beta-ptr-spoilers

[warm topaz]

thanks god

[ionic terrace]

At least I didn’t

[silent urchin]

Nope. Just the waterworks and the den one that isn't even active

[ionic terrace]

I got brann to 11 and stopped lol

I honestly don’t think anything other then his specs are in

Even though they showed some of his other power things, likely from a newer build

[silent urchin]

it's funny how speccing him healer just makes it harder

maybe cause the abilities aren't in but it felt like having a healer spec makes the damage much higher and his healing is useless

[upper pasture]

what's wrong with how WQs work now?

[warm topaz]

i miss the BFA/Legion ones where you could go, kill a guy and leave

i miss simple WQs in general tbh

[upper pasture]

i mean we have those in DF

[austere gazelle]

mm not quite

[upper pasture]

wdym i'm literally doing one right now

[silent urchin]

https://twitter.com/ChristieGolden/status/1785022563833483623

Christie Golden (@ChristieGolden) on X

Twitter · Apr 29, 2024, 7:05 PM

[dense plover]

That article mentioned ocean changes

I can’t wait to see what that looks like

Golden was fired? How did I miss that? Why?

I liked her additions to the story

[silent urchin]

She only confirmed it 25 minutes ago is why

[dense plover]

Oh damn

That sucks

[silent urchin]

there's a hell of a lot of talent on the story team still anyway

they've had so many quest/story designers rise up through the ranks

[dense plover]

I wonder if it’s because Metzen is moving the story in a different direction or if they just didn’t need her

[silent urchin]

And who knows, maybe she'll still be writing books as a contractor

she did that for some time before being a full time employee

[rain cave]

this makes sense, especially with the larger archs they're planning to do

if they don't have to condense a single story into 1 xpac as much they can have time for the more personal moments

DF has a lot of em

and story being in books was critiqued historically

they should still do some books, but imo not as things that directly relate to the current thing going on in a massive way

[silent urchin]

Scaleborn book was pretty interesting but also almost entirely disconnected from current plot

Still one bit of it that seems important that hasn't come up in game yet tho

[rain cave]

the brother thing?

[silent urchin]

Nah, right at the end, ||When neltharion uses void powers to imprison Iridikron it mentions it strips out the earth essence from iridikron and replaces it with void||

[rain cave]

huh

[silent urchin]

Actually just checked, maybe I was reading too much into that

[zealous sedge]

The arathi plate sets look so freaking dope

I think I’m gonna have to main warrior for TWW

[crystal pond]

The scaleborn book and the current game plot was written by different team and it shows
Scaleborn book start being written before the game plot has been changed in df

And the game makes more and more less sense and conflicts it self on lore then books does

[uncut vault]

It’s nothing to do with her

She was just caught up in the general layoffs back in January

Microsoft downsizing hit a lot of story teams at blizzard, SFD is the general writing department for all games

[silent urchin]

I imagine cancelling the survival game left a lot of excess in that department

[uncut vault]

I don’t think they were anywhere near that far in the survival game, SFD does stuff like cinematics and tie-in media

Nobody on the team works on any one given game, golden did stuff for WoW, hearthstone, and Overwatch

[silent urchin]

Not any of the world building stuff?

General background lore?

[uncut vault]

Nah that’d be game-specific narrative designers

[silent urchin]

huh, ok

[uncut vault]

Like the ones laid off for Overwatch

[crystal pond]

There was general cleaning in all big companies not only blizzard/Microsoft this winter

So its nothing to do with game projects

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/soullscape/status/1785007675329098117?t=yDPbkQoZDBIlxowq81-U8Q&s=33

Soul (@soullscape) on X

I think everyone is missing the big picture with World of Warcraft, What ever happened to our Demon Hunter Motorcycles?

Twitter · Apr 29, 2024, 6:06 PM

so true, what happened to those

[novel zodiac]

they're waiting for the subs to go down to push one as the bonus reward from the trader's post

[silent urchin]

woo northrend cup is up (EU)

pennant is a back piece

[dense plover]

They’ve barely been in the game yet

Asking what happened when they were added in 10.2.6 is fucking wild

It might be months before they show up in the trading post

[silent urchin]

they were in the 10.2 data, not 10.2.6

https://www.wowhead.com/news/first-look-at-10-2-mount-models-felreaver-motorcycle-sabretooth-raptor-334912

[dense plover]

Still - it hasn’t been that long

The flower items we are getting next month I think are just as old

[warm topaz]

those are from 10.2.5

[silent urchin]

woo, northrend completionist gold

some annoyances in the races, I don't think these ever got tested cause they were part of 10.2.6

quest this time gives 80 badges alone

[upper pasture]

Can’t wait for NA to become the 30th lol

[zealous sedge]

I wonder how much stuff blizz has in the vault just for this very purpose. It’s gotta be terabytes of cosmetics and collectibles.

[ancient jasper]

I will buy that motorcycle SO friggin' fast if they put it on the Trading Post holy shit lol

[ionic terrace]

ah, the portal needs level 70... not that i could turn it in anyway with the city teleporting you out lol

[dense plover]

what does the outfit look like?

[ionic terrace]

idk

i don't actually have it

[dense plover]

does ctrl click not work?

[ionic terrace]

nope

it's a spell, not a outfit

i would turn it in if i could, but i can't lol

like, even if i got to 70 and was able to portal

not enough time before ported out

[ionic terrace]

there ya go

[pulsar minnow]

looks like they ended up changing it up a little from concept to implementation, like with the shoulders and helm

[dense plover]

that looks awesome

[deep pawn]

I don't know why the earthen don't excite me. I have 4 max level dwarves

I should be the target demo and I'm just meh

[dense plover]

im excited

i can finally play a dwarf on the horde 😛

also they look cool

[pulsar minnow]

I rlly hope we get Harronir and the Arathi Half Elves as playable races in tww

Harronir seem almost like a guarantee atp

[deep pawn]

Half elves are just a customization coming for both elves and humans

[pulsar minnow]

sure, but man I wish it was a full blown allied race

[deep pawn]

I'd rather see the base races get more customization

[pulsar minnow]

not saying i wouldnt either tbh

but the arathi of hallowfall are very unique as a concept

probably everyones most anticipated zone tbh

[dense plover]

not really as far as races go

its just humans

theyre just gonna expand customizations

[pulsar minnow]

sure but their style lends itself to potentially cool hairstyles and whatnot

they're half elves who live underground, fight onslaughts of nerubians wielding holy flame and ride around in airships in a waterlogged underground cavern illuminated by a giant light crystal

so, i'd personally really like a bunch of new human customization beyond just the ears but also like facial customization to really sell the half-elf vibe like Faerin does

[novel zodiac]

i just hope they dont wait for customizations "to make sense" and we get a bunch more even if they're not related to the current expansion

if the alliance got Man'ari the Horde should get fel orcs

[deep pawn]

eh? Is it confirmed they're all half elves?

wow, Faerin is our first character since Zul'jin to be missing an arm eh?

[dense plover]

no

[uncut vault]

So far every single NPC we've seen has had them though, so its fairly likely haha

after 3000 years they're probably less half-elf and more their own subspecies after generations of trait mingling

[silent urchin]

oh there was a 10.2.7 build last night. It's now a release candidate

Probably not many other changes

[rain cave]

Quarter elf twice removed

[rain cave]

Tali mentioned how even though they must be from around then originally that it was said they arrived recently

There could be a thing of them being is stasis or something for a large amount of time

Or maybe they were lost in the storms idk

[silent urchin]

it was "relatively" recently. Compared to say, the nerubians

[little hound]

I just checked most of the arathi NPCs, most of them seem to have half elven ears.

There are also elves in Hollowfall or..Hallowfall? Whatever.

Great Kyron is his name

Oo, we got datamined Flynn for 11.0. Where is his coat :C

[harsh mason]

So, Iridikron is in 11.0 https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=193319/iridikron

[tulip sun]

AndKyron has missing ears- so perhaps they are making him part human

[little hound]

Probably just making appearance as Xal'atath's pet from time to time.

Would be awesome if he used earth magic to pull down Dalaran though, empowered by Xal.

[crystal pond]

Sus

But probably a placeholder for future patches

Df also had those files of future patches

[harsh mason]

I mean, his model is in TWW

[crystal pond]

Cause his model is already done?

We had models on df beta but didn't have those characters at launch

Or maybe he will be in pre-patch idk

[dense plover]

my guess is he is going to show up later in the expac

but will be the focus of 12.X

he is not our boss this expac

[crystal pond]

Yeah true

I wonder if they will make him a boss or he will ally with us without a fight

Hmm

I mean boss in general, in next expacs

[harsh mason]

I never said he was going to be the boss

I personally believe that Blizzard does not make raid bosses the way players think. An important antagonist does not mean that he will be a raid boss.

Moreover, he was already the boss not so long ago lol

[dense plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=211868/credit-doomhammer-destroyed-hufton just found an interesting npc

[severe oxide]

Display error, possibly. The coats are a bit wonky in previews

[dense plover]

so uh - i think the doomhammer is getting destroyed?

[glass flicker]

Finally, doing something with the artifact weapons.

I was hoping they'd do something with the frost DK artifact in Shadowlands but noo.

Alexandros won't even recognize the Ashbringer in your possession.

[severe oxide]

I wonder what the point of that would be. It's not imbued with any particular power, is it? Haven't played the Shaman campaign in Legion but I was under the impression that it's just a regular hammer whose significance is only in that it was passed down by important lore characters, and of course its symbolic importance to the orcs

[glass flicker]

I believe it would be something symbolic. The Doomhammer is supposed to bring either glory or destruction to the Horde. So why not end that legacy, once and for all?

Take it to the heart of the volcano where it was forged and put it to rest.

[severe oxide]

Oh I suppose! Plus, it's always a good idea to take things away from Thrall. His powers, connection to the elements, sense of purpose, the hammer that's so important to him...

Just really make him have a rough time. Always good for the story

[glass flicker]

Indeed! Make him suffer a worse fate than Maw dailies.

Why not give him Anduin's PTSD while we're at it?

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Doomhammer

Gelnar should have also showed up in Shadylands.

[dense plover]

havent seen this model in any of the npc previews

it looks crazy

called 'Failed Evolution'

[signal bone]

so hollowfall this week right?

[dense plover]

yes

[signal bone]

sick

[severe oxide]

I, for one, welcome our Scorpion Hulk overlord

[harsh mason]

The first boss in the new raid has such a model, but in a different color

He has a cool animation of a circular tail kick

[tulip sun]

Possibly could be part of Thralls storyline this expansion

[pulsar minnow]

its the nerubian brutes. theres a ton of them with a bunch of different variations of claws, tails, armor, headshapes. they're so sick

super weird that they're destroying doomhammer though this expansion. Thrall doesn't even wield it anymore, he wields Dra'gora, his axe

[rain cave]

kinda interesting how a "failed evolution" is something that takes inspiration from other types of arthropods

nerubians love their spider and scarab designs

but shun scorpion and hercules beetle designs?

probably just an artist doing some cool concept inspiration, but they could really run with that worldbuilding wise

[harsh mason]

Here are talking about the fact that these monsters are an unfortunate result of evolution due to Xal alchemy

She literally creates a new kind of them, we have known this for a long time. These are just an unfortunate result. For example, one of the raid bosses is literally a Nerubian-container that fills eggs with Xal alchemy (as a result of which Nerubians are already born a new species).

[rain cave]

yeah I know

that is what I am referring to

the fact that they consider something that takes inspirations from other kinds of animals within the same genus they take inspiration from a failure is very cool design idea

if spiders and scarabs are "proper" nerubian beauty standards, it's cool that out of all the mutations this alchemy is causing they're calling the ones that are scorpion and hercules beetle inspired the "evolutionary failures"

wouldn't surprise me if that rebel faction we're helping are turning against their queen BECAUSE of this tbf

they don't like how they're being changed, even the humanoid evolutions probably look strange to them

and it's one hell of an extrapolation, but that could also be an interesting setup for us getting them as an allied race. Since if their own kind don't accept them properly, the remaining evolved nerubians might need someone to stay with after we deal with the queen

there is also the potential thing that the void and xal aren't even working with the queen properly, since one of the bosses has a lot of "I kill queens" vibes going on

so the evolved's loyalty wouldn't be to the void maybe

[harsh mason]

There's a cool model of the new Nerubian, also a raid boss. And he has a completely unique skeleton

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=224552/rashanan

He's just an example of what you're writing about.

[subtle oar]

Yikes

[jade basalt]

A similar, red/white version of that is a boss in the Nerub'ar Palace raid

[jade basalt]

I think that boss may attach itself to a cliff or something, based on its anims. And it's probably bigger than it looks.

[dense plover]

similar but not the same

they look crazy tho

[harsh mason]

Nerubians in TWW look very cool and diverse. I hope they will be involved in the story throughout the expansion

And not only within the framework of the first plot "act"

[novel zodiac]

so, i have a question about TWW

are community events coming back?

did they said something about them?

[pulsar minnow]

Believe so

Probably won’t work exactly the same

But I’m like 99% sure they said they were at blizzcon

[dense plover]

its very likely they will

theres friendly ones

and if the city of threads is anything like suramar, it will be a central locale the entire expac

[dense plover]

yes

they are

each zone has at least one

we just dont know what they are yet

machine of awakening is likely the one for the ringing deeps

[novel zodiac]

nice, i really liked them in DF

[silent urchin]

nah, awakening the machine seems to be an instanced thing

you can do it already but it's scaled to level 80 and without any of the renown bonuses it's pretty hard in general

[dense plover]

it is?

[silent urchin]

Yup, there's a guy in gundargaz you can talk to, near the main steps

[dense plover]

huh

so we cant really test it

[silent urchin]

wait why is my character locked now

bah

[dense plover]

is everyone else's resolution not saving?

[silent urchin]

it always starts in windowed mode right now, yeah

[dense plover]

this is interesting

the shadowvein extraction site might be the event?

it having its own chat would make some sense

idk why else it would

[upper pasture]

delve? maybe?

[silent urchin]

There's a couple of spots that do that

I think one might be a war mode WQ spot

[dense plover]

no

we know of all of the delve names

these rewards are an interesting evolution of renown

theyre never on their own

theyre an additional reward

i guess to make the reward slightly thematic?

i do like the integration of crests into the renown rewards tho

it goes all the way up to the highest tier

so pve people can still empower some items

and it looks like these are the 4 launch renown

severed threads really confirms working with the not-void nerubians

[upper pasture]

wasn't it already confirmed at blizzcon we would be working with the "good" nerubians that are against the queen and her plans

[zealous sedge]

I think they might have mentioned it

Hoping this means some cool mounts from them through renown

[dense plover]

it wasnt clear to what level

or that it was an entire rep

it seems similar to suramar tho

big city, small group of rebels

tbh im fine with that

[warm topaz]

what lenguage they speak? nerubian?

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

we dont know

zone is inaccessible

[warm topaz]

I mean I guess they speak nerubian lol

wonder how are we going to speak with them

[dense plover]

10.2.7 is out on livetest - theyre testing deploy for next week

2 weeks until pandamonium

[sonic flame]

no stat squish planned for tww?

we back to legion numbers?

[silent urchin]

for midnight, most likely

it'll end up a fair bit higher than legion

dungeons currently scale you up to roughly green level 80 gear. Tanks have almost 7m hp and regular dps over 3m

I have a feeling they may have decided no stat squish before they decided 39 ilvls per tier

Although there's less of a jump between expansions, top end S4 gear may even last until max level (although replaced by heroic dungeons)

[sonic flame]

7m tank hp is same of legion

they'll def squish after tww, they can't inflate over that

[cosmic beacon]

they already said they would

[silent urchin]

Yeah but like 150-200 ilvls into TWW tanks will have 30m hp or more

[sonic flame]

crazy

[cosmic beacon]

Gonna be fun

[deep pawn]

I truly hope 11.0 goes better than the cata prepatch

[zealous sedge]

I’m sure it will

Classic team way smaller

The only thing I could see being an issue is Warband integration. Millions of players with millions of characters merging might take a toll on the server infrastructure.

[deep pawn]

They should live stream the servers during the prepatch maintenance.

[novel zodiac]

i feel like every team is working in 11.0 and 12.0 at this point

if not then idk how its taking them 12+ hours to fix the legendaries bug

[deep pawn]

Might be harder than changing a flag in a database

[upper pasture]

prolly has something to do with them needing the scale to upgrade to this season to be upgradable and having multiple of the same item with different upgrade tracks is likely harder than flipping a switch and letting it be upgradable

cause if it's just flagging it for upgrading it will prolly mess with un-upgraded ones too.

[deep pawn]

It has an upgrade track, it's just not working for some reason

[upper pasture]

Yes, I’m aware

But as it stands the game isn’t recognizing that it has it and can’t be upgraded.

And since it wasn’t hotfixed immediately it’s likely a more complex problem than “just flagging it for an upgrade path”

[zealous sedge]

Is it worth using catalyst charges right now for tier pieces? Or hold off until I get hero track gear and above?

[deep pawn]

You get a charge per week

[austere gazelle]

can't find a blue post about legendary weapon being bugged out of upgrade

[cosmic beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-aware-of-dragonflight-legendary-upgrade-bug-priority-issue-but-will-339106

This?

[silent urchin]

wowhead bluetracker doesn't include the support forums, because they tend to get a lot of posts about "hey can you upload a crash report" or whatever

or actually, that one is included

[austere gazelle]

thank you @cosmic beacon

[uncut vault]

Might be more like suramar than you think even

There are datamined reputations for the individual characters of the severed threads

[dense plover]

i saw

[uncut vault]

So there might be a ‘rep’ system like ancient mana

[dense plover]

thats why i suggested suramar

im all for another suramar

it made legion SO much better

[uncut vault]

I hope it is, the lack of a dedicated endgame zone since legion has been such a baffling choice

[tropic trail]

Basically Suramar for new capital city 🏙️

[upper pasture]

a point was brought up about remix that i didn't check and didn't think about checking while it was up but could we cross faction group for it? my guild is planning on doing the raids and i'm the odd man out faction wise and i'd like to make sure that doesn't happen for remix lol

[zealous sedge]

Oh that’s a good question. One would hope so

On another note the preach for cata classic is in shambles apparently. Feel bad for those players. I didn’t realize they were selling game bundles for 30 or 80 dollars too which people bought.

Thinking maybe Blizz has stretched themselves a little too thin?

[silent urchin]

the bundles are all for cosmetic stuff

which afaik is alrgely working

the bugs will probably be fixed fast enough

[upper pasture]

I will say this is the first time it seems in DF that blizzard is “slipping” so to say. A lot of bugs and fixes being done or needing to be done but as a season that recycles a lot of stuff I’d expect as much

The leggo bug, not being able to socket priceless items, the crest stuff that was happening. Wrong items from the caches. This fated/awakened season seems rough so far.

[warm topaz]

and Cata prepatch too

wonder what is happening there

[upper pasture]

It’s likely just low staff cause everyone else is on 11.0 and beyond

[warm topaz]

im scare of timerunning now

Plunderstorm came out with no bugs tho

its weird

[upper pasture]

I mean, there didn’t seem to be any issues there during the ptr weekend. Except for the exp scaling at 60

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1785731038364250197

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

Who is The Harbinger?

The prologue to the Worldsoul Saga arrives on May 7 with Dark Heart.

Twitter · May 1, 2024, 6:00 PM

speaking of that

[zealous sedge]

I think time running should be fine. It’s a whole separate “experimental” team that did plunderstorm. I don’t think any of those devs will be moved to 11.0 and beyond unless it’s an emergency.

[deep pawn]

oh shoot

[rain cave]

god kadghar is practically dead already 💀

[deep pawn]

I'm mid raid but I wanna watch

[rain cave]

"Hey Alleria my old friend, we're such good friends! what a good friend you are. Anyway, could you find me the dark heart that xalatath has just before dalaran gets blown out of the sky and you get a blood vendetta against xalatath for some unknown reason?"

dalaran funeral directors already making bros grave

[zealous sedge]

Did they update Khadgar’s face model? He def looks older

[tropic trail]

Yea kinda more texture lol 😆

If older I dunno

[pulsar minnow]

writing has already improved tenfold with just that cinematic alone

I love how they're writing alleria.

[warm topaz]

i thought the exact same thing haha

[deep pawn]

they let some mouth noises in that they used to never do before

[livid walrus]

this is the second time there is a cinematic of his in this room. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L12G5TAuisM was the first ime

[rain cave]

I mean some of the delivery/lines seemed a bit awkward but the nice thing here is that it's actually just more of a realistic conversation with lines that actually mean something lmao

I do think alleria's modulated voice was a bit jarring also

didn't expect her to have that all the time, just in her void mode

[dense plover]

even newer 11.x build on vendor 3

prep for tomorrow

[rain cave]

been seeing people rag on how dadgar looks in the cinematic by cherry picking frames lmao, but even then he's gotten significantly older since he last had a model update

we were using his model since WoD right? and it's been more than several years since then

would not surprise me if he's just getting gaunter because old man

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/KirbyAu/status/1785765275427807669

Orlando Salvatore (@KirbyAu) on X

Our QA is some of the best in the industry. Very thankful for all of them. QA leadership is superb as well

Twitter · May 1, 2024, 8:16 PM

[deep pawn]

It's easy to say that but when people see cata prepatch, the ptr leggo issues, upgrade issues in general, they start to ask, "Do they test basic patch features?"

Like Blizzard CHOSE to do no PTR for this patch and season

so it was on them to find this all

[warm topaz]

there was PTR for S4

[deep pawn]

but they made it hard to test stuff like the awakened vendor and upgrades and stuff

Apparently the Legendary issues WAS reported even

[pulsar minnow]

I’d take it any day over all the characters sitting there talking about something very vaguely and explaining to you the point of the cutscene

Now it’s just “we gotta do this” “bet” “here’s some nice character interaction too”

[rain cave]

yeah at least they're not finishing each others

[pulsar minnow]

“It’s all about family!”

[austere gazelle]

It's not a Q&A failure, it's a dev cycle failure imo.

Release date of the patch is set, like in two weeks , they have a lots of issue to resolve so some of them are put in the backlog because they do not threaten the release of the patch, so they are dealt after.

Issue is setting a date for a patch while having tons of issue reported from the PTR, and accepting that some of them will be corrected after. Its a common way of work in software area, but for a MMO it makes a lots of misunderstanding on customer side, so this kind of SCRUM management is maybe not really the best way to handle this kind of stuff

[deep pawn]

at least give known issues posts like they did with cata prepatch rather than wait for players to discover

[austere gazelle]

I'm pretty sure they have a lots of Q&A report and they sorted them out by criticity , and the leg upgrade was not one of them

[austere gazelle]

yeah. there is a communication issue behind too

They should do a post about "known issues " after PTR saying that they are aware of it and they will correct them in the near future

but sometime they can't tell specific issue that can lead to bad behavior. There is an exploit ongoing with S2 tier set you can upgrade up to ilvl 490+ too and I'm sure they will correct it ASAP

[deep pawn]

Last week it was s3 tier bonuses haha

[warm topaz]

Hallowfall today

https://tenor.com/view/hhgf-gif-25031041

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1785776268203446543

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

Delves are a new endgame progression pillar coming to WoW in The War Within!

Play solo or with friends, get weekly vault rewards, and earn a customizable mount.

Twitter · May 1, 2024, 9:00 PM

i feel like the music in this video could be the main theme of TWW

it was in the WoWCast too

[silent urchin]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24090236/confront-xalatath-when-dark-heart-arrives-on-8-may

nothing new, just a preview of things we've already seen, I think

they did somehow get the remix release date wrong in it

at least in the EU post

[warm topaz]

Alpha is down

[silent urchin]

ooh

[naive galleon]

Praying to the data mining gods for some juicy new models and the remaining tier sets 😭

[rose escarp]

Gief remaining Hero Talents 😭

[zealous sedge]

Praying to the pantheon I am in the alpha invite wave today

[blazing granite]

Quite excited for Hallowfall

[zealous sedge]

Hallow fall is the one with the crystal right?

[silent urchin]

yes

[thin warren]

may the Light be with you all

[warm topaz]

MrGM managed to get to the zone and see the crystal cicle today

it was amazing

[jade basalt]

You could always enter the Hallowfall Gate from Ringing Deeps

[warm topaz]

yeah

but it is something that happened in DF Alpha too

o could go to Valdrakken and you could stay there

with flight points

same with this zone

[jade basalt]

Ah yeah using the flight master you could also go back to Dornogal

And just stay there

Wouldn't port you back to Stormwind unless you tried to leave or grab quests

[dense plover]

Can’t stay

It ports you back for sure

Same with hallowfall - you can get close enough to see the circle then get kicked out

[jade basalt]

No no

I was able to take a flight path from Ringing Deeps to Dornogal

And I could just stay there, no "this is a dangerous area", didn't port me back https://i.imgur.com/KNKwmh3.png

[silent urchin]

Yeah, a little bit of the city was safe, but if you moved around too much there were teleport zones

[jade basalt]

It teleported me back when I tried to leave Dornogal to the rest of the Isle yeah

[dense plover]

Weird

If I do that I immediately get a warning and teleported out

Even if i don’t move

[deep pawn]

did the alpha come back up without a new build?

[jade basalt]

Servers still offline

[deep pawn]

okay

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-war-within-alpha-development-notes/1833243/5

[silent urchin]

neat

build soon hopefully

Class set tokens from legacy raids (Shadowlands and earlier) are now Warbound and can be transferred to characters on the account. oooh

looks like most (all?) the hero talents are in now

[dense plover]

Class tokens stuff rocks

[ionic terrace]

https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/1786148919074046015

Zorbrix 💙 (@Zorbrix) on X

Actually sorry for the false start, I need to re-push this client build to CDNs.

Alpha build is up but it'll be ~70 minutes before you can get it from the BNET app. My bad!

Twitter · May 2, 2024, 9:41 PM

[silent urchin]

oof

[deep pawn]

how the hell has Arcane had 3 reworks in as many expansions yet Shaman can't get even their hero talents yet

[candid ruin]

someone go live when the alpha goes up please

[dense plover]

I hope there is monk changes that aren’t in the log

Brewmaster tree isn’t updated at all

So for example clash is in the tree twice

Also, master of harmony visual effect is fucking ugly and annoying

I want it toned down or changed so badly

[jade basalt]

https://fxtwitter.com/warcraft_wiki/status/1786139235143336022

[ionic terrace]

that's some good art

[silent urchin]

been 70 minutes, build should be any time now I guess

[clear apex]

Does token mean just the coin looking thing you get that's says "hunter, shaman demon hunter" or is that "death knight" at the bottom of the item for class set?

I'm a little confused

I know legion raids seem to only give out very specific class set and not a token

[rain cave]

Because mages are cool 😎

And also probably because blizzard don't know what to do with shamans because they cover so much space fantasy wise whilst also being a quite specific

They should just bite the bullet and make 2h enhance a thing I stg

Can literally do it like frost dk

Then they could do funny hero talents for enh/resto around 2h fantasy (but not as a requirement)

I feel they've definitely got struggles with the shammy hero talents, I think they could have been more creative

We just had a primalist faction, what about primal shaman? Randomly summoning or transforming into different elements to empower those spells or something

[cosmic beacon]

gotta wait for dk rework

[rain cave]

Or a full icy shaman, flesh out their frost spells

[jade basalt]

https://i.imgur.com/PdMMTe4.png

[rain cave]

Could even do an azerite shaman

Use the old essences vfx

[silent urchin]

Wish I knew why initializing was sometimes really goddamn slow

[jade basalt]

Yeah same here

[silent urchin]

Download is pretty damn slow too :(

[jade basalt]

Finished for me

But it was longer than usual

RIP https://i.imgur.com/2Ow2DPH.png

[silent urchin]

up now

[jade basalt]

Nevermind they're up

ya

[silent urchin]

oh they fixed the windowed bug

now to set up new character

[cosmic beacon]

evoker mog now has good helmet

actually goated set

[silent urchin]

damn just the first archon talent is great

[cosmic beacon]

very fitting first talent

its like a mini boon from sl

[dense plover]

The new Evoker set rocks

[silent urchin]

archon overall seems pretty great

cast halo, it now casts 3 times, each time also hits twice, it does a bunch more damage, and buffs your damage and gives procs and stuff

also this, amazing

[dense plover]

lol, it doesnt have art

but i like the intro

[silent urchin]

ooh there's a bonus delve up

[dense plover]

oh neat

maybe itll be more functional than last build XD

can you copy builds across characters?

[ionic terrace]

uh oh

[dense plover]

whats broken this week?

oh earthen are gone

[ionic terrace]

not broken, just more story spoilers

[zealous sedge]

I feel like from a fantasy perspective shaman needs to break up its specs with a specific element and start basic - earth/wind/fire/water avatar style. Then with hero talents you can mix and match to create more complex “elements” that we see in game - Lava/ lightning/ sand/ etc. idk, I love the shaman as a concept so much but the class fantasy isn’t there for me right now.

[dense plover]

that all adds up

also no need to spoiler tag

its the spoiker channel

harbinger crests have icons now

[pulsar minnow]

Xal’atath actually being a mastermind and one step ahead of us 🤯. Shit where the hell was this in Shadowlands

Love the idea Xal has been around us the whole time, and could be really anyone

[dense plover]

this is new

its a little house icon

delve adventurers guide being worked on

WQs are up too

[ionic terrace]

i KNEW HE WAS A WORLD BOSS

[silent urchin]

hallowfall is very pretty

maybe too pretty

no zone after this can live up to it

previews did not get the scale across

[pulsar minnow]

Can’t wait to see screenshots of the zone

[dense plover]

well considering the ocean has to go far enough that you cant reach an edge?

yeah its gonna be big

dynamic flying/dragon riding menu is getting new ability names

[ionic terrace]

no longer ph

[zealous sedge]

Who is archmage Drenden?

[dense plover]

theres no currency tab.....

[dense plover]

we are gonna meet them in 10.2.7

guaranteed

nice info blizz 👍

[tulip sun]

He was on the council in like WC3 and left

(Or died?)

[dense plover]

you can ride the airship!

they removed the dragonriding ability that gives you a vigor on button press

[silent urchin]

sadly the MSQ seems to break as soon as you get to the airship

[dense plover]

this zone is CRAZY gorgeous

[dense plover]

if the MSQ is broken, we will probably see a hotfix

thats usually the only type we get

this zone is so fucking big

sinkhole delve isnt available to test

tiny airship

might work similar to the ferrys in bfa

[silent urchin]

huh

ok there's both fatigue and an invisible wall, can't actually go to the crystal

and I'm not evens ure its 3d here

[ionic terrace]

hello world boss

[dense plover]

skittering breach also doesnt work

[dense plover]

it is

theres a model

[ionic terrace]

none of them do

none of the delves work

[zealous sedge]

So Khaz Algar is a titan installation. The whole continent? Any idea as what its purpose is?

[silent urchin]

I know there's a model for it, but I think it's that 2d stuff that torghast had in the maw

ah no it is 3d, it's just the skybox around it that seems weird

[dense plover]

the building insides are gorgeous

tiny airship in a bottle

so many new doodads just for this zone

[zealous sedge]

Bro that’s so cool

Blizzards art team going crazy

[silent urchin]

aww

[ionic terrace]

flight master mount

[zealous sedge]

Sick

Man I’m going home now I really hope I have alpha access. 🤞

[dense plover]

yep

i just saw it

theyre the flightmaster mount

very interesting - these dawntowers are fueled by some kind of holy oil?

[silent urchin]

so apparently there's kul tiran models with the pointy ears too?

all the arathi seem to be half elves or more

baring the one guy who seems to be full elf (I guess he was busy)

actually I guess Kyron has pretty short ears despite elf base model

[tulip sun]

I think they're all part elf, even that guy

They're just using the thalassian, kul tiran and human models to represent them

[zealous sedge]

I’m not hating on blizz with this statement here but you can really see where the majority of the resources are going right now. They are going all in on TWW and beyond. Which I’m not mad about. (Sorry Cata classic players)

[dense plover]

woah the lighting in this zone

[dense plover]

i suspect there used to be more

but remember, the arathi had a deal with the elves

these people left THAT long ago

[deep pawn]

Feels weird the elves didn't know about them

[jade basalt]

Looks like they have only 1 mage left in all of Hallowfall https://i.imgur.com/mkHxBDn.png

[silent urchin]

Kobyss guy using a (dead?) arathi fisherman like an angler fish

some of them definitely have undead arathi with them

this one seems to disappear

I am providing therapy for an orphan

definitely got the spirit

[zealous sedge]

Haha I hope that’s not a bug

[pulsar minnow]

So what’s the crash they’re talking about here

Is it the airship that introduces you to the zone? Or is it some other thing

[silent urchin]

dunno, msq is buggy. I think it's probably historical tho

[pulsar minnow]

Gotcha

So I guess the Arathi are here bc they got trapped here. Makes sense

[jade basalt]

I think their arrival?

[silent urchin]

the implication from teh quests that did work is that their population is struggling

[zealous sedge]

Also are they referring to the arathi empire?

[pulsar minnow]

Probably

[silent urchin]

there is a blurb about how they arrived, they were sailing and got teleported in a golden glow

so probably just crystal stuff

[pulsar minnow]

Oh that’s really cool actually

[zealous sedge]

So how old are these people? Haven’t they been there for a very long time?

[silent urchin]

Also Faerin was alive at the time, as a child

[pulsar minnow]

Damn so they haven’t been here that long

Though they’re half elves so

Idk how old they live

[jade basalt]

This is the last mage in Hallowfall https://i.imgur.com/Xb2vpJV.png

We have a date! 15 years ago https://i.imgur.com/ym74NN3.png

[pulsar minnow]

Oh shit wow that’s really not that long ago

[deep pawn]

What the hell?

[silent urchin]

that really is recent

[pulsar minnow]

Where the hell’d they come from

[deep pawn]

That's Cata recent

[zealous sedge]

15 years it’s like mists/ WoD no?

[pulsar minnow]

I almost wonder if there’s some weird time shenanigans here

[dense plover]

yeah that doesnt seem right

also they built all of this in 15 years?

and all became half elves?

i would report that text

[deep pawn]

Can't they fired the lore team lol

[zealous sedge]

Maybe it’s supposed to be 150 years lol

[silent urchin]

well, it's under construction

[tulip sun]

They became part elf way before then lol

[jade basalt]

https://i.imgur.com/h0a6g8o.png

[pulsar minnow]

Well even if it’s 15 it’s probably explained through story

[tulip sun]

Remember they came from this other empire from across the sea

[silent urchin]

yeah, the empire split off a long time ago

[dense plover]

looks like we need to wait for a hotfix

[zealous sedge]

Also where would they have come from if it was 15 years ago. Didn’t they already leave arathi a long time ago

[jade basalt]

https://i.imgur.com/y0ZP325.png

[deep pawn]

So these guys are from Avaloren?

Someone's been reading Wheel of Time if we're doing Seanchan and heirs of Arthur stuff

[jade basalt]

https://i.imgur.com/De11Hce.png
https://i.imgur.com/GuZ8rsS.png

[pulsar minnow]

I think there’s definitely time shenanigans going on here

[deep pawn]

I guess we might be going to Avaloren as a patch zone.

[jade basalt]

https://i.imgur.com/TqCP7Kg.png

[dense plover]

the fact that they dont even know about dalaran?

thats wild

[pulsar minnow]

They’re talking about the Arthorian Empire

[dense plover]

wtf is that?

[pulsar minnow]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Arathor

Thousands of years ago

[clear apex]

Nobbel has some recent videos on it iirc

[silent urchin]

ffs, got DCd and my char won't log out properly

[pulsar minnow]

So even if it was a mistype. There’s no way it was 150 years ago either

Some crazy time shit happened here

[clear apex]

Maybe the crystal 🔮

[zealous sedge]

So we’re talking 1500 years ago at least.

[pulsar minnow]

Probably

[zealous sedge]

Maybe the crystal slows time

[clear apex]

Or sped up

[silent urchin]

they left arathi a long time ago. They went somewhere else. They left that place recently, and ended up in hallowfall

[zealous sedge]

Or that

[zealous sedge]

That makes more sense

[jade basalt]

Nah there's a new Arathi Empire

[pulsar minnow]

Huh so probably Avaloren then. Arathor = Arthur. Avaloren = Avalon

[zealous sedge]

Maybe yes we’ll see the “empire” in a patch

[pulsar minnow]

Idk how the hell they’d even do that though.

We got leaks of the goblin raid so undermine is probably 11.1

[clear apex]

I think the lore videos i saw recently said that more puritan light followers left the arathi area bc of the arcane magic stuff going on with elves.
Yet hallowfell is full of half elves.
But seeing that guy say all mages except himself were killed seems VERY sus

[tulip sun]

Guys lol

[zealous sedge]

Yeah how that will fit into the story who knows

[tulip sun]

There's a new Arathi empire somewhere that split off the old one thousands of years ago

There's no time shenanigans

[pulsar minnow]

In stromgarde?

[tulip sun]

It's likely to the west of Kalimdor

[clear apex]

The point was how did they build so much in 15 years?

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah so Avaloren. I think we all agree on that now

[zealous sedge]

With no magic too

[pulsar minnow]

Idk it seems possible to build that much in 15 years. They got beledar magic shit

[clear apex]

And yeah they seem very cut off from dalaran or knowing portals to the EK

[zealous sedge]

Maybe the nerubians helped them before they got corrupted by Xal

[pulsar minnow]

Nerubians only showed up recently iirc

[zealous sedge]

Ohh ok

[pulsar minnow]

The Arathi were mostly concerned about the underground ocean

[zealous sedge]

Could the earthen have helped?

[tulip sun]

Edicts probably won't let em

[clear apex]

All the mages being dead seems like it would be hard to get done, imo. You're talking doing it all by hand. And how many are actually carpenters and shipwrights

[pulsar minnow]

I mean they were on a boat when they got here

They use holy fire to power their machinery

[deep pawn]

Avalon and Arthur seems to be the inspiration we have going on

[clear apex]

That's not equivalent to building it

[pulsar minnow]

Magically powered machinery can do wonders

[deep pawn]

Avalon in some myths was lost to the mists

[pulsar minnow]

I still really think Beledar has something to do with An’she

Having it be a naaru would be so lame

[zealous sedge]

What are both of those things lol

[pulsar minnow]

Beledar = Giant crystal
An’she - only member of the Pantheon of Light we know. He’s the sun.

[deep pawn]

I'm kinda surprised Beledar is an Arathi word vs Naaru or Draenei

[deep pawn]

Is anshe light?

[zealous sedge]

Thanks!

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah most likely

Almost certainly

He gives Tauren paladins and priests light

[clear apex]

Draenei = draenor
It means outcast of the eredar who landed on draenor.

[pulsar minnow]

He’s also associated with fire, being the sun and all.

So, kinda odd we got holy fire fanatics here

[silent urchin]

kinda just fragments but it does seem to back up the idea that there's an empire out there somewhere

[clear apex]

Anshe iirc is the tauren god/dess

[silent urchin]

Which iirc some of the blizzcon interviews did state

[deep pawn]

I know, but their language is still called Draenic vs Eredari

[pulsar minnow]

Especially considering An’she got hurt really bad according to folks and fairytales of Azeroth. His heart was wounded by the old gods. This might be a piece of him or something

[deep pawn]

I'm still willing to bet the -dar is still Naaru related somehow

[dense plover]

really unlikely

its buried underground

[zealous sedge]

Maybe the reason it turns dark?

[dense plover]

and doesnt look or act naaru like

[pulsar minnow]

Granted I’m biased. My theory for the World Soul Saga is that Azeroth is a First One. Mother of An’she and Elune, who was deposed by the Titans, forced into a coma and put into a containment sphere and pumped full of arcane “bc order” and is only awakening now

[deep pawn]

It looks like a giant light's heart, what do you mean

[dense plover]

as someone in the alpha

no it doesnt

[clear apex]

Naaru are... shapes not crystals

Er shaped crystals?

[deep pawn]

I've seen the datamined model, granted the top half isn't textured

[clear apex]

I don't think naaru even get that large

[dense plover]

the way the light and void move over it

it doesnt look naaru-esque

[deep pawn]

Only other place we've seen crystals of light and a light void cycle are Naaru related

[pulsar minnow]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/c/c1/Vindicaar_empowered.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/260?cb=20170916214454

I can see what you mean but they’re different

[clear apex]

Yeah it looks kinda like one of those crystals

[pulsar minnow]

I just don’t think it’s a naaru. Even still, if it was. wtf would they even do with that plot line

Hey guys, another windchime!

[dense plover]

^

it being a naaru would be lame af

[silent urchin]

on the north of the zone, near a crashed airship

So maybe that's "the crash"

[dense plover]

no

mereldar is in the zone

its one of the towns

[silent urchin]

meraldar is the capital

this is velhan

[zealous sedge]

I think it’s merely coincidence. I think the crystal has something to do the “titan instillation” that is Khaz Algar. It’s gonna have wider implications.

[dense plover]

i think thats much more likely

[silent urchin]

and the airship was the indomitable

[jade basalt]

here we go https://i.imgur.com/2awwLyQ.png https://i.imgur.com/9KSXYe7.png

[deep pawn]

It still gives me vibes of this but bigger and more detailed, or it's just a ship since we know Naaru ships turn into crystals over time

[silent urchin]

crashed airship in question

[pulsar minnow]

God the lighting is amazing there

[dense plover]

oh

[dense plover]

it really is

the contrast between light and dark

interior vs exterior

[pulsar minnow]

Reminds me of Elden ring hard

[zealous sedge]

Bro I think I’m gonna need a new PC

[dense plover]

fire vs light

[dense plover]

nah, its not any more intense than current stuff

just really well executed

[pulsar minnow]

Switched to Paladin just for Hallowfall

[deep pawn]

It could still be An'she cause that would explain Velen's claim about the Naaru feeling like Elune's magic

[zealous sedge]

Oh okay thank god hahaha

[jade basalt]

There's also a crashed ship in the ocean, with a book object you can read from when they had only been here for 9 days

[dense plover]

i really think the 15 years thing is wrong or these guys went to the other side of azeroth and got lost on the way back but idk

[deep pawn]

An'she being a giant Naaru like being would make a ton of sense

[dense plover]

it doesnt add up

[pulsar minnow]

I personally just want it to relate to An’she in any way. If it is a nasty sent by An’she, sure I’m okay with that actually

[silent urchin]

not an expert but I think the supports for the cathedral dungeon are missing something

[deep pawn]

Odds are they're from Avaloren which by name alone would make sense to be where the descendents of "Arathor" to go

[zealous sedge]

There could another race we have not encountered that has dealings with the light and the panetheon of light.

[deep pawn]

Also, we know they're getting visions from the Light directly because Velen also has had multiple visions of this final fight between Light vs Void

[tulip sun]

How so? They left over 1200 yrs ago, settled somewhere and built an empire. Emperor sees vision 15 yrs ago and sends the Hallowfall expedition

[deep pawn]

Renilash is a new word for this battle though

We'd have to ask Velen if he recognizes the word at all

For me the biggest shock is the confirmation that Hallowfall isn't the empire, it's just some people lost from it.

[dense plover]

its a lot to build in 15 years

[deep pawn]

Oculeth is gonna help them get home I bet.

I still think we end up killing the Emperor haha.

[clear apex]

I kinda wonder now if a patch of tww will take us to avalorn now

[ionic terrace]

ono purple

[deep pawn]

So we have an empire of Half Elves that are fanatically devoted to the light.

[dense plover]

current plan is to stay underground

[tulip sun]

Now no mages

[dense plover]

avaloren is to wait for the future

[clear apex]

Welp makes sense

[silent urchin]

It's fine, we can get khadgar to come help

[clear apex]

About him dying

[deep pawn]

I just don't know when else we'd visit this Empire if the final battle against the void is in Midnight

[jade basalt]

His killers https://i.imgur.com/sOESDLe.png

[clear apex]

Confirmed they either really really hate mages or someone doesn't want us going to where "home" is

[deep pawn]

We've seen a lot of datamined dialog about the Cult of Night

[clear apex]

signs up

[jade basalt]

https://i.imgur.com/8gRSRRB.png

[silent urchin]

On the way down to azj'kahet there's a settlement that was taken over by nerubians and they destroyed the holy fire tower thingy

[deep pawn]

My likely wrong speculation is that An'she is a strong light god of some sort, and somehow he was able to create the Naaru with Elune's help.

I wonder if old god blood is enough to corrupt a light lord into a void lord.

[dense plover]

in Midnight?

like thats still an option

[clear apex]

You're gonna make me have to break out my warcraft fairy tale book

[deep pawn]

I guess the Arathi are technically another Elf nation at this point

I just figured Midnight was gonna hyper focus on Quel'danas

If we set up base in Avaloren that would let them make the entire city of Silvermoon a levelling/end zone

[dense plover]

could be off the coast

[jade basalt]

We catch the guy but this is where this ends https://i.imgur.com/8V8VrQe.png

[clear apex]

Some out of bounds wow YouTuber did find that one unfinished elf island with void energy over it recently

[jade basalt]

It kind of sounds like we could just bring a bunch of mages over though and use the Arathi's memories to create a portal back to their home

[deep pawn]

We already have just the elf for it

Oculeth is literally a teleportation specialist

[silent urchin]

MSQ seems to work suddenly

also look who is here

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault Gazlowe seems to have a new outfit!

[silent urchin]

with new model

[deep pawn]

haha, that cata leather vest

[dense plover]

thats slick

[dense plover]

its a new model

[deep pawn]

I need Velen down in Hallowfall like yesterday

[cosmic beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-season-1-shaman-tier-set-model-preview-waterbending-in-khaz-algar-339137

[deep pawn]

If anyone can recognize that crystal or know about light visions, it's Velen

[cosmic beacon]

[deep pawn]

Plus Velen already had his "We can't blindly follow the light's visions"

[uncut vault]

Oh nice, custom hat

[deep pawn]

Watching Kalamazi do the priory, the light looks so wrong, very eclipse "weak" light.

[silent urchin]

curious

[deep pawn]

spawn...

[cosmic beacon]

Sounds like a mount?

[silent urchin]

ohno talking fish

[deep pawn]

THE MUDFISH TALK? YAY

[silent urchin]

this isn't a mudfish

[dense plover]

not really

sounds like its part of the zone event or something like the awakening machine

[deep pawn]

oh

That's likely tied in with the fact magic from Dalaran is seeping into Hallowfall

[zealous sedge]

Could Xal’atath have corrupted the magical properties of dalaran and destroyed it knowing the magic would seep down and start affecting the crystal in order to take over hallowfall with the nerubians?

Now that we know she was disguised as an archmage the whole time*

[pulsar minnow]

I think that’s just a little too convoluted tbh

I think it’s just to remind us “dalaran is dead lol”

[zealous sedge]

Yeah it might be a stretch

[ionic terrace]

fish

[deep pawn]

I swear to all that is holy if the Archmage suspected dead since the third war is accepted as just coming back.

[deep pawn]

And it turns out he's Xalatath

fun....

[zealous sedge]

I guess we’ll find out in 10.2.7

[silent urchin]

oooh its happening

[zealous sedge]

We “find” the archmage again.

[zealous sedge]

Old god creatures? Maybe?

Hopefully not a foreshadow of another underwater zone.

[ionic terrace]

they gonna get married

i know it

[deep pawn]

They better not

[silent urchin]

fully voiced already!

[tulip sun]

I don't like jumping on stuff like this, but they do seem oddly lined up. We will have to watch how their interactions continue in the future

[tepid fiber]

I mean if they got hitched that would really double-down on being royalty

[silent urchin]

I think they're both too busy to get into a relationship

[deep pawn]

OLD WORLD. Confirmation they know of the old world but not of anything recent

[tepid fiber]

Honestly yeah I don't think every character needs to be shipped

[ionic terrace]

it's ok guys i was kidding lol

[deep pawn]

besides, the shared father figure in Fordragon makes Taelia are more natural choice

[pulsar minnow]

Aaaand I already love Faerin

They’re actually writing dialogue

Like dialogue!!!

[deep pawn]

So we have the Western Arathi Empire being created before Dalaran and Stormwind

Stormwind is definitely one of the last Human kingdoms to be settled though

[dense plover]

they hotfixed the quest

[deep pawn]

which one?

[dense plover]

the broken one that was the MSQ

[deep pawn]

ah

[silent urchin]

ohno

[deep pawn]

I hope Avaloren is a big enough area to feel like a true Empire, if we didn't know where Midnight and TLT was taking us I'd swear Avaloren would be 12.0

[deep pawn]

I have no idea how Alleria would ever turn to Xal'atath's side since I'm sure no few numbers of her Rangers died in the crash

Her faction takes over for Greymane's guards in 10.2.7

her sisters*

sorry

[dense plover]

brain washing

because she is being constantly bombarded by the void

but i dont think she will

at least not permanently

[deep pawn]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMnCLD5aEAAioPZ?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

that's a Mural somewhere in the expansion

an old god and their army amassing under a purple crystal of light

[jade basalt]

Not sure I'd call it a crystal of light

[deep pawn]

not sure how I'd describe the beams

I wonder if the mural is past or a prophecy

[dense plover]

why does it have a watermark?

[deep pawn]

someone posted it on their twitter

[dense plover]

where did you get this?

idk if this is real with the watermark

also the art file wouldve been datamined

[dense plover]

like the ceilings in valdrakken were

Anduin becoming his dad

[silent urchin]

LOADS of cutscenes here, it seems

[dense plover]

quelle surprise

he is just his dad but magic and younger

kinda lazy tbh

[deep pawn]

Wrynn's have a bad habit of having their souls damaged haha

[silent urchin]

No ones remarked yet that I';m a shadow priest spending half my time in void form

[zealous sedge]

I think anduin will embrace the shadow tbh

[silent urchin]

although I guess if allerias here with voidy powers I'm not exactly special

[deep pawn]

Anduin's used shadow magic before

I wonder if the writers have forgotten that though

[zealous sedge]

He’s gonna be on the same line of illidan in terms of a chaotic good/ neutral hero

[silent urchin]

that was back in.. mists? Or something, they've kinda changed what shadow/void means since then

[deep pawn]

Not that much

Light and Shadow are two sides of the same coin still

[zealous sedge]

I could see anduin fusing light and shadow in some unique way. If you look at priest spells it’s either shadow or light/ there’s no real hybrid tbh.

[deep pawn]

oh man, "Not being able to make your own choices felt good" is gonna be used the wrong way so so so hard.

[zealous sedge]

Like Dark Templar Anduin would be cool.

[zealous sedge]

Bro so this storyline is just so Anduin gets back to the light. Ez mode blizz. Give me some dark Anduin

[deep pawn]

I want him to remember he's a priest

[silent urchin]

ooh, neat, this works for boe appearances

[uncut vault]

Bit sad that they seemingly are resolving his crisis of faith so quickly

[uncut vault]

but I do like that this is playing into the same stuff his 9.2.5 cinematic did: the idea that the weight of the crown is not what's best for him

and being free of that might allow him to embrace what he's actually best at

[silent urchin]

I don't think he's resolving it fully yet

but starting on the path to it

[deep pawn]

I'm just scared of the "Are you just a sub" implication haha.

[zealous sedge]

I do to, but I think Anduin experiences make him him more complex than that. He’s a warrior like his father, he experienced great darkness in SL, but he’s always been a student of the light. I think he can never fully be a priest of the light. He needs to use his pain to become something new, not back to old tropes of just light.

[uncut vault]

love how the devs just

forgot vereesa exists

[deep pawn]

They remembered enough to put the Silver Covenant guards back just in time to kill them.

[silent urchin]

casual faerin model

also either she gets a prosthetic or it's not done yet as a model?

[deep pawn]

maybe she lost it and needs a new one.

[dense plover]

she doesnt have an arm - its her shield i think

or what Kyle said

[deep pawn]

We do have a model of her with the shield attached to her armor

[silent urchin]

yeah it is the shield, although the model still seems unfinished

[deep pawn]

There's no way they have this giant Empire of anti-void forces exist in this world where teleportation magic exists and we don't try and recruit them.

[silent urchin]

lots of bits of this are optional <stay a while and listen>

[dense plover]

I like how they call the change "Beledar's Shadow" vs day/night

i hope once you beat the story it either switches randomly or irregularly

[deep pawn]

Faerin being a descendent of an out of favor royal line could be set up for her to take charge eventually.

[dense plover]

i want a zone where if i play at night all the time, i can have it be both day and night irregularly

[dense plover]

her being a Lothar is fucking crazy

i didnt know he had kids who werent in line for the throne of stormwind

[deep pawn]

Especially if the Emperor is too fanatical.

The Lothars were never kings of Stormwind were they?

[silent urchin]

big plot in this one

[dense plover]

sorry mixup

[uncut vault]

totally different line of lothars

[dense plover]

but still

the bloodline ended with Anduin Lothar

[uncut vault]

this is a split from a looong while back

[dense plover]

and now its suddenly back?

i mean it has to be

[silent urchin]

now thinking beledar isn't a naaru, but the world soul incubation chamber, and that's what khaz algar is as a titan machine

[dense plover]

since that was WC1

and these lothars split off before that

would love to see THAT family tree

[deep pawn]

You think Beledar is Azeroth herself?

[dense plover]

no way

[silent urchin]

Not directly, but azeroth is inside

[dense plover]

NO WAY

[pulsar minnow]

Maybe An’she…..

[dense plover]

its way too small

titans are HUGE

[deep pawn]

I mean it's bigger than Argus

[dense plover]

argus was a premie

and scaled so we could fight him in a raid

[silent urchin]

crystals pretty big and we don't see all of it

[dense plover]

titans are the entire planet

[dense plover]

i posted the model earlier

[silent urchin]

and azeroth isn't even born yet

[dense plover]

its not big enough

the zone is bigger than the crystal

azeroth is the entire planet

[pulsar minnow]

We don’t even know Azeroth is a titan anymore

[dense plover]

and the song we are seeing does not seem to be tied to the song

it could be her heart tho

or like - something like that

like - not her entirely

but a physical piece of her

in which case hallowfall and the other zones are her insides

😛

[pulsar minnow]

Well if she was a titan she’d be a world soul

And we’ve seen world souls

They’re like cosmic mist

[dense plover]

turns out the expac is just that disney movie

uh

the one where theyre actually inside a stone creature/the world?

[subtle oar]

She is.

[dense plover]

STRANGE WORLD

couldnt remember the name - mediocre movie

[pulsar minnow]

Well seems like they’re heavily leaning into the idea she isn’t as of late

Taliesin had an interview and they got really coy about when Taliesin asked about her being a first one

Smirking and all

[silent urchin]

yeah but they always do that with tali

[pulsar minnow]

True, but it’s not just that as evidence for her being more than just a titan

The radiant song too. The mention of all 6 forces being involved

[silent urchin]

"The crash" does seem to be when they arrived in hallowfall

[pulsar minnow]

I very much doubt she’s a titan at this point

[dense plover]

that priest set is crazy

both light and void

well done

[deep pawn]

I'm just in shock there's an entire empire of half elves across the ocean.

[dense plover]

i hope its like lfr/normal or normal/heroic or delve/normal or something to get the light/void versions

[cosmic beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-season-1-priest-tier-set-model-preview-embrace-void-or-light-339135

Huge belt

But dope set

I hope the purple one is pvp

[zealous sedge]

Hell yes my pries it’s gonna be so happy

[silent urchin]

oh no kaiju are canon

Ten years ago, not fifteen, apparently?

[zealous sedge]

I think maybe the arathi have been making pilgrimages here for along time. That’s why it’s so built up

[deep pawn]

No, the armada all arrived at once.

[zealous sedge]

Oh okay then that’s a bug

[deep pawn]

they've been cut off since

[dense plover]

i hope not, locking shadow appearance to pvp is lame

i hope the two big differences are very easily accessible

[cosmic beacon]

Sadly the rest of the recolours are bland

Still infinitely better than what shamans are getting

[deep pawn]

Shaman haven't had a water set in a long time if ever

shush