beta-ptr-spoilers

[upper pasture]

this one

[dense plover]

damn

i love the class fantasy for some of these

[upper pasture]

yeah that's a dope set

[dense plover]

looks like the new earthen have a cool shaman totem model

other better option

[clear apex]

This paladin? I don't hate it

[dense plover]

new evil mushroom guys!

[clear apex]

Yessss

[proper palm]

I realy want this shoulder hahaha

[clear apex]

Omg is purple and gold 💜

[dense plover]

looks like a new type of kythraxxi?

[pulsar minnow]

theres underwater caves

[dense plover]

WOAH

[dense plover]

yeah there are

[pulsar minnow]

besides the nerubians, the Arathi deal with weird underwater creatures from the caves

[dense plover]

LOOK AT THESE

[pulsar minnow]

yeah

[clear apex]

this stuff looks so cool i can't

[dense plover]

its like if the murloc evolution to jinyu went evil

[pulsar minnow]

probably gonna lead into a future zone

[dense plover]

candle person

oooo - new type of golem enemy - looks like it uses the crystal golem skeleton but has a face!

wax golem

[pulsar minnow]

these guys are really interesting

they're in a couple dungeons

[dense plover]

other dwarven mech

[proper palm]

Candle vs void

[dense plover]

not sure what to think of them

could be drogbar adjacent

oh shit - look whats back on azeroth from draenor

or it just shares a skeleton

not sure

it looks like a gronn tho

feels too intentional to just be a case of reusing the skeleton

[little hound]

Literally same creatures from Draenor just new model / face

[dense plover]

wonder where they came from

there were some gronn on azeroth'

but i thought they were extinct

[little hound]

Those aren't Gronn.

They are more primal version, Breaker i think they're calle.

Magnaron.

[dense plover]

stone-grass sheep!

[dense plover]

still

theyre supposed to be extinct on azeroth

where did they come from?

[little hound]

Magnaron never existed on Azeroth, so they'll probably have some lore made up in War Within.

[proper palm]

I want to see old paladin mount (blue silver red) horse update (bottle in the sea )

[unreal garnet]

paladin set is soo crap they forgot the helmet

[dense plover]

could be that the magnaron were a titan creation

the titans DID visit draenor

it just didnt stick

[clear apex]

Ahhhhh it's purple! ❤️

[little hound]

I know

[dense plover]

interesting that only a piece of dalaran is fallen - where is the rest?

[little hound]

The Titans made the Magnaron or, the "Breaker" that became the Magnaron, to battle the Botani Hivemind

[subtle oar]

They were, by Aggramar on Draenor when he saw Life was consuming the planet

[little hound]

Maybe in the sea.

[dense plover]

oh interesting - i wonder why they also did the same on azeroth?

[subtle oar]

It was only Aggramar. He was the one that discovered Draenor when he was looking for Azeroth and saw the Hive Mounds and Life consuming the planet.

[dense plover]

new capital city has a trading post, so you dont have to return to org/SW

[little hound]

Not even sure the titans did it. Why they suddenly are on Azeroth, we'll find out.

[little hound]

Oo dats nice

[dense plover]

new chest model too

for tenders

[subtle oar]

I mean, canonnically Botani escaped into the Barrens so who's to say some of them didn't either?

[dense plover]

dornogal in general seems MUCH bigger than valdrakken

considering its built with dynamic flying in mind, that makes sense

looks like theres a BMAH too

[little hound]

Yeeeah it explains the Genesaur. But then again: both Genesaur and Magnaron are ANCIENT Beings, they aren't simply hand-made over 3-4-5 Years.

So..

Maybe they found a primal power source or somthin

[dense plover]

seems huge

[dense plover]

or theyve been there for thousands of years and have been woken up

[little hound]

There's never been confirmed Botani presence on Azeroth until the Mag'har came over. Nor are they lorewise natives on Azeroth.

[dense plover]

botani arent there

theres a genesaur and a magnaron

at least in the pics

[clear apex]

There's some videos and it is huge
Rivals valdrakken

[little hound]

And the Botani MADE the Genesaur, i'm connecting the lore dots

[glass flicker]

[dense plover]

seems bigger

the alpha appears to be very far along btw - the fact that it has many load screens already done says a lot

[glass flicker]

Suramar would be the best capital city if it actually had thought put into it aside from being a questing zone.

[dense plover]

also looks like rexxar might be another delve follower at some point?

[glass flicker]

Maybe it's just me, but I kinda like the more claustrophobic streets of Gilneas and Suramar. Don't like these super open hubs.

[dense plover]

no model yet, but looks like there might be a stone/grass deer too

looks like the new flightstones are called "Valorstones"

also new crests are called "Harbinger Crests"

[glass flicker]

I like that new name.

Then again, I'm the one who's convert most resources from past expansions into "Legacy"

[dense plover]

new reps - Council of Dornogal and Hallowfall Arathi

also new branch of the artisan's consortium

looks like theyre keeping the enchanting system from DF

[glass flicker]

Did they add any new engineering goggles for us nerds?

[dense plover]

more reps - The Assembly of the Deeps, The Severed Threads

[dense plover]

prof equipment and gear and recipes come later

[glass flicker]

D'oh.

[dense plover]

also some rep named "The General (Notoriety) and The Weaver (Notoriety)", these might be individuals we gain rep with

possible new profession stat or currency - Concentration

[glass flicker]

Any of these factions you can be at war with?

[dense plover]

literally no way to tell

[glass flicker]

Oh.

[dense plover]

new harbinger crest tiers - Carved (Mythic +6-10), Gilded (+16 and higher), Runed (+11-15), Weathered (up to +5)

so in order, weathered, carved, runed, gilded

those tiers make sense to me

some type of delve key currency for rare and epic chests

i assume these are either something you get as loot, something you buy with currency or have a weekly limit

another new currency "Undercoin" - probably the delve currency

also this Resonance Crystals (New) - Formed by the energies of the worldsoul interacting with the stone in and beneath Khaz Algar, these revered items are used to purchase items unlocked from renown.

idk what to think about here

[glass flicker]

Didn't they announce that Delves will be a random reward from open world activities, or something, so you can't exactly spam them like m+ and ruin them the same way?

[dense plover]

they mentioned you would have some choice

and they would rotate

we dont know a ton about the rewards

but the keys are clear

Delve Rare Key (New) - Opens a Rare Treasure Chest within a Bountiful Delve.```

with a Bountiful Delve appearing capitalized, it likely means its significant in some way

[candid ruin]

keys are also tied to renown (at the moment)

[dense plover]

interestingly - normal difficulty description has changed

Normal Scaling (1-5) - Name changed from "Normal" to "Normal Scaling (1-5)".

[dense plover]

AH - this is because apparently delves have their own reward track thats using a renown system

so instead of being limited to the vault, which i believe they ARE used for

[candid ruin]

Yeah they said something about needing to be renown 10 to create keys or something

[dense plover]

it will also have a renown track

another rep - Order of Night

[candid ruin]

[dense plover]

Severed Threads seems to be something to do with the City of Threads - might end up similar to suramar where we progressively unlock stuff

"Azj-Kahetti Nerubian (Always Hostile) (Hidden) (New) - Controls creature behavior for always hostile Nerubians. Acts like Monster, but other Nerubians won't attack (even if friendly to the player). Use on most nerubian enemies."

"The Siegehold (New) - Controls creature behavior in the Siegehold POI of Azj-Kahet. ONLY USED IN LEVEL UP CAMPAIGN CH 2.
The Skeins (New) - Controls creature behavior in The Skeins of the City of Threads."

[tropic trail]

i'm really excited to see and explore the new capital city.

as much as valdrakken looks nice and is a massive improvement on oribos, i don't feel a need or really want to spend much time in it whilst i did with boralus

[deep pawn]

One interview suggests delves give rewards up to mythic 5

[dense plover]

looks like we might be returning to argus for some reason

[deep pawn]

I don't know if that is myth track or +5 keystones

[dense plover]

a bunch of weird hidden changes there

might just be related to revisting the dungeon?

like as part of one of the mythic seasons

might be nothing

dont overthink my thoughts here

[deep pawn]

It's long speculated we're gonna see broken customization

Plus we might be learning from an already corrupted world soul

[dense plover]

Tip: Have a Binds when equipped item you can�t equip, but want to collect the appearance? Try right clicking or dragging it to your character menu looks like this is how theyre handling unlock Transmog for BoE

[signal bone]

I hope the renown rewards have only 1 currency to use for them

like 10.1 / 10.2

and not other random shit

[dense plover]

Delve Names: Deepwalker Hold, Earthcrawl Mines, Fungal Folly, Kriegval's Rest, Mycomancer Cavern, Nightfall Sanctum, Skittering Breach, Tak-Rethan Abyss, The Dread Pit, The Sinkhole, The Spiral Weave, The Waterworks, Xev'zikk's Lair (This one might be special since its only in the list once)

13 total

oh city of threads is a dungeon

i mightve been wrong with my earlier assumption

[candid ruin]

these are the known ones

[dense plover]

looks like two new holidays are planned - currently both labeled unknown with no further details

[dense plover]

only one missing is the last one

confirming my thoughts its special

[candid ruin]

if Xev'zikk's Lair is a delve then you're right

[dense plover]

i hope they add more to the zones that dont have many

[dense plover]

its listed as a delve

looks like gem colors are back - Ruby, Sapphire, Onyx, Citrine, Amber

Also some other colors, burgundy, silver, gold, teal

idk what those are for

theyre all tagged as item name descriptions

theres also a thing called "Omen Crafted" which might be like the spark thing from DF where you are limited to one

also another similar one called "Progress Crafted"

[cedar rapids]

?? Half elf ear customisations ?

[dense plover]

looks like we are getting a good amount of leveling campaign scenarios too

idk if theyre queued like pandaria or not

but they have roles

also we are definitely returning the the Chamber of Heart

its got a new map area

ah, there is an area in Hallowfall called The Undersea - that might be the big underwater area

new dracthyr scenario? maybe to explain new classes or as a new intro?

[candid ruin]

didn't we beat the sundered flame

[dense plover]

this is interesting

[dense plover]

thats part of why this is strange

[candid ruin]

hmmm

[dense plover]

these seem fun

so does this

and these

some kind of enormous theater performance

[candid ruin]

holy

[dense plover]

yeah i have no idea

[silent urchin]

It seems to be like a weekly event or something

[dense plover]

i assume it picks a few

[silent urchin]

there's a cache you can earn from it

[dense plover]

and yes, probably

seems similar to the one in zaralek or the dream one

[silent urchin]

also a number of quest starter thingies to perform new plays

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=217013/expert-actors-chest https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=217012/novice-actors-chest etc

presumably acting invovles beating a lot of things up

[dense plover]

yeah i assume the memory things are from that

[deep pawn]

Perhaps helping Dagran research

Besides Thrall's kids he's the youngest notable character and he didn't live through many of these events

[silent urchin]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=219384/tenir-and-the-order-of-night this was the quest item I saw for it

although doesn't seem related to any of the text, so might not be

[edgy ivy]

Anyone with alpha access happen to know the answer to this? Super curious

[tulip sun]

In nobbels video he talks about the preparch event which seems to be going across the world dealing with memories of the past?

[zealous sedge]

I think they said the gear collection/ transmog will not not be retroactive

[dense plover]

they dont seem to be tagged as prepatch

[zealous sedge]

Anything you get in TWW going forward will apply to all armor types

[dense plover]

yeah it cant really BE retroactive

they would need to do a pass on old quests for that

and they might at some point but idk

[zealous sedge]

Yeah that would cost a couple raid tiers to make it retroactive lol

So much work

[upper pasture]

I think it’s with the connection of the heirloom ring being tied to memories and then these being memories of past deeds that people are assuming it’s the prepatch event. Which makes sense

[dense plover]

wait are they bringing back the heirloom ring?

[candid ruin]

Flightstones are now Valorstones lmao

[upper pasture]

It’s a new heirloom ring

[dense plover]

does it have a socket?

[upper pasture]

No?

[deep pawn]

Stones and crests were always going to continue into TWW

Kinda sucks they are still not transferable

[upper pasture]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=219325/band-of-radiant-echoes

look at the reagents to craft it. that's why people are saying the memory stuff is the prepatch event

[dense plover]

oh interesting

and its a full set

oh no wait

thats just heirlooms

no socket is lame

[ionic terrace]

[tulip sun]

Playable version for people who have alpha?

[deep pawn]

Wasn't that alpha in the title last build?

[dense plover]

yeah its coming tomorrow

build means more datamining tho i think?

[tulip sun]

Hmm

[dense plover]

so they put out a new build for ptr, but you cant play it b/c the realm is offline

[zealous sedge]

Do you think they’ll do another weekend of testing for Remix?

[dense plover]

hard to say

realms need to come up for that

https://imgur.com/aICS2DM

i love these goobers

https://imgur.com/VoXqjqd

they even got the mudskipper blink sorta right

they bulge up out of the head

[glass flicker]

Fsh.

It's a FSH.

[zealous sedge]

Haha so goofy but I love them

I gotta say all the new models are really good. The artwork is always a cornerstone for wow

[glass flicker]

Yeah, except for monks. They didn't get anything new since they updated Faeline Stomp to Jadefire Stomp.

They got time to make entirely new animations for old mounts so that they could use Dragonriding, but not update the monk animations where you can legitimately count each and every pixel.

[deep pawn]

ooof, Gamespot out here saying Hero Talents feel bad

[glass flicker]

And you believe Gamespot of all sources?

They're not exactly the peak of accuracy.

You should check Noxxic. It's pretty reliable.

(That's a joke. Don't hurt me.)

[deep pawn]

I mean I do agree that I'm gonna feel bad picking a fantasy I prefer if it's not considered good

[glass flicker]

Okay, that one is true. I really don't want to play Conduit of the Pokémons.

Rather play Shado-Pan, even if it underperforms.

[silent urchin]

Didn't they only get to play the 70-73 first zone?

[glass flicker]

They got all hero talents.

[silent urchin]

huh ok

[glass flicker]

Can talk to an NPC in the capital to enable them for testing.

[deep pawn]

I'm so excited for conduit

[glass flicker]

Why?

[deep pawn]

they got to try hero talents, 2 delves, 1 dungeon, and the surface zone.

[glass flicker]

Isn't every class available for that?

Conduit is just the Windwalker and Mistweaver one.

[deep pawn]

some specs don't have their hero talents yet, but yeah, all classes were testable I suppose

[deep pawn]

oh neat, I didn't realize the raid was already itemized and all the loot named.

that's unusual for a first alpha build

[silent urchin]

A bunch of it isn't named

But yeah, more than normal for sure

[deep pawn]

I'm still thinking September release, but maybe the August truthers are right

[glass flicker]

It would suck for me to have a summer release 'cause I'm already expecting Shadow of the Erdtree, Crowsworn, and Hades 2.

[deep pawn]

I just need a solid 4-6 weeks between Dawntrail and this

[blazing granite]

I wonder if Faerin will essentially be Aerin 2.0 for Anduin this expansion, as in it will be a comparison brought up by Anduin directly

I mean, the books are getting integrated into the game's story quite heavily lately

And their names being only one letter in difference doesn't help

[glass flicker]

Reminds me of Arthas and that quel'dorei mage, Aethas.

Or how Valeera Sanguinar has an imposter Green Drake named Valeera in Dragon Soul.

How about the fact that Blackhand has no first name, but his sons, Dal'Rend and Maim use Blackhand as a surname?

[severe oxide]

Blackhand has a first name, it's just a really, really embarrassing one so he's told no one

[glass flicker]

I don't buy it.

[severe oxide]

If you were named Melvin Eggbert Blackhand I'm sure you'd shorten it as well when you become Warchief

[austere gazelle]

august will most likely be the prepatch

[plain violet]

Beledar spawn...

Maybe this will interest @uncut vault ?

[edgy ivy]

This image is showing the Throne of Kil'jaeden in AU Draenor, right?

[silent urchin]

Not exactly. It's the same rock formation, but it's reused inside the Telogrus Rift

[edgy ivy]

Ah

[signal bone]

what time is alpha up?

[silent urchin]

Doubt anyone knows

it's up whenever blizz get it up

[ionic terrace]

we're still waiting on the catalog update

but since the build was already pushed i feel it'll be quick

[upper pasture]

If I had to wager a guess I’d say 1pm est no?

[ionic terrace]

mhm

[warm topaz]

dude Holly Longdale is the 🐐

i love how she is and how she cares deeply for the game

[austere gazelle]

I think nostalrius incident gave a huge boost on wow team and she blossomed from it

It motivated them to make classic and she rose to power through her dedication toward the game

[subtle oar]

Why

[halcyon plank]

How many toons can be in a warband?

[granite flame]

All of them are, only 4 show up on the login screen

[silent urchin]

you can move them around on the login screen at any time tho

[halcyon plank]

Ok, good! sighs in altaholic

Ok, so that screen is basically a "favorites".

[granite flame]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24061008/the-war-within-warbands-preview

Err, this was the article

[halcyon plank]

For the love of god. I read through all of the official preview post and some how missed the first under the image in Blizz's blue post.

[clear apex]

Gonna be weird seeing my toons on one screen at the same time

[open bridge]

My characters are going to fight for a spot in my top 4 like it's Myspace

[dense plover]

It won’t stay at 4 forever

They already said they’re looking to increase it after launch

Plus they also want additional backgrounds

I’m hoping they add backgrounds to achievements or the trading post

[clear apex]

I think it was signs of kelani mentioned they're working on getting backgrounds and music you can unlock, so I'm curious

[dense plover]

I didn’t see anything about music

I doubt they’ll do music

[quartz lintel]

I hope we get the class Paladin for the Kul'tiran, look the arathi set on them, absolutely I N S A N E

[clear apex]

Music wouldn't be that difficult i don't think

[dense plover]

Arathi set is for all plate classes

[clear apex]

I hate that paladin is scarlet crusade looking

[dense plover]

Not difficult, I just don’t see them doing it because the login music is iconic

[dense plover]

It isn’t tho

[quartz lintel]

Yes but imagine a paladin Kul'tiran, could be fucking good

[dense plover]

Paladin is the big winged armor set

[quartz lintel]

Playing Nicholas from Plague Tales

[dense plover]

This is just one of the 4 colors of the hallowfall zone plate armor

[clear apex]

Whaddya mean doesn't look like it? It has the emblem

[dense plover]

That’s not the Paladin armor

Like - factually

[clear apex]

Login music also gets tiresome after 18 months

[dense plover]

It’s the zone armor for plate wearers

[clear apex]

The one from the trading post was paladin armor though

[quartz lintel]

The paladin set is different

very... different

[dense plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-1-paladin-tier-set-appearance-preview-coming-in-the-war-within-338862

[quartz lintel]

for the worst

[dense plover]

This is the paladin set

[clear apex]

I'm talking about the posted image

[dense plover]

I like it

[clear apex]

Not the new one

[dense plover]

That’s just world plate armor

The one posted

[quartz lintel]

Yes

[clear apex]

This was the paladin set from tp

[quartz lintel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/outdoor-arathor-armor-and-weapon-models-in-the-war-within-338825?webhook

[dense plover]

It’s based on it since they’re Arathi

[clear apex]

Yeah and i hate that it looks like scarlet crusade

[dense plover]

It doesn’t have the emblem

And this is only one of the colors

There are other colors

[tepid fiber]

The Scarlet Crusade don't have a trademark on the color red or the Light

[clear apex]

Not the new set

[dense plover]

What are you talking about then

[quartz lintel]

But i really think the Arathi faction is a SC wanabe

[clear apex]

I'm legit not talking about any of the new stuff. Only the one from the tp

Which i tagged the image i was referring to

The new stuff is nice.

[tepid fiber]

They're saying it looks like Scarlet Crusader stuff because it's red and the Arathi are based around the Light. A lot of people make very simple comparisons

Like yes it factually isn't, absolutely

[quartz lintel]

this one mmmmmmmmm

cant wait to farm it on my ud

[clear apex]

this one

Not the new stuff

[quartz lintel]

Dude it's just a mix of the arathi set with the Trading post shoulder pads....

[clear apex]

I'm talking about the shoulders and tabard.
I hated how paladin got the SC looking stuff from tp

That's all.

I'm aware the new set is different

[quartz lintel]

Could you have looked like a scarlet long before?
There is an npc who sells you the vanilla set of the Darkmoon faction when you wear the tabard (which is now very easy to obtain by the way)

[clear apex]

I don't think there were items aside from the tabard with blatant fire symbol on it 🤔

[tepid fiber]

Yes

[quartz lintel]

Not enough SC ?

[tepid fiber]

Aside from the tabard there aren't really mog items unique to the Scarlet Crusade. You basically see them wearing anything red or white with paladin pieces

[clear apex]

If they're the bad guys then why does the paladin tp set have that symbol on it? Always felt weird to me

Why not silver hand

[tepid fiber]

They are bad guys, and the trading post set is just cosmetic

It's not expected for all paladins to wear

[clear apex]

Seems niche

[tepid fiber]

It's very niche

But people would wear it

[clear apex]

Though i thought the very dwarven/Tauren sets for hunter was also weird

[tepid fiber]

That's not weird at all. Dwarves and tauren are heavily associated with hunters

[clear apex]

I expect a bit more generalized for a class, not racial

[tepid fiber]

Dwarves have the long-standing tradition of riflemen and mountaineers with the first dwarf in an ingame cinematic being a hunter with a bear. Tauren have an entire society and culture built around venerating hunting, hunters, and the hunt in general

[quartz lintel]

This logic also works for priests: the entire TP is strongly linked to the cults of the Old Gods, mainly N'Zoth.

[clear apex]

I find the new cloth set weird as well. Feels like a mix of pope and a certain hate group from the 50s

[tepid fiber]

Because it's also nice to include things that pay homage to styles and cultures of races in the game, not just generalized watered down cosmetics that apply to everyone

[clear apex]

That's true

[tepid fiber]

Yes that's why I said it

[quartz lintel]

The DK set also, linked to the Nerubians and Yogg-Saron.
It's just cosmetic, don't look for logic. It's like looking for logic to race/Class combinations (hello Magh'ar Warlocks)

[tepid fiber]

It's a good thing that there is a variety of styles available in the game so that people aren't just shoehorned into one watered down class fantasy

That would be boring

[quartz lintel]

Damn the Demon Hunter set is really good btwx

Aranasi vibe

[granite flame]

Shaman set is very zandalari, mage is very elven

[clear apex]

it was just one opinion on the paladin set didn't mean to start an entire discussion.
I just don't like the tp thing cause SC gives me the ick and rpers in wow sometimes use it as a very political statement

[quartz lintel]

Sin'do / Quel'do for the mage yeah

[tepid fiber]

I like that people can make themselves look like Scarlet Crusaders because it serves as an easy flag to mark them down as someone not to associate with instead of finding out they're a casual/closet racist later

[dense plover]

I like the DH set having a variant that literally uses the legion color palette

The green with the black and gold

Some of these sets NAILED class fantasy

[clear apex]

Very true

[tepid fiber]

It's always the worst when you get close to someone and find out that they suck. Let people announce to others that they suck in advance!

[clear apex]

Image Google for SC was a mistake lol

[ionic terrace]

catalog update

the right one

[austere gazelle]

Dh is not nailing class fantasy. They missed the mark on the helmet Imo. We dont need a traditional helmet since it can cover Dh's eyes, like most of the dh set did

This helmet looks silly

It looks more like Neltharion than a DH

[ionic terrace]

now we wait for invites

[silent urchin]

what do you mean

I've been waiting for invite since yesterday :(

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1781004871329632669

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

Discover the Isle of Dorn, off the western shores of Pandaria and home to the Earthen.

Twitter · Apr 18, 2024, 5:00 PM

[pulsar minnow]

So excited for this capital

Music sounds fantastic too

[dense plover]

Not all players use the eye covering option

There are customization options for masks - forcing them to be hidden is bad

[warm topaz]

it is fucking amazing

[dense plover]

Source?

I haven’t heard any music yet

[pulsar minnow]

In the video.

[tepid fiber]

If I look at a DH set and think "this one right here hunts demons like a demon alright" then I think the set nailed the class fantasy

[dense plover]

Oh neat

[pulsar minnow]

It reminds me of how to train your dragon music

Opening sounds like test drive

[dense plover]

Harronir have cool armor

[austere gazelle]

yeah shame the DH players disagree xD
Aberrus tier set maybe, that should have been ok for the Neltharion fantasy, but here.. its mid, or bad ( I think its the helmet that give this bad vibe )

[pulsar minnow]

Harronir are definitely what became of the dark trolls right? They gotta be

[tepid fiber]

Yeah, it's a real shame that the demon hunter players don't want to look like they hunt demons

[tepid fiber]

No info, only speculation

[dense plover]

It looks like allied race is very likely - they have actually character creation support

[pulsar minnow]

I mean yeah, but like all signs point that way

[tepid fiber]

Yeah I'm just saying there are no hard facts or lore yet for your question

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I know

It was more of a rhetorical question

[dense plover]

Tbc- tuskaar have this support too

But it seems very likely that Harronir AR is happening eventually

[tepid fiber]

My bad, I thought it was a question

[pulsar minnow]

All good. My bad. Hard to get tone across via text

https://preview.redd.it/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-choice-of-allied-race-for-11-0-v0-a0ng4w1gekyb1.png?auto=webp&s=2fef529c329b5af32d183abf0fb36fccd70f22e8

All the talk of harronir remind me of this

[austere gazelle]

it looks like some troll being experimented upon by Elune with life power until they became pristine night elves.
And those beast influence could explain the transformation into satyr once corrupted by fell...

[silent urchin]

the whole quill aspect of it makes me think more of boars than troll or night elf

[pulsar minnow]

Well we do know Harronir live in Azj Kahet

[silent urchin]

also the ears remind me of gelbin

there's also this guy https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2024/april/115411.jpg

so uh

[meager warren]

We ain't ever gonna get a 4 armed allied race

[dense plover]

These are like evil jinyu

Also don’t have character support

Neither do the spider people

Just like Sethrakk didn’t

[ember blaze]

a unique race or just a reskin of an existing one? i wonder what we get.

[upper pasture]

I mean the harronir look like bat trolls to me

Those ears literally scream bats

[dense plover]

They’re using a mix of night elf and kul tiran skeleton apparently

[pulsar minnow]

Kinda cool idea to make bat elves considering they live in caves

[austere gazelle]

there are quills, feathers, bat ears, furr on cheeks, its like a sort of patchwerk of stuff

[tepid fiber]

I still see a drogbar connection since they already call different people types of -ronir in dialogue, and Xal'atath herself claims they're a failed creation of the Titans. Maybe they were tweaked the same way goblins were by Mimiron for experimentation, or whatever

[austere gazelle]

Wonder if we'll saw Uldaz in this expansion

[silent urchin]

Yeah, combined with the big murloc I'm wondering if the overall thing is some sort of experimentation mixing up races

[tepid fiber]

Or they're just primal cave versions

[pulsar minnow]

Something makes me think that we’re looking too deep into the quils. Probably just stylistic

[tepid fiber]

Neandertrolls and cromurlocs, if you will

[austere gazelle]

yep, a race influenced by the energy of Azerite, dark trolls that went wrong while some other refined themselves and became Kaldorei

[pulsar minnow]

Porcupines tend to burrow themselves underground so that might just be the reason, same reason they have bat ears

[tepid fiber]

I still don't get why other people don't see the drogbar connection lol

It feels so obvious and on the nose to me

[austere gazelle]

Maybe it's the other way around, those are proto trolls xD

Like.. Primordial trolls 😏

[tepid fiber]

The physical features, the zone/story affiliation, harronir

[austere gazelle]

Maybe they were just template for several races. Trolls, Drogbar, and others

After all, they said that the Harbinger was gathering the " Children of the First Flesh "

[dense plover]

See I think the drogbar connection is those weird buff stone people

Uncorrupted drogbar

[pulsar minnow]

It seems like the glowy stone people are some sort of magic force

[tepid fiber]

If the harronir are in any way connected to the drogbar I want a god damn cookie

[pulsar minnow]

Because some earthen have the same purple glow infection thing

Really hoping the Niffen, Dracthyr, and drogbar actually remain relevant somehow this expansion

Mainly Dracthyr. We’re underground investigating void. Emberthal, Ebyssian, Wrathion, somebody. Doesn’t matter how just that they are there in some capacity

[austere gazelle]

Even now, the Harbinger gathers the children of the first flesh to reclaim what was lost. They must remember their vows and serve those to whom they owe fealty.
While they toil in the deep places, we will journey to the shores of dragon lands, to the blessed isle where the Worldbreaker first embraced the whispers.

Maybe those children of the first flesh are the Harronir

[tepid fiber]

Or the first victims of the Curse of Flesh in general

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juQZAC2HaIg

[pulsar minnow]

I think it would be insanely awesome if a big reveal this expansion was that Nerubians -> Harronir -> Dark Trolls -> Trolls -> Elves

[warm topaz]

Great interview with Maria Hamilton another 🐐

[pulsar minnow]

Which is why the nightborne turned into weird spider creatures in Suramar when exposed to certain magics

[austere gazelle]

and Night elves druids into Satyr when exposed to fel ^^

[pulsar minnow]

Finding out that elves and trolls are actually directly descendants of old god spawn would throw players through a damn loop that’s for sure

[austere gazelle]

Old gods where mountain of tumerous flesh , so they might be the " first flesh " and the children might be the nerubians or the harronir

[pulsar minnow]

Which would also make it so Tauren, Pandaren, Dracthyr, and Vulpera are azeroths true natives which would be fucking hilarious

[tepid fiber]

And goblins!

[pulsar minnow]

Forgot about those lil dudes

[austere gazelle]

I've always wondered : what was before the black empire ? what was on proto azeorth ? does races existing pre void empire survived the black empire ?

[tepid fiber]

Warring elements

Basically

[austere gazelle]

Yes but if we link the dots, Tauren might have been there before.

( I say might , it might be unlikely but... )

The eartmother tale said that :

• An'she and Mu'sha befriended the elemental
• All of them were in harmony and created life , and the Taurens
• Earthmother battled darkness and went to sleep

Chronicles said :

• Spirit made the element work in harmony
• Spirit was siphonned after an event, by the world soul
• Elements started to fight each others

And then came the Black empire

Its possible that the Earthmother tale is a mix of truth and lies, after titan's revisitation of the tales to hide stuff

Moreover, if we take into account that the first flesh might have been the old gods, and their children the nerubians, then it would mean that there were no flesh on azeroth prior the black empire.

So most likely, elemental being like stone trogg, stone furbolg and maybe stone tauren and stuff like this.

in short, primordial creatures

[deep pawn]

are troggs being byproducts of Earthen no longer true?

Stone Furbolg as far as I know are a new creation.

Furbolg were made by Ursoc and Ursal.

[austere gazelle]

as far as we know. maybe ursoc and ursol gave fleshy forms to existing beings , its unclear at the moment.
Dunno about earthen. I'm not even sure earthen are creation of the titans to begin with

[proper palm]

kultiran pal with retexture of all paladin horse !!!!

[austere gazelle]

Odyn edict do say that the earthen they sent into Khaz Algar developped culture of their own that was similar to other earthen elsewhere in the planet with no contact, suggesting an influence of Azeroth

[rain cave]

I mean it is cool how it's basically a diablo set

[deep pawn]

Earthen are titan creations, we have seen them made in the Halls of Stone.

[rain cave]

wasn't the thing that troggs are corrupted earthen?

[austere gazelle]

those yes, but maybe their template came from existing being

[rain cave]

over generations

[austere gazelle]

the first lore was that trogg were earthen corrupted by the curse of flesh that turned wrong and became trogg instead of dwarves

but then came stone troggs, which shouldn't exist if it was a bad mutation of earthen after the curse of flesh, if there was an anwser given about that, I don't know

[rain cave]

could have potentially just been some other kind of malformation

strange tho

[deep pawn]

We've only seen Stone Troggs in Deepholm correct? It might just be Therazane stole a few.

[rain cave]

apparently current lore according to a wiki is they were the first batches of titan forged

weren't there stone troggs in uldaman this xpac

or am I misremembering

[tepid fiber]

Earthen were also said to be based on a template that the Titans already had. They could have based the template off of something already existing

[clear apex]

I need this

[upper pasture]

Oh hot damn one week after 10.2.7 we get remix!

It’s been what 5 weeks since 10.2.6?

Just in the 5th week now.

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1781020975292879086

look at this

[pulsar minnow]

Gosh all the stuff we’ve just found out is making it so hard for me to choose what to main next expansion. Shamans and all the elemental stuff going down, paladin with Hallowfall and anduin, or Evoker

Hallowfall is really that effing amazing looking that I just want to play Paladin for that reason alone

[tepid fiber]

That's why my main is a goblin hunter--never feels out of place regardless of where I am. Ultimate adventurer/mercenary vibes

[upper pasture]

Or your always out of place so it just feels normal 😛

[pulsar minnow]

see I absolutely love the playstyle of devastation, but the armor limitations suuuuucckkk

[clear apex]

Id love if they had the dracthyr limitation removed and new classes added for the timerunning but that's likely not happening at all.

[upper pasture]

Considering they said that other classes for Dracthyr are coming “early TWW” yeah I’d say the chances are pretty slim lol

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1781029390614446156

Ellie - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturn) on X

half-pitlord

Twitter · Apr 18, 2024, 6:37 PM

amazing

[candid ruin]

ah yeah its a warlock hero talent to summon a pit lord

[silent urchin]

from 10.2.7 ptr

after the visage quests with chromie/emberthal

[candid ruin]

its Very interesting they're adding tha tabard now after saying in an interview they're not revamping the guild tabard UI yet

[silent urchin]

and then the dang server crashes again

[ionic terrace]

lmao i just tried to get on and was like "it's offline tho"

[silent urchin]

somehow mrgm is still online on it

[harsh wedge]

mrgm is on ptr if i'm not mistaken

[silent urchin]

yes

which is what I'm trying to get on to

[ionic terrace]

lmao they finally cleaned up the in dev forums

[meager warren]

When undead druids, blizz

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-now-gif-6486247

[dense plover]

Probably not soon?

They’re the least likely class race combo by far

Excluding hero classes

[dense plover]

@tepid fiber these are the guys I think might be related to Drogbar - the Skardin. They’re sorta similar. They’re listed as deviant so the non-void Skardin might be of interest

[tepid fiber]

That seems further away from the drogbar than the harronir to me 🤔

Keeping an eye on it but

idk

[granite flame]

Skardin are mutated dwarves, no?

[zealous sedge]

Has anyone seen public alpha invites yet?

[ionic terrace]

not i

[silent urchin]

Nothing yet

streamers don't even seem to have it yet

including those who went to the event

[candid ruin]

https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/1781042394508779846

Zorbrix 💙 (@Zorbrix) on X

plz give energy

Twitter · Apr 18, 2024, 7:29 PM

they're cooking

[ionic terrace]

cook

[zealous sedge]

Haha devs definitely pulled a couple all nighters this week alone

Sleeping in the office

[severe wigeon]

Is it too late to sign up for alpha or is alpha closed to content creators only?

[silent urchin]

there will be new invites pretty constantly, it's never too late to sign up

[dense plover]

Yeah I think they’re having server issues

[severe wigeon]

Oh ok, ya I tried signing up right now and it says wecouldnt sign you up

[dense plover]

Do you have your account set up properly? Check your account settings

Idk the exact setting but you have to do a general flag for betas/alphas

They don’t tend to invite players who haven’t done a beta/alpha to the alpha tho

They will for betas but not alpha

[severe wigeon]

Oh I've done PTR stuff before but I havent done alpha/beta

I had no idea theres a setting you have to enable

[deep pawn]

I don't think I've ever gotten an alpha invite, but if they're truly focusing on midcore players this time I might

I got into beta at the end of the second week.

[severe wigeon]

Haha I go here and beta op-in is greyed out. Maybe my chrome is being weird. I have the xpac and subbed

[harsh wedge]

did you try just clicking on it ? mine has the same colour but works

[severe wigeon]

Ya it just takes me to this

[tepid fiber]

Reddit is already out of control

[severe wigeon]

lmao did it on my mac and it worked

[upper pasture]

Is this what he was trying to warn us against?

Think of all the places a smaller jailer could have fit in

He would truly be unstoppable

[ionic terrace]

https://fxtwitter.com/Zorbrix/status/1781056804266631377

[warm topaz]

context of the gif?

[ionic terrace]

there is none

[warm topaz]

i mean

that guy is someone

who he is, what is he doing

is he happy now?

[ionic terrace]

i think he's dead

oops

[upper pasture]

Yeah that’s Andre the giant iirc, pro wrestler/actor. (He died like 30 years ago)

[ionic terrace]

it's here

[warm topaz]

could the login screen of TWW be the sword?

would be amazing

[jade basalt]

Hello there https://i.imgur.com/gaHUWCH.png

[dense plover]

Fingers crossed but I suspect I didn’t get it. I’m sure you remember my difficulties with DF even though I am one of the most prevalent bug reporters

Nope - didn’t get in.

Idk who wiped me off the list post-SLs but I dislike that person

[upper pasture]

It was me, sorry. It was one of those things where it was like “press this button and get 1 million dollars but someone in the world gets taken of the tester list for blizzard” :/

[silent urchin]

Zorbix is a producer, he used to be part of QA/Server team and still seems to be involved in getting PTRs etc up

Nothing here either :(

[zealous sedge]

There will be more waves of invites!

[dense plover]

I haven’t gotten in post-SLs. I report a ton of bugs

[silent urchin]

I've got in to the last two or three on day 1, but not this time it seems

and that's without reporting anywhere near as much as peach

[dense plover]

In order: BfA beta, SLs alpha, SLs beta, Korthia ptr, DF Beta didn’t have one

Literally thousands of bugs reported just by me

I literally have a Reddit title on the wow Reddit because of the number of bugs I report

Idk why they took my name off the list. I wish I still had my Blizz contact

[warm topaz]

there are more than one wave the first day of alpha

u can still get in

[whole skiff]

why he kinda look like jailer xD

[dense plover]

I’m waiting - I didn’t get in until I was manually flagged for the DF beta

Not even alpha

[tepid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[dense plover]

I had to find a new dev person and now they don’t work at Blizz either

[clear apex]

I've never had alpha v.v and rarely beta

[ivory meadow]

I don't have a wow sub, so I don't believe I even can get in to alpha if that's a requirement.

[silent urchin]

I don't believe it's a strict requirement, but it's likely one of many things that helps

[dense plover]

I had day one alpha for BfA and SLs, and since I unsubbed for a period of time in SLs, haven’t gotten day 1 alpha since

Idk if that’s why or if they cleaned the internal list

But removing someone like me who probably reports more bugs per person than nearly any individual is crazy

[vernal juniper]

well they reset something for sure

I got all the beta until DF

and nothing for DF

neither now it looks

[silent urchin]

I think one of the big things is your PC specs

[clear apex]

I def have specs beyond what is needed

[vernal juniper]

I also haven't the cata beta for example (and I pay 2k$ year to blizzard (with tokens))

so money paid is not a thing

[upper pasture]

it could be a factor of things, could be the content they want tested isn't normally what you engage with.

[dense plover]

I don’t think this is true. I play on very high settings and have my bug reports so there’s clearly something else idk

[candid ruin]

they said its random, and as you can see in here what you do during past testing is irrevelent so I'm incline to believe them

[silent urchin]

more specifically, low specs are more likely to get in

cause they want the esoteric tech issues from bad PCs

[vernal juniper]

have you changed pc ?

[dense plover]

Nope

[vernal juniper]

I've actually changed pc to high end PC before DF and no beta since DF,

[dense plover]

Same PC I had during the Day 1 SLs alpha I got in to

[vernal juniper]

maybe they want crappy pc on it

[dense plover]

I think they lost their records of people like me who put out tons of bug reports

[vernal juniper]

its not the quantity of reports

for sure

I mean I got all the beta since wod before df

and I've almost never reported bugs

even If I played a lot on them

[dense plover]

Idk man - that’s my main thing when I play

Fixing stuff

And checking weird shit no one else ever checks

Like broken flight points or ways to clip into the ground or doodads you can walk through

[vernal juniper]

ye but I think is not the main factor since as I said I got many betas, but since df I had NO DF, no WTLK, NO CATa, No TWW

[dense plover]

Well I don’t play classic so I can’t imagine the testing rules for that overlap

I’m not even signed up for it

[vernal juniper]

must be something else (not the money paid for sure since I pay 2k year with tokens/gold)

[dense plover]

I pay with real money

I don’t even buy tokens

[soft ember]

can someone tell me how to play, i just made a ac

[candid ruin]

[soft ember]

[candid ruin]

you want to play the alpha or wow in gerneral ? alpha is closed and you have to be invited

[vernal juniper]

a good explanation I had in the past the following, the 1st wave of accounts is manyally flagged so if the person who had you name in their list of accounts to flag is not working in blizzard anymore.

[soft ember]

WoW

[clear apex]

Looks like last beta i had was SL ...
But I've been subbed every month since before DF and reported stuff so IDK.
I don't even have cata beta

[vernal juniper]

And I think is why I had neved been flagged anymore.

[vernal juniper]

I also use 2 bnet account for the betas

the second one is inactive for years never got an invite.

[vernal juniper]

can I ask if you have a good pc or an old one?

[ivory meadow]

they increased static flight speed to 420%

nice

[jade basalt]

Good yeah

Well it's many years old but

good for wow

[dense plover]

Why do you always get in?

I mean, congrats, but I’m trying to understand the methods

[deep pawn]

I would love alpha but they know I don't test questing so I really don't need it before beta testing and m+

I'd love to mess around with hero talents

Pity conduit of the celestials is bugged to make effective testing possible

[dense plover]

I mainly test questing

So that may be why I’m not in yet

Might not be the current focus

[zealous sedge]

Invites go out via email right?

[dense plover]

Still find it odd that they didn’t update the brewmaster tree

I have to assume it isn’t being left as is

[dense plover]

You can also check via your Bnet launcher or account

You don’t have to do anything to access alpha besides install if you are flagged

I was right about the concentration thing being a crafting change

[little hound]

Did they finally center staves on the back?

[clear apex]

I hope so

Though i wish we could turn weapons off like you can with clothes

Just have them appear when in use (i know some do this)

[candid ruin]

Dragon race can old school fly now

actually insane

[deep pawn]

Alas, no alpha for me.

[severe oxide]

I seldom get into any of the betas, so I'm definitely not expecting to get into first wave alpha

[pulsar minnow]

I remember back when I got DF Beta, like a month before launch. Same day as Overwatch 2’s launch. Never ended up really contributing so I got zero hope of getting into testing until pre-order access begins

[candid ruin]

in Alpha remix shows its starts May 16th, wowhead found that remix should come out one week after 10.2.7 so 10.2.7 release date May 7th?

[warm topaz]

Pandamonium comes out a week after 10.2.7 launchs

[open bridge]

Remember, Alpha invites come out in waves over time, so there will be more invites coming out even later today

[candid ruin]

yes, remix

[warm topaz]

S4 is on 10.2.6

[candid ruin]

Paanamonium got renamed to remix

[warm topaz]

not 10.2.7

[candid ruin]

I'm talking 10.2.7 not 10.2.6

[warm topaz]

yeah

me too

[candid ruin]

yeah so 10.2.7 launch looks like May 7th

seems too soon

[warm topaz]

but why you think that

oh

wait

[candid ruin]

on Alpha, it shows that remix starts May 17th

[warm topaz]

yeah i get it now

nah, that's a placeholder 100%, remix need some testing

i expect it late may

[candid ruin]

a month of testing seems good enough

[vernal juniper]

no

remix will start on 16

let me copy my old post don't wanna wrote the explanation

some datas are already on database if you know where to find them

we know that it will end on 20th august, that it will last 2282 hours, so it will start on may 16th, alpha has confirmed it after my speculation.

so it is even more probable now 🙂

(unless they will change data again but for the moment is it from 16may to 20august)

[jade basalt]

Found an End Date for MoP Remix in alpha 🤔 https://i.imgur.com/SbeNgSw.png

[vernal juniper]

check 1st july

and 20th August

[jade basalt]

https://i.imgur.com/T5WBbkf.png
https://i.imgur.com/IuxTsoM.png

[vernal juniper]

yeah looks like 2 events up

the one on live should be 16/05 20/08

https://i.imgur.com/s1OtQSd.png

[deep pawn]

8/19 for Prepatch you think or expansion launch haha

[dense plover]

Expac launch

[silent urchin]

remix being a month away is pretty meh

[severe oxide]

Can't complain. This is probably the least content draught-y pre-expansion period WoW has had. Plunderstorm and transmogs to log in for and remix and Season of Discovery and what-not

[silent urchin]

wasn't super interested in plunderstorm. maxed renown then haven't touched it since. Also absolutely zero interest in anything classic related

Might be the least of any expansion but 10.2.6 was super light on content

[upper pasture]

basically gives one rotation of S4

[dense plover]

I’m guessing they’ll test it again

Because it probably needs another test

[silent urchin]

Probably

but I'm not sure I want to level another character for it on PTR

[dense plover]

If my achieves from before carry over I might

[silent urchin]

Starting with 315% xp would be nice

[dense plover]

I just want to make sure I can play aug Evoker from the get go and that XP after 60 is working

[vernal juniper]

I doubt, we have 3 weeks to start and today they pushed a lot of fixes

[deep pawn]

so July Prepatch?

[vernal juniper]

prepatch should be 27th August

[deep pawn]

Not excited for 12 weeks of downtime between 10.2.7 and prepatch then

[vernal juniper]

well season 4 is out with a lot dinars to collect

and a lot of things to collect in remix

but yeah if you are not a collector not much to do

[deep pawn]

no one really wants 5 months of fated

especially if they are removing the aotc mount

[vernal juniper]

yeah as I said, if you are not a collector it will be meh

[silent urchin]

I honestly don't care much about awakened

[vernal juniper]

I don't think they push the prepach before the end of the remix, since there is already an event for prepatch idk if Wowhead already spoiled it

but it should not overlap remix.

[silent urchin]

I mostly just want the mount from all normal raids

prepatch event seems pretty light, they mostly have been for the past few expansions

it's mostly for catchup gearing

[dense plover]

No way pre patch is August

That’s a temp date

[vernal juniper]

yeah but they usually dont overlap it

it fits @dense plover

[dense plover]

My guess is yeah pre patch July and expac August or Sept

[deep pawn]

I was always on July prepatch and Sept expansion for 8 week cadence

[vernal juniper]

according to the past, to the roadmap, to database, prepatch is 27, if they change everything from now until then it will change too but for the moment according to all the clues is the most probable for the 27th August.

[deep pawn]

Roadmap suggests nothing for prepatch beyond June 20-Sept 20

[zealous sedge]

I’m the same. I want the awakened raids mount and enough dinar to get SL fated mount. I wanted to try mythic ATDH to get the fire owl mount but I can’t commit enough time or skill even with the ilvl increase. So it’s collecting all the things in Remix for me, which I’m not mad about.

[silent urchin]

A lot depends on how the tuning lands

I suspect it'll be a bit easier than current

Some builds are probably gonna scale really stupidly with 39 more ilvls

[zealous sedge]

I suspect so too, but idk if my guild is gonna do it. Also I imagine pugs will be horrendous

[silent urchin]

Have a guildie that tried some mythic pugs

I think he got tree down, but igira was basically impossible

maybe a few pugs have better luck but mythic lockout still applies so you get one shot a week

[zealous sedge]

Yeah exactly that’s the main problem there

I’m gonna see if Drunk and Disorderly will put together mythic runs non awakened weeks for mount farming

[silent urchin]

oh doing them on non-awakened may well be possible

[zealous sedge]

Oh yeah I should have specified

Non awakened only weeks haha

[molten niche]

at most we will have a month prepatch

[zealous sedge]

On a side note I really want Taivan but I resubbed in 10.2 so I’m way behind. And I don’t know if I have the time to grind it out. So as someone that want to collect everything there’s almost too much coming up, but I’m not complaining about too much content.

[quartz lintel]

I have a bad news for the Blood Elf players

||Aethas will possibly die with the other members of the Council of Six||

[proper palm]

If the warlock of dalaran help us but not the Council.. Yep..

[rain cave]

dalaran has warlocks?

thought they were all shunned out, hence why the warlock class hall was not in dalaran

[jade basalt]

he doesn't, at least he's still around during early questing

[candid ruin]

https://twitter.com/KirbyAu/status/1781107761339834446

Orlando Salvatore (@KirbyAu) on X

I wonder what else we can throw out there to surprise and delight players… 🙂‍↔️

Twitter · Apr 18, 2024, 11:49 PM

[upper pasture]

😭 he’s a man after my own heart

[clear apex]

The warlock hall is ...kind of in Dal, but just the portal

[quartz lintel]

who is he ?

[candid ruin]

Just the lead software engineer for wow

[quartz lintel]

Hmmmm

Legion remix ?

Or perhaps this curious "vampire event" datamined before ?

[upper pasture]

He’s the man in charge of most of these little projects plunderstorm/remix iirc

[quartz lintel]

I was thinking, about Xal'atath, the question about him was never pointed out. It's always been "how did she become a dagger" or "who is she? An Old God? A Void Spirit". Personally, my question has always been "Why did the Old Gods encase him in a dagger?"

[upper pasture]

She’s an old god that was imprisoned by the other old gods. I believe.

[quartz lintel]

I always thought that the Old Gods wanted to stray from their goal by wanting to rule Azeroth, rather than corrupt it and kill them when the Worldsoul emerged. What if Harbingers in general had the mission of monitoring the evolution of the corruption of a world-soul?

[tepid fiber]

What if it was dreadlords again

[quartz lintel]

And that in the case of those on Azeroth, rather than fearing that Xal'Atath would warn that they had chosen to overstep their mission, they encased it in a dagger to ensure that it would never warn the voidlords?

Or maybe War Within, the Black Empire and the Old Gods are part of Zovaal's 8d chess plan?

[quartz lintel]

To be fair, since the Void Entities see all possibilities, they most certainly saw a tangible vision that the Dreadlords were serving the Jailer and seeking to weaken them.

[upper pasture]

Didn’t they put her in the dagger because she would pretty much do anything to be stronger than the other old gods so they just decided to take her out of the equation? Although we’re not even sure how much of what we know is true anymore so /shrug

Honestly I’m going with my theory that Xal IS our world soul and all of this is to give birth to her true body. It’s a long shot but maybe who knows

[quartz lintel]

On sait pas pourquoi ils l'ont maintenu dans une dague, peut-être qu'ils avaient vu quelque chose

[tepid fiber]

I wouldn't go that far

I just think she's out for herself

She's a biiig fan of power

[quartz lintel]

She doesn't work alone in fact, apart from Iridikron, you forget a very discreet character, present since the end of the Legion.

[upper pasture]

Listen the titans know how to birth world souls right and it’s been decades and they still haven’t awakened Azeroth? Heck it’s almost as if they are trying to keep her asleep sometimes. Idk

[quartz lintel]

Which has manifested itself several times in small events external to the history of BFA, Shadowland and recently Dragonflight.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Shadreen

[rain cave]

a legion remix if that eventually happens could actually be really sick

[upper pasture]

I think it’s way too early to be thinking about other remixes

[rain cave]

I'm just sayin it could be cool

[tepid fiber]

tbf when the Pantheon found Azeroth she was kind of infected with a bad case of Black Empire. Probably a lot of reno work to do alongside layers of overredundant purification systems out the whazoo just because she's worth the effort. I don't think it's anything more complex than that. Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one

[rain cave]

like WoD/Legion are very remixable if they're thinking of doing more of them

[quartz lintel]

Dont talk about WoD

[rain cave]

hey remix is for levelling content, WoD's was good

apart from killing of maraad that was L

[quartz lintel]

Or Wod with Farhalon, Apogid region, and the others shits unused

[tepid fiber]

We talk about what was there, not about what wasn't

[quartz lintel]

During Alpha, it was 1000% sure the final boss was planned to be Medivh

[tepid fiber]

Talking about content that never existed doesn't help lol

[rain cave]

every xpac has cut content and redirection lmao

remember when the vault of the incarnates was literally on the other side of the isles

[upper pasture]

This is fair, I just think it would be a neat twist after all this time the world soul that we’ve been actively protecting and helping this whole time turns out to be one of our greatest enemies.

[rain cave]

remember all the cut items from TBC they're only adding back recently 💀

and MoP

[upper pasture]

Of course that’s probably not gonna be true anyhow but soon enough we will know the ending

[rain cave]

WoD was definetly cut down, but the stuff that was there was pretty good

[tepid fiber]

That wasn't my point, I'm not debating whether or not cut content is a thing, I'm just saying talking about content that doesn't exist doesn't help move forward a conversation of what things are as we know

[quartz lintel]

Wod, expansion with a big patch on Farhalon was cut, with a raid in Shattrath, a megadungeon in the Apogid theme, with the final boss Medivh/Sargeras and lore concerning the relationship of Yrel with Archimonde

[upper pasture]

Cut items or unused colors?

[rain cave]

ye I'm on your side

the titans have almost nailed azeroth down with their installations tbf

and all their installations are near points of potential corruption it feels like

[quartz lintel]

The titans are tyrannical assholes who kill absolutely everything that doesn't want to fall into their delirious order.

[rain cave]

specifically the installations that go into the planet, not just the labs on the surface

[tepid fiber]

tbf that's more Aman'thul. Not all of the Titans are malicious jerks

[rain cave]

there's all the sights around the old gods to stop their stuff leaking into the planet, you could argue that tyrhold prevents elemental 'corruption' seeping in (or at least suppressing azeroths potential natural elementality), for all we know the big installation in TWW could be to counteract the influence of the big light crystal the arathi surround

[tropic trail]

apogid?

[quartz lintel]

"Hey guys, come on, let's do a lab to understand the Old Gods" = Failed with the birth of G'Huun who made a terrible mess.

"Hey guys, what do you think we're keeping the heart of the most powerful old god of the Black Empire to try to study it?" = Failed with all the MoP mess that followed

“Hey Eonar, do you think you’re making a dream world just to do some tests?” = Failed with a single elf who allowed the Old Gods to corrupt the Place

[rain cave]

the titans aren't outright malicious, they're basically the epitome of lawful neutral

but neutral doesn't mean "in the middle of everything" it means their morality shifts way more often depending on your relation to their code

[quartz lintel]

Yes, content on the apogids which was cut, generally they are the ancestors of the Arrakoa, who living in flying cities

[rain cave]

like if you saw a weed in your garden, taking nutrients from your well tended plants, would you rip it out? your answer isn't good or evil inherently, just marks your character

[zealous sedge]

Is this the guy in charge of the experiments department at blizz

[rain cave]

amanthul saw that one tree as a weed, and we understand that as potentially evil because we undestand more of the ramifications of it as well as value things like the tree

but to amanthul, it was just a weed on his garden

amanthul still probably thinks of most mortals as ants

[tropic trail]

Interesting, thought I knew everything there was to know about wod's cut content lol - I've never heard of the apogid before, didn't realise there was a cut miniraid with them haha

[rain cave]

that naturally would make him an antagonist to us, but not one that is malicious or can't be reasoned with

Eonar is looking to be a potential ally because she is sympathetic to life, like elune

(and those two are close also)

[quartz lintel]

The thing with the titans is that this "impartial neutrality" is questioned several times, including by their own creations (Algalon who saw worlds disappear because the titans didn't like that they didn't follow THEIR vision, and recently Tyr on the fact that yes, imposing the Order on the dragons was perhaps not the best idea). The titans never give a choice, they IMPOSE their vision

For me that makes them despicable tyrannical assholes, but for them, it's normal, and logical in their pursuit of the Order, and considers that these are the best choices to make, without taking into account the free -arbitrator and the opinion of others. Because the titans think they are right about absolutely everything.

And Iridikron knows it, and that's why he is angry with the titans, even if it means allying himself with the Void, because all he wants is to impose free will and completely annihilate this vision of order despotic. It's the same, of all the possible timelines including Ulderoth, why did they prefer to keep the canonical WoW timeline rather than a timeline where the world-soul is saved? Even he asks Chromie the question (and certainly the answer that goes with it)

[tepid fiber]

Uwudikwon

[quartz lintel]

Shinydikron

[zealous sedge]

So what is the answer to that question?

[zealous sedge]

I worry how blizz will make the whole world soul saga digestible and accessible for players. While Metzen being back is a great sign for me personally (yes I know their were some questionable lore directions in the past with him too), I fear what the overarching “reasons” are for why the Titans exist and what the “true purpose” is. I just hope they don’t introduce concepts that players can’t really grapple with because of unrealistic (even for a fantasy game) plot points like SL. But it needs to be more complex than “free will vs order and design” or good vs evil. Also, we need some real stakes imo. Idk how you can do that because you can’t really have the player/ hero “lose”.

[upper pasture]

Oh boy are you in for a ride in TWW and midnight then, these two are not gonna be good for us

[zealous sedge]

Not good for us as a player/ hero sense. Or because the lore isn’t gonna be good.

[upper pasture]

As a player/ the hero

[zealous sedge]

Well that’s good for me. I just hope we actually like “lose” in the final raid tier for TWW. Make the stakes really high that lead into midnight, and then make us lose again.

[upper pasture]

These are speculated to be “losing” expansions for us

[zealous sedge]

Okay good

I like that

[upper pasture]

They even said at blizzcon “things don’t always go they we we expect them, which leads us to the elves and reuniting them in midnight” or something along those lines

[zealous sedge]

I think we might rescue the worldsoul at the end of TWW and bring it to the sunwell to “awaken” and that’s why the void comes.

[upper pasture]

Go watch the reveal for the world soul saga

[zealous sedge]

Idk just a thought

[zealous sedge]

I’ll watch it again. It’s been months

I’m calling it now the worldsoul had a twin. And it’s in Ulduar. lol

[quartz lintel]

Northend revamped

i cant wait

[zealous sedge]

Hell yeah. I wonder how much scourge we will see left. Also is Bolvar still on the frozen throne? I’m not sure what happened to him with SL.

[ember blaze]

[rain cave]

What makes you say that?

Tbf with the whole "zereth" meme, azeroth does sound like a potential way of saying multiple zereth

Cool theory

And could explain the multicoloured nature of azerite, the planets uniqueness, etc

[zealous sedge]

I don’t know, it just popped in my mind. Honestly nothing to back it up haha.

[dense plover]

world soul cant have a twin

its LITERALLY the planet

the entire planet is the world soul

[tepid fiber]

But what about...

The moon soul?

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-dipsy-running-away-scared-run-away-gif-25928776

[deep pawn]

I mean it makes sense they have to concept art 13.0 already

[zealous sedge]

100%

I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s 1 or two people concepting 14.0

Maybe not art but big picture stuff.

[dense plover]

unlikely

theyre probably focusing on the worldsoul saga

[zealous sedge]

Fair point

[zealous sedge]

I was just checking out official TWW Alpha forum and there are literally 0 posts except for Blue posts giving overviews of some crafting changes and class hero talents. I bet this means the 1st wave of invites was only a few hundred people, mostly those that were in the content creator alpha a few days ago. I’m hoping a larger more random invite wave goes out tomorrow for the weekend.

[austere gazelle]

Not a twin, something that was born from within the black empire mass sacrifices
" hear heart is a crater, and we have filled it "
They poured void and shadow in it and a creature was born from it, imo

[little hound]

Pretty sure those who got the 1st wave of invite will be going through every detail and give massive feedback as things are written.

Its the 1st build of ALPHA, as early as it gets. There isn't much to really go on atm as very few systems are able to be tested yet.

[deep pawn]

Well actually all the systems are testable in some way

[cosmic beacon]

I just want alpha/beta for when the dk changes are announced and implemented

[deep pawn]

We're only missing a few hero talent trees, warbands and delves are already in.

[cosmic beacon]

No resto shaman hero tree

[deep pawn]

They have farseer

[cosmic beacon]

The other one

[little hound]

Despite buying the Epic Edition, i'd prefer to avoid alpha/beta as i'm trying to not get slapped by story spoilers.

[cosmic beacon]

Farseer is elemental that can be used as resto iirc

So waiting on the rsham themed one that another spec uses

[deep pawn]

Hero talents are shared between two specs, none really are just one spec.

Farseer is ele/resto. If anything it's more resto themed than ele

[cosmic beacon]

They are based on a spec though

Like how dk

[deep pawn]

No they aren't

[cosmic beacon]

Has sanlayn

Clearly blood themed

Rider clearly unholy themed and deathbringer clearly frost

Arms has colossus

[little hound]

Lorewise, yes. THose are their themes

[cosmic beacon]

Ye that’s what I mean

[little hound]

But talent wise, they can be shared on 2 specs

San'layn are LITERALLY Vampiric undead elves.

[deep pawn]

Farseer is still more resto than ele if that's what you want to focus on.

[little hound]

Lorewise, Farseer is a mix of both.

[cosmic beacon]

Isn’t the other hero tree called like tide caller

[deep pawn]

Totemic

[cosmic beacon]

Clearly more resto themed imo

[deep pawn]

Not really, totems are pretty generic for shaman

[cosmic beacon]

Since half ur kit is totems

While it’s almost pure utility for the others

Either way, I want to see other shaman tree

Bring back earthquake on golem

[deep pawn]

Resto has literally called on ancestors since vanilla, just saying lol.

I just find hero trees are class fantasy over spec fantasy for the most part.

[little hound]

Hero Trees are spec-themed, and doesn't have to align with their lore. Keep that in mind.

[deep pawn]

But this started off the "not many systems to be tested yet" when we can test like 80% of all new system stuff already

[little hound]

I went from what i've read so far while avoiding spoilers, i don't have Alpha and can't speak for most of it.

[cosmic beacon]

||dumbledore dies||

[deep pawn]

It's just tww isn't adding a ton of systems like previous expansions

[cosmic beacon]

Sorry not sorry

[deep pawn]

Warbands are literally the biggest box feature followed by delves which are just dungeons with slightly interesting mechanics

[cosmic beacon]

Hoping the harder mode of delves is interesting

From what I’ve seen the low ones look incredibly mediocre

[deep pawn]

Given Ion implied early testing is gonna be a different zone each week for focused testing we might be in beta in a month

[severe oxide]

The disappointment of waking up to people saying Alpha invites have started and seeing you've an email from Blizzard for the first time in a while, only to find out it's "The Darkmoon Faire Begins in Warcraft Rumble!"

[cosmic beacon]

I got excited just to see the email about the collectors edition

[gloomy tangle]

Same

[clear apex]

Me getting one that says "sign up for beta"
except I've got epic edition so I've got it anyways

[cosmic beacon]

I signed up for beta even with epic edition just incase

[pulsar minnow]

For some reason I think beta access for epic edition might not be when beta begins, more like guaranteed later on in beta

[clear apex]

That would be kind of annoying honestly to give priority to 'lottery'

[severe oxide]

Regular edition lottery should be prioritized for Alpha since the Epic Edition folk already bought their way into beta. 😎

[clear apex]

Honestly? I've been in other game alphas and there's usually not a lot to do so im personally ok waiting on beta.

Like i just got an invite to pax dei but i don't want it cause i know it'll be empty

[cerulean lava]

pog??

[clear apex]

That needs to function as a forge

[past hare]

Please reply to the male night elf neck. In the past, male night elves were not hunchbacked. And now it's hunched over and neckless. Please fix him. Other races have been optimized. Only male night elves are vilified.

I hope someone can help and tell Blizzard.

[clear apex]

I'll get back to you on that once undead, troll and worgen can stand straight

[past hare]

That's right. I don't know why it seems like there are only male night elves. Modeling was incorrectly modified.

[cosmic beacon]

Preserve the curve

Standing up straight is for the weak

[past hare]

But Blizzard made the mistake of modifying the male night elf. Other races have been optimized. It seems Blizzard knows what people like more. It seems like Blizzard has intentionally vilified male night elves in the past.

[clear apex]

Might want to go to blizzard forums then. Cause this isn't an official server for it

[past hare]

I've been there and seemed ignored.

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/TaliesinEvitel/status/1781333071016370627

Taliesin & Evitel (@TaliesinEvitel) on X

I'm not being funny, this is legitimately one of the coolest screens I've ever seen in WOW

Twitter · Apr 19, 2024, 2:44 PM

amazing artwork

[cosmic beacon]

Gonna have the same experience here

[rain cave]

can't blame them, they've been bearing the weight of the story for several expansions now 😭

[past hare]

This is not to blame, I am just stating the facts. Currently, only male night elves have experienced such strange changes. As a player who has played Night Elf Druid for more than ten years. It looks so weird.

[novel zodiac]

i just saw a post from barny, blizzard confirmed that the big cannon from azshara will be fired in TWW?

[tepid fiber]

Ooo, cannon canon?

[novel zodiac]

https://twitter.com/Barny/status/1781265949678608622

Barny 🐝 (@Barny) on X

World of Warcraft developers have confirmed Gallywix's Pride will fire in The War Within expansion, coming later this year.

Twitter · Apr 19, 2024, 10:17 AM

yeah, dont know if its true

would be cool tho

[tropic trail]

I think that's a joke

based around how alex afrasiabi at blizzcon said it'd be fired in bfa

[silent urchin]

It's been "confirmed" multiple times

[novel zodiac]

damn, i only had a tiny bit of hope

[clear apex]

V.V

Someone posted a Twitter link last night and i realize now that the hint might be ...character customizing?

🙂↔️?

[tepid fiber]

That's how Dalaran gets shot down

[clear apex]

[tepid fiber]

[tropic trail]

?