farseer seems a bit bruh as well for shaman
#beta-ptr-spoilers
rain cave
warm topaz
missed potential are def the words to use here
they need to do a rework with monk like they did with paladin
deep pawn
Celestial is better thematically
Shado pan is fine but flurry attacks has massive issues with dps vs tank hp balance
Shado pan is just to vague a concept I think
Given they have fighters if all disciplines
candid ruin
Twitter
deep pawn
Is she expecting issues with the downtime?
candid ruin
the real surprise will be if this all goes smoothly
hope they'll be able to fix issues within hours and not days 
dense plover
Is she expecting issues with the downtime?
no
its about patch notes
jeez
theyre gonna tell us what the secret is
deep pawn
I'd rather not get any notes
vernal juniper
I'm not, I think the big deal will be 10.2.7
this sound just like an elemental storm/dreamsurge event themed with pirates and maybe a freehold 2.0 dungeon.
upper pasture
is it too much to just enjoy each part step by step?
vernal juniper
yes 😂
deep pawn
Lightsmith paladin should be reworked to represent Draenei artificer types.
Summon mechs to buff allies and the capstone call down a mech suit for a few seconds
warm topaz
lightsmith need a rework yeah
tepid fiber
As long as it's not a GW2 Holosmith clone
tepid fiber
Question for you americanos 🇺🇸
It's not even 5am PT, reset hasn't happened yet
Still have another whole eighth of the day to go
Plus maintenance
rain cave
Lightsmith paladin should be reworked to represent Draenei artificer types.
Wellll those are more arcane
But I get what you mean
Though there's the issue of being too race coded
Could just be Naaru aesthetic though, and be fitting
That could be close to that
tepid fiber
More 👏 racial 👏 glyphs 👏 please 👏
rain cave
Tbf even if they just had a barber option to slightly change spell colour
Like making a paladins light more orange or white
Not by much as first though, because readability needs to be tested
silent urchin
https://twitter.com/TheWindstalker/status/1769901197585199255
Twitter
hopefully that's not all the post was
I guess it's some hint at something dawn related? https://twitter.com/TheWindstalker/status/1770074195470496080
Twitter
thin warren
looks up when the sun rises in America
upper pasture
It’s gonna be patch notes right? I mean that’s just a few mins before maintenance I believe?
Also this is insane hype for something that isn’t evergreen. Kinda strange, maybe we are being lied to about it being “limited time” maybe the event itself is limited but the system it’s bringing is staying. Idk just seems like a lot of hype for something that’s gonna be relevant for half a season
signal bone
$10 says it's just another zerg fest event on a timer (but with a twist, like following the tree in superblooms)
upper pasture
There’s no way they would hype it up half as much as they have been doing tho
tepid fiber
Watch it just be pirate hats on NPCs like when they put Santa hats on SL bosses
upper pasture
Man, we’re so close
candid ruin
upper pasture
Holy shit it’s a BR lol
upper pasture
This is…interesting
tepid fiber
I mean yeah I don't hate it
fast gate
I kind of do... i don't like BR, and i don't play them, so this seems like they spent a lot of resources on a feature that I don't want to play
upper pasture
I mean rewards aren’t tied to winning so even if you’re terrible at it you’ll still be able to unlock everything
tepid fiber
I kind of do... i don't like BR, and i don't play them, so this seems like they ...
Well then it's not for you. And that's okay
upper pasture
That too
tepid fiber
Not all content has to be for everyone
fast gate
True, and i know that, but i can still be disappointed
candid ruin
play it first, then pass judgement
fast gate
espcially after the way they hyped it. If they had said from the get go, it was a new game mode, i would have been okay with it
tepid fiber
play it first, then pass judgement
Yeah that's what I'm gonna do
upper pasture
Interesting times. I hope it’s fun to play
keen berry
blizzard really internet explorered their way into this one huh
candid ruin
read the bluepost, and watch the videos
silent urchin
I have, it just makes it sound worse
candid ruin
you can do the event, and get the rewards without worrying about the PVP aspect
silent urchin
if you spam the first couple minutes over and over
and I bet there's exclusive rewards for winning
upper pasture
Sounds like to me it’s gonna be a battle pass system for rewards. A la not needing to win persay to claim all the rewards just earn enough exp to claim everything
Just winning will likely make it faster
silent urchin
includes S4 set changes
and.. a surprising amount of class changes?
Lightwell has been redesigned
It's not even a meme
fast gate
While that is nice, earning the loot regardless, Time is a very limit resource for a lot of us, also, guessing a lot of us (well, me) don't like joining a game to just lose at it, over and over again... kind of demoralzing and never feels good
candid ruin
optional content
fast gate
When a game has you pay for a sub, nothing is really optional content... there what you choose to play, and what you don't. But it isn't 'optional'... if it was a buy on dlc thingy, than yeah
candid ruin
They've created (what looks like) a lot of new UI elements and game play which will be tested in this event, and later added into the live game
no one expects them to add a new game mode during an expansion lifecycle
upper pasture
I mean, it is optional content tho
But also we don’t know how hard or how much time is gonna be needed for all the planderstorm stuff so you’re putting the cart before the horse
fast gate
eh... i guess we are just disagreeing on wording here. But I see the classic realms as optional content. Stuff that doesn't interact with retail. But this mode has rewards that does, so i don't consider it optional
candid ruin
eh... i guess we are just disagreeing on wording here. But I see the classic rea...
do you feel forced to do PVP content in retail to unlock rewards?
upper pasture
It’s optional because no one isn’t going to take you to S4 because you don’t have the plunderstorm mogs
silent urchin
No, but pvp isn't advertised as a big secret feature for 4 months
upper pasture
It’s cosmetics
fast gate
No, i don't feel force, that isn't the issue. I choose not to play PVP, but i don't consider PVP optional. Its the idea that it is optional that i disagree with.
candid ruin
I think we should play it first, then pass judgement
I hate PVP, but this looks pretty cool to me, but we will see when we play
silent urchin
I don't really know what to think of these holy priest changes
they seem to be killing the meta build
but they also just have "reorganised last 3 rows" so who the hell knows what you'll be able to make
really annoying that they didn't give us a preview of this
gotta spend patch day figuring shit out
there's some nice QOL stuff in there for sure but the overall effect is ??
upper pasture
Probably future proofing for TWW
Not for nothing, I’m guessing it’s gonna be a fun game mode if max said he was gonna play this until TWW.
Idk I don’t see myself playing much past the rewards but we will see
signal bone
it's more pvpve I believe
I wish this wasn't a timelimited event and that you didn't get the rewards for just participating.
Just promotes more afk gameplay
upper pasture
Yeah, looting chests and leveling up. Assuming the first few mins are nearly only PVE like they claim (of course if you aren’t hot dropping) you’ll have some time alone to get some exp before dying to another player
silent urchin
I don't know why they can't just post the stuff that'll be visible in the client immediately
signal bone
I fail to see why they needed to make this secret
especially when they post the entire thing before the patch launches lol
candid ruin
y'all are funny
silent urchin
the game mode was going to be revealed as soon as the client patch was out
they haven't spoiled much of the mode itself, other than the generic gameplay mechanics
candid ruin
we're already data mining the patch, they have to release the blue post when servers go down or it will be datamined and spoiled
silent urchin
There are probably going to be a ton of semi-secret events to find, which is what they wanted to keep hidden
upper pasture
In typical fashion people are already crying in comments over this
dense plover
So semi secret battle Royale
Fun
An entire patch dedicated to pvp
See you in 8 weeks guys
dense plover
Untested events ? Bugs.
New server ? Queues
60 Player zone ? lags
Well, 60 players shouldn’t lead to lag
That’s small
candid ruin
austere gazelle
I'd be more confident if 40ppl world boss or superbloom event would not be a lag feast and if they could push new content that have been tested with lots of bugs... I want to believe in this, even if I dont like pvp, but the recent history gives me the morbs
vernal juniper
do you know how to download the patch from eu? I want to run wow.tools local
dense plover
I'd be more confident if 40ppl world boss or superbloom event would not be a lag...
That’s in a tiny area not an entire zone
austere gazelle
Well, 60 players shouldn’t lead to lag
Arathi warfront was also in a tiny zone and lagged
dense plover
Also super bloom isn’t laggy
candid ruin
??
dense plover
And I never got lag in the war front
austere gazelle
Also super bloom isn’t laggy
when you reach the last boss it is :p
dense plover
when you reach the last boss it is :p
That’s not how this will work tho
upper pasture
Imagine, a world where blizzard had internal and CCs test it
austere gazelle
I hope so, I truly do.
candid ruin
it may not be laggy bc there is a limited set of abilities
dense plover
By the time you’re limited to a small area there won’t be 60 people alive
upper pasture
Because 60 people isn’t a lot
silent urchin
superbloom had some issues in the first week or two, but they fixed a lot of the specific lag causes. It easily gets over 100 players without difficulty now
austere gazelle
By the time you’re limited to a small area there won’t be 60 people alive
I really hope you're right. but past event proved the opposite
austere gazelle
superbloom had some issues in the first week or two, but they fixed a lot of the...
And it was tested.. This is wild territory
" Here be dragons "
silent urchin
The other thing is it needs all the players and a lot of mobs stacked to cause lag, which isn't what plunderdome is
upper pasture
The whole point is to fight each other, there won’t be 60 people alive that closely, and you’ll only have like 4 abilities
austere gazelle
lets cross fingers, it might be fun as hell, but I doubt the first day will be
candid ruin
first day chaos is fun 
upper pasture
So staying alive isn’t going to be the same as retail
candid ruin
I wonder if it'll be time gated
austere gazelle
I wonder if it'll be time gated
dense plover
I’m more curious about rewards
Do you have to win or do you get a currency and buy the rewards?
silent urchin
there's a renown track
40 levels, 4-5 games or ~1hour per level
maybe faster or slower depending on how well you do
maybe some other rewards, they didn't say it was just renown
upper pasture
Loot items kill PvE mobs, kill players all gets plunder assumedly
upper pasture
New crest icons lookin fresh
signal bone
guess the season 4 mount is an infinite colored armordon
silent urchin
seems to be some LFG panel improvements too
dense plover
@candid ruin probably the holding zone before start
candid ruin
upper pasture
guess the season 4 mount is an infinite colored armordon
Oh that’s hot
signal bone
silent urchin
lol they're using the "Adventurer" class for plunderstorm, this won't cause even more weird data issues in future, I'm sure
signal bone
back to SL I go
upper pasture
https://www.wowhead.com/news/shadowlands-veilstrider-mount-added-zovaals-soul-ea...
Oh neat it’s with the SLs meta achievement?
candid ruin
[DNT] Corgi Cache (New) - Don't use this. No touchy. If you think you want to use this you don't. Talk to Alex if you want to use it. He'll also tell you not to use it.
??
even in 2024 they are very bad at naming things consistently
silent urchin
yup
upper pasture
Wilderlings were the long dragons in SLs no?
silent urchin
Yup
upper pasture
Neat
tepid fiber
Noodledawgs
upper pasture
Dinar is back, we get a fated mount, infinite mount for S4 M+. The only thing I need now from S4 is the DF meta achievement
silent urchin
where does it say dinar is back?
upper pasture
It’s a good day even outside of plunderstorm stuff
Maybe just a placeholder perhaps
Then again with that dude in our journal and the strange coin it isn’t too odd if the brokers show up to help us with dinars again
At least to me
silent urchin
smh blizz continues to lie to their playerbase
warm topaz
so excited!!
candid ruin
the people that make the addons and WAs are smart, idk about the players
upper pasture
It still takes a level of skill to pull some of that stuff off
You can give anyone a WA but that doesn’t suddenly make them RWF raider
candid ruin
guild cartels that enlist the help of hundreds to achieve a goal
upper pasture
You’ll wake her
upper pasture
I mean, truthfully it’s noon she should be awake
deep pawn
who doesn't immediately mute discord notifications
upper pasture
I think she does have them muted, I don’t but I also never have my phone out of vibrate mode
deep pawn
only 1 dinar cap is interesting..
molten niche
Dinar cap?
upper pasture
It probably will expand like the firsts ones did
1-3
At least hopefully anywho
Oh baby
The M+ mount
😍
molten niche
Picture?
upper pasture
signal bone
to the fated mount is just a recolor of the SL mounts?
upper pasture
No, it’s a new model according to blizz
signal bone
looks exactly the same. Probably just can dragonride
upper pasture
But you are correct it’s prolly just updated for dynamic flying
I will say for a fated mount it’s a little lackluster, not as exciting as the cat mount
molten niche
Cat u had to do heroic for though right? Glad they changed that
upper pasture
I think so? At least that’s how I remember it normal was title and heroic was mount but I’m not 100%
molten niche
Yea could gave sworn it was heroic
upper pasture
Interesting it looks like you’ll have to do a full clear of each raid too.
Instead of just the last boss
Of each
silent urchin
I do like the long dragon
Not sure whats actually new about the model
dragon horns?
upper pasture
Probably just dynamic flying rigging?
silent urchin
seems pretty close to identical
could be
but I'd have thought the wilderling was on the list for TWW anyway
upper pasture
On paper it’s the same but technically it’s different?
silent urchin
maybe it'll be changed before S4 comes out
upper pasture
Idk if I wasn’t in a guild that was gonna clear the raids at least once I’d pass on getting it truthfully
All awakened raids all at once? I wonder if my guild is gonna try and raid 3 nights a week for a bit
molten niche
All raids will be active at once? Every week or na
silent urchin
Bakar mounts have been in the files, but unused, for ages
so I guess this implies it's no longer unused
candid ruin
upper pasture
👀
Doggo mounts
as if anyone needed this to be confirmed M10s now give portals
well....in season 4
candid ruin
upper pasture
i wonder if it's tied to doing outdoors content in season 4. well....i mean obvos it's tied to S4 but the achievement title makes me think WQs or world events
silent urchin
oooh meta achievement
I am missing.. like two of them
ofc it's a forbidden reach achievement..
candid ruin
candid ruin
they call the progression track "renown"
deep pawn
you gotta play battle royale
most rewards are earned by completing a quest each battle
deep pawn
there's a single reward for being the winner
candid ruin
its PvPvE
uncut lintel
: ( uhgg but i suck at pvp
candid ruin
you do NOT have to do PVP to get rewards
deep pawn
if you never win all you miss out on is the tabard and eyepatch
thin warren
to bad
uncut lintel
hi negative person
thin warren
hi adhder
deep pawn
uncut lintel
you gonna play the nwe patch?
thin warren
yeah, will try some rounds for sure
uncut lintel
goodluck bro
thin warren
thx 😄
deep pawn
upper pasture
if you never win all you miss out on is the tabard and eyepatch
confirmed? or just speculation?
deep pawn
confirmed? or just speculation?
it's in the interviews
upper pasture
great, now i need to win at least one match lol
uncut lintel
this pirate thing is weird to read
is this like hearthstone card event
like in the hearthstone game
for flame saber back then
but in WoW
upper pasture
what?
is a whole different character select screen and a whole different game mode wdym?
dense plover
That season 4 mount is wild
The meta one
The rainbow fox dragon
I love it and I’m sad I won’t get it
upper pasture
ah, i'm sure you could find a group. i'm pretty sure slime cat raids had groups going all the time
just have to put in some effort.
thin warren
the great peach lol 😄 haha
who has time for raids, i only do LFR and mostly only once
i did all bosses in amirdrassil and like only the first wings 2 or 3 times, tops
dense plover
Nah I don’t have time to raid
And LFR is a shitshow
I would love if there was a simplified raid with NPCs
Story mode raid is a highly requested feature
ember blaze
I love it and I’m sad I won’t get it
Just do one or two bosses at a time
Normal is very easy and theres groups all the time
Or join those pug communities
Could even wait a couple weeks and its even easier with pugs
harsh mason
I really hope that this mode will be successful and will appear for an unlimited time in the future. Because it is literally a variety among other types of content
I mean Plunderstorm now
upper pasture
I feel like with any content they put out it will be great until the rewards dry up then it will die off
molten niche
yea hell i wouldnt even mind if they made it a permanent game mode but cycled out the renoun pass every 2-3 months or so
upper pasture
So if blizzard wants to keep it around they just need to freshen it up with new rewards
molten niche
cuz honestly once i get the m+ mount and aotc i dont do much in retail anyways
deep pawn
normal is easier than heroic was last expac
signal bone
well I would hope so lol
upper pasture
looks like it's the same toy from the MDI a month ago or so.
deep pawn
It's usually the second chance to get the current banner
upper pasture
or in this case 3rd since it's been the same banner for MDI and AWC and now this
dense plover
is there any info on how much rep you earn per match?
does it scale with placement or is it 500 for playing and 800 for winning?
silent urchin
low end is about 3-400 if you die immediately, high end is up to 1250
dense plover
oh dang
silent urchin
scales with rank, yes
dense plover
ok
silent urchin
2500 per renown
dense plover
but i could still die super fast and probably farm renown pretty quickly
warm topaz
games are really quick
dense plover
though matches are short right?
silent urchin
yeah, I think if you go all the way it's less than 15minutes
mostly it'll be less than 10
Not sure if there's any hidden MMR or anything
dense plover
god i hope so
silent urchin
or if it's going to be subject largely to who gets the best rng
dense plover
i dont want to get rofl stomped after a week or two
warm topaz
nah, like, i don't think is that skilled
upper pasture
yeah it's pretty rng, think of it as an advanced rock paper scissors basically
warm topaz
i mean, if you are good you can dodge spells and be quick with some defensives
upper pasture
oh winning isn't that important after all
just the FoS
the other things unlock for your retail account at 38/40
dense plover
yeah thats why im sorta interested now
the original post said winning had rewards
and i knew i couldnt
but i can passively grind while also working my way through the xmen animated series before xmen '97 releases
silent urchin
Yeah, turns out there's no actual long term reward for winning beyond a feat of strength
silent urchin
I think so
dense plover
b/c i have to assume the grind wont take 6 weeks
or the majority wouldnt finish
either that or people will like it and theyll extend it
silent urchin
6 weeks seems a little short. Might depend on how popular it remains
I don't really see why they wouldn't keep it running til at least TWW
dense plover
if rewards run out after 4 weeks or something thats why itll close after 6
once you get everything, theres nothing to do
tropic trail
like - is that just it?
i think there's been a paragon rep datamined but whether or not thats made it to live idk
signal bone
grind is definitely going to get nerfed, it's really bad
upper pasture
Idk, you get more the better you are, and doing the “world quest” is always a nice 250 plunder
signal bone
I mean...let's say you average 500 per game, that's 5 games for 1 renown. Which is 200 matches on average, probably around 150 on the low end.
the mode is fun
but it's too shallow for 150 matches...
I've done almost 10 and I'm getting tired of it already. People are going to start complaining hard in a couple days and Blizz will likely nerf it
upper pasture
Yeah but 800-1k is pretty average if you avoid other players and farm mobs for plunder
signal bone
still around 100
upper pasture
And in 5-8 mins for about 1/3 or 1/4 of a level it won’t take long to finish it
And? It’s gonna be around for 6+ weeks? This isn’t designed to be done in one sitting
Plus you aren’t counting the 800 bonus from each first quest of the day
upper pasture
We need more info then that
rain cave
or is it really just spamming 4 abilities over and over with no like
interesting scaling
upper pasture
You can level up yourself and getting duplicate scrolls will upgrade your items until 4
rain cave
yeah but the levelling doesn't do much mechanically
upper pasture
More health and more damage
rain cave
I thought it was gonna be like a rogue like where you chose a class then levelled it up through playing a match
picking talents/legendary effects
but atm it's just
upper pasture
It’s a BR I think you expected too much
rain cave
janky targeting and the same 5 skills 💀
upper pasture
It’s not janky, it’s skill based targeting
rain cave
it's very jank
it's based on camera angle not actual aimed position
or something
it's like smite
also WoW's old engine really struggles with anything that isn't unit or AOE circle target
upper pasture
Yes, which is skilled based aiming
upper pasture
Move the keybind then
rain cave
it's not the keybind
upper pasture
…
upper pasture
Yes
upper pasture
Which takes a bit of skill
upper pasture
I’m having a blast
rain cave
and it just feels a bit mediocre to me so far
nothing flashy
not much variation
same map every time / not many skills to choose
a bit slappy
upper pasture
Can’t make everyone happy I suppose
rain cave
wet noodle galore
I mean yeah fair enough
I'm glad they're experimenting
it's just rough that they've thrown out all the good parts of their game design that people came to WoW for when making this
I want to unit target people and cast spells that I know, with interesting new effects
upper pasture
As long as you stay on them it’s pretty broken lol
silent urchin
I think it's pretty intentional for some abilities to be much more powerful
upper pasture
Prolly increase its CD
warm topaz
Prolly increase its CD
yeah thats fine
warm topaz
it's just rough that they've thrown out all the good parts of their game design ...
i feel like thats part of experimenting
but i understand that some people dislike that
upper pasture
There’s things to counter FS but if you don’t have it your screwed
warm topaz
i do not understand tho that some people hate this event bc it is not what they wanted to be
thats weird
warm topaz
what i've seen is mostly positive and good comments about it tho
silent urchin
A lot of the strings are labelled "WOW_LABS", I suspect at least part of this is an experiment in changing combat to be a little bit more dynamic
deep pawn
I've played over an hour and I'm not 3 yet
I'm really thinking if not for the fact they tied cosmetics to this I wouldn't do it
I just don't like pvp that much
and I've never played a single BR game
this didn't need the secrecy
upper pasture
It absolutely needed it, could you imagine the outcry if they told people they were making this from day one?
warm topaz
this didn't need the secrecy
i don't think it was handled very well but I'm okay with that
we need more secret stuff
Twitter
ohh what is this for?
silent urchin
might just be decoration near the cup dudes
silent urchin
they seem to match the achievement icons
deep pawn
I don't give a damn about game modes being secret
upper pasture
Or maybe we’re getting better UI for tracking and showing off DR races
upper pasture
Copium
upper pasture
But I’ll have some
deep pawn
I want more WoW content, if I wanted to play a BR I'd go play a BR honestly
deep pawn
but nooo, they had to tie a really awesome mog set and what looks like a dynamic mount bird
jade basalt
What WoW content?
upper pasture
Man, one day. I hope we get player housing lol
jade basalt
A battleground? A dungeon? World quests? Which one should that mog have been tied to?
There's all sorts of different kinds of content. This is one more.
warm topaz
i think what Kyle is refering to is that this BR mode is not conventional WoW content
he wants things like Mage Tower type of content
not mage tower
jade basalt
Mage Tower was also not conventional WoW content when it released
warm topaz
just an example
warm topaz
Mage Tower was also not conventional WoW content when it released
yeah but BR is less conventional that Mage Tower bc it doesn't follow the "rules" of wow
jade basalt
Sure, maybe they should've tied that mog to PvP battlegrounds instead.
Then someone would've complained that this mog is tied to PvP battlegrounds when they don't do PvP.
upper pasture
His problem is he doesn’t like the event but likes the rewards and that pretty much chalks it up
warm topaz
for me is one of the coolest thing they ever done with WoW
upper pasture
You either enjoy the mog enough to do the event or hate the event so much the mog isn’t worth the effort
warm topaz
You either enjoy the mog enough to do the event or hate the event so much the mo...
or you love both
hahaha
upper pasture
Or you just like to scream into the void and hope they change it
jade basalt
I respect not liking the content, but I don't really get "I want more WoW content, if I wanted to play a BR I'd go play a BR honestly" which implies that this is not WoW content. It is literally a new type of content. And it's okay if it comes with like, a couple a rewards.
upper pasture
Or you enjoy the event lol
deep pawn
Mage Tower at least was MY character with MY abilities
upper pasture
To be fair you can make your pirate just like your character
deep pawn
Like I'll do this for the mog cause the plunderlord outfit is unique
warm topaz
Twitter
silent urchin
yeah, that's the S4 normal raid mount
jade basalt
The fact you create a new character specifically for this is the best part. I haven't spent the last three months spamming M+ and raiding every week so if I had to use my actual character to do anything I'd be in a severe disadvantage. But here everyone starts equal. (Yet skill can still make a difference.)
If this had been actual PvP or PvE I probably wouldn't have played it much or at all (or been able to).
deep pawn
To me this isn't WoW, and I'm salty I can't play the normal game to get this mog
The fact it's pvp when they know that's the least played game mode is 😦
It's fine, it's just not WoW to me
pulsar minnow
As someone who sucks at PvP, I really like this. It’s a nice change of pace for a game that suffers from often time having too much of the same
warm topaz
It's fine, it's just not WoW to me
yeah that's fine
deep pawn
It's like most WoW pvp, the constant moving and juking is giving me a headache
plus the insane amount of movement boosts involved
When did they add the Gilnean's Noble set?
oh, weird, they just gave it to everyone even if you haven't finished the quest
warm topaz
is really hard to get into wow PvP nowadays, i only know how to play disc priest in Solo Shuffle lol, its frustrating
deep pawn
Shuffle and BGs I'm okay with, something with how combat goes in Plunderstorm is just headache inducing
cosmic beacon
is really hard to get into wow PvP nowadays, i only know how to play disc priest...
Healer solo shuffle 
Worst thing ever designed in wow
deep pawn
bleh, I do need max rank with Soridormi
that's gonna take a while, my highest char is at rank 4
cosmic beacon
Don’t forget doti on heroic gives good rep for the boss kills
Iirc it’s a few hundred
deep pawn
the main weekly is only 1k haha
ember blaze
I want more WoW content, if I wanted to play a BR I'd go play a BR honestly
this is wow content
deep pawn
it's just not, it's basically a new game only tangentially related to WoW
its as much wow as hearthstone is
ember blaze
it's just not, it's basically a new game only tangentially related to WoW
wow map, wow mobs, wow characters, some wow abilities
deep pawn
And all I'm seeing is people who like collecting getting frustrated playing an unfun game and knowing they have to play this for a solid 30-40 hours
ember blaze
And all I'm seeing is people who like collecting getting frustrated playing an u...
sometimes we have to take the L and realize that if we dont like it, that's okay
but that doesnt mean the devs should not try some cool new stuff
deep pawn
There's gonna be a lot of rightfully angry people that this is what they did instead of actual pve or pvp content for the game we pay for
ember blaze
this is both
deep pawn
could've made a dungeon or two
could have made an arena map that lasts the rest of the game
ember blaze
this is actually something new and cool, as opposed of some random shit where you just afk in one place tagging mobs
oh look another mid patch zone where you just fly around to tag the spawned "rare"
i am so amazed by this new content i haven't seen before
that's pretty much what all these updates come down to outside of instanced zones
deep pawn
This is gonna be seen as more tone deaf than Torghast. If people wanted to play a BR they'd go play one. Just like people would go play a real good Roguelike if that's what they wanted
ember blaze
i just think that's a dumb argument
Here
Should we not get player housing because you can just go play a housing sim?
this is wow, not decorate your house game
deep pawn
Should we not get player housing because you can just go play a housing sim?
I don't trust WoW to really deliver it in a good way at this point, so I'm fine if they never add it. The engine clearly can't handle it
ember blaze
Should we just delete pvp because if i wanted to play pvp, id play a pvp game like league?
ember blaze
I don't trust WoW to really deliver it in a good way at this point, so I'm fine ...
you dont know that
look at what they just released with their new tech
im sorry the mode is just not for you and it sucks if u feel forced to grind it
but new stuff like this is good for the game
and they get to experiment with new things they can add to the new game
deep pawn
what is new in here except they expanded Empowered Spells?
candid ruin
you don't even have to PVP, do the quest, collect plunder, die, repeat lol
jade basalt
I mean a new dungeon would've been incredibly boring. Specially end of expansion. Specially since there's 8 more dungeons coming this year anyway, and with Delves too.
This is actually something new and different.
ember blaze
Id love to see some of these abilities too 
ember blaze
what is new in here except they expanded Empowered Spells?
action combat 
need more of that in the game
jade basalt
what is new in here except they expanded Empowered Spells?
That's just bad faith.
A dungeon would've been "new"?
ember blaze
A dungeon would've been "new"?
nah, just another empty zone with more recolored "rares" you tag once in a circle.
deep pawn
People are more than happy to have more of what they have been playing, especially after an expansion that delivered the least amount of dungeon and raid combat.
This expansion pulled off less raid content than WoD
jade basalt
That's false, people are always asking for new things
deep pawn
You know that expansion famously cut off early
ember blaze
outside of a missing raid tier, you got a lot
jade basalt
"People don't want new things" is a brand new take
deep pawn
if BR took time away from the live content team making better world content in the actual retail game, yeah I'm a tad disappointed.
jade basalt
It didn't, separate teams
ember blaze
but the game has been getting constant story content, some new zones
and world content
jade basalt
Literally nothing to do with Dragonflight, the work on this started years ago, by a different team
ember blaze
to say people should have more of what they have been playing is a weird thing to say
when they have
jade basalt
Yeah I'm flabbergasted to be honest, "Oh I wish we had just gotten yet another dungeon rather than something actually new and different" is a really mindblowing take.
candid ruin
WoW brain makes people hate change
ember blaze
im actually excited now with what else they can come out with
deep pawn
I've said since 10.1 that the devs needed to deliver more dungeon content. I'm not even a mythic raider and I'm disappointed for them that they got the least amount of content in an expansion EVER, and it didn't even come at the cost of more dungeons
ember blaze
since this is like a first of its kind thing
jade basalt
It's fine if you don't like it, but then it's just not for you. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be available for anyone.
candid ruin
if blizz gave us 10 dungeons in a new expansion people would complain its 2 too many
ember blaze
excited for whatever else they cook up
jade basalt
I've said since 10.1 that the devs needed to deliver more dungeon content. I'm n...
Just go re-do the 200 other dungeons from past expansions then
ember blaze
i thought dungeons were fine with what theyre doing
a lot of these dungeons in the rotation are new for a lot of people
deep pawn
I'm personally over legacy dungeons unless they're WoD or earlier
ember blaze
and maybe they could have spent more time with brand new ones, but personally i think modernizing decades old dungeons is good
jade basalt
The last few expansions we've gotten Mage Tower, Islands, Warfronts, Torghast, all new forms of content, on top of classical PvP and PvE.
This is one more of them.
You don't have to play all the content at once.
deep pawn
I'm truly burnt out on Legion and BfA
I lived them the first time, hated BfA the first time
deep pawn
BfA legacy dungeons haven't done anything to make me think of them more fondly
jade basalt
at some point they probably have to revisit older ones
They should, and they do
No point in spending years building a bunch of dungeons for people to only play them a while and then move on to the next expac and never touch them again
They are actively trying to do more "evergreen" features and content
Stuff that lasts, with replayability
Plunderstorm is one type of event, could be more. Point is, now they have the tech to do self-contained events like that.
deep pawn
They clearly know this is a risk and why it's only 6 weeks(Unless they just want FOMO)
The forums don't seem super happy though
candid ruin
people that actually play the content are pretty happy
ember blaze
The forums don't seem super happy though
expecting anything less from the forums?
everything the devs do is the end of the world there
deep pawn
They really should have just made a pve way to get these rewards and a lot of the complaints would disappear.
candid ruin
you don;t have to pvp to get the rewards
ember blaze
you get progress by doing pve
deep pawn
You have to opt into a pvp combat game
candid ruin
litearlly do the quest, run around grab plunder then leave
deep pawn
There's a reason war mode is dead
jade basalt
Have you actually played it
candid ruin
the pvp does nothing for you
deep pawn
I did, I'm renown 3, and it was a miserable hour of grinding
If you're lucky you see no one else, you just do boring pve
with a character that's not your own mashing r
jade basalt
That sounds like WoW content alright
candid ruin
killing the same boss, on the hour, every hour would be better?
another superbloom event?
deep pawn
If this is the alternative to superbloom, I'd rather them not do any world content
ember blaze
They really should have just made a pve way to get these rewards and a lot of th...
which pve
jade basalt
You mean like world quests? treasures? professions?
oh okay so now no world content either
deep pawn
I don't think I've enjoyed a world event since Forbidden Reach?
ember blaze
the only way to please everyone with a reward is if you made it a world quest that took 5 seconds to complete
jade basalt
Nah, people would complain about the fact it was too easy
ember blaze
the new mount that youll get out of normal will alienate some people that will refuse to even try
and they wont get it
despite normal being incredbily easy
jade basalt
I don't think I've enjoyed a world event since Forbidden Reach?
I mean you don't seem to enjoy lots of things
candid ruin
if you refuse to do the content you don't deserve the rewards
ember blaze
mage tower is a pve mode with rewards
people still bitch despite that
cause it's not a 5 second world quest anyone can do
candid ruin
Depsite that you can expact blizz to add a recolor of all these rewards to something else
deep pawn
Depsite that you can expact blizz to add a recolor of all these rewards to somet...
Should have been in place with the launch
ember blaze
sometimes we gotta take the L and realize we're not getting the cosmetic that has 0 impact on your game
that you probably wont even wear out of your 2k options in your mog menu
jade basalt
Should have been in place with the launch
You still would've complained that this 1 recolor is tied to Plunderstorm
deep pawn
This pirate one is one of the better ones, the first two, I agree, they'll be left to dust
candid ruin
They will nerf the event to the ground near the end anyways, you can login and collect all the rewards then
ember blaze
You still would've complained that this 1 recolor is tied to Plunderstorm
thats the recolor i wanted! 
deep pawn
They will nerf the event to the ground near the end anyways, you can login and c...
I think I agree with the forums they put the cosmetics in to encourage the pve fodder to go in for the pvp'ers to farm. Also gotta chuckle at the opening they left with people able to just call this Blunderstorm
candid ruin
what else would they add as rewards
jade basalt
wot
candid ruin
you do not have to do pvp to earn anything
deep pawn
just gotta be there for others to kill, it's the same thing as people playing warmode for bonus exp
candid ruin
I've been farming this since launch and I've never worried about another player during the first 10mins
im literally afk typing in here
jade basalt
Yeah that's nonsense
tulip sun
I don't worry about players until it's down to the last couple
You can easily succeed without interacting
tight wagon
i made it to top 1 by literally killing only one player
was afk farming the whole game
deep pawn
I think part of my issue is the pve is kinda boring, the abilities all feel the same so far, most mobs are the same "dodge the frontal" "get tickled by a whirlwind"
jade basalt
That's kind of like, all PvE
deep pawn
And I might find it boring because I'm not playing a class and spec I know and love
jade basalt
Fair
deep pawn
I'll probably give it another shot if they double plunder gains
ember blaze
I think part of my issue is the pve is kinda boring, the abilities all feel the ...
that's about as engaging as all world content
so what's the issue
deep pawn
Probably because it's disconnected from the rest of the game
ember blaze
kinda funny this is more engaging PvP than what the game has 💀
who knew not getting sheeped, sapped, stunned for a bajillion years, or having to run in a circle around a pillar would result in more engaging gameplay
candid ruin
if pvp was like this I'd play way more of it
deep pawn
who knew not getting sheeped, sapped, stunned for a bajillion years, or having t...
clearly you haven't seen the stun and silence abilities much
ember blaze
clearly you haven't seen the stun and silence abilities much
they have counterplay
a mage in the main game just clicks your character and spams sheep
a rogue saps you in stealth
signal bone
You guys think we’ll get the 10.2.7 ptr before season 4?
deep pawn
If s4 isn't "new content" every 8 weeks, we need 10.2.7 in 8-9 weeks from now
dense plover
that would have us with: S4 PTR, TWW Alpha, and 10.2.7 PTR
well alpha will likely be streamers only for a bit
deep pawn
It's a question on if s4 is in 6 weeks and thus 10.2.7 is 14 weeks from now or not
I don't think the roadmap allows for that so I'm thinking 10.2.7 is a few weeks after s4 starts regardless
candid ruin
well alpha will likely be streamers only for a bit
true, and 10.2.7 doesn't need really good testing like S4 should get
deep pawn
I dunno
We have 0 idea what timerunning is
My hope is I like it much better than Plunder
deep pawn
It's just not a shock that people who pay for an MMO aren't exactly thrilled when a piece of content the devs themselves hyped up, turns out to be a genre of game they don't play.
plain violet
Not a shock indeed but some clearly need to touch grass, especially when you see all the comments of people that didn't even tested that yet, or were spamming minsinfo about how it work to justify it being a failure.
deep pawn
it's definitely slower than they made it sound in interviews, but maybe that was a late change or something
silent urchin
postmaster sent me an unknown item that broke my bags :(
jade basalt
It's just not a shock that people who pay for an MMO aren't exactly thrilled whe...
WoW isn't 1 genre though
WoW literally has a Capture the Flag mode. This is a Battle Royale mode. Both are WoW.
thorny venture
Lots of doom and gloom over on reddit and WoW forums
upper pasture
i really don't expect anything different when it comes to WoW's vocal community
tepid fiber
Exactly. Everyone is going to bitch about something
upper pasture
it's a great game mode for what it is, it isn't like the whole of WoW is turning into this BR mode
tepid fiber
"Uhm, excuse me Mr John Blizzard, but this content wasn't specifically catered to me and everything I didn't know I wanted. I would like one month of compensation of game time and for you to quit your job"
thorny venture
Exactly. Everyone is going to bitch about something
Such is the way of the WoW community
tepid fiber
Not just the WoW community, but gamers in general
vernal juniper
she is so right on that
everyone have their own opinion, I prefear not to listen people paid by the brand they are defending TBH
thorny venture
Online gaming communities just generally suck overall, from games like Fallout to fighting games to WoW
upper pasture
yeah but she's right, people need to go touch grass. it's okay to not like something but to kick and scream online about how it's unfair and stupid is well....childish.
thorny venture
Especially if that kicking and screaming also involves lambasting players who do like something that those wackos don't
pulsar minnow
I don’t really get why people are so pissed. For a x.x.6 patch this is pretty freakin neat
We’re in a content lull until TWW, and the devs are just experimenting with new stuff
upper pasture
we aren't even in a lull, it's just the end of S3 waiting for S4
pulsar minnow
True actually
silent urchin
this is literally an experiment made by one of the smaller studios they acquired and not the main dev team
upper pasture
cough cough spellbreak team anyone?
pulsar minnow
I’d take this over another world event any day of the week
silent urchin
or well, the released version involved the main dev team, but it did seem to be based off spellbreak work to begin with
upper pasture
i would be shocked if the people that got absorbed in that buyout didn't pitch this project or do the intial groundwork for it.
rain cave
I’d take this over another world event any day of the week
Defo but those aren't on the same scale
This has a lot of art and systems made for it
Simple weeklies like fyrakk assaults are gonna be a lot quicker to make
Though I appreciate the experimentation
Since world events this xpac have been a bit boring
But yeah if I was to give feedback to the plunder team, let us choose classes, and loot unique talents and stuff
Since its a bit button mashy and limp
swift copper
https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1770253657323237703/photo/1
Honestly I feel like this mount is kinda a downgrade to what we got back in Shadowlands for fated season
rain cave
Simple but not in an amazing way
pulsar minnow
Defo but those aren't on the same scale
I mean they’re both added in the same types of content patches
rain cave
I mean they’re both added in the same types of content patches
ehh kinda
we've not had anything like this before though
rain cave
is it just me or are the rewards really inconsistent
my first 3 matches I was getting like 900-1500 rep
now getting 360
in the match where I did my best so far :p
silent urchin
there's an 800 bonus for the first one each day
Mostly depends on how long you spend in game though, go to near the end and you can definitely pick up a ton of plunder, die early and it's less good, but as long as you complete the quest it's generally pretty efficient no matter what
rain cave
dailies my sworn enemies
upper pasture
they are literally so easy to complete
just write down "do plunder dailies" on a sticky note and put it on your monitor
upper pasture
sigh
it's like 4 matchs to be fair
you need to do your first one which should net you around 1200-1500. then two more at 500 each, then throw in a bonus one for good measure.
i already did the math in another channel you need about 2400 plunder a day if it lasts 6 weeks
but sure keep up with the reasons why this event is "bad"
warm topaz
i already did the math in another channel you need about 2400 plunder a day if i...
i think they could buff a bit the amount of renown you get per game
or nerf the amount of rep you need to fill a lvl
upper pasture
oh they could it would help with reaching the 1 mil FoS but 100k isn't unobtainable
deep pawn
You realize many people play like 3 hours a week and want to do other things in the game?
This shouldn't be your ONLY thing you do for 6 weeks to barely hit the 100k rep
It's not what they said the pace would be
even then, it's a side content that awards what is normally a $25 quality transmog
As a BR, it's fine. But it's not WoW and many people are going to resent it has such a good transmog reward that you can't get playing the "real" game
The way you have to fight in it gives me a head ache with the constant moving and bouncing
upper pasture
matches take like 4-5 mins. so you can't set aside 30 mins to play a game mode you want the rewards for?
deep pawn
My average match is like 10 minutes if I'm getting 600 plunder
I could "optimize" and leave when I hit 300-400
but that feels self defeating to optimize that hard
upper pasture
my point still stands if you want the rewards youll do the thing it's not/ shouldn't take anyone "the whole event" to hit 100k if they log in and do like 3/4 matches
which is like 30 mins of gameplay
deep pawn
That's if you're lucky, there's many many people who get matches of less than 100 rep
I can tell cause by the time I hit 500 rep there's less than half the people alive
upper pasture
but i understand you don't like the gamemode and that's fine but constantly talking down about it when people are just trying to enjoy something new and fresh that the devs worked on and felt the need to keep it under wraps
silent urchin
as long as you're actively doing stuff and not just trying to hide until the final few, it doesn't seem worth it to try to optimise short vs long matches
upper pasture
it's not hard to hit 500 drop into a heavy mob area and kill everything
deep pawn
All the players are gonna learn from this is "When it's hidden, they know the reception will be negative"
upper pasture
bam easy money
silent urchin
just get the quest done then go do whatever
upper pasture
All the players are gonna learn from this is "When it's hidden, they know the re...
wrong
rain cave
they are literally so easy to complete
not a matter of being easy
I just hate that they want me to log on every day instead of letting me just blow this all out of the water quickly
I'd rather be done with this in 1 day with my cool transmog since that's the only reason I'd want to play it
deep pawn
you can do it, it just takes no lifeing for 30 hours or so
rain cave
also the captains orders aren't daily, I randomly had one proc just now
2nd/ 3rd time today
deep pawn
The most annoying captain's order is the 2 items
upper pasture
there's one every match
deep pawn
You get a captain's order every match
upper pasture
you get one every time you drop
rain cave
The most annoying captain's order is the 2 items
that ones pretty easy, just a bit silly
deep pawn
there's a daily extra 800 for doing 1 captain's order
silent urchin
depends where it drops you
rain cave
you get one every time you drop
I'm not seeing them on my sidebar
silent urchin
it loves dropping me on the sodding troll area which has no chests
rain cave
did i minimize it by accident like quests on live
everyone gets starts in the same place drop wise don't they?
then you glide off to where you want
upper pasture
no
silent urchin
no you start very spread out
you can glide some distance but you end up having a pretty good chance of dropping ontop of someone who is already level 3 or 4
rain cave
is it 2500 for every rank btw
rain cave
ok thank
deep pawn
or maybe 97,500 but the difference is minor
rain cave
orders aren't every match
deep pawn
It just comes back to this is the same as torghast, people don't want another game mode inside WoW, they'd just go play those games that already exist in better formats.
deep pawn
orders aren't every match
they are
you might just be finishing them faster than you think
upper pasture
yes they are
deep pawn
one is kill 10 mobs
deep pawn
Torghast was a bad roguelike, this is a fine BR but it's totally divorced from the RPG people play
upper pasture
did you finish the intro quest?
rain cave
I believe so
though even that wasn't very well communicated lmao
didn't know it was even a thing till like my 3rd match
but yeah it seems just hot dropping over and over and risking dying early is the play since regardless you get like 200-300
but staying the whole match is like
700-900
bruh this guy was level 4 literally not even 2 minutes into dropping 💀
uncut vault
or nerf the amount of rep you need to fill a lvl
I feel like this would be smarter because it means people's current earnings would carry over
rather than feel like a waste of time
upper pasture
yeah, kill things don't dilly dally. dropping onto an elite is a good way to get a level right away
deep pawn
elites don't give a level on their own despite what people say
upper pasture
yeah but youll be up one ability and like 80% of the way to level 2
deep pawn
you get an ability the first thing you kill regardless
upper pasture
ah, could have swore the little stuff doesn't always drop an ability
deep pawn
It does the first one you kill
deep pawn
Might be the s4 ptr getting ready to go
silent urchin
that';s the current live build
warm topaz
Twitter
upper pasture
lol i cannot believe people are truly this upset about this minor patch
deep pawn
People are upset because we thought we were getting something for WoW, not a new game haha.
That will be the criticism that lasts from this, you aren't playing WoW when you play plunder storm
It's fine as its own separate game, but people are allowed to be grumpy
upper pasture
There’s grumpy and then full on fits
deep pawn
Hearthstone adds new game modes all the time, usually along side releases for the core game.
Like I personally have no idea how successful the gacha version of hearthstone was
I tried it, got my mount but that was it
Battlegrounds as an autochess was relatively successful
But people don't call it hearthstone, they call it battlegrounds because it is a different game.
People unsubbing are probably a bit hyperbolic, but I get being angry when blizzard is hyping up what they call a WoW patch and you get a different game entirely.
At least the meta achievements are cool when they finally add the mounts lol
silent urchin
it's real weird how those are broken
I got sent an item by the postmaster which is unknown and breaking my bags on login after patch and I suspect it's another broken achievement reward
deep pawn
I finished the waking shores and the time rifts one yesterday
I'm dreading how much fishing I gotta do for Azure Span
Also the elemental storms one is hell on earth given wowhead doesn't track the schedule anymore
upper pasture
I just have to pet two dogs and the 6 more dailies
deep pawn
I gave up upgrading my fishing equipment because fishing stopped being profitable really fast
silent urchin
Just got the dailies myself (I think)
deep pawn
I have to finish a bunch of the grindy stuff in the forbidden reach
ember blaze
I gave up upgrading my fishing equipment because fishing stopped being profitabl...
That bs is just rng from fishing right
deep pawn
50 scrolls and 100 treasures is annoying
Yeah, gotta fish til you get a bunch of rare green stuff
ember blaze
50 scrolls and 100 treasures is annoying
Oh god i wanted to finish the schieve from that zone ages ago until i saw this dumb one
deep pawn
And then fishing nets and lunker rares give you the blue stuff
There are items you can buy to help you find the treasures and scrolls faster, but the scroll buff resets each time you find one
ember blaze
And then fishing nets and lunker rares give you the blue stuff
I think i trashed all my baits 
deep pawn
I do want Taivan and this sounds like a great way to fill time til tww for me
Gonna pick like an achieve a day to work on
Need to find out which alt is closest to maxing cobalt
It sounds like Taivan isn't going away like the SL title so no massive rush
signal bone
I really hope they revisit some of the sl achievements
like get rid of grateful offerings
soo annoying to have to farm those on top of anima
deep pawn
Eh, it's fine
warm topaz
Twitter
deep pawn
Twitter doesn't work well on my phone so I don't know what that refers to lol
Muffinus shouldn't have made his first tweet sound stupidly ominous
I don't know what would be better for me than cutting the grind in half or more
silent urchin
He's tweeted several times they're looking at nerfing fire swirl and some other stuff, as well as the renown grind
deep pawn
I don't use Twitter so I only see stuff posted on here or reddit so that "for now...." Is literally the second thing I've seen a dev say about Plunderstorm
Goes back to Devs really shouldn't be using twitter to give news
rain cave
just got nearly 2k rep from 1 match because I just cascaded accidentally
jade basalt
Hotfixed on EU as well?
tulip sun
Oh wow
silent urchin
said all regions, but EU is going down for maint in 5min
untold totem
hi
one question this game has people
I'm going to start playing it
deep pawn
I think it's still popular
silent urchin
oh hey EU back up already
still don't know what this is :(
postmaster mailed it to me on login after patch
deep pawn
It's supposed to be one of the meta achievement mounts
Supposedly hotfixed
Check your recent achievements and see if a mount is in collections
They added mounts for each zone, time rifts, and taivan
deep pawn
Seems low, kill moar!
silent urchin
and the mounts/new achievements don't seem to be showing up either
deep pawn
Still bugged theb
silent urchin
and as you say, the mounts should go direct into the collection so not sure what the item is for
... blizz may have broken something. I got 3 messages of the day when logging in, two for completely different guilds
deep pawn
It failed to add to collection so it tried to send it to you
tight wagon
No need for it to be in this spoiler-channel tough 😛
its because this channel is mostly used to talk about new stuff
vernal juniper
you can get 3k per win
1st win of the day with quest its like 2.5k
second win is like 1.2k+
vernal juniper
odds for a ptr build today?
dense plover
odds for a ptr build today?
0
There’s no ptr on vendor
We just got 10.2.6
Season testing will be started after they notify
Because they need people to set aside time to play through raids and dungeons
deep pawn
There's no in dev post this week so I'm not expecting one.
I do hope it's soon. I really want to get to Timerunning
Gimme 10.2.7 in 9 weeks
warm topaz
rain cave
1st win of the day with quest its like 2.5k
did they buff it?
when I won yesterday I had like 1.5k
warm topaz
did they buff it?
ye
deep pawn
it was 800 for me a few hours ago
upper pasture
the daily bonus isn't increased, plunder from kills PvE/PvP and golden/above chests are.
glad niche
ugh. rank 20 orz half way there
upper pasture
You can do it! Just think it’s only been 2 days!
glad niche
2 MORE AND IM DONE
upper pasture
Well, 3
glad niche
shh
stoppin for now tho
i don wanna do no more
its east coast prime time now anyways
glad niche
that is basically my goal, i just keep goin if the rounds have been kind
pepe is in 4 more ranks
rain cave
I’m just doing 5 levels a day
I get burnt out after 1.5
takes a good chunk of my evening to even get that
dunno how people can sit down and play the same thing for multiple hours if it's mutliplayer
like even normal WoW usually I get on for 1-2 m+ once in a blue moon atm
tepid fiber
Friends, communities, engagement, fun, interest
rain cave
what about em
upper pasture
that's how people play for more than 1.5 matches
rain cave
there's nobody to really play with :p my wow friends aren't playing it
I'm not in any communities
upper pasture
you seem to have the same issue with M+ tho too
rain cave
the game mode isn't really that engaging to me, it's more like an idle game
not very hype inducing
upper pasture
you said it yourself you hardly play 1 or 2 keys
rain cave
yeah because it feels like the game actively fights against me sometimes
upper pasture
it's literally nothing like an idle game
rain cave
in not fun ways
rain cave
it's literally nothing like an idle game
it's a really simple game is my point
literally just play it muted while listening to other stuff as like a time waster
upper pasture
ah so it's like checkers then
rain cave
I'm inherently not a huge fan of battle royals in general tbf
I don't like how everything resets
and you can't take some kind of starter loadout in
I want to play my build
I get fun out of buildcrafting and making em work
upper pasture
the starter loadout IS the basic loadout
rain cave
that's what I mean
when I was reading their post
I'd assumed this would be like
make a character, choose their classes, level up to get talents and legendary effects
not this
upper pasture
if you could customize the loadout everyone would decide "X is the strongest" then everyone would run that
tepid fiber
If you don't have fun playing it, that's okay. Not everything has to be for everyone. The people who do enjoy it, can
Exactly
rain cave
if you could customize the loadout everyone would decide "X is the strongest" th...
but that's what happens anyway
that argument has been done to death imo
upper pasture
so to cut to the chase they made it so everyone starts with the basic stuff
rain cave
who cares if meta slaves find the "ideal" thing
tepid fiber
Plenty