beta-ptr-spoilers

[deep pawn]

Speculation is unclear and it could be a few things

[tepid fiber]

Azshara and N'Zoth were supplanting the normal voice of the Tidemother that Tidesages hear

[deep pawn]

Last zone on Thursday. If we get all the remaining hero talents we could conceivably see beta a couple weeks later.

I don't see them opening beta the same day remix starts

[silent urchin]

I don't see beta coming for at least a month

[deep pawn]

Ion said beta would start shortly after all zones were in alpha

It'll be before the end of the month I'm fairly sure since we're maybe 3.5 from prepatch

[austere gazelle]

but the tidesage and the Stormsong were fully under Nzoth control and Azshara was clearly active within their rank though, it's not a leap that in BFA the tidemother the Tidesage were speaking about/hearing was Azshara

[deep pawn]

What wasn't THE Tidemother though

At best she was being impersonated.

[austere gazelle]

We don't really know 😉 Azshara was working under the sea WAAAAY before the Stormsong weren't event settled in Kul Tiras. They could have been speaking with this " tidemother " from day one, and, considering Azshara behavior, she would really loved to take that guise so she would be revered

[deep pawn]

Again seems unlikely given how Azshara has left reality and we'd hear if the Tidemother was still sounding angry

[austere gazelle]

She did not leave any reality.... She is aiming at the true throne of power, whatever that is, and the Naga in forbidden reach do says that after the awakening she would rule over sky , sea, and earth. Taking a void portal does not mean she left reality, just that she teleported somewhere

[deep pawn]

It's pretty safe she made her way to the void realm or a fully void corrupted area and is soaking it all up

[austere gazelle]

No, that is a leap though, we don't know at all, it's like saying Xalatath and Iridikron did the same stuff at the end of Dawn of the Infinite, but they were just moving elsewhere

Last stuff we know about Azshara is just her leaving Nyalotah saying she was seeking something else and was tired of following herald or stuff around, nothing more, nothing less

[deep pawn]

Wherever she is it's not where Naga can reach her

[austere gazelle]

she is. And she is preparing to overtop Xal or do something in Midnight. That's why the Naga were active in the forbidden reach. The naga are not saying that Azshara is gone or let them, they are saying that she will soon rule upon the world after the awakening, that's pretty much being in touch with her

[deep pawn]

They're in touch but haven't seen her

Or else she wouldn't have to return

[ionic terrace]

@silent urchin do you mind checking your brann rep

i'm 100% sure they nerfed the required exp

which is good cause it seems 50 is the max LMAO

[silent urchin]

maybe just scales weirdly

[ionic terrace]

werid

[tropic trail]

Damn I can finally be friends with Brann 😁

[zealous sedge]

Are the mount rewards from delves available in the Alpha? I’m curious how the customization looks up close. Assuming it’s gonna be a direct copy of Rostrum of Transformation though.

[silent urchin]

No mount yet

[ionic terrace]

ok yeah this is buggy lol

he leveled down now haha

[vernal remnant]

Does anyone know if the Death knight Rider of the apocalypse hero talent spell "On a paler horse", the one that lets you stay mounted in combat, lets you use it in outdoor instanced content? Like if a dungeon takes place outdoors/raid where you're able to mount, or battlegrounds and arena. Or is it only for outdoor world content

Would be really cool to see it work in battlegrounds, dk flag carriers would be op

[subtle oar]

I believe, world content

[vernal remnant]

It reads like any place that you can mount in it works like that, but cant find anywhere that shows that to be the case,

[cosmic beacon]

its just open world

[rain cave]

whenever something says "outdoors" it means outside of an instance

[deep pawn]

There's some outdoor areas in dungeons. Like nokhus

[rain cave]

aye, but those are still instanced

like you can't use open world stuff when flying around in nokhud

[dense plover]

since its related to mounts, i bet it works there

anywhere you can mount, it should work

[rain cave]

the talent?

I don't think so

it wouldn't work in raids

like the silly quest buffs you get sometimes, or open world benefits from gathering for example

those don't enter instanced content

[vernal remnant]

It does say outdoors, not open world. Thats where the confusion comes into play. Those are open world buffs, but you could go into a building with those, you cant go into a building with the dk hero talent

[dense plover]

probably not in raids no

[rain cave]

yeah but outdoors also means open world in most other contexts

[dense plover]

but it might for dungeons

[rain cave]

to me it reads like a fun talent since it's so busted for higher end stuff

hence why it's a choice node with something that is more balanced and usable in a raid/dungo environmenbt

[vernal remnant]

Def would have been op, but Battlegrounds would be fun if it worked in them

[naive galleon]

Bicepspumps had a video showing it and I thought he said only outdoor, uninstanced content. He showed an example of it not working in necrotic wake even though you can mount there.

[deep pawn]

Is that like an extra flavor choice node or is it taking up one real choice

[cosmic beacon]

I think it’s a choice mode with 10s horsey deaths advance?

So it’s clearly a purely outdoor qol node when we get an incredibly powerful movement ability to use when in instanced content

[rain cave]

This

[cosmic beacon]

10s deaths advance with 100% increased movement speed is busted

Even if the tree is mid at best it makes dk even tankier and have better movement

[serene vigil]

so I heard a rumor that reputations/renown might be cumulative rather than just going off the "highest achieved". Ie if you have 100 points of rep and rank 1 renown on a warrior and 50 points on another character it would add the rep together rather than benchmarking off your 100

any truth or confirmation to that?

[livid walrus]

has someone experiance such issue in hallowfall ?

[silent urchin]

I saw a post mentioning it happens on macs

[livid walrus]

Strange im on windows

[warm topaz]

is the new world event called "Dark mode"

[livid walrus]

Can you link the post?

[silent urchin]

https://fxtwitter.com/MysticalOS/status/1786471250434383883

https://fxtwitter.com/MysticalOS/status/1786484374600335585 follow up tweet suggests its a universal bug but windows (normally) corrects it to an extent

[livid walrus]

Thanks!

[warm topaz]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/story/short-story/a-whisper-of-warning

[silent urchin]

oh it's one of the ones from the upcoming book

[rain cave]

liking the setup of arator here

introducing half elves more into the story in TWW, and saying how alleria and him are alike as she will go stubbornly search for something and he will stubbornly fight in the battle it causes

midnight being around silvermoon where he is

also the light and dark tattoos to represent his parentage

man's the real child of light and shadow

[deep pawn]

a bit of an inconsistency though haha

He wouldn't have had green eyes as a child and Alleria wouldn't have had green either. She was a High Elf like her sisters.

[rain cave]

yeah was gonna point that out

lmao

[deep pawn]

In fact, he was hotfixed in TBC to have blue eyes even lol

[rain cave]

curious how that got past proofreading

frustrating since that's probably already been printed >.<

I mean at a stretch you could argue that elves aren't born with the glowing eyes and they pick it up from exposure as they grow up, and alleria used to have natural green eyes

but ehhh

I think belf child models have glowing eyes

[deep pawn]

elf babies even

[silent urchin]

Do we have any idea who the "Someone amazing" who gave him tattoos is?

It doesn't ring any bells to me but it sounds like they're trying to hint at someone

[rain cave]

I just assumed he was seeing somebody

and that somebody gave him tattoos

[deep pawn]

She recognizes the style though so

[rain cave]

I mean could be hilarious if he's dating a demon hunter hence the tattoo talent

doesn't have to be a belf actually

[deep pawn]

It could be something ranger related

they're big on tattoos

[rain cave]

yeah that's what I initially thought

they are dragon tattoos though aren't they

maybe bro is getting scalie

[deep pawn]

I don't think that.

It must be a ranger Alleria remembers

[silent urchin]

oooh last minute PTR build those are always fun

[deep pawn]

probably bringing it to the class changes

[pulsar minnow]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4dkZXJBet0Nd9WsQbs70rX9WvkqwVYi571zwuDfLoSY/https/wow.zamimg.com/uploads/blog/images/41067-the-voices-within-short-story-collection-cover-revealed.jpg

Gosh I love the cast for this expansion

I pray they all get the screen time they deserve

[dense plover]

the fact that faerin is there means she is probably sticking around

i really hope they give moira a new model

she hasnt been updated in forever and it shows

especially since her son has a custom model

[pulsar minnow]

She got updated in the war within

That is her new model on the cover

[deep pawn]

I think it's interesting just how much she fully took on being Dark Iron Queen

Especially given she's a Bronzebeard.

gimme that mog though

[pulsar minnow]

Considering how testy her relationship was with other bronzebeards, and how much the dark irons adore her, I’m not surprised

[tepid fiber]

There was a minor civil war within the Dark Iron Clan over it, so it's not exactly like it was easy. There were Ragnaros cultists and Dark Iron purists constantly working against her, and she had to push forth extra Dark Iron forces during the events of MOP, WOD, and BFA to prove that the Dark Iron Clan were as committed to the Alliance cause as the rest of the Council of Three Hammers

[tulip sun]

Given everyone but Gazlowe has shown to be a major character in TWW, I think we are 100% getting goblin/Gazlowe for a patch

[pulsar minnow]

agreed

[tepid fiber]

Hopefully it's time for his unique leader model 🙏

[deep pawn]

Gazlowe is a major char too

[tepid fiber]

I beg

[deep pawn]

We already have his new model

Yes it's using existing armor but it has unique goggles

[tepid fiber]

About time lol

[tulip sun]

He already did get an outfit model. Not a unique model itself, but outfit wise it's better

Its actually the same as the art

[deep pawn]

I recognize the cata leather chest haha

[tepid fiber]

He needs real leader treatment tbh

[tulip sun]

Perhaps someday

[pulsar minnow]

give his ass a mech

i beg

[tulip sun]

But outfit update is better than nothing. They're updating every returning characters outfit who hasn't gotten one in the past expansion or two

[tepid fiber]

Favorite Warcraft goblin since before WoW

[tulip sun]

Gorgonna, Kurdran, Danath and Gazlowe all have new putfits

Outfits

[deep pawn]

is it bad I have no damn idea who the first one is?

[tepid fiber]

I want a unique leader model

[tulip sun]

She is the current Warsong Clan Chieftain

[tulip sun]

Imo all racial leaders should. But I take what I can get v.v

[deep pawn]

oh, you mean the woman who had a bit part in the Orc heritage quest

she's actually involved in TWW?

[tulip sun]

From data mining she appears to be leading the Horde reinforcements alongside Thrall, Geyarah, Voss and Gazlowe.

We havnt tested those. Unsure if we will

[deep pawn]

interesting

Why do we need 3 orcs though, granted the Warsong and Mag'har are the most militaristic of the clans

[tulip sun]

I mean, they're all distinct characters. And their forces are easy to rally since they're largely in Orgrimmar.

Lots of the generic troops are maghar and orc in the database

[deep pawn]

Gorgonna is a blank slate beyond "I took control of the warsong, whatcha gonna do about it?"

[tepid fiber]

Orcs do tend to be the military backbone of the Horde, strength/numbers wise

[deep pawn]

Feels like the most recent wars have been carried by the blood elves haha

[tepid fiber]

Not sure how. But yeah, Gorgonna and the other orc clan leaders could use a little more character face time, if not more involvement, because for the longest time it's been really fuzzy who is leading or representing who. She also had involvement in the Heart of War novel, and was an iconic Horde character from Grizzly Hills which is still to this day a fan favorite zone

So she's not an unknown for people who like orcs, really

[deep pawn]

Grizzly Hills was literally 16 years ago, I didn't even know she was that old a char

[ionic terrace]

I guess this was added in the last build because she was using her old(?) model in ringing depths

She’s had a ton of outfits lol

[tulip sun]

It was datamined the first build

They just don't have her using it ingame yet

[ionic terrace]

Ah

She had her Princess Leia outfit until cata, then cata outfit and a variant with shoulders for mop

Then her current outfit lol

I’m glad she’s getting something unique

seems gorgonna is wearing a updated horde tabard too

i bet we get it down the road like the updated darn one

[rain cave]

he's got a lot to interact with as goblins go

airships, titan machinery

they did also say something about the goblin cannon again didn't they?

(even if thats a meme)

gazlowe is also the perfect kind of character to be a delve companion

[deep pawn]

He's gonna be a major cause of the goblins in general

[ionic terrace]

i wouldn't be surprised if he's S2

delve

tank with mech

[tulip sun]

I thought there were data mined stuff of maybe rexxar

[ionic terrace]

i guess rexxar with misha tank

assuming each npc has two of the three roles

it's gotta be tank/whatever since brann doesn't tank

[deep pawn]

they all have to be able to heal

tanking is less of a deal since the damage taken will be tuned based on whether you have a tank or not

[ionic terrace]

i suppose you have have no tank npcs but some people like that playstyle

[deep pawn]

if you go into a delve as a solo tank the mobs will have less hp and do more damage

[ionic terrace]

i more so mean the playstyle of being a healer with your tank npc

[deep pawn]

It almost certainly will use the tech scenarios and horrific visions used.

Brann if he's set to dps will likely hold aggro against a solo healer.

[ionic terrace]

he currently FDs

idk if that's a bug or what

trust me, i've tried to kill him lol

[deep pawn]

it'll be fine then, solo healers dealt with horrific visions and torghast just fine

[ionic terrace]

oh yeah i know, no issues

anyway, it seems pretty nice so far

if they go with the current eight skills for each role that aren't shared

(I think, the ui is bugged and throws lua erros rn)

[deep pawn]

that's what alpha is for

[silent urchin]

brann heals by throwing potions on the ground for you to pick up, they can just do similar for other NPCs

also, at least right now, putting him as healer seems like a complete trap because I think it scales up the damage a lot and his healing is.. not good

scaling in general is really all over the place anyway, but especially in delves

[dense plover]

oh - its just not in game

oh dang

wonder why she has a new model but isnt using it

[tulip sun]

It's just a funky alpha thing I reckon

[ionic terrace]

same with magni

well, a version of him

[dense plover]

well, magnis new model isnt finished yet

the version we have is a placeholder for sure

[crystal pond]

I am surprised that we have so much content for tww already and its only alpha

Even df was very dull compare to this

[deep pawn]

you sure?

feels comparable

[harsh mason]

It may seem so because of delves

[warm topaz]

agree

[harsh mason]

But in fact, there is the +- same amount of content in each exp

[crystal pond]

Did df alpha had questlines with text-cutscenes and voiced lines?

I remember beta did for sure but i remember that df alpha was pretty dull on that side

They eventually opened the whole dragon isles but still half of the quests was cut
I remember it did had quests that was just "placeholder text" And that's it

Delves are feel same as dragonriding (and broken as well lmao)

I meant content as not only mechanics but all of it

[livid walrus]

🗿 10.2.7 ptr amidrasill/gilneas ship

[dense plover]

Yes alpha had some voice acting - this has a bit more but the dialogue we have seems to be just in Hallowfall, likely meaning it was the first zone they worked on

[silent urchin]

I had a new quest available today and.. I'm helping the steelstars throw a dinner party?

[deep pawn]

That's neat

[deep pawn]

Also shows how militaristic/meritocratic their society is

[silent urchin]

yeah. They were very militaristic even before they got to hallowfall

quest is bugged, sadly. Can't get much further. Mostly seems to just be a nice quiet moment, doesn't seem like there's much more

I wonder if it's a rotating daily/weekly thing? I think we just had weekly reset

[tepid fiber]

I wonder what this expansion's poop quest will be

[deep pawn]

so cheese and vegetables melted into a slurry, mmmm

sounds like home

add some ground beef and pasta and you got hamburger helper!

[silent urchin]

So some somewhat baseless speculation.. I don't think anyone is actually interested in the crystal. Everyones interested in something deeper. People keep asking why the sword is going after the crystal, but if the crystal is a ship (and it certainly seems to be inserted into the roof), what is the crystal pointing at.

So far we have Titans (big ol titan facility + earthern), the light (naaru crystal + arathi), shadow (nerubians + xalatath), fel (sargeras's sword), and potentially life via harronir druids all seemingly interested in something much deeper than the crystal

[upper pasture]

Hopefully a new bat guano quest

[silent urchin]

There's been some somewhat well founded speculation that the world soul is NOT a baby titan, but is instead as yet unbound to any one particular part of the cosmology, and there's potentially 5 of the 6 major branches already present

all we need is the scourge to show up now

[pulsar minnow]

Scourge kinda already did

The soul forge under ice crown

[silent urchin]

Well, something way more localised to khaz algar than that

[dreamy dove]

It’so bad it looks AI generated
Just look at alleria’s face lmao

[pulsar minnow]

Most definitely not ai generated

It’s an art style

Not everything is ai art, and I have no idea what about the painting makes you think it’s ai

[harsh mason]

I think many people are very lucky that we live in the era of AI, because now you can add anything to this. I've even read the comments that the soundtrack to amirdrassil was written by AI

[tepid fiber]

Idk, doesn't sound soulless and like overgeneralized garbage enough to me

[silent urchin]

I think it's a bunch of bits of different illustrations cut together

similar to the weird EK loading screen

[tepid fiber]

I think that's just Ludo Lullabi's art style

(As far as the EK loading screen, that is)

[plain violet]

Yes it's just her art style.

[tepid fiber]

His

[silent urchin]

It's the art style but also they all have different perspectives and so on which amplifies it

[dreamy dove]

The distorted alleria and faerin faces mainly

[pulsar minnow]

Okay but you’re not gonna look at how thralls had his face squished? Or how anduins chin grew? It’s just a caricature-esque art style

[harsh mason]

AI does not always distort something

[austere gazelle]

Do we have any information about this Arathi emperor.. and where that empire is supposed to be ? It's kinda bothering me , I'm really not fond of entire empire popping up from a remote part of Azeroth that nobody heard before

[silent urchin]

Not a whole lot. it's probably beyond the magical storms to the west, which is why its been out of contact so long

[serene vigil]

arathi highlands arent that remote, but the empire left the main continnent like 1000 years ago

in the lore

[warm topaz]

it is probably Avaloren

[dense plover]

This is the big thing. It’s mentioned that they were teleported down there after getting caught in some kind of storm

It’s possible that these are some of the storms blocking off part of Azeroth

[silent urchin]

There was some text somewhere that said they'd pretty much reached the isle of dorn before getting teleported

so I don't think it was the same storms that are blocking off the west

But also nothing said about how they did pass them

[deep pawn]

There's enough context clues.

You have the descendents of Arthur living in Avalon.

Now we just gotta hope they don't pull a Seanchan

[rain cave]

do we know what teleported them?

was it their mages?

or did they just get zooped down

[deep pawn]

golden light

[silent urchin]

Not the mages. Described as a golden light

[rain cave]

interesting

[silent urchin]

probably the crystal

But I feel like the crystal is somewhat misdirection

[rain cave]

that fucking crystal is so interesting

[silent urchin]

Everyones focusing on it, but I feel like it's just one of many representatives of the various cosmic forces all here after something else (the world soul, most likely, whatever that turns out to be)

[rain cave]

also I was thinking about the naaru the other day

about how "the titans" are more of a faction in terms of their power structure, same as the old gods

and we know there are different kinds of naaru

was just making me think of what would a full on titan sized naaru be like? since the light crystal kind of look like a giant version of the core we had in legion

or if the naaru are made, perhaps whoever made them created a giant core to fire at azeroth to try make it into a giant naaru

and it missed the coreway and got lodged in the side instead

if the fight of light vs shadow culminates in midnight, who says we'll be with light?

could be a 1v1v1 with light shadow and us

I think faction and cosmoglogy lines are going to blur, as they kind of already have in bits

since they've been pushing the narrative of nothing being just good or bad, everything just being a "force"

seems obvious to say but yeah, we'll probably be seeing people from every cosmology with and against us

tbf though they could also save the light = enemy arch until after the last titan, since the arathi stuff could definetly just be a setup for later story archs

probably seem healthier to give the story some breathing room

[deep pawn]

except the entire mission of the Arathi was to set up a foothold and open portals back

The Emperor won't stop I bet.

[austere gazelle]

We know that there are what Titans considers " Heretics " in Avaloren. that they might end up destroying each others according to him. So some unholy alliance ( for the titans ) that could be a mix of Order Void Fel and Light, if the end of Secret of Azeroth is something linked to that

[rain cave]

interesting if the arathi are from avaloren and the titan consider them heretics

but that would have been before they even got there

so what the hells on avaloren

some kind of crazy light beings?

[austere gazelle]

Maybe titan forged construct went to avaloren when the Titan ordered Azeroth, and took shelter there with some void aligned creature and stuff. Over time they all became victims of the curse of flesh for some and devolved into human too, and made an empire based on their knowledge and maybe advised by some rogue titan constructs ( Merlin-like ? )

[plain violet]

My bad, his! :)

[deep pawn]

Interesting, wowhead doesn't have her

she must be a new addition to the rift

[silent urchin]

there were a few new NPCs there, yeah

I suspect she was one of the encrypted cubes on PTR

former vendor in silvermoon, apparently

oh wait, not vendor, NPC with some speech

[deep pawn]

yeah, she hated the magisters

ended up mind controlled

[deep pawn]

oh those corrupted Draenei are creepy

Lady Darkglen has class

Definitely a Draenei...

[zealous sedge]

Is this part of dark heart?

Questline?

Or is this alpha

[deep pawn]

dark heart

oh snap, quest gives transmog!

[zealous sedge]

Hell yes

[zealous sedge]

Ohhh

[deep pawn]

void scales for the slitherdrake!

[zealous sedge]

Is it class specific

Tbh was hoping void recolors for netherwing haha

[deep pawn]

It might be more than that, I'll have to check on other chars

[zealous sedge]

Word

My spriest needs some cool void tmog

[deep pawn]

there's a flail mace

Oh I missed Ennas before

He's the other person the magisters mind controlled

[zealous sedge]

I was reading through MoP remix guide on wowhead and couldn’t find anything to confirm this - are you able to buy/ collect all cosmetics for all gear and weapon types no matter what class you are playing? Like can my warrior buy cloth ensembles for example?

[subtle oar]

You can, afaik

[zealous sedge]

Coolio

[dense plover]

oh my god

i didnt realize that cutscene was an ARTC

i thought it was prerendered

holy shit what an advancement

i see it now

its all in the lighting

thats the only difference

i like all the changes to telogrus

maybe new music too? it sounds new

khadgar has new on click dialogue

i like this questline

[jade basalt]

Same for the Alleria and Khadgar one

[dense plover]

that was the one i was talking about

[jade basalt]

Ah, thought you were talking about the new one with Locus Walker

It's crazy yeah, their cutscenes are now pre-rendered level

[dense plover]

the memories of previous wielders is interesting

tying the dagger back in has to be important

WHAT?!

Xal is trying to summon a void lord?

wtf?

tying back into the OG wow story with the legion and titans

goddamn

i assume the outfit change is a consequence of this cutscene too

"you must master your unique nature"

[jade basalt]

We kind of knew that from the lore for https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Voidsong,_Stave_of_the_Harbinger

[dense plover]

oh

OH

crazy

so she definitely isnt an old god

is she like a servant of the void lords?

is midnight gonna be void lords?

thats wild

so this is xal in disguise right?

we know that from datamined dialogue right?

ok so this quest is LITERALLY the quest before they go to seek magni at the prepatch/start of TWW

so they have been trying to get to magni

he isnt responding

this is a good storyline

i hope its part of TWW storyline/expac lead in

just to help establish some story

like for new players i mean

[jade basalt]

Doesn't seem so yeah, she's something else

And Locus-Walker seems to be a little familiar with her

[silent urchin]

Well, they have spent quite a lot of time together

[deep pawn]

Xal'atath is ancient

[dense plover]

the draenei heritage quest gives you these hologems to teleport places

it is the COOLEST hearthstone animation - i hope they add it as a toy

[autumn dagger]

it is added as a full on draenei exclusive hearthstone at the end of the quest chain

[dense plover]

FUCK YES

woah, there is a TON going on in auchidoun

pretty sure there isnt normally a naaru here

"i thought auchindoun was abandoned after the war"

[glass flicker]

Jeez, finally doing something with Outland.

[dense plover]

"our dead are still being interred here?"

"what are you doing with these vigilants?"

"Where do you get the vigilants from?"

vigilants being the big ass robots we met on draenor but ofc have always been a draenei thing

ghost draenei exarch

at least i think so?

we are sort of going around and curing spirits of their guilt from failing to save shattrath/auchindoun

its kinda chill?

i like it

paving the way to one day redo shattrath

since theyre revisiting northrend, it wouldnt surprise me if they one day redo outland too

[tulip sun]

Seems more likely to me they'll build this new city on Azeroth

[rain cave]

she seems interesting

she's talking about shining stars, has dawn in the name, "Eclipse"

[dense plover]

seems the eredar who switched sides are called penitents

[rain cave]

she's not a warrior rep since the spellbreaker NPC is on the other side of the camp

[dense plover]

shes new

[rain cave]

void elf paladin teasing perhaps 👀

[dense plover]

theres a bunch of new void elf npcs

its to flesh out the area

[rain cave]

yeah I was lookin at em all

[dense plover]

it is not teasing anything

they added like 50 new npcs

[rain cave]

just saying she gives pally vibes

since all the new NPC's represent all the different classes I'm noticing

[pulsar minnow]

Saw a post on twitter - she is a paladin

[dense plover]

and they fucked up mob density

so one of these heritage quests is impossible b/c there are too many people

they take FOREVER to respawn too

[pulsar minnow]

We now know at least one void elf paladin exists

[deep pawn]

it's a race between whether they feel mounts or totems are easier to make

void elf and undead paladins are the two that need the most lore work

[pulsar minnow]

Dude I just want belf and human paladins to get updated chargers

They look sooo bad. I don’t feel like grinding the order hall campaign again on another character just to get it for my main

[deep pawn]

eh?

[clear apex]

Iirc you don't need to do the quest again for a class you've previously done it on?

[pulsar minnow]

Is that true?

Gonna check now

[clear apex]

What confused me is that belf and helf can be paladin and since velf are just further corrupted elf... why couldn't they have remained a paladin? Makes no sense to me.

[rain cave]

belf's need updated melee animations imo

[pulsar minnow]

Oh for sure

Their two handed auto looks so goofy

[rain cave]

none of the void elves would have been paladins

[clear apex]

Plus there's shadow priests so a void wielding paladin seems fine imo

[rain cave]

blood knights are blood knights, they wouldn't have been researching void

[pulsar minnow]

And I know it’s iconic but I hate the belf lean

[clear apex]

Not even as their belf or helf form? That's all they are.

[rain cave]

belf's have actually been depicted more shunning of the void than the army of the light lmao

[rain cave]

yeah but all the void elves that were from silvermoon were scholars

warlocks, mages, maybe a priest dabbling in shadow at the time.

[clear apex]

Yes and they have paladin class. Blood knights. So did a belf paladin just "forget" how to be one?

[rain cave]

blood knights were the paladins in silvermoon, and they would have reported that behaviour

not been a part of it

there's a reason the void elves were shunned in the first place

largely BECAUSE of the blood knights

[clear apex]

I know. But that's far from my point

[rain cave]

there is still a lore way for void elf paladins though. Because a large portion of the void elves are half elfs and high elves from the alliance side

and we see in arator and the new lothar that they can be paladins

[clear apex]

Yup.

[rain cave]

so it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to do some kind of blend there, they already have an NPC with a lot of Sun+ Shadow themes in telogras

that being said I reckon it'll have to come alongside something else

because just full on light wielding void elves wouldn't really fit the fantasy imo

I wanna see some mixed colours

maybe anduin will end up there

since he's questioning the light, and is about to be kidnapped into a void expansion lmao

if they really want to get funky with his visuals they can make his sword have the dual light/shadow themes since it can split and combine :p

but that's just rule of cool deep speculating

[deep pawn]

This is the first time we've seen a void elf clearly channel the light the way a paladin does

It was presumed to be partially impossible

Just like how a truly undead paladin would burn inside out

[clear apex]

They have priests who use the light

Maybe not that I've seen in game but you can play as one

[deep pawn]

Using the light is slightly different than the embodiment that paladins do.

Undead priests for example can use the light briefly but it is painful

Trying to use the light how a paladin does is considered to be on par with dead for an undead but they may be adjusting that

[clear apex]

Also anduin is a priest that is special and gets to use a sword and wear plate

He's kind of a hybrid at this point

[deep pawn]

Undead and Void Elf priests allowed to be holy priests is a game play thing more than lore.

[clear apex]

My point was, if belf and helf were possibly paladin adjacent class before deciding to use the void, why would they possibly not have remained as one as a velf.
Simple hypothetical questions.

But, i imagine it's because blizzard has come out to say stuff about assets and art but they can crank out a new allied race and trading post items monthly

[autumn dagger]

Maybe they use what little connection to the light they have left, or maybe they draw power from the stars in the same manner that the tauren paladin draw power from an'she

or some nelf paladins from elune

and sun + moon = eclipse

we'll see

[deep pawn]

Because it used to be presumed void elves couldn't call on the light at all

[tepid fiber]

Or at least it's dangerous

Void elves can't even be near the Sunwell

[deep pawn]

The eclipse is a good way to do it I think. Fully dark but the corona remains

[autumn dagger]

seems now they can lmao, I mean the new class race combos have been getting backstories on how they exist

like the orc priests

or perhaps future nightborne druids with the arcandor and tel'arn (fingers crossed)

[clear apex]

I just want more druid races and there's a lot of new creatures that could work for them. Just add in the fighting animations.
Maybe some day

Like the new lynx model for belf

[deep pawn]

Like I said, that we have an actual blue void elf using the light is probably enough to say they can do it.

It's a matter of making a mount for them

[rain cave]

if we get that banger gradient colour scheme of purple to light

I'm all for it

[deep pawn]

Doubt we'll get that

Cause like only ret and holy can even do sun paladin

And that's with a hero tree and it's not replacing all spells

[rain cave]

I'm sayin if we see this sort of gradient in spells

[autumn dagger]

maybe new hero talent in 12.0 😛

[rain cave]

there's some cool colour transitions they can do with eclipsey void light stuff

[tepid fiber]

Twilight...

(And by Twilight I mean Hour of Twilight, not the glitter vampires and shirtless werewolves)

[glass flicker]

Tyrande's kiss with Malfunction in Bel'Ameth was a better love story than Twilight, and it was the first kiss directly shown in WoW.

[rain cave]

I mean would be insane if one of the voids plans is to intentionally throw itself into the light to corrupt it and create something new and stronger if they know that both of them balance eachother out

[glass flicker]

So yeah.

[rain cave]

since the void doesn't have the same disgust for the light that the light has for the void

[glass flicker]

May I redirect you to NETHER energy?

Am I the only one who never forgot the Netherlight Crucible?

[rain cave]

oh yeah

[glass flicker]

Hm. Discipline Priests, I feel, will get a whole lot of action if my theory is to bear fruit.

They already use both Light and Void stuff. Would not be surprised if someone called you out on it.

So, here's my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. One of the Void Lords will find Azeroth come Midnight. But, being so powerful that they can't even enter our physical space, they're simply relegated to chilling in outer space, basically making Azeroth AMOLED mode, thus the expansion namesake; Midnight.

A Void Lord surrounding the planet sounds metal, and it would eclipse that time Argus was in the sky.

[deep pawn]

The Dark Heart is a prototype Dragon Soul, a device we know Sargeras wanted to use at the well of eternity.

I think a old god blood infused heart could use the Sunwell

Possibly related to whatever the machine we need to save .

The void does love their lose-lose calls

Save the machine, doom the Sunwell

[glass flicker]

Huh. I didn't know that. Been a FFXIV gremlin for the past three weeks.

[tropic trail]

This expansion really feels like going to be good. At least something that interests me

[zealous sedge]

How long does it take to complete the dark heart questline?

[deep pawn]

Jani best part of this patch

It's less than 30 minutes of content

Has nice implications but it's barely there

I would say I'd like more.

[zealous sedge]

Nice that’s perfect I’m flying overseas tomorrow so trying to get something in since won’t be back til a day after remix launches. No chance for some WoW time between now and then.

[ember blaze]

were you able to pvp in panda remix?

[rose escarp]

WITHERING SHADE!! BLISTERING TWILIGHT!!

[lone mantle]

No power can overcome us!

[deep pawn]

You keep saying that construct. We'll see what all the other cosmic forces have to say about it soon enough.

[lone mantle]

I am not an ordinary construct. I am a divine entity, alpha and omega, a spectral presence beyond the realm of the living.

[boreal pecan]

And yet you fall over so easily, interesting

[subtle oar]

It wasn't Sargeras, it was Illidan. Illidan told Xavius and Queen Azshara about the Demon Soul. Neither of them nor Sargeras knew about its existence before that. Illidan never intended to help them only to use the Demon Soul to stop Azshara/Xavius' plans.

[subtle oar]

Outer Space; aka the Great Dark Beyond is actually part of Reality. The Void Lords are unable to manifest into even that. Only Dimentius has been able to do it once very briefly to destroy Karesh. Likely because he is the most powerful of the Void Lords.

I'd rather the final patch of Midnight actually be the Void Lord patch where they employ their final gambit, expending all their energy to forcefully manifest at risk of complete destruction after Xalatath claims the Sunwell and feeds its power into the Void for the whole xpac; in hopes of swallowing Azeroth. That way it's in keeping with the established lore that they can't manifest.

[glass flicker]

Oh dear, I'm not saying they should manifest. Just that their essence looming over Azeroth, casting it into perpetual night would be cool. The expansion is called MIDNIGHT, after all.

[tropic trail]

You referring to that elemental boss right ?

[harsh mason]

I have a theory that in the past Xal was a representative of an alien race that suffered the same fate as the Ethereals. That is, she is literally bodiless and she always needs a vessel.

[lone mantle]

Yes, the Shadowflame Amalgamation. He is located in Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible.

[harsh mason]

And she has already appeared on Azeroth as a servant of the dark empire

[plain violet]

@uncut vault I checked, no priest specific line.

And I did it on Shadow Priest. x_x

[austere gazelle]

Dunno, from what it seems she is very very old, older than the old gods and as old as Elune or a bit younger. I think that there is another specie we didn't heard about that share the same traits as starry being like the Constellar , Elune and such and Xal is maybe one of them. Maybe offsprings of the First Ones or some stuff like that

[harsh mason]

I wrote this because it is POSSIBLE that when she lived in the dark empire on Azeroth, she had already used someone else's body.

Again, this is just my guess.

I mean, yes, her body was killed and her essence was enclosed in a blade, but that doesn't mean it was her original body.

[clear apex]

🤔 was Xal always a she even?

Or just the current body

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

she was a she in the dagger

and i think some of the past wielder memories use 'she'

[rain cave]

I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if pure void beings don't give a fuck really. But regardless she presents as female

be that for her own tastes, or because she finds it easier to manipulate people like that

or both because she's freaky

[plain violet]

She's both, clearly!

[severe oxide]

This is precisely because she was a knife. Everyone knows that all knives are shes, just like how all forks are hes. (spoons are their own thing altogether)

[tropic trail]

She can assume every form or enter every object it seems

[dense plover]

i dont think so

its probably more complex

also she was trapped in the dagger

that was not a choice

[rain cave]

Bro'atath spork of the black empire

[dense plover]

finally able to complete draenei heritage story stuff

looks like we also cleanse bloodmyst

"will finally begin to heal"

so maybe theyll finally put it on the azeroth map when they do that XD

when did draenei get the lean emote?

[austere gazelle]

well in my country forks are "she"

[dense plover]

the draenei heritage set is great

i love the newer heritage sets

velen has invited hatuun to serve on the draenei council again

[warm topaz]

and they are rebuilding Shattrath!

[dense plover]

or a new city

not actually entirely clear

oh no wait

yeah

wouldnt be surprised if we see this in the expac after TWW or the one after that

[warm topaz]

so probably a revamp of the zone on Midnight?

[dense plover]

this is too intentional to not end up happening

[deep pawn]

new Shat

[tropic trail]

Do you know how she got trapped there or who trapped her?

[rain cave]

so they're going back to outland?

that line doesn't tell me much but I haven't done the quest yet so idk full context

[dense plover]

no we do not know

it happened a LONG time ago

[dense plover]

unknown

might be on azeroth

hard to say

[rain cave]

it's kind of funny how the draenei are literally "the exiled ones" but they've not really ever been exiled have they?

[dense plover]

considering we also cleanse bloodmyst, it could be there

[rain cave]

more like evacuated

they barely managed to escape argus as I understand it

and on draenor they left because they were getting wiped out by the orcs

[signal bone]

new build today?

[silent urchin]

they've been thursdays so far

[upper pasture]

i believe they meant it as they are building the new city where the ship is

not actually on draenor

since ship = their exile.

[ionic terrace]

i guess this fella only pops up when void

[upper pasture]

and i believe they said something along the lines of "we've been clinging to this dying ship" too

[dense plover]

i think we will find out eventually

[dense plover]

there are a few like that

i wish it was more

[upper pasture]

well, yeah

[dense plover]

imagine if the animals became infused with void

they also need to make the zone darker when beledar goes into shadow

[ionic terrace]

hmm i guess they disabled the gathering the light event

[tropic light]

hey do u guys play on the ptr dragonflight 10.2.7?

[dense plover]

yeah it was disabled shortly after launch

[dense plover]

isnt that ptr dead?

10.2.7 is out

if it isnt dead it will be soon

why?

[tropic light]

i want to buy some heirlooms but i dont have guild

[dense plover]

ptr isnt for leveling - its for testing

[tropic light]

yea i know

[dense plover]

and theyre done testing - theyll be wiping the servers relatively soon

why are you trying to test heirlooms?

we already know how they work

they work as they do on live

[tropic light]

but i dont have heirlooms so i want to test how fast can i lvl up with heirlooms

just that

[dense plover]

not very

they nerfed them a while ago

they just increase rested xp

[tropic light]

oh

[dense plover]

they no longer boost general xp gain

they havent done that for years

[tropic light]

its cuz i dont play wow

i played the last time on cataclysm

[dense plover]

yeah heirlooms are garbage now

[tropic light]

but they have the attributes

[dense plover]

theyre essentially just scaling stated gear

the xp stuff isnt really needed

leveling 1-60 is pretty fast these days

10-15 hours max

[clear apex]

You can get much better gear just leveling

[tropic light]

wow thats fast asf

[dense plover]

with pandaria remix coming out itll be even faster in that event

[tropic light]

when i played on wotlk last time

i dont evene level up to max

and i played like for 3 months

[dense plover]

yeah wow it totally different now

[clear apex]

Didn't they mention tww doing something new with heirloom or did i imagine that

[warm topaz]

you would be surprised on how much people play on PTR bc they don't have money to pay WoW

[tropic light]

lol

[warm topaz]

im not saying is a bad thing lol

[dense plover]

there is a new achieve - every time you get a character to 80, you get a +5% xp boost

thats coming in TWW

[tropic light]

i dont have money

[dense plover]

maxes out at +25%

[clear apex]

Ooh ok that's what i thought

Couldn't remember for sure

[dense plover]

its just not a good idea - they will often close ptr accounts of people who treat ptr as free wow

you can fully lose access to ptr

[upper pasture]

there will also be a new heirloom ring in the prepatch event

[dense plover]

ive even heard of people having their entire wow account banned

[clear apex]

There are... alternatives but I'm not gonna say that here

I need to level up my loom trinket from DF prepatch cause i love that thing

[dense plover]

its so expensive to level heirlooms

needs to be cheaper now that theyre not as powerful

[upper pasture]

i mean, they are still pretty useful

leveling without worrying about replacing gear until the end.

[clear apex]

if you've remembered to level them

I just want that one trinket upgraded but i think i can do that in timewalking events for that currency?

[upper pasture]

i mean, it's a one time thing so. you level it once and you don't have to remember to level it each time

[clear apex]

I know, i just kinda stopped using them though. After the leveling squish i didn't bother

[rain cave]

can't wait to level everything for heritage in remix lmao

[dense plover]

same

they confirmed you can and after the first time, leveling gets even faster

idk if its cumulative or not but i hope so?

depends on if the achieve that grants alt power is account or character based

im hoping they also do some passes to tweak some of the quests that cause choke points

[rain cave]

I think it's cumulative

[silent urchin]

it's not. It's not really all that account wide afaik. The way it worked on ptr was there were achievements, which gave new characters specific amounts of stats on the cloak. You capped those pretty much around the same time as hitting 70

Top one gave 315% bonus xp but not all that much in extra stats

[dense plover]

yeah im hoping we see SOME changes in that regard?

idk

[rain cave]

I thought you got a buff when you reached level cap that gave you stacking xp buff for other toons

• the cape stats also going over to other toons

[dense plover]

no thats in TWW

the cape stats with xp is based on number of threads collected

[upper pasture]

but it only passes X amount to alts based of total number of threads on your highest cloak.

[dense plover]

yeah

[upper pasture]

and there was like 5 achievements that increase it

[dense plover]

im hoping theyve made changes

im specifically hoping theyll include some secondaries

instead of none

[silent urchin]

this was with the maxed achievement

main at the time looked like

[dense plover]

yeah the stats are so wonky

i hope it was changed

[silent urchin]

It'll be pretty bloody fast to level anyway

[dense plover]

we will see next week

[upper pasture]

seems to trade in some stats for bonus exp which honestly is nice

i'd rather have faster leveling then more stats any day while sub 70

[silent urchin]

you stop getting xp threads once you get (near) max level

I never actually leveled the alt so dunno if that can go higher than 315

[dense plover]

i fucking hope they fixed xp too

xp post-60 was bugged

plus evoker couldnt change specs until 60

or 58 or something

[silent urchin]

It was really weird in the mid levels as well, from like 35-55 the xp/level actually went down

you just blew through those

[dense plover]

i really hope they actually went through and changed stuff and didnt just leave it as is

[silent urchin]

afaik that evoker issue also exists on alpha, so..

[dense plover]

a lot of quests have mobs that cant be multi-tagged, or dont respawn fast enough

[dense plover]

thats fucking dumb - its literally a flag you turn on/off

[silent urchin]

Found a fair few broken quests, mostly vehicle ones at high levels where you just explode

[dense plover]

yeah vehicle quests were messy

in order for it to actually succeed, they need to have spent the past month fixing bugs

[silent urchin]

It was particularly weird because your vehicle hp dropped much faster than the damage numbers said

[dense plover]

it has enough content and rewards - it JUST needs fixes

[silent urchin]

maybe it's related to that chauffer mount bug

[tepid fiber]

The way I see it--and I could be wrong--is that at lower scaling it has higher stats to compensate for the lack of stats from other gear and lower exp for clearing lower exp barriers, and at higher scaling lower stats since they're being provided by other gear now and a higher exp bonus to get through higher exp leveling thresholds

[deep pawn]

All I need from timerunning is the leggo cloak effects

[dense plover]

thats just an unlockable reward

no issue there

i need them to fix shit

it was buggy af and partially frustrating at some chokepoints

they GOTTA fix that

also achievements reseting on logout

[dense plover]

doesnt look that way

yeah switching works too

in the ogrimmar embassy

this part isnt right tho XD

new dracthyr can temporarily summon an old world style flying mount b/c they might not have one

found the unlock info as it currently exists

so you have to complete the max level story too

this is for united we stand

i take back what i said about glyphs before - it looks like they ARE keeping them around, theyre just not for points

MAYBE

theres only the one, so this COULD get removed

[silent urchin]

I suspect it will. They're not particularly engaging.

[dense plover]

wonder what these are

well this makes the above more interesting

looks like the radiant echo events have a difficulty setting?

weird

it shares the name with the prepatch event - so it might be similar

[tropic trail]

Wow it’s already available to unlock?

This is all looking so neat I’m excited 😁

[ember blaze]

any hints at those elf trolls being future races?

[little hound]

Besides how they look? No.

[ember blaze]

damn. more excited for those than that dwarf

[silent urchin]

From what I saw the harronir are set up for using all player armour and customisations are named and so on, which they don't tend to do if its npc only

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/status/1788606191905432020 vendor build finally showed up, seems a bit late

Algalon, Enigmatic Observer (@algalon_ghost) on X

New #Warcraft build found:
Vendor 3 (wowv3)🔐: 11.0.0.54483 --> 11.0.0.54607

Found at: 05-09-2024@04:25:20 UTC

Twitter · May 9, 2024, 4:25 PM

[ember blaze]

[silent urchin]

I should note I didn't see it myself but saw people talking about it

they also just have a lot of customisation, I believe

I suspect they might not come at launch though

[rain cave]

it's interesting that they're so silent on them

especially since if they marketed the xpac like "hey earthen AND another race that are way more unique coming later"

implies to me they're trying to keep them under wraps for some reason?

maybe they're part of an important lore reveal

[cosmic beacon]

are the tww tier sets in wowhead wardrobe yet?

[rain cave]

I mean could be interesting if they're not actually related to nelfs at all genealogically but have access to an area with elunes influence? turning them into that nelfy form?

stretch speculation since we've not really got elune speculation going on atm for tww but

kinda funky

[upper pasture]

They probably aren’t trying to over promise and under perform. So instead of announcing two new races coming, announce the one and leave clues for the next but don’t commit until it’s pretty much finished for reveal

[rain cave]

ig if the allied races aren't meant to be neutral they'd have to get both to equal levels before revealing

[upper pasture]

Cause we all know if they said “hey you get this one now and another after launch” people would be kicking and screaming about delayed content

[rain cave]

like if they said "hey harronir are horde" by implication we'd have to assume there was another race coming for ally

e.g. nerubian ascended or something

[upper pasture]

I don’t see them drawing more faction lines as they are erasing the old ones

[rain cave]

so if they ever wanted to reveal one they both need to be at the same stage of development roughly, as well as we need to know about them in a certain way which requires us to experience story

I mean yeah ig

but I still think there are some races who would have faction identity

even if they opened up a system to allow more neutrality

like orcs are probs always gonna start horde, but they could add a system to allow them to 'reform' or something to the other faction

but ogres for example, or mok'nathal probably wouldn't be neutral if added

[ionic terrace]

alpha just went down

[warm topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/hhgf-gif-25031041

[silent urchin]

👀

[tropic trail]

„You cannot speak that language” 😂

[ionic terrace]

yeah it's a earthen bug lol

[cosmic beacon]

dk rework when

[subtle oar]

They aren't. There was a recent interview where they stated they have faction conflict planned for the Worldsoul saga, that they jabe no plans to remove the faction divide or erase the conflict between them. They said that no matter what, the factions always fall out with each other and that will not be changing.

[austere gazelle]

Although they said faction war and faction war expansions are over

[upper pasture]

Didn’t they also say they don’t plan on adding any races that have to “choose sides” and any further races will be able to pick their faction much like pandas and Dracthyr

[austere gazelle]

At this point they should fuse alliance and horde and make a new faction on avaloren xD

[upper pasture]

And be choosing sides I mean that whole race sides with one faction over another

[silent urchin]

they say "No plans" a lot for things they just aren't ready to announce

[dense plover]

Probably physically impossible

Reminder that at its core, WoW is Warcraft 3

It’s old af

[austere gazelle]

True, usually these stuff happens on a 2.0 of mmorpg

[novel zodiac]

meaby after The Last Titan?

in another time line, wow ends after TLT, blizzards takes 6 years and makes WoW 2

the perfect timeline*

[silent urchin]

oooh lots of dk changes

no build yet tho

shadow priest already getting nerfed :(

[novel zodiac]

this is the fourth zone, right?, after this all zones should be available for testing?

[silent urchin]

Yes, and probably

build out

[warm topaz]

big DK rework

[silent urchin]

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/status/1788666246952579487

[dense plover]

NOOOO

THEY REMOVED BONEDUST BREW

I LOVE THAT ABILITY WTF

I want more brews not less

Fuck them trying to make us take the shitty kyrian talent

Fuck

I was so excited by the changes and then they just snuck that in

wtf

[silent urchin]

realms still down

[dense plover]

Wait - healing elixir too?

Is it baseline?

No way they just remove healing elixir - that’s a core part of the strength of the class

[ionic terrace]

they are up now

[dense plover]

Guess I’m waiting for the blue post on the brewmaster forums since there hasn’t been one yet

[ionic terrace]

danb this looks clean

[dense plover]

I swear if they kill my class

Oooo

I like that menu

Shiny

What does the lore preview look like?

Also new map icons plz

[silent urchin]

oh no they've made it bigger

[ionic terrace]

dungeon

delve looks the same

[dense plover]

It was like this last week too

[silent urchin]

was it? huh

[dense plover]

Yeah it’s like the esc menu not scaling right

I assume that’s still enormous?

[ionic terrace]

raid

[dense plover]

Oh visual distinction

[ionic terrace]

her model is in

[dense plover]

Dungeon with three tight spirals, raid with 4 less tight spirals

[dense plover]

Finally - now I can report other bugs

Looks sick af

Plus she gets Magni’s hammer too

[ionic terrace]

i think the reward is new

[dense plover]

Oooo - it is!

[dense plover]

Neat change to encourage people to do something

[novel zodiac]

it really is, i think i dont have every flight path in DF lmao

[dense plover]

Man they really just removed a bunch of ways to increase damage as brewmaster

[silent urchin]

picking up immediately where hallowfall left off

[dense plover]

Good

[warm topaz]

the "rework" is WIP probably

[dense plover]

I fucking hope so but I don’t think so

There’s no comments saying as such

We need a blue post

I’m very upset

It wasn’t in a bad place

[cosmic beacon]

unholy rework

letsfuckingoooo

[warm topaz]

4th week of Alpha, chill man hahahaah

[silent urchin]

new rare? icon

[cosmic beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738792535891378338/1238229461401473134/image.png?ex=663e868c&is=663d350c&hm=0c111962111bcf9b415c90ee656de970857873225ef39113115604729a012fe1&

hopefully this means they fixed all the wonky mounted animations

[boreal pecan]

This horse sounds like it needs a vet

[cosmic beacon]

swinging ur weapon through the horses head, neck and chest looked silly

[boreal pecan]

And now we know why

[dense plover]

Not sure I like this - seems too similar to a world quest

Where are my brewmaster development notes Blizz

You can’t just remove healing brew without notes!

[silent urchin]

roots seem important

we're definitely getting a strong life-magic influence down here as well, so everything but death is definitely involved

Presumably renilash is more than just between light and shadow

she's NOT the leader it seems. Also possibly immortal?

huh

[signal bone]

any screenshots of the new groupfinder ui?

[cosmic beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/challenge-delves-rewards-in-the-war-within-title-void-airship-toy-339908?webhook

neat rewards from the top level delves

[dense plover]

Specifically from the top delve

Zekvir is a special boss fight delve

[silent urchin]

I dunno if I trust this innkeeper

[dense plover]

Why does it say Bind instead of set HS?

[silent urchin]

Presumably a reference to spider webs

the inn is called the trap door

lmao

[upper pasture]

how long until people complain the rewards from the top devles?

[silent urchin]

another harronir. He was initially in bat form

[upper pasture]

personally i'm fine with rewards at the top but i know they stated in the past they didn't want the tip top challenge to have a reward so they could truly make it hard without making the reward "inaccessible" to everyone

[warm topaz]

you mean the mount for the "Mage Tower" delve?

[silent urchin]

Presumably it'll get pretty easy with gear/grinding

[warm topaz]

i don't know, i don't see why is bad to have cool rewards in hard content

[silent urchin]

Ah he's in bat form before you approach

goblins are here with the niffen, which seems like a terrifying combination

[upper pasture]

Simply because there has to be a balance between it being easy enough for everyone to be able to get it and it being a challenge and it being difficult to complete. They’ve always leaned on the easier side and said that the 13th devles or whatever has no reward other than completing it since it’s supposed to be hard

[silent urchin]

Ah, actual rare (not just vista) icon:

[upper pasture]

Personally, I do content that gives me rewards so if the 13th didn’t reward anything I’d probably skip it.

[ionic terrace]

nwe buff on brann

[warm topaz]

13th delve is the same idea as Mage Tower and MT has rewards

i think is fair to not give gear

[ionic terrace]

gets a healing one when healer

he's also now level 20 for me lol

[dreamy dove]

How are the chances we get them as allied race?🤩

[silent urchin]

found a lore icon that's a missive from anub'arak

[ionic terrace]

anoob

[silent urchin]

I assume this is some zone specific icon

at the niffen town

Little goblin fight arena thing by it or something

[boreal pecan]

I would kill for this creature.

[silent urchin]

good news, there was a battle pet version in a treasure already,

hold up, there are dalaran refugees down here?

[boreal pecan]

[silent urchin]

what is jeb doing here?!

[ionic terrace]

damn this delve gave brann 1k exp

[silent urchin]

Ah they got captured during the attack I guess

Flynn?!

[boreal pecan]

I swear if they do anything to Flynn

[dense plover]

Flynn was mentioned in some earlier stuff

Seems to be our alliance rep who isn’t a royal

Or a dwarf

[silent urchin]

Dunno if its just shadowpriest needing a bunch of ramp or something, but despite this weeks templates being 515 ilvl I feel like questing is not particularly smooth

not exactly hard but I definitely have to watch what I pull

they poisoned flynn (he's drunk)

[tulip sun]

Seeing another Alliance character come into the story has me a bit...disheartened by the lack of any notable Horde in the actual leveling campaign

[silent urchin]

There's plenty of horde characters, like..

oh no

(he's just faking)

shredders dead tho :(

[boreal pecan]

Only good gobbo is a dead one 🤭

In all seriousness it does seem very alliance heavy

[silent urchin]

I assume Thrall will show up at some point and assume the role of main character

[boreal pecan]

So long as he doesn't lose his path again.... if I never have to do that quest again it'll be too soon

[silent urchin]

Also the suramar-like speculation is completely accurate. I've now been marked by "Pheramones" which makes most nerubians think I'm a drone. Except for a few that detect you

[boreal pecan]

AN ILLUSION

[tulip sun]

Thanks for sharing, while it may be the very last zone I really appreciate seeing there's some sort of horde presence

If you see any others lmk

[austere gazelle]

It's the roots of Elun'ahir. In the tale it's said that guardian would one day appears to protect the roots. Given its 'close' proximity to Un'goro crater, it fits everything we knows so far

[subtle oar]

They walked this back in said recent interview.

[silent urchin]

Certainly seems to make sense, which I guess would make the harronir a separate titan/freya construct

They have an oath that seems to prevent them harming any life, at least non-cosmic-forces aligned stuff

[boreal pecan]

New druid race hype

[ionic terrace]

[boreal pecan]

Oh my

[ionic terrace]

oh hey

[silent urchin]

oh no, look whos back

[ionic terrace]

[silent urchin]

giving exposure therapy to a spider with humanoidphobia

there are so many vendors here that are great

so far most just sell pineapple pizza but that's obviously a placeholder

oh hey we're gonna go deeper, by the sounds of it

[obtuse vine]

I think this is about the tunnels to azjol’nerub

[silent urchin]

Well, that was the end of the zone quests.. only barely met the harronir and didn't really resolve anything here

continues at max level but can't do that yet

[ionic terrace]

underkeep delve not able to be tested btw

[silent urchin]

Having a ranch/farm for beetles is not what I expected in azj kahet

[ionic terrace]

nor is the other one down here lol

huh for some reason dornogal didn't port me

Merrix got voicelines

nvm now it did

it let me turn in the quest then ported me LMAO

[silent urchin]

I only got alpha second week so don't even have the flight path there :(

[ionic terrace]

😦

[silent urchin]

Oh I found zevkir's lair but the portal to it isn't even clickable

Zone seems alright, just.. most of the story here is max level so can't make too much of a conclusion yet

[ionic terrace]

wow they disabled all the delves

uhm

[tulip sun]

Oh that didn't seem like much

[ionic terrace]

@silent urchin is your chracter stuck

[silent urchin]

Yes

[ionic terrace]

i see, guess it's a bug

[silent urchin]

Were you also in that dungeon?

[ionic terrace]

no

[silent urchin]

Oh is it everyone on alpha?

[ionic terrace]

i set my hearth to the dalaran camp and hearthed back which crashed

and now my hunter is fucked lol

seems logging out after finishing the zone campagin triggers it

while in the zone

[silent urchin]

wait

addons are enabled?

[ionic terrace]

no?

i don't think so

[silent urchin]

wowhead looter loaded for me, it wasn't up before though..

[ionic terrace]

oh same now

oof

it was showing you in Unknown on who

[silent urchin]

I was in city of threads but got DCd :(

[glass flicker]

Finally, Glyph of Jab is coming back. I only had to beg for, what, eight years?

[ionic terrace]

yeah so seems like the campaign being done is what triggers the bug

logged in and out without issue on antoher

[silent urchin]

getting faster at setting up characters at least