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austere gazelle
deep pawn
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Her feet are gonna transform into tentacles at some point and we're all gonna go yamete

austere gazelle
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You saw the gray item " idol of the harbinger " ?
Its creepy as fuck

pulsar minnow
dense plover
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thats 100% not a new sprite

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they reuse icons

rain cave
ionic terrace
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oh nice

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zealous sedge
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this gotta turn into a portal to somewhere at some point

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sorry if this was alreayd pointed out before

dense plover
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hard to say

zealous sedge
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oh true

deep pawn
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they literally copypasted the chamber of heart including the horrific visions portal

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I just assumed they were lazy

zealous sedge
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ohh yeah could be that too i guess

dense plover
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definitely intentional b/c the first version was actually different

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it didnt have the cracks or the portal

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or the azeroth terminal thingy

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they intentionally MADE it a copy

zealous sedge
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i hope its intentional. would love to see some more titan stuff

harsh mason
tropic trail
austere gazelle
white talon
hazy kettle
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Chekov's gun and Rule of Three

acoustic kraken
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they touch the ground right? and last bit of campaign story we see through that elf's eyes that the black blood veins are all over. i bet they seeped into there magically somehow

rain cave
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If they wanted to frame her as above everything they could use other techniques

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The fact they're showing her feet floating specifically

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I'd guess they're reinforcing that she's like a ghost, ephemeral, ungrounded

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She's not just above people in terms of status, she's literally operating on a higher plane

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Whenever she is there, there's no physical evidence to be left like footprints

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Like every time she has appeared it's arguable if she's actually there or not

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Or just a vision/apparition

hazy kettle
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I feel like she's also above the void going by this context.

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No evidence to back that up, just getting that vibe from lines like in the raid-finale cinematic about the 'price of the void'. CoconaSweat

acoustic kraken
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mb its all hallucinations and the war within was just a battle of our inner mind. and the devs gonna after 3 expacs for the saga pull the it was all a dream ending and we wake up in the emerald dream in dragonflight

tepid fiber
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The real question is, is it Blizzard and Knaifu's director who has a foot thing or is the reality that there are a bunch of players who are merely projecting onto totally innocuous scenes just because there are feet in them? Like damn dawg people have feet just let them exist, it's not always about Magical Realm bs dracthyr_lulmao

harsh mason
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Let me remind everyone that Fyrakk, unlike the others, did not wear shoes either🗿

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Although he had armor

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Even before 10.2 he had armor (these chest plates were actually removable)

rain cave
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Somewhere in the pipeline

tepid fiber
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Is there though

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Is there really

rain cave
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No there is, I'm not saying it is story wise

tepid fiber
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I think y'all just stretching for anything to meme

rain cave
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I'm saying at some point in the process of making those cut scenes

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Somebody at some point put importance on it

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Her feet are incredibly detailed compared to others, was it the texture artists?

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Was it the writers and story boarders?

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The director?

tepid fiber
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Everything is more textured these days

rain cave
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Somebody locked in to make those feet stick out even if there's no story motive lmao

tepid fiber
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I think people just want a reason to talk about feet

rain cave
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The feet are important to someone in the dev team

tepid fiber
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Degens, the lot of ya 🗞️

hazy kettle
tepid fiber
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Or a therapist

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Men... would literally rather create an entire conspiracy board to play Who Farted than go to therapy

acoustic kraken
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just blame it on the dog and skip therapy

glass flicker
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Can somebody please link Arcane Ignorance real quick?

rain cave
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xD

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that at some point in the pipeline between concepting and final, somebody has gone "I must make Xal's feet a focal point" even if it has no story relevance

warm topaz
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Ara-Kara last boss is pain

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i just did it as a healer just with the tank

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around 7 minutes of fight lol

silent urchin
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it takes a bit of getting used to, for sure

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one of the key things is that you can cancel the root by CCing the black bloods

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otherwise you need to start hitting it pretty damn early to avoid the overlap with webs that comes very soon after the draw in

warm topaz
tropic trail
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I don’t like this dungeon where you have to fly from ship to ship. I don’t know its name but it’s annoying.

warm topaz
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Dawnbreaker

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i think it's really fun

tropic trail
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Oh yea this.

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Fly here, fly there. 😅

upper pasture
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Dawnbreaker has super good boss fights on mythic

silent urchin
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it's a little weird going from the moving with the ship frame of reference to the regular frame of reference

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and getting stuck in ships or ships getting desynced or whatever also kinda ruins the experience

deep pawn
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I think you should keep some inertia from the ships haha

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If they could do it in Wrath

subtle oar
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Not you, but the DPS in your group, likely were full zugging it

warm topaz
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i mean, it's normal

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its kind of a crazy fight

hazy kettle
sullen dawn
glass flicker
austere gazelle
rain cave
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why do I get the feeling we're going to get sucked into the dark heart as part of xalatath's raid

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and we fight things inside it, like old dalaran prisoners and whatever else she's sucked up

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perhaps we could even get an echo of galakrond 👀

deep pawn
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he's too big

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I feel like the megadungeon already did it fine

rain cave
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if it's an echo they can change his size

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like avatar of sarg

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still make him big but, not as big

warm topaz
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they hotfixe delves and now they are really hard

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but in the post they only mention about increasing HP

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so maybe it's not intended?

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bc it's true that mobs die a lot slower but they hit harder than yesterday

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also they mention the exact opposite thing, they should hit less hard than yesterday

silent urchin
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There's a ton of hidden scaling stuff depending on class and whatever. It seems like one of the changes also applied those to groups, rather than just solo, and they might stack? It all seems weird

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but bringing healers seems to increase the damage by more than they can heal

warm topaz
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i'm sure we will have a post about it today, some hotfixes or something

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have someone tried them solo? are they easier?

silent urchin
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some people seem to say they are

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those new random minibosses are kinda brutal tho

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for most classes it still involves blowing cooldowns on every pack and waiting, it seems

warm topaz
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i'm really curious on how delve tuning will evolve over the course of the expansion

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i think the only thing that was missing was make solo delves easier/more fun

rain cave
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if goblins next, ig we get gazlowe as a companion

warm topaz
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could be Rexxar, it was datamined a couple of months ago

rain cave
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rexxar would make sense for a rootlands patch tbf

warm topaz
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maybe he was going to be the S1 companion or maybe he is the S2 or S3 idk

rain cave
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and if goblins are involved there that reinforces that as well

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rexxar would fit in as the delve companion for for that patch more than gaz actually

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since gaz is too important, he's like main story

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whereas the delves seem to be an area for B plot characters to thrive

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so rexxar coming in, seeing the primal stuff of the rootlands and helping us sabotage the goblins machines would end up fitting quite well for his character

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god it's kinda crazy how hunters have been treated compared to their history/ representation in game lmao

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Rexxar, iconic beastmaster but he's melee
make the melee spec survival

Dark rangers, historic marskmen and melee hybrid users
gave it to BM nad MM

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insane to me

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also we still can't mog bows to guns and vice versa last time I checked?

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or did they fix that

deep pawn
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Have been for years now

austere gazelle
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Delves can be doable in +8 if they did not add those untested untuned miniboss mobs ( in group, solo is another topic ) I don't even know why they added those mobs it was not even something people asked for

rain cave
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I couldn't do it in SL I remember last time I checked

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Haven't really been with hunter for a while lmao

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Legion MM was peak and they've never managed to get back to it for me 😭

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I was at first hyped for sl MM but was let down when the wyvern sting leggo didn't apply on trick shots

warm topaz
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definitely something weird happened yesterday with the hotfixes

deep pawn
sullen dawn
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Challenging solo content is something I really wanted in wow and feels a little like old school wow trying to only pull a mob or two at a time

sleek solar
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Even in bfa iirc

austere gazelle
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it make the margin of error very very very very thin

acoustic kraken
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its not a new baseline. t8 isnt a baseline. its 7 tiers above the baseline of t1

austere gazelle
acoustic kraken
austere gazelle
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no.

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Usually on those content spell that one shot are casted for a very long duration. here, those spell are just not tuned.

acoustic kraken
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and they are in a group. ive done t8 without doing any interrupts

austere gazelle
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Ah, then have fun on the twins in the mine that deals 7m damage in 2 seconds if they are not interrupted

acoustic kraken
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theres like 12 delves. not all of them every class is gonna excell at. why would i fight the twins on a class that doesnt have one

austere gazelle
acoustic kraken
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you have to do 8 a week

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and can repeat for vault rewards

austere gazelle
# acoustic kraken so? do you fall victim to fomo often

I wanna do content that are available, and being able to finish those whatever the class I can do. Plus, bounfitul award bran rewards/xp. If you can only do one per day because the other are not for your class its becoming quite silly. I dont get behind your argument at all because it's unfair and very unfun

acoustic kraken
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how many keys you get a week?

austere gazelle
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Four ? But I don't see the relevance ? you can do bountiful for bran XP without spending your key ? There is also this " battle pass " for Delve that require you to do many many delves... ?

acoustic kraken
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you also dont have to not die to get brann exp

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should be able to easily find 4 a week you can do. if cant, then t8 might be out your skill range currently

austere gazelle
acoustic kraken
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bran gets xp per kill as well as treasures along the way

austere gazelle
acoustic kraken
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and if you cant pass on t8, lower the tier and get him exp on a lower bountiful lmao

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like you arent locked into t8

austere gazelle
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That's true but once again player are being punished for playing a specific class ...? isnt that dumb ?

acoustic kraken
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not really since they are also rewarded on other delves where a different class is punished

austere gazelle
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That's a different notion of " fun " I guess. " you can play content with your class on a random day "

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Replace delve with world quest and see how silly that looks

acoustic kraken
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you can also play the non bountiful version since fun isnt contingent on rewards. so you can play it any day

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and world quest are available only at certain times

deep pawn
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You can also reset a delve if a mini boss is in a really bad spot

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I only killed the twin heralds once, otherwise I walk around if possible

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They sucked in beta too

warm topaz
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pretty much expected

silent urchin
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I hope whatever they do they also be more transparent about all the different factors that go in

deep pawn
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I want the one mob that keeps casting after a kick gutted

ember blaze
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mage tower, at least the healer challenge incentivized you to actually press your utility buttons to get through

warm topaz
austere gazelle
austere gazelle
# ember blaze You have CC and a kick. use it

Mage tower did not one shot me if I fail a kick or run out of CC.
Mage tower was not unforgiving if I made one or two missplay. Xylem Bolt did not one shot me when I was out of interrupt.
When I died I knew it was my faut because I failed a mechanic I should have avoided.
When I died in a delve due to a single cast not interrupted or melee hit one shotting me out of nowhere where I have several mob to handle at the same time and a few second of reaction time to analyse everything sounds not fair.

Game is not dark souls ( which im a fan of mind you ) , but its wow. Its not interrupt galore witj insta dead if you fail once. It should have a bit of fairness to it and you should be able to miss one or two interrupts.

ember blaze
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the healer challenges did do that though. If you didnt kick or interrupt something, you just died

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Before any scaling issues came about, casts did not one shot me. If i didnt have a kick, i pressed a defensive

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and i ended up tanking multiple web bolts

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but agree that there was too many casters

austere gazelle
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Which I do too..dont presume I dont know that 😉 I was 3.2k Rio last season

ember blaze
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and kicking didnt really give you any room to kill

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that's awesome

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but the way I saw it, even running was part of the challenge

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tho at some point brann just started to carry...

austere gazelle
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Blizzard put the cursor too far right now. I dont mind a hard content but it should give you enough reaction time. For example you can see your health bar going down quite fast , analyse where it come from and react before getting killed. Here you dont even have that, you're just dead in two seconds. If they keep it like that then they should increase the life pool in solo.

proper scarab
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One of the biggest regrets of my life in WoW: I never even tried Mage Tower because I didn't consider myself good enough...

tropic trail
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Same

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Hope still that book mount is available to get one day.

sleek solar
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It is!

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There is still mage tower

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But its not the same

warm topaz
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have you guys tried Delves today? how they feel?

silent urchin
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little bit easier solo

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still kinda slow, lots of careful pulling and waiting for cooldowns

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no minibosses means nothings really a big deal til the final boss

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those are still kinda tough

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did all the bountifuls solo today and only thing I died to was sporbits

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as 600 ish shadowpriest

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I think it's still pretty variable by class, lots of scaling differences

tropic trail
deep pawn
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they can be soloed at 570 so they aren't that bad

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My hunter alt has 3 maps while my mains have none. 😦

tropic trail
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I almost 600 😌

deep pawn
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same, my hunter is like one upgrade away, still salty she has two 610 weapons

warm topaz
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i got 600 with my priest too

tropic trail
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Nice

warm topaz
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i'll never understand why people is so dick on pug

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somoene make a mistake

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and they kick him mid fight

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when the mistake is nothing too crazy

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we were good

deep pawn
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So I'm guessing there's some datamining tweets out there about possible future content?

warm topaz
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what you mean?

deep pawn
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Just someone saying they were right about Rootlands and I'm not sure where they were suddenly certain

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I mean its very likely

pulsar minnow
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I mean we saw “rootlands” datamined in the initial map datamining for the war within

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That being it’s temporary name, next to Arathi canyon and whatnot

silent urchin
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learning more about the haranir seems like a pretty certain thing

rain cave
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then when my friend did a minor mistake they fell out and he kicked my friend from his own key 💀

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most evil PUG I've been in

tropic trail
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How can someone kick you out from your own key? 👀

deep pawn
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Because they aren't the party lead

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That said you still get loot if they complete the key.

upper pasture
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it's not like they can replace you OR restart the key without the key holder. so really they are only hurting themselves

deep pawn
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The system specifically protects against it

austere gazelle
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I love how DH " class tuning " are bug fixes.

So Havoc is tuned around our bug fixes instead of making hotfix for it ?

deep pawn
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who knows

lone mantle
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An Outlaw Rogue shall be nerfed. It is time to restore my former glory! worryWholesome

austere gazelle
lone mantle
warm topaz
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do you remember this leak guys?

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i wonder how the leak season will be this tiime

austere gazelle
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inexistant since we actually know the place and setup of the next expack xD

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But we might see a glimpse of Avaloren or the Arathi empire in a side zone at one point in 12.0

rain cave
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He does lore spec videos

sleek solar
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"leak"

tropic trail
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Who is this Arathi emperor btw? 🤔

austere gazelle
# tropic trail Who is this Arathi emperor btw? 🤔

there have been at least 13 emperors as far as we know, and if I remember correctly, he's named something like
Thoradin IX *

The []nd year of glorious dominion, his Holy Radiance, Emperor Thoradin IX, by sovereign edict, did ordain the assembly of the Hallowfall expedition to traverse the Storming Sea.

sleek solar
rain cave
rain cave
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Light forged? Like the emperors get it passed down

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Similar to what xera wanted to do to illidan

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Would also be interesting if there's another ashbringer style crystal

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That the emperors control

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Especially if they linked the SoD crystal, and ashbringer crystal to beledar

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Like they were fragments of it or something similar

austere gazelle
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All the light fragments we see in Hallowfall are implied to be Naaru's shards ( or beledar's shards ? )

white talon
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Beledar's

pulsar minnow
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Fully convinced Beledar has something to do with An’she if I’m gonna be honest

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Arathi worship holy flame, follow stars due to holy visions, and find a giant ass pseudo-sentient crystal embedded in the planet right next to a tree named after Elune. Not to mention the Herald of the Sun Paladin tree is basically just the Arathi aesthetic.

That’s not even mentioning the Arathi Prophecy of Renilash which involves the absolute might of the light crashing into battle against the void (midnight)

hazy kettle
warm topaz
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i have fun with all of that lol

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that's what i like the most about leak season, having fun reading the most no sense leaks

austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
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An’she compared to elune has been insanely quiet

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I feel like there’s a reason

austere gazelle
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Moreover, we " know " that elune* took part in the creation of the Naaru, we saw no Naaru that big, and Velen described Elune as " something that was like a giant Naaru " , since An'she is her brother... It kinda match size wide

pulsar minnow
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My crackpot theory is the other cosmic forces staged a coup to overthrow Azeroth- the First One. So titans, void, etc… caused her to go into stasis. Meanwhile An’she and Elune were banished somehow

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Ngl I wouldn’t be shocked if elune is in a containment sphere in the moon, and vice versa for anshe

austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
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That too

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There needs to be a reason they aren’t directly putting their hand in things

austere gazelle
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Her presence is needed to heal her brother constantly, so she can't leave that realm and her brother

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Kinda " trapped "

pulsar minnow
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That works too

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Im also just super biased bc i desperately want to see An’she and elune in game

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So that might influence a lot of theories I have. But also to be fair what the hell else could Beledar be

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A naaru? Sure. Is that lame and predictable? I think so

austere gazelle
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A naaru of that size? Either a proto naaru, or something far more ancient than a naaru ( anshe then ) or some of those " prismatic shard of light " that brought life with them on world they crashed

pulsar minnow
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Yeah I’m just poo-pooing the idea that it’s just a naaru ship or something

tropic trail
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Imagine such huge Na’aru 😂

deep pawn
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it doesn't look any smaller than Oshu'gun

pulsar minnow
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It doesn’t but I really don’t see any interesting story direction for Beledar just being a naaru ship

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Like… yay? Another wind chime

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And besides we know Beledar is intrinsically connected to Azeroth and the Radiant Song. So I doubt it’s “just” a naaru

austere gazelle
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An'she being an offspring of Azeroth / Earthmother, the mural on the city of thread could very well be depicting Anshe as the sun.
Ive also the secret theory that the faceless one devolved into Taurens and were the original Shu'alo. ( and that the " fifth " old god was on Azeroth long before the other one and was minding its own business until Xal and the other came )

deep pawn
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Anduin thinks Beledar is related to the song

austere gazelle
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Her dream sings beneath the surface. Quiet now, but her song will awake the others

silent urchin
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I'm pretty sure beledar itself isn't super important, at least for now. It's something from the light cosmos that's been left here to cleanse/infuse the actual world soul after the black empire left, which is an important consequence, but there's nothing inherently special about it itself

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It has a connection to the world soul, and the void that affects Beledar is a reflection of what's happening to the world soul itself

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xal'atath was hoping to use that connection in the other direction or something, probably

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And maybe it's also been filtering the radiant song - no ones had a clear message, and there's probably a reason for that

pulsar minnow
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its obviously a big font of holy magic, so Xal was trying to drain it in Hallowfall

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We do know the black blood was "all around us" in hallowfall according to Alleria, and could very well be the reason for Beledar's Shadow

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And it did get dislodged when Sargeras stabbed the planet

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Almost wonder if one of our future zones will literally be the insides of C'thun

silent urchin
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I thought the implication was the nerubian attack was what brought the blood into hallowfall

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so that was immediately recent

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As thrall said, the sword was aimed at something, and it wasn't beledar. The azerite being released, the black blood being released, and presumably one corrupting the other, are not happening in hallowfall

pulsar minnow
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but we were told by Orweyna that Sargeras stabbing the planet caused the black blood to surface up

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We also know for a fact that the black blood is dripping from the cavern ceiling into Hallowfall

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Thats why the kobyss are surging, they worship the stuff

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They only appeared after the day of darkness when hallowfall went void-again because of the blood

subtle oar
pulsar minnow
subtle oar
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5 Naaru Appeared to Mereldar and taught her of the Light; who went on to found the Church of the Holy Light

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Beledar could easily be the ship the 5 Naaru arrived in

subtle oar
pulsar minnow
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you're welcome to believe that I just don't think its satisfying at all and doesn't push the story forward

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it adds context to lore from chronicle, sure. But what is there beyond it. We'd just have 5 Xe'ras now to hang out with in Midnight I guess?

silent urchin
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what's above the naaru in the holy cosmos

pulsar minnow
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An'she & the Light pantheon. Which is why I'm inclined to believe its related to them more than just a Naaru ship

silent urchin
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If we're ever going to find out more about the cosmos now would be the time

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It's definitely meant to look naaru, but the naaru were pretty much always sent by something else, afaik

pulsar minnow
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I'm really hoping Beledar has some deeper connection to the Light Pantheon. Its definitely going to be important come Midnight since thats basically what the Arathi have been waiting to fight in

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My guess is the reason its there is for some Light Pantheon reason, and my deep hope is it introduces us to at least one of them. We're going into the "final battle of light vs void" and i feel like now would be the time to meet at least one of their gods

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Void we got Invalidus and Dimensius. Light? we got.... uhhhh crystals and really angry half elves!

subtle oar
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An'she

An'she isn't a being. It is what the Tauren called the Sun.

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They believe the Light comes from the Sun and worship it, thus, Sunwalkers

rain cave
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I'm sensing some weird connection to the ashbringer crystal idk why

glass flicker
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An'she could be cool as another Elune-level deity!

rain cave
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not directly but in a way that like connects the two

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dark heart is similar to the ashbringer crystal, beledar, the SoD void crystal

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they're all shadow/light sources that are crystals and seem to take in energy

subtle oar
rain cave
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the ashbringer crystal could have literally been an early version of the dark heart, similar shape but failed to meet its goals as instead of taking in energy and turning it void, it became light after enough infusion from it

subtle oar
rain cave
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or you could say it's very naaru adjhacent

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yeah

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in which case

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maybe the dark heart is the dark heart of a naaru

glass flicker
glass flicker
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You know, the Discipline Priest artifact.

rain cave
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if we've got random light/void shards falling onto azeroth or around the cosmos

glass flicker
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The Scarlet Crusade called Light's Wrath "Ashbringer's equal"

rain cave
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galakrond eating one and going crazy could be a thing

subtle oar
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But Ashbringers crystal was a shard of a Naaru in its Shadow phase. The Paladins of the Silver Hand poured so much Light into it, it was restored to its Light phase

glass flicker
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Even though Alexandros wielded it first.

uncut vault
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The order sent its most loyal crusaders into the war-torn Plaguelands in search of a suitable relic. The few who returned bore a strange jewel bristling with darkness. Some sources say it had been part of a truncheon carried by one of the first death knights to walk the world. Other accounts hint that the dreaded lich Kel'Thuzad has shaped the jewel with his spectral hands.

Whatever the truth, the Crusade would use the black gem to create the staff known as Light's Wrath.

rain cave
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it's strange how we've had several instances of random light/void crystals just falling around

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related to naaru

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beledar, ashbringer crystal, light wrath

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you could even argue that the SoD and dark heart are related

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in fact, if what happened to xal's original body happened before the titans even arrived, and it was the case that the other old gods basically ravaged her

subtle oar
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The crystal in the Ashbringer was likely the core of K'ara, the Naaru entering its Void phase when the Genedar was crashing to Draenor. It was ejected from the ship by Velen to protect the other Naaru; over the Shadowmoon Valley. Guldan later used K'ara to forever transform Karabor into the Black Temple

rain cave
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perhaps galakrond literally ate her 'dark heart'

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and she was a void naaru or adjacent

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hence why she knew it was there

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after all, we've got the radiant song which anduin said beledar is similar to or has it's own weird relationship to

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and alleria is hearing xalatath instead of the radiant song

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naaru have a tie to musical sounds, beingng space wind chimes and all

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there's been a lot of "song" stuff around naaru no?

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her staff is called VOIDSONG

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damn that's actually... a strong lore connection I just made in my head

glass flicker
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I find another connection pretty interesting.

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Xal'atath shares a similar name to an item. Xal'atoh, Desecrated Image of Gorehowl.

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The axe that Garry Hellscream wields in Siege of Orgrimmar.

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Well, why is it called that? Who knows! Maybe Blizzard just thought it's cool. (Unless they add lore implications to it)

subtle oar
pulsar minnow
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Like there’s an entire talent tree based on his stuff

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The Tauren also worshipped the moon. Who happened to also be Elune fyi

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The fact that abilities like blessing of anshe even exist suggest pretty heavily that the dude exists in some capacity

rain cave
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"wake of ashes" also exists but I doubt there's a dude called ashes

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could technically still just be another way of saying "blessing of the sun"

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but yeah an'she is a very weird being

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elune has been directly shown to be an actual single, if multifaced entity

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but an'she could genuinely be anything

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a group, a thing, a person/god

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a name?

pulsar minnow
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But also keep in mind Elune really hasn’t done all that much til recent expansions. Before she was much in the same boat of “does she even exist?”

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But again- keep in mind the Tauren are basically one of Azeroth’s few native races. They know the planet better than basically anyone. Their legends told of Mu’sha (Elune), An’she, and their younger sister Lo’sho (Winter Queen)

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I don’t think the story should be taken very literally though because the Winter Queen is a robot but still Elunes sister sooo… idk

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I definitely think an entity that the Tauren call An’she for sure exists in some capacity in the Light Pantheon

tepid fiber
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They still are who they are

pulsar minnow
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Yeah, I guess it’s more of the weirdness of there being proto-eternal ones and all that. Kinda just hoping they avoid that aspect of things with the future gods of wow

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Shadowlands just being shadowlands I guess

glass flicker
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The Titans we know all wield concepts. Time. Arcane. Life.

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If we count these other ones as reality-wielders, I think it makes more sense.

pulsar minnow
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Yeah but I’m saying this as we know Elune is in the Life Pantheon because of the Grimoire of the Shadowlands book, so I think the same would apply for her brother in the light aspect of things

tepid fiber
glass flicker
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Though, don't take it for me. I'm just a nerd spinning headcanons.

pulsar minnow
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Hey, same here lmao

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I don’t know shit I just read too much about this game

tepid fiber
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There are reasons I do my best to stick to what's known without speculating too many steps away dracthyr_hehe

glass flicker
subtle oar
tepid fiber
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We don't know she is for sure though, we're more assuming because her "sister" in the Pantheon of Death "is"

glass flicker
subtle oar
glass flicker
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I'm referring to this. Azeroth is named Reality.

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If Azeroth, Elune, and An'she are from the same Pantheon, I believe they would be from the one of what is corporeal.

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And the Titans we already know, are the cosmic forces of concepts.

tepid fiber
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Order, rather

glass flicker
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Order, but through logic-defying means aka magic.

pulsar minnow
pulsar minnow
glass flicker
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That's a hypothesis, like everything else we seem to do in this channel. dracthyr_kek_animated

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We can't know until Blizzard actually confirms it.

pulsar minnow
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Yeah, but I mean that’s like a pretty informed hypothesis at that point

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Elune being of the life pantheon is very likely. How she operates in that pantheon is something else all together

glass flicker
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Imagine if she's literally tasked with creating souls, or duplicating them, 'cause the Shadowlands apparently stores the souls of every alternate reality.

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And she doesn't show up because she's just so busy.

pulsar minnow
glass flicker
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We got some... peculiar individuals in the Shadylands, former Night Warriors.

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I doubt they were elves.

pulsar minnow
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Yeah I’m not the one saying it’s strictly a night elf thing

tepid fiber
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Tiridan is more pointing out that Elune being associated with the moon is not unique

sullen dawn
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defo not elves

tepid fiber
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And she was also referred to as the Goddess of the Moon by them as well

glass flicker
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Elune is not a strictly Kaldorei goddess.

pulsar minnow
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Kaldorei are basically just her favorite little Smurf folk

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Ngl I kinda hate that they made that canon

glass flicker
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I'm not sure that's the case.

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She called them "Her favored children" not "Her favorite children"

pulsar minnow
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She called them her favorite children

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Ah

glass flicker
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Aka, just her good ol' worshippers.

pulsar minnow
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Maybe I misheard

tepid fiber
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I mean tbf favored does also imply they're the favorite

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That's... what favored means

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But yes she describes them as such in her conversation with the Winter Queen, Elune herself saying she sent the souls of their fallen to Ardenweald when the Winter Queen asked for aide

glass flicker
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Would be kinda prickish of Elune to play favorites with her worshippers ngl.

tepid fiber
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It was just a tragedy that they were sent to the Maw instead--Elune meant for them to help Ardenweald during the anima drought

glass flicker
tepid fiber
glass flicker
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Parents aren't free from lying, either!

tepid fiber
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That's another thing to remember--aside from what we've seen and witnessed ingame we're also going off of what we're being told, and we know for a fact that gods are still capable of lying

glass flicker
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One word, my friend.

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Odyn.

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Maybe he's not a god, but he's still the biggest A-hole we never got to kill.

pulsar minnow
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I really hope we get to see Vyranoth actually engage Odyn in a fight

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Besides just freezing him and walking away

glass flicker
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Worse than Xal'atath. Worse than Iridikron. Worse than Dimensoos.

pulsar minnow
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Gonna be super awkward for the Warrior players when we face him in Last Titan

glass flicker
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I want to T-bag his corpse while screaming profanities.

pulsar minnow
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I like to imagine the random fury warrior in the group just trying to avoid eye contact and not start a conversation with Odyn while waiting for the group to form

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Elevator music and all

glass flicker
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LMAO imagine just chilling in the order hall while waiting on the LFR queue to pop. Odyn boss fight, boss dies, you go back and /doom the friendly Odyn.

pulsar minnow
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Odyn would make for a banger final boss in a revamped Ulduar all I’m saying

glass flicker
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Oh, I agree.

pulsar minnow
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And they better revamp ulduar.

glass flicker
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Don't even make him corrupted or anything.

pulsar minnow
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Just imagine dragonriding through the facility

glass flicker
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He's already enough of a MF'er.

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Oh, that'd be sick, but claustrophobic and tight.

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Plus flight is not exactly straight.

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Unless you get a lot of vigor resets, expect to bump your head.

pulsar minnow
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Yeah I imagine the facility being muuuuch bigger in scale in a revamp

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Hell imagine if Ulduar becomes its own zone

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Now that would be soooo sick

glass flicker
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I like to think we would uncover some more secrets in Northrend. Such as who built the Forge of Souls.

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You know, that thing that George the Jailer suddenly used in Sepulcher of the First Ones.

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Those spinning saronite wheels?

pulsar minnow
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As lame as it is I imagine they’ll just go “oh yeah jailer made arthas build those while he was in the helm”

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Or smth stupid

glass flicker
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Oh brother, that would stink.

worn crown
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I don't think it would "stink", it would just be logical according to Jailer's plan to siphon azerite from Azeroth

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So far, Xal'atath has not been a more interesting villain than Jailer
She is just the same "mwahahah I'm so evil and smart"
I do hope she gets more nuance througout the saga

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Razsageth, the villain of 1st Dragonflight patch, was amazing in comparison
She had a real motive to feel betrayed by Alex and friends
And to think that they betrayed the planet that gave them birth

Whether Raz was "right" or "wrong" matters little, the character had a solid motive to her actions

glass flicker
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I will now proceed to commit percussive maintenance on my brain so I can go to eep peacefully.

pulsar minnow
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for what its worth Xal has 100% done the manipulative presence from the shadows so much better than the jailer ever did

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She is constantly in your face, has kicked our teeth in, and while she took a few losses so far in the story, she's a thousand times better than the jailer ever was

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and frankly raszageth, while I loved her, was like a saturday morning cartoon villain. She had multiple opportunities to do... anything. Hell she could've killed Alexstrasza but instead goes "im evil and stuff bye bye!" and flew away.

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and frankly, Xal'atath just has a personality

tepid fiber
# pulsar minnow for what its worth Xal has 100% done the manipulative presence from the shadows ...

To be fair she's not exactly operating from the shadows--especially considering how much she's constantly in our faces. Their different plots are occurring across different spans of time using different waves of actions. Xal'atath's only been free and operating independently for a few years in comparison to the Jailer's literal eons, and each have different forms of involvement in their strategies and direct VS indirect manipulation

austere gazelle
# pulsar minnow

This whole page also said that Elune and the Winter queen existed in reality vefore being sent to their respective realms , which enforce the theory that they were born on Azeroth as the tale of the earthmother suggest. Of An'she, there is no telling though. But since we saw sun + moon on the cosmology maps, safe bet to say they are now both in the life realm

austere gazelle
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The idea is probably that no living being can enter the shadowlands to begin with and she had to die to fulfill her role

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We're the one that wrecked that golden rule

sullen dawn
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Maybe the dreadlords even subverted the process of the creation of eternal ones by sneaking his soul in

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I hate that the dreadlords have been reduced to the pet spies of a single shadowlands faction

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Imo they can fit a much bigger role in the story, as kind of the "anti-azerothians"

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Just like us they can wield all the cosmic forces

austere gazelle
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We dont know for the other eternal ones. But their soul were probably powerful spirit in reality that tje first ones used to fuel their robot shell, like pélagos ended up doing

austere gazelle
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This also explains why marasmus ( sp ? ) said that the winter Queen arrived after him. The First ones probably shaped or took existing stuff and created a template before electing the rulers of those planes

Which question the existence of the titans. Im pretty sure at this point that they are the pets of the constellars

tropic trail
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Glad to see that people finally recognize constellars as progenitors. When I first mentioned it everyone thought I’m crazy.

austere gazelle
tropic trail
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Yea that’s one of their jobs for sure.

lone mantle
austere gazelle
austere gazelle
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Can someone explain me why I received that when loggin in ?

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is there something bugged that did not awarded me those and it was retroactive or the game is just very nice to me?

rain cave
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We know that she's is currently in the light pantheon, and the winter Queen sort of mirrors her role or is connected to it

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And they are at least like sisters

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Could literally be that elune is a titan or some other order entity put in the life pantheon to watch over it passing things on to winter queen

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But who knows

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I've said it before that elune is very weird since she kind of represents 3 forces at once with her own in game representation, but none of them are actually life

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Which is why I think WQ is live in death and elune is kind of death in life

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That balance that balance druids are named after

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Elune even said she let teldrassil happen so wq could get more souls, and I believe its said she does interfere when non mortal threats are in play

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Things that aren't a natural part of the balance of life and death

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From her magic in game she is very light, arcane and deathy though

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Never has there been a green elune spell

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Her partnership with malorne could literally be a marriage in to the life pantheon like a political one

rain cave
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Belameth is not "more lifey" as a result of it being from elunes tear, its literally infused with the souls of the dead

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It is both life and death

austere gazelle
# rain cave Elune even said she let teldrassil happen so wq could get more souls, and I bel...

Elune even said she let teldrassil happen so wq could get more souls, and I believe its said she does interfere when non mortal threats are in play

She doesnt quite said that , from my understanding is that she couldn't stop it but wanted to help her sister and the soul of the night elves by sending them to ardenweald.

And Elune seems to knows the future and the plans of the FO ( she prevented Tyrande from killing Sylvanas and we know that sylvanas was useful for the following stories )

Elune, for the moment, shown disposition for
Life
Death
Light
Arcane
Void

( only fel is missing but fel is an amalgam of light and void )

We also know she was alive during the Ordering of the First Ones and was determinent in the creation of the Naaru, so she is defo very close to a First One, I do believe the Earthmother was a first One , making Elune, the Winter Queen and An'she , childrens of a First One

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Gives them the ability to revisit it later. Would be cool if meuh'zala and some other stuff was from there..I felt he had a lot of potential

austere gazelle
tropic trail
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Usually she doesn’t even send the souls to shadowlands when they die, she just puts them as wisps and they stay on Azeroth.

austere gazelle
tropic trail
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Seems like Shadowlands time runs very fast compared to Azeroth.

austere gazelle
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We have several NPC in Amirdrassil talking with wisps that were their former partner and such

hazy kettle
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At least from what I remember. susge

rain cave
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do you think sylvanas shows up in her amazon delivery van to drop off more nelf souls every now and again?

tropic trail
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Haha 😂 with Nathanos

rain cave
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nathanos's head in a jar on the dashboard

hoary trail
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we never saw him in Shadowlands did we? Was he even mentioned?

sleek solar
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Thank god he was not

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I never liked him

rain cave
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and sylvanas mentioned him

pulsar minnow
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Part of the reason Sylvanas is staying behind is to also find Nathanos’ soul

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Beyond just be a night elf ups driver

austere gazelle
fluid ruin
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or until midnight 😄

austere gazelle
# tropic trail Souls still go to Maw? 👀

its me trolling blizz because they never updated oribos state after Pelagos became the Arbiter. The flow of soul going to the maw is still the same as the first day we put a foot there

tropic trail
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Oh lol 😂

tepid fiber
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But the big thing is that with all souls from all worlds and dimensions got funneled down there it's a massive backlog that Sylvanas needs to deal with

rain cave
tepid fiber
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She needs to take out every soul that was unjustly sent to the Maw

rain cave
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like does she come back to base camp with a sack full of em?

tepid fiber
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Sith-ass gamers always dealing in absolutes istg 🤦

rain cave
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also you could argue that no souls go to the maw anymore :p

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since the system's different

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if someones evil they send em to revendreth for rehab

tepid fiber
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I could argue that there's a booming banana industry based out of Goldshire's basement but that doesn't make it true because it's based on squat diddly

rain cave
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doesn't make it not true either though

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we just don't know

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so the entire discussion is speculation lmao

tepid fiber
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Not really. We go off of what we do know

rain cave
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ye that's what I do

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it's just that what we know can be interpretted differently

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because the things we don't know are pretty big

tepid fiber
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Which is that souls did get sent to the Maw up until the system was broken and all souls got sent to the Maw and now that that situation is fixed we're left with Sylvanas and her sentence of retrieving every soul unjustly sent to the Maw

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Which is what we do know

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Because it happened

rain cave
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for example: Souls go to the Maw without an arbiter, We know the system of the shadowlands was ordered later by the first ones but still existed before. Does that mean the maw is actually where souls are naturally meant to go?

tepid fiber
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Irrelevant

rain cave
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and it just got repurposed into a hell because the jailer was there after they imprisoned him?

tepid fiber
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Irrelevant, again

rain cave
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it's not irrelevant

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it's quite an important piece of fundamental worldbuilding/lore for the SL stuff

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the mystery is intentional most likely

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it'll probably play into the story for the last titan

tepid fiber
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Except it is. Sylvanas is currently sentenced to the Maw to retrieve every soul unjustly sent there when the system was broken sending all souls to the Maw

rain cave
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yeah but that's just one part of the story

tepid fiber
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The canon story. I don't fuck with headcanon

rain cave
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and other areas of the lore have bearings going forward into new stories

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the canon story is more than sylvanas though

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like

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we literally had ysera last xpac

tepid fiber
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Yes, and?

rain cave
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and ardenwealds interaction with the dream

lone mantle
tepid fiber
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Yes but what does that have to do with what Sylvanas is doing in the Maw?

rain cave
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I'm saying that SL's lore sets up more things than just sylvanas

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idk why you're fixated on sylvanas am I missing something

tepid fiber
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The point, mainly

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But that's fine

rain cave
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what point

tepid fiber
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Exactly

rain cave
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I'm just discussing general SL lore/worldbuilding and how it has ramifications

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not sylvanas specifically

tepid fiber
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You were speculating about things irrelevant to what's already known

rain cave
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like we can go deeper and even talk about how the night warrior and maw magic are portrayed as similar in game

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no?

tepid fiber
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As long as you remember to bring up points that actually happened and canon lore, absolutely

rain cave
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what I'm speculatingabout will probably play into the last titan and the finale of this entire story arc

tepid fiber
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Not worth it, bailing

tropic trail
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Sylvanas is there for now as a “cleaner” in mandatory public work. 😌

rain cave
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like as loathed and potentially pushed under the rug as SL is, that entire system in the shadowlands is order

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the first ones appear to be seperate from titans, and the brokers dislike the titans but we know not why

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why was that system set up? what was before the SL? Why is the SL a mirror of the emerald dream on the titans chart?

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if eonar has a hand in the dream, and Elune is related to the life pantheon somehow or is atleast stationed in that realm. Why is there nothing in the shadowlands?

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Or did the titans merely take over the Shadowlands and systems of life/death

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we don't know yet but there's plot threads that open up those things as potentials

tepid fiber
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Pointing out what's known before going off on the next subsequent question is usually the ideal place to start

rain cave
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yes

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like I just did

tepid fiber
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Other than that it's just... ranting

rain cave
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idk why you're being so needlessly combative gum

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I'm giving you what you said 🤣

tepid fiber
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Do you feel like this is a confrontation? I'm sorry, I thought this was just a discussion

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My bad

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You do you

rain cave
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you're giving my thumbs downs and saying it's not worth it, being generally obstructive/unconstructive

tepid fiber
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Oh, word?

rain cave
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if you dislike my interpretations or have your own or things that you can bring to the table

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bring em it's ok

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I'm open for discussion on lore stuff

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I don't stick by my speculation I usually throw out a bunch of ideas

sullen dawn
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There's probably a reason I blocked gumball

rain cave
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it is just speculation lmao

sullen dawn
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Can't remember what it is

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But I wouldn't stress bigsaint

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There's nothing wrong with what you're saying

rain cave
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I enjoy thinking about the larger cosmology and lore

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and ever since I basically predicted BfA at the start of legion I've been chasing the high xD

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it's a fun thing since Blizz like to echo themselves, but different areas echo at different times

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like when legion dropped, a largely class focused xpac, I assumed the next one would be a largely race focused xpac which turned out to be true
then ofc the Artifacts turned from weapons to armour, then to a talent system in SL. And from those SL talents I guessed we'd be getting old talents back and these were like a test, but even covenants also then ended up being a sort of test for Hero talents 2 xpacs later

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then ofc expeditions echo'd into torghast, but once it was more fully formed as a solo thing then 2 xpacs later boom delves

sullen dawn
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It's just design iteration

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You can't continuously start over again and again

rain cave
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yeah, but they don't do it linearly on all fronts

sullen dawn
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Yeh progressive design (especially in a product like wow which is live service) is generally non linear

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But you're always gonna recycle and iterate on stuff

rain cave
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like the Legion was actually a 3 xpac long story starting in MoP

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the echoes of that final invasion were planted in MoP, pretty explicitly

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DF in BfA

sullen dawn
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It's often not even intentional

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But humans are creatures when love repeating patterns hehe

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*who

rain cave
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but yeah it's cool to look out for the earmarks in story/design that change and get picked up again and try predict them at current

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like how them adding aug, and hero talents as an "evergreen feature", alongside trying to shift community perception away from FotM and grinding against the perfection wheel for M+ and raids is a kind of dog whistle for them to play a bit hard and fast with balance in order to make potentially adding more specs or hero specs more manageable

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especially with the dumbed down tier set bonuses this season

austere gazelle
rain cave
austere gazelle
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Straight delivery to the korthia waygate xD

pulsar minnow
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Shadowlands just sucks at telling its story

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Zovaal pulled in broken fragments of afterlives towards Torghast to create the maw

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Like he did for korthua

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Now why the hell would souls still go there

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Who knows! Blizz sure as shit doesn’t!

rain cave
upper pasture
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The maw was created before the jailer no? Like he was imprisoned in the maw

rain cave
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love that shadowlands storytelling#

upper pasture
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And it makes sense that torghast looks like oribos since the jailer was the original arbiter so of course something he created could be similar no?

rain cave
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there is a theory that torghast was the original oribos, hence it's similar structure

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and he just turned it into what it looks like after getting domination magic

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since the attendants in oribos act like the arbiter is the only arbiter

upper pasture
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It makes a lot less sense if you consider he was removed from oribos and put in the maw

rain cave
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do we know that?

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sorry, SL was a cursed xpac I may have missed some smaller lore bits xP

upper pasture
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In the SLs campaign we were told that no?

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Pretty sure it was in the main campaign

pulsar minnow
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Yeah he used to be in Oribos til he just, appeared in Torghast

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Whether Torghast was there before or built around him is dracthyr_shrug

rain cave
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6hilarious how he just doesn't match the aesthetic at all

upper pasture
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He was cast out of orbios for “abuse of power” or whatever and sent to the maw. Then assumedly he built torghast

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Or torghast was built for him and he and it were placed in the maw

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He was a prisoner in torghast until he learned to control domination magic

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I think that was it

rain cave
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yeah the cinematic showed that

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the launch one

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SL lore 🙃

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whenever I get to SL when explaining WoW lore I just gloss over it very broadly since I sound like an insane person when describing it in any detail

uncut vault
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hence why when the arbiter is disabled, the souls don't just go all over the place, they go directly to where Torghast is now

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It would explain all the random ruined bits around the river of souls as well, and why there would be a First Ones portal there

rain cave
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feel so bad for the devs since they obviously had something more interesting planned and they had to scrap and change directions for one reason or another

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like the tauren plotline, more bolvar relevance, a longer main story that bridged the gaps between some of thecharacters archs

uncut vault
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I know blizz will insist until the end of days that there wasn't a cut patch, but it still really feels like there was

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Anduin really feels like he was supposed to be an end-boss of a raid all on his own, and even Sylvanas' story was cut insanely short in 9.2 and brushed past in one quick cinematic

tropic trail
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I think jailer committed a heavy crime and that Maw before and Thorgast were his realm same as Bastion etc. But he started his scheme and started killing constellars who lived there with him.

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There are still some signs of their existence there so he made Torghast a torture chamber while he was still an Arbiter.

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That’s why portal of the first ones was there cause and he simply destroyed it so they couldn’t escape. That’s why he got imprisoned. I bet he started the same thing in Korthia with the Diviners who were still worshiping them. Of course everyone is so quiet about it, and doesn’t wanna say what exactly happened. Primus called it “disturbing ballance in the cosmos”.

deep pawn
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it's implied Zovaal wanted to overturn the will of the First Ones before his deposal

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he broke his "directive"

tropic trail
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Yea he must have done something to them.

deep pawn
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and we know how order aligned pantheons react to people ignoring their directive

tropic trail
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And this broker Ve'nari was selling and buying constellation relics in front of Torghast as if it was an epic business.

sleek solar
sleek solar
sleek solar
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Even the Garrosh one, which was my personal favorite, was supposedly done by single developer(not an animator) who was a fan of the game and lore and wanted to do it, hence why it looks so “bad”

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That one

lone mantle
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The final outcome of the Shadowlands narrative did not particularly resonate with me. FeelsWorryMan2

hazy kettle
lone mantle
warm topaz
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am i crazy or theres no TWW dungeons on the M+ LFG?

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i've only seen Mists, Siege and Necrotic

tropic trail
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Yea it’s shadowlands dungeons.

warm topaz
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but it's because TWW ones are overtuned/really hard. a bug, or something?

silent urchin
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Check your filters, a lot of them were off by default for me and I had to turn them on

warm topaz
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oh let me check

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those were active but i reload and now its fixed, nice

rain cave
lone mantle
hazy kettle
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Here are this week’s 20th Anniversary Update PTR notes: CLASSES DRUID Balance Circle of Life and Death causes Moonfire, Sunfire, Stellar Flare, and Starfall to deal their damage in 15% less time (was 20%). Developer’s note: We are keeping an eye on this talent. Our intent is that it’s an appealing option for players who enjoy it or for cer...

ivory meadow
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Alter time now leaves behind a neat afterimage of you

silent urchin
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Timewalking dungeons will now scale enemies to your current level as opposed to scaling you to the level of the dungeon.
Developer’s note: Timewalking now uses the same scaling system as Chromie Time, allowing us to better maintain Timewalking dungeons and control their intended tuning.``` huuuuh
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rip all those TW sets people had I guess

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but probably not a huge change for most people

dense plover
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Warband bank reagent use!!!!

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Finally!!!!

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Now if only the tabs were cheaper

thin warren
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Euh, didn't that work from the start?

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I'm using warbank reagents for weeks

austere gazelle
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not with alchemy and with work order

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and sometime with cooking too

livid walrus
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do not buy stuff from thsoe on ptr rn.

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and neither form their orginal location

dense plover
livid walrus
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Causing dc

deep pawn
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oh, why did wowhead not post the notes?

ember blaze
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their bot walked out

austere gazelle
white talon
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I'm really hoping Chosen Identity also makes your Dracthyr appear as Visage in the Character selection screen, if you've opted into being a Visage 24/7 - in the future

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The whole narrative point about the forms is that you can be whatever you want to be, and not be locked into something you dont want to be - hence why some takes on visages or stick in dracthyr form

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(I personally think the Dracthyr form is horrendous, but I enjoy the race a lot beyond the limited 3 articles of clothing dracthyr form)

pulsar minnow
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Literally all I want is the option to transmog Dracthyr form separate from visage

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It’s so obnoxious that I’ll put together a really cool outfit but then it ruins my dragon form

sleek solar
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I never know if someone is a female or male dracthyr xD

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Only when they are in visage I know

pulsar minnow
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Well tbf that is really dragons in general

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Take off Alexstrasza’s jewelry in dragon form and you can’t really tell

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That said kalec does have like a gigachad chin so maybe I’m wrong there

rain cave
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Generally the male dragons seem to have a chin thing going on

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Like noz and his beard

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Deathwing and his jaw

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A bunch of the other random male blue dragons have chin bits

dense plover
pulsar minnow
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Had a random theory- now that we know Azeroth isn’t inherently a Titan, it gives us an idea to what happened to other world souls

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What if Argus- was inherently death aligned. But converted into a titan. Same with Eonar, and Sargeras was inherently disorder and his true nature only showed when he abandoned the pantheon

austere gazelle
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which in the end would put what Xalatath wants into perspective. not summoning Dimensius into Azeroth, but corrupt Azeroth world soul and take control of it to become a new void lord . ' Only the strong survives '.
Azshara also intends to seize Azeroth's world soul apparently ( what she called " the true throne of power " )

rain cave
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I think the main thing I'm interested in is why do the world souls exist?

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not every planet has one

dense plover
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Like - spontaneously as part of how the universe works

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I suspect that is how world souls work

rain cave
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what about the weird implicit link between the first ones and azeroth

austere gazelle
# rain cave what about the weird implicit link between the first ones and azeroth

Its possible that the First One put decoy in place to prevent the other forces from fiding Azeroth and hid it deep within the cosmos. " The Secret the First Ones sought to hide "

Those decoy are copy of the prime world soul, mirror and echo. They were described ( at least for argus ) as sentient stream of energy taking shelter near suns and forming a earthly crust around them to enter in gestation

sullen dawn
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If that's what blizz decides

pulsar minnow
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Well we’re in a video game

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There tends to be something before the Big Bang

molten niche
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How fast is it to get the new currency in the anniversary event? Cuz all I’ve seen are a few quests that give like 3 here and there and u need 80 for 1 armor transmog

austere gazelle
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It is written by the Skatsimi sage Lam Esen that in the beginning, there was but a single, perfect pearl, in which Anu resided. Anu was the sum of all things: good and evil, light and dark, physical and mystical, joy and sadness—all reflected across the crystalline facets of its form. And, within its eternal dream-state, Anu considered itself—all of its myriad facets. Seeking a state of total purity and perfection, Anu cast all evil from itself. All dissonance was gone...for a time. These discordant parts formed into the being Tathamet, the first Prime Evil. Though separate beings, Anu and Tathamet were bound within the pearl. There they warred against each other in an unending clash of light and shadow for ages uncounted, neither gaining the upper hand. At last, their energies spent after countless millennia of battle, they delivered their final blows. The energies unleashed by their impossible fury ignited an explosion of light and matter so vast and terrible that it birthed the very universe itself.[2]

rain cave
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just found a jade pearl on the eastern shore of ilse of dorn

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the side njearest pandaria

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says it even has a serpent carved on it

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that's cool

warm topaz
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that's really cool

rain cave
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there's a lot of cool touches around the zones actually

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like even small ones like dead earthen with notes from their friends

tropic trail
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In the raid there is a ball and it says “embrace the shadows”. What does it do?

rain cave
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also the freysworn hidden around the island in bushes?

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very cool

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the implication of them basically being replaced by the earthen we have now

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like it's obvious that we're getting the roots stuff, but they've teased it so well

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like the herbalism level up items that are called like "deepgrove rose" or "deepgrove roots" w/e they are

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where they literally say that the roots keep growing even after it's plucked

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the thorny roots underground, with the island being called the isle of dorn (old english thorn)

jade basalt
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Well Dorn gets its name from the Watcher that was in charge

deep pawn
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I don't believe the wold claimed are the original freysworn

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They are unbound who have deactivated

rain cave
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they're all hidden in bushes though

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but they literally hyave freysworn in their names and are all dressed differently

deep pawn
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there's a bit of lore in the earthen creation scenario

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There were original freysworn that terraformed Dorn but they were all brought back to the machine and deactivated

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New ones rose up later from the unbound.

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it wasn't until the machine broke down that Earthen began to deactivate outside

rain cave
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though it wouldn't surprise me if that's also an area glossed over by titan keepers

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like why would the original freysworn be deactivated

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the ones out in dorn look to have been in hiding or died in combat

uncut vault
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and once the actual intended Earthen units that built the Coreway and Dornogal were activated, they got recalled

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It's part of why I'm really hoping we see more of them where the Haranir live, because they seem to be planting the seeds (hah) of Eonar and Freya not exactly acting in line with the rest of the Pantheon or the Keepers

austere gazelle
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They will certainly ally with us in TLT imo

austere gazelle
tropic trail
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Probably, these Harronir were worshiping Elune and had a tree called Elun'Ahir which after got destroyed by Aman’thul and became Il'gynoth.

austere gazelle
rain cave
# austere gazelle

I get the feeling that there are actually a group of freysworn just hiding from us

austere gazelle
# rain cave I get the feeling that there are actually a group of freysworn just hiding from ...

possibly Freya is the one concerned by " the Vassal of Life disguise treachery ", because if Freya " is " the wanderer with the eyes of green " and she " revealed " a new edict to Earthen to sway them toward nature , it's kinda concerning, her motive are obscure and she might value life above titans stuff. Moreover, we also know that there a group if titans construct that went to Avaloren , defying Odyn's edicts. So maybe there is a secret faction within the titans that are undermining Aman'thul influence.
In the end , Freya's actions and Eonar's stuff with Alun'ahir might be the source of the future trouble with the roots spreading into old god juice.
Deeper and deeper its roots will reach, welcoming our embrace

austere gazelle
rain cave
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which is an interesting arch ig?

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would make sense since it looks like it's the most muzzled by the other forces

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especially order

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Life yearns to break free from the order put on it atm

austere gazelle
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Also Dreadlords did state that Life was the most difficult plane to corrupt somehow. Maybe they are the one who manipulated Freya ( if such things happened ) and its the " weakness " that they exploited

rain cave
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I mean if you look at things in-game literally, Life is the most adatable

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it can take anything and use it

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not even just us mortals

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but everywhere we go we find new animals infused with other magic

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plants as well

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every new continent and planet has herbs infused with local magic

austere gazelle
rain cave
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is the mysterious wanderer new?

sullen dawn
rain cave
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or an old tale

austere gazelle
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And there is also that to note, that might be applied outside of Sargeras, too

rain cave
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could be a dreadlord

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they're literally trearchery incarnate

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if one came to infiltrate the "adherents of life" (the harronir)

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their nature is antithetical to their own

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they hide out of sight

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instead of in plain sight like the dreadlords

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so the dreadlords can't just blend into them, they'd need to basically pull them out of the shadows

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e.g. by disguising themselves as somebody/something they'd venerate

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since the dreadlords are pretty unaffiliated magic wise, they adopt anything they need

sullen dawn
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I don't think they're referring to the harronir

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Probably something from the 'realms of life"

rain cave
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wouldn't surprise me if they're trying to get Denathrius a new body

sullen dawn
austere gazelle
rain cave
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Just thought about if they did a special event like mop remix and plunderstorn where you can be a dreadlord

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Would be funny

austere gazelle
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An Amongst us , wow édition

sleek solar
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Demon hunters losing control, DK getting corrupted and becoming lich king 3.0

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Evokers hearing whispers

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Priests hearing whispers

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Hunters and Druids getting corrupted by the emerald nightmare or something

rain cave
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would be hilarious if they just did a "lore accuracy" mode

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and DK's literally have like a decaying sanity meter if they don't kill things

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DH it's just a black screen

sleek solar
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Haha that would be amazing for april fools

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Especially the DH one xDDDD

rain cave
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they bring back the ammo system for hunters 💀

sleek solar
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Buying arrows

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I hated that

silent urchin
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They should bring back ammo. And make barrage use as many arrows as the visual shows.

glass flicker
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So a gazillion?

tropic trail
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Then you had to buy food and flask and repairs and at some point you just ran out of gold. And then you could just say sayonara to your guild.

silent urchin
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The new Timewalking event is now available for testing on the PTR: 20TH ANNIVERSARY EVENT Timewalking Through the Classics Take part in a new Timewalking event that will take you through the original version of Deadmines, Zul’Farrak, Dire Maul (east and west wings), and Stratholme’s living and undead dungeons for epic new rewards. Queue up v...

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... although realms seem to be down

warm topaz
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yeah since this morning

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morning in EU

lone mantle
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Nerub-ar Palace Story Mode is now live. aworrySanta

dense plover
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i enjoyed it - wish it had more

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it wouldve been nice to have 1 boss from each wing, or the most important story bosses

tropic trail
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How do you access the story mode?

thin warren
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I guess when it presents itself in the campaign

rose escarp
rose escarp
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Rasha’nan would also be neat, given being present earlier a few times

rain cave
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Is story mode literally only Queen?

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How do they explain how you get there lmao

warm topaz
warm topaz
tropic trail
rain cave
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I feel like making it part of the quest chain it's OK to give it like lfr token as a quest reward

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Incentive to go get the rest of the tier in raid

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And it's a 1 time thing if you do it that way

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Several hours of questing to finish a campaign for a 1 time lfr piece seems fair

tropic trail
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Or normal piece. 😌

sleek solar
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No lfr is better

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Veteran piece

deep pawn
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the heroic crafting token is nice

iron hare
dense plover
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wut

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no

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story mode is one boss - thats it

upper pasture
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it's only the last boss

dense plover
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the story isnt timegated - its done

iron hare
dense plover
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the story isnt off tho

iron hare
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Isn't there a questline for story mode unlock

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That involves other bosses such as nexus princess

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And gives more context for the raid

dense plover
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sorta but barely

iron hare
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But like

dense plover
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not really

iron hare
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It's still there

dense plover
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i just mean the context is barely there

iron hare
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Ohhhh

dense plover
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the side quests that lead to story mode are more just like - "hey, the shit is getting bad yo"

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and are not major plot points

iron hare
dense plover
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the ending is voice acted so thats nice

dense plover
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this is not a new occurence

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story gets delayed until everyone can do it

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thats always the case

iron hare
upper pasture
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if you really want to get technical having the quest involve nexus princess isn't the end of the world since we don't actually kill her

iron hare
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Honestly I like the raid a lot but I do feel like it was a little disconnected, felt weird beating xal then just having her show up like "heh"

dense plover
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i mean, thats sorta the endgame story so far

iron hare
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Small questline pre raid would be nice, I guess that's what the zone is but ykwim

dense plover
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"hey, the nerubians wont leave us alone, we need to stop them or our forces will be overwhelmed"

iron hare
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Like the tww finale felt for after the raid is my point

upper pasture
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also there's isn't much story for the raid so far anyways too

dense plover
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^^^

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first raid frequently has limited story

iron hare
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Wasn't 10.0s raid like the finale

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I didn't play it but it seemed way more involved

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Considering that's also how you free the other primalist and all that

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Tbf there was like a Change with metzen taking over 10 months into production so that might be a byproduct

upper pasture
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i mean, us killing nerubians is still spreading the black blood everywhere, so without more content of where the story is going it's hard for us to really tell how this bridges to 11.1

iron hare
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Whatever it is I'm sure will be good

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Idk if this is just because everything feels fresh but I genuinley feel like khaz algar is like one of the best continents ever made, the underground vibe has lead to some real creative stuff

deep pawn
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It feels smaller than the dragon isles

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The portal to Azj Kahet is probably to blame

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Only Mereldar isn't a single zone away

iron hare
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I feel the opposite, there's something about the cave feeling that makes my character feel tiny

upper pasture
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it might as well be tho, the tunnel to that is like right next to the entrance to the ringing depths

deep pawn
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Its definitely faster to traverse.

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Gods that flight to Iskaara

rain cave
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Is the violence on Isle of dhorn causing black blood to become more potent? Or is it just that we're killing black blood infused nerubians, causing it to spill in more places

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Also I wonder if the unseeming is a weird byproduct if the roots + black blood creating a weird emerald dream like state

silent urchin
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nerubians only started actively harvesting and spreading the black blood after xal showed up, afaik

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although I guess the kobyss were probably doing it for a while?

lone mantle
austere gazelle
rain cave
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Ethereal/ broker raid with all of them coming back

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Lmao

austere gazelle
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Should add to that the one from the Maw moodle_dead , doesnt remember her name, it was thrown out of my head

rain cave
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Venari

austere gazelle
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Blessed be her name... or not -_-

rain cave
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She was pretty cool tbf

sleek solar
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Meh

rain cave
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As SL characters go she had a lot of potential and had a nice voice

dense plover
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That’s why I don’t raid - I don’t have time for that

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I would just like 1-2 more fights

austere gazelle
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They should just do a lorewalker cho scenario for raid with him explaining what's going on and switching to boss fight once previous one is defeated, trash arent needed

dense plover
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that would still take a LONG time

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there are 9 bosses

lone mantle
dense plover
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thats a lot of work tho

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this is clearly meant to be for STORY

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most of the bosses in the raid are NOT story relevant

austere gazelle
# dense plover there are 9 bosses

without trash? each boss in story mode take less than 2 min. 2x8boss = 16 min. Not really a " long time " can take as long as a delve xD

iron hare
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Just do one full raid mode and then last boss mode or smth

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Full raid mode can have increasing difficulty like delves, story mode stays as is

tropic trail
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Or remove whole LFR and replace it with story mode. 😌

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At least won’t have to wait ages for queue.

silent urchin
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something better than LFR would definitely be nice for seeing the whole story of the raid

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LFR definitely chops it up in weird ways sometimes, skips a lot of the ambient RP

sleek solar
deep pawn
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Do a cinematic of the previous bosses showing key voice lines, and then end with final boss

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The fight uses the follower NPCs so they can work off that, don't even have to include the player

sleek solar
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That would be double work

deep pawn
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Not really

glass flicker
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How does the story mode raid even work? I didn't find how to do it in-game.

silent urchin
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There's an NPC you can talk to to enter.

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Might require the kill ansurek quest? It directs you to it

glass flicker