we dont even have the proper loading screens set up yet
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
tbf DF was further along music wise than it appears that this expac is
DF had some music in the first alpha
TWW has like 2 pieces MAYBE?
pulsar minnow
I think what they’ve found is definitely a variation of what will inevitably be the login theme imo
Also that makes me wonder. What’s the login screen gonna be?
ionic terrace
Prob dornogal
dense plover
Prob dornogal
coreway would be sick
pulsar minnow
Oooo
dense plover
sword is also very likely
dense plover
ok revisting the music thing
this is totally unique music
the horns - very triumphant sounding
https://youtu.be/Ou7MRp56Jms?si=csDE_Q4jznMCDPcK this has horns and is also new
this one has part of that theme in it
if anything, this is a better example since the snippet in that video is part of a larger track in the warbands video
oh it does actually sound a bit like login music tbh
its even got some of the hammers
but its a bit weak theme wise
its not dragon flight race theme worthy
found it
this is the theme
the very beginning?
thats 100000% the main theme
its big, its brassy
and its got the weird void horns thing they used in the dark heart trailer a bit too
@mossy flare
deep pawn
the first video has the what I would call "warcraft drums and strings"
dense plover
the first video has the what I would call "warcraft drums and strings"
it does
but this video, the dynamic flight video, starts with the actual main theme of the expac
im certain
mossy flare
ohhh you might be on to something!
tulip sun
@dense plover Did you see the questline was fixed?
dense plover
ive heard
deep pawn
doesn't have the same motifs they always use to start the login screen with though
dense plover
havent gotten to play yet
dense plover
doesn't have the same motifs they always use to start the login screen with thou...
not saying its the login music
im saying its the main expac theme
like the DF one in the dracthyr video
deep pawn
in fact, the dynamic flight video opener is the same as the start of the login theme guess
dense plover
wtf - the map is literally the heart vault, broken and all
LAZY
at least fix the fucking walls
this parts different tho
so is this new 'titan gate'
theres a followup
the weekly quest
this was open for a sec
guess im looking for a titan disk fragment
the dirigible is available!
wtf is this?
i dont know what the fuck this is or how to find these crabs
game no longer scales you to let you do higher tier delves i guess?
theres apparently 5 explorers league challenges in this build
silent urchin
hmm, I wonder if the arathi quiz in hallowfall has more stuff
dense plover
theres weird stuff
i had to fight someone
then fish 3 mushrooms
there was also a 'treasure wraith'
which nearly one shot me
as a brewmaster
theyre back!
well
this was actually sorta challenging
i almost died a few times as a tank
i am a bit under geared tho
i couldnt use my key - both are already looted
wonder if its because i havent done a bountiful delve before and still need to complete the quest?
they give appropriate rewards too
recommended ilvl was 538, gave 541 in the regular chests
looks like you have to complete a tier to unlock the next one
uh
it gave me an albatross
thats all the quests from brann right now
tbh i think keys are still broken
and you cant get undercoin still
it just gives the other currency
this little cutie is in dornogal too
still cant fly up the coreway
and they managed to break the wind currents again
they were working BEFORE the hotfixes
thrall is here btw
theres literally only 4 riders left
ionic terrace
it gave me an albatross
Yeah it’s placeholder, been doing that
dense plover
ionic terrace
I admit I laughed when I used mine and got a bird
dense plover
she seems devastated
theres 1 left
idk when but they updated the stay awhile icon
if it had one before?
it appears that rookery moment is a big deal - and something else probably happens with the nerubians?
we are missing a lot of cutscenes
green mountain is the destination now
blue mountain?
whatever
so it looks like the rooks have to be bound normally?
i guess theyre elementals maybe?
people are being called to this mountain
excellent quest name
you tell the pilgrims to leave but they keep continuing anyway
i told them get to safety
thrall is helping her as a shaman
so this is us reviving the storm rooks
looks like how stormrooks and riders work is changing too
no more enslavement - now its a true bond
turalyon is factionist confirmed
so geyarah is here as a foil to turalyon as i suspected
Geyarah then sighs
aysa is here teaching them to fight with their fists
herrick teaching them to fight with hammer and shield
teaching them to use crossbows
liadrin is here
sparring
spear fighting
half the beach is horde, half alliance
this also explains why they are both factions
rare upgrade didnt fuck me
not sure it actually upgraded tho
maybe mastery added?
actually
seems like it just changed color
so - its not downgrading stuff
but it also isnt working
WILDHAMMER ON THE SCENE
this makes sense
all of these are voiced btw
someone escaped....
again voiced
i swear to god this guy sounds just like the guy who does the honest trailers on screen junkie
like ACTUALLY him
mossy flare
give me login screen music pls
pulsar minnow
i mean its probably the music we've heard in the previews
its not yet implemented on alpha
tulip sun
I love the max level campaign ive seen thus far
mossy flare
pulsar minnow
for some reason im pretty shocked they're putting this much effort into the stormriders. I know it sounds dumb but I sort of felt they were gonna be more of an afterthought with only one chapter of the story dedicated to them
love to see them actually getting a focus
mossy flare
what are Stormriders?
dense plover
theres sorta mounted combat
dense plover
for some reason im pretty shocked they're putting this much effort into the stor...
theyre a major part of the army apparently
wouldnt be surprised if they end up as the default earthen hunter mount
ok upgrading is definitely working - this got avoidance and went to 2/8
olbarig bonds with zarein - which was baelgrims stormrook
i like that they introduce you to 3 npcs and make you really get their personalities super quick
this is new i think
seems they sent a construct
its huge
you fight it using the rook
i assume this mechanic will be some WQs
its kinda fun
lilian is here, voiced, and taking us back to the weaver's lair
stay awhile dialogue
kinda torghast-y
you get new powers every 5 waves
wave 10 is too hard
mossy flare
give me beta
dense plover
harronir are definitely elves
on click line - ishnu del dieb
im pretty sure these arent existing elf on click
pulsar minnow
Those are
dense plover
nvm
its existing dialogue lines
im wrong
theyre just the night elf warrior dialogue
pulsar minnow
They’re definitely elvish in some way tho
pulsar minnow
Probably whatever became of the missing link between the two
Really love how war within isn’t relying on retcons but more so placing their new stuff in unexplained forgotten bits of lore
Like we’ve always known elves and trolls are related, but it’s always been a bit fuzzy as to how that happened
Then when the Arathi empire split and many just vanished - boom. Arathi empire across the ocean
It’s so refreshing to have cool new shit that still feels Warcraft that doesn’t trample pre existing lore
Lookin at you shadowlands
dense plover
the spider that helped you before is ascended now
really wouldnt be surprised if they eventually become playable
which ties directly into the questline
some of our allies are in the weaver hub now
main story breaks shortly after
you go to investigate and the 2nd area has an object that doesnt work that you are supposed to be able to interact with
jade basalt
you go to investigate and the 2nd area has an object that doesnt work that you a...
Which one?
I completed the chapter so must not have gotten that issue
dense plover
I completed the chapter so must not have gotten that issue
2nd chapter
after the storm rooks
you return to the weaver
then you go to spy on where they make ascended
when you go to the 2nd building theres liked a bed or chest or something
and you cant do anything
tropic trail
I just can’t kinda “care” about this lore. 😅
dense plover
I just can’t kinda “care” about this lore. 😅
i dont know how
old god stuff is classic wow
zealous sedge
all harronir can turn to bats
Harronir race and Druid class confirmed
Haha
Just kidding but would be cool
deep pawn
The Harronir still feel more like trolls than Elves, but who knows
tropic trail
Who are those first ascended? Old gods?
lone mantle
It would be sacrilegious for an Old God to ascend. 
tropic trail
I never played classic so I’m very confused here 😆
deep pawn
I'm sure we'll learn but it's like a mix between C'thraaxi and others
tropic trail
Yea
harsh mason
I mean
Some of the artists are clearly paid more
Although overall I like this paladin set
I would only replace the shoulder
rain cave
The paladin set is fine model wise, the yellow and purple works
Same with the reaper of souls color, the like grave blue imo
But i think the green is soo bad
Doesn't match anything paladin wise, frustrating when a classes fantasy set doesn't match the colour of the actual class
I think this tier the recolours feel a tad too monochromatic at times
The purple and gold one looks good with that contrast, but all the other colours are basically monochrome
upper pasture
Didn’t they say it was one of the mech suits?
jade basalt
@silent urchin Have you gotten to the Waterworks part of the campaign?
silent urchin
uhhh in rising deeps? Or is this a max level thing cause I haven't gotaround to max level stuff yet
jade basalt
uhhh in rising deeps? Or is this a max level thing cause I haven't gotaround to ...
Ah nevermind then!
But I think the Waterworks delve itself in the Deeps yeah is broken
Can't get past the very first thing you do in it, NPC just stands there
zealous sedge
There was an alpha build earlier this week right? Think we’ll get one today?
jade basalt
There was an alpha build earlier this week right? Think we’ll get one today?
Usually on Tuesdays
silent urchin
servers are still up and it normally takes a couple hours to push, so it's getting to be too late to start
jade basalt
Waterworks is working
deep pawn
They hotfixed a whole talent tree in so there could be a build tomorrow if they're getting ready for beta next week
jade basalt
Seems that chapter 5 is not in, campaign stops here for me https://i.imgur.com/huzKDJy.png
pulsar minnow
Only 5 chapters for the campaign worries me tbh. That is, unless there’s an entire separate Suramar esque story in Azj Kahet
tepid fiber
Suramar got it's own whole zone though
deep pawn
sounds like the last chapter is something I'd save for launch
it's what they've been doing with a lot of stories lately
saving the very last part til it's live.
mossy flare
still waiting for that beta
mossy flare
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/alpha-realm-maintenance-thursday-may-23/...
whats this mean?
update?
ionic terrace
no clue, they don't normally post this kind of stuff
mossy flare
really?
ionic terrace
yes
mossy flare
wonder why they posted it this time around
deep pawn
cause it's probably gonna be down all night
at least they usually only warn if it's gonna be off all night
oh weird
made a class trial to grab a heritage armor set, the whimsydrake is standard flying
dense plover
made a class trial to grab a heritage armor set, the whimsydrake is standard fly...
yeah all of the DF mounts can fly normally if you dont have dragonflight stuff yet
theres just no way to toggle between the two in current wow, so the dragonriding mounts only do dragonriding once you can fly that way
harsh mason
Seems that chapter 5 is not in, campaign stops here for me https://i.imgur.com/h...
Maybe they should stop showing story chapters during alpha?
jade basalt
Maybe they should stop showing story chapters during alpha?
Questlines do need to be tested
It's just the last chapter that they may decide to keep out of testing because it's probably related to the raid
austere gazelle
Or maybe it'll be in the 11.0.5
dense plover
Seems that chapter 5 is not in, campaign stops here for me https://i.imgur.com/h...
How did you get past 2? I got stuck doing stuff with the ascended
jade basalt
How did you get past 2? I got stuck doing stuff with the ascended
Never had an issue when I did it, apparently the bug started after
But I believe they fixed it earlier today?
mossy flare
i wish i had alpha
tepid fiber
Will you settle for some alfalfa
zealous sedge
I’m just gonna put this out there. I don’t think I’m participate in beta. I don’t want to spoil TWW for myself than I already have through this channel haha
mossy flare
What is your class
warlock
dense plover
well - i found it in world
laboratory of the grand splicer
the person who makes the ascended
ansurek had been planning stuff with the black blood for a while - potentially before Xal was even involved
this carving is SO detailed
and so cool
this is where one of the warbringers-style cinematics happens
the first ascended is neferess
thats an enormous revelation
what a fucking twist!
the ascended - because of the black blood, can be controlled by Xal
tropic trail
Who is Neferess?
dense plover
the previous queen
they still havent fixed the air bursts
makes flying up from the deeper zones impossible
idk why they keep not fixing this
its actually disruptive to game flow
has anyone figured out where the "Titan Disk Fragment" for the archive quest can be found?
harsh mason
Who is Neferess?
Ansurek's mom
thin warren
is it me or is it pretty quiet with WoW-news nowadays
dense plover
is it me or is it pretty quiet with WoW-news nowadays
its saturday
what news do you even expect?
thin warren
in general, mister Peach
dense plover
theyre currently testing the alpha
thin warren
not just today
thin warren
ok 😦
dense plover
what else would there even be?
thin warren
well, if I knew that, I would be able to predict the future
no idea, new info about some new mechanic, or some special thing they will be doing before TWW
dense plover
well, if I knew that, I would be able to predict the future
no youre asking for news but apparently wow remix and cataclysm classic release arent news
dense plover
no idea, new info about some new mechanic, or some special thing they will be do...
those dont get announced usually
at all
thin warren
wow remix is allready weeks out! 😛
thin warren
you don't need to be angry at me because I just want some new stuff to read about :p
thin warren
ok!
dense plover
im just confused what you are expecting
this is above average for this time of an expac's lifespan
usually there would be even less than there is
thin warren
no idea, i don't kinda remember how that went
thin warren
okok, i just wait then :x
harsh mason
is it me or is it pretty quiet with WoW-news nowadays
There will be no more news, warcraft has been canceled
thin warren
harsh mason
And how else to explain that there have been no new builds for alpha for 3 days? Have there been no new patches for DF for 2 weeks now?
The conclusion is obvious
upper pasture
microsoft shut WoW down. how sad
thin warren
i would be sad, but it would also free up a lot of time to play other games xd
upper pasture
you know you can just play other games right?
thin warren
D: what!
harsh mason
In short, the news is literally every week, it's not really clear what exactly you want to hear
pulsar minnow
I think it’s mainly due to frankly, a lack of drama in the wow community as of late
There isn’t like some terrible god awful feature that might ruin the expansion here. The covenant debate kept the news cycle going nonstop in shadowlands
upper pasture
no drama? have you been hiding under a rock? there's been tons of Remix drama for sure
pulsar minnow
no drama? have you been hiding under a rock? there's been tons of Remix drama fo...
oh im not paying attention to remix at all
so yes i am under a rock
But i mainly mean drama in terms of development of TWW, and the news that would follow it
deep pawn
The drama is reserved to the few specs with really bad hero trees or need a spec tree rework
dense plover
The drama is reserved to the few specs with really bad hero trees or need a spec...
shadopan isnt getting drama but it sucks
deep pawn
Conduit and harmony work well enough that people aren't upset
Plus the spec trees have all gotten good reworks
dense plover
i still feel squishy but that might be due to scaling tbh
delves are kinda of wonky af for balance now that they dont scale your gear up
tier 3 feels SO hard as a fresh 80 and it shouldnt considering its for gearing up
i think it should feel similar in difficulty to tier 2 did when you were leveling
silent urchin
they do tend to start on the "things are too hard" scale when doing alpha
so not too surprising
Plus in real game you'll probably gear up much faster
deep pawn
Remember m0 will be open on Tuesday of launch
Between 2 weeks of m0 and then hero week, either the raid will be tuned way too hard, or it'll fall over.
This opening tier will be the most geared casuals will be at the start in a long time.
austere gazelle
Remember m0 will be open on Tuesday of launch
is this confirmed? Cause I think they said it wont be the case because preordering boy will have an unfair avantage
dense plover
yeah nothing will be open with early access
im willing to bet theyll even cap delves at tier 3
and probably no bountiful delves
deep pawn
Anything weekly won't be available until first reset
I still think devs aren't fully aware how big a deal everyone going into hero week in full champ gear, possibly upgraded even to max champ
First tiers aren't tuned around that usually
dense plover
so ive moved on to the golemworks part of the endgame story
theres this cute model
also lots of goblin involvement
The darkfuse goblins
idk who those are
this little guy is zee-zee
silent urchin
darkfuse seems to be a new faction
dense plover
these are weird - unique junk, all named brax's something or other
deep pawn
I was thinking SoO guys, but that was Blackfuse
Watch Darkfuse be Gallywix's new cartel
dense plover
Watch Darkfuse be Gallywix's new cartel
isnt gallywix dead?
or did we just scare him away?
deep pawn
Last two times he was seen was making a deal in Tazavesh and before that burning documents in Orgrimmar before he fled.
I don't remember if he teleports out of Tazavesh or just watches the fight
But he's definitely not dead.
Gazlowe was appointed leader of the Bilgewater after it was abandoned by Gallywix.
rain cave
Gallywix is the true end boss of the last titan
mighty wolf
Gallywix is Azeroth
pulsar minnow
Maybe the real Azeroth was the friends we made along the way
austere gazelle
Azeroth is Sauron wearing a wig
lone mantle
crystal pond
Maybe the real Azeroth was the friends we made along the way
She was an element of harmony all along
pulsar minnow
Prediction for the last Titan. The titans return, we find out Azeroth isn’t real but just the friends we made along the way. Thrall says “What is this some kind of world soul saga?” And then Anduin corrects him and goes “no. This is a world of warcraft…” - cut to credits
mighty wolf
Anduin: What were we fighting for?
Thrall: For the family...
credits with See you again song
austere gazelle
Prediction for the last Titan. The titans return, we find out Azeroth isn’t real...
It's world of warcrafting time ! Then proceed to warcraft all over
zealous sedge
Anduin: What were we fighting for?
Thrall: For the family...
*credits with See y...
Queue the sequel:
The War and the Craft, Azeroth Drift
tropic trail
Haha 😂
mossy flare
beta tomorrow hopefully?
dense plover
beta tomorrow hopefully?
no chance
tons of stuff still doesnt work
until you can fly up to dornogal from ringing deeps, there is no chance we are heading to beta
also im still running into crash bugs
those are typically gone by beta
beta is at least 2-3 weeks away if not more
mossy flare
no chance
what if the beta build is what fixes it all
just like how shadowlands lore fixed WoW
... /s
ember blaze
tons of stuff still doesnt work
so just like how all the stuff they release live is
pulsar minnow
I mean wasn’t there an encrypted beta build pushed to bnet a few weeks ago? Not saying we’ll get it next week, but it’s probably gonna be in June at this rate, or at least I hope
silent urchin
the alpha channel has always been labelled beta in the cdn
there's not really any functional difference beyond a label
silent urchin
but given you could buy beta access this time I'm guessing they're going to wait til it's fairly stable before "beta" arrives
dense plover
what if the beta build is what fixes it all
they would still have a build before that
dense plover
so just like how all the stuff they release live is
no - live doesnt crash when you turn in a quest or have you fall through the world and die multiple times
dense plover
but given you could buy beta access this time I'm guessing they're going to wait...
thats exactly my point
beta is going to be 'we are ready for idiots'
until its idiot-proof, there wont be beta
otherwise you are going to have people complaining about major issues
dense plover
not happening
mossy flare
IF.
dense plover
the constant what if beta is honestly getting annoying
it doesnt contribute anything
mossy flare
nothing here really contributes to anything meaningful
mossy flare
have fun, dont be such a stick in the ass
mossy flare
And that's what I mean.
dense plover
mossy flare
You're clearly taking things too seriously. I think you should step back. I'm gonna go have some fun. You can....do whatever it is you do.
but to anyone else, beta pls.
dense plover
test and then give sincere answers is what i do
because this is my 5th alpha/beta now
4th alpha
tropic trail
I think they once gave me beta key 🔑 but I was lazy and didn’t play
harsh mason
Regarding beta: do not forget that the same alpha DF started in mid-July, and exp was released at the end of November. So beta is obviously going to go a lot less than alpha. In fact, alpha is the main testing. I think the beta will launch around the time when the testing of the new raid is ready
deep pawn
I still think beta is highly possible this week, not on Tuesday, but Thursday possibly.
Yes that's one week shorter than DF's alpha, but prepatch is fast approaching.
The reason people want beta is because that's when testing really happens with end game stuff.
People are going to be massively disappointed that preorder leaves the fact that their invites will still be spread out over 3-4 weeks
I know a few alpha testers I watch complain no one is doing dungeons on alpha to actually test hero talents
tropic trail
Any news if Khadgar is alive? 🤔
deep pawn
That's probably gonna stay encrypted
tropic trail
Damn, haha 😂
austere gazelle
because this is my 5th alpha/beta now
and? Some people would do a job as best as yours if they were taken into alpha, but instead have to wait for " beta idiots " as you said.
For my example, I'm always flagged into late alpha / early beta when everything is already almost stable, and even if I report shit out of everything and offer clear review of stuff, I'm still not moved into early Alpha 🤷 ( And I've been into EVERY beta of every expansion as of now btw )
I remembered having helped to debug the entire suramar questline with Lyleth by scouring every street of that damn city to find where that NPC was bugged in , only to find her under a waterfall xD
dense plover
I still think beta is highly possible this week, not on Tuesday, but Thursday po...
It really isn’t - this is not like dragon flight since beta access is a purchase benefit
We will not see beta until it’s much more stable
tepid fiber
It better not be too soon. There's already so much crap going on 😵💫
deep pawn
It's Thursday or next week, there's just not enough time left.
And just like MoP they'll spread the guaranteed invites out over multiple weeks
MoP beta was in a rather unfinished state when they started inviting people
I have very clear memories of an entire zone being blocked off and seeing the Temple of the Crane be completely untextured and I was in one of the later waves.
harsh mason
It's Thursday or next week, there's just not enough time left.
Time for what?
deep pawn
Beta to start. I'm working off the assumption that Aug 20 is our prepatch date which leaves 8 more weeks for talent iteration.
A larger number of people have to get their hands on hero talents so the devs get data they actually trust
harsh mason
We don't know when TWW is coming out and how long they plan to test the beta
It's still difficult to even assume anything here.
zealous sedge
Yeah I wouldn’t assume anything either. There was a specific dev interview saying they’ll push stuff back based on player feedback because they “want to get it right”
deep pawn
What they say and what they do are different. There is almost certainly a date they're working to and don't want to push back.
If anything they already brought the date forward when the expansion launch moved to the summer/fall border.
thin warren
Anyone else has a problem with the link in the latest article?
it gives error 504 bad gateway to me
it's in this article https://www.wowhead.com/news/locus-walkers-shocking-revelation-the-radiant-song-and-what-it-means-for-our-340524 "a set of cosmic weapons"
deep pawn
That link you just posted worked for me
tropic trail
Omfg 🙀
thin warren
Void Lord imminent
tropic trail
They try to eat her
dense plover
Void Lord imminent
Well yeah - that’s probably Midnight
tropic trail
K'aresh was also world soul and it had two suns but still they ate it
thin warren
Tssss!
lone mantle
hazy kettle
K'aresh was also world soul and it had two suns but still they ate it
Yeah, because void lord big hungy bois.
harsh mason
Well, in general, I roughly understood what the point was: the old gods were supposed to prepare World Souls to turn into a dark titan. Instead, they just started fighting with each other for power on the planet, ignoring their main task. Xal most likely should have "told" them what "they are wrong about." But the old gods just sharpened her essence into a knife
dense plover
Well, in general, I roughly understood what the point was: the old gods were sup...
That’s just not correct
The old gods passively corrupt Azeroth by existing
They dig their tentacles down into her and corrupt her
Them fighting to control the elements and build up armies has to do with the methods by which they end up needing to fight titanic constructions
It has nothing to do with their corruption and we do not know Xal’s role, but it’s possible she didn’t even start on Azeroth
austere gazelle
That’s just not correct
We don't know if it is or not, because we don't have the story.
dense plover
We don't know if it is or not, because we don't have the story.
We have a lot of existing story that we know is generally correct
And we have what’s in TWW which so far lines up with the stuff I said being correct and the stuff I replied to being wrong
austere gazelle
We have a lot of existing story that we know is generally correct
not at all.
Everything we know so far is from Titan's PoV. Since the beginning of DF everything coming before is either a lie, irrelevant, or plain fake news.
dense plover
not at all.
Everything we know so far is from Titan's PoV. Since the beginning ...
No - that’s chronicles
Not the in game lore
The in game lore directly contradicts a lot of what was said
The in game stuff we experienced is not “the titans PoV”
austere gazelle
Not the in game lore
That's in the in game lore.
I suspect there is something untold that might be close to what @harsh mason is saying because Odyn spoke of hiding " the advancements of the black empire " and rewriting everything known to depict it as an era of horror and violence
So we know that the black empire was NOT that
dense plover
We literally went to Nyalotha in BfA and we learned how the corruption works
austere gazelle
It's titan propaganda
dense plover
Holy shit that’s not even what I was talking about
I was saying that their understanding of how corruption occurs is false
austere gazelle
The corruption of Azeroth is not what were aiming the old gods. It's absurd to think that they spent eons trying to corrupt the planet and then when nzoth is free he could achieve it in less that a week
dense plover
The corruption of Azeroth is not what were aiming the old gods. It's absurd to t...
He didn’t tho
Like wut
austere gazelle
He was very close to in the end of Nyalotah raid.
dense plover
He didn’t suddenly successfully corrupt Azeroth by being freed
dense plover
He was very close to in the end of Nyalotah raid.
It’s unclear
Also he was freed to attack a weakened Azeroth
Not the Azeroth that existed during the time of the black empire
austere gazelle
We don't know that, again :p
dense plover
She had been stabbed with a giant sword and was literally barely alive
We do know that
She wasn’t stabbed with a sword in the past
austere gazelle
No, we know what the titan told us. Not the truth
We don't know what state she was in, we have literraly only titan information about it and some travel to the past showing us nothing except building and roaming creatures
dense plover
No, we know what the titan told us. Not the truth
We don't know what state she w...
Dude - she was healthier before she was stabbed - that’s just a fact
Nzoth was so successful because of sargeras weakening her
I’m not talking about during the time of the black empire
I’m talking about during BfA
We KNOW she wasn’t doing well after that
austere gazelle
Dude - she was healthier before she was stabbed - that’s just a fact
but even before she was stabbed. There was the cataclysm right before
dense plover
Of course nzoth has an easier time infecting a weakened host
dense plover
but even before she was stabbed. There was the cataclysm right before
Cataclysm didn’t destroy her heart
The cataclysm freed the elementals
austere gazelle
The blade didn't either
dense plover
It reunited the elemental planes with Azeroth
dense plover
The blade didn't either
It nearly did tho
That’s the fucking point of the chamber of heart
It’s literally a tube down to Azeroth - we can hear her heart beating and she is dying at the start of the expac
If you say “titans perspective” for a thing we literally played through I’m muting you
austere gazelle
What I want to make you understand is at this point of the story
- we don't know what she is really
- we don't know what was the black empire in reality ( its goal )
- we don't know what the titans did to her
so to go back at the original topic : @harsh mason theory may be right. We don't know, it's not a " no, it's wrong because "
dense plover
What I want to make you understand is at this point of the story
- we don't kno...
We literally travel to the black empire during DF
When chasing down Chromie and Eternus
So we do know what the black empire looked like
Elements having free reign, massive structures controlled by the old gods
austere gazelle
Yes, but what was happening there? Why the OG couldn't corrupt the world soul during millenia? Why Xal was trapped ? Why they didnt corrupt azeroth ?
dense plover
Yes, but what was happening there? Why the OG couldn't corrupt the world soul du...
We don’t know how long the Old gods were there
austere gazelle
Exactly, we don't know shit
dense plover
We don’t know when Xal was trapped or by whom or where
She very well may have been on a different planet in the past
And corruption takes time if the titan inside is fighting back
Considering there have been no void titans, it’s clearly not easy or fast
austere gazelle
If she is a titan.
dense plover
If she is a titan.
What else would she be?
austere gazelle
Metzen seemed to say that she was not in reality
dense plover
Metzen seemed to say that she was not in reality
No he didn’t
austere gazelle
Korthia attendant said that she was a " unique " world soul
austere gazelle
I said " seemed to say " , imply , not saying he said it out loud
dense plover
Because the 3rd expect in the saga is literally called “The Last Titan”
And there’s no one else it could be about but Azeroth since that’s what Metzen literally said it was about
austere gazelle
yes but what in a twist of event, we learn that the " titans " are usurper and not really titans ?
Like the gods of Olympus locking the real titans and taking the upper place
What if world souls are just being that can be corrupted to whatever forces and it gives whatever corruption influence
" Titans " for order, "' void lord " for the Void, etc ?
dense plover
What ifs are pointless - you don’t ignore existing lore and spout what ifs a bunch without any source for what you are saying besides wild speculation. There’s no way to disagree with anyone who does that because the answer will just be “you can’t say that for sure”
austere gazelle
There is a lot of unknown, and the " giant machination going on since the dawn of time " Metzen alluded to might just be the truth in plain sight
dense plover
I’m done talking to you because this is a circular argument that you won’t source or back up with evidence
You want to speculate wildly go ahead
I don’t want to be pinged to be told I’m wrong with no evidence
austere gazelle
Its not wild speculation. Titans rewrote all of the history, so its not reliable, and most of what we know came from them.
dense plover
I’m done - I don’t care what you say. I’m blocking you so I don’t waste my time in the future
ionic terrace
In other news… new vendor build
austere gazelle
But you'll see in due time.
dense plover
In other news… new vendor build
Took long enough
Hopefully has a bunch of fixes
The alpha is still a hot mess
Technically a disaster even though the gameplay and story are relatively solid
austere gazelle
oh and btw :
World of Warcraft, The Last Titan! In this chapter, you will be again returning to the old world, this time to the wintery lands of Northrend and there, at Ulduar, you will bear witness to the return of the Titans to Azeroth and there you will uncover a vast conspiracy, one that stretches throughout the history of the world, one which will challenge everything you think you know about the Titans, their intentions and the true Nature of Azeroth itself."
warm topaz
@lone mantle will you be there?
deep pawn
The Last Titan could easily be like eonar haha
lone mantle
<@761935429963350036> will you be there?
Yes.
deep pawn
They have to implement a bunch of talents still, and priests are missing two entirely
tropic trail
He is retired constellar playing pet battles 😂
dense plover
They have to implement a bunch of talents still, and priests are missing two ent...
Hotfixes are a bunch of talent changes
Apparently DK tree reshuffling?
deep pawn
I know, someone should check Oracle if they replaced the under constructions yet
dense plover
It might be them testing if they can make big talent changes with hotfixes so they can make changes more frequently
deep pawn
Blood DK hasn't had it's rework yet
deep pawn
It might be them testing if they can make big talent changes with hotfixes so th...
They tested that in DF, didn't do much but they did
dense plover
So it’s more likely to be frost unholy or base tree
dense plover
They tested that in DF, didn't do much but they did
Not like this
There were 110 files changed in the hotfixes
deep pawn
They made a big deal about how they were testing hotfixing paladin trees including replacing a talent.
dense plover
Yeah this is an entire tree
So this might be for iterating on talents during beta without having to put out a patch
Or doing rapid balance during pre patch
Or something else
deep pawn
Again, feels like that is something they had already proven they could do, just a matter of scale I suppose.
lone mantle
I look forward to seeing how the future unfolds. 
deep pawn
They literally hotfixed in Deathstalker last week.
dense plover
They literally hotfixed in Deathstalker last week.
Hot fixed it to work
It was technically all in the build - they just messed up some configs
dense plover
Again, feels like that is something they had already proven they could do, just ...
That’s pretty much what I’m suggesting actually
That they’re testing how big of a scale they can comfortably do with hot fixes
tropic trail
If void wanna eat Azeroth then pretty sure there won’t be part of the conspiracy later on haha 😂
dense plover
And possibly how long for wowhead to get an article up about the changes to see if there were any problems with the hotfixes from the user/data tool side
deep pawn
We beat the void for a long time in midnight
tropic trail
Yea, I think titans simply failed
deep pawn
We know they return and Northrend is our setting
tropic trail
This much more exiting expansion than Dragonflight at least for me
lone mantle
I have preordered the Anniversary edition. The excitement is palpable. 
dense plover
Bunch of hotfixes just went out for retail as well
So blizzard is busy after the holiday weekend
dense plover
Apparently the retail hot fixes are rep related
Mostly lfr but also a bunch of ToT stuff
ionic terrace
the beta ones were for blood dk
deep pawn
Well I can't see gray. 😄
ionic terrace
oop
ionic terrace
old one
dense plover
Yeah I can’t tell what’s different at a quick glance on mobile
I need one of those slide to compare things
deep pawn
it's missing two talents entirely
dense plover
it's missing two talents entirely
think they were missing before
deep pawn
no, it's the new tree that's missing
silent urchin
alpha servers disconnecting so often I can't even update and save my action bars
which its reset again
maybe it was just the specific spot I was in or something
zealous sedge
I saw something random on Reddit. Who is Dimensius?
silent urchin
Dimensius was a one off void lord as part of ethereal quests in netherstorm in TBC, but is apparently actually the void god that devoured the ethereal homeworld
was mentioned in the harbinger questline in 10.2.7
zealous sedge
Hmm okay so potentially might be bringing him back? Did we “kill” him in TBC?
silent urchin
yeah but I assume it's demon rules and they just go back to the void plane
zealous sedge
Okay cool. Be interesting to see where this goes. We know the void but don’t really know void you know. Really curious to see where they go with it in Midnight.
upper pasture
we barely know anything about the void tbh
zealous sedge
Right I mean we know it exists that’s about it and that sargeras went mad trying to fight it
And some connection to old gods (allegedly/ theory?)
deep pawn
the void spawned the old gods
the void lords themselves can't easily enter reality
their all consuming nature just doesn't mesh well with it
uncut vault
Same way we fought Sargeras: beat up his mini-me and let the big leagues do the real work :P
tepid fiber
We're the muscle of the operation, see? Nyeah!
tropic trail
Hehe 😉
subtle oar
Hmm okay so potentially might be bringing him back? Did we “kill” him in TBC?
No. What we fought in TBC was essentially a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a sliver of his essence.
ionic terrace
Alpha realms are down
silent urchin
Weekly patch signal
deep pawn
I'd love beta today, but if they're following the DF schedule it's next week
little hound
People so mad about me not wanting to play Beta. "Why sign if you aren't gonna play, waah. Wasted beta spot."
GIRL I DIDN'T SIGN, I PRE-ORDERED FOR MOUNT! 
pulsar minnow
Beta is always such a weird period with the community, people bored of the game believing they’re entitled to access, and people with access believing others shouldn’t have it. At the end of the day I just want a good game tbh the only thing that concerns me about beta is that they’re offering access in the pre order
Last time they did that was mists unless I’m mistaken, and there were a lot of issues there. And don’t get me wrong I pre-ordered for Beta so I’m very much apart of the problem if it goes wrong
I just pray TWW isn’t a buggy mess 🙏
deep pawn
I mean they were pretty fast with MoP beta, everyone with Annual Pass got in over 3 weeks
dense plover
"No Place Like Home – Your Hearthstone cooldown is reduced by 5 minutes and gains an additional charge. Replaces Diplomacy."
honestly - thats pretty good
cooldown and charge is kinda wild
maybe just the charge is enough tbh'
the two missing blood talents are in
"New Talent: Bone Collector – When you would pull an enemy, generate 1 charge of Bone Shield.
New Talent: Ossified Vitriol – When you lose a Bone Shield charge the damage of your next Marrowrend is increased by 15%, stacking up to 75%."
honestly both pretty decent
tho i think ossified virtriol is better
silent urchin
I dunno, marrowrend isn't a huge damage source
dense plover
"Bonestorm no longer costs Runic Power. Costs up to 10 Bone Shield Charges and lasts 1 second for each charge consumed. Generates 1 Bone Shield charge every 1 second while active."
isnt this how it worked on first implementation?
hunter has this as the entirety of their changes XD
theyre so fucked
silent urchin
oracle got a lot of changes, no more awkward switching mechanic
also just a lot of buffs to talents
still dunno if I like it at all
dense plover
it seems neat overall
theyre definitely trying new stuff and willing to make stuff interesting
someone ping me when realms go back up
ivory meadow
hunter has this as the entirety of their changes XD
at this point, i'm praying for hunters because good lord...
you just gotta pray
deep pawn
rip beta dreams this week, so DF schedule maybe
ionic terrace
dense plover
TOLD YOU
I FUCKING CALLED IT
i knew i saw a different mech!
also load screen is in
maps!
dense plover
dense plover
That’s Hallowfall?
yeah
i love the cliffs
how they show verticality on a flat map is really well done
dense plover
its only hallowfall currently
zealous sedge
Oh that’s cool. I heard something about them changing/ updating map icons a little bit
uncut vault
Is the ‘Earthen Federation’ a faction I’ve just not seen mentioned anywhere, or is this a reference to something
thin warren
is the world map updated allready actually? If so, someone can share a screenie? :3
dense plover
new spider icon for the map
dense plover
Is the ‘Earthen Federation’ a faction I’ve just not seen mentioned anywhere, or ...
i think its a joke/reference
tropic trail
Nice map 🗺️
upper pasture
kinda funny magni loses diamond status and we get diamond mech suit
deep pawn
loading screen and maps is a good sign for beta soonTM
dense plover
loading screen and maps is a good sign for beta soonTM
one map
deep pawn
that means more can come next week or even on Friday
12 weeks to our first potential prepatch week, so tick tock.
I'm sure the devs are aware they'll lose a decent chunk of testers in 4 weeks.
mossy flare
wtf is this
tepid fiber
I can't believe I forgot grummles were mogu-modified troggs
dense plover
new glyphs
ember blaze
at this point, i'm praying for hunters because good lord...
surely theyre working on a major redesign which includes new animations and spell effects
thats why theyre so silent
also anyone else also concerned hero talents added a problem of making it difficult to add new specs
or just removing fantasies that should have been full specs?
imagine if dark ranger was a whole magic spec for hunters
tepid fiber
So, marksmanship
It has to be different enough to not be covered by the generalized spec identity
Dark Rangers are really just mm hunters
dense plover
SPEAKER BRINTHE HAS VOICE LINES
ember blaze
Dark Rangers are really just mm hunters
what part
mm just look like a regular hunter to me
nothing magical about it
ember blaze
is that all?
tepid fiber
No
dense plover
this is new
tepid fiber
But there's definitely more to it magical than that
ember blaze
doesnt bm hunter also get a shadow ability that sulvanas had? does that make them a dark ranger?
one basic passive or shit active ability doesnt fulfill a fantasy….
tepid fiber
There's a difference between getting an ability and specializing in it
dense plover
proper pricing for quartermaster stuff
tepid fiber
But either way, you can theme the mm as magical depending on interpretation, and Dark Rangers can easily fall under the category. It's about how they fight, not specific abilities
Unless you're too closed off to see it, I don't get it
silent urchin
I don't think I like the earthern voices. I get that they're meant to be almost robotic but it's all a bit bland
ember blaze
and what part of mm speaks that
silent urchin
Maybe they get more interesting post unification?
ember blaze
isnt their theme just a basic sharpshooter
tepid fiber
The peerless marksmanship and training with enhanced archery abilities
ember blaze
with long range
my point is that that doesnt fulfill any magical archer fantasy
fire mage and arcane can cast ice abilities but none of that fulfill a frost mage theme
dense plover
I don't think I like the earthern voices. I get that they're meant to be almost ...
i like it tbh - but also some of them are less like that - the unbound
ember blaze
even if they got ice spellsp
dense plover
its intentional'
the less titan controlled the more voice depth they have
found it
ember blaze
MM having a shot with arcane in its name doesnt mean the spec fulfills a magic archer fantasy
dense plover
ember blaze
and the possibility of a hunter spec going full into that where all its kit is shadow magic is gone cause of hero talents
tepid fiber
MM having a shot with arcane in its name doesnt mean the spec fulfills a magic a...
Dark Rangers, Dwarven riflemen, Kul Tiran huntsmen, and even troll headhunters can all fall under the class fantasy of the marksmanship hunter. It represents all of them, looked at differently from facets. If you can't recognize that's a part of how they design the class fantasies, so one spec can cover more than one archetype, then that's on you for lacking imagination and being too pigeonholed by yourself
upper pasture
new glyphs
I hope this is a bad SS or a PH cause that glyph looks meh
silent urchin
I assume its animated
tepid fiber
Ooo, nice
upper pasture
Maybe I should pop on the alpha now that remix can take a back burner for a bit lol
tepid fiber
A little more flashy and less static
ember blaze
Dark Rangers, Dwarven riflemen, Kul Tiran huntsmen, and even troll headhunters c...
i would rather there be specific focus on certain aspects so that something isnt half assed because youre trying to shove so much into it
tepid fiber
And yet you play Warcraft? 
ember blaze
an example being mage. Its cool there are specs that focus on a specific magic
dense plover
i figured out the air currents
ember blaze
instead of spreading that all around into one and calling it a day
dense plover
theyre only working on the OG dragon riding mounts
tepid fiber
Even there, a spec can be related to completely differently. Not all fire mages are blood elf magisters
ember blaze
no fire mage fantasy cause well the frost mage can cast fireblast so theres no need for a fire spec
cause mage encompasses all those magics
idk if were even having the same discussion though
tepid fiber
Oh get off it, if you're gonna bad faith argument then you can go back into the mute hole with the rest of the bad opinions lol
ember blaze
my opinion is just that I would like a magic archer.
you can mute me over that i guess
dense plover
coreway from ringing deeps still doesnt work
uncut vault
But either way, you can theme the mm as magical depending on interpretation, and...
temporary pet summons and DoT-based gameplay is more than enough of a niche to separate dark ranger from all three other hunter specs, if they were willing to
tepid fiber
So, BM?
uncut vault
especially considering that's essentially what old Survival was, prior to the legion rework, and we still don't have a spec like that since then
tepid fiber
BM already has the dots and temporary summons
dense plover
ooo - the renown menu has a quiet sound effect when you cycle through stuff
tepid fiber
Yes
ember blaze
ok so theres one unexplored concept for temporary summons
instead of summoning a random boar
tepid fiber
It's not unexplored, we already have that
ember blaze
It's not unexplored, we already have that
like
dense plover
how do you access the delve menu?
silent urchin
what delve menu?
dense plover
this menu got upgraded to use the newer UI elements
tepid fiber
With its own sub talents to improve it
dense plover
what delve menu?
the Seasonal one with brann and such
silent urchin
you can access branns talents the same way as before, the objects near delves
not aware of any other menu
I looted a curio, used it to learn it, but don't seem to be able to equip it
dense plover
more work being done on fishing
dense plover
not aware of any other menu
this one and i remembered where it was
silent urchin
Ah
dense plover
delve menu also updated with correct UI
looks like tier completion was reset too
they definitely did a balance pass on delve scaling - tier 1 appears to be easy as 80 (as it should be)
silent urchin
I guess salvaging is back?
dense plover
I guess salvaging is back?
oh yeah its the core of engineering in TWW
also its good tier 1 is easy, my internet is fucked
silent urchin
ah so not like bfa?
dense plover
no
can someone check the waterworks delve? is the totem time working when you pick up a new one now?
currency transfer is in
found sir finley in the delve and rescued him
dense plover
titan disk fragments from a delve - the quest turn in has a new icon
silent urchin
Well so much for trying to do the whole campaign on one character
it seems to not actually be connected between zones
.... my default trade district hearthstone is apparently 2000ft in the air
little hound
New Plunderlord mounts
silent urchin
I can use questzertauren to start the new zone but I wanted to see what the combined xp was like just doing the msq
apparently, not particularly good, ended dorn just under 72
although there are plenty of options to get the rest
on the plus side I seem to no longer have the flying restriction on other chars after finishing the dorn campaign
dense plover
Well so much for trying to do the whole campaign on one character
gotta set your hearth to dornogal
dense plover
apparently, not particularly good, ended dorn just under 72
its probably fine
i think the intention is leveling more characters since you get a 5% permanent boost for each to reach 80 until you have 25%
dense plover
New Plunderlord mounts
trading post
little hound
Yup Ik
dense plover
or the super expensive gold vendor that exists now
the one thats in the black market
deep pawn
Well crocolisk is new entirely for plunderlord
tepid fiber
More plunder?? 👀
deep pawn
I hope a shorter renown track if they do
tepid fiber
Meh, you could already knock it out in a weekend
upper pasture
the length of the first wasn't all that long tbh
upper pasture
plunderstorm. good. remix. good
pulsar minnow
Genuinely a net positive addition to the game
pulsar minnow
More experiments like this are sooo good
upper pasture
both great modes that add some spice to the end of an expansion
pulsar minnow
they're such a genius move
people might whine about "recycled content" but i think anyone would kill to re-experience this stuff
tepid fiber
I mean look at how popular Remix is
dense plover
I mean look at how popular Remix is
remix is way more popular than plunderstorm tho
theres a noticable drop in seasonal M+ runs that wasnt the case for plunderstorm
pve is always more popular than pvp in wow
tepid fiber
Which one is more popular is kind of irrelevant, wasn't making a comparison on that metric. Was more just following up to Tiridan about how it's something different and works
Both modes have been a good thing for WoW, is what we're saying
ember blaze
pve is always more popular than pvp in wow
shouldnt ignore it tho
dense plover
looks like bountiful delves might be working!
the chests are actually here
rewards from the blue one i had a key for
1k rep, a relic, 40 resonance crystals, and a radiant echo
relics/curious dont work right, and undercoin doesnt seem to be implemented still
this is working now
this quest gives 2 now
keys dont go into your inventory anymore - they go straight to the currency tab
deep pawn
Remix at least I feel like I'm playing WoW and the characters I make for it stick around and I can keep playing them. I hated the btag nature of Plunderstorm and how disconnected it all felt, but that's been argued over endlessly already
If Plunderstorm comes back with just a recolor and some crocolisk mounts I probably skip it this time.
Anyone know when they removed the particle effect on the Plunderstorm cloak?
dense plover
dinos and plants
bunch of enemies and rares
rewards are bad
i killed 3 rares and completed the objective - 15 coffer shards and 8 valorstones
alpha text is fun
once you take the quest a bunch of WQs show up
quest is - do 1 WQ for the general and 4 bounties
seems easy
stealth disc to catalog
like cataloging but youre spying
goofy and i love the concept
dense plover
ok so the way the memorials work currently - you activate it, it summons a mob with about 3k HP (considered an elite but too weak), kill it and get some kej
hear me out guys, i dont think we should be able to fly over nerub'ar day 1
it makes it feel so small
and it isnt
but it doesnt feel like suramar because you can explore the whole thing super easily
i think i found the 13th delve
yup
fishing is weird
finished my 4 bounties
guess these are in every zone?
silent urchin
trinket seems pretty.. bad
I guess it all depends on proc chance but existing ones at 70 seem to have at least those numbers
although they do tend to have trinkets start out much weaker and scale a lot in terms of effects
dense plover
dense plover
trinket seems pretty.. bad
yeah i said it needed mainstat
hallowfall has a ton of side quests now
had nearly none before
also seems like every delve has a delvers call quest
which i think is essentially a "do this delve" quest, so you get a first time bonus effectively
now to test if a flight mount to dornogal works
since you cant fly up the coreway
deep pawn
You did the easiest radiant memory right, or are the harder ones disabled
The trinket seems okay for world content, they never let those be that strong outside of outliers like drogbar rocks
dense plover
You did the easiest radiant memory right, or are the harder ones disabled
i only had one option
do a radiant memory
deep pawn
Hmm, either they are blocking the harder ones for now or they removed difficulty entirely
deep pawn
Two weeks ago you could test a stronger memory and then a mythic memory which was suggested for better geared players
I don't know if anyone actually tried them but I saw screenshots of the UI
If it was changed to be basically nothing would explain why they haven't made a big deal about it as endgame content
dense plover
cooking is interesting too - you upgrade food multiple times to make the buff last longer
dense plover
If it was changed to be basically nothing would explain why they haven't made a ...
i think its still VERY WIP
and conceptually is actually pretty neat
it had ghostly plants alongside all of the mobs
made it look like the area was sorta prehistoric in this case
deep pawn
The idea of a mythic challenge that was open world content sounded neat to me.