#beta-ptr-spoilers

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clear apex
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I know there's a ponytail but has no bangs

silent urchin
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looks like it's Dynamite

iron hare
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they're all great but this one looks rlly fun in particular

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the goblin theme is really allowing blizz to go all out

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also screw gnome raids, what we really need is a tauren raid

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i think mr smite and that boss in dragon soul are the only tauren bosses

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oh and baine

upper pasture
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wasn't there that other tauren boss in vault?

clear apex
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I think a big Tauren themed expac or even large patch would be great

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*yes i know we have high mountain zone, but i want more

iron hare
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Ahn'she yk

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Elune/ahn'she

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Light dark vibe

iron hare
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the class storys was peak

harsh mason
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And you know, the Sith Lord was just a GOAT, but I would cut jedi consular out of the game.🗿

harsh mason
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But I would like to see a companion system, like in swtor, in wow.

rain cave
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Even if its just minor 2% buffs and utility

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And ofc option to have them invisible

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But I think it's too much for a permanent system

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Would have to be a patch theme and therfore wouldn't be battle pets probably

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But if they added mini pets as a patch feature to test it? And it got good responses?

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Could be cool

ember blaze
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why stop there, add bonuses for mounts. 5% crit for having invincible .

sullen dawn
rain cave
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I get the argument of tying player power to a cosmetic thing and how you're both doing a bit of a meme/ pisstake

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but the original point is just to try and make battle pets more relevant somehow

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and even then doesn't have to be a battle pet :P

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because while hunters are "the pet class" I think people would enjoy having a little wolf pup, or whatever with them combat

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barely doing any damage but maybe giving you a small speed boost or a small shield

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they'd have to try it out in a patch though for sure. Like DRIVE.

But yeah just image some of the player power that goes into a patch mechanic like the tier sets, the siren ring, netherlight crucible, corruptions

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but instead it's just coming from a lil guy who follows you around in combat

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could even attach things like gathering utility to it

sullen dawn
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On the topic of battle pets, having he option to make them the double size (using the biscuit thing) by default and having them not disappear on death would be nice

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Some of the pets are cool at double size and look more like companions than collectible toys

deep pawn
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I really feel like Blizzard has been quieter than normal this ptr.

ember blaze
molten niche
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just give me a pet that loots for me lol.

deep pawn
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Was there a vendor build yesterday?

silent urchin
upper pasture
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Any day now for the 2 week warning don’t yall think? I’m guess probably one more week maybe 2 at tops

silent urchin
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I'm expecting 25th feb or later, so still got a while

deep pawn
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There's 6+ weeks of m+ testing

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18th is possible but very unlikely I feel because of TGP.

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25th has been my expected date for a while

upper pasture
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Is there really? I haven’t kept up with the testing dates, it just feels with sirens isle reaching the end of its run they will want to announce the next thing soon

deep pawn
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This week is the week when you finally cap out the raid buff. 4 weeks of that doesn't feel crazy

twilit coral
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Thoughts on this possible roadmap?

tropic trail
thin warren
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Cool!

crude sigil
twilit coral
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No

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Fake

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BUT

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We can dream

silent urchin
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it's definitely real, their marketing team definitely prepares these 6 months in advance, and leak plot details of the entire next expansion

tropic trail
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New raid “stars fate” 😳

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Woot

jade basalt
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"Hertiage Armor"

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Must be a new feature

zealous sedge
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looks pretty official. Order Hall Updates = Preparing for a return of Class Order Halls from Legion in The Last Titan?

lone mantle
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The content feels too sparse and stretched out over the entire timeframe, making it seem unconvincing.

tropic trail
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Yea something wrong

zealous sedge
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Perhaps... based on this Midnight is looking like it could be 7-8 months after 11.2 Feels long

tropic trail
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Harranir allied race, no ethereals

zealous sedge
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Hollows as the new "Delve" theme seems semi fake

lone mantle
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It is worth noting that we have not yet reached Season 2, yet it is indicated that we are already past Season 3.

zealous sedge
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also tbh looking at it more the background image for Midnight looks like old concept art for silvermoon. I would have expected new concept art and maybe some more ominous void asthetic

tropic trail
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Yea 😂

zealous sedge
silent urchin
lone mantle
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This would imply that Season 2 would span an entire year.

zealous sedge
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also D.R.I.V.E Worldwide? Not sure how that fits. Unless its like a competition

tropic trail
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Not gonna lie

zealous sedge
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Would it? It says season launch in Summer 2025. we are predicting season 2 launch in late Feb. So thats like 4-6 months. However, I think it does imply Season 3 would be like 8 months

lone mantle
zealous sedge
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right no I hear that. Im only going off assuming this is contiunation of the 2025 road map.

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lone mantle
zealous sedge
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okay the biggest thing that has me highly skeptical is how they have names for all the patches. They usually don't have that solidifed. Unless its just a change in direction brought about by Metzen

ember blaze
zealous sedge
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yes.

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Sea's Reach is just a carbon copy name of Siren Isle

lone mantle
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All that I saw.... came to me in colors... lasted for a moment, worlds remain unspoken. salt

ember blaze
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all i want for christmas is playable ethereals with a bard spec

zealous sedge
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can etherals play instruments?

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or can they turn their body into an instrument

tropic trail
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Bandage at will 😂

ember blaze
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brightpaw yall are onto something

lone mantle
silent urchin
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realms still up.. probably no build today

sullen dawn
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Ethereal tinker 😄

uncut vault
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we usually don't get patch details until the day they're revealed, let alone a full year and a half in advance spoiling the whole xpac

zealous sedge
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I looked at the original post on Instagram and the person who posted said this was fan made 🤦‍♂️

dense plover
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i mean, that was clear from the get go

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its way too detailed and way too long

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also revealing first major patch before expac launch is a bad idea

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takes all of the thunder out of speculation and lore interest

tulip sun
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I appreciate the dedication to it tho

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Its looks nice

deep pawn
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Early September for Season 3 isn't a stretch by any imagination.

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I highly doubt they'd plan season rewards refreshes TWICE like that too.

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Also, there's no damn way we go to Quel'thalas without a troll raid

rain cave
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petition to add googly eyes as a customisation option if ethereals become playable

harsh mason
lone mantle
sullen dawn
tropic trail
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I saw there is season 2 ptr 👀

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Somewhere on raider io

harsh mason
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🗿?

harsh mason
tropic trail
iron hare
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not the leak but thats how the story is going to go

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"the necropolis" is a perfect name for a voidy ghost theme zul aman raid

silent urchin
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I guess no build today either if there's raid testing happening

harsh mason
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Today is the raid test for the previous week, so yes

deep pawn
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still a chance for after raid testing

sullen dawn
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Not that part, the fake leak in general

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I don't think end of TWW would be emerald dream 2.0 and in midnight I don't think they'd have us go to Isle of quel for the first patch zone since it'd be too samey to silver moon and quel thanas proper in base expansion

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Plus nathrazim seems like a weird way to finish midnight

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Some of the smaller patches seem pretty much copies of TWW too

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But it's not a bad "rough structure" of where we're going

ionic terrace
deep pawn
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Roothome is totally different to the dream to me.

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It'll be more wild, more decay

iron hare
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Yeah roothome isn't like emerald dream

deep pawn
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Also we are gonna end this expansion going down. Roothome is the only thread that makes sense.

iron hare
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Crystal cavers with dinasours and fungus with thorns and fiery red flowers

deep pawn
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Plus the black blood

iron hare
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Imo harranir are og elves, it makes too much sense

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Perfect tie into midnight having tww having primordial elves

deep pawn
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I also don't see Naga being a late expansion allied race. Naga would be the selling point

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I do think the ruins of the Ethereal homeworld being inside the void makes absolute sense.

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I still believe first patch is securing Quel thalas. second patch is securing the Sunwell which is a portal and last patch we enter the void and do stuff there

iron hare
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I think there just has to be a Amani raid

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They were in the hunt for xal atath quest tww pre patch

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Blizz remembers them

deep pawn
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I rather not have them all be dead either. Vol'jin's story has to continue soon

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And I can see them use trolls as "Elf enough" for unity

upper pasture
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Yeah, Vol’jin is a favorite character of mine. Im patiently waiting for what they have planned for him

uncut vault
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Amani involvement doesn't inherently need to mean a raid

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I think it's more likely that they'll be akin to the Hallowfall Arathi: third zone that's adjacent to the "main hub" zones, with a faction split in the story that we deal with during leveling and side stories

deep pawn
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It's mostly a joke about how much they love troll raids and snuck in so many even when they didn't always make sense.

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come on Blizzard, give us some notes.

rain cave
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/j

rain cave
deep pawn
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guess they'll try and update early tomorrow before raid testing

zealous sedge
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Are we gonna see the worldcore for 11.2? Or do you think they are gonna save that reveal until the last titan?

deep pawn
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We've already seen it unless you mean the machinery and all

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I think we see some of it this expansion.

zealous sedge
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yeah like machinery.. also part of 11.2 raid potentially

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like i wanna see the World Soul in its natural state in game

golden wyvern
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Now ptr offline!??

deep pawn
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has been

golden wyvern
deep pawn
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It's a testing environment, uptime is not consistent. Should be back up sometime in the morning

golden wyvern
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Thx

deep pawn
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I am suprised they took the servers down and then didn't push a build. They don't have a ton of time in the morning without delaying raid testing

deep pawn
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that said, Kaivax is working late as hell

harsh mason
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They also said that they have thoughts about not public raid tests at all.

silent urchin
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PTR build!

sullen dawn
silent urchin
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size can be very misleading

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new title, neat

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support for intel upscaling stuff or whatever that actually is, neat for anyone on intel cards

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harsh mason
thin warren
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Nice portrait

clear apex
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Wonder if that's a custom design for our goblin apartment

glass flicker
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Where's the cigar, Blizzard? You cowards.

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It's literally just this. So, where's the cigar?

thin warren
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Maybe he wanted to do it without!

glass flicker
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But there's still the gap between his fingers.

thin warren
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I just see a hand

glass flicker
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😐

thin warren
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i mean, i don't see anything wrong with it, it's a bit spread open

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not like "hey, there is something missing"

glass flicker
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There's definitely something missing.

thin warren
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😄 haha ok

clear apex
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That's just how hands usually look when you hold it that way

tropic trail
glass flicker
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Ah so he's out! xD

deep pawn
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Lots of tier tuning.

deep pawn
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The zone preview feels a little early but if we're 4 weeks from patch date one feature post a week lines up.

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Next is probably a D.R.I.V.E. overview.

warm topaz
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i didn't know where to post this

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new music is always hype!

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i think this track is not new tho, iirc Russell doesn't work with Blizzard anymore

meager warren
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When undead droods

meager warren
warm topaz
ember blaze
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are they gonna test it on classic too? 💀

silent urchin
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No, the clients all just come from the same base code

silent urchin
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... new build

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wonder if it's just client fixes cause the previous one was a bit iffy

harsh mason
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Do you think the system will work in WoW like in swtor, when the player is down lvl for old locations so that it always actual?

upper pasture
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huh?

harsh mason
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For example, if you come at the maximum level, you come to a location that is limited to 10 lvl, then your stats decrease to 10 lvl. Some tasks in wow require, for example, not to kill mobs, but to take down their HP to 30% (in order to use something on them later), but you just 1shot them.

deep pawn
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I doubt they'll do that

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Given they just literally made timewalking scale to max level vs scale you down

ember blaze
upper pasture
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there are also toys that can be used to keep things alive too, works great for those quests, not so much instanced stuff but world quests works like a charm

fiery silo
deep pawn
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I feel like a doofus. I've been saying the TGP finals are the 23rd for a while now. I don't know how I thought it was a week later.

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Patch could absolutely happen on the 18th.

deep pawn
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Look at that smile.

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sleek solar
harsh mason
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Mug'zee looks wild in the myth. Here, even with the 15% bonus to hp / damage, average statics will have difficulty with his ability.

frigid yoke
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When the raid will turn on?

harsh mason
frigid yoke
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right now raid off

thin warren
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any changes on Undermined yet? probability of release?

dense plover
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Expect 11.2 around then

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And new ptr probably tomorrow not today

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They don’t do Monday builds typically

thin warren
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plunderstorm has no end yet!

uncut vault
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It ends February 18th atm, which is the earliest speculated date for the patch release

deep pawn
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18th is also the end of the scheduled m+ testing

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But they left room for more time.

harsh mason
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Damn, Blackfuse would be perfect as a boss for Undermine right now.

deep pawn
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Hopefully we get some news at 1 today.

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I'm expecting a drive preview this week.

warm topaz
upper pasture
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new mount score requirement went up to 3k

silent urchin
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scaling changes give you 1-2 extra levels for free, though, depending on M0 baseline

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and no guile

deep pawn
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3k Holy cow

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Champ loot from m0 on a weekly lockout is what it should have always been

ionic terrace
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Solar Festival?

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silent urchin
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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-mythic-testing-january-28th-february-4th/2052196

World of Warcraft Forums
Feedback: Mythic+ Testing January 28th - February 4th

The War Within Season 2 dungeon testing begins on PTR today. The test period starts on Tuesday January 28th at 14:00 PDT (17:00 EDT, 23:00 CEST), and ends Tuesday February 4th at 10:00 PDT (13:00 EDT, 20:00 CEST). Please note that the test period may be adjusted in the event of technical difficulties. This week’s dungeon pool focus is on The Wa...

ionic terrace
deep pawn
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I wager High Elves still followed it to some extent.

silent urchin
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ptr is offline, presumably build coming

harsh mason
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By the way, it’s seems this is the first exp since the cata, which added ancestral spirits for this holiday.

upper pasture
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they added some in DF no?

silent urchin
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they did

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it's a round 100 now from elders

upper pasture
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102 if ATTs isn’t lying lol

deep pawn
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give patch notes

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watch server be down all night again like last week

ionic terrace
silent urchin
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Kinda light

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especially for rogue which still has a fuck load of bugs

ionic terrace
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bild out

silent urchin
silent urchin
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oh they finally fixed the season refresher quest for delves and you can see how brann lost his hat in a little scenario

silent urchin
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can get the quest for underpin but can't enter his delve yet, shame

deep pawn
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We might be 2 builds from launch so small changes are to be expected I think

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Next week could be release candidate and they swap to just hotfixes

deep pawn
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though apparently RWF teams are booking hotels for the first week of March

silent urchin
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Not sure they know anything more than the rest of us, tbh

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they definitely have a lot of people able to make educated guesses

deep pawn
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And some connections who may give a heads-up

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Probably still guessing more than knowing and the orgs can likely float the money to change reservations if off a week

upper pasture
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Well that and usually you can cancel hotel bookings as no cost if you booked too soon

deep pawn
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But too late is harder haha

ember blaze
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they always get info before any of us know

silent urchin
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Maybe they confirm the target date, but it doesn't take that much to have a very educated guess for it. I'm pretty sure the public announcement is right after they lock it in internally, they're not actually sitting on that for long. Whatever they tell RWF guilds this far out could always be delayed a week or possibly two

glass flicker
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Blizzard, please revert this.

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I'm all for new animations and visual effects, but this ain't it muchachos.

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It makes me want to spec out of Warbreaker just because the animation is so screen-cluttery and unnecessary.

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You want flashiness and eye candy, play a damn paladin. Let arms warriors be the simple ones who hit hard.

harsh mason
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Are you sure you're writing in the right place?

glass flicker
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Point me to where Blizzard itself will hear me and I'll go there.

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I'm just a nobody complaining about nothing, pay me no mind.

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Just don't want them to butcher my main spec with nonsense visual clutter.

harsh mason
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Well, that's your opinion, they can hear it, but to do as you ask (and even in the PTR channel on wowhead) is about 0.01% chance

glass flicker
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Hey, nothing gets changed if no one talks about it, right?

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I'd rather be the one crying and moaning about "bad animation bad" than be silent and hate every second of it.

harsh mason
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But the animation is not bad. It's just that you personally don't like it. Therefore, they can change it if it is a mass complaint, but this is not the case. So far it looks like a cry of despair. Because once again: this is not the channel to write to, so you didn't write to Blizzard to be heard, but to be heard by other people)

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You could have written it where blizzard employees are, but you wrote it here. Conclusion: you have a different goal.

glass flicker
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Ah yes! What a brilliant psychoanalysis.

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Miss me with that first year psychology student BS. I just don't like an animation for being screen clutter.

ember blaze
glass flicker
ember blaze
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they could add something like smashing the ground like that plunderstorm ability

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but conjuring weapons out of nowhere like a mage? 💀

glass flicker
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How about a wave of fire to show how truly destructive your stomp is?

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Or even lightning. Stomp some fear into the kinetic field as it rips itself apart with pure energy.

ember blaze
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yeah just weird what got approved…

glass flicker
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Or even, and this is my favorite idea: huge friggin' blood splatter on the floor, the size of the AoE.

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"But the game is PG-13!"

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Shut up.

harsh mason
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🗿

sullen dawn
harsh mason
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The point is not that, but that the was literally addressing Blizzard here, which looks strange

sullen dawn
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I'm just pointing out that you were wrong to say it was just him who didn't like it and there wasn't a mass negative reaction

sullen dawn
glass flicker
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"What do you mean you're shaking your fist, screaming at clouds? That's provoking Zeus!"

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That's the vibe I got, at least.

harsh mason
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Once again, I'm not arguing with what people should like or shouldn't like. The point here is that you've reached out to Blizzard here. They're not here. If you really care, then write to them. As it was, it just looked like a show-off.

glass flicker
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Right. Just tell me when you're gonna stop reading so far into it.

tropic trail
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A bit feels like shaman animation. Can’t complain though, I never play melee. Haha 😂

glass flicker
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I just wish warriors had more animations involving blood. A splatter of blood here from Mortal Strike, a splash of blood there from Colossus Smash...

sullen dawn
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And the slayer hero spec

glass flicker
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Glyph of the Bloodwake Berserker, turns your weapon trails bloody.

rain cave
glass flicker
rain cave
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I understand why they gave it gave it the new animation but I think it only needs to shield breaking at the top

glass flicker
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:D

rain cave
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The weapons hitting the other targets look silly because why is it doing that

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Like the 3 swords or axes whatever they are that fall down after the shield

glass flicker
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Yeah. At least have a clearer shockwave to see the AoE properly.

rain cave
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I think those are just clutter an don't sit the theme

glass flicker
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Regal Roar from Elden Ring comes to mind.

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Just keep the jump and stomp, but add a shockwave effect like this.

glass flicker
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Those axes slamming down should be some hero talent, if anything. Or even a glyph.

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Maybe when Warbreaker crits.

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Warriors already got a crit-only glyph with Execute summoning a murder of ravens.

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Give us more glyphs, Blizzard.

ivory meadow
glass flicker
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Yes! 100% agreed.

deep pawn
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There's the drive preview

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I wonder what they can do next week. The dungeon?

ember blaze
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sorry it's taken

ivory meadow
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Which is why I said, "more akin to"

ember blaze
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sec

ember blaze
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leave it to blizz to make good ideas but not use them well

ivory meadow
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Not like they couldn't reuse it but there are other vfxs they could use similar to that one.

glass flicker
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I really don't see the problem with the current animations though. Especially Warbreaker. Sure, it's two animations in one, but it's not like they can't just re-use Thunderclap's stomp with a new visual effect.

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Or even, give Execute a new animation again, and give Warbreaker the animation Execute currently has, with a ground smash visual effect.

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Kinda like Demolish, but only the final part of the animation.

clear apex
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I don't think I'd have noticed the new hunter animations.

upper pasture
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That because they aren’t live yet?

clear apex
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Yup. But don't think id have noticed.

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They're very samey

upper pasture
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some are actual changes some are minor touch ups

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like barbed shot is pretty noticeable, where counter shot and the movement speed lines are very very minor

clear apex
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Just please don't touch ret paladin. I love their animations as they are

upper pasture
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i mean ret did just get a bunch of changes in DF so....you know according to the notes....yup they are overdue for another change would you look at that.

clear apex
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Noooo

glass flicker
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I just don't want WoW to be full of visual clutter. Just look at M+ and how awful the mechanics are to look at there.

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At least keep the physical DPS classes simple.

clear apex
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I turn off most spells because of that

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I dont need to see everyone's

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Overwhelms me and i get confused sometimes if I'm looking at friendly spells or enemy spells

pulsar minnow
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Correct me if I’m wrong, Templars verdict still uses the same magic overhead hammer from like MoP. And hammer of wrath might as well not even exist

naive galleon
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Anyone know how dinars work from the new raid renown?

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As in does every toon get a dinar once they unlock since the renown is account wide?

austere gazelle
harsh mason
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I think that you should not worry about the dinars at the exit of the raid, in any case, we will get access to them when the raid has already been delivered to a non-farm (I'm not talking about the mythic version).

harsh mason
austere gazelle
austere gazelle
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Dinar-purchased items will have their own separate upgrade track with 14 ranks and will cap at Myth 6/6 item level (678)```
ok found the information, works like Dragonflight S4
deep pawn
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It's super late in the season

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They honestly should bump them up a month or two

naive galleon
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I’m just curious how you get the dinars since it’s an account wide system

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Late is fine - mostly curious for transmog purposes

upper pasture
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i don't think it's gonna be that late for most people who want them 17/19 didn't take all that long to reach for the first set of reps.

naive galleon
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I think right now it’s capped at 1 renown per week which is pretty slow

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I’m willing to bet they change it before launch or soon after

deep pawn
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It's one renown a week, so week 15 of the season

uncut vault
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Just a quest that unlocks on the quartermaster once you reach that renown, that can be done on all characters

naive galleon
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That would be pretty dope for gearing up alts and transmog

harsh mason
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Considering that, in fact, dinars give players a mythical-level item.

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So the dinars are meant as just an additional bonus, and not the main source of gear

deep pawn
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4 months in? Most people finish their goals and quit 2 months in

upper pasture
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honestly i'm most excited for the cosmetic dinars. i hope the system will be doable on all characters and not just one per warband.

deep pawn
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cosmetics are usually once per warband

upper pasture
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yes but these are coins from the renown track so we shall see, it's literally the same as the mythic track dinar except they specifically say these are for cosmetic raid appearances

deep pawn
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you got those coins from all 4 11.0 reps

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they were once

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the rest of the items were buyable with resonance crystals after you ran out of freebies

upper pasture
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no, you didn't. these are specifically DIFFERENT because the earth encrusted gems weren't raid cosmetics

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these are a seemlying new system to let people get raid appearances even after the raid is old.

deep pawn
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they're close enough to be the same mechanic

upper pasture
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if it was the same system why would they even bother explaining it and not mention you can buy them with resonance crystals after you depleted your dinars?

deep pawn
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Blizzard has tried to be consistent with warbands. Cosmetic rewards are either once per account or reduced on secondary characters in terms of currency.

upper pasture
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because it is a test for letting people get raid cosmetics. you get two per character plus a chance at more each week from the one boss that drops them. (and hopefully 2 per each alt)

deep pawn
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You haven't noticed your alts don't get as much flame blessed iron from the quests on Siren Isle?

upper pasture
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yes? my alts weren't limited on S4 dinar coins

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flame blessed iron can be tied to actual player upgrades. hence the reduced amount on repeating it after the first time each week.

deep pawn
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that was power with an off ramp for pure cosmetics if you wanted,

upper pasture
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cosmetic reward, no player power

deep pawn
upper pasture
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timewarped badges also losely tied to player upgrades if you need that gear.

deep pawn
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Maybe you're right, but my assumption is cosmetics from the quest will be just once, your alts will have the chance at the drops.

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alts don't re get the renown cosmetics either, they get a paltry amount of resonance crystals.

upper pasture
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you know what happens when you assume. i hope i am right. which is why i said i was excited for this new system

upper pasture
deep pawn
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There's more sets than you get gems

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no, since this is a purely cosmetic system I doubt they'll reward players with alts with a ton of extra chips for no cost

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alts just give you more chances to loot them off the 6th boss.

upper pasture
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we will see.

glass flicker
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I hope we get more purely cosmetic stuff like the Earthen got for just creating a character.

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It even works on regular and dark iron dwarves.

uncut vault
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We can expect plenty of that for belfs/velfs in midnight, if nothing else lol

glass flicker
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Fingers crossed.

little hound
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Gotta say i agree with @deep pawn on this one. @upper pasture coping hard on this one.

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Sounds stupid of this system if it was to give alts a «Main Treatment». Never has been, and probably never will. Although feel free to copium ofc.

upper pasture
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Yall out here crazy, I’m just hopeful that a cosmetic system is gonna work in favor of having more alts. Why would blizzard care if you get two more “free” cosmetics, you had to put in the work to level them to max level either way.

And yes it’s “copium” which is why I said “I hope”

clear apex
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Cosmetic has been once per account lately.

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Like you could get the cosmetic item again but it would be a waste.
Alts can learn appearances so you don't need to farm it on other alts.

Why is that copium or did i misunderstand

upper pasture
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Not everything, just a lot. Earthn encrusted as previously mentioned wasn’t (atleast at first) but dinars from S4 of DF which functions literally identically to this new coin wasn’t

upper pasture
clear apex
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Well i more side with how you want it. Why give it again?

upper pasture
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The coin, the two coins you earn from the raid rep

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You can use those to buy “any raid cosmetics”

clear apex
upper pasture
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Because they were using other transmogs as an example? Like other ones like the rep shoulders/cape/head(?) they said “they don’t give the other rep cosmetics twice why would they give the currency one two?”

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I just think with a system to give us coins to buy 2 of possibly hundreds of mogs it’s…kinda meh if you get to pick two per your whole account

deep pawn
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To be fair it's only weapons on the vendor per the blue post

upper pasture
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oh huh, it does say weapons. well either way it's still like what a hundred choices and you can only pick two? unless you get lucky from the one boss that might drop an additional one?

glass flicker
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To switch topics from transmogs for a moment, I hope they'll just replace the current hair color system with a color wheel, so you can choose any color, any shade, any gradient.

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(Mostly 'cause one particular person in my group chat wants a red-haired night elf and that seems awesome to me.)

clear apex
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That would be really nice

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Id like more colors for pretty much every race. Especially draenei

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They should give each race as much customization as dracthyr

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I'm upset undead can't have eyebrow options

glass flicker
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Orcs don't have eyebrows, either. Except for Thrall.

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While at it, troll beards please.

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Also, can we have separate eyebrow colors, please?

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I want my platinum-haired human to have black eyebrows like depicted in commissioned arts.

deep pawn
glass flicker
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Yeah, but it can't hurt to hope. Though, knowing Blizzard, such a change would break the game. Forty unique hair colors in one area?

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I remember when adding four more slots to the default bag almost broke the game.

clear apex
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They've shown they can do it, I'm just unsure why they shafted other races

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There are still a pitiful amount of customization for some

glass flicker
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I mean, consider that the game is twenty years old and humans don't have braids.

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They gave Dracthyr braids, and they use the human skeleton and rigging. But ye olde humans? No way.

upper pasture
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i think alot of it could be chalked up to "they are just waiting for whatever happens after TLT"

rain cave
glass flicker
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I don't know what TLT is.

rain cave
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sure manually do it where it matters but a lot of recolours are just gradient map swaps baked to a different texture

rain cave
glass flicker
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Wish we didn't have abbreviations sometimes.

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Anyways, if The Last Titan is the end of this trilogy of cosmic stuff, it makes sense that what comes after might have more to do with the old world, and bringing attention to older races.

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Forget adding new continents and area. Show me how the world has changed since Cata.

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Show me Duskwood lifted of Medivh's curse, back to being Brightwood. Show me Felwood without the fel. Show me a healthy Desolace.

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I think Midnight and The Last Titan are a step forward into making the old world feel like it's lived in.

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More of that.

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Please, no more new continents.

rain cave
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It's generally thought that after last titan there's going to be some comprehensive rework or rethinking of the game

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the areas and extent? who knows

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I think we're at the stage where they could start using all the old areas for patches with smaller stories

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and I reckon there can be a good narrative reason as to why we go to smaller scales again

glass flicker
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I'm down for the expansion following The Last Titan to be one of recovery. Just go through the old world, deal with town level things. No more cosmic villains, no more "destroy all life" type of threats.

rain cave
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Azeroth wakes up and goes off into the cosmos, the hinted "connection" that the champions have that has let us tackle gods fades away as she leaves

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then if we ever need to do cosmic stuff again they have a narrative framework to bring that power back, but it also then allows them to do small scale stories normally without people crying powerscaling

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personally I'd love to see them bring us back to outland

glass flicker
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Maybe later. The expansion after the one following The Last Titan.

rain cave
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yeah that's what I mean

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could be nice for them to do one of those expedition style factions we've had past 2 expansions, but it's all primarily draenor races

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so we get draenei and orcs rebuilding outland together

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or making that story focused on stabilizing outland, maybe trying to drag it out of the twisting nether

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since atm it's in a state of decay

glass flicker
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I'm down for that, but first, let's heal our own planet.

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Like I said, remake Duskwood into Brightwood. I can already think of two delves just in this area.
Crypt of Morbent Fel and Abercombe's Catacombs, both dealing with undead enemies.

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There's also Deadwind Pass nearby if you need an extension for more possibilities.

rain cave
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delves do feel quite fitting for oldworld stuff tbf

glass flicker
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Yeah!

rain cave
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kharazan crypts

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even going into stranglethorn you have some caves around, trolls, gorillas, goblin co.s, pirates

glass flicker
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Karazhan Crypts would be better suited for a dungeon full of artifact callbacks and Dark Riders.

rain cave
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meanwhile on the opposite continent, feralas has diremaul

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and all that old highborne city stuff

glass flicker
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Not to mention you got the possibility for a Violet Hold-type dungeon involving both Feralas and Duskwood in this context, with their dream gates.

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Not that anyone likes Violet Hold...

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Or Black Morass, even better. Enemies assault the portals, you defend 'em.

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I mostly bring up Duskwood because it's my primary RP zone. I still want more of the old world opened up to new content.

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And delves are just the perfect system.

ember blaze
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i hope we abandon the current world instead and start fresh

glass flicker
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And where would we go?

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Outland can't sustain all life on Azeroth for long. Draenor is out of the question since it's a separate timeline. Argus? Be serious. K'aresh? You must be joking.

deep pawn
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You get a distinct feeling that a lot of the universe is dead now

glass flicker
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If this is anything to go about.

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(Screenshot from Antorus)

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A lot of this solar system is just void-corrupted.

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Yes. Solar system. Argus and Azeroth were close to each other at this point.

upper pasture
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i mean, that's just sorta how space looks

rain cave
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since the timeline we're on, even though it isn't the "golden" one. It WAS the golden one for a while, which was all the titans doing

glass flicker
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That would branch the timeline in two, and we'd no longer be on the original, or true timeline.

rain cave
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not completely out of the question that we basically get to relive the universe if the titans or other cosmic forces weren't so dominant

glass flicker
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Going into the past doesn't change the future. Just look at WoD.

rain cave
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WoD isn't going into the past it's a seperate timeline

glass flicker
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Exactly.

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So would be trying to fix our Azeroth.

rain cave
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we already know azeroth can remake the universe

glass flicker
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Do any of the Caverns of Time dungeons.

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None affect our timeline.

rain cave
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all the caverns of time dungeons are canonically what happen in our universe

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just that everyones memories are erased back to the original event

glass flicker
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And we help cause that so other timelines don't get messed and tangled up.

rain cave
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the reason WoD was different was because it was specifically an alternate timeline tapped into

glass flicker
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Remember? We help Arthas cull Stratholme.

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We help Medivh summon the Horde.

rain cave
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yeah but if it wasn't part of the golden timeline why would the bronze help

glass flicker
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Just so history doesn't change in other separate timelines.

glass flicker
rain cave
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caverns of time is our timeline

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the bronzes job is to ensure things happen "according to plan" in the main timeline

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but the rules of time travel are not set in stone

glass flicker
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Not really. They are tasked with safeguarding all timelines and ensuring that ours, the original, goes as planned.

rain cave
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because it's a soft magic system

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our current timeline is influenced by our travel within it

glass flicker
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That's why End Time was such a big deal.

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It was not supposed to happen. It drifted too far from the original plan.

rain cave
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See getting the Dragon Soul from the well of eternity, See dawn of the infinite, see deaths of chromie, see elisande fight, see the Nzoth black empire scenario in DF

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those are examples of where we've travelled back or forward in time to moments on our own timeline, and have had significant impact on the main timeline as well

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but yeah you don't even need time travel necessarily

glass flicker
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"Time is a tangled web." or something.

rain cave
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Azeroth has reality altering/warping powers and seemingly can alter the fabric of the universe if the Jailer's plan is to be believed

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If Azeroth is in danger, and realizes things didn't go properly

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she could literally just "remake" the entire thing with differences

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even if it's largely the same

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and it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they take us to that

glass flicker
rain cave
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but it's a bit big cosmic timey wimey so

glass flicker
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Oh God oh gee oh gelato, I wonder why Azeroth is depicted as "reality."

rain cave
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they've been teasing Azeroth being the corner stone of reality for ages even down to the name :P

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just a matter of how deep they go into that lore after Shadowlands

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but imo I think that a narrative beat of "the balance is all messed up" because the cycle of life/death is controlled by order, if life breaks free it's deadly, no sargeras so chaos is diminished, if we beat the void lords nothing is in place to stop the light, etc

glass flicker
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I think what they're trying to push is that an excess of anything is a bad thing.

rain cave
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followed by Azeroth trying to do a "soft reset" of things, then the story from then on becomes "defend reality, don't destroy/dismantle the forces" instead of taking down gods routinely

glass flicker
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Light zealotry, Void fanaticism, they're both bad in excess.

rain cave
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so yes we have old gods, yes we have burning legion, etc. But they get to have the big cosmic bads again in the background

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instead of us slaying them as a narrative need

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because once you kill all the gods what's left for the story

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I'm sure they have a plan in mind, regardless of what it is

glass flicker
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And that's why I'd rather do an expansion similar to MoP again, except in the old world. Send troops to help zones affected by whatever happened in the past twenty years and see how things changed.

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The Night Watch of Duskwood have turned out to all be Legion Cultists. How's Duskwood these days?

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Vanessa VanCleef got a girlfriend and moved to Westfall. How's she these days?

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Give us smaller local stories. I'm tired and bored of the cosmic BS.

upper pasture
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i mean, they touched on her in the human armor stuff no? it would make sense to flesh these stories out more

glass flicker
upper pasture
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but unfortunately telling local stories instead of "become powerful and kill a god" doesn't sell as well.

glass flicker
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I get why, David and Goliath, all that.

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But... we always win.

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Aren't we technically the oppressors?

upper pasture
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we aren't winning now or in midnight

glass flicker
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Better not. Though Xal'atath lost some credibility, in my eyes, when she monologued at Alleria while on the losing side.

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And then Alleria broke her lil' trinket and she freaked out.

upper pasture
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Chris already told us we are losing

glass flicker
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I just don't get why Xal'atath chose this moment to have a "I've already won" monologue.

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At this point, the Nerubians were losing/lost, the Dark Arathi had fallen, and Zekvir at that point was dead.
Xal'atath showed no indication of winning aside from the start with Dalaran.

upper pasture
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i feel like the Nerubians were always meant to lose. when they die we are spreading their black blood everywhere we kill them

glass flicker
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And she friggin' monologues at Alleria. The gall.

glass flicker
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Not a bad thought if that's the idea.

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But somehow I doubt it.

upper pasture
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tbf, the void sees all paths so she probably just sees a path with the soul thingy being cracked and she still wins.

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the IS the idea

glass flicker
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Ok, so why are you so angry that she broke it?

upper pasture
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alleria even saw in during that questline. she realizes that we are literally just spreading the blood everywhere

glass flicker
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I gotcha, so, just don't kill anymore. Spare and imprison.

upper pasture
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no, i think it was more "quit killing the minions and head for the head of the snake instead"

glass flicker
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Put all corrupted Nerubians in a glass box and starve them to death so no blood is shed anywhere.

uncut vault
glass flicker
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Yeah, it's a heavy case of narrative dissonance.

uncut vault
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the point is that Xal'atath was extremely arrogant in her own invulnerability, and her belief that mortals would act exactly like Alleria had been acting the whole campaign

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she wasnt privy to the growth Alleria had since their last encounter, so she assumed that the arrow was aiming at her, and it'd be yet another moment of Alleria failing to do anything useful

glass flicker
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Even more annoying is that Xal'atath had blown the bow out of her hands before, yet doesn't do a thing to stop her the second time.

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C'mon Xal'adummy. You're smarter than this.

uncut vault
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She's... not, again that's the point of the story lol

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she doesn't have the insight to understand Alleria's personal development

glass flicker
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I'm just saying, she had an arrow pointed at her and didn't even try to stop it when she had before.

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And then Alleria said "I'm not aiming at you."

uncut vault
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Yes, and then Xal'atath barely reacted in time to prevent the Dark Heart from being completely destroyed

glass flicker
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Yeah, not a fan of this story.

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Xal'atath made a mistake that she did not make the first time around.

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How does a character get dumber?

uncut vault
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I don't think you're really understanding it

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she's making the exact same moves every time she encounters Alleria

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and explicitly explains why to Alleria in the hallowfall cinematic

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Xal'atath was goading Alleria into pursuing her vengeance the entire expansion, and it was working

glass flicker
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I understand that Xal'atath is stagnant and Alleria is able to learn and develop. But that scene just feels like a recession in Xal'atath's intellect.

uncut vault
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Xal'atath had no reason to think Alleria would pursue anything else, because Alleria hasn't gotten any vengeance yet

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And now she does, so she's clearly going to handle Alleria differently going forward

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having a villain actually make mistakes and change in response to the protagonists is a much better story than her being yet another BfA Sylvanas or Jailer kind of villain where they just smirk their way through the plot until the final encounter demands they lose all their magical foresight

glass flicker
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Honestly, after the glory of Denathrius, I'm just kind of tired of charismatic charlatans as main villains.

uncut vault
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Xal'atath isn't omniscient, she's acting on her arrogant opinion of mortal emotions, and it bit her in the ass for the first time

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so now we're hopefully going to see her adapt as a result, and interact with us differently

glass flicker
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Xal'atath is yet another smirking villain, it's getting exhausting.

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I would be far more forgiving if she made these tactical mistakes on purpose, just to incite violence. Make the champions accidentally absorb black blood through combat, potentially driving them insane, making them turn on their allies. Big ol' moshpit, everyone is involved, no one is spared.

uncut vault
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that's... exactly what was happening?

glass flicker
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But no. Xal'atath directly calls us out on how violent we are. That's not her plan. She belittles us on it.

uncut vault
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And that's why Alleria's story is important

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Alleria was able to realize what was happening and put her need for vengeance to figure out what Xal'atath was actually up to

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that's what the scene with turalyon is for

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the whole throughline of "This isnt the real fight" is Alleria realizing that the nerubians and the black blood never mattered, they were all distractions to tear us apart

glass flicker
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Either Xal'atath's plan is Zovaal levels of dumb, or it's a story so complicated that I can't get my head around it.

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Which pick do you hate more?

uncut vault
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it's not really complicated at all, it's pretty clearly spelled out, and explained why it's hit a hitch in this moment

upper pasture
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i think it's more of you haven't seen the whole story so you are judging it before it's over

uncut vault
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there's a big light-based society guarding the big crystal she wants to draw power from

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she needs them out of the way, so she beefs up the nerubians to take them out

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the result of the fight, whether we got involved with the Arathi or not, was the black blood infecting all of us and having us tear each other apart while she drained Beledar (for currently unknown reasons)

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we stopped her, but the dark heart is still intact, so she needs it repaired, leading into 11.1

glass flicker
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Side quests were great though.

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I liked The War Within's side quests.

uncut vault
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TWW is basically the first time since Legion where we aren't just being dragged along by the whims of a villain, the protagonists actually have pushback and drive the plot forward

glass flicker
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Also, the quests where we're all just chilling in the tavern, telling stories, playing board games? Yeah, can we have more of that, too?
Let these people rest a bit, Blizz. It's either standing around aimlessly in one area, or fighting for their lives.

uncut vault
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It's definitely not perfect, it's super rushed and the Dalaran intro is very convoluted, but it's got the proper framework to set up future stories without being another repeated "wait and see" each patch

glass flicker
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Seriously, playing a board game with Anduin and Faerin has been the highlight of TWW for me.

upper pasture
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to each their own

glass flicker
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We didn't even get a patch to mourn him?

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That win didn't feel earned. It's like he never disappeared at all.

upper pasture
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we had the whole launch of the expansion to mourn him tho

glass flicker
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Yeah like three weeks.

upper pasture
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uhh

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no?

glass flicker
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Maybe less?

upper pasture
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definitely more

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the conclusion of what happened to him didn't come out until this most recent patch?

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if that was 3 weeks since the launch of the expansion then season 1 has been very short.

glass flicker
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The War Within released on the 26th of August. The campaign finale was September 3rd.

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😂

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Khadgar didn't stay dead for even two weeks.

upper pasture
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oh i guess i'm definitely mixing up lingering shadows then oof

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definitely felt longer than 2 weeks that's for sure

deep pawn
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mostly cause the datamining was months earlier

glass flicker
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Datamining?

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Preeeetty sure it was live.

uncut vault
glass flicker
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I don't remember if August is a thirty or thirty-one days month.

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But if it is thirty days, then Khadgar stayed dead for a total of, drumroll please... ONE WEEK.

deep pawn
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so it felt like he was dead forever

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it was like one of the first things wowhead posted

glass flicker
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To me it felt rushed, I don't know how y'all grieved for months in the time of a week. xD

deep pawn
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April 17th

glass flicker
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??

upper pasture
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that's when we found out khadgar was gonna "die"

glass flicker
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I don't see how datamining affects anything, unless you were grieving in advance, I guess. xD

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And then his death really had no weight 'cause you knew it'd happen.

upper pasture
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that's silly, knowing something is gonna happen doesn't "take the weight" out of it.

glass flicker
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Kinda does. If you know it happens, it might ruin the moment.

upper pasture
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if we knew he was coming back would take the weight out of his death sure but knowing beforehand that it was gonna happen doesn't have the same effect

glass flicker
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That's fair. Honestly? At first, when I saw the wheelchair, I just assumed Drek'thar will make an appearance. A cameo.

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Then someone put Khadgar's name on the chair. I think it was Stiven? Might be wrong. I don't want to point fingers.

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Old man Drek'thar coming to enjoy the sauna of Dornogal in his new w-chair.

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But it was not to be.

ember blaze
harsh mason
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And + collectibles: pets, mounts and transmog

deep pawn
silent urchin
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I think it's mostly as bad luck protection for the chase items, the ultra rare things

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give them to everyone eventually

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they could do that a lot better tbh

upper pasture
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It’s definitely bad luck protection, hell my guild has cleared heroic silken court for months. We’ve seen 3 spy masters drop on our first kill and didn’t see another one until last week. Our poor SP was left without one for months

harsh mason
austere gazelle
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hello there :p

Do we have any idea of the date for the beginning of the new raid ?

upper pasture
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Add a week to the unknown release date of the patch

deep pawn
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Last full build is either this week or next.

ember blaze
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being rewarded by actually playing the game and killing the boss? Nope

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doing some shitty chore for a lootbox? ✅

upper pasture
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yeah our guild was excited when our first kill gave us three little did we know our 4th caster wouldn't see one for months lol

iron hare
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Undermine music is gonna go so hard

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I'm excepting like smooth jazz

glass flicker
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I'm also expecting some good OSTs, but more on the EDM side.

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I seriously just want to hear Pendulum during Gallywix's boss fight.

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Some good ol' drum and bass.

iron hare
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I think it'll be much softer then Kezan/lost isles

glass flicker
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After playing so much FFXIV, I'm starting to think that music is what WoW bosses lack.

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Something to set the tone. The atmosphere.

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It's just the raid OST that you've already listened to on the way to the boss.

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Blackhand in BRF had his own music and it was awesome! One of the best raids ever.

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In hindsight, maybe that's why I love the Death Metal Knight so much. It's a boss fight with boss music.

iron hare
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Argus >>>

ember blaze
glass flicker
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You want immersion, mute the in-game music and put on some YouTube.

ember blaze
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from the little i played ff14 back in shadowlands, i was surprised at the boss music

glass flicker
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Titan is the first Eikon, and the moment that distortion guitar hit, I was already headbanging.

ember blaze
glass flicker
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This is a low level trial boss. WoW. C'mon. Take the example.

ember blaze
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ull have too many babies cry

glass flicker
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I often just giggle through Eikon fights 'cause their OSTs are too good.

glass flicker
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'Cause they can't handle not hearing their raid leader screech profanities into their ear?

ember blaze
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again, cause "my immersion" and ppl crying about it not being wow dracthyr_shrug

upper pasture
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Tbf, FF14 comes from Jrpgs which are known for epic boss battle music. WoW not so much. Yes wow has good music here and there but WoW isn’t an Jrpg.

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Not that I’m against getting better boss music, those that don’t like it can just turn it down

glass flicker
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I don't find the mechanics interesting and I don't like listening to a thousand monologues. WoW antagonists are just James Bond villains.

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Rather bang my head on my desk to an OST.

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Granted, I haven't raided since Legion. And mythic+ is just laughable.

deep pawn
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I struggle to hear the music over combat and the music doesn't always fit the fights in WoW

deep pawn
glass flicker
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Am I having a brain fart-...

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Oh

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Fire guy.

deep pawn
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There is a moment in the first expansion that totally sold me on the game for life and it was the fact it was the first MMO to give me an anime "theme song kicks in at climax" moment.

glass flicker
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Honestly, I hate that FFXIV forces me to do group content, but I understand why they do it. I like the game. I just don't play it all the time.

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There's also the matter of Hildibrand.

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His questlines are the highlights of my playthrough.

deep pawn
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they force you to do less group content than WoW does

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Though WoW is catching up.

glass flicker
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I don't know about that. You can level 1-80 all solo and just do delves to heroic raid item level.

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By comparison, FFXIV has dungeons and trials thrown in the MSQ.

deep pawn
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Trials are basically all that's left that is forced group content

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You can do all dungeons solo now.

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And even some trials can be done with npcs

harsh mason
ember blaze
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vendor = good

harsh mason
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Loot is one of the pillars of MMO, because no one will remove the loot system, so…remains only bad luck protection

warm topaz
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big drama inc?

upper pasture
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i mean, something did get added to the shop so yes

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but looking at the deal itself, it's pretty good 2 mounts AND 600 tenders for $30

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it coulda been 3 mounts and 5000 tender for a dollar and people would still complain

deep pawn
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it's just tender being sold will always be an issue

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also people would have loved options to earn those recolors in game

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they'll come to the trading post eventually I'm sure

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It's just annoying how much Blizzard makes off micro transactions

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There'll be people who buy that just for the tenders

upper pasture
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i mean i could argue you could farm 600k gold and buy two tokens and get it for free

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that's all earnable in game

silent urchin
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bundle with a lot of tender in the same month they absolutely fucking overload the tender offering with old stuff at a fomo discount?

deep pawn
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I honestly didn't buy any of the returning stuff

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it still doesn't interest me even at a discount

sullen dawn
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I would buy it 30 euro is not a good price for it

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At 20 sure

ionic terrace
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realms down btw

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🙏 for music

ionic terrace
warm topaz
silent urchin
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lotta spell and zone ambience

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Doesn't seem like music

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New in game shop pet, fresh off the earlier drama

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deep pawn
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If it's the same model as the January pets that's nuts

silent urchin
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Not sure. Doesn't show up in client yet.

silent urchin
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seems to be the same, just blue

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deep pawn
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I wonder why they have to nerf +8 delve vaults

silent urchin
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also butterfly warglaives, not sure if the model is new but the item is

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deep pawn
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That's 30 extra crests per piece

clear apex
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oh thats so pretty

ember blaze
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for the one class that can use em

clear apex
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i think they had datamined butterfly items for all weapon types

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probably no 2h swords cause blzzard just hates them lately

harsh mason
warm topaz
warm topaz
silent urchin
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better integration to common external social platforms that we know the community uses regularly. somehow twitter integration returned

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I assume it's discord this time

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Not sure what they'd do, I think discord has some quick join stuff maybe?

pulsar minnow
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I’m genuinely very hyped by the hint at the group finder being redesigned

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That old tab is so bad and makes it even more annoying to find an M+ group than it already is

ember blaze
ionic terrace
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11.1.5 PAUSERS

warm topaz
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big pace

deep pawn
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Not shocking

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This patch goes live in 3 weeks. I can't see them waiting til the race is over if they want to stick to 8 weeks with 7 weeks of testing

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Especially if there's an Augmentation level surprise

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The fact they have a housing preview coming today when we aren't seeing that til preorders next winter is interesting

zealous sedge
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lol

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Excited to hear about player housing

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I’m keeping my expectations mild though. It’s such a big feature it’s gonna take a lot to get right.

deep pawn
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It's probably discord

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Since it's by far the most common voice and organization tool right now.

zealous sedge
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True!

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Maybe it could be integrated with the communities tab

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Somehow in a cool way

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Discord chat interlayer with the chat window? But they need to update the chat UI. Yeah there are addons but the base UI hasn’t been changed in who knows how long.

ember blaze
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bard and gunner

deep pawn
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This is the last chance they have to add traditional tinker haha

warm topaz
sullen dawn
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Noooooo they aren't using actual zones 😦

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Neighbourhoods feature is great though

clear apex
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as they said, better to do certain areas well instead of many zones subpar

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thats how most housing in mmos work

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looks like a neighborhood between SW to Goldshire and the surrounding area of Org?

deep pawn
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the neighborhoods will likely be the same spot, just instanced somewhat

clear apex
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If I join a neighborhood I want to be able to choose what house I want though and not be forced into a different plot like ff14

deep pawn
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we won't know

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It could either be if you want a specific spot you can go to a new neighborhood

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or it's first come first serve as neighborhoods are spun up.

thin warren
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oh, i like the idea of neighbourhoods, not everyone on his little private homeplace

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maybe they will feel more alive than some capitals feel nowadays

sullen dawn
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Which has visible houses in the existing world that have instanced plots. Many many zones/plots available

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No neighborhoods ofc but that side of things doesn't interest me

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In that model that don't actually build new zones, just plots

clear apex
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ESO housing, as far as customization is what I wanted. But some houses do feel lonely and dont have a lot going on.
Reapers Rest (sleek creek) is nice because its by a hub, but the high elf ones nearish to that are always dead (black vine villa)

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having houses in/around a city keep things busy

sullen dawn
clear apex
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Also what I mean by wanting neighborhood housing, if I want plot A-3 on this little hill with a creek, I should get to have that. Make it shard into another house.
I hope that's how it might work. Im curious to see the more solo stuff v neighborhood

sullen dawn
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It's less social but imo it's a better model. More immersive and "feels part of the world"

deep pawn
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They want you to know and visit your neighbors.

sullen dawn
clear apex
sullen dawn
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I understand some people are, it's just not what I necessarily wanted from housing

clear apex
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If it requires each plot to be full before it creates another shard, that would somewhat suck, then you have to compete like ff14 and theyre trying to avoid that

deep pawn
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It'll either be if you want a specific plot you have to risk a new neighborhood, or I think more likely it's first come first serve.

sullen dawn
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*dark iron

deep pawn
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not like you're limited on houses

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looks like each of your characters can have one

clear apex
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Im a little miffed we're orc/human theme to start and hope by end of midnight we've got more. Belameth and Dornagol have obvious housing areas

deep pawn
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Housing will have its own roadmaps and stuff

sullen dawn
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Yeh. Just personally I would have sacrificed neighbourhoods for more options and the "ESO model"

clear apex
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I am co-owner of a guild of friends so, perhaps we'll just pitch in to get a neighboorhood

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But I have overall, zero interest in neighborhoods unless the area is super nice looking

sullen dawn
deep pawn
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Orgrimmar of course was the obvious first horde choice but it won't be for everyone

dense plover
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Zone theme == actual house theme btw

clear apex
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Im looking forward to draenei, belf and nelf

dense plover
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We could still get houses that have more exterior options than just what the zone is

deep pawn
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but you just need an Alliance char and then your horde chars can visit an Alliance house whenever

dense plover
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They didn’t say anything about that

clear apex
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yeah thats honestly really cool we can cross faction it

sullen dawn
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Tauren in Mulgore, my hunter in grizzly hills, my dark iron in BRM etc..

dense plover
sullen dawn
dense plover
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The reason that works in 14 is because of limited housing

sullen dawn
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I don't really care about neighbours

dense plover
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It’s just a garrison with customization at that point

sullen dawn
sullen dawn
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dense plover
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Very successful game /s

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Animal crossing isn’t an MMO

sullen dawn
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Oh come on

deep pawn
sullen dawn
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It's successful enough to have continued support. It's completely legitimate for me to prefer that model

dense plover
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So in ESO they just give you a house?

sullen dawn
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Neither is objectively better

deep pawn
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Each player having access to multiple housing is gonna be a ton of server demands

dense plover
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And there are unlimited houses?

dense plover
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Each account has one house

sullen dawn
# dense plover And there are unlimited houses?

No the house (or plot sometimes it's an estate etc.) is visible in the real world. When you enter it you enter an instance. There are dozens of options across world all in different styles. Some apartments, then small, medium and large plots

dense plover
sullen dawn
dense plover
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The demand for player housing has always been about the social aspect in wow - that was the goal when people first wanted it

sullen dawn
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All my RL friends who play wow have the same opinion I do. We prefer the ESO model

sullen dawn
dense plover
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Why play wow if you don’t want to interact with the community?

deep pawn
# dense plover Each player has access to their neighborhood

where do you see that limit of one? Unless "Your houses are also shared amongst your Warband with your different characters being able to come and go as you see fit " the plural here means those people who do run multiple accounts on one warband

sullen dawn
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"people" isn't a monolith, stop acting like it is

clear apex
sullen dawn
dense plover
sullen dawn
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ESO has huge amounts of community interaction

clear apex
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I play wow and don't care to interact with the community. Have you met a lot of them in game?

deep pawn
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nah, blue post says your houses and your house both

sullen dawn
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Because it's a mega server, the capital cities are always bustling, with people RPing

upper pasture
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i mean, i've made some pretty good friendships out of wow

dense plover
upper pasture
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you miss alot of the opportunities you don't take

sullen dawn
clear apex
deep pawn
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I guess we'll see closer to launch if you can have more than one per account.

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I hope you can at least have a couple for different aesthetics.

clear apex
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Sounds like you can have multiple. One for ally one for horde and possibly 1 in a neighborhood

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*so far

sullen dawn
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It's one of the things I'd wish wow learnt from eso

clear apex
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That wasn't in response to you

sullen dawn
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I know I was agreeing

clear apex
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Oh OK lol

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Them saying customization 3d tools makes me think they're doing stuff like eso/ guild wars 2

sullen dawn
clear apex
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Hopefully with a higher limit

sullen dawn
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The big piece of news that makes me happy is that transmog is the benchmark for free VS paid

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I just hope in the current model I) you access the "zone" from the real world through a instance portal rather than hearthstone or portal in SW/org, and II) they eventually add at least one unique zone for each races theme (except vulpera)

clear apex
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Yeah just don't bloat housing items on the cash shop. Eso sucks for that

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But overall you can mostly ignore it

sullen dawn
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But it's very grindy

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I think wow will be better in that respect

clear apex
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I'm hoping they'll add a new profession but not getting my hopes up

sullen dawn
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If they hold true to the transmog comparison

clear apex
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And it needs not exceed 30$ like ever. Since the highest cost tmog/ mounts are that range

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I'm excited overall. Hearing about in depth customization is all i needed to hear

ember blaze
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a new main one

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so it doesnt become forgotten trash like archeology

clear apex
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Logging and carpentry

sullen dawn
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I wonder if they will give the option to allow groups of friends to join the same "public" neighbourhood

clear apex
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Oh and recipes for existing ones. Like metal working for IDK an anvil or Dwarven furniture.

Herb for plant related furnishings etc etc

ember blaze
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@deep pawnbard weapon confirmed

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clear apex
sullen dawn
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Like say you have 4 friends, but you don't want to just be in a 5 plot private place, you'd rather the 5 of you share it with 45 others

clear apex
deep pawn
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hehehe

deep pawn
sullen dawn
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At least you'd be rolling the dice

deep pawn
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unless it's like FF14's neighborhoods where you can pick one that has enough open space

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But I wager the "you want to be with your friends, that's what privates are for"

clear apex
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i hope they add some permissions for friends. I know eso had the option to let another person help arrange furniture (though if oyu put away the object you cant retrieve it/ no inventory access)

zealous sedge
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I’m hoping we get belf houses too

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I haven’t read the post yet don’t @ me

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Just reading through this discourse haha

deep pawn
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I don't think they want to add too many zones

clear apex
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Sounds like newer zones would have it. There's many places that seem set up for it.

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They are giving us an apartment in undermine, how long before that is dead?

zealous sedge
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Oh for sure. I feel like they don’t necessarily have to make multiple zones. I feel as though the “neighboorhood” can have different housing types. That way it doesn’t look cookie cutter. Although it could look weird I guess.

deep pawn
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Elywnn is gonna be miles more popular

zealous sedge
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Yeah honestly the cataclysm org style has gotten stale for me

clear apex
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sobs I main on moon guard, cant WAIT to see how that's going to pan out

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guess the stormwind kings rest might empty out some, but then everyone will be in elwynn even more

zealous sedge
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are neighborhoods permanent? Like are we gonna be stuck with shitty neighbors like in real life? Or will our neighborhood be a ghost town if people stop playing the game in your neighborhood?

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Many questions

deep pawn
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we don't know

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neighbors are intended to be permanent until people move

zealous sedge
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Good to know

clear apex
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I imagine if youre in a guild that dies and it's a private neighborhood, then it would become empty

deep pawn
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a way to make it so you're not the last person left in a neighborhood without moving might be feedback they get

clear apex
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happens in ff14 all the time. People own houses just to have it, dont play in it and the neighborhoods are ghost towns

zealous sedge
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My one thing is I hope real money doesn’t play a factor into moving your house. I’m ok with cosmetics I guess. BUT I would be really pissed if their are a ton of gold sink items

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But given the success of the brutosaur I imagine this thing is gonna be monetized in some way and become a cash cow.

sullen dawn
sullen dawn
zealous sedge
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I could see like if you want to change your theme more than once that it would be a paid service. Like realm transfer

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But like if they release new themes you should be able to change for free the first time

upper pasture
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they could just make it cost gold, say just like 5k increasing until a cap of say like 25k and it would decrease over time if not used

ember blaze
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legit paying rent for a virtual house

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that u dont even visit 💀

clear apex
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and they cost millions to buy

upper pasture
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literally insane behavior

clear apex
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but what will i do without my 30million gil large plot house that has no exterior decor and i dont go inside?

zealous sedge
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Theorized discord integration could really help keep neighborhoods feel alive. As long as they merge it with Communities. We could have a Beta/ PTR spoilers neighborhood hahaha

deep pawn
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Either starter accounts will be banned from owning houses or we'll see lots of people using them

upper pasture
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oh for sure starter accounts wont be able to.

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why make a point of saying you wont lose your house if your sub lapses if having a sub isn't required to own a home? i mean other than to poke fun at square.

clear apex
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I can totally see starters not having one. They dont get a lot of things to start with

upper pasture
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im sure a lot of F2P players are gonna be upset about this

zealous sedge
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Yeah maybe starters get a fully furnished lease on their own neighborhood with other starters just to get them hooked.

clear apex
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An apartment at the most

zealous sedge
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F2P players exist?

clear apex
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starter, not f2p

zealous sedge
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Ohhh I understand

upper pasture
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yeah there's that one person that comes in the discord and screams about how we are all paypigs to blizzard like every 6 months or so

zealous sedge
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But like, starter is only intended to see if you like it, no?

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Oh haha

deep pawn
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I definitely think they could let the starter accounts get to 70

clear apex
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if they wanted to compete with ff14 on that front, but you can still do a lot at lv20

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youre not confined to expansions that same way ff14 is

zealous sedge
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I think it would be cool if the housing zones have a couple optional small quest-lines each patch leading up to launch where players can help “build” the zone. Also could show the phases of the new zone being built to make it more immersive. Optional of course but they provide cosmetics you can use once houses are in game.

little hound
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Ty god Alliance gets a Elwynn/Westfall/Duskwood mixed zone, and also ty GOD Faction doesn't matter anymore 😄 Not a fan of the durotar vibe.

ember blaze
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yeah not a fan of that horde look

worn crown
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Alliance area will probably look too bland for me (as the Ally starting zones looks) and I absolutely love that the Horde area will be a mix of Durotar and Azshara near the coast!

A house by the sea will it be, for me

iron hare
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Yeah I like that you can switch

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I main a blood elf and mine will be chilling in the forests

dense plover