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silent urchin
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https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Novel_guide has them in publication order as well as timeline order. Although I think most of the earlier stuff is.. not completely accurate when considering current canon

Warcraft Wiki

Interested in reading some of the Warcraft publications, but unsure where to start? Here's the answer! Your very own novel guide.

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anything after tides of war I think is pretty much fine in terms of still being pretty accurate canon? Not 100% sure, but I've never been too bothered by it personally

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I think most of the expansion tie ins are pretty stand alone, so a reading order might not be too important

zealous sedge
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For sure, thanks! Yeah, I kind of just want to get the smaller nuances of the lore that may or may not be that prevalent in the actual game. There is certainly a lot of things on that list. Am I missing anything of if I stay away from the comics/ Manga/ lore guides?

silent urchin
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I know very little about those

zealous sedge
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Cool, no worries!

zealous sedge
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I also found a great two part Reddit post(s) that gets updated when new stuff comes out incase anyone is interested. Not sure if they include non cannon stuff though.

harsh mason
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Yea, but 7.1 this was part of the start content. Like, it was all the first raid tier-nighthold

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It's a little sad that they no longer do “start” raids with mini villains.

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And immediately with the main antagonist of the first raid tier

mossy flare
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lmfao i hate these dungeons in this expansion
they all suck
all of them
The past 3 expansions had much better dungeon content.

tropic trail
# zealous sedge For sure, thanks! Yeah, I kind of just want to get the smaller nuances of the lo...
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warm topaz
warm topaz
tropic trail
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Hype!

rain cave
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and magni has more character in that cinematic than he had in bfa in some ways 😭

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was interesting to see thrall frustrated like that, I thought he resolved his elemental connection issues?

dense plover
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It’s the overwhelming feelings coming from Azeroth that’s frustrating

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It’s too much for everyone

deep pawn
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The Elements are angry if we're to believe the Gazlowe story.

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Could be it's because Azeroth is unstable

dense plover
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Yeah there’s a lot of elemental upset on Khaz Algar

deep pawn
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Xal'atath wants us angry, but what does she want us to kill?

hazy kettle
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neko_drool || That smirk is so well done ||

tropic trail
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She wants to distract us and so the void lord will eat the planet

deep pawn
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Nah, she has a goal for that fury

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Question is where she'll aim it since we know it won't be at the other faction.

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The Harronir seem unlikely.

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Is there a Keeper doing crap?

hazy kettle
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Quick idea: we've been 'in contact' / heard of the serpent a few times before, at least once in Shadowlands and once in DF via the cloak / the trinket (?)...
Is it possible she's playing all sides because she's figured out there's something beyond the 6 realms / forces?

deep pawn
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You'll have to remind me, I don't recall of a serpent.

hazy kettle
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I know that's already pretty far down the crack-pipe, but still. fatthunk Perhaps it's too far, considering they're setting up a pay-off that's likely NOT at the end of TLT ( the last titan ).

hazy kettle
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Not even joking (bar the naming I just gave 'em), the first ones knew (or even were direct antagonists to) some giant creature... hang on, lemme find some tidbits on it.

deep pawn
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you mean the devoureres in general?

hazy kettle
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My dude Algalon literally worries about what the heck I'm cooking up here. bcaGuiltySweat I'm both honoured and scared to disappoint.

harsh mason
hazy kettle
harsh mason
deep pawn
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Not helpless, angry.

harsh mason
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And they were furious with despair. They are very easy to manipulate and use in any way you want.

tropic trail
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I like this cinematic

harsh mason
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She literally says that "all that remains is anger"

silent urchin
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If magni can't speak to azeroth, and neither can thrall access the elements, I presume azeroth is being blocked somehow

harsh mason
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That is, to bring us to a state where we fly away just in desperation to get angry, unable to change anything

silent urchin
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and the immediate target for us is being aimed at the titans by xalatath

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Ultimately I still think it's coming down to a battle between all the fundamental cosmic forces

deep pawn
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Except we know the titans ain't coming to say hello for at least 3-4 years

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so it has to be something a tad more immediate

silent urchin
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Xalatath is apparently the face of the void but I think there's more to her than that

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Well, the battle between all the forces is the whole of the saga

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But titan forces are still rpesent

hazy kettle
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@deep pawn I swear, I'm feeling like I'm crashing from a high rn. toespanic I know I read something about a serpent in particular, at some point, being another creature out there like the First Ones.

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Swearing it on Knifu. Prayge

tropic trail
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Ouroboros

upper pasture
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Are you talking about the serpent pet we got from the niffen zone? The one we had to build with all the things from the digs and whatnot

dense plover
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Another 11.X vendor build

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Build probably today or tomorrow before beta to test important fixes before beta is my guess

silent urchin
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I expect we get the build on weds with beta

dense plover
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I’m literally thinking the opposite

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I figured they want to test the bugs and do another patch

silent urchin
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not a lot of time for that

zealous sedge
warm topaz
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yep

silent urchin
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the dragon soul but older and fancier

warm topaz
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here you can see her

zealous sedge
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Ah got it. Really curious about what she meant by using our “fury”

hazy kettle
# tropic trail Ouroboros

Prolly inspired by it, ye. I'm giving up, can't find it rn. T_ T It's on the level of the First Ones, but... yeah, I'm starting to XDoubt myself. GN8 fellas. ❤️

tropic trail
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Infinity snake eating its own tail.

zealous sedge
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New goblin short story? Undermine basically confirmed for sure

granite flame
austere gazelle
deep pawn
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Earthmother is likely Azeroth herself

deep pawn
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Spitballing, but what if 13.0 brought back Order Halls and had the aspects giving specs weapons.

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Kalecgos could do Dev, Arcane, both Frosts, and disc for example. Disc is a stretch but gotta spread the healers out some.

dense plover
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they dont really redo mechanics and theyre not doing borrowed power anymore

deep pawn
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14.0 is almost certainly gonna be a clear the board and restart expansion. It'd be the perfect time to do artifact weapons one last time.

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They've basically said the bloat is a future blizzard problem, but I'm expecting a level and stat squish after TLT

upper pasture
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You already out here talking 14.0 when we got 3 whole expansions. I believe they said there would be a squish after midnight. Not after TLT. So it would probably be prepatch of 13.0

deep pawn
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They've done squishes close together

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We've had squishes in WoD, BfA, and SL right. So squishes in 12 then
14 won't be weird

upper pasture
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Yes but if they are planning a squish at the start of 13.0 they most certainly aren’t planning another one at 14.0

deep pawn
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We're getting squished in 12.0 already

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I'm saying we get level squish in 14.0 to take us from 100 back to 50

upper pasture
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They said they planned on squishing after midnight not during

deep pawn
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No, before Midnight

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It's why people are confused they are waiting vs doing it now at the start of the saga

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Even the added power we get in midnight is gonna be pushing how much they can do and make individual parts of the kit feel impactful

upper pasture
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Ah before midnight. Either way. I’m don’t see them giving us borrowed power as a “treat” before whatever they have in store post world soul saga

deep pawn
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13.0 and TLT is gonna be so bloated we're gonna be begging for a reset

upper pasture
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Wdym, wow seems less bloated than ever before. Next expansion we’re getting hero talents which at the end of the day is just a 3rd talent tree that has very minimal choice

deep pawn
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Hero trees are 20% of our power roughly. If each expansion system is about the same. In TLT our base talents will be 50% of our power

pulsar minnow
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Whos to say next expansion they don’t just add new hero talents? On top of what we have. More stuff to swap between

upper pasture
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That’s the thing, we don’t even know what’s coming next. Could be extra hero talent trees

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So instead of 2 choices we have 4

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Or a rework of our class/spec talents

deep pawn
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Holly already implied something entirely new for Midnight

upper pasture
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No reason to assume it’s gonna be another new power system layered ontop of what we already have

pulsar minnow
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We were told midnight would have features that blow our socks off. Might just be player housing 🤷‍♂️

deep pawn
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Okay, so what do you do with the existing hero trees, people who like those get no new shiny system if they don't like say blood mage

upper pasture
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More choice would be a bad thing?

pulsar minnow
deep pawn
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More choices aren't how they make you feel more powerful expansion to expansion

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They've admitted borrowed power failed and they'll worry about bloat in the future

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But there'll come a point they have to

worn crown
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Good Lord, I hope to never see borrowed power again

deep pawn
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Would you call hero talents borrowed power if they lasted 3 expansions and then the most popular parts got baked into the new tree?

upper pasture
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Eh, it gives you a reason to play, I think it would be best to have borrowed power but make it some way to have a fast catchup mechanic for players coming back late in the expansion.

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Personally I think it’s pretty boring to hit max level then have nothing really powerwise to look forward to other than gear.

deep pawn
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I'm just guessing Blizzard has committed itself to 3 expansions of adding new things for the saga. We won't have a better time then after the saga to refresh the progression systems and go back to level 50 again.

pulsar minnow
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See like artifacts would be awesome to have again, but the main system they had is basically already fulfilled by our current talent tree system

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Maybe the return of glyphs would be nice

deep pawn
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Hero trees are basically already artifacts without a weapon attached

pulsar minnow
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It’s a weird tightrope to walk with consistently adding new fun ways to play your class along with avoiding button/ability bloat and the times they’ve “culled” abilities like in Legion, it was met with pretty mixed reception.

deep pawn
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That's why I think we could see something like Artifacts in TLT as it's the finale and they can cash in on some nostalgia. Like I'm already on the side we'll have a rebuilt Dalaran as our capital in TLT

pulsar minnow
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Icecrown with a more… happy makeover could also be a sick capital for the expansion 🤷‍♂️

deep pawn
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It's still pure Saronite

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That's not a place to set up for long.

pulsar minnow
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I mean, yeah but at the same time we have the Ebon blade operating out of it and they’re fine

deep pawn
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Only the undead seem to be immune to void corruption

pulsar minnow
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Still pretty confused if Bolvar is undead or not

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Because he died but he also didn’t?

deep pawn
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I don't think he was until he put the crown on.

pulsar minnow
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The crown doesn’t make the wearer undead tho?

deep pawn
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It's iffy.

pulsar minnow
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Arthas only became undead because he tore out his heart offscreen

deep pawn
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But yeah, only the undead are immune to void and it's why the void hates Sylvanas

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So we can't set up camp in a building made of Saronite

ember blaze
deep pawn
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Like I said, Blizzard is aware it'll be an issue, but for now they don't want to take anything away

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So that's why hero talents are staying

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I would consider them crazy if they stay as they are past TLT though

ember blaze
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they should take a lot away 😎

tepid fiber
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He was already undead before he put on the Crown of Domination--and it's said that only the dead can use it which is why Bolvar volunteered in the first place when Tyrion tried to take it

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Arthas himself became an undead when he lost his soul to Frostmourne

pulsar minnow
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I guess he’s the “bridge” between life and death for a reason

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Not quite dead, not quite alive either

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Which I guess is just… undead

tepid fiber
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I saw it as he was raised into undeath but purged of the Scourge Blight

pulsar minnow
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I saw it more like he was on the very brink of death but saved by the flame

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Sort of like someone who died, but was brought back moments after

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But I guess it’ll just remain vague

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Because the best thing blizz could ever do with Bolvar was just… not give him screen time

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Still annoys me. Shadowlands sucked (crazy take I know)

tepid fiber
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Not a crazy take, just an exhausting repetitive one dracthyr_hehe

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At least we can agree that Bolvar is extra crispy, not original recipe

pulsar minnow
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Mainly relating to the art direction and introduction of the first ones as a concept

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I think the first ones were a desperately needed addition to the game to expand the cosmology out and give the game more mystery again after we just murder-hobo’d a literal titan

deep pawn
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what the hell is being updated on the 10.2.6 ptr

silent urchin
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I don't see a 10.2.6 build

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it'll likely get reused for 11.0 prepatch

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10.2.7 tends to get the hotfixes/rollups first, so that has a couple updates

dense plover
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to be the same as the current build

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or maybe they updated 10.2.6 ptr to also be 10.2.7

deep pawn
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nah, my 10.2.6 udpated, but it's still an older build

tropic trail
dense plover
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the breath of alexstrasza

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he is both dead and alive but not undead

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wrathgate is one of my favorite wow moments i experienced DURING wrath

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its one of the first things i remember seeing and thinking - damn, I want to play this game forever

tropic trail
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Yea, that was legendary 😁

ionic terrace
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alpha shutdown

deep pawn
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wooo

thin warren
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wooooooh

dense plover
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Probably not coming back up before tomorrow

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Unless it’s just a restart

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If they’re doing a new build and wiping for beta it probably won’t come up until tomorrow

deep pawn
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I want notes today still

ionic terrace
deep pawn
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bleh, quiet day then

silent urchin
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hmm

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is the wowhead bluetracker broken

warm topaz
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yep

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well not broken, but sometimes it doesn't work correctly

zealous sedge
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Am I encouraging bad behavior by purchasing the epic edition lol

pulsar minnow
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Nah. Some people are gonna say “don’t pre-order” and all that but frankly it never rlly makes a difference. What the dev team cares about is subs

uncut vault
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I'm blanking, is start of beta when addons start being enabled, or is that not until a later build?

deep pawn
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no idea

silent urchin
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We've had addons for a bit on alpha

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but they might turn them off again on beta

feral belfry
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I haven't paid a much attention to the alpha/PTR and stuff like that. I'm just wondering if there has been any more movement to control or support and or in the accessibility area. I'm just quite fascinated in that area and just curious if they've been doing any more improvements yet.

deep pawn
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Not much beyond arachnophobia mode

zealous sedge
austere gazelle
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do you think the prepatch will be released before Remix end ?

deep pawn
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I don't

upper pasture
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i would be sorta weird if they did. since our remix characters wouldn't be able to do the prepatch stuff

silent urchin
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I think they were already a bit vague on remix end date and that it might be extended

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presumably to bring us up to prepatch

deep pawn
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Absolutely, but I'm pretty sure they really want that 8/20 date

upper pasture
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vague with the end date of remix? it's been on screen since the start of remix

deep pawn
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they've said it's not set in stone

silent urchin
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In some of the interviews they very much implied it might last longer

deep pawn
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But they still seem very set on schedules, and this streamer might have been kidding, but they said they were told the tentative release dates for 12.0 and 13.0

silent urchin
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yeah that's definitely bullshit

upper pasture
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maybe they were told 2026/2028

silent urchin
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unless by date they just mean like Q2 2026

upper pasture
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but like nothing beyond that

deep pawn
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I'm sure Blizzard at least knows the quarter they're aiming for

upper pasture
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yeah blizzard knows but they aren't sharing with streamers this far out

austere gazelle
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yeah, so expansion release during septembre / early october max

upper pasture
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i hope remix gets extended and they add more stuff lol

austere gazelle
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It'd make sense to make Remix => Prepatch ( with all three awakened raid available, allowing ppl get stuff easier ) then expansion one month later

upper pasture
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i'm almost done with buying everything

silent urchin
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hoping they fix the ensembles and add arsenals

upper pasture
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there was a bunch of recolors of unused battle pets too someone complied a list

deep pawn
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It's gonna be fun that we're likely gonna have the reveal event for Midnight early next year

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If we assume no more awakened seasons at least we'd be looking at Q1 2026 for Midnight so that would mean alpha in a year.

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I doubt Blizzard could make that kind of schedule though

austere gazelle
deep pawn
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Well they can't wait for the 2.7 patch to start alpha without awakened, so may just need to suck it up on the spoilers, or do more of FF14 and encrypt all npcs

austere gazelle
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I'm not even sure that'll be possible since the whole setup of the expansion will be a direct consequence of what will happen in the last raid ( or I think so )

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We already know Xal will somehow win but how is the question

deep pawn
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If we stick with 6 month seasons roughly that would put the final tier of TWW by my guess in October of next year

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Alpha starts like right after the RWF ends

austere gazelle
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that'd make sense. We still have to wait for the reveal of " how they'll tackle expansion and speed the story " that metzen said they would share later after blizzcon

deep pawn
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That'd probably be in their 2025 roadmap

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Cause they'll put Midnight alpha on it if there's no awakened

austere gazelle
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yeah I'd like they stop these hollow season, and put bullion for all the season from start ( available once the RTWF of this current tier is over )

last spindle
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Does anyone know what time the Beta download releases?

harsh wedge
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in 10 to 12 hours if they follow the usual alpha patch notes, no real way to know

last spindle
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They could have at least let us pre-download the beta if anything

harsh wedge
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In a way, not letting us pre-download is the "best way" to stagger the number of players that will try to enter it, as the wave will be way bigger than usual (faster download speed will go first, then others)

deep pawn
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there used to be a way to install it earlier, but I think that's gone now

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thankfully it'll use most of the data you already have installed

austere gazelle
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Well they'll use your actual wow installation as template and update it with beta anyway

elder seal
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Maybe its just me but wasnt beta supposed to start today and not tomorrow??

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Suppose i misremembered

silent urchin
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Yes, it's due today

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but likely not for at least 7 hours

elder seal
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Interesting it starts so late. oh well

harsh wedge
elder seal
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Assumming / understanding it works that way i have to do "nightshifting" if i want to update some database screenshots when it finally comes to beta then 😂 ... If the Beta realms use NA nightcycle its morning ingame while its night here irl.

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Havent been in any Closed Betas since Cata so been an while

pulsar minnow
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It’s rlly just whenever the devs get into the office tbh. They’re probably still asleep rn

elder seal
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NA would be complaining anyways if beta started during nighttime for them

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just like im doing that somewhat rn lmao

tepid fiber
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Workday hasn't started in California yet

austere gazelle
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Sometime it might even be later if unexpected issue occurs ( which might happen )

pulsar minnow
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Sort of weird lore idea. But I kinda just wanted to float it around

green moth
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The void lord is a spacegoat?

pulsar minnow
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Someone in here mentioned that the shard of void/light used to make Ashbringer might be connected to either the naaru or beledar

green moth
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aww :c

pulsar minnow
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That too!

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Clearly those earthen goats can’t be trusted

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But I almost wonder if Shalamayne might get some modifications thru beledar

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Especially since Magni is here and he’s worked with that material before

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Basically I’m saying it’d be cool if Shalamayne is gets an Ashbringer enhancement. Idk what significance to the story it’d have, or if it’d even make sense but it could be cool

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I could see Shalamayne’s halves becoming light and void. Or light and death

austere gazelle
austere gazelle
# pulsar minnow I could see Shalamayne’s halves becoming light and void. Or light and death

I think that might be where the story is going. We just saw a sort of unification of Life and Death, in a " crown of Harmony " , and maybe this whole story will be how Azeroth is bringing everything togeter, that her song is restoring the balance and uniting opposite forces, like a Spirit beacon ( spirit is an element that made the Elemental forces lives in harmony too, there is a silver lining there )
So Anduin wielding both the Light and Shadow is something that I could see happening

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And later down the line, by the end of midnight, having Light and Shadow working together , too, somehow ( that would also explain why the titans will be very mad at this )

pulsar minnow
subtle oar
austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
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Just really curious what they actually intend to do with Anduin and Thrall’s respective arcs. I feel if it’s just them getting their same class back with like zero change it’d be super lame

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Like woo boy Anduin is just back to being a priest after learning to rely on his sword for the past 5 years, rather than rerolling Paladin or some new class

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Or hey… Thrall can just use the elements. There’s gotta be a message or a change for these two

austere gazelle
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Thinking about the spirit I mentionned, maybe that's the key, if you bind or use the spirit element to control light and shadow in harmony , anduin can achieve a new path.
Elements being used in harmony with spirit could also be a way for thrall to gain back an higher mastery of his elemental power.

tepid fiber
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The weapon is a crutch--and in a lot of ways, Anduin is using his father's sword as one too in the last few years

pulsar minnow
tepid fiber
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He's trying too much to be the king his father was, not the kind of king he is himself

pulsar minnow
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He keeps thinking he needs to fill his fathers shoes not that he can outgrow them

tepid fiber
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The sword just emphasizes that metaphor

pulsar minnow
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Yeah

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I honestly don’t even know if Thrall needs the elements anymore

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He’s insanely skilled with weapons as it is

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And I think that might be the problem he’s having. Sorta like Thor in Ragnarok

tepid fiber
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His issue is that the only reason he can't commune with them is because he still has his own self doubt to get over. The elements like confidence

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Thrall suffers from the same type of insecurity as Anduin does in that case, because they keep trying to compare themselves to someone else or the visualization of what people expect them to be

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Basically just a reskin of imposter syndrome

pulsar minnow
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I just hope thralls arc isn’t just “hey guys I’m confident in myself again!” And boom he has the elements. I rlly want thrall to have something more complicated than that

tepid fiber
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It's a very common trope you see in leaders with good intentions in stories

pulsar minnow
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Bc thralls direction is more confusing. Whereas Anduin has so many different options and directions to take him with his pre established dual nature

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Also I could definitely see them creating a new class based off Azerite magic stuff - could be an option for those two

tepid fiber
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Honestly we just need more cosmetic glyphs instead of new classes and specs dracthyr_hehe

pulsar minnow
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I just want a spell blade man

tepid fiber
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It would address, like, the majority of the class flavor complaints

pulsar minnow
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I think we’re for sure heading that direction

tepid fiber
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See? Just need glyphs dracthyr_hehe

pulsar minnow
tepid fiber
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Instead of pistol shot you're using an arcane bolt fired from your hand

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Ezpz

deep pawn
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They're getting angrier

tepid fiber
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Oh yeah that's a thing too, but I was speaking specifically about the Thrall/Anduin parallels

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Not really talking about what's going on with the elements

pulsar minnow
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Is thrall still the world shaman or has he given that up (or can you even give that up?)

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Bc I think he still is right?

tepid fiber
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He doesn't go by that anymore, not since passing the responsibility off to the Earthen Ring after the Cataclysm and Legion

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Remember that by BFA he was living in Nagrand

deep pawn
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He's still a Farseer for sure though. Aggra recently became one herself too.

tepid fiber
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Well yeah that's different

pulsar minnow
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Well he doesn’t go by it but he’s still the world shaman in some capacity

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Like I dont think he can exactly give that up

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I’m trying to say he’s more tied to the elements than most. In comparison to the player character

tepid fiber
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Think of a shaman as medic, Farseer as a Doctor and a World Shaman as a Surgeon General or Chief of Medicine

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If that makes sense

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A Farseer is an incredibly trained, proficient, and recognized shaman and has a title that recognizes them as such while the other is a very specific position

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And similar to how the Horde doesn't need a Warchief since it's not at war anymore, the Earthen Ring doesn't really have World Shaman at the moment

wintry yew
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Is the Beta live? Just checking to see if my client is working or not

austere gazelle
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it's not. Wait at the very least one more hour ( or several )

gilded gull
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Just coming to check the same... I bought Epic but not seeing it in the Battle.net client

pulsar minnow
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It’s not up yet

mossy galleon
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hi

dusk dagger
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lol

mossy galleon
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nop

hollow harness
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up for download 🙂

warm topaz
robust zinc
icy laurel
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so do you download both? never done beta before

hoary loom
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Beta=Beta , 11.0 = Prepatch

warm topaz
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just Beta

icy laurel
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thanks

warm topaz
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what you see as PTR 11.0 is 10.2.7 PTR

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they just rename it

mossy galleon
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for me shows:

green moth
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Great, its giving me incompatible realms again

whole junco
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+1

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aint working

silent urchin
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build isn't out yet, it's still the old alpha one

rugged kindle
# whole junco +1

Fully restart your client, close the bnet app including the task bar background portion

green moth
#

which realms are you seeing when you start beta?

rugged kindle
rugged kindle
#

Realms are not up yet

green moth
#

ah okey, nvm then, I thought I hade the same bug as with alpha

rugged kindle
whole junco
#

they better hurry up

whole junco
rugged kindle
#

They are most likely flagging epic edition accounts in waves, starting with US and moving around the world.

whole junco
#

oh yea

#

another 2-3h of waiting

rugged kindle
#

You will get access. Your not missing out on anything right now. Servers are not even up. Not to mention progress won't be saved when the xpac goes live.

hollow harness
austere gazelle
#

same

green moth
austere gazelle
#

same here

green moth
#

those are ptr realms

tepid fiber
#

He probably assumed because this is the ptr channel

austere gazelle
#

yeah but I'm connected on the Beta client 🙂

#

they are probably merging PTR realm with beta to test 11.0 stuff

tepid fiber
#

That makes sense

silent urchin
#

you can do weird stuff with what realms show up

#

cause part of its managed by launcher

#

if you launch retail, then ptr, then DC and try and reconnect on retail you see PTR realms

#

whichever you launched more recently

austere gazelle
#

well, not in my case, was on retail , logged out then launched the beta client

austere gazelle
rugged kindle
#

Those were the servers showing on the beta client yes. They have not updated the realm list on the beta client yet as the servers are not online yet.

austere gazelle
#

and it shows

#

' some realm might not be available '

#

language change does not work though... annoying.

rugged kindle
#

It actually shows "Certains Royaumes peuvent etre actuellement indisponibles"

#

e.e

austere gazelle
#

I'm not testing this on french cause translation are sometime misleading or not even implemented and it mess with some feature

#

better like this @rugged kindle ? xD

mossy galleon
#

second that 4 me

deep pawn
#

Hmm, is the new article wrong, or can Earthen actually not be priests?

harsh wedge
deep pawn
#

mmoc's fault then

#

lol, Blizzard links all achievements directly to Wowhead

rugged kindle
elder seal
#

Its semi official site but i still dont have my own NPC ingame SADCAT

#
  • i dont see closed beta visible. just the 11.0 personally
    EDIT: and now it appears when i complain woah
deep pawn
#

11.1?

elder seal
#

Yeah, correction 11.0

#

I havent checked how much content was posted when it comes regarding to screenshots in WoWhead but except me to post some for War Within so i dont need to focus on em so much when retail hits peepohappyturtle

#

Assuming i can find the most dead server first ofc haha

clear apex
#

Servers still down? cat_cry

rugged kindle
green moth
#

what if there is only 2

rugged kindle
#

Good luck questing if thats the case

green moth
#

but sharding and layering?

zealous sedge
#

Earthen are able to be tested on Beta?

dense plover
#

they will be yeah

zealous sedge
#

Cool. Still debating on whether or not to test beta. Really want to check out hero talents and delves but also don’t want to spoil too much for myself.

dusk dagger
#

i wanna test classes see what to main

#

i wasn't a fan of DF classes, so barely played it. but for TWW they look more fun

rugged kindle
#

I doubt much of the story/quests will change much from beta to live.

At least from what I remember during legion beta the onlything missing were a few in-game cutscenes

dusk dagger
#

WW monk seems significantly improved

#

and Arcane mage

#

A lot of unfun bloat removed

candid ruin
#

login q already with no servers up

zealous sedge
#

Yeah, I mean on one hand it’s kinda nice to know the ins and outs of the xpac on launch but also you lose that “mystery” and exploration of the game.

dusk dagger
#

Afflock also seems way better now

#

2 less dots basically

deep pawn
#

no Earthen DKs make sense

zealous sedge
#

I main a shadow priest so would be nice to see what that’s looking like. Also might get back into a DK with the rider of the apocalypse hero talents.

deep pawn
#

they aren't dead, and as far as we know, no more can be raised

zealous sedge
#

True but also they are machines technically? Or do the ones we play have the curse of flesh.

pulsar minnow
#

earthen are full machines

dusk dagger
#

im thinking either affleck or ww monk.

#

or maybe dev evoker but i only played on launch of DF and found it incredibly clunky

#

dunno if they ever fixed it. but the empower garbage would either not go off or go off early

pulsar minnow
#

And yeah empower had a lot of bugs but i think they've been fixed by now

zealous sedge
#

I’m thinking about leveling an evoker in remix, I know it wasn’t designed to level up from 10, so I hear it’s kind a clunky. But all the spells and abilities you get from the regular starting point overwhelmed me and I stopped playing at lvl 62 lol.

dusk dagger
#

and the whole Augmentation thing seems weird

#

looking at some m+ stuff it seems every group wants one mandatory. So that's tank, healer, aug. leaving only 2 spots for true dps now?

#

Weird choice by blizz IMO

deep pawn
#

aug isn't that OP this season

pulsar minnow
#

Thankfully 🙏

dusk dagger
#

oh good

pulsar minnow
#

Honestly Evoker is a really well designed class, the only downside is the armor limitations

green moth
#

the range

pulsar minnow
#

that too but it makes for more interesting gameplay imo

dusk dagger
#

is it hard to play well?

#

im lookin for something easy in TWW

pulsar minnow
#

Augmentation is very easy imo, or at least it used to be. Dev isn't that complicated once you get the idea of it

clear apex
#

It's like a very mobile mage, imo.

pulsar minnow
#

Might need addons to track disintegrate ticks and procs, but otherwise yeah

dusk dagger
#

oh you still have to clip disitingrate?

pulsar minnow
#

under certain conditions

dusk dagger
#

Arcane mage is also lookin real simple now

pulsar minnow
#

Idk about now tho

#

I barely played S3 and I started playing Pally in S4

ionic terrace
#

build out

deep pawn
#

internal error

#

lol

zealous sedge
#

I was on the fence but I’m gonna download the beta fuck it.

deep pawn
#

it's not letting me update

#

I'm in raid, but still

#

anyone else unable to patch?

#

but lol

#

not my imagew

dusk dagger
#

this is bolgni!

deep pawn
#

that photosensitivity warning loads weird

molten niche
#

beta aint even up lol i mean its up but no servers are up

deep pawn
#

give it time

green moth
deep pawn
#

refreshing for beta notes

silent urchin
#

still haven't had any luck updating

green moth
deep pawn
silent urchin
#

ah makes sense

dense plover
#

thats file changes

#

and some of those are unreadable

#

orweyna got some VO tho

#

lots of VO in general

silent urchin
#

I bet like 4000 of those modified are minimap files

dense plover
#

very possible

silent urchin
#

and then about 40 are db2 that each contain thousands of changes

dense plover
#

theres apparently a new file type

#

MMFE?

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

silent urchin
#

Doesn't seem to be something that exists generically

#

so it's a custom blizz thing

dense plover
#

yeah

#

gonna be time before thats a known thing

#

"new wdt family file
MVER MHDR MMFE"

#

3 types i guess

#

lol, still no hunter changes

rugged kindle
dense plover
#

new hallow's end assets

dense plover
#

its similar to a WDT which is whats used for minimap renders

#

its an MMFE

molten niche
#

lol how am i gonna have an update for the beta and i just installed it lol

rugged kindle
#

Welcome to blizzard games

candid ruin
elder seal
#

Beta prepping the addons LETSGO

molten niche
austere gazelle
#

curseforge client is useful for that

#

unfortunately

elder seal
#

ah lmao i only copy pasted necessary addons from retail and hope they work out.

#

thats how i usually roll

molten niche
#

yea i just copy and paste to lol

elder seal
#

99% time they do considering im not needing anything too sophiscated

rugged kindle
#

would avoid things like elvui or anything else that majorly alters the UI until the addon devs make a proper build for it

molten niche
#

i quit using all ui addons when blizz launched there own. its just way better than all the others lol

elder seal
#

Did rescan with curse client after moving the addons. would found them fine without it anyways

#

aww crap so only 5 realms for beta huh.

molten niche
#

they arent even up last time i check which was 5 minutes ago

rugged kindle
#

second to last one

elder seal
#

yeah they are not up yet peepohappyturtle

austere gazelle
#

there is an update of the beta on the launcher btw

molten niche
#

yea still down after update

austere gazelle
#

( at least for me )

elder seal
#

yeah i just did an update personally. back to RA while waiting

zealous sedge
#

Just looked at the hunter tier set stats/benefits that were datamined and it’s just so sad

#

Just generic damage increases to spells

austere gazelle
#

if there is the word " hunter " in your class, you're doomed by uninspired dev

rugged kindle
#

priest has a crazy good looking tier set

#

visually that is

#

same with rogue

zealous sedge
#

I main a priest so I’m excited. I do not play a hunter for obvious reasons

silent urchin
#

trinkets and set bonuses tend to start off kinda boring and get more interesting through an expansion

rugged kindle
#

not sure why some of the clases still have a Dragon flight vibe to them...

silent urchin
#

the vault tier sets were also kinda ehh

molten niche
#

dk by far has best bonuses for tank wise

rugged kindle
#

Time to roll a DK... again 😢

molten niche
#

thtrh er4 peice Your damage is increased by 1% per active Boneshield charge. Taking damage while below 6 Boneshield charges has a chance to generate 1-2 Boneshield charges.

silent urchin
#

blood DK doesn't seem incredible to me

swift willow
molten niche
#

compared to all the tanks there teir set bonus is the best lol

silent urchin
#

you don't spend a huge amount of time below 6 bone shield charges cause you want 5+ for that one talent

swift willow
silent urchin
#

the others aren't anything groundbreaking either I guess

dense plover
#

i like the brew tank bonus

#

significant dmg bonus to two major abilities, chance for more keg smashes

molten niche
#

prot pally total garbage lol

zealous sedge
#

Obviously more time is going into hero talents than the 1st tier set abilities. Not that it’s a bad thing, kind of expected it

rugged kindle
#

Can't decide on DK or warr for tank 🤔

molten niche
#

i was thinking warr my self cu ive nvr been a warrior main always switch between pally/dk every xpac lol

silent urchin
#

Although I could be wrong, I think the last alpha build added a lot more effects for DK that consume and grant bone shield so maybe you do spend time at low charges

zealous sedge
molten niche
#

but with the new acheivements they are adding to complete every mythic as a certain role (tank/heals/dps) i was thinking of rolling druid or pally again lol

worthy tartan
#

do we have a eta for when the beta realms are open? :<

dense plover
#

there is a lot more boneshield gameplay now

zealous sedge
#

Is it even worth downloading addons for beta? I don’t necessarily need them to “play good”

worthy tartan
#

not really tbh

#

its just testing so its entirely up to you

silent urchin
#

I don't generally bother, a lot are probably broken anyway

candid ruin
#

addons will just create problems on beta esp at the start

hexed hare
#

realms still incompatible ?

zealous sedge
#

For sure thats what I was thinking.

coral lagoon
candid ruin
#

its 1pm in Cali they got... 11 hours to put it out to fulfill their promise lmaooo

zealous sedge
#

Also, for the in game UI edit mode, will I be able to copy my settings from the live game? I assume no but just wanted to double check.

candid ruin
#

yeah you copy and paste the string

zealous sedge
#

Oh sweet

molten niche
#

thanks for remiding me lol

zealous sedge
#

Oh duh yes it makes sense now I forgot you could copy to clipboard the string

#

Is anyone copying over a character or starting fresh?

molten niche
#

i tihnk starting fresh ur still lvl 70

zealous sedge
#

Im thinking earthen paladin. I haven’t even looked at the hero talents for that class yet tho.

silent urchin
#

templates are most likely available, yes

thin warren
#

I wonder what that 11.0 PTR is for

#

only 3GB download for it

dense plover
hexed hare
#

eventual pre patch testing

candid ruin
dense plover
#

it typically doesnt launch at beta start

thin warren
#

haha 😄

dense plover
#

character copy comes later

elder seal
#

That is going to cause slight issue. need some specific toys before i go to TWW draclulmao

zealous sedge
austere gazelle
silent urchin
#

the beta announcement said char copy would be available

dense plover
#

thats wild

molten niche
#

if only they will finally let us que lfr and dungeon finder with any faction

silent urchin
#

Create a new test character or use the character copy to import your existing Dragonflight character.

dense plover
#

huh

silent urchin
#

although maybe that's generic

dense plover
#

well thats gonna be a hot mess if it is

dense plover
#

it isnt ready yet

molten niche
austere gazelle
# dense plover thats wild

you can't know that since they have several build in internal that are far ahead than what's being tested

dense plover
#

you cant choose to be faction exclusive

#

they said theyre working on it

rugged kindle
#

I highly doubt they would make us start from level 1 in a beta where you don't run into new content (excluding class changes/talents) until your almost max level.

dense plover
#

theyll start you at 70

#

also dragonflight leveling from 10 is new technically

molten niche
dense plover
#

the point was to have the OPTION of cross faction

#

but there is no option yet

#

the game doesnt have a way for players to choose

#

it was partially finished and accidentally enabled on remix

#

using the same code that is used for running content in a cross faction party

#

which is not the same

#

its meant to be an option you can choose to enable

#

also some of the scenarios and dungeons in MoP are faction specific

#

hence the issue

rugged kindle
#

that bug was avail in retail as well for a month

#

before remix

dense plover
#

yes but none of the retail dungeons are faction specific

molten niche
#

i mean its not fucking hard to do private servers do it lol. and once they implement it if ppl are dumb enough to slow there que times by not enabling it thats there own fault.

rugged kindle
#

none of the dung in remix are faction specific 😉

#

only scenarios

dense plover
rugged kindle
#

those faction specific scenarios just morph you into the correct faction during the scenario by the way so I doubt that was the reason they fixed it so quickly in remix. More than likly just fixed it because its been an ongoing issue and wowhead highlighted it leading to more abuse from it.

candid ruin
#

Hmm the raid story mode is upto 10 players now Think

austere gazelle
#

Maybe it's 1 to 10 players

dense plover
candid ruin
#

yeah 1-10

dense plover
#

im willing to bet it will still scale right

molten niche
dense plover
#

jesus

rugged kindle
molten niche
#

ur arguing with ppl for no reason isnt necessary

dense plover
#

wtf?

rugged kindle
#

🍿

austere gazelle
#

Heroic dungeon not available until season 1 start? 😮

dense plover
#

someone noticed something and i provided my thoughts - thats how text forums work

dense plover
dense plover
#

heroic is equivalent to M0 now

austere gazelle
#

I know that.

dense plover
#

it is surprising its being added this late tho

rugged kindle
#

In the past M0 was avail during beta. Was the meta to spam them to get gear during beta.

dense plover
#

itll probably still be in beta

#

theyre not going to only test normal difficulty

rugged kindle
#

If hero is not avail M0 wont be

dense plover
#

same with delves - im guessing up to tier 5 might be available?

austere gazelle
dense plover
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

rugged kindle
#

hero won't be avail until season 1 live

dense plover
#

IE - game launches, S1 starts a week after launch

rugged kindle
#

"Today's beta War Within build adds a new condition that implies players won't be able to access Heroic dungeons until Season 1 starts."

dense plover
#

during that first week, no heroic dungeons

austere gazelle
#

In dungeon finder... maybe you can use them with premade group

dense plover
#

thats not

#

oy

candid ruin
#

makes sense, normal is heroic, heroic is mythic, and mythic is M+ 0-10 now

dense plover
#

they literally havent done mythic dungeon testing yet

#

do you think theyre just not going to test stuff on beta and its just a grind until launch?

rugged kindle
dense plover
#

DUDE IM NOT SAYING ITS NOT A THING

rugged kindle
#

There won't be any seasons in the beta my man

dense plover
#

holy shit

#

have you ever played a wow beta

rugged kindle
#

Why are you getting so pressed

#

Chillax

#

Please

dense plover
#

they havent tested mythic dungeons my guy

candid ruin
#

I doubt that string matters at all for beta

dense plover
#

they will be testing a bunch of stuff including heroic dungeons

rugged kindle
#

You need to relax

dense plover
#

you need to stop saying stuff like its fact when its guaranteed false

#

there are going to be heroic and mythic dungeons on beta - THEY LITERALLY NEED TO TEST THEM BEFORE LAUNCH

rugged kindle
#

You are doing the exact same thing, nor have I stated anything is fact. Ive litterally only posted links to articles and screenshots of articles LOL

dense plover
#

mythic dungeons werent testable on the alpha

#

and heroics really werent either

dense plover
#

not about the beta

rugged kindle
#

you need to stop saying stuff like its fact when its guaranteed false

dense plover
#

i can make you a promise

harsh wedge
#

But would that mean that we can't do heroic dungeons until season 1 opens, which means when raids are open ?

dense plover
#

ive played in the last 5 betas

#

and last 4 alphas

dense plover
#

and no

#

i think raids might be delayed depending on difficulty

rugged kindle
#

Again, please just take a step back and relax my man. You are being VERY abbrasive throughout this entire conversation for no reason whatsoever.

austere gazelle
#

Weren't M0 opened before season start , justfifying the weekly lockout so you couldn't spam them ?

dense plover
austere gazelle
#

That'd mean that heroic and M0 arent available before S1 for TWW...

dense plover
#

if at all

harsh wedge
#

m0 were always opened before season start, so evenif heroic are the new M0, it seems weird to be honest

austere gazelle
#

precisely

dense plover
#

might not actually be a thing they follow through with ¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

strings get added that arent actually used pretty frequently

#

this is just a message string

green moth
dense plover
#

just not enough

#

also not similar

#

one is an entire expansion

#

the other is a side event

green moth
#

it took place in an entire expansion tho 😛

austere gazelle
#

Oh no, I get it. When you go into heroic dungeon with premade groupe, you're locked in weekly, but when you do it in random heroic dungeon, you can enter any dungeon with pugs even if you're locked in, they just deactivated that before season start to make heroic on a TRUE weekly lockout

dense plover
#

they had a mythic dungeon vendor on alpha who didnt see use as prep for testing

rugged kindle
#

and one is a side event that is somehow getting more attention from a dev team than retail has gotten in months*

dense plover
silent urchin
#

what needs attention on retail right now

elder seal
dense plover
#

cranky people who expect constant updates until next expac apparently

#

we literally have more content now than ever and people still complain

elder seal
#

That sounds like addiction to me

rugged kindle
#

Not talking about content, talking about bugs/nerfs/balance.

jade basalt
#

It's not the same teams anyway

elder seal
#

People keep forgetting that somehow

green moth
#

there's so much stuff to do in the game that I can't choose and eventually end up not choosing and quitting

elder seal
jade basalt
#

Expansion launch etc. is not the same team as Plunderstorm and Remix which are handled by the Live Games team

#

So it's not like one is taking away from the other

rugged kindle
#

Thats why I said "a dev team" obviously there are multiple teams no way in hell one team is doing classic, remix, df, and tww

jade basalt
#

But then it's a little odd to say that it's getting more attention than retail

rugged kindle
#

its actually all just one person doing all the updates actually

rugged kindle
pulsar minnow
#

Mop remix and Plunderstorm ARE Retail rn

#

like, they're not separate things. They are all content for the current game

silent urchin
#

The main balance issues right now are mostly design issues which isn't going to be addressed in a hotfix

rugged kindle
#

you must not pvp 😆

elder seal
#

I tend to avoid pvp as most of pvpers are whiny

#

not that question was addressed to me

rugged kindle
#

your not wrong

elder seal
#

I literally can see myself becoming rotten DK pet when i pvp lmao

rugged kindle
#

But pvp balance has been... yikes this season

#

last tuning did a little to fix it tho 👍

#

on the right track anyway

green moth
pulsar minnow
deep pawn
#

They are removing the ability to endlessly run heroic dungeons in the first two weeks, you can still enter manually I bet.

rugged kindle
#

remix is just SoD in pandaland e.e

deep pawn
#

Why they're concerned about people farming 4/8 adventurer gear is beyond me.

#

Heroic dungeons still have a daily lockout

silent urchin
#

Not sure exactly when "season 1 start" is but I imagine it's a bit earlier than you expect

deep pawn
#

season 1 start is when the raid unlocks

#

if it's like DF that'll be week 3 of the expansion

rugged kindle
zealous sedge
#

They want people to experience delves

deep pawn
#

if m0 is available people are gonna be nearly full champ loot regardless

rugged kindle
silent urchin
#

I suspect it might be earlier with heroic week returning

deep pawn
#

no, the stance of "we don't want people to rush to 80" still exists

silent urchin
#

also M0 won't come out before heroic

austere gazelle
deep pawn
#

I'll be stunned if the 2 week preseason isn't there

silent urchin
#

delves are probably gonna be capped at like tier 5 or something too

rugged kindle
#

i hope delves are good and not just another throwaway thing like warfronts

deep pawn
#

read

austere gazelle
deep pawn
#

You just can't use the dungeon finder to side step the daily lockout

austere gazelle
#

^^

deep pawn
#

Again, why they care is beyond me, it's a stupid as hell hill to die on

jade basalt
# rugged kindle not really, remix has seen more hotfixes in quick succession than retail has in ...

Since you said that Remix is getting more attention from "a" dev team than Retail has, I was just clarifying that it's actually 2 different teams.

But I'll also add that it's probably less a difference of "attention" and more the fact that Remix is, like Plunderstorm, its own self-contained (and temporary) thing which means if you want to update it 15 times a week you can, but if you did that with class balance in live for example then you might be messing things up- and that's assuming that they're even equal in complexity when the scope of one is pretty limited and the other more far reaching

zealous sedge
deep pawn
#

Remix and Retail are the same "live patch" team

green moth
#

since they added a "The War Within" model for a calendar event, first thing we need to do when we login is check if they made an event for TWW launch and then claim that is the official release date without any confirmation.

rugged kindle
austere gazelle
#

The nerf on remix are some of those hills

deep pawn
#

The RWF and even most Hall of Fame types will be doing m0 splits if they're available

rugged kindle
#

unless delves turn out to be good ways to obtain prog gear

deep pawn
#

not right now

#

you get like a few veteran pieces a week

upper pasture
#

Well we already know delves are supposed to give heroic level gear at the max reward. Assumingly one a week from vault

jade basalt
# deep pawn Remix and Retail are the same "live patch" team

Yes and no. It's actually the "Live Game" team and they take care of in-between major patch content. Turbulent Timeways, Secrets of Azeroth, all the holiday updates and Anniversary, Plunderstorm, Remix, that's the Live Game team. They kind of get to try things out and see how it goes.

But for example Fyrakk attacks for 10.1, Dream infusions in 10.2, that was your normal Quest team. Not Live Game.

zealous sedge
#

This new change to crests in M+ is something I do not like

#

For TWW

deep pawn
#

I'm gonna guess my beta account is wow9

rugged kindle
#

i dont even have the option to choose wow accounts when selecting TWW beta option

deep pawn
#

Like +7s will drop gear that require gildeds

green moth
#

I'm out of the loop, what are they doing to loot in M+?

jade basalt
#

So it's not that Remix and Retail are the same live team

It's more that "Retail" can now be EITHER Live Game team content OR quest team content

zealous sedge
#

Yes I think for Gilded crests only being from 9s and above is a bad move. They are looking at metrics from s4 and I bet the majority of players only spammed +6

deep pawn
rugged kindle
#

I didnt bother going above +8 in S4

zealous sedge
rugged kindle
jade basalt
zealous sedge
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So like Gilded( aspect ) crests only drop from +9 instead of +6

upper pasture
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eh, still only 2 affixes

rugged kindle
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Weathered (Whelpling) Harbinger Crest - Now obtained from Heroic difficulty dungeons, in addition to LFR Nerub-ar Palace and many outdoor activities.
Carved (Drake) Harbinger Crest - Now obtained from M0 dungeons, in addition to Normal Nerub-ar Palace and some outdoor activities.
Runed (Wyrm) Harbinger Crest - Now obtained from +4 to +8 keystones (was +2 to +5) and Heroic Nerub-ar Palace.
Gilded (Aspect) Harbinger Crest - Now obtained from +9 or higher keystones (was higher than +6) and Mythic Nerub-ar Palace.

zealous sedge
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Is it? I though 3rd affix kicks in at +9

upper pasture
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it's at 10 no?

zealous sedge
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I could be wrong

deep pawn
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It's +10

austere gazelle
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Mmm their system is somehow screwed now. If you have guild running heroic raid but no mythic, and that people don't do MM+9 in casual guild, then the drop of the heroic raid is basically worthless ( since you can't uprade it past 515 atm without aspects)

upper pasture
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pretty sure i did two 9s last night and there was no bolstering

rugged kindle
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3rd affix is 10

zealous sedge
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Okay good. Then this change isn’t terrible I guess

austere gazelle
rugged kindle
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going to push a lot of casuals into harder content they didnt wanna do

austere gazelle
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+6 was somehow manageable for casual player to gain aspects to upgrade heroic loot , now it will be a lot harder for them,

wintry glacier
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Is that a known bug ?

zealous sedge
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I guess so. Will delves bridge the gap?

rugged kindle
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not a bug

pulsar minnow
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servers aren't up

deep pawn
austere gazelle
rugged kindle
zealous sedge
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My question is, if you are a casual gamer, do you really need aspect (gilded) crests?

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It’s a serious question. Not trying to disparage

pulsar minnow
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I mean if you're only doing world content probably not

molten niche
zealous sedge
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I’m sure delves will reward crests too?

austere gazelle
molten niche
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maybe but i doubt it

wintry glacier
clear apex
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Today's gonna be over before it goes up for real

wintry glacier
zealous sedge
rugged kindle
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casual players still like to see that ilvl number go up

zealous sedge
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I understand the power fantasy tho if that’s the part that is bad

austere gazelle
austere gazelle
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An easy fix would be to make aspects drop from heroic end boss raid

zealous sedge
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Maybe they will make a change to affixes?

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To make it more accessible for casual players

rugged kindle
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doubt

upper pasture
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we have like 4 strings for new affixes

zealous sedge
molten niche
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they need affixes that arent for healers lol

rugged kindle
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dont worry everyone its lunch time in cali so we will see servers up in another 2-7 hours 🙂

ionic terrace
zealous sedge
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We still have all of beta to complain about the crest change so that’s good

austere gazelle
zealous sedge
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Hopefully they bump it down.

deep pawn
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This also messes up the "every key level increases rewards"

austere gazelle
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My main point would be to make affix tied to specific dungeon, X dungeon can have this and this affixes on a weekly rotation. Which would solve certain affix being horrible in certain dungeon

deep pawn
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As it stands you either get higher ilvl in the vault, the end of dungeon chest, or a better crest

austere gazelle
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( quacking when you need to pack for exemple )

deep pawn
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every key level 2-10

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that goes away with this crest change if say +9 gives hero 2/6 and gilded crests

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+6 does nothing now

austere gazelle
zealous sedge
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They are obviously making this change based off metrics from s4. I’m sure most people were just spamming 6s for the crests and some try hard in Blizz did not like that.

austere gazelle
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I do hope they'll reverse this change

upper pasture
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no crests in 2s either. hmmm...

austere gazelle
deep pawn
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I have to imagine it's carved/drake for low keys

zealous sedge
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What’s the point of having 2s or 3s if no crests drop? Absolutely does not make sense.

deep pawn
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they will probably drop carved

austere gazelle
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We'll be waiting an official statement on this I think

silent urchin
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If m0 is tuned slightly lower then I don't think its much of a change

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and I suspect it will be because a lot of people had a bad experience with the jump to mythic this season

deep pawn
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Notes

rugged kindle
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fourm is up now

zealous sedge
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Oh shizzz

rugged kindle
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daam new DK talents look nice

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hahaha

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hunter as always least changes

silent urchin
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‘These Go To Eleven’ is a separate Beta region that is focused on end-game content and has multiple vendors setup to allow players to quickly and easily test out content.``` ooh
rugged kindle
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oh dang

icy laurel
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im confused as i never do betas....i see the beta can be DLd....but is it playable right now?

candid ruin
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Step 1) Download beta
Step 2) wait for servers to come up

zealous sedge
silent urchin
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They've had max level templates before but I don't recall exactly how

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this does seem slightly different

zealous sedge
rugged kindle
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usually the vendor stuff is in alphas

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beta typically is more so the experience of the launch minus a few quests/cut-scenes... also the ability to skip to max level ofc

silent urchin
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hero talents are in for hunters, yes

rugged kindle
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at least thats how it was for wod/legion beta

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The amount of talent loadouts that can be saved on a per character basis to has been increased to 40 (was 10).

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thats a nice change

elder seal
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Just to remind everyone that its the preoder closed beta atm. and the usual ppl who get lucky with closed beta ofc.

clear apex
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They posted servers live but they're not cmon team

rugged kindle
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i dont see a post stating anything is online

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where

elder seal
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wee seeing que popped from 17 to 300 wouldnt be too surprised but where that was posted 😛 ?

rugged kindle
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I see iy now

clear apex
rugged kindle
clear apex
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They posted look about 15 min ago

austere gazelle
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What I just see is " disconnected from server "

elder seal
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riight. well the servers are still down so yeah umm

clear apex
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I think they posted it too early

deep pawn
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no realms available

elder seal
rugged kindle
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That or our clients need to update again 😦

zealous sedge
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Someone got a little antsy with the post

clear apex
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I've tried updating and nothing yet

rugged kindle
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seems like they are stull using the PTR realm list

zealous sedge
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It’s probably coming up soon maybe 2 PM

austere gazelle
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maybe it was online for the one who made the post 😄

zealous sedge
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PST

silent urchin
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they're not

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if you're seeing PTR you're probably selecting the wrong account

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or launcher shenanigans are occuring

clear apex
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Just so ya know I'm not crazy

candid ruin
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tweets are automated

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rarely align with reality

rugged kindle
clear apex
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I can't choose my wow1 account for beta when it asks

rugged kindle
clear apex
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Yeah you can try to log on but no servers up

elder seal
rugged kindle
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yea i know

deep pawn
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DPS trinkets and items with additional effects reduced by 33% for tank and healer specializations.
Developer’s note: Tanks and healers choosing to wear damage trinkets have often seen them contribute a disproportionate and unintended amount of their overall damage. DPS cantrips have further exacerbated this issue. This change is intended to shift power back into players’ class kits while reducing the opportunity cost of choosing specialized tank and healer trinkets over pure damage trinkets. This change is not retroactive.

rugged kindle
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im showing that I don't have the option to select a wow account

deep pawn
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HOW DARE THEY

elder seal
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Because there shouldnt be an option to begin with

rugged kindle
silent urchin
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choice is in game now for beta and it's pretty confusing

elder seal
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Its your entire bnet acc thats linked to beta not one specific.

rugged kindle
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if you're seeing PTR you're probably selecting the wrong account
is what i was responding to

candid ruin
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Retail has been label "the war within" since pre-purchase came out

zealous sedge
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Okay when it actually goes live which realm are y’all dropping into

rugged kindle
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yes

zealous sedge
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So I can go into a different one

clear apex
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Lol

shut flare
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icon

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lmao

swift willow
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do i need to create a PTR Account?

rugged kindle
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no

elder seal
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Preferably one that looks most repulsive so ppl wont go there!

swift willow
zealous sedge
clear apex
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It's its own thing apart from ptr

green moth
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@rugged kindle I got alpha a couple days ago, and at first it showed me PTR realms too. Everyone was saying I had to select another account, but I didn't have that option. The next day it was fixed for me and when I logged in - again no account selection - the alpha realms list showed up.

Now with beta, its showing me PTR realms again.

clear apex
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Same. The few times I've been able to see the realms it's been ptr lists

rugged kindle
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Thatys whats happening with me currently, and people keep errin that you have to select the correct wow account... There is litterally now to select a wow account LOL

clear apex
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I get asked to select

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My main acc is wow 1 and wow 2 is my ptr, wow 1 isn't on the list

elder seal
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ppl are talking lot of BS. shouldnt need to choose acc for betarealms.

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Maybe thats just me and im just being delusional

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I might be lying ofc! Shockedroo

clear apex
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Well i guess once servers are live it should change. IDK

austere gazelle
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there is a new tab that appeared

zealous sedge
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They added a new tab

clear apex
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Oh the realms list changed!

austere gazelle
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oh, it disappeared 😄

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wtf

hoary trail
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mine keeps changing too

zealous sedge
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Oh shit it just changed again

hoary trail
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swapping from these go to eleven and showing alleria/kadgar realms

clear apex
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I didn't have a tab at the bottom though

austere gazelle
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it's playing hide and seek

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just came back

zealous sedge
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Haha some server engineer gotta be sweating right now

clear apex
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All the realms disappeared but one

zealous sedge
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I’ve got 3 now

clear apex
rugged kindle
zealous sedge
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Ooop they took of test realms tab

rugged kindle
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but i only have one active wow account

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so thats prob why

zealous sedge
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Never mind it’s back

elder seal
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The real question is that does anyone happen to rmbr where is the L letter in Tree map in Bug's Life on PS1 ? Nobody really cares about Beta

rugged kindle
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during the SoD release they memed with the server names

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naming one of them "Streamer server" etc

clear apex
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Good

rugged kindle
clear apex
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Make them go there

rugged kindle
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thats sick

clear apex
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I need it

swift willow
austere gazelle
swift willow
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53 min to the Deadline xD

rugged kindle
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This hollows event boutta be lit

clear apex
rugged kindle
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there was no deadline...?

clear apex
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Oh like midnight in other places

austere gazelle
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of beta being released the 5th

swift willow
clear apex
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Well tbf
June 5th for America

rugged kindle
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News flash it was the 6th in aussie land hours ago

austere gazelle
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America is not the center of the world though xD

clear apex
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It was already June 5th in Australia

clear apex
rugged kindle
swift willow
zealous sedge
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So can’t even get into the realm list I keep getting disconnected. Not complaining but want to see if everyone else is seeing the same

swift willow
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nah jk

swift willow
green moth
clear apex
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And they're in pacific time so that's 3 hours behind east coast

austere gazelle
austere gazelle
zealous sedge
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Also for the end game content realm, will we be able to queue for delves? Cause it says you can’t go into the outdoor zones

green moth
clear apex
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My bnet just said servers are live??

rugged kindle
swift willow
rugged kindle
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only 502 in queue

clear apex
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Wtf

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They're not live

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Bnet: we're live
Game: no we're not

candid ruin
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first time?

clear apex
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No no
Since tbc

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Sadly

candid ruin
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you should know already that their words aren't gospel

zealous sedge
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for those hunters out there a blue post confirmed there will be changes to the talent trees

clear apex
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They already fooled us on Facebook

candid ruin
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what they say might be true always a 50/50

rugged kindle
pulsar minnow
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its probably within the next 10 minutes

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servers keep changing up