beta-ptr-spoilers

[winged dagger]

I'm that 1%!

[rain cave]

and that's ok

but yeah something to note is that this discord is not the average playerbase

I'm not saying remove the moose, the moose is fine for people who like it

but as the monthly reward yeah you'd expect to see something bigger and more impactful ig

like the candy swords, the stormhammers as people said

[winged dagger]

The average player interacts with thier guild only and maybe clears lfr raid and mostly does world content, to my understanding

[rain cave]

not even guild

[upper pasture]

but that's the thing you're saying "this can't be the reward cause it's not BIG enough" and you invaildating the people that like that content.

[winged dagger]

I did not enjoy last months rewards, not for me. Tmogs I'll never use. Ever.

[pulsar minnow]

I dont even have a guild 👀 i just do M+ for KSM and clear heroic thru pugs

[tepid fiber]

If they only give rewards of one type of content, people will only get exposed to that type of content

[winged dagger]

That's a great viewpoint

[upper pasture]

we've had weapons and mounts as a reward in the past. let the battle pet people have a win for a month

[winged dagger]

As a huge pet battle fan though. It's hard as f to get people to look at it because it hasn't received an update besides "new pets to collect" since mop.

[tepid fiber]

I know people who have never touched battle pets despite playing for over a decade, and end up loving either collecting or accessorizing with or running pet battles or pet battle dungeons

[winged dagger]

Lots of people in the pet community love just getting the cute pet and having it follow them. No battles. Just collecting cute pets

[tepid fiber]

And that's fine too

[winged dagger]

So my hope is the pet has a special emote, animation or somethin. Not just "static moose.png"

[tepid fiber]

The baby mooses do little dances, it's really cute

But yeah, when people get upset about a certain type of content being featured just because it isn't their thing, I get this massive wave of ick. It's entitled, really

[winged dagger]

The thing I love about wow is that it's a world with many players in it doing different goals. And alot of them have different endgames.

[tepid fiber]

Absolutely

[winged dagger]

For some it's getting invincible to drop, for some it's mythic raid, for some it's just playing the A.H. all day

[tepid fiber]

Yeah, let people enjoy stuff and be exposed to different things

[winged dagger]

So like don't invalidate someone else's endgame. But I still say they could have picked a different pet. It's a goofy moose.

[tepid fiber]

They're so cute

[upper pasture]

you know what would be great for alts

[winged dagger]

More of them

[upper pasture]

if blizzard made an icon for signifying if it has a vault to open on the character select screen. similiar to if they have mail

ngl 60 is sorta a handful

[pulsar minnow]

I mean I dont think its unreasonable to expect the monthly reward to appeal to most players

[upper pasture]

and who says the moose doesn't? you and 3 other people?

[pulsar minnow]

id argue more players use mounts and transmog than pets

[winged dagger]

This is the first month with multiple pets, a reward pet, a new pet, and a return pet.

[tepid fiber]

And it's reasonable to assume that battle pets appeal to a large number of players if they're so prevalent in the cash shop, as deluxe upgrade rewards, have continuing quests and rewards introduced in the current expansion and throughout its patches, and have entire websites dedicated to logging and cataloguing and even discussing the evolving battle pet meta just to name a few other things

[winged dagger]

More players use the same mount over and over and never switch but collect 900+ mounts

[tepid fiber]

Just because you don't play something doesn't mean that the content isn't played. Plenty of people don't touch PvP, but it's asinine to say that PvP isn't a popular gameplay feature

[pulsar minnow]

yet in the cash shop they're valued less than transmog and mounts

so theyre clearly not on the same level here since blizzard themselves acknowledges them as worth less

[winged dagger]

Just for example, this NPC is a pet leveling NPC .
One of 3 NPCs that is up today in NA.
To check health of pet battles, visit him on your server and see how busy he is.
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=98270/robert-craig

[tepid fiber]

Don't even forget about Squirt. Super Squirt Day usually gets a wowhead post when it pops up

[winged dagger]

Sorta a wow head post... Usually gets posted with 1 hour left in the day. 😂

There is a split in the pet community though. Kinda like m+ people and raiding people.

Some only collect, and some only battle.

So the numbers are varied.

[ionic terrace]

they added Garrick outside dungeon entrances

[silent urchin]

Neat, I guess you can start a follower dungeon from her directly?

[ionic terrace]

yep

[rain cave]

I'm not invalidating it

it's just that the big monthly rewards, if I were to guess, are to bring players in month to month with a cool incentive they can market

and if they want to bring in the most amount of players, it won't be battle pets as the monthly

you can still keep the pet in the shop

but battle pets are not 'hype' material for the larger portion of the playerbase

for a larger chunk of the population I'd say they look at this monthly reward the same way they look at a levelling green

[upper pasture]

my guy, by saying it's not good enough to be a monthly reward you are devaluing it therefor saying it's not good enough. just because YOU don't think it's hype doesn't mean someone else can't

[rain cave]

value is in the eye of the beholder

we can deduce the value of something according to how many people find it valuable

not many people value battle pets, for those who do, cool you have a battle pet

but generally people really do not give a fuck about battle pets

they can actually be more of an annoyance to me than anything if I'm questing and get duplicate ones

[upper pasture]

and you saying pet battles aren't valueable is insane considering they get new stuff everytime (usually) any time new content is added to the game

[rain cave]

not much tho ;p

which is my point

[upper pasture]

eyeroll

[rain cave]

they're a niche choice

and that's fine

niche markets are GOOD

we need more niches to be fulfilled

It's good when game devs cater to niches rather than general audience imo, since it pleases a specific market rather than being mid for many

[upper pasture]

yes which is why having it as the monthly reward instead of another mount is great

[rain cave]

but there's no reason why the pet should be the monthly reward instead of idk the stormhammers

or the scarlet mog or anything really

you can still have the pet in the rotation

I'm not saying remove it

[upper pasture]

because we've already had those things as monthly rewards

[rain cave]

and?

[upper pasture]

and?

let some other niches have the spotlight

[rain cave]

that doesn't rule things out, if anything I'd like it if the rewards were more consistent

since the mounts have been mixed, the transmog options have basically always been good

[rain cave]

my point with this is, you don't need to spotlight a niche

they already are there in their niche

e.g. imagine they announce a patch, but focus the marketing on a new pet battler or set of pets instead of the raid

the raid still being there, but every patch marketing thing has "PET BATTLES" at the top in big bold writing

doesn't happen, because raids are the more dominant content.

[upper pasture]

that's a stupid argument because they would NEVER do that. patch add content of all the things not just one specific thing

[rain cave]

likewise, transmog and mounts are higher on the rung than pets

as an aggregate

not as an individual

I'm confident if you asked every WoW player if they wanted a battle pet that looks like a random critter from legion or a pair of electrictly charged dwarven hammers

the hammers would get more votes

[upper pasture]

that's not the point

[rain cave]

well, ig if you throw marketing out

there's other explanations

[upper pasture]

the point is to let the battle pet people enjoy a monthly reward that's "free" for once instead of letting the transmog/mount collectors get it

[rain cave]

they're all free realistically

if anything this makes it less free from a numbers pov

low tier pets usually are cheaper than high tier weapons

and you still have to earn all the points

stormhammers are probs gonna be expensive, haven't checked the numbers on em

but if that pet was for sale it should be cheaper

also if they're not the monthly, you can spend less time getting it by, not getting all the points for that month

so if anything by making the pet the monethly reward they're actually making pet battlers work MORE for it

and giving them less value for other purchases, since they aren't getting a cool unique transmog or mount for getting their points

now they have to grind 1000 points for the pet, and then spend MORE of their points if they wanted anything else this month.

if the pet was extravagant, unique, highly detailed or just epic in some way maybe yeah you could work an argument there.

But realistically that monthly pet has already been in the game for years, just with a different texture on it.

and the marketing shot for it makes it look atrocious since it's so low res compared to the dwarf next to it

I just think it's a misstep, since it's worse marketing and also is shafting players in some way. There's not really a need to defend the billion dolar company here, I'm glad pet people get a pet, more power to them. Just frustrating to have it as the thing representing this month since it's one of the less attractive items to the general playerbase.

pretty sure either of these could have been the monthly and it would be better

like unironically if you want a pet monthly reward for december, they have a unique reindeer model right there

that would be fine imo

[worn crown]

No, I want battle pet. Always. Almost getting the 1600 unique batle pets achievs. There is ALL kinds of activities in the game, and ALL should get the bous reward in the Trading Post.

Personally, I could not CARE LESS for any of the bonus reward so far. Mounts I won't use and Xmog I did no like.

[ember blaze]

I dont care as long as its a universal item. I didnt like the night elf weapons since not everyone can mog them. Worthless monthly reward.

[worn crown]

That is an interesting point.

[austere gazelle]

Imagine they make a warglaive monthly rewards 😏

[pulsar minnow]

I kinda wish they made the monthly reward a choice of class set. There's 4 this month and I'm trying to get three of them

[rain cave]

the monthly rewards should be high quality items of any category

imo they should be the highlight of the month. As they are the thing to get you to sub for that month.

[rain cave]

and you can still have it, just this months doesn't fit as the special monthly and you are in fact being shafted by it

and also I was talking about general playerbase

sure you want the battle pet monthly, but most players, and I'd wager especially the players blizzard wants more of. Would prefer the stormhammers as the monthly.

the month of gametime people got from preordering the highest tier of war within is nearly up, and those people will want hammers to go with their set. If they put the hammers as the monthly reward it's a better incentivize for those players to buy another month of gametime to get them.

But from a player perspective and what is best for us, even if you want a battle pet as the monthly reward there is literally another pet in next month which is a better fit.

Next month has 2 battle pets, and it's the christmas month. And yet the monthly reward is the low res recolor of a model we already have, that isn't christmas themed.

as opposed to the unique higher fidelity model that is.

If you want battle pets to be marketed better, and to get a good battle pet from the monthly, there is a better contender within next months offerings.

But yeah my point overall was that you have to acknowledge as a battle pet player that you are not in the majority, and that's ok. It's fine to be niche you just have to acknowledge that you are not the norm. I do it in a lot of games.

It's fine for them to cater to certain niches of the community with the monthly, but I see that as opportunities to try and market those niches to people who might not have tried them. Like the elune weapons (maybe the make someone try out a class that can use/ dual wield 1h's). So in the case of a battle pet monthly, why would we not desire something cool or unique, why settle for an extremely lazy recolor as the monthly thing blizzard are using to market your area of interest? If anything it's a spit in the face with the reindeer literally also there.

[deep pawn]

I agree the reindeer should've been the monthly

but they want people to spend tenders

[rain cave]

^ and this is the core of my point

the moose pet isn't there to raise up pet collectors, it's there to get you to spend more tenders

[deep pawn]

The weapons, mount, and reindeer are expensive

I'm debating skipping the reindeer but I need the sword

[winged dagger]

So, put the one nobody would pay for as the freebie, and the one people actually would want as the purchase point?

[austere gazelle]

I think they should do monthly reward thematic each month, and repeat that thematic the same month every year ( or do up to three thematic cycle in a year )

Maybe that's what they are doing atm, but we don't have the necessary duration to confirm it yet

[harsh mason]

Imagine if people started NOT jokingly sending ship Fyrakk+Ahendir

It's just not clear to me why the penultimate boss was Tindral, who was basically just chosen to be the Prophet of Flame, yet the prophet himself dies in the story chapter

I mean Ashendir played a much more important role, he even had some authority that even Fyrakk listened to him

One more thing: we didn't see Norana die, did we?

[rain cave]

Yup that's basically what I see the December pets as

Makes business sense ofc

But as players don't we want better better rewards

Especially since WoW is already so expensive compared to other games

[crystal pond]

Did you play that quest in MoP or/and readed the book?

[harsh mason]

Even if it looked like hints, Christy Golden herself (who directly wrote "War Crimes") said that there was no romance or anything like that and they were like brothers (well, they were before Wrathion fucked up literally in every act of his for several expansions). They're probably not even friends right now.

Therefore, at the moment it's just fanfic, nothing more

In general, almost everything about Wrathion is literally a fanfic of people who attribute to it what it does not have and did not have

[fading lintel]

OMG THE new updated shadowlands covenant abilties look SO GOOD

[crystal pond]

Its not about the romance but the dynamic that they had back in mop and alot
ALOT
of people loved it
Anduin/Wrathion are like Thrall/Jaina or Sylvanas/Jaina
All this ships are not cannon, but who cares, they just fun. They are the memes

And majority people jokingly shipping them
Anduin and Wrathion have more bro-like relationship (not atm in the universe, but it mop it was)
And most of the times bros acting very gay from the side

But atm anduin really don't want to talk to wrathion and really don't like him

[cosmic beacon]

besides prim wave and spear of bastion

[rain cave]

I think people just generally get sick of seeing it, since it just feels like trying to project their will into the characters, or just feels too obsessive

Same as like Stan culture

Stanning anything is just bad and generally annoying

[crystal pond]

Yeah
The people who doing this seriously are really annoying and actually harming characters

[jade basalt]

They fixed the Aspects' heights, Ebyssian is as tall as the others now

[harsh mason]

But they're not the same height anyway, are they? I mean, they are distributed by age, except for Kalesgos, he has always been very tall

Alex and Nozdormu are the biggest, the others are smaller

[jade basalt]

They're not the same size no, but the problem was Ebyssian and Merithra were super small

[harsh mason]

Just like before, Neltharion was bigger than other aspects

[harsh mason]

So why should Merithra and Ebyssian get higher????

[jade basalt]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying

They used to be much smaller

Now they fixed their heights

This is how small Ebyssian was in 10.2

On 10.2.5 PTR they have fixed this

[harsh mason]

Well, that's what I meant. He's always been this tall lol, why did he suddenly get taller?

[jade basalt]

He wasn't supposed to be that small

He's older or as old as Kalec, they should be about the same size, but in 10.2 he was half the size of Kalec. Now they've fixed it in 10.2.5.

Also Aspect powers make you bigger, but their size hadn't changed, also fixed now

[harsh mason]

His height has not changed since the legion.

Kalecgos has always been big (this is its peculiarity). Like people, there are higher ones, there are low ones. For example, Neltharion was the biggest of the aspects. Now the sudden growth of Ebyssian can only be explained by the strength of the Aspect, since again: the growth of a dragon is not always related to its age. Meritra was also like this since Vanilla

10000 old dragon

And now he is taller than Nozdormu

[jade basalt]

Kalecgos has always been big (this is its peculiarity)
No

Kalec got a size boost when he became an Aspect https://youtu.be/qEtlvQNFE9Y?si=p-CqGgS0bJtNnppG

The problem here is that they made Ebyssian an Aspect too, but his model didn't get a size boost

So they fixed it now

[harsh mason]

I really hope that this is simply due to the strength of the aspect, and not: "we thoughtlessly listened to the players who do not know what they are talking about"

[jade basalt]

Kalec and Ebyssian are about the same age, and both have become Aspects, so it makes sense they are about the same size. It didn't make sense that Ebyssian was half the size of Kalec.

[crystal pond]

Yall i don't really care about merithra and Ebyssian

Look at Vyranoth
Cute old dragon lady

[pulsar minnow]

Dragon Aspects in general are just giant dragons. It’s a bit weird when you have these four massive dragons and then 2 tiny little ones just sitting next to them

Especially considering what Ebyssian is meant to represent… the strength of the earth, leadership and all that, it’s just silly to have him that small. This change makes sense

[harsh mason]

She seems to be even older than Alex

She's really a boomer

[pulsar minnow]

Is there any mention yet of what Vyranoth even is as an Aspect? Like is she the Primal Aspect or something?

[blazing granite]

One of the eldest remaining on Azeroth, by the novel

[winged dagger]

Well, they are all "Azeroth's aspects" now. So take that however you will.

The titan concept of "aspect of life" etc. doesn't apply necessarily anymore as they got rebranded.

[pulsar minnow]

But they’re still the flights

They have their duties to Azeroth regardless of the titans

Blue - magic

Bronze - time

Etc…

So they are the aspects of something

[winged dagger]

So would that stipulate that vyranoth has a flight?

[pulsar minnow]

Dragonflights are represented by an aspect

So yes she has a flight

And that’s like, my question. Is her flight proto drakes?

Is she the primal aspect

[dense plover]

she represents all the other dragons

like the storm dragons and the netherwings

i think?

[uncut vault]

I assume the epilogue stories will clarify, because atm the game doesn’t bother to answer

[winged dagger]

So she's the dragon aspect of "other/misc" perfect.

[rain cave]

the shrug flight

[harsh mason]

Technically, she embodies all those who are not included in the main flight

In fact, from the moment she became an Incarnation, her status has hardly changed

[silent urchin]

I am a bit surprised we don't have any proto dragons around valdrakken now

[worn crown]

Yeah, good point.

[austere gazelle]

Segregation !

[rain cave]

we riding em

[cosmic beacon]

[uncut vault]

Any clue why the PTR servers keep going offline one by one?

Makes testing stuff a bit hard lol

[dusk flame]

Is season of discovery good?

Is it worth playing

[past delta]

why dont u try it out for yourself?

[ember blaze]

Go discover it for yourself

[deep pawn]

I find it fun

Haven't done the raid yet

[deep pawn]

Ptr quiet eh?

I know it's the holidays but if this is coming out in January you'd think they'd get as many builds as they can in before Christmas

[harsh mason]

They may not publicly test it at all.

considering that major staff such as Azerothian archives are not publicly tested, in fact, they almost added everything they wanted to the PTR

So I wouldn't wait for a lot of ptr builds before Christmas.

[crystal pond]

Its coming out in February
Because valentines items

And anyway its almost empty patches
Nothing really major will happen now

[warm topaz]

there is no way its coming on February

[crystal pond]

Why do you think so?

Maybe on march, but eh

Valentines items speak for them selfs

[warm topaz]

i think is coming out on January

bc the outland cup

[crystal pond]

Ooooh right

[harsh mason]

The PTR build is updated almost every day, it is simply not available to players, which means that they are not going to show much to the players on the PTR.

[crystal pond]

Or there is nothing new to show lol

i can't understand why you all forgetting that DF is officially ended and there will be no major patches until 11.0 (there will be content, but not that big as bronze flight megadungeon or something like that)

So they don't need to test out much

[harsh mason]

DF is not over yet, including from the point of view of the plot, they said it directly.

The epilogue will be in 1 0.2.5, in the next two patches there will be a plot related to the transition to 11.0. They could show the azerothian archives, but they decided not to show it on the ptr

In fact, at 10.2.5 they decided not to test a lot of things: the plot of the epilogue, the plot in gilneas, the content in the "archives"

rather, do not test publicly

during the week, the ptr build was updated 4 times

Even 5 times, it's more often than usual

They had previously said that they would gradually move to ensure that people were shown as little content as possible on the PTR.

Gradually abandoning testing of something large (if internal resources allow them to test on their own)

so soon the PTR may cease to exist altogether

Up to the complete abandonment of public testing of dungeons and raids

[crystal pond]

Meh
After 10.2 dont have high hopes for the plot
No new stuff anyways, and if there are, it will be very broken on release

[harsh mason]

I was just quoting what was said by the developers

Literally

Literally: there will be a continuation of the DF plot (for example, we will find out what Iridikron is doing) and there will be a plot transition to 11.0

[crystal pond]

I will not be surprised if it will be just few dialogues and some weird quests for df epilogue

[warm topaz]

I prefer to be optimistic, i like what they are doing with Amidrassil, and i'm excited about the Gilneas questline

https://twitter.com/TaliesinEvitel/status/1725655213992780288

and this tweet says a lot too

[harsh mason]

I think that to close this topic and for people to just relax and wait for Christmas, then here is a literal quote

There will be more story chapters after that, Hazzikostas said.

“There's a lot of epilogue. There's a lot of wrap up to both conclude various storylines, various story arcs of Dragonflight–what will become of the aspects, what is Iridikron up to–what is the future of many of the protagonists, in particular characters who have been central to the story? But then also to begin to set up the story of War Within, and prologue content there.”

That will add up to three separate content updates, he said.

“So we are planning three separate Dragon flight updates, that we'll roll out in early 2024, that contain narrative elements, contain some fun world events, additional features that you've come to expect,” he said.

It's the end of the year, preparing for the holidays. The classic season of discovery is open, and the retail season is season 3. Absolutely, it makes no sense for developers to worry about whether 0.5% of players will play on ptr lol

No one will prioritize how much content players will see on the PTR

[blazing granite]

Hoping for some back-and-forth between Tyr and Vyranoth in it

[silent urchin]

even if they're not testing content, there's tons of updates to the base game client that are worth just getting out to as many different setups as possible

see the various memory leaks and so on that made it into 10.2 launch]

[deep pawn]

I'm fully expecting this patch like January 14th

9th or 16th

[thin warren]

i still didn't do all the quests from this patch 😛 so it's perfect for me haha

[silent urchin]

10.2.5 ptr servers are.. down I guess? They don't even show in the list

maybe build coming

[subtle oar]

They've been down for days

[silent urchin]

oh they have? huh

[warm topaz]

for a week i think

[harsh mason]

Wtf is this? This is SoD?

https://x.com/algalon_ghost/status/1732893939227595239?s=46&t=JnHiP_kKibjOKbPmUfJMWQ

[silent urchin]

nah SoD is just on the same 1.15 client

Build 48052 puts that version somewhere around the same time as 10.0.5 release

[warm topaz]

new build!

[silent urchin]

ooooh

dragonriding bumped up by 5% speed in non dragonflight is.. confusing

like it's good, but 5% more speed just makes the whole nerf seem even stranger

most of the "Unknown" npcs in amirdrassil seem to be properly named now

she's here too

found a couple treasures, various night elf weapons so far

lots more detail in the environment, more objects added

oh also, map

this anvil is a functioning mailbox. https://i.imgur.com/FqVC9yh.png

bunch of named wisps around too

More portals too, Hyjal, darkshore and val'sharah, in a little building next to the SW portal

found one guy that's still "Unknown", don't recognise them at all

[vernal juniper]

can you just fly there'

or you need quests

[dense plover]

Pretty sure you can just fly there

It’s open world dragon isles

[silent urchin]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=106442/yaris-darkclaw seems it might just be this guy, has the same voice lines at least

[warm topaz]

yeah just like you could fly to teldrassil

[vernal juniper]

https://i.vgy.me/Zq998P.png

unknow are encrypted stuff

[silent urchin]

or just not got a proper NPC entry

[vernal juniper]

https://i.vgy.me/1uq2Np.gif

😂

[silent urchin]

or any other reason for the data to not load

[vernal juniper]

usally they do for hidden stuff

like in emeral dream everything for chapter 5 and 6 were unknow npc

until they unlock the chapter

[silent urchin]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Finel

[vernal juniper]

https://i.vgy.me/2HDHr9.png

old?

[silent urchin]

yeah, that was there last week

Server seems kinda unstable

archives questline seems to immediately be broken

show up at the academy tower, and then there's two tutorial quests that don't work

rep rewards were adjusted, prices seem consistent now

I think a mount has gone away, maybe some new stuff as well

stuffs expensive, though. Weekly is 2k, items up to 15k

[silent urchin]

event is pretty buggy too. Most of the objectives don't seem to work, and there's no weekl;y quest available

unless the weekly is gated behind the bugged tutorial quests

the boss did spawn, but didn't give anything

[ionic terrace]

what is happening

[winged dagger]

Whelp this is important

New pepe

[silent urchin]

apparently a debuff from "Lost Son of Arugal", a silverpine rare. Not really sure why it's stacking everywhere (and even on some NPCs)

[tepid fiber]

Game of the Year.

[silent urchin]

Doesn't trigger anything yet, but seems vyranoth is the "Aspect of Storms"

[silent urchin]

Flynn, Genn, and some worgen I don't recognise chilling at the valdrakken portal

presumably where the quest will start

wait that's mathias not flynn

[winged dagger]

Me still waiting on signs of a new pet battle NPC.

[winged dagger]

come clickable items like t mogs are in the new zone

check out that backpack!

[uncut vault]

PTR is funny lol

[plain violet]

@uncut vault

Doing this on a tauren druid, will try some others alts.

[uncut vault]

It’s the same on all Horde

[plain violet]

Oh I see! So by "our people" he's talking about Horde?

[harsh mason]

So if they rebuild Lordaeron, will the city also be neutral to the alliance?

[vernal juniper]

does ptr works for you?

[plain violet]

PTR often crash for me, for now.

[thin warren]

Only if we help as Alliance to defend it against some big threat!

[harsh mason]

By the way, an interesting point in the quest to get Fyralath: we know that the axe can absorb the essence of creatures (as happened with Snolderon), but at the end of this quest the player needs to defeat the Echo of Fyrakk, which was in the axe (that is, the axe also gradually absorbed the essence of Fyrakk itself). It seems to me that such moments should be shown to all players, and not only in quests that 3 classes can see.

[fading lintel]

Help pls

Ptr is so stupid

Ugh

I am on ym mage and have 4 debuffs "Aura of despair" and cant regen mana

Why and how do i remove it

• ptr is so laggy Blizz needs to fix

[tropic trail]

You get paid for even testing this shit?

If I were you I wouldn’t even blink

[harsh wedge]

Would you happen to be european, or at least not in north america ? All ptr servers are in north america, it is not "laggy", you are just far from the servers

[fading lintel]

no i dont

[fading lintel]

I am eu, but every single ptr before i have been able to play perfectly fine

But now this is some bug

[harsh wedge]

Expecting a test environment to be bug free is kinda special though, when it is made so that those bugs aren't happening in live

[fading lintel]

Kk

It is just weird how i have 4 debuffs and i cant regen mana bc of them

[harsh wedge]

Then, use the in-game report tool to make it known, it will be hundred times better than trying to to do it from here

[fading lintel]

Lol just joined and Debuff is gone

[tulip sun]

Well that's how the ptr works lol

We test it to help make sure it works and tell them what's wrong

[ionic terrace]

it's honestly funny how screwed up it is rn

[harsh mason]

You don't have to play on the ptr, you have to send bug reports.

That's the whole point

[tepid fiber]

It's not a free sample, it's testing

[crystal pond]

Numbers on ptr go brrrrrr right now

[winged dagger]

At the point existing isn't possible. I don't think bug reports about it are needed.
Lol

[ionic terrace]

huh, 10.2.6

[tulip sun]

A new patch already? 🤔

[tulip sun]

So did they change the 10.2.5 ptr to .6 or is it separate?

[ionic terrace]

It was only pushed to dev, not publicly

So still 10.2.5 ptr as of now

[tulip sun]

Interesting

Suggests they're working on 10.2.6 right?

Seems so quick

[silent urchin]

the numbering implies it's likely to be a smaller patch

fitting between a .5 and a .7 rather than .7 and 11.0

But we know nothing except the version/build number

Somewhat interesting that it's on wowdev3, the same one that had had the weird version 96 build

also not connected to any PTR yet, the current 10.2 and 10.2.5 ones are still there

[deep pawn]

10 2 6!

Remeber, 10.2.6 has to be out in like March or so

[tulip sun]

They stated outright we would get 3 patches before the new expansion

So we likely will get .6 and .7

[silent urchin]

yeah I was expecting a .8 or a .9 but I guess the version number is made up and doesn't matter

[deep pawn]

I was thinking 10.2.9 to keep it odd numbers, but yeah, it doesn't matter

[vernal juniper]

they said 3 patches

10.2.5

10.2.6

and a final one 10.2.7 probably

[austere gazelle]

Was expecting a 5/7/9 tbh but that depend on the content they'll put in each. Usually small gap means small changes and addition in version controls

[harsh mason]

It doesn't depend on the content. I remind that they once issued patch 5.3 for a major patch.

[thin warren]

X.Y.Z X is expansion, Y is seasonal patch and Z is minor patch

[harsh mason]

It only became so with Legion. Before that, minor patches were issued for a major

[thin warren]

ah, can't remember

[harsh mason]

4.1, 5.1, 5.3, 6.1

Based on this, then in DF 10.1.5 is 10.2, and 10.2 is 10.3

Although even in the legion patches 7.0 and 7.1, it was still one raid tier

[thin warren]

But back then there were no little patches with content I think

[tulip sun]

I would expect more than the average content, particularly storywise in these three patches

[harsh mason]

It’s were just not called X.Y.Z, but X.Y

[thin warren]

did we have small contentpatches like we do now? can't remember 😄

[harsh mason]

For example, now no one in their right mind would call a patch in which there are just 2 remasters of old dungeons (I'm talking about zulgurub and zulaman)-a major patch

[thin warren]

true

[austere gazelle]

it depend on the content of a patch, it's a set rule on all the version control stuff in programming

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1734636175363567822

[tepid fiber]

Huh, neat.

[warm topaz]

yeah i like those facts

its been a while

february 2011

[harsh mason]

Well, as an example: patch 4.0.6 brought... class hotfixes

[vernal juniper]

maybe they are just forced

to call it 10.2.6 since they announced 3 patches and no 10.3

was too stupid to call it 10.2.5.5

[warm topaz]

10.2.5 10.2.7 10.2.9

[vernal juniper]

I think it is 3 patches after 10.2.5

10.2.6 10.2.7 10.2.9

[warm topaz]

could be yeah

[vernal juniper]

👀 https://i.vgy.me/0EpuAP.png

alpha ?

[warm topaz]

wtf

we are so back

[vernal juniper]

idk what Martin was refering to but

I can read 11.0

[silent urchin]

it's on wowdev though

actually wait is wowdev the ptr or their internal one

[vernal juniper]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2630723-Dragonflight-10-X-Patches-amp-World-Soul-Saga-Speculation-Thread/page3089?p=54341580#post54341580

encrypted wowdev branch

he said

idk what it is

[warm topaz]

is like

their internal testing thing i think

[upper pasture]

wowdev is their internal server yes

[warm topaz]

this expansion is coming out on summer

im calling it

[tulip sun]

That's really early

[ember blaze]

Good

[dense plover]

late summer

august is my guess

depends on alpha and beta tho

[subtle oar]

Internal testing

[subtle oar]

Nope. They already said Fall 2024

[dense plover]

did they?

[subtle oar]

Yes, at BlizzCon

[upper pasture]

yeah one of the trailers ended with "fall 2024"

but as always it can be delayed. there is this little tid bit ensuring we get it before 2025 tho "²Available on or before December 31, 2024."

[craggy fulcrum]

Depends, because 6 months from 10.2 is may. If we are sat with fated for more than 2 months it will feel terrible, especially considering the patch cadence has been big 6 month patch, 2 months small, 2 months small, big 6 months patch.

I imagine an August release based on that

[dense plover]

pretty sure seasons last way more than 2 months

fated seasons can easily last 3-4 months

and we still have 3 patches

[subtle oar]

Nope.

They have already stated a release window of Fall.

Thinking it will release before the time period they have stated they wish to release it, it just complete headcanon

[craggy fulcrum]

Yes, traditional seasons do, but .5 and .7 patches have been the small patches between

[harsh mason]

I just now noticed that Decatriarch Wratheye is mentioned by the gnolls (that she would want to defile the new world tree with rot)

So it all fits together.: She will be the true final boss

[thin warren]

metreological fall starts on 1 september

so i'm going for a september release

[rain cave]

I wonder if they'll add a bunch of decay themed tmogs

oh god

imagine they bring back corruptions as like a fun fated season thing but it's all decay themed

no evidence at all to back that up btw

but just

hilarious

[cosmic beacon]

About time since we got some actually cool plague, decay and death themed mogs

[rain cave]

shadowlands was surprisingly lax on that

SoD didn't even have tier sets

[cosmic beacon]

And the maldraxxus sets didn’t really emphasise any of those aspects

[rain cave]

it wasjust recycled legendary apearance

[cosmic beacon]

The leather one was kinda decay ig but it was ugly asf

[rain cave]

it doesn't even have to be brand new sets

could do some cool restyles of the current sets of the xpac

with some decay particles and colors

[cosmic beacon]

Imagine like a judgement esc set half light half decayed and rotten

Would be cool asf

[deep pawn]

Encrypted alpha builds already, ooo

Gives hope for last week of September odds

May fated, July or August prepatch, launch last week of September keeps their new content every 8 weeks

[worn crown]

Hmn, I like the Necrolord / Necromancer transmog sets (like the one we get in Kortia). And the plate one from the Covenant. Talking more about general look than decay itself here

Regardless, it woud be cool to see a decayed season

[tepid fiber]

At the very least, Decay themed sets

[rain cave]

season of discovery meet season of decay

[vernal juniper]

another build

3 builds 10.2.6

[crystal pond]

gotta go fast

[austere gazelle]

you mean all the instance getting the teeming affix with gnolls spread in all the dungeons having AOE fear?

[rain cave]

oh god

ik it's a joke but they did say no extra mechanic for the raids

but I would like to see them add a bunch of redone sets

like just redoing some of the textures and colors, VFX

make decayed versions

[ionic terrace]

new buiild out

[warm topaz]

release candidate

[tepid fiber]

Release candy date? 👉👈

[silent urchin]

so has much changed other than the release candidate tag?

I assume a bit more clean up in bel'ameth and gilneas

maybe the archives works now?

Ok I can't even log into the char I had in gilneas

valdrakken doesn't work either so I guess it's all down?

[uncut vault]

YEah it is

[silent urchin]

gonna be a hell of a release

[dense plover]

no patch notes?

[deep pawn]

Man imagine if they actually drop this on Jan 2

[dense plover]

no chance

probably jan 16

since they moved the outland cup a week later

[deep pawn]

Jan 9 has been my guess for a while

That'd be 9 weeks

[deep pawn]

Hoping they give at least a week gap between 10.2.5 and phase 2 sod

[vernal juniper]

1 month of release candidate? I think it is never happened before

[deep pawn]

there's no way this comes out next week

after that we're blocked for 2-3 weeks for christmas

[upper pasture]

I don't see why it couldn't release on Jan 2nd

[deep pawn]

Most corporations like Blizzard take 2 whole weeks off for Christmas

[upper pasture]

i mean, most live service companys has a crew that works holidays too

not saying it will happen but it's likely to "can happen" if they want to stick to their 8 week release schedule.

besides 10.2.5 isn't a huge patch to begin with. it's what old world flying and a storyline for the most part

and follower dungeons

which cap at normal. seems like low risk to push it out with a smaller team to manage it if need be

[vernal juniper]

big companies works on Xmas, small companies shut down

[deep pawn]

The dev team at least largely is off

[harsh mason]

I think the patch will be released 2 weeks after Christmas, this is the most optimal time

[tropic trail]

I thought it was already released

I saw some new quests

[thin warren]

no, probably some quests that were timegated

[crystal pond]

If the companies was not working at all at Christmas, then the servers would be broken at holidays due online

They do work but not that active like at normal schedule

But i think the same that they will not release this at 2nd
Too much work when release happens with all those bugs
It can be on the second weeks of jan or in the last week of dec

[sleek solar]

Dont be like SWTOR team, they released a big patch just before the holidays, and then they were all out of office and shit hit the fan lol

Like 8 years ago

[deep pawn]

HotS had a huge tradition of dropping a massive balance patch early December and then not touch it til January

or new heroes post Blizzcon etc

They needed a few weeks of data to decide changes but the team literally wasn't there for two weeks in December.

[austere gazelle]

Yeah more nerf for dh it seems. 2 of the rogue spec and hunter bm are untouched as usual...

Its getting tiresome. Instead of buffing the other classes they are doing random shit without purpose

[deep pawn]

It's not that random. They're nerfing/buffing outliers trying to get them to the mean without changing who's best/worst

[austere gazelle]

well, rogue and hunter doesnt seems to receive many nerf though <_<

[deep pawn]

This is the second rogue nerf in a row and this one waited til Aug hooks were fixed.

[subtle oar]

wdym? BM has be nerfed constantly this tier

Stop trying to make BM worse cause you dont like the spec.

[austere gazelle]

That's not what I said though, if you nerf one class because its overperforming, you should nerf all class that are overperforming, however, my stance would be - leave those classes alone, buff the others

[deep pawn]

They have been though?

hunters got a couple nerfs already

[subtle oar]

Painful nerfs

[warm topaz]

even if you buff the others, there will always be a meta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxNUnyy08Kc&t=183s

dratnos have a very good video talking about it

[harsh mason]

A world if people ignored minmaxing and meta and just played the game

[cosmic beacon]

the world if dk got a rework

[rain cave]

Just realised that if the humanoid nerubians become playable (likely imo) that their druid forms could be other nerubian forms

Scarab bear form like anubarak

[tropic trail]

Their humanoid form is epic

There was picture somewhere

Oh yea here

[thin warren]

4 arms would be a pain for armor 😛

[rain cave]

Not really imo

Horns exist on helmets and some races just don't wear shoes

The arms can just

Dangle from the sides

[tropic trail]

Just equip double gloves and bracers

[crystal pond]

We still don't have tuskars as playable race why you talking about nerubians?

[austere gazelle]

no they'll just make a playable version with two hands and made it a subspecies of the race, IE Dracthyr

[harsh mason]

I think blizzard should stop from added new races. Wow already has more playable races than any DnD game/pathfinder

[crystal pond]

I think they adding "brand new races" (looking at dwarfs and elfs) just because it will sold well
But hey now they part of Microsoft something can change

[warm topaz]

do you guys think we will have a roadmap soon?

[harsh mason]

Microsoft will definitely not tell them which races are added

[harsh mason]

Not this year.

[warm topaz]

WE HAVE CONTENT GUYS

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24038518/this-week-in-wow-18-december-2023

[warm topaz]

tomorrow

[harsh mason]

Well, it doesn't say anything about the roadmap

I mean, it could be anything.

[dense plover]

The hero talent previews seem neat

Sanlayn sounds awesome for my Blood DK

[upper pasture]

so were getting all the hero talent nodes right? we just have the choice ones were we actually have to choose

[warm topaz]

yep

[upper pasture]

that's awesome

[warm topaz]

and Holy Paladin is a support ish spec

[upper pasture]

i like the duality of them cause each tree shares with another spec so you can have the like bblood tank take that tree to be more tanking/self heals but you could also take the frost one and assumingly do more dps

the chronoward one for evoker sounds cool too

[harsh mason]

I hope they will expand this system in the future.

[upper pasture]

i just hope it's well recieved when it's live

[harsh mason]

Considering that these are literally the same talents (we can change them at any time, and points are given every level from 70-80), then I see no reason not to perceive them. Only those who are engaged in minmaxing can have problems🤡

[tropic trail]

the PTR is back up and seemingly working

or at the very least, the world server is no longer down

[ember blaze]

Some people are worried about the power

And the ever going battle of trying to balance healing

[silent urchin]

It's hard to see how the other DK tree could compete with that one for blood

[upper pasture]

who knows but it's exciting to know there's gonna be three trees for each class

[dense plover]

by allowing blood to do more dmg instead of be tankier

their other tree is either gonna focus on dmg or on summons

[silent urchin]

Probably not summons as its the frost themed one

[dense plover]

oh

then yeah probably dmg and spells

[subtle oar]

I cant wait to see Rider of the Apocalypse

[deep pawn]

rider is gonna be mobility and DEATH

Bet one node lets them ride their deathsteed some

[ember blaze]

If it doesnt actually give them a permanent mount in combat, its trash

[cosmic beacon]

I’d rather have burst movement tied to a steed than just perma sat on a horse all fight

But then that’s just paladin stuff

[dense plover]

im betting its gonna be plague stuff

idk its gotta be dmg somehow

[subtle oar]

I hope not

It needs to be based around minions and plagues

[deep pawn]

I mean that's what sanlayn is doing

[cosmic beacon]

Not really

A single talent effecting vp/blood plague and a talent that procs blood beasts isn’t really based around those 2 themes

The entire tree is mostly based around spenders/cds proccing vampiric strikes and said strikes buffing you and your abilities

A far cry from a tree based around diseases and pets

Not to mention the current iteration atleast with df talents will make unholy pretty unfun imo

[upper pasture]

it's gonna be a theme that could fit either frost or unholy. but i think a plague/pet buffed talent would work

still mad we didn't get a shadowhunter hero tree 😦

[deep pawn]

They already said they're gonna rework unholy some

[uncut vault]

I feel like this is why Deathbringer needs to be renamed to something different

Cause like, how do you name a spec after Saurfang, the fight entirely about blood beast summons

And then give that to san’layn lol

[upper pasture]

i feel like deathbringer in this sense isn't about "deathbringer" saurfang but just an overall it's a core concept of the class

i'd see deathbringer being about more summons or faster summons hence the name deathbringer but who knows

[ember blaze]

and how does that make sense for the other 2 specs?

i know all 3 have a shit single minion they can summon, but outside of unholy, none of them really do anything around summons?

[upper pasture]

well i mean deathbringer is gonna be frost/unholy, so idk what you mean

also wdym unholy summons a few things

more than any other spec

[ember blaze]

yeah, what does frost summon for minions

[upper pasture]

they have breath that's sorta like a summon

[ember blaze]

[upper pasture]

the point of the hero specs is to either dive deeper into the existing spec or daul spec of sorts

so having a frost DK that is more summons heavy is uh....sorta a DK thing. i mean the lich king was pretty much that

[deep pawn]

Hero trees can buff buttons or replace them entirely

Thane Fury will use tclap over whirlwind

[rain cave]

They're more likely for war within

[crystal pond]

We already having new dwarfs, don't think we will get nerubians as playable

[rain cave]

Then why make the nerubians suspiciously playable race shaped

Like

There's a void for them perfectly in the story

To become a playable

Nerubians are historically not humanoid

[crystal pond]

Better model ≠ playable race

[rain cave]

So blizz making them be able to share armour with us, and be humanoid

To me it just screams playable race

Also they're just cool as fuck and I'd not see them putting that effort in if not for playable

Like nightborne

[crystal pond]

Again
Better models doesn't not mean they are playable

There is a lot of bosses with cool af models and old af npc that still using goofy models

We have tuskars, we have ogrs that not playable even when their skeleton got updated with new animation

If nerubians humanoid will got a lot of customization all of a sudden THEN it will mean they can become playable
Right now it just cool models

[deep pawn]

We never got Kyrian or Fae either

I would have so played a Kyrian

[rain cave]

They didn't fit traditional armor

Neither did night borne until they revamped them to be playable

It appears the nerubians can wear armour modularly

But yeah also kyrians wouldn't make sense if the other factions didn't also become playable

Power imbalance there

Too me company logic would dictate they can't show one covenant over another

But yeah the nerubians also will have a story precedent to potentially join us. Unlike the kyrians

[subtle oar]

Uh no. Kyrians had more reason to and even then it would make no sense for them yo join us. It's ridiculous to think nerubians would be playable

[rain cave]

Kyrians have a Job in the shadow lands, why would they come with us

Nerubians have a rebel faction who they've hinted we will be working with

Like the nightborne

And to clarify I mean the humanoid nerubians

As they are very much serving playable energy

[tepid fiber]

Reminder that the Klaxxi were a rebel faction of the Mantid that we worked with too, but in the end their allegiance was always to the Old Gods

[uncut vault]

Nerubians aren't really the same, they explicitly do not serve the old gods anymore

you even fight their servants in WC3 as Anub'arak and Arthas

the Klaxxi were a very clear "we'd still serve them, if given the chance" deal, the base story just wasn't about those allegiances

[tepid fiber]

That's fair

I guess I'm not inclined to trust any of the insects we've worked with in Warcraft. Always ended up shady

Which is an aspect that I like--that they just don't think like the other mortal races

[austere gazelle]

Wonder what the fel scarred spec of the dh will bring... same stuff but with more fel in it ?

[rain cave]

^ the faction with xalatath are the ones being persuaded to be voidy

Or old goddy

The rebels are the ones who don't want that, and rejected them originally

I could see it playing out like: defeat the empress, rebels take over. They don't know what to do with the evolved nerubians, then alleria steps in to vouch for them, they are offered places in the factions

[austere gazelle]

as usual :p that would be ok though

[subtle oar]

I just said that.

Playable Nerubians is as likely as Blizz bringing back old fratboy culture

[rain cave]

I disagree heavily

Like

To me they're giving extreme "we want to give this race to you as a surprise" energy

Otherwise why make humanoid nerubians who can wear player armour

Who have a potential plot hook to come into our side

Like if their armor was baked in, and they were more alien, and firmly our enemies sure

But from the trailers they're already closer to being in a playable state than tuskarr on live lmao

[subtle oar]

They can't, they won't

[rain cave]

They can and they could lmao

Idk what the aversion is here

They're a cool looking race people want, and I'd say they're definitely in the running to be a race given what blizzard have said

And the design and techs they're using for them

[worn crown]

It is SL and "covenants races will be playable" all over again 🙄

A dev (I do no remember who) said in a interview pre-DF (or pre-SL, memory is fuzzy in this one) that some NPC races get the "player" treatment on armor because it is easier for the devs to make varied appearances for them

Seems reasonable

[rain cave]

Ye I get that

But this isn't covenant lmao

Each covenant didn't have a single race

They would be weird for lore as well

And they aren't going to add 4 races like that with long term storytelling ramifications

Especially since it looks like SL is a bit of a closed box

Nerubians work as a cool mid or late xpac allied race to me

Neutral as well probably

Or horde

[crystal pond]

you imagine something that will never happen, and then you'll be offended if it doesn't happen, even when everyone tells you that the developers made them humanoids simply because it's easier to work with humanoids models

Don't look at models, look at models customization
If there is a lot of them - sus for allied race
If there is none - don't get high hopes out of the air

[subtle oar]

Nope lol

[tulip sun]

Why not?

[crystal pond]

And i don't talk about gear, it doesn't matter, alot non-playable races have really cool gear, and still they are not playable
I am talking about face, skin, hair, etc. - this what you must look too, because all playable races have this
Non-playable races don't have this (not that amount of)

[ionic terrace]

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/5VON1L3LM22F1702949709254.png

[crystal pond]

POGS

AUGUST??????

So like
February-march for beta?

[upper pasture]

alpha but yeah

[crystal pond]

Well the DF alpha was not public

Or wait

I forgot

[upper pasture]

march/april for beta based on that image

maybe even may

[crystal pond]

What does skull mean lol?

What happens in 10.2.6?

[upper pasture]

prolly something pirate related

but ya know " no pirates" or whatever

[crystal pond]

They ahhhh a little bit half year late with this lol

So 10.2.5 is in January, and 10.2.6 something after that
And 10.2.7 somewhere in spring

[subtle oar]

They really making panda players last for heritage..

Ffs

[dense plover]

That roadmap is very informative

Curious what time running is

Maybe solo or small group content?

[thin warren]

The 2 month cycle can continue

[dense plover]

Seems like they’re doing a very good job pacing future content

[ionic terrace]

well yes, that only makes sense, they are the last non allied races

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[subtle oar]

Yeah no

[ionic terrace]

🆗

[thin warren]

Don't be sad, Baifeng

[subtle oar]

I will. It's bs, and ofc panda haters post cope like that to insult ppl

[thin warren]

[silent urchin]

no pirates

[ionic terrace]

i don't hate pandas

but ok

[silent urchin]

I guess 10.2.6 is teechnically not TWW

[thin warren]

Early january .5, early march .6, early may .7, july-august prepatch

[upper pasture]

COULD YOU IMAGINE IF. timerunning was like a M+ style dungeon that every X amount of time and not in combat we'd get shifted into a different dungeon. so say like 5 mins we'd go from AD to like everbloom or something

of course that would be insane and totally not what it's gonna be

but that would be cool af to have dungeons just "randomly" (not actually random but would be at first i guess) change.

[dense plover]

That’s way too hard to run

[upper pasture]

oh yeah

i know

[dense plover]

Time running is more likely to be content that appeals to the majority since it is the last content set before pre patch

[upper pasture]

i'm excited for troll armor tho

[pulsar minnow]

I mean its seemed like so far they tend to choose each faction's opposing race. Humans vs Orcs, Nelves vs Undead, Tauren vs Gnomes

Pandaren don't really have one, until DF I guess

The only two neutral races would probably be next for heritage. (Dracthyr and Pandaren)

[rain cave]

Nightborne didn't have much customisations before becoming playable

I'm not saying things baselessly

And it's not just to make the nerubuians easier to work with. The trailers show they're still using all the old skeletons as well

[crystal pond]

Ahhh they actually had a lot of customization and then dataminers found new customization files and that was a big spoiler for playable race

That how it was
For nerubians right now there is almost none info

[rain cave]

You're not providing much counter argument

[rain cave]

Well we will see when we get alpha/ beta

[crystal pond]

Dont get high hopes still lol

[rain cave]

But yeah I'm not just proclaiming it

I'm just saying

The odds of playable nerubians are higher than tuskarr

And they're already a favourite since their reveal

[crystal pond]

Tuskars are more popular and loved then nerubians

Bugs are cool but meh

Not many into them

[rain cave]

Ehh maybe

Tuskarr as playable would be mixed

Just like pandas and vulpera

They're a goofy race

There's a community for them no doubt

But people also like cool stuff

[crystal pond]

Also pandarends lol

[rain cave]

And the nerubians are

Cool

They're like drop dead insanely cool

[crystal pond]

They bugs

All intelligent insects was cool but they just bugs

I don't like nerubians
Even since w3
But those mantis people was amazing

[upper pasture]

nerbuians aren't bugs they are spiders

[rain cave]

The evolved nerubians are very cool

[crystal pond]

Oh right

Gonna call them arthropods then

[upper pasture]

they are arachnids

they are their own kingdom. it's a huge thing

[crystal pond]

They are arthropods hello???

Check google

[upper pasture]

sigh

[pulsar minnow]

Arachnids are a class, anthropoda is the phylum.

But this is straying into “☝️🤓” territory

The nerubians do look sick tho, would love em to be playable though if they’re not designed to support player gear at launch I have my doubts

[thin warren]

the question is, does Blizz see 1 july as start of summer or 21th july

[crystal pond]

I would like any non-human like races in general
I just looking at dwarfs and elfs, then looking at vulpera and thinking that maybe vulpera wasn't that bad

Humanoids are okay

I just dont have high hopes so i will not be disappointed when expansion launches

DF beta datamine hitted hard

[subtle oar]

You are, and getting upset that others don't agree

[deep pawn]

What the hell is that ominous flag for 10.2.6

Timerunning could also be anything

If they're bringing back the challenge mode sets I need to get shaman and paladin

So I was right with my January, March, May for my DF patches and even July for prepatch

Early September is on the menu for release now though

[harsh mason]

The developers left tweets with this flag too, so apparently they don't want to spoiler anything.

[upper pasture]

Clearly they are playing off the “no pirates” thing and they have created a new event or updated something to do with pirates

[harsh mason]

Maybe there will be something like the secrets of Azeroth

[deep pawn]

10.2.6 is also their season 4 base patch

[warm topaz]

the 10.2.6 is something about pirates

[warm topaz]

yep

[rain cave]

That's what you're doing 💀

I'm saying I think it will happen and giving my supporting factors

You've literally been using definite language and not discussing

Just dropping in and aggressively going "No never" xD

[tepid fiber]

Baifeng, just because his opinion is flawed doesn't mean you need to act cringe as hell in return, please

[dense plover]

late night ptr build

microscopic tho

[deep pawn]

they go on vacation thursday probably

[dense plover]

the illidari are at amirdrassil - way out on the edge

i wonder if in 11.X theyre gonna allow night elves to start at belameth since DF will be the defacto leveling expac

DKs too - same place

this is also where delaryn is

[deep pawn]

you'll also find fire elves and dark rangers too

[dense plover]

delaryn is a dark ranger

[deep pawn]

I wager fire elves as a customization could be soon

[dense plover]

and the fire elves are in a bunch of places

[deep pawn]

yeah, didn't see the Delaryn pic at first

but it's specifically "the outcasts" area

[dense plover]

amazing - all druids can use the emerald dream portal

[tepid fiber]

Nice!

[deep pawn]

Weren't most of these npc's added last built?

[dense plover]

it was unstable as shit

so hard to test

[rain cave]

I mean it's no more flawed than the alternative lmao, the things I'm listing are points in favour

I also acknowledge that there are some counterpoints

Would just be nice to hear them

But yeah @subtle oar imagine if I came in and was just saying they'll never do more pandaren stuff

No further discussion or w/e

Just kept refuting it

Just so you get an idea :)

[cosmic beacon]

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/status/1737557356655894685

[vernal juniper]

https://i.vgy.me/Qjfssy.png

👀

[dense plover]

Alpha

Won’t be closed but public until next year sometime

Hoping I get in without having to scour for contacts again

They put me back on the list I think but idk anymore

[vernal juniper]

so rip 1 ptr

is vendor 2 related to public build? I mean, are they remove 10.2 ptr and add alpha on launcher soon?

[tulip sun]

Confused by this. We will get info from it right?

Are you saying it's private, no info to public?

[dense plover]

Probably just gonna load up a new 3rd ptr tbh

[dense plover]

Hard to say

Might be encrypted

Or need a key

But the roadmap implied in the new year

Blizz is close to wrapping up for the year

So this might be an easy take home build for blizz people to play at home over break

I think tomorrow is their last day in the office?

I don’t remember

[silent urchin]

new ptr build? Or is it just like, release hotfixes

[ember blaze]

all these holiday updates, but winter veil still barren

[winged dagger]

Takes hours to get a few alliance toons through it.

[tepid fiber]

Barren how

[ember blaze]

What is there besides metzen

Am i missing something

[upper pasture]

i mean, there's presents and a new one every year. there's some dailies to do. there's the sleigh to ride. there's the hats and stuff added to dungeon/raid bosses

[tepid fiber]

People forget about Racksum Greep's lost shipment of goodies

Then you've got all of the achievements for the Merrymaker title

Then there's the big present under the tree on the 25th, that's always fun

Riding the sleigh with friends

It's just a goofy lil holiday event

Getting the achievements for Merrymaker are good. Just having a roster of alts that work for the Let it Snow achievement can be very profitable if you're savvy

[tepid fiber]

A new one every year and one only available for that year

[gloomy tangle]

There’s the 4 dailies in your rank 3 garrison for the tiny chance at the Grumpus mount

[worn crown]

It still could be updated... Like other holidays got updated, because, in the end, all of them are "goofy lil holidays"

IMO this one is just no fun anymore

[tepid fiber]

Fun is subjective. I still enjoy it greatly, as well as just being more seasonal ingame playing together

[deep pawn]

It had more stuff to do that most holidays already and it has new stuff yearly

They did put the sword on the trading post though

[tepid fiber]

That saddle though

God, I'll never use it, still want it

[dense plover]

i got that but havent seen the pepe toy 😦

[tepid fiber]

I'm still semi bitter because @tropic trail got it on her first Stolen Gift

IT'S TOO CUTE

[harsh mason]

It is possible that we will see Iridikron in 10.2.5

[upper pasture]

Seeing as they used him in the artwork I’d hope so lol at least expect to see a little bit of him before 11.0

[silent urchin]

I'm expecting him to feature fairly heavily in 10.2.7 based off the name

[rose escarp]

Would seem really odd to not have him be seen again after Dawn of the Infinites, given that the gap to The War Within is still quite vague. Seems like the perfect kind of story content, honestly.

[upper pasture]

i mean i'm sure the "Harbringer quests"will explain more

i'm sure he and knifu will get a bunch of action there.

[silent urchin]

I suspect we will learn about the one bit that was plot relevant in the scaleborn book as well, likely via that untranslated black dragon tome which is probably neltharion's diary

[tropic trail]

Nice it’s like mid January?

[upper pasture]

10.2.5 is jan 16th

[deep pawn]

A week later than I'd like but I'll live.

[austere gazelle]

And ' the dark heart, left broken, awaiting the taking " too

[deep pawn]

I wonder what data changes they did that required a char wipe

[dense plover]

they just do it every once in a while

its more about people using test characters that are old or have quest completion for things that have been changed significantly

[silent urchin]

there were a lot of bugs early in this PTR cycle too that could have done weird things

I certainly ended up copying a few new characters

[deep pawn]

nooo

WoW and FF14 has patches on the same day

[dense plover]

pretty small patch on the 14 side tbf

[deep pawn]

it's still the last bit of story before the expansion and introduces a new character. It's about as deep as 10.2.5 story wise

I'm just worried about them releasing the expansions really close together and making me choose

[tulip sun]

Yeah but they can't really make that dictate their schedule

[pulsar minnow]

You’ll get around to playing both eventually 🤷‍♂️

Games not goin anywhere

Unless TWW is SL 2.0

[deep pawn]

The This Week is late eh?

[silent urchin]

Yeah, normally out about an hour and a half ago

last weeks was delayed to tuesday, but the mon was new years day

dunno why that would carry over to this week

[vernal juniper]

https://i.vgy.me/CScbgq.png

why this npc is white on live server

I've noticed it is an archivist

have they "hidded" him for the coming rep/patch

[silent urchin]

its missing part of the model definitions, no texture and it shows all the various optional parts for the race at once

he showed up for the fyrakk axe questline but I guess never got decrypted properly or something

[warm topaz]

why we did not have This Week in WoW yesterday?

[deep pawn]

holiday

office was likely closed

patch is available for download

[silent urchin]

apparently a bunch more stuff decrypted on PTR

Including all the azerothian archives stuff that wasn't available before now

gilneas storyline still encrypted tho

[warm topaz]

oh i see

10.2.6 soon you think guys?

[deep pawn]

8 weeks or so

[warm topaz]

like the announcement

[deep pawn]

oh, it'll for sure be on ptr next week or something

[warm topaz]

yeah i think the same

you think it will be like SoD?

not public testing

[deep pawn]

That I don't know

they're being very cryptic about the pirates

[warm topaz]

yeah, pretty excited

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1747289411790790687

[upper pasture]

so he WASN'T forgotten about then

[harsh mason]

I still don't understand why he keeps appearing in the mgr after warcraft 3 at all. He literally did nothing in every expansion.

I swear, he's useless. It would seem that after the cutscene where Xera shows him and Illidan as babies, he should have played an important role, but no. He just gets trapped by Xavius and... that's it lol

He look more like Tyrande's personal mannequin for her clothes

[silent urchin]

He was pretty important in the emerald nightmare

[upper pasture]

maybe going forward he will teach some new races how to be druids

[rain cave]

malfurion crossdressing arc?

[mossy meteor]

ooop

ooh its a cinematic

dude brings down a mountain

"you will not see me again until the titans face their reconing"

[tropic trail]

Lol what is that?

[silent urchin]

huh

[mossy meteor]

yeah this is on live

[silent urchin]

it's been 5 minutes and it's not on the wowhead youtube channel yet smh :(

[mossy meteor]

daddy's home

[silent urchin]

Do you get to read that untranslated obsidian tome yet?

[crystal pond]

"Champion of the dragonflights"

[blazing granite]

okai

[pulsar minnow]

Reasoning behind the Aspect of Storms

[mossy meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpvvfD0Iz8U

[little hound]

Fun fact, he came to talk with her In a biome she has an upper hand. She'd clap his cheeks at this scene.

[pulsar minnow]

New mystery in Valdrakken. I dont think this was here before

right behind Ebyssian

[little hound]

Not even taking into account of Vyranoth having Aspectral Powers now.

[little hound]

Does it give you anything?

[pulsar minnow]

An untranslated book

its the start of some kind of mystery but idk anything else

It says "you know of no such individual who can translate the texts now, but perhaps you will meet someone on your travels in the future who can"

maybe azerothian archives related? i got no clue

[silent urchin]

Wrathion gifts it to you at the end of 10.1 story, but no way to translate it yet. It was always there to pick back up since, although wrathion rested against the wall right above it so it was hard to see and click. I've been assuming it's a neltharion diary that'll reveal a few things from the scaleborn book

[upper pasture]

It’s been there since 10.1 atleast I saw it on an alt

[little hound]

I'm not tearing up..NOT..Tearing up..

[pulsar minnow]

ah gotcha

[pulsar minnow]

I thought there was some stay a while and listen stuff for Wrathion but he's not at the Seat of the Aspects anymore

[little hound]

So.. Tyrande and Malfurion giving leadership to Shandris while they spend quality time In Bel'ameth.

[warm topaz]

there is one

a real good one

[pulsar minnow]

Oh must’ve missed him then