beta-ptr-spoilers

[deep pawn]

you can't swap cantrip weapons

You can blame Bear druids in SL using the Jailer mace.

[deep pawn]

So beta and ptr have diverged. Prepatch is gonna suck

[dense plover]

they always diverge

thats normal

they take the class stuff and move it over

[candid ruin]

whats diff from prepatch and beta? prepatch is everything -new zones?

[deep pawn]

and no hero talents, it's gonna have all base talent tree updates

[candid ruin]

hmm, I guess that makes sense, since you need to be level 71 to get a hero talent point

[uncut vault]

Earthen player voice lines got added

...and I still cant tell what accent theyre trying to go for with them lol

half the male earthen lines are british, half of them are american

[plain violet]

https://tenor.com/view/ralph-wiggum-learnding-learning-simpsons-gif-9251847

I'll listen to the voicelines in french. 😁

[tropic trail]

Should be similar to Dwarves, I think. 🤔

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/diggy-diggy-hole-digging-hole-brothers-of-the-mine-rejoice-dwarf-the-hobbit-dwarf-gif-4112040493305378481

https://youtu.be/EY7_icuqVMw?si=GfZJl129hcapqEEL

Ah! Would you look at what Wowhead posted.

Y'all were just talking about voices.

https://youtu.be/6KLtGahMzXA?si=R_VWoWdWriObo_qN

[rain cave]

I miss the Scottish accent

Lmao

I'd be curious to know why they made the earthen not have it

Probably so they can get more serious performance? Without getting people to do fake accents

[tropic trail]

Man they sound like nerds

Hahaha 😆

[glass flicker]

I want Hemet Nesingwary to go "AY YA BLEEDIN' MUPPET" with an Earthen just going "Pardon me, you fleshy fool?"

[lone mantle]

Your beauty rocks me to my core

[plain violet]

Oh that's true that's strange. :o

[deep pawn]

That subtle gravel sound is interesting

Makes sense but is unsettling

Taking gravelly a bit too literally

[plain violet]

Indeed!

[tropic trail]

Yeah something Stoney is about that talk 😅

[glass flicker]

I wonder if Earthen gurgle sand when they brush their teeth.

Sandpaper toothbrushes.

Do Earthen even need to eat?

I'm asking the real questions, here!

[plain violet]

I know they can eat gems. 😁

But not "normal food"!

[glass flicker]

"Mmm, this purple gem is ame-tasty!"

Amethyst? Puns, quips, jokes? Just me?

[plain violet]

🥁

[scarlet ridge]

Anyone else having problems with the client hooking to a 2nd monitor? even the drop down to select a monitor doesn't shift it back to my main display, was fine yesterday pre-new build

[tropic trail]

help, I did the capagins for asll the new zones but for some reason after the update today, it's saying I have a section to do at Azj Kahet, but I already did that whole area and should be on the war within portion now

any way to fix this?

[dense plover]

Settings are broken this build

Nothing you can do until they fix it next week - this is the kind of stuff that happens during a beta

[hard pagoda]

Into the Machine quest crashed my game now after completing dungeon 😄

but it seems to be fixed now

[hard pagoda]

my War Within experience in the beta so far as lvl 74:

• Major bug with Main quest Into the Machine that was working 2-3 weeks ago, but somehow got bugged.. this week it got fixed, but the game crashed after the cinematic
• It still keeps crashing for example getting to Grand Yak mount (maybe just beta issue), this doesn't happen in Retail
• New main quest popped up after like 5 minutes of completing previous one (Into the Machine series and getting into Hallowfall) and I got quest mark to new zone already, but couldn't find NPC
• Dragonriding bugs out sometimes and makes it into normal flying mode (happened 3x times so far after for example giving quest), doesn't happen in Retail
• the Beta had "stuck" bug if you used Hearthstone to major cities, you couldnt move and relogging fixed that

[dense plover]

ive never had the normal flying thing happen

are you using the same mount each time?

try using a different mount and see if it still happens - might be that mount specifically and then you can report that mount

[hard pagoda]

its the one that had the blue skin from dragon racing or somewhat :S its my favourite dragonflight mount

the small dragon

could be also due to beta server lag issues?

didnt have such issues in Shadowlands though that I tested

[scarlet ridge]

I fixed it 🙂

[jade basalt]

Can anyone ( @dense plover ?) check if the earthen npcs are still around Ironforge?

Or have they disappeared like they have in the other cities

[deep pawn]

Hearing that Blizzard is making m+ even harder on beta isn't making me feel good about that pillar of the expansion.

2-4s should be an absolute cake walk in lfr gear

[dense plover]

no they shouldnt

thats the point of changing M0 to be equivalent to an old M10

go run a heroic

[deep pawn]

I'm sorry, but a +4 drops champ 2 loot. That should absolutely be a challenge but not 30 deaths hard if you're in gear 13 ilvls below it.

M0 drops champ 1 and has a daily lockout

[dense plover]

pretty sure it isnt that hard

[dense plover]

also i thought M0 didnt have a lockout anymore

isnt that part of the changes?

[deep pawn]

Loot is daily lockout

Which still feels like a mistake

[deep pawn]

Mdi caliber players are having 30+ death runs in +10s while scaled to hero 2 ilvl. It's not tuned I feel to the rewards you get.

Content should be doable and tuned around wearing less than what it drops.

[dense plover]

a +10 is an old +20

ofc theyre dying then

theyre trying to play it like its a +10 when it isnt

[deep pawn]

Yes, but a +10 drops hero 2 loot.

[dense plover]

yes and the vault drops higher

[deep pawn]

They are absolutely playing it like they do old 20s

[dense plover]

thats how this has always worked

[deep pawn]

No it hasn't.

It's for whatever reason how they decide to do things in season 1, participation plummets so each season after is tuned easier and then they get a bug in their butt every beta and repeat the same mistakes.

[glass flicker]

Is this about delves? :o

[deep pawn]

The goal should not be a repeat of DF season 1

No, m+

[glass flicker]

Ouh.

[deep pawn]

Delves seem like a cake walk for tanks though

Why should I suffer in +4-6s when I can just do a +8 delve for the same rewards as a tank.

[glass flicker]

It'll be the content I'll be the most interested in doing, mythic+ is already old and tired for me. I think they should just have a single dungeon on a weekly rotation that gives extra rewards and be sort of a challenge mode instead.

Like, maybe this week it could be Ruby Life Pools, next week it's Al'gethar. And have some sort of item select feature so you can target specific items, and double their drop chance.

But instead of making this gear compete with raid gear, it stops being good as you approach heroic raid ilvl.

Not every form of content needs to be a pillar of endgame, in my opinion.

This is why I would have liked more island expeditions-like systems. Have an instance where random events happen and challenge the player to adapt rather than do the same thing over and over for higher numbers.

[opaque pewter]

Regarding M+, the move to make M0 like old 10 is probalby best. People that were used to doindg that kind of difficulty likely were not interested in running it, so M0 or heroic scaled up to the planned point makes people play what they like more

[deep pawn]

I do agree with all that, I just think difficulty is too high vs the rewards.

[deep pawn]

Haha, got my first YouTube ad for TWW. Oddly enough it was from the Xbox channel

[hard pagoda]

https://i.gyazo.com/a02c920f7de037fb08b26450981519e9.mp4

[gloomy tangle]

There are a few around the center part near the forge/blacksmithing area.

[deep pawn]

credits!

14 combat desingers and 2 leads

same size as Dragonflight, okay

[warm topaz]

thoughts on that?

[deep pawn]

I was scared it was smaller, but I have concerns about how they paced design.

[warm topaz]

what is the size of the team on TWW compare to DF?

[deep pawn]

overall or combat design?

[warm topaz]

overall yeah

[deep pawn]

I can't count that lol.

[warm topaz]

hahahaha

i'm sure someone will

Bellular had a video about that back in DF Beta

[silent urchin]

afaik overall team should be bigger but it's hard to tell because credits are by person and not man hours

there's a lot of support staff at blizz that get credited on every game, various third parties as well, etc

[deep pawn]

what did they change about raid testing?

[warm topaz]

the order

[warm topaz]

the Art Director for TWW was in Proletariat

what's the diference between Senior Art Director and Art Director?

[deep pawn]

senior generally means higher.

[upper pasture]

Senior usually means you’ve been in the role awhile. It’s a way companies “promote” you without really promoting you.

But not necessarily a bad thing just tends to me you’re more experienced in whatever field you’re working in

[nova quiver]

We got it boys!

[little hound]

Pretty sure this was confirmed..very long ago?

That both DF and War Within Rep would be acc-wide.

[nova quiver]

1 Hour ago, on the Youtube community tab, for me

[little hound]

Pretty sure they stated in one of the earlier interviews that it would be acc-wide, but yeah. Its nice to have it confirmed to work

[subtle oar]

^

It was annoucned at blizzcon

[livid walrus]

+1000 gold from [Overflowing Severed Threads Trove]

[dense plover]

yeah youre like - SUPER LATE

this was literally part of the announced feature slate when they announced the expac

[deep pawn]

Blizzard has been tweeting, tiktoking, youtube updating various things like that for weeks now

it's just advertisement to people who don't follow beta closely

[warm topaz]

the vast majority of poeple who play WoW i think

[silent urchin]

We’ve activated Season 1 of Delves on our Alleria and Khadgar realms.

[deep pawn]

That was this morning right?

MrGM tested up to +9

[silent urchin]

v0v blue post just went out

you could do the higher tiers on the eleven realm anyway

but gear acquisition made it.. weird

[dense plover]

are realms down on beta?

[silent urchin]

seems to be, yeah

[deep pawn]

He was testing on the levelling realms cause he flew to them

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1811536654135431626

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

The War Within Pre-Expansion update arrives July 23, with Warbands, class changes, and more!

Twitter · Jul 11, 2024, 11:02 PM

what a weird hour to anounce that

[deep pawn]

pretend to be shocked about the date lol

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/MrGMYT/status/1811539622675251223

MrGM (@MrGMYT) on X

What a random time for a major WoW announcement

Twitter · Jul 11, 2024, 11:14 PM

yeah

[silent urchin]

the big ones do often come a bit later in the day than the typical 10am PST

but yeah.. this is rather late

[warm topaz]

the big ones come at 18 in Spain

always

maybe 19

i just remember the Plunderstorm day hahahhaah

[tepid fiber]

I mean right now is around or just after the majority of the US workday

[dense plover]

had no idea that the M+ rating and pvp rating would also show on the warband tooltip - thats neat https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/Y6369GS6WO1Q1713370376260.png

The UI and functionality of the character-level bank will be adjusted in the future, and tabs like the Warband bank will also be adjusted. Bags will no longer be needed in the character bank when this change occurs. This change won't alter the number of slots currently available in your bank but will shift them from bags to tabs. This is new too

that will be nice

i hope that eventually theyll expand it though

looks like theyre changing the currency transfer icon for warbound currencies instead of it being a campfire

wait now im confused

they use both?

whats the difference? like, currency you can transfer in vs currency out?

why not same icon different arrows.....

[deep pawn]

hmm

they're removing the ability to move chars between bnet accounts

[livid walrus]

are there tricks to fix DC loop on beta?

[elder seal]

Hmm anyone knows the reason why follower dungs are still locked on beta?

[deep pawn]

Which realm

[livid walrus]

new flight path points has this beam ,

[livid walrus]

if you want to see funny stuff , when you do the [A Poor Reception] quest , set your self to be in the past phase .. and you will see funny stuff

[candid ruin]

what is the "i" for ??

[silent urchin]

this week in wow

[candid ruin]

ooooooo ty

[silent urchin]

huh was a PTR patch earlier but I assume it was a hotfix rollup so nothing new

or maybe it was just regular hotfixes cause there isn't a new build number

v0v

[lone mantle]

[scarlet ridge]

reminds me of

[scarlet ridge]

Where is he on the beta? want to try something

[lone mantle]

He is located on the Isle of Dorn.

[warm topaz]

who is him?

[lone mantle]

Master Kolgaran is a Pandaren yoga instructor.

[tropic trail]

This expansion gonna be great I can feel it 😌

[scarlet ridge]

thanks, will report back

[sullen dawn]

Just waiting on that soundtrack to drop and slap us all into mega hype mode

[warm topaz]

so true

probably first week of August sadly

[sullen dawn]

I was hoping week after this coming week (starting 22nd)

But you're probably right 😦

[warm topaz]

so, looking at DF, soundtrack was release November 5th

[sullen dawn]

Listening to the soundtrack for the first time is my favourite part of the pre expansion cycle

[warm topaz]

maybe this time is diferent, who knows

[warm topaz]

i think it is what excite me the most about a new patch/expansion

[sullen dawn]

They really go all out with their music

I have a feeling TWW is gonna be the best since BFA music wise

The motifs in the main theme were very exciting

[tropic trail]

Yeah, kinda curious as well 🎶

Hopefully it’s good.

[magic elm]

hi guys any idea where to find raid grups for new raid ?

[deep pawn]

I wish I could enjoy WoW music as much as ff14

WoW music goes too subtle outside a few moments

[plain violet]

i like FF14 boss music but for zones, I prefer these of WoW.

[deep pawn]

The only WoW ambiance music I've really liked was the one around Lion's Rest

[warm topaz]

the music of WoW personally transports me, I have been playing this game for so long that I associate each piece with a memory or a moment, it also relaxes me, I usually study with video game music hahaha

[plain violet]

Eversong Woods is soooo relaxing. 😁

Draenei starting zone, too.. Bastion...

[warm topaz]

i found one recently, the exiles reach one

that is amazing

[cosmic beacon]

bastion

[warm topaz]

so well done

[cosmic beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[warm topaz]

that one is one of my biggest fear for Midnight

Eversoong Woods soundtrack is so unique that is so easy to ruin it

[tropic trail]

I liked Oribos music 🎶

[plain violet]

100%, so Im very careful with that. I hope it will be kept as simple and melancholic, not too loud... and the zone itself.

[plain violet]

True true!

[plain violet]

Oribos is beautiful!

i like the 9.0 sky.

[cosmic beacon]

i think oribos couldve been alot cooler if it wasnt completely identical the entire way around the city

and we got to see more of the outside

like dope asf skybox but u cant see it without going outside the city where there is no reason to be there but a view outside of the city portals

[warm topaz]

im not a fan of any of the Shadowlands zones

probably bc i see them too much on Alpha/Beta

[tropic trail]

Reminded me a bit of Kaleidoscope of Mathematics by James Horner 😂

[opaque pewter]

The last DF patch music was pretty great. This reminded me that I never really sat down and listened to the soundtrack alone until now. Unfortunately, aside from patch 0, they don't put the later patch ones in listenable format

[sullen dawn]

Wowhead usually post the soundtracks to YouTube for all patches

[opaque pewter]

Ah, yeah that's how I eventually listened to them. I just wish they were edited to go though each variants individually instead of grouped like it is right now, or have an official arrangement

[deep pawn]

I really hope we get a roadmap at Gamescom

We should have 11.0.5 and 11.0.7 before the end of the year no?

[sullen dawn]

11.0.5 yes as that's 20th anniversary patch

[thin warren]

if they keep the 2 months cycle, yeah, but i would guess .7 might come early january

[sullen dawn]

11.0.7 could be January after the holidays

[thin warren]

it's close

indeed

[sullen dawn]

Gamescom should talk about 11.0.5 and some of the stuff they have planned for anniversary

[deep pawn]

Season 2 should be late February or Early March

[sullen dawn]

I think the roadmap will be given to us in December

It was last time

[sullen dawn]

Prolly early march yeh. Undermine baby!

[deep pawn]

fun fact, if there'll only be 3 seasons in TWW we'll know on the roadmap cause Alpha will be on it

[sullen dawn]

S1 - early September.

11.0.5 - early November with anniversary stuff.

2025 Roadmap - Mid-late December

11.0.7 - Early Jan

11.1 (Undermine) - March

That's my guess

[green moth]

Was there a fix for the DC on every /reload?

[gloomy tangle]

Not yet as far as I can tell.

[dense plover]

I think .07 will be before Jan

Since it won’t have content that needs grinding

I also suspect major patch will be February - that’s 6 months

[sullen dawn]

5 months

It would be from S1 start not expansion launch

[sullen dawn]

Very possible but I mean towards after new year

[dense plover]

September, October, November, December, January, February

Last week of February at the latest

People will burn through content over winter

[sullen dawn]

That's not how months are counted lmao

February is 5 months after september

Also I said early march. It's kind of pedantic saying last week in February since that's within margin of error

[dense plover]

I’m saying last week Feb at the latest

I think it’ll be earlier

[zealous sedge]

Anyone know if we are getting another dragon riding cup soon? I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed it back. I remember reading there was something in a PTR from months ago that placed Pandaria Cup in July.

[warm topaz]

probably for 0.5 or 0.7?

nothing announced yet

[tropic trail]

Do you need to have new expansion purchased for that pre expansion prepach that will be soon? 🤔

[warm topaz]

iirc no, you don't need to have the expansion

[silent urchin]

never had any achievements added for more dragonriding cups and they got removed from the calendar other than the ones that are already out and will repeat

[waxen vault]

what's the point of recent 11.0 ptr? unable to find how to levelup my char to 70

[deep pawn]

Nah, s1 went off expansion launch if I recall. S1 was short

[sullen dawn]

No

[subtle oar]

It's for Blizzard to test warband features

[warm topaz]

build today? servers up?

[silent urchin]

servers are offline, no build yet

[dense plover]

Not too late for a build

Still got a few hours

It’s getting close though

[deep pawn]

It's crunch time so devs are regularly staying past 5pm

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/servers-are-down-build-tuesday/1894006/55

[deep pawn]

Oh no, what of the streamers!

[pulsar minnow]

music is too good it crashed the servers

I pray

[candid ruin]

what of me, watcher of streamers 😭

[wicked cave]

So... what time is midday pacific?

[warm topaz]

around 21/22 CET

[wicked cave]

And here i thought it was 12 or something along those lines 💀

[dense plover]

Typically it’s about 2pm PST unless they push the build before lunch

[silent urchin]

Interesting retcons in chronicles 4. A lot of it sounds like reasonable clarifications but those bfa changes are a bit weird

[silent urchin]

tank changes seem interesting

I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of complaints

but if encounters are tuned to match it sounds good

[dense plover]

Those brew changes worry me for world pve and delves

Delve tuning finally felt good and now they’re gonna feel too hard again

[warm topaz]

wow new beta build already

[sullen ravine]

does anyone know why the servers are down?

[warm topaz]

im so worry for devs man

expansion is coming out in 5 weeks

fuck deadlines

[dense plover]

Build was probably mostly finished yesterday

It’s not that earlier in LA

World map is in apparently

No new music yet

But more music prep

[warm topaz]

what that means

[dense plover]

They’re listing file names for zones so when the music is added, it’ll know where to be played

[warm topaz]

oh i see

you meant preparation hahaha, im dumb

[dense plover]

Can’t get in game but here’s the world map

There’s actually two versions of the world map

Can someone check these in game and see when you see which?

The second one might be some kind of underground version though the visible continent being the same is odd

[silent urchin]

that would be my guess but also confusing

maybe it shows up when you're underground so if you click it you go back to that version of the map?

[dense plover]

Yeah might be - I can’t check in game

[silent urchin]

Me either, no servers yet :(

[dense plover]

Ah ok

I can’t because I have no computer access until next week - on vacation

[thin warren]

how do you survive without computeraccess

D:

[dense plover]

More details on neighboring zones on the map now

[silent urchin]

Not bad, makes the paths between them very clear

[dense plover]

They also added the rivers and some texture with the walls

[thin warren]

i love the maps

but it seems there is nothing in the middle, like it misses some POI

[dense plover]

This is the art file, not the in game one with the capital and town icons

If they put art in the middle the icons would cover it

First look at Zekvir!

He looks kinda wild

[thin warren]

ah, but i would expect something to visualise more stuff, but you might be right

who's Zekvir? 😮

[dense plover]

End delve big bad for S1

Part of the seasonal story and the “mage tower” style boss

[thin warren]

ohyeah, remember it sometime

[hazy kettle]

Okay, what the actual hell is THAT #latest-news

Ah, Zekvir, nevermind then. MAN he looks evil.

[dense plover]

^excited for this - delve bonus week!

[sullen ravine]

when are these servers coming back on damn

[candid ruin]

5min

[silent urchin]

About two hours if their midday holds out

[tropic trail]

😳

Potential path, I mean if not Titan then what?

[thin warren]

dark titan?

[tropic trail]

Or some old god scum.

Haha 😂

[warm topaz]

like, every worldsoul could be influenced by any of the cosmic forces

T&E have that theory

life, order, death, light etc..

[tropic trail]

Yea but let’s say Azeroth has every cosmic force equally.

[lone mantle]

A gigantic murloc!

[silent urchin]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-war-within-beta-development-notes/1870426/14

no servers yet tho

[wicked cave]

I thought i was the only one who didn't have servers

[pulsar minnow]

Well at least in the case of Azeroth, it’s seemingly more and more likely she’s a first one or something

“She is not the last, but the first” and all that nonsense

[silent urchin]

servers finally up

here's the text for the splash screen

but not the splash screen

alternative khaz algar world map is when hovering over khaz algar

[dense plover]

Is it that all the time or only when underground?

[silent urchin]

all the time

[dense plover]

Weird

Why

[thin warren]

To show it has underground lands?

[sullen dawn]

Murloc

[sullen dawn]

So did many others, like pyro had it way before t&e

[warm topaz]

yeah probably

i just heard it from t&e

🙂

[austere gazelle]

That's what I kept saying but ppl in here called me dumb for saying it

Azeroth is the fulcrum of création. The Anu-like of warcraft.

[iron storm]

why electric bird in Ironforge

[dense plover]

Visitors from Dornogal

[hollow mountain]

Do we just automatically get dynamic flight on our characters or do I need to have one character complete the dragonflight campaign first?

also will dynamic flight be available everywhere in pre-patch too?

[warm topaz]

We'll automatically learn it by level 10 and yes, dynamic flight everywhere

[hollow mountain]

Yay!

So no more ground mount til 30 ? we can all fly at 10?

[tepid fiber]

Unfortunately

Seems like

[hollow mountain]

[tepid fiber]

It'll have to be needed at least due to DF being the default 10-70 leveling route

[hollow mountain]

oooh

[dense plover]

I thought that dynamic flying outside the dragon isles still wasn’t available until like level 35…

[tepid fiber]

That's most likely the case, or 30 with standard flying, but honestly now there are too many takes and assumptions happening that now I need to see a patch note or release statement to be sure

Ugh, it's why I can't stand speculation

So fucking annoying

Gamer rumor mill makes it worse 100% of the time every time

[uncut vault]

I think this is new? the boosts up from azj-kahet are a single stream now instead of isolated sections

[dense plover]

Well that will hopefully be easier than the old way

Can you check the sinkhole in hallowfall?

That one also had the air currents

[uncut vault]

Also a steady stream now

[dense plover]

Any change to the core way?

That’s the only other place with the air currents that I’m aware of

I don’t think the path between azjkahet and hallowfall has them

[uncut vault]

None there sadly, though it's also kind of bugged atm

[dense plover]

Bugged how?

[uncut vault]

Locks characters going between the zone layers

so use the azj-kahet portal instead haha

[dense plover]

Uh oh

It’s crazy how much trouble the core way has given them compared to zaralek

It is MUCH shorter of a path between but it’s wild how much it keeps breaking

[zealous sedge]

It’s wild for sure. I’m not sure which department handles tech like this but I know they’ve had their work cut out for them with this and warbands.

[pulsar minnow]

I think the issue with the coreway is that it is shorter

shorter tunnel, and larger zones to load in

just a guess I dont know shit

[zealous sedge]

Maybe that’s the issue. Not enough time to render things?

I don’t know shit either hahaha

[pulsar minnow]

I've had multiple issues at least from my own experience, where I fly out of the coreway into dornogal and it still hadn't loaded in the Isle of Dorn even though I was already in the exposed sky area

[uncut vault]

It does, but its still the old version with like two scattered ones

[tropic trail]

Don’t worry I have been through worse. Azeroth could be a constellar, a first one. Everytime when void invades they wanna reach Ulduar. In harbinger quest it’s like second time since legion. 😳

[scarlet ridge]

Doesn't feel remotely ready to me, fishing profession has a plethora of bugs (reported all) and with each build it gets worse, as well as the instability etc

[austere gazelle]

What will happen is the following : as we near the release date, they'll put aside many feature upgrade they have in the work , and will focus on one last patch to stabilise the client. When it'll be done and released, you'll see many hotfix and mini patch coming up after release to catch up with what they left aside, and some balance tuning might even be delayed until 11.0.5 or 11.1

That's why you'll see many bug in the game that are not breaking bugs but ppl had reported in beta and are not fixed at release

will it be the developers' fault ? certainly not. Is it blizzard's fault for pushing a deadline while the dev are not finished ? absolutely.

[tropic trail]

Pre-release content is installing second day already. Is this a new pre-patch?

[warm topaz]

is blizzard the one who push the deadline?

or is Microsoft/Activison/X

[silent urchin]

blizzard are the ones that set release dates

[warm topaz]

i see

[silent urchin]

Also many of the bugs are likely fixed internally but just not merged in to the beta branch yet

it's not live, so they're not rushing to hotfix bugs asap

[sullen dawn]

Definitely Elon Musks fault

[warm topaz]

what i mean with "x" is someone that is not microsoft or activison haha

[sullen dawn]

I know I was just being silly :p

[warm topaz]

all good hahaha

[dreamy fulcrum]

Hi there!
I might be dumb but is there a place (aka: forum f.ex.) when players are posting feedback related to Classes/Specs about TWW-Beta??

[gloomy tangle]

The official wow forums has a section for tww beta

[tropic trail]

It’s happening when you hover your mouse on it. It reveals the underground version. Both pictures are valid. 😂

[dense plover]

I know

I just figured it would only happen when you were underground

[deep pawn]

I wish I could be excited about m+

[errant wraith]

so for the prepatch what quest do i need finished? i did everything up to the everbloom but i didnt even enter the portal yet

[upper pasture]

usually just being in game. since prepatch is the start of new content you don't need to have done any of the previous content to access the new content except being high enough level.

[errant wraith]

Oh I thought there was a prerequisite for some reason thanks

Can't wait to get the new race dwarfs are my favorite

[upper pasture]

Pretty sure we don’t unlock the new race until after TWW campaign but I’m not 100%

[errant wraith]

Yeah that's what I think it is as well

[errant wraith]

does anyone know if theres an addon that adds the new ui i get we only have like 5 days til its live but it looks real nice

[upper pasture]

what new ui?

[dense plover]

there is no UI change - the new features cant be replicated with an addon

[errant wraith]

theres no ui change? what did i see? let me get a screenshot

[pulsar minnow]

I mean they updated the maps and their icons and whatnot. But the actual ui itself from dragonflight is unchanged

[errant wraith]

i think what i saw was an addon; it was black and you could use spacebar to accept quests

oh yeah it was this https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1bmopbi/dialogue_ui_from_the_creator_of_plumber_and/

kinda sad, it looks like an upgrade to the ui and flows really well with the game

[pulsar minnow]

I mean it’s an add on

So it’s not as if you can’t just install it yourself

[livid walrus]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/server-shutdown-notice-friday-fixes/1895863/3

[livid walrus]

https://x.com/Marlamin/status/1814516660138656028?t=DK-CscSupfxq30T4vEoxwQ&s=33

Martin (@Marlamin) on X

Ah yes, the classic 6AM-in-EU build.
Thank turnip it is just binary fixes + an interface manifest update, BUT the latter does tease a new 2nd login screen with clouds, bushes, a bridge and buildings. Hopefully we'll see it in the next build, maybe it'll even have all the music!

Twitter · Jul 20, 2024, 4:24 AM

[deep pawn]

Aww, people didn't like the log in screen?

[silent urchin]

It's a bit bland but it seems to be intended to evolve over the saga

but I almost never see it anyway so I really don't care

[deep pawn]

Looks like it's being replaced though

[errant wraith]

so why are people saying leveling is going to be insanely fast prepatch?

[silent urchin]

massive xp requirement reductions, particularly in 60-70

essentially leveling is split up into "previous expansions" and "current expansion" and current expansion is always much slower. Pre-patch shifts dragonflight into the previous expansion bit so it's now much, much faster

although 1-60 has also been adjusted

[livid walrus]

if you stuck in the coreway and cant get up this one will help you

[silent urchin]

that's neat, waiting for vigor can be bleh, even with the winds that boost you

and I guess it also means if you really don't want to fly at all you don't have to

[pulsar minnow]

I wonder if they’re outright replacing the current login screen or adding stuff to it

[thin warren]

good question, i always found it sad that they put so much effort in a loginscreen, since you log in trough battle.net-app you actually rarely see it

[ember blaze]

login screens have been way too lame

[warm topaz]

shadowlands one was really good

DF too

just this one, but is not that bad

it's just simple

imo

[glass flicker]

Shoulda been Gorribal.

No seriously, why isn't this our login screen, with the clouds in the background and random pulses of energy from the sword?

Better yet, the crystal in Hallowfall.

Maybe even have it check the server time in your region and change between gold and purple with the day/night cycle.

[tropic trail]

It would be cool

[worn crown]

We see it for, like, a few seconds

Why waste resources 🤣

[glass flicker]

Then why not just make it a still image with a simple title like Dark Souls?

I'll tell you why. Because of immersion.

What would immerse you in a spinning circle with a lava filling?

[austere gazelle]

Because its " the world soul saga " not " the sword saga " or " Hallowfall saga "
I think this login screen shows the state of the world soul and will be declined in the next expansions.
They will probably end up doing stuff like Warcraft 3 with this login screen " opening " to the Warband screen

[glass flicker]

Ah, so because they announced three expansions at once, that must also mean they keep the same login screen across all three, with minimal differences? Nay. Let each expansion have its own screen. Gorribal for The War Within, Xal'atath at the Sunwell for Midnight, and statues of the Titan Keepers of Ulduar on their thrones for The Last Titan.

It's not "wAsTeD rEsOuRcEs"

[sullen dawn]

Well the login screen is getting changed soooo

[austere gazelle]

I know that and as I said, Maybe not changed but improved with a transition.

[sullen dawn]

It also has clouds etc..

So sounds different

[pulsar minnow]

It seems to me like the core is going to turn into a portal

There’s a file in there for the main menu saying “portal” so I’d imagine it might just be a breaking open to reveal like Hallowfall or something

[thin warren]

Can't wait ^^

[sullen dawn]

Yeh hallowfall is the current speculation

[austere gazelle]

As I said : " They will probably end up doing stuff like Warcraft 3 with this login screen " opening " to the Warband screen", but maybe a current zone instead of the warband though before connexion 🤔

[pulsar minnow]

well there’s assets for clouds, bushes etc… so it’s probably either one of three places: Dornogal, Hallowfall, or the sword

And silithus is probably least likely bc we know the screen will have foliage, which… silithus lacks. A lot.

I think Dornogal is the easy first answer. Something like this shot

[sullen dawn]

Yeh which is nothing like the current screen. Certainly not an 'improved' version

[austere gazelle]

You dont get that it could just show the actual screen and then opens to show dornogal, for example ? Aka improving the current screen ?

They may use the actual screen to make a link between the three expansions of the saga with the current one, then the void one, and lastly the titan prison one

[glass flicker]

Do you honestly like that screen, or do you just like disagreeing with people?

[deep pawn]

I prefer the simplicity and quiet of what's currently on beta

I don't need Alex or anything else landing and making noise.

[glass flicker]

It's not even about that. Just have some razzle and dazzle so the screen doesn't look barren and devoid of the personality it's had for twenty years.

I still consider Warlords of Draenor to have the best login screen, and it's quite simplistic.

Not even joking, BfA had the worst login screen.

Tell me it wouldn't have been more impactful to have Teldrassil burning as the main login screen for BfA. I dare you.

[deep pawn]

I'd have hated that

[glass flicker]

Explain.

[uncut vault]

Constant reminder of that disaster probably would have driven me to quit far sooner than shadowlands lol

[pulsar minnow]

Tbh I’d like either for the login screen. I like how the current one matches the game art and box art. Not against something more interesting tho

[uncut vault]

At least lordaeron reminds me of a cool cinematic, even if it was a false premise

[glass flicker]

Here's another way to have made the BfA login screen more interesting.

A boat battle between the Kul Tiran and Zandalari fleets.

That was the premise, that the Alliance and Horde needed boats.

If they can animate Alexstrasza swooping down from Valdrakken in two days after people complained, then they can animate some cannonballs between some ships with fire effects here and there.

[deep pawn]

hell no, quieter the better

[glass flicker]

Well, whatever suits your fancy, I guess.

[deep pawn]

a loading screen you may be on for 10-30 minutes sometimes should be as unintrusive as possible.

[errant wraith]

I like how side quests are now local quests because it makes more sense to me I never thought them as local quests before

[errant wraith]

There's ways to decrease this I suggest watching the bellular video explaining how to decrease load times, some nice tips and tricks

[deep pawn]

No, I meant waiting for servers to come up lol

[errant wraith]

Oh

Yeah that's going to suck

Warband converting

[austere gazelle]

Its not that I like or dislike it, I see possibilities of Improvement and I was sure that it wouldn''t stood that way. I'm not "' liking to disagree with people " but more in a " Wait and see " cause, as I said, we're in a trilogy now, not a simple "standalone" expansion, so they may share the same root logging screen with some difference based on the current expansion, and that would completely make sense.

And, btw, the fact that I like of dislike it as nothing to do with what I said before.

[glass flicker]

It would be boring and lacking in personality. The fact that the "worldsoul saga" is a trilogy has nothing to do with how the login screen should look. Think about it, Mists of Pandaria teased Legion, and Warlords of Draenor directly led into it. Legion ended with Gorribal in Silithus, BfA had us collecting Azerite, and then the Jailer used the Forge of Souls to extract more Azerite in the final raid of shadylands.

If you think about it, that's more than a trilogy. Expansions set each other up before the next one even ended.

[austere gazelle]

Now that's you who is disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

The fact that the "worldsoul saga" is a trilogy has nothing to do with how the login screen should look.

We don't know, its the first time they do a "saga" like this, so you cant be certain of it.

And I used the words may and might, not an absolute certainty. I may be wrong, or not. I'm not speaking in absolute either.

and I don't want to argue anymore cause this debate is stupid

[glass flicker]

Hold the damn phone, didn't they also call Eternity's End the "end of a saga" as well?

[warm topaz]

the end of a chapter

yep

[glass flicker]

So how is the "WoRlDsOuL sAgA" different?

[hazy kettle]

Entirely from the sideline, but the 3 expansions (War Within and the other two teased ones, Midnight and The Last Titan) all were shown with similar styled sigils in the style of Warcraft's Ring + Titan Runes.

Hence it would make sense, given that War Within looks like it had this login-screen, for it to be a continuance of Ring + Runes - at least imo.

(Not caught up on all the discussion about this, just figured I'd throw this in! '- ')

[glass flicker]

It's like, they announce three expansions all at once. Ok. Good. Great.
They have this impressive underground civilization with incredible architecture and culture. So far so good.
The login screen is just a circle with some cinder. For crying out loud, just have a gif of Azeroth spinning in no-where space and call it a day.

Add a shadow over it for Midnight, and make Ulduar bright for The Last Titan. Done.

Well, whatever. We'll just have to wait and see. Everything is subject to change, at the end of the day, that's how game development works.

I just hope they don't do something as boring as BfA's login screen.

[tropic trail]

I’m more worried that it’s cracked. So that would mean something is emerging out of it. 👀

[pulsar minnow]

Nothings gonna emerge out of it

It’s just mimicking the art of the logo for the expansion

Which is just Azeroth the planet cracking and breaking

[pulsar minnow]

Oh wait I just noticed. One of the names in the main menu files is “arcane tower”

I think the main menu we have right now is only for pre-patch. The new one might be Dalaran destroyed? And the reason we have the one we do now is to avoid spoiling that part of the story?

Dunno how that’d work

[austere gazelle]

Also " portal swirl " and " ring edges "

Sound like the ring will open and will show something on the inner ring, perhaps?

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I think it’s going to unlock once we enter Khaz Algar

[upper pasture]

Anyone know if we’re getting warband bank access on reset or is unlocking that something that requires some actual questing in TWW?

Or like the unlocked is in the new city hub or whatever

[uncut vault]

there's a short quest to unlock it in gadgetzan, which should come with prepatch tuesday

[upper pasture]

woo that's wonderful news lol

[zealous sedge]

I’m a bit preoccupied,so I can’t look it up right now, but other than warbands and class tuning, what else is coming on the day of pre patch?

I know radiant echoes is next week, but that’s about it right?

[deep pawn]

warbands, class talent updates

warband wide mog collection

expanded dynamic flying

[zealous sedge]

Cool, I just wanted to make sure there wasn’t anything super specific I needed to dive into on day 1

[deep pawn]

the reign of dragons is over!

[zealous sedge]

To get rewards, etc

I’m so excited to dynamic flight on Ashes

[deep pawn]

So many mounts I get to fly again

[ember blaze]

war bank gold cost tho 🤮

[zealous sedge]

Oof yeah

I mean I don’t really use my bank all that much tbh

I like to purge stuff I don’t use anymore

[ember blaze]

i should do that

my bank is filled with gear

[deep pawn]

you need one tab for most people

it's there to transfer profession mats and warbound gear

[dense plover]

Eh it’s not that bad

One tab is enough when combined with the reagent tab in the regular bank

Maybe 2

Only crazy people will need more and those people need to spend their gold

[upper pasture]

yeah it isn't crazy expensive until like tab 3 or 4

[zealous sedge]

Yeah I think the people that really “need” all the tabs are our Wall Street style profession/ commodity traders

[dense plover]

Which is exactly why it’s a gold sink

[zealous sedge]

True

[deep pawn]

Is there an achievement for a fully open bank?

[dense plover]

Don’t think so

[gloomy tangle]

There is, it’s So Much Sharing. https://www.wowhead.com/beta/achievement=40145/so-much-sharing

[deep pawn]

Lol

[zealous sedge]

Welp

[ember blaze]

i want all tabs 😡

pointless gold sinks that only affect your average joe

[crimson cradle]

help. why does TPR give me this ?

[ember blaze]

update it

[crimson cradle]

update what exactly ?

[thin warren]

Your client

[uncut lintel]

anyone here who played ptr or beta kno if preservation evoker any goods?

[subtle oar]

This means there is a pending update that you haven't got yet. Restart your client. If it doesn't start updating, restart your pc and it should update

[deep pawn]

It's strong as hell, but if you're being meta it's still competing against Aug

[uncut lintel]

if ur talking to me i dont meta i just wanna play pres

ill still play aug

but i wanna play pres 😭

[deep pawn]

Then yeah, it's looking good

[uncut lintel]

do we get our new talents in tww release or pre patch??

[warm topaz]

you mean hero talents?

they'll unlock at lvl 71 so maybe you can see them on prepatch but till release u can't play with them

[uncut lintel]

? pre patch uc an llevel

[warm topaz]

what you mean?

[uncut lintel]

is there a reason blizz wont let us learn rotation before xpac release 💀

[crude sigil]

Lvl max at prepatch is 70. So no hero talent

But new "base talent tree" will be available

[austere gazelle]

The AH bags stock action will fall drastically xD

[austere gazelle]

Well, try on beta xD

[uncut lintel]

i cant

if no one else knows rotation how am i gona know

[opaque pewter]

You'll just learn while leveling up as intended D:<

[uncut lintel]

n o

i must wowhead everything

and watch 50 guides

[deep pawn]

I'm officially mad at them nerfing dungeon rewards

[silent urchin]

wait myth vault is now only 10?

Wasn't it meant to be 9?

stupid move, pugs are toxic enough as it is

just screw over nearly everyone to slow down the top guilds like 2%

[deep pawn]

m0s are LFR loot now

[tropic trail]

Wait so, when you do 15 + what ilv you get in vault?

[upper pasture]

the same as a +10 (623)

[tropic trail]

Damn, but the 10+ isn’t more difficult than before? Or is it same?

[upper pasture]

nothing has changed from DF S4 to TWW S1. the change your thinking of was the M+ rework we got in S4

[warm topaz]

to someone who hasn't played S4: a +10 now is what used to be a +20

[tropic trail]

Oh wow 😯

[deep pawn]

on beta keys have felt very overtuned

+10s which drop 613 in the dungeon and 623 vaults are very hard at 613 ilvl

Which is hero 2 or and ilvl you should be able to do early mythic raid bosses for example.

They're testing +10s and higher in 613 ilvl gear

and MDI caliber players are depleting them with 30+ deaths

[austere gazelle]

no cause in S4 we could have max level loot in chest from +8 and max crest too, now its +9/10

[upper pasture]

yes, I'm aware. I was solely speaking on the difficulty.

[warm topaz]

amazing art

[zealous sedge]

is it me or does it look like an eye almost

[zealous sedge]

ohhh nvm

[warm topaz]

hahaha

[silent urchin]

Maybe whatever the macguffin xalatath has is

the dragon soul but old godier and older

[zealous sedge]

even now actaully it still kinda looks like an eye

[warm topaz]

probably 2.5D cinematic tomorrow!

[zealous sedge]

i feel like it hints towards something

[zealous sedge]

GIVE IT TO ME

haha

wait how do u know

[warm topaz]

you can't delay those more haha

[tepid fiber]

The Dark Heart?

[silent urchin]

yeah that thing

swirly and void and roughly circular

[zealous sedge]

also yes prepatch so that would make sense

[zealous sedge]

I know server maintenance is gonna be an all day affair tomorrow. Will beta realms still be up?

[warm topaz]

if there is a new build, probably not

[zealous sedge]

oh true i forget they usually push those on tuesday

[dense plover]

wont be ALL day

probably 3pm PST

[deep pawn]

maintenance warning says 3pm pst

but big patches like this often get extended

[upper pasture]

That’s the thing, it’s already planned to be a longer maintenance

[zealous sedge]

true, i just expect the worst hope for the best

Im not dooming here I think the servers will be inudated with all the warband conversions

[uncut vault]

Is this the latest we've ever gone without getting music in the beta? I forget

I only just realized because I was doing the max level campaign intro and its so clearly made to have music and not awkward silence lol

[candid ruin]

Step 1) servers come up
Step 2) people login and the warband conversion happens
Step 3) Servers combust
Step 4) repeat

[lone mantle]

What have I just awakened to?

[dense plover]

sorta but not really?

its late because prepatch is closer to expac

but not late for time to expac

usually its about 3-4 weeks before expac launch

unless they had demo tracks for a media tour like BfA and SLs

DF didnt have demo tracks and beyond temp login music, didnt get music until very close to launch

[opal storm]

Blueberry pancake

[austere gazelle]

Dh changes for prepatch are overwhelming

I'm impressed, so much inspiration and motivation in the class, thank you blizz

[tropic trail]

You guys have any warband? I just logged in and it’s all same as always 🤔

Ah damn I forgot it’s Tuesday today 😅

[warm topaz]

iirc Dragonflight music was added November 4th/5th

and the main theme complete October 31

[glass flicker]

Oh yeah, prepatch's tomorrow, right?

[lone mantle]

Yes.

[warm topaz]

today in NA!

im so confuse always with timezones haha

[glass flicker]

Timezones are a tangled web. - Not Nozdormu

[sullen dawn]

Music should be this week or next anyway

A composer of reasoning :p

Lmao

It's a suit not a tux :p

But thank you I think lol

[glass flicker]

I don't think the way you dress automatically tells if you're a musician or not.

[warm topaz]

please be this week 🙏

i need to hear that music all night

[lone mantle]

Regrettably, The War Within Collector's Edition Box does not include the soundtrack.

[sullen dawn]

It doesn't

[worn crown]

DH had a great rework mid DF
Changes are not always necessary just for the sake of changing things

[austere gazelle]

But there are many things still wrong, it wasnt great. We still relies on throw glaive with our tier set, without it we're poopoo lol

Rogue too were reworked same time as DH and yet they have still a lot of changes.
DH is not in a good place in TWW and the only viable héroïc spec is very very boring to play so we're on the vergé of seeing a great décline in DH population

[deep pawn]

Bear and holy priest are the ones that need the most.

[austere gazelle]

Just go into the fel Hammer discord and just repeat what you said and you'll see how great it was lol

[sullen dawn]

Rogue core class is fine but hero specs are baaad

Thematically and also annoying

Should have got a swashbuckler hero spec

With cannons

[dense plover]

that wouldnt work for the other spec tho

[deep pawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVegvHJiHs8&ab_channel=WorldofWarcraft

trailer!

we get another Xal'atath smirk

might be a hint at new music at the end

[warm topaz]

no 2.5D cinematic yet

🥲

[silent urchin]

oh boy can't wait to see what khadgar does this expansion

[dense plover]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24115318/pre-purchase-the-war-within-for-some-colorful-extras apparently the stormrider attire is getting recolors as part of the edition you bought?

this is new right?

[deep pawn]

neat

we already knew of the pet recolors

[dense plover]

yeah but not the armor

[deep pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-mythic-affix-updates-in-the-war-within-new-affix-oblivion-and-voidbound-345373

affix updates

[dense plover]

didnt see this in the patch notes but saw it on my 2nd read through - this is a good change

[deep pawn]

yeah, that's been known for a while

[dense plover]

oh - i fully missed it, dang

[deep pawn]

basically at 70 you'll have like 450+ or something.

[dense plover]

that rules

means i dont have to grind mindlessly on alts to be able to start the next expac and not feel squishy

[deep pawn]

depends on when you level them lol

[dense plover]

well yeah

[deep pawn]

but it's what they do each expansion to make up for the fact that you gain 150+ ilvl over an expansion.

[warm topaz]

not 2.5D cinematic today at this point

😩

[zealous sedge]

We could see it when patch goes live?

Or no because they put up that trailer

[thin warren]

visions is for in a week

check your banks, make some order

[uncut vault]

Hopefully they don’t screw up existing gear like the last squish

Trying to manage all the broken BfA gear during Shadowlands on my alts was such a mess lol

[thin warren]

why did you bother with gear from previous expansion?

[deep pawn]

eh? They aren't squishing, they're increasing ilvl from quest rewards 60-70 probably.

[dense plover]

its not a squish

theyre buffing the ilvl of quest/WQ gear rewards when leveling

so that by 70 youre ilvl 450-ish apparently

[deep pawn]

My guess is 450 or so since that's the level boost ilvl no?

[dense plover]

it is

and that would make sense

could maybe be 425 or 430

but its gonna be significantly higher than alts without tokens get currently

[warm topaz]

thoughts on beta build today?

[silent urchin]

realms are down, so likely

[warm topaz]

nice, please be music in it 🙏

[ionic terrace]

nah all test realms are down

including 10.2.7

likely tomorrow, they have their hands full today

[candid ruin]

[sullen dawn]

Yeh but screw the other specs

[ember blaze]

needs to be a new spec

not watered down uninspired hero talent trash like the rest of the rogue trees

[sullen dawn]

Rogues in a really weird spot with hero talents

[deep pawn]

extended, shocker I tell you

[deep pawn]

haha, Max "Veteran gear from m0 has to be a typo"

"What are non raiders even have to do heroic week"

[dense plover]

wait? heroic raid?

mythic is not meant to replace raiding and these changes are clearly aimed at that

[silent urchin]

yeah and everyone hates these changes

[upper pasture]

i wonder if it's just until the season starts?

[silent urchin]

because a lot of people don't really care about raids and just want to dungeon

[upper pasture]

since M0s are now daily instead of weekly.

[dense plover]

but you CAN just do dungeon

if you arent gonna raid, why do you need literally the highest ilvl?

[silent urchin]

Cause blizz have been selling it as a separate alternate endgame for like 4 expansions now?

Cause there's a competition to be in the top 0.1% of rating each season?

If anything raiding is finished with like half myth gear when world first happens, while M+ remains competitive to higher ilvls

[dense plover]

maybe theyll change it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silent urchin]

so why do you need the highest ilvl gear for raiding

It's just gonna be damn near impossible to max out myth in every slot purely via M+ vault

cause you can get oops all cloaks 5 weeks in a row

[tepid fiber]

People gonna try to optimize if they're allowed a way to try to optimize

[silent urchin]

Mostly it just feels bad

especially coming off the back of a bullion season

to go back to worse than dragonflight

"Hey everyone just had fun, this was awful"

in general blizzs concept of "chase items" is bad

they seem to optimise for the average time to get it

but it leaves a significant amount of people who never get it

[deep pawn]

Some people whined they got geared too fast in s4

But that was bullions not m+

Raiders, maybe trolling, maybe sincere are all going "good, I don't have to play candy land content anymore"

It doesn't make sense to me that delves will be more rewarding than dungeons during heroic week

[silent urchin]

I'm not expecting bullion every season

but blizz just never seem to care about the unluckiest people

back when raids were still personal loot, my group had a rogue who was the only agi dagger user. The two agi daggers in the raid were on bosses with fat loot tables, so they had roughly a 1/5 chance for loot, then a 1/6 chance for it to be the agi dagger, or like 3-4% per boss, twice a week. They never got one the entire raid tier. And that's not even that unlucky, do the raid 25 times and you have about a 13% chance of that happening

and that went on for so goddamn long

meanwhile you're done with necks and rings on like week 2 cause there's 5 bosses that drop them and everyone can loot them

[deep pawn]

Ironically, one of the reasons personal loot was removed was cause people got too many rings and necks

hah, extended again

[candid ruin]

[little hound]

Glad you NA people beta test it for us so we EU get it flawless

[candid ruin]

don't tell them

NA downtime went so long that EU is also in downtime

[little hound]

😉 Noobs

[deep pawn]

I'm playing FF14

sooo

I'm good

[ember blaze]

wow players should take the time to get some sunlight

[little hound]

Or touxh grass

[upper pasture]

But it’s night time now, no more sunlight 😦

[ember blaze]

that doesnt happen till almost 9 pm here 🧐

[deep pawn]

why cringe? It's a fun game that just released an expansion

9pm hahahahahahahah

I knew it

[ember blaze]

🤮 combat

[little hound]

Wrong reaction

[deep pawn]

it's different, but I understand

there's some I find a bit slow coming from as reactionary as WoW combat is

[ember blaze]

yeah thats how I felt. And wow just overall feels way more fluid if that makes sense

[warm topaz]

does this happen to anyone else? lol

[silent urchin]

they seem to have given a bunch of youtubers etc "visions" from xal'atath to put into their videos

https://youtu.be/ANRSmLj0xzo?t=34 https://youtu.be/6Dj008vBmKY?t=247

timestamped for the vision bit, so you can skip the rest of the video

[warm topaz]

yo thats actually sick

[pulsar minnow]

I can only imagine Taliesin’s reaction to hear Xal’atath call him out by name

[dense plover]

those are neat

[deep pawn]

That singsong MrGM is gonna be a notification for him for eternity now

[deep pawn]

ooof

the Otterworldly mount can't fly at all if you have dynamic active

that's stupid

[pulsar minnow]

Just got my collectors edition. The book has quite a few lore hints

Suggests that Xal’Atath was hiding within the blade of the black empire

[dense plover]

we know this?

like - we literally free her during a questline

[warm topaz]

is a theory

well, nvm yeah we kinda know that yeah

[pulsar minnow]

I’m aware

I’m saying she wasn’t placed there by force which we’ve been led to believe

She wasn’t trapped in the knife. She chose to hide inside it.

That’s my point.

[dense plover]

it says perhaps

[pulsar minnow]

I have the book in my hands I know that

But the choice to include that line is intentional

[warm topaz]

im so frustrated, you can't complete the quest "An end to all things", the one in dk starter zone where you flight with the dragon killing things

the dragon doesn't deal any damage to the mobs and get insta one shot

[pulsar minnow]

Also we’re probably going to get another launch cinematic for TWW. The tidbits we saw in the announcement date trailer were probably only bits of the actual cinematic.

[deep pawn]

nooo, they nerfed my sword

[pulsar minnow]

This piece is metal as hell

[warm topaz]

new beta build today?

[deep pawn]

should be

they have raid testing tomorrow

[warm topaz]

true

i saw the changes they did to Silken Court, that fight was hell in Mythic

[sullen dawn]

Music plz

[warm topaz]

ye hahahaha

[warm topaz]

new PTR build, probably bug fixes?

[silent urchin]

Probably the build going out on US overnight

[dense plover]

itll probably go out sooner than that tbh

as soon as they know its working

they want the warband bank up ASAP

[warm topaz]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-confirms-that-current-class-trees-on-pre-patch-are-intended-345426

[deep pawn]

pity

but expected

since the changes missing are on the 11.0.2 beta

[warm topaz]

no build today it looks like

[deep pawn]

It's still possible

[warm topaz]

the build on the PTR was push to live

[deep pawn]

I wish I knew why wow patches take forever to initialize

[silent urchin]

Probably still being cached on the CDN node you're using or something

[deep pawn]

goes up like .03 mb a second

honestly annoying

[warm topaz]

mine is pretty fast

[deep pawn]

beta updating

no notes yet

[dense plover]

total of 1 new track

definitely a cutscene

my guess - its the magni cutscene from the prepatch

starts good, ends bad

thats what we know about the magni cutscene - he communicates with azeroth, it seems like its going well, and then he gets hurt and ends up unconscious

hey look - the login screen opens when the expac launches and its exactly what people wanted

[zealous sedge]

What do we think of the new login screen

I wonder if it has a transition effect like we go into the circle?

I guess we shall see. Anyways, I like it tho

[upper pasture]

and yet people will complain lol

[dense plover]

my guess is more that the ring will stay animated

and this will just be the screen after prepatch

there wont be a transition b/c warband screen

[uncut vault]

Is just the level 80 server up now? Weird

[pulsar minnow]

Wait that’s actually hilarious

I didn’t expect to be right

I even made that art my wallpaper today 💀

[zealous sedge]

Haha is it hilarious because I haven’t been paying attention to the discourse about the log in screen?

[pulsar minnow]

Sorry I mean that’s my thoughts on the login screen

I love it I just find it hilarious that it’s literally the exact same image that we’ve seen floating around since announcement

It’s definitely fitting don’t get me wrong

[zealous sedge]

Oh hahahaha

[deep pawn]

mine is bugged

I have the gate stuck

[full void]

That aint a bug that is just how the main menu has been made

[deep pawn]

No, I have a big orb in the center of mine

it's supposed to go away I imagine

[upper pasture]

Yes, at launch

Right now it’s closed

[dense plover]

^

it probably wont have an animation, but if it does, itll shatter and reveal dornogal

[dense plover]

lol i didnt realize it was super broken XD

fire is animated which is neat

this one too

theres actually a bunch of subtle animations overall so thats nice

and the spinny ring is still there

i suspect the orb is supposed to crack and break away

and that isnt implemented yet

[deep pawn]

I have that same bug as MrPeach.

[warm topaz]

it would be cool to see the background art changing every major patch

[glass flicker]

Nah, that's too much. Maybe once every mythic raid completion.

[austere gazelle]

That's exactly what I said too xD But noooo , I got flamed for that because " The world soul saga shouldn't be different because the other expansion before were also a saga " roflmao, it was so obvious

[austere gazelle]

An apology, perhaps?

[glass flicker]

My sincerest middle finger, rather.

[austere gazelle]

I expected not less from you. You jumped at my throat for something I theorized , and when I am proven right you just keep going at it 🤷

[glass flicker]

Ah-huh. I just don't like you, that's all.

[austere gazelle]

Likewise.

[worn crown]

It is really nice to see Blizzard is willing to try different and new things with Wow, even small stuff like the login screen 😎

[austere gazelle]

indeed. And I theorize we will have the same screen for each expansion but with the 'ring' matching the logo of the current expansion. Next one will probably be all voidy with Silvermoon in the center

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/MrGMYT/status/1816432052406726950

MrGM (@MrGMYT) on X

With the latest build of the War Within Beta, the "Awakening the Machine" World Activity looks like it might be getting scrapped

The last couple of builds have been major changes to the system and this week all Achievements/Renown rewards associated with it have been removed

Twitter · Jul 25, 2024, 11:15 AM

those who have played it

thoughts on that?

[silent urchin]

it wasn't great

[rugged coral]

buggy af

[silent urchin]

All the same class balancing issues as delves but turned up cause it's time based

[rugged coral]

twice had mobs that went to 1hp and wouldnt die, preventingprogress, once got to lvl 20, and then... levels would just complete without anythign spawning. got to 50 before i got bored and left

but my issues seem fixable. class/spec balance issues; probably not

[warm topaz]

i wonder what are they gonna do with it

rework it or just eliminate it

MrGm says that there have been big changes to it, so mabe rework it?

[silent urchin]

feels like the sort of thing that might show back up in 11.0.5 or something

[warm topaz]

so, if you die, you can fly with skyriding but you can't use the abilities

[austere gazelle]

As I said earlier. They'll scrap some feature to introduce them later because they don't have time to fix them before release, priorising more important matter

Or maybe they'll trash them forever

[errant wraith]

so is the next big bad the void or someone else? from my understanding of the pre quest the harbinger it seems like this happened before with the voices... also i appreciate the new facial expressions and mouth movements look so much better

[austere gazelle]

War within is the set up, leading to midnight, the big fight and clash of Void VS Light. The end results will anger the titans that will descend on Azeroth to Order our asses

[dense plover]

Yeah I’m not against them cutting awakening the machine - it wasn’t fun

I would rather no activity in the zone - or they could bring back the researchers under fire event and I would be ok with that too

Probably wouldn’t be too hard to retool the researchers under fire with the enemies from awakening the machine and new dialogue

[errant wraith]

i like the new login screen; i wonder during the next two expansions if it starts opening up more

[dense plover]

I think the portal will just change

And the color scheme

This color scheme and metal design is tied to TWW

[austere gazelle]

given that this one has the same pattern as the actual TWW logo, the next one will probably have the Midnight one, finishing with the last titan

[uncut vault]

It’s a shame because the concept of a solo horde/wave mode is a really good one

But it seems to be a victim of the accelerated development cycle and just didn’t get enough polish

[warm topaz]

yeah i saw Max playing it once back in alpha and i thought the concept and the idea was really really fun

[dense plover]

tbh im glad theyre cutting it last minute rather than leaving it in and letting it be shit

they can always bring it back later if they figure it out

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/wowclassicdevs/status/1816535647190188262

WoW Classic Devs (@wowclassicdevs) on X

👋 Hi! We're the WoW Classic development team.

We're the shapers of Azeroth's past where heroes are forged anew:

🔥 Cataclysm Classic
🔍 Season of Discovery
⚔️ Hardcore
🌎 Classic Era

Follow for updates on insights, hot fixes, and more.

Twitter · Jul 25, 2024, 6:07 PM

cool, for those who want to follow!

[deep pawn]

cut stuff will always feel bad though

But they haven't done any marketing on that event, or the memories stuff

[dense plover]

the memories arent trash - they just need more players to be fun

awakening the machine is solo/small group

it feels bad

its too hard, not rewarding enough and not very fun

i have no idea what theyll stick there for launch tho

otherwise it will be the only zone with no activity

[deep pawn]

I know the memories aren't trash, it's just people don't talk about them and the devs haven't at all

[dense plover]

thats because theyre a pretty minor side activity to earn key shards and the rep currency for cosmetics, and theres a quest that explains all of it pretty accurately

[deep pawn]

I feel like they made us aware of the various zone events for DF a lot earlier

[zealous sedge]

Some people out there are claiming beta is no where near a state to have the game launch in a month. Any truth to that statement?

[silent urchin]

I have no idea what they mean

[pulsar minnow]

Well it’s missing music I guess? That’s about all I can think of

[silent urchin]

it's pretty much content complete

[rugged coral]

feels like they have so many fronts to do work on and not enough people working on them to let simple bugs in beta go for literal weeks

[silent urchin]

Simple bugs probably got fixed internally

but if they're not interupting testing they go via a slower build process than hotfixes

it's beta, not live. They're not going to force everything out asap

[zealous sedge]

I think people are freaking out about the issues with pre patch

So makes them concerned about launch

[silent urchin]

Yeah and most of the shit broken on pre-patch was working in PTR

so who knows

[zealous sedge]

But like we KNEW this prepatch was gonna break shit

[rugged coral]

which feels like not enough people. IMO, patches in beta should get pushed multiople times per day, but what do I know?

[zealous sedge]

It’s literally changing foundational stuff wit warbands 😂

[deep pawn]

delves are pretty buggy

[rugged coral]

ya, pets dying, crashing entering/leaving

[zealous sedge]

Anywho, based off everything I see in this channel, beta seems pretty solid for the most part. Today marks 4 weeks til early access so I know the devs are gonna be in super crunch mode. Probably 6-7 day weeks depending. Feel bad for them.

[deep pawn]

I don't think they needed to rush this expansion as much as they are

People were all ready to accept an October release

class tuning is a mess

they nerfed a shaman spec that was already weak and disliked

hero specs catching nerfs for both specs equally is so stupid

[silent urchin]

we're only just starting to get the actual tuning

and it seems pretty much the same time as any other expansion

[deep pawn]

DF's biggest failure was launching content poorly tuned, multiple times