beta-ptr-spoilers

[silent urchin]

I dunno if it's directly connected to undermine, but at least one of the screenshots has some goblin stuff in it

afaik that's the bit in the SE of ringing deeps

undermine might be its own disconnected area accessed via portal

[sullen dawn]

Yeh it's just finding patterns where they don't exist

It could be small, but theres nothing to indicate that right now

[clear apex]

The black blood is likely tied to whatever is going on with haranir

[sullen dawn]

Defo

[clear apex]

If you did the quests with them it's the likely choice

[sullen dawn]

Although it seems like gobos harvesting it too, so may tie into lots of things

[clear apex]

It could.
I wouldn't put it past them to be harvesting it maybe.

I'm curious why they're trying to flood the ringing deeps

*bc of the dungeon

[sullen dawn]

They're trying to submerge awakening the machine

Heroes we deserve 😄

[clear apex]

I hate that thing so much

It's boring

[sullen dawn]

😂

[silent urchin]

it's not great but it's like ten minutes, I don't get how its so hated

[sullen dawn]

It had such potential too, but they abandoned all the alpha mechanics

[clear apex]

Id rather have back the Mists training thing

[silent urchin]

I dunno, it was really, really long in alpha

I'm not sure the extra mechanics really made it interesting

[sullen dawn]

Well they never got it right

It had potential is all I'm saying

[ember blaze]

because it's boring even if it's quick?

i keep hearing how it was supposed to be some vampire survival mini game

if they could pull something like that off in wow it would be cool

but what we got should have been completely scrapped

and moved the mount/rep elsewhere

[sullen dawn]

Yes, but they couldn't get it right so they stripped it all out

[clear apex]

Having it be 3rd person overhead controlling your character might have been more fun. But IDK

I found it a little hard to do with marksman hunter but really easy with bm

[rain cave]

Longest 10 minutes of my life

You can't mindlessly do it on most classes either

You have to be present for the entire thing

Slow transitions and all

Why do we even have to ask the guy to go to the next 5 waves

It's infuriating in the extremely small annoying way

It's the biggest small type of "ugh" and that's what makes it especially bad to me xD

[deep pawn]

The gaps between waves were supposed to be when you picked upgrades

[rain cave]

tbh they should just let the kit upgrades be permanent

as in everytime you come back

it's still there

just so people can see what happens after stacking a bunch of them over weeks

[deep pawn]

That's honestly what I thought they were when the crit had no cap lol

[silent urchin]

Build out. Plunderstorm dates changed slightly. Seems it starts a bit earlier

Music added too, and a bunch of sounds for the new battle pets

[silent urchin]

ah, week earlier for plunderstorm, 14th/15th depending on region

[deep pawn]

Did they move timeways?

Regardless the shorter 11.0.7 lasts the happier I am.

[silent urchin]

no change to timeways this patch

although it's all subject to change until it's actually live

[deep pawn]

I just think it'd suck if season 1 is the longest season this expansion

S2 ending in July would make it very short.

[silent urchin]

it's like.. two weeks longer than the 8 week cadence? And that's mostly cause of christmas

[deep pawn]

I'm just spoiled from DF where .7s were short

Forbidden Reach definitely wore itself out at 4 weeks so the patch launching at 6 weeks was welcome

I guess Blizzard is assuming Plunderstorm will suffice

Jani is you becoming their avatar, sick.

[sleek solar]

Do we know the next trading post yet?

[silent urchin]

No, likely today or tomorrow

[sleek solar]

Ahh

[silent urchin]

or friday, maybe

[deep pawn]

it'd be an automatic post if it's tomorrow or Friday

[silent urchin]

They're scheduled well in advance anyway

[tropic trail]

Hoping for Xmas 🤶 transmog

[sleek solar]

Same

I want another cool AF transmog

Anduins sick armor, Sylvanas first SL armor

Tyrande armor

The cool version of the Warden armor

Just any one of those pls

[tropic trail]

Anduin armor is nice

[sleek solar]

It really is

[silent urchin]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24162479

today!

longer bar with 500 extra tender (would not be surprised if christmas gift had some too)

[pulsar minnow]

Oh finally a bonus reward I’ll actually use lol

Granted last months was also pretty good too

[deep pawn]

murloc recolour!

EAR MUFFS THAT DON'T MAKE YOU BALD?

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/NPWEGW1XCDII1732648737673.png There's a horde version too

[tropic trail]

Nice hammer 😂

[thin warren]

stop, hammertime!

[rain cave]

Did they post the full list somewhere?

[silent urchin]

No, that's all we've got.

[rain cave]

Looking pretty barren for me haha

Maybe I'll get the romper

Oh that's the bonus reward

Looks like my tendies are safe this month then xD

[thin warren]

haha 😄 😆

[deep pawn]

the full list will be tomorrow or Friday I guess

[opal storm]

I'd love to get casual winter coat over this ngl

[sleek solar]

Same

[uncut vault]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418884205435551754/1311799180943036488/Jaina_Khadgar_Stay_Awhile.mp4?ex=674a2bb0&is=6748da30&hm=0482d4ba87d404342c57110722b9f861f708c491e168185a5480244b73a86527&

Not new, but can actually be seen with voice acting now, not just text

[tropic trail]

Why when he moves there is other Khadgar behind? 🤔

[glass flicker]

He's trying to roll into the scene.

[silent urchin]

PTR things, will probably be cleaned up before live

[ember blaze]

iwanna join the kirin tor as a faction.

screw the alliance and the horde, let me choose

[sleek solar]

I want factions to go away

Or at least blur the lines

[hazy kettle]

Bomby, you mean the two big factions, right?
-# Gnomes and the other faction, everyone else (jk I love gnomes)

[pulsar minnow]

i mean i think theyve done a good job at that as of late

i mean factions are literally just which cities you like better at this point

[sleek solar]

Yup

Faction as a gameplay aspect

[sleek solar]

Yup, but it would be even better when I can take my orc to Stormwind without being attacked by guards, and being forced into PvP

[hazy kettle]

No, get your green skin out of my beautiful pink, flesh-coloured haven. ~

Jokes aside, kinda? I've always been a fan of having a neutral third option.

But at the same time, I feel like the factions look like an overlap (i.e. Worgen perhaps being as brutal and bloodthirsty as Orcs (were back in the day), Nelfs and Tauren both being basically peaceful and pacifists unless prodded)

[sleek solar]

xD with the new story and the new alliance between the 2 it is def open

[hazy kettle]

When in reality, on a deeper level, there are big differences in mentalities. owo

I do kinda want there to be factions due to their natural divide. Not to cockblock players, but to showcase that there is a fundamental difference between the two, even if both the Alliance and Horde can be noble and peaceful to each other.

I don't need BFA * 15 to see the differences, nor do I need the absolute inverse to know there are similarities. Give us a third faction / abolish player-locked factions, yes... but also it would be kinda weird to have Orcs just roleplay in SW and vice versa. Gives me a disconnect, mentally - that's a me problem though.

[ember blaze]

i want hubs for all factions and let me align with one of my choice

like dalaran, and let me align with the kirin tor

and i get a cool mog for that

[sleek solar]

They will never do that

It would bring so many complications

Also Kirin tor is not neutral anymore

Fuckin Jaina

[deep pawn]

Given there's double of the machine speaker Lady every new lore disc quest I'm not hopeful.

[rain cave]

tbf A lot of the worgen story is about NOT being savage and reclaiming their land and ways back

they are just cursed to have some of that savagery on them, their curse is their bond

(which is why tess greymane is weird to have as a leader for them)

but I do actually like the idea of them pairing up races to bond about some shared experiences

a little questline where some worgen and orcs sit down to discuss how they're both races who lost their original homeland, were cursed to bloodthirsty savagery and are seeking to erode that image and go back to roots?

night elves and nightborne sitting down to settle their differences, since Tyrande, Maiev and wider Nelf society has grown past their disrespect for highborne a bit more now since Legion.

could even have some nightborne elune priestesses show Tyrande that even after all this time, and how different they were as a society that some of them never stopped believing/ serving elune, as a sort of "we aren't so different" moment to shock tyrande

[uncut vault]

In an ideal world, this could have been what we got for the Gilneas Reclamation, the idea of the Worgen and Forsaken both being torn between that desire to return to what they were before their tragedy, vs the value in accepting the benefits of their curses and how it united them into the people they are today

And exploring how their conflict in Cata was, ultimately, a conflict of circumstance brought on by Garrosh, not something either side particularly wanted to lead to all this hatred

[rain cave]

there is a very cool storyline they could do that would also be extremely topical to irl atm where they explore how the people of Azeroth have constntly been galvanized to causes that weren't necessarily their own or in their best interest

like in BfA I imagine horde peeps were confused why they were even GOING to war, but still a decent chunk just went along with it

and even alliance races have historically just been find to be pointed at their enemies with no second guessing

it's so hard to fit these sort of stories into the game though xD

because dev time for pure side story is hard to come by, has to fit in with the other things going on

(This is where blizzard doing an Arcane style character driven show about key lore areas of Warcraft would be helpful)

would be harder to pull off though, since the difference between games means we can't really have that re-design/redo of lore and characters that helped arcane

[restive totem]

u guys into role playing gmaes?

[sleek solar]

No

[rain cave]

lmao

[silent urchin]

absurd amounts of stuff

also only 1k this month

[dense plover]

boo

they need to bump the base amount

or drop prices across the board

multiple 750 items is unacceptable

i mean - the new winterveil weapons are 750 combined

[upper pasture]

oh black wings?

[dense plover]

thats insane

[silent urchin]

Quite a few of the expensive ones are former shop items

which is starting to feel bad

[upper pasture]

170 for the earmuffs seems kinda a weird price tbh lol

[silent urchin]

especially when it's 170 per faction

[upper pasture]

i wonder, are they faction locked?

it'd be funny to use the ally ones on say like an orc

[silent urchin]

they don't say they are, but I'm not buying them to check

[upper pasture]

oh neat

[dense plover]

if theyre like some of the other items, they might not be

typically faction-locked items are 1 price and you get both

since you can only earn the currency once

[deep pawn]

eh? they said extra no?

[silent urchin]

In february

not sure why they announced it now

[deep pawn]

oh

[silent urchin]

wouldn't surprise me if there's some for christmas itself

[deep pawn]

kinda weird they put the purple love witch up and not the blue

[ember blaze]

a fox mount instead of a reindeer??

[deep pawn]

I looked at this months stuff so much and I held off on buying a lot

I need to prep for February

Christmas mogs would be cool so I'll have to decide how cool they look

[sleek solar]

It the matching mount to the Twilight set

[deep pawn]

Just interesting the twilight set is here being a former store set. They're selling some blue recolor of the weapons but not the attire or mount.

[deep pawn]

So do you think ptr is this week or next week

[silent urchin]

for what, 11.1? Probably after christmas

[deep pawn]

They said this month

So it's the next two weeks

[harsh mason]

I think it's on the same week as the 11.0.7 release(most likely on Thursday)

[deep pawn]

That's a tad close to Christmas

That'd be just one day before they go on vacation for 2 weeks

[uncut vault]

Either way, they're likely just getting the build out there and ensuring its stable then going on holiday

[sleek solar]

ofcourse xD

[deep pawn]

Haha

1500 tenders being worth 30 bucks sounds about right

So far I'm resisting the urge to buy the purple set

[silent urchin]

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/28114748484119-World-of-Warcraft-x-Mountain-Dew-Quest this is a thing. US only again.

[sleek solar]

I wasnt ever going to buy that disgusting Mountain Dew, but now ill never do it for sure

[deep pawn]

oh neat

streaming to yourself is relatively easy

[silent urchin]

hmm, weird, it doesn't say it's coming to the trading post later

just that it's limited time

[deep pawn]

did the gronn thing ever go to the trading post?

That's the only other discord quest I've done haha

[silent urchin]

Oh I meant the sky witch stuff

I have no idea about the quest. I know we had a different colour of the ogre pet on the trading post

[deep pawn]

ugh, I can't decide between the gift hammer or the candy sword.

and crown claimed

[ember blaze]

only the expensive version worth only 100 points was what i could find, so i never got it

[upper pasture]

Buying a 12pk of the “new” flavours was more than enough points for the bike and had 400 points left over. Sucks that it was N.A. only but I’d hardly say it was over priced or expensive.

[ember blaze]

yeah i couldnt find those

id be like $20, when i saw ppl posting they bought a whole bike with leftover points for $7

[silent urchin]

people buying codes for like, $50+ on day one seemed insane to me

well, still does

[upper pasture]

There was a promo when I found out d the packs it was 3 12pks for 10 bucks

[silent urchin]

Was never gonna be a shortage of mountain dew, even if it took a while to roll out everywhere

although there still seems to be drama, apparently they restock the limited quantity stuff, like physical items or full games, every monday

and bots grab them in seconds

[upper pasture]

Took a few days after the promo started but now it’s everywhere

[deep pawn]

I have no idea when on monday lol

I'd love the d4 bundle for cheap but ain't happening

[silent urchin]

12pm EST the posts say

[deep pawn]

ah

I'll probably sell a bunch of the mounts soon

could probably get enough gold for tokens to buy it

[silent urchin]

https://x.com/algalon_ghost/status/1864017270336270833 👀

Algalon, Enigmatic Observer (@algalon_ghost) on X

New #Warcraft build found:
Vendor 3 (wowv3)🔐: 11.1.0.57727 --> 11.1.0.57883

Found at: 12-03-2024@06:42:02 UTC

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 6:42 PM

[sleek solar]

I remember the discussion a while back when someone said "We will never see playable Naga, they are 1 people undivided"
Now looks what happened xD

[upper pasture]

aren't the naga just corrupted high elves? doesn't this just fall in line of midnights story which will be unifying ALL elves. which will likely include the naga?

[rain cave]

Yeah I'm still betting on a storyline to get the naga back in and maybe give them elf forms

With naga features like scales and such

And then maybe having them transform back into full naga form if they want. Like dravthyr

[tulip sun]

I appreciate the creativity but that sounds horrible to me

I don't want just another elf. If they add Naga they need to do it in their true form

[sleek solar]

THIS!!!

[sleek solar]

Yup, but someone ( i dont remember who it was) dismissed all claims

It was kinda sad to read really

Clinging to them being enemies only with no depth

[plain violet]

Corrupted highborne kaldorei!

[ember blaze]

just another elf is what the people want

a full true fish form will go the same as dracthyr where people want to play as you guessed it, another elf or human 24/7

[tulip sun]

Then there are options for more elves.

Naga are not it

[ember blaze]

yeah i think it's dumb, but thats what ppl cry about

i like dracthyr coming around and adding unique ideas like your spells having you fly around and breathing fire

makes it different than just another mage in a different color

[tulip sun]

You say the people

But I've only seen a few fringe people suggest the idea

[sleek solar]

No

[sleek solar]

Exactly lol

Actual Naga is one of the most wanted requests and has been for a loooooong time

[ember blaze]

which part

cause im just basing this on how the dragon class got recieved

[ember blaze]

ya

and ppl begging to stay in human/elf appearance in combat

there is a reason theyre the most played

[sleek solar]

What?

Naga is Naga, not a night elf with a Naga form

They cant transform

[ember blaze]

o okay 😂 players gonna have to deal with it then

[upper pasture]

I guess if you are like 5 of the 27 races of course you're gonna be in the majority tho

[tulip sun]

They made dragons with a visage because that's a huge part of who they are

Naga do not.

[ember blaze]

fair, i figured they could just transform through magic or something 💀

[tulip sun]

Nah

[ember blaze]

im all for more monster races though

sucks having all these new stuff introduced only to get a slightly taller dwarf

[deep pawn]

I still think they'll do illusion forms just for mounts

They'll get one special chariot mount for purists

[deep pawn]

I'd love to see ptr this week and it'd make timing sense

Not like they're testing much on 11.0.7

[rain cave]

That's what I'm saying

But there needs to be a way to have them wear boots and mount

[clear apex]

Haranir would have been just fine, imo. But yeah, dwarf 3.0

[rain cave]

So have both forms, choose your preferred

[rain cave]

Naga ARE elves though. In a way

[clear apex]

Honestly it would have been pretty nice if a lot of allied races were just customization for existing races instead of a totally new slot

[rain cave]

I'm debating that they'll do that after tlt

Keep the races but change how they're presented

[deep pawn]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1203027.jpg

Ugh, just give is Tel'Abim!

"Prior to the events of The War Within, the Pillars of Creation were removed from the Tomb of Sargeras and placed back on their altars in Dalaran. Their current status is unknown."

That's certainly not ominous at all.

[upper pasture]

hmm....legion remix to go back in time and get them before they "disappear"

[meager warren]

Are they ever gonna remove faction restrictions?

Like playing draenei or human in horde and undead or troll in alliance?

[upper pasture]

faction restrictions are pretty much removed, you can do LFG in a full group now so aside from being able to go to the other factions city hubs it's pretty nonexistent

and since we don't really get city specific hubs in new content we aren't gonna see that unless we go into a 5th war

[ember blaze]

thats pretty much what allied races are...

[tulip sun]

Highly disagree.

[meager warren]

Well, there isn't any draenei allied race

[meager warren]

Then how come all the OG races can only play on the faction they were designed for?

[clear apex]

Elaborate?

[glass flicker]

So Azshara got the Tidestone of Golganneth from the Tomb of Sargeras, opened up Nazjatar, someone found it and returned it to Dalaran...?

Yeah, I think we scratched the pooch on that one, leaving the Pillars of Creation in the tomb.

[upper pasture]

uhhh lightforged?

[glass flicker]

Watch 'em say "I WANTED BROKEN"

(Reasonable response)

[upper pasture]

i mean sure but like, still Draenei have LF and we have the Man'ari option when making an OG Draenei.

[clear apex]

Like I'm pretty sure each race has a dupe at this point.

Gilneans are just human that be can wolves.
Kul tiran are chubby humans.
Etc.
They didn't need to be another slot. I know why they are

But light forge draenei could have just been skin choice

[upper pasture]

it really depends on how many new customizeable options the race is getting and if they over lap with their OG base race

[clear apex]

I think combining KT with base humans could work. Fill in the gap of body size with a 3rd option.
They show "normal" humans living in KT

Mecha gnome could go into gnome, optional mech parts

[upper pasture]

then you run into how do you accurately display racial bonuses without it getting confusing.

sometimes it makes sense as just a cosmetic change in the OG race then sometimes it makes sense for it to be it's own thing

[clear apex]

Yeah i know just theorizing

Ff14 has an ok way of doing it.
You choose a species, then which race you are

Cat boy? Are you dark or light? Here's your race bonus

Cosmetically they're 90% the same

[ember blaze]

when is wow getting cat boys/girls

[glass flicker]

Don't give them ideas. I've already seen roleplayers with "half Tol'vir" things.

'Cause you can totally breed a human with a cat centaur.

[meager warren]

1. Not as cool as OG
2. Still Alliance locked

[upper pasture]

the factions aren't gonna be "unlocked" like that. you have barely any barriers when it comes to game play so it's hardly a reason to let the faction "walls" come down.

[meager warren]

the walls are artificial.

If WoW were set irl, all of these races would be found on both sides because the faction leaders would love new recruits and don't care what they look like

[ember blaze]

has it been established that u cant

[upper pasture]

but they ARE found on both sides even more so now than before you just can't be an alliance faction and go to a horde own city. sorry this ficional world isn't a mirror to RL.

[glass flicker]

Yeah, that's what I said.

[upper pasture]

Blizzard has been since the start writting the factions working together more often than not, but old hatreds die hard.

[glass flicker]

Sarcasm pls.

[meager warren]

This just seems like something that would make the game better and would even make sense with how much both factions have worked together since Wrath

They even had the stone dwarves join both

[upper pasture]

not really, but you're entitled to your own opinion on that

[meager warren]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[upper pasture]

personally if factions are meaningless then that's half as many options for story telling

[meager warren]

All races being able to join both factions doesn't necessitate making them meaningless.

The player's race is already meaningless except for racials, this wouldn't really change anything

[upper pasture]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

pretty sure at this point you're just trolling

[meager warren]

I'm trolling because i think customization is a good thing?

Lol, ok

[upper pasture]

what's customization about playing a race that's already in the game but you want to be red instead of blue? you mean homogenization. which as i explained allows more room for story and lore rather than "lol just everyone is cool with this since we are all pals now"

gameplay wise it hardly matters if your horde or alliance today just a few lore/rules keep it so that blizzard can tell seperate stories rather than one

[meager warren]

Because as i said, the separation is artificial, there's not much difference outside of faction or race-exclusive questlines in what race you play. You don't think the Alliance would love to love the strength of tauren or orcs, or the resilience of undead in their ranks? Or the Horde with the sorcery and natural magecraft of Draenei, or dwarven and gnomish engineering?

Star Wars the Old Republic lets every race join whichever side and look! Both sides still serve the original purpose as told in the writings of George Lucas

Keeping the faction lock is artificial af and doesn't serve any real purpose

[upper pasture]

i see, we are back in square one. enjoy your night

[meager warren]

Bro, you're the one who responded to ME

[upper pasture]

because you asked a question? the fuck??

[meager warren]

if you don't intend to answer it faithfully, maybe don't answer it

[upper pasture]

look dude you're NEVER gonna convince me on your opinion and i'll never convince you. i'm trying to respectfully walk away

[keen void]

anyone wanna play retail wow im new and need help

[upper pasture]

i did answer it faithfully you just have your own opinion for what's better for the game. which i disagree upon. you said there's no secondary draenei race which there is two. i think there's better options for blizzard to keep a loose faction divide for better options than joining all races into a single good guys (playable races) vs the bad guys. there's nothing really restriction horde and alliance playing together at the endgame level of play. sorry you can't visit old faction hubs.

[tulip sun]

They are their own distinct peoples. Merging them as customization is a doing them so poorly.

Especially when that comes with little to no lore/story and characters

[ember blaze]

factions dont have to go away, theyre just largely meaningless for players

for too long they just unnecessarily split the playerbase and they went away with that for good reason

maybe lore nerds probably wont like a human in org

[uncut vault]

They can get rid of the faction divide from a broad gameplay perspective without applying it everywhere: that's largely what we already do have right now

They need to get over a few hurdles, like communication in the open world or instance queueing, but we've largely already reached the point where your faction doesn't matter for current content

But applying that retroactively to old capitols and questing just waters down the narrative in a way that doesn't add much of any benefit to current gameplay.

There's no need for Horde characters to waltz around in Stormwind for anything, the narrative divide built by that is part of what makes the setting interesting. Blizzard's already doing the work to break down those barriers without fully collapsing what makes the setting iconic.

[ember blaze]

at the start of the expac i couldnt play with my friends cause they were all alliance and i couldnt do lfg dungeons with em

[ember blaze]

theyre pretty much side stepping that way with allied races pretty much no?

u can pretty much run around as a female human in org

[uncut vault]

No, because allied races are distinctly separate groups, and aside from void elves (which already had basis to be in both factions since the start), none of the allied races are a case of any kind of mass-scale faction mingling

[ember blaze]

i get that but thats just how i end up seeing it

void elves as just a way for alli to get access to blood elves

whats their name... the blue night elves

yeah yeah theyre different but its an interesting way to introduce what are largely opposite faction models

[uncut vault]

Which is fine to do, with narrative justification. That's a very different situation than taking the existing races and their backstories and tossing them out for something that adds very little beyond novelty.

[ember blaze]

yeah thats fair

[uncut vault]

Hell, as far as we know currently we're even getting a faction-exclusive capitol converted into a neutral one with Midnight

but that's with the concerted effort of a whole xpac centered around it to justify why that's happening

[ember blaze]

i cant wait for my silvermoon apartment

[upper pasture]

But you CAN now, as long as you have a full group. LFG is cross faction now.

[ember blaze]

aaaaand they all quit, so a little too late

[upper pasture]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

just another thing to bring them back for the next time

[deep pawn]

I hope we get ptr today. I can't remember their preferred build day, it changes so often

[sleek solar]

I just want to walk in Stormwind with my Zandalari and Vulp without being forced into Warmode, I dont care about anything else

They have an actual (fragile) peace treaty now, yet looking at the banter between Turalyon and Geya’rah, they do have some healthy teasing

Making fun of each other etc

[sullen dawn]

Can be any day except Monday or the weekend really

[rain cave]

There may be a time when they unshackle race from faction. But that time is not near and would be part of a huge rebrand and redo of what the factions even are

As well as how our characters fit into that

Could I see them do it? Maybe. But is it also such a massive undertaking that creates a lot of problems and also be controversial that they might just not even do it? Yes

If they Lowered the faction divide for races they'd need to concoct a whole new fantasy and iconography to keep channeling horde and alliance hype/ marketing

How would cities work? Would you be able to go to any city but then capitals are off limits to the opposite? Would that mean there needs to be a human quarter in orgrimmar? Is that not kind of insulting to some people? How do you get orcs to fit into the alliance aesthetic?

If its just an ideology difference that implies a huge divide in it to the point of fracturing the old faction lines as well. What would even cause that?

[silent urchin]

... wait, renown increases?

[upper pasture]

That’s interesting

I know they initially said there would be increases in DF but it never came to pass

[clear apex]

So far it's the alliance that is "welcoming" horde into their cities.
Belameth and gilneas.

So i dont think we're that far from allowing anyone into cities even if it means the npc show as orange text instead of red or green

[silent urchin]

Not seen any hint of more levels on PTR, maybe it just means faster renown?

[clear apex]

I took renown increase as faster renown

[upper pasture]

Possibly, although I wouldn’t be opposed to more renown tracks to the current ones

[silent urchin]

well we're getting gobbos but that's 11.1

[clear apex]

Isn't there renown in siren isles

[upper pasture]

Probably not, if it’s anything like forbidden reach it was just your Dracthyr faction rep plus the other ones but no “new” ones.

[silent urchin]

I think you can earn for existing ones, but nothing new

[rain cave]

I mean there is also silvermoon where horde allow alliance in

Turalyon (acting head of alliance, and a human) was under less watch than Alleria lmao

[silent urchin]

well, one human, once

I guess a few more at lorthemar and thalyssras wedding, but it is still special cases only

[hazy kettle]

Sunwell enjoyer
vs Sunwell destroyer

[clear apex]

In game yet?

Or still story only

[silent urchin]

story only, but wait til midnight

[clear apex]

Considering how high elf (later blood elf) did/ do work with the alliance and even tried to rejoin in mists, i could easily see them having no issue with alliance people

Even stuff about foresaken meeting up with humans (then sylvanas fucking that up)

[silent urchin]

Kinda hope they pick that back up sometime

whatever way they decide to go with it

[sleek solar]

Not even this, but tolerating Horde in alliance cities for example, like how Horde is tolerated in the new Night Elf city

[deep pawn]

So tweet confirming plunderstorm dates, patch almost certainly in February, I guess they technically have like 5-6 weeks to adequately test the raid and dungeons pool.

Timeways still ends Feb 25th which is most likely patch date but I'd love a week earlier.

March actually doesn't have any holidays to give us hints on patch date

but I still bet it'll have something march themed before we get to Noblegarden and Midsummer

[upper pasture]

Well atleast we get another compstomp in season one 🙂

[rain cave]

I mean Night elves have always had neutral areas

their new city was also born from the hordes help and is based in a neutral area

[sleek solar]

Darnassus was not neutral

[rain cave]

never said it was lol

[sleek solar]

Then I dont know why you reacted

[rain cave]

I'm saying like

Moonglade is neutral

[sleek solar]

Yes but moonglade is more a druid holdout nowadays

[deep pawn]

If we get Naga in a void expansion they'd be a great choice for Demon hunters

[sullen dawn]

Yeh since the start of wow moonglade has never been a night elf area

It was a druid area, with almost equal representation from the taurens

[ember blaze]

need a void themed class that isnt shadow priest

[deep pawn]

Subtlety and Locks use shadow, void magic is rare

[pulsar minnow]

Death knights use “shadow” magic too.

Shadow damage is just a blanket term for any edgy magic

[ember blaze]

i want more space themed abilities

[clear apex]

Void elves exist

[ember blaze]

more of those black hole looking orbs priests shoot out

[pulsar minnow]

thats not a class

[ember blaze]

clearly

[pulsar minnow]

im talking about void elves. i am agreeing with you Tobi.

[clear apex]

Every class for them becomes void 8p

*I'm joking

[pulsar minnow]

definitely think we'll get either a void class or spellbreakers in midnight

[ember blaze]

i dont want dots or whatver i cant see but more flashy void stuff

[pulsar minnow]

Shadow Hunters would be cool too, but doubtful on that too. we dont need another class with hunter in the name lmao

[clear apex]

I wanna be able to just open void portals and disappear enemies that way

Or summon void lord faceless things

[ember blaze]

or pets

[pulsar minnow]

I hope the void class is a ranged/melee cloth class. dunno how the balance would work there though

[clear apex]

Proper dark ranger class would be cool

[ember blaze]

surprised they didnt make disengage a portal like void elves do

like some blink

[clear apex]

Armor type (appearance really) is rather arbitrary

Druids have spellcasters and it makes no real sense that they're all leather

[ember blaze]

its gonna suck if hero talents take away from cool fantasies relegated to 3 talent nodes

[clear apex]

Evoker wear mail, but realistically cloth could have been fine. I think it was more about the appearance

[ember blaze]

and like one visual

[pulsar minnow]

yeah, but just the vibe that the armor class brings. Plate classes are always these heavy two-handed juggernauts

im thinking a very frail but super agile caster/melee hybrid

So opening void rifts to teleport all over the place, phase out of reality to dodge damage, stuff like that

[clear apex]

Paladin def crosses too much into cloth for my liking with the skirts. That would be awful to fight in

[ember blaze]

i think it sounds cool for a spec to just swap between melee/range

[pulsar minnow]

Kind of what they wanted to do with Survival Hunter in BFA but actually fully comitted to

[clear apex]

Hunter used to do range/ melee

Range mattered with your range weapon

[pulsar minnow]

It used to, but modern wow's combat is sooo much different now

I can only imagine how designing it would work now

[ember blaze]

id want something where u rotate cooldowns

between melee/range abilities

[pulsar minnow]

I had the idea of like, Ramattra from overwatch. You cast, then swap form and go melee (not at all because his weapon is called Void Accelerator or anything...)

[clear apex]

I think they could do it again.
I personally miss the skill leveling with weapons

What was bad about it?

[ember blaze]

well i guess it's cool if u can focus on one weapon while leveling

but then it sucks having to do it again for another

[deep pawn]

Only reason Evoker wears mail armor is because it was the only type that had 2

[rain cave]

make em the same class ;)

[glass flicker]

Part of me wishes DHs wore mail. But it makes sense why they don't.

It would make even more sense for them to wear cloth, seeing as the premiere DH is a topless guy in a pair of pants.

[rain cave]

I agree with this, issue is that we already have a cloth fel user

but thematically it would be cool to see DH's wearing clothier getups

they're still at their core spell casters in a way, especially the ones leaning into the fel magic playstyle

[glass flicker]

So are DKs, when you think about it.

[rain cave]

illidan literally wears what is basically a pair of sweatpants with with a rope around it

[glass flicker]

Just look at Teron Gorefiend in Black Temple. He wears the warlock tier.

[rain cave]

true but I see why they wear plate, spellblades are an archetype

but for me I feel like a part of DH's fantasy is NOT wearing armour which complicates armour for them lmao

[glass flicker]

You know what he does?

He transmogs cosmetics over his leather gear!

[uncut vault]

They’ve definitely succeeded with this nowadays on survival

Issue is, they’ve also succeeded with that on Ret paladin because they’re probably the most ranged-accessible melee spec in the game now lol

[glass flicker]

And that's what annoys me when doing PvP.

As an Arms Warrior, when I fight a Paladin, I'm the one praying.

[ember blaze]

why do hunters wear mail

[glass flicker]

Good question.

[ember blaze]

i can see survival cause you got a melee fighter

i figured ranged fighters who want to be agile would want lighter armor or am i crazy

[ember blaze]

eh id want some actual gameplay than just extreme quality of life for a melee

survival is pretty close to something though

being able to leap back and forth if they want to

[deep pawn]

probably because they didn't want to do just 3 armor types and I guess didn't want mail to be abandoned after warriors and paladins upgraded to plate.

[clear apex]

They used to be leather and iirc at lv35 or so, they wore mail.
But i agree mail seems a bit weird.
Leather and bone/ scale makes sense

And somehow with leatherworking you make scales from animals into metal??

[ember blaze]

lots of armors just look weirdly platy

[glass flicker]

You know what would be cool? If specs had armor types tied to them, instead of being class-oriented.

Beastmastery and Marksmanship would wear Leather, Survival would wear Mail, so on.

I totally see an Enhancement Shaman in Mail, or an Elemental Shaman in Cloth.

[upper pasture]

that would be such a hassle to swap specs

[ember blaze]

yep. weapons suck already on that

like why is my weapon the same 2h or 1h but just has one main stat

[glass flicker]

I know right? It'd be tedious, I'd love it.

[upper pasture]

i'd rather not have to go back to having 2 differemnt sets to play two different specs

[thin warren]

Indeed, we had that once, not again please

[glass flicker]

Fine, but I'll complain the whole way.

We've too much convenience nowadays.

[thin warren]

oh yeah, imagine having to collect not 1 good set of gear, but 2, imagine you are a healer and want to do dungeons, but you also like to kill enemies without having to hit them 5 minutes, so you have to chose for dps gear first or healinggear second :p

sounds like no added value except annoyance

[clear apex]

🤔 armory system like ff14

Just auto equip when you change spec

[silent urchin]

that's existed fora long time, the issue is more getting the different sets

[sleek solar]

WTF MY COINS DID NOT SPENT

I bought the Twilight set a few hours ago, but it did not cost me any coins as they did not retract

[silent urchin]

They may have. In game sometimes has bad data. You can check on your battle.net account page (or /reload or relog and see if it updates)

[sleek solar]

Ohhh 😦

Yeah I see

Thats a bummer

I could have used the extra coins

[sleek solar]

You can check traders tender on your account page?

[silent urchin]

https://account.battle.net/transactions?tab=2 under the "battle.net" ecosystem (or just log in yourself and go to transaction history on the side menu and the virtual wallet tab on the top)

[sleek solar]

Ohhhhh

I didnt know that

It shows 20

This made me incredibly sad

[tropic trail]

Happy Xmas 🎄 I guess

[deep pawn]

the twilight set is still sorta cool at least

[tropic trail]

Oh yea, the thing is I can’t buy it cause I spent all my tokens for something else 🤣

[deep pawn]

I have tokens cause I'm very choosey haha

I avoid ground mounts usually and I didn't buy the scarab

I did get jebaited by one ground mount

this sucker

I think all mounts should fly though

oh, I bought the battle turtle too, didn't realize it was slow

I have 3570 right now but I may give in and buy the christmas staff or sword

[sleek solar]

Jesus

xD

https://tenor.com/view/very-very-tender-brian-marlow-smoked-reb-bbq-its-so-soft-its-very-delicate-gif-7677358284088704096

[deep pawn]

I tend to ask myself if I'll actually use the big purchases

[sleek solar]

You'll " Tend" ? xD

https://tenor.com/view/see-myself-out-gif-21716927

[ember blaze]

pets usually eat all my tenders

[deep pawn]

I avoid pets, I forget to summon them too much

[ember blaze]

i rarely summon them

[deep pawn]

I guess I have enough strength to not get things just to sit in a number collection if I'm not gonna use

It just sunk in they're gonna do mech suits for every season KSM

s2 is just gonna be goblin themed

Not sure how they'll make mech suits work for Roothome but I'm sure they'll find a way

It'll probably just be Titan themed cause of the Worldcore

mech suits are fine... better than the lizard, but still

I'd love more variety

[subtle oar]

Definitely not. That is the one thing I hate the most about FFXIV. There are mounts that just should not fly.

[deep pawn]

I just disagree on that

[glass flicker]

I don't know about that. Pinto was the first mount I ever got on Alliance. I'd feel more than a bit silly if a horse of such emotional significance suddenly got a HD remodel and started flying with rainbows out of his butt.

Actually, scratch that. It would be quite rad.

[deep pawn]

There's likely gonna be a wowcast before the ptr comes up you think?

Just to go into further detail

or do you think the direct was enough?

[rain cave]

I can understand in a "some mounts don't have flying animations" way. But it is kind of silly especially when it's new mounts being released

Like the plunder basilisks

Those are genuinely cool But will be forgotten and never used because ground mounts have no place

Unless they give all ground mounts the car stuff like they did with skyriding

Which could be very possible

[upper pasture]

i mean, that's not entirely true, we still use some ground mounts when in no flying zones like outdoor dungeons.

[glass flicker]

Or battlegrounds.

[rain cave]

But are you binding those like people do their normal mounts?

Or is that just more effort to go find it in your bars/ collection

My point is that there's no explicit reason to use a ground mount

Flying mounts act as ground mounts

[glass flicker]

An easy fix, in my opinion, would be to make ground mounts have combat utility. Either mounted combat, or FFXIV Chocobo-like utility. Maybe let us gather while mounted, but only on ground mounts, too.

[upper pasture]

if you have ground only mounts saved as favorite it will use those in places that no flying is unusable

so....yes i do bind those since i use the favored mount button i guess

[glass flicker]

This reminds me of how Legion allowed us to favorite mounts that will be used from Dalaran's flightpath. Even though flightpaths are now pretty much useless, I still want that at every main city flightmaster.

[upper pasture]

i did think that was a nice touch

and yes there's "no reason" to use a ground only mount if your in a dungeon and can mount a ground only version of your flying mount sure. but there's no real reason to trasmog your gear either. other than to look differently or "better".

[opaque pewter]

I use my raven lord mount often, for "no reason"

It was a little odd to read that statement lol

[glass flicker]

Y'all would never guess my favorite ground mount.

[upper pasture]

people will use the mounts they prefer wether or not it's a slight inconvenience

[upper pasture]

pinto or whatever that horses name is

[glass flicker]

Close, but no.

[upper pasture]

oddly enough thats my friends favorite ground mount lol

and the OG gryphon is his favorite flying mount lol

[glass flicker]

Hehe DONK

I love the Li'l Donkey from Arathi.

[deep pawn]

I try to use ground mounts in dungeons just so they aren't wasted space

Mecha-gone mount for example

[glass flicker]

Darn.

You reminded me I still don't have the Rustfeather mechanocycle.

[deep pawn]

hehe

me neither

[glass flicker]

High-five!

[rain cave]

I get what you mean

but it's also kinda undeniable that a bunch of mounts also go unusued BECAUSE they're ground limited

which is a shame since a lot of them are nice mounts I'm sure people would like to use

like the plunder basilisks

my bet is that they'll try address those with the car mechanics if nthey take them forward into future expansions

and have dynamic ground mounts

[deep pawn]

I'm so torn cause the easy solution is they'll just remove mounts from all dungeons outside of specific mechanics.

Or shorten timers

[clear apex]

There's a few flying mounts that make little sense, but we have them anyways

Why can't sarge fly (the hearthstone mount), he's got magic that let's him float as a special

He could run with magic

[sullen dawn]

yep but i dont think they will share the same mehcanics as the car

theyre likely to do 'families' for different types of ground mounts. its easier to make all flying mounts believably havy the same mechanics

but a frog mount doing drift or boosting would be weird AF

likely we'll get simple ones like 'horse' and 'wolf' to start, probably any cars and bikes will get the undermined treatment too

[rain cave]

we going guild wars lads

[sullen dawn]

It's a good model tbf

[rain cave]

true

[clear apex]

Imagine "drifting" on an animal ground mount

[pulsar minnow]

I mean that’s probably doable

Watch any video with a dog with zoomies running on a wood floor

That’s basically drifting

[clear apex]

I was being a bit rhetorical
And yeah it would be cool

[sullen dawn]

Lmao

[clear apex]

How often does blizzard send out surveys? I got a very interesting one last night

And if the things listed don't happen, I'm gonna be really sad

[pulsar minnow]

My fault. It’s hard to read tone over discord haha

[clear apex]

All good!

[upper pasture]

Depends, I got nothing for months but then 3 in like 2 weeks once. I guess it just depends on when/if they want feedback

[ember blaze]

what were they

[clear apex]

Not really supposed to say. They ask you not to.
I just wanted to know if they happen often.
This is only like the 4th or 5th I've ever gotten in 10+ years

[tulip sun]

Well not I'm curious 👀

They will never know

😂

[silent urchin]

https://x.com/algalon_ghost/status/1865117452683591904 another one, definitely feeling that ptr is soon

Algalon, Enigmatic Observer (@algalon_ghost) on X

New #Warcraft build found:
Vendor 3 (wowv3)🔐: 11.1.0.57928 --> 11.1.0.57988

Found at: 12-06-2024@07:33:46 UTC

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 7:33 PM

[deep pawn]

I didn't notice a survey in my emails last night but I don't get them very often

I imagine this one asked about WoD classic

[deep pawn]

Gimme ptr, I need to know who's getting reworks

It better be juicy with 11.0.7 having 0 class changes

[clear apex]

Mine i was, and all I'll say, was about classes that don't exist in game

Like stuff that would have to happen in tlt

[ember blaze]

wowhead makes articles about them all the time. it aint that serious

i havent gotten one recently but i had a few come up regularly. Might have been dropped off their list if i ignored some

[clear apex]

It was a nice survey too

[ember blaze]

oh i see why, emails from blizz are sent to my promotion spam tab on my email

got one sitting there from nov 14

[ember blaze]

im hoping we get some story hints towards tinker class

[deep pawn]

Classes not in game is interesting

It's highly likely we get a class in midnight or 13.0

If they asked about a Myrmidon class I'll giggle.

If we get Naga, I would totally be down for a Trident wielding class.

They can make use of the Naga tail

I'll have to check my blizzard email when I get home

[rain cave]

I mean maybe but I get the feeling we're full on classes and that they'll use hero specs to add new class content

[ember blaze]

would that require the itrnoduction of a new weapon 🤔

[rain cave]

not really

polearms exist

[ember blaze]

i hope not. one thing I fear from hero talents being introduced is relegating interesting concepts down to 3 talent points and calling it a day

[rain cave]

who's to say that's their limitation?

[deep pawn]

Tridents in game right now are polearms but a 2h piercing weapon with its own animations would rock

[ember blaze]

look at the sorry state dark ranger launched

[rain cave]

imo blizz could expand hero talents now

[ember blaze]

they made it better, but it would have been cool to have a full spec dedicated to it

[rain cave]

the base ones are simple the new ones change more

[deep pawn]

Most polearms would work as a piercing weapon too outside of those that are scythes

[ember blaze]

would have been cool to get a banshee transformation for a cooldown 💀

[deep pawn]

But it could be another polearm and staff class

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-sylvanas-banshee-monster-gif-10377054

entering cooldowns

[deep pawn]

Technically only agi druids, monks, and survival hunter use polearms right now.

I'm mostly memeing cause I'm big on playable Naga coming and them having a hero class wouldn't be shocking

I want Naga Demon hunters. I wanna see Eye Beam with a tail.

[rain cave]

give spellbreakers to warrior and let them be agi

[deep pawn]

Naga DH could also work if DH get a void hunter spec.

I'd assume any playable Naga would be grumpy at Azshara going full void

[deep pawn]

boo, no survey

[glass fulcrum]

I’m confused if I’m missing something but warriors paladins and dks also have them
Not just usable, but they have a good amount

Dragonbane lance comes to mind

[deep pawn]

They've gotten a bit better about given them rarely.

It's because I don't think DKs and Paladins can use them?

oh they can

It's just that Blizzard doesn't design many strength polearms

there hasn't been a single memorable str polearm in a long time even if the only expansion to not have a raid dropped str polearm is Cata.

Like who's gonna remember the polearm in Aberrus over Ashkandur?

Or Stygian Lance of Passasge over Jaithys

[rain cave]

have there ever been any unique one handed axes

as in ones that are "iconic" like jaithys and such

[glass fulcrum]

Dragonbane Lance from DF was pretty iconic visually

[rain cave]

are there any lore characters who use spears actually lmao xD

[glass fulcrum]

Leeroy!
Jokes aside:
Argus
Vol’Jinn
multiple Tauren characters

[deep pawn]

The fyrakk one handed tank axe was pretty cool. Totally overshadowed by the legendary

[dreamy dove]

Argus uses a scythe
Vol’jin uses a warglaives as all the shadowhunters

Lore characters that uses spears:
azshara (the javelin of zin’azshari)
Aman’thul
Kyrestia the firstborne
Cairne (even tho it looks like more like an halbeard but in the lore is describes as a spear)
Huln highmountain

[glass fulcrum]

For argus I was just going off what the weapon was classified as internally, but yeah thats fair

[sleek solar]

That is not the end of S1 right?

[deep pawn]

Nope

S1 ends when 11.1 goes live.

[lone mantle]

Season 2 will commence with the launch of the Undermine raid.

[silent urchin]

expect that late feb/early march

[dreamy dove]

Probably that’s becaouse the game files don’t make distinction between spears, halbeards, tridents etc; they are all classified as polearms

[glass fulcrum]

yeah i'm just saying i filtered by it to see if i recognized any notable items

[austere gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/916772082371665941/1314945313609482270/tiktok_1733577765041.mp4?ex=67559dc1&is=67544c41&hm=c95029645a759d1fbfcade7c774715ac8218f4096aa26c07f169b02fb45341de&

[deep pawn]

Need patch, I hope the ring is noticeably powerful

[ember blaze]

time gated ring powers

[clear apex]

I'm not excited about a ring that sounds like it'll be useless in 2 months

[silent urchin]

it'll be useful up to at least heroic of the new raid, I guess

but that's how all seasonal gear works

it's mostly just a little boost to anyone still doing any sort of progression

[clear apex]

Is this mid patch one that has any story that matters for tww or is that 11.1

I know they talked about dalaran stuff but i don't recall when that happens

[silent urchin]

there might be some, but it's not been on PTR

[clear apex]

Ok thanks

[silent urchin]

oh the dalaran stuff was in and testable

but it's a bit of a side thing compared to the main plot

I expect there's gonna be more of the titan disc quests

[clear apex]

I want more story content and anniversary stuff was not it (obviously)

[silent urchin]

and some minor build up to 11.1, but likely later in the patch

[deep pawn]

Supposedly not time gated at all

[silent urchin]

there will be some

For quicker PTR testing, we progress through the content faster on the PTR. Please note: When this content goes live, players will unlock different ring powers weekly over six weeks, leading to the ability to fly once all is completed.```

I believe the power stuff will all be in the first 3 weeks (although it may take a bit longer to max the ilvl)

and the last 3 weeks are various bonuses only on the isle

hard to be sure, though

[ember blaze]

common blizzard L

[deep pawn]

weird, other people were saying it wasn't lol.

[silent urchin]

people don't read the blue posts

mostly they only read wowhead headlines

[deep pawn]

Make it 4 so you can drop it immediately for Plunderstorm/s

[warm topaz]

11.1 PTR this week?

thoughts?

[silent urchin]

it's a strong maybe

If we do I suspect a lot of the story will be turned off

we might get like dailies and the DRIVE stuff

[tulip sun]

I wouldn't think until the week of 10.0.7 release ot the week afte

[deep pawn]

Can't

They are basically putting out 11.0.7 and going on vacation

[rose escarp]

Really hope so. News has been extremely stale lately.

[ionic terrace]

considering the .5 ptr realms are down/gone from realmlist, likely

[deep pawn]

Blessed be. I need spec reworks

[vernal juniper]

probably, next week is too late near xmas

so if they have problems they will have no time to fix it and they need to close it

[deep pawn]

No tweet about "join us for a wowcast" though

[ember blaze]

thats a big expectation

[deep pawn]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1tVMjKXmz5E?si=DdxDp8ox-PhyejMr

Wth

[sleek solar]

Hahahahaha wtfffffffffffff

[tropic trail]

Chickenz 🐔 🍗

[deep pawn]

Rumble PC beta!

[thin warren]

It seems I can play it in Belgium

[deep pawn]

\

[upper pasture]

oh no, cat attack

[glass fulcrum]

tragic

got insta muted 😭

[deep pawn]

indeed

Wonder what got deleted

[deep pawn]

so little communication the last 2 weeks.

[glass fulcrum]

I can't tell if you're joking or not, since you were the one who got muted

[deep pawn]

I only see the one message.

[glass fulcrum]

Ah, yeah so, prob on accident something on your keyboard

[deep pawn]

It was cat, I came back from dinner timed out

[glass fulcrum]

ye, figured something like that

you sent like 50 \ but anti-spam killed it

[ember blaze]

does it run better than mobile

[deep pawn]

I don't know, my phone can't run it at all

it's a beta, but the connection drops out a lot and I froze once.

has weird lag on loading screens

[ember blaze]

on phone i find it restarting a lot it gets annoying

[deep pawn]

oh, Blizzard messed something up

they deleted the pc data for rumble so no one can load it haha

[sleek solar]

When was 11.0.7 releasing?

I forgot about the shadowlands intro being bugged and unfinishable

I just got reminded

[thin warren]

Next week, @sleek solar

[sleek solar]

Ohhhh

Very niceee

[thin warren]

Onwards to the siren isle!

[tropic trail]

Hell yea!

[thin warren]

I almost finished all side quests in ringing deeps, now Hallowfall and azjkahet

[deep pawn]

Come on post at 1p

[sullen dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-family-guy-peter-griffin-balloon-family-guy-balloons-gif-26520720

[deep pawn]

Boo, just Diablo Immortal news.

[sullen dawn]

A 11.0.7 trailer too

But no Peter

[silent urchin]

why do I watch these videos thinking they'll tell us anything we haven't known for months already

[deep pawn]

they're not for those of us who check ptr notes

[thin warren]

but watching it is better than reading it!

[deep pawn]

11.0.7 ptr updating

[silent urchin]

barely any changes, only some UI scripts for plunderstorm, pretty much

[deep pawn]

the worst part of rumble, if you double click it crashes

[deep pawn]

I know it's a pc beta but come on, this feels incredibly shoddy

[deep pawn]

German website leaked the classes they're asking about

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2630723-The-War-Within-11-X-Patches-amp-World-Soul-Saga-Speculation-Thread/page4130?p=54607716&viewfull=1#post54607716

post with translation

Titanic themed tinker feels like an odd choice

Though one version having a support spec using the radiant song is cool sounding

[silent urchin]

it's not, they fucked up the questions somewhere

there's a "Konstrukteur" that's the proper tinker

[upper pasture]

Oh right, I got two surveys this afternoon to go take lol

[deep pawn]

It's possible the "tinker" means ideas they're tinkering with

[pulsar minnow]

really interesting they mentioned Witches in there. Wonder if we're going to get more story on the Drust in The Last Titan with the Vrykul and all

[deep pawn]

The Prismatic sounds nuts but doesn't feel like it fits what heroes of Azeroth can do.

Necromancer as a spec or class would be a perfect addition to Northrend. Taking charge of the remaining undead.

Visually, I gotta give it to the Astrologian. It's gorgeous in ff14 and would be gorgeous in WoW

Tuftlerklasse

[pulsar minnow]

"Titankiller: Titankillers combine the sword fragments of Taeshalach and Gorribal to use the powers of Gorshalach and connect to the cosmic powers of the titans, to destroy any threat to Azeroth."

[deep pawn]

oh, we're gonna blow up the sword

[pulsar minnow]

really love this one, mainly because its suggesting big lore stuff

maybe

Taeshalach is a strange mention though since it is an insanely important and powerful item in the lore but just relegated to a tmog for now

I really really hope Gorshalach will be canonized

[deep pawn]

Tuftler does mean tinker, but I'm gonna assume they mean "class tinkering"

[silent urchin]

There's literally this one Tinker: Genius inventors, who have uncovered the secrets of the titan technology, and using it to protect their allies, heal wounds and attack enemies. Through their understanding of machines. tinkers can create inventions (custom made skills/spells), control Mech-Suits and deploy mechanical constructs to create an advantage in combat.

[deep pawn]

I have to wonder what makes Tuftlerklasse a thing.

[silent urchin]

Anyway half of these are just ffxiv classes

[deep pawn]

cause it's differentiated from pistol and astrology

[silent urchin]

it's market research not product feedback

[deep pawn]

And the cata classic survey meant nothing either /hj

[silent urchin]

just with some legally distinct flavour thrown in there

well, there's no way they're putting 20 new classes in

maybe elements of some will show up

but I doubt any of them will be remotely like the blurbs presented here

and I maintain that tinker is never happening cause it's guaranteed to disappoint like 90% of the mutually exclusive fanfics people have written for it

[deep pawn]

These surveys tend to come close to when some concepts are ready. I remember the totemic shaman survey

If I had a choice I'd pick the Azeroth Bard

[rain cave]

inb4 this is just classic+ stuff

[deep pawn]

It asks about a radiant song class

[rain cave]

bard would be so weird actually since there's not been much musical fantasy in WoW

[silent urchin]

I think bard is more realistic than tinker, although I don't know what the non support specs would be

[deep pawn]

Since it's using Azeroth magic it can easily be support, heal, dps, but that feels a lot like evoker.

[rain cave]

disagree, tinkers have precedence since wc3

bards would need to be introduced from scratch

[silent urchin]

yes, but engineer has been in game since vanilla

[deep pawn]

I do think the survey explanation for Bard would fit for Azeroth

[rain cave]

So have things like enchanting, inscription and blacksmithing and that hasn't stopped them using elements of that in class design

[deep pawn]

Plus a whole class with that gold and blue spell effects would be cool.

[rain cave]

Are they pitching bard as azerite themed?

[deep pawn]

Radiant Song

[rain cave]

Ehh it would fit lorewise but idk if it would then fit what people want from a bard

[deep pawn]

Music with a support spec

I'm gonna wager at the end of TWW it'll be a much clearer song.

[rain cave]

Yeah but it would be like chimey vocal music

[deep pawn]

Assuming it can't be modulated

[rain cave]

Whereas most people who play bards like the sort of rogueish handsome musician style

Like the protagonist in the dnd movie

Or even the bard stuff in gw2 in a way

[deep pawn]

Blizzard has clearly felt that type of bard doesn't fit Azeroth or we'd have it by now.

[rain cave]

I mean I suppose, but also they've just not really played into magical music in the magic system

Wows magic is built around epic not cheeky xD

[ember blaze]

we got mobs using drums to kill you tho

from like dragonflight\

the fuck were those giants called

i remember one pulling out drums

[upper pasture]

Djaradin or whatever

[ember blaze]

I would love an echanter mage support spec

Just throwing out enchants on my allies to give them cool buffs

[deep pawn]

a radiant song bard would be more epic magic than cheeky

[upper pasture]

Doesn’t holy paladins do that now? And didn’t they try that with one of the priest hero talents and people shit all over it?

[deep pawn]

that's literally augmentation

[upper pasture]

And Aug yeah

[ember blaze]

okay? i want more?

[deep pawn]

Same but something as simple as "mage buffs" would struggle to differentiate from evoker

[ember blaze]

if they can pull off 5 specs using holy magic. and fire/fel/shadow, they can do it again

[deep pawn]

I do hope they skip on the Prismatic concept.

It really feels outside the scope of WoW using 5 different pure magics

[ember blaze]

need yall to vote yes on this if yall get the survey

its time hunters stop monopolizing ranged weapons

and applying elemental effects to their weapons?

so it would have visuals unlike hunters

also holy shit this is also something i wanted more of after what theyve done recently with like that void talent for priests

i want more space stuff lol

[deep pawn]

I think it'd be pretty stars vs void's black holes

[deep pawn]

It's possible that they meant Artificer

and that just translate identical in German

[rain cave]

More gravity lapse style stuff for mages

Like the astrology boss in nighthold

[hazy kettle]

@deep pawn Kyle, Baby, Smoochums - TL;DR me, hotstuff. I know this is about MMOChampion and some speculation / leak, are we talking new concepts / changes to hero talents here or is this just some moon-rock sniffing "16 NEW CLASSES TO BE INTRODUCED IN MIDNIGHT"

[clear apex]

You're not supposed to be sharing these

It says in the survey to not

[upper pasture]

they are just grabbing the screens from MMOchamp

[clear apex]

Good way to get peoples hopes up though, i imagine

[rain cave]

I mean that's just leaks, people will share them if there's nothing physically stopping them

there's been bigger leaks discussed on here lmao

[upper pasture]

oh forsure. it's just leak talk tho.

[rain cave]

this isn't even normal leak discussion though since it is something blizz put out there to the public in a way

[upper pasture]

most of them look like FF classes anyways so until something is datamined or confirmed i'm putting no water in them

[rain cave]

a lot of the discussion around leaks is trying to figure out if they're even real xD

[clear apex]

Is real.

That's the survey i received

It wasn't supposed to be shared. It asked before the class page to not share it

[rain cave]

tbf these could be something they do with an event rather than add to the core game as well

like a plunderstorm/remixy thing

[clear apex]

Hmm IDK about that

It has direct class refs to titans and stuff

[rain cave]

yeah I'm aware but also a lot of these could be constructed out of other classes visuals and themes

and just general vfx from other stuff

[clear apex]

I do wonder how bard would tank

[rain cave]

like astrologician could be balance druid/mage vfx

[clear apex]

Ehhh

[rain cave]

as well as just general elune vfx and astrology vfx from other places

[clear apex]

The class description is not druid like it feels more mage or even priest

[rain cave]

witch is shaman/druid/priest

its not about class fantasy it's about magic type

[clear apex]

Witch has similarities to warlock

[rain cave]

that too

but not much

just some of the plagues/hexes

[clear apex]

Nothing like lancer exists.
But i put that with paladin

[clear apex]

And familiars

Astro def has moon magic but feels like gravity and actual meteors isn't very druid

[ember blaze]

do you work for blizzard?

you are taking this way too serious

like the fbi is gonna knock down your door

and these get leaked all the time and wowhead posts about them, im sure blizzard knows they get out eventually

[deep pawn]

A fan page posted it, so I consider discussion of news posted elsewhere fair game.

And I'm sure Blizzard knows the fastest way to get something leaked is to say please don't leak this

The housing survey in Shadowlands was shared immediately.

These classes are probably TLT related

[ember blaze]

and further confirmation more support specs are on the table

[deep pawn]

I'm still holding out hope for a Naga Trident class for Midnight and a Void Hunter spec for DHs.

[ember blaze]

void hunter? 🤔

why for dh and where does it come from

[deep pawn]

Void and Fel are "neighbors" we're uniting the Elves against the Void and DHs are a bit aimless right now.

[ember blaze]

[deep pawn]

I have 0 inside info, I just think it'd be cool.

Plus my Midnight dream is the Naga get their own special Trident class AND they get to be DHs too

Since Naga have reasons to be grumpy at Demons and the Void.

[hazy kettle]

... can we have dragoon Naga? 👀

[clear apex]

Id like to see how they launch themselves

[ember blaze]

void wings

[glass flicker]

Personally, I'd be excited for a pistollero class. Outlaw rogues use a handgun, Katherine Proudmoore uses a handgun, Priscilla Ashvane uses a handgun. Give us a handgun-only class.

Either that, or give us a hoplite. One-handed spear and shield.

Or, and this would be the better option, allow warrior tanks to use a 2H weapon and shield.

[clear apex]

That's what the Gunslinger would be pretty much

[ember blaze]

yeah a dual wielding pistol class is something i wanted for a long time

and i like the idea theyre cooking up on the survey

[glass flicker]

Bullet Ballet is just friggin' cool.

[upper pasture]

tank class using two shields 👀

[ember blaze]

agile and using magic if i read that right

[glass flicker]

Gets me wanting to rewatch Equilibrium.

Y'all seen that movie?

[ember blaze]

nope

[glass flicker]

Dark Souls 3 door.

[clear apex]

Paladin dual shield, just avenger shield x2

[glass flicker]

https://youtu.be/70Z2t7nq_sU?si=qgv7r0guDcjgMocI

Seriously imagining this right now.

[ember blaze]

cool premise, i might watch it

[upper pasture]

personally i'm more for more support classes

i love me some support classes

[clear apex]

Bard in ff14 is fun with song support

Dps and buff you

[glass flicker]

Augmentation Evokey

Basically our Bard.

[clear apex]

I could see blizzard making it guitar based over harp and violin

[ember blaze]

auras with bard sound cool, but at the same time.... WoW combat wanting you to move 24/7......

[clear apex]

🤔 keytars?

[glass flicker]

Bouzouki?

Love me a good lute.

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/laurens-dualwielding-tea-and-bouzouki-strumming-gif-17481760

Embed failure.

Rip me.

There we go. It sent now.

[ember blaze]

that witch stuff would be cool though with decay magic

i remember posting a blizzard concept thing with that green spray

would be cool

[deep pawn]

Give me artificer bard

[tropic trail]

This ain’t lute. It’s Irish bazouki 😂

[glass flicker]

Yes? Scroll up.

[glass flicker]

I said it here.

[tropic trail]

A yea right 😂 didn’t notice no glasses on

[glass flicker]

Yes. And bouzoukis are from the lute family. Look it up.

[tropic trail]

lol I know 😅

[sleek solar]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[deep pawn]

give PTR dang it, lol.

[sullen dawn]

Next week!

[deep pawn]

bleh

better pray its a stable build then

[upper lantern]

I just want to see the new transmogs and mounts lol

think we'll get 11.1 PTR next week?

[silent urchin]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24165119

nothing really new but does have the full ring timeline

has start but not end dates for timeways/plunderstorm

I guess giving themselves room incase 11.1 takes a delay

seems to imply the 11.1 prologue might be available immediately?

[vernal juniper]

well I think ptr should be today

or never

Next week is improbable imho, with patch releasing and people fixing random bugs and xmas in 10 days, sounds improbable

[clear apex]

most companies (unsure about office workers) only let you off for christmas eve and day.
I dont know what blizzard does

[tulip sun]

I think they typically let off more

[upper pasture]

christmas eve/day is tuesday/wed this year they will probably have monday off too and maybe possibly the whole week tbh

sure there might be a small handful of people there on thursday/friday but not everyone

[opaque pewter]

iirc it's the full week, as least for artists

[deep pawn]

Blizzard usually shuts down for 2 whole weeks

This year for example I wouldn't expect anything from the end of the 20th to the start of the 6th

[deep pawn]

Guess on Wednesday or Thursday for ptr. I just pray it's a stable build

[deep pawn]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/mmo/wows-newest-raid-will-build-on-20-years-of-large-group-encounters-with-new-twists-and-perhaps-less-help-from-mods/ Is this article pulling from a previous interview or is this something new?

[ember blaze]

"and some entirely new features that players haven't yet seen" tinker confirmed

[deep pawn]

haha

It quotes Ion but I don't know from when.

[silent urchin]

It seems to be new quotes, but still feels like an interview from the reveal

maybe just cutting up some stuff they didn't previously publish

[harsh mason]

This is new, at least I don't remember any details of the raid before that.

[warm topaz]

yep

same

[deep pawn]

Well if new ptr interviews are happening that gives more hope for next week

[ember blaze]

link?

[glass fulcrum]

"If" is the key word

[warm topaz]

i mean, delay 11.1 ptr till january is kinda crazy

[deep pawn]

The real testing won't be til then anyways.

6-8 weeks to test all endgame seems fast but they barely needed testing on this content

[sullen dawn]

I think the interview just had a delayed release

[harsh mason]

They are testing the patch themselves anyway, so players can be given 1 month to test

[deep pawn]

The raiders at least hate raids with minimal testing

[ember blaze]

see, setting up tinkers

thats the teaser for the mech tank tinker spec

[silent urchin]

each boss only gets like 2-3 hours of public testing anyway, can probably do that in about 3 weeks if they want

[deep pawn]

I do think they're gonna settle for artificer over tinker.

[ember blaze]

thats just "titan" tech over just goblin/gnome right