beta-ptr-spoilers

[rain cave]

and that includes a bunch of weird time stuff, cosmic stuff w/e

but then realizing the titans are bad

[deep pawn]

I don't think he gets to kill all of them, but at least one

[rain cave]

it's going to be norgannon

[deep pawn]

Golganneth is a popular choice for expendable

[rain cave]

because the comedy would be funny

I just find norgannon funny because of norgannons foresight

and then not being able to foresee himself getting doinked

[deep pawn]

unless planned

[pulsar minnow]

I cannot see us beating the titans without the help of other pantheons tbh

I rlly wonder what Iridikron has planned

[rain cave]

something to do with ulduar if I had to guess?

sargeras was bound to his chair, which made him smaller and more vulnerable I'd assume

if the titans want to arrive on the planet they'd also have to shrink down

sounds like a vulnerable moment to me

[tepid fiber]

He gives me disappointing nihilist vibes tbh

Like he just wants to undo/unmake all of it

[uncut vault]

These are just icons for the two trinkets that drop from the ethereal boss in the Nerubian raid

[deep pawn]

hmm, that's normally not how they name stuff though

[last hearth]

whats wrong? Why it does not unlock?

[uncut vault]

A lot of the icons this build have untraditional naming

[dense plover]

icon naming is dying

its the source of major spoilers so theyre starting to kill it

[uncut vault]

Most of the icons are named after Arathi or earthen, rather than the zone or xpac like usual

[deep pawn]

ah, interesting

you sure it's for those trinkets for sure?

[uncut vault]

I mean nothings ever 100% but they line up exactly with the concepts and the names

We’ll see if they’re implemented in a build or two

[deep pawn]

I would be surprised by Karesh in an underground expansion

[tulip sun]

Perhaps it is something very early from midnight

[lone mantle]

Cosmic beings themselves cannot die while translocated. Only avatars or manifestations would be subjected to destruction.

[tulip sun]

Did you get onto the prepatch phase of dalaran somehow?

[lone mantle]

[livid walrus]

this is after radaint echo questline and before beta within quest

[tulip sun]

Oh don't think I've done those. Are others gathered in Dalaran?

[blazing granite]

oh dear

[livid walrus]

others? idk i know khdagar and karlin are missing in this 'phase'

[tulip sun]

I was thinking like the various factions representatives and others who appeared to be on dalaran

Like Meerah, Arluelle, etc

[blazing granite]

Jokes aside, I really dig their chemistry. Also like how it paints Faerin and Wrathion as "birds of a feather" in terms of their personalities

Them becoming a freudian trio of sorts would be great

[livid walrus]

maybe at another build they will. i will look more around. maybe underbelly

[tulip sun]

Maybe. Because these guys seemed to have been added recently.

[warm topaz]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-significant-affix-changes-coming-wowhead-interview-with-morgan-day-and-ion-343162

love Ion and Morgan interviews

[silent urchin]

It would be nice if they just put out blue posts explaining things directly though

rather than waiting like 2 weeks to do interviews

[tropic trail]

Damn this is so hobbit they even put lonely mountain there and Erebor. Haha 😂

[warm topaz]

they said on the interview that there will be a blue post

[warm topaz]

we can just have both lol

[deep pawn]

kinda surprised we don't have our m+ testing post for this weekend yet

[silent urchin]

my frustration is mostly that their communication on the state of stuff has been awful since beta started

in alpha they'd put in a bit each week saying "this is open, but X and Y isn't final yet"

now we've had a bunch of end game testing and they've basically turned around after the fact and gone "oh yeah none of that matters cause we have more changes that you have to wait and see"

[deep pawn]

In a season that goes live in less than 3 mon

[silent urchin]

I'm not super worried about the time frame, although this weeks patch was kinda.. light

[deep pawn]

In what way

[silent urchin]

mostly just that level 80 feels very unfinished and buggy and nothing much there changed

[deep pawn]

I haven't tested the levelling content so I wouldn't know

[dusk dagger]

I feel like i might main Afflock for tww after doing a bunch of beta testin.

[north orbit]

seems like the shadowlands raid scaling is intended tww beta/ptr hp is at least 2x compared to current retail

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault Not sure if you've seen this!

I really like seeing the armistice mentioned and how it is fragile. Perhaps we can get a story as we work together about forming peace.

[rose escarp]

I have a feeling there's something there regarding Arator.

[subtle oar]

Not happening. We already have confirmation that there will be a Wrathgate lvl event in the Worldsoul saga that reignites the faction conflict

[sullen creek]

I saw videos of people saying fire mage in beta might be the best a caster ever felt. Finally tried it yesterday and gotta agree. So insane. Almost feels like from a modern game with unleashed. Just spamming instants while jumping around and then hyperthermia hits. Insanity. Gonna be super fotm

[silent urchin]

where was this?

https://x.com/blizzard_ent/status/1803782360845984140 I bet they launch a day early at the end of gamescom

Blizzard Entertainment (@Blizzard_Ent) on X

Get ready for our first Gamescom as part of Team Xbox. ❄️ We invite you to join us August 21-25. Stay tuned for more information! #XboxGamescom

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 1:30 PM

[warm topaz]

could we have 11.1 there?

would be amazing

like in Legion

[silent urchin]

Maybe. I kinda hope not

there's gonna be a lot of stuff revealed in max level campaign/raid not seen from beta

And I hope that's how it gets revealed

[hazy kettle]

I second Vaephera's ask for a source, don't remember reading about this anywhere so far. - Although it would make sense, since Xal is going for our hate / rage, so inciting us into faction war again would definitely benefit her plans (weird paralel to the Jailer and Sylvannas, inciting / deepening a faction war to kill more people to fuel the Maw )

[worn crown]

For the love of all that is Holy (or Void-y), no more faction conflict as the main plot of any expac, pleaseee Metzen. It is beyond absurd at this point and neither H or A can really 'win'. Faction war pretty much ended waaay back in WCIII final mission.

[hazy kettle]

As tired as we are of it, on the surface it is uncanny how realistic it is (always returning conflict because something keeps reigniting it).

It would require both parties to go completely "we absolve you of all wrongdoings" and there were a lot of wrongdoings on both sides.

[subtle oar]

https://youtu.be/w0E4Bqd_fTI?si=AEXPOcr4cWwvGIa7

He covers the interview, I can't look for it rn cause I'm at work but I'll try to grab it tonight

[hazy kettle]

Ah, tyvm Baifeng :> I'll have a look once I'm done with my stuff.

[plain violet]

Just watched, as always, Doronsmovie extrapolate way too much. x)

There is no wrathgate level event or anything like that, the interview just told that they want to show that there is still some tensions between the Horde and Alliance and that things happen late in War Within while still keeping the philosophy of playing together.
Then that there is more potential for that tension, and that tensions are in safe bet of not staying friendly factionally.

Dorons then understood "faction war is back!"

Which is.. absolutely not what was said.

[subtle oar]

It is what was said.

[plain violet]

Im sorry but :

There is nothing about wrathgate event happening here..

It does talk about tensions, about things happening, that the person think it's a safe bet the factions aren't staying friendly... But no confirmation of wrathgate event, just "things that happen later", or confirmation of faction war (especially since it's said "I think that's a safe bet")
It's interesting for sure, but it isn't a official confirmation of war happening again or of the amplitude of the things that will happen, which is why Doronsmovie extrapolate way too much.

It isn't surprising because Doronsmovie is very.. focused on clickbait both on title, video debut and pictures, but still... It's to be taken with a lot of salt where it is currently.

[deep pawn]

I'm gonna wildmanguess and say someone blames Gallywix's actions in Undermine as the fault of the Horde.

Gazlowe's short story already introduces the concept that the actions of Goblins reflects poorly on the Horde even when not in the Horde

[cosmic beacon]

They will reveal shaman changes

[deep pawn]

hah

[plain violet]

That could be. 😁

[deep pawn]

it'll get mirrored in 12.0 I suppose when some Void Elves betray the Alliance.

[plain violet]

Im surprised by how little BFA exploided them... but Midnight will be tight.

[deep pawn]

BfA did plenty in making me not trust Umbric and many void elves.

[plain violet]

I feel like they were under-used, but that is understandable..

[gloomy tangle]

I haven’t seen this mentioned but there’s a new loading window when teleporting somewhere as a mage. The whole screen turns into a portal, it’s pretty neat.

[austere gazelle]

And why couldnt it be Alleria that mess things up ?

We already saw some.glimpse of it during the leveling

[deep pawn]

eh?

oh, it's teleport only

[rain cave]

there was some questioning going on with alleria not being present to lead

so I could see it going on

there is potential for them to not just set up the void elves to go AWOL though, the lightforged might also go a bit offkilter if they then also prosecute the void elves who didn't betray

and so the alliance could have a bit of an interior faction split, and instead of it being like a bfa war it's more of just alliance drama happening to balance out the fact that midnight takes place in a horde area

light and shadow in silvermoon, the sunwell fighting off the void, meanwhile the lightforged and the void elves have a falling out in the alliance and they splinter off

depending on what the crystal in hallowfall is, the lightforged might even have a new prime naaru or adjacent entity to swear fealty to, since they lost theit purpose a bit after legion

that could then line up to have anduin ready to step back into being the king again, with distrust and drama around turalyon after his army and his wife's group cause discord

[plain violet]

Yes I loved that! Very very sweet.

[modest ice]

for those of you playing the beta, how does frost DK feel? does it really have a new build type?

[elder seal]

Ugh i dont really have time RN to do all of the beta sidqeusts just to continue the campaign. it might be that i wont end up posting more than i already did and do rest during live

[vast thunder]

No worries, been enjoying the content you shared here

[elder seal]

I generally did not share too much in the chat itself. i just wish there wouldnt been sudden level req jump haha

But yeah. all main campaign screenshots up to telescope have been taken and some harrowfall sidequests

[deep pawn]

Are you databasing for wowhead or your own reasons

[cosmic beacon]

Frost dk feels good
Deathbringer is an awesome hero tree and more variety in builds is cool, 2h and duel wield oblit being a thing and breath being a lot healthier design wise is good

Riders for frost is super boring in comparison

Although the recent change to pillar making frost strike consume extra rp for damage seems kinda clunky since you have to go into pillar windows with a lot of resources

[modest ice]

The new “auto” attack dual world build I’ve seen is really relling me in

[cosmic beacon]

The new auto attack stuff isn’t very interesting but for the most part they feel good

But by far deathbringer is the main reason I’ll dabble in frost outside of my main spec being unholy

Animations look way too cool

[modest ice]

I think Imma be going blood/frost

Cuz blood looks super damn strong, they both have deathbringer which looks super fun

[cosmic beacon]

The blood changes are pretty good

I’ll offtank with it

But sanlayn looks kinda nutty for blood

[silent urchin]

PTR updated but it's the same build as beta now so nothing new

[noble summit]

For those in beta has music been added to any of the zones? If so how does it sound?

[subtle oar]

Music is added usually closer to release

[dense plover]

Music probably won’t come until close to the end of July

[tropic trail]

There are some title tracks released but they are not real orchestra

[modest ice]

as is stands with the new changes, does dual wield frostDK look strong enough to use over 2h?

ignoring breath completely, cuz ew

cuz id be super damn hyped if dual wield oblit, or even the auto attack build was gonna be real good

[warm topaz]

you should look for a youtuber who understands dk in depth

I would recommend some to you but I don't know people who main dk

[deep pawn]

Tuning isn't final. I wouldn't expect for sure numbers like that til the raid opens

[dusk dagger]

Gonna be real hard to choose between warlock and mage for TWW, they cooked so hard on those

I also decided Devestation but not a fan of how Dracthyr looks and I hate desintigrate clipping/chaining (feels weird)

Fire mage is so nuts atm on beta

[tropic trail]

I guess arcane is the worst again? 😅

[dusk dagger]

Dunno just talking about how they play tbh. Fire is just the bees knees havn't tried Arcane as much yet.

near 100% mobility (endless instant casts), tanky AF, cool looking spells

cool fire bird from hero tree, and hyperthermia proccs

bunch of stuff proccing living bombs

Its why so many content creator raving its like the best caster they ever tried i agree with them

Destro up there too IMO

I'm hoping they give Ele this king like treatment before beta ends (fingers crossed)

[tall dew]

Fire is so much fun but terrible for my carpal tunnel syndrome

[magic elm]

btw anybody else geting crazy lags in TWW beta dungeons ?

[dense plover]

I get crazy lag everywhere

theres some kind of wonky memory thing going on

[cosmic beacon]

As of ptr duel wield oblit is competitive

In fact most builds I see involve duel wield as a lot of the new talents support it due to more autos

[modest ice]

Does it use the new shattering frost talent? Cuz that looks quite nice to use

I think I’ll for sure be using dual wield, I love its theme so much

And the speed of it, personally it’s got very nice pacing

2hand oblits chunky hits are nice and all, but I main arms

[cosmic beacon]

I think players are still testing what is good, rn tuning isn’t much of a thing but auto attack cap traits alone make duel wield better

More focus on frost strikes with the recent pillar change + shattering ice being better

Breath still uses duel wield

[modest ice]

The frost strike stuff makes me hype

Looks like an actual fun to press filler button now

The tier set helps it out a bit too

Breath being 2h sounds interesting lol

More I hear about it the more the new dual wield oblit draws me in. It looks like I’m giving up warrior next xpack for blood/frost for sure

[warm topaz]

one thing i really want for Midnight is a great music for Silvermoon etc..

i wonder what they will do with it

is so unique

[tropic trail]

I don’t think they have budget for real orchestra, which will be always disappointing for me at least. 😅

[dense plover]

Wut

That’s literally what they use

Wow has been real orchestral music since at least wrath

Where did you hear that they didn’t use a real orchestra

They ONLY use real instruments for all of their games

My former Band Teacher from high school was part of the ensemble for some of the hearthstone dungeon run music

I just don’t know where you got this idea and then became disappointed over it

Like what?

Why do you think music comes so late in the builds? They have to record it!

[dense plover]

https://youtu.be/1rS7TgeC0y4?si=SAD3gk6MCMsioeIy even burning crusade used a live orchestra

you really think their budget is LOWER than TBC?

[tropic trail]

Not anymore. I hear virtual libraries now mostly, but in burning crusade there are live instruments yeah.

[dense plover]

you are wrong

like i KNOW youre wrong

i know people who are in the ensembles they use in LA

whoever told you this is wrong

[tropic trail]

I have perfect pitch I can’t be wrong 😅

[dense plover]

wut

thats not how perfect pitch works

at all

what do you think perfect pitch is?

[tropic trail]

I know but still I can hear difference between library and real instruments

[dense plover]

no you cant

because youre wrong

I LITERALLY KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PART OF THE ENSEMBLE DURING DRAGONFLIGHT

[tropic trail]

Wow

[dense plover]

you are just factually incorrect

you can tweet at the composers for wow and theyll verify they still do live recordings

also the collectors editions LITERALLY COME WITH THE SOUNDTRACK THAT SAYS IT IS A LIVE RECORDING

[tropic trail]

https://youtu.be/vdj628W5x_s?si=TZN1pR3IHbXqIhck

You not gonna say that this choir is real person singing.

[deep pawn]

It's freaking California. There's professional musicians all around the LA area. What the hell do you think Hollywood uses?

[silent urchin]

Why wouldn't that be real

[dense plover]

dude is delusional

clearly they spend beta writing digital soundtracks, finish them, and then just wait until the last minute to release them because thats hip

not because it needs to be recorded, edited, and actually produced like real instruments

[pulsar minnow]

Do keep in mind that while they use a real orchestra, editing is part of the music process. So adjustments are likely made in post, as it is with basically any music made nowadays

[dense plover]

also to add on to this

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-credits-added-in-latest-beta-build-329214

found my proof

[tropic trail]

Yea maybe they just put too much compressor at the end of the mastering process, before it was more “breathing” and had some more expression/dynamic range

[tepid fiber]

Gotta love credits

[dense plover]

they used a recording studio, at least one of which is known for orchestral recordings

[silent urchin]

the tracks on the soundtrack are probably pretty close to as recorded. In game they mix up the layers and looping a lot to give variation

[dense plover]

oh look

a real choir

[tropic trail]

Is it dragonflight expansion soundtrack?

[dense plover]

YES

THIS IS THE DRAGONFLIGHT CREDITS

did you see the link?

jeez

you can literally view this in game

the 'digital' sound you are hearing is the file being compressed

its not digital instruments because they havent had compression as part of their sound in at least a decade

[tropic trail]

Interesting

[dense plover]

its the actual ogg compression, because otherwise the 2.5 hour soundtrack would be 40GB

[tropic trail]

Maybe the compression affects the way they sound

[dense plover]

THATS LITERALLY WHAT COMPRESSION IS

jesus

mr. perfect pitch over here knowing literally nothing about music

https://tenor.com/view/oh-brother-eye-roll-tina-fey-30rock-annoyed-gif-5200512

[lone mantle]

I think your approach may be a bit too aggressive. While she may be mistaken, it's important to note that your behavior is also not appropriate.

[dense plover]

sorry

[tropic trail]

It’s better to put ratio 1:1 for orchestra just to not overdo it

[dense plover]

its not that simple

some instruments sometimes come out louder

[tropic trail]

I know

[dense plover]

trumpets are a great example

even 3 trumpets and an entire orchestra can be overwhelmed

part of the recording studio's job is to pick the right ensemble to avoid these problems

but even then, it can sound off

[tropic trail]

It’s complicated topic, there is a lot of things that affect the sound of the instruments themselves

Even the microphone position

[dense plover]

so you adjust levels, feed it through a compressor to equalize it, and hopefully it doesnt sound too icky

[tropic trail]

I didn’t check these credits so I didn’t know 😅

Sorry hehe

[dense plover]

sometimes in addition, when you take those finished files and feed them into an actual file compressor - different than the other type of compressor - you lose some of the audio quality

ie, if you take an mp3 and convert it to OGG, the file size is reduced, but the audio quality goes down a bit

[tropic trail]

I just listened the track and felt like .. you know 😂

[dense plover]

i promise - wow still uses real orchestras for everything

its one of their big prides

[tropic trail]

Yea maybe

[dense plover]

not maybe

100%

it has an enormous section of the credits

and they even do interviews with the composers sometimes

Neal Acree has talked a lot about the different music he has worked on for wow and what its like working with a live orchestra

his experience with a live orchestra is the same reason that the Legend of Vox Machina soundtrack uses a live orchestra

he came to them and proved that he knew what he was doing and convinced them to let him use a live orchestra, even though it would cost more

[tepid fiber]

Yes and that's what credits are for

If the information is publicly available then it's kind of on you if you assumed without looking

Which is probably why Peach is acting all "uh, duh?" about this because if you wanted to know then the info is right there, and it's frustrating when someone assumes something that just isn't true without checking the available info that clearly states otherwise

[tropic trail]

That will be silly question but where are you actually checking those credits?

[tepid fiber]

If I want to know who/if someone made something, yes

That's what credits are for

To credit people

[tropic trail]

Ok I think I found it 😅

[dense plover]

you can view them on the main menu

but i also linked the article that copied them to text

credits get added towards the very end - right before release

b/c they have to include every single person who was included

and if someone does work AFTER they add the credits, then they have to edit them

[deep pawn]

I'm personally looking forward to seeing who's on the combat design team, if they bothered to increase the team size and who replaced Holinka

[dense plover]

idk if the credits show that

[deep pawn]

they do, at least they did in DF

Lead Combat Designer
Brian Holinka

Combat Designers

DF was the first time they listed them separate

[dense plover]

huh

[deep pawn]

I went digging into old credits

for a long time they just had Game Designers

DF I think put all the teams in their own categories

Graham for example we know did Evokers, but he left to join Holinka at his new company.

Ah, SL listed Holinka as the Lead Combat, but all Game Designers were combined for SL

So that means Combat, Encounter, etc

[dense plover]

no guarantee they do the same as DF for the credits this expac

[deep pawn]

Indeed, the one constant with the WoW credits is they're formatted differently every expansion

[leaden walrus]

Anyone know whats up with the patch pushed to PTR1 today? Build number 55261

Are they prepping for a 11.0.5 PTR already?

[dense plover]

still 10.2.7

[dense plover]

there wont be a post launch patch ptr until the prepatch is live at the earliest

[leaden walrus]

is it not unusual that the build number is higher than the beta build though?

[dense plover]

no

every new build goes up

so all retail builds - both beta and current increment the number

thats normal

the next retail build will either be the same as ptr or higher

[deep pawn]

They use the same build sequence for every game version now.

Classic, retail, ptr, and beta

I don't think it was always that way but Blizzard changes constantly

[dense plover]

not true actually

nvm

mixed up a thing

yeah kyle is right

the last digits of the build are carried across every version

and are just based on when it was pushed essentially

[deep pawn]

It's not how they have always done it, that or they didn't update build numbers for hotfixes before

Speaking of builds, anything on the vendor today?

[dense plover]

last new vendor was friday but it still hasnt been pushed to beta

so possibly we get a new build tomorrow

actually i take that back

there was a new build a few hours ago

so almost definitely new beta tomorrow

probably just bug fixes and more maps

[deep pawn]

I need Swarmlord's Authority fixed so I can actually see how strong they want it to be

It should also include the next iteration on m+ affixes

They haven't said talent iteration is done yet so I'm still copium on bear and shaman changes.

[ember blaze]

bring back graham berger

[ember blaze]

shaman changes are there

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep pawn]

I'm sure he has a more fulfilling job where he's at now

[ember blaze]

making support specs he could have made in wow

[silent urchin]

beta level up realms have been counting down to season start today, patch might support that, although it would normally be some time after the reset

[scarlet ridge]

Forgive my shitty excel skills, here's a cheat sheet for the Fishing Derby new meta achievement, catch all fish within 3 hours on a Saturday to get Kah, Legend of the Deep mount

[upper pasture]

Huh

New “affixes” are pretty lazy. I love the first one but the second and third one is extremely lazy

Oh, when you die instead of 5 seconds it’s 15! Wooo 😒

[silent urchin]

I don't think it's meant to really be an affix

it's just there to separate low level keys for pugs and high level organised push groups a bit

changes seem pretty good overall

[upper pasture]

I mean they use the word affix to describe it

[silent urchin]

yeah but it's not designed to do the same thing as current affixes

[upper pasture]

I really do like the first one and I like that it directly ties to the big bad of the season

It just think the second two are lazy

[dense plover]

oh shit - theyre at least following through on getting rid of the affixes people hate

[silent urchin]

i.e. literally all of them!

[dense plover]

XD

[upper pasture]

Like who cares 5/15 second at that level of play you are only punishing bad players lol and oh 12+ no more bonuses and things just hit harder now

But it’s better than another season of sang/bolstering

[dense plover]

thats sorta the point

they literally say as much

the minor ones are meant to make the dungeon statistically harder without requiring significant changes in strategy

like - they literally explain thats actually what they want

[upper pasture]

Yeah but for high skilled players aren’t going to notice a change and the keys will be easier

[dense plover]

i mean, i dont think thats true

challengers peril yes

i dont like that one

[upper pasture]

Why? We are losing affixes and gaining something that basically means nothing to groups that don’t have deaths

[dense plover]

but the others increase the challenge across the entire dungeon evenly

[dense plover]

thats the one i dont like

there are 2 other minor ones that are more significant for everyone

i think a lot of people will dislike challengers peril and it wont stay

[upper pasture]

I’ve states like 4 times I like the kiss curse one. But the other two are meh

[dense plover]

i suspect it will get reworked

[dense plover]

THATS THE POINT

theyre meant to make the dungeon more challenging

as a reminder, a +7 is like a +17 now or something

[upper pasture]

….your literally missing my point but go on

[dense plover]

so the nasty ones are specifically aimed at people pushing high keys

[upper pasture]

The 12+ affix is stupid because it just takes away the affix from the start and just makes things hit harder

[dense plover]

yeah i think thats lame

i missed the text saying that

i think getting rid of the mechanics is bad

might make more sense to just slap that on in addition instead of replacing it

[upper pasture]

The 7+ affix is stupid because for 90% of the player base pushing those keys it’s not gonna matter or make anything different

[dense plover]

am i understanding correctly that a +10 you will always have fortified and tyrannical now?:

[dense plover]

i already said it wont last

i guarantee it gets removed because most people will say the exact same thing

[warm topaz]

yep that is what i think too

[upper pasture]

From what I understand it will no longer be fort week or tyrant week it will be keys 4-9 fort 10+ tyrant then switch next week

So you can always do either key

Up to a certain point

Which is a nice change I feel

Or you get both at 10+?

[dense plover]

i think you get both

but its very likely we see changes to how theyre balanced

[upper pasture]

Oh that’s uhhh…interesting

[dense plover]

since they are now keeping both tyrannical and fortified and all 10+ keys will have both, they can balance around that much more easily

part of the intention of the change is to remove push weeks

but yeah i suspect both challengers peril and guile will change within a week

peril will probably be fully replaced

and guile will likely be changed to be in ADDITION instead of replacing the kiss/curse seasonal effect

or nerf the seasonal effect maybe

[tropic trail]

So, without these affixes and with new ones m+ dungeons will be easier for average player ?

[dense plover]

i think theyre worried that the kiss/curse effect at high levels might be busted

[silent urchin]

They state they want to remove push weeks

so no random affix makes sense there

[dense plover]

i mean - mythic dungeons are inherently harder than base dungeons

and M0 is now harder than it was during Dragonflight

[silent urchin]

It should be easier for early keys, harder maybe for later keys

they've given themselves room to have different mechanics and tuning

[tropic trail]

Damn

hey . is the beta down? i got kicked out and now the list is gone

😦

This is gonna be fun on tyrannical 😂

somehow the beta button is gone for me totally now D:

[silent urchin]

beta realms are down right now, yes

presumably for the patch

[tropic trail]

ah pheww i thought i got banned or something XD . my head always tells me that stuff

[zealous sedge]

You’ll have tyrannical every week along with fort by the time you get to +12. Atleast that’s how I read it

[upper pasture]

10+

[zealous sedge]

Yes exactly

[upper pasture]

you get the other affix at 10+

[silent urchin]

yeah, zero variation past 12s

[zealous sedge]

Yes I was saying if you’re running 12s you’ll have both affixes so tyr or fort weeks are regardless since they start at 10

I would hope they keep the bargain affixes in at +12. It would be nice to get a little power bump for keys that high to make it less of a slog

[upper pasture]

no variation is fine i guess. so it's basically gonna be keystones get ascendant or frenzied then fort or tyrant at 4+ then challenger's peril buff at 7+ then fort or tyrant at 10+ (whichever wasn't at 4+) then take away the weekly keystone affix and make everything hit 20% harder and have 20% more health at 12+

[zealous sedge]

I also am curious if and how they will change dungeon scoring based off the last paragraph in that article. Maybe they’ll make +12 the highest you really need to go to get your rating for the season rewards. If they are keeping it in line with “no more push weeks” it would make sense. If you want to push farther than +12, then that’s cool. But it’s just for glory and bragging rights

[upper pasture]

i wonder what this means for dungeon score. since there won't really be fort/tyrant weeks anymore

prolly just change how they are vauled.

no more 100%/33%

[tropic trail]

Usually 15+ is weekly now so if they lower it to 12+ I’m kinda happy with that 😂

[upper pasture]

i'd be surprised if they make KSM higher than 10s tbh.

[zealous sedge]

Probably. With Peril I feel like whatever the formula is, they should make the timer affect the score even more now. 15 seconds per death is a lot haha

[dense plover]

again, i dont think challengers peril will be here next week

and I think Xal's Guile will be changed next week too

we only had the previous affixes for a week

my guess is peril will be fully replaced with something else

maybe additional enemies? people liked that mechanic from BfA with the void enemies that created portals

would be neat for +7 to add like, 3-4(?) minibosses throughout the dungeon that can be avoided but give a buff if defeated

something interesting, ya know?

[upper pasture]

something to change it up

[dense plover]

and Guile will probably be changed to be in addition to the Xal seasonal affix instead of replacing it

[upper pasture]

i'd hate for M+ to become something we do for 2ish weeks and be done with it for the whole season

[dense plover]

theres no way they end up sticking with the +12 not having the fun seasonal thing

so Guile will almost certainly be changed either to modify how the base mechanic works or to be added in addition instead of replacing it

[zealous sedge]

Yeah I was kind of hoping the Bargain affixes should stick around at +12 otherwise it really takes out the fun aspect

[dense plover]

we will see after people play with all of this during this week's testing

[upper pasture]

cause if you think about it why slog through M+ when you can nab heroic raid gear from delves?

[dense plover]

because mythic gear is better?

delve gear only goes up to M+5 i think?

[upper pasture]

they said devles go up to heroic raid no?

[dense plover]

though i dont think we know what the vault rewards for delve look like

[dense plover]

i dont think so

[upper pasture]

(yeah i'm speaking about vault reward)

[dense plover]

yes

they said heroic/M+5

[upper pasture]

you can earn a heroic raid piece from delves once a week

[dense plover]

ah

vault goes up to heroic/M+15

so theres still a bit of push for mythic there

+15->+20 is still above heroic/delves

also i assume that will be delve tier 8

which will be very hard

[subtle oar]

They did.

[dense plover]

yeah i took back what i said right above your reply my guy

theyre +5 from drops i think

but +15 from vault

might be +10 from drops tho

[deep pawn]

I believe they said vault rewards would cap at +5 so that's hero track. I'm pretty sure you'll never get myth track from delves

[deep pawn]

They will cause +12 is a less than 1% player experience. They don't want variance so they're getting exactly what they asked for.

[dense plover]

idk

we shall see

[deep pawn]

Pushers I've seen talking love the idea of no weekly variance so far, they're worried about the scaling of having fort, tyrannical, and guile all at once

[dense plover]

well fort and tyrannical are almost definitely going to see major balance changes

guile will probably change in some form even if people like it or is balanced around the changes coming to the other 2

[upper pasture]

Probably be normal track from drops heroic from vault (raids of course) the. Mythic drops being exclusive to mythic raids and max M+ vault

[deep pawn]

They already said delve loot caps at +5s. So hero vaults and champ only from blue keys.

Non key delves drop meh warband crap

And cosmetics

I'll make a fresh tank just to see what a +8 delve gives in vault

[dense plover]

you mean purple keys

the blue keys are the same ilvl as the delve normally gives

they just give you a second piece

the purple ones are more limited and are the boosted ilvl

[dense plover]

also this just isnt true

they drop up to M+5 equivalent at tier 8

unless they meant that to ONLY come from the purple keys

which wouldnt be ideal

[deep pawn]

+8s gave me explorer gear

from base chest

I just figured the only relevant gear was tied to loot keys

[solemn dagger]

Question the new warlock tier set I see two models, skirt and legs.

We getting both, or is it depending if you are F or M? o_O

[dense plover]

gear has never been gender specific in wow

theyre likely just separate items

[deep pawn]

what the heck is going on with the forums

they're read only for some reason

oh, now staff only lol

[silent urchin]

maybe maintenance related?

dunno if that's still ongoing

[deep pawn]

At least m+ testing will be up as soon as servers are

[silent urchin]

patch out

[deep pawn]

SHAMAN POST

[silent urchin]

We’ve been recently working through a package of updates for Shamans, and we can now confirm that we’ll have the majority of the changes implemented and ready for testing in the next Beta build, next week.

[tulip sun]

No build this week?

[silent urchin]

there is

it's just gone out

realms not up yet :(

[tulip sun]

Oh.

[silent urchin]

season 1 should have started on level up realms as well

maybe end game stuff will actually work now

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-war-within-beta-development-notes/1870426/10

[candid ruin]

hmm this login screen

[silent urchin]

servers up

[candid ruin]

lets get it

devel time

nvm season still not started

[silent urchin]

lol nvm

[rose escarp]

HYYYYYYYPE

[deep pawn]

I am salty they did another arcane rework

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Ghostopheles/status/1805714021137760729

Ghost (@Ghostopheles) on X

I like it

Twitter · Jun 25, 2024, 9:25 PM

https://x.com/Marlamin/status/1805714428060483763

Martin (@Marlamin) on X

There will definitely be some unhappiness about the effort they went through for this (in its current form in the files at least, it's not active yet) but given how little we see it these days.... it's whatever.
https://t.co/tpT4a2Hiit

Twitter · Jun 25, 2024, 9:27 PM

[candid ruin]

gotta be the worst login screen to date

[warm topaz]

thats a bettertweet to add context

[silent urchin]

ofc they then go and have different ones like

[candid ruin]

do they have a UX team

[silent urchin]

this is for worldsoul memories

although I think that's been swapped with the actual theatre because that looks like

uhh,

oooh we got a city of threads map

[candid ruin]

yooo thats nice

[silent urchin]

and dornogal

[tropic trail]

Would be fun if you click login and the shell would just 💥

[candid ruin]

delve entrace got an update ?

[silent urchin]

I think that's just when its bountiful?

[candid ruin]

ah okay, yeah this one is bountiful

[cosmic beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/major-shamans-changes-to-arrive-in-next-weeks-beta-build-343536?webhook

holy shit

plz blizz

dont let us down

[candid ruin]

Clearcasting now utilizes bad luck protection instead of true randomness.

interesting

[lone mantle]

It resembles a small box of chocolates.

[cosmic beacon]

they seem to be doing stuff like this with a bunch of class mechanics and i dig it

like dk sudden doom reworked and having built in BLP to guarantee not having dry spells makes it way more fun

[deep pawn]

Tons of new Icons this build

they updated nearly every trinket

[candid ruin]

very easy, wonder why they gatekeep it tho lol

[scarlet ridge]

these new to this build?

[dense plover]

oooo - contracts being warband is great

looks like they baked in some of the damage hotfixes for brew into specific abilities

i feel like they removed a button from here

they did!

it used to also have a create character button

ajzkahet also has a map

portal is implemented

lower city map

delve quests have an icon

hovering over the legend highlights the icons

new icon if a quest is locked - they brought it back!

[dense plover]

pathfinding uses the portal

currency minimums

transfer menu DOES work now tho

dornogal portal is a tunnel

its one you can just walk through - i love walk through portals b/c theyre more immersive

its in the area with the black market XD

npc orders appear to be implemented finally

has this column always been here?

this makes it look like theres a required level of quality

they finished all of the sojourner achieves

this is new right?

i dont remember there being a progress bar

[dense plover]

has anyone seen Beledar go to shadow after completing the storyline there but before unlocking adventure mode?

[dense plover]

looks like they buffed xp again, and also made side quest xp scale with level instead of being locked to zone level

looks like the delve quests might be necessary to eventually unlock zekvir

new generic WQ icon in practice

arathi light event icon

it looks like the purple keys are maybe gone?

definitely gone

[deep pawn]

@dense plover I need to see if they've fixed the teleport loading screens more.

[dense plover]

what do you mean?

coreway has a loading screen right now if thats what you mean

[deep pawn]

Using a portal spell on a mage has a special loading screen now

On an alliance mage it's only Stormwind so far

[dense plover]

looks like you get a weekly dungeon quest for 1500 rep now

separate from the other weeklys

also it looks like real time cutscenes are maybe implemented - minus whatever voice lines theyre supposed to have I think?

or maybe just missing music

that added a little thing within the quest to let you know its a campaign quest

someone made a mistake with the teleport to the disc chamber

[warm topaz]

wonder when they are going to release the Warbringers-like cinematics

the Dragonflight ones came out a month and 2 days before

the first one i mean

[zealous sedge]

Loving all these little updates for each new build from you all. Thank you 🫡

I really like the log in screen. I know people are salty but I wouldn’t be surprised if it evolves into some sort of animation as you log in.

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault I totally missed Walton and I searched hard 😂. Taoshi, Jorach, Valeera and Garona are in Dornigal. Same building as Millhouse and Guff were in.

Drukan- chief aid to Moira is also in the files, but I havnt seen him

[dense plover]

doubtful - you dont see it anywhere near as long as you used to

i suspect it will evolve over the saga

and this is ESSENTIALLY the load screen we will have each expac

tbh the music matters more since you log in almost instantly

didnt catch the 'local stories' filter before - thats new too

i assume its quests that are part of the sojourner achieves so you can filter those out

[uncut vault]

Oh nice

[rain cave]

I think it's pretty cool!

[deep pawn]

I afk a lot so I see the loading screen a fair bit haha

Alex roaring all expansion

Makes sense we go back to a quieter one

[pulsar minnow]

I honestly rlly like the new loading screen

Looks super clean

[zealous sedge]

That’s a good point. The log ins screen is really only up for like 3 seconds haha

[deep pawn]

Not fully updated yet but the effect is neat

[dense plover]

is this the mage portal?

[deep pawn]

yeah

it's only the Stormwind portal room for Alliance so far

only works with teleport

[dense plover]

huh

wonder what the exact goal is

[deep pawn]

to make it look like you're going through a portal

[dense plover]

oh its a screen effect?

thats interesting

wonder if theyll do the same thing for hearthstones

[deep pawn]

it's the loading screen.

[dense plover]

ah

does it have a loading bar?

[deep pawn]

nope

[dense plover]

interesting

[deep pawn]

oh wait, it does, I just haven't been noticing cause I've been taking the screenshot lol

so yeah, shows this then loading screen, my bad

too bad it can't fully replacing loading screens

[dense plover]

so i did a tier 2 bountiful delve at 80

base gear is 551, bountiful chest was 564

[deep pawn]

tier 2 is like nothing, that makes sense

I'm wagering +8s drop champ ilvl loot, on par with m0s

[dense plover]

im just documenting because theres only one tier of chest now

instead of blue and purple

just blue

[deep pawn]

ah

[dense plover]

they got rid of the rare keys - so its much more farmable

its just the blue keys, not the purple ones

they finished this screen

and prepatch date is sorta implied as before july 30th, with echoes starting then

i know we sorta knew that

but its still there

[ivory meadow]

is there a timeline for when PTR servers are coming back up?

[dense plover]

they should be back already

or theyre not bringing them back b/c theyre not testing anything right now

[solemn dagger]

Ah Alright got curious since I dont think ive seen 2 variants of the same set before

[dense plover]

its not a new thing

theyve done dress/pants versions of gear before

OH

sturdy chests in delve are single use

thats why they have so many resonance crystals

you find them one time and get the reward once

[dense plover]

this might only be the case for some of them

specifically the ones with gear or unique items like resonant crystals

[tropic trail]

I like how they improved the map.

[deep pawn]

fun, try to test a delve, brick a character

[deep pawn]

oh, hmm, delves might not be rewarding vault progress on the max level realm

pity

[warm topaz]

we could have soundtrack in the next beta build

for Dragonflight it was added 48 days before the expansion release

now there are 56 days left until TWW comes out

[tropic trail]

Nice, that means there will be pre patch any time soon.

[thin warren]

can't wait

[tropic trail]

Yeah 😂

[hollow tundra]

anybody have info on WPVP in War within?

[dense plover]

i dont think we are quite there yet

prepatch is probably a week before July 30th

since the login thingy says that the azeroth memories thing starts on july 30th

so July 23rd prepatch is very likely

with class and balance changes continuing until expac launch

[deep pawn]

They are iterating on talents later than they did for DF so who knows.

[plain violet]

And some visual effects aren't even done, or icons. 😁

[deep pawn]

They updated all trinket icons this build

[plain violet]

Yes! And I remarked some still lacking in the files..

[modest ice]

The sooner I get my frost dk changes the better

[dense plover]

frost dk has seen a ton of changes

what are you talking about?

[modest ice]

All of them

All the TWW ones

[dense plover]

oh

[modest ice]

The entirety of dk changes

[dense plover]

you mean you cant wait until they go live

[modest ice]

They’re all goated

[dense plover]

that was not clear

[modest ice]

Yeah

[dense plover]

i thought you were complaining about the changes which would be insane

[modest ice]

I feel like “the sooner I get the changes” is clear that I want the changes..?

regardless- it looks like im gonna be maining frost dk/blood dk and alting holy pal/ret pal

most likely

[deep pawn]

What she says if you time a key

[plain violet]

Nice!

[austere gazelle]

It may be a sentence she'll say in the raid. They did the same thing with Razsageth affix back then

[deep pawn]

It's not voiced yet I think, but may have missed it

If you fail the key she yells "Too late!" then laughs a bit which sounds like a death thing.

[austere gazelle]

Yeah I don't see them making a voice line juste for an affix that may change during the cycle of the expansion, it'll most probably be a voiceline from the raid re-used in mythic content

Or they may surprise us , who knows

[rose escarp]

Certainly sounds like a quote that a certain cloak (Voice of the Silent Star) would whisper to us. Was it ever really discussed who the entity was, that was whispering us?

[feral belfry]

@dense ploverHow is beta btw? Never tried logging on since that first week mess hehe.

[dense plover]

better

[deep pawn]

Maybe she says that as she transforms the Queen, but who knows.

[deep pawn]

@dense plover

non key loot from a +8 delve

seems way too low

[dense plover]

oh thats not right

thats the same as +2

thats gotta be a bug

[deep pawn]

delves are buggy on Eleven

they're not being tracked for vault progress

and I think Brann is losing his curios when you log out

[winged dagger]

From the secret finders discord.

[ember blaze]

nice

[warm topaz]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24107642/ride-the-tides-into-the-july-trading-post

[dense plover]

another minion?

damn - i hate that theyve stopped giving armor and weapons

new fish mount recolor?

ouch 800

also i really wish they would either lower the price of stuff or increase the amount of tender - i feel like i buy less each month

[zealous sedge]

I agree. After this last month I’ve only got a couple hundred tender left and I purchased epic edition which gave me an extra 1000. And I still have one mount frozen for a future purchase

Like if we could get a month where we have to complete an extra task to get an extra 500 I would do that

[dense plover]

same exact situation, except i only have 15 or 65 tender or something

i just want them to increase the amount by like 500 or 250

just permanently

or cut the prices back down

what happened to mounts being 600

and armor sets being at most 200

[silent urchin]

bout time we get blub, he got added to files in 10.1

mounts were always 800, if not 900

very first trading post had the celestial steed for 900

and a 750 pet

[deep pawn]

if that fish is steady only even after prepatch, I ain't buying it for 800

the diving suit is interesting

[tropic trail]

Cute 🥰

[elder seal]

Anyone tested is on Hallowfall?

Curious if that changes the colour of the stone.

Find that very unlikely cause hallowfall is not tied to normal day / night cycle of a map

But curious

Apparently it seems i can only copy my char data once to beta so i had to find one with timewarped badges to buy that again as i did not have it when i did the first copy.
EDIT: found one char with enough badges so giving it a spin now myself

No effect and no surprises there i suppose :P

[dense plover]

no way this will work

its not a sun

its a weather effect technically

[pulsar minnow]

not sure if this has been mentioned but for some reason Traders Post on beta is showing august rewards

[silent urchin]

Interesting

can't actually open the trading post, but the preview dummies have some items

[silent urchin]

oh there's a second mount area..

I just saw the repeats of sparklepony and cindermane charger

there goes me thinking it'd be a cheap month

[lone mantle]

[zealous sedge]

Awesome maps

It’s funny the maps looks like the zone would be small but I know the scale is just massive

[lone mantle]

Yes, I am extremely pleased with its appearance.

[uncut vault]

Man spellslinger goes so hard with the pink, I love it

[tropic trail]

Damn arcane mage 🧙‍♂️ gonna be epic

What is this arcane icicles above his head?

[uncut vault]

those are the main feature of Spellslinger

[tropic trail]

This is gonna be my main spec. 😂

[deep pawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1dqa7yt/something_very_very_strange_is_happening_in/

You guys see this on beta at all? I can't

[deep pawn]

That warglaive looks nice, hasn't been many red ones for DH

[elder seal]

Hey it was worth of a try. Blizzard works in odd ways!

Seems like Priory is gladly entirely forced into the light mode so i can do this now while waiting for FFXIV que for Dawntrail

[pulsar minnow]

Something interesting

Warcrafts Instagram page posted another joke video with turalyon and Alleria painting each other but it seems to have inadvertently revealed key art we haven’t seen yet

Looks very similar to Bayard Wu’s art style, him being the guy that makes all the key art anyways

[dense plover]

could be something they didnt end up using so they repurposed it

[pulsar minnow]

True but it’s still pretty cool, wish I could get the full art of it

Might end up dropping it for launch promo stuff

[warm topaz]

or maybe they will use it in the future

[warm topaz]

exactly

[upper pasture]

Might be in the art book? With the collectors edition?

[uncut vault]

looks like it was used at the pre-alpha media tour in london

so probably being saved for release press

[dense plover]

ah

[uncut vault]

there's also a xal'atath one on the same wall, apparently

[pulsar minnow]

Ah so it’s the equivalent of the ones for thrall and anduin

Wish they’d release those too

[uncut vault]

Yeah, iirc they did the same with DF

only released Alexstrasza and Wrathion at Blizzcon, then the other aspects at launch

[elder seal]

https://wowhead.com/quest=79160
Anyone else got idae how to do this one q ?

Apparently the guy does not seem to be here

Only this NPC around this area

seems to be bug tbh, reported ofc

[dense plover]

ive reported it

lots of people have

will probably be fixed soon

[elder seal]

👌

[vernal juniper]

how can you reach nrewnow 2 with threads

did a lot of quests, 1 pact, and nope can't reach it

[signal bone]

Have they tested the weekly events for the renown factions?

[silent urchin]

They're available, yes

[dense plover]

do the severed threads weekly stuff at 80

do the other weekly quest

do the weekly dungeon for severed threads

[vernal juniper]

I mean if I'm not wrong to do the archive quest you need to be 4+ in all renowns, for the impossible theory, what happens if I level 50 toons at 80 on 1st day and i do 50 pacts on 1st day? Do I reach max renown?

[dense plover]

renown is warband bound

you only get the majority of it once

[tropic trail]

Warband means all characters get same renown?

[upper pasture]

Yeah they are doing the weekly rewards like the time rift and Azeroth archives stuff you get the big reward on first completion then nothing or almost nothing on any completion afterwards

[deep pawn]

I am so excited for the shaman changes. And hopefully next weekends m+ testing isn't as punishing tuning wise

Head deep in Dawntrail this weekend though

[tropic trail]

Do we have more Infos yet ?

[warm topaz]

on shamsn changes?

they made a post this week saying that tey have been watching and shaman changes are coming next week

[rose escarp]

Hyped for it as well 🤗

[tropic trail]

Ah but nothing new what it exactly is . I am so impatiently 😂

[magic elm]

anybody else having problems to enter city of threads on m+ ?

[deep pawn]

Maybe they finally turned it off cause it keeps crashing

[warm topaz]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24104747/warcraft-short-story-trials

[warm topaz]

i really love it!

[plain violet]

Interesting!

[zealous sedge]

I really need to sit down and read these short stories

I’ve heard they are very good

[dusk dagger]

playing current class designs without weak auras

unless those machines have it already loaded up with that 😄

[deep pawn]

those spikes are back, but this time in org

[dense plover]

gotta be some spell mixup

[deep pawn]

maybe

I don't know what spec has those though

it's not the Evoker walls

[dense plover]

not a class spell

some kind of passive game spell thats wonked

[deep pawn]

Someone posted in reddit about this in Westfall

[tropic trail]

Azeroth wakes up. 😂

[austere gazelle]

Or they are testing the consequence of the end of the expack by putting stuff like that everywhere without revamping all the zone like cataclysm xD

[glass flicker]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/anduin-gets-a-facelift-on-the-war-within-beta-updated-model-smooths-sharp-chin-343978?webhook

Dang! And here I was imagining the Fall of the Lich King cinematic with Deathwing instead of Arthas, and Anduin instead of Tirion.

"The weight of such chin... it must be mine, for there is no other to-..."

[little hound]

Anduin before facelift:

https://tenor.com/view/crimson-gif-5051678

after:

https://tenor.com/view/prince-charming-shrek-gif-11314043

[deep pawn]

Beta servers down yet?

[silent urchin]

yup

might have been for a while

[deep pawn]

I'd love to try new ele before work

[deep pawn]

5pm, oops, overtime for the turnip

[dense plover]

we have had builds as late as 8pm tbh

so if it isnt today, its gotta be tomorrow since theyre doing testing for the raid

[deep pawn]

I remember him being there at 7pm all for announcing Plunderstorm or something

[deep pawn]

Build should be soon. Kaivax just posted there's a sky fury bug that'll be fixed tomorrow

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAe4_y0J_Ek

yoooooooo

[dense plover]

part of it

not all of it

[warm topaz]

is not complete btw

[dense plover]

its only 2:30

[warm topaz]

ye

no more music in this build i guess

sadly

[candid ruin]

the music holyyyyy

[dense plover]

this is just the start

mean we can expect music over the next few weeks

[pulsar minnow]

Jesus that login screen theme is way better than I ever could have imagined

Music is so fucking epic god damn

[deep pawn]

Music should be in the next two builds if we're 3 weeks from prepatch

Next week could have our season ending warning

[pulsar minnow]

This development cycle flew by this time around. I can only hope launch goes well

If they can land this launch I’m really excited for the rest of the saga

[deep pawn]

It didn't just fly, it's the shortest ever. They beat DFs record

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah it’s insane

[deep pawn]

If prepatch is July 23 that's two weeks shorter for prepatch testing than DF.

[pulsar minnow]

They’ve stepped things up into overdrive. I’ve barely had the time to mess around with beta and we’re, as you said, like 3 weeks off from pre patch

[tepid fiber]

YO

This feels so good

Like I usually shit on nostalgia but I'm feeling this music in my bones right now

[warm topaz]

people going crazy bc the login screen

[tepid fiber]

It's the lil things, chicken wing

[warm topaz]

i think it could be better of course

[tepid fiber]

This is the cool side of the pillow right here

[warm topaz]

but people is just too dramatic

[tepid fiber]

Man let people like stuff

[warm topaz]

i do, i actually like the login screen

[upper pasture]

I was skeptical of the log in screen but now with the music I’m sold. Even if this is incomplete or version 1.0 this is good

[deep pawn]

the log in screen starts with some weird bass undertone lol

[dense plover]

warband hover shows gold amount now

also doesnt seem like the 'new' music is actually implemented, which just confirms that it isnt finished

they increased the number of active world quests, thank god

they added the raid structure to the expac map

the cave icon provides a way to track but still access the other map

icons can now be UNTRACKED

finally

only WQs worked before

restored coffer keys are purple now

awakening the machine has an icon and can be tracked

you can also once again open the adventure guide from the zone map

this quest has been redone

this week has an option to complete a dungeon on normal or higher

they massively increased the size of the air currents - this is more important for going up from azj-kahet but its helpful everywhere

cursed pickaxe description updated so that even when transmogged the effect works

item level recommendations are back and adjusted

no longer says beginner or intermediate, etc

now mentions additional traps and challenges

theres now a sound when you switch what idol brann has, and it shows when you have new idols

theres a radiant echo quest item the first time you get one - i assume this is some kind of tutorialization

massive cleanup here - actually looks right now

idk why it says 5/10

they broke something

this might be a trap

says secret treasure and is spouting void

lol it let me use touch of death to kill the boss

amazing

treasure room redone - chests more spread out and not under the copter anymore

this is new

@deep pawn idk if youre gonna like this or not, only got gear from the locked chest - but it was ilvl 571 adventurer

so actually kinda decent?

[dense plover]

they also increased the range - i think its MAYBE supposed to be veteran and not adventruer tbh

this menu has been simplified

pop-in lag in dornogal is less awful

this guy in the slums sells cosmetics now

severed thread pacts are made once a week across your warband now - so you cant farm the rep across all of your characters - a good choice imo

weaver still fucking sucks

because weave rats are impossible

theyre just insanely frustrating

i cant believe theyre still in this state

[deep pawn]

adventurer loot is pointless

[ornate lily]

hey, I saw the latest changes about the Druid

but I don't quite understand

Convoke the Spirits will now prefer to cast Ferocious Bite or Feral Frenzy on your current target, if valid.

If there is only a single target, will it release more bites or frenzy?

[dense plover]

i think its a bug

supposed to be veteran

it hits veteran ilvls

[deep pawn]

no, looks right, it stops 4 ilvls short of champ

veteran stops 4 ilvls before heroic.

[tropic trail]

Sneaky little voidlings always betray 😂

[austere gazelle]

Oy yeah this one is common. Met him almost on every Delve I did

[silent urchin]

season 1 again didn't actually start on beta

Dunno if they plan to test it at this rate

really hard to tell if any of the max level content tuning is anywhere near sensible without it though

NPC crafting orders now show rewards, although it's kinda broken and giving errors

but they all give bonus knowledge

seems like max concentration was doubled as well

lmao enchanted crest NPC work orders that require you to provide the crests

yeah definitely worth the 60 gilded (mythic) crests

[scarlet ridge]

pretty sure I've broke it, 1 fps cinematic ha

[plain violet]

"Do you have any games on your phone?"

[scarlet ridge]

ha, this is so tiny

[mighty wolf]

tiny G'Huuny

[lone mantle]

[warm topaz]

we should get the first 2.5D cinematic next week right?

the first of Dragonflight came out October 25th

@lone mantle thoughts on the music of the login screen?

[rose escarp]

Pretty cool that the player position is visible on the map here, would be great if that was a thing for all "levels" of maps (pretty sure it's not at the moment?).

[hazy kettle]

eyo wtf, I THOUGHT THE MURAL WAS JUST SOME FREELANCE ART - not part of the game itself!

[scarlet ridge]

didn't have time to explore the area due to the literal 1 fps while there, I reported it as a bug as the moment I was out it went back to max fps, so not sure what's going on in that area

[hazy kettle]

FPS... Hmm, yeah, got no clue. :X Very nice to see it's in game tho!

[dense plover]

That’s the wowhead loot addon

[scarlet ridge]

I'll try and go back to the area and get you a better photo

[harsh mason]

mommy

mother

mom

mothering

sorry

[scarlet ridge]

can't get back in there sadly

[hazy kettle]

All good my dood.

[silent urchin]

huh, PTR update, and a different build to beta

[magic elm]

anybody know where to get cards to make darkmoon trinkeds ?

[dense plover]

at least some come from fishing

theres a specific pool - ive only seen it in hallowfall but it could be in others

[magic elm]

on server it these go to eleven ? you can fish ?

[dense plover]

just press the button

with the mouse

and aim at the bad things

try dismounting, abandoning the quest and picking it up again

the fuck?

abandon the quest dude - sometimes quests bug

its a freaking beta

ITS BUGGED

IM TRYING TO HELP YOU

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=what+does+bugged+mean%3F

im done

youre blocked

<@&299347348847329281> we have a troll

[little hound]

Hope we get a Pre-Patch date soon..

[deep pawn]

You can get back to that mural by doing the city of threads dungeon.

It's the last boss room

[dense plover]

afaik its also out in the world

[deep pawn]

Probably. Blizzard likes over world dungeons when they can

[scarlet ridge]

highly random, anyone else disconnecting/error while mounting the grand expedition yak?

[hollow dagger]

How are tanks shaping up? Everyone equal?