beta-ptr-spoilers

[deep pawn]

Early access is technically the 23 at midnight CET

[zealous sedge]

Metzen really did not lie at blizzcon about shorter times between content releases

[candid ruin]

its 22nd at 3Pm PDT

[deep pawn]

Yes and the expansion releases the 25th pdt

[candid ruin]

26.. 3pm PDT

[deep pawn]

Okay, when they say the 26th they usually mean the midnight release on Europe my bad

[austere gazelle]

that mean that maybe the ilvl you got in remix will carry out in retail... forcing ppl to DO upgrade their gear, and explaining why it cost so much... cause it'll be a bit higher that what you can achieve on retail atm...

[deep pawn]

On ptr you were converted to current boost ilvl

[austere gazelle]

if that's the case, then it'll suck to make a remix char into retail cause you'll have no way to farm for your gear

[candid ruin]

You have two weeks to gear before season 1

[austere gazelle]

but not for leveling

which could slow you down

and atm on beta the gear is not flowing during the quest...

[candid ruin]

you need gear to level??

[zealous sedge]

I know we are 2.5 months away from release but Aug 26th feels aggressive. Beta isn’t bad but there are still a ton of fixes to be made. Also still sone talents (hunter) that need to be changed and tested.

[austere gazelle]

Don't lie to me, having an higher ILVL drastically make the leveling easier, you basically dont need to change you gear till level 78

[dense plover]

thats plenty of time - the majority of the content is in and mostly functional

[candid ruin]

new bundle

[zealous sedge]

I think blizz is just gonna send us a cache of 480 gear no? The gear that players have in remix way OP at the top end. All the gear is gonna change since the stats are unique to remix.

[rain cave]

keep in mind any builds we get are nowhere near where they are at now

[candid ruin]

easier sure but you def don't need high ilvl gear to level, esp during the first two weeks where you won't be soloing anything just tag and let someone else kill it

[rain cave]

beta isn't a direct line to their current development

usually at least a couple months behind, if not more sometimes

[clear apex]

So...prepatch seems like it'll be short maybe

[austere gazelle]

that was never my leveling experience though. I mostly soloed every mob I needed to kill

[rain cave]

also at least we've got a very clear vision for this xpac, since they wereusing dragonflight to create a strong base

[deep pawn]

Prepatch is probably what, July 30. That gives just 3 more weeks for talent iteration and they are a mess

[rain cave]

no creative hotpotato going on for the next xpacs

[deep pawn]

This feels extremely premature

[austere gazelle]

We agree.

That's why some classes are very sceptical on the " give us your feedback we'll make change "
That make the change a little less likely to happen now

[candid ruin]

everyone reroll ret and be happy

[rain cave]

not been following beta stuff atm, are there some peeps in dire straits talent wise?

[candid ruin]

hunters

[rain cave]

I know shamans are struggling, and hunters yeah

never going to understand the decision to make dark ranger beastmastery

[candid ruin]

I think rogues are also unhappy

[deep pawn]

Rogue hero talents suck

[rain cave]

I think the issue is they should just allow themselves to be more creative with it

[deep pawn]

Shaman got 0 changes in alpha

[rain cave]

then try to balance it back

like fatebound rogue has a cool premise, but because the coin flip happens largely out of your control passively it's kinda strange

[rugged kindle]

Aug 26th

Time to put in a PTO request

[zealous sedge]

The trailer is so dope. Love the part with the World soul and Xal

[candid ruin]

put in PTO for the 27th

[rugged kindle]

true LOL

[austere gazelle]

Dh could need creative touch... And some art review...

[rain cave]

also did anyone else see the glimmers of the titan prison around the world soul

like the last titan logo

[rugged kindle]

launches on the 26th... finally playable on the 27th

[rain cave]

DH's talents are strange

reading them sounded to me like "the dynamic cool one" and "the stats one that will only be run if it's better numerically"

[austere gazelle]

Well I picked my all tree on the beta, all it did it just add passive stuff, more green effect ( sometime ) and change icon of my spell when I meta. Feels Heroic.. OR NOT

[rain cave]

as opposed to 2 flavourful things that you could justify playing as a playstyle

like if you look at mage, all 3 are heir own unique playstyles even if spellslinger is like mage+

[austere gazelle]

yeah but since BFA if shows that they lack inspiration or motivation to make interesting change to the DH. The S3 change were the most positive stuff we had since Legion, but our heroic talent tree are.. bland and boring

[rugged kindle]

Did the hunter stuff drop yet or is that in a few days

[rain cave]

wheres some other hero talents just feel like number adjustments to existing abilities instead of new interactions

[rain cave]

I understand it's difficult to evolve DH because people pick them for a reason, and they don';t want to forget that. But they can still do some coolthings

like a DH looking into void stuff, glaive stuff (we already have), demon soul stuff

the soul scythe thing

[rugged kindle]

They lack inspiration/imagination on all spell fronts... Look at SoD for instance most if not all spells are just taken from newer xpacs and put int vanilla.

Other than when they release a whole new class most classes have been using the same spells since WoTLK in the grand scheme of things.

[rain cave]

part of me wonders if they're aiming to expand hero talents as xpacs go on

as in add new ones

[rugged kindle]

Doubt it

[rain cave]

but that could become a balance n ightmare

[rugged kindle]

The way its set up in the talent tree dosent really leave room to expand it

[rain cave]

could always do a thing where in midnight everyone gets a light/void themed one for all specs

[austere gazelle]

Yeah but look at the Warlock and such, they can summon demon from antorus, dk get the ride of the apocalypse as summon... That feels heroic.
They could have made DH more interesting like an heroic spec " Illidari commander " where you can order the fel hammer to blast an area, or skill summoning fellow named illidari ( temporary ) etc etc

[rugged kindle]

Doing something with the fel portals from DH starting area would have been dope yea.

[rain cave]

but I doubt it yeah

[austere gazelle]

We just have passive talent without any visual impact , but icon change

that's some wow effect right there I guess

[rugged kindle]

That is what blood dk is as well

nothing major

[rain cave]

I'm curious to see what they'll do it a hero talent tree is just not liked by their players

[rugged kindle]

just passives

[rain cave]

would they straight up make a new hero talent tree to replace a bad one

in a new xpac

[rugged kindle]

I think overall this xpac is looking to be good, but that can be said about every xpac when its in its pre-pre-patch era

[deep pawn]

This doesn't feel ready for prepatch in 7 weeks

[zealous sedge]

Well it’s coming whether you like it or not

As MrPeach said beta is a few build behind internal testing

[deep pawn]

They said that in df too and we saw how some specs launched and m+

[zealous sedge]

Hmm I wasn’t here for launch of DF I can’t comment

[deep pawn]

If any spec is told sorry you have to wait for 11.1 for their much needed rework they need to hire more combat design team members

[zealous sedge]

I will admit the testing I did on radiant echoes the other day and every part was broken/ needed tuning which makes me a little worried but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.

I agree with the class tuning/changes/rework criticisms but I think it’s just one of those things that’s always gonna be an issue for atleast 1 segments of players for each class/spec/role. Will never make everyone happy. Though I do feel the pain of hunters and shaman. We still have time though.

[austere gazelle]

it's the 11.0 stuff for the prepatch, trust me if I say it'll be the first thing fixed cause if it release in one month it gotta be polished

[deep pawn]

They have 5-6 weeks til release candidate

I'm penciling in July 30 prepatch.

If they lock talents without fixing shaman I will be furious.

[digital badge]

why i have to swap to dx11 when i loggin to fix fps?

[cosmic beacon]

still not able to copy characters from live?

[candid ruin]

you can

[pure trail]

I cannot copy characters for some reason

[candid ruin]

which realm

[cosmic beacon]

was trying on the level 80 one

[candid ruin]

You can't

[cosmic beacon]

just wanting to check if my elite weapons from s2/3 can be collected on shaman

[candid ruin]

You can copy to the other realms but not the level 80 one

[cosmic beacon]

will check it out ty

[candid ruin]

np

[clear apex]

Should work on alleria

[deep pawn]

AMD GPU?

[digital badge]

nvidia 4070ti super

[deep pawn]

Hmm, I've mostly heard of AMD cards having issues with dx12 and WoW, but if it's working to swap to dx11 I'd just do it

[digital badge]

i mean i swap to dx11 and come back to dx12

[deep pawn]

That I don't know then

[clear apex]

Hmm I've got a 4070 an no fps issues overall

Usually only dips during flying but doesn't happen on live server

[rain cave]

FPS is cursed in WoW

since it's so CPU bound but also unoptimized

even on a 5800x, and a 4080, I still dip to around 30 in crowded places

almost never get above 120 I think

[pulsar minnow]

I’m running a 7800x3D and a 3060 ti and I’m not having too much of an issue with stuttering

That said I play in 1440 at 165 fps target with graphics settings on the 7 preset but some settings lowered down

Hopefully just a beta being goofy kinda thing

[cosmic beacon]

i hope sanlayn gets changed

but the new animations look so good

[thin warren]

Got mail from Blizzard, lol "YOUR BETA ACCESS CODE WILL ARRIVE ON or BEFORE 6/12"

(Collectors edition)

[candid ruin]

Will never understand why that wasn't the default for every collectors edition lmao

[clear apex]

Silly that it wasn't

[clear apex]

How high are your settings?

I'm on high everything and get about 130-145 all the time and only dip to about 50 in the worst of places.

On beta is been a little crappier, but still fine (except flying).
i7 10k with a 4070 on an ssd

[molten niche]

wonder when pre patch will be

[clear apex]

Likely july

[zealous sedge]

I feel like pre patch will be shorter than we are used to. Based on beta testing the event is really quick to complete unless they some other things up there sleeve that isn’t being widely tested.

[clear apex]

Can you even do the visions prepatch on beta?

I got to the point to do it but it didn't tell me where to go

[zealous sedge]

Is radiant echoes not the pre patch event?

[clear apex]

Yeah that thing

[zealous sedge]

Yeah you can test it. It’s very buggy tho

[clear apex]

Ah OK. I got to the end of the quest then it gave me portals but nothing indicating really what to do after or if anything was up

[zealous sedge]

But idk it’s not the most content filled event, which I’m not necessarily mad about. Will still be doing remix around that time anyways

[clear apex]

I'm struggling on deciding to do remix or help test beta

[zealous sedge]

Same here

I got a little burned out on remix I haven’t played in over a week

[clear apex]

I got most of what i wanted but still have alts to get through

[zealous sedge]

But I’ve barely collected anything so I’m gonna go back. Part of me is waiting for some bronze buffs then I’ll knock it out

[clear apex]

I was less concerned with getting power and just collecting mogs and mounts

I got one 38k mount, and some mogs

Beta feels a little slow now. No super fast running

[cosmic beacon]

sanlayn for unholy looks and feels cool

but vamp strike is way too strong

so hoping that gets dialed a bit and they change the hero talents so u arent spamming 1 button for the duration of your cooldowns

[thin warren]

also possible they launch prepatch to give us the warbands and start the event at a later time

[rain cave]

highish, not maxxed out

idk why my WoW performs so bad

[deep pawn]

That's already likely

[tepid fiber]

It's not just Blizzard, a lot of game companies are rushing stuff. Even Bethesda put out an apology for doing a content update and season end so soon

It's already bad enough that dickhead MBA-having techbros convinced suits to pay too much money on AI bullshit, so there's already that gunking up the normal process on a bunch of levels while they force its utilization in whatever form so the investment wasn't wasted

[tulip sun]

I'm not sure I'd call it rushed. We have. Pretty constant stream of new content us nice.

And the quality is pretty good

[tepid fiber]

I mean we're getting it at a faster and more frequent pace than before, right?

I didn't say anything about the quality

I was speaking of the frequency

[tulip sun]

Saying it is rushed usually means not so great

[deep pawn]

So, let's do some more DF beta comparisons. Raid testing there went from 9/29 to 10/14, with prepatch on 10/25. If I go back from the likely 7/30 prepatch that means 7/4-7/19...

no that doesn't work cause of the July 4th weekend

[tepid fiber]

I say what I mean and mean what I say

[tulip sun]

Hmmk.

[tepid fiber]

Sorry, I don't type between lines, I type on the lines

[tulip sun]

OK, being a dick isn't needed.

[tepid fiber]

?

[deep pawn]

I'm stunned that after DF beta was considered a bit short they managed to beat that by a week.

[tepid fiber]

I'm not trying to project a tone on what I'm typing, I'm sorry if you feel like I'm being a dick. You misunderstood what I said so I'm clarifying it for you so we're on the same page

[tulip sun]

Gumball, ok. But you gotta realize when you say stuff like those two sentences above it comes off in a certain way.

[tepid fiber]

And I'm sorry you took it that way, that's why I took the additional time to explain what I meant when you reacted poorly

Unless you prefer to assume I'm intentionally acting like a dick

[tulip sun]

OK gumball.

[deep pawn]

Your very blunt manner comes across as rude. I know you don't mean it that way but it does. Especially in text which lacks a lot of tone people rely on to communicate.

People also don't immediately think the way you do and read words the same way

[tepid fiber]

Yes that's why I explained what I was saying lmao

Because communication is more important than jumping to conclusions

That's why we communicate

[deep pawn]

you communicate a bit different than most.

[tepid fiber]

Yes, directly

[clear apex]

Gumball is def the sugar free variety. He's like spicy cinnamon

[tepid fiber]

And I'm not even the one who told another person they were being a dick

[rain cave]

gumball I think the thing with the way you type is that even though being blunt is at its core truthful, I think the way you type is like always hard

since not everyone types super bold and hard all the time ig it comes off as intense

like you don't want to discuss niceties just state things

(not me trying to be rude just trying to pin it down)

which is fair enough, if you're not here to make friends but just give feedback and inform on things, but I think there's a sizeable group here who also like to huddle around and just discuss what's going on, what could be, what's being teased, generally riff on whats going on in beta/ptr, etc

so different gorups

anyway I saw that video bellular put out where he read the book that says pure cosmic forces tend to bind to one or more elements in order to manifest in reality

which is a pretty interesting explanation for void lords not being able to manifest, and why the titans have a elements/associations with other stuff

could also be fun to add some more flavour if they expand or introduce new hero specs ;p

since I'm curious what they'll do for midnight, will they add more talents to each base tree or hero tree?

could be fun to get a voidy mage hero spec, or at least some kind of voidy spell effects to mix with your arcane/frost

[sullen creek]

So there is now ay to buy the epic edition and hold the 30 day play time off till August?

i rather not play the crap now (not a fan of DF)

[rain cave]

buy it in august ig

[sullen creek]

i wanted to try beta too 😄

guess no way to win all ways

[rain cave]

could play remix lmao

but yeah fair play

[sullen creek]

i guess maybe I can get it now and play beta. and use the active game time to make gold for tokens. altho i honestly dunno how to make gold

all my current gold is from that legion phone app 😄

[zealous sedge]

Random, but, as we launch TWW and Midnight comes into the forefront on this channel, can we all agree on the same abbreviation. I can’t be bothered to type all 8 letters. My vote goes to MNT

I might be trolling slightly

[upper pasture]

MID

[zealous sedge]

I can see the memes now

[upper pasture]

It was MID 😅

[tiny stream]

I think it will be MN

[upper pasture]

MN works well too tbh

[deep pawn]

Mid

[clear apex]

Tww mid tlt

Perfect

[zealous sedge]

This is gonna sound a kind of dumb but I hope blizz doesn’t make TWW and MN TOO good because expectations for TLT will be so high. Might end up in a GoT or Sopranos blowback for the “ending” haha

[clear apex]

[tiny stream]

Look after how Destiny wrapped up their saga....The Last Titan better be the greatest expansion ever made

I'm so jealous of all the destiny fans right now.

[clear apex]

I didn't play endwalker so i can't say anything about how they wrapped up that saga

*ff14

[zealous sedge]

I haven’t played destiny in years but I’ve heard good things about the recent xpac. Wonder what bungie will do next but that’s off topic

[tepid fiber]

No matter what they do, someone will complain about it anyway

[zealous sedge]

True

[uncut vault]

in all honestly folks will probably just call it Midnight outside of the MID joke

xpacs like Legion don't get abbreviated and even Shadowlands most people just type it out lol

[tiny stream]

Apparently we learn tomorrow.

[tropic trail]

Or simply MT 😅

But MID is probably better

[tepid fiber]

It's definitely going to be TWW, Midnight, and TLT

When talking about it

But yeah, the Mid Expansion derogatively

[upper pasture]

It is also the middle expansion so MID also works in that regard too

[rain cave]

MN makes sense to me

but could also just be an xpac we don't abreviate

like legion

[dense plover]

usually the abbreviated ones are multiworld

wrath, tbc, mop, wod, legion, bfa, sl, df

legion was a one name

wrath was the first word

i suspect it will just be midnight

[deep pawn]

we did Cata

[clear apex]

I like mdn kinda but doubt that would catch on

Mnt makes me think of mountain

[tepid fiber]

Mountain Dew expansion

Oh wait nvm that was Legion

[uncut lintel]

the red one is BIS

[tiny stream]

Has anyone noticed that most of the dorn side quests end with teasers for more to come?

[tepid fiber]

OG or Pitch Black every time

[tiny stream]

So many quests end with teasers and feel like part 1's. One quest ends with "Well now we have more questions than answers. Let's keep investigating"

[clear apex]

I've seen a lot about post msq side quests

Faster leveling, more lore after it seems

[subtle oar]

Why? Their game is not good and the end is mid at best

[tiny stream]

The Final Shape is special. I don't think Destiny is the greatest GaaS, but The Final Shape is actually really special

[subtle oar]

Meh

[cosmic beacon]

Final shape looks decent

Especially after the most recent dlc being kinda bad

[tiny stream]

One of the treasures is obtained by doing a hybrid of a Pipe/water pressure puzzle (rotate the pipes to line up the water) with a slide puzzle.

GENUINELY really cool innovation

[dense plover]

if its the one im thinking, its JUST a slide puzzle

you dont rotate the pipes

[tiny stream]

I know, but it's stll really cool

And keeps that vibe with trying to find a valid pathway

[austere gazelle]

early access confirmed on thursday for EU too at 00:00 ? ( its always confusing with their global release )

[harsh wedge]

Should be, night between thursday and friday at midnight cest

[austere gazelle]

yean indeed

[scarlet ridge]

aww he's so cute

[tropic trail]

Angry mushroom 🍄

[elder seal]

Finally got the very first quest screenshot done. now to be stuck on second for ages to find are empty enough

just give me an option to toggle other players off pls

[sullen creek]

for me gonna be hard to choose a main between arcane mage and ww monk in TWW, they made both specs so smooth and fun. I hope they do somethin glike that to Ele/Enh sham

[cosmic beacon]

No shaman announcements so

I think it’s the only class to not have announced changes

And we already got tww release date

[austere gazelle]

Dont worry you'll have a fix in TWW s3 and a nerf two weeks after, same stuff happened with DH in DF beta

[sullen creek]

i hate how it plays with electrfifying shocks adn tbh i hate any class that has to spam ground target for its aoe

[rain cave]

feels to me like shaman should have gotten some different flavours of hero specs

like elemental themed ones aside from stormbringer

a frost shaman, flame shaman

or even an earth thing

[cosmic beacon]

personally ele is at its best when you use a mix of all of them

recently ele has been ur either full lightning or ur full fire

with very little inbetween

but thats cause the spec tree is terrible

[rain cave]

would be nice to have more ice thrown in

there was frostfury but that was a weird janky feeling bandaid thing

even if the concept was cool

[sullen creek]

yeah i really dislike icefury and electfied shocks lol

maybe just have a passive where frost shock does a lot of dmg after xyz

[rain cave]

I think they should just give them more frost spells

or atleast the option to flavour into it

like a choice node between 2 similar spells but one is frosty one is fiery

or some kind of ability like elemental blast but it rotates through elements

idk

just feels weird to have "master of the elements" be just fire and lightning for 90% of your spells vfx

because even earthshock and earthquake feel underwhelming

ig they don't want to overlap with frost mages too much, but there could definetly be a higher focus on the raw freezing power/ snow storms instead of the piercing frost that mages have

[sullen creek]

WEll either way im not too worried ww monk and arcane mage lookin so sweet

and all 3 warlock specs lit too

[deep pawn]

Lava Burst and Pyroblast coexist just fine

[ember blaze]

kind of a hard theme to try and make work

i think something like evoker would be better

where a spec focuses on two

tho i get elemental is supposed to use all elements

but how do you meaningfully fit all 4 in one spec

[deep pawn]

enh does it fairly well except it ignores the physical right now

which I'm not fond of from a melee perspective

[ember blaze]

idk anything about enhance

[ember blaze]

what does well mean tho

is it like preservation where green and bronze are very obviously core

but red is kinda minor

they technically use 3 schools, but green and bronze are obviously the main part of the spec

[deep pawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VfBLZ34dvzy9YH6g#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=16

here's a random enh log

[ember blaze]

so enhance is a better elemental master than elemental?

[deep pawn]

only if they can completely ignore stormstrike and windfury weapon haha

[rain cave]

yeah but they fill 2 different visual niches for fiery spells

[austere gazelle]

is there a details version that doesnt pop LUA error every seconds? xD

on beta

[rain cave]

lava burst is very liquidy, has flecks of molten rock in it because it's lava, whereas fire mage just throws pure fire at people

my point is that it's harder to find a different visual niche for a frosty shaman to separate from frost mage :p

also frost DK exists

[deep pawn]

try the most recent build on wago, other than that use the console command to disable lua errors showing

[rain cave]

you could kinda bridge the gap, frost DK has a lot of snowy blizzardy stuff as well but is melee

so a frosty shaman set of spells could focus on the literal freezing power of the elements

as opposed to throwing frostbolts at people like a mage

if mages strength is conjuration, shamans could be alteration

tbf there's high potential for doing a shaman build around damage types, like if you combind frost and lava it cools to make obsidian, and then shatters for more damage when you earth shock

stuff like that

[deep pawn]

one of the more subtle changes this beta is if you try to equip two new rings at once, it won't just replace the first one both times

I think it tries to replace lower ilvl rings trinkets first

[sullen creek]

looks like a piano spec

so glad they fixed that for WW

[deep pawn]

raid testing thursday

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/nerub-ar-palace-raid-testing-schedule/1874090

[silent urchin]

No testing at all for Ansurek, neat

[upper pasture]

isn't that how they've done the last two tiers?

[silent urchin]

yeah

fyrakk at least

but continuing it is good

[upper pasture]

pretty sure they did sark too no?

Either way tho, no outside testing on final bosses is great

[deep pawn]

I'm mixed, it hasn't gone THAT well in DF

mythic rasz and Fyrakk were buggy messes

[tropic trail]

I guess they won’t post ending cinematic right?

That would be too easy

[warm topaz]

since Jailer

[warm topaz]

fyrakk wasn't that bad

Rasz was a shit show

in Mythic at least

[lone mantle]

No, that is too soon.

[deep pawn]

oh hey

warband conversion stress testing

ptr testing really begins in 7 days I guess

[silent urchin]

I wonder if they've fixed the bug that mails you thousands of the bloody head enchant quest item when you import a character

cause I bet that stresses the servers

[deep pawn]

pvp with the blues too

[candid ruin]

damn can't even do heroic dungeons until season 1 lmaoo

[upper pasture]

those new affixes.....are.....uh....

[candid ruin]

Starting with Season 1 of The War Within, Heroic dungeon difficulty will feature our roster of seasonal dungeons.

what the fuck

[silent urchin]

why would they leave bolstering in

and bursting

[candid ruin]

wait lmaoo you can't do the new dungeons on heroic unless they're in season one?? what is blizzard doing man

[silent urchin]

I'm hoping heroic and m0 remain available for the new dungeons, it's kinda unclear on that

[candid ruin]

yeah idk if they're meaning to say that the older dungeons are also being added to heroics or only season 1 dungeons are playable on heroic

[upper pasture]

the new affixes seem to promote bringing a certain class each week which is less than desirable.

[silent urchin]

I'm curious what the balance of mana having vs not mana having mobs is

I've never really paid attention before

thorns on all non mana mobs feels like it's just gonna remove some classes from that week

[candid ruin]

so we can only play 4 of the new dungeons higher than normal in season 1

lmaooooo

i hate blizzard so much man

[rain cave]

I mean hasn't heroic just been rebalanced to be m0

and also story mode exists

[deep pawn]

Blizzard is idiotic with these m+ changes

[candid ruin]

can still do m0 of the dragonflight dungeons no matter the seasonal rotation

[rain cave]

so instead of: Levelling spamming the same dungeons -> gearing at max level in the same dungeons -> get into heroics of the same dungeons

[deep pawn]

the 4 new affixes need to be thrown out right damn now

[rain cave]

you would do story mode for the quests whilst levelling, then do them at max level probably at normal

then get to play different dungeons when you're gearing heroic

but also didn't they say heroics are coming with season launch, not xpac launch?

[silent urchin]

Dunno

they explicitly say M0 isn't available prior to S1

but they don't for heroic

[crisp steeple]

Does anyone know how Arms War feel on Beta atm?

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Wowhead/status/1800281131226456525

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead) on X

The Bolstering, Bursting and Sanguine affixes will be returning in War Within Season 1.

#WarWithin #Warcraft

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Twitter · Jun 10, 2024, 9:37 PM

lmao

wowhead knows what they are doing posting that

[silent urchin]

I mean it's the same reaction most people will have had

[upper pasture]

Tbh sang isn’t that bad of an affix

[cosmic beacon]

After the hefty nerfs it’s fine

[upper pasture]

Blostering/bursting suck tho

[cosmic beacon]

I just wish they made the current affixes give bonuses for dealing with them

Kinda like what they’re trying to do with the new ones

Maybe bolstering enemies take more damage per stack

[upper pasture]

I’m sad incorp/afflicted as leaving

Those were super easy to deal with

[cosmic beacon]

Both kinda suck alot to pug

Especially with specs that can’t do anything to them

[upper pasture]

Yeah, I usually do my M+ in guild

[cosmic beacon]

Like Dk and warrior

I usually play with friends or guildies

But I know a lot complain about the affixes

Especially warrior mains

[upper pasture]

Idk, these new affixes seems to be way worse than incorp/afflict

[deep pawn]

I'm usually one of the most okay with changing things but you do not EFFING favor certain damage types on a weekly rotation

It's the most tone deaf crap they've ever tried to pull

[upper pasture]

Instead of other classes being able to help “carry” warriors through afflicted we will just not want melee for thorns week

[deep pawn]

"sorry, we need an arcane mage and a balance druid only this week"

[upper pasture]

Yeah, they need to change them from specific damage types to like just “do the thing get a damage increase” or something similar

[silent urchin]

meanwhile, classes that do chaos damage..

[cosmic beacon]

Im sure they’ll change the affixes cause blizz are cooked thinking they are good upsides

[upper pasture]

Unless they make some sort of change to M+ that your score is now account wide and not character specific

[warm topaz]

if the feedback is so negative they will change them

but im curious to see how they would work

[dense plover]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-warband-conversion-june-12/1874141

[little hound]

[candid ruin]

The War Within dungeon testing begins on PTR realms this week. The test period will begin today Thursday June 13th at 10:00 PDT (13:00 EDT, 19:00 CEST)

come on team, its the second sentence

Blizzard living 3 days in the future

[deep pawn]

Ptr realms?

[candid ruin]

Yeah PTR will be up June 12th

[deep pawn]

Why test m+ on ptr realms, they've never done that before

[candid ruin]

maybe they see it as putting M+ on beta would be pay to win or soemthing, blizzard tends to do things that don't make sense like loading the stash tab of every player in an area in D4

or adding affixes that make people only want to bring a certain class that week

or putting Siege of Boralus back into M+ rotation

lots of nonsense going on

[deep pawn]

Or it was a typo

[candid ruin]

it does say "test period will begin today so yeah maybe ANOTHER typo

[silent urchin]

Server restarts, maybe some new hotfixes

[upper pasture]

maybe it's because of the warband stuff and they want to collect as much data on how that would work since you can copy your characters on the ptr and account data they are putting it there so people will unintentionally help with testing that stuff at the same time

[silent urchin]

or just turning it off and on again so performance improves

almost done with ringing deeps, doing all side quests, and some way into level 79

so there's plenty of xp out there

although side quests on dorn cap at 73 and in deeps cap at 75, and I dunno if that's intentional

so that could be even more xp

[deep pawn]

the more I've sat on the m+ change post the more disappointed I am after having fun in season 4.

It sucks they think getting mythic track gear without dealing with on death affixes was too easy, but I was enjoying the dungeons being the damn dungeons

[signal bone]

servers off until the 12th?

[dense plover]

no

theyre either restarting or putting out a build

beta wont go down for more than a handful of hours unless something breaks

[silent urchin]

It said restarting but it's been about an hour

But still expecting it to return sometime soon

[dense plover]

restarts can take a few hours sometimes

depends why theyre restarting

[tulip sun]

It's a bit late for a build I suppose

[deep pawn]

how long ago did they add animations for bows using the special arrows on them?

[tulip sun]

There wasn't a vendor build was she?

[dense plover]

there has been since beta yeah

[signal bone]

On another topic, I started playing the beta earlier today. Do we know if the zones are finished? Isle of Dorn seems incredibly barren when flying around from a visual perspective. Feels almost a couple expacts behind compared to other zones we've had.

[dense plover]

its not barren

it isnt one biome

theres forests and plains and forests

its very simple yes

thats intentional - its meant to provide a stark contrast to the underground zones

the zones are essentially finished beyond fixing some bugs/broken terrain though, yes

beta = feature complete or mostly complete

[deep pawn]

beta you mean, but yeah

[dense plover]

i did

sorry

[deep pawn]

beta back up

[tulip sun]

Just a restart? No new build?

[dense plover]

couldve been server hotfixes

or also just a restart

[tulip sun]

I know that's what I was asking

I'm eager for the next build

[tropic trail]

What the hell? 😂 is he alive?

[dense plover]

i dont think khadgar is alive

he would technically be on the isle of dorn briefly

[tropic trail]

How he is dragon now?

[dense plover]

theres way too many lines in later dialogue that imply he is dead

[dense plover]

he isnt

probably just a mistake

[upper pasture]

i'm willing to wager Xal'atath took him and everyone is assuming he's dead

[tropic trail]

A ok, haha 😂

[dense plover]

what would she even need him for?

[upper pasture]

idk. whatever mage power he has

[dense plover]

lol

nah

the dialogue very much implies we see him die

this is gonna be just like the tree

people are gonna hype it up as something bigger

and then its just gonna be what people said it was gonna be

[upper pasture]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic trail]

It would suck if he died

[upper pasture]

i'm just not counting him out. why would she need to infiltrate dalaran if she could just destory it otherwise. there was someone or something she wanted off of it.

[tropic trail]

It’s dadgar!

[dense plover]

https://tenor.com/view/that-would-be-the-point-gabriel-jon-hamm-good-omens-that-is-the-message-gif-10707056376288468066

[little hound]

I think he's very dead

[dense plover]

to see what we were doing? to devastate us? and what evidence do you have she could destroy it otherwise?

[little hound]

In a Shadowlands chat between him and Jaina, it was foreshadowed that he felt old and felt the years.

So that's possibly his bye bye.

[dense plover]

dalaran is extremely magical

it is probably protected by tons of magic

[tropic trail]

Yea I didn’t like this dialogue it was depressing

[dense plover]

most of that magic is likely focused on external defense

[tropic trail]

Cause he was always happy

[upper pasture]

time will tell i guess

[little hound]

That + The violet hold's defenses.

||We even meet an escaped Botani from the Violet Hold somewhere on the isle||

[dense plover]

i dont think theres anything significant in violet hold tbh

[dense plover]

theres several escaped prisoners

theyre just not significant

[little hound]

Lorewise, a Botani's spores alone can cause a rapid spread and hivemind.

[tropic trail]

Imagine all the demons from Violet hold now escape

I forgot about it 😅

[dense plover]

wont end up mattering - i promise

[little hound]

I know, just saying

Lorewise the reasons for the Botani's arrest are pretty serious, most likely.

[upper pasture]

it's not "not significant" it gives blizzard to ability to add basically any boss and use the excuse that "they were trapped in violet hold"

[little hound]

You gotta be a bigshot and an actual threat to end up in there.

Its not your typical "Robbery Prison"

[tulip sun]

Yeah I am playing through Hallowfall

and between that and what is said before, there is no way Khadgar is alive,.

[tulip sun]

At least not that one- they did release some into Kalimdor for a potential plot hook in the future

[tropic trail]

I still can’t believe they would destroy Dalaran

I’m kinda angry about it

[tulip sun]

Tbh I love it. NOt that I dislike Dalaran

But I like stakes. We frequently don't lose to big bads. (Its mainly just...faction wars).

[tropic trail]

Yea

[ember blaze]

the power of friendship winning every time gets stale

[deep pawn]

Dalaran is gonna come back bigger and better for The Last Titan

They wanted an excuse to redesign it

[tulip sun]

I highly doubt that

[deep pawn]

If the Titans are not our friends in TLT they're gonna be using Ulduar as their base so it won't be our capital.

Wyrmrest is too small really and not well suited to support a large population.

[dense plover]

its more likely we get a new capital in TLT

[deep pawn]

It's gonna be Dalaran rebuilt for 2027

[dense plover]

maybe even icecrown itself? who knows

[deep pawn]

Icecrown is full of old god blood, we can't stay there

[dense plover]

you dont know what tech we will have by then

could also be somewhere completely new

i dont think TLT will only be existing northrend zones

[deep pawn]

and you see that as more likely than them using Nostalgia of Dalaran for the FINAL CHAPTER. 😄

[tropic trail]

Oh that would be even more epic. Having Ulduar retextured.

Most funny thing is when saga ends I will be probaly so old that I will be too tired to even play 😅

[deep pawn]

it's only 3-4 years away

[zealous sedge]

It will probably be dalaran but I would absolutely love for ICC to be the new capital. Although not sure how that would work without a full renovation haha

[deep pawn]

full demolition

All that Saronite

[zealous sedge]

Who knows maybe we need to embrace some old god vibes to defeat the titans IF they are our enemies in TLT

[uncut vault]

I mean they do kind of skirt around actually saying it

"lost a dear friend", "I wish he were here"

phrases that could go either way between killed on screen vs sucked through a void portal

[deep pawn]

we'll all find out on August 23rd almost instantly

[zealous sedge]

Where do we place our bets

[ember blaze]

glad theyre finally wrapping things up

would have been 20 years if they kept to their old selves

[deep pawn]

Yeah, after Midnight we'd have gotten Battle For Azeroth 2.0 and the 5th war lol

[lone mantle]

Questions, so many questions...

[ember blaze]

Chris Metzen saving the franchise

[tropic trail]

Yea he is way better

[upper pasture]

I mean, they also could presume he’s dead and believe he’s dead but infact could just be held captive

[ember blaze]

we teaming up with our new void mommy 🤪

[zealous sedge]

Not to blame Metz but there were some questionable decisions back in the day but definitely took a huge down turn after he left. I think those questionable decisions were because he didn’t have carte blanch on the story as he does now.

[tropic trail]

Nah I’m sure we will end up killing her in some later raids

[zealous sedge]

I hope he’s not dead. If they kill him off he deserves an honorable death not just blindsided by Xal. Something where he sacrifices himself for others which hey, could be the reason everyone else survived in the crash.

[zealous sedge]

I can fix her

[tropic trail]

Haha 😂

[upper pasture]

I 100% agree. Khadgar deserves more than “oops he died in the attack”

Like if he ends up dying that’s fine just how it’s portrayed now seems like classic “he’s dead, surprise he’s not dead!”

[zealous sedge]

Yes agreed. My real hope/ theory (that doesn’t have a shred of evidence) is that he got injured, escaped and we’ll see some forgotten or new ally return with in the future of the xpac. But ultimately I think he won’t survive past TWW (mainly because the voice actor is getting old/ might retire soon I hear).

And they’ve been setting him up as feeling the years on him

[upper pasture]

It’s not uncommon for multiple people to play the same character in media like video games

[tropic trail]

I mean voice actor can be replaced. They did this to Kael’thas before too. Just need to find similar voice.

[zealous sedge]

Yeah that’s true

Another thought, If he was kidnapped, what use would Xal have of him? Obviously, he’s an extremely powerful archmage. But does he hold hidden knowledge/ power that Xal needs in her quest for the world soul?

[tropic trail]

Well yea, he was student of Medivh. He for sure knew something.

[deep pawn]

I mean the Legion wanted him too

[dense plover]

not sure thats accurate

i thought they wanted the tower

[uncut vault]

I think they mean his Harbinger

[tropic trail]

They wanted him to absorb book and become their pawn

[uncut vault]

they were trying to seduce him into taking up the mantle of guardian and giving in

[dense plover]

i dont think Xal needs him

she literally has dragons and the remnants of old gods

she could sneeze and khadgar would explode

she isnt even the final boss of this expac

[uncut vault]

Well, what's she luring Alleria in for then?

She clearly has plans beyond just "big power do big power things"

[tropic trail]

I wonder who will be final boss.

[zealous sedge]

I bet a powerful minion of Xal tbh. Sounds kinda too easy but I don’t think we face Xal at all this xpac

Also anyone think we are getting a 11.3 or are they gonna do the usual .1 and .2

[uncut vault]

I still do kind of feel like Xal'atath will be the final boss

just not one we kill

they've had a big issue over the last few years of not having a very well-marketed final boss, and Xal'atath is being heavily marketed as the clear main threat from top to bottom

[deep pawn]

I think she dies but achieves her goals somehow

[tropic trail]

Question is if we kill her now or in midnight.

[deep pawn]

If she manages to get Alleria to kill Arator that alone could send her over the edge to bring the Dark Heart to the Sunwell

[lone mantle]

I suggest we eliminate her immediately!

[dense plover]

to use her against us

corrupt her and then have her strike when we least expect it

[tropic trail]

Yes haha 😂

[uncut vault]

...and what makes you think she wouldnt use Khadgar in the same way haha

having what is basically everyone's best friend as a tool for ransom is very useful if she gets desperate

something Alleria specifically remarks on in leveling, that she's not just effortlessly evading us, Xalatath does have slip ups and formulates backup plans in the event of that

[zealous sedge]

I could very well see Alleria being the final boss of this xpac

[deep pawn]

No, not yet

[uncut vault]

They've set up far too much with Quel'thalas and her relationship to Arator there to do that

[deep pawn]

She's gonna live into Midnight.

[tropic trail]

Why Alleria?

[deep pawn]

She's gotta be saved by Sylvanas after all.

You know damn well that's coming if Alleria falls

[zealous sedge]

No verseesa

[deep pawn]

Sisterly love will rescue her

[lone mantle]

[deep pawn]

Vereesa was even barely present when Sylvanas was sentenced haha, and she's off screen for all of TWW so far

[zealous sedge]

My thought is maybe Xal could exploit her connection to the void.

[deep pawn]

She already is. Alleria's only heard her calling her down. Alleria hasn't heard the Radiant Song

[zealous sedge]

Although I don’t want a rehash of a possessed main character we defeat in a raid. Already did that with Anduin in shadowlands.

[uncut vault]

Alleria wouldn't be a possession anyways

[deep pawn]

she wouldn't be possessed if she gives in to the void.

[uncut vault]

if she turns on us, it'd be her choice

[zealous sedge]

Hmm yes i see your point

[deep pawn]

They wouldn't have set up a void Demonsoul if it's not gonna be used to open a portal.

[zealous sedge]

I don’t know about this void demon soul

As in, never heard about it

[deep pawn]

that's the Dark Heart.

[zealous sedge]

Oh

lol

[deep pawn]

it's a prototype Dragon/Demonsoul.

Neltharion made it and left it behind for some reason

it seems to work similarily in absorbing magic energy.

[zealous sedge]

Oh yes i didn’t draw the connection from demon soul. I knew the dark heart was a prototype

[deep pawn]

I just think it's gonna be dropped into the Sunwell to turn it into a portal a la War of the Ancients.

[zealous sedge]

Maybe Xal realizes she’s not powerful enough to take the world soul alone and eventually goes to the sunwell to empower the dark heart and causes a portal for the void

[deep pawn]

Maybe, but I don't see her having space in 12.0 that's also gonna feature void lords and Azshara

[zealous sedge]

Or we save the world soul and bring it to the sunwell for protection. Idk how that would happen without Azeroth imploding

[deep pawn]

Alleria is the obvious choice to fall, but Anduin could do it too.

[zealous sedge]

Azshara is coming back? Bleh

[deep pawn]

yeah, she's waiting for whatever gambit Xal'atath is doing and then she'll return.

Makes sense she's there for an Elf expansion

She's literally the last Queen of the elves.

[tropic trail]

Let’s hope not. 😅

[zealous sedge]

I mean it makes sense because she handed wrathion the blade in BfA so there’s some connection there

I just find Naga so boring

[deep pawn]

omg.. in all the expansion release date crap I forgot that I originally thought it was prepatch on 8/20 to compete against GW2.

Blizzard is literally dropping it's expansion 3 days after GW2

That's how you know Metzen is back /s

[ember blaze]

werent some of her followers spotted somewhere

[deep pawn]

Forbidden Reach

[ember blaze]

right

that was on live?

[deep pawn]

yes

[uncut vault]

There's also a book among them that almost directly says "once Xal'atath is done with her blood business with the nerubians, Azshara will return"

[dense plover]

god i hope NOT

we dont need azshara AGAIN

[uncut vault]

It's not a matter of if at all, really, they're not being subtle about it haha

There's absolutely no way we don't have the definitive elf xpac without Azshara

especially with how little interaction she had with any of her usual rivals in BfA

[tropic trail]

Nice, finally people agree with me that Azshara is boring.

I’m so happy now 😂

[dense plover]

im just sick of her

legion, bfa

thankfully shes been gone since then but it was A LOT

and idk what theyre going to do with her

we already had nazjatar

[tropic trail]

Yea same

They could deform her and put her as something Lady Ashvane was for us to kill.

[deep pawn]

she could be Queen of Silvermoon when we get there.

[dense plover]

no she couldnt

theyre not going to destroy silvermoon or have the naga conquer it

it is almost 100% going to be the expac capital

[deep pawn]

I'm not sure, I think it's more likely going to be a Suramar, completely taken over.

[dense plover]

how? the expac doesnt occur there

midnight is about the sunwell

and has us return to quelthalas and the ghostlands

the entire point is to finally integrate those areas so theyre part of the EK map

[deep pawn]

A Suramar as it like how Suramar was in Legion.

[dense plover]

suramar is on a different continent

[deep pawn]

Sorry you didn't get that comparison.

[dense plover]

oh

youre saying

yeah no

im pretty sure they said Quelthalas would be the capital for the expac

[deep pawn]

No, just that we're returning there.

[dense plover]

yep im wrong wow

could be like suramar

in which case, maybe we will be spending time in faerin's homeland

since we are reuniting lost elf tribes

[deep pawn]

We know Midnight is going to have 4 zones. They could get away with just Ghostlands, Eversong Woods, Silvermoon City, and Isle of Quel'danas.

Patch zone being going into the void through the Voidwell as a portal.

If TWW only lasts 20 months we'll probably know a lot more info this time next year

I suppose they could TECHNICALLY get away with having Blizzcon next year be the big reveal if Alpha starts the day after or something

that would leave them just enough time for like 4 months of Beta, but that would be like middle of season 3.

[dense plover]

silly to think it would only have one patch zone

DF had 2.5

i would expect the same for TWW, Midnight, and TLT

[deep pawn]

sorry "a patch zone"

but it'd be the Midnight finale similar to how Argus was for Legion.

[dense plover]

im just saying theres a lot of room for stuff

like, for TWW, the way I see it, we have the harronir zone, undermine, and i have no idea what 11.1 is going to be

because theres no good start for a minor/half zone

we dont have a forbidden reach in TWW

so idk what the plan is there

maybe we return to a zone from a previous expac thats been revamped? idk what else they could do unless we will get 3 patch zones

[silent urchin]

"Whispers of the deep" fishing nodes are pretty wild

also had two in a single delve

[austere gazelle]

going deeper and deeper, till we reach Azeroth's core

[silent urchin]

had a couple +10 skill items, some darkmoon cards, some meraldar fishing derby tokens, and a permanent stat buff thread

and I haven't even learned the khaz algar fishing skill

[austere gazelle]

this new MM+ change are mmm 🤔

why can't they replace the % school damages by an increase of secondary stat ?
Why do they keep sanguine ?

[elder seal]

Finally got to DOrn only to keep repeatedly dcing there huh

On positive note thanks to servers going out i was able to get area emptied for screenshots

[silent urchin]

skittering breach is absolutely awful

just the worst delve so far by a mile

It's stupidly long, packed full of mobs, has a really, really un-fun mechanic with respawning mobs that throw webs at you that spawn even more mobs, and just assloads of CC from mobs

[austere gazelle]

sounds very fun

remind me of Motherlode during BFA beta that was heavily nerfed

[austere gazelle]

noooo I just finished work

[zealous sedge]

Yes a new build awesome

Hopefully they fixed radiant echoes

Also question because i just don’t know. Are ilvls for gear in the beta now generally how they are going to be on live? Like the radiant echo vendor sells 483 gear and wondering if that is the goal for catch up gear on pre patch.

[silent urchin]

Probably? 483 is certainly high enough for early leveling to be very easy

Delves seem off right now

[zealous sedge]

I would assume so. My copied character is like 500 and I’m basically one shotting all mobs in dorn

[austere gazelle]

the mobs are probably not really tuned yet in term of HP and damages

[deep pawn]

Us NA folks can do our weekly keys

[dense plover]

where did you get the thread?

[silent urchin]

whispers of the deep fishing node inside the mycomancer delve in hallowfall

Looked like a wreckage node so I guess it's the super rare pool for this expansion

[dense plover]

huh

[austere gazelle]

I'm not sure permanent stat buff is a thing outside of Remix, might have been a placeholder item

[silent urchin]

I dunno, I think its pretty on theme for fishing

I didn't get around to actually testing it, will try later once the servers back

[austere gazelle]

We agree it's stat buff, not a profession point buff ?

[silent urchin]

Perception is a stat used for gathering professions, yeah

and fishing doesn't have a knowledge tree

dragonflight fishing had it, was a bit weird

[austere gazelle]

aaah so it's a profession stat buff, not a pure stat buff, well I see it more likely indeed

[silent urchin]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=225729/algari-weaverline

[dense plover]

yeah fishing is weird

feels unfinished

also very grindy

but i assume its that way because the weaverline is warband-bound

[silent urchin]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/achievement=40492/100-algari-seekerthread yeah, achievements every 10 to share the power of it

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=225770/algari-anglerthread so it can be +100 skill and +100 perception

[ember blaze]

maybe, but starting questing mobs get one shot by anyone on mythic gear usually

[ember blaze]

sad there still isnt one...

[austere gazelle]

Not at this point. Even in 480 ilvl gear i tear through them like paper

[sullen creek]

ugh zoomers trying to get the amazing WW and Arcane changes undone/unpruned. When will they learn the game is meh when it designed around the .01%

[tulip sun]

No signs of the update yet?

[silent urchin]

ETA is still another hour

[silent urchin]

hmm, beta dev notes post was apparently changed but latest post is 6d old

baited :(

[ionic terrace]

build out

[hazy kettle]

[lone mantle]

[silent urchin]

servers up

I don't see any obvious changes.. I guess datamining should be out soon

no notes yet

more quests around dornogal but possibly just cause I hit 80

hunter changes apparently good according to in game chat

monk has also received a bunch of changes apparently

[dense plover]

curious what the class changes actually are

notes are posted

or not?

wtf

my wow forum shows a new post

but its not there

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silent urchin]

I think maybe they posted it really briefly then hid it or something

[dense plover]

maybe wasnt ready to be posted

decent sized update - like 600mb

[deep pawn]

Updated hero tree icons neat

[silent urchin]

performance feels a bit better but that might just be cause there's fewer people on so far

[dense plover]

new string

Interface\Glues\LOADINGSCREENS\Expansion10\Main\Loadscreen_Hallowfall.blp

idk why hallowfall has a loadscreen

[deep pawn]

It's the star of the expansion and they know it

[silent urchin]

oooh, I got a quest reward upgrade and it didn't lose 200 ilvls

[dense plover]

but zones dont have loading screens

[dense plover]

finally actually baked in and not a hotfix

[slender helm]

Wanted to say, maybe when you zone out from an instance in hallowfall. But actually yeah, we always had continent Loading screens, no specific for zones

Maybe for something like specific scenario in it ?

[deep pawn]

Phew, Stampede survived, now buff it

[silent urchin]

oh priest got mindgames removed entirely

nice

[dense plover]

i dont see any monk changes

[silent urchin]

oh it's a pvp talent now

they got a few but seems to mostly be windwalker

[dense plover]

oh wtf

they nerfed lighter than air!

it increases the roll cooldown by 2 seconds

thats insane

why would i want that?

big buff to vivacious vivification - now also reduces the energy cost of vivify by 75%

[plain violet]

I wonder if most mean "all except.the ones already below 30yrds"..

This is beautiful too.

I only hope they will add some VFX flavor to the heroic talents to match its description.

[silent urchin]

46yards on basically everything for shadow except.. dispel magic and levitate which are 34

[plain violet]

Dayum. Efficient.

I wonder if it could be useful as Disci/holy too.

[silent urchin]

it's on the class tree so yup

gonna sit still for an entire fight while watching a preservation evoker go 500apm flying around constantly

[plain violet]

Ahaha, would be fun.

[dense plover]

can confirm

think this is new

transfer log in the currency tab

[silent urchin]

Is cloth only dropped for tailors now?

[dense plover]

no its just rare af

i think they forgot to put it in the proper drop tables

[silent urchin]

weird. Maybe it's just the bonus tailor drop that works

at least for weavercloth

oh unravelling requires a work table, boo

[tropic trail]

Nice I think playing priest will be fun

[dense plover]

wtf are nerub-ar finery?

is the gameplay of the zone still not finished?

[ember blaze]

i want them to go harder on MM with this and have them sit at 70y

[dense plover]

never going to happen

[ember blaze]

why not

[dense plover]

because enemies dont always render that far away

also busted for pvp

also fully unnecessary in 90% of encounters

[ember blaze]

a non issue then

[silent urchin]

found another of those whispers of the deep pools near the sinkhole delve

got a shield transmog

otherwise more fishing skill and darkmoon cards

also shadowpriest feels really, really bad in delves

so much is attached to void torrent now, with voidweaver hero talents

feels like you do no damage outside of it

but when you use it, everything dies before half of it happens

yet you're still left with stuff on cooldown and half hp

Doesn't help that sinkhole has a bunch of mobs that teleport behind y ou, spawn an add, and clear debuffs every 10s

[zealous sedge]

I love this as a spriest

[cosmic beacon]

Surely shaman will get changes next week

[cosmic beacon]

Like 46 yard range is kinda crazy

[deep pawn]

Priory of Flame is voice acted more to explain the dungeon

[silent urchin]

seems the arathi empire is on Titan's Isle

[clear apex]

Should Isle be capitalized?

Or is it just a random isle that's nameless atm

🤔

[dense plover]

thats the name

Titan's Isle

and the Storming Sea

[clear apex]

Oh OK
Then id say it needs capitalized

[dense plover]

good point

[silent urchin]

Also another new book giving part of the emperor's prophecy for renilash

None of it really says much, and this is his vision of the battle that still isn't here yet. Not exactly sure what the living rock of the titans is either.

Or what gods are meant to die

got a toy for tracking down all these books though, summons a reading desk

[dense plover]

no way we dont go to their lands

[clear apex]

Omg that's awesome

[silent urchin]

best part: 30s cooldown

[clear apex]

8D

[silent urchin]

toys in general have had reasonable cooldowns

[clear apex]

Have fun before it gets a 3hr cd

[silent urchin]

it doesn't stick around, if you move it vanishes

so you can't drop like 100 of them

[clear apex]

Nice

Can't wait to see 1000 people in sw summon it haha

[pulsar minnow]

Smth makes me feel like this is all related to the “Crown of light will bring only darkness”

[deep pawn]

The Emperor will likely do something to hurt the cause.

Maybe he kills someone in Silvermoon and that's the opening.

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t think we’re gonna meet the emperor for a while tbh

[deep pawn]

Have we had the her third death prophecy for sure yet?

[pulsar minnow]

That was Azshara

[deep pawn]

Are you absolutely sure of that? Watch it be Sylvanas after she frees Alleria in the Sunwell raid

I am so confused by so many things using Radiant this expansion. Is Beledar part of Azeroth's song?

[pulsar minnow]

Beledar is yes

Anduin said it’s connected to the Radiant Song somehow

[deep pawn]

I would be confused by Azeorth allying herself with the light so clearly but who knows.

[pulsar minnow]

Well

If she’s a first one it wouldn’t be a shock

Also, if you wanna take the Tauren mythos into account she would be An’she’s mother, who’s a member of the pantheon of light

[deep pawn]

Though that doesn't make much sense.

Who knows though

[pulsar minnow]

How so

[deep pawn]

How does a world soul give birth to anything when it's not awake.

[pulsar minnow]

Whos to say she was always asleep

There’s a lot we don’t know right now. There’s a whole cosmic conspiracy and a lot of what the titans told us could be a lie

One of which being that Azeroth is just being born rather than just waking up

For all we know the titans ganged up on Azeroth with help from other cosmic forces to put her asleep and imprison her

And are now trying to forcefully convert her into another being more in line with their philosophies before she wakes up

After all. The logo for The Last Titan is a world soul in a Titan containment cell

[deep pawn]

There's no way the Arathi aren't massively involved in Midnight.

[pulsar minnow]

I mean good chance the Arathi of Hallowfall are, its the reason their expedition was sent here

[dense plover]

i think part of the zones could be their home

[deep pawn]

Don't forget part of their mission was to set up portals after surviving the trials of Hallowfall

The mages weren't supposed to die.

It could still be that Azeroth moved the expedition rather than Beledar and they're just ascribing it to Beledar.

In priory they're supposedly using the power of Beledar to raise the dead

There's a good shot Avaloren has its own wild gods if nothing else.

I don't know if their homeland is the Titan's Isle or if that's off the shores of Avaloren

Titan's Isle could also refer to Kalimdor if they only ever saw Uldum or could be Khaz Algar

[dense plover]

they werent supposed to end up underground

they were probably trying to return to kalimdor

or at least what they remember of it

its probably a continent on the other side of the storm like their continent is for us

[deep pawn]

They were going to Hallowfall, they just didn't know it was underground

Either they are where the prophecy says they were supposed to be or someone else's radiant light stole them early

I feel like the fact there's prophecies about the Harbinger directly they are where the Emperor intended.

Or at least whomever is whispering to him.

[clear apex]

Could be the case of thinking America was India?
Just a wild guess. They ended up in this place, thought it might be the right place, name it hallowfall. Or maybe it wasn't originally underground.

Or, emperor left things out of his vision.

[deep pawn]

doesn't seem like it since he also had visions of the Harbinger and her army under the ground.

perhaps a cutscene will explain more

[dense plover]

they didnt intend to be there though

they were literally accidentally teleported there

the final battle is happening in midnight

so the intended location is probably the sunwell

the location they were going to is meant to be the site of the final battle

[silent urchin]

I'm still fairly convinced that light vs dark is misdirection and the final battle is all the cosmic forces

[dense plover]

i mean, theres still TLT as part of the saga

Midnight is 100% the battle of light vs void

[deep pawn]

I don't know, they were told to seek the radiant light that teleported them

That's literaly what they were told to do.

[dense plover]

no it isnt

they were told by their emperor to seek the radiant like that would lead to renaslash

or whatever its called

and then they were caught in a storm and instead of dying, they were teleported down to hallowfall

beledar saved their life

the ones there NOW believe its the place they were intended to find

[deep pawn]

Right here. Radiant Light will beckon you to Hallowfall.

[dense plover]

but that doesnt mean it was

[dense plover]

THEY NAMED IT THAT THOUGH

SO OF COURSE IF THEY THINK ITS HALLOWFALL THEYRE GOING TO CALL IT THAT

thats like christopher colombus thinking he was in india

he was told he was going to india

[deep pawn]

So either they are exactly where the prophecy intended for them to be, or someone else who just happens to have Radiant Light hijacked them.

[dense plover]

RENASLASH cant happen in hallowfall

[deep pawn]

That's different than having literal Light given prophecies directing you places.

[dense plover]

the whole void vs light battle happens in midnight at the sunwell

[deep pawn]

You're yelling for no reason.

[dense plover]

the logic youre using doesnt work

we KNOW that the final battle between light and void that theyre looking for happens NEXT expac

at the sunwell

their emperor said they were to find the site of that battle

so they HAVE to be wrong about hallowfall

because hallowfall isnt the site of the final battle

[deep pawn]

It absolutely does. Your reasoning only works if some other radiant light hijacked them. There's nothing to suggest that Hallowfall wasn't meant to be their base of operations for it. And Renilash clearly comes AFTER the Trials of Hallowfall.

[dense plover]

THEY WERE HIJACKED

thats literally what happened

[deep pawn]

You're presuming they were.

[dense plover]

NO

THATS THE ZONE STORY

FAERIN SAYS IT WHEN YOU ENTER

you get in a cart with her

and she literally tells you

[deep pawn]

That was before we have the literal book saying they were told to seek this radiant light to beckon them.

[dense plover]

"we were trying to go somewhere else but then a storm hit and we suddenly ended up here"

[dense plover]

THATS IN THE THING TOO

youre going off the book without the zone story

they werent supposed to be there

the arathi in hallowfall BELIEVE it will be the site of renilash

[deep pawn]

At no point does that say that given the vagueness of the Emperor's prophecy

[dense plover]

but it LITERALLY cant be since that happens next EXPAC

dude - if this was where they intended to go

then renilash happens in hallowfall

which it doesnt

because Renilash happens in Midnight

[silent urchin]

I'm pretty sure renilash is going to happen everywhere

[dense plover]

the site of the main battle is supposed to be a holy site

thats part of the zone story - thats the whole deal with the shadow cultists

[silent urchin]

I generally don't put too much stock in terms of in universe prophecies

you can twist them to mean basically anything you want

[dense plover]

they believe beledar going to shadow is a sign of renilash's approach

its just very clear they werent supposed to end up here

there are crashed ships, their people are dying

they had no idea hallowfall existed

they were teleported there

and the earthen almost definitely didnt call it hallowfall before the arathi named it

especially considering the two areas they did name - the ringing deeps and dornogal/isle of dorn

[silent urchin]

iirc one of the bits in the zone implied they hung around the isle of dorn for a bit before being teleported, and it sounded like that was where they were looking for the light

I don't think we know enough about beledar yet to really understand whats going on

but there's clearly something important here that seems like it would be important to the light and the arathi

this was also the third fleet, far from the full might of the arathi power, even before a bunch of it got exploded by beledar

[tropic trail]

Wow this is so cool 😂

[dense plover]

i havent seen that before

[dense plover]

no i dont think we will know until later patches

[silent urchin]

iirc it's in the captains diary in the wrecked underwater airship to the west

It also seemed kinda inconsistent with some of the other stuff so I'm not entirely convinced by it

also new black blood quests with Orweyna, or at least ones I didn't do before

There's some mechanic where you now see into some sort of parallel dimension when you get exposed to it for too long

seems like a good idea

[tropic trail]

Haha 😂

[deep pawn]

oh dear

[dense plover]

this was a thing before

i posted pictures

its a whole mechanic

culminates in you going to the area to the south of azj-kahet that is all black-blood covered

and then it sort of ends

probably because a lot of orweyna's story is either encrypted, timegated, or coming in later patches

or rep gated

wouldnt surprise me if there are rep quests that arent listed as locked in the renown track

[silent urchin]

Yeah I kinda missed a couple weeks cause of remix, didn't really keep up

and yeah, still sort of ends with them saying "We need to regroup first"