beta-ptr-spoilers

[austere gazelle]

putting in the list achivement that rewarded nothing back then and that were just flex ego stuff into something required in a meta achievement is weird. Now everyone who fear to miss the meta achievement reward by the end of an expack will scour every pointless , unrewarding achivement to do fearing it'll be required when the time will come

They should just do like the pathfinder stuff, if you did the mandatory achievement for each seasonal event, you're good

[cosmic beacon]

Imo that kinda just defeats the purpose of an expansion wide meta achievement

There’s way more to df than just the basic seasonal stuff

I do think some of the additions were kinda weird like fringe benefits being included in the msq meta achievement

To me, an expansion wide meta achievement is there to show you did a vast majority of the expansions content somewhat in depth and you’re rewarded for that extra time commitment, watering it down defeats that idea and boils it away to an achievement everyone gets for basic participation in the expansion and its features

[warm topaz]

this professions rares are the worst

can i buy the items on the AH?

[tight wagon]

yep they're really cheap

i think ah > misc> reagent you cna find all of them

[warm topaz]

thank you!

[upper pasture]

And it literally wasn’t that hard to do said content when that content was relevant. Remember when there was like always two storms up all the time?

[tight wagon]

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/status/1773384989314298365

Algalon, Enigmatic Observer (@algalon_ghost) on X

New #Warcraft build found:
Internal 3 (wowdev3)🔐: 10.2.6.53840 --> 10.2.7.53954

Found at: 03-28-2024@04:21:43 UTC

Twitter · Mar 28, 2024, 4:21 PM

[warm topaz]

so hype!

[vernal juniper]

will be probably not up before reset?

[tight wagon]

yeah only next week at earliest, might take some time tho

[warm topaz]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/holly-longdale-on-world-of-warcrafts-future-pve-experimental-content-planned-338344

interesting words

[vernal juniper]

pandemonium seasons

alreadt known

[warm topaz]

yeah but

why make an article for that

[silent urchin]

cause the wow community as a whole is being a bunch of whiny assholes right now, and this is designed to placate them until the full announcement

not sure it's the best idea, might just make the whining worse

[warm topaz]

yeah

i think the exact same thing

[warm topaz]

she posted that on twitter

so i think it's the same

[deep pawn]

Holly needs to relook at how they announce this type of stuff since the whole "just wait, please" for the third time is clearly not working

At least no "sorry, not sorry" this time haha

[warm topaz]

what you mean?

[upper pasture]

i'm a firm believer that things don't/shouldn't be announced ahead of time especially if they are "mold breaking" for the type of stuff they usually do. all that does is create a space for people who actively complain about anything the company does to well complain and shit talk about it and sour the devs mood on what they are creating

[tepid fiber]

What "sorry, not sorry" is being referred to??

[deep pawn]

she used that phrase twice regarding Plunderstorm being secret

[tepid fiber]

Lmao basically. But not everyone can take the No Man's Sky approach

[upper pasture]

being more realistic and open about what is coming and if you don't like it you don't like it there's plenty of things to do inside and outside the game.

[tepid fiber]

Pretty much

[deep pawn]

They'd have gotten the same complaints regarding Plunderstorm regardless, hiding it just made people resentful.

[uncut lintel]

we are not getting a new zone in S4 rite?

[tepid fiber]

Nah

[upper pasture]

but have you considered how halfassed it would have been if they announced it months ago and everyone was shitting on the devs when they were creating it? how the devs, not the CEOs. the people who are pouring their hearts into creating something they truly believe is fun would feel?

[tepid fiber]

And it is fun, if you like pvp and brs. And that's fine

Different game modes can exist for different people

[upper pasture]

and in turn if the public was actively shitting on plunderstorm while in development they would cut the team and make it so much harder for those who remained to deliver something even playable

[deep pawn]

And it feels any better to get all that anger after you release the product with an additional dash of "betrayal"?

I don't think they'd have cut the team if people were cranky 4-6 weeks earlier

[tepid fiber]

Is the emotionally manipulative hyperbole necessary though?

Like, there's no malice in their development process

Nobody is getting betrayed

[upper pasture]

the people who "feel betrayed" by plunderstorm need to get a reality check imo

[tepid fiber]

Anger over entitled disappointment just makes any constructive criticisms that aren't just complaining that you may have sound whiny and not worth validating

John Blizzard isn't cackling nefariously at the thought of personally slighting players as he strokes his hairless lap cat Barnabus from the shadows

[deep pawn]

it's more a "How did they think this is what anyone wanted" type of emotion.

[tepid fiber]

(My mental image of John Blizzard is somewhere in the middle vector between Ion, Dr Evil, and Gargamel from the Smurfs)

[uncut lintel]

they should of just made two modse of plunderstorm one with pvp and one without

modes*

[upper pasture]

also more to your point about anger post release, as a game dev you expect some resistance after a release because there will always be those who hate it no matter what. i'm sure they planned for some negative feedback. so yes, it is better to have a product in hands letting most people make the choice for themselves on if it's good or not than to try to cut through all the negative story waiting weeks to deliver something and letting the public make up their minds without playing it.

[tepid fiber]

But what would the PvE mode even be?

[uncut lintel]

collecting shit or something, helping npcs idk

[deep pawn]

I just needed in game related content too

[upper pasture]

i didn't want a BR WoW but it's fun nonetheless

[uncut lintel]

theres alot more in WoW than just pvp

[tepid fiber]

Exactly, and there's a lot more to WoW than Plunderstorm

[upper pasture]

Vampire survivors could be a PvE mode

[uncut lintel]

i just hate the pvp aspect of plunderstorm

[upper pasture]

and, you certain run around alot in that game AND it's timed

[deep pawn]

yeah, just they didn't release anything with this patch so we're looking at 18 weeks without any new in game content

[uncut lintel]

yes they did

[tepid fiber]

Yeah, but why hate on content that other players might enjoy just because it's not what you want to play? That the part where I'm having the difficulty understanding

[uncut lintel]

g get the meta achievements

for taiven

[upper pasture]

but what if i already have that foxy

[uncut lintel]

then do it again

fr me

[tepid fiber]

Like, I legitimately can't comprehend why it's worth getting mad that other people are having fun

[uncut lintel]

bcuz ppl see it as unfair

[tepid fiber]

It makes as much sense to me as

As

Pudding pants

And soup sandwiches

[uncut lintel]

they be like why u releasing content meant for them and not me

[fast gate]

And yet you complain about people not having fun... seems a bit hypocritical

[upper pasture]

yeah, right

[tepid fiber]

There's no way anyone is really that selfish, not without it being a meme, right? Come on

That's not real

[uncut lintel]

im scared

is that sarcasm

[deep pawn]

Because people were hoping for content in the game, not a new game sharing assets with a long grind to get cosmetics

[tepid fiber]

I'm being serious

[uncut lintel]

i can never tell with u

[upper pasture]

you see we're not complaining about people not having fun we're complain about people acting like children about a piece of a video game that's simply not their cup of tea.

[tepid fiber]

I'm complaining about people complaining about other people having fun

[ivory meadow]

Let's just say a lot of people's relationship with the games they play is... not the greatest

[tepid fiber]

It's maddening

[fast gate]

seems more like over generalizing to make yourself seem 'right'. If you have specific people to call out, do so, but saying 'people' are doing this, and that is bad, is just a straw man argument

[upper pasture]

it's not a matter of being "right" or not. it's about being an adult and understanding that not everything is made specifically for you.

[uncut lintel]

💀

[tepid fiber]

In this case, specifically Kyle. Because that's who lehrdaniel and I are currently also engaging with. As well as the other voices mentioned in other public forums being referenced

[deep pawn]

something as simple as pirate invasion WQs that awarded 467 gear would have shut a lot of people up

[ivory meadow]

just because there's no specific person does not invalidate the point anyway?

[upper pasture]

it's okay to not like things, it's not okay to light your pitchforks everytime something you don't like comes out

[tepid fiber]

And that might be cool, definitely, but why spite the content that is there for the sake of content that wasn't even brought up?

This is what I mean about the whole thing when we start assuming new game modes or features and content and going into detail about it, and then being upset that it isn't what we ended up getting

Like, it's just inventing reasons to be upset

[deep pawn]

To me the biggest issue with Plunderstorm is that it's essentially an entirely different game marketed as a WoW content update.

[ivory meadow]

ok?

[tepid fiber]

It's a fun limited time event to try something different and to entertain players who enjoy the BR trend and PvP

There's nothing wrong with that

Let those people who enjoy it enjoy it

[upper pasture]

was it tho? it wasn't even marketed at all. it was for all WoW players with a sub. we knew it was something that crossed the retail/classic line.

[tepid fiber]

Like, imagine the situation reversed and they just added the content you wanted and ignored these other players

[tepid fiber]

Yeah, the marketing for it was quite literally "🏴‍☠️"

Just a flag icon on a timeline

[deep pawn]

"Was added as a WoW patch"

[upper pasture]

also isn't this the first time we've gotten a X.2.6 patch? so this is a bonus patch

so it isn't in lieu of content it's just bonus content

[tepid fiber]

Can't recall, I'm just glad for more updates steadily

[ivory meadow]

I just truly don't see the issue with a game experimenting with unorthodox playstyles or dipping toes into other genres.

[tepid fiber]

Yeah, it's not like they did this instead of something else

[upper pasture]

i find it hilarous people are crying this is "the worst wow patch ever" yet people forget the selfie camera patch

[deep pawn]

they promised we'd get WoW content every 8-9 weeks during the expansion lull, players misinterpreted that I guess

[uncut lintel]

waht was the selfie camera patch?

[fast gate]

Are you asking me? If so, yes it does. It is the Straw Man Fallcy: "A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man"" You are arguing that people who dislike this feature are unreasonable, due to X, Y, and Z, but those aren't actual happening. You are just listing them, to discredit any negative feedback.

[tepid fiber]

Oh, definitely. If we never tried new things we probably wouldn't even have flying and still be counting our ammo bags like animals

[silent urchin]

I mean we're still getting season 4 content soon

[uncut lintel]

can they revive bfa warfronts

[upper pasture]

but this is WoW content, it however isn't Retail content?

[tepid fiber]

I played one recently at max, pretty fun still lmao

[uncut lintel]

yea but getting a grp for one is liteerally so long D:

bfa had the bset content unnopular opinion

[ivory meadow]

Oh really?https://twitter.com/BellularGaming/status/1773047597197869192

Michael (@BellularGaming) on X

this is the take

Twitter · Mar 27, 2024, 6:01 PM

it's not actually happening?

[tepid fiber]

I mean you don't really need a whole group

[uncut lintel]

what

but u need 10 people to que

[tepid fiber]

(I'll dm you next time my people do stuff)

[uncut lintel]

a toon of mine has 200 medals but is only lvl 50 so its hard i want to farm the rest to 750 but dayum

[upper pasture]

Jak be on point with that take, don't think the rewards are worth your "suffering" then don't do it. easy peasy

[uncut lintel]

only do it

if its a cat

[upper pasture]

there's a reason i don't do high pvp even tho i love the colors most of the time.

[uncut lintel]

pvp is fckin tedious

[tepid fiber]

It's basic cost2benefit analysis that's what I'm saying!!

I really think some of those new OW heroes are really cool. Am I ever going to play enough OW to unlock them? Absolutely not, you'd need to actually pay me

[fast gate]

Am not clicking on any links... if you want to argue with whoever that is on X, go ahead. But there, isn't here.

[ivory meadow]

😂

[upper pasture]

there's plenty of people here in this own channel that have complain about plunderstorm, i'm not tagging them because they will show up in their own time. (plus idk what timezone they are in too) but there has been plenty of people with negative things to say about PS which are fine but when it's just them repeating the same things and then following it up with "maybe it's not for me" then they return in 12-24 hours to say the same shit.

[deep pawn]

hmm, promotion is another massive bundle

[uncut lintel]

when is new cat mount

[warm topaz]

never 👿

[upper pasture]

i want a new cat pet

[uncut lintel]

MOUNT

cat race

cat expansion

[upper pasture]

i want to know how we get bullions and how many we're getting per character >.<

[uncut lintel]

what

cant ujust hold 3 like last time?

[upper pasture]

it's the new fated token

i doubt it cause items off the vendor are 2

and mog only is 1

so it's likely to be 6? or maybe even 2 a week? idk. the mog vendor adding in all the weapon mogs from the expanison raids makes me believe it could be a weekly cap.

[deep pawn]

I'm sure people will do it, but that's still a lot of money

[uncut lintel]

WTF

400 DOLLARS

FOR PETS

???

[deep pawn]

41.99

[uncut lintel]

oh

oh my god sorry

i usually expect 2 0's when its blizzard

[ivory meadow]

Kitty was about to crashout 😂

[tepid fiber]

[upper pasture]

$42 dollars? a lot?

hardly.

[deep pawn]

the fish mount is half off which is sorta tempting, but not when I gotta buy TWW and DT soon

[uncut lintel]

my price but

[tepid fiber]

Well, subjective

[uncut lintel]

i wonder how many years this will be stuck on my battle.net

[tepid fiber]

But still

[deep pawn]

$42 is still like a full tank of gas

[uncut lintel]

42 could get u 2 boxes of spicy nuggets from wnedys

[upper pasture]

i mean, sure subjective but still $42 versus the normal $170 it would be at full price?

[uncut lintel]

buy me tww instead

[uncut lintel]

170 is only worth it if its a full on cat bundle with 2 mounts 3 pets and a cat transmog onesie

[upper pasture]

3 tokens so right now that's like 750k gold.

[deep pawn]

it's non combat pets which I forget to bring out all the time, so 42 or 170 it's still a lot haha

[upper pasture]

maybe a bit more i haven't been on today to check token prices

[deep pawn]

I haven't bought balance with gold in a long time cause it takes a long time to earn 280k

[upper pasture]

yeah, it's the point tho, i usually convert under 200k. and it's been awhile since we've crossed that threshold.

[rain cave]

bad take 💀

[rain cave]

if I'm reading it correct

[uncut lintel]

THATS WORSE

THATS WORSE

[uncut vault]

I know it’s been a while since Legion and they want to keep things fresh, but I’m really surprised they dorm do stuff like this anymore

Stuff as simple as the Helya world quests or the bird invasion weren’t huge events, but they were just a nice little shakeup to the weekly world quest rotation

New content feels a lot like they think it needs to be a whole new system like time rifts or azerothian archives

When ultimately the biggest activity in the xpac was the forbidden reach, a whole zone that was just weeklies and rares and chests lol

[upper pasture]

i mean, can you blame them tho? they add a small WQ or two people laugh and call the devs a joke. it's sorta a "damned if you do damned if you don't" scenario

[uncut vault]

Fair, but i think having other stuff alongside it also helps

[upper pasture]

we got an event that was like what 4-5 quests and people complained that "this was all they could add? LOL blizzard"

[deep pawn]

we had the Naga invasions in BfA and I think that was last.

[uncut vault]

Like, the best part about the archives for me is the world quests

And the little story quests leading up to them

It’s kinda the same way I feel about mini-raids, it’s a shame they’ve stopped doing this because they were such a nice little burst of raid content mid-tier

I feel like there’d be way less complaints if season 4 had something as simple as “hey, here’s a nice friendly spar with Alexstrasza and Tyr as a two boss raid”

Just put them on the empty platforms in Valdrakken, no new art needed beyond the abilities

[upper pasture]

i thint it's a fair point as players to expect not all content is going to be for you. they have been trying to keep up with content in the 8 week cycle but to expect something for each form of player each 8 weeks is well a little crazy.

heck people complained about time rifts/archives being the same and "recycled content"

in my eyes there's no way blizzard will appease everyone.

i wish we had mini raids still too. i miss them. they were nice.

[molten niche]

just as long as its not 1 a week lol

[upper pasture]

one a week will be rough but maybe, means you'll get an upgrade every other week.

[ivory meadow]

not really; all they're saying is to know what your playstyle is and that even though you might want something, the process of getting won't be enjoyable because it's not your playstyle or what you like to do. Furthermore, they're saying that you should instead nurture what you do like doing in whatever suits your playstyle and not do stuff that comes at the cost of your health.

[upper pasture]

BUT i'm hoping it's 2 a week from two different sources. say like the weekly quest and one from awakened raid

[molten niche]

i can see that

[rain cave]

I just don't like FOMO

keep it gamemode exclusive, just don't nuke the method of obtaining for no reason

[ember blaze]

just buy it off the trading post months later

[ivory meadow]

what are you referring to? Plunderstorm or PvP?

[upper pasture]

blizzard has been rewarding long term players in that sense. the TP is probably gonna see these items one day

[rain cave]

any.

[rain cave]

not for plunderstorm, more their general approach

PvP sets, mounts, whatever

install a legacy system for em, doesn't have to be easy to get at all

as long as there's a method

like genuinely if there was a vendor where I could buy old Elite sets, but required a HARD ass grind

[upper pasture]

i wonder if we will ever see the day of old elite pvp sets making their way back, hell and M+ mounts. honestly a year seems fine

[rain cave]

not just like buying anything else legacy

[deep pawn]

I do think they got stuck a bit in the rut of hourly events this expac

Reach Storms, Time Rifts, Researchers Under Fire, and Superbloom are all hourly

even the dreamsurge portal is hourly

[rain cave]

like imagine if at elite ranks, the chests you get from matches had a 1% chance to drop a currency you can exchange for 1 piece of an old set

as an initial idea :p

[upper pasture]

they should just add a box to the weekly pvp quest/the honor one that you could buy and has a low chance to give a mog item. but also make it not able to reward duplicates.

and it always has to be from an old expansion not the current one

[upper pasture]

Or make it some sort of WO system like the old naxx stuff

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/KirbyAu/status/1773452743568691391?t=hvCfMVNLf3lMNeg3DuSIug&s=33

Orlando Salvatore (@KirbyAu) on X

Twitter · Mar 28, 2024, 8:50 PM

maybe that means nothing but is a classic to send any dev tweet lol

[deep pawn]

it's been 10 days of lots of feedback lol

[tropic trail]

seems to be a new way to track your kills has been added

but isnt working yet haha

[upper pasture]

Oh that’s neat

I wanted an end of the match stats

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/MrGMYT/status/1773455901707436522?t=TQD-e8-VNTDfAj2ucuAARw&s=33

MrGM (@MrGMYT) on X

Looks like a hotfix just went out for Plunderstorm to add a Kill counter

Twitter · Mar 28, 2024, 9:03 PM

[deep pawn]

awww, they finally killed my old authenticator

I don't wanna use crap on my phone

[worn crown]

It is not crap
In fact, I barely need to use it

[tepid fiber]

It's the same popup on my phone to do it through the bnet app anyway so I've notice no change

[deep pawn]

The way I used to do it required a totally seperate password for it and not once in the 10 years or so did I get hacked, but now it's just a "tap" 😦

rip to the codes

[upper pasture]

I mean, you can also do the code still

“Enter code manually” brings up the code for you to enter

[tepid fiber]

Authenticator had a popup too, yeah

[upper pasture]

And if it makes you feel better I’ve never been hacked while using either of the authenticators

[tepid fiber]

But even with the bnet app you still have the option to enter the code instead

[deep pawn]

I readded it just cause I wanted to do custom parties lol

[zealous sedge]

Okay question about Fated/ Awakened raids for those that experienced it in Shadowlands. How difficult is it to Pug the last raid tier of the expansion (like 9.2) on mythic difficulty (outside of the rotation week) if you are in the upper echelons of ilvl (515+)?

[deep pawn]

it's still a heavy mechanics check

[zealous sedge]

Good to know

[zealous sedge]

I spent the last hour and a half watching Liquid’s Mythic guide for Amidrassil. Yeah… I’ve just accepted I’ll farm the raid for the mount in about 5 years time.

[vernal juniper]

lets say that hc was like a normal+

a bit harder than a normal not fated

[vernal juniper]

is ptr down?

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/TheWindstalker/status/1773708553662115948

Holly Longdale (@TheWindstalker) on X

More context on modern experiments: we are in the twilight of an expansion and want to continue providing frequent content leading up to the next one. Now is the time for us to spin some experiences. Learn. Grow. We know we can't please everyone, but we see you all. For Azeroth!

Twitter · Mar 29, 2024, 1:47 PM

i'm going to have the same thought that I had with 10.2.6 for 10.2.7, if the devs are excited that's a reason for me to be excited

[thin warren]

just gimme info

[vernal juniper]

anyone can start ptr to see if servers are up?

It says not compatible to my end

[austere gazelle]

Pandamonium might be something like that ahah

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/KirbyAu/status/1773739238888235318

Orlando Salvatore (@KirbyAu) on X

@TheWindstalker Hi Holly, I’m concerned about one thing. There is an extra space between “some” and “experiences”. Can we expect that space to be filled? Was that intentional? What could it mean?

Twitter · Mar 29, 2024, 3:49 PM

i love this guy LMAO

[tepid fiber]

LMAO

Ugh that's fricking good

Perfect summation of your average speculator

[deep pawn]

Lots of vague "please just wait" isn't helping at this point. Put out the in dev post or just be quiet til you have in game content to announce.

[tepid fiber]

So "shut up unless you have something I want to hear" basically

Nice

[deep pawn]

She's had like 3 of this same type of tweet recently and it's definitely not calming down people who want new content.

They can say "please let us experiment" all they want. Show us what the hell it is already rather than saying you're doing something building up expectations

After Plunderstorm I don't want them to hide anything other than story ever again

[upper pasture]

Idk, I’m enjoying it. It definitely beats weeks of silence

It’s nice to see the devs excited about what they are doing and treating it more as a fun hobby than a 9-5

[tepid fiber]

Good to remember that they're people and not videogame machines whose purpose is to spoonfeed you content

[deep pawn]

They were just a lot better at pacing their announcements and testing last year. Something has definitely slipped a bit in that regard.

So people are seeing the actual consistent content release and expectations from last year and comparing to this year which is of course going to cause discontent

That's not even considering the rate at which SoD stuff is happening and how fast those devs react to balance things.

Got Max out here making disappointed videos about s4 too

Not that I know why he expected anything else

The feedback they got last time was,"fated was cool, we just hated the affix"

[upper pasture]

You’ve got to consider these are different years too, one happening in the middle of the expansion where content is more or less planned out and then this year where it’s the end of an expansion and we’re heading into the next expansion. Usually around now is a lull of content which isn’t true for this expansion we’re getting awakened season, a whole new way to collect weapon mogs from the raids. We’re getting the revamped M+ stuff, plunderstorm, whatever timerunning/pandamonium is.

[pulsar minnow]

I’d rather have this kinda communication than what we had in shadowlands…

Personally, the content drought ain’t so bad as previous expansions. And even then I’m just playing other games

That’s the best part of DF. wow isn’t a job, unlike how it was in SL

[upper pasture]

I wouldn’t even consider it a drought tbh. There’s something new to do. You just don’t like it

[tepid fiber]

Basically

[pulsar minnow]

I mean that’s definitely true. I’m just saying in terms of “the twilight of the expansion drought” that usually happens

[upper pasture]

It’s just the end of a season and we’re waiting for S4

[deep pawn]

I'd probably been all for Plunderstorm if they had announced it at Blizzcon as a new game mode inside the WoW client like Battlegrounds is to Hearthstone. I'd have been a lot more chill with it

[tepid fiber]

Usually around now it's a whole lot of nothing, is what he's saying

[upper pasture]

Which happens literally every season

[deep pawn]

There's a ton of people who are upset that they have no excuse for cutting a 10.3 this time around. SL people let pass because of COVID.

[tepid fiber]

What 10.3 did they cut?

Was there an actual cut 10.3?

[upper pasture]

How could they cut something that probably didn’t exist in the first place?

[tepid fiber]

Or are you upset over something that you wanted to exist but weren't promised or advertised?

[pulsar minnow]

Ngl as pissed as I was that there wasn’t a x.3 this time around, I do like what they’re doing to make up for it. We’re getting fun experiments to hold us up til next expansion. It feels healthy for the game

[tepid fiber]

I don't understand inventing reasons to be upset

[deep pawn]

Didn't exist, cut, same difference. People expected 4 tiers like Legion and BfA. They settled for 3 in SL because it was a dumpster fire and COVID. DF wasn't supposed to have any of those issues and all we're getting is a new expansion a couple months earlier.

[tepid fiber]

Definitely feels good for growth. It's how we end up with new, more polished stuff later

[tepid fiber]

Didn't exist and cut are two different things entirely. One never existed, one did but was taken away. It's being mad you don't have candy when nobody said you were getting candy

[deep pawn]

Blame Blizzard for treating SL as a COVID expansion and DF was supposed to be back to normal?

[tepid fiber]

A fourth tier wasn't advertised in any of the roadmaps

[tepid fiber]

No, be happy for what you get and provide constructive criticism for things that have problems other than "I don't like it, this wasn't made for me"

[deep pawn]

Because people were all "surely fourth tier is in 2024, surely they wouldn't skip that twice in a row"

[tepid fiber]

It wasn't in the roadmap

[deep pawn]

We didn't have a roadmap for 2024.

People just figured there's no way Blizzard would only plan 1 year of content for a 2 year expansion.

[upper pasture]

If the model of 3 tiers and a fated tier helps get the next expansion out faster and gives them more time to polish it then so be it

[tepid fiber]

Times change

Ugh, this is depressing and miserable. I'm going to go have fun playing the game

[deep pawn]

3 tiers and fated I'd say drop the cost of the expansion and remove the boosts.

I still have two boosts sitting unused haha

[upper pasture]

If anything I think fated/awakened tiers are great gives the expansion one last time in the limelight before moving on to the next one e

What does boosts have to do with developing a game? I’d hardly say it takes any development time.

[deep pawn]

It just feels like they despite the team being larger then ever, just can't match what they did in Legion and BfA and that's what baffles people.

[pulsar minnow]

I’m actually really excited for fated personally. I didn’t play s1 bc of OW2’s launch. Didn’t really like S3 because I’m a solo player and fighting the groupfinder sucked. So for that reason alone s4 is great imo

[deep pawn]

And even then last year my memory was "content launched, the next ptr is up in a week". Hell we even had one period with 2 ptrs up at once.

I just feel like they fumbled the retail messaging to start the year compared to SoD.

[tight wagon]

https://twitter.com/soulsobreezy/status/1773902285678248365

Soul💙 (@soulsobreezy) on X

Heya warcraft pals, there's a pretty interesting survey if you wanna check your email

Twitter · Mar 30, 2024, 2:37 AM

[deep pawn]

alas, not me

[tight wagon]

me neither 😔

apparently something about realms

i imagine blizz wants to merge all of them since next expansion even guilds will be cross realm and character selection

[deep pawn]

hmm, I saw the tweets about the cata pvp servers

I mean I basically presumed servers were dead regardless

leave them as legacy for char names is basically what it is

but they have to merge the AH's and work orders for cross server guilds

So it's gonna happen, this might be asking how players want to handle name and guild names

[uncut vault]

I think it’s a shame that the conversation is fated OR a new patch, and not… both? lol

Like, TWW is coming out way sooner than a typical xpac, there’s no particular reason why we couldn’t have gotten a final zone to properly flesh out DF’s story and world content, and then also gotten a fated season to round things out before and end-of-year xpac release

[upper pasture]

Idk, I feel like if we want better content we need to take the “recycled” patch to help give them time or we need to take a loss and go into one drought to give them time to develop an extra patch.

[uncut vault]

…again, they can do both lol

[upper pasture]

They could do both if we gave it time sure

[uncut vault]

They can still take the time with a fated season to further develop the next xpac, after having also done a proper fourth tier

TWW has less time than any other expansion ever as it is right now

[upper pasture]

But we would see a delay in content surely

[uncut vault]

A “delay” to the regular xpac release schedule isn’t really a delay haha

[upper pasture]

I think it might just be the expansion didn’t have a 4th tier planned, probably won’t ever have a 4th tier planned ever again

[uncut vault]

Oh I don’t think if was ever planned

I just also think that is bad lol

Dragonflight absolutely speedran all its story elements

Because it had no time to tell them properly

[upper pasture]

It’s just when people start thinking that their own headcannon is the way the story is going then it doesn’t go that way people get upset

And then start screaming “cut content” it’s just not healthy for the game.

[uncut vault]

The infinite plot easily could have been a whole patch on its own, giving Murozond and the bronze dragons a proper presence and narrative instead of just Chromie wrapping it up in one dungeon

[upper pasture]

I would have definitely liked more DF story beats but we can assume some of them aren’t over

I’d love for more infinite stuff

[uncut vault]

Vyranoth could have had some time to actually gradually shift her ideals, instead of going from 0-100 in the span of two cinematics lol

[upper pasture]

We prolly will see it too, I’m hoping at least

[uncut vault]

We could have, yknow, actually seen Alexstrasza do something meaningful on screen beyond fighting Raszageth

Or not relegated the Tyr plot to a side quest with way too small a budget

[deep pawn]

2 months earlier I think

[uncut vault]

I think cut was just used/interpreted wrong there

A fourth season was cut - it was just cut in the ideation stage with intentional design

And not cutting losses mid-development

[deep pawn]

"reduced raid content"

[upper pasture]

I will say again, I’m a firm believer that this is the new normal, 3 tiers then fated/awakened.

I wouldn’t mind if we get half tiers back

[uncut vault]

I think that’s their intent, I just think it’s a bad intent haha

Dragonflight having so much non-raid content and reuse of the existing world is top tier

It just shouldn’t come at the cost of the amount of new raids and zones we usually get

Shadowlands is not the standard I think they should want to match for that haha

Especially with such a massive dev team compared to past xpacs

[deep pawn]

there's 0 reason this expac has less content than BfA

[upper pasture]

I’m thinking they are trying to make a new standard for normal and when that becomes easier to produce then we will see more. Maybe TWW will be the same maybe we will get mini raids back.

[deep pawn]

I can tolerate 3 raids if expacs last 18 months and are cut in cost

but I'm scared that they think an expac just needs to have 4 zones and 8 dungeons

[upper pasture]

They are trying to simplify things first get their footing back then they will be in a better position to create different things

[uncut vault]

I kind of worry that the top-end backlash to Augvoker made them afraid of the whole “mid-season shakeup” thing

I hope it doesn’t, because stuff like that is exactly what the game needs going forward

[deep pawn]

at blizzcon their exact words were that each expansion would have "4 zones, 8 dungeons, and a raid" because that's what an expansion is.

And that type of formulaic doesn't bode well to me.

if TWW's PvE content is 8 dungeons, 3 raids, and 1 megadungeon and that's it, I'd personally be disappointed.

Maybe I'm alone but I'd love to see them try to add 4 unique dungeons vs 1 mega dungeon

just for the hell of it

we've had a mega the last 8 years and as m+ DotI was definitely the least well received in m+

[uncut vault]

if only there was an xpac where we got a megadungeon and two dungeons in the patch cycle lol

[deep pawn]

I mean they did in Legion but it's always assumed that came at the cost of WoD

Legion also had 4 full raids and a mini raid

and one of the coolest final zones ever

[upper pasture]

i think they mean, when a expanison launches it has 4 zones 8 dungeons and 1 raid, what comes after can always be different

[upper pasture]

you must be hearing crazy stuff, everyone i've seen loves DoTI

[uncut vault]

high end folks definitely don't haha

[deep pawn]

see, even that wasn't always the case

I remember the time when expansions would launch with 2 or 3 raids

[uncut vault]

as a story guy, I like it a lot for how well it tells its narrative (even if the ending.impetus is super dumb lol)

[upper pasture]

but it seemingly the case moving forward as by their words

[deep pawn]

I wish I didn't see that as a problem

[upper pasture]

i wish you didn't see a lot of things as a problem

the thing with multiple raids on release or in one tier is it creates either the need to run both for gear (which is super disrespectful to players time, which the players seem to hate) OR the higher tier/one with better rewards completely invaildate the lower one.

and as player have been asking for less "need to run" content they won't release multiple raids at once to make sure there isn't a need for players to feel like they would be missing out by not doing one or all raids

[deep pawn]

MSV as an intro alt raid and splitting the first tier into Heart of Fear and Terrace was well received I feel.

[upper pasture]

not for those stuck in MSV hell wishing they could do the higher raid

[deep pawn]

I have a ton of fond memories of MSV and Highmaul

being formulaic in what an expansion is leads to what EQ1 has become

or even ff14, but 14 has it's story to carry it

[upper pasture]

i mean, they are experimenting now with what other content they can deliver us so if an expansion launches with 4/8/1 but then we get 2 more raids and a mega dungeon then the redux season. there's still room for the plunderstorms and pandamoniums of the future. that's still a lot of stuff outside of whatever else the expansion is bringing into the fold.

[deep pawn]

I honestly just want more dungeons and raids

[upper pasture]

and you might not be so invested in the story of WoW but there IS a story in WoW and for some players that is also a selling feature

[deep pawn]

I like the story, I just think 14 does it well enough and the fights cool enough to get away with the formula

I can't deny some WoW patches being 3 minutes of dialog and 2 quests is a tad lacking to me

Goes back to Porterguage's "rushed"

[upper pasture]

does FF come out with content at a regular pace? or is it just expansion after expansion?

[ember blaze]

where are the other support specs

[deep pawn]

they've slowed down a tad because of COVID. The last two expansions ended up being a 5 year cycle instead of 4, but the content was very regular.

We aren't sure if they're going back to 2 year cycles now that they've gotten back to summer releases.

There's hope

[upper pasture]

so, when WoW does give you a little bit of content inbetween major stuff it's not enough or too little effort but sony will give you nothing and it's okay?

i just asked a FF main friend and she basically said it's very little actual content inbetween expansion releases. idk how reliable it is but

[deep pawn]

Square has given me a years long story that concluded masterfully that wrapped itself up with about as perfect a bowtie as it can get. That gives it a lot of slack that I can't give WoW where it's major selling point is constantly pumping out PvE

14 does less raid encounters over an expansion but the fights are all very engaging and despite being 10+ minutes don't feel as wearying as WoW boss fights that long and I still can't say why.

[upper pasture]

i'm gonna be honest the raid content i did in FF seemed very stale. it's as was explained to me "a dance and once you know the steps you can do the fight no matter what"

[uncut vault]

Endwalker hasn't been the best indicator, they focuwed a lot on single player stuff for long-term health during the patch cycle in order to make future patch updates easier

Shadowbringers and Stormblood both had a lot in their patch cycle

[upper pasture]

where as WoW there's dps checks/healer checks and what not

[deep pawn]

I like the dance in many ways. Maybe I just get lost in the flow of it all and the longer fights become about doing the dance and my rotation better as self progress whereas WoW is throwing one shot mechanics at you constantly to stress you out.

Honestly for someone who hates PvP, Crystalline Conflict has been rather fun

[warm topaz]

back in Alpha, Max did an interview with Ion where he said that they would like to do/add more dungeons like they did in Legion with Cathedral and Seal, we have the megadungeon but beyond that, i don't know why they haven't added more

https://youtu.be/9Uac2ZQuXpU?si=iVxD23VJZQSR4haP&t=1426

here is the interview where they talk about that topic.

[silent urchin]

I think any time if you ask Ion "Would you like to add more content" the answer is yes

[warm topaz]

i think is interesting to hear what Ion said, i really like Max interviews and Ion answers, their main focus is design philosophies, i find that fascinating

[warm topaz]

Trios to Plunderstorm!

[austere gazelle]

lmao ppl called for DH nerf on day one without listening to valid review saying to wait for gear, legendary and set, and now here we are. AGAIN

the whining mob is annoying

[pulsar minnow]

Dev

[deep pawn]

Balance looks rather good. Funny the chart cuts off Aug entirely

Aug is the lowest

[austere gazelle]

for more insight yea

[deep pawn]

Most specs are within their 10% band

I love how BM hunter will always be popular regardless of their tuning

[austere gazelle]

that's true, still doesnt warrant the nerf that hit the DH ( and the BM )

DH always have great start at beginning of season and progressively became even with other classes because they take less on their stats in term of raw dps than the others

[pulsar minnow]

Good. Screw Aug. all my homies hate Aug (please dev is so much fun I don’t want to play Aug )

[deep pawn]

I like both but Aug gets faster key invites

DH also has a very dominant tank spec which means many dh mains are the not as good players lowering the average

[molten niche]

cuz its the easiest class to play

[deep pawn]

I don't think it's the easiest spec right now, but who knows.

[austere gazelle]

There are other classes that are in a worse spot than DH too anyway

[austere gazelle]

ret paladin is easy :p

[molten niche]

i main ret in retail. bm hunt is east unless u want a class with little no abilities then u go dh lol.

[austere gazelle]

Dh got a gameplay that is way harder than pal ret tbh

[molten niche]

not really. i mean its to muhc movement for my liking.

[austere gazelle]

I play both. I can tell you pal ret is very much easier than a DH

[warm topaz]

what the best way to farm all the rares on Ohn'Ahra? @upper pasture

[molten niche]

i play both to. dh is just to much movement id rather dh tank than there dps lol

[signal bone]

I hate what they did to dh

Movement + essence break is so annoying

I just want to unga bungalow

[thin warren]

Is there anything known yet about the War Within alpha?

seems quiet

[ionic terrace]

all we know is that it's between 10.2.6 and season 4

[thin warren]

i see

[warm topaz]

is this month for sure

[zealous sedge]

I bet we see the last batch of hero talents in the next week or two and see Alpha launch last Tuesday of April which is the 30th.

I imagine the hero talent system will be the most scrutinized system so obviously they’d want that out front and center and then maybe war bands and delves after.

[molten niche]

they did say the hero talent tress will all be released before alpha started. i mean we all saw what happened to the holy/disc tree. so many ppl crying its alrdy getting changed

[zealous sedge]

Yes true. Im curious about the long term philosophy for the hero talent system. Is this seen as the solution to eliminating borrowed power (which has never been popular)? If so, what’s the solution to having a reward system that grants a unique increase in player power for every level on the road to max, while ensuring it doesn’t get too bloated with the amount of options. It’s a hard problem I Warcraft has always struggled with. As we get into expansions after TWW, how does the system adapt without returning to a talent tree “squish” and then steadily increase over time before then inevitably coming to a squish or cut again?

[deep pawn]

alpha is next week or the week after, only way the schedule works

[cosmic beacon]

are these overall damage or?

[deep pawn]

hah

devs took a potshot at us pvp haters

I know it's meant as a joke, but feels a tad tasteless to me, but what do I know.

[thin warren]

They got a point tough

xD

[deep pawn]

I did the mage tower, I'm not against a challenge, I just didn't like Plunderstorm

[sullen dawn]

Nah it's funny

If care bears don't wanna PvP don't. Most people aren't gonna transmog as a pirate anyway

[austere gazelle]

Tbh you can do a fair amount of pve in plunderstorm

[tepid fiber]

That's hilarious

[thin warren]

sure you can, just kill all mobs and let you get killed

[deep pawn]

hmmm, no week in wow post yet, maybe saving for tomorrow when people aren't gonna dismiss it as a joke

[dense plover]

its also easter monday

[deep pawn]

Not a holiday in the USA given they posted news on good Friday

[vernal juniper]

https://twitter.com/Marlamin/status/1774875028418425246

Martin (@Marlamin) on X

The promo images for the new shop set have caused some discourse in the datamining discord. The tower as it is in-game only has blue Alliance banners, but the promo shot has it with red and blue (minus emblem) banners. Good spot by @Berenal7! Just for promo or something else? Hm!

Twitter · Apr 1, 2024, 7:02 PM

pandamonium related?

[thin warren]

Cool

[deep pawn]

I think just lore in general

Probably going to see a joint military venture maybe?

10.2.7 has the Harbinger quests after all

[thin warren]

That would be cool

I want it already

[pulsar minnow]

probably Stromgarde related

their colors being red white and gold after all

[tepid fiber]

That's what I thought

Like, the Horde doesn't have a copyright on the color red

[pulsar minnow]

yeah, and after all we know for a fact that Arathi has been reclaimed by the alliance and Stromgarde in-lore is actually a city and not just empty like in-game

The arathi are also gonna play a massive role in TWW so I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we see it renovated at all

in fact, a return to arathi should be EXPECTED

[deep pawn]

Different Arathi

[pulsar minnow]

Still Arathi.

[deep pawn]

The modern kingdom has little relation to the offshoot of the ancient empire that made its way underground

[pulsar minnow]

I'm aware they've been separated for a while, but so have the tauren and the highmountain

or the nightborne and night elves

they're still heavily related.

[deep pawn]

Humans change a lot faster than elves and Tauren do.

[pulsar minnow]

it really doesn't matter because they're still arathi. All human kingdoms came from the Arathi

Arathor, the dude who united all humans and is the reason for the name Arathi, lived in what is now Stromgarde.

AKA: Arathi Highlands.

[tepid fiber]

Any human interested in their history of ancient Arathor will probably want to know more about this ancient offshoot and vice versa, especially in the case of the city-state still named after that empire

So seeing one or the other doing some kind of cultural investigation or exchange is natural

That's a common thing we see in WoW anyway with split-off societies

[pulsar minnow]

I guarantee at some point we'll go back and explore some more stuff to do with stromgarde and the Arathi. All we know is that they're in Khaz Algar because they were guided there by a fallen star. There's absolutely a story to be told here.

It'd be stupid to think we wouldn't get anything delving into Arathi history this expansion

[tepid fiber]

That and we know they're completely devoted to the Light and Anduin is spending time with them, which makes sense since he's doubting his own connection to the Light

And they're having their own Light-related (or lack thereof) issues

[pulsar minnow]

My personal hope is that the Arathi stuff will lead into Anduin becoming a Paladin

[tepid fiber]

Right??

[deep pawn]

I hope not, he's never wanted to fight, at his core he is a priest still

Plus the fact he can canonically use shadow magic

[pulsar minnow]

Maybe, but remember all paladins were once priests

[deep pawn]

Not all

[tepid fiber]

Or warriors!

[pulsar minnow]

When Anduin Lothar died, Turalyon changed classes in the middle of the Battle of Blackrock

It sounds corny but I’m praying we get Anduin popping wings after hearing Varian’s ghost going “you must be willing to fight” or something

Would be so badass

Manduin would be real at last

[deep pawn]

I'd personally prefer to see Anduin find the balance

Everyone has a dark side, and you need to learn to use those feelings to make you a better person

[pulsar minnow]

That’s kind of the central point of Anduins character. His struggle with identity

He still lives in his fathers shadow

[deep pawn]

His current crisis was he enjoyed inflicting pain. That's the shadow side of being a priest. He needs to reconcile that

Light and shadow are two sides of the same coin

I think he'll spend time working with Alleria for sure.

[pulsar minnow]

Well yeah. But it all links back to his conflicts over the years. He’s always advocated for peace, so much so that bad things have happened because of it. Then he went the polar other way in SL when he was violent. Now he doesn’t feel worthy of his people or of his fathers legacy

Now he’s stripped himself of everything that once defined him besides his fathers sword

[tepid fiber]

He even got a dramatic haircut like any other white girl going through issues

That's how you know he's experiencing serious character development

[pulsar minnow]

Varian’s final message to Anduin was that he must believe in peace, but he also must be willing to fight. My hope is they’ll carry through on that. He’s improved his swordsmanship by essentially being a warrior for the past two years by himself

It definitely seems like he’s going down the path of taking his fathers lessons, and his own

And redefining himself

And ultimately I think that’s what’s fucking amazing about what they’ve already set up in TWW. We got one cinematic with the dude and the potential for his story looks fantastic

[tepid fiber]

Not to mention those eyes 😩

[pulsar minnow]

Kinda wrote a whole essay here lmao 💀 Anduin and Thrall are my favorite wow characters so the World Soul Sagas got me hyped

[tepid fiber]

Hey you're not wrong

[worn crown]

I think TWW cinematic was boring AF. At leat there's story potential

[deep pawn]

I'm not interested in Thrall's story at all

Anduin and Alleria are who will move most of it forward for the first two expansions

[tepid fiber]

Need more Baine 💪

[deep pawn]

I'm fairly sure we're gonna be killing some of the Arathi for sure

You don't have an isolated militaristic society based on dogmatic religion that doesn't become an issue

[pulsar minnow]

That is part of the story. There’s division in the ranks of Arathi especially now that the Nerubians are super juiced

[deep pawn]

My main question is if Xalatath manages to corrupt the Naaru inside the star or not.

[upper pasture]

i'm just happy the Nerubians are back

[tepid fiber]

Living Nerubians are back

[zealous sedge]

It was definitely on the tamer side compared to all the other cinematica, but I have a feeling we’ll have a more action packed one before the expansion launches.

[deep pawn]

With the hotfixes I'm really surprised at no weekly schedule

[deep pawn]

Maybe tomorrow we'll see my desired hero talents and in dev posts scheduled

[zealous sedge]

Yeah I really want to see Shadow Priest this coming round

[plain violet]

🤣

I shouldn't have laughed..

As for TWW heroic talents, I wait for the SP too!

[austere gazelle]

If the next expansion is midnight, she will suceed somehow. And I think this crystal is related to An'she or his heart

[deep pawn]

That seems like a stretch unless he's always been a Naaru

[austere gazelle]

Or Naaru were modeled after him, after all, they are being presented as creation of Elune, who is An'she's sister

And since the link was proven ( Elune's tear worked on Light's heart ) there is defo a link between the Naaru and Life's Siblings

[vernal juniper]

ptr build today?

[tight wagon]

we didnt get a this week in wow yesterday right? could that mean something or maybe they just forgot

[silent urchin]

it means yesterday was probably a holiday, or at least a lot of people took it off

[deep pawn]

They did hotfixes for both sod and retail but who knows

[tight wagon]

is it holiday in the us? i didnt know that

[tepid fiber]

Yesterday was April Fools Day. It's not an official holiday or anything, but nobody is going to want to put out real news or information because chances are nobody will believe it's credible or real or sincere

You even have the clown pfp you should know this

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/Wowhead/status/1775197098872385903

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead) on X

Primal Storms are now spawning 2 at a time!

#Dragonflight #Warcraft

https://t.co/wOiiqqWSiU

Twitter · Apr 2, 2024, 4:22 PM

thanks god

[thin warren]

True, it would have taken just a lot of waiting xD

[warm topaz]

https://www.wowhead.com/es/blue-tracker/news/eu/this-week-in-wow-2-april-2024-24078327

[ionic terrace]

s4 april 23

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1775206566767071289

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

Season 4 of Dragonflight arrives April 23

🐉 Awakened Dragonflight Raids
⏳ New Mythic+ Rotation and Progression
⚔️ New PvP Season
🎉 And more!

Twitter · Apr 2, 2024, 5:00 PM

[silent urchin]

curious what the and more is

unless that's just the rotating weekly quest

[upper pasture]

probably just hte open world rewards

[vernal juniper]

told ya

23/04

old news

[zealous sedge]

Sheesh this means Alpha within two weeks for sure

[vernal juniper]

09/04

probably

there was a clue somewhere

can't remember where

[zealous sedge]

Shouldn’t they release the last batch of hero talents before they release alpha though?

I guess they could do it on the same day

[silent urchin]

The hero talent thing and place on the roadmap were all just goals and subject to change

if it comes a couple weeks after s4 it's no big deal

would be nice if they communicate it tho

[tepid fiber]

Tbf, nothing is solid until it goes live

[vernal juniper]

09/04 Alpa 15/05 10.2.7

ez

[tepid fiber]

And even then it's one of those malleable solids

[upper pasture]

hmm...S4 starts on a TW week, i wonder if we will see two bullions from complete the TW weekly quest

[thin warren]

Still 3 weeks!

[upper pasture]

can't wait for the cries of people complaining that S4 isn't content and they want info on 10.2.7/insert whatever else here

[tepid fiber]

Saurfang was killed and the Mag'har entered Azeroth in front of the gates of Orgrimmar in the middle of Brewfest and nobody blinks an eye. S4 starts on a TWing week and everyone loses their minds!

[upper pasture]

i need 153 bullions outside of upgrades to get all the mogs, i need to know if i'm getting them easy or not lol

[tepid fiber]

[thin warren]

sounds like a lot

[hoary trail]

are the bullions capped like dinar in SL?

[upper pasture]

we know they are capped at holding 12 at a time (i think) but it seems they are a reward from the weekly quests so it might be 2 times the amount of weeks in s4 would be the real amount you can get

of course not including alts

[tepid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[thin warren]

https://tenor.com/vEjA.gif

[upper pasture]

i wouldn't say it's THAT complex

[thin warren]

😄 haha

https://tenor.com/be0bI.gif

this then

[upper pasture]

yeah more like that

[tepid fiber]

Mine stands

[thin warren]

Gumballstar

https://tenor.com/90Vc.gif

ok, enough gifs xD

[upper pasture]

if the silly basket owuld stop giving me mogs i've already got that would be nice.

[thin warren]

oh, that's stupid

[silent urchin]

Do you not already have a ton of the mogs from just doing the raids?

[upper pasture]

not the weapon mogs

which are the ones you get to buy with 1 bullion each

[thin warren]

so with that date known when will pandamonium come!?

few weeks later?

[tepid fiber]

Inb4 the inevitable "Pandermonium" memes

[upper pasture]

new movieS?? oh yeah, i'm looking forward to the next 20 years of Warcraft

[deep pawn]

I'm really shocked at no 10.2.7 ptr or hero talents this week

Either Timerunning is super easy to test or something else is up and it's later than 9 weeks

We also have alpha in the next 2 weeks if the roadmap stays true

[crystal pond]

Where is the TWW alpha?

[silent urchin]

gets delayed every time someone asks

[tepid fiber]

April 31st though

[deep pawn]

Just nervous cause we are entering the time frame where this alpha and beta could be even shorter than DF

And while levelling was fine, dungeons and raids lacked a lot of polish and talents also were left unfinished for months after

[upper pasture]

let's just assume alpha is for F&F/CCs and not for the public. maybe it's already being tested internally and it being on the roadmap was just to please the people who need to see it on a list to believe it exists?

[tepid fiber]

I could get behind that

[deep pawn]

They haven't done a long secret alpha since Cata and alpha has been a ton of free advertisement for them in the past with streamers

[tight wagon]

no more ptrs after 10.2.6

no more alphas as well

see u in release day

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-smile-cat-smile-orenge-cat-smiling-gif-23133369

[vernal juniper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx-HmR1Cfvs

[deep pawn]

I didn't hate it, in many ways I would have preferred it to TWW

I would have absolutely made a Tigron

[silent urchin]

I feel like that doesn't actually explain how it was made

was it just a paintover?

[deep pawn]

Looks like it, maybe slight model moving, either way impressive

You know what I forgot? I totally forgot they're adding Earthen as an Allied Race.

[pulsar minnow]

Cool to see how it was made. Insanely well done leak, I remember I was in here going “this is the one!” And defending it for a while before Blizzcon. I ate my words hard

Super glad we’re getting TWW and the World Soul Saga instead tho. The game needed this next ambitious step

[deep pawn]

oh crap

the aotc mount is going away

no friendship dragons

[subtle oar]

This is news to you?

[deep pawn]

it kinda is, the rest didn't go away until the expansion went live

[cosmic beacon]

Did the jailer one go away with s4 or was it end of expansion

[upper pasture]

Honestly, I don’t remember. I think it was with S4 but I wasn’t invested for that mount

[deep pawn]

It was available in prepatch even

I got my crab on evoker I'm pretty sure

Previous aotc mounts were quest drops, this is the first since MoP that was achievement based

[uncut vault]

this AOTC is def also a quest drop

I remember how weird the quest dialogue was about how it's from a sliver of fyrakk not corrupted by shadowflame

and then the reward is a shadowflame fyrakk lol

[deep pawn]

Weird as hell then. Maybe they'll clarify soon

But the season end post reads as the reward is being removed

[uncut lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/liquid-crab-rave-crab-rave-liquid-guild-crab-halondrus-dance-sepulcher-crab-rave-gif-25113266

[deep pawn]

If I have to try and get aotc before season end I will

[uncut lintel]

bro just pay 70k for a carry

literally baby gold

[deep pawn]

70k is still a sizeable amount and I've never paid for one before haha

I have a 478 ilvl warrior but good luck pugging as dps

I could try and do it on evoker

[uncut lintel]

ask a friend who has aotc already to just get into a pug with u

[cosmic beacon]

<@&299347348847329281>

[shrewd glen]

ty!

[vernal juniper]

just buy a boost they are very cheap

[uncut vault]

Probably less so now that this got announced lol

They were selling for like 10k last week

[austere gazelle]

Do you guys know if there will be a one week break before S4 or will the M+ content will be immediatly available ?

[deep pawn]

Should be instant

[deep pawn]

on stormrage at least people want 85k for fyrakk

services chat is unreadable

[cosmic beacon]

10k for a boost is literally not worth the time of anyone involved

[uncut lintel]

never seen a boost go for 10k unless ur asking for one level

[upper pasture]

you could prolly make 10k quicker by yourself without a boost team

[thin warren]

No news yet about next patch? about pandamonium? about TWW beta?

😢

[upbeat cairn]

According to the roadmap, TWW alpha should be sometime between now and S4

so thats probably the next thing we'll see if I had to guess

[warm topaz]

i'll never understand the: "buy more servers" take

when speaking about lag

well, not lag, the whole phasing thing that happened on classic

[tepid fiber]

It's because they don't know how server infrastructure actually works

[warm topaz]

not even that, it's just that they have explained several times that money doesn't solve that problem.

[rain cave]

more servers wouldn't immediately fix it either

it's more of a bandwidth thing I'd hazard a guess

which is kinda outa their control to a degree

if you've got hundreds of thousands of people trying to all funnel to your server, they're clogging up the lanes that you are also trying to send info back out from

[silent urchin]

People complain about lag but also insist on joining raid groups for every single outdoor activity, often to an RP server that has special sharding rules

[rain cave]

tbf world bosses do need raid groups

but nothing else really

[silent urchin]

Mostly thinking of other events where all you really need to do is tag a mob

[crystal pond]

Those lags often happens because of erros inside the game it self
Aka - game file that actually broken, or getting broken because of some specific scheme

So like getting more servers will not solve the problem because those bugs are world wide, and even if it happens on one server it will happen on all servers

And its not because "omg blizzard are bad with all those money" Like people are saying
It happens randomly to all games that have online system despite how experienced devs are
And people are too stupid to understand this

[warm topaz]

resources are finite after all

[deep pawn]

If it was possible to actually do a max researchers or superbloom solo or in a small group people would do it

But blizzard made those events take 30+ people to max

[ember blaze]

i have yet to see a purple bag for blooms since the first week of release

it should really scale with players

[upper pasture]

there's always a group in group finder thanks to needing to do them for the legendary

[zealous sedge]

I got an email today from Blizzard Research talking about an upcoming study session from April 15th to May 16th. What does it mean??

Alpha???

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/status/1776008292570918921

Algalon, Enigmatic Observer (@algalon_ghost) on X

New #Warcraft build found:
Internal (wowdev)🔐: 11.0.0.53949 --> 11.0.0.54013

Found at: 04-04-2024@10:05:46 UTC

Twitter · Apr 4, 2024, 10:05 PM

speaking of Alpha

[tropic trail]

Finally

[zealous sedge]

Oh shit maybe that is what the email was about

[warm topaz]

it's just a new build

[crystal pond]

I have suspicious that alpha will be closed

Aka - will not make it into public

[dense plover]

duh?

its alpha

initial alpha is partially dataminable typically

twitch streamers typically show off sometime later

than closed beta

[crystal pond]

I meant that we will not see alpha at all, only TWW beta

[dense plover]

oh no thats wrong

itll at least be dataminable

[deep pawn]

They haven't done a secret alpha since cata

It doesn't mean they may change their entire process again but they usually want testing before it's "feature complete"

[upper pasture]

did they not do internal testing for DF?

[zealous sedge]

I’m sure they did internal testing for DF and are currently doing it for TWW.

I’ll post a screenshot of the email I received today. Trust me, at first thought I thought it was a scam and went to the Blizzard Research Website without clicking on the link. But they had me fill out a survey and everything. I thing it’s just a waiting game until they announce whatever is happening starting on the 15th. Again, still could just be a coincidence but if the timeline stays true, then Alpha within the next two weeks makes sense.

[upper pasture]

GUR? never heard if them but they could just be the 3rd party handling cordination of it. i've also never gotten a beta/alpha invite that way from blizzard but let's hope it's a sign of the alpha coming

[zealous sedge]

Yeah I looked into what GUR is. It was kind of difficult to find but apparently it’s an in house department which is short for Games User Research.

[upper pasture]

yeah i was about to say the only thing i can find that looks remotely pertaining to it is "game user research"

[zealous sedge]

Someone said in another discord they were invited to the same thing but did testing at the Irvine location itself because they lived in SoCal. This was for 8.3 testing before it hit PTR they said.

[upper pasture]

neat!

[zealous sedge]

That was before Covid, now everything is online

[austere gazelle]

there is no more distinction between alpha and beta, since beta opens less that three months before release

You can be invited into alpha test anytime

but most of the time the first ppl going in are streamer and figures of the communities, and press

[crystal pond]

I know that lol :/

Im not new to wow

[austere gazelle]

Sry ahah , I meant that the Alpha might indeed be closed for the first month, but after it'll be opened by wave, and they'll do it quite quickly since now you don't opt in for beta but you reserve your slot through pre order

[deep pawn]

All beta means to blizzard is that it's feature complete

In this case that'll mean all dungeons and the raid are in, all hero talents, delves, and warbands

[vernal juniper]

not really I remember I was on alpha without talents on some classes

[deep pawn]

That's alpha

Not beta

[zealous sedge]

I emailed [e-mail] about the emaiI received yesterday to make sure it wasn’t a scam. They emailed back saying it was legit and said they are conducting a WoW study in the near future! It’s shaping up to be Alpha on April 15th I think!

[silent urchin]

That could be absolutely nothing to do with alpha

[zealous sedge]

Yes true

The timing could be just coincidence

[pulsar minnow]

It probably has nothing to do with alpha tbh

Studios do surveys like these all the time to see how players, well, play their game

[zealous sedge]

Word I’m just getting my hopes up lol

[silent urchin]

tbh it's a bit odd recruiting existing players

generally they like running brand new players through starter zones and so on

could also be like, in depth interview followups to that survey recently

I didn't get any email from GUR but also lmao that survey sucked ass

[upper pasture]

Could be a study on DF and how well it was received, since season 4 isn’t bringing anything “new” persay

But I hope it’s the alpha for TWW

But seeing as it’s a timed survey it’s likely to be access to the alpha for 4.5 weeks

[deep pawn]

We're only 3-4 months from prepatch, it has to be soon

[silent urchin]

Early dev content often pretty bad for stuff like this

But they might have some sort of vertical slice setup, like they often have playable at blizzcon

[tepid fiber]

Whatever it is, somebody isn't going to like it

[upper pasture]

They are prolly getting people in to test the hero talents tbh XYZ classes week 1 then different the for next week and so forth. They probably want to get some targeted testing before the beta tbh the only thing that needs testing on war bands is well..:it working and that’s likely just flagging all the items as BoA instead of BoP so not much they need to test there

[tropic trail]

feel like i saw something a little while back a wow influencer on twitter talking about a world of warcraft survey that blizzard had emailed people... did the questions ever come out?

[zealous sedge]

The questions in the survey I did were generic

I.e. how long is an average session when you play on PC

Or “how much do you play world of Warcraft” and it would give you multiple choice answers.

[ionic terrace]

oh hey .5 ptr realms are gone

.7 ptr next week i guess

[zealous sedge]

Is .7 gonna be the alleged PvE experiment Holly hinted to?

Or atleast part of the patch since their are other things obv

[austere gazelle]

TimeRunning - Pandamonium might be this yeah

Hoping its not some glorified bronze dragon race somehow

[signal bone]

Is that the cadence?

Next patch goes up week after

[upper pasture]

i doubt it's dragon racing by any means. we've been getting old zone races as cups i couldn't see them making a whole new event for MoP themed races instead of a MoP cup

Best thing we have to go off of is that vampire survivor item that got “leaked” so I’d wager it’s a VS mode with a wow skin laid on top

[deep pawn]

I'd rather a dungeon myself but maybe it'll be fun? VS wasn't exactly my cup of tea watching it

[upper pasture]

The thing is this and plunderstorm are them testing things not doing the same as always. So I can say without a doubt it likely won’t be a dungeon atleast a normal dungeon

[zealous sedge]

Speaking of dragon racing the Northrend cup should be up in a couple weeks. I’m guessing coinciding with Season 4 launch?

Very excited to be doing dragon races in Icecrown

[upper pasture]

I think it’s on the in game calendar still?

[upper pasture]

Yeah it’s on April 30th so the week after S4

[silent urchin]

It got quietly bumped a few weeks at one point but I don't think it's ever been formally announced

[warm topaz]

there are a lot of datamined items that support the idea of a vampire survivors mode

[shy thicket]

A vampire survivor mode sounds like plunderstorm but PVE

[austere gazelle]

might be a bit more interesting. lets see if it'll be phased out of the game content or attached to the progress of the story related to Xal Dark heart

[pulsar minnow]

The vampire survivors stuff is probably the Pandamonium mode tbh

[ember blaze]

agreed

[deep pawn]

If it's in game and it's my character doing it for a reason I'm chill

If it's an out of game mode like Plunderstorm I'm over it haha

[austere gazelle]

a vampire survivor game when you're a pandaren fighting horde of sha like demons

xD

[subtle oar]

Don't get me so excited

[warm topaz]

let see what This Week post brings today

[deep pawn]

I want alpha next week before s4

By most estimations we're just 5 months from the expansion going fully live so it's gonna break the record DF just set.

[deep pawn]

don't know if late or they're skipping again

Though Towellie has Alpha SoonTM on his stream title

[warm topaz]

remember the day that they "announce" Plunderstorm so late?

that was craaaazy

people were so mad hahaha

[upper pasture]

Some say to this day people are still mad about it

[vernal juniper]

alpha will be probably tomorrow

[deep pawn]

Wasn't it just them giving a patch date confirmation at like 8pm?

Wasn't even any real info

[pulsar minnow]

Blizzard Gear Store has been updated with a countdown to The War Within 20th Anniversary Collectors Edition

9 days on the countdown. Might be a hint to alpha soon.

[silent urchin]

gear store tends to be pretty separate to anything else

I don't think it really makes a lot of sense to have big promotions around alpha

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1777397734892277917

MrGM (@MrGMYT) on X

There is now a countdown on the Blizzard gear store for a “War Within 20th Collector’s Edition”

Twitter · Apr 8, 2024, 6:06 PM

[pulsar minnow]

I mean they did it for shadowlands

They revealed the Collectors Edition in the same preview where they revealed Alpha

[silent urchin]

shadowlands collectors was revealed july 9, alpha launched april 10th

[thin warren]

ah yes, i can finally preorder then

[pulsar minnow]

My fault. Shadowlands BETA was announced there

But still. Close enough

[upper pasture]

we might get a solid release date tho. i can't wait to see the collector's goodies 🙂

[pulsar minnow]

It wouldn’t surprise me at all that they’d drop both of those at the same time. Alpha begins, people see what the expansion is all about, hype drums up, people become willing to spend money

[deep pawn]

so the 17th, so late. 😄

late for me

I was ready for Alpha a month ago

[pulsar minnow]

Now that’s exciting. A release date would be super ballsy

But what is the world soul saga if not ballsy

[signal bone]

I don't think that countdown has anything to do with the alpha

[vernal juniper]

according to roadmap, alpha will be live before s4

so it will be anyday between now and 23/04

my guess looking at the scale they used it is, during this week, probably tomorrow.

but in these 14 days it will be live.

[warm topaz]

omg i can't wait

so excited

[pulsar minnow]

I’m not saying the countdown is for alpha. I’m saying it’s probably gonna be roughly around when they make an announcement for alpha in some capacity

[deep pawn]

Can I be mad that transmog set is Cata only?

[warm topaz]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/voyaging-wilderling-model-update-no-longer-a-shadowlands-recolor-338594

cool changes

[upper pasture]

Well I’m glad it looks better now

[silent urchin]

explains why it was a separate model file

[deep pawn]

They always said it was a new model

[signal bone]

still looks very similar

[uncut lintel]

if the face wasnt ugly on those mounts 😫

bro looks like wrinkly grandma who got turned into a fox

[tepid fiber]

You take that back about noodledog right now

[uncut lintel]

listen listen

i love the noodlefoxs

but the face makes me not ride them

its just really ugly for something i thought should be cute

[warm topaz]

probably the teeth thing is a bug haha

[meager warren]

I was off by only a few updates

am i psychic

[signal bone]

the teeth is a bug

[warm topaz]

some content creators are going to London next week, wonder what is it

[vernal juniper]

alpha 1st real data

can be today

as said long time ago

there were some hints for today

they also postponed the "this week in wow"

lets see

[austere gazelle]

there is also the collector reveal, maybe they will line all at same time. Collector + alpha starting etc

[warm topaz]

everything makes sense 🔍

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1777744326535131484

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

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Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 5:04 PM

[ionic terrace]

oh finally somethig

[silent urchin]

I'll take 10.2.7 ptr

it's not alpha but

[vernal juniper]

well

https://i.imgur.com/1bEw8GA.png

last time they did something like that, 2 days after ptr was live

[silent urchin]

I'm hoping today as they often do the PTR updates on tuesdays

[uncut lintel]

any cat mounts in .7

[tulip sun]

So we will likely get the ptr this week at least

[vernal juniper]

10.2.7 8th may, 11.0 27th august, save this.

[warm topaz]

like Legion

[deep pawn]

I'm still betting on a July 11.0 if they really want to stick to 8 weeks

Base tree changes and warbands are all that really needs to be ready in 3 months

[austere gazelle]

so expack on november then, as usual ?

[deep pawn]

Nah, September is my guess

There's no way they get away with fated lasting 7 months

[dense plover]

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/5VON1L3LM22F1702949709254.png
its between summer and fall

fall starts in september

so its before sept 22

but after jun 20

[austere gazelle]

we'll see. They can always delay the release, rushing xpack was never something that ended up well

[upper pasture]

as much as i hope it would fall on my birthday i'm betting july is a safer bet

[dense plover]

they wouldnt given a time frame if they werent sure

considering they were able to show off every zone in SOME detail?

its further developed than the last few expacs

[austere gazelle]

there is never something as " sure " in development process

[silent urchin]

they haven't given that much of a time frame, and it's just a roadmap anyway

zone terrain is always done super early in the process

which isn't much of a surprise as it blocks almost all the other content

[deep pawn]

they actually moved TWW up

It was initially hard fall

[upper pasture]

"moved up" or comfortable with sharing a harder timeline?

[austere gazelle]

Yeah they may be comfortable but that's never a given. A badly received feature that need rework, some code provoking instability or hard bug complicated to resolve, and so on... those can delay a release

[deep pawn]

what features besides warbands is there?

They have like 5 months to work on delves

[upper pasture]

yes which is why in the fine print there is the release date of "on or before 12/31/2024"

[dense plover]

yeah this is NOT a feature heavy expac

theyre sort of done with the feature bloat

it didnt work

they have to do additional class balance, delves, and then the same stuff as always

warbands doesnt require any tuning since its just character inventory stuff

there will be bugs to solve

but thats sort of it

[upper pasture]

warbands probably won't even need that much testing since it's pretty much "give them a BoA bank system and flag all or most items as BoA now"

[austere gazelle]

they can also have their internal reasons. IE : Shadowlands.

[dense plover]

rep

[dense plover]

shadowlands had a fuck ton of feature bloat

like - thats NOT comparable

[upper pasture]

and making sure rep is added correctly

[dense plover]

shadowlands had 4 covenants, the covenant adventure stuff, etc

plus the maw as an endgame zone that they tried to do unique design for

and torghast

TWW doesnt have that

it has delves

thats it

[upper pasture]

have they confirmed at launch is will be all the past reps or just the TWW ones and then doing the older ones "when they can"

[dense plover]

slowly working in old ones, but i suspect DF ones will be included at launch

since theyre based on the renown stuff

[upper pasture]

so then even less things to test

[dense plover]

the big ones for rep are going to be reps like the scryers and bloodsail buccaneers

[deep pawn]

No stat squish either

[austere gazelle]

Shadowlands had more rework than those " feature ". Storyline was heavily altered, they changed pretty much a lot of the stuff originally planned and despite beta delayed the release.
What I'm saying is that they can be comfortable with a release date but in development that is NEVER a given

[dense plover]

shadowlands was during covid, and had a lot of other stuff

[upper pasture]

the warband feature isn't going to be something that holds back releasing the expansion. and even more so it's coming in prepatch so it's likely already done since alot of the testing would be done by themselves

[dense plover]

theres not much for them to rework here

^

delves and class stuff are the major features

[deep pawn]

Warbands could be as soon as July

[dense plover]

and dynamic flying for other mounts

which is also just bug testing

[upper pasture]

warbands are in prepatch so yah

[deep pawn]

so ready to drop dragons

[dense plover]

i want my old mounts back

[exotic swan]

Please tell me the Dreadwake has dynamic flying.

[dense plover]

we dont know

we wont know until release

but i assume the plan is all flying mounts get dynamic flying eventually

[zealous sedge]

Yes correct all flying mounts will eventually have dynamic flying

I think they said at blizzcon their goal was to get ~400 flying mounts into dynamic flying.

At prepatch* I should specify

[silent urchin]

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/status/1777787579833651279 still just internal but maybe ptr soon

Algalon, Enigmatic Observer (@algalon_ghost) on X

New #Warcraft build found:
Internal 3 (wowdev3)🔐: 10.2.7.54100 --> 10.2.7.54171

Found at: 04-09-2024@07:56:02 UTC

Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 7:56 PM

[tulip sun]

Soooon

[tight wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/coming-in-hot-corgi-puppy-corgi-puppy-crash-gif-12421932

[austere gazelle]

I've having hard time imagining a water mount or a brain flying mount with dynamic flight tbh, I think some of them will never have the dynamic flight as we know it

[dense plover]

i bet they will, and theyll just have different abilities

thats what i expect to see in the expac - different sets of different dynamic flight abilities

theyre adding a way to switch between old and new flying afaik, so theres no reason they cant all get it

especially considering the one that comes from delves is a vehicle and not a living creature

[deep pawn]

I just want anything to get off this patch

[ionic terrace]

they back

we might actually get it today

[dense plover]

huh

i wonder what its gonna be

[ionic terrace]

apparently they are on 10.2.7 so

we just wait for build now i guess

[dense plover]

guess so

could be a while tho

its not unheard of

[tulip sun]

prays to the titans

[warm topaz]

that would be weird without an anoucement first

[uncut vault]

they didn't do a what's new in WoW at all this week for some reason, so they might be intentionally keeping something a surprise?

[tight wagon]

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/status/1777834141649715465

Algalon, Enigmatic Observer (@algalon_ghost) on X

New #Warcraft build found:
Vendor 2 (wowv2)🔐: 10.2.7.54100 --> 10.2.7.54171

Found at: 04-09-2024@11:01:03 UTC

Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 11:01 PM

another one thank you

[ionic terrace]

[tulip sun]

Vendor?

[zealous sedge]

I imagine vendor implies 3rd party vendors have access to the build

[dense plover]

its also for home testing/debugging outside of the main office

and deployment debugging

and server debugging

its probably not happening today at this point

its after 5 PST

[tulip sun]

Rip

[stray cradle]

good

[vernal juniper]

probably on 11/04, usually we have 2 days delay from when they ypdate the launcher

[tame monolith]

Something I'm trying to find online but having difficulty getting an answer for;

In Cata, if you for example start a raid and defeat the first boss on Heroic, can you switch to Normal and clear the rest like we can in Wrath?
Or like in ICC can you start it normal, beat an easier boss on Heroic, and then switch back? I'm hearing from some people that once you start a raid in a certain difficulty you're locked to that.

[molten niche]

Yea ur locked. U cant do the same raid on different difficulties. That didnt become implemented until warlords in seige of orgrimmar raid and ur notnlocked to tge raid ur locked to the loot so u will still have to kill whatever boss ur having problem on on the hardest difficulty still to get passed it.

[tame monolith]

But atm in WotLK you can change difficulties mid raid... Like early on in the phase a lot of us did Marrowgar and LDW on NM but switch to Heroic for Gunship, then switched back the NM for the rest.

[molten niche]

Unless they changed it for classic but how it was for retail originally it wasnt till seige.

Might be different for classic

So it might be the same as classic wrath

[warm topaz]

will we have any news today?

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1778106422590316804

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

Patch 10.2.7 and WoW Remix: Mists of Pandaria is now on the PTR!

Learn more: https://t.co/OkiC5aCgzB

Twitter · Apr 10, 2024, 5:03 PM