beta-ptr-spoilers

[hazy kettle]

Huh, I thought their influence = their soul alive, aka. they still corrupt but their body is just... ded.

[dense plover]

cthun has been dead since vanilla, yogg we THINK is dead - its possible yogg is alive

[hazy kettle]

Like, they can / will return, once it has... healed.

[dense plover]

yogg we only fought a mouth

[dense plover]

nope

[hazy kettle]

We fought one of Yogg's 51 mouths. (Warning: Numbers entirely made up)

Right, in that case... It could still be C'thun's corpse, since the only time it was mentioned was in the comics (after vanilla), which have been retconned (Med'an)

And given C'thun was just a big eyeball, I'm led to believe there was a much larger mass underneath.

[dense plover]

i think it is the corpse yeah

[hazy kettle]

My money's on that as well, ye.

[dense plover]

essentially the sword cut it open and paved a path for it to reach deeper

[hazy kettle]

There's not much else it could be otherwise, if anything even. Black blood (blood usually being the trademark of the old gods), all of C'thun's bullshit was black..

Kinda only makes sense for him to be the source.

... man, I really hate the Watcher bot. It doesn't do jack against spaming the chat, it only stops you from saying stuff like yaaaaaaaah with more a's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOT-dgvbYMg @dense plover Anciiiient

But they apparently planned for some hallucinations of C'thun in Cataclysm.

[dense plover]

i mean - we know the remnants of the old gods can still influence people and make them see things or do things

[hazy kettle]

Exactly.

Gib me big eyeball!

Say, am I misunderstanding smthn or is Brann completely... scuffed in Delves?

That's the Uldum Idol thingy, heals me for 2. His potions heal me for 14.

[dense plover]

addon might not be tracking it right

not sure

could be busted

[hazy kettle]

I mean, perhaps, but my hp-bar sure isn't moving much. <-<

[dense plover]

i mean, ill agree his heals are shit - always have been

i tank so i just have him as healer for the "oh shit" buttons he has

but it could be broken

[pulsar minnow]

something I noticed- when anduin is dragged into Azj kahet, and when we find him- he's missing Shalamayne

[dense plover]

is this vanilla or an addon?

[hazy kettle]

Oh HELL nooo!

Fraid I can't help you, Peachie ;- ; I'm not that far @dense plover

[dense plover]

damn i thought i was going slow

i work full time

this is my first day off

BUT

[hazy kettle]

:C

[dense plover]

i did play during alpha and beta

so i know all the shortcuts 😛

[hazy kettle]

I'm exploring the story. ;- ;

And chatting shit a lot of the time. <-<

[pulsar minnow]

im not max level but here's what im seeing

[dense plover]

ok must be an addon

[hazy kettle]

World Quest Addon perhaps?

So... Normally you enter via the front door of the Siegehold, right? (AT least I'd assume so, I legit just arrived in Hallowfall)

Yeah, well, you can also just fly up and into the web above.

[clear apex]

found a cute lil squid guy in a treasure chest

[hazy kettle]

YES! Read his description!

[clear apex]

T.T I just logged out

[hazy kettle]

[clear apex]

haha later, i shall

[hazy kettle]

Oh, hol' up, lemme getchu

[clear apex]

[clear apex]

OH no

facehugger confirmed??

wait did you get him in Azj kahet?

I got mine in rnging deeps

[hazy kettle]

Same

Just exploring before picking up main story again c:

[clear apex]

oh ok

so far im not liking RD so much, but we'll see how i feel later. Not too far in

[hazy kettle]

If you do decide to be a heathen and turn of music in WoW, I'd recommend turning it on in Hallowfall - it's amazing. It's the perfect blend for running into the enemy with sword and shield raised.

[clear apex]

Ill try that. I know so far the music has been SO GOOD

[hazy kettle]

Yaaaas! It's truly amazing.

You guys don't want to know the story behind this item.

[dense plover]

when you are with the vizier and do the 'stay a while and listen' for anduin the music changes to his theme

like a sad angelic-ish version

[hazy kettle]

Oh, cool! Same with Magni and Dagran when you do the Stay-A-While while investigating the Skadyn - at least I think that's where it was.

[clear apex]

NO! thats gonna hurt me

sad boi anduin makes me sad

[hazy kettle]

PSA INCOMMING: They got mimics! I repeat, THEY GOT MIMICS!

[dense plover]

youre months late

[dense plover]

its actually pretty obvious

you can see the line

and they arent highlighted for quests

[hazy kettle]

I mean, ye- Hey, come on. :C

[dense plover]

they used to be better in alpha

[hazy kettle]

I still think it's cool and scary. ._.

[dense plover]

they actually made them more obvious

i think people were frustrated with them

i like the anglers

[hazy kettle]

They're cool.

Why are there so many sad moments... It's so... AHH

[dense plover]

man alleria just keeps walking into every trap Xal lays out

i take back what i said about MoH visuals

its actually pretty cool

theyve done SUCH a good job having Xal appear throughout the story

[hazy kettle]

But is it an issue with Alleria... or is Xal just that good.

[dense plover]

bit of both

[hazy kettle]

Uhh... You good, Ansurek?

To be fair, Xal is in her head.

Ahhhhhhhh, Beledar is an analogy for the Light always returning.

Aaaaaaaand Alleria is getting bullshitted by Xal again. <-<

[iron hare]

Question, cause the zone is underground does inky black potion not work for the other 3 zones

[hazy kettle]

I'd imagine it wouldn't, there is no sky.

But you can try it out, see if it just darkens the area.

[iron hare]

Yeah I didn't think it would change the hallowfall skybox

[iron hare]

Can't untill 26th

[hazy kettle]

Ohhhhhhhh, right, I see. I'll test it for you. ❤️

[iron hare]

Making a stand against Corpo greed (no shade against anyone who bought it honestly I actually didn't get it so I could have some days for Wukong)

[hazy kettle]

Oh, totally valid, dw.

[iron hare]

But shame on blizzard for it

[hazy kettle]

Yeah, it's unfortunate they took to this as well.

[hazy kettle]

@dense plover Yeah, this is 1000% in reference to the old gods. They're dead, their blood (and influence) remains, their blood tells of wars old and wars yet to come.

Specifically C'thun, most likely.

[dense plover]

FYI main questline still doesnt give enough xp to reach 80

[hazy kettle]

Appreciate the warning, tyvm ❤️

[dense plover]

anyone get any flashbacks looking at this and realizing it uses harmonics to keep the creatures from going insane from the black blood?

maybe you might feel like this is a bit of a remix

[hazy kettle]

Wdym harmonics?

Is this some mantid reference I am too insect noises to understand?

[dense plover]

yes

i think its the same style of thing

the mantid used harmonics

and now the nerubians are doing the same to cleanse themselves of the black bloods influence

[hazy kettle]

Was there ever like... some in-game lore to support this?

'cause we know Mantid use harmonics, that much I know. We have the tuning forks and everything.

But I'm not sure I've heard of them using harmonics to cleanse Y'chargee's influence, especially considering the Paragons readily took to war for him (when Garrosh became his avatar, so to speak)

I think I've seen people post this during beta.

Man, I can't wait to see them not continue this quest chain. <_>

[iron hare]

11.2 gonna be lit

[hazy kettle]

10.2 gonna be so cool, I hear we'll be fighting for the Emerald Dream. Ow O

[hazy kettle]

That's evil, now my joke don't fit no more.

[iron hare]

Hopegylly xalataths body underwater will be a zone

Be so good

Honestly something tells me we're going back to 3 patches

Someone asked in one of the interviews will we expect the 2 patch cycle or will we expect more and they were like "hmmm no comment for now :)"

[hazy kettle]

Nay, foolish tuck! Mostly because it's a 6-year journey (at max, they said they plan to be done by 2030 / sooner than that) so they don't have much time left for that.

[iron hare]

Just replace s4 with it

[hazy kettle]

And a 3-patch cycle wouldn't work that well for 3 expansions, unless... they become super fast. Ou O

[hazy kettle]

B-But... my recap season.

[iron hare]

Idk if they kept 2 they would have said it

The fact that they didn't gives me hope

[hazy kettle]

And I don't wanna take that away from you. Hope for us both, brotha.

https://tenor.com/view/oats-pig-gif-23967333

Darn, I had hoped they had "brother" in that gif somewhere. Nevermind.

[iron hare]

Yeah, I could be wrong but idk something tells me they would have said "this is the norm" p

[iron hare]

Also have they said that

Damn

[hazy kettle]

Hope, brother, never forsake it.

[zealous sedge]

Did we ever determine what that tentacle looking thing in the “Shadows Beneath” cinematic was? Assumably a part of an old god, but which one, and what is it for?

I’m aching to figure out who or what Xal’Atath really is, what she wants with the world soul (does she want to destroy, corrupt, control, or absorb its power?). How do the old gods play in, is she one herself, what was the other side of deal she made with N’Zoth in BfA that’s lead to this? So many questions I know.

[hazy kettle]

Click on this douche a couple of times - he's a member of the Order of the Night and you can just find that out by clicking on him!

I appreciate them having unique soundbites - I think it's (a) hilarious (oversight) they are available when they're in disguise as normal citizens.

[hazy kettle]

Okay, upon further examination: Either they just got some weird soundbites or there's a crap ton of 'em in Mereldar, even named npcs.

[hazy kettle]

I'm gonna make a call now, if Anduin has lost Shala'mayn... Faerin will wield it at one point and it will become a massive meme.

[hazy kettle]

To be fair, this doesn't look particularly black btw.

Though I gotta admit, the "architecture" - aka the goddamn pustules all over the walls - reminds me of Ahn'Quiraj

Huh... this implies the black blood is bubbling up rather than seeping down from above, given she's saying "it has sat dormant for ages"...
Unless it has sat dormant for ages, after seeping downward into the caves, and Xal'atath has only made her move now (instigating the Nerubians to gather it)

[hazy kettle]

Yeah nvm, I arrived here now - you're totally spot on. It's a very easy comparison too / very on the nose, attack the containers to the right, activate the harmonizer...
Debuffs gone.

[tropic trail]

I love how they made Lothar character, her body is broken but she still has light ✨

And of course those friendly spiders. Haha 😆

[hazy kettle]

[zealous sedge]

Human(oid)'s in isle of dorne in league with nerubians as shipbuilders? I havent gone below yet but this is interesting

[hazy kettle]

Spindle best spooda

[hazy kettle]

That is interesting - likely from the Hallowfall area, will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[hazy kettle]

Vanilla, it's individual reputations - for example, Widow Arak'nai

[deep pawn]

I think we're getting just two patches cause Metzen says they're already working on 13.1 and 13.2

[hazy kettle]

Yus.

[deep pawn]

I do think 3 raid expansions is some lost value, but it is what it is

Clearly Legion and BfA broke the team in some ways

[hazy kettle]

... the currency of the Nerubar is called Kej... aka... cesh, phonetically.

Do you take debit or KEJ?

[deep pawn]

Kedz is different than Kesh. Assuming it's not Kay

[zealous sedge]

I think they are also really emphasizing this 8 week cadence. will be interesting to see what they roll out for .5 patches and the like

[hazy kettle]

I doubt it's phrased Kedz, but I could be wrong. 👀 If it's Kesh it's an obvious goof, and it's really funny to me.

[deep pawn]

I just have never seen j as a sh sound

Zh maybe.

[hazy kettle]

Mayhaps, but I usually see J as tch, like Ketchup

[deep pawn]

Hmm, I say those sounds very differently myself

We'll likely have 11.0.5 on ptr fast. I hope it's like in a week or two but they may wait for the rwf to finish since it's only the anniversary patch

We just know patch day is sometime in October

[dense plover]

this popped out of one of those wax things in ringing deeps

ive never seen this model before

[dense plover]

no i know the multiple reps

i meant the display

[zealous sedge]

i hope this Durzan sized ram is our Meta achievement mount hahaha could you imagine riding on this thing

[hazy kettle]

Oh, I figured it's exclusive to Threads because they have 3 sub-factions

[dense plover]

yes but i dont think the vanilla UI does that display

[upper pasture]

it does

[dense plover]

oh

dang ok

that rules

[upper pasture]

yeah it's like the friend system too from SLs

atleast i'm pretty sure it was also displayed like that there too

[lone mantle]

Silvery moon, washed in blood, led astray into the night, armed with the sword of broken Light. Broken, then betrayed by one, standing there bestride the sun. At darkest hour, redemption comes, in knightly lady sworn to blood.

[sleek solar]

I can actually see something happening between Anduin and Faerin

[tropic trail]

I think she gonna guide him back to light

[sleek solar]

Same

But I meant romantically

[deep pawn]

Its gonna be an Anduin, Faerin, Wrathion throuple.

[deep pawn]

Friend system first showed up in MoP I believe with the Stardew Valley stuff

[deep pawn]

I'm glad I'm not the only one calling out how shallow the msq felt.

Which sucks cause the side quests prove they can write emotional stuff

[iron hare]

Kej'amite??

Oh nvmind is Kaja

[hazy kettle]

Can you elaborate what you mean by shallow? :c So far I've quite enjoyed the MSQ, currently at getting introduced to the Widow ... whatshername. <-<

Something I can sympathise with (if that's how you meant it), the MSQ doesn't feel as impactful because even when reading quests it is just big explosive moment after big explosive moment for the most part. Smaller stories get to shine here, because they are their own, isolated thing.

They did well with that in Hallowfall though, giving us a short break to breath - I feel like doing side-quests in between parts of the MSQ is the needed break to make the MSQ feel more lively, because it takes away from the big, exciting A plot to give you space to relax, breath, to think about what just happened. o:

[pliant drum]

Anyone I would like to ask is it true that for new accounts in World of Warcraft The War Within that will be restricted?

[hazy kettle]

What do you mean by restricted?

[deep pawn]

Motivations feel weak, things are solved the next quest, etc.

[pliant drum]

like sod cant trade or sell at the aution house or buy at the aution house

[deep pawn]

Characters do things that feel out of place in the name of making the next big shiny cutscene moment

[hazy kettle]

Mhhh, I can see the 'things are resolved in the next quest', ye. o: But that bothers me very little, though I'm quite weird when it comes to stuff that annoys me / feels like a letdown to me. <-<

[hazy kettle]

Oh, ye, that's still in the game afaik.

[hazy kettle]

Hmm... I'm quite sleep deprived at the moment, so that might be while I struggle to see that. :0 Sorry your experience with the MSQ wasn't as great. :c

[pliant drum]

Im interested in playing World of Warcraft: The War Within but something tells me that new accounts will be restricted

and I just want to know if its true or not

[hazy kettle]

Like I just said, as far as I know that is still the case, like it has been before.

Accounts without an active subscription are restricted

They can only use characters up to level 20, too.

[pliant drum]

So which one should I buy base heroic or epic to avoid being restricted?

[deep pawn]

You need a subscription and a level 70 character to do The War Within content

If you have a subscription you won't be restricted

[deep pawn]

It was fine, it just wasn't as good as it could be if the writers let the story work without it being a 6 hour plot at most.

[hazy kettle]

Mhhh... I think the issue stems from the MSQ being barebones, it's just the main plot points.

[sleek solar]

What are you on about lol

[pliant drum]

Thanks guys

[hazy kettle]

We thank Kyle, the almighty. Who gave a normal answer, like a sane human being, unlike me and Bombaron.

(Not joking, I'm half-asleep, ty for answering this properly, Kyle)

If they did the MSQ but involved more of the 'side quests' it would easily span more than 6 hours and feel more like a + b plot rather than just... "a plot goes nuclear!"

[sleek solar]

Thank you for this dumb comment 🙏

[hazy kettle]

Of course, dear. Meant no disrespect by it, was really just joking about how I gave an incomplete answer and you asked what he meant, while Jake figured out the answer.

Please, do not smite me, for I am but a tiny spec of sleepy snail-matter.

[sleek solar]

Haha no worries mate

[hazy kettle]

Thank you, mighty baron of the bombs.

Oh, also, big fan of Skipper and the rest of the squad.

[sleek solar]

Hahahaha

Skipper tha penguin

[clear apex]

Bc blizzard listened to the fans that bragged they don't read quests and just wanted to get to max level.
If you want the story do all the side quests

The quests are right there to do and hard to miss

I'm lv76.5 all I've done is dornagol and like 2 quests in ringing deeps.
There's so much to do and so much to listen to

[hazy kettle]

I don't mind that though, there are so many quests just strewn about everywhere that it genuinely feels like an interactive world, one you're 'forced' to engage with if you want to take part in it.

Because you can absolutely just brute-force dungeon run leveling, which is faster than questing from what I've heard.

So it's a win-win in my book. Complaints heard, problems solved - you only get a bare-bones quest chain to feed you the most important bits, how you get to level 80 other than those quests (which aren't enough) is for you to figure out. IF YOU WANT TO ENJOY THE STORY, you're welcome to do so. 👀

[clear apex]

The msq isn't enough for lv80?

[hazy kettle]

... no. o.o Not by a far shot.

[clear apex]

Hmm

[hazy kettle]

So ye, regardless of whether they did bare-bones or this is the same amount as otherwise, the massive surplus of 'sidequests' got me stoked.

[clear apex]

Guess they expected people to do more dungeon stuff and delves to make up for it if they don't wanna do quests

I love the side quests

[hazy kettle]

same. 👀

Aight, anywho, I need to focus on smthn. \o Cya tmrw... or whenever I awake.

[clear apex]

Night

[clear apex]

@crimson cradle
Did you do all the stuff in dalaran?

[crimson cradle]

I dont know

[clear apex]

The scenario stuff?

Aka dal ported and gets attacked

[crimson cradle]

last thing I came back from defeating corrupted tyralion

and no quests around

except khadgar giving me this werid event quest

[clear apex]

So, was that the harbinger quest

My guess is, there's an overlap

[crimson cradle]

overlap ?

theres 2 khadgars in dalaran

one downstairs one upstairs with jaina

and this stone dwarf alcoholic doesnt wake up either

[clear apex]

Quest order:
Harbinger- helping alleria
The war within- talk to jaina in silithus to talk to magni then magni shutdown

Then you'll get stuff for talking to magni again after he wakes up

If there's 2 khadgar you need to finish one of those to phase to the correct khadgar

[crimson cradle]

so should I go back to silithus now ? cuz magni in dalaran sleeping with family around him

[clear apex]

If he's asleep still then that means you can't start the campaign for tww

Did you buy the epic edition

[crimson cradle]

no wtf ?

[clear apex]

Then you'll need to wait until tomorrow

[crimson cradle]

oh wow

so preorder doesnt actually give me " pre order " stuff

[clear apex]

Maybe you got the next quest on accident, but tomorrow you should be able to pick up where it left off.
Khadgar should only be in the portrait room

Epic edition came with early access

The other tiers don't have that

[crimson cradle]

I see

[clear apex]

Your preorder stuff was the cosmetics and mount or w/e tier you bought

But yeah, for now, you'll have to wait

[crimson cradle]

base edition give me cosmetics ?

[clear apex]

Did you not look at the buying chart when you purchased the game?

There was a big comparison list of what comes with each one

[crimson cradle]

yeah and base has literaly nothing but 3 things

500 trader coins , lvl 70 boost and war within

[acoustic kraken]

theres your answer

[harsh mason]

Damn, Faerin is cool

She is really cool

[sleek solar]

Yeah I thought Faerin was this forced feminist "im not afraid of anything, and I dont need anyone!" type of hardened character

But instead she has a nice backstory, I like her character design and also like her sweet personality while still being strong

Maybe a bit like Anduin

(personality wise)

I love those kinds of dialogue

It really makes me want to see the Arathi empire

Also I love the dialogue my void elf got

Also the way these kinds of dialogue are placed

RPG- like

I really missed the mmoRPG part of WoW for a long time, so I love how its back

[pulsar minnow]

Faerin is by far in my opinion the best addition to the main cast in a loooooong time. I desperately wanna see more about the Arathi

She’s also just a fucking gigachad for going “yeah I could take the cyborg arm but I like my shield better”

[sleek solar]

I couldn't agree more!

[sleek solar]

Lights Gambit is my favo quest so far

Playing a board game with Faerin and Anduin while having serious conversations with both of them that give a lot of insight into both of them

[tropic trail]

Yea she is so damn strong. I went to kill elites with her and she didn’t even loose health.

[hollow mountain]

Are there any conformation if Khadgar is actually gone or not, as we actually dont see him get offed on the screen?

[sleek solar]

Nope

Pretty sure he is not dead yet though

They would have showed it, like with Varian

[clear apex]

There was a wowhead spoiler if you REALLY Wanna know

They datamined stuff

[hollow mountain]

I returned briefly in legion and quit before the first raid was opened. And two of my favorite characters got taken away in the first 30 minutes.

[clear apex]

||khadgars wheelchair||

[hollow mountain]

Then i returned now and it freaking happens again

I'm happy with a Xavier as long as he's not gone

Seing my Fav tirion just get dipped in green goo and removed was such a freaking letdown

[sleek solar]

I have tried to find the article, but couldn't find it, can you link it? 😄

I have read that before

[clear apex]

hmm wonder if it was removed

i cant find it either but i looked at the article and it had a big spoiler tag

i see forums mentioning it but no longer a wowhead post

[upper pasture]

it was a joke i'm pretty sure. however i am pro "khadgar isn't dead"

[hollow mountain]

Always wanted to see him show some power and when he finally does he just get clapped like Bolvar did with sylvanas

Kinda sad

[dense plover]

So - Brann XP is locked. How long until they execute a rollback to cap everyone at 15?

In fact, I'm willing to bet they limit XP per week moving forward unless they can block multiboxing somehow

ie first week = level 15

second week = 20 or 25

etc

[upper pasture]

probably 15 a week so after a month you can just hit cap

[silent urchin]

I don't think there's much need to limit it past early access

[upper pasture]

true but it's a weird thing to hotfix one day before everyone else can gain access if you aren't gonna limit it weekly

[tropic trail]

I wish he would come back as something like Gandalf the White 😂

[dense plover]

people will multibox day one if they dont

this wasnt something they knew about pre-EA

[silent urchin]

I just don't feel like there's any particularly large advantage to having a higher level brann, and he doesn't take that long to level anyway

[upper pasture]

i do feel like if he is still alive he very much so understands that the only way to beat Xal is to catch her by surprise so he's hiding and letting everyone assume he's dead until the time is right to spring the trap against her

[dense plover]

uh did you not read the post? "Brann Bronzebeard gains bonus 5% bonus damage/healing for each level past 10." - if they dont do this, people will complete tier 11 day 1 or 2

[silent urchin]

I am aware of what his abilities are

he is not gonna carry a t11 delve even maxed out

[clear apex]

aweee theyre cute

[silent urchin]

Even maxed out he's not going to be beating my personal dps currently in a t3 delve

[clear apex]

playable kobold when

[tropic trail]

Yea same.

[zealous sedge]

Does anyone else feel like “great I love these new mount guides” but also like “now I don’t have an excuse not to collect them” and the subsequent FOMO? 😂😂

[clear apex]

I love skitter so much T^T she's so adorable

[deep pawn]

Blizzard needs to stop trying to cap stuff after it's been done.

[austere gazelle]

Mmm there is no fatigue zone outside the isle of dorne

very weird

might be something blizzard forgot

[deep pawn]

Like very few people were grinding level 60 Branns

[austere gazelle]

or it was just a bug since I just got it back right now

[deep pawn]

But by blocking it and people having it, now you create something players can't have

[austere gazelle]

oh no, there is a precise path were there is absolutely no fatigue

[deep pawn]

So you are creating discontent for 0 reason?

Sometimes I wish blizzard would just let grinds be, who cares if people rush it. Not like people were gonna be buying multiple accounts just to level him. Solo it's a hell of a grind in level 3s.

We can't even get past r1 curios right?

[silent urchin]

I don't believe so

those are probably more impactful than brann levels, tbh

[deep pawn]

Sometimes I wish Blizzard would take a second and think before panicking. Maybe they had numbers on people grinding Brann

I kinda stopped at 10 cause it was like 3-4 delves per level

[silent urchin]

the xp/level stops increasing there, at 12500 per

higher level delves give more xp but not by a lot

depending on how thorough/lucky you get with the loot I think around 4-5k per delve is about right

[iron hare]

Bliss always nailes the cute fur monster every xpac

Gnolls dragonflight
Furbogs wrath
Turtles bfa ( not fur but you get the jist)

[deep pawn]

I'm hoping there's weekly exp quests for Brann

[dense plover]

bountiful delves give more xp i think

[deep pawn]

If you use the key?

[clear apex]

fun quest, she holds up items like Link does

[deep pawn]

"Your warband is now friendly with Earthen"

[sleek solar]

Khadgar is alive im sure, but I am afraid he will die during this trilogy 😭

We SHOULD get a cinematic out of it though, like with Saurfang

If they dont make a goodbye Khadgar cinematic, I will go to Blizz HQ and slap the one who declined it

[ember blaze]

anyone else not getting credit for the lore hunter achievement items?

[clear apex]

I got mine while in dorn

[zealous sedge]

Is that the treasures and stuff?

[clear apex]

No it's finding interesting sites.
The list is in your achievement log

[zealous sedge]

Okay cool I will take a look

[ember blaze]

ive encountered multiple ones that i interact with but grant 0 credit

[ember blaze]

hunter healer spec confirmed

[clear apex]

They'll shoot you with giant syringes

[hazy kettle]

Tinker, but spread out onto several classes - hunter gets the healing spec.

Gotta admit, the Nerubian music sounds very much akin to the Venthyr.

There's several noteworthy npcs here, too, the expeditions, the Earthen Ring, The Argent Crusade, Pirates, even one of Dalaran's named, wandering NPCs!

Yeaaah, this smells like a mind-control / subversion plot. And I am all for it.

🏳️‍🌈 !

[upper pasture]

did you play the whole thing? it's basically implied that its the order of the night people

[hazy kettle]

The who-now? The what-huh?

[deep pawn]

Eh?

[upper pasture]

the bad lamplighters

[deep pawn]

I didn't get that at all

[upper pasture]

the people who follow aleric?

[hazy kettle]

Ohhh, that would make sense, I guess?

[deep pawn]

The Vizier made it so people could escape.

[hazy kettle]

Though, by that logic, it would be Xal's own minions against Xal's... own minions.

[upper pasture]

pretty sure that npc stuff is before the lamplighter betrayal quests

[deep pawn]

It's literally the zone after

[hazy kettle]

The lamplighter betrayal is in Hallowfall, I'm in Azj Kahet

Regardless though - I'm with Flynn right now. 🏳️‍🌈

[upper pasture]

oh, i thought that dialog was the stuff when you first meet with the npcs at hallowfall mb

[hazy kettle]

Nah, all good. 👀

[hazy kettle]

... first we get a Nerubian holding a tea-party in one of the Dig events in Dragonflight 10.1 - and then we get Mr. Sunflower (who, for all I remember MAY VERY WELL BE SAID NERUBIAN) with his own therapy clinic! I am so unbelievably hype about this little spider
||Mr. Sunflower going John Wick mode, asking me to kill a torturous nerubian... damn, I love it!||

[hazy kettle]

... so we're replacing Ansurek's shadecaster messages with... some **pro-**Black Empire?!

That seems like a very oof tradeoff. >_> Freeing Gul'dan, cause that's the most important thing at the moment to shut down the Dark Portal.

[plain violet]

Ansurek is pro black empire, vizier isn't : he's casting doubt about her objectives.

Neferess was protecting against every threat: including refusing the black empire!

[hazy kettle]

The moment you mentioned that my brain clicked, I getcha - void = black empire, regardless of if it's Xal or the Old Gods. <-<

Ty for clearing that up for my dumb ass.

[plain violet]

Exactly! 😁

Vizier is just showing to the people "Ansurek will sold your people to the black empire"

You're welcome! :)

[hazy kettle]

Ty Neronn. Are you also a constellar / keeper, like Algalon? 'cause... he's also pink.

[plain violet]

Aha I like pink but Im simply a rider passing by! :)

That's the nitro booster symbol. 😁

[hazy kettle]

Noice (I figured, due to the diamond symbol, but I had to make a little gag out of it)

[plain violet]

It's fine, it's fine! 😁

[proper scarab]

OK mmm, I had two Radiant Echoes:

https://www.wowhead.com/item=228958/radiant-echo

and I completed the quest and then I deleted the second one because it said "This item starts a quest" but I had completed that quest...

But after deleting it, I realized that MAYBE I could have used it to access another Memory without starting a quest 😄

Don't tell me I wasted a Memory!

[hazy kettle]

She's gonna eat him, isn't she

Confirmation: Food puns aside, she ended up eating him.

[austere gazelle]

||na, rogue faction within the nerubian trying to get our side to ally with them to overthrow Da Queen||

[hazy kettle]

Yus, I've arrived at (and am past) that point in the storyline. I still smell MC or other dark arts going on, since that's the only logical reason why you'd kidnap somebody (at least the only one I could speculate on rn, dunno what else they got planned ou o)

[pulsar minnow]

It’s not mind control. They got new orders

Anub’azal and Zek’val share the same pheromones because Zek’val is incapable of producing them

Zek’val wanted the guards protecting the prisoners, but Anub’azal ordered them to leave them

[glass flicker]

Who's ready to make their Earthen? I can't wait to make John Earth.

[pulsar minnow]

Since they can’t be distinguished between, the guards followed “Zek’vals orders” and abandoned the prisoners

[formal thistle]

I genuninely was upset I couldn't make one yet

[tropic trail]

I unlocked but I was lazy to make one. Still finishing the remaining quests. 😂

[glass flicker]

JOHN EARTH IS COMING FOR YOU

[tropic trail]

You mean that American post-bop/hard bop jazz trumpeter?

[glass flicker]

Probably!

[formal thistle]

anyone able to reccomend what spec to go in Enchanting?

[ember blaze]

oh i did that too now i cant interact with one

[formal thistle]

so... this channel going to be closed in 4 hours?

[deep pawn]

Nope

Next ptr is soon

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ZrBlPJxw0

amazing interview, those are imo the best question you can ask to Ion

he loves those

[deep pawn]

Everyone is saying Hallowfall is beautiful and I keep getting stuck on that everything about it feels wrong.

The weak light, weird shadows, the angled trees.

It just feels off and creepy.

[silent urchin]

I think that's somewhat intentional

[iron hare]

Ion with the beard is hot ngl

[iron hare]

I think that's the point

Like nothing about it is natural

[dense plover]

The trees face the light

And are actually giant flowers

Weak shadows is Blizz light engine

[deep pawn]

No, I think it's on purpose to match the light not being an actual sun.

[deep pawn]

Wowhead doesn't have a summary yet? Any big things?

[warm topaz]

well, let me think...

[iron hare]

Yeah cause their facing the only light source for photosynthesis

Idk who's in the world building department but they leveled up lol

[upper pasture]

I was very nervous about 3 underground zones but they are so huge and diverse that you really don’t feel like you’re in a cave after the ringing depths

[deep pawn]

That's fine, I'm just saying instead of beautiful the entire zone puts me on edge cause it triggers my uncanny valley.

Reminds me of how the world looks during an eclipse.

[upper pasture]

Which is probably the “vibe” that the zone designer was going for. It’s a very well done zone

[glass flicker]

Kitty, you can has cheezborgur.

[clear apex]

Seems msq broke with the 3rd part in ringing deeps

great

[iron hare]

Honestly I kind of wish blizzard would talk about the other zones a bit more

[clear apex]

awe its so cute

[glass flicker]

IT IS BUT YOU CAN'T RIDE IT.

Only two versions of the lynx are available, but not the gray one.

[clear apex]

whaaa that sucks

i dont know waht to do now, msq broke

[glass flicker]

I want the gray big floppa, Blizzard!

[glass flicker]

Name the quest?

[clear apex]

sympathetic speakers, its the 3rd part of the msq in ringing deeps.
Other players are stuck standing around, one said it's been known issue since yesterday

totally breaks on last foreman.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/sympathetic-speakers-quest-is-broken/1930285

[glass flicker]

D'oh. Good luck, hopefully it gets fixed soon.

Why not do something else in the meantime? Side quests, dungeons, delves, you name it.

[clear apex]

hope so

or everyone getting in in a couple hours will be bottlenecked here

i wanted to see hallowfall today

[warm topaz]

well, you can hahahah

[clear apex]

i dont want to until i do the story 8(

more sidequests for now i guess

[warm topaz]

a friend of mine got lvl 80 in the Isle of Dorn

[clear apex]

Yeah im lv79 and ive only done Dorn and half the side quests in RD, plus msq

[clear apex]

sobbing about magni

[silent urchin]

so apparently just the first two chapters of the max level campaign that's open

and the first of those is like 2 quests

[ember blaze]

[deep pawn]

Gosh the news titles spoiling today's plot

[pulsar minnow]

launch trailer for tww seems to drop a little hint at future story

this is a cinematic we haven't seen yet. Looks to be in the Priory of the Sacred Flame

might be the epilogue of the main campaign. Hopefully Xal will tell us what the hell Beledar is sooner rather than later

[deep pawn]

oh dear, a typo escaped beta

[past glacier]

Alright with the Stormward after Baelgrim:
||Why is Lufsela praised and made the new Stormward? She literally just stood there and did nothing||

[ember blaze]

[hazy kettle]

Peculiar Fish
more like PECULIAR SQUID (or more accurately, octopus)

[proper scarab]

That's exactly what my ex-girlfriend told me trying to convince me that it was better to break up. 😅

[pulsar minnow]

Interesting promotion on the gear store

[iron hare]

My theory it's part of her body

[clear apex]

I've seen like 5 and it's annoying

In one they just used the complete wrong word.

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Wowhead/status/1828477008264794458

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead) on X

Got any characters you still have to level?

Blizzard is making leveling harder starting tomorrow!

https://t.co/iTYL7t8UyX

Twitter · Aug 27, 2024, 4:57 PM

good change imo, i'm 75 and i almost one shot everything

[ember blaze]

and its fun

gonna have to level my alt today it seems

before its too late

[warm topaz]

you're right yeah

[upper pasture]

idk i think the big issue was they let us gather all that gear that let us gear all our alts until like lvl 78.

[ember blaze]

why

[upper pasture]

because they let us over gear the first 3 zones and then went "omg yall this is undertuned"

if anything this is gonna be bad for the fresh 70s that don't have prepatch gear

[sleek solar]

Shiiittttt

I am on vacation in Germany, cant level alts

[glass flicker]

Just use your Hearthstone to get home.

[tropic trail]

Haha 😂

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/algalon_ghost/status/1828504980711461020

Algalon, Enigmatic Observer (@algalon_ghost) on X

New #Warcraft build found:
Internal 3 (wowdev3)🔐: 11.0.5.56036 --> 11.0.7.56337

Found at: 08-27-2024@06:48:53 UTC

Twitter · Aug 27, 2024, 6:48 PM

lol

this is going faaaaaaaaast

[ember blaze]

we dont get a full spark yet do we

[deep pawn]

wait, we haven't even seen 11.0.5 yet haha

[sullen dawn]

This might not be testable due it to being anniversary stuff

[deep pawn]

there's plot quests coming to though

And I'm still holding out hope for shaman changes

so I found how to unlock the leatherworking weekly quest, but I don't know if there's anything for patron orders yet

[deep pawn]

so I'm not convinced the world soul orbs are even popping

[warm topaz]

I've seen a lot on Hallowfall

[plain violet]

Same!

[deep pawn]

they were everywhere before the weekly quest targetting them haha

I don't think

I could ever recommend the weekly quest besides the dungeon one

[upper pasture]

i think the point of the choice isn't for "whatever is the fastest" but more of "man i'm tired of doing X every week to get my rewards it would be nice if i could do a more relaxed approach this week"

[deep pawn]

it's more of "This is gonna take hours to finish vs a single dungeon"

[warm topaz]

it depends imo

maybe you don't want to do the dungeon that day

i think it's good to have choices

[deep pawn]

Indeed, but some choices do appear more annoying than others

[deep pawn]

I picked the snuffling one just to try cause I like kobolds

I found 0 orbs doing a bunch of stuff

[warm topaz]

hey guys, do you use any specific guide for profession content?

[ember blaze]

usually youtube

and if you wanna exploit early for 💸 youll find that too

[warm topaz]

nah i just wanna understand them hahaha

i lvl alchemy and herbalism back in DF and it was good

[tropic trail]

I just saw the one from wowhead

[zealous sedge]

i usually follow wowhead guides for professions, they are usually pretty reobust

[tropic trail]

Just farmed these https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/professions/knowledge-point-treasure-locations

[zealous sedge]

speaking of professions, are NPC work orders (Patron) like an addition to weekly knowledge point quests? Or are the weekly knowledge point quests tied directly into completing patron work orders?

[deep pawn]

weekly knowledge is patron stuff

you can actually get more than you did in DF

[zealous sedge]

right, but the weekly quests and the patron stuff are completely separate?

like u can do both weekly i guess is what i mean to say

[deep pawn]

You don't get a weekly crafting quest anymore, just work orders

[zealous sedge]

ohhh i see

[tropic trail]

But that doesn’t apply to gathering professions I guess? 🤔

[deep pawn]

Gatherers don't do work orders

[zealous sedge]

right ok so the weekly quests are only for gathering professions. crafting professions are Patron work orders got it got it

[deep pawn]

I think I got like 7 knowledge points on my tailor and leatherworker. Some recipes I don't have yet

Given this system is supposed to take us months to fill the rate doesn't seem horrible

[hazy kettle]

Not sure whether this has been cleared up in the channel already, but (brief recap inc) at the start of Ringing Deeps you encounter a Skardyn during the first two quests. Myself and a few others were confused as to why the player knew what a Skardyn is by that point, as they aren't mentioned in the Isle of Dorn previously (to my knowledge).

WELP. Turns out I forgor about this: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Skardyn Skardyn have been around "since the Cataclysm" (lore-wise since Grim Batol was cursed), but we never got a model in game nor did we encounter them with our characters... it stands to reason that we have previously learned about them though. Still a bit weird, but they aren't anything new (+ they are retroactively added to Grim Batol, from what I could gleam from the images for Season 1!)

[ember blaze]

from npc orders?

also i wonder if there is a cap to treasure knowledge

i think DF started without one so some people just spent legit 20 hours a day doing treasures and got maxed out

[hazy kettle]

https://youtu.be/2BAG-G-qz_Y
... this better happen in game.

Oh, also, the cinematic implies Magni will regain his Diamond Form at some point, because it keeps showing him in certain moments in his diamond form - which would be a massive continuity slip-up otherwise. I'm assuming it will be his new Stoneform (that he can slip in / out of)

[upper pasture]

why would it? all those scenes he was in could easily be from before he regained his flesh

the only one that could possible maybe be after would be the defense of dornogal but i'm pretty sure they we're there when we defended the city at the start too?

[ember blaze]

npc work orders requiring OUR mats and asking for rank 3 is bs 🛌

[hazy kettle]

The defense of Dornogal has Horde and Alliance banners, siege engines (for example the Horde Catapults) and a crap ton of other NPCs, like Sir Danath Trollbane - who canonically arrived by ship, at the end of the MSQ. 👀

[upper pasture]

hmm...that is a fair point. i missed the banners.

[deep pawn]

you get so much damn Hallowfall rep from the farm stuff

there's like 5 or 6 weeklies that are 200 rep each, 150 rep per rare

[dense plover]

could mean he gets the ability to shift in and out of diamond form

[hazy kettle]

Yeah, Stoneform Dagran mentions Magni taught him how to activate Stoneform, so I suspect Magni will use exactly that to turn in and out of Diamond Form.

[pulsar minnow]

Most likely answer to this problem is…

They’re just not gonna show Magni de-diamondified

It’s a spoiler of the msq

So they wouldn’t put it in the trailer

[hazy kettle]

I mean, true, but that also makes it a continuity-error by that logic. °-° So it's a trade-off, in a way.

[pulsar minnow]

It’s a trailer. It kind of exists outside of continuity

It’s meant to build hype and that’s really it

Look back at dragonflight. This is how they ended their trailer. Did this get-together ever happen in game or in lore? Nope

Best not to look too deep into these kinds of things

[harsh mason]

This is the last boss in one of the dungeons

[deep pawn]

Lol, the chamber of memory even uses the heart of azeroth animations

You'd think they wouldn't copy paste that hard

I wonder if the horrific visions portal will be used to visit memories

[hazy kettle]

Oh, ty for letting me know. 👀 Haven't been to that one yet, looking forward to seeing that thing in game then. ❤️

[hazy kettle]

That is a fair point. I'm going with fair likelihood he'll have a diamond-stoneform from now on.

... man, the story with Korgran (the Earthen who's slowly shutting down, who you help craft a lantern with) really is one painfully beautiful analogy for ||dementia and death||. T_T

[austere gazelle]

Mmm General buff are OP

[austere gazelle]

We get only one fragment of spark this week?

not like the initial first week of DF when we get a full one ?

[coral hazel]

are there any news about the 20th Anniversary event yet?

[warm topaz]

nope

[coral hazel]

okay, thanks

[tropic trail]

Should be on November 23 or something.

[sullen dawn]

I think they said it's starting late October

[zealous sedge]

I haven’t made it through the whole story yet, but if the Earthen restore the Machine, I feel like we can reasonably suspect that they will accompany us in droves over the next couple of expansions? I’m thinking back to the Earthen’s purpose was to essentially help the keepers maintain titan installations. Will they help us in decod and unearth more secrets of the other installations, such as Ulduar for the The Last Titan?

[uncut vault]

I cant imagine theyll play a huge role in Midnight, since that's already a ridiculously stacked cast to expect

but definitely in TLT

[silent urchin]

I think that whenever we uncover the "Grand conspiracy" at the core of azeroth, a lot of our new allies will be having to make hard choices

arathi and earthern specifically

[zealous sedge]

Yup I could totally see that. People gonna die

[silent urchin]

Even though earthern all went unbound, I still feel like they're pretty titan aligned and maybe not quite ready to fully turn against them

And there's definitely a lot of questions about who arathi are going to be loyal to, especially if one of the other big fleets or the emperor shows up

although given they did a half assed schism storyline for them already with priory that doesn't seem like it was for anything other than an excuse for a dungeon I'm a bit less convinced that that'll happen any time soon

[uncut vault]

Prior to TWW's reveal, my expectation was always that in our big Light vs Void clash, Yrel and the Lightbound would show up as our big ally in the Light

but once we finished, they'd turn around to us and go "you next"

now I wonder if the Arathi Empire will fill that role instead

[silent urchin]

I'm somewhat doubtful as to the whole "ally in the light" thing to begin with

[uncut vault]

Metzen definitely framed Midnight as the very typical thing we've always been expecting, forming an army of allies under the Light to "banish the void forever"

[silent urchin]

I still feel like it's coming down to unbound/mortals vs all the cosmic forces

[uncut vault]

which is part of why I think once that's done, then we'll get the "evil Light" premise

feels to me like Iridikron's whole plan was to orchestrate a win-win situation for himself via Xal'atath

either she wins, and the Titans are forced to return to fend off the void, or we win, and the threat of our massively skewed Light army forces us to call down the Titans

either way, he gets what he wants out of his bargain

[silent urchin]

Maybe. I feel like metzen was pretty careful with what he said, and even if it's technically true there's gonna be a lot we don't expect

[uncut vault]

Oh definitely, he doesnt even mention the why of us calling down the Titans for TLT

[pulsar minnow]

There’s some side quests that indicate the earthen have some good reason to dislike the titans beyond just wanting to be unbound

The namesake of Dornogal, the Titan watchers Dornic and Galan, went batshit insane and just started murdering earthen. Afterwards the earthen basically got mind wiped.

The earthen killed Dornic already

It seems like the earthen were always intended to be these mindless machines but something strange happened to them that caused them to actually gain real sentience and the desire to be unbound

Probably just Azeroth or smth

[tropic trail]

Light being evil is the last thing I want. Light is good, void evil. After what Xal’atath did so far it’s very obvious.

[warm topaz]

i don't think is that simple

[tropic trail]

Why not? 😂

[warm topaz]

Xe'ra wanted to transform Illidan into a being of light even though he didn't want to

[pulsar minnow]

https://youtu.be/Td0pUwrBWjc?si=-rAlnbLfQFRuhETY

Case in point

The light and void are two sides of the same coin

Two extremes, neither of which should be followed to the fullest extent

[acoustic kraken]

if they were opposing then that one quest the on npc that helps anduinn find his light wouldnt have said light alone cant banish this darkness and we wouldnt have had to go kill things

[pulsar minnow]

This isn’t to say that there isn’t good in all forces too. Every cosmic force has its downside

Nature can be all consuming, like on draenor. But it can also be nurturing and kind like what we’ve seen on Azeroth

Whereas death is mostly good too, but it follows a purpose, one which was broken by pretty evil guys like denathrius and Zovaal

And even in titans. Despite now being discovered to be more villainous, we still have titans like Aggramar and Eonar who are kind and compassionate

[lone mantle]

Duality exists in all things, even within mortals.

[blazing granite]

I mean, there sure are a lot of parallels made between the latter two

[deep pawn]

I believe the Titans think they were somewhat afflicted by the curse of flesh.

The book says they were shocked the Earthen of Khaz Algar developed a similar culture and language after being afflicted

[deep pawn]

I swear, warband banks have been the buggiest thing ever

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I remember that but did it say it was the curse of flesh?

[deep pawn]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Observational_Report:_Earthen

[silent urchin]

apparently chapter 4 of max level campaign is available too

although the spawn rate on quest mobs is terrible

and one of the cutscenes refused to work properly for me

did all the scripted movement etc, but it never entered the cutscene camera so I saw my character run away and disappear

as well as all the behind camera movement

look at me go, bye cutscene me

[zealous sedge]

How many chapters is the max level campaign?

If we know

[silent urchin]

5 total

but I think the 5th is post raid

[ember blaze]

i find it funny being a dracthyr with wings in that kind of scene

i can just fly….

[deep pawn]

omg, if you overload an ez explode ore and are too close...

[sleek solar]

This expansion seems to be exactly what WoW needed

At least so far it seems like that

[deep pawn]

oh servers just all crashed

[warm topaz]

NA?

[sleek solar]

Lmaoooo

Jynxed it

[zealous sedge]

Oh shiiiit

Maybe they pushed a fix to AH and crafting orders and it zonked

[upper pasture]

i'm still on lol

[deep pawn]

hmm, I saw all servers down for a moment then it logged me in

weird

[austere gazelle]

I had the same bug. Was stuck and /reload kept looping the cutscene with the npc flooding in loop " Its in my blood ! " , then my game crashed, I logged in back, and my corpse was falling far from the sky into the ground

[silent urchin]

yeah it was strange. When I relogged when stuck I just went to the end of the quest properly, at least

I tried like 4 times and it never worked properly

It was also doing the thing where it breaks voice lines until you restart

[zealous sedge]

i'm stuck on retrieving character list lol NVM we good

[silent urchin]

4/5 done on max level campaign. No earthern unlock, I guess that's still on the third

[austere gazelle]

those two quest were long as hell, the next one will be hallowfall attack ?

will the first campaign end on a cutscene of Xal in the Priory , and then the raids open ?

[silent urchin]

I dunno, I think this was as far as beta ever got

[uncut vault]

Yep, all story that was available on beta is now available on live

Anything else that comes out is brand new

[silent urchin]

I'm pretty sure xal'atath has buggered off deeper in pursuit of the world soul, empowering the nerubians to fight back is mostly just a distraction

Also feel like we've not seen much in terms of raw power from xal'atath herself

Dalaran exploded thanks to the dark heart. She has ways of manipulating people, but unless they've been corrupted by the black blood it's far from foolproof

[uncut vault]

Well, we know she shows up in Hallowfall one more time in the base story

[silent urchin]

all her illusions don't seem to be that difficult to dispel either

[uncut vault]

Release trailer had this one quick shot, the only cinematic we haven’t seen yet

[silent urchin]

Where do we know that from?

ah

Curious, then

I have been suspecting that beledar is linked to the world soul somehow, although I think that's because it's been put there by the light specifically to do that

And it turning to shadow is reflecting the state of the world soul somehow

we know the black blood and beledars corruption were both started by the sword

[deep pawn]

question is why would Sargeras do it? Or was that an accident by him

[silent urchin]

The fel want to claim the world soul as much as anyone else

sargeras striking out as he was defeated possibly wasn't the most logical action he could have taken, but damaging the light/order hold on the world soul probably still suits the fels purposes

[warm topaz]

could be the cinematic after defeating Ansurek?

[warm topaz]

im loving the side quest of Isle of Dorn

[white talon]

This exactly happened to me as well, very frustrating - ontop of the boss not spawning for 5 mins

[little hound]

That's a very fancy floor, probably at the end of Nerub'ar palace, or campaign finale.

[little hound]

I'm betting this, or Campaign Finale.

[dense plover]

solid guess tbh

thats also mine

the major questline we havent seen was chapter 5 of the campaign and i suspect that chapter 5 is also tied to the raid

hence the new story mode

[sullen dawn]

They already said chapter 5 is coming next week with earthen unlock

The raid won't be until the week after

The end of chapter 5 will probably lead into the raid story wise

[dense plover]

i didnt know that

thats gonna be interesting

[sullen dawn]

Aye!

I'm curious to see what happens next. This expansion has really pulled me in

[deep pawn]

I'm glad that starting week 2 all alts can get their hands on a free heroic crafting upgrade item

it's a pity you can't get 100% uptime on gleeful glamours

[dense plover]

what is gleeful glamours?

or are?

idk if its is/are b/c idk what that is

[deep pawn]

it's the echanting crafting item that lets you look like any other race in the game

At max quality it lasts 60 minutes for a 2 hour cd

[dense plover]

ah

[ember blaze]

from what

[deep pawn]

I'm gonna assume the reward from finishing the campaign and killing the last boss is the crafting item again

it was for all of DF

[pulsar minnow]

just a random thought but man, this expansion would be the perfect one to hide one of those secret mounts like during the BFA/Legion era

just imagine a little hole in the wall of hallowfall, leads to a breadcrumb that ends up having you explore every nook and cranny of these caverns

[dense plover]

im pretty pissed that the endgame cutscenes all dont have audio right now

[ivory meadow]

it isn't just the endgame cutscenes as well; none of the characters in the endgame have their poke lines as in the VO for them just stopped playing. I encountered this in the first few endgame quest and throughout the endgame campaign.

and it seems to only be the endgame campaign where this bug pops up because everything before that is fine.

The only way to fix this once you start noticing it is to completely exit out the game.

logging out will do nothing from what I've tried.

[dense plover]

you have to exit and relaunch to fix it

the CVAR is being turned to 0

someone fucked something up

[ivory meadow]

That's what I meant by completely exiting out of the game 😅 apologies for that not being clear enough. Also, yeah someone messed up monumentally.

[tropic trail]

Yea audio is somewhat bugged and servers are lagging too.

[proper scarab]

Well, as always Blizzard didn't expect the "massive" success and the millions of players logging in these days 😅

[tropic trail]

Yea

[austere gazelle]

There is something that might be linked with the Earthen. We learn that the Awakening machine powering up the earthen is directly taking its power from the world soul.

The earthen memories are encased in crystal shard that are also linked with a deeper facility that handle the crystal and make a giant archive.

We also learn that the Delve giga boss goal is to destroy Azeroth's memories he find

What if the Beledar is a giant crystal storing Azeroth's memories , like the Earthen ? Or function like her Brain ?

[silent urchin]

I guess it being worldsoul energy was the implication of the magni cutscene

I don't think beledar is connected to the earthern, but memories are definitely a common plot point all over the place

[tropic trail]

Why did Titans need access to the world center? Good question.

[austere gazelle]

I have a feeling that we'll have some earthmother moment in the rootland, I've not quite a cohesive theory but the old god depicted on the mural of the city of thread might have been this " earthmother " aka a benevolant - proto old god that repelled the " darkness " by fusing with the earth, and in the end, her heart was ripped out and her body began to be infused with the blood of the old gods and the void through sacrifice during the black empire, hoping to reawaken her ( Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it )
The titan found her heart and ordered it to transform it into a new world soul or something like this

[deep pawn]

Azeroth's heart has had a crater for a while

That line is related possibly to the sword, but I always figured it was the Maelstrom

The Haranir feel more Elune aligned than Azeroth but I'm sure we'll see soon.

They're almost certainly guarding the roots of the tree Elune gifted Eonar.

Their strict rules of hiding and non interference feels orderly enough to be Eonar too.

[silent urchin]

I don't put a whole lot of stock in the weird old god whispers

they're way too open to interpretation

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah there’s a line of text in a side quest where one Harronir just straight up name drops Elune’ahir

I think it’s pretty clear why the Coreway exists tho

The world soul

Titan containment prison around it?

I personally think Azeroth is not a fledgling world soul but a First One who was struck down somehow and created the planet Azeroth around herself while she healed. Titans found her, decided to start implanting installations to convert her to be more in line with Titan ideals, also placing a containment prison around her so that she wouldn’t wake up until they think she’s “aligned” enough

The whole “what is to come” from the jailer is whatever caused Azeroth to go into stasis in the first place

[deep pawn]

The Anomaly is what the Keepers called it

Aman'thul may have hid it's origin from the Keepers and Watchers though

[pulsar minnow]

I mean

The keepers are the ones who found it

And they were the ones who sent the earthen there in the first place to build it

[deep pawn]

were they? I thought the Titans helped set it up given what the Earthen records say haha

[pulsar minnow]

They were all involved

There was a geographical anomaly that allowed access to the inside of the planet and the titans wanted it guarded

That’s what the coreway is

It’s more of a defensive measure than anything else

[deep pawn]

It wouldn't be the first time the Keepers act in the name of the Titans while the Titans are far away if not gone

[pulsar minnow]

Well seemingly the titans probably knew about it too

Hell Elunaria is RIGHT next to it after all

We don’t know how old the coreway is in relation to the titans arrival on Azeroth

My guess is jt was established soon after the destruction of the black empire

They probably went: “oh shit, world soul” and then “oh shit easy access lets guard that while we do freaky titan shit”

[deep pawn]

Given the roots, odds are it's the hole Aman'thul made

[hazy kettle]

Source? TBF, my brain's scrambled rn, so I may have just forgotten that already

[pulsar minnow]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Observational_Report:_Earthen

[pulsar minnow]

Very possible

That said it seems he just pulled out the tree and left the stump

We’ll see, but I def think you could be right

[deep pawn]

nah, the book was clear only roots remained

Eonar wept bitter tears that rained down upon the resulting crater.

"It is said that much later, as the world entered a new age, mysterious guardians arrived who dedicated their lives to protecting the roots.
But that is a tale for another time."

That's the Haranir

Freya was also tasked to watch it which we know cause the Freywolds

so it's there.

The Earthen must have been created after the war with the black empire though

[hazy kettle]

tyvm, valid, valid

Though it somewhat implies the core way was built before the machines were

[pulsar minnow]

Oh no I agree I’m just saying I don’t know if he physically reached into the planet and pulled it out or did he just pull out whatever was on the surface

Because all we know is the roots are for sure there

It’s hard to explain without like visualizing it

[deep pawn]

Crater sounds big

Odds are the Sea in Hallowfall could be magical because of Eonar's Tears assuming it isn't just legend.

[opal storm]

does she say the same to newer players who never played Legion questline?

[stray island]

is it possible to complete all questlines in hallowfall yet?

[proper palm]

no

[deep pawn]

It might be

I'm missing just two questlines. One is a 24 hour wait and another just requires 80

[whole nebula]

(Season of Discovery PTR related) I have found a new raid instance portal in Silithus likely related to a new Thunderaan raid

Idk if this channel is retail only, sorry if so

[sleek solar]

Nope its a general channel 🙂

[dense plover]

Technically a general channel but generally very little care for anything outside of retail

Tbh I think they should have a separate channel for classic/SoD to encourage the discussion

[harsh mason]

In short, my forecast for TWW: Act 1 is a war with the Nerubians, Act 2 will be around goblins, earthen and their machines, Act 3 with Xal

[dense plover]

One of the patches has to focus on the rootlands and the Harronir

No way we aren’t doing that

I think its Undermine and Rootlands

With Rootlands probably having an actual name eventually

[proper scarab]

Naaah too easy. Xal is Act 1, Act 3 is against Azeroth herself so we close WoW with a bang! 😅 And we need another planet.

[harsh mason]

We definitely don't need a new planet.

[thin warren]

Would be perfect for WoW 2

[deep pawn]

MMO sequels tend to struggle

Only one I know of that's surpassed it's original is Guild Wars 2

[deep pawn]

for whatever reason, in game they've gone with Haranir despite the files and artwork book saying Harronir.

[dense plover]

I’ve seen Harronir in game

Might be a typo

[pulsar minnow]

Doesn’t seem to be

They’re using haranir a lot in game

Might be intentional to make the name sound closer to Elune Ahir

[silent urchin]

The race's name is spelled "harronir" in the game files and The Art of World of Warcraft: The War Within, but only the "haranir" spelling is used in-game. according to the wiki, although it wouldn't surprise me if there were both spellings somewhere still

does seem like haranir is the new/official version

[deep pawn]

So I finished today, I think they changed the criteria for the one that's fine the lost treasures

[tropic trail]

They give transmog for it, haha 😂

[tropic trail]

Goblins can only fit into a filler raid, like trial of Valor.

Raids always lean into being more “serious” endeavours in comparison with dungeons. And you can not be serious with goblins and gnomes.

[deep pawn]

Undermine deserves a lot more than just a mega dungeon

[whole lagoon]

dose seige master black fuse not count form mop

well tbh he wasnt like a serious threat or anything

but he was a cool raid boss

[harsh mason]

We already have WoW 10

Destroying Azeroth is a bad idea because it is the foundation of the game universe. Then you can just name the game differently and make it simple in the Warcraft universe. As a single offshoot . But for sure no one will do it within the framework of wow

It's like making a new TES on another planet, or a new f Baldur's gate, or new Dragon age

[acoustic kraken]

twirls moustache muahaha not a new planet, under the planet, points at hollow azeroth theory

[thin warren]

it's just becoming a bit much, you never can get back up to the current events that allready happened all

10 expansions with each their updates and extra events added

it's becoming a bit much

[sleek solar]

Wtf I get Xal's old model

[warm topaz]

i really like the cave design in this expansion

[deep pawn]

It's all old layouts I'm pretty sure.

There's a couple we haven't seen in a while though

There's a couple spiral cave layouts that are from Wrath

[warm topaz]

ooh those are from Wrath

is the AH broken?

[lone mantle]

Yes.

[deep pawn]

I'd have to double check but I'm pretty sure that's the magnataur layout

[deep pawn]

Its probably nuts I recognize cave layouts at all

[hazy kettle]

[uncut vault]

Did they fix the cutscene voice acting btw? Want to know if I should do the chapter yet haha

[sleek solar]

Sadly not

I did the stormriders chapter snd there was no voice acting in the cutscene which ruined a beautiful moment

[dense plover]

i had no idea the mereldar bells go off EVERYTIME beledar goes to shadow

thats cool

[zealous sedge]

Bro not me feeling emotional at the end of the ringing deeps. I know its just a game but damn.

[tropic trail]

Why?

[lone mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=111rCRTANyQ

Nonetheless, Aquarius, please initiate a direct teleport to the #no-wow-discussion channel. I’ve got some intriguing data to share.

[whole matrix]

i loved that ending man

[tropic trail]

Questline is epic, Metzen knows how to catch emotion.

Last time I did Loremaster out of enjoyment was in Legion.

[whole matrix]

honestly yeah the whole campaign is great

[hazy kettle]

Metzen said he came on board when WW was mostly developed, this may very well have been by somebody else. :0 Regardless of that though, it's a wonder cinematic 🙂

[tropic trail]

Yea

[sleek solar]

I really love this expansion so far

Best one since Legion so far imo

I cant wait to see more of Danath Trollbane, and his views on the Arathi

Also if he will play a role in meeting the Emperor

[warm topaz]

i've done like, a ton of side quest with my shaman for leveling, they all reward rings

rings or bracers

[worn crown]

Good observation 🙂

People like to praise Metzen as if he always did everything by himself. And seem too eager to ignore his past mistakes in lore or his terrible past creative decisions. He is just human. 😉

Plus, he is Executive Creative Director now, the Creative Director for TWW is called Chris Robinson, who no ones care for.

Also, Metzen did say in a recen interview that WoW team and storytelling is much more democratized now - so no, no one ever does anything "by himself".

[tropic trail]

As long as there is no „good is bad, bad is good” type of writing I am ok. 😅

[harsh mason]

It worked a little wrong.

He is not responsible for this, he is responsible for the general course of history

[warm topaz]

the weekly quests are not acc wide right?

i can do them with all my chars

[dense plover]

yes but the rewards are weekly-ish?

[upper pasture]

some are some aren't. rep account based. gold/gear character based. pretty sure the coffer keys and whatnots from the special assignments are also character based and not accountwide cause that would be turbo bad.

the weekly quests IE the "choose your own weekly stuff"/dungeon weekly are character based but if the reward is rep it's just less reward when you do it "over" on an alt

the chest for the weekly seems to randomly give out loot too some characters got 3600g one item and some other things where some get 1600 gold 2 items and some other stuff.

[sleek solar]

Maybe this sounds dumb, but I get the feeling a new neutral magic city will be build that replaces Dalaran, which would be a joint operation between Alliance and Horde

[dense plover]

not anytime soon

considering midnight is in silvermoon and the last titan is in ulduar

pretty much guaranteed Ulduar itself should be the capital city in TLT

[sleek solar]

No not soon indeed, but eventually

[deep pawn]

It's gonna be Dalaran rebuilt

Ulduar is gonna be a raid

We might just kill Odyn in Ulduar 2.0, but it's coming

13.0 Iridikron, 13.1 Odyn in Ulduar, 13.2 Seat of the Pantheon.

[austere gazelle]

absolutely not. It'll be the titan's turf from wich they launch their invasion. its the place were Odyn is atm and speaking with all the other Keepers, it's very much titans HQ for TlT
My bet will be ICC or some stuff like that ( or even better, Iridikron's stronghold that is supposed to be beneath Dragonblight )
Dalaran might be something kept from the end of this expack of Midnight somehow.

[sleek solar]

I really hope ICC will play a role again

[dense plover]

Pretty much a given

[sleek solar]

Ohhh why? (genuine question)

It would give DK's even more content xD

[dense plover]

because we are going to northrend

[sleek solar]

Ohhhh

[iron hare]

I think you can credit him to injecting life in the team, lots of interviews said they felt renewed once metzen came in, and that's something I feel like you can feel in the game compared to dragonflight

[dense plover]

I think part of what it is, is that Metzen isnt looking at next patch or the patch after

hes looking at the next 6+ years and saying what is the story we want to tell?

once you know that it becomes a lot more fun because you can narrow in on smaller stories and have that bigger influence play a role, even if it isnt center stage

both the isle of dorn and hallowfall leave Xal as just an influence for their problems

only Azj-Kahet and Ringing Deeps move Xal to center stage

vs Dragonflight where every zone had the primalists as the core issue in some way or another

and at no point did they feel evil or threatening really

just annoying

[sleek solar]

I very much agree

Did Lightforged get some specific dialogue? Like void elves and Dracthyr did?

[deep pawn]

I dunno, I don't think we're going back to all of Northrend

If I was a guessing man, we'll get Storm Peaks, Flooded Zul Drak, Crystalsong, Dragonblight, Grizzly Hills, and Howling Fjord.

Howling Fjord and Grizzly Hills as one zone would be cool.

[iron hare]

We'll get ulduar as a whole zone I bet

One of the og plans was ulduar to be a continent, I imagine a fully rebuilt titan esque city is in the cards

[deep pawn]

I guess in a year when we see how they do Quel'thalas we'll get a better idea

but whatever it is will be 4 zones at launch

some old ones can be combined

[dense plover]

I bet we see Scholazar too

Honestly current wrath could easily be 4 zones

Borran Tundra and Scholazar as one, dragonblight and icecrown as one, grizzlyhills, and howling fjord, maybe zul farrak is fully left out, and then storm peaks and ulduar are combined

Honestly we technically haven’t seen how the cataclysm affected northrend - it should have but it hasn’t

Or maybe something will happen before TLT that will change those zones

Maybe the titan machinery underneath it will rise up

[deep pawn]

pretty sure one book or another said Zul Drak was flooded

[zealous sedge]

It's kind of interesting the arc of this world soul saga after reading this discussion. Obviosuly Khaz Algar is a completely new zone- but i feel still has ties to Vanilla and even before the start of World of Warcraft. From the Arathi to the Nerubians, Earthen, Skardyn, etc. It feels like a big reset for new and old players. Lots of new protagonists and new villains which I feel hasn't been in WoW since Vanilla itself. Then we have Midnight which is going back to Silvermoon and is obviously directly tied to TBC. Hopefully we could see changes to Azuremyst Isle for the Dranei, and maybe even some rejuivanted Netherstorm content (doubt it tho). And then obviously we have The Last Titan which is going to take place in Northrend and Ulduar. It makes alot of sense to me and feels like a big reset with the "original trilogy" to put it so bluntly. And now we are back to where we started with another trilogy that revisits the origins of what WoW is all about.

I love it.

[pulsar minnow]

It’s really cool. It all feels familiar but it’s cool seeing how times have changed

The threat facing the Sunwell being the void instead of death or chaos

And in northerend the threat being order and the elements instead of death

I absolutely cannot wait to see silvermoon revamped. I’m really hoping the city itself is actually just an entire zone. Same goes with Zul Gurub

Like Suramar on turbo steroids

Zul Gurub, Ghostlands, Silvermoon City, Eversong Woods. Those could work as our zones imo, with Quel Danas being patch content like the forbidden reach

[zealous sedge]

I'm really hoping we get some plaguelands and maybe even lorderon revamp too. With that 10.2.7(?) patch and reclaiming gilneas, they definitely are setting it up for a good portion of the norther part of the eastern kingdoms to be revamped, imo. Idk if that fucks with Undead, Worgen, and Blood Elf starting zones too much tho. Although there is always Chromie for those inconveniences.

To be honest this is mostly technical but I'm really not sure how they meld Quel'Thalas with the rest of Eastern Kingdoms since current zones are SO much bigger than our original continents. It feels like it could be disjointed. It would be kind of lame if they kept it instanced from the rest of the continent still.

Maybe, just maybe the whole thing gets zapped into the void and that entire part is essenitally another "world"

Like just on a completely differet plane. Maybe thats was Xal achieves. With the Dark Heart she conjured a huge void "sphere" and while that obliterated Dalaran. Assuming maybe Khadgar lived, he could have been transported to a void realm instead of being snapped into oblivion. Maybe Xal gets the Dark Heart powered to a place where she can do a mega void sphere and her intent is to bring the power of the Quel'Thalas and the sunwell to the void so her master (if she has one) can devour it.

[deep pawn]

I'm gonna wager that Silvermoon is our next City of the Threads

the devs seem to think we love that design so much, but I think City of the Threads is no Suramar myself

[austere gazelle]

it feels honestly less threatening that suramar. The guards are merely an inconvenience and I had to force myself to be expelled from the city for the achievement.
Mostly because we already have the flying mount I guess.

[deep pawn]

probably

plus there's just a lot less enemies around

[austere gazelle]

They should have put some anti air force to force us to walk into the city instead of flying everywhere

[deep pawn]

the power of pheromones I guess

[austere gazelle]

Yeah there is also an npc telling us that the Nerubian can hardly see and differenciate a gnoll from a goblin for example, but for the smell

[sleek solar]

I speedrunned a lot of quests because of flying which was great, but on some points it would fit better if you are forced to walk

[austere gazelle]

yep, for example they could make us fly into the market but other area like the transformation ground and the palace suburb should be a no fly zone

We're on hostile territory dammit xD

[stable dome]

Anybody else here hate the darkness mechanic?

[uncut vault]

I mean it’s their first time even attempting to replicate it in 8 years, so I don’t think they believe people love it as much as you think lol

If anything, the weirder thing is that they took so long to try and iterate on Suramar, given how much of a smash hit it was in Legion

[deep pawn]

they've mentioned Suramar multiple times in interviews I feel

I'm just a bit wary of them doing enemy city we walk around back to back with Silvermoon

I suppose we can sorta handwave it as Xal'atath wants us there but still.

[austere gazelle]

yet the flying stuff ruined it... It should have been something you would unlock as you undermine the queen's influence in the city. Like the vizier find a way to put pheromone to your mount that prevent aerial defences from shooting you down in a late renown or stuff.

Nerubian can shoot a Arathi ship and lock it down, yet there are tons of stranger flying above their city and they don't mind <_<

[stable dome]

I wonder what Xal would want in northerend which is the last expansion

[austere gazelle]

dunno... I think the light and the void will become something else by the end of midnight and that life death, light and shadow will gather to repel Order and help us. Harmony of the cosmos seems to be a big topic since SL and the convergence and unification of all forces seems to be a setted goal

Xal and Iridikron might become unlikely allies in the Last Titan

[stable dome]

Or maybe xal just wants to sit on the frozen throne. Although she really needs to touch grass. Like she floats she needs to walk on the land

And then we still have iridikron since he gave her the dark heart

[austere gazelle]

He wants to destroy the titans. converging goal in the last titan

That's why he was not bent on destroying us and underestimating us in Dragonflight I guess. He want us by his side when the time comes

[stable dome]

Wait until he finds out the void is no better than the titans

[austere gazelle]

The Void will be dealt with in Midnight, as the Light. I think something like the end of Amirdrassil will happens and the Harmony of Azeroth will put the two fighting children at peace

We have the Crown of Harmony mending life and death together. We will have something else for the light and the shadow

Thats what will infuriate the titans. They'll begin to see they are on the losing side of the cosmos battle and that their influence will pass ( and that azeroth is gaining free will and is destroying their precious timeline )

[deep pawn]

Iridikron doesn't like the void either

He was disappointed in Neltharion for giving in to it

[austere gazelle]

but yet he allied with it, and doesnt seems concerned at all by the perspective of Xal succeeding, which proves that the goal is not to summon dimensius to devour Azeroth , but that what she will do we lure the titans in

[deep pawn]

He thinks if the world soul is threatened the Titans will come. And he's right

His only goal is to get them here to fight.

What plan he has to actually kill them who knows

But Iridikron's entire thing is about long term scheming

[austere gazelle]

yep that's whyI think he knows what Xal will do and he knows that the goal is not to leave Azeroth as a piece of rubble.

I also think Iridikron somehow had an ally that knows a lot about the timeline ( Murozond ? ) since he seems to know a lot of stuff about it

[harsh mason]

I wonder if it was part of his plans that Fyrakk was going to literally cleanse the planet with fire?

Considering that in the end Fyrakk also considered him a traitor

[stable dome]

I wonder what fyrakk would of thought of Xal

[harsh mason]

And 100% was going to kill him too

[austere gazelle]

I think he saw Fyrakk has a variable he couldn't fully control, he just channeled his anger toward a single goal and led him to the shadowflame knowing we were enough to stop him I guess. He didn't even care. after all, we dealt with Deathwing that was ten time more powerful ( and it was a really nice diversion too )

I also think he fully knew Vyranoth would be swayed by Alexstrasza

[hazy kettle]

Yeah, so... Imma need some full-on explanation what the heck this is about.

[sleek solar]

Okay so

A kaheti citizen is in Orgrimmar, in stealth

There ya go

[hazy kettle]

[austere gazelle]

That must have been the hell of a travel in stealth mode though

[sleek solar]

Rogue with Shadowmeld 2.0

[plain violet]

So we checked with some friends and it's just when someone use a item and log off during the duration!

[hazy kettle]

How... which item? 👀

[plain violet]

This one!

It allow us to take a nerubian form for 1mn.

So if you log off during... boom!