beta-ptr-spoilers

[lilac imp]

No matter what realm i log in to, i see all my characters

Just uninstalled and reinstalled beta, it persist, so its an account problem

[acoustic kraken]

might have an addon auto creating or interfereing

but looks like you have inputs going off and might want to test hardware

[silent urchin]

I never experienced it on beta but I haven't been on for a while

[acoustic kraken]

that template thing might be why its changing race/class each time too

[silent urchin]

I think that's just always random

[acoustic kraken]

yep logged out and it is just random

never went back and forth before

[lilac imp]

Was thinking about it, but my normal wow doesnt have this problem, only beta

what about seeing character s from all realms on one screen?

Is it normal for everyone?

[silent urchin]

Yes, you should. That was part of 11.0

[lilac imp]

ok thx

[lilac imp]

reinstalled all

still stuck

for future reference, problem started when i created a char and used gear boost

Both characters i used it on are still "processing" after 6 hours

Found this thread:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/bug-stuck-in-a-character-creation-loop/1910719/8

the problem is connected to some characters being "faulty", and when the character is deleted, error stops

TLDR:

Add:
SET disableAutoRealmSelect "1"
to Beta > WTF > config file

it repairs it

then you can log in to other realm, delete faulty characters and its okay

But if you log in to the realm that faulty characters are on, bug is back

[silent urchin]

very odd, maybe just a beta thing if its linked to gear update though

there are often beta specific issues

[lilac imp]

did some more testing and read other people problems just so i can later send more detailed bug report on forums:

Whole bug is connected to gear update option for new character.
When i use gear update, character might becomes "stuck". If i try to log in on it, it logouts me back with message that i cannot log in on that char until the updating process completes.
This is when the error occures.
Since by default, when you launch wow, it goes to the last active realm, you log in on the realm that the faulty character is on, and then it bugs out and sends you into the character creation loop, and you cannot do anything or even delete the faulty character.
The whole realm that has a faulty character is bugged out, and logging in on it causes the loop.

So by adding:
SET disableAutoRealmSelect "1"
to the config file, when you launch wow, you can choose what realm you log in on.
You can then log in to different realm, where you can still see faulty characters, but since you are not logged in on realm they are on, you can delete them, and it resolves a problem.

I will not try this, but theoretically, if i tried to use gear boost option on all 4 realms, there would not be any realm that i can safely log in on to delete them, and my account would be completely unusable

[lilac imp]

Made a reddit thread on the fix for others 😄

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1eorlt3/beta_stuck_in_character_creation_loop_fix/

Also now i tried again to use gear boost, but it allways get stuck and i have to delete that character

Can anyone else use gear boost and not get the bug?

[errant wraith]

are they allowing the dragon race to become any class or is that just speculation?

[ember blaze]

this has been confirmed for ages now. When they unlock it is another question

[errant wraith]

didnt know that, thanks

[deep pawn]

early in TWW they said

So 11.0.7 or 11.1 is my guess

build just dropped apparently

[errant wraith]

do we know the classes they can be?

[pulsar minnow]

not currently

We know Warrior and Mage at least

probably the same classes that everyone can be if I were to guess

[errant wraith]

and paladins should be for any race soon enough because "as long as the race believes it is doign right they can use the light"

[ember blaze]

that just depends whenever theyre not feeling lazy and just make a horse

[deep pawn]

mage, rogue, warrior, hunter, warlock are a given. Druid, shaman, paladin are all "possibles"

DKs and DH are nos

[ember blaze]

why no dks

im sure there are deadge dracthyr around

[deep pawn]

cause DKs are once again timelocked to pre-SL

There were no awake Dracthyr back then

Now Bolvar has 0 power

[ember blaze]

what happens when a DK is killed

[upper pasture]

I don’t see you logic here, the point is there’s no one with the power currently to convert dead Dracthyr into DK Dracthyr

[ember blaze]

well to make a dk you revive them right

[upper pasture]

To put it simply sure.

Dead person, bring them back alive. However to create a DK you need a special type of bringing back. And not everyone/anyone can do that. Only the Lich king has/had that power

[ember blaze]

so is that power tied to the helm then?

[upper pasture]

I believe so

[ember blaze]

didnt we make a new one 🤔

[upper pasture]

We used the helm and turned it into the crown of unity and gave it to pelagos

I’d assume the runecarver could helm us make another helm of domination but like others pointed out last time this was brought up. We took care of the majority of the rampaging undead in the prepatch of SLs so a Lich king might not be required anymore. But we will/might get more info on that in TLT since we are heading back to northrend

[dense plover]

wtf they BUFFED weapons of order?

isnt it already strong?

oh apparently not

apparently this is bringing in line the covenant version of the ability

[deep pawn]

They removed DKs from Earthen so my assumption is no new dk races til they have another lore excuse to add more

[crystal pond]

Well I mean
How earthens can be dks if they not made of flesh?

[ember blaze]

magic

[upper pasture]

i mean, they are alive, so i guess they would have to just be unalived then raised with death magic

[crystal pond]

They not alive in the way of life beings
They just powered with energy
Just like machines with electricity

So how can be they be dks?

In lore way in gameplay way its doesn't matter

[sleek solar]

Dracthyr druids when

[tropic trail]

Haha 😂

[hazy kettle]

Drac druids before human druids and I'll riot

[deep pawn]

I'm sorry, but Dracthyr are directly connected to green dragon magic and can be taught directly by Cenarius and Merithra. /hj

[rain cave]

how can undead be DK if human are just undead? or vice versa?

also with Calia's story in SL they basically said that 'undead' are just people who are resurrected through some form of power/magic, earthen DK's would probably just be something like they found a way of injecting death magic instead of the normal titan magic to animate them

[deep pawn]

Who knows, but whatever reason they had dks and it got removed

Likely because there isn't really a reason for them to be victims of the 4th war.

[rain cave]

yeah, I'm surprised they did the new DK start like that tbf

[crystal pond]

They was life beings before they was made dks

Because lore wise all dks was a living beings before their death

While with titans stuff its just stone boys/girls
So death magic can't do shit to them
But others magic can

Still wonder how pure void corrupt stone
Right now its just "hahahaha bloodbath uwuwuwuwuw"

Its probably one of those power rules
Like, you can't become undead if you wasn't bio-alive
Or you can't wield light if you don't truly believe in your actions
And yada yada i don't remember them all

Its just different to each one and not the same for the other

But i want like to see how the earthen dks will work

[rain cave]

I mean, undead DK's?

[crystal pond]

Um yes

[rain cave]

Blood elves, Nightborne, Lightforged, Void elves

they're all races infused with other magics

[crystal pond]

They was a human
Lived
Then Died
Was rised as undead
Uprised as dks

I don't understand where did you saw a problem lol?

[rain cave]

what makes them DK's is being raised into undeath with death magic

not that they are life beings

if anything only a few of the playable races are life aligned :p

trolls and tauren mainly

being fleshy and mortal doesn't make you a life being, if anything it makes you closer to death magic

there's evidence of this in-game actually, not only just generally shadowlands, but specifically in Zereth Mortis we see "progenitor" /prototype versions of a variety of animals and races

so yeah there's no reason earthen couldn't be DK's logically, just the story isn't open for them yet

if anything you could have a specific little narrative for them if we can't fix their charging system, where some of them go and find death magic to charge themselves to regain their 'immortality'

[bronze smelt]

Hi folks, are the EU beta servers down? This is my first beta so I am not sure if I've done something wrong, or if this is normal and the servers look this way for everyone?

[old pagoda]

The servers are down

They went down like an hour or so ago,

[bronze smelt]

Ah okay, thanks

[rain cave]

login screen updated?

[warm topaz]

a couple of builds ago yeah

[rain cave]

on live

[warm topaz]

oh, my bad hahaha

[thin warren]

[lone mantle]

[crystal pond]

So
No 2d cinematic

Or it will be tomorrow?

[sullen dawn]

Today or never

[crystal pond]

[rain cave]

I mean we could get some at launch

didn't the sylvanas one only launch with the scenario it's set in

[sullen dawn]

I know you mean it

You said it

[crystal pond]

2d cinematics supposed to go once every week

Before launch

[sullen dawn]

Exception to rule

[crystal pond]

Legacies was like that, warbringers, afterlifes and etc.

[rain cave]

that's not what "mean" means in that sentence xD

[sullen dawn]

I now. It's a pet peave of mine people starting sentences with "I mean"

So unnecessary

[rain cave]

doesn't mean anything tbf, they've shown they're willing to hide things before launch more and more. We're expecting the Haronir to be fully implemented on launch

it's a phrasing to not come off as aggressive/passive aggressive for me

[acoustic kraken]

i hope we get VR cinematics

[sullen dawn]

To be I see it as more passive aggressive lmao

[rain cave]

like if I just replied going "We could get some at launch" it seems a bit too direct

[sullen dawn]

I prefer that

[rain cave]

like I'm just trying to tell you you're wrong instead of just opening the floor for discussion

by saying "I mean" it's like "ehh well this is counter to that but could go either way"

[sullen dawn]

To me the "I mean" thing does that more than saying directly. But it's just persona preference

To me it comes of as "nah you're wrong cos..."

It makes sense when it's used sparingly in a long back and forth conversation

But on first response it seems passive aggressive

[tropic trail]

What cinematic? I thought they just released one

[crystal pond]

2d cinematics*

[silent urchin]

previous expansions they've had around 3 of these animated shorts

and generally released them weekly

although not always weekly

[tropic trail]

Interesting 🤔

[crystal pond]

All expansions since legion had 3 of them

And then poof

And each one went once every week before the launch

[warm topaz]

SL had 4

one per zone

[crystal pond]

Yeah

Well not one atleast

Pandaria have more

But in general they was releasing every weak before expansions (i don't remember mop cause it was too long ago )

[finite kayak]

Is TWW beta down?

[dense plover]

probably?

beta typically goes down once the equivalent patch goes out

since we are now on 11.0.2

they want people off the beta so they can prep for 11.0.5 or 11.0.7

[finite kayak]

rip. I wanted to check out more stuff but the campaign has been bugged since.

[dense plover]

wasnt bugged

intentionally disabled

they were done testing that stuff

[finite kayak]

ah bummer.

thanks for clarification at least.

[dense plover]

pretty normal once expac launch starts to come around

they could turn it back on, but its unlikely

[deep pawn]

gods i hope they're not done m+ testing

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the version we have on live is probably 6 patches behind tbh

and they certainly have a lot of runs to filter through

[deep pawn]

I thought beta lasted much closer to launch for DF

[dense plover]

beta wasnt public

they also didnt push the final build this early

but the final build has the remix stuff

and remix ends monday(?)

so there isnt another major reset before remix

looks like it isnt down forever yet

@finite kayak

[finite kayak]

I'll see if I can get on later.

ty

[deep pawn]

oh, a launch test, weird

[pulsar minnow]

probably for the best if they're gonna have people paying for 3 days early access

[dense plover]

I mean - DF had a seamless launch

So I’m sure that’s not the point

It’s for load testing

[pulsar minnow]

I mean yeah but we already saw what happened with prepatch

and didn't DF have a launch test?

[crystal pond]

Launch will be broken anyway

[deep pawn]

unless you were on a big realm

they had to spawn portals cause the boats broke haha

[crystal pond]

Boats and ships wasn't spawning at all sometimes

Or was teleport you into the nowhere

[opal storm]

Is chamber of heart accessable after pre-patch?

Wanted to get back to horrific visions to get weapon illusion but its closed on live rn

[willow pebble]

HI! What is the warlock spec to go in TWW? I like to do M+! TY

[novel finch]

What's the current M+ situation on beta? Is it still Fortified + Tyrannical + the 20% increase affix + the xalatha affix? I recently heard something about affixes that only boost specific damage types

[silent urchin]

those affixes were only on briefly, since replaced by the xalatath ones

the damage boosting ones, that is

[vapid plinth]

Anyone has link to the spreadsheet for bis item list for every class in the tww?

[vague sail]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16blLEXuaVinWxEOSUnesj_Hw1MgIi36x7ii7NZ3liZk/edit?gid=1031577849#gid=1031577849

Hello, does anyone know if we will be able to attend siege of boralus on a cross faction group ? Is the dungeon been reworked for TWW ?

[warm topaz]

it's the alliance version of the dungeon iirc

but yeah you can go with a cross faction group

[vague sail]

Alright

[lone mantle]

https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1823766668700508492

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

The Harbinger is here.

Twitter · Aug 14, 2024, 5:00 PM

[harsh mason]

mom

pov: you are shadow priest

[tropic trail]

Omg he is alive! She try to do something to him! 😱

[candid ruin]

oh we get to see the Dalaran stuff on beta

[tropic trail]

Try to kill another favorite npc again !

[silent urchin]

Weird to keep it hidden til now then throw it on beta two weeks early

[upper pasture]

it's basically a week tho

anyone who might care about spoilers will likely have EA

[lone mantle]

We must act swiftly and terminate her before she strikes.

[candid ruin]

yeah 1 week early, didn't think they'd test it at all tbh

[upper pasture]

khadgar definitely tried, that blast was everything the man had.

[austere gazelle]

but she swallows all through her dark heart anyway

[upper pasture]

oh yeah

[candid ruin]

oh wow they're testing the whole intro

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/1918688-war-within-beta-launch-test-august-15/

[austere gazelle]

22:30, meh

[opal storm]

I took my glasses off and for a second though Khadgar is holding a shotgun

[silent urchin]

I mean it's pretty much the same thing

[signal bone]

idk man, these cinematics recently are just huge steps down from the ones we got in Legion / BFA.

[sullen dawn]

BFA was goated with cinematics

I'm struggling to feel anything story wise with the lead up to TWW

[signal bone]

they just feel so uninspired.

it really is weird because I thought they were going to go all in on the story and what not for the next 3 expacs, it's starting out really weak

[sullen dawn]

I'm hyped for the expansion gameplay wise, and the theme is cool (I love dwarves and underground shit) but man.... the marketing of the story has been ass

Yeh weaker than DF even

[signal bone]

like, they look good, but the actual dialogue and animations just feel really stiff and static

[sullen dawn]

And DF story was terrible

[sullen dawn]

Xal comes across as so unthreatening. It's like they're actors who rehearsed their lines and are on stage for a play

The lead up up to BFA was so exciting. Between the three S tier 2.5,d cinematics and things like Old Soldier it felt like the beginning of a real saga

[pulsar minnow]

Well to be fair this is like only one cinematic out of the tons we’ll be getting later in the expansion

[upper pasture]

I'd say speak for yourself, she's manipulated countless people across thousands of years to get to this point she is plenty threatening and we are literally seeing how strong she is now.

[sullen dawn]

I'm judging the expansion lead up

[pulsar minnow]

Like none of the ones during questing have even been seen

Yeah even then we haven’t seen the others in Dalaran

[sullen dawn]

And none of this comes across in how she is presented

[pulsar minnow]

This seems to be only half a cinematic too

[sullen dawn]

Again, I'm comparing what was presented before the expansion of TWW with what was presented before the expansion with BFA

There may very well be more cinematics. But that's not what I'm comparing/saying

I'm saying the pre-release story buildup is shit

[pulsar minnow]

Well it’s arguably not better than BFA sure. But also the war of thorns was a pretty shit pre expansion event

Didn’t exactly drum up hype itself

[deep pawn]

I think it's been fine? The pre-patch event is a tad dull, but I think the devs were heavily criticized for BfA's extent of temporaryness

[sullen dawn]

It did for me

A lot better than killing memories

[pulsar minnow]

Idk I saw world quests as the pre expansion event and immediately checked out

I loved the scenario with Talanji and whatnot

And I think we still are waiting to see that here

[sullen dawn]

TWW really needed an old soldier quality/length cinematic

To introduce us to the world soul saga

[lone mantle]

I am eager to see what future unfolds.

[sullen dawn]

Maybe showing Xal atath during the black empire

Look I'm very hyped for the expansion, but the pre release story buildup is like a wet fart

[pulsar minnow]

Personally I absolutely loved old soldier, that said I think legion is like the gold standard for pre expansion hype

[sullen dawn]

Legion pre release buildup was also fantastic

WoD was strong too tbh

Shadow lands was even pretty good (it was only after release the problems emerged)

DF was a big step down, and TWW has been even less interesting

[opal storm]

WoD was probably biggest disappointment

So much hype before expansion

[sullen dawn]

(again not the expansion itself, just the prerelease story buildup)

[opal storm]

Great leveling quests

[sullen dawn]

Yeh I'm not judging the actual quality of the expansions here

[opal storm]

Loved those warlords short videos

[sullen dawn]

Just how good blizz were at getting us invested in the story prerelease

[opal storm]

Same as the mannoroth cinematic

[sullen dawn]

For sure. The ogre colosseum one was hype af

[opal storm]

Wish they had more time to finish their plans

[sullen dawn]

Me too but I think if they had legion wouldn't have been as good as it was

[opal storm]

Hate how 2 of warlords died just... one in dungeon and other one was first boss on the raid

May be

Part of me hopes for WoD classic or remix to complete what they couldnt but i know they won't go this far for old expansion

[sullen dawn]

WoD remix would be fantastic imo

[little hound]

Khadgar: Blasts.
Xal: Simply turns the magic into void energy with Dark Heart.
Xal: Lul.

[rain cave]

She is so bad man

like in a good way

was really fun to see khadgar just go all out since usually he does more stylish magic, we've not seen him just strain and do full raw power blast

bro used arcane surge and xal just went 'Immune'

I do like them showing the dark heart converting power to shadow though, I'm very curious what it's going to be used for. My guess is sunwell is involved as well

[lone mantle]

Xal'atath is a curious entity. I wish to unravel the secrets of her past.

[rain cave]

there's definetly others who'd like to unravel something

[deep pawn]

I mean what she wants to do isn't a stretch

she wants to convert the world soul

[tropic trail]

She wants to have it eaten

[deep pawn]

and while we don't know how, the Sunwell is getting corrupted

[rain cave]

I just want to know why they put the dark heart in as her method

[deep pawn]

My money is still on Anduin or Alleria dropping the Dark Heart into the Sunwell

Which turns it into a portal to the Void

[tropic trail]

You guys saw she is wearing bandages. So that means her body is maybe falling apart 🤔

[rain cave]

I mean, either they use dark heart to corrupt the sunwell or she goes to the sunwell to suck it up for some other purpose

I get that midnight is the focuse void xpac, but if they play the portal card immediately I wonder how they'll keep the xpac feeling fresh with patches

[deep pawn]

nah, they're 100% gonna do a call back to Sargeras and Kil'jaeden liking to use arcane wells as portals.

[rain cave]

I agree, I just wonder if silvermoon will be our city, or a hostile zone

or do you reckon we'll be fighting accross the water to quel'danas?

[deep pawn]

Given Quel'Danas isn't in the city we could make our opening campaign a foothold in the city

I think if we're getting a 3 patch Midnight I'd make our first raid secure Quel'thalas proper, and deal with the Trolls who made a deal with Xal before TWW.

Second raid is Quel'Danas and secure our side of the Voidwell

Third raid is in the Void proper

[rain cave]

I think maybe not so much tbf

it's also a story with light in it we've been told

and we're getting hints of an ethereal void patch in tww

[tropic trail]

Trolls made deal with Xal’atath? 👀

[deep pawn]

In the Dark Heart patch before this Alleria's scouts saw recent void activity going into Zul Aman.

[rain cave]

it could be a strain to have basically 2 patches with the same placement/aesthetic, since they usually try to keep things fresh

[deep pawn]

I'm not sold on us getting an Ethereal patch in TWW

[rain cave]

since all we know of midnight is basically equivalent to a bit less than what we knew of TWW's premise, we could go to wildly different places

[deep pawn]

All I have to go off is whatever happens to the Sunwell is enough to put the entire world into shadow

and that sounds to me like an open portal to the void

[rain cave]

start in silvermoon, 1st tier raid in queldanas, dungeons for trolls (and some bosses in the raid), then maybe we move somewhere else elven

[deep pawn]

We're finishing the void as a threat for the life of WoW in Midnight

[rain cave]

at some pint azshara will re-enter most likely

I wonder if we can chart a trend with Xal's movements

[deep pawn]

my crackpot theory is Azshara will become the new leader of the void pantheon becoming the first mortal to somehow ascend to godhood

[rain cave]

Arcane -> Dalaran
Void -> Old God Blood
Light -> Sunwell

[tropic trail]

Haha 😂

[deep pawn]

Azshara getting what she wants, ultimate power, agrees to leave reality alone

[rain cave]

I do think she will help us in midnight

there is a piece in her that is altruistic

even if she hesitatess to show it

she's comfy on her pedestal but when pushed to the edge we've seen she'll act good(?)

like even when dealing with nzoth, she made sure to put herself in a position so her people wouldn't be slaves

she tried to save her people before that as well

she left us the knife, and even sought to get out from under nzoth herself

her worst moment was when she was dealing with the legion. But who knows what they promised her ig

and that would have been at her peak ego for sure lmao

[deep pawn]

Azshara wants to be a god

I think she'll get that as basically jailer of the void

[rain cave]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1823811865375285454

new teaser

[deep pawn]

That.... is a new style

[rain cave]

looks to be alleria's short?

also right on cue mentioning trolls, this probably reminds people that those trolls exist in prep for midnight

[deep pawn]

Trolls were a given the moment we were going back to Quel thalas

Though their story is almost identical to the Nerubians lol

[rain cave]

Xal and Alleria's story parallels are very interesting actually

[deep pawn]

Faded Empire seeking past glory

[rain cave]

Alleria has dealt with the trolls before, ages ago. Xal most likely wants to make a deal with them
Alleria sought the void, Xal IS the void
Both elves
Both sucked power out of stuff

and a few other things

their stories are sort of inversed in a 2 sides of the same coin way

even down to Xal being trapped in a weapon with no body, whereas Alleria has been told by Locus that her body IS her weapon

[sullen dawn]

If this is a Warcraft animated TV show I will take back everything I said

[deep pawn]

I think it's just another 2d, just slightly different art style

[sullen dawn]

Let me get over hyped in peace :p

[deep pawn]

likely made at the same time OW2 did it's transformers cinematic haha

[rain cave]

considering we see two elves, one looks like sylvanas in ranger armor. This will probably be alleria's story of giving the responsibility to Sylvanas, as well as her then leaving to go through the portal

will we see young turalyon/khadghar I wonder

baby arator

someone just pitched the idea of xalatath being a prime void naaru

considering "radiant songs" also have some naaru iconography, the big crystal in hallowfall, the mural (which she comes out from), Xalatath (the crystal) appearing to the old god on the mural like a harbinger

as well as that also being an even stronger parallel to alleria, since alleria devoured one, if Xal IS one that would be cool

naaru also have those runes on their head and body like Xal, the rotating orbs we've seen also echo the rotating naaru bits

she even literally says this:
Xal'atath whispers: I know the naaru consider us horrors to be resisted. We do not share this view. They are merely beloved brethren that lost the true path. They will return to their masters... in time.

Elune's naaru adjacent theories also make sense how Xal has a grudge against Elune, and we get rebuked when we trie absorb her power in ToS.

we've seen the old gods be not so aligned with the voids intentions and having their own goals, they fight amongst eachother instead of doing their "directive". Would it be out of the question that perhaps when Xal showed up to the black empire ass the harbinger to usher in their new age, they turned on her so they could own the world themselves? Trapping her in the dagger

[rain cave]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=207802/beledars-spawn#comments

this is interesting, we've not seen beledar referred to as a personafied entity have we?

but here the naming scheme kinda infers that

[deep pawn]

Rip, they're sticking with lfr loot from m0

Way to kill them blizzard

[subtle oar]

Thats a good thing.

[deep pawn]

I disagree. I'd rather go back to weekly lockout with champ loot

Champ loot at least gets into hero ilvls, veteran gear is literally useless with delves existing

[upper pasture]

then spend less time doing delves? ??? profit??

[deep pawn]

I'm just sad cause m0s were awesome in s4

[upper pasture]

honestly i think LFR is going to be so dead now. with story mode and delves as a new gearing route that's solo.

[deep pawn]

Story mode is a single boss

Unless it gives credit for the free heroic crafting token

[upper pasture]

yes but i'm sure there's gonna be a loss of players who will do LFR once or not at all since they can complete the story without doing LFR

and why go through LFR when you can just do a couple of delves AND get better loot

[deep pawn]

At least until there's another leggo

I just think daily lockout veteran loot won't mean much with warbound

[crystal pond]

Bro...
I only right now understood that the crystal in the mural is actually a beledar crystal 💀

And xal getting out of it makes sense since beledar start becoming more and more voidy

Its so long before 26th

[crystal pond]

But still a question
What is beledar and where did it came from?
Or we knew some already from datamining 👀

[uncut vault]

We don't know what it is, but it only started turning to shadow the day Sargeras stabbed the planet

[tropic trail]

Probably it’s some shard from sun ☀️

[vapid plinth]

Thanks

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Xbox/status/1824068608567251340/photo/1

Xbox (@Xbox) on X

Putting the “games” in @gamescom

Here’s what to expect from our livestreams: https://t.co/vgLe3LnZ6D | #Xboxgamescom

Twitter · Aug 15, 2024, 1:00 PM

something about WoW 100%

well, also Diablo and OW 2

[dense plover]

It’s TWW - probably just an animatic or cutscene. Not gonna spoil anything before launch

I hope the Indy game turns out to be fun

I’m more excited about MH Wilds at Gamescom tho - we have to get new monsters

[warm topaz]

could be 11.0.5 too

[rain cave]

could maybe finally show off the haronir lmao

porter just posted a tweet showing the Dracthyr alternate class animatons and they look pretty cool

I get that every playable race needs all the animations even if they aren't going to get that class, but seeing a dracthyr doing the howling blast DK animation is very cool lmao

[hazy kettle]

I'd be surprised if they get to be DKs but Earthen don't

So I think that (animation) is either for a future class roll-out of DKs, simply a test or to be used in different abilities :ö

[deep pawn]

I was looking for Civ 7 on that list before realizing it was Xbox only stuff

[deep pawn]

I'm betting we get Anniversary event details, and possibly a 11.1 announcement

[sullen dawn]

There's supposed to be a 20th anniversary announcement at Gamescom

11.0.5 details are likely

I'm not sure about 11.1 (it's possible but I think the focus will be launch and anniversary)

[upper pasture]

my bet is it's definitely launch related for sure and prolly 20th anniversary info

[sullen dawn]

Yeh and 11.0.5 is the anniversary patch

I don't really think we'll see 11.1 but it's possible if they wanna do the legion thing

[sullen dawn]

There's Gamescom opening night live conference as well, and some other streams

Civ prolly at one of those

[deep pawn]

I think it's the 21st. It's just not an Xbox game

That picture is literally only one company

[sullen dawn]

Yeh I know

I didn't say it wasnt the 21st

Although not everything on that list is published by Xbox

Star Wars Outlaws for example

Some of it is due to marketing deals

[tulip sun]

So when's the testing today

[upper pasture]

1:30 pdt?

in other news i'm excited to see more two point hospital lol

[sullen dawn]

I'm excited for Vessel of Hatred info dump 😄

[upper pasture]

oh yeah, i suppose that goes without saying lol

[deep pawn]

Only reason I think it's more than just anniversary is that they sent both Holly and Ion to Europe for this and other members of the Warcraft team.

[sullen dawn]

It's definitely their standin for blizzcon this year

11.1 is possible, I'm just not holding out hope

Depending on what the anniversary stuff is, that could be big enough by itself

By I'm not saying a legion style Gamescom .1 announcement is off the cards

[deep pawn]

11.1 is either on PTR first week of January or before Christmas break depending on when they plan for it to actually go live.

[sullen dawn]

I'll be at the show anyway

Not gonna much wow time in those couple days

[deep pawn]

nice, but it's literally the post-season week so there'll be nothing to do in WoW anyways

[upper pasture]

didn't they say the season ends on the 26th?

[sullen dawn]

I have early access

So it's the same day early access begins :p

Well I'm arriving two always before (Tuesday) but Thurs is early access and wow day at Gamescom

[deep pawn]

if you're playing at Midnight, sure haha

I might not even be up at 9am my time

[sullen dawn]

What I mean is I'm in Germany Tuesday-sunday

Early access starts on Thursday

I won't get much time to play it until I'm back

That's all I'm saying :p

[deep pawn]

ah

still the slowest content launch of all time so no rush, you'll have plenty of time

[sullen dawn]

Aye. I'll try squeeze a few hours in the mornings at hotel etc..

Just don't wanna miss the show or events/parties

[deep pawn]

it's up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgY1YrAHYBI

[tropic trail]

Wooot 😯

They post a lot of these cinematics recently.

[deep pawn]

people actually are upset cause it's a bit less than they expected

[tropic trail]

What? It’s a lot 😂

[deep pawn]

Not much new in this one but always cool to hear Sylvanas again

[silent urchin]

there is a lot of foreshadowing at the end there

also no vereesa?

[ionic terrace]

veressa is the one she gave arator to, i think?

[deep pawn]

yes

First time in a while I think we've heard her voiced

[tropic trail]

Wait Alleria and Turalyon have child? 😂

[silent urchin]

wait, first episode?

[lone mantle]

Yes.

[upper pasture]

yeah i think wowhead has that wrong

there was zero indication that this is part of a series.

so, were probably getting one more of thrall eh?

[silent urchin]

Yeah, covers everything up to TWW, and nothing saying there's more

Unless wowhead got something more in private from blizz

[deep pawn]

Anime Thrall would go so well at Gamescom haha

[tropic trail]

They should make Khadgar

[rain cave]

this was pretty cool

also absolutely hilarious to me to see the mirrored iconography of burning of teldrassil when she fought alongside sylvanas

like literally even the same horde catapults in the same composition

burning down the forest

[pulsar minnow]

im glad they FINALLY showed why she got the new outfit

also that cinematic went hard as fuck

[rain cave]

or faelin, anduin, moira even?

[warm topaz]

Arathor

[upper pasture]

eh, we had the bad guys cinematic, this is the alliance one so it just makes sense the horde one is next and it would be thrall since he's also one of the "main" characters. anduin gets more story through out the campaign no?

[pulsar minnow]

not entirely sure what story they'd cover with Thrall's cinematic tho

[rain cave]

I spose, though alleria doesn't feel particularly faction aligned in this xpac

in the same way thrall wasn't back in cata

yes they're from a faction

but their position in the story is relevant to both

I think anduin is the faction standin more like

[upper pasture]

weither or not they are faction aligned it still shows and gives people that "hey thats my faction feels"

[rain cave]

anduin and thrall had similar stories and both were in the trailer

[pulsar minnow]

I dont think they should pick the cinematics based on faction ties, but instead just story catch-up and whatever else

[rain cave]

it's more to do with their intent in positioning the characters to me

[pulsar minnow]

Especially seeing as how Thrall is going on a more background role and letting Anduin and Alleria take center stage

[upper pasture]

yes and i'm saying its to draw hype with players and their factions.

[rain cave]

they don't make an effort to literally balance all the stories around being split evenly between faction races for sure

[pulsar minnow]

I mean im horde and this cinematic got me hyped 🤷‍♂️

[rain cave]

this xpac is very alliance race centric lmao

thrall kinda feels tacked on to me so far

[upper pasture]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pulsar minnow]

yeah and that sucks

[upper pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/missthepoint-the-point-gif-7984004

[rain cave]

no i get your point

they put characters in to reflect factions

hence why thrall is here

but in terms of the storytelling, they usually have a cast who are the rep for each faction

[pulsar minnow]

Alleria and Anduin are basically our two main characters for the expansion while Thrall and Jaina are cheering from afar

[rain cave]

like in legion we had graymane and sylvanas doing their stuff on the broken isles
BFA we had jaina and lorthremar in azshara patch
Shadowlands we had baine and thrall to match Jaina and Anduin

[pulsar minnow]

I think it'll shift once we get to the Undermine and we'll see more Gazlowe stuff

[rain cave]

thralls story might be to do with the undermine and gazlowe stuff tbf

[pulsar minnow]

my thoughts basically

[rain cave]

sensing disturbances in the elements from their mining or something

[pulsar minnow]

Also we know the Harronir have a deep connection to not only Elune'ahir but also azeroth and could probably help Thrall with his elemental dysfunction

[rain cave]

but yeah Alleria is the main gal in this xpac like how Illidan was in legion, despite not being completely present for everything

and I think alleria will go into midnight (hope she does)

[pulsar minnow]

I think it's just weird how Alleria being the main character of the expansion she's not in like, yknow, the cinematic trailer

but hey Anduin and Thrall are awesome im not complaining

[upper pasture]

i feel like they are setting her up for midnight and this is anduin's expansion to deal with his trama

[rain cave]

I like the war within cinematic trailer, since it plays more into the themes of this xpac rather than some of the visuals

War Within seems to be about fighting your inner battles before focusing on your existential ones in order to prepare for them

that's its place in the worldsoul saga, as well as the arc a lot of the characters are going through

[deep pawn]

I am still confident one of them fails and kicks off Midnight

I just don't know who breaks, Alleria or Anduin.

Both have massive ties to Sylvanas who WILL be part of Midnight

[rain cave]

Alleria seems very self sacrificing, but I'm thinking Anduin woudl help her in a moment of darkness

she's kind of like a great great aunt in law?

and if he saw Alleria falling to the void, her mind being DOMINATED (hint hint) into doing things she wouldn't normally do. I think he'd definetly know where he stands again

and he'd probably jump in to save her, potentially finding some new things out about himself

[sullen dawn]

Please no

[rain cave]

she will be in some way I think, even if it's like an Alleria funeral lmao

if alleria dies

[deep pawn]

Midnight is about uniting all the Elven tribes.

I think Sylvanas will be the one who pulls whichever of the two falls back from the brink.

[sullen dawn]

I hope we never see her again

[rain cave]

why, she's a good character who was just a victim of a bad expansion

[sullen dawn]

BFA was awesome

SL I agree

[rain cave]

yeah I meant SL

[sullen dawn]

But I think sylvanas has been a bad character since she jumped off icecrown

Before that she was cool

[rain cave]

she needed a new arc after arthas

[sullen dawn]

Id rather she had just killed herself and that was the end

[uncut vault]

two bad expansions, just bad for her in polar opposite ways lol

[sullen dawn]

With that as her final arc

[sullen dawn]

BFA is the best of the last three exoansions we've had imo

[rain cave]

ehh BfA was ok, got better as it went on mechanics wise

[sullen dawn]

BFA>DF>SL

[rain cave]

for the game I think DF has been way better

in the same way that a healthier but smaller meal will be better for you in the long run

[uncut vault]

narratively, BfA has had the most long-term damage to the setting than anything else, because it fundamentally ruined the faction dynamics to the point where neither players nor blizzard want to engage with it anymore

[sullen dawn]

Gameplay wise, but in terms of theme, story, zones etc.. BFA was a lot stronger than DF

[rain cave]

BfA was like a big box of junk food

[uncut vault]

gameplay wise yeah obviously Shadowlands did the bigger hit though lol

[rain cave]

tackled a lot, got some cool moments, but ruined things longer term

[sullen dawn]

The second half of BFA (post nzoth releasing) was poor but the first half of BFA story was the best they've ever done

[uncut vault]

but BfA rushed through three expansion concepts and did none of them justice

[sullen dawn]

Felt like a real war for once

Warmode in early BFA was sooooooo good

[rain cave]

it's funny because the storytelling and mechanics quality are like inverted in BfA as time goes on

corruptions and essences were hilarious and fun

[uncut vault]

Saurfang's story is nonsensically bad when you take a moment to examine its themes between each cinematic, despite their pretty visuals, and the faction conflict from all angles was pretty much wholly sacrificed at the altar of one sad orc man

[rain cave]

but we friendship beamed nzoth

[sullen dawn]

Disagree completely

bfA slapped and suarfangs story slapped

I wish they went back to horde Vs alliance

[uncut vault]

Like people complaing about how happy and emotional Dragonflight is with the unity themes, but the whole reason it's like that is because BfA fundamentally ruined the faction conflict

[sullen dawn]

Should always be a central theme

[sullen dawn]

Yeh DF unity theme does indeed suck

[uncut vault]

and there's no way to go back to that without making the Alliance into something just as horrible in an effort to 'even the scales', which would be just as bad

[deep pawn]

I hate the faction war, too many have died for it and I'm glad we finally learned the lesson Taran Zhu had in MoP

[sullen dawn]

Id be fine with it

Pull a page out of Warhammer 40ks book. Make everyone 'bad'

[rain cave]

I think Saurfangs story could have been better integrated, there was a focus on the younger members of the horde with that troll dude. But it could have been cool to see him explicitly reflect on the past, looking at Nazgrim and how he was expected to do as he did (fight for his warchief, even whilst disagreeing), but finding himself stuck between his honour and his duty

[sullen dawn]

The world is of one of war, fuelled by paranoia, bigotry, and fear

[rain cave]

Saurfang literally is a DK right now, which is another parallel to his sons fate

[sullen dawn]

Miss the faction war 😦

BFA is narratively the strongest expansion ever, with early WoD, and all of MoP being up there too

[uncut vault]

lol

[deep pawn]

There's just not enough people alive to fight another faction war

[sullen dawn]

It's ok to have different opinions port 😦

DF is definitely the worst theme and story they've ever done (yea worse than SL). SL ruined a lot of lore yes, but at least it was grim

Gameplay wise DF was fantastic

[ember blaze]

no ty

[sullen dawn]

Yes ty

[ember blaze]

absolutely pointless

[rain cave]

I think the broad stroke sstory of DF is good

just the moments weren't quite there

[deep pawn]

DF was a fine story, they just never explored anything deep enough

it was shallow as hell

[rain cave]

the best moments we had were with our villains though

[deep pawn]

I'm sorry but a 2 minute cinematic isn't enough to tell the story of thing

[ember blaze]

need the story to take a darker tone

like it seems to be taking with xal

otherwise nothing feels like a threat and just a disney movie

[rain cave]

I mean if the theories about Midnight opening with the sun being blotted out and turned voidy end up being correct that would be a literally dark story lol

[sullen dawn]

Xal doesn't seem quite dark enough. She feels very unthreatening

[ember blaze]

i disagree

[sullen dawn]

I wish we'd gotten a trailer specifically about her

[ember blaze]

where have you been

[rain cave]

what she is, is VERY dangerous to us

[sullen dawn]

I'm not saying she cant be threatening. Id just like to see more about what she's done and where she came from

Were told she's very dangerous, but she doesn't feel dangerous

[rain cave]

the only villain who's won against us and walked away is iridikron

[upper pasture]

and we've got 3 expansions to explore that

[ember blaze]

have you been watching the cinematics?

[sullen dawn]

Iridikron is so lame

[rain cave]

Xal was the reason for that, and she's literally been in our hands before

[sullen dawn]

Yeh the nerubian one was bad

[deep pawn]

that's literally not important to me, eldritch abominations don't need an origin story

[rain cave]

everything up till now has been basically positive for her since she interacted with us

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

[rain cave]

she latched onto the player character, knowing how useful they were in legion

[sullen dawn]

Not when they're cool like nzoth they don't

Alleria one was awesome

Just needed more blood/gore during the fight scenes

Castlevania anime style. Would she benefited a lot

[deep pawn]

that's not what a rated t cinematic is gonna get you, sor r y

[sullen dawn]

I loved the cinematic

[ember blaze]

and gore po** isnt that great either

[sullen dawn]

Just saying what I think would make it perfect

[sullen dawn]

Castlevania benefits from gore a lot. I wouldn't call it gore porn

[ember blaze]

never seen it

[deep pawn]

I just don't think you want Warcraft, lol

[ember blaze]

but i just mean when its very excessive

[sullen dawn]

I do, I want warcraft so much

Just not DF warcraft

[deep pawn]

then you wouldn't be asking for things that Warcraft has never been

[sullen dawn]

I want WoD/BFA/classic warcraft

Warcraft 1 and 2 warcraft

[sullen dawn]

I specifically am talking about the alleria animation

[deep pawn]

Warcraft has always been on the cartoony side of violence, never really bloody

[sullen dawn]

It can be both. Castlevania is cartoony and bloody

[deep pawn]

Like the most horror we've ever gotten was Wrathgate with the plague melting people but even that wasn't bloody.

[sullen dawn]

There was some blood in the cinematic

[ember blaze]

i want more of the azshara and spider cinematic horror in game

[sullen dawn]

Like when alleria dumped the decapitated head on the table

[sullen dawn]

The Azshara cinematic is sooooooo good, with nzoth

Gave me chills

Nerubian one felt like a knock-off of that

[ember blaze]

i disagree but

[sullen dawn]

That's fine

[rain cave]

that was wine

made to look like blood as a fakeout

at least that's what I read it as

[sullen dawn]

Lame

[candid ruin]

[sullen dawn]

These guys did the new alleria cinematic

https://suncreature.com/

[silent urchin]

almost time for launch test

I wonder how much will still be hidden

cause I doubt we get cinematics

huh we do get cinematics

[clear apex]

huh so, some people can get the quest already. I cant see it.
I finished harbinger on my main on retail but it says i havent done it on the ptr.....

er, beta server thing

[silent urchin]

Drendan helped us strengthen the wards protecting dalaran, how nice of him

oh, we got one cinematic but not the big one

[tulip sun]

Ooh nice

[silent urchin]

oooh, another cinematic where it's seemless, it just zooms into your character a bit as you're running and suddenly cinematic

but then we skip the cinematic which they previewed yesterday

and into what we'd already seen on beta

[clear apex]

wow i predicted that in the quest
||archmage drenden||

the dialogue was a little too on the nose

[scarlet ridge]

If everyone on beta could please report the whispering stargazer fish as bugged, it should have a use effect to allow you to get a buff in Azj'kahet to allow you to catch the Awoken Coalcanth for the fishing derby achievement

[livid walrus]

The most important thing on testing atm

[upper pasture]

oh. hmmm....

i wonder if that was her in our dungeon journal

[livid walrus]

this is just easter egg you can fish in dala fountain during the intro questline

[upper pasture]

yes but it's a coin from a void person. which is what we received from the void person who was using our dungeon journal

[livid walrus]

ah. idk about that. this one wasnt related to that other 'coin'

[deep pawn]

The other coin is tied into the Ethereals watching and testing us.

[hazy kettle]

Everything about him was on the nose 👃

[rain cave]

btw did anyone else think Sylvanas sounded a bit strange in the cinematic? Was it just the normal VA doing a younger voice or a new VA?

I was on the fence

[uncut vault]

The direction for her varies from piece to piece, sometimes they have her put on a bit of a proper-sounding accent that makes her word placement a bit odd, like here

[silent urchin]

the audio quality on both sylvanas and alleria felt a bit off to me, tbh

Not really sure exactly why. Possibly just the mixing. Just felt like maybe there wasn't quite as much range as normal, maybe lacking a bit of the bass tones

[dense plover]

i think we arent used to elf sylvanas

99% of the time we have heard her talk she has been undead

none of those filters or anything are there since she isnt in this animation

i think it sounded similar to some of the stuff we have heard in the past

[deep pawn]

Her VA isn't doing Sylv nearly as often either though

Sylvanas was a main character from Cata through SL.

In DF she had one short dialog

[uncut vault]

It’s not that, she can turn on the Sylvanas voice like it’s nothing

She attended a halloween charity event last year and did a bunch of various quotes entirely off the cuff, with the exact voice she uses in the cinematics

No filters or anything, 99% of it is just Patty doing her thing haha

They barely use the filters in the major cinematics nowadays anyways, since they wanted to let her voice acting shine through

[ember blaze]

so when do yall think we're getting the mid patch support spec/class? 🤔

[upper pasture]

I don’t think we will be seeing anything like that for TWW

[deep pawn]

The exact quote was we'd see more things like hero trees vs full support specs

My wildman theory is still a tank shaman

Tank shaman will takeover totemic and then enh and tank will share a new supporty hero tree

[ember blaze]

no it wasnt

he said they have dipped their toes into support stuff in hero trees

[dense plover]

they really do need more support specs tho

[deep pawn]

The answer was a bit meandering, but it definitely sounded like we'd see support from stuff like hero trees before a new spec

[dense plover]

otherwise Augmentation is always going to be either OP or garbage

b/c it has to be one or the other to function as a support spec unless it has something to be balanced against

[upper pasture]

The thing is we are getting support things in hero trees

That’s what he meant

[ember blaze]

No, he said what I said above. Then went on to say "i've learned over time to never say never"

and theyll keep in mind potentially adding more specs or classes

nothing to announce now like they usually say

https://youtu.be/XdLi8NCZ8sA?t=1094

here directly from his mouth

TL;DW: MORE SUPPORT SPECS/CLASSES CONFIRMED

[upper pasture]

That’s not…okay sure

[deep pawn]

That is a massive reach and you know it lol

[ember blaze]

aug was also a massive reach

im gonna bet we see one at least by midnights 😎

[deep pawn]

Yeah, if there was any hints like we had for Aug and a missing spec, we don't have any missing specs at the moment and not even DH was left an opening

My wild man guess of a 4th shaman spec and hero tree feels like a massive longshot predicated entirely on the follower dungeon

[ember blaze]

they just have to bend things a little for DH. With an idea like debuffing and weakening enemies

cause you probably cant do a DH eyebeaming an ally and giving them temporary fel powers 🤔

[deep pawn]

Scythe debuff DH should have been added, yes

Use a buff called Aldrachi Teachings or something so only a few can take advantage

[ember blaze]

tho is there anything in lore that makes sense for fel magic to work as a debuffer

oh wait, it's the same as warlocks right?

weakness, curses etc

that's fel right 🤔

[deep pawn]

Fel drains and saps their targets, yea

[ember blaze]

ok so there is precedent there

[deep pawn]

Fel is using life force to fuel magic

[ember blaze]

oh and they already have magic brand

increasing magic dmg taken...

yeah they could easily do a third spec there

and it wouldnt just be a weapon switch like they say

now im 🤞 for a debuffer and a new buffer(shaman or priest)

[deep pawn]

I'd personally prefer a shaman tank with a support hero tree

Shaman doesn't need a third dps spec

[ember blaze]

you do it because it's a game and it's fun

[ember blaze]

the support aspect is already there in the base class

[deep pawn]

People have demanded a proper shaman tank spec since vanilla and shaman tank is the biggest SoD success.

[ember blaze]

because it's fun or the only good tank

[deep pawn]

Because it's a class fantasy people have wanted forever

[sullen dawn]

Exactly

A earthwarder spec has been up there with Tinker in terms of things people really want

[ember blaze]

if they do a tinker i hope we get a dual wielding pistol spec out of it

[austere gazelle]

Inquisitor DH spec. You can reap stats or buff from a target to spread them to the raid or manage buff and debuff raid wide , that could be something to explore. Imo DH should be the first to have their third spec. The class is in total shamble and disinterest for the moment

[sleek solar]

That sounds like an incredibly bad idea

[upper pasture]

Honestly it just sounds like Aug with warlock ish curses

[ember blaze]

if thats the case, then the class needs work to save it more than just adding a third spec

and maybe replacing the unpopular dev

[upper pasture]

DH is unfun to play? Strange I’m always enjoying myself when I hop on my DH alt

[silent urchin]

There's no such thing as a dev assigned to a specific class. Many members of the team have input on every class. Some may have more interest or involvement in certain classes, but they are not individually responsible for them.

[austere gazelle]

Did I said " unfun " ? its not unfun but pretty close because of the hero spec bloating action and monitoring debuff or passive stuff that are underperforming, you just have to look at the recent parse of warcraft log for the last raids of recent weeks to see that DH players dropped pretty fast

[upper pasture]

I’m sorry, I just assumed that from you saying it’s “in shamble and disinterest”

[uncut vault]

I do think that if they do another support spec, it'll end up being a debuff spec instead of buffs

with how many utility options they pumped into augvoker, debuffs are the only real niche they aren't overwhelmingly utilizing

[austere gazelle]

I mean the class can be good but as of now there is no actual core change , the hero spec are far from " heroic " ( even the graphical effect are absent outside of some green flashes, we just got some icon changes ), everything feels dull and uninspired, with underperfoming dps on top of it , so boredom is settling in

[upper pasture]

But you’re also looking at a time when player participation is usually low and going “look class is bad cause no one is playing”

[austere gazelle]

because they are rerolling

mainly DK

[upper pasture]

You mean people are playing other classes in a season that’s all about easy gearing and redoing old content. consider me shocked

[austere gazelle]

Well, it would mean something if the other classes on top of the chart would move too, but they are not, DH moved to the bottom in the last weeks, the other barely moved

[upper pasture]

We won’t see the real impact of these changes until TWW is live and we get class participation charts

[deep pawn]

DH got less flashy stuff than other melee and their op tank spec got hit hard so those meta chasers have jumped ship

[austere gazelle]

I was strictly talking about DPS, tank got hit hard too

but there were some reason for that though

[deep pawn]

DH still has their magic debuff so there's a good shot havoc ends up meta in m+

[austere gazelle]

Oh my bad, you're actually right @upper pasture it dropped not because there are less players, but because the dps became even more shitty than before

[ember blaze]

ive seen some sentiment saying they dont like how the class plays anymore

[worn crown]

I think DH is at their most interesting since BfA (not talking about DPS). Because in Legion it was cool, but then BfA came and stripped from the class a lot of nice stuff

[austere gazelle]

We got the recycled artifact talent again and again and again, most of the time bugged, without any new kind of new stuff , there was something new and nice with the 10.3 but it stopped mid course and we've been stuck in this spot for now, leaving us with the feeling that they got no inspiration or motivation to do more

[clear apex]

Was bm hunter simplified?
Feels like I'm missing some abilities

Unless they moved them to hero talents

[sleek solar]

Your talents got reset probably

[deep pawn]

They removed some abilities

Chakram is gone for example

[deep pawn]

Officially jealous of Gamescom folks now

[little hound]

Why

[deep pawn]

The vr ride

[sullen dawn]

I'll let you know how it is

My main hype is playing the new diablo expansion tho

[deep pawn]

meh, d4 seems to have massively disappointed and I had 0 expectations for it

[sullen dawn]

It's great

Some issues of course but fantastic game

[deep pawn]

seemed incredibly boring when I tried it in open beta

[ember blaze]

game is way too slow paced starting off imo

[warm topaz]

they have made really great changes and the game is really good rn

[sullen dawn]

That was a long time ago and also the very start of the game

Last two seasons have been great and expansion looks to do even more

[deep pawn]

still not worth what they're charging haha

[sullen dawn]

In your opinion

It's also free on gamepass

Also how do you know it's not worth what they're charging it all you've played is the open beta

You sound like a troll

[livid walrus]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/a-penny-for-xalataths-thoughts-hidden-easter-egg-in-war-within-introduction-345918 took a while for wowhead to put article on it.

[worn crown]

Of course the perceived quality of D4 is an opinion
Everything is, unless we are talking about science 😁

[worn crown]

Just read! Loved it 🤩

[livid walrus]

Yea it just took them to notice m7ch longer than what i post here as well as post on reddit .

[sullen dawn]

I know but he said it likes it's fact, plus his opinion doesn't mean shit since he only played the open beta 18 months ago :p

Science has opinion too. It's called conjecture

[ember blaze]

@deep pawnis that rep buff for the DF zones going away? 🤔

[hazy kettle]

I think so, since it was Season 4 related iirc (Season 3 was Islands, Season 4 is all of DF rep iirc)

[ember blaze]

I had no idea they did this before

looks like i gotta spend some time on wrathion/seballion rep with the boost

since i havent done it

[hazy kettle]

Would be a good call if you want the saddle and mount colour, yus l

To clarify, I can't day eith certainty, it's simply my guess.

[worn crown]

He didn't say it as a fact, he said "Not worth what they're charging", which is obviously an opinion since it is a subjective point of view of a entertainment product, but it triggered you (maybe you are projecting). Otherwise, pretty much every sentence from a person would have to start with "In my opinion" or "I think..." to just highlight the obvious - the person is saying an opinion.

[ember blaze]

alleria is what a dark ranger spec should have been 😔

[deep pawn]

For me at least arpgs just are a hard sell. I only ever played d3 cause Blizzard gave it to me for free

I ultimately bought the expansion at like 66% off

Didn't buy necromancer

[upper pasture]

so, you think D4 sucks because you don't like the type of game. makes sense

[dense plover]

how the hell are the visuals for sunfury mage so much better than the ones for brewmaster?

brewmaster has a fucking particle cloud and thats it

everytime there is something visually cool monk is left in the fucking dust

legion class mounts? monk was the only one using an old af model from mists b/c they didnt make a new tiger model

shadowlands covenant abilities? just particle effects pretty much....

night fae was the only one that was visually impressive and it was mechanically bad

and now hero classes where we get? particle fx!

very frustrating honestly

[upper pasture]

I loved how faeline stomp looked

I wouldn’t complain if we got more tho, I can see where your coming from

[ember blaze]

monk needs a visual update

[deep pawn]

it looked like a pale imitation of even d3 when it came out and I don't think they've added anything to change that for me.

[deep pawn]

visuals were very hit and miss yeah. Mage's Arlo is amazing

[scarlet ridge]

Good morning, could everyone with beta access please submit a bug report for the fish Whispering Stargazer it has been bugged for about 3-4 weeks now in which the on use effect is no longer on the item, the on use effect is what allows the angler to have the chance to catch the Awakened Coalcanth from Azj-Kahet.

This is part of the new Mereldar Fishing Darby in Hallowfall, which to my knowledge, I am the only person who has completed it and has the Kah, Legend of the Deep Mount, if the whispering stargazer doesn't get fixed prior to expansion launch then fishing will be bricked for everyone meaning that you won't be able to get the new mount or complete the fishing darby.

For more information I've attached a screenshot of what the fish should do with it's use effect.

Thank you

[sullen dawn]

Lmao

[sullen dawn]

It's better than D3 in my opinion

[crude sigil]

Haranir camp (Azj-Kahet) ambiant sound is this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDRY0CmcYNU
God ... If you know the story about this sound, it's horrible

[hazy kettle]

Please corroborate on whether I got it right: this is ||the presumably last Kauai 'O'o bird||, meaning ||their mating song will never be answered by another one of their kind|| - it's a similarly sad and melancholic situation to the whale whose cry(?)-frequency is a different amount of decibels than that of the other whales of its species.

[crude sigil]

yeah, ||it's the last of his species||. About whale, I don't know what do you mean / your reference.

[silent urchin]

||https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/52-hertz_whale||

[midnight delta]

Are copy char broken on beta?

I saw my characters for few seconds then the list went again

The same old copy char issue :/

[uncut vault]

Sunfury blows basically all of them out of the water

Consistent minor visual, flashy major visual, mechanical change to a utility spell

Meanwhile, some other specs…

[dense plover]

Equivalently bad to master of harmony’s annoying fucking particle cloud

[sullen dawn]

Rogue got done dirty though

[deep pawn]

I actually like coin flipping

[dense plover]

The talents aren’t great, but the visuals are not the problem

It’s the opposite of brewmaster- master of harmony is strong and fun to play but the visuals are shit

[quartz lintel]

https://www.wowhead.com/fr/item=179391/remornia?bonus=0

Mmm, interesting.

"added in 11.0" potential tading post item ?

[dense plover]

doesnt appear to be

trading post items usually have some info associated with them

https://www.wowhead.com/item=208962/seetheras-broadsword-of-the-sunderer example

notice how this is flagged as cosmetic, binds to warband, has a use condition, and a source?

your sword even says

[quartz lintel]

Weird

[dense plover]

its more likely to be like - a radiant echo thing or something tied to a quest

maybe tied to one of the plays in isle of dorn?

could be we re-enact some of the SLs raids

[quartz lintel]

I dont understand the goal of Blizzard to adding item and do not implemented it on the live version

[dense plover]

if it ends up as a trading post item, itll get updated first

[dense plover]

prep for future patches

art team is usually WAY ahead of everyone else because they need busy work

[quartz lintel]

There is a lot of item from BFA, Legion and CATA wich cannot being unobtenable

[dense plover]

cant give everything a source of you end up with a bunch of junk

theyll add weapon arsenals for the trading post for those appearances eventually

or theyll use them for the next remix event in 2 years

[quartz lintel]

this sword for exemple, was dropped by a rare removed during BFA beta

[dense plover]

whats it called?

[quartz lintel]

or theses boots without any information

[quartz lintel]

give me a sec to find it on wowhead

[dense plover]

that probably means theyre a grey drop

items with no info but in the transmog guide are a grey drop typically

some grey drops are very rare and since wowhead gets its data from players using their addon, that limits the info even more

[quartz lintel]

you can drop it as reward for a quest in the mop introduction, but nothing

https://www.wowhead.com/item=155074/toll-enforcer

There are also a lot of weapons on the theme of Maldraxxus or the Kyrians that we cannot have in game

[harsh mason]

Plsplsplsplspls

[quartz lintel]

Soon frostmourne

[harsh mason]

Swordaifu

[harsh mason]

Dude

[quartz lintel]

I would really like them to add the SOD t0 and t1 variants to retail as well as the Broxigar weapon. There is also the "Twilight hammer" transmog from Cata Classic

[harsh mason]

It was already in the legion

[quartz lintel]

You mean the twins blade of the Fallen Prince ? Hmm

[dense plover]

this is actually a great example of something to report on the bug report forum

blizz is honestly probably just unaware that there is no source for the weapon

a simple "No source for this transmog" post with a link to the item, an explanation of how it dropped from a rare that was removed before launch

might see it get fixed eventually

[quartz lintel]

If there was only this kind of bug not retained by blizzard
like since the beginning of BFA the voidform is completely bugged visually when you use a glyphs, putting you in the test version of the beta

The Shadowfiend, even when removing the effect of a gylph, will forever retain the Sha appearance

Warlocks have the post-cast pose of mages, Armor bugs on orcs also which were not adapted to the new size and width of their heads during the HD overhaul

It took almost ten years for the WoD promotional mount bug to finally be fixed.

Visual bugs and game performance issues with each expansion which also causes brightness effects to bug

(it wasn't like that before the update)

[hazy kettle]

I'm seeing faces, fellas.

This isn't new mind you (at least I don't think so), it's in the Telogrus Rift in its skybox.

[lone mantle]

What is it that you see?

[sullen dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/jhope-arson-jhope-arson-fire-bora-fire-gif-26207734

[cosmic beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[hazy kettle]

Crack, beautiful cra- CRACKS I mean crackS!

Also, THE VOIIIIIIIIID (but mainly some titan's face 👀 )

[clear apex]

How did the explorers league know about khaz algar if magni hasnt woken up yet to tell us about it?!

he doesnt tell us until he wakes up in the prepatch event (the one we tested the other day)

[uncut vault]

Mostly just a phasing bug, they aren't supposed to be there until the intro event when we check up on them

[clear apex]

Ah ok, I figured that might be the issue. Seems like a weird one. I havent even done the silithus thing on this toon and theyre in Dal already

[tropic trail]

Go to Dalaran in the night or anywhere where is clear sky 🌌 and you will see Algalon figure from the sky observing.

[lone mantle]

In a cosmic perspective, most mortal concerns seem insignificant, even petty.

[acoustic kraken]

few faces i see almost immediate

[glass flicker]

It's only human nature to see faces where there aren't any. The brain is an interesting thing. Although, some funky space dust being the essence of a Void Lord could be cool. I mean, you can see planets with giant tentacles all over them, and somehow that hasn't affected their rotation at all.

It's not that big of a stretch.

[hazy kettle]

What am I supposed to take from this, Algalon?! 😠 How is this supposed to cheer me-!

Oh. Oh I get it, it's not. Because we are insignificant in the eyes of a creature to whom our time on this planet is nothing but a blink of an eye.

... well, you smell like onions! :c

(I love your humour and frog usage, @lone mantle, always brings a smile to my face. )

[warm topaz]

i can't believe that TWW is in 3 days

that's crazy

[lone mantle]

Know this, that you are not without significance, mortal. Even in the vast expanse of the cosmos, your presence is observed.

[hazy kettle]

Well, actually it's in-
Huh. Good point.

[hazy kettle]

Pop Algalon always know what to say to make us mortals feel significant!

[warm topaz]

@lone mantle share your wisdom with us Algalon, what is the best way to enjoy the start of an expansion?

[acoustic kraken]

mb we are the most signficant thing from the cosmic perspective since without us to observe and contemplate it, its unthinking and without perspective

[hazy kettle]

Deep... and not entirely wrong, since Algalon was made to contemplate his decisions after he got clapped some sense into by us.

[sullen dawn]

Humans are universal transducers, provided we have the right knowledge and energy, we can turn anything into anything else

[acoustic kraken]

and yet the knowledge of how to turn this useless lead into gold elludes me

[sullen dawn]

And yet knowledge is the only thing stopping you

[acoustic kraken]

feels

[hazy kettle]

He said the thing!

[acoustic kraken]

visibly embarrased idk what the thing is

[hazy kettle]

Tobi gave a lovely explanation about the vast possibilities of change humans can create, turning one thing into another...

And you referenced the fact we still can't turn lead into gold, which is one of the biggest reasons people pursued Alchemy!

Or, simple: "Humans can change anything into anything else, that is how powerful the human condition is."

"SO WHY CAN'T I TURN LEAD INTO GOLD THEN?! "
That's what made me giggle

[acoustic kraken]

was a joke cuz i thought they were kinda sounding alchemical with that. but it is kinda proving to be true that we are figuring out how to turn stuff into almost anything. i forget the weird starter things but theirs cool youtubes about making like aspirin and other drugs but synthesized from like paper plates and stuff its amazing

oh looking at history mb it was turning aspirin into tylenol

it really is just knowledge. cuz stars make gold

[sullen dawn]

Wrong toby :p but thank you

[sullen dawn]

It's all comprised of atoms (and sub atomic particles) so yeh we just need the right knowledge to convert

Medieval alchemists were on to something :p

[acoustic kraken]

maybe hippies too if string theory is correct. change the vibe and change everything

[sullen dawn]

Yep

There is interesting thought being done in the overlap between string theory and many worlds theory atm

That the thing making the strings vibrate is resonance with infinite instances of those strings across the multiverse

[acoustic kraken]

interesting thought that theyre in harmonics with themself

[sullen dawn]

Yep

It's a soothing thought for some reason haha

[dense plover]

I mean, theoretically you can convert anything with enough energy, the problem is always going to be the amount of energy - it’s nuclear fission and it’s energy expensive

[deep pawn]

Gamescom week, woo

[deep pawn]

@dense plover We got another Wowcast coming this week, neat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvY166dUD7M

[hazy kettle]

Ahhh, tomato and toma~hto, same thing... (joking, sorry for the mistake!)
I will get called StorySlug for this, I already know it

[deep pawn]

Nerubians built their city on top of ruins of old cities, that sounds very Drow.

Is this the first time we've been told Xal'atath is collecting Worldsoul Memories?

[hazy kettle]

I believe so - she gathered Galakrond's essence, yes, but Alleria also mentions "what if they collect energy and turn it into shadow" or void, during the Harbinger quest

To specify - the "what if-" doesn't necessarily mean collected by the dark heart, I just feel like there's a correlation here

[deep pawn]

I guess the memories have to have some energy given we fight them

Is Xal wanting to edit them to make Azeroth join her willingly?

[hazy kettle]

There's a crap ton of possible answers and, since I haven't played Beta and don't know the deeper context, it would also add further context to why Azeroth is angry with us at max level (when the radiant song stuff continues)

I think it was you who mentioned it's continuing, iirc part of the explanation was "they are hostile because we attacked the memories rather than release them"

(Could be me hypothesising outta my ass tho, I'm looking forward to the campaign)

[deep pawn]

I just don't think I had heard anywhere before this wowcast that Xal had set someone to collecting memories.

I guess we do end up foiling that plan cause we can kill him.

[hazy kettle]

I haven't heard it like that before either

What I stated earlier is what Alleria hypothesised during the short Dragonblight portion

Abt the Riftwalker who went to Northrend, who's cheeks we clap in front of Ulduar afterwards

ALSO, massive YEHEHEHEEEES to them bringing back the void-raged Krokul from Legion, those things are so deliciously horrifying!

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1825623871531233391

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

Launch ready check.

Twitter · Aug 19, 2024, 8:00 PM

we haven't seen where Xal said those lines right?

i mean, is probably a cinematic we haven't seen yet

[tropic trail]

Why she say “your world is dying” when in dragonflight cinematic it’s clearly said that it got healed

[hazy kettle]

👀 When / who said the world healed?

Alexstrasza isn't exactly Magni, let alone a Speaker for Azeroth - she's the Lifebinder, not the Worldsoulbinder.

[warm topaz]

if you mean expansion cinematic Alexs says "the world is healing"

[tropic trail]

Yea she said world is healing but her fate is yet uncertain. It was in the dragonflight announce trailer cinematic.

[deep pawn]

I just had my craziest 20th anniversary fantasy. To honor the original Horde vs Alliance dichotomy it'd feature Paladin and Shaman for all races and introduces a 4th spec to both

Shaman get Earthwarden tanks, Paladins get Inquisitors, hybrid ranged supports that denounce enemies.

[sullen dawn]

That would be cool ngl

[deep pawn]

I just feel like something shaman and paladiny is getting cooked up

We have the very obvious Void Elf Paladin in 10.2.7

and the shaman tank in The Rookery

[upper pasture]

Idk, then they would have to introduce another new hero talent tree and rework all of those to fit then 4 specs for each class

Maybe it’s in the works but probably not until much later

[deep pawn]

My crackpot theory is that is why Prot Lightsmith and Enhance totemic are so bland

they're literally placeholders. 😄

[ember blaze]

we do?

[deep pawn]

yeah

She's in Telorgus Rift

She calls herself like an Eclipse Knight

casts Consecration

[upper pasture]

Honestly I would be surprised to see void paladins during midnight but anything before just seems a little bit too early

[deep pawn]

It could be a Midnight feature I guess with all the Elves joining together to fight the void

[upper pasture]

And you know midnight and eclipses being very thematic for the expansion

[deep pawn]

I'd hate to wait that long for Paladins for all races

[ember blaze]

is it that hard to give someone a horse

they made like a bajillion horses in BFA, plenty to choose from

[deep pawn]

I guess?

I swear if the fact some races have mechanical mounts keeps them from being paladins cause of divine steed.

[sullen dawn]

I still want my mechagnome paladin

With herald of the sun can do pew pew lazer beams

[little hound]

They don’t have enough USB slots for more classes

[rose escarp]

Damn it, that would seriously make me consider going back to my pally, after having been a shaman since BC 😐

[deep pawn]

It would be cool, but it's a pipe dream speculation

[pulsar minnow]

Resolution of the Sword in Silithus and Illidan's return confirmed by metzen for 13.0

kind of obvious but cool to have confirmation

[keen kettle]

PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP ME FIGURE OUT HOW TO GEAR UP FOR M+ IN BETA

I DONT UNDERSTAND

PLZ DM ME

I'M DESPERATE

:CCCC

[deep pawn]

Sargeras gonna pick it up

[deep pawn]

Your ilvl is scaled, you can buy tier and trinkets if you want

[round quiver]

Beta servers down?

[silent urchin]

"Warcraft direct" in the coming months, so probably not any big announcements at gamescom

[sullen dawn]

Yep

Lots of D4 info tomorrow though 😄

[pulsar minnow]

nah

azeroth will

itll be sick

[warm topaz]

Ion and Holly are there iirc

so hoping for a new trailer or something, maybe 0.5 or something

i feel like "Warcraft direct" sounds bigger than just a WoW stream with all the news

[deep pawn]

Well the next patch will be on ptr before rwf ends maybe

11.0.5 is out in 8 weeks or so

Did they say when the Warcraft direct is?

[warm topaz]

"in the coming months"