https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Novel_guide has them in publication order as well as timeline order. Although I think most of the earlier stuff is.. not completely accurate when considering current canon
#beta-ptr-spoilers
silent urchin
anything after tides of war I think is pretty much fine in terms of still being pretty accurate canon? Not 100% sure, but I've never been too bothered by it personally
I think most of the expansion tie ins are pretty stand alone, so a reading order might not be too important
zealous sedge
For sure, thanks! Yeah, I kind of just want to get the smaller nuances of the lore that may or may not be that prevalent in the actual game. There is certainly a lot of things on that list. Am I missing anything of if I stay away from the comics/ Manga/ lore guides?
silent urchin
I know very little about those
zealous sedge
Cool, no worries!
zealous sedge
I also found a great two part Reddit post(s) that gets updated when new stuff comes out incase anyone is interested. Not sure if they include non cannon stuff though.
harsh mason
Yea, but 7.1 this was part of the start content. Like, it was all the first raid tier-nighthold
It's a little sad that they no longer do “start” raids with mini villains.
And immediately with the main antagonist of the first raid tier
mossy flare
lmfao i hate these dungeons in this expansion
they all suck
all of them
The past 3 expansions had much better dungeon content.
zealous sedge
Try this: https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/20998-reading-order-of-warcraft...
Thanks!
warm topaz
Twitter
tropic trail
Hype!
rain cave
https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1797689916127674431
alleria looks SO good in that
and magni has more character in that cinematic than he had in bfa in some ways 😭
was interesting to see thrall frustrated like that, I thought he resolved his elemental connection issues?
dense plover
It’s the overwhelming feelings coming from Azeroth that’s frustrating
It’s too much for everyone
deep pawn
The Elements are angry if we're to believe the Gazlowe story.
Could be it's because Azeroth is unstable
dense plover
Yeah there’s a lot of elemental upset on Khaz Algar
deep pawn
Xal'atath wants us angry, but what does she want us to kill?
hazy kettle
|| That smirk is so well done ||
tropic trail
She wants to distract us and so the void lord will eat the planet
deep pawn
Nah, she has a goal for that fury
Question is where she'll aim it since we know it won't be at the other faction.
The Harronir seem unlikely.
Is there a Keeper doing crap?
hazy kettle
Quick idea: we've been 'in contact' / heard of the serpent a few times before, at least once in Shadowlands and once in DF via the cloak / the trinket (?)...
Is it possible she's playing all sides because she's figured out there's something beyond the 6 realms / forces?
deep pawn
You'll have to remind me, I don't recall of a serpent.
hazy kettle
I know that's already pretty far down the crack-pipe, but still. 
Perhaps it's too far, considering they're setting up a pay-off that's likely NOT at the end of TLT ( the last titan ).
hazy kettle
You'll have to remind me, I don't recall of a serpent.
You don' remember whatstheirname, the big end-all on the same power level of the firstest ones?
Not even joking (bar the naming I just gave 'em), the first ones knew (or even were direct antagonists to) some giant creature... hang on, lemme find some tidbits on it.
deep pawn
you mean the devoureres in general?
hazy kettle
My dude Algalon literally worries about what the heck I'm cooking up here. 
I'm both honoured and scared to disappoint.
harsh mason
The Elements are angry if we're to believe the Gazlowe story.
If I'm not mistaken, the elementals have been angry since the free of Raszageth
hazy kettle
you mean the devoureres in general?
*Devourers as well, yes, but they're (assumed by some) as only part of something beyond the 6 realms (aka. life, death, etc. etc.)
harsh mason
Xal'atath wants us angry, but what does she want us to kill?
The point here is that she wants to make us feel helpless.
deep pawn
Not helpless, angry.
harsh mason
And they were furious with despair. They are very easy to manipulate and use in any way you want.
tropic trail
I like this cinematic
harsh mason
She literally says that "all that remains is anger"
silent urchin
If magni can't speak to azeroth, and neither can thrall access the elements, I presume azeroth is being blocked somehow
harsh mason
That is, to bring us to a state where we fly away just in desperation to get angry, unable to change anything
silent urchin
and the immediate target for us is being aimed at the titans by xalatath
Ultimately I still think it's coming down to a battle between all the fundamental cosmic forces
deep pawn
Except we know the titans ain't coming to say hello for at least 3-4 years
so it has to be something a tad more immediate
silent urchin
Xalatath is apparently the face of the void but I think there's more to her than that
Well, the battle between all the forces is the whole of the saga
But titan forces are still rpesent
hazy kettle
@deep pawn I swear, I'm feeling like I'm crashing from a high rn. 
I know I read something about a serpent in particular, at some point, being another creature out there like the First Ones.
Swearing it on Knifu. 
upper pasture
Are you talking about the serpent pet we got from the niffen zone? The one we had to build with all the things from the digs and whatnot
dense plover
Another 11.X vendor build
Build probably today or tomorrow before beta to test important fixes before beta is my guess
silent urchin
I expect we get the build on weds with beta
dense plover
I’m literally thinking the opposite
I figured they want to test the bugs and do another patch
silent urchin
not a lot of time for that
zealous sedge
https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1797689916127674431
Is that thing Xal is clutching the artifact Iridikron took?
warm topaz
yep
silent urchin
the dragon soul but older and fancier
zealous sedge
Ah got it. Really curious about what she meant by using our “fury”
hazy kettle
Ouroboros
Prolly inspired by it, ye. I'm giving up, can't find it rn. T_ T It's on the level of the First Ones, but... yeah, I'm starting to 
myself. GN8 fellas. ❤️
tropic trail
Infinity snake eating its own tail.
zealous sedge
New goblin short story? Undermine basically confirmed for sure
granite flame
Quick idea: we've been 'in contact' / heard of the ***serpent*** a few times bef...
THE END OF ALL THINGS
The crooked serpent with no eyes is watching from the endless sky.
Forked tongues flicker through the black pits in dead stars.
The veil between dream and dreamer slides away like skin from bone.
And even the darkness howls for the light it once despised.
This one?
austere gazelle
> THE END OF ALL THINGS
> The crooked serpent with no eyes is watching from the ...
The crooked serpent is maybe the earthmother, who ripped her eyes out ( Elune and An'she ) to send them into the outer space
deep pawn
Earthmother is likely Azeroth herself
deep pawn
Spitballing, but what if 13.0 brought back Order Halls and had the aspects giving specs weapons.
Kalecgos could do Dev, Arcane, both Frosts, and disc for example. Disc is a stretch but gotta spread the healers out some.
dense plover
Spitballing, but what if 13.0 brought back Order Halls and had the aspects givin...
no chance
they dont really redo mechanics and theyre not doing borrowed power anymore
deep pawn
14.0 is almost certainly gonna be a clear the board and restart expansion. It'd be the perfect time to do artifact weapons one last time.
They've basically said the bloat is a future blizzard problem, but I'm expecting a level and stat squish after TLT
upper pasture
You already out here talking 14.0 when we got 3 whole expansions. I believe they said there would be a squish after midnight. Not after TLT. So it would probably be prepatch of 13.0
deep pawn
They've done squishes close together
We've had squishes in WoD, BfA, and SL right. So squishes in 12 then
14 won't be weird
upper pasture
Yes but if they are planning a squish at the start of 13.0 they most certainly aren’t planning another one at 14.0
deep pawn
We're getting squished in 12.0 already
I'm saying we get level squish in 14.0 to take us from 100 back to 50
upper pasture
They said they planned on squishing after midnight not during
deep pawn
No, before Midnight
It's why people are confused they are waiting vs doing it now at the start of the saga
Even the added power we get in midnight is gonna be pushing how much they can do and make individual parts of the kit feel impactful
upper pasture
Ah before midnight. Either way. I’m don’t see them giving us borrowed power as a “treat” before whatever they have in store post world soul saga
deep pawn
13.0 and TLT is gonna be so bloated we're gonna be begging for a reset
upper pasture
Wdym, wow seems less bloated than ever before. Next expansion we’re getting hero talents which at the end of the day is just a 3rd talent tree that has very minimal choice
deep pawn
Hero trees are 20% of our power roughly. If each expansion system is about the same. In TLT our base talents will be 50% of our power
pulsar minnow
Whos to say next expansion they don’t just add new hero talents? On top of what we have. More stuff to swap between
upper pasture
That’s the thing, we don’t even know what’s coming next. Could be extra hero talent trees
So instead of 2 choices we have 4
Or a rework of our class/spec talents
deep pawn
Holly already implied something entirely new for Midnight
upper pasture
No reason to assume it’s gonna be another new power system layered ontop of what we already have
pulsar minnow
We were told midnight would have features that blow our socks off. Might just be player housing 🤷♂️
deep pawn
Okay, so what do you do with the existing hero trees, people who like those get no new shiny system if they don't like say blood mage
upper pasture
More choice would be a bad thing?
pulsar minnow
Okay, so what do you do with the existing hero trees, people who like those get ...
By that logic I could argue the inverse. What about people who don’t like their current hero talents and actually like blood mage
deep pawn
More choices aren't how they make you feel more powerful expansion to expansion
They've admitted borrowed power failed and they'll worry about bloat in the future
But there'll come a point they have to
worn crown
Good Lord, I hope to never see borrowed power again
deep pawn
Would you call hero talents borrowed power if they lasted 3 expansions and then the most popular parts got baked into the new tree?
upper pasture
Eh, it gives you a reason to play, I think it would be best to have borrowed power but make it some way to have a fast catchup mechanic for players coming back late in the expansion.
Personally I think it’s pretty boring to hit max level then have nothing really powerwise to look forward to other than gear.
deep pawn
I'm just guessing Blizzard has committed itself to 3 expansions of adding new things for the saga. We won't have a better time then after the saga to refresh the progression systems and go back to level 50 again.
pulsar minnow
See like artifacts would be awesome to have again, but the main system they had is basically already fulfilled by our current talent tree system
Maybe the return of glyphs would be nice
deep pawn
Hero trees are basically already artifacts without a weapon attached
pulsar minnow
It’s a weird tightrope to walk with consistently adding new fun ways to play your class along with avoiding button/ability bloat and the times they’ve “culled” abilities like in Legion, it was met with pretty mixed reception.
deep pawn
That's why I think we could see something like Artifacts in TLT as it's the finale and they can cash in on some nostalgia. Like I'm already on the side we'll have a rebuilt Dalaran as our capital in TLT
pulsar minnow
Icecrown with a more… happy makeover could also be a sick capital for the expansion 🤷♂️
pulsar minnow
I mean, yeah but at the same time we have the Ebon blade operating out of it and they’re fine
deep pawn
Only the undead seem to be immune to void corruption
pulsar minnow
Still pretty confused if Bolvar is undead or not
Because he died but he also didn’t?
deep pawn
I don't think he was until he put the crown on.
pulsar minnow
The crown doesn’t make the wearer undead tho?
deep pawn
It's iffy.
pulsar minnow
Arthas only became undead because he tore out his heart offscreen
deep pawn
But yeah, only the undead are immune to void and it's why the void hates Sylvanas
So we can't set up camp in a building made of Saronite
ember blaze
13.0 and TLT is gonna be so bloated we're gonna be begging for a reset
im worried about this too
deep pawn
Like I said, Blizzard is aware it'll be an issue, but for now they don't want to take anything away
So that's why hero talents are staying
I would consider them crazy if they stay as they are past TLT though
ember blaze
they should take a lot away 😎
tepid fiber
Still pretty confused if Bolvar is undead or not
He was Blighted at the Wrathgate but purged of it by red dragon fire at the same time during resurrection so he's technically undead still just not Scourged, which was why Arthas kept him as a prisoner to torture in Icecrown
He was already undead before he put on the Crown of Domination--and it's said that only the dead can use it which is why Bolvar volunteered in the first place when Tyrion tried to take it
Arthas himself became an undead when he lost his soul to Frostmourne
pulsar minnow
He was Blighted at the Wrathgate but purged of it by red dragon fire at the same...
Yeah I know but it’s been said that the fire saved him.. but at the same time he’s been quoted to having seen the shadowlands briefly after the wrath gate
I guess he’s the “bridge” between life and death for a reason
Not quite dead, not quite alive either
Which I guess is just… undead
tepid fiber
I saw it as he was raised into undeath but purged of the Scourge Blight
pulsar minnow
I saw it more like he was on the very brink of death but saved by the flame
Sort of like someone who died, but was brought back moments after
But I guess it’ll just remain vague
Because the best thing blizz could ever do with Bolvar was just… not give him screen time
Still annoys me. Shadowlands sucked (crazy take I know)
tepid fiber
Not a crazy take, just an exhausting repetitive one 
At least we can agree that Bolvar is extra crispy, not original recipe
pulsar minnow
Not a crazy take, just an exhausting repetitive one <:dracthyr_hehe:100236312809...
For what it’s worth I do think shadowlands still has a lot of redeeming qualities that go under appreciated
Mainly relating to the art direction and introduction of the first ones as a concept
I think the first ones were a desperately needed addition to the game to expand the cosmology out and give the game more mystery again after we just murder-hobo’d a literal titan
deep pawn
what the hell is being updated on the 10.2.6 ptr
silent urchin
I don't see a 10.2.6 build
it'll likely get reused for 11.0 prepatch
10.2.7 tends to get the hotfixes/rollups first, so that has a couple updates
dense plover
what the hell is being updated on the 10.2.6 ptr
only 10.2.7 has been updated
to be the same as the current build
or maybe they updated 10.2.6 ptr to also be 10.2.7
deep pawn
nah, my 10.2.6 udpated, but it's still an older build
tropic trail
I saw it as he was raised into undeath but purged of the Scourge Blight
I think he was scorched but still alive somehow, not sure how. When we entered ICC he was screaming that he will never serve Lich King, it’s like he tried to raise him as undead but failed. Maybe cause of being paladin and have strong faith in light. Power of light is crazy there especially at the end of LK cinematic. 🤔
dense plover
I think he was scorched but still alive somehow, not sure how. When we entered I...
he was prevented from dying by the red dragonflight
the breath of alexstrasza
he is both dead and alive but not undead
wrathgate is one of my favorite wow moments i experienced DURING wrath
its one of the first things i remember seeing and thinking - damn, I want to play this game forever
tropic trail
Yea, that was legendary 😁
ionic terrace
alpha shutdown
deep pawn
wooo
thin warren
wooooooh
dense plover
Probably not coming back up before tomorrow
Unless it’s just a restart
If they’re doing a new build and wiping for beta it probably won’t come up until tomorrow
deep pawn
I want notes today still
deep pawn
bleh, quiet day then
zealous sedge
Am I encouraging bad behavior by purchasing the epic edition lol
pulsar minnow
Nah. Some people are gonna say “don’t pre-order” and all that but frankly it never rlly makes a difference. What the dev team cares about is subs
uncut vault
I'm blanking, is start of beta when addons start being enabled, or is that not until a later build?
deep pawn
no idea
feral belfry
I haven't paid a much attention to the alpha/PTR and stuff like that. I'm just wondering if there has been any more movement to control or support and or in the accessibility area. I'm just quite fascinated in that area and just curious if they've been doing any more improvements yet.
deep pawn
Not much beyond arachnophobia mode
zealous sedge
Nah. Some people are gonna say “don’t pre-order” and all that but frankly it nev...
Haha yeah I was mostly on the fence because I don’t really care about early access or beta but was more in for it for the collectibles.
austere gazelle
do you think the prepatch will be released before Remix end ?
deep pawn
I don't
upper pasture
i would be sorta weird if they did. since our remix characters wouldn't be able to do the prepatch stuff
silent urchin
I think they were already a bit vague on remix end date and that it might be extended
presumably to bring us up to prepatch
deep pawn
Absolutely, but I'm pretty sure they really want that 8/20 date
upper pasture
vague with the end date of remix? it's been on screen since the start of remix
deep pawn
they've said it's not set in stone
silent urchin
In some of the interviews they very much implied it might last longer
deep pawn
But they still seem very set on schedules, and this streamer might have been kidding, but they said they were told the tentative release dates for 12.0 and 13.0
silent urchin
yeah that's definitely bullshit
upper pasture
maybe they were told 2026/2028
silent urchin
unless by date they just mean like Q2 2026
upper pasture
but like nothing beyond that
deep pawn
I'm sure Blizzard at least knows the quarter they're aiming for
upper pasture
yeah blizzard knows but they aren't sharing with streamers this far out
austere gazelle
yeah, so expansion release during septembre / early october max
upper pasture
i hope remix gets extended and they add more stuff lol
austere gazelle
It'd make sense to make Remix => Prepatch ( with all three awakened raid available, allowing ppl get stuff easier ) then expansion one month later
upper pasture
i'm almost done with buying everything
silent urchin
hoping they fix the ensembles and add arsenals
upper pasture
there was a bunch of recolors of unused battle pets too someone complied a list
deep pawn
It's gonna be fun that we're likely gonna have the reveal event for Midnight early next year
If we assume no more awakened seasons at least we'd be looking at Q1 2026 for Midnight so that would mean alpha in a year.
I doubt Blizzard could make that kind of schedule though
austere gazelle
If we assume no more awakened seasons at least we'd be looking at Q1 2026 for Mi...
That might be trickier this time because since those expansion are linked, they'd have to release alpha and beta after the first week of the last raid yeah , to avoid spoilers
deep pawn
Well they can't wait for the 2.7 patch to start alpha without awakened, so may just need to suck it up on the spoilers, or do more of FF14 and encrypt all npcs
austere gazelle
I'm not even sure that'll be possible since the whole setup of the expansion will be a direct consequence of what will happen in the last raid ( or I think so )
We already know Xal will somehow win but how is the question
deep pawn
If we stick with 6 month seasons roughly that would put the final tier of TWW by my guess in October of next year
Alpha starts like right after the RWF ends
austere gazelle
that'd make sense. We still have to wait for the reveal of " how they'll tackle expansion and speed the story " that metzen said they would share later after blizzcon
deep pawn
That'd probably be in their 2025 roadmap
Cause they'll put Midnight alpha on it if there's no awakened
austere gazelle
yeah I'd like they stop these hollow season, and put bullion for all the season from start ( available once the RTWF of this current tier is over )
last spindle
Does anyone know what time the Beta download releases?
harsh wedge
in 10 to 12 hours if they follow the usual alpha patch notes, no real way to know
last spindle
They could have at least let us pre-download the beta if anything
harsh wedge
In a way, not letting us pre-download is the "best way" to stagger the number of players that will try to enter it, as the wave will be way bigger than usual (faster download speed will go first, then others)
deep pawn
there used to be a way to install it earlier, but I think that's gone now
thankfully it'll use most of the data you already have installed
austere gazelle
Well they'll use your actual wow installation as template and update it with beta anyway
elder seal
Maybe its just me but wasnt beta supposed to start today and not tomorrow??
Suppose i misremembered
elder seal
Interesting it starts so late. oh well
harsh wedge
Interesting it starts so late. oh well
That's because it starts in the morning for NA and is a global release (as all beta realms are in NA time), which means it will be evening in EU
elder seal
Assumming / understanding it works that way i have to do "nightshifting" if i want to update some database screenshots when it finally comes to beta then 😂 ... If the Beta realms use NA nightcycle its morning ingame while its night here irl.
Havent been in any Closed Betas since Cata so been an while
pulsar minnow
It’s rlly just whenever the devs get into the office tbh. They’re probably still asleep rn
elder seal
NA would be complaining anyways if beta started during nighttime for them
just like im doing that somewhat rn 
tepid fiber
Workday hasn't started in California yet
austere gazelle
Maybe its just me but wasnt beta supposed to start today and not tomorrow??
It's a global release, so as any global release, it'll happen around 6 P.M France time ( 5 P.M UK time ) , when they are all wake up on the other side of the globe
Sometime it might even be later if unexpected issue occurs ( which might happen )
pulsar minnow
Sort of weird lore idea. But I kinda just wanted to float it around
green moth
The void lord is a spacegoat?
pulsar minnow
Someone in here mentioned that the shard of void/light used to make Ashbringer might be connected to either the naaru or beledar
green moth
aww :c
pulsar minnow
That too!
Clearly those earthen goats can’t be trusted
But I almost wonder if Shalamayne might get some modifications thru beledar
Especially since Magni is here and he’s worked with that material before
Basically I’m saying it’d be cool if Shalamayne is gets an Ashbringer enhancement. Idk what significance to the story it’d have, or if it’d even make sense but it could be cool
I could see Shalamayne’s halves becoming light and void. Or light and death
austere gazelle
Someone in here mentioned that the shard of void/light used to make Ashbringer m...
According to current lore, it's not 😦 its a shard from a naaru of Outland ( the " Dark Star " we see in WoD ). It was brought to Azeroth by Orc Warlocks
austere gazelle
I could see Shalamayne’s halves becoming light and void. Or light and death
I think that might be where the story is going. We just saw a sort of unification of Life and Death, in a " crown of Harmony " , and maybe this whole story will be how Azeroth is bringing everything togeter, that her song is restoring the balance and uniting opposite forces, like a Spirit beacon ( spirit is an element that made the Elemental forces lives in harmony too, there is a silver lining there )
So Anduin wielding both the Light and Shadow is something that I could see happening
And later down the line, by the end of midnight, having Light and Shadow working together , too, somehow ( that would also explain why the titans will be very mad at this )
pulsar minnow
According to current lore, it's not 😦 its a shard from a naaru of Outland ( the...
True but clearly naaru and beledar are ‘cut from the same cloth’
subtle oar
The void lord is a spacegoat?
No
austere gazelle
True but clearly naaru and beledar are ‘cut from the same cloth’
indeed, I craving for more Beledar lore
pulsar minnow
Just really curious what they actually intend to do with Anduin and Thrall’s respective arcs. I feel if it’s just them getting their same class back with like zero change it’d be super lame
Like woo boy Anduin is just back to being a priest after learning to rely on his sword for the past 5 years, rather than rerolling Paladin or some new class
Or hey… Thrall can just use the elements. There’s gotta be a message or a change for these two
austere gazelle
Thinking about the spirit I mentionned, maybe that's the key, if you bind or use the spirit element to control light and shadow in harmony , anduin can achieve a new path.
Elements being used in harmony with spirit could also be a way for thrall to gain back an higher mastery of his elemental power.
tepid fiber
Like woo boy Anduin is just back to being a priest after learning to rely on his...
I mean it's similar to how Drek'Thar would always give Thrall guff for relying too much on his hammer instead of the elements
The weapon is a crutch--and in a lot of ways, Anduin is using his father's sword as one too in the last few years
pulsar minnow
The weapon is a crutch--and in a lot of ways, Anduin is using his father's sword...
I think the issue is Anduin thinking he’s unworthy of Shalamayne, when it’s really the opposite
tepid fiber
He's trying too much to be the king his father was, not the kind of king he is himself
pulsar minnow
He keeps thinking he needs to fill his fathers shoes not that he can outgrow them
tepid fiber
The sword just emphasizes that metaphor
pulsar minnow
Yeah
I honestly don’t even know if Thrall needs the elements anymore
He’s insanely skilled with weapons as it is
And I think that might be the problem he’s having. Sorta like Thor in Ragnarok
tepid fiber
His issue is that the only reason he can't commune with them is because he still has his own self doubt to get over. The elements like confidence
Thrall suffers from the same type of insecurity as Anduin does in that case, because they keep trying to compare themselves to someone else or the visualization of what people expect them to be
Basically just a reskin of imposter syndrome
pulsar minnow
I just hope thralls arc isn’t just “hey guys I’m confident in myself again!” And boom he has the elements. I rlly want thrall to have something more complicated than that
tepid fiber
It's a very common trope you see in leaders with good intentions in stories
pulsar minnow
Bc thralls direction is more confusing. Whereas Anduin has so many different options and directions to take him with his pre established dual nature
Also I could definitely see them creating a new class based off Azerite magic stuff - could be an option for those two
tepid fiber
Honestly we just need more cosmetic glyphs instead of new classes and specs
pulsar minnow
I just want a spell blade man
tepid fiber
It would address, like, the majority of the class flavor complaints
pulsar minnow
I think we’re for sure heading that direction
tepid fiber
I just want a spell blade man
Outlaw rogue but with magic effects instead of pirates
See? Just need glyphs
pulsar minnow
Outlaw rogue but with magic effects instead of pirates
Eh. That wouldn’t do it for me
deep pawn
It's a very common trope you see in leaders with good intentions in stories
There's something going wrong with the elements too
They're getting angrier
tepid fiber
Oh yeah that's a thing too, but I was speaking specifically about the Thrall/Anduin parallels
Not really talking about what's going on with the elements
pulsar minnow
Is thrall still the world shaman or has he given that up (or can you even give that up?)
Bc I think he still is right?
tepid fiber
He doesn't go by that anymore, not since passing the responsibility off to the Earthen Ring after the Cataclysm and Legion
Remember that by BFA he was living in Nagrand
deep pawn
He's still a Farseer for sure though. Aggra recently became one herself too.
tepid fiber
Well yeah that's different
pulsar minnow
Well he doesn’t go by it but he’s still the world shaman in some capacity
Like I dont think he can exactly give that up
I’m trying to say he’s more tied to the elements than most. In comparison to the player character
tepid fiber
Think of a shaman as medic, Farseer as a Doctor and a World Shaman as a Surgeon General or Chief of Medicine
If that makes sense
A Farseer is an incredibly trained, proficient, and recognized shaman and has a title that recognizes them as such while the other is a very specific position
And similar to how the Horde doesn't need a Warchief since it's not at war anymore, the Earthen Ring doesn't really have World Shaman at the moment
wintry yew
Is the Beta live? Just checking to see if my client is working or not
austere gazelle
it's not. Wait at the very least one more hour ( or several )
gilded gull
Just coming to check the same... I bought Epic but not seeing it in the Battle.net client
pulsar minnow
It’s not up yet
mossy galleon
hi
dusk dagger
lol
mossy galleon
nop
hollow harness
up for download 🙂
warm topaz
Twitter
robust zinc
icy laurel
so do you download both? never done beta before
hoary loom
Beta=Beta , 11.0 = Prepatch
warm topaz
just Beta
icy laurel
thanks
mossy galleon
for me shows:
green moth
Great, its giving me incompatible realms again
silent urchin
build isn't out yet, it's still the old alpha one
rugged kindle
+1
Fully restart your client, close the bnet app including the task bar background portion
green moth
which realms are you seeing when you start beta?
rugged kindle
whole junco
Fully restart your client, close the bnet app including the task bar background ...
did that
rugged kindle
Realms are not up yet
green moth
ah okey, nvm then, I thought I hade the same bug as with alpha
whole junco
they better hurry up
whole junco
What part of the world are you in?
eu
rugged kindle
They are most likely flagging epic edition accounts in waves, starting with US and moving around the world.
rugged kindle
You will get access. Your not missing out on anything right now. Servers are not even up. Not to mention progress won't be saved when the xpac goes live.
hollow harness
They are most likely flagging epic edition accounts in waves, starting with US a...
Im from Eu too but i have my access
austere gazelle
same here
green moth
those are ptr realms
tepid fiber
He probably assumed because this is the ptr channel
austere gazelle
yeah but I'm connected on the Beta client 🙂
they are probably merging PTR realm with beta to test 11.0 stuff
tepid fiber
That makes sense
silent urchin
you can do weird stuff with what realms show up
cause part of its managed by launcher
if you launch retail, then ptr, then DC and try and reconnect on retail you see PTR realms
whichever you launched more recently
austere gazelle
well, not in my case, was on retail , logged out then launched the beta client
austere gazelle
https://i.imgur.com/51U7xv3.png
and I'm not the only one it seems :p
rugged kindle
Those were the servers showing on the beta client yes. They have not updated the realm list on the beta client yet as the servers are not online yet.
austere gazelle
and it shows
' some realm might not be available '
language change does not work though... annoying.
austere gazelle
I'm not testing this on french cause translation are sometime misleading or not even implemented and it mess with some feature
better like this @rugged kindle ? xD
mossy galleon
second that 4 me
deep pawn
Hmm, is the new article wrong, or can Earthen actually not be priests?
harsh wedge
Hmm, is the new article wrong, or can Earthen actually not be priests?
Article says they can, on mobile the third column is cropped
rugged kindle
lol, Blizzard links all achievements directly to Wowhead
Because wowhead is the simi-official wiki for world of warcraft (and also provides the neat tool-tip hoverables u see when hovering over the link)
elder seal
Its semi official site but i still dont have my own NPC ingame 
- i dont see closed beta visible. just the 11.0 personally
EDIT: and now it appears when i complain
deep pawn
11.1?
elder seal
Yeah, correction 11.0
I havent checked how much content was posted when it comes regarding to screenshots in WoWhead but except me to post some for War Within so i dont need to focus on em so much when retail hits 
Assuming i can find the most dead server first ofc haha
clear apex
Servers still down? 
rugged kindle
Assuming i can find the most dead server first ofc haha
most dead server will be the one above the last server, always is e.e
green moth
what if there is only 2
rugged kindle
Good luck questing if thats the case
green moth
but sharding and layering?
zealous sedge
Earthen are able to be tested on Beta?
dense plover
they will be yeah
zealous sedge
Cool. Still debating on whether or not to test beta. Really want to check out hero talents and delves but also don’t want to spoil too much for myself.
dusk dagger
i wanna test classes see what to main
i wasn't a fan of DF classes, so barely played it. but for TWW they look more fun
rugged kindle
I doubt much of the story/quests will change much from beta to live.
At least from what I remember during legion beta the onlything missing were a few in-game cutscenes
zealous sedge
Yeah, I mean on one hand it’s kinda nice to know the ins and outs of the xpac on launch but also you lose that “mystery” and exploration of the game.
deep pawn
no Earthen DKs make sense
zealous sedge
I main a shadow priest so would be nice to see what that’s looking like. Also might get back into a DK with the rider of the apocalypse hero talents.
deep pawn
they aren't dead, and as far as we know, no more can be raised
zealous sedge
True but also they are machines technically? Or do the ones we play have the curse of flesh.
pulsar minnow
earthen are full machines
dusk dagger
im thinking either affleck or ww monk.
or maybe dev evoker but i only played on launch of DF and found it incredibly clunky
dunno if they ever fixed it. but the empower garbage would either not go off or go off early
pulsar minnow
or maybe dev evoker but i only played on launch of DF and found it incredibly cl...
as a devoker main for a majority of DF, it gets SO much better with endgame gear
And yeah empower had a lot of bugs but i think they've been fixed by now
zealous sedge
I’m thinking about leveling an evoker in remix, I know it wasn’t designed to level up from 10, so I hear it’s kind a clunky. But all the spells and abilities you get from the regular starting point overwhelmed me and I stopped playing at lvl 62 lol.
dusk dagger
and the whole Augmentation thing seems weird
looking at some m+ stuff it seems every group wants one mandatory. So that's tank, healer, aug. leaving only 2 spots for true dps now?
Weird choice by blizz IMO
deep pawn
aug isn't that OP this season
pulsar minnow
Thankfully 🙏
dusk dagger
oh good
pulsar minnow
Honestly Evoker is a really well designed class, the only downside is the armor limitations
green moth
the range
pulsar minnow
that too but it makes for more interesting gameplay imo
pulsar minnow
Augmentation is very easy imo, or at least it used to be. Dev isn't that complicated once you get the idea of it
clear apex
It's like a very mobile mage, imo.
pulsar minnow
Might need addons to track disintegrate ticks and procs, but otherwise yeah
dusk dagger
oh you still have to clip disitingrate?
pulsar minnow
under certain conditions
dusk dagger
Arcane mage is also lookin real simple now
ionic terrace
build out
tight wagon
zealous sedge
I was on the fence but I’m gonna download the beta fuck it.
deep pawn
it's not letting me update
I'm in raid, but still
anyone else unable to patch?
but lol
not my imagew
dusk dagger
this is bolgni!
deep pawn
that photosensitivity warning loads weird
molten niche
beta aint even up lol i mean its up but no servers are up
deep pawn
give it time
green moth
deep pawn
refreshing for beta notes
silent urchin
still haven't had any luck updating
green moth
refreshing for beta notes
deep pawn
still haven't had any luck updating
I had to close wow
silent urchin
ah makes sense
dense plover
thats not notes tho
thats file changes
and some of those are unreadable
orweyna got some VO tho
lots of VO in general
silent urchin
I bet like 4000 of those modified are minimap files
dense plover
very possible
silent urchin
and then about 40 are db2 that each contain thousands of changes
dense plover
yeah
gonna be time before thats a known thing
"new wdt family file
MVER MHDR MMFE"
3 types i guess
lol, still no hunter changes
rugged kindle
so it's a custom blizz thing
No.
An MMF file is an audio file
dense plover
new hallow's end assets
dense plover
No.
An MMF file is an audio file
its not an MMF
its similar to a WDT which is whats used for minimap renders
its an MMFE
molten niche
lol how am i gonna have an update for the beta and i just installed it lol
rugged kindle
Welcome to blizzard games
candid ruin
new hallow's end assets
now this is what I love to see, def for the trading post frame
elder seal
Beta prepping the addons 
molten niche
Beta prepping the addons <:LETSGO:715379347334234124>
how do u transfer ur addons to the beta?
elder seal
ah lmao i only copy pasted necessary addons from retail and hope they work out.
thats how i usually roll
molten niche
yea i just copy and paste to lol
elder seal
99% time they do considering im not needing anything too sophiscated
rugged kindle
would avoid things like elvui or anything else that majorly alters the UI until the addon devs make a proper build for it
molten niche
i quit using all ui addons when blizz launched there own. its just way better than all the others lol
elder seal
Did rescan with curse client after moving the addons. would found them fine without it anyways
aww crap so only 5 realms for beta huh.
molten niche
they arent even up last time i check which was 5 minutes ago
rugged kindle
second to last one
elder seal
yeah they are not up yet
austere gazelle
there is an update of the beta on the launcher btw
molten niche
yea still down after update
austere gazelle
( at least for me )
elder seal
yeah i just did an update personally. back to 
while waiting
zealous sedge
Just looked at the hunter tier set stats/benefits that were datamined and it’s just so sad
Just generic damage increases to spells
austere gazelle
if there is the word " hunter " in your class, you're doomed by uninspired dev
zealous sedge
I main a priest so I’m excited. I do not play a hunter for obvious reasons
silent urchin
trinkets and set bonuses tend to start off kinda boring and get more interesting through an expansion
rugged kindle
not sure why some of the clases still have a Dragon flight vibe to them...
silent urchin
the vault tier sets were also kinda ehh
molten niche
dk by far has best bonuses for tank wise
rugged kindle
Time to roll a DK... again 😢
molten niche
thtrh er4 peice Your damage is increased by 1% per active Boneshield charge. Taking damage while below 6 Boneshield charges has a chance to generate 1-2 Boneshield charges.
silent urchin
blood DK doesn't seem incredible to me
swift willow
thtrh er4 peice Your damage is increased by 1% per active Boneshield charge. Tak...
yes finally this Season was a unlucky Set -Bonus
molten niche
compared to all the tanks there teir set bonus is the best lol
silent urchin
you don't spend a huge amount of time below 6 bone shield charges cause you want 5+ for that one talent
swift willow
blood DK doesn't seem incredible to me
its quite Funny if you play it right but yeah its "weak" but predictable
silent urchin
the others aren't anything groundbreaking either I guess
dense plover
i like the brew tank bonus
significant dmg bonus to two major abilities, chance for more keg smashes
molten niche
prot pally total garbage lol
zealous sedge
Obviously more time is going into hero talents than the 1st tier set abilities. Not that it’s a bad thing, kind of expected it
rugged kindle
Can't decide on DK or warr for tank 🤔
molten niche
i was thinking warr my self cu ive nvr been a warrior main always switch between pally/dk every xpac lol
silent urchin
Although I could be wrong, I think the last alpha build added a lot more effects for DK that consume and grant bone shield so maybe you do spend time at low charges
zealous sedge
Can't decide on DK or warr for tank 🤔
I hear mountain thane is really fun
molten niche
but with the new acheivements they are adding to complete every mythic as a certain role (tank/heals/dps) i was thinking of rolling druid or pally again lol
worthy tartan
do we have a eta for when the beta realms are open? :<
dense plover
Although I could be wrong, I think the last alpha build added a lot more effects...
it did
there is a lot more boneshield gameplay now
green moth
do we have a eta for when the beta realms are open? :<
soon™
zealous sedge
Is it even worth downloading addons for beta? I don’t necessarily need them to “play good”
silent urchin
I don't generally bother, a lot are probably broken anyway
candid ruin
addons will just create problems on beta esp at the start
hexed hare
realms still incompatible ?
zealous sedge
For sure thats what I was thinking.
coral lagoon
realms still incompatible ?
yup, so much for beta on 05.06
candid ruin
its 1pm in Cali they got... 11 hours to put it out to fulfill their promise lmaooo
zealous sedge
Also, for the in game UI edit mode, will I be able to copy my settings from the live game? I assume no but just wanted to double check.
molten niche
Also, for the in game UI edit mode, will I be able to copy my settings from the ...
yes u can actually
candid ruin
yeah you copy and paste the string
zealous sedge
Oh sweet
molten niche
thanks for remiding me lol
zealous sedge
Oh duh yes it makes sense now I forgot you could copy to clipboard the string
Is anyone copying over a character or starting fresh?
molten niche
i tihnk starting fresh ur still lvl 70
zealous sedge
Im thinking earthen paladin. I haven’t even looked at the hero talents for that class yet tho.
silent urchin
templates are most likely available, yes
dense plover
Is anyone copying over a character or starting fresh?
we have no indication character copy is being enabled
hexed hare
eventual pre patch testing
candid ruin
I wonder what that 11.0 PTR is for
oh, I downloaded the wrong thing 
dense plover
it typically doesnt launch at beta start
thin warren
haha 😄
dense plover
character copy comes later
elder seal
That is going to cause slight issue. need some specific toys before i go to TWW 
zealous sedge
we have no indication character copy is being enabled
Oh okay haha I was reading some misinformation then
austere gazelle
Oh okay haha I was reading some misinformation then
It's not traditionnal beta test though.
silent urchin
the beta announcement said char copy would be available
molten niche
if only they will finally let us que lfr and dungeon finder with any faction
silent urchin
Create a new test character or use the character copy to import your existing Dragonflight character.
dense plover
huh
silent urchin
although maybe that's generic
dense plover
well thats gonna be a hot mess if it is
dense plover
if only they will finally let us que lfr and dungeon finder with any faction
theyre working on it
it isnt ready yet
molten niche
theyre working on it
lol where do u see that? cuz tevidently it was working in the mop remix
austere gazelle
thats wild
you can't know that since they have several build in internal that are far ahead than what's being tested
dense plover
lol where do u see that? cuz tevidently it was working in the mop remix
no it really wasnt
you cant choose to be faction exclusive
they said theyre working on it
rugged kindle
I highly doubt they would make us start from level 1 in a beta where you don't run into new content (excluding class changes/talents) until your almost max level.
dense plover
I highly doubt they would make us start from level 1 in a beta where you don't r...
templates still exist
theyll start you at 70
also dragonflight leveling from 10 is new technically
molten niche
no it really wasnt
are we even talking bout the same thing lol
dense plover
are we even talking bout the same thing lol
yes
the point was to have the OPTION of cross faction
but there is no option yet
the game doesnt have a way for players to choose
it was partially finished and accidentally enabled on remix
using the same code that is used for running content in a cross faction party
which is not the same
its meant to be an option you can choose to enable
also some of the scenarios and dungeons in MoP are faction specific
hence the issue
dense plover
yes but none of the retail dungeons are faction specific
molten niche
i mean its not fucking hard to do private servers do it lol. and once they implement it if ppl are dumb enough to slow there que times by not enabling it thats there own fault.
dense plover
none of the dung in remix are faction specific 😉
scenarios are
rugged kindle
those faction specific scenarios just morph you into the correct faction during the scenario by the way so I doubt that was the reason they fixed it so quickly in remix. More than likly just fixed it because its been an ongoing issue and wowhead highlighted it leading to more abuse from it.
candid ruin
Hmm the raid story mode is upto 10 players now 
austere gazelle
Maybe it's 1 to 10 players
dense plover
Hmm the raid story mode is upto 10 players now <:Think:579635543168778250>
probably just means you have the option to queue with more people
candid ruin
yeah 1-10
dense plover
im willing to bet it will still scale right
molten niche
probably just means you have the option to queue with more people
nothing gets past this guy
rugged kindle
molten niche
ur arguing with ppl for no reason isnt necessary
rugged kindle
🍿
austere gazelle
Heroic dungeon not available until season 1 start? 😮
dense plover
someone noticed something and i provided my thoughts - thats how text forums work
dense plover
Heroic dungeon not available until season 1 start? 😮
kinda makes sense
rugged kindle
someone noticed something and i provided my thoughts - thats how text forums wor...
just move on
dense plover
heroic is equivalent to M0 now
austere gazelle
I know that.
dense plover
it is surprising its being added this late tho
rugged kindle
In the past M0 was avail during beta. Was the meta to spam them to get gear during beta.
rugged kindle
If hero is not avail M0 wont be
dense plover
same with delves - im guessing up to tier 5 might be available?
austere gazelle
In the past M0 was avail during beta. Was the meta to spam them to get gear duri...
it was also available before season start , hence the weekly lockout
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dense plover
https://www.wowhead.com/news/heroic-dungeons-not-available-until-season-1-starts...
yeah but thats not specific to the beta - the string is for when the game goes live
IE - game launches, S1 starts a week after launch
rugged kindle
"Today's beta War Within build adds a new condition that implies players won't be able to access Heroic dungeons until Season 1 starts."
dense plover
during that first week, no heroic dungeons
austere gazelle
In dungeon finder... maybe you can use them with premade group
dense plover
"Today's beta War Within build adds a new condition that implies players won't b...
that doesnt mean they wont be available on the beta
thats not
oy
candid ruin
makes sense, normal is heroic, heroic is mythic, and mythic is M+ 0-10 now
dense plover
they literally havent done mythic dungeon testing yet
do you think theyre just not going to test stuff on beta and its just a grind until launch?
rugged kindle
dense plover
DUDE IM NOT SAYING ITS NOT A THING
rugged kindle
There won't be any seasons in the beta my man
dense plover
they havent tested mythic dungeons my guy
candid ruin
I doubt that string matters at all for beta
dense plover
they will be testing a bunch of stuff including heroic dungeons
rugged kindle
You need to relax
dense plover
you need to stop saying stuff like its fact when its guaranteed false
there are going to be heroic and mythic dungeons on beta - THEY LITERALLY NEED TO TEST THEM BEFORE LAUNCH
rugged kindle
You are doing the exact same thing, nor have I stated anything is fact. Ive litterally only posted links to articles and screenshots of articles LOL
dense plover
You are doing the exact same thing, nor have I stated anything is fact. Ive litt...
the post is about what that means for retail wow
not about the beta
rugged kindle
you need to stop saying stuff like its fact when its guaranteed false
dense plover
i can make you a promise
harsh wedge
But would that mean that we can't do heroic dungeons until season 1 opens, which means when raids are open ?
dense plover
But would that mean that we can't do heroic dungeons until season 1 opens, which...
yes - b/c heroic is M0 equivalent
and no
i think raids might be delayed depending on difficulty
rugged kindle
Again, please just take a step back and relax my man. You are being VERY abbrasive throughout this entire conversation for no reason whatsoever.
austere gazelle
Weren't M0 opened before season start , justfifying the weekly lockout so you couldn't spam them ?
dense plover
Weren't M0 opened before season start , justfifying the weekly lockout so you co...
heroics will likely have a daily lockout tho
austere gazelle
That'd mean that heroic and M0 arent available before S1 for TWW...
dense plover
if at all
harsh wedge
m0 were always opened before season start, so evenif heroic are the new M0, it seems weird to be honest
austere gazelle
precisely
dense plover
might not actually be a thing they follow through with ¯_(ツ)_/¯
strings get added that arent actually used pretty frequently
this is just a message string
green moth
there are going to be heroic and mythic dungeons on beta - THEY LITERALLY NEED T...
just like plunderstorm and mop remix?
dense plover
just like plunderstorm and mop remix?
they did test mop remix
just not enough
also not similar
one is an entire expansion
the other is a side event
green moth
it took place in an entire expansion tho 😛
austere gazelle
Oh no, I get it. When you go into heroic dungeon with premade groupe, you're locked in weekly, but when you do it in random heroic dungeon, you can enter any dungeon with pugs even if you're locked in, they just deactivated that before season start to make heroic on a TRUE weekly lockout
dense plover
they had a mythic dungeon vendor on alpha who didnt see use as prep for testing
rugged kindle
and one is a side event that is somehow getting more attention from a dev team than retail has gotten in months*
dense plover
and one is a side event that is somehow getting more attention from a dev team t...
we literally had the dark heart story stuff
silent urchin
what needs attention on retail right now
elder seal
dense plover
cranky people who expect constant updates until next expac apparently
we literally have more content now than ever and people still complain
elder seal
That sounds like addiction to me
rugged kindle
Not talking about content, talking about bugs/nerfs/balance.
jade basalt
It's not the same teams anyway
elder seal
People keep forgetting that somehow
green moth
there's so much stuff to do in the game that I can't choose and eventually end up not choosing and quitting
elder seal
People keep forgetting that somehow
Like literally every patch
jade basalt
Expansion launch etc. is not the same team as Plunderstorm and Remix which are handled by the Live Games team
So it's not like one is taking away from the other
rugged kindle
Thats why I said "a dev team" obviously there are multiple teams no way in hell one team is doing classic, remix, df, and tww
jade basalt
But then it's a little odd to say that it's getting more attention than retail
rugged kindle
its actually all just one person doing all the updates actually
rugged kindle
But then it's a little odd to say that it's getting more attention than retail
not really, remix has seen more hotfixes in quick succession than retail has in the short time its been up. that is a fair and acurate statement that can be made.
pulsar minnow
Mop remix and Plunderstorm ARE Retail rn
like, they're not separate things. They are all content for the current game
silent urchin
The main balance issues right now are mostly design issues which isn't going to be addressed in a hotfix
rugged kindle
you must not pvp 😆
elder seal
I tend to avoid pvp as most of pvpers are whiny
not that question was addressed to me
rugged kindle
your not wrong
elder seal
I literally can see myself becoming rotten DK pet when i pvp
rugged kindle
But pvp balance has been... yikes this season
last tuning did a little to fix it tho 👍
on the right track anyway
green moth
Mop remix and Plunderstorm ARE Retail rn
if you're really looking for a category to put remix and plunderstorm in, then make it "wowlabs" as that is the term blizzard uses in their game files.
pulsar minnow
if you're really looking for a category to put remix and plunderstorm in, then m...
sure, but they're still content for the LIVE/Retail game
deep pawn
They are removing the ability to endlessly run heroic dungeons in the first two weeks, you can still enter manually I bet.
rugged kindle
remix is just SoD in pandaland e.e
deep pawn
Why they're concerned about people farming 4/8 adventurer gear is beyond me.
Heroic dungeons still have a daily lockout
silent urchin
Not sure exactly when "season 1 start" is but I imagine it's a bit earlier than you expect
deep pawn
season 1 start is when the raid unlocks
if it's like DF that'll be week 3 of the expansion
rugged kindle
Why they're concerned about people farming 4/8 adventurer gear is beyond me.
I think they are trying to dissuade people from spamming it as a way to gear quickly and move the game away from quick mindless gear grind to more adventure focused gear grind which I like
zealous sedge
They want people to experience delves
deep pawn
if m0 is available people are gonna be nearly full champ loot regardless
rugged kindle
They want people to experience delves
of yea this too 100%
silent urchin
I suspect it might be earlier with heroic week returning
deep pawn
no, the stance of "we don't want people to rush to 80" still exists
silent urchin
also M0 won't come out before heroic
austere gazelle
Heroic dungeons still have a daily lockout
No, Heroic dungeon will be available before season start. Let me explain
deep pawn
I'll be stunned if the 2 week preseason isn't there
silent urchin
delves are probably gonna be capped at like tier 5 or something too
rugged kindle
i hope delves are good and not just another throwaway thing like warfronts
deep pawn
No, Heroic dungeon will be available before season start. Let me explain
I already said that my friend
read
austere gazelle
I already said that my friend
too much stuff going on my bad 😄
deep pawn
You just can't use the dungeon finder to side step the daily lockout
austere gazelle
You just can't use the dungeon finder to side step the daily lockout
that's precisely what I said earlier
^^
deep pawn
Again, why they care is beyond me, it's a stupid as hell hill to die on
jade basalt
not really, remix has seen more hotfixes in quick succession than retail has in ...
Since you said that Remix is getting more attention from "a" dev team than Retail has, I was just clarifying that it's actually 2 different teams.
But I'll also add that it's probably less a difference of "attention" and more the fact that Remix is, like Plunderstorm, its own self-contained (and temporary) thing which means if you want to update it 15 times a week you can, but if you did that with class balance in live for example then you might be messing things up- and that's assuming that they're even equal in complexity when the scope of one is pretty limited and the other more far reaching
zealous sedge
i hope delves are good and not just another throwaway thing like warfronts
I hope so too. They want it to be an evergreen system.
deep pawn
Remix and Retail are the same "live patch" team
green moth
since they added a "The War Within" model for a calendar event, first thing we need to do when we login is check if they made an event for TWW launch and then claim that is the official release date without any confirmation.
rugged kindle
Again, why they care is beyond me, it's a stupid as hell hill to die on
they have been chosing a lot of stupid hills to die on recently e.e
austere gazelle
The nerf on remix are some of those hills
deep pawn
The RWF and even most Hall of Fame types will be doing m0 splits if they're available
rugged kindle
unless delves turn out to be good ways to obtain prog gear
upper pasture
Well we already know delves are supposed to give heroic level gear at the max reward. Assumingly one a week from vault
jade basalt
Remix and Retail are the same "live patch" team
Yes and no. It's actually the "Live Game" team and they take care of in-between major patch content. Turbulent Timeways, Secrets of Azeroth, all the holiday updates and Anniversary, Plunderstorm, Remix, that's the Live Game team. They kind of get to try things out and see how it goes.
But for example Fyrakk attacks for 10.1, Dream infusions in 10.2, that was your normal Quest team. Not Live Game.
deep pawn
I'm gonna guess my beta account is wow9
rugged kindle
i dont even have the option to choose wow accounts when selecting TWW beta option
deep pawn
This new change to crests in M+ is something I do not like
It's a stupid change I feel cause the way it worked now was for m+ at least it was supposed to give you a way to upgrade the gear you can loot to max
Like +7s will drop gear that require gildeds
green moth
I'm out of the loop, what are they doing to loot in M+?
jade basalt
So it's not that Remix and Retail are the same live team
It's more that "Retail" can now be EITHER Live Game team content OR quest team content
zealous sedge
Yes I think for Gilded crests only being from 9s and above is a bad move. They are looking at metrics from s4 and I bet the majority of players only spammed +6
deep pawn
So it's not that Remix and Retail are the same live team
It's more that "Retail...
My understanding is the moment a x.x.0 patch goes live, the content team moves on to the next major content patch
rugged kindle
I didnt bother going above +8 in S4
zealous sedge
I'm out of the loop, what are they doing to loot in M+?
Article just posted a little bit ago. They changed which M+ lvl you get certain types of crests
jade basalt
My understanding is the moment a x.x.0 patch goes live, the content team moves o...
Yes. Well, technically they work multiple patches at the same time. It's not 10.1 then 10.2, they work on both 10.1 and 10.2 at the same time. (But one is always ahead of the other.)
zealous sedge
So like Gilded( aspect ) crests only drop from +9 instead of +6
upper pasture
eh, still only 2 affixes
rugged kindle
Weathered (Whelpling) Harbinger Crest - Now obtained from Heroic difficulty dungeons, in addition to LFR Nerub-ar Palace and many outdoor activities.
Carved (Drake) Harbinger Crest - Now obtained from M0 dungeons, in addition to Normal Nerub-ar Palace and some outdoor activities.
Runed (Wyrm) Harbinger Crest - Now obtained from +4 to +8 keystones (was +2 to +5) and Heroic Nerub-ar Palace.
Gilded (Aspect) Harbinger Crest - Now obtained from +9 or higher keystones (was higher than +6) and Mythic Nerub-ar Palace.
zealous sedge
Is it? I though 3rd affix kicks in at +9
upper pasture
it's at 10 no?
zealous sedge
I could be wrong
deep pawn
It's +10
austere gazelle
Mmm their system is somehow screwed now. If you have guild running heroic raid but no mythic, and that people don't do MM+9 in casual guild, then the drop of the heroic raid is basically worthless ( since you can't uprade it past 515 atm without aspects)
upper pasture
pretty sure i did two 9s last night and there was no bolstering
rugged kindle
3rd affix is 10
zealous sedge
Okay good. Then this change isn’t terrible I guess
austere gazelle
Okay good. Then this change isn’t terrible I guess
its terrible for " casual guilds "
rugged kindle
going to push a lot of casuals into harder content they didnt wanna do
austere gazelle
+6 was somehow manageable for casual player to gain aspects to upgrade heroic loot , now it will be a lot harder for them,
wintry glacier
Is that a known bug ?
zealous sedge
I guess so. Will delves bridge the gap?
rugged kindle
not a bug
pulsar minnow
servers aren't up
deep pawn
Is that a known bug ?
you're on the ptr account too anyways I think
austere gazelle
I guess so. Will delves bridge the gap?
it'll still be heroic gear, atm if you don't farm aspect heroic is capped at 515, which is the same as a max ilvl gear from normal raid
rugged kindle
I guess so. Will delves bridge the gap?
I am hoping devles replace mythic+ dungs or at least give people an alternative comparable to m+
zealous sedge
My question is, if you are a casual gamer, do you really need aspect (gilded) crests?
It’s a serious question. Not trying to disparage
pulsar minnow
I mean if you're only doing world content probably not
molten niche
I am hoping devles replace mythic+ dungs or at least give people an alternative ...
delves will give hero gear in ur vault but u ahve to complete it within a time limit or death limit
zealous sedge
I’m sure delves will reward crests too?
austere gazelle
My question is, if you are a casual gamer, do you really need aspect (gilded) cr...
I take my guild as exemple : we don't do mythic raiding, we stop at heroic, half the raid is doing mythic +, other half do not. Heroic gear drop, the half who do not do mm+ cannot upgrade their gear past 515, which is the same as looting a normal raid gear.
molten niche
maybe but i doubt it
wintry glacier
servers aren't up
oh ok, ty
clear apex
Today's gonna be over before it goes up for real
wintry glacier
you're on the ptr account too anyways I think
on the Main Profile but Beta select.
zealous sedge
I take my guild as exemple : we don't do mythic raiding, we stop at heroic, half...
I get it. My other question is if you don’t do mythic raiding do you really need to progress beyond 515? You can get the heroic raid done without it right?
rugged kindle
casual players still like to see that ilvl number go up
zealous sedge
I understand the power fantasy tho if that’s the part that is bad
austere gazelle
I get it. My other question is if you don’t do mythic raiding do you really need...
you don't but what the point doing Heroic raid if you drop stuff that equal normal raiding?
zealous sedge
you don't but what the point doing Heroic raid if you drop stuff that equal norm...
True.
austere gazelle
An easy fix would be to make aspects drop from heroic end boss raid
zealous sedge
Maybe they will make a change to affixes?
To make it more accessible for casual players
rugged kindle
doubt
upper pasture
we have like 4 strings for new affixes
zealous sedge
An easy fix would be to make aspects drop from heroic end boss raid
Yes I think the last two bosses of any heroic raid should drop the highest level crests tbh
molten niche
they need affixes that arent for healers lol
rugged kindle
dont worry everyone its lunch time in cali so we will see servers up in another 2-7 hours 🙂
ionic terrace
Twitter
zealous sedge
We still have all of beta to complain about the crest change so that’s good
austere gazelle
they need affixes that arent for healers lol
and that are both melee and ranged in equal difficulty. Spiteful is horrible in melee, particularly when there are huge pull
zealous sedge
Hopefully they bump it down.
deep pawn
This also messes up the "every key level increases rewards"
austere gazelle
My main point would be to make affix tied to specific dungeon, X dungeon can have this and this affixes on a weekly rotation. Which would solve certain affix being horrible in certain dungeon
deep pawn
As it stands you either get higher ilvl in the vault, the end of dungeon chest, or a better crest
austere gazelle
( quacking when you need to pack for exemple )
deep pawn
every key level 2-10
that goes away with this crest change if say +9 gives hero 2/6 and gilded crests
+6 does nothing now
austere gazelle
+6 does nothing now
they should basically remove the time for key up to +6 lol
zealous sedge
They are obviously making this change based off metrics from s4. I’m sure most people were just spamming 6s for the crests and some try hard in Blizz did not like that.
austere gazelle
I do hope they'll reverse this change
upper pasture
no crests in 2s either. hmmm...
austere gazelle
no crests in 2s either. hmmm...
yeah, if those key level are just for the glory , remove the timer then
deep pawn
I have to imagine it's carved/drake for low keys
zealous sedge
What’s the point of having 2s or 3s if no crests drop? Absolutely does not make sense.
deep pawn
they will probably drop carved
austere gazelle
We'll be waiting an official statement on this I think
silent urchin
If m0 is tuned slightly lower then I don't think its much of a change
and I suspect it will be because a lot of people had a bad experience with the jump to mythic this season
deep pawn
Notes
zealous sedge
Oh shizzz
silent urchin
‘These Go To Eleven’ is a separate Beta region that is focused on end-game content and has multiple vendors setup to allow players to quickly and easily test out content.``` oohoh dang
icy laurel
im confused as i never do betas....i see the beta can be DLd....but is it playable right now?
candid ruin
Step 1) Download beta
Step 2) wait for servers to come up
zealous sedge
```END-GAME REALM: ‘THESE GO TO ELEVEN’
‘These Go To Eleven’ is a separate Beta ...
That’s cool. Is that new for a beta?
silent urchin
They've had max level templates before but I don't recall exactly how
this does seem slightly different
zealous sedge
https://i.imgur.com/K4VJnTH.png
So are there any hero talents fleshed out for hunter yet or are they just not done?
rugged kindle
usually the vendor stuff is in alphas
beta typically is more so the experience of the launch minus a few quests/cut-scenes... also the ability to skip to max level ofc
silent urchin
hero talents are in for hunters, yes
rugged kindle
at least thats how it was for wod/legion beta
The amount of talent loadouts that can be saved on a per character basis to has been increased to 40 (was 10).
thats a nice change
elder seal
Just to remind everyone that its the preoder closed beta atm. and the usual ppl who get lucky with closed beta ofc.
clear apex
They posted servers live but they're not cmon team
elder seal
wee seeing que popped from 17 to 300 wouldnt be too surprised but where that was posted 😛 ?
clear apex
i dont see a post stating anything is online
clear apex
They posted look about 15 min ago
austere gazelle
What I just see is " disconnected from server "
elder seal
riight. well the servers are still down so yeah umm
clear apex
I think they posted it too early
deep pawn
no realms available
elder seal
rugged kindle
That or our clients need to update again 😦
zealous sedge
Someone got a little antsy with the post
clear apex
I've tried updating and nothing yet
zealous sedge
It’s probably coming up soon maybe 2 PM
austere gazelle
maybe it was online for the one who made the post 😄
zealous sedge
PST
silent urchin
they're not
if you're seeing PTR you're probably selecting the wrong account
or launcher shenanigans are occuring
clear apex
Just so ya know I'm not crazy
rugged kindle
if you're seeing PTR you're probably selecting the wrong account
i dont have an option to select account
clear apex
I can't choose my wow1 account for beta when it asks
rugged kindle
clear apex
Yeah you can try to log on but no servers up
elder seal
https://i.imgur.com/quMxsuZ.png
Thats been like that for hours you know
rugged kindle
yea i know
deep pawn
DPS trinkets and items with additional effects reduced by 33% for tank and healer specializations.
Developer’s note: Tanks and healers choosing to wear damage trinkets have often seen them contribute a disproportionate and unintended amount of their overall damage. DPS cantrips have further exacerbated this issue. This change is intended to shift power back into players’ class kits while reducing the opportunity cost of choosing specialized tank and healer trinkets over pure damage trinkets. This change is not retroactive.
rugged kindle
im showing that I don't have the option to select a wow account
deep pawn
HOW DARE THEY
elder seal
Because there shouldnt be an option to begin with
rugged kindle
silent urchin
choice is in game now for beta and it's pretty confusing
elder seal
Its your entire bnet acc thats linked to beta not one specific.
rugged kindle
if you're seeing PTR you're probably selecting the wrong account
is what i was responding to
candid ruin
Retail has been label "the war within" since pre-purchase came out
rugged kindle
Retail has been label "the war within" since pre-purchase came out
🤦♂️
zealous sedge
Okay when it actually goes live which realm are y’all dropping into
rugged kindle
yes
zealous sedge
So I can go into a different one
clear apex
Lol
shut flare
swift willow
do i need to create a PTR Account?
rugged kindle
no
elder seal
Preferably one that looks most repulsive so ppl wont go there!
zealous sedge
clear apex
It's its own thing apart from ptr
green moth
@rugged kindle I got alpha a couple days ago, and at first it showed me PTR realms too. Everyone was saying I had to select another account, but I didn't have that option. The next day it was fixed for me and when I logged in - again no account selection - the alpha realms list showed up.
Now with beta, its showing me PTR realms again.
clear apex
Same. The few times I've been able to see the realms it's been ptr lists
rugged kindle
Thatys whats happening with me currently, and people keep errin that you have to select the correct wow account... There is litterally now to select a wow account LOL
clear apex
I get asked to select
My main acc is wow 1 and wow 2 is my ptr, wow 1 isn't on the list
elder seal
ppl are talking lot of BS. shouldnt need to choose acc for betarealms.
Maybe thats just me and im just being delusional
I might be lying ofc! 
zealous sedge
They added a new tab
clear apex
Oh the realms list changed!
hoary trail
mine keeps changing too
zealous sedge
Oh shit it just changed again
hoary trail
swapping from these go to eleven and showing alleria/kadgar realms
clear apex
I didn't have a tab at the bottom though
zealous sedge
Haha some server engineer gotta be sweating right now
clear apex
All the realms disappeared but one
zealous sedge
I’ve got 3 now
clear apex
rugged kindle
i dont have that
zealous sedge
Ooop they took of test realms tab
zealous sedge
Never mind it’s back
elder seal
The real question is that does anyone happen to rmbr where is the L letter in Tree map in Bug's Life on PS1 ? Nobody really cares about Beta
rugged kindle
during the SoD release they memed with the server names
naming one of them "Streamer server" etc
clear apex
Good
rugged kindle
clear apex
Make them go there
rugged kindle
thats sick
clear apex
I need it
swift willow
gimme
austere gazelle
spooky
swift willow
53 min to the Deadline xD
rugged kindle
This hollows event boutta be lit
clear apex
53 min to the Deadline xD
What deadline
rugged kindle
there was no deadline...?
clear apex
Oh like midnight in other places
austere gazelle
of beta being released the 5th
swift willow
What deadline
then its the next Day in Germany : P
clear apex
Well tbf
June 5th for America
rugged kindle
News flash it was the 6th in aussie land hours ago
austere gazelle
America is not the center of the world though xD
clear apex
It was already June 5th in Australia
clear apex
America is not the center of the world though xD
But it's where blizzard is
rugged kindle
America is not the center of the world though xD
but its where the company is located
swift willow
America is not the center of the world though xD
Germany is xD
zealous sedge
So can’t even get into the realm list I keep getting disconnected. Not complaining but want to see if everyone else is seeing the same
swift willow
nah jk
swift willow
So can’t even get into the realm list I keep getting disconnected. Not complaini...
just try it a few times ... it took me about 3 Times till i got connected to it
green moth
America is not the center of the world though xD
what is the center then?
clear apex
And they're in pacific time so that's 3 hours behind east coast
austere gazelle
but its where the company is located
true xD but at this point why not releasing it yesterday during the weekly NA maintenance?
austere gazelle
what is the center then?
there is no center
zealous sedge
Also for the end game content realm, will we be able to queue for delves? Cause it says you can’t go into the outdoor zones
green moth
there is no center
I'm pretty sure there is a center, its just very hot there
clear apex
My bnet just said servers are live??
rugged kindle
true xD but at this point why not releasing it yesterday during the weekly NA ma...
Less stress on the team/servers, also gave people 24+ hours to do their weekly reset stuffs before switching over to TWW beta
swift willow
I'm pretty sure there is a center, its just very hot there
nahhh its really Cold there : P
rugged kindle
only 502 in queue
candid ruin
you should know already that their words aren't gospel
zealous sedge
for those hunters out there a blue post confirmed there will be changes to the talent trees
clear apex
They already fooled us on Facebook
candid ruin
what they say might be true always a 50/50
rugged kindle
what they say **might** be true always a 50/50
more like 45/55