Ugh I'll have to really look back for it but someone posted last night. And apparently the dev is the lead engineer for wow
#beta-ptr-spoilers
clear apex
clear apex
*this one
silent urchin
and yes, he was lead on plunderstorm and involved with remix too
clear apex
Damn you were on it
silent urchin
there are a number of lead software engineers in wow tho
clear apex
The face with arrows just makes me think of cc stuff
rain cave
knowing the reliability of goblin engineering they probably have tried to fire it all the times they said they would
but would be cool if it does end up being fired, just at what would be my question lmao
it's pointed at stormwind in lore isn't it?
novel zodiac
just imagine, every time they start to brainstorm new expansions
they toss a coin to see if the cannon will be fired for good
and they lost the 50/50 every time
rain cave
tbf firing the goblin cannon at a giant void monstrosity that's crawled out of the ground and needs something with effectively ICBM scale targeting to take it down could be a very cool moment
my mind just drifted to us breaking into the palace for the 1st raid with a giant candle man like the gingerbread giant in shrek 2 💀
novel zodiac
or, they fire it at dimensius
knowing that xal'athat is his harbringer
a giant out of space monstrosity
cosmic beacon
That’s basically what we did with nzoth
Hit ‘em with the big beam and poof friendship wins
novel zodiac
nah
rain cave
just this time a giant fucking round
novel zodiac
not the same
rain cave
what could we load into the barrel of that cannon that would be hilarious
novel zodiac
at the start of wod we used a pretty normal cannon to blow up the dark portal and that was better than the n'zoth one
rain cave
if we need armor penetration put magni in the barrel he's made of diamond
alternatively just chuck all the spent artifacts in and fire spicy shrapnel lmao
tropic trail
what could we load into the barrel of that cannon that would be hilarious
a mana bomb
zealous sedge
I think I might have to get back into engineering just for this
ember blaze
can non engis use that
upper pasture
We don’t know but it’s likely engis will be able to craft them through a WO I’d bet
tepid fiber
It you need to have engineering to be able to use it it would definitely be a first. You don't need to be an engineer to use any of the other engineering mounts
zealous sedge
It you need to have engineering to be able to use it it would definitely be a fi...
Oh really? I thought it was like that for most engineering mounts. Did it change?
cerulean lava
can non engis use that
no idea
tepid fiber
Oh really? I thought it was like that for most engineering mounts. Did it change...
Hasn't been like that for as long as I can remember
Turbo-charged flying machine, mechanohog, Ziwyllag ATV, etc
You need to be one to make one, sure
You might be thinking of engineering toys like wormhole generators and loot-a-rangs
Oh, wait, scratch that, I think it's just the flying machine and turbo charged ones that need Engineering
The rest are perfectly fine
zealous sedge
Oh yes your right it’s just flying machine
It would be cool if they could make crafting orders retroactive for certain things like engineering mounts. So I can buy them instead of making an alt to do engineering lol.
Or can they be bought on the AH and I’m just a ding dong?
tepid fiber
They can be bought on the AH
zealous sedge
Cool
tepid fiber
All of the engineering mounts
I think the only one I'm missing is the world spinner but I don't have gnomish engineering 
zealous sedge
Haha
I’m sending energy to the void that another alpha wave of invites goes out today and I’m in it.
I’ve never gotten alpha in all my years of wow
severe oxide
Turbo-charged flying machine, mechanohog, Ziwyllag ATV, etc
The TBC flying machines required engineering. Mechanohog was implemented as the first mount Engineers were able to sell, in an attempt to make the profession profitable in the way others were at the time
severe oxide
Sorry I'm a little behind in the chat
Do they still makr profession mounts for other professions? I think Tailoring hat the carpets for a bit, but did they abandon that?
tepid fiber
Yeah, that's why I try to read up before I respond because over half the time what I want to say doesn't need to be said anymore because he rest of the conversation already happened
zealous sedge
alpha is harddd to get omdd :((
Yeah as a casual to mid core player depending on the time of year, I just really want to provide feedback because I know a lot of the things they are doing now is focused on that part of the player base
tepid fiber
The only other profession restricted mount other than the flying carpets is the Dustmane Direwolf from Draenor Leatherworking
severe oxide
Feel like Herbalism getting one would be a no-brainer. Have a plant that you tend to and water that eventually turns into some big mountable plant creature
tepid fiber
No gathering professions have one unless you count fishing
clear apex
I'm surprised hunters don't get more of an animal taming thing for mounts
Like wod has animal husbandry thing, but everyone can do that
severe oxide
I'm surprised hunters don't get more of an animal taming thing for mounts
That kind of favoritsm and love is reserved for druids
tepid fiber
Engineers can craft portable stables
clear apex
That kind of favoritsm and love is reserved for druids
I still can't get the stupid ristar skin lol
Got almost all emerald dream druid skins but that one.
severe oxide
Imagine if other classes got that much stuff catered exclusively to them!
ember blaze
can someone confirm if non engis can use the mount
harsh mason
customspell10 is very cool https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=215657/ulgrax-the-devourer#modelviewer
tepid fiber
can someone confirm if non engis can use the mount
At the moment there isn't anything indicating that they cannot
candid ruin
They talk about the "secert" Delve on twitter
comes with Season 1, and its one boss you have to defeat
warm topaz
Twitter
warm topaz
They talk about the "secert" Delve on twitter
i think that 13th Delve is like a mage tower challenge
candid ruin
Surely it'll be challenging
dense plover
I think it’s either an endgame delve - or it’s a story based intro for delves
Could be like the very first delve you do that introduces you to a story npc
Or the use of a delve for story
warm topaz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_YBGTv5_Xk
Holly 🐐
pulsar minnow
We already know of the intro to delves. It’s in the isle of dorn story
Generic mine
tepid fiber
Endgame delve or story-related delve is my opinion
Agreeing with Peach, sometimes the simplest answer is the best one
pulsar minnow
I mean why would they try and hype it up and tell us that we have to unlock the 13th delve
Iirc they said at blizzcon we’d have to unlock the final delve after beating the others
candid ruin
the 13th Delve is an end game, seasonal one
I think they've changed their mind from blizzcon
they said it was supposed to be a secret but they just told us about it in their newest video 
pulsar minnow
Ohh
I hadn’t seen the vid
Yeah, don’t think it’ll just be some lame quest. There’s gotta be a cool reward linked to it
novel zodiac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_YBGTv5_Xk
watched it for like 7 mins and she said absolutely nothing
just corpo shit about they doing things
pulsar minnow
I mean what can she really say. “Hey guys playable tuskarr in midnight!”
warm topaz
well the first question is, what an exc producer does, so makes sense lol
novel zodiac
well the first question is, what an exc producer does, so makes sense lol
money for the highers ups
so who cares
tepid fiber
We care that's why we're looking at what's being said and coming out
That's the whole point lol
Yes they're a business that produces a product and makes money from said product, we know
We are consumers of that product
So we want to know what the producers of said product have to say
warm topaz
she is talking about the reception of Dragonflight, what they have learned, what they like and what they don't, challenges in development and how to solve them
pulsar minnow
I think I remember a year ago this guy was in here complaining about DF saying the same stuff
novel zodiac
meaby i was lol
upper pasture
Sounds about right
harsh mason
https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1781367283987710130
I would like them to continue developing the companion system. In Draenor and the Legion, it was a good start, but then it didn't develop in any way
I certainly don't think it would be like in swtor, but still
clear apex
I hate companions at times. Partly bc they like getting in the way
upper pasture
one bullion a week :/ lots of grinding it is then
tepid fiber
It's a good optional feature for people who like them, especially those who struggle questing solo as something squishy or a tank spec that needs just a little more support while questing. For those that liked them in WoD and Legion this is pretty good
arctic wharf
one bullion a week :/ lots of grinding it is then
you also get boullion from timewalking and two from the dungeon weekly
TBC timewalking is active week one (so you start with two)
Dungeon weekly week 3 (so you're at six)
upper pasture
that could have only been for testing on the ptr tho. i haven't seen it as a reward for any of the other weeks on the ptr
arctic wharf
only on the dungeon and tw weeklies iirc
candid ruin
yeah they didn't list it as a source in the bluepost
deep pawn
It's not in the notes but it is possible vs them making boxes that have loot from all 3 awakened raids
We'll know on Tuesday
deep pawn
The gear boxes from completing the time walking and dungeon weeklies
upper pasture
oh yeah sure on the ptr it was those AND 2 bullions.
well the first week the PTR was up it was but blue notes says we get one bullion each week from killing awakened bosses and the cap raises by 1 each week so no need to worry about falling behind and "missing out" by not doing it each week on every alt.
they probably thought us getting 3 bullions in week one would be too strong.
quartz lintel
Soon i hope
deep pawn
Oh, I didn't remember the weekly giving a random piece of gear too
harsh mason
It's a good optional feature for people who like them, especially those who stru...
Some of the companions were very well made as individuals and I personally became attached to them. I missed them later.
tepid fiber
I miss this absolute unit
deep pawn
I miss Meatball
rain cave
I get they were thematic with WoD
But give an option at least
Bears have a humanoid bear form
glass flicker
A'ight, hear me out on this, 'cause WoD had some damn good leveling. Bring. Back. Expansion leveling perks.
You'd get a new passive that buffed one of your abilities every two levels between 90 and 100 in WoD, and it was great.
rain cave
Idk I don't really like having stuff only usable in certain areas
Like I felt stronger outside than in raid
They are doing something fun with mop remix though, so maybe they'll take cues there
Like if in future gear has slots for effect gems
glass flicker
Ahem, ahem...
rain cave
And leveling gems give you buffs strong for leveling
glass flicker
T/link Heart of Azeroth
rain cave
Yeah but that was a whole central system
glass flicker
You know what they also liked? Gear from the two boss raid in BfA.
rain cave
Yeah people just like cool effects
glass flicker
We need more miniraids with unique gear that has special effects.
rain cave
I'm glad b they seem to be adding more of them back
glass flicker
I think that, at this point, they could do something more fun and exciting with gear, because just having BIG NUMBER is not that fun anymore. Remember Twilight Devastation? It was fun to see it proc, even if it was overtuned.
dense plover
Quick and dirty attempt overlaying the isle of dorn with part of the dragon isles
It’s big
glass flicker
Quick and dirty attempt overlaying the isle of dorn with part of the dragon isle...
Hoo boy.
dense plover
And looks more explorable percentage wise than the dragon isles zones
glass flicker
Considering we get Dynamic Flight straight away, I would think they'd like to make zones larger to compensate with the speed of players.
dense plover
Raw images with grids if someone wants to try to do a better job
FYI, isle of dorn and the rest of the zones are separate - which should help with the capital city lag
pulsar minnow
im curious. in Azj Kahet in the bottom left
what is that?
is that the raid or something else?
dense plover
That’s the city of threads
And then there’s an unfinished section
The dungeon and raid both use parts of that map
But they use copies
I expect that mountain area to either have new content added or to be cleaned up and removed
Waiting on the monk changes blog post
I just want black out combo earlier in the tree, and some of the double nodes trimmed. Also they need to pick between dodge and armor - focusing on both along with stagger is kinda silly
dense plover
https://wago.tools/atlas/2777 hero talent icons with names
Some aren’t implemented yet
uncut vault
oh those are really good
they clearly got to shine with visuals free from the simplistic class icon restrictions
deep pawn
Isle of Dorn doesn't look much bigger than Thald
novel zodiac
Isle of Dorn doesn't look much bigger than Thald
Yeah, but thald is like half mountains
deep pawn
and Dorn appears to be half mountains too
novel zodiac
ty
looking at it with the tool, i still think that Isle of Dorn will feel bigger than Thaldraszus
all the west and southwest part of Thaldraszus is just mountains
deep pawn
Thald is full of caves and stuff
novel zodiac
yeah, and i dont remember once bein in them
all i will remember from that zone is Valdrakken, flying to the Vault, or flying to tyrsfall and that's it
dense plover
and Dorn appears to be half mountains too
Idk - looks like mountains with stuff on them
dense plover
Thald is full of caves and stuff
So is Isle of Dorn
pulsar minnow
This whirlpool in Hallowfall looks pretty cool. I wonder if that’s a pathway to Azj Kahet
dense plover
That’s the sinkhole
tropic trail
This whirlpool in Hallowfall looks pretty cool. I wonder if that’s a pathway to ...
it seems to line up with a map called the sinkhole?
dense plover
It’s a delve
tropic trail
ah
dense plover
It’s the underwater delve - or one of the underwater delves?
pulsar minnow
They said in the delve preview there’s the sinkhole where all the water in Hallowfall gathers
dense plover
There’s a lot of water in hallowfall
It’s very likely some of the questing will be underwater
Not a ton
But some
It has a huge ocean
pulsar minnow
Yeah, hoping the underwater creatures lead into a new zone in that cavern
Also, side note, but that crystal in Hallowfall- that’s not a prop is it? It’s a part of the skybox?
dense plover
Also, side note, but that crystal in Hallowfall- that’s not a prop is it? It’s a...
It’s physically there
The zones have physical roofs
It just doesn’t show on the maps because the ceilings are above the map render height
pulsar minnow
Gotcha. Wasn’t sure about Hallowfall since its cavern is sooo open
pulsar minnow
Sick. I kinda wanna try going into the zone viewer tool and see if there’s anything in the crystal
clear apex
Damn the noodle dragon with spin flying flight looks really cool
... the spin flight thing for dynamic
warm topaz
Twitter
upper pasture
now that's exciting
zealous sedge
Man only 4 weeks of non awakened
So basically 3 weeks to farm mythic ATDH for that stupid fucking owl mount
I just want my Druid flight form to be that owl
meager warren
Why do you hate me
deep pawn
Blizzard says eventually every race can be every class except for like DH and Evoker. They just need to create lore reasons and art.
I'm paladin and shaman both require similar amounts of artwork to expand
Druid needs the most if they want to give proper druid customization to each
warm topaz
one thing that a like about TWW is that we are reaching legion numbers again
i miss 20M Chaos Bolt
this interview is goated too
ember blaze
one thing that a like about TWW is that we are reaching legion numbers again
theyre gonna nerf them again at midnights tho
they should have let us do billions by the end at the last titan
i dont wanna fight titans doing 5k dps
warm topaz
yeah i know, Ion said it on a interview, but in the meantime, lets enjoy it
warm topaz
they should have let us do billions by the end at the last titan
i think that cause a lot of problems desing-wise
ember blaze
yeah i know, Ion said it on a interview, but in the meantime, lets enjoy it
they should make a poll 
warm topaz
but im agree, i like big numbers
ember blaze
i think that cause a lot of problems desing-wise
ok not like a billion dps, i just meant large numbers lol
cosmic beacon
Corruptions were awesome besides acquisition
The part where 90% of blizz endgame systems fall apart
upper pasture
The beginning? Lol
zealous sedge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0aVx_QMyEg
I like this interview too. The top comment made a great point saying the players who don’t like delves will say it is a forced way to max their gear and the will “scream from the rooftops until it’s nerfed into oblivion”. I’m a casual player but enjoy heroic raiding, mid tier m+ and delves look really promising. I just really hope Blizzard doesn’t listen to the small minority and nerfs delves later in the expansion, because we know people are gonna be complaining especially since it’s tied to the great vault. My argument is, I do not enjoy PvP, but that’s been part of the great vault for a long time, and I don’t feel forced to do it to fill my vault, so why should you?
deep pawn
Delves cap at hero track loot as far as we can tell..
So you'll still need to do raid or +8s
Sure they'll be an extra 3 chances at tier but they have made tier so easy to fill out for raiders already
zealous sedge
Yes true I’m just worried players like me are gonna get shafted by the minority that’s super loud and delves get cut and there goes solo content once again.
deep pawn
Nah, blizzard basically said they have ignored midcore players too much
Delves are there for that groups that wants challenges but doesn't want to mythic raid or push for an m+ title
clear apex
Well good thing delves can be done with friends then. I mean, so that should make it easier for some who can't solo it with the companion
upper pasture
The thought of getting heroic/M+ 5 gear from solo content just fills me with so much joy
tropic trail
this interview is goated too
What you mean goated 🐐?
warm topaz
I mean that is fantastic hahaha
tropic trail
Haha 😂
signal bone
I hope the 12 other delves aren't faceroll and the mage-tower esque one isn't a one-time deal
zealous sedge
Nah, blizzard basically said they have ignored midcore players too much
True. Nevertheless, if I start seeing hardcore players being a little overzealous on the official forums I’m gonna make my opinion heard about delves.
rain cave
Also on the topic of people potentially complaining about great from delves, it really isn't much of an issue imo
So there's a player who doesn't raid because they struggle to find a group
They get great from delves, to do more delves?
It's not really infringing on raiders terf
You could argue It's something extra for raiders to do fine
But those people will do everything, they're hardcore
clear apex
I hope the 12 other delves aren't faceroll and the mage-tower esque one isn't a ...
They get harder with each tier
clear apex
It's not really infringing on raiders terf
Honestly feels like complaining that dungeons infringe on it SMH
Delves are just ... different type of dungeon
warm topaz
@lone mantle it's been a while Algalon, how you doing?
did you get the invite to alpha?
lone mantle
I welcome you with a stellar warmth, mortal. 
lone mantle
did you get the invite to alpha?
Yes.
warm topaz
what's the first thing you did?
zealous sedge
Can I make an observation about these interviews. It’s not a complaint I am just curious how other people interpret what the devs are saying. A lot of questions end up with an answer like “we’re talking about that”. What does “talking about it” mean really? Like is it another word for saying “working on it”. Idk when I hear “talking” I think they are in the initial brainstorm mode and haven’t actually put anything into action yet. Also, on another note, some of the questions that are asked I feel are being asked to the wrong developer. Like class specific tuning questions being asked to delve creators doesn’t make much sense to me. I’m not trying to hate on the interviewer or the devs but wanted to point out that observation.
zealous sedge
https://youtu.be/P_YBGTv5_Xk?si=JcjoQsEOnJ4pJgBF
I haven’t seen this interview yet tho.
silent urchin
It mostly means they have nothing to announce
zealous sedge
It mostly means they have nothing to announce
Fair
silent urchin
it could be anywhere from just knowing it's an issue, to almost fully implemented but they don't want to tell us yet
zealous sedge
Good point. I understand they don’t want to overpromise anything but just acknowledging they are always aware of the issue.
silent urchin
Or in a few of these cases, it's something the dev in question doesn't know about in detail cause it's outside their area
zealous sedge
Word
deep pawn
They say something now rather that silence. They stopped acknowledging feedback for a long time because acknowledging without doing anything caused tons of toxicity
I think things are going better now that many things are on video so you have a voice and face saying it vs just text.
austere gazelle
they are also multiplying face to avoid only one person to take all the blame because that's the only faces the players would know
tropic trail
they are also multiplying face to avoid only one person to take all the blame be...
this isn't really new? they've done this for ages
in the dragonflight reveal video they must've had like 30 developers talking about it
in blizzcon interviews there's always been a wide range of people on the team giving interviews
silent urchin
With the amount of creators getting interviews they needed a lot
but it's good practise in general
get a bunch of people with experience doing it
cause some day Ion will retire
tropic trail
that as well
they used to bring out jeremy feasel a ton, it's a bit of a shame that he's been more behind the scenes recently haha
i really wanna see more of ion, holly and john hight together
deep pawn
It's relatively new. For me anything in the last 4 years is new for WoW
tropic trail
Ehhh
you can look back at expansions before that as well
BFA had tons of people giving interviews
legion had a ton of 1 on 1 Q&As with lore and random developers
warm topaz
legion had a ton of 1 on 1 Q&As with lore and random developers
Ion and devolore were a classic
austere gazelle
For the most part Ion was one of the only face giving interview with Q&A and such up till SL
( for Retail )
He was the one answering question to all the content creator and such
It was during SL that it seems he was withdrawing from the PR talk and that others began to take lead and went into front stage
tropic trail
For the most part Ion was one of the only face giving interview with Q&A and suc...
I wouldn't really say that's the case
The main face? sure
but just looking at interviews from BFA and legion shows that's not the case
hell, the rise of azshara content preview was done by jeremy feasel
you had a group of pretty senior devs that would regularly take part in interviews and press events (jeremy feasel, morgan day, holinka, steve danuser etc)
but just looking up interviews from blizzcon past blizzcons shows even more people
tepid fiber
You're a real champ 💪
ionic terrace
it didn't unlock anything other then his skills
i'm assuming you need to get him to level 10 to unlock something
sullen creek
Really like what they did with WW. Took out some bloat made it smoother
Hope they do that to more
zealous sedge
https://youtu.be/P_YBGTv5_Xk?si=JcjoQsEOnJ4pJgBF
I just watched this. Holly is definitely goated. One of the best Blizzard hires in a long time.
dense plover
"The Rookery dungeon will have Follower dungeons enabled at launch because of how critical it is for the story." - this is interesting
this implies it wont be available in all dungeons at launch of expac
just the story critical ones
ionic terrace
ngl i do wonder how they will handle melee that aren't tanks
the current npcs in DF are all ranged
pulsar minnow
Kinda random but I just realized. It won’t be long til we see Illidan again in the Last Titan. But by the time we see him again it will have been like 12 years
It will have been THAT LONG since legion. That’s just insane to me
Also, I’m so curious what the capital will be in TLT. Wyrmrest seems like the easy choice considering the aspects are back. But, just imagine Icecrown Citadel as our new capital
deep pawn
will be about that long in universe too
pulsar minnow
Time flies huh
deep pawn
Dalaran's been rebuilt before
This gives them an excuse to make the city look different
pulsar minnow
I’d love to see it rebuild and made into a massive city
pulsar minnow
This gives them an excuse to make the city look different
Yeah the city… didn’t exactly feel much like a city. More like a floating town
novel zodiac
I’d love to see it rebuild and made into a massive city
bigger?, damn, nobody will be ready for Lagaran 3.0
harsh mason
Sorry for these words, but I'm really glad that Lagaran will be destroyed (hopefully forever)
A city in the air, which is very small and has 100 things per 1 square meter-it was the worst idea for a hub
austere gazelle
Also, I’m so curious what the capital will be in TLT. Wyrmrest seems like the ea...
Iridikron's underground citadel could play a role. Since he wants to fight the titans he'll -maybe- be an unwanted ally against them
warm topaz
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proper palm
upper pasture
Oh for sure
austere gazelle
Does anyone knows what happens next week regarding our current weekly Keystone? are they reset to +2 or are they converted to the new mythic level ?
warm topaz
I read that they will all be reset to +2
yeah i was trying to find the wowhead article
i think it is +2 too
thin warren
indeed, was in an article
upper pasture
yeah all keystones get bumped down to 2.
"At the beginning of Season 4, all Keystones will be reset to level 2, regardless of levels. This is done due to our difficulty refactoring of Mythic and Mythic+."
austere gazelle
Thank you 😉
zealous sedge
dense plover
https://www.wowhead.com/news/flying-airship-mount-from-delves-in-the-war-within-...
we can see #latest-news
you dont need to report articles
for future reference
im glad its in the dressing room
less customizations than i expected tbh
i assume theyre either going to add more before launch or theyre going to add more with patches
could use body options as well
zealous sedge
i know. I just wanted to put a reference for my commentary.I love this mount so much. Do you think they’ll tie some customization options to AOTC and the like or just strictly delve* rewards?
dense plover
strictly delve
thats how it was advertised
same as how AOTC and other things get their own options
zealous sedge
Okay cool
dense plover
though i dont think we will get tons of customization mounts like in DF
right now we only have 2 - the gryphon (which might be purchase exclusive and isnt getting more options) and the delve mount
i could see them doing 2 more?
zealous sedge
Yeah I don’t think so either. It’ll probably just be a strictly AOTC mount or title I assume. No customization
Yeah - and I’m curious how they will add more customization to the airship for patches in TWW. Obviously they’ll need to add more delves, meaning more zones in similar taste to Zaralek and the emerald dream
deep pawn
MrPeach774, remind me, what day does the alpha calendar have remix start again?
zealous sedge
I’m crossing my fingers for another wave of invites tomorrow or Tuesday.
Idk how invite waves have worked in the past tho
dense plover
whenever a new build goes out
could be tuesday, could be thursday
or we might not get one (very unlikely, especially this early)
upper pasture
Anyone in alpha know if there are races in TWW or atleast any hint of them? I’d hate to see them get left behind in DF
zealous sedge
I think I saw the Dynamic Flight feature video said it was gonna have races
Ill go back and look
That reminds me, I’m VERY excited for Northrend Cup in S4
upper pasture
Yup 30th can’t come fast enough
deep pawn
Yeah, there's races and they said new glyphs to find for achievements
zealous sedge
Yeah at the end they said more races
zealous sedge
Yeah, there's races and they said new glyphs to find for achievements
To that point I think they said only the glyphs in the dragon isles are staying for achievements, and now the dynamic flight progression isn’t tied to those anymore.
dense plover
Anyone in alpha know if there are races in TWW or atleast any hint of them? I’d ...
they confirmed there will be races still
deep pawn
Did they? Could have sworn it looked like Dorn
dense plover
no way they dont keep those around
dense plover
Did they? Could have sworn it looked like Dorn
thats because it was
deep pawn
I meant the glyph they showed
dense plover
oh no
those were DF glyphs
they were saying the old achieves would stay for exploration
zealous sedge
Can someone remind me how Bronze Bullions will work? I can’t keep track all things coming up lol. I know we get one per week but is it tied to a quest or you just get it like catalyst charges?
dense plover
Can someone remind me how Bronze Bullions will work? I can’t keep track all thin...
you gotta do heroic+ content i think
zealous sedge
Found it
It just says “defeat awakened bosses” doesn’t specify how many. You get the mount on normal, title for heroic, and portals for mythic. But there is a catchup mechanic which is good if you miss a week.
dense plover
It just says “defeat awakened bosses” doesn’t specify how many. You get the moun...
one
defeat one
zealous sedge
Nice
silent urchin
I'm just hoping it doesn't take me 3 weeks to get the crafting crest recipe that people actually want
zealous sedge
I just want the SL fated mount, the awakened mount, 2 pieces for my heroic amirdrassil tmog. then I’m all in on remix. So 5 weeks? Doesn’t sound too bad.
upper pasture
The only part that could prove harder to get is the Heroic gear mog since it’s still RNG and your not gonna be able to straight buy the pieces with bullions
deep pawn
unless their tier is amirdrassil and can still catalyst
upper pasture
Still rng /shrug
pulsar minnow
shit the raid weaps looks fucking amazing
love this "crystal" esque effect they got going on for it
upper pasture
they be leaning hard on the void stuff and i'm here for it
gloomy sleet
makes me wish we had velf dh
molten niche
wish they didnt make glaives its own weapon. they should just be considered swords since the warglaives of azzinoth are swords
rain cave
I will say the bow does look a bit ehh to me
but that glaive is epic
same with the fist weapon etheral thing
severe oxide
they be leaning hard on the void stuff and i'm here for it
Not sure that's void, that's just been Nerubian aesthetic since forever; ornate gold mixed with blue-black crystal stuff
gloomy sleet
the bottom coloring is void
upper pasture
oh for sure it's nerubian but most of the colors are void
or void feeling leaning, and this is only from the first tier so who knows where the next two take us
upper lantern
love this "crystal" esque effect they got going on for it
wow that's like perfect for void elves
cerulean lava
love this "crystal" esque effect they got going on for it
Reminds me of these swords from shadowlands
sickk
zealous sedge
The only part that could prove harder to get is the Heroic gear mog since it’s s...
Oh I thought you could buy any pieces with buillon for mog
upper pasture
Nope, for the cosmetic only it’s weapons, for useable gear it’s everything but the main armor pieces so like rings trinkets cloaks and maybe actual weapons too? But 100% not armor
zealous sedge
Oh I see that makes sense. I just need wrists and cloak lol
zealous sedge
love this "crystal" esque effect they got going on for it
As a shadow priest the staffs look really fucking cool too. I need a really cool spell book and wand transmog combo in my life tho.
dense plover
im honestly a bit down on the weapons
i was hoping they would have more web covered stuff
maybe those will be in the zone gear?
or from renown?
gloomy sleet
they look more like from the raid but who knows. im pleasantly surprised they aren't web covered
tulip sun
zepplinns are being updated to HD
Another person in another discord saw a line/dialogue/description of like, "The unified armies/navies of the Alliance and Horde come over the Horizon"
I wouldnt be surprised if thats where we see these used.
If that is a true thing
silent urchin
It sounds like placeholder text for a cutscene, it's unlikely it means much more than they're sailing alongside each other
dense plover
i also suspect theyre just gonna update the old ones
tulip sun
It sounds like placeholder text for a cutscene, it's unlikely it means much more...
I think the arrival of reinforcements will be a notable story point
silent urchin
its amazing there's anyone left for the regular faction armies, tbh
zealous sedge
maybe those will be in the zone gear?
That would be neat. Have we heard anything about renown factions in the zones? Like is the Aj’kahet renown a renegade faction of nerubians or something more alleria/ kirin for focused? That could be a path towards web themed cosmetics.
zealous sedge
That’s disappointing
dense plover
starting to look through the item database
this drops from the raid
interesting to see a weapon set bonus
looks like first and offhand, so mainly shaman, and evoker i think?
oh nope
chime is a trinket
zealous sedge
Oh that’s cool
ionic terrace
Peach stealing my weapons smh
dense plover
another weapon with a cool effect - unclear where it comes from
ionic terrace
I got the staff from a delve so it fits
dense plover
I got the staff from a delve so it fits
sorry, had to share
zealous sedge
Has anyone here that has alpha been testing professions? I’m curious about alchemy and the Blasphemite reagent.
ionic terrace
I have been, not really done much with alch
Cooking and fishing seem to have become bugged since the start and I can’t learn them now
dense plover
this is an engineering mount and it can fly
dense plover
Cooking and fishing seem to have become bugged since the start and I can’t learn...
professions are currently super broken
zealous sedge
That’s fair. It seems Blasphemite is something jewelcrafters need for meta gems and it’s very rare. Based on the blue post it seems it can only be obtained by alchemists using Thamaturgyz
dense plover
fishing might be seeing significant changes
zealous sedge
Sorry I can’t spell
zealous sedge
fishing might be seeing significant changes
Compared to DF or just alpha build to build?
ionic terrace
Eh, parts are broken, yeah, or just NYI, but the majority of, say, LW worked
dense plover
Compared to DF or just alpha build to build?
DF
ionic terrace
Alpha is down currently but I can look when it’s back
zealous sedge
Word. I find fishing is generally boring hopefully they give it some more zest
silent urchin
At minimum fishing seems to be getting all the various bits of gear converted to proper fishing equipment like other professions have
Although it didn't look entirely complete in the data
ionic terrace
I didn’t really understand what they meant by that
Like, there’s already equipment added in DF right
I guess they mean stuff like the hats?
zealous sedge
I think so, I think the only equipment you can equip is the fishing pole? There’s nothing else
silent urchin
other stuff works like regular gear
in the data there's copies of it all marked as accessories
ionic terrace
For some reason I thought there was more lol
zealous sedge
Give me a fishing bauble that’s permanent
dense plover
looks like theyre trying to figure out what the bag size limit is
ionic terrace
Anyway I don’t think it’s coming back tonight
ionic terrace
Not sure what happened, I got a minute restart countdown
ionic terrace
Hopefully new build being pushed tomorrow?
Thursday most likely
zealous sedge
True
zealous sedge
Oh ok - that feels quick I thought it would be at-least a bit before we see the 2nd zone.
dense plover
dont think ive ever seen a thing say 'tank only'
dense plover
Oh ok - that feels quick I thought it would be at-least a bit before we see the ...
the zones are extremely polished
ionic terrace
I think ringing depths next? I’m not sure of the order
dense plover
and theyre gonna want to test them sooner rather than later
dense plover
I think ringing depths next? I’m not sure of the order
thats right
zealous sedge
More polished than DF alpha? Just curious how it feels comparatively
dense plover
More polished than DF alpha? Just curious how it feels comparatively
yes
the two teams thing is finally paying off
zealous sedge
Shout out to the world builders!
zealous sedge
dont think ive ever seen a thing say 'tank only'
Yes this is interesting. Making gear spec required.
ionic terrace
I’m guessing 75 for the cap
ionic terrace
78 and then 80
dense plover
new wormhole generator
ionic terrace
Ugh, not random again, I’m guessing that’ll be solved with specs again
silent urchin
I've definitely seen <role> specialization text on stuff before but can't remember exactly where
zealous sedge
Random, but I was just reading the article on Valorstones/ Crests, etc. I loved the upgrade system in DF. It would be really neat if they could introduce an item drop from bosses that lets you upgrade your current gear to the next track. Obviously it would need to be tuned really well so people aren’t able to upgrade to the next track each week for 1 item of gear. Idk, just a thought. Sometimes there’s that one piece on the next track you can’t seem to get cause of bad RNG or whatever.
zealous sedge
this is a WILD mount
I bet that’s mythic boss drop from the 1st tier.
ionic terrace
They really can’t make up their mind with the wormhole toys, half of them are random and the other half let you pick lol
dense plover
delves will have other mounts
dense plover
the worm mounts are weird - they have legs!
the mount special for the weird spiders is like a jumping spider's dance
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=223278/ph-spiderundergroundmount-blue feel free to take a look for yourself
zealous sedge
I dived into the alchemy updates some of these flaks and potions are wild
Particularly tempered potion seems amazing.
dense plover
new fist weapon is crazy
firstly cool looking - secondly, anyone else noticing similarities with the designs in oribos?
novel zodiac
no way, looks like an actual fist weapon and not some bulshit with a dagger atached
dense plover
am i crazy?
silent urchin
It's definitely an earthern design, matches donegol architecture way better. There's some pretty big similarities to oribos but it's more of a coincidence there
just fairly basic celtic knot style designs in both cases
dense plover
GREAT PICK
AMAZING
A CLASSIC FANTASY WEAPON
this is the most ridiculous staff i think ive ever seen
novel zodiac
Man, this expansion is going to be so good for paladins and dwarves
zealous sedge
The one handed blade a posted a while back gives me halo plasma sword vibes
silent urchin
if that staff doesn't have an animation where it spins or opens
zealous sedge
Is that good or bad hahaha
zealous sedge
Man, this expansion is going to be so good for paladins and dwarves
Yes, and then my blood elves get all the glory in midnight hehe
arctic wharf
onyx annulet is the ring from 10.0.5 that had mixed reception - it looks to be mixed with a potion here
zealous sedge
Oh I see
novel zodiac
Yes, and then my blood elves get all the glory in midnight hehe
yeah, my plan is playing a belf mage in 12.0
arctic wharf
novel zodiac
or, amani hunter, if we get them
zealous sedge
Ohh yeah that could be cool. I don’t think blood elves got a new race model in WoD like the other races? I can’t remember, wasn’t playing around that time. Would be cool to see some updates there.
silent urchin
belves were revamped with the .1 patch rather than WoD release
zealous sedge
Oh my bad thank you
silent urchin
Goblins and worgens had to wait til.. the end of BFA
zealous sedge
Oof
silent urchin
Sometime later this year it will have been longer since WoD than it was between vanilla and WoD
although there has been a fair amount of incremental improvements to models and so on
zealous sedge
I remember reading that somewhere. I think the models have held up pretty well? Except for some certain transmog on races and such. Don’t get me started on hats!
deep pawn
I totally missed that Q'onzu uses your BfA title
novel zodiac
what about pandas?, do they still look good to today standars or they need an update?
pulsar minnow
They hold up
tropic trail
It's definitely an earthern design, matches donegol architecture way better. The...
Looks like titans hired cheap workers
novel zodiac
they hired dwarf workers, half the size, half the pay
tropic trail
Earthen yea 😂
dusk coral
.
subtle oar
what about pandas?, do they still look good to today standars or they need an up...
I want more customization options for them!
ember blaze
I want more customization options for them!
best they can do is a panda allied race
harsh wedge
we got seasons in the game now??
We got them since the tree mount changing colours depending on the seasons
zealous sedge
What class are y’all playing first in Remix? I’ve never leveled a warrior so I think that’s what I’m going with.
ionic terrace
Because I am a insanely dumb individual I can now say that level 10 brann doesn’t unlock anything as of yet
warm topaz
What class are y’all playing first in Remix? I’ve never leveled a warrior so I t...
panda monk clasiiic
deep pawn
I have literally every class at 70. Hunter is a pretty chill class to level in general but maybe I finally do a Zandalari paladin to get that heritage set
I'll laugh if the aotc mount actually doesn't go away
zealous sedge
panda monk clasiiic
Oh maybe I’ll do that for 2nd character. I’m just fearful I won’t like it because of all the things I’ve heard about WW.
solemn dagger
God the new Evoker tier set is amazing, it's truly a shame not much is shown then in dragonform 
harsh mason
Goblin raid when?
novel zodiac
2025 i guess
crystal pond
pulsar minnow
Goblin raid when?
Probably for the meadery dungeon
Story is Venture co took it over
little hound
For ONCE.. I'm not jealous of Gladiators. And this is the 2nd time in WoW History that their Gladiator Mounts aren't Dragons. Only other case was WoD with the Fel Gronnling Mounts.
pulsar minnow
Tbh those bats are freaking awesome looking
harsh mason
For ONCE.. I'm not jealous of Gladiators. And this is the 2nd time in WoW Histor...
They are clearly tired of making dragons AFTER expansion about dragons, where players got an overdose of dragons
You know…
zealous sedge
Yeah the felbat mounts are amazing. Too bad I suck ar pvp.
upper pasture
wait really? that's super cool and hopefully goes over well and becomes the norm
silent urchin
patch is not global, remix servers turning on is
warm topaz
not May 7th, just Panda remix
silent urchin
I suspect there's a lot of work before global patches could work
upper pasture
oh
vernal juniper
2 weeks ago, ez https://i.imgur.com/rnhfSy7.png
upper pasture
i see
i feel like a lot of people called the 3 weeks after S4 starts is likely when remix would drop.
vernal juniper
i feel like a lot of people called the 3 weeks after S4 starts is likely when re...
they changed from beewikly to weekly 3 days ago
upper pasture
yeah still tho, we had weekly rotations in SLs fated. which is why a lot of us felt we were getting weekly again in DF.
candid ruin
Should be 8-9 weeks from when 10.2.7 drops, so July 2nd/9th Prepatch
thin warren
deep pawn
Nah, remix lasts til August 19
candid ruin
they will overlap
clear apex
Yeah if they keep their 6-8 weeks they'll do it before then.
candid ruin
10.2.7 lasting 16 weeks would be insane and unheard of this expansion
pulsar minnow
Eh. It wouldn’t be a shock to have one content “drought” for the pre expansion lull
Tho I’m hoping for a July pre patch. They seem to be ahead of schedule compared to past alphas
deep pawn
I'd prefer July prepatch and August expansion too but everything points to September for expansion
candid ruin
I think there is a zero precent chance they let 10.2.7 go for 16 weeks without hinting that would be the case
clear apex
Their timeline does have tww for 'summer' and summer is June-... early September
candid ruin
Late Aug, Early sept for TWW for sure
clear apex
So if they did prepatch mid Aug then they'd likely not make the summer release
Also means beta should be here in June
clear apex
Are you talking prepatch or launch
Cause it shows pre patch in summer and launch as late summer/ very early fall
pulsar minnow
Either way, beta probably late june/july. So I’m not too worried about content
Personally
warm topaz
I'd prefer July prepatch and August expansion too but everything points to Septe...
give devs time
deep pawn
August prepatch after remix ends, September expansion
And like others said, 3 months between last patch and prepatch is technically the shortest ever even if this is is all redo and recolor content
When did 10.2 come out?
warm topaz
november 30th?
upper pasture
nov 7th
zealous sedge
I would also like to note one of the dev interviews said that depending on feedback in alpha/ beta they might pushback their internal dates because they “want to get it right”
I just want 3 months of remix
clear apex
3 months would give people the time to farm all that bronze
deep pawn
So this still is an 11 month final raid so they haven't sped up a ton
upper pasture
do we even know how much bronze we're getting at max level and or heroic raids?
upper pasture
so likely it picks up at max level, 3 months might be a super long time to collect all the things
zealous sedge
Think we will get an another ptr testing weeked for remix? It’s technically still 3.5 weeks til launch
upper pasture
granted 3 month will probably be "too short" for some or "too long" for others
zealous sedge
100%. I fully expect the grind to be longer than plunderstorm. But probably more fun lol
clear apex
Think they said the speed up is after tww launch and in an interview ... Maria? Said something about all this wrapping up in less than 6 years
Sorry if that was behind the convo discord was not loading right
upper pasture
she said she wouldn't swear to it being faster but they are aiming to be faster.
clear apex
I like the idea of that but i know some raiders don't want to lose a tier
So i hope they get some kind of compensation type thing to fill that void
zealous sedge
I don’t think blizz will ever go to less than 3 raid tiers per xpac
clear apex
Prolly not
upper pasture
honestly i like this balance of 3 tiers then fated/new stuff to fill the gap
zealous sedge
I like it too
upper pasture
i wouldn't say no to mini raids coming back inbetween tiers tho
clear apex
I might try to raid in tww cause i like the mogs enough
zealous sedge
I know some people really do not like fated/ awakened because they want something new. But if they keep doing things like remix then I’m cool with it.
clear apex
I did the remix ptr and loved it so i hope so
zealous sedge
Also this is just complete speculation but I can’t see The last Titan being only 3 raid tiers tbh. It’s the “Finale” of this story arc of WoW going all the way back to WC3.
clear apex
I'm anxious but excited over the idea of a saga ending what we know of wow.
Makes me think of what ff14 did with endwalker
zealous sedge
Same… I do not think we are ever gonna get a “WoW 2.0” but I’m confident Blizz can make an engaging and accessible “ending” of this chapter. My thought is we are gonna go explore the universe and battle against whatever forces are really pulling the strings and the last titan xpac is just the beginning of that new storyline… It’s gonna be Orcs in Space, baby!
deep pawn
Blizzard writers aren't nearly that skilled nor are they allowed to be cinematic enough to pull it off
tropic trail
These cinematics are like therapy sessions lately.
clear apex
But muh metzen
Yeah i like df overall but the exposition kills me
It seems to be a massive problem in books and movies lately and now extending into games
tepid fiber
It's been in games since gaming wdym
Being able to pick up a new title without previous context and having exposition to enter the material has been a design focus for decades, my dude
Plus with declining media literacy, more exposition and context needs to be delivered than ever before
clear apex
Exposition is one thing but being blatant like your audience is 5 years old is what's bad
That and the dialogue is not how people speak to each other in real life. It feels awkward
tropic trail
That and the dialogue is not how people speak to each other in real life. It fe...
You notice that they speak very slow?
clear apex
That's why people hated the cinematics for the dragons at the end when they're explaining family
clear apex
You notice that they speak very slow?
Yes, and i dislike that too
Most people don't even talk to their children that way t.t
tepid fiber
So, what, it makes you feel like you're being spoken down to? 🤔
clear apex
Unless they're 3
clear apex
So, what, it makes you feel like you're being spoken down to? 🤔
It feels the writers think I'm 5
I'm playing a game aimed at older teens, not blues clues
tepid fiber
tbf I think most of the playerbase is in their 30's
clear apex
Im mid 30s so maybe that's why i feel this way
deep pawn
Perhaps the lip flaps don't look good faster
tepid fiber
I think you're thinking into it too much but 🤷
tropic trail
Haha
clear apex
I think you're thinking into it too much but 🤷
Im def not the only one who was irritated at the info dumps
tepid fiber
Alright, but what if you were a new player who was not only playing WoW for the first time but MMO's or fantasy settings in general?
Like, I recently had to explain to someone what an orc was
clear apex
But I'm really into reading and storytelling so that's a large focus for me in games/rpgs
tepid fiber
Not orc lore, just what an orc is
upper pasture
but also, isn't defining more lore is like what everyone wants?
tepid fiber
But I'm really into reading and storytelling so that's a large focus for me in g...
Okay, but more than just you plays the game
upper pasture
so like all these "stay awhile and listen" help expand that?
tepid fiber
Each new expansion has to be made with new players in mind as well
clear apex
Stay a while and listen is a good thing, i like those.
I'm talking about the cringe cinematics
tepid fiber
I recommend playing old content sometime
upper pasture
like which ones tho? cause iirc we had some bangers in DF
like leagues above all the older stuff
clear apex
"Yknow how you just spent hours leveling and the dragonflights were powerless kinda? Let's reiterate that all over again by explaining it to you like you're 5 and didn't pay any attention"
upper pasture
AND you have to be mindful that not all of the things are going to be appealing to you
tepid fiber
Don't let nostalgia ruin your opinion--what we have now is leagues ahead of what we used to have
tropic trail
clear apex
I thought the legion cinematics were pretty good and there are good ones in DF as well.
(I have been playing since cata)
Some are just huge misses
deep pawn
A long cutscene for WoW is 2 minutes. That's a mid quest moment for ff14
tepid fiber
AND you have to be mindful that not all of the things are going to be appealing ...
Exactly. I'm a goblin main, generally prefer Horde, and like gnomes and dwarves out of anything else the Alliance has. Am I gonna get pissy about night elves getting content if it's not for me? No, of course not, because tons of people play this game and enjoy different stuff in it for different reasons. I like that the night elf fans get something that makes them happy
tropic trail
Yea, I love Legion cinematics 😂
rain cave
A long cutscene for WoW is 2 minutes. That's a mid quest moment for ff14
quality > quantity don't forget though
tepid fiber
I've been rewatching Legion cinematics and good lord so many can be so stiff, with the weird lip flapping compared to modern content, models just spinning in place instead of the character turning, etc
clear apex
Nelves getting so much content i feel bad for horde
rain cave
just because something is longer doesn't mean better
upper pasture
https://youtu.be/FtD6DRmO_RU?si=_6hZahH2uOO02B1W
is this supposed to be an example as a bad cutscene?
rain cave
FF14 doesn't have near as much story pull as WoW does
tropic trail
is this supposed to be an example as a bad cutscene?
Yea.
tepid fiber
is this supposed to be an example as a bad cutscene?
Like for real this is some good shit
clear apex
FF14 doesn't have near as much story pull as WoW does
Honestly it gets kinda boring and i never could get emotionally invested
rain cave
Honestly it gets kinda boring and i never could get emotionally invested
final fantasy as a franchise is not renowned for its lore lmao
it's basically the CoD of fantasy games as far as I can tell
clear apex
final fantasy as a franchise is not renowned for its lore lmao
It's not that it's really just i don't feel. Like, i have zero reason to care about the npcs
rain cave
well the only iconic character they've had in all of the 16+ games has been cloud and sephiroth 💀 all the others aren't remembered at all
clear apex
Oh i many ff14 spec
tepid fiber
it's basically the CoD of fantasy games as far as I can tell
This applies to every single Final Fantasy except for Tactics: War of the Lions and nothing can change my mind
tropic trail
https://tenor.com/view/nicollette-sheridan-edie-britt-desperate-housewives-ccg-c...
Compared to a legion entry cinematics, or wrathgate, or even by my hand, which were much better.
clear apex
Fft games are the best imo
tepid fiber
Compared to a legion entry cinematics, or wrathgate, or even by my hand, which w...
I defy you to redo that cutscene but better.
upper pasture
kaelcgos being passed the proverbial torch from the old aspect and being reassured he can be the leader his people need him to be
clear apex
No ff14 cinematic ever made me misty eyed like wow has
rain cave
This applies to every single Final Fantasy except for Tactics: War of the Lions ...
ye, with that analogy I do also mean that individual entries can be good. Like some of the CoD games actually have some decent story moments, but overall as a franchise it's all over the place to the point people don't really follow it
upper pasture
i just feel like you "like" rpgs but you don't really like rpgs
tepid fiber
No ff14 cinematic ever made me misty eyed like wow has
Fucking NPC ambient dialogue gets me sometimes and I've been to war 
tepid fiber
ye, with that analogy I do also mean that individual entries can be good. Like s...
Yes exactly
tropic trail
Haha, wouldn’t mind a bit of action. Less words 😌
rain cave
FF14 is limited by its scope as well, because when FF14 ends, it's not like it's going to continue into a new game with continued lore. they'll probably just make something new
which is fine, all things end
clear apex
Ff17 online
rain cave
but Warcraft has crossed games
tepid fiber
God, and starting the game with amnesia? What an exposition copout
rain cave
thralls been with us since 2003 💀
tepid fiber
There has only ever been ONE game to pull off starting with amnesia and half of y'all wouldn't appreciate it
clear apex
Which
rain cave
which game out of curiosity
tepid fiber
Goddamn Chris Avellone masterpiece Planescape: Torment
rain cave
ah yeah, I wanted to play that at some point
rain cave
but my issue with those styles of old games is they're designed like a turn based game but the combat is real time
e.g. pillars of eternity, neverwinter nights
tepid fiber
Planescape: Torment isn't about the gameplay, the gameplay is honestly mid if not ass at best
rain cave
drives me insane when all I can really do is either pause every half second or just resort to a slap fest
tepid fiber
It's the setting, atmosphere, story, quests, dialogue, the MUSIC good god the music
upper pasture
doesn't just about every game of that genre start off with some amazing cutscene and then "oops you lost all your powers and memories, now go remember who you are"
deep pawn
You don't have amnesia in 14. You have momentary confusion cause of too much magic in the air haha
tepid fiber
Plus you can avoid most of the combat with RP anyway
clear apex
Nah bg1 didn't. You just start weak
rain cave
You don't have amnesia in 14. You have momentary confusion cause of too much ma...
when I tried it my dude just got off the carriage at a town
tepid fiber
You don't have amnesia in 14. You have momentary confusion cause of too much ma...
Don't you start the game literally in a world where everyone has amnesia and doesn't remember the history of the world?
deep pawn
No
clear apex
If you mean ff14, no its not amnesia
deep pawn
There's a pivotal moment they all know happened but trying to think of the people involved just makes them see people in bright light and they can't be seen exactly.
tepid fiber
doesn't just about every game of that genre start off with some amazing cutscene...
PS:T does it waaay differently and it's so good. You wake up in a mortuary on a slab with a journal written on your back and a floating skull who talks like a Brooklyn hustler it's perfect
tepid fiber
There's a pivotal moment they all know happened but trying to think of the peopl...
This just sounds like amnesia with extra steps
deep pawn
Amnesia means you as a character has forgotten who you are I feel and your character is just whatever you want it to be. The devs have deliberately left it open to what you did before you became an adventurer
clear apex
The warrior of light just isn't remembered. Yeah?
Like no one knows what they look like so they just... don't know
deep pawn
Unless you're specifically a 1.0 player then it is slightly different
clear apex
You get that fancy tattoo
deep pawn
And a slightly different cutscene at the end of 2.0
clear apex
Oh that's cool
tepid fiber
"I'm a warrior of Light!"
"Then why'd you have to cast that magic missile at the darkness?"
deep pawn
Only the 1.0 players are actually those original warriors of light
It's a bit weird but each players char is their own canon story
clear apex
Yeah it's much less "you and other heroes" and more of "you're the savior and you sometimes have help"
deep pawn
Regardless I much prefer 14's willingness to let cutscenes be long and have scene changes even
tepid fiber
So, fellas, pals, amigos, siblings from other diddlings; I have the important question:
So how about firing that cannon in Bilgewater Harbor, eh? You feeling it to?
deep pawn
And 14 has made me ugly cry much much more than WoW ever has
tepid fiber
Not with that attitude
clear apex
So, fellas, pals, amigos, siblings from other diddlings; I have the important qu...
"Diddlings" i need eye bleach
deep pawn
"is that Turalyon's theme I hear?"
tepid fiber
Oh yeah, sibling from another diddling is my gender-neutral brother from another mother
deep pawn
Regardless I pray Turalyon gets nowhere near Beledar
clear apex
Do you think they really killed Dadgar?
tropic trail
I hope not
upper pasture
naw
clear apex
I think he's been kidnapped bc why not, or they just didn't find him
tropic trail
He could iceblock or use portal.
upper pasture
Xal proly took him for X reason
tepid fiber
I think he'll come back later in the Worldsoul Saga as Khadgar the White and help us lead the charge into the Black City
clear apex
Wasnt it nobbel that had a video on that recently
deep pawn
And has the knowledge of Karazhan in his head
tropic trail
I can’t believe they blew up Dalaran.
deep pawn
The void and the legion have both wanted him for a long time
clear apex
I can’t believe they blew up Dalaran.
I can! 
deep pawn
They needed an excuse to build it bigger and better for 13.0
tepid fiber
tbf Tony Amendola is also, like, 72 and might just want to retire
upper pasture
im just glad we get some pretty sweet mogs and weapons from it
clear apex
tbf Tony Amendola is also, like, 72 and might just want to retire
Damn what?!
deep pawn
Calling it now 11.2.5 will involve us rebuilding the city
upper pasture
they've rebuilt it before without our help they can do it again
tropic trail
Well, if they gonna rebuild it same as it is in Warcraft movie then sure. 😂
upper pasture
lazy mages
deep pawn
Where else are we gonna make our base for the finale of this saga
clear apex
Wonder how fast mages can build a city
tropic trail
With magic 🪄 quite quick.
tepid fiber
Nice voice for an old guy
He's been an old guy with a nice voice for literally decades, he's a unit
clear apex
https://tenor.com/view/bratac-stargate-gif-23078758
That's him?
tropic trail
It’s like in Harry Potter house cleaning.
tepid fiber
upper lantern
It took them between Frozen Throne and WotLK to rebuild Dalaran and get it operational, so...
clear apex
Time to watch ... star gate?
deep pawn
Wooo totemic is gonna have new totems
tepid fiber
Nothing quite like watching Khadgar kick MacGyver's ass
clear apex
It took them between Frozen Throne and WotLK to rebuild Dalaran and get it opera...
Be cool if they took a note from ff14 and had a huge rebuilding event where people gather and craft items for the "workers"
upper pasture
didn't the OG mage tower have that?
clear apex
Waitaminute... maybe that's a good reason they added the work orders from npcs
upper pasture
everyone "helped" by doing things in that zone to help the zone pick one of the three things?
clear apex
Less just "give currency to this npc" but actually craft items
upper pasture
yes
upper pasture
you have to do each of the challenges
clear apex
I need to do it
upper pasture
no, it's always up
tropic trail
Ok. Nice. I wasn’t playing for real since shadowlands.
upper pasture
yeah, when it came back it was like that for like a few months or weeks then everyone complained and it got turned on indefinitely
tepid fiber
Oh yeah that's right
It was just after/with Korthia, right? That's when responses to player feedback got better too
And after that we also got tier sets back
Truly it was the morning twilight
clear apex
Ok. Nice. I wasn’t playing for real since shadowlands.
My condolences
SL. Broke me. WoD almost did but...
tropic trail
Yea same. The ending was terrible.
uncut vault
didn't the OG mage tower have that?
That was a lot more basic and still ultimately a combat thing, for a temporary structure
The firmament and soon cosmic exploration are profession-based side stories, where your progress permanently contributes to building up a region of the world
A closer comparison is original Isle of Quel’danas, where server contributions permanently unlocked different regions of the island in stages
upper pasture
A closer comparison is original Isle of Quel’danas, where server contributions p...
oh yeah i forgot about that. it's been so long lol
if they did something akin to that nowadays people would complain and say things like "blizzard is time gating us"
uncut vault
Well, not if they do it smartly and introduce it alongside a regular main outdoor piece of content haha
And not the relative nothingburger that 7.2 broken shore was
deep pawn
The mage tower is likely going to go away again at prepatch and hopefully they retune it for 80 after that
ember blaze
The mage tower is likely going to go away again at prepatch and hopefully they r...
gonna be even more brain dead easy then
talents made it a breeze, now add hero talents 
ember blaze
I never figured out how to live the melee mage fight
the one dude who creates a bunch of clones?
then u gotta kill some dude that spreads stuff on the ground?
ember blaze
between dh and warrior, i found arms to be way easier to do it with
upper pasture
that's the dps DH one too yeah?
ember blaze
and to meet the dps check just get unbridled fury pots and a drum
and save it for that last dude
deep pawn
it's havoc, frost, fury, and... survival?
I had nearly finished the MW challenge and just stopped caring about the book
I've only done twins and the tank challenge
ember blaze
@deep pawn arms
fury does the demon lady
u can leap all the prisons
spell reflect on top of kick
good sustain
u can buy bfa greens with sockets
fury pots, drums,
and the poop trinket from that dragon on emerald nightmare
deep pawn
I need to do the disc priest challenge some day
upper pasture
I kinda wish with S4 tier sets they gave us a bronze/infinite color version :/
glass flicker
Something gives me the feeling Xal'Atath will get as many simps as Sylvanas did in Shadowlands.
tepid fiber
There have been people calling her Knaifu Waifu since Legion and almost lost their shit when she showed up again heavily in BFA. She's likely such a good pick for major antagonist moving forward because of her popularity in community feedback
glass flicker
I call her Bae Blade.
Then again, my feelings towards Xal'Atath are like that Johnny Bravo scene.
"Mama warned me about women like you. I was hoping she was right."
zealous sedge
I find it very interesting that the S4 rollover is already in effect for certain things
tropic trail
Johnny Bravo is best. 😂
zealous sedge
they were clear s3 ended at 10pm PDT
Oh I didn’t read that anywhere that makes sense. People were mad in the comments haha.
lone mantle
We must be ever watchful for corruption. Even here in this realm. 
warm topaz
in Discord? yeah sometimes lol
upper pasture
guess there's your answer
clear apex
Im still confused how my night elf got to do heritage armor since they said using a race potion can take that away.
She was made as a nelf back in mop, then a worgen for a few years, then back to nelf in Legion.
uncut vault
That’s only for allied race heritage, core race heritage just requires being level 50
clear apex
Oooooooooh
Ok. I did not know this
novel zodiac
wait, but how do you complete the quests if you cant leave pandaria?
novel zodiac
oh, so it just says that characters leveled in Remix will be elegible to do them after the event ends?
makes sense
fast gate
When the remix hits, might level a few toons, just to get their heritage armors... hmm... but which ones
novel zodiac
depending how fast is it, i might level 40 characters to 70 lmao
gotta get them ready in case there's a new community soup in TWW
tepid fiber
Pretty sure it's faster just to hit level 50 in retail now
Because then you have to wait for remix to end still
tepid fiber
They don't even have a questline to do, you just turn it in to your racial leader at 45/50
No rep required even
No rep required for core races either anymore
glass flicker
Hmm.
tepid fiber
It is way faster to just unlock heritage armor right now on live than it will be during Remix
glass flicker
Guess I'll just have to wait and see, 'cause unless you explain in "for dummies" terms, I won't get it. xD
tepid fiber
Now faster and easier, later longer and harder
novel zodiac
Pretty sure it's faster just to hit level 50 in retail now
well yes, but if pandaria is faster to level when the cloak is maxed, it still worth it, because im so done with retail leveling after 15 characters maxed
tepid fiber
Heritage armor now, good! Heritage armor later, bad!
upper pasture
i mean it's faster now since you can do it now, i'd argue that it's less work later just more waiting
tepid fiber
well yes, but if pandaria is faster to level when the cloak is maxed, it still w...
The longest part of leveling rn in retail is 60-70 but you don't need that for heritage armors
novel zodiac
maintenance just got extended 1 hour
glass flicker
maintenance just got extended 1 hour
As it often does. 
novel zodiac
The longest part of leveling rn in retail is 60-70 but you don't need that for h...
yeah i know that is fast, but its boring to do draenor 10 times
upper pasture
i see no update on launcher?
clear apex
No i mean non allied **
Non allied races will take longer to get heritage bc you can't leave to go get your quest
tepid fiber
yeah i know that is fast, but its boring to do draenor 10 times
Then don't do Draenor, it's not really any faster than other expansions anymore since it was patched, like, three months after people declared it being fastest
tepid fiber
Non allied races will take longer to get heritage bc you can't leave to go get y...
Allied races will be just as long because you still need to turn it in outside of Pandaria
upper pasture
oof there it is
clear apex
Allied races will be just as long because you still need to turn it in *outside ...
Oooh damn
glass flicker
I still like the freedom Cataclysm leveling offers. You can go pretty much anywhere in the Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor. But modern leveling is generally more intuitive since it's more recent.
tepid fiber
Any character you're leveling in Remix is going to have to wait until the end of Remix to unlock their heritage armors
clear apex
Getting to 50 isn't that bad right now either. A few dungeons and questing you'd have it done quickly. I did 30-50 recently and very causally in 3 days
And during certain time walking just do quests in that expac
novel zodiac
got extended again
tropic trail
You need to level from zero in remix?
subtle oar
You need to level from zero in remix?
10-70
novel zodiac
nope