#beta-ptr-spoilers

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sullen dawn
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But as you say it's all likely start of Nov

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Some people already know the full scope of 11.0.7 as well as a lot of what 11.1 is about in datamining groups due to some key measups

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But not sharing as it's a bit too much to leak. Not really the same as sharing datamining from a current ptr build a few days before testing

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*messups

deep pawn
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Indeed, I haven't seen any of those leaks because those are actual leaks

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Well I imagine we'll be getting thinly veiled videos from content creators soon

sullen dawn
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The people who know aren't sharing it until blizz is ready. They're not media whores haha and don't wanna get in trouble either. Plus respect for the Devs

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Spoiling patches months in advance would be kinda lame

rain cave
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the undersea where the kobyss come from has real potential for a spooky patch

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like it would be pitch black down there probably, with only some of beledars light reaching the upper areas

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and I feel they have some weird link to Xalatath

zealous sedge
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I feel as though since the coreway has been damaged, the alternative way to get to the worldsoul chamber will be through the undersea in Hallowfall

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This is based on the assumption that the coreway even leads to the worldsoul

upper pasture
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i mean, didn't the latest titan fragment quest this week tell us the coreway was a direct path to the worldsoul?

rain cave
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seems like such a crazy vulnerability

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especially since we know that sure, it's blocked off on our end. But there could very well just be some random tunnel under there that reconnects back into the coreway just a bit further down

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and Xal could just float down there

upper pasture
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i'm sure there are titan defenses that unknowningly we will turn off and make her time getting in easier.

zealous sedge
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But it sounds like there are "stay a while and listen" quests that reference an island near Dorn that the goblins are interested in. I'm guessing that's 11.1?

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but then again we also have the roots in Azj'Kahet. I'm curious if they will leave the undersea out entirely. It kind of feels like a loose end but at the same time there was only one side quest chain that really referenced the sea

deep pawn
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we went to an island for 10.0.7, this island the goblins found could be smaller, like Timeless Isle size

austere gazelle
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ok so " undermine " items might just be to designate the goblins assets, then the small patch will feature goblins and an island, and the next big patch will be the rootlands. Maybe the gallywix goblins will try to invade it and steal something there we'll have to get in the undermine raid

sullen dawn
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(only half joking)

sullen dawn
sullen dawn
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But I guess the titans needed easy access themselves. It was probably heavily defended

dense plover
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No way we don’t go to the underground goblin zone during the underground expac

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I mean, it’s very likely we will have underground zones more regularly now since the wrath remaster will probably have one but especially this expac

sullen dawn
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I'm a huge supporter of Undermine coming

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I was just correcting the specific point that the datamined items included the word undermine

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They'd be mad not to have it though. It's been in the lore for so long, people talk about it a lot, and they could be very creative with a zone like that

sullen dawn
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Although the temptation to go full nostalgia bate must be high haha

dense plover
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I just mean regarding the locations generally speaking

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Though I definitely expect zones to be combined and probably renamed

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Either that or WAY bigger

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Depends how much has changed

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But I expect we will finally revisit the nerubian zone underneath that they didn’t have the tech for back then

sullen dawn
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Merging zones etc..

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Like I could see Elwyn forest, duskwood, and westfall become 'Elwynn'

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As an example

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You'd still have sub zones but it'd allow them to follow their modern zone design philosophies

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And yeh we're definitely getting an underground zone in TLT (and probably another one through patch content). I expect that's when we'll finally get tinkers too

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I could see a nerubian underground zone at launch, and a titan one for final or middle patch

deep pawn
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I don't see us visiting all of Northrend.

rain cave
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tbf they've kind of set up the systems for undermine

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here's an underground city where you're dealing with different factions trying to overthrow an established government

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fits well into what a goblin city would be like

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instead of pheromones we get ID cards given to us by mafia members, and we have some different gangs/cartels backing us up to overthrow the blackfuse or whoever is incharge

deep pawn
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It has to be an entire city even if Undermine is supposed to be massive.

rain cave
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I'm just curious if the roots and goblins will interplay in the same patch

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or if those are the two patches this xpac

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but I get the vibes that rootlands are first.

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because having back to back big tree life patch as the finale for 2 expansions in a row seems a bit whack

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and orweyna is being set up more predominantly, before the goblins

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but who knows

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but yeah, rootlands with the raid being a combination of goblins, old god blood infecting the roots and creating monstrosities, and probably whoever is deceiving the Harronir. Which I assume will happen.

deep pawn
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Well we know in 11.0.7 or 11.1 we're going to go find this crystal the goblins found. It's possible it's close to Roothome as well, but I don't know.

rain cave
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then goblins teased in root raid, second patch is undermine

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the big question for me is, is the crystal on the surface or in the undersea

deep pawn
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Whatever we're doing next is at least partially on the surface

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It's on the surface. The Arathi are building a airship port on Dorn.

rain cave
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ah ok

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very curious to know if it actually even is the tip of beledar

austere gazelle
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I'm pretty sure the Goblin raid won't be the final patch. But will be the Mega dungeon

rain cave
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though perhaps the roots are the mega dungeon

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we know they're not afraid to do big lore moments in mega dungeons

austere gazelle
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It'd fit the pattern, we had side stuff like mechagon, then Tazavesh, then DotI

rain cave
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mechagnomes were introduced through a mega dungeon. Dawn of the infinite literally sets up world soul saga

austere gazelle
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And Gallywix was spotted in Tazavesh mega dungeon ( when that doesnt mean stuff but if they are linked ... )

rain cave
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would be hilarious if ethereal raid and goblin raid are the same

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and it's like a mishmash of them

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they're pretty similar in a lot fo ways

austere gazelle
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I'm sure they will be linked somehow. Gallywix using the Etheral / brokers aid to claim back Undermine

rain cave
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honestly gallywix being nexus princess's boss would be a brilliant twist

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since it doesn't seem ethereal to be putting bounties on random people

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or voidy

austere gazelle
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Imagine Gallywix stealing the Black blood to fuel his next invention or goblins

rain cave
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the trade prince and the nexus princess

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fits

austere gazelle
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Throw a Ve'nari in the mix as an ally inside all of this stuff

deep pawn
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Undermine as a mega dungeon would be a flop

rain cave
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I don't think it would flop per-se. Sure people want it as a raid, but large % of people don't even think about stuff like we do

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they just wait till the announcement and react to that

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but the more I think about it, the rootlands make more sense as a mega dungeon with undermine as a raid. tied into the goblin, ethereal and harronir stories

rose escarp
rain cave
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goblins want to harvest the roots for some reason, and there's black blood infecting the roots. Mega dungeon for that and introduces the harronir in their own mini zone. But then sets up Undermine as we chase the goblins back to their city, and we find out Gallywix is dealing with void ethereals and potentially xalatath

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makes sense to me

deep pawn
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People want Undermine as a zone if not a full expansion

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I do think our last raid will be the manifold

rain cave
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would be funky if we ended up fighting mother back in the heart chamber

pulsar minnow
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It’s an underground city of goblins, and this is the underground expansion

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There’s really no better opportunity than now

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Seems devs agree since “goblin raid” weapons are a thing in the files

deep pawn
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I think a raid where we teleport from facility to facility would be nuts

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Last fight can be "Heart of the Manifold" right above the world soul.

pulsar minnow
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Ever since this expansion was announced my personal theory has been that the final zone would be a massive Titan facility

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Something like ulduar mixed with Moria from lord of the rings

deep pawn
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The manifold is world spaning and connections every facility we already know of

pulsar minnow
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Yeah but it’s also been broken

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A lot

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Dornogal was essentially cut off from the rest of it after the sundering

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So we might just see a small section in a zone

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And then a “Heart of the Worldsoul” raid

uncut vault
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Orweyna shows up first, but the main location of the haranir isn't even explicitly mentioned anywhere, just that theyre not from here

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meanwhile the goblins show up in the same zone, and explicitly mention Undermine multiple times

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and are now getting immediate story set-up in 11.0.5, while so far the haranir aren't at all

silent urchin
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I really don't like the sound of a side adventure to undermine

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or anywhere really

dense plover
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The goblins even play an antagonist role in the endgame story

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It’s very clear they’re gonna be important sooner rather than later

silent urchin
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They're not even hinted at as caring about the main plot threads tho, they just want to make money

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dedicating 1/3rd of the expansion to rehashing one of the plots they gave us in a short story with no connection to the main plotline just feels really weird

thin warren
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Is it just me or is the end of the current campaign a bit... easy? I mean, Xalatath is ||so superpowerfull, she blows up whole Dalaran, she evades every attack made on her without even breaking a sweat and since those encounters she has been sucking up a lot of energy... now Alleria is like "haha, i will just hit your special thingy" and bang, she is gone.||

austere gazelle
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Then we have the siege of undermine with gallywix trying to conquer the city with his newfound army

silent urchin
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Yeah I found it a little abrupt, was hoping for much more out of the max level campaign

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the not quite weekly titan discs have given a bit of waht I wanted

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but with 11.0.5 not appearing to have much story, wait to actually find out what's going on is getting a bit long

rain cave
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which makes sense in the context of how she was perceiving alleria, since she assumed alleria was still completely consumed on targeting her. Something she exploited multiple times before

rain cave
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because orweyna and the harranir were found first in the files iirc, they were detected way earlier as a potential plot thing. They even appear in the main campaign more than the goblins, the goblins were a side quest. And we have roots everywhere, and she's in the main cinematic

deep pawn
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If the leaks are as expansive as reported, dataminers know what's next.

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Kinda stunned 11.1 music is in the files already haha

warm topaz
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👀

silent urchin
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supposedly some build got uploaded unencrypted and people datamined it

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But no ones really sharing it publicly

deep pawn
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For good reason. Real leaks like these are a good way to get blacklisted

warm topaz
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i could see why

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was a 11.0.7 build?

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or a 11.1?

deep pawn
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11.0.7

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I don't believe 11.1 is on the encrypted servers yet

warm topaz
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yeah is not, i was checking on Algalon bot

silent urchin
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yeah I get that wowhead definitely wouldn't touch it, but a little surprised no one on twitter has mentioned stuff, as far as I know

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screwing around with encryption is definitely a pretty fast way to get banned

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and probably for blizz to start restricting it more

sleek solar
rain cave
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the one time she was physically there we beat her

thin warren
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and the power she was usurping in the endgame cinematic?

rain cave
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which shows her weakness

silent urchin
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I think she was physically there in dalaran, although not at first

rain cave
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xal is not someone who excels at face to face conflict

thin warren
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i don't know, it might be lorewise correct, but it seems like such a cheap solution :p

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1 arrow, bam, done

rain cave
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Alleria is a powerful ranger. And there's nothing to say the dark heart isn't fragile

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just because something is powerful doesn't mean it's sstrong

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the dark heart is a prototype dragon soul apparently, key word prototype there. That thing could be held together with duct tape in a manner of speaking

silent urchin
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I kinda doubt it's gone for good

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we still don't really know what it is for sure, or what xalatath was trying to do with it

rain cave
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it's not gone, we can be sure of that

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it was cracked not destroyed. Xal is now just less cocky and isn't going to be parading that thing around. Wouldn't be surprised if that's why she doesn't show her face much if at all for the resst of the xpac

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she's realized we're on to her more than maybe she's comfortable with, so she's going to set other plans in motion to delay us

thin warren
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It sucked up ancient power from the peotodragon in Dragonflight, then the power in Dalaran and now it was sucking up power from the cathedral

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Meh

sleek solar
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Dark heart is damaged, not destroyed

thin warren
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Maybe

sleek solar
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Not maybe

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If it was destroyed, we would have seen that

deep pawn
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I miss the Monday schedule posts

sullen dawn
# warm topaz was a 11.0.7 build?

11.0.7, as Kyle said 11.1 isn't on any reachable server right now. But 11.0.7 contained a couple music tracks and some text via strings that gave away 11.1 theme/focus

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warm topaz
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and how you guys know that? i would love to read the source for more context

sullen dawn
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Id rather not get into it tbh

warm topaz
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oh okay

sullen dawn
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Not trying to be rude. I don't actually know the contents of the patch myself

sullen dawn
deep pawn
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Music is usually the last thing each patch I feel

sullen dawn
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It is yeh

warm topaz
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i believe that 11.0.7 is that island with that crystal that some npcs mention in 11.0.5 ptr

sullen dawn
deep pawn
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I'm not sure. Unless it's a really small island.

warm topaz
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just like forbidden reach was 10.0.7

deep pawn
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Forbidden reach was already made

sullen dawn
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It would move things forward quite a bit pacing wise

deep pawn
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It could be the surface and we go to an underground zone from it in 11.1

sullen dawn
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Id like to see more mechagon style zones

warm topaz
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i saw the Porter analysis on wowhead about those hints refering to SoD, Xal and the crystal, it's really cool

sullen dawn
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That patch with nazjatar and mechagon I think is my favourite post launch patch ever

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So much content, two awesome themes, raid was badass

deep pawn
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It did mean no last raid zone

sullen dawn
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Everything post nzoth release was meh imo

warm topaz
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we need some lore tbh, you think 0.5 have something hidden?

sullen dawn
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But up until that point it was my favourite expansion

silent urchin
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afaik there's at least some encrypted quests in 11.0.5

sullen dawn
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Ive kind of hated the story from nzoth getting released until now. It's only starting to improve again now with TWW

silent urchin
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there's quite a few updated NPCs in dornogal

sullen dawn
warm topaz
silent urchin
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there's a lot more horde/alliance in general

sullen dawn
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Except for one

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Silver covenant person

silent urchin
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yeah I'm not expecting much more than like.. titan disc weeklies

sullen dawn
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Breadcrumb stuff yeh

silent urchin
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there's also magni speaking to a bunch of eathern that seems like there's some dialogue still hidden

rain cave
ember blaze
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corruption just made it really fun, well, when they added the vendor at least 💀

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and visions were kinda cool

deep pawn
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Systems ended in a good spot with an accessible raid

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Story was a bit weak

rain cave
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it's weird because the actual build up to the story for N'zoth was quite good

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even down to us getting the black blade in raid

deep pawn
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Nyalotha is the only time I've killed mythic bosses while current

rain cave
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and using it

deep pawn
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I still haven't finished the eye questline. I wasn't playing that patch

rain cave
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some of the moments during the nzoth fight as well, with him showing us some moments he wwas listening in on

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rain cave
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but then the ending of just friendship blasting him lmao

sullen dawn
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War mode, allied races, the story, and islands were all big wins for me

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Plus dungeons were cool

rain cave
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if they'd played it the opposite, where we friendship blast the carapace to get to his brain then Wrathion stabs core nzoth with the black blade and the final cinematic shows the blade writhing with his essence before being lost

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that would have been sick

sullen dawn
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Id rather nzoth had just won

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And then effed off to do "something"

pulsar minnow
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Welp. Ethereal Raid looks to be happening

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S3 PvP tabard

rain cave
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ooh? where's that from

pulsar minnow
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Datamined

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WoWhead just posted an article on it

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Going to K’aresh would make sense considering the attention on Alleria and mentions of Dimensius

rain cave
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tbf those are PvP

pulsar minnow
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True but in DF and this expansion they’ve followed the theme of the patch

rain cave
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don't have to necessarily be same theme as the patch right?

upper pasture
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just looks like xal'atath tabard tbh

ember blaze
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season 3?

upper pasture
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the cloak with it makes it give big xal vibes

pulsar minnow
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Looks very much like ethereal stuff tho

upper pasture
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have you looked at Xal'atath?

pulsar minnow
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Well yeah

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They’re void. They got a similar aesthetic

sullen dawn
pulsar minnow
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But considering this looks very ethereal and we already had “Ethereal_Raid” stuff datamined…

pulsar minnow
sullen dawn
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I know people say it makes sense for midnight but imo midnight finale is more likely void home plane with Azshara etc..

sullen dawn
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TLT is post void

pulsar minnow
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I imagine that maybe the crystal the arathi go to find ends up being a void crystal and explodes opening a portal or smth

sullen dawn
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I think they can escalate beyond k'aresh for the void

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Could go super weird and actually have us someone unmake ourselves and enter the void plane in Midnight

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Go full cosmic horror

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Itd be cool if Azshara had actually taken over the void lmao and she was final boss of Midnight

rain cave
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that cloak is naaru runes I'm pretty sure

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beledar ethereal raid?

silent urchin
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doubt it, beledar isn't important

rain cave
rose escarp
rain cave
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that's a good point actually, I bet they'll want to keep seamless zone changes

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wherever we go

silent urchin
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there's a lot of giant world soul crystals, none of them is individually a big deal. We're almost certainly going down the coreway to the world soul itself (presumably in TLT)

rain cave
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Beledar is quite important methinks

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in the context of this expansion

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Xalataths first grand plan culminated in her going for it

pulsar minnow
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If Beledar really just is “calcified energy” that would be incredibly lame

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Like sure it reveals that Azeroth is not just one element and firmly establishes she’s not a Titan

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But cmon they can do soooo much more with it

rain cave
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it's definetly more i think

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they said it's calcified energy of the worldsoul. But how do they know it's our worldsoul

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especially when beledar looks different compared to the other crystals in the hologram

pulsar minnow
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True. It also could be “of our world soul” but be some actual living thing like it appears to be

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Ie: a literal child of Azeroth

rain cave
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oh that could be interesting

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Azeroth has leylines, which is inherent arcane energy scattered around the planet. But no other force has it like this, but if we have evidence of there being crystallized forms of these elements around, let me propose this:

The blue child is actually the arcane crystal that was ripped out by someforce or another and put into a moon, and the "ripping out" caused the leylines to be basically the cracks

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and perhaps the coreway was being constructed so the titans could push it back in all the way to the worldsoul

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after all sargeras was aiming around ther coreway, perhaps he wanted to get his sword all the way in

silent urchin
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what if there was a big ol void crystal at the end of aberrus, and iridikron ran off with it. He is able to reshape earth at will, to the scale of entire mountains, and we never figured out what was down there

rain cave
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the blue child has even been drawn more like a nightborne compared to elune (or the moon)

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and we know they're the most arcane infused race we have arguably

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not to mention the blue childs importance with the aspects, specifically the blue dragonflight back in cata with the legendary staff.

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also, the eye of eternity looks like a giant crystal crater where the leylines converge, and the blue dragons were charged with its protection

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**blue ** child, blue dragonflight

sleek solar
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YASSSSS Shadowlands raids nerf finally happening

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Sepulcher still hard to do Mythic solo

ember blaze
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dont see why it's so crazy to you know, just let you one shot everything once an expac is long over

rain cave
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I think it's so that the perceived prestige from the expansion lasts longer

sleek solar
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To remove the "I will just farm it after this expansion is over" and let low droprate mounts be rare

rain cave
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specifically for the last raid as well

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they've had a history of trying avoid naxxrammas situations literally since forever

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or well since naxx obv

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if people are too focused on the next thing that's coming out they won't play the current thing for what it is

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and mechanically making older raids easier as a routine when a new expac comes out would mean people look forward to that as opposed to just playing

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I will admit though it is kind of sad that we have this huge wealth of mechanics and design just sitting irrelevant in the past

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I think they should have a bit more confidence bringing raids back

sleek solar
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How they currently handle raids is good imo, I will curse at them while I farm something, but that feeling when you get the drop you wanted is soooo good

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I screamed when I got G.M.O.D xD

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Same with the Infinite timereaver while leveling an alt lol

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If I just braindead run through a raid like what I do in ICC, everything just blands together and become boring really fast

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I dont even run ICC that much anymore because it feels like a long braindead chore

rain cave
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I do wonder if it would be healthier to basically make raid relevant consistently, even from older expansions. But make them dungeonized, and just have basic timewalking gear tier (maybe a bit higher) unless they are in the current timewalking rotation

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so people aren't just going back and onetapping the ICC bosses anymore, but they're about normal dungeon difficulty

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so if you're uber geared it still a cakewalk. But you can use them for levelling + getting basic gear

rose escarp
austere gazelle
# rose escarp That would make the whole potential connection to K’aresh even more awesome, if ...

They said it was Azeroth's essence crystallised.
However, noticing the first paragraph of Chronicles, they said that "'shards of light were expelled and projected into the cosmos, ending up on planet and seeding life "

Here, the crystal seems to have come from inward. Its possible Azeroth is the one who projected those into the cosmos and seeded life. Its possible Azeroth is the source (or one of the source ) of the Light (An'she ? ) , maybe those crystal ended up on Ka'resh and there you have your link, Azeroth may have seeded life across the cosmos, spreading her radiant echo and radiant song that make dream and memories real and tangible, hence seeding life on other planet. The First ones just put shackles on her to make her sleep because she erupted violently and spread chaotic stuff across the cosmos

rose escarp
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That never fully confirmed that Beledar was exactly that – but certainly heavily implied and theorized by Dagran. If it’s Azeroth – and that there’s seemingly countless others like it – what makes it special, then? 🤷‍♂️

It being somehow attuned by a part of K’aresh’s essence would make sense that the Radiant Song felt so similar, would potentially explain the voidy-thing that makes it special – and why it seems to come from Beledar, specifically. How that happened would obviously be a mystery, but given how void is often seen connected to teleportation in general… well.

That Beledar was chosen could’ve been because of the Arathi… but that also makes it exceedingly more important as to how they were teleported down there in the first place.

Or, a sort of middle way, that this shard was specifically attuned by K’aresh, seeing the potential force of resistance from the Arathi. We simply don’t fully know yet.

rose escarp
sullen dawn
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Could be all the chunks of crystal are doing the same thing

rose escarp
rain cave
sullen dawn
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Just currently infused with light and void (not natural state)

rain cave
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What could have caused that then

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It even has Naaru looking runes

austere gazelle
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Well remember that Elune supposedly took part in the creation of the Naaru. Elune being supposedly the child of Azeroth, there you have your link ( + anshe )

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Naaru may very well be forged from the Essence of Azeroth herself.

rain cave
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But then why the strict light focus?

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I'm really gravitating towards that blue child speculation we had actually

timid cypress
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can anyone log at PTR ?

silent urchin
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No, it's been down since thursday or so

deep pawn
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Patch is Tuesday

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Love the long na downtime

sullen dawn
sleek solar
austere gazelle
sleek solar
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I also saw a (satire) theory about the adventurers being children of Azeroth, which could be the reason we are so OP xD

austere gazelle
sleek solar
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Could be

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But she truly is the sister of her, as seen during the time she spoke through Tyrandr

rain cave
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As in if we assume azeroth is this God of potential, her power can reshape and manifest reality. The jailer wanted to use her for that, and the radiant echoes are literally that

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Us mortals have the power to change fate in ways thought impossible

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from the light, void and orders perspective

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We've seen it time and time again. Someone predicts our downfall and their defeat was an option that wasn't even in their visions

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Meanwhile in the shadowlands we had a prophecy saying we'd save them. Coming from the robots in a building that has flecks of azerite and are obsessed with fate and mortals

silent urchin
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I'm sure I remember it being made canon around legion that somewhat immortal adventurers due to azeroths power were the only reason azeroth remained the only planet that hadn't fallen to a cosmic power

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but I can't find the source of it

rain cave
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And the heart of azeroth/ our link to it is what let us traverse the maw and escape

pulsar minnow
silent urchin
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Apparently there might still be a few other planets with life, but according to xe'ra azeroth is the brightest (i.e. the prime, I guess)

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from a legion short story

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But there was something specific about DH having the immortal demon soul and every other adventurer also being somewhat special, even compared to regular azeroth inhabitants, that I can't find

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so maybe misremembering that

rain cave
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Earthen are a good example I think

silent urchin
#

although even if it's not explicit lore it's definitely hinted at very strongly

rain cave
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The playable earthen are specifically the ones who were touched by azeroth

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They can dream is the key difference

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And they have no loyalty to the titans they are full on mortals

sleek solar
#

Thats so sick

uncut vault
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but then Shadowlands retconned that so who knows lol

silent urchin
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Ah that's probably it.

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as in, what I was remembering

sleek solar
austere gazelle
upper pasture
#

Am I misremembering but didn’t someone somewhere say Azeroth was special because it was a “twin world soul” at one point? Or was this likely reconned and now she’s the “prime world soul”?

rain cave
#

Would work as a good explanation

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The dual color scheme, the duality of beledar

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Could work I suppose

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Could even go the direction where when azeroth awakens more there's one half that represents each faction somewhat

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Would allow us to have both a troll and elf incarnation

upper pasture
austere gazelle
rain cave
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infinite ending and beginning is very "life and death" coded, and the ouroborous was a big icon in shadowlands

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if Azeroth ends up being a sort of amalgam that was fragmented, then it very well could be that she is BOTH serpents

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what's interesting about the brokers one is that the changed orientation puts the forces that we have seen directly fighting eachother on shared sides

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which is interesting to point out that we don't see "opposites" fighting as much

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life and death cohabit, the void doesn't fight the light as much as want to bring it into its fold. The closest we had was Order and disorder but even that wasn't a front direct war, the legion itself was more focused on destroying life and shadow

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the army of the light was fighting the legion as its primary directive

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also it puts all the more "orderly" things on one side

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so it seems the brokers organize things from top to bottom by purpose/order (not literal order but you get what I mean)

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or perhaps it's more like infinite potential

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the shadowlands is a very resource dependent plane, with a very strict structure to how it performs its purpose. It feels like they couldn't change it to be soemthing else. Whereas life can evolve into literally everything infinitely

tropic trail
rain cave
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the brokers literally see the supposed "opposite forces" as not the ones that are naturally opposing eachother

tropic trail
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Titans see star in the middle and here you see black hole.

rain cave
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since they're not even oppossite in the brokers chart

tropic trail
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Yea

rain cave
#

they're off axis for that

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also if you look at the elements

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Order -> Earth
Shadow -> Water

Water erodes earth

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Light and Disorder similar thing

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Fire consumes air to fuel itself

tropic trail
#

It’s also crescent 🌙 moon it’s when Elune brings souls to shadowlands when they die 😂

rain cave
#

it's interesting since I am convinced Elune is actually a death entity

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in her purpose

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because specifically in that chart, life is the sun eclipsing the moon. And Death is the moon eclipsing the sun.

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and the night warrior's aesthetic is very death like

tropic trail
#

I think it’s really not her but Algalon

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rain cave
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and if you look at every aesthetic Elune has been tied to, as well as her schools of magic. It's Arcane, Death and Light

tropic trail
#

And she is like decoy you know 😂

rain cave
#

everything that Elune has done with life has been through proxies or mixtures with other things

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Cenarius isn't just the alleged offspring of Elune, but also a wild god of life

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balance druids are not casting nature spells

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it's arcane

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(for elune/ moon spells anyways)

#

Elune gives me a huge vibe of political marriage. She is from another house, and she acts as an entity of** balance** to keep an alliance together

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she is a representative of death in life

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and the winter queen a representative of life in death.

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perhaps they are not literal sisters, but sisters in law

lone mantle
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If you wish to gain a broader perspective, please examine the four corners of the image. aworryShh

silent urchin
#

PTR build 👀

tulip sun
#

A build? It releases tomorrow doesn't it

silent urchin
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I doubt there's anything new in it, this is just the one flagged as release rather than test

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But PTR has been off over the weekend, they had some internal test build up instead

tropic trail
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It’s aniversary event tomorrow, probably Wednesday in Europe 🤔

silent urchin
#

Maybe wednesday in both, thanks for beta testing, US!

tulip sun
#

Ah I figured that had already happened

silent urchin
#

Mostly wondering if there was some content hidden that might be datamineable now

tulip sun
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Wasn't there maybe an encrypted npc(maybe quest) in Dornogal?

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I'm intrigued to see if it is anything

silent urchin
#

encrypted stuff unlikely to be testable at all on PTR

tulip sun
#

Tomorrow we shall learn if it is anything anybow

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Anyhow

silent urchin
#

servers came up, doesn't seem to be much different. Most notable thing is that they flagged the old flightstone achivements as legacy and removed it from the zaralek meta achieve, so that's able to be completed again.

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The mysterious silver covenant quest giver seems slightly less encrypted, can see their name, but conversation/quest still unavailable

tulip sun
silent urchin
#

Just a generic "Dalaran Survivor"

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But different id to the ambient ones that don't do anything

upper pasture
#

hasn't it been like that for awhile now?

silent urchin
#

Maybe? Last I saw they were enrypted/unknown

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but I can't remember when that was

dense plover
#

Probably an 11.0.7 quest thingy

upper pasture
#

i thought it was "dalaran survivor" that oddly looks just like a silver covenant npc

silent urchin
#

afaik that's always been an option for them

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the mysterious part is the quest marker

tulip sun
#

Kirin tor survivor follow up maybe. In the beta there was a quest in the files with Aethas dialogue in it

upper pasture
#

prolly just a way to keep people from interacting with it since isn't that the color for "not high enough level"?

rain cave
# silent urchin

Doronsmovies be like: SECRET HIGH ELF PLAYABLE RACE QUEST ON PTR?! PLAYABLE HIGH ELF RACE CUSTOMISATIONS SOON

pulsar minnow
ionic terrace
#

the solo SL raid changes look good

austere gazelle
#

Somehow I thought about plaguefall and last boss and the current affix in MM+ and I'm thinking ' no way this will make it live ', I do hope this dungeon will not pop up in S2

fathom fulcrum
silent urchin
#

Yeah there's a bunch of silver covenant NPCs walking around now, mostly high elves

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Always were in dalaran

tulip sun
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But she got a quest 👀

silent urchin
#

Yup, and we don't know what it is yet :(

rain cave
#

I do wonder what it could be

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if we're getting some interaction with the arathi next patch, perhaps they're talking to eachother?

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a lot of the silvercovenant are half elves I think right

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so if I wanted to go full tinfoil I could stretch it into half elf customisation options unlock

warm topaz
#

or it is 11.0.7 thing?

silent urchin
#

Presumably during 11.0.5 but might not be immediately on release

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Could come with weekly stuff like the titan disc quests

warm topaz
#

yeah that's true

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i hope we get it today

rose escarp
#

Next “disc”-quest would be next week, if it’s biweekly, though?

silent urchin
#

I wouldn't be surprised if they left it a couple weeks, there's a bunch to do with the anniversary event already

rose escarp
#

My best guess is it being a story-setup of sorts, but yeah, we’ll see once US goes live

silent urchin
#

depends how substantial it is, I guess

rose escarp
#

True that

iron hare
#

question are there any story quests at all with this mini patch?

pulsar minnow
#

Yes

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We have the high elf (likely vereesa) storyline at the very least

rain cave
#

could also be what the covenant are doing without her

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the silver covenant actually haven't had much time to shine themselves as a faction

uncut vault
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Well she has an NPC in the 11.0.5 files

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Which isn’t a part of the anniversary at all

rain cave
#

interesting

tulip sun
#

I feel good on the guess that we are getting a sort of Dalaran/Kirin tor follow up.

uncut vault
#

Yeah I went to check some of the anniversary data to be sure, the main one that hasn’t been found is Magni and dagran showing up

silent urchin
#

Magni is hanging around in dornogal at least, although I can't say which npc id it was

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At the thraegar memorial, with half a dozen earthern listening to him say nothing

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oh wait, he's there on live already

uncut vault
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Yeah this is a new one at the anniversary grounds, they go up to Moira in her questgiver spot

silent urchin
#

huh

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Maybe related to the NPC rotation that's every few days?

uncut vault
#

The random NPC arrivals seem to be tied to the xpac rotations, yeah

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I learned that the hard way after waiting for like three days afk for the Wrathion one lol

silent urchin
#

I didn't realise it was a thing til the blizz preview, so didn't really look for it

austere gazelle
#

there are some really untuned boss in BRD raid lol

warm topaz
thin warren
#

Cool!

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Not very spoilery

deep pawn
#

December eh? I was wrong too by a week haha

sullen dawn
#

I'm glad I was wrong about the direct

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I was off by 3 weeks :p

deep pawn
#

I was thinking traditional Blizzcon week

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but the election is likely gonna be distracting this year

pulsar minnow
#

God damn this looks so sick

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Just confused on who the dragon is. Like 90% sure it’s deathwing but without the metal jaw

upper pasture
#

Neltharion (ie before he was deathwing) is what i'd assume

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although, it could be art from hearthstone?

sleek solar
#

OOHHHH MYYYYY GODDDDDD

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subtle oar
pulsar minnow
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The image I sent of the key art

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Right below it

upper pasture
#

Oh maybe it’s supposed to be galakron before the corruption? It’s also possible it’s just “dragon”

pulsar minnow
#

I mean it’s most likely Neltharion

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Same exact horn structure

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Neltharion’s eyebrow horn thing, with the cluster right under it and the swooping main horns

silent urchin
#

oooh, saw magni and dagran show up at the celebration

deep pawn
#

it could also be WC2 Deathwing

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I don't think he got all metally until after he lost to Alexstrasza no?

silent urchin
#

I think I missed some of it tho

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they uh, are not the best mole machine drivers

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It seems like they show up at the BRD mole machine, have the conversation, walk over to their mole machine/ice cream vendor, then walk back to BRD mole machine and leave

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Wait there's a stay a while and listen on Moira too

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Not sure what unlocked that

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Probably the raid quest, I guess

wooden iron
#

like 10 thousand years ago in lore

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cause also keep in mind his appearence in wc2 was retconned cause he used to be green

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but he had like a metal hat or something too though

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iirc

upper pasture
#

I wonder why blizzard gave us earthen and more Dracthyr classes and no more character slots :/

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I know I must be in a small minority but being at character cap when I just want to create more class and race combos sucks

dense plover
#

unless you mean the total

#

in which case - either a data limit, or planned or a bit of both

upper pasture
#

I highly doubt there’s a data limit, it’s likely just they don’t expect anyone to have 65 max level characters AND want more. The reason I doubt it’s a data limit is they usually raise when we get a new class or race or say a level event like remix. Just odd we got 5 for remix then zero for TWW launch then zero for Dracthyr expanded classes

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The simple solution would be to delete some but I’m not gonna do that or buy a second account, which I’m also not gonna do. I just hope there can be enough complaints on the forums and we can get more slots soon enough

rain cave
#

the purpose of gearing more than 1 of each class isn't really there

upper pasture
#

it's not even about gearing them it's about being able to create them.

pulsar minnow
#

"trashed" is putting it lightly...

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deep pawn
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I imagine it's mostly so people don't make an infinite number of characters to hold names, bot, etc.

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It's unfortunate but the people who are capped at 65 are probably the minority

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As we have seen even small database changes can cause massive issues.

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The ah lag and the guild bank fiasco.

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They'll probably add more slots when Haranir get unlocked or whatever comes with Midnight

sleek solar
#

I am capped at 45 wtf

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That went fast

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Thats what 4 months of free time will do with ya, lowest level being 62 now pain

upper pasture
sleek solar
upper pasture
#

Oh, nvm then lol

warm topaz
#

new mount pack in the store for Classic and Retail

sleek solar
#

Oehhhh

silent urchin
#

$30/£25, comes with all 4 mounts in both classic and retail

warm topaz
#

well... there's more 🦖

silent urchin
#

oh no

warm topaz
#

80€

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HAHAHAHAAHAH

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i can smell the drama already

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and i'm here for it

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the mount is sick tho

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AH and maiil

silent urchin
#

I'm gonna buy it and make fun of everyone that's mad and then make fun of them more for no longer being able to /spit

warm topaz
#

it's actually cheaper than the OG one, it's 1.5M

tropic trail
#

Damn nice

silent urchin
warm topaz
#

too much shit going on on WoW lately

pulsar minnow
#

But man… brutosaur… long boi

silent urchin
#

It works out cheaper than the original

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or it did

#

buying tokens was around 2m

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although they're apparently out of stock on US and EU now

pulsar minnow
#

Shocker

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Still at that price I want that dude to fly around

sullen dawn
#

Id rather flush the money down the toilet

upper pasture
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That’s great, that’s your choice. No one is forcing you to buy store mounts

sullen dawn
#

I never said they were

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This isn't about me buying it or not buying it. It's about it being a scumbag thing for blizz to do

sleek solar
#

Its really a shitty thing to price it like that

sullen dawn
#

Dirty

sleek solar
#

Yup

austere gazelle
#

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

tropic trail
#

They farm money basically

austere gazelle
#

It cost almost the same price as TWW

#

Genius, really

silent urchin
#

I mean

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they sold shit for more than this in D4

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and people bought the hell out of it

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so why wouldn't they

austere gazelle
#

can be purchased until January 6, 2025.
PERFECT CHRISTMAS GIFT xD

sullen dawn
silent urchin
#

TIL selling a product at a price people are willing to buy is scummy

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I think it's overpriced

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but apparently a lot of people dont

little hound
silent urchin
#

well, yeah there's also that argument. Although tokens on the AH are sold out atm

little hound
#

Not really an Argument if its a solid fact.

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90 Bucks in gold wouldn't get you near a Longboi.

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In BFA, It cost 5M. 90 Bucks would get me what..4 Tokens? That was hardly 900k back in BFA.

silent urchin
#

oh I mostly just mean I'm excited to see the argument between people saying it's too cheap vs too expensive

little hound
#

Round it off to a mill, tops

deep pawn
little hound
sleek solar
deep pawn
#

oh, you're talking about buying tokens for gold vs bnet balance

silent urchin
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if you buy a token off the AH and redeem it for bnet balance its €13, it's exactly 6 tokens off the AH to buy it

proper palm
silent urchin
#

means blizz got €120 total for the mount, tho

little hound
proper palm
sullen dawn
little hound
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Glad you understand it.

sullen dawn
#

Please don't pull things out of your ass

little hound
#

I shit 3 times a day, ofc i pull things out of my ass.

sullen dawn
little hound
sullen dawn
proper palm
#

When a simply dino mount cost more than an entire xpac lmao

sleek solar
#

Yep lmao

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Some people still suck the multi billion dollar company though lmao

pulsar minnow
#

As good as blizz has been as of late, I just can’t defend a 90$ microtransaction

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Er- macro transaction at that point

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I’d go ahead and buy two full games at that price range

proper palm
pulsar minnow
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Huh? I’m talking about the Brutosaur.

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$30 for the mount bundle pack thing is whatever that’s actually a really good price for store mounts

proper palm
#

Yeah me to but in Europe, the Bruto price is 78€
If you want twice bundle, you have to spend 30$ + 90$ ootch

upper pasture
pulsar minnow
upper pasture
#

i will say $90 is a lot for a single mount but 1.2 mil isn't

pulsar minnow
#

And even still games like Hades for like 30$ is way more value than a Brutosaur

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In my opinion of course

upper pasture
#

to YOU, someone's day is made today by being able to buy an AH mount that's great for them.

pulsar minnow
#

Good for them I also wanted the Brutosaur too but I’m sure as heck not paying $90 for it

#

I’m not buying the Brutosaur at $200. I’m not buying it at $90 either

upper pasture
#

that's great neither am i but you don't see me up in a fit cause a corporation is doing corporation things. at the end of the day they need to make money to pay their employees too, if you don't like what they are selling don't buy it if enough people do it they will get the message.

proper palm
#

I also wanted a Brutosaur mount to just because i love bruto skin, with all love of these beast i can have.. I can't put 78€ / 90$ on a virtual shit lmao

pulsar minnow
#

And I’m not gonna defend bad business practices to fund their employees

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If it was like $30-40? That’s a bit more stomachable. If it was permanently available in the shop? Sure that’s better.

proper palm
#

30$ it's ok

pulsar minnow
#

But that price is ridiculous

upper pasture
#

how is this "bad" there's more than one way to get the money for this mount. you actually don't have to spend a dime. if you have the gold for it.

pulsar minnow
#

And for the consumer that’s not very friendly

pulsar minnow
#

And also, I’m not rlly trying to make WoW my job.

upper pasture
#

and? didn't you want that cause 1.2-2mil was "way to low" to match the OG mount?

pulsar minnow
#

What?

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You’re just putting words in my mouth

upper pasture
#

must have not been you, someone was complaining that the "gold price was too low to match the OG mount"

proper palm
#

I think it's not a good way to compare og mount and the new one

#

realy

upper pasture
#

brother that's why i put a question mark

pulsar minnow
#

No no I was one of the ppl that was hating on the brutosuars og price when that came out back in the day

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But that’s just my opinion and not rlly important to the new mount

proper palm
#

people during BFA have 2 years to farm the OG mount, can focus this mount the time of the xpac

sullen dawn
upper pasture
#

i'm gonna bet you aren't? i'm not sure why a business trying to make money is a bad thing? not everything is priced within everyones budget.

#

sure them selling or not selling a mount isn't going to make them go under but what if it did? how many people are now without an income? but also at the end of the day this is an optional purchase. meaning you either value it enough to warrant getting it however you do OR you don't.

sullen dawn
sullen dawn
#

*psychological

upper pasture
#

i understand plenty. if the company isn't profitable the shareholders will sell their shares and leave. if it gets bad enough the company will go under. sure this mount as an example isn't going to make or break the company like i already said. however we are looking at it on a micro/macro level. if people are truly that "addicted" to WoW that a $90 mount is gonna make or break their finances then they should seek out addiction therapy. HOWEVER there are plenty of other people who want to get an AH and don't want to try and win it with the BMAH box or just the standard BMAH at gold cap. the price tag of $90 is huge sure but they needed to strike a balance between making the old mount feel justifed by spending the gold in BfA and making this one about the same" and judging by the amount of them i see running around dorn it's a fair balance for most.

sullen dawn
#

That's a pretty irrational argument

#

You're immediately dismissing your own explanation as being relevant here, and then choosing to proceed with it anyway

#

I can't engage with that tbh

#

Sorry I just expect more from those I debate

upper pasture
#

how "debatable" of you

austere gazelle
#

I just noticed that in the toys collection when you wanna filter by expansions shadowlands is missing 😄

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it never existed 😁

#

and when you filter with the war within you get only the shadowlands toys -_-

sleek solar
lone mantle
#

I apologize if my statement caused any offense. worryGator

sleek solar
#

No youre very right

#

Brutosaur also does not have the disclaimer that it may come to the Trading Post

pulsar minnow
#

Breaking away from the drama of the Brutosaur, I absolutely love how it looks. It’s made by the same guy who designed the War Within box art and a bunch of other stuff- his work is always fantastic.
I really wonder why he put all the different colored gems on the armor

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I’m guessing they’re representing each expansion?

sleek solar
#

Yeah it does looks amazing!

deep pawn
#

There's 0 chance they give a $90 mount for free, so yeah. It's just whale bait. It's working though

sleek solar
#

Haha yup

#

I see lots and lots of them in SW and Dornogal

hazy kettle
dense plover
#

I would happily take a mount-only brutosaur for something

#

I just want a huge dinosaur

ionic terrace
#

first vendor build of 11.1 just pushed

silent urchin
#

huh

#

was half expecting the 11.0.7 PTR today with teh amount of vendor builds for it there have been

zealous sedge
#

I’m with Peach I just want the Bruto for the looks, I barely use the AH

#

But 90$ just for looks is a stretch for me although I’m still probably gonna do it. Wish they would do a non vendor/ AH Bruto on the trading post

#

I’m guessing we are gonna hear what exactly 11.1 will be at Warcraft Direct?

tulip sun
dense plover
#

we will probably know what 11.0.7 is before then or as part of it

zealous sedge
#

Sweet

deep pawn
#

I wasn't expecting 11.0.7 info before the direct.

#

Imagine all our surprise and 11.1 is in January too

#

I do think Wowhead is nuts that they think 11.1 would be April unless they have inside info we don't.

glass flicker
#

Honestly, I hope they don't rush the patches just to give us content. Droughts are bad, bugs are worse.

deep pawn
#

I'm still team February, but if 11.1 ptr is up shortly after the direct I'll go to Janaury perhaps.

glass flicker
#

February sounds good to me! Especially if the expansion ends in, say, December 2025.

#

I can see it having three raids. Though, I hope for more.

dense plover
#

so you might be wrong

deep pawn
#

hmm, alrighty

#

guess it'll be fairly minor and not too spoilery

deep pawn
#

or it's a system and no story until after the direct.

austere gazelle
#

I think it ll be a new little zone with goblins and their crystal

#

That'll be an opening for the rootlands

#

A bit like the forbidden reach that lead to zaralek

thin warren
#

Can't wait

sleek solar
#

I have to say I think that Beledar being crystalized Azerite is a letdown and a dissappointment

silent urchin
#

it's not azerite though. Azerite is just some goop, beledar is part of the world soul itself

austere gazelle
#

Azerite seems to be azeroth blood tainted by order or void ( hence the blue strings on it )

#

And as @silent urchin said, beledar is the world soul essence cristallized

sullen dawn
sullen dawn
#

There is 0% chance of 11.1 launching in January since that's when 11.0.7 launches

#

Feb is possible of course, as is very early April

#

But my guess is last week Feb / first week march

deep pawn
#

The thing that makes predicting hard is they're delaying 11.0.7 3 weeks for Christmas

sullen dawn
#

I agree

deep pawn
#

Do they just extend s1 3 weeks? I don't know.

#

they could cut 11.0.7 short

sullen dawn
#

But I still think it's impossible two patches release same month

sullen dawn
#

That would be the most wet fart patch ever

deep pawn
#

1/28 would still be 3 weeks and that would bring them back to the DF pacing, but that is the most insane pacing unless 11.0.7 is empty

sullen dawn
#

That ain't gonna happen

deep pawn
#

Which granted, 10.1.7 could have been 3 weeks.

#

that patch sucked

#

I'm still gonna go Feb 18th.

sullen dawn
#

The absolute MIN 11.0.7 will be is if 4 week (early-mid Feb for 11.1) but I expect the usual 6 weeks (late Feb, very early march) which is the cadence I expected all along

#

I always expected 11.0.7 in early Jan

deep pawn
#

assuming we have 11.0.7 and 11.0 ptrs up simultaneously we'll be able to tell pretty fast based on trading post and holiday updates

sullen dawn
#

My guess is 25th Feb or 4th march

deep pawn
#

Given the state 11.0.5 released in and the community thinking it was too soon(Despite being as fast as DF) I don't think they're gonna slow down at all.

#

They want 12.0 early 2026.

sullen dawn
#

I don't think 11.1 PTR will be up for a while yet

sullen dawn
#

11.1 being on internal doesn't give us much indication of PTR timing

deep pawn
#

I think it could be up a week or so after the direct.

sullen dawn
#

I don't think it'll hit PTR until after the direct

sullen dawn
deep pawn
#

3 weeks

sullen dawn
#

You said a week or two after

#

So 4-5 weeks

#

I.e. a month

deep pawn
#

I'm thinking anytime in the 10 days after the direct more so than 5 weeks

#

they have a lot of work to do and two holidays to work around

sullen dawn
#

10 days after the direct is still a month from now and only 4 days shy of 5 weeks

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Sooooo

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deep pawn
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Thanksgiving and Christmas

sullen dawn
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Ok slaughter one

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Yeh I mean other one aside from Christmas

deep pawn
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they have dropped ptrs on a Friday before

sullen dawn
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11.0.7 could defo drop today/tomorrow

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On ptr

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I'm not 100% about it, could still be next week or week after, but it's defo possible

deep pawn
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if 11.0.7 ptr is tomorrow, I'm gonna guess 11/15 for 11.1 ptr only because I do believe they're going to be aggressive as hell with the content cause once the anniversary ends that drought will be dire.

sullen dawn
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But I guess technically that includes the Xmas break

deep pawn
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Have to remember they're losing 3 weeks minimum due to vacations

sullen dawn
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And it would be nice a marketing beat to say PTR live now at direct

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deep pawn
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What is your prediction for December? I wouldn't be shocked at a fresh hardcore classic server.

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other than that, they're a bit light on warcraft content.

sullen dawn
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Has Cara classic finished all the patches now?

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*cata

deep pawn
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nah, they have dragon soul coming in like February or March

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was gonna be January but they pushed it back

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ostenibly to give people more time to farm Tarecgosa

sullen dawn
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Timing aside I hope we get a WoD remix in 2025

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Just not sure where it would fit

deep pawn
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If they don't need the filler I'm fine with skipping it.

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February s2, August s3 and a March 12.0 is something they could feasibly pull off.

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A WoD remix January-February as part of 11.2.7 could work

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They'd have to make rewards faster though.

sullen dawn
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I just really think WoD deserves it

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Fantastic zones

warm topaz
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do you think we could get 11.0.7 news today?

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next week is more likely imo

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austere gazelle
lone mantle
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Brilliant!

austere gazelle
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200$

deep pawn
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still cheaper than the china mount

tropic trail
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Haha 😂

subtle oar
warm topaz
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i love the music that they are using in the celebration hub, exiles reach is 10/10

sleek solar
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Exile reach music gives me that Adventure vibe

sullen dawn
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The catalogue was already updated and theres been some encrypted builds deployments for several weeks now

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Expect some 11.0.7 action next week most likely

rain cave
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Imagine if the island we're going to ends up being telabim lmao

austere gazelle
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BANANAS

rain cave
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Also I just got an idea

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What if kajamite is the remnants of one of those crystals? Like beledar

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But the disorder one

pulsar minnow
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i was thinking of that too

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would explain why goblins are green and have that chaotic nature to them

rain cave
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We know kajamite and azerite have a similar effect

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We know the crystals have a similar effect on people radiant song wise

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And, yeah green goblins

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But also explains the grell

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Why they look like imps

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And why the goblins look a bit like imps

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They're literally being shaped by chaotic energies to be like that

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The fact its fragments could literally be the titans shattered that crystal. Since it's disorder

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Mimiron had some in storage he used to experiment. We know they do that

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And also, azerite was found in undermine before bfa. In a kajamite mine

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Like a wound where the crystal was

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Even the name could literally end up being translated as "chaosmite"

austere gazelle
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yeah if there is a crystal for each force, maybe there is a green '" life " crystal in the Rootlands ( well, forgive me, life is Fiery Red, not green )

deep pawn
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It could be that Eonar planted it above a life crystal

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Or the seed from Elune was life crystal

pulsar minnow
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I know final fantasy doesn’t own crystals but man I didn’t expect war within to be about powerful super crystals either

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Also- random but I’ve had this thought for a long time and I wonder if it ties into the crystals

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The frozen throne. What if it’s not just ice but a death crystal

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Like stygia

deep pawn
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Please, WoW has been cribbing the story from 14 for a bit now.

pulsar minnow
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Look I’m not a big ff14 fan but let’s not put them down and say shadowlands and DF were anywhere close

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SL and DF were… interesting stories

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Not very good stories unlike ff14

deep pawn
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They aren't, but both games steal concepts from the other

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Pray return to the waking shores is proof enough haha

pulsar minnow
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Also if icecrown really is a death crystal, that could be the reason why the veil was weak enough for Sylvanas to enter there

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I wonder if that’s how Midnight will begin too. Using a void infused Beledar the portal to Zereth Umbra is opened

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The sky is enveloped with stars, and thus midnight begins

deep pawn
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I'm still on team dark heart is dropped into the Sunwell

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We know the Sunwell can be a portal

pulsar minnow
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That’s definitely the more likely scenario

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I just want Beledar to mean something man 😦

rain cave
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Ff14 story can never stand properly though because of the baggage of ff

uncut vault
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I do suspect Midnight will be a bit larger in scope than just quel'thalas

deep pawn
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I think we go through the voidwell into the void

uncut vault
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despite the zones being there, the way Metzen presented it sounds more like the void version of Legion: a worldwide invasion with one region just as the main center of conflict

rain cave
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I feel there's a twist we've yet to see

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I'm convinced the moon is involved

uncut vault
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I think Midnight being a distinct post-DF invention means they'll avoid that, given Endwalker lol

rain cave
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With an the lighty stuff, elune lore, moon lore, iconography, elves

pulsar minnow
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I don’t think we’ll see Elune being evil

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She’s a nature being, probably has something to do with Haranir

rain cave
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I'm still on the train that the moon is going to be the portal for dimensius

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Or the sun but we'll see

deep pawn
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I'm still also thinking we are gonna help Azshara ascend into being a void lord and she promises to leave reality alone

rain cave
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Have him as an ever-present skybox entity

uncut vault
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I hope to god they avoid Elune stuff as much as possible, just because Im so tired of that being the only cosmic story we focus on lol

pulsar minnow
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I want to see more of the other cosmic beings

rain cave
deep pawn
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We're gonna learn soon why Elune favors elves

rain cave
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Not to just keep teasing

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If we get a payoff I'm fine with more wlune

uncut vault
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Elune as an entity is already damaged enough by Shadowlands, I think revealing more of her will just mess up her connection to night elves even more

deep pawn
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Roothome is all about the tree she and Eonar planted in love.

uncut vault
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I think the book in the dream does a good job at making her more of a mythological goddess again, and I'd rather we just return to her being that

pulsar minnow
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We have literally no idea what the hell is going on with the Disorder Pantheon whereas we know a few of others like An’she in the Light Pantheon, the Void Pantheon with Dimensius and Invalidus, the Eternal Ones (bleh), the Titans, and Elune in the life pantheon

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Don’t forget about the FELlas

rain cave
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They're going to do that with the titans and voidlords

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And elune isn't above them

uncut vault
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We don't have to see every corner of the cosmos, especially not so rapidly after Shadowlands

rain cave
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That's what they're doing atm

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Just in a more grounded way

pulsar minnow
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I think the only time we’ll ever see Elune, An’she, or any of the other cosmic entities like them is during a fight against the titans

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And we shouldn’t see them much after either

uncut vault
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There's no reason to shove in a "we must go to the Lifelands!" storyline in the current plotline that's set up. We can deal just fine with the void and the titans and the light for a good decade+ without ever needing to touch on the Shadowlands and Elune again

rain cave
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Even if we don't see elune in midnight I'm betting on a more direct influence

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Like her forces showing up

rain cave
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Or her forces

uncut vault
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Okay but again, that isn't needed for any of the current storylines

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the night elf plot was very securely wrapped up in DF

rain cave
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It fits midnight well

uncut vault
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and no mystery about Elune is being put into the current story

rain cave
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Harranir

uncut vault
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That's much more about Eonar than Elune

deep pawn
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I don't think we're going outside of Azeroth this expansion

uncut vault
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Elune is just involved in the mythos, which again, fits her concept much better

deep pawn
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Midnight though the Sunwell and Elf tribes uniting though

rain cave
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I just don't see her working as a mythological being when we're slaying gods stronger than her

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(In future)

pulsar minnow
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Well she’s not really mythological at all anymore since she made herself pretty well known in Shadowlands

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She’s just real and she exists. Just disconnected for whatever reason from everything else going on

uncut vault
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yes and that plot was pretty egregiously awful :P

pulsar minnow
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Oh no I’m not disagreeing with you

uncut vault
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Blizzard are pretty clearly trying to distance themselves from the direct cosmic exploration that Shadowlands did with the current plot, and Elune's involvement was one of the worst bits of that

deep pawn
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I dunno, it felt very godlike for her to just hear her sister and go "have some souls"

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They aren't the endless, they don't have direct communication between realms

pulsar minnow
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I think the Last Titan will definitely have a lot of cosmic shit go down. Renilash made note multiple times about the deaths of gods and whatnot. I personally just think it’s very very very unlikely for us the players to fully defeat the titans without some cosmic help

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I think An’she and Elune will make an appearance, assuming they have a reason to, but literally just to hold off a Titan or two in the skybox while the players rush through the battlefield of whatever the final raid is. Kinda like antorus

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So like they’re there, but not standing right next to Anduin or thrall

deep pawn
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It'd be hilarious if Renilash isn't about the void at all or if the void is on our side.

rain cave
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I think Elune isn't even trying to be mystical

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I think she's just trapped in there basically

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Shackled to her purpose

deep pawn
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Last we know Elune is pretty distracted by trying to keep Anshe alive no?

rain cave
deep pawn
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Either one of the Chronicles or an in game book talking about Elune keeping her brother alive or something

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The leap is people assuming that's Anshe

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And then we had the Sarkareth trinket

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If Anshe is a light god, Anshul could be his wounded void counterpart

pulsar minnow
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Not sure. In the folk and fairytales book it’s said An’she got corrupted, and Azeroth took upon the corruption herself to save him. But told the pair to take to the skies permanently

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But An’shul is still a weird tidbit of lore and not entirely sure what’s going on there

silent urchin
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renilash actually involving all cosmic powers, and azeroth still being largely void aligned

deep pawn
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Its people extrapolating things. The Tauren myths have the moon goddess in the sky to watch over An'she's wounds and the Tauren believe the dawn's first light is him bleeding.

rain cave
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Perhaps anshe couldn't fit in to the order they established so elunes trying to keep him going whilst he's been struck from records

uncut vault
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I'd be more convinced about a full void-alliance twist if the xpac wasn't Metzen's full concept

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he's always been a sucker for the big fantasy tropes and playing with them, so even if we play with subversions of the void being on our side, I think it'll still be the main threat we're fighting and defeating

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At most, I think we'll see a character like N'zoth or Azshara as an ally of convenience, and play with the morality of that

deep pawn
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I just think it'd be peak Azshara for her to ascend and then protect the world that birthed her.

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Especially if she gets to smack down Sargeras.

uncut vault
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I definitely don't expect Sargeras to be fully freed

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feels much more likely that they'll do a subversion of Illidan's plot from Legion, and have him be a willing Avatar of Sargeras

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Because as much as he was a threat to everything, he was right about the Void threat we're now facing

deep pawn
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I do fully expect us to kill a void lord or two in Midnight. All my wildmanguessing about an Alliance depends on Azshara taking over the void and not being outright malevolent at us.

tulip sun
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If anything i can see them doing a sort of pseudo "bad alliance" with maybe the AU lightbound and some defectors

deep pawn
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Dealing with the void threat forever is a very vague ending to midnight and what ever we do makes the Titans mad

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And then there's the Emperor's prophecy about the crown falling and the Arathi giving up.

tulip sun
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If yrel don't show up in midnight idk what other cance there is

deep pawn
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We don't know what wall that prophecy actually refers to yet.

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That would be a sad plot if in Midnight we end up with the void on our side and the Arathi turn on us.

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13.0 Iridikron after he snipes Golganneth or someone else minor. 13.1 the Arathi Emperor, 13.2 the Titans.

uncut vault
austere gazelle
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I'd love them to put a huge focus of An'she. We just have trace on him through the earthmother tale and the taurens lol

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As of now, He only exists through Elune's proxy

deep pawn
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The dev team has been very vague on Murzond beyond his current threat to us is currently over

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The bronze bringing the infinites into the fold and charging their culture some could lead to a voluntary Murzond in the future still.

austere gazelle
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There is a possibility that Nozdormu willingly turns into Murozond but to pull out the Bronze's from the Titan's timeline and protect Azeroth

deep pawn
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The Aspects are bound to show up in The Last Titan because of Wyrmrest, Iridikron, and the fact their blessings now come from Azeroth.

tulip sun
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It'd be a shame for them to be forgotten, especially if this is our mega battle between light and shadow

deep pawn
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I still think we're gonna have a smackdown between Xe'ra and us in the future but that could be the Arathi Empire expansion.

tulip sun
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Would also be a good story opportunity for the maghar

deep pawn
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We'll know more next year if we see Midnight alpha on the roadmap for Autumn.

pulsar minnow
tulip sun
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We still got a while. Gotta get through TWW

deep pawn
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Xe'ra is a light being, they don't die the same way mortals do

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If she works like demons her alternate timeline selves are out there

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There's a strong chance she's Yrel's Divine Mother.

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WoD would have damaged non mortal stories more than Shadowlands since Shadowlands built on that multiverse plot.

deep pawn
thin warren
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Can't wait on info about X.0.7 and X.1

deep pawn
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Did we get the 10.2 title with the roadmap or not until closer

worn crown
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I DO hope WoW goes full hard worldbuilding and we see everything and everything gets explained/shown to us
One can say WoW took this way in Legion (Titans and all) or even back in TBC (Naaru as a cosmic embodiment of the Holy Light)
In general, I kind of think soft worldbuilng is lazy storytelling, hahahah ("everything is so vague and mysterious")

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So, I hope we see Elune at some point (also Lifelands, other Zeniths and such) and even her connection to the NElves gets a reason

Unlike most people (or at least unlike "most vocal people") I loved SL lore and covenants (not how the main plot was handled)
As far as I remember, during SL Elune just say a few words through Tyrande, so I see no "harm" done to the character at all - as if "harm" to a fictional charracter could mean something at all

I mean, even characters that took a way I did not like (Jaina in MoP and Sylvanas in BfA) had their route "corrected"* eventually (Jaina in BfA and Sylvanas by the end of SL)

*Again, whatever that truly means for a fictional character

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I do not believe Blizz will ever willingly "forget" SL lore, at least the biggest parts, because that would be silly storytelling

But the details I'm not so sure - for example, in one cinematic, Sylvanas tells Tyrande "bask in the dying embers of of your goddess' bargain". I wonder if this will ever be brought up agan, because it seemed to me more than the current battle they were in

cosmic beacon
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Idk I love ambiguity in game lore, not everything needs an answer

deep pawn
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It was referring to Elune not letting Tyrande kill Sylvanas with the night warrior powers.

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The embers of the bargain was the fact the night warrior powers got pulled

austere gazelle
austere gazelle
ember blaze
deep pawn
deep pawn
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I have to wonder what Archimonde thought in WoD since he knew he died in the main timeline but was redoing the whole Draenor thing lol

sleek solar
glass flicker
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I hope Thrall gets to dual wield Dra'gora and Gorehowl. peepoCute

austere gazelle
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Also, she recognized our strength in Nyalotah

sleek solar
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She is not allying with anyone

glass flicker
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If we have to discuss Azshara, I'm more inclined to believe she'll look into some sort of cure for her Naga condition, and rejoin Kaldorei society, not as a Queen, but as a commoner, letting go of her arrogance and serving as Shandris Feathermoon's right hand lady.

austere gazelle
glass flicker
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Since Shandris is the Night Elf leader as of this moment.

sullen dawn
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And then elves can heal/unify

austere gazelle
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Her and Illidan are linked by fate

sullen dawn
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It would be cool if she'd basically taken over teh void in the mean time

austere gazelle
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somehow

sullen dawn
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She might get one but she doesn't deserve one

glass flicker
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Seriously, just let her repent and serve for a while to get rid of her ego.

sullen dawn
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Illidan was an ass and should have told us his plans but Azshara was always in it for the power

glass flicker
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She can keep the sass, 'cause that's the best part about Azshara, but the "I need more power" part can go.

austere gazelle
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yep, but she might be in to the point she might sacrifce herself in glory to save the world soul of Azeroth and join with it for example, a sort of " my glory will save this world and the power of Azeroth will be infused with my perfect essence "

sullen dawn
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Yes she loved her people, but she wanted them to be powerful. It wasn't about protecting Azeroth from external threats

sullen dawn
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I hope we smash her brains out lol

austere gazelle
sullen dawn
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What prophecy

glass flicker
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Imagine, Azshara just becomes a Fel Naga and marries Illidan, making Maiev chew tables out of jealousy.

austere gazelle
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A hunger lost to the ages will be reclaimed.

A dark heart left broken awaits the taking.

When these things come to pass, the Harbinger will fulfill the final prophecy and complete the awakening.

Only then shall our Queen return to reign over sea and sky and earth. We must make ready.

Rise, rise! Soon all that was hidden will be revealed.```
sleek solar
austere gazelle
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There is defo something more behind this stuff

sleek solar
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Yet Illidan refused

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His "destiny"

sullen dawn
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Imo Azshara is going to be the final boss of Midnight

austere gazelle
sullen dawn
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We'll find out that she's taken a lot of power from the void since she went after the true seat of power

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austere gazelle
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Its possible she'll be the main ennemy yeah, we'll see

sullen dawn
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"reign over" doesn't mean save