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ember blaze
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im basing this on the things people actually hit create character for

rain cave
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saberon were requested as playable and people miss the saberon talent for druids in wod

ember blaze
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not 2 people say they want on a reddit comment

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"i want tuskarr" when we know 5 people in total are actually gonnna play it

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majority will remain human/elf

upper pasture
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“Majority” of players are gonna play whatever IV/WH tells them is the “best” race for their class

rain cave
upper pasture
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There’s a lot of players that play the things that are enjoyable to them and if they want to play X race instead of what’s “best” they do that

rain cave
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I think all the general populus want really is for their armour to fit on their character in a consistent and nice way

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glares at tauren

ember blaze
rain cave
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people like the elves because they are cool, not because they are elves

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if the elves were not cool they would not play them

ember blaze
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idk about that

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people want to look pretty

rain cave
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some people want to look pretty

ember blaze
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majority do

rain cave
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most people want to look cool

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since most people aren't trying to be cutesy or w/e

ember blaze
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eh, vulpera not being dead last says otherwise as well

rain cave
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void elves not being dead first says otherwise to your point lol

ember blaze
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i see people praising the earten and their story, but nobody is flocking to the second ugly stone dwarf

rain cave
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people like vulpera because they're a cute race in a faction with limited cute picks

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therefore all the people who like it will go to it

ember blaze
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yeah cause most people dont want to look like ugly monsters

rain cave
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inflating its numbers since it's not distributed

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horde's issue isn't what the races are literally it'swhat they are functionally

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normal trolls are kinda awful if you want your armour to look good

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also their female skeletons are nigh unused by the playerbase

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it's a combination

ember blaze
rain cave
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yes because they are cool

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and had a lot of lore

ember blaze
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no

rain cave
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blood elves are not cute

ember blaze
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because they were a pretty elf race in a sea of ugly monsters

rain cave
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you genuinely cannot argue that everyone is driven by cuteness lmao

ember blaze
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when its the main thing driving character creation you can

rain cave
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I'm literally looking at playable race stats rn

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gnome, vulpera, pandaren are all down there

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or middle of the pack

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humans are top of alliance. Blood elves top of horde. I'm going to say that the 2 main things for average players is: Looking consistently cool

ember blaze
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pandas and gnomes are bad

rain cave
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the reason those 2 races trend to the top is because humans are.. humans, we project onto them easier

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so people know HOW to look cool as a human

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blood elves are the most human like race, on horde, have a cleaner aesthetic that people can project more onto as well as have a lot of lore

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if you're playing a troll, you are stuck playing a troll and not everyone likes that aesthetic

ember blaze
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yeah

rain cave
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it's harder to work with

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a blood elf is a cleaner slate

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it's not about looking cute for everyone

ember blaze
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cute/pretty/human/elf looking

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if blizzard released a new race that's just a human/elf with some variation, people would be happy

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i for one, am waiting for cat girls 😈

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hopefully not something like this

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that just looks like a furry suit humanoid

uncut vault
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I mean even look at haranir, they’re kind of just trolls that are palatably pretty looking for elf fans

rain cave
uncut vault
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And people are chomping at the bit for them lol

rain cave
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I swear it's not even them being pretty

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it's the rigs/animations

uncut vault
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The male nelf rig is pretty awful so I dunno about that :P

rain cave
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if you gave normal trolls an option to stand like zandalari

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they'd take it

rain cave
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which is what most people care about, even blizz themselves

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otherwise they'd fix some of the racial melee animations for other races as well lmao

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even blood elves have some atrocious ones that got messed up in an update

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not sure if it's fixed now but for an entire expansion in SL they reverted frost strike to using the racial animation for blood elves where they jump up inthe air and do a flip instead of the race agnostic melee strike one

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so you'd spent the entire fight doing flips with that awful janky animation

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blood elves in general have some pretty awful animations for melee, especially anything that's 2h

pulsar minnow
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Its so goofy

sleek solar
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Already have kul tirans

deep pawn
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I hate that I want 11.1 info

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Nerub'ar has had one of the most boring plots in a long time.

dense plover
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i thought it was plenty compelling

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just simplistic

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standard for first raid typically

sullen dawn
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I do

deep pawn
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Maybe I'm just tired of paranoid queens with bickering courts.

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Also, there better be some denouement in 11.0.5 that's not announced

sullen dawn
deep pawn
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Elissande did it better.

sullen dawn
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10x better

deep pawn
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Denathrius too

sullen dawn
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I didn't like Denathrius

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I know a lot of people do

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I won't get into it here

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The raid had some great encounters though

glass flicker
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I don't know. I liked Denathrius.

sullen dawn
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I felt his lore kind of ruined the dreadlords for one

deep pawn
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So far the end of Nerub'ar is just too sudden.

sullen dawn
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Story should gain some momentum in 11.1 and 11.1.5

deep pawn
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Who the hell wants to wait 8 weeks or more to get the short scene showing what's next

sullen dawn
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More cos 11.0.5 doesn't seem to progress the story at all

deep pawn
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I harp on this a lot but Blizzard cannot be afraid of depth in the msq.

sullen dawn
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Should get a bit of movement in January with 11.0.7

sullen dawn
deep pawn
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They are when they let their quest writers actually write!

sullen dawn
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Some side quests have some sometimes, but they're few and far between

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Like the malygos quest chain was fantastic

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In DF

deep pawn
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But no, they make the raid first and story second

glass flicker
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I think Ansurek was an alright villain, for the simple fact that Xal'atath stated. "Just a roadblock, a means to an end."

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She wasn't great, but she wasn't...

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You know who.

sullen dawn
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The best character blizz have done in recent years imo is Bwonsamdi

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He was soooooo good

deep pawn
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I wish his plot wasn't cut short.

sullen dawn
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Yeh. More stuff with him and mueh'zala would have been cool

deep pawn
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I am so mad at the perpetrators of the assaults getting Shadowlands cut short.

glass flicker
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I am so mad Kel'Thuzad didn't get his own raid. Actually, every zone should have had a raid.

deep pawn
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I was robbed of a double bridge boss of Helya and Mueh zalah and I'll never let that down.

glass flicker
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Devos for Bastion, Kel'Thuzad for Maldraxxus, Mueh'zala or Gorak Tul for Ardenweald, Denathrius for Revendreth, Sylvanas for The Maw, Jailer for the final patch.

deep pawn
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Imagine p3 of them both fighting at once

glass flicker
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Six raids? Doable.

glass flicker
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Just chucks it at Helya and she isn't even wounded.

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No, I mean this. It would be such a funny gag if Thrall just named every weapon he got his hands on, and then immediately lost it.

deep pawn
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They so obviously cut an entire patch and it sucks. Cause I did like the Shadowlands.

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Never have I felt more home than the first quest of Maldraxxus

glass flicker
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Oh yeah, Maldraxxus probably had the best intro out of all SL zones.

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You're just chucked into the arena.

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Objective: survive

sullen dawn
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Shadowlands had a few of the right ingredients but they mixed and cooked it wrong and threw in some strange flavours that didn't fit the existing wow lore, and even some of the existing lore suddenly tasted really strange

glass flicker
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I'm still salty about Krexus dying almost instantly.

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He was so cool.

sullen dawn
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I'm not sure if it needed more or less salt tbh

glass flicker
uncut vault
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I dont think the nerubians were boring (their culture is hella cool actually), but I do think it lacked the same oomf that a similar plot like Suramar did just due to how little time we spend in Azj-Kahet for main story by comparison

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I feel like I know the three main nerubian leaders way less than I knew Thalyssra, Valtrois, and Oculeth, because their stories are put into separate reputation campaigns after their brief few MSQ quests during leveling

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I'm invested in the culture of the nerubians, but the only character I'm really invested in is Arak'nai, due to her relationship with Neferess

deep pawn
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I think the Nerubians themselves are great, the raid plot is boring

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Mostly cause we've done this exact "gather a revolution to topple a leader" 3 times now

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Azj-Kahet is very much Suramar part two, but oh my god, it's spider people!

austere gazelle
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Its unlike suramar cause you can fly in their damn city and it nullify all of the guards mechanicd and stuff and doesnt feels like a proper city in the end.

The bastion of nerubian forces allows us to enter in and out and murder everyone inside like there is no tomorrow with a dull sense of threat

worn crown
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Ah, nostalgia: I loved Shadowlands and the Covenants lore 🤩

Just the main plot was very meh

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About TWW, very curious to the next big patch

I think it will be Rootlands

austere gazelle
sullen dawn
austere gazelle
sullen dawn
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Sure. I think they missed a trick not having be like surumar in that way. Would have been a cool open world endgame location. Maybe mads the rumours slightly harder too and have them five champ gear in vault if you did enough

austere gazelle
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I think the weirdest thing is that, unlike suramar, you entered the city with already a tons of allies everywhere, and felt that the hostile population were a minority in all of Azj Kahet. It miss the first introductions steps

sullen dawn
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Yeh it didn't feel like a threatening place. I don't understand people when they said they managed a surumar 2.0. The city itself is cool sure, but the mechanics and gameplay loop kind of negate any threat or sense of danger

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A bit of lost potential imo because the design of the place is really good, as is the nerubian culture and lore

austere gazelle
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Those books were really interesting

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I really do hope that, in TlT, nerubian of Azj Kahet will be fully fledged allies and they will come with us to try to retake Azjol Nerub and we will explore the city with them and try to rebuilt it

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Following the trail and the story of Anubarak and how the city fell, cleaning it of the last scourge remnants , and ending up finding lost lore stuff

sullen dawn
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Totally

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Likewise the earthen should have a decent role to play in TLT

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(and gnomes/goblins with tinkers please hehe)

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And undermine patch this expansion could do a good job of tying goblins to the overarching plot

austere gazelle
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We'll have our goblin share soon in the next months I guess. A equivalent* of Mechagon,but horde sided

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With a probable mega dungeon

sullen dawn
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I hope so, but I think they'll get a decent focus throughout the trilogy, especially in TLT

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Personally I hope undermine is the full 11.1 zone

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Mechagon on steroids

austere gazelle
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na I think it'll be 11.2

sullen dawn
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I would have thought it's too "side story - ish" as a closer. Imo k'aresh, or the heart of Azeroth, or the deeproot make more sense as expansion closers

austere gazelle
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We'll have to wait and see in the next small patches

sullen dawn
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Goblin thing could be helping them overthrow gallywix so they can help us reach the core of the planet

austere gazelle
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usually they wait for the middle patch to introduce the next steps

sullen dawn
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Meanwhile gallywix in league with xal

austere gazelle
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we still don't have a link to where they want to go

sullen dawn
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Yep agree

austere gazelle
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I think Gally will be in league with Xal and Etherals ( or brokers )

sullen dawn
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Will be fun disposing of him hopefully once and for all

austere gazelle
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He'll probably end up as a monster mutated by Xal black blood

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We'll have void goblins

deep pawn
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They haven't reused the Therazane skeleton in a few expansions, we're overdue

rain cave
deep pawn
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hmm

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so for 2 weeks people can restore characters again

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on a daily basis

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I wonder if the 15th could be the patch even earlier than expected.

glass flicker
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Part of me believes it's something they rolled out 'cause one of the devs' kids deleted all their characters. dracthyr_kek

opaque pewter
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I mean if you think critically, if it was for something petty like this, doing an in-house personal data recovery would be a lot easier and faster than releasing a feature that has to be supported

sleek solar
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They did it because you couldn’t restore character since pre patch

silent urchin
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The features been around for ages, and mostly it's just to reduce the workload for support. It was just disabled for a bit cause presumably it needed updates for warbands

sleek solar
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Idk who youre talking to, but no one said it didn’t exist before xD

silent urchin
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"rolled it out as some blizz's devs pet project" very much implies its new and not a long standing feature that was temporarily disabled

sleek solar
vague sail
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Hey
Do we have any idea what dungeons will be in season 2 of TWW mythic rotation ?

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I mean the returning ones

sleek solar
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Nope

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11.0.5 isn't even out yet haha

regal zenith
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Speaking of, how long does a season usually last ? Back in my day seasons weren't a thing

silent urchin
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about 6 months

regal zenith
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Thanks !

deep pawn
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The only dungeon I'm saying has good odds to be back in s2 is Motherlode.

austere gazelle
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So Undermine will be mixed up with the DeepGrove zone ?

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My inch is that Undermine will be a 11.x.5 content, maybe a Megadungeon

deep pawn
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Just a mega dungeon would be seen as a flop

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I'm still better on 11.1 is undermine and 11.2 is Roothome and the raid is the manifold

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There's apparently an interview somewhere that says the TWW patches stay underground.

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It was referenced whenever I wonder about Avaloren.

pulsar minnow
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I mean it is the underground expansion

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Dunno why we’d go to Avaloren. Feels like it’d be an expansion all to itself

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I’d imagine we’ll see Avaloren in 14.0

ember blaze
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lets go to an unexplored area of azeroth with new stuff

pulsar minnow
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That or maybe even 15.0

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We might get the old world revamp after 13.0

deep pawn
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I just find it hard to believe we don't open a portal to a massive light army before 14.0

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Jaina is the strongest mage of this age that's not crazy at the moment and has skill in extracting memory. Velen surely would be curious about an Azerothian getting visions of prophecy from the light and has spaceships

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So it just makes zero sense to me when fighting the void we don't go ring them up.

sullen dawn
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And deepgrove is either .1.5, a mega dungeon, .2, or not at all

pulsar minnow
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Not saying you’re wrong tho

deep pawn
pulsar minnow
deep pawn
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"I was a mere apprentice when we set out, over a decade ago. My masters were core to the mission. They were to set up portals back home whenever we arrived at our destination. That way, we'd have a steady flow of supplies and reinforcements."

pulsar minnow
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Yes. But the Hallowfall expedition is the bulk of the fighting force

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Faerin says: We followed our emperor's sacred vision across the sea -- to fight in Renilash, the final battle between light and dark.

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That’s not to say that they won’t ever find a way to bring some arathi through, but I personally can’t see Avaloren making an appearance in full in Midnight or The Last Titan

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And frankly I think it would be a waste. They’re supposedly this massive technologically advanced empire. Relegating them to a patch zone is a massive waste

sullen dawn
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its also a huge ass continent

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we might see some more ships show up for renilash (in midnight)

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but emperor and home territory is post TWSS imo

sullen dawn
pulsar minnow
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Yeah you’re right. More like a crack elite task force

sullen dawn
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an empire isnt gonna send the bulk of their solders to the otherside of the world. theyd have no way to keep the peace

deep pawn
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this is the final battle

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the light fanatic emperor ain't missing it

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especially when the void prophecies include his crown

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and the wiki is definitely extrapolating some from stuff that wasn't exactly said

pulsar minnow
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I’m not fully against them showing up, I just doubt we’ll be going to avaloren in the world soul saga

deep pawn
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I know, just feels extremely off

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Like the lore doesn't make sense unless you completely ignore things

pulsar minnow
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I understand

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Renilash in general is really weird

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Because we have the old man anduin story, the one where he’s leading everyone and the dragons, and now the arathi story

deep pawn
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the comic has been declared a "possible future" not the future

pulsar minnow
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I personally really wanna see the one with Anduin leading everyone. I love Anduin, and I want to see him on dragon back with Wrathion leading the charge

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It would just be so cool imo

sullen dawn
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Otherwise that future can't exist

deep pawn
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Except we've been spoiled that Midnight deals with the void for good

sullen dawn
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Which would mean the Anduin thing is an impossible future

deep pawn
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we've long wondered if he gets aged up somehow

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people thought he would be white haired after Shadowlands

sullen dawn
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So you think that comic could take place during midnight?

deep pawn
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if they care to include it

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I don't think the writers care to make it canon

sullen dawn
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Yeh otherwise it's just strictly non canon, because how the hell does something like renelash go unconsidered lol

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Basically just conflicting storylines. One has to die

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Likely the Anduin thing

deep pawn
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different writers want to do their own thing

sullen dawn
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Yeh but continuity should take priority

deep pawn
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the future has no continuity

sullen dawn
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That's a pretty nonsensical statement in relation to storytelling

austere gazelle
# deep pawn this is the final battle

This is the final battle according to the light and the shadow. But we know it's not the case since there will be something after in the Last Titan 😄
My guess is that this " final battle " will just be the end of the light and the void as we know it and both will merge in harmony and will work in tandem after that, which will displease some zealot or X'era who might still try to stirr trouble in the background after that.

Enter Avaloren expansion with the Arathi

deep pawn
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All we know is we deal with the void for good

hazy kettle
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<@&299347348847329281> Any mods in the house to take care of this account? Cool_Dab

shrewd glen
hazy kettle
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No problem, Seniores Gattos.

austere gazelle
rain cave
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if we weaken the void signiciantly though, the light may start becoming overpowering

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and that's probably what they're thinking of doing for the next antagonist

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after TLT

tropic trail
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Probaly want the same amount of light and void.

regal zenith
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Let's just get rid of the void AND the light then dracthyr_tea

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we'd still have a few elements left, I'm sure it'll be fiiiine

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/s

sleek solar
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No way they let AU Grommash and Yrel away

rain cave
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AU grommash is dead

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debateable is Yrel is alive

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considering that AU was basically shrinking

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but could have also just been the light dominating that timeline

lone mantle
austere gazelle
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Moreover if the " Shadow " is banished, then all the Naaru that can fall into void state will just turn into void at some point and void won't be banished anymore. There will be some kind of trick by the end of Midnight and I think the keyword is harmony. The crown was Amirdrassil, life and death united, we will maybe have " vision of Harmony " or some stuff like that with Shadow + Light together at some point

sleek solar
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They were being overrun, Geya rah and Eitrigg and player fled to MU Azeroth, dont know anything after

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Could have been captured, since Lightbound captured and forced Orcs to turn to the light

sleek solar
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I have to say

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I really miss the Void elves' presence in the expansion so far

upper lantern
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Yeah, I was expecting them to have some presence but it's just Alleria really

sleek solar
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Yep

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Very disappointing

upper lantern
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While I do like the story so far, it's very character-driven. we're just following the troupe, with the only meaningful racial lore being about the Earthen, the Arathi humans and the Nerubians. Not sure it's going to change anytime soon if past expansions are used for reference

tropic trail
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There is still Alleria, she is void elf.

upper lantern
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Yeah, but it's just her personal story. There's nothing involving void elves as a whole

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not a single velf npc anywhere in Khaz Algar

tropic trail
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Maybe they will add something later. 🤔

sleek solar
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I really like the Hallowfall story, and the max level campaign

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But something so void-driven seems like a perfect match to include the V elves

tropic trail
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Yea same it’s epic

rain cave
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The void elves are busy being tutored by umbric and locus

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I think

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This xpac isn't really their place to appear as much

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We'll see them in midnight I'm sure

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I wonder if grand magister rommath will be a notable character as well

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He and umbric sort of parallel eachother

sleek solar
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He better be

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We will "unite" the elven tribes

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I wonder if they will actually unite

rain cave
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Redeemed naga please

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Even if it ends up just being they revert their forms and we get customization options to add naga like bits to elves

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Anything

ember blaze
rain cave
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Probably more now that dalaran is gone

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The void elves recruit from other High elves to pad their numbers

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They're still more of an elite army work in profress with a bunch of trainees though

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I cannot wait for void elf paladins though

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Especially if they get armor and weapons to match

uncut vault
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I think blizz is trying not to overload us with void stuff too early before Midnight

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and yknow, given Midnight is both the quel'thalas xpac and the void xpac, I think it's safe to expect to see them there haha

uncut vault
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so all of the recruits at the moment are just regular elves wielding void like a priest might

deep pawn
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That's why I'm pretty positive we aren't doing anything with the Ethereals this expansion

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Heart of the Manifold would be an epic raid.

austere gazelle
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It'll make sense to go to Ka'resh to see or understand what happened and how it can be countered

ember blaze
sullen dawn
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from PTR

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converstion 1 ^^

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conversation 2 ^^

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goblin discovery of crystal on an island, and arathi preparing airships to investigate in secret

silent urchin
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Interesting

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it would make sense if beledar is just one of many parts of the manifold

sullen dawn
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manifold is titan, beledar is light

silent urchin
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Also feels like it rules out undermine but confirms goblin

sullen dawn
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i dont think it rules out undermine

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island could be k'ezan. we don't quite know how its layered to undermine underneath

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could be possible we travel across the sea in hallowfall to get to undermine

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but yeh, goblins is for sure anyways it seems like, with the arathi and likely earthen joining too

pulsar minnow
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Also keep in mind we have two oceans to work with

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It could be an undersea island

sullen dawn
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yep

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thats what i meant when i said we dont know how k'ezan is layered on top of undermind really

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but it could easily be something else. seems goblins are a focus anyway

pulsar minnow
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Oh yeah. Goblins for sure this expansion

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Undermine guaranteed

silent urchin
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Beledar is definitely light but I feel like it's definitely connected to whatever the titans are doing. We got the lore drop in hallowfall that the planes aren't really as "pure" as we thought, light also includes fire, titan could also include light. Maybe everything mixes a bit. But also they needed light to directly counteract the void after the old gods were "defeated"

sullen dawn
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Things do mix but I don't think there's anything currently hinting at the titans being involved with beledar

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It's not impossible ofc, we just have no evidence one way or the other

silent urchin
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It seems like its been there some time. There's a lot of unanswered questions about what exactly the titans have been doing, and why everything has essentially decayed without them fixing it, but I still feel that if whatever it was doing wasn't connected to the titans they'd have removed it as well

pulsar minnow
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Well that’s assuming Beledar has been there as long as the installation of the coreway has been there

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And even then, what could the titans really do. They can’t pull it out, and if anyone tries getting close it just teleports you away

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Beledar is sentient in some capacity

sullen dawn
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I wonder what kind of crystal the goblins found

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Maybe a giant kajamite crystal

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Source of their intelligence

silent urchin
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My guess is a void-beledar

pulsar minnow
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Isn’t beledars shadow basically already that

silent urchin
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I mean one that's permanently void

rain cave
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Maybe it's a shard of beledar

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Like an important part that got dislodged after the sword stab

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And fell into an island in the underground ocean

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Doesn't have to be in the surface

deep pawn
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Light and order definitely both have their "do as we say or else"

rain cave
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Goblins grab a giant light shard to put in their cannon lmao

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Laser beam

sullen dawn
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Perhaps

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I personally think it's kajamite related but I've nothing to base that on lmao

uncut vault
sullen dawn
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There's definitely strong overlap between them, I'm just not sure the beledar is specifically an example of that

pulsar minnow
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Almost wondering if the mysterious crystal on this island is in the undersea, and is the same sorta crystal the Dark Heart is made of

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I mean we still don’t rlly know how Neltharion made the dark heart, or if he found it

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I actually take it back, def could be related to Beledar and maybe related to Ashbringer

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Ashbringer was made using a dark crystal found on an orc warlock. The running understanding is that it was the remains of a dead naaru. But maybe it’s part of Beledar that got fragmented upon entry into Azeroth. Like this other crystal. We know the dark heart absorbs all kinds of magic. The crystal used to make Ashbringer absorbed a shit ton of light magic until it became light-ified

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Just throwing out ideas idk

sullen dawn
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Would be cool to tie some paladin stuff in for sure

tropic trail
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I thought Beledar was in Nagrand, but it’s Oshu'gun so it’s similar crystal. 🤔

hazy kettle
pulsar minnow
hazy kettle
pulsar minnow
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I’m not saying it’s specifically Beledar

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If we’re going off chronicle, Beledar is supposedly one of thousands of crystals scattered across the cosmos

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And if we assume it crashed into the planet, little bits and pieces breaking off on entry into the planets atmosphere is definitely not out of the question

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Hell, while maybe not canon, season of discovery showed us a shard much like Beledar just lying around in a pool

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Who’s to say they don’t just go “yeah orc warlock found the shard while they were warmongering across Eastern Kingdoms, and it has individually been void corrupted”

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Furthermore we’ve already found what are likely shards of Beledar, independently void corrupted, in the fish questline in Hallowfall

hazy kettle
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Valid point, will consider. Also, what if Beledar - and crystals similar to it - are just the light's variant of "hurl a bunch of shite into planets to turn them to light".

pulsar minnow
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That’s a very likely theory

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And definitely something that could be the case

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And I could totally be just wrong bc I don’t really know what the point of Beledar and Ashbringer being related would be besides “oh cool iconic sword is related to this.”

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That said I kiiiinda wanna see Shalamayne get a Beledar crystal implanted in it by magni. It could be cool

austere gazelle
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Chronicles states that in the early days of the cosmos " cosmic shard of light were ejected through space and ended up nurturing life on the worlds they ended up on "

rose escarp
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I'd just really love some more details on the Light/Void-cycle of Beledar in relation to the Naaru - and it can certainly be done in a way, that it gives us the foundation of hope, even if everything is plunged headfirst in the Void in Midnight.

rose escarp
sleek solar
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Now that I think of it.....

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If we will see Sargeras and Illidan again, does that mean Eredar will unite with the draenei again?

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Also Fel orcs, Fel elves, Fel corruption for draenei and all could be introduced for existing races

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Perhaps a option for Nightborne and void elves to become DH, perhaps even Draenei

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Return of the legion has soooo many possibilities

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Feltotem Tauren

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Gift for Modera? xD

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tropic trail
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Wooot! Is this new quest?? 😹

silent urchin
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its a wq from legion iirc

sleek solar
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Yeah its from Legion haha

silent urchin
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iirc modera also had a line about khadgar being a silver fox during legion, but it got removed at some point

sleek solar
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Awwwww

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I really hope Khadgar will be retired instead of being killed off

tropic trail
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I want Khadgar marriage in game event then. 😌

sleek solar
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Yessss

silent urchin
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I still don't really trust his returning

sleek solar
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We need that

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Already sad we didn't get to see Thallysra or something and Lor'themar wedding

tropic trail
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I hope this voice actor will still be able to stay with us. I heard he is very old.

sleek solar
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At least not in game

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Yeah he is like 70 years old

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Oh 73

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Oh shit he also voices Odyn

tropic trail
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Wait Khadgar actor voices Odyn?

sleek solar
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Yes

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I never knew lol

tropic trail
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What the hell? Haha 😂

silent urchin
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almost everyone who does voices for wow does multiple characters

sleek solar
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A lot do indeed

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Mostly 1 major character, and then background characters

rain cave
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Me hearing aaron de paul in everything

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But to me he will be socrethar forever

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Not reinhardt

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Or nzoth

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Or tyr

sleek solar
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Thats Darin depaul

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I always hear Valkorion in him

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Which is his best work imho

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If you look at the interview with him and the SWTOR devs, he is such a wholesome guy

silent urchin
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He's been at a couple blizzcons and he just seems to be having a genuinely fun time all the time

sleek solar
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Yeah same with the SWTOR cantinas

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"You presume limits to my power. There are none" shivers, just shivers

rain cave
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He even voices a bunch of earthen as well

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Its so funny to me that out of all the voices including literal end bosses and major lore characters I remember socrethar

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Was his first role I think

sleek solar
sleek solar
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Now that I think of it, since Elisande escaped during the DF story, will she play a part in the step to unite the elven tribes?

warm topaz
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i hope so, i love Elisande

sleek solar
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Same

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Imo she wasn't really a villain

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Just a leader who did the necessary for her people

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Because lets be honest, she really didn't want to help the legion

rain cave
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her time visions literally showed it as her only option for her people to live

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and as soon as we showed her that those visions were wrong by killing her, her echo was wayyy more cooperative

austere gazelle
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Yeah she is not a vilain as Kael thas was

uncut vault
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In fairness, her big elf racism speech didnt exactly help sell her image as a victim of circumstance lol

warm topaz
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can she travel in time?

ember blaze
warm topaz
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or 2.7 can't remember

ember blaze
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so is she alive 🤔

warm topaz
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yep

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i don't know the specifics, probably someone with better memory can explain it hahaha

pulsar minnow
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It was for the reviving tyr questline. she had a disc of tyr, we fought her for it back, she realized we were from the future and weren’t enslaved by the legion and figured that her visions of the future were wrong, and so she gave us the disc and just peaced out into another time way

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I’d expect her coming back in midnight

sleek solar
upper pasture
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During dragonflight no? The whole tyr questline. Getting the silver scale and empowering it

sullen dawn
pulsar minnow
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Yeah

sleek solar
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I thought he talked about the quest with the khadgar dialogue I posted before

sleek solar
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That one

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You go into the past, and later try to convince her not to kill you, and get the disc. She then sees the future through you, and teleports to a random place and time

zealous sedge
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How do yall think they are gonna apporach delves in 11.1? Like, are they gonna introduce a couple new ones or a whole new slate of lets say 8 delves. That seems like a ton of work for 1 feature of the season.. but I feel people would get really bored playing the same delves for a whole 2 year expansion. Idk.. but I look at M+ and they always have a rotation of current and past dungeons. It will be intersting to see how they keep it fresh

dense plover
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And then maybe new scenarios for existing delves

zealous sedge
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Ah yeah i was just thinking that.. new iterations on pre-exsiting delves

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maybe a new "Zek'vir" delve too

dense plover
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Definitely a new boss delve - maybe new difficulties too

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With new stuff added for seasonal mechanics

upper pasture
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New “daily” missions would be my guess and of course the few new delves for the new part of the map

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Yeah, idk about new tiers tho, they could just rebalance them to the new itmlvl cap

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Much like how they do normal/H/M0 dungeons

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For preexisting dungeons and whatnots

zealous sedge
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it would be too close to M+ but maybe they try and test out affixes to delves.. i feel that would make people mad though

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i feel there is enough variety in mechanics already

dense plover
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and there would be no progression for a new season

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they would have to reset your rank unlocks which would be difficult considering its tied to account wide achieves

upper pasture
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We get a new follower every season, we will be “re leveling” our seasonal companion

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1-3s for non 80s then they are scaled to the current season. Just like it is now

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And we already sorta have affixes for delves with whatever the seasonal boss empowers. I mean sure most of them are jokes but it creates a variance when zoning in

upper pasture
# dense plover and there would be no progression for a new season

I’m assuming you mean the delve tiers, we would be capped by gear not the natural “do 3 to unlock 4” which we had in the preseason/heroic week. Which they said we aren’t gonna have another heroic week for S2/3 so no reason to gate us and make us unlock them again. Or they could always just make another sub set of achievements and tie them to S2 or something

austere gazelle
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Man this season really went to the drain fast

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Blizzard needs to wake up

deep pawn
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I'm enjoying delves and stuff

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but m+ tuning just isn't fun

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(turns out people don't want super hard group content for loot)

rain cave
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It's been pretty chill for me

austere gazelle
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not if you're hard stuck a 619 cause the crest needed to upgrade your stuff are only dropping on mythic +9 with group requiring 620+ ilvl xD

sullen dawn
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Allow you to get those crests and myth gear

tropic trail
austere gazelle
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As a player used to go as high as 3k rio, being stuck at 2k3 because I can't upgrade my gear since +9 are thrusted by early M+ player // Heroic - Mythic raider with 2k5+ RIO is more than frustrating

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Its not a matter of M+ difficulty which are fine for me - and those difficulty should ease up as you upgrade your stuff , it's just a matter of reward being the same from +2 to +8 with more affixes and more difficulty as you increase your key level. It's a stupid design. Should you get champion and heroic gear, without gilded crests, those are the same. 619 ilvl.

acoustic kraken
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use your own key. i see lots in group finder with lower rio score leaders for +9's

austere gazelle
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Which make you think I didn't do that? I had a +9 key and no healer or tank queue up for one hour and everyone left by boredom

acoustic kraken
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thats weird

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cuz lots of ppl get flooded with applicants

austere gazelle
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As DPS, yeah, sure, I got a tons of them

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Healer and Tank are a rare breed

acoustic kraken
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:/

austere gazelle
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Why picking a group with 2k3 rating leader when you have group with 2k5 + rating guy ?

acoustic kraken
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cuz ppl get 100+ applying

austere gazelle
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yeah because gilded drop only in +9 so all the 619 ppl are applying like madman and tank and healer pick the best looking group ^^

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blizz should spread gilded to other key level to ease up this hellish situation

acoustic kraken
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you could spam t8's for map piece or try raiding to upgrade some to get the 620ilvl so you can then get a group if thats a barrier? but tbf those crest are only needed to push high end group content and isnt really designed for puggin anyway. so best bet prolly to find a good group

rain cave
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Gear has historically been harder to get as you get closer to the cap

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Even then crests aren't a huge deal since that's just for the little upgrade system thing

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That's like a gear supplement system. Don't stress about it lmao

austere gazelle
# rain cave Welcome to high ilvl ig?

I ran M+ to high RIO from legion till now, never have been stuck so hard because of gear.

At the moment because of their system, Heroic Gear = Normal gear if you don't have gilded crest, which is absurd

rain cave
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Rio?

rain cave
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Like mythic is the cap xD

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And that's very slow we're not even that far into this patch

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Get some other toons going, try some of the other specs ig

deep pawn
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Myth crests need to go back to +7 or +6 like they were in df

austere gazelle
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+7 would line up with challenger's peril which would be ok

deep pawn
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everyone be shocked patch is the 22nd exactly like datamined

upper pasture
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Yeah because people are silly and couldn’t believe a anniversary patch come out before Nov lol

deep pawn
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it's also exactly 8 weeks

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now Christmas is gonna delay 11.0.7 to the new year sadly haha

silent urchin
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I'm a little bit surprised it didn't slip to the 29th but most of the content isn't anything dependent on TWW so it's probably a completely different internal team

deep pawn
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I do wonder how soon we'll get the 11.0.7 ptr if it releases the first week of january

sullen dawn
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And 11.1 in early march

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Warcraft direct early December when they always release their roadmap

sullen dawn
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Maybesl second week

deep pawn
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unless you have insider info to suggest a long season 1.

sullen dawn
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It's kind of semantics as it'd be very very late February if they managed to get it in Feb

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Like 26th territory

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Nope no insider info. Just had my own view on how i thought things would go

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They don't need to wait until the direct to out 11 0 7 on ptr sincd it'll be out so early in the year and the direct imo is the evolution of the roadmap

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It'll be about warcraft in 2025

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Like the bit events across the year

deep pawn
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I'm gonna say February 18th for 11.1

sullen dawn
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Maybe even some stuff beyond just wow

deep pawn
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Season start the week after.

sullen dawn
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That seems very early, but yeh that's the absolute soonest it could come

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I expect min 2 weeks after that, maybe 3

deep pawn
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nah, it'd already be longer than DF season 1

sullen dawn
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Aye but there's the anniversary raid and we don't know what .0.7 entails

deep pawn
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x.x.7's didn't last very long in DF, and if 11.0.7 is Jan 7th, 6 weeks after is Feb 18.

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PTR already has the end date of the anniversary being like January 6th.

sullen dawn
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Its possible, I just think it's a littl on the early side. But it does depend on what .0.7 is

deep pawn
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it won't be big, I doubt we even get the island

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Forbidden Reach was already made and ready to go

sullen dawn
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Yeh I expect .0.7 pretty much exactly on the 6th jan

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From there it's either 6 or 8 weeks until .1

deep pawn
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Every x.x.7 patch shocked everyone with how short they were.

sullen dawn
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We're kind of arguing semantics I think. It's a narrow range

deep pawn
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Even 10.2.7 was very short haha.

sullen dawn
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True

deep pawn
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Expansion launched a whole month earlier than most people estimated.

sullen dawn
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I thought it was gonna be 2 weeks earlier than it was lol

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Said August since then blizzcon hehe

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*the

deep pawn
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the big tell will be if the roadmap mentions alpha at all

sullen dawn
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In terms of moving into and general twsss cadance for sure

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Alpha should be in 2025 some time though aye

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Hoping for 16 months between expansions but 18 to 20 is more likely

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Even at 20 thatd be an April 2026 launch which would have April later next year

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I like the idea of 16 months because it means each saga is 48 months i.e. 2 years

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Which means they'd be fitting 3 expansions in the same time it used to take them 3

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Im not sure if they can make that cadance though. Would basically be back to back content delivery the whole saga. Would be nice

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18 months with s Feb 2026 launch for midnight is my current realistic guess though

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So alpha should kick off in like October

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If they manage the 16 month cadance, alpha probably roughly one year after tww launch, in august

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Probably too optimistic

ionic terrace
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i know it's random, but funny

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silent urchin
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Yeah I saw that guy. Sat around for a while but it doesn't seem like it's meant to be a costume or anything

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doesnj't make a lot of sense

rain cave
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would be funny if the in-unvierse explanation of the 20th anniversary event is just a continuation of the ethereals watching and studying us like trial of style

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the events are similar

silent urchin
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There's one of them in stormwind too

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also a bunch of the new dracthyr class NPCs wandering around

sullen dawn
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Big "hello fellow azerothians" vibes

rain cave
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these are cool, why are they on the cata classic ptr?

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we getting MoP classic special edition preorder soon?

ionic terrace
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i want

deep pawn
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If it doesn't fly that'd be sad

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That tiger model already flies for monks

rain cave
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wen'lo

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I'd guess it'll fly since it's most likely a preorder bonus

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or special edition

deep pawn
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Previous ones didn't always

austere gazelle
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Mmm so the beledar isnt some naaru. Its the crystallized blood of Azeroth world soul

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And there are several like this dispatched beneath the world

silent urchin
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is taht speculation or something new that's come out

rose escarp
rain cave
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It has runes

austere gazelle
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It is. It's been leaked

rain cave
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Azeroth has woons

rain cave
austere gazelle
silent urchin
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There being multiple isn't a huge surprise, I feel like that was incredibly strongly hinted at with the manifold stuff, and now the new rumours on PTR

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Being azeroth's blood is... maybe fits. Especially with the stuff about how arathi were using all the radiant shards to make their special equipment

austere gazelle
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It also strengthen the link between Azeroth - Elune - Naaru

silent urchin
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I'm still expecting us to find a fully void version of one of these crystals

austere gazelle
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Yep.
And as I theorized way before, those crystal didn't fall on Azeroth, they were expelled from within ( as we can see on the impact on the ceiling of Hallowfall )

austere gazelle
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And Azeroth might have been the source of it all, including those " shards of Light "

suffused the matter of myriad worlds with the spark of life, giving rise to creatures of wondrous 
and terrible diversity```
pulsar minnow
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To be fair we’ve had “leaks” before that looked legit but were fake

austere gazelle
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It's basically ( and most probably ) the next week " Azeroth Vault of Memories " weekly quest

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Archideas explaining what the manifold is and works and how they encountered those shard of calcified blood of the world soul

rain cave
austere gazelle
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Private message

rain cave
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So not a source

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Not one you can prove lol

austere gazelle
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ok I can share those, it come from a warcraft lore discord and some PTR datamining 🙂

silent urchin
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Ah it's a new disc quest

lone mantle
silent urchin
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honestly we may get that before 11.0.5

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surprised it was active on PTR

austere gazelle
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Apparently it was supposed to be activated this week

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so most probably we'll have it next reset

silent urchin
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last bit is very interesting, explains a lot about khaz algar.. I was pretty confused at what the titans were doing if it was abandoned

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does it also mean there are intact parts of the manifold?

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Also very much confirms the coreway can go deeper

austere gazelle
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Well I think the manifold is apparently still connected between Uldum and Ulduar, at the very least

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The Halls of Origination and the Forge of Earthen are apparently still working and powered.

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Interestingly enough, I think what also powered Tyrhold is one of this Shards" fragment

sleek solar
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Yeah I saw those at a lore discord earlier today too

austere gazelle
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Real question is : what is the source of power that make its all works? The world soul itself? Can't be or else Khaz Algar wouldn't have had issues ( since apparently the coreway link directly to it )

silent urchin
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titan stuff presumably includes its own power sources

tropic trail
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Maybe it wasn’t even meant to be Titan but Titans installed their machines inside it.

pulsar minnow
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They were probably connected to the engines

deep pawn
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We managed to connect the forge of reorigination and nalaksha

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The chamber of heart and MOTHER were able to check in on almost all we knew of.

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We haven't been inside Ulduar since what, Legion?

pulsar minnow
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BFA

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Oh wait ulduar not uldum

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Stupid Titan names

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Yeah Legion probably

deep pawn
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I know Mimiron was cold.

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Told mother to go away basically

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During the Dark Heart quests Ulduar was sealed off with magic.

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I just don't know if we've been inside since Odyn said he was visiting

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It may have been BfA with hunters

pulsar minnow
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I still kinda don’t think that’s all there is to Beledar. The crystal doesn’t allow anything to get close to it and is inscribed with runes and patterns all over

deep pawn
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Perhaps it was one that was colonized by the light?

pulsar minnow
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Idk how the light would even do that tho

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One thing to keep in mind is they say it’s calcified world soul essence not blood

austere gazelle
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true.

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It might be connected to World souls Memories.
Exactly like the Earthen memory shard are

pulsar minnow
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Idk about that. I think that’s too “titan” in a way. Which Azeroth is most certainly not at this point

austere gazelle
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Well I agree, but there is all this stuff with Zekvir being tasked by Xalatath to destroy Azeroth's memories he found

deep pawn
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It's the prime world so may exhibit all forces. If the second crystal the goblins found calling is nature or chaos it'd make more sense as essence

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If it's just another light/shadow crystal

pulsar minnow
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Yeah. I think this is the radiant song

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Crystals waking up the planet

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Fuck did we just walk into final fantasy

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Where’s Clive when you need him

austere gazelle
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or Diablo...

The World Stone was basically a giant crystal which was the eye* of Anu, the Original god

pulsar minnow
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What are the odds the roots of Elun’ahir just so happen to be wrapped around a giant green nature crystal

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Still kinda wonder if the crystals beneath the surface might be Azeroth’s children

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It’s not entirely ruled out

austere gazelle
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Since they are Naaru's like, and that the fish quest mentionned that it was dark before the crystal emitted light, and that the mural on Azj Kahet shown a crystal of void ... there is something fishy , and maybe the light version of that crystal is not its original state

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It also reinforce the link between Azeroth - Elune ( who supposedly is a giant naaru ) - and Elune having created the Naaru.
Since Elune is told to be the children of the EarthMother - Azeroth - and that those crystal are essences of Azeroth, then a child of Azeroth would naturally be a part of her essence

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I really do believe that Azeroth is the nexus of the cosmos, and that the First Ones enslaved her to power up their framework, and that she is the source of all the cosmic forces we know - probably the seventh - mentionned by Al'Firim

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That's also why First Ones artifacts were retrieved in the ruins of the black empire - which might implies that Azeroth was probably there before the framework was put in place -

pulsar minnow
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While I agree with a good bit of this, I dont think Elune is a naaru

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We’ve been told she’s of the life pantheon

austere gazelle
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Oh that's not what I was implying , but that the connexion between her and Azeroth is made clearer by those revelation about the Beledar

pulsar minnow
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Oh yeah

austere gazelle
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Forgive my french :p

pulsar minnow
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No you’re good

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My general rough idea is that Azeroth is a first one. But I also kinda hope blizzard goes down the route of saying “hey the titans masqueraded as the first ones and ordered the shadowlands”

austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
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It wouldn’t make sense but it would be nice if they just tied a neat little bow on shadowlands before sweeping it under the rug forever

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So it can be forgotten forever

austere gazelle
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so there was an embodiement of Order and that's why you can find trace of Order on shadowlands I guess

pulsar minnow
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Yeah. We only know of two so far. I’m fairly certain Argus is the Embodiment of Death

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Hence why he got flung to the shadowlands when he died

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And Azeroth is Unity or whatever

austere gazelle
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yeah the seventh. A fractal because she is what bring all of the other together, being in the framework but also outside of it

rain cave
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The implication that each fragment is different force?

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Since it would be weird if it was all light shards

rain cave
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And the first ones seem to be stronger

austere gazelle
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if this is linked to chronicles, and if those fragments are what was flung into the cosmos at the dawn of creation, and that those fragments contains Azeroth's memories and dream

Can we say that Azeroth seeded life with her dreams across the cosmos? And that with shard of light also came shard of void that brought the curse of Flesh on other worlds, ?

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Can we also wonder it the Old Gods might not have came from outside, but from within Azeroth ?

pulsar minnow
rain cave
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Combinations of light death and order

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But when everything split they died or went missing

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And titans took over

pulsar minnow
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I think there was probably a schism in the first one’s ranks. Which is why we’ve heard of only two world souls so far

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That said there was a lot of world souls no?

austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
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Sargeras just started killing em

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We have K’aresh, Argus, and Azeroth so far

austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
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I mean I thought the general theory was that Telogrus was a piece of karesh

austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
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Telogrus is the remains of a destroyed void infested planet

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Kinda fits the description of K’aresh

austere gazelle
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I heard that there was a description that Telogrus was destroyed by anger and cleaved in half which refered to Sargeras First infected world soul meet up

pulsar minnow
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Yeah you’re probably right

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It did come out in legion, so makes sense

austere gazelle
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its still unconfirmed anyway

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Even shattered as it is, this place echoes with the whispers of the great ones who were slain... and the hatred of he who broke this world

worn crown
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Would be nice if people stopped wanting things they don't like to "disappear"

Each person has their own preferences

And is terrible storytelling to just ignore past events in a narrative

If I was going to do that, I would probably want WoD and BfA to be deleted forever, but I don't keep saying it at every opportunity

pulsar minnow
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Yes because suggesting an idea means I say it at every opportunity

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I don’t want shadowlands completely gone but a lot of the ideas it brought in were really disliked

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Gods like Elune being robots for one is an insanely bland concept that I want them to effectively overwrite

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Shadowlands shouldn’t be forgotten no. I’m exaggerating when I say that. Should its mistakes be brought forward? Hell no.

silent urchin
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they're not literally robots though

pulsar minnow
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Is that not a robot

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The idea that if a god dies a magic 3d printer will just make a new one sucks imo

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It can exist on its own. In regards to the Eternal ones of Shadowlands. But I strongly believe this concept should not be brought forward for Zereth Vitas

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If anything make them made of roots and vine not metal

silent urchin
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they were created, for sure. But after creation they're fully living gods. It's just like many real life creation mythologies.

pulsar minnow
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Half of the jailers story in SL was getting back his robot core thing

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And when he died he reverted back into a robot. The only thing I really meant by saying shadowlands should be swept under the rug is this concept. It undercuts a lot of the spectacle of what makes the gods of WoW really cool, and eliminates any mystery as to what they really are

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tropic trail
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There is plenty of these robots in sepulcher that look like him. I wonder if the Jailer tried to replicate himself or they were just there.

pulsar minnow
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They’re empty vessels. They serve as bodies for the eternal ones to keep the machine of death running

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Should one die

ember blaze
pulsar minnow
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Removes any mystery from these uber powerful beings

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“The arbiter is dead, what will we do?”

bzzzt one arbiter for delivery!

silent urchin
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I don't necessarily disagree with that but that's also why I dislike pretty much the whole written down cosmology chart as a whole

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"oh there's another, more powerful layer of gods"

ember blaze
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as well as just being able to ress anyone

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like anduin ressing khadgar, or DKs, or forsaken

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or those druid gods where if they die, they just pop out eventually back alive

austere gazelle
# pulsar minnow Gods like Elune being robots for one is an insanely bland concept that I want th...

Elune is not a robot.

Whats to be understood is that Eternal one requires to be dead to go to the shadowlands to begin with. They are shapeless souls given form and tangibility with robot constructs.

In Grimoire of Shadowlands, its specifically said that Elune and the Winter Queen existed prior that in reality and had to take their respectives role given to them by the first Ones and separated, the Winter Queen being a soul and having a prototype implies that her soul was sent to the shadowlands to be filled into a construct like the arbiter ( we saw that with pelagos ). In short : she had to die to assume her role.

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So with that logic I assume the robot factory into the Sepulcher is just unique to the shadowlands and is probably different in the other Zereth and maybe do not exists at all

tropic trail
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Before they put that soul from Zovaal to Arbiter and he was still pretty much alive after that. He just had a hole in chest.

austere gazelle
tropic trail
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Yea that’s possible

pulsar minnow
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The only facts we know are that the first ones made the shadowlands. We also know all the Eternal Ones had prototype versions of themselves as we saw in Sepulcher, bar the Jailer of course. Their complete cosmic essence, their souls, inhabit complete vessels. That is the pantheon we know. Whether they had to die to go to the shadowlands is complete speculation.

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Pelagos is a special exception to the rule, being a mortal soul taking over an Eternal One's vessel in the absense of the Arbiter

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We know the Winter Queen's sister is Elune, and opposites of one another. One Life, the other Death. The implication is that, because the Winter Queen is a soul in a robot vessel, and that she and Elune are sisters, that Elune would also be a soul in a robot vessel. I do not personally want this to be the case, because I think that is lame. For that reason I really hope Blizz avoids going down that route with other pantheons and gives them a different form of creation, and that their planes of existence don't operate like a "machine"

zealous sedge
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Can I just say with the anniversary event coming up and reading the articles today, why the hell do we have 7 different currencies to purchase stuff? I don’t care about the grind, it just gets so confusing. Sometimes WoW feels literally unplayable unless you have a second monitor with wowhead popped up on your browser. Anyways, event looks fun, can’t wait to try it.

silent urchin
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it's really only two

zealous sedge
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Also do we think the rewards from coffer keys (capped at 120, and only available thru BRD) is gonna be season 1 gear or just transmog? Can’t think of another reason why they would cap the currency

silent urchin
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it's actual gear

zealous sedge
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Word, I’m curious how powerful it is. I hope it’s a good way to gear alts for season 2

deep pawn
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it's hero gear and the event ends before s2

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it'll be replaced by normal raid gear in s2

austere gazelle
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It go even further by saying they were chosen for these role specifically because they were sisters

pulsar minnow
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Nowhere does it say they existed prior

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austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
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Ok. That’s still a stretch

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What the book is saying is the forces needed to be bound tightly. They designed two sisters and put them in their respective roles in those planes so that they would be bound out of familial ties to one another no matter the distance. They then grew apart, with the winter queen growing resentful having been separated

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They still created the winter queen and supposedly elune

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“Assumed” doesn’t mean that she died to get the role. It means she was designed for the role and took it when the time came for her to fulfill her purpose. I don’t really know why this is a debate when there’s literally a prototype version of her as a raid boss in Sepulcher. You’re welcome to have your theories and I’ll just hold onto my opinions about shadowlands lore. 🤷‍♂️

uncut vault
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Funnily, the only thing we explicitly know is that Ardenweald existed before the Winter Queen, not the other way around

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Marasmius, the mushroom travel network NPC, existed before ardenweald was made into a grove when the Winter Queen arrived

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There was a time when hard work was valued in these parts. Of course, then she came along and got all fancy with her trees and groves. Nobody remembers old Marasmius. "Oh sure, use the network," they always say. And do I hear a word of gratitude? No!
<Somehow, Marasmius's grumblings seems to fade away into the distance despite him not moving at all.>

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I've been down here for ages. I remember the early days, it was just me and the Queen herself. We kept awful busy back then. She's a real hard worker too...

austere gazelle
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Shadowlands lore is messy anyway ^^ But we know that the Eternal ones require a soul to work, the prototype are just that, prototype, maybe they are just test construction without soul imbued into them.

For the Arbiter, there were container with specific - powerful soul at the ready to infuse a new construction to make a new one, so we defo knows that a soul is required to craft another eternal one. That's why I theorized that the Winter queen was alive, and because she had a strong bond with a sister, it was that bond the First Ones deemed useful to make the Life and Death realm works in tandem, so they sent each other to their respective planes, and to join the plane of death well... You have to give your soul - IE die - and then your soul will be infused into a robot construction that would adapt to your designed role.

That's my theory nobody is forced to agree with this, but I firmly believe that Elune is not a robot and that the process does not works like this in the Plane of Life, and that its specific to the Shadowlands. Titans arent robots for example, they are born from world soul ( but that another topic since apparently a world soul can be whatever based on what force influence it, so we can argue that titans aren't possibly the real " master " of the plane of Order )

sleek solar
rain cave
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Also of note

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Brokers use ardenweald to represent life. And moon iconography for both life and death

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Considering elune wanted to help her sister by trying to send souls to her, and the wq is actually more about life and regrowth

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I'd say wq is life in death and elune is death in life

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Elune could be in the life pantheon to literally keep it in balance

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(Balance druids)

pulsar minnow
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Just like the titans though, they were just made by the First Ones

rain cave
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We don't know that for sure

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I've always got the impression they had lives before their titles and jobs

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And were put into their roles to work

austere gazelle
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When we try to make a new arbiter, in one of the chamber we were asking to retrieve a soul waiting there to put it into the robot, but then dreadlords and the soul was kaput. And apparently a special type of soul was required

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Only pelagos was fitting after that

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They can't make soul from scratch or else all that storyline would have been dull ( why couldn't they fabric another "' arbiter soul " in ZM then instead of choosing pelagos ? )

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Robot are just Vessel, needing to be filled in with a soul

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( The dreadlords even tried to put argus soul into the new arbiter vessel )

rain cave
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The vessel was ready and needed something in it that moment or it would fail

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So pelagos just jumped n

austere gazelle
rain cave
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Yes

deep pawn
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Souls aren't anima.

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Souls collect anima by living.

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Given the predestination going on with the First Ones I assumed they just made the soul knowing it was to be needed

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At least I presume the first soul was made by the first ones.

rain cave
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I wonder if Anima is basically a souls ability to manipulate fate

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which is why it would be so important to order beings

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and also why the void would attack the shadowlands

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since it's also established that mortals have a unique ability to just fuck over fate

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fate ig could also be flavoured as reality in a way as well

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since if you can manipulate your own fate, you are a powerful being and literally change reality to what you want

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Illidan was kind of our first implementation of that as an idea in modern expacs ig

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and fate was a big thing in SL

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Jailer wanted the soul of Azeroth, specifically I assume to harvest her powerful anima. To change reality.

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So perhaps what causes the whole anima phenomenon is literally fragments of whatever azeroth is inside all mortal beings, the thing that gives us free will and the ability to control our own fate

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and would reinforce the idea of Azeroth being this big prime reality being, especially with the name matching the "dreaming reality" lovecraft god

pulsar minnow
rain cave
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yes but are the titans the true pantheon of order

pulsar minnow
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That said Grimoire can always be retconned/recontextualized like chronicle was but that’s the current understanding

pulsar minnow
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I’m really hoping they reveal some of the pantheon of titans aren’t actually titans but from other pantheons converted to titan. Like Argus was

rain cave
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the brokers claim they basically stole the spotlight

pulsar minnow
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I think it could be applied to Sargeras and Eonar. Being intended for Fel and Life pantheons but now converted

rain cave
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I disagree in the sense that I do think titans are titans

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and are being of order

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but, I also think that those order beings have overstepped and are trying to lock other pantheons into their order

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Eonar is the lifebinder, she is meant to be its controller (like my proposed elune idea as well, which is interesting since we know they have a link)

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Aman'thul controls time, arguably in the way the light wants one true timeline

pulsar minnow
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Would make the titans all the more horrifying

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#SargerasWasRight

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Lmao

rain cave
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one minor thing the did but is a strange detail they've not expanded on is that the titans are literally comprised of 2 subspecies

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Sargeras wasn't even right since his ideaology wasn't his own

pulsar minnow
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I’m kidding

rain cave
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was literally just dreadlords whispering him and goading him into goin sicko mode

pulsar minnow
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Yeah. Gosh that retcon was kinda lame

rain cave
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ehh I think it works

pulsar minnow
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I like the idea of dread lords being denathrius’ doing

rain cave
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like Sargeras's original idea was pure

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the dreadlords couldn't literally change his goal

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or his target

pulsar minnow
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I think we just need to see more of how Sargeras thought about it. Despite being the biggest and greatest wow villain he’s got like the least screen time which is crazy to me

rain cave
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but they fed him biased info

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and used him for other means

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"oh damn Sarg you hate the void? go cut a bunch of planets in half it'll stop them turning void trust. Totally won't feed souls to the death realm"

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Sargeras's original purpose is also interesting since he was liuterally just meant to go slay demons

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the implication being that in this weird proto ancient universe the demons still just invaded reality of their own volition for some reason

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and for some reason he had to discover that they regenerated in the twisting nether, he didn't even know that at first despite being a full on demon slaying titan

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that sort of echoes of someone who's been given a purpose by someone else

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like amanthul or someone else just said "aight sarg stay here, no questions please."

austere gazelle
deep pawn
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There's a soul factory somewhere.

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It is interesting that order and void create flesh and souls from rock and metal.

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It sorta mimics what life did to elementals.

austere gazelle
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Probably in the plane of Life ( Elune is throwing souls randomly in the cosmos? xD )

rain cave
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Nah life doesn't need souls

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I think "souls" are just something inherent to combining forces in reality

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and a soul that is imbalanced becomes less and less 'mortal'

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idk

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but it's pretty clear the 'mortal' souls are the ones that are the valuable ones

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and every mortal race has appeared due to a combination of forces

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even the earthen can now be considered 'mortals' ever since being imbued with Azeroth's power instead of the titans coding

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which just further gives credence to the idea of Azeroth and mortals being the sort of "reality and fate control" thing

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or an amalgam/ combination of all, alternatively something new outside thme main 6

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but even the flecks of Azerite in oribos, Oribos being the conduit for mortal souls

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Azeroth is seemingly tied to whatever causes Mortals to be what they are

deep pawn
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The Earthen had already been partially afflicted by the curse

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They just stayed robotic

rain cave
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they chose to make the playable earthen different than the NPC ones

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if what someone posted earlier is true though and Azeroth is actually a light entity?

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that is... interesting

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especially with the growing antaagonism from the light

deep pawn
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She's the prime world soul, I doubt she's any one force

pulsar minnow
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The radiant song is all about all the 6 forces coming together equally

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At least that’s what they said in Zereth mortis

austere gazelle
ember blaze
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so can all beings be more than one thing? Like naaru being light and void. Eonar life and a titan, sargeras a titan + demon?

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or is a thing just unique to certain individuals

silent urchin
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Was also mentioned on the secret finding discord but not sure who was first or if it's the same person

rain cave
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Why is it something the secret finding group have to find even if they re added it after removing that's so strange

silent urchin
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I mean, a vendor at the peak of serenity isn't particularly secret

rain cave
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Fair

silent urchin
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It may well end up in the patch notes anyway

rain cave
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But why was it removed in the first place

silent urchin
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v0v maybe just technical reasons if they ever redid animations or something

rain cave
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I remember back in like mop or wod that thing existed

silent urchin
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removed with legion pre-patch apparently

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when they ripped out the old glyph system, guess it just didn't get converted

deep pawn
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Oh it is actually on a vendor now?

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It was datamined in beta but they never added the actual glyph item.

silent urchin
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Yup, went and tried myself, 500g, seems functional

deep pawn
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I'm wondering what the mountain dew promotion will be

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The FF14 mountain dew promotion was kinda stupid

vague sail
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Hey sorry if this is been already asked but do we have any idea of the upcoming meta for M+ in 11.0.5 ?

austere gazelle
sleek solar
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Coming back to Khadgar also voicing Odyn, he is a little joke xD

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tropic trail
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Wait what deathlord? 👀

sleek solar
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Deathlord is a title you got during the DK class hall

tropic trail
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Damn imagine dialogue between Khadgar and Odyn 😅

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Scourginator lol 🤣

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Epic name

sleek solar
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Hahaha thanks!

sleek solar
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Kinda shit name tbh

rain cave
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or this gem

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sleek solar
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Meh

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Sig mama le

frosty rover
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Betamaleshaman

rain cave
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I just reada the note on the table in cinderbrew and it's interesting

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it's hinting that the cinderbrew has more to it

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like ofc it's kind of angled as just a cool thing the earthen do

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but isn't it actually a titan given edict to make it or was it an unbound self given edict?

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the cinderbrew bees basically being elemental and life combined isf relevant to the current story I'd say

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and makes me wonder what the goblins could use it for. I know they've got a lot of flamethrowers lying around in Azjkahet, and there's a paritcular interest in the roots going on

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but I don't think they'd play the "large tree object" threatened by "fire of some type" card again

uncut vault
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I think the dungeon's mostly a one-off, I figure they'll go more general deforestation vibes if we get haranir vs venture co

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think Avatar, but warcraft lol

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I wouldn't be surprised if they even have Xal'atath involved with some kind of "here's this juiced up fuel (that totally isnt black blood), use it for even more profit!" deal

rain cave
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and there's that new company blackfuse or whatever it's called

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wouldn't surprise me if they discovered that the cinderbrew is basically napalm and they can use it in their flamethrowers

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and they're void aligned gobbos

silent urchin
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https://x.com/mrgmyt/status/1846241297012871315

MrGM (@MrGMYT) on X

A new 12-month World of Warcraft subscription offer just dropped with some additional rewards

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although I don't see it yet

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ah I see it in the app, but not in game

upper pasture
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cat mount

tropic trail
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Nice I want this mount

warm topaz
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i need dates, Warcraft Direct, something about 11.0.7

upper pasture
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knowing more about whatever the warcraft direct is would be great.

silent urchin
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Would be nice. But at this point I'm not expecting any announcements til after 11.0.5 goes live

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or possibly with it

upper pasture
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Probably, makes the most sense to not steal the thunder of one event with another. I could totally see the announcement be along side the anniversary event.

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Like everything goes live and then a “more news of what’s to come X date at the Warcraft direct”

deep pawn
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It'll either be first week of November to match traditional Blizzcon, or early December.

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First week of November to announce 11.0.7 and the 2025 roadmap would be great

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11.0.7 is likely going live first Tuesday in January.

sullen dawn
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When they do the roadmap

sullen dawn
deep pawn
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Twice is not a pattern

sullen dawn
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Buts it's better than random conjecture

silent urchin
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makes some sense, they have been set up somewhat as annual things and the last one did go to 11.0.5

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but also I want it now

sullen dawn
austere gazelle
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Remember that the pattern may change since we're an official trilogy of expansions with the goal of releasing them " faster "

zealous sedge
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Yall think this Warcraft 3 patch 2.0 thing was just a fluke or could we see a substantial update to the game. It has a special place in my heart lol

sleek solar
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Just to clarify on people who havent read it; its Warcraft 3 reforged, not the OG xD

warm topaz
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there was a survey back in january 2023

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it's possible to see something in the Warcraft Direct

silent urchin
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they've done quite a lot of patches to reforged since that survey, I think most of the major issues were fixed? If there is a 2.0 it's probably something new

zealous sedge
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Yeah that is my thinking. It’s all fixed up now. Would be cool if they do something new. Or do they revamp 1 and 2 and lump it all into one game

silent urchin
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Did they sneak anything new into the patch notes or is it all what was in the ptr notes

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I'm not sure if blizz actually keep the first post updated on the ptr notes

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seems they do but theres so many wording and formatting changes it's hard to tell anything

silent urchin
upper pasture
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Oh no! Now they aren’t completely op during cleanse week

silent urchin
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oh, end date for the anniversary

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jan 6th

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from the end of the video

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIinINqMBWI

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And a fair few other clarifications

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jan 6th is the 11 weeks that was found in datamining so not a huge surprise

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almost certainly patch on the 7th

deep pawn
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yep

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Which means 11.0.7 ptr should be early november

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Patch has to basically be tested before Christmas

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Greedy me hopes for 11.1 ptr in December too

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I'm still gonna pencil in 6 weeks after Jan 7

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Small chance it's 4 weeks.

sullen dawn
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Could randomly pop up any time after this seekt though. There's been an encrypted 11.0.7 ptr build for a while now

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Some people even have access to it and some music files for the 11.1 zone

deep pawn
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Indeed, but generally Blizzard likes to give a patch a week to breath

sullen dawn
deep pawn
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I still think that'll be first week of November cause of Blizzcon week

sullen dawn
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Could be as soon as this time next week

sullen dawn
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But datamining might be sooner

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Maybe