beta-ptr-spoilers

[deep pawn]

It was used a lot when first introduced

Also, I'll say ai dungeons are taking much more work than Delves cause it's 4 NPCs vs 1, it has to be able to lead through each dungeon, etc

[rain cave]

we don't know if delves will only have 1 AI

we just know OF one of the AI, that being brann

but it would not surprise me if they also introduced other AI alongside you if you wanted

[deep pawn]

it's 1 per season they said

[rain cave]

yeah ik

but that's the seasonal AI

not if they have AI partmembers helping you

[thin warren]

maybe some peeps from the Expedition team

that stay with you and only the seasonal one can be upgraded

[harsh mason]

Oh my gods, she has a new animation in 10.2.5( and it's adorable).

[crystal pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=214110/totally-normal-child-dragonriding-research

When devs being bored while making placeholders

[crystal pond]

The spell 6 is best

Dragon t-posing

[warm topaz]

Tindral is looking good on the RWF!

[harsh mason]

Well, this is a pre-last

I remember how in the Tomb of Sargeras all bosses before Avatars were killed very quickly, and then there was an Avatar for 400+ attempts lol.

[warm topaz]

is hard af

[harsh mason]

In fact, he looks very insane, since phases 1 and 2 are something like a training before phase 3, which is the main one.

[warm topaz]

150-200 pulls

i think

[harsh mason]

Holondrus 2.0💀

[warm topaz]

For tornadoes, assuming tornadoes spawn 45 degrees apart from each other on a circle and travel in a straight line, and they shift by 22.5 degrees each spawn, safe spots will always be at the vertex of a triangle where the base of the triangle is the line between the two pools. There's three good safe spots perpendicular to the two pool spawns, one at the vertex of an equilateral triangle, and the other two at the vertex of isoceles triangle with largest internal angle of 78.75 degrees.

i love this copypaste KEKW

[harsh mason]

Well, now geometry is really useful lol

[warm topaz]

dude, watching Max is so freaking fun

https://www.twitch.tv/maximum

[harsh mason]

I think there will be more than 150 pulls

[deep pawn]

I wonder if this boss is a bit too overtuned

[warm topaz]

i don't think so

[harsh mason]

It is ok. The other bosses clearly should have been a little better tuned. Smolderon, like gear check, is good. But Larodar and Numue definitely had to be more hard

[rain cave]

https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743

any models?

[little hound]

they were datamined a few weeks ago

[rain cave]

also i stg

I assume it'll be a future trading post

oh it has a tendies cost so yeah

loving this tint tbh

[dense plover]

this is probably part of the azerothian archives

anything with past/dead npcs is likely tied to that

[little hound]

yh

IT'll be fun to see what Year 2 Trading Post reward will be.

[deep pawn]

if they do it ever again

as an achievement it's technically evergreen

they've never added new holiday meta rewards

[subtle oar]

They likely will

[deep pawn]

I'm not sure if I like the idea of a 24 month achieve

[upper pasture]

i mean if you've been playing for a year already it would just be 12 months

[deep pawn]

I'm thinking future versions unless they award both things

FF14 used to have rewards that required staying subbed for years, they realized it sucked, now you get them all in like 5 months and they stopped adding new things to it

[dense plover]

if they do another big gap one like the sentinel armor, it probably will align with expac launch

[subtle oar]

It doesnt suck, its an inentive to stay subbed.

The 12 month TP achieve doesnt even need consecutive months, its cumulitive. Its actrually quite a player friendly approach

[deep pawn]

and I'm saying making a 24 month one will feel bad

[subtle oar]

It wouldnt

Does the 500 mount achievement feel bad when you only have 100?

No

Its something to work towards that doesnt degrade your gameplay nor is it predatory or FOMO

[deep pawn]

no other achievement would take 2 years at that point

[subtle oar]

🙄

[deep pawn]

you don't see how a "complete this task every month for 2/3/4+ years" would eventually become new player unfriendly?

[dense plover]

not everything is for new players

[deep pawn]

there's a definite break point where you have a carrot that when you say, "You can only get this if you play for years and don't miss a month!" just means people don't even try.

I think the warden set alone is enough and let them focus on making the monthly reward sgood

[subtle oar]

Except this isnt even remotely true

[tulip sun]

What's wrong with adding additional rewards?

[subtle oar]

You could skip a full year and still be able to get it because ITS NOT CONSECUTIVE

[deep pawn]

it's not about when you can get it it's about how long it'll take. Or are we talking past each other

[tulip sun]

Oooh. A reward you get for playing for a while?

[deep pawn]

I'm saying there should be no achievement in the game that requires you to do something for 24 months.

[tulip sun]

BLASPHEMY!

How dare they reward players

[subtle oar]

You're just talking non-sense and being a complete doomer

[deep pawn]

Fine, then make them simultaenous for all new players.

[tulip sun]

You accomplish an ingamr activity every month for so long

How is that bad

[deep pawn]

Because eventually you can never catch up and that is not a good thing ever.

Definitely doesn't "respect players time" if they decide to take a year off or something

[tulip sun]

Life isn't fair

Exclusive things happen that you miss

At least these you can get eventually

[deep pawn]

And I'm saying it would go against everything they're trying to do these days

If they introduce another 12 month reward, I'd expect to to be earnable at the same time as the current one or they won't add one at all

[tulip sun]

So you want double the reward for the same amount of time?

That's ludicrous

[deep pawn]

any 12 month period you'd get all versions of the 1 year reward, yeah.

Or I guess you just retire the warden set, put it up for tendies or money and add a new one

[subtle oar]

Yes it does, because, again, ITS NOT CONSECUTIVE

Stop thinking about yourself for once

[deep pawn]

I don't care about that, I'm talking about cumulative time spent, that's what I've always had as my position in this argument

No achievement in this game should take more than 12 months of cumulative effort

[ember blaze]

[deep pawn]

I'm not thinking about myself here, but from the perspective of some new player coming into say, 12.0 cause they add something like Naga, see some cool naga themed set but "Wait I have to do this task for 3 years before I can even get it?"

[ember blaze]

yes that does suck

[deep pawn]

they're free to keep adding new rewards but find a way so it's not permanently out of reach to new players.

Especially if they are going to heavily market TWW to "come back home" to old players

[warm topaz]

it i so crazy

144 pulls just 67%

[deep pawn]

Yeah, they're making progress but unless fight ends much before 0 there's no way they're lasting that long in phase 3

We'll see if Echo does any better in the next 8 hours

[subtle oar]

"I'm not thinking about myself here, but from the perspective of some new player" Yeah no, you're not

[rain cave]

Kyle when he can't get the "thanks for playing for 5 years" achievment in an afternoon

https://tenor.com/view/keyboard-computer-player-angry-tense1983tablebreak-gif-18396590

[thin warren]

those achievements are often feats of strenght, since giving points for playing so much is a bit hard

[pulsar minnow]

Tbh. I sort of agree with Kyle here. IMO every year the new subscribed reward should be rolled into the one-year reward.

So I play for 2 years. I get the sentinel and idk, the Murloc armor set or something.

New player jumps in. Both sets are already in the game. They play for one year- they get both. It just makes a greater incentive for a new player to play for a year

[rain cave]

I mean I am generally against specifically subscription/time based stuff in general

because it kind of implies

"hey pay this much for this"

but if it's small stuff I don't mind

I think it fits into anniversary celebrations tho

like if you want to celebrate X years of playing WoW, that's what the birthdays/anniversarys are about

[warm topaz]

this guy is spanish

a legend here

[deep pawn]

Those achievements right now are just the anniversary fos and they don't have anything attached to them as an achievement.

[rain cave]

ye ye ik was just memeing

[subtle oar]

Nah, that would be insanely silly

They would HAVE to do the same thing for the 500 mounts achievement by the same logic

[deep pawn]

Those mounts technically do become easier and easier to earn over time.

And there's nothing stopping you from grinding it out pretty fast

[pulsar minnow]

No, not really. Mount collection achievements aren’t directly tied to sub time

[deep pawn]

Outside I guess of previous event mounts that are gone now like my airship mount and Deathwing mount and onyxia mount.

[subtle oar]

Its still an extremely high bar that looks insermountable to the "new player". By this logic, all really high achievement MUST be brought low so the "New Player" can get it.

[pulsar minnow]

No because one is tied directly to money and waiting years of time. The other is tied to your willingness to grind.

[subtle oar]

Its just really realy bad logic, predicated on a bad faith argument, when the current TP Achievement model is incredibly player friendly as is. Not consecutive nor is it predatory or FOMO

[pulsar minnow]

Let’s say, 10 years down the line, a new player jump into the game and get the 10 year reward. Is it seriously reasonable to expect them to play the game for 10 years to get it? Not really.

[subtle oar]

Yes

[pulsar minnow]

There’s no reason to be elitist about it

But hey you do you

[subtle oar]

Elitist. Lmao

[pulsar minnow]

Like, I understand not bringing back AotC mounts. They’re inherently tied to a challenge that cannot last forever. Same as artifact weapons

[subtle oar]

So yes, this entire argument is bad faith, as you have proven. I'm going back to my coofee. Have a good day

[pulsar minnow]

But like, this is just subbing for a specified amount of time. Would rather the game stick with their new philosophies of “letting go of old stubbornness.” But I guess some don’t seem to want to

Not really what bad faith means but go off

[warm topaz]

dude Tindral is going to 300

[deep pawn]

I don't think it's bad faith, we just have different ideas of which reward philosophy is fair

[harsh mason]

I hope Fyrakk will be the same or harder

[warm topaz]

kil'jeaden angle

fucking 644 pulls to die

[harsh mason]

I still think that Raszageth’s nerfs were a mistake. There was a boss for 300+ pulls

[upper pasture]

i could totally see them moving that achievement to an FoS then making it a trading post item to buy at a high cost then adding a new achievement for year 2 but that devalues it for the people that logged in and did trading post for the whole year

[harsh mason]

Uunat ☠️

~750

[upper pasture]

if T Swift is this hard how bad is fyrakk gonna be >.<

[harsh mason]

This has happened many times before

[warm topaz]

how hard is design this bosses man

like

[upper pasture]

yeah but it wasn't the same dev that did halondrus that did the last boss

[harsh mason]

Blackfuse in Pandaria was much more difficult than Garrosh

[upper pasture]

the man behind Halondrus did the mythic Fyrakk fight too so i have high hopes for it

[harsh mason]

Damn, I think a lot of people have forgotten how much blackfuse was a crazy fight

[warm topaz]

i think they nerfed the boss

don't know how much

i think is P3?

[upper pasture]

p3 nerf

[warm topaz]

they haven't seen p3 yet

so

fine

20% health nerf?

[deep pawn]

Yeah someone in another channel said 20% nerf, hp sounds right if their goal is to preserve how challenging phase 1 and 2 are.

[harsh mason]

I don't understand why???

[deep pawn]

Phase 3 will still be nuts

[warm topaz]

tbh*

[harsh mason]

The guilds themselves asked not to nerf

[deep pawn]

This boss has timed phases. Without an hp nerf guilds would have to do double their current damage cause you need to be in execute range for phase 3

Hell could even be a enrage timer that there's no chance they hit their current pace.

Imagine hitting enrage at 40% hp

[upper pasture]

yeah, this man has alot of health since i'm assuming P3 ends when you run out of room and they are getting to I2 with 66% health left

youll be getting the pillars/ground stuff half as much but still 66% of the fight is over and he still has 66% of his health.

[deep pawn]

Basically their goal isn't to shorten the fight but make it just doable.

[harsh mason]

I mean, we haven't even had the first reset yet, of course, in the first week he shouldn't be killed in a heroic ilvl

[deep pawn]

You still have to live 6 minutes through that hell

Oh he absolutely should be by these guilds

[upper pasture]

lol brother thanksgiving is in 4 days

[deep pawn]

I think their goal is for this to end either Monday or Wednesday.

[warm topaz]

what is thanksgiving like we don't have that in EU

i think

not in spain at least

or maybe we do but i don't know it lmao

[harsh mason]

Well, nerf is actually unlikely to have a very big impact lol. At least his shield was enlarged

[deep pawn]

-20% total health for Tindral

Shield % buffed to adjust the health loss on Tindral on a new platform

Appearently more time to soak seeds in p3

Oh it has a massive effect. Means boss is actually killable

[upper pasture]

it's basically a family holiday. families get together to eat food and be thankful for stuff. general stuff. of course tied in a bunch of BS that the explorers did to the natives in America

[harsh mason]

But by Monday he is unlikely to be killed

[deep pawn]

They'll be entering phase 3 at like 48% now vs 60+

[warm topaz]

oh i see

[deep pawn]

They could still do a bigger hp nerf if they are hitting the soft enrage

[harsh mason]

I just can't understand, he seems to have a shield in myth in phase 3

If so, then yes, the nerf was needed

[deep pawn]

I think you can collect new orbs in phase 3, at least the phase starts with feathers on the ground

So on phase 3 maybe he starts casting apocalypse again and some have to go gather orbs to do it.

[upper pasture]

he gets a shield every time he goes to new platforms

[deep pawn]

They've gotten past platform 3's shield right?

[upper pasture]

no

well...i haven't seen. they've always seem to die in I2

[warm topaz]

nope, they have not yet

[harsh mason]

According to dungeon journal, he has a supernova in phase 3

[upper pasture]

supernova would start P3 no?

[harsh mason]

We don't know that yet

Maybe not just at the start

[upper pasture]

p3 supernova is different than p2 supernova

top is P2 bottom is P3

[harsh mason]

In myth, supernova deals less damage in phase 3 than during intermission

[upper pasture]

but it still doesn't apply a shield

[deep pawn]

I just know there's feathers at the start of p3 which makes me think they intend for you to re earn the damage buff somehow

[upper pasture]

is that not fgor the empowering flame buff to help clear the vines?

IE go up grab flare bomb to stop that AoE dam then come down and land on roots for that extra dam

since P3 is just all the mechanics at once

[deep pawn]

Hmm maybe

[warm topaz]

this looks so* good

[harsh mason]

Most likely this is an enrage in phase 3

[upper pasture]

i think flame surge is the enrage

415k every 1 second for an undetermined time seems like an enrage to me

[silent urchin]

nah, flame surge is the area boundry spell, it's there on all difficulties

[upper pasture]

yeah but in P3 they have nowhere to go?

[deep pawn]

yeah, I really think we'll see another 20% nerf sooner or later

they've literally made no progress since the nerf

[upper pasture]

they've made progress, they've made it to P3 now

[harsh mason]

There's massive progress up to 46%

[upper pasture]

well, i wouldn't say massive since it was an health nerf

[harsh mason]

I think that if the Liquid is killed first, there will be about 300 pulls, and if the Echo, then about 200 (since it is obvious that it is easier for them to play according to an already known strategy)

[upper pasture]

yes, that's the unfortunate part about doing RWF this way but the old way wasn't engaging in anyway either.

[deep pawn]

that's 1% more than where the nerf put them

They barely moved into p3, did they survive the shield yet?

yeah, they were at 60% before nerf which would put them at 48%, their best since is 46%

[harsh mason]

Well, that's enough, they have enough damage to kill up to enrage. Moreover after reset, ilvl will become even bigger

[deep pawn]

there's 0 way they intend this boss to last past reset

they'll ensure it dies sometime midday NA tomorrow

[warm topaz]

282 pulls for Tindral already

even with the nerf

44%

[harsh mason]

Nerf hp is definitely not needed anymore.

Only if the abilities

[warm topaz]

Liquid didnt go p3 bc they didnt want to share info with Echo

they practice p1 and p2

[harsh mason]

Damn, I take my words back, this Echo will have ~ 300 pulls. I hope the Liquid will not 500

I'm wondering if the blizz want Fyrakk to be harder or not

Because if so, it will be the Tomb of Sargeras 2.0

[austere gazelle]

Echo do not need to copy on them anyway. They shown many time that they were capable on making their own strat without the need of Liquid. Max is probably a bit paranoid

[warm topaz]

i dont think he is paranoid

its just how this works

if i reach p3 you can see how p3 is

[austere gazelle]

Echo did it several time and did not hide it anyway ( IE Jailer )

[warm topaz]

thats just the strategy both are fine

[silent urchin]

tindral pulls are mostly very fast

even the ones that get to P3 are only like.. 4-5 min? And about half of them die in p1 or 2 cause it's very tight on mechanics

[silent urchin]

vampire survivors mode probably explains all those weird low level items with special effects

like the "Permanent" crit increase or trinkets that let you cast heroism

[ember blaze]

Do you think wed get a mini game like that in wow?

Or just something very simple for a shortquestline

[silent urchin]

We've had various mini games before

but I do struggle to see how it would work

[dense plover]

something like withered training

fully instanced

[upper pasture]

maybe a certain tower in a certain span zone

[dense plover]

new vendor, so solid chance for new build tomorrow

[subtle oar]

A vampire survivors mini game would be awesome

[dense plover]

not sure exactly how that would work in wow

they COULD replicate the camera stuff but it would be weird

so i really dont know

[upper pasture]

prolly pop you into an instanced zone as a basic character not as your actual class/spec

[dense plover]

npc maybe

[silent urchin]

I suspect it's just items/upgrades inspired by the game, regular wow combat otherwise with some sort of wave system

could reuse a lot of torghast tech

[dense plover]

that would be pointless

thats not a vampire survivors gamemode

[deep pawn]

Torghast was their first rogue like after all lol

[warm topaz]

how many pulls already? big progress with 23%

[upper pasture]

it was close to 400 before i went to raid

like 380

[thin warren]

Are we talking about 1 bossfight?

400 wipes on one boss, I ragequit after 5, lol

[upper pasture]

yes 400 on just t swifty

[thin warren]

Crazy

[harsh mason]

Well... it's almost a Avatar of Sargeras record, there were 450 pulls

[thin warren]

[harsh mason]

This, of course, is not entirely normal, but it has already happened. In my opinion, it was about the same with Blackfuse and Spine of Deathwing

They were 2 times more difficult than the final boss

There were about 300 to 400 pulls, too

[thin warren]

Well, kudos for their tenacity I guess 🥲

[upper pasture]

uunat says hello

it was like 800 pulls

[thin warren]

How people can find the willpower to continue such wipefests is beyond my braincapacity

[glass flicker]

You rang?

Maybe my name should be Motivation.

[harsh mason]

Yes, but he was the last boss of a major patch (technically he, not Jaina). And I meant those who were not a last boss

[harsh mason]

Uunat was a unique boss, as he essentially put in place all the strongest guilds )

He was the first to be killed by those who never took WF before or after

[subtle oar]

Man, I remember Mythic prog on Opulence and Mekkatorque for my guild

[thin warren]

i don't know how you can wipe so much, that means you are just undergeared or the mechanics are a lot about luck

[harsh mason]

I'm sure Fyrakk will be much easier.

[deep pawn]

Blizzard is usually a bit sensitive to that after the negative reaction Xavius got but they can't really afford Fyrakk lasting more than a day or so

[harsh mason]

They can

If they didn't want to, they'd have nerfed Tindral even more.

But at this point, they just made this fight go for 7 minutes instead of 10 minutes

If they make the spawn of seeds in the 2nd phase not 3 seconds, but 6. And in the 3rd phase not 5, but 8 (for example), then the boss will become easier

[warm topaz]

if p2 seeds is 5 seconds this boss would have been dead 2 days ago

[harsh mason]

That's what I'm talking about. If Blizzard had wanted the raid to be done by nov 23, then Tindral would have already been killed

[warm topaz]

yeah for sure

i hope they dont nerf it again

neither Fyrakk

i love Tindral

[glass flicker]

I don't get why raids get nerfed after already being done.

Like, they're not mathematically impossible anymore.

[warm topaz]

how is Fyrakk on HC? looks good for Mythic?

[deep pawn]

Fights get nerfed so people can feel like they are still progressing

[harsh mason]

I hope he won't be like Anduin. Anduin before the nerfs looked like a boss at ~400 pulls

[harsh mason]

Yea, a supernova in phase 3 this is enrage

[pulsar minnow]

Tyr's questline is the best questline ever made for one reason

we finally get to see Runas again

really weird ending to be honest

[ember blaze]

Who

[pulsar minnow]

I guess you didnt play legion

[tropic trail]

is runas not dead?

[pulsar minnow]

time travel

[tropic trail]

ah

[dense plover]

wait wtf - theres a rogue elisande now?

well thats a future storyline

[ember blaze]

Need her as an ally and we get a cool time mage dps spec

[ionic terrace]

huh no silver scales

[pulsar minnow]

I think it might be a bug

[silent urchin]

How final is the questline? Could there be another step that's not out yet?

[pulsar minnow]

Seems pretty final. Tyr is reforged. Nothing else to note

[ionic terrace]

the achievement is pretty final

[silent urchin]

Strange. And no vendor or anything at their spot in tyrhold?

[ionic terrace]

i didn't see one

oops

either a bug or they removed it

or we're missing something lol

[silent urchin]

and it's not just silently added to your collection?

[ionic terrace]

no

it's not even showing as an option

like even locked

[upper pasture]

maybe it will be mailed to us after a day or so

[ionic terrace]

if it's not mailed then it's bugged

[harsh mason]

No white scale???

[austere gazelle]

She is the real one, she played us by putting another version of herself during the fight, basically, she sacrificed a Variant

[dense plover]

dont think so

i think this is about leaving threads open for the future

[austere gazelle]

in short, from what I gathered, she went into anoter timeline and switched with a version of herself, we go into her new timeline, and then she came back now into our own ( an her original one )

[blazing granite]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/180ms5y/comment/ka7o5qc/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Seems that it was a bug

[deep pawn]

they fixed it

or at least for me

oh, that's just the armor, my bad

[dense plover]

if its been fixed, theyll send out mail to people who missed it in the next wave of hotfixes

[deep pawn]

the armor was last patch

[deep pawn]

here I go though

It may be tied to Fyrakk death

[ionic terrace]

It’s not

She says that even though I haven’t killed him

[deep pawn]

ah

the Amidrassil stay a while works, it's nothing really though

[mossy meteor]

@whole cedar btw, you get the scales in mailbox

if you finished the questline (like i did) but didn't get it (like i did)

i just logged back in and saw it in my mailbox

[whole cedar]

Yep

[mossy meteor]

heck yeah

finally white scales

[warm topaz]

Tindral down!

[tropic trail]

Finally some epic dragons

Rest of them are lizards compared to this

[austere gazelle]

some epic asian dragons*
The "european" type is still the highland one

[pulsar minnow]

Not… really?

I don’t think there’s an inherent cultural tie for the slitherdrake. They’re just noodle dragons

Also, Nordic Dragons are serpentine too

[austere gazelle]

true, I forgot those one

[subtle oar]

Blessed be the Noodles

[harsh mason]

Most likely so, because according to the plot they are literally an experiment

It's funny, by the way, that technically protodragons are wyverns (which are the "younger version" of dragons). But in WoW, it's the other way around.

[warm topaz]

Liquid with Fyrakk already

the room looks so good with the ink potion

[harsh mason]

They made 12 pulls yesterday after stream

[warm topaz]

yep

[vernal juniper]

Dragonflight

Mysterious Relic (New) - Obtained by assisting the Azerothian Archivists in the Dragon Isles. Bring them to Provisioner Aristta in Thaldraszus to exchange for items.

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1726639733533774137

do you know where is this npc?

I can't find it

[warm topaz]

check the comments of the tweet

[vernal juniper]

ohhhh I see

[silent urchin]

algethar seems like a weird place considering the event itself is SW azure span

[warm topaz]

maybe its PH?

[silent urchin]

doesn't seem to actually be there

ah, found her

north part on one of the islands

[dire igloo]

Hello fam ❤️

[silent urchin]

second page of items

[ember blaze]

Glasses need to be a separate item slot

[warm topaz]

any pull guess with Fyrakk?

i would said less than Tindral

[vernal juniper]

does Fyrakk has something secret?

[upper pasture]

Maybe?

[dense plover]

hopefully

[rain cave]

so are we going to expect elisande to crop up again at some point?

[deep pawn]

Not our Ellisande, but alternative version yeah

[harsh mason]

Unlikely

There is actually a moment here that prevents adding secret phases to bosses: it's fight time. Blizz don't want to make bosses for 13-15 minutes, but if you do less, the phases are not revealed

They can do as it was on Argus, but in fact there was just one huge secret phase on Argus (since phases 1 and 2 were only 4 minutes)

They can do as it was on Archimonde (where the secret phase simply replaced phase 3).

[warm topaz]

Jailer had secret phase right?

and Nzoth?

[harsh mason]

Yes (Jailer had a good secret phase, but its problem was that it could be reduced (blizzard did not fix these, since the race was already very long). Nzoth had a very bad secret Phase

[warm topaz]

yeah but i mean

usually all the last tier last bosses of any expansion have secret phase

jailer, nzoth, argus archimonde

Fyrakk should have one too

[harsh mason]

Well, look, like I said: Nzoth was on for 14 minutes. Jailer by 12 (only because the guilds have found a way to greatly shorten the phase)

If Fyrakk has all 3 phases, then there will be no secret

Since the fight will be too long

[ionic terrace]

hmm so i got a mail on ptr

quest that rewards the tyr tabard

so i guess it's a final quest in .5

[dense plover]

just realized that theres probably not gonna be a ptr patch this week b/c of thanksgiving

[ionic terrace]

yeah

i mean it could be today but idk

[warm topaz]

it should be today

yeah

[ionic terrace]

quest text

[silent urchin]

could be it's just on a delay

[ionic terrace]

all i know is that it was encrypted before

i had the mail yesterday but it was just a ? item

[ember blaze]

When can we kill him for the rest of his mog

[ionic terrace]

there's also different paladin npcs

Mehlar, Liadrin and High Prelate Rata

[harsh mason]

In fact, it is difficult to call it a secret phase for Nzoth. There it was so that in the 2nd phase it was necessary to enter the portal and kill 1 mob

[silent urchin]

One nice change on PTR - polished pet charms stack higher (at least 5k, from 1k) and there seems to be conversion from shiny to polished

the latter may have already existed, but it's automatic now and mailed to you

[ionic terrace]

i think you're right tho, the item was added in 10.2

maybe a weekly reset

[silent urchin]

yup, can confirm shiny pet charms are removed and I got mailed the replacement as polished

[deep pawn]

hmmm, Tyr getting confused

I don't like confused Keepers, that leads to Ra-den/Loken stuff

[harsh mason]

He is confused in a good way. Well, like... you die in one world, and then you are returned to a world that has changed 100%

He behaves as anyone would behave. Ra-den was just a whiner, and Loken, well... we condemn him.

Loken is an example of how to ruin everything with one stupid act

[warm topaz]

this

completly agree

[rain cave]

I mean

not really a good way since the first thing he says when he the tyrs guard tell him they kept his mission going and he just goes "my mission was to spread the titans will"

[harsh mason]

Yes, but at the same time he also says that he does not want to just interfere in his current life (at least until he understands everything)

[austere gazelle]

He also said that he doesn't know what is the titan true endgoal because they never tell anyone. So it may end up conflicting his ideals in the end and he won't side with his former masters

[vernal juniper]

no build this week?

[dense plover]

its unlikely

thanksgiving week

idk if they even have people there to push it right now

[vernal juniper]

oh right, its holiday in the US

[elder otter]

Tomorrow, technically.

[dense plover]

yeah, but people might have already left

the earlier you leave, the cheaper the air travel

and schools in california have the whole week off so lots of people tend to leave friday/saturday of last week

[silent urchin]

wednesday is apparently the busiest travel day. Also I vaguely recall hearing that blizz gives the week off

[elder otter]

Yeah, of course.

[vernal juniper]

well

we got another build on vendor 3 today so idk

someone must be there

[harsh mason]

Well, they could download this just as they work, this does not mean that it is ready for testing on ptr.

Considering that Azerothian archives and plot will not be tested on the PTR

Then most likely you should not wait for a lot of content on the PTR. Now November will end and there will be only a few weeks before Christmas

Most likely they will test it themselves

[vernal juniper]

well

10.2.5 will be live in January right?=

not before xmas

[dense plover]

probably

[vernal juniper]

the xmas stuff were already datamined and probably tested internally in 10.1.5/10.1.7

10.2.5 its a Valentine patch

[warm topaz]

16/17 maybe

[vernal juniper]

so before February

[harsh mason]

All patches are released every 2 months (+- a couple of weeks).

[dense plover]

before the outland cup

[harsh mason]

10.2.5 will be released 2 months after the release of 10.2 + a week (due to holidays).

[silent urchin]

8 weeks would be the second of jan, my bet is 16th, 10 weeks

two weeks extra for thanksgiving/christmas

[dense plover]

why not 9 weeks?

outland cup starts the 16th currently

i suspect the patch will release before that event

[harsh mason]

Well, here's an example of what the problem of the WF stream is: Liquid about 50 pulls learned to play on the 1st phase, and the Echo just purely copies it

So I wouldn't say Max is paranoid. Echo copies under the pure, literally movement in movement

I understand that it's interesting to watch the WF race, but before the guild streams, at least they played differently, built different tactics.

[silent urchin]

Figuring out how a mechanic works is one of the easiest parts. Getting the execution figured out is much harder

not to mention even minor differences in comp mean all your cooldown planning has to be different

Sure there's a small advantage, but it's not that big

[harsh mason]

Well, Liquid tested options for how to move correctly during Dream rend. It took them about 30 attempts to do this. Echo came and immediately copied

They tested it first after killing Tindral. Then yesterday.

So I agree that they are off stream yesterday

It's really easier to overlap abilities on Fyrakk, but nevertheless there you need to learn how to move correctly throughout the phase. Liquid learned to do it, Echo just copies (learning not to die)

[austere gazelle]

And when Echo is before Liquid , Liquid do exactly the same. So there is no point. Ask for a global release instead, it"ll even stuff out. There was plenty of example when Liquid was behind and watched Echo's stream all the time to see and copy their works, and echo never bothered to the point of shutting their stream, for exemple, to hide the world first kill.
That's the difference. Echo is confident in their skill and are not worried other would copy their strat. Liquid (well, Maximum ) sounds paranoid and is less confident so it fears other copying their strat

[harsh mason]

Well yes. I generally say that it looks... not like a race, but like copying tactics

[austere gazelle]

yeah with global release it'll be a tad different I think.

[harsh mason]

Well, this time Echo started together with NA, as a result, after the first day they returned to their schedule

[austere gazelle]

the raid still opened later for echo on EU. They made char just for the lolz and rushing NM on US

[warm topaz]

thats why the did not stream last night

[harsh mason]

Apparently Liquid is afraid to say how many pulls were made after off the stream lol

I'm telling, it's not a race anymore, it's clowning around.

[warm topaz]

why?

[harsh mason]

Because they essentially didn't credit themselves for the pulls they made off-stream

[warm topaz]

what you mean

[harsh mason]

They don't have 56 pulls , they have more

[harsh mason]

Well, they're not even updating pullcounter right now

And now they've shown, okay

[warm topaz]

105 pulls

[harsh mason]

Okay, another boss for 300+ pulls. The second phase is wild

[upper pasture]

that whole shadow cage and then having to use the fire debuff to open them is wild lol

[harsh mason]

This+ the need to control the spirits and kill everything very quickly

[upper pasture]

cant wait to see what mythic adds to P3 LOL

maybe the shadow cages carry into p3

but god, that will suck. just another thing to ruin a seed

[harsh mason]

Are they there????

[upper pasture]

no

[harsh mason]

Oh

[upper pasture]

p3 is the final burn phase with the seeds and the roar mechanic

[harsh mason]

I know that there are new seeds there that need to be taken, then drop

How it was on Holondrus

[upper pasture]

yeah that's in normal and heroic too.

you pick up seeds and protect them during the fight. if they get hit by anything then turn into an AoE mechanic that basically wipes you and if you live through that you have one less seed that you need for the apocalyptic roar to reduce that damage that one shots you otherwise.

but we don't know what P3 adds in mythic

[harsh mason]

No, I mean coruption seeds. While they are lying down, they cause a huge increasing damage to everyone, when they are picked up, then a small but rapidly increasing damage to the player. If seeds falls under SF (like seeds from Normal/Heroic)-dead

[upper pasture]

oh god damn

[blazing granite]

I sure do look forward to that teased (in the interview) meeting between Vyranoth and Tyr, especially with the latter's current emotional/mental condition.

[harsh mason]

By the way, I know from novel that he and Vyranoth saw each other before the war. Did Tyr know about other Incarnations? Because he seems to have died BEFORE the start of the war

[warm topaz]

Did they nerf Fyrakk?

12% HP the colossus on p2

[harsh mason]

Yea

[warm topaz]

now Echo is the one doing the off stream thing

and is completly fine, i don't know where is the problem

[harsh mason]

This is fair, since the Liquid was done the same way

[upper pasture]

Tbh there is no “right” way to do it, either you stream it for views and give away your strategy or you turn off stream and try to play to win.

[warm topaz]

43% Liquid!!!

[tropic trail]

Weird they nerf it before world first.

[upper pasture]

Not weird, sometimes things are just overtuned

[silent urchin]

It's a pretty targeted nerf. It was a very harsh dps check on some adds - they could do it, but it was coming around again too fast for enough cooldowns to be up

[harsh mason]

It's literally always been that way. Sometimes nerfs several times

[harsh mason]

Liquid was able to do it yesterday (but then everyone died). Nevertheless, it was real

There, literally at the last moment, they managed to finish off the colossus

[harsh mason]

I don't think it's OK to turn off the stream so that the opponent doesn't know the tactics. But as for me, it's better then don't have to start streams anymore

Because first they create a hype around their WF race stream, and then they off the stream when they realize that they can lose. Like... then why start streams at all? Go back to how it was before BfA

[dense plover]

why not? its not like theyre obligated to stream at all

stream sniping is NOT and should NOT be the 'strategy'

"we arent as good but we are good at copying your good strategy so we won"

thats fucking lame

[harsh mason]

Because at the moment, since the BfA (when they decided to show the race), in terms of showing the race on streams, this is the worst WF race.

[harsh mason]

Of course not, I did not write that the they are obliged. I wrote that they create a hype around their streams of this race in almost a month.

[dense plover]

theyre only going dark right before they sleep

theyll be back

[harsh mason]

Moreover, they do not just stream, they serve it as a show (with prizes, with donations, and so on).

[dense plover]

itll be back

i think its fair

[warm topaz]

they just want to win

[warm topaz]

i hope they update the loading screen of eastern kingdoms in Midnight

[deep pawn]

I do wonder how they'll handle the zone transition

They won't be same server but they teased flying from Lordaeron to Quel thalas

[rain cave]

Race to world first isn't an official thing technically

At least it shouldn't be

It's just a bunch of guilds trying to kill it first

They have no obligation to stream and the fact there's a meta outside of the game for it is damaging

It's not really sustainable as an esport, and was originally part of the fun of the game but now it's over blown

It's a tough situation

[harsh mason]

Loogin screen they had to uptade in legion

But for some reason they didn't do it

[warm topaz]

what MrGM says is true, Warcraft Rumble is sponsoring the race

[deep pawn]

A sponsor doesn't make it an official Blizzard event

[warm topaz]

yeah you are right

but is curious

[worn crown]

But... If the sponsor is WC Rumble, it comes from Blizz 🤪

[rain cave]

they can't sponsor world first

it's not an event

you can't sponsor someone unless it's a 2 way deal

and I doubt they're going around giving contracts to every guild in WoW

[pulsar minnow]

Probably the same way they’re doing zone transitions in TWW

With what we saw with the transition from Ringing Deeps to Hallowfall

[deep pawn]

They are a sponsor for both liquid and Echo

They've had paid playing of the game on stream

[blazing granite]

When you realize that Tyr is essentially "the main character of an isekai" now

[pulsar minnow]

“Help, I got Reincarnated as a 50 foot tall metal man made of silver!”

[dense plover]

actually its probably just phased like silithus

[harsh mason]

Fyrakk new nerf

HP 4%

[harsh mason]

To be honest, nerf is very strange, since these 60 million clearly did not affect anything lol

[crystal pond]

They really cant kill fyrakk cause he too chonky?

[harsh mason]

There are a lot of hidden mythic changes that are not listed in the journal and that cannot be seen on the video. For example, now the spirits of Kaldorai and the ancients are instantly defiled if they are touched by blaze

On it, you can wipe literally not correctly by taking a step

[warm topaz]

how is it going guys

i've been disconected today

[ember blaze]

Darkheart prison farming ring/neck

[warm topaz]

this boss is tough

[warm topaz]

world 4th Tindral for Huoguo on their pull 779

[crystal pond]

Fyrakk is the hardest boss of df i guess

[harsh mason]

At the moment, he is the most difficult expansion’s last

I mean, among all the final bosses, not raids, but specifically expansions

Although perhaps Archimonde was more difficult before the first nerf

[crystal pond]

Uu'nat was the hardest boss

Heh those mechanics that if you fuck up for a second will cause wipe

[paper sequoia]

or even kil'jaden in legion

had to nerf it to the ground to even be a mythic boss

[harsh mason]

His not a last boss of expansion.

So Uunat is even more difficult than KJ

[cosmic beacon]

I mean uunat wasn’t even killable cause of its tuning and bugs?

Or was it just super overtuned

[warm topaz]

Liquid is on!

[harsh mason]

No, Uunat was really hard. There are a lot of mechanics who kill for one mistake. There were no bugs on it

[cosmic beacon]

So just overtuned gotcha

[paper sequoia]

yeah he was overtuned in the first phase of the fight

[harsh mason]

They didn't rest on dps, they didn't rest on hps either, it was just hard. The bottom line was that it was possible to survive his abilities only by using relics, but at the same time relics killed players if they did not correctly use the abilities of bosses while using relics. Something like that lol

[harsh mason]

The first phase there was the simplest

[cosmic beacon]

I barely played back then but I remember keeping up with the high end raiding and remember people mentioning how the boss was practically unkillable cause of how hard it was, along with requiring basically perfect play

[paper sequoia]

it was unstable resonance that was overtuned + all the other mechanics around it

i remember even method said it was so annoying and cost them like 400 wipes just for that so blizz nerfed it

[harsh mason]

The resonance was at all phases

[paper sequoia]

which overlapped with a lot of phase 1 mechanics

• other probelms in the later phase that got blizz to nerf stuff even more

[winged dagger]

I wonder if there will be anything tied to m fyrakk being killed. Like unlocked items or content from blizz.

[upper pasture]

the legendary axe will be unlocked

[austere gazelle]

to sponsor it they would need to make dedicated server like the MDI, so Blizzard could do an actual, fair competition on common grounds

[rain cave]

yup, which also defeats the point of world first

[austere gazelle]

Of course they will have to completely change the way things are done.

[rain cave]

if it was an actual competition it wouldn't be world first anymore

it would be "who gets to be on blizzards good side and allowed to throw themselves at bosses with ideal conditions" - first

[winged dagger]

That's true, but I wonder what else. Like when the evoker legendary unlocked, the mote of noz pet unlocked to collect.

[upper pasture]

we don't know. we didn't know about the mote pet until it happened

[winged dagger]

I know we don't know. 😂 Just saying "I wonder if"

So I wonder what might happen. It's exciting!

[rain cave]

would there be fated ilvl upgrades for the legendaries this xpac?

[harsh mason]

I think so. It will be shame if the weapon from ”fated" will be better than the legendary axe

But Ion said that “fated” in DF will be different (for example, there will be no affixes on bosses).

Therefore, I wonder what exactly will be there, because it is unlikely that they will simply transfer the raids without changing them in any way

I wouldn't mind if they did as with the rotation of dungeons ( added old raids to the season)

[rain cave]

maybe they'll flavour the whole thing under the bronze as well?

hence the name 'fated'

so the infinite dragon we have on our side is basically observing how some things are 'fated' to happen

and that's the context for the season?

[harsh mason]

Ion said that the season would not be called fated, but in accordance with another theme (he mentioned that "for example, something related to Titans)

[rain cave]

titanforged is back 😭

[sleek solar]

Do we know the tradingpost items for december yet?

[warm topaz]

nopeç

[silent urchin]

week in wow blog tomorrow will tell us which day that comes

likely it'll be tues or weds

[warm topaz]

oh man wtf

next week is December already

why time pass this fast

[deep pawn]

no schedule post?

oh right it's only sunday

[warm topaz]

man this race is freaking amazing

[ember blaze]

then we'll blink on our way to a retirement home

[warm topaz]

we'll blink on our way to release day of TWW

[ember blaze]

[warm topaz]

and Echo won this time!

[silent urchin]

leggo

[warm topaz]

oh man im so sad bc i love Max but this race was amazing

[harsh mason]

After receiving the axe, you are given a quest in which you will need to go to the Azerothian archives

Sorry for the picture quality

[warm topaz]

that is the 10.2.5 thing

[molten niche]

my question is, is the axe personal loot or will it be need/greed? if it snot personal loot why have bad luck protection on it

[harsh mason]

Yea, I know

[ember blaze]

the first mythic kill isnt

[silent urchin]

The archives already exist, technically

apparently in CUBE form

[molten niche]

ahh ok ty for clearing it up

[ember blaze]

if it was required for the lego, why wouldnt they have it ready?

[silent urchin]

it's encrypted I guess

But the building isn't new, is what I mean

seems like it is a similar questline to the evoker one

[silent urchin]

damn there were followups to the first quests

that's gonna take a while

my favourite part is how people are suggesting stuff to meeres based off what they've read on wowhead which is documenting meeres's stream

[austere gazelle]

everything surrounding this leggo seems unfinished tbh

From the icon up to the questline xD

I mean ...
there is an " adventurer " class now ?

[dense plover]

It was encrypted not unfinished

Adventurer shows up in those situations often

[harsh mason]

The axe's ability is very powerful, especially in m+

I need this

By the way, it's sad that you can only see such a dark color of his scales in a fight with him in the final phase

[austere gazelle]

So Liquid copied their strat this time ? XD ( jk )

[deep pawn]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24033713/this-week-in-wow-november-27-2023

New promotion coming and the trading post article

[warm topaz]

bro

Whats Next in season of discovery

the date for next level cap thing?

or not the date but the new raid + systems

[paper sequoia]

basically its classic + if ur familiar with that concept

tldr is the vanilla game but they add new content to that like new abilities, raids, quests, dungeons, etc etc but keeping the vanilla feel

its a 'season' tho so its a temporary server but they do plan to retain ur characters after its over (fingres crossed its an actual classic + server)

and yeah level cap in teh first phase is 25 and there is a raid too at that level and they will open up new content and a new max level as the season goes

[warm topaz]

yeah like i know

what i wanted to say is that the WoWCast on Thursday could be them talking about the next level increase

new content, whatever

[paper sequoia]

ohh sorry but yeah they always said in interviews it will increase and there will be more content

like in blizzcon

[warm topaz]

yep

[paper sequoia]

but i think they mentioned that they have no date for that yet lol like phase 1 isnt even out

i think they said that when they feel its time they will introduce the next level cap + new content

[warm topaz]

but didnt see anyone talking abt it, maybe the WoWCast is just for SoD itself as a content thing

[warm topaz]

yeah you are right

[deep pawn]

@uncut lintel https://www.wowhead.com/item=210414/forest-lords-antlers Did you know this made birds follow you?

[uncut lintel]

WHAA

HOW DO I GET THAT

[deep pawn]

it's an achievement

Treasures of the Emerald Dream, pretty quick

[lone mantle]

Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill made low; the crooked straight and the rough places plain.

[ionic terrace]

ok yea the tyr stuff was weekly reset

[tropic trail]

was checking out the new transporter ships on the PTR when i noticed this - has zidormi always had an "i would like to buy from you" option? (she sells nothing)

[warm topaz]

nope, thats new i think

[tropic trail]

the phrase "blizzard account bound" has been changed to just "account bound"

[ionic terrace]

nah it's not new

it's for people who did the MoP pre-event

so you won't see anything from her unless you have that FoS

[tropic trail]

the spirit healer model has been changed on the PTR to a kyrian

[rain cave]

honestly astonishing how we didn't see any spirit healers in shadowlands

as in the model and general vibe

I get they are kyrian, but just like how all the other covenants had different sects, where was the spirit healer sect 😭

everyyone was just.. kyrian lmao

[ionic terrace]

nah they didn't change, you prob have a toy effect

Mark of Purity it looks like

[tropic trail]

nope, i don't

[dense plover]

Did your copied character choose the kyrian as their covenant?

Or have the effect on live when copied?

[ionic terrace]

must be cuz it's still the old model for me

should be a build today btw

[ember blaze]

@ me when the build contains a new spec.

[upper pasture]

Or are you in bastion area of shadowlands, the spirit healers in there look like that

[silent urchin]

realms are offline, so presumably build soonish

[ionic terrace]

yeah been so for a bit now

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/seeds-of-renewal-ptr-development-notes/1713534/4

build out too

[silent urchin]

I guess that means we can go around the tree without being ported out

[dense plover]

"All remaining class talents that were previously Shadowlands Covenant Abilities have had their spell visuals updated to match their class visual kit."

"Developers’ note: Based on your feedback for wanting the option to keep the Shadowlands spell visuals, we’ll be adding a way to revert these talents back to their Shadowlands visuals in a future update."

"The skull icons on the instance difficulty banner (near the minimap) have been updated with new art."

tiny patch

[tepid fiber]

more 👏 glyphs 👏 more 👏 glyphs 👏 more 👏 glyphs

[dense plover]

im hoping bel'ameth is the new starter zone

[silent urchin]

you can indeed explore it

[dense plover]

this is kinda chonky for such small notes

740ish mb

stormwind portal room has a teleport

so its definitely the new capital

[silent urchin]

interesting

lots of unknown NPCs around

but red elves? Which ones are they

[dense plover]

oh - the druids of the flame

[silent urchin]

Ah right

[dense plover]

the ones you rescue and i assume convince to leave?

[silent urchin]

and yeah a stormwind portal

[dense plover]

i hope they add more story with them

highborne?

neat

guess this is part of building towards bringing elves together

[silent urchin]

now there are two of them

[dense plover]

oops

[silent urchin]

aww I thought I found a quest but it was the weekly enchanting one

it's a real nice area

👀

[deep pawn]

this is a smal lbuild eh

[silent urchin]

oh it's jewelcrafting lmao

[deep pawn]

ah, so that building is the new temple

makes sense

[tepid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-out-of-hand-gif-25556408

[deep pawn]

I hate how my downloads take forever to initialize now

[silent urchin]

there's a little tower for all the dark rangers, demon hunters and DKs

[dense plover]

world map also updated

[silent urchin]

huh

even the warsong gulch elves are here

[winged dagger]

for dragon isles supplies

[warm topaz]

damn i liike that

[deep pawn]

it's pretty bright honestly

[deep pawn]

what other covenant skills were we waiting on

Abom limb looks unchanged to me

[dense plover]

big ass fancy dock

bonedust brew was changed

@deep pawn

[deep pawn]

I can't remember which ones were missing from last build

I'm glad they're adding a way to get old ones back

[deep pawn]

it hasn't yet actually

[winged dagger]

found em

[deep pawn]

Same old

[dense plover]

thats not the same

[deep pawn]

that looks identical to me, at least it's the same green

[dense plover]

very similar but the throw animation and the color is slightly different

also the overlay is no longer a thick cloud

its got weird runes

[silent urchin]

feathermoon portal at the inn at the docks

[deep pawn]

was mindgames updated in the last build cause holy crap is this bad

Divine Toll still missing it's iconic bell toll

[winged dagger]

is this a new tame?

[dense plover]

azerothian archives

[winged dagger]

i dont know all hunter pet tames

[dense plover]

vendor appears to be implemented

[deep pawn]

New WoO

man if BDB is different it's so minimal to may as well not be

[dense plover]

im certain its different

i main brewmaster

[deep pawn]

I play it a ton too and I'm on live and ptr and the changes are barely noticeable unless it's a setting thing

[dense plover]

oh did they update faeline stomp?

[dense plover]

DAMN

what an ENORMOUS upgrade

[winged dagger]

noblegarden listed as source

[deep pawn]

MW mains aren't so happy

"looks like a midlife crisis tattoo"

[winged dagger]

lovely duckling moves:
Water jet, egg barrage , pump, surge, wild magic, flock

[dense plover]

it looks like jade

its cool

[deep pawn]

I'm sorry but I can't tell huge difference

[silent urchin]

aiding the accord has a weirdly thick exclamation mark on the map..

[winged dagger]

I get world quest notifictions when i go through a certain tunnel.

its a world quest that is currently in the same spot in emerald dream.

[silent urchin]

lots more stuff on the archives vendor

I assume linked to the last wowhead post

some of the text is updated and there's a rep bar

This is at the academy spot, going to traitor's rest now

so

it's another world event thing

[deep pawn]

@dense plover Can you take a screen shot of your BDB? Maybe I'm bugged

[dense plover]

ok i might be wrong

ill try again in a bit

[winged dagger]

in a cave. im sure story will seat two people there at some point

[deep pawn]

New Spear

[silent urchin]

... why did that paste in twice

https://i.imgur.com/bO759Vw.jpeg

gangs all here

[winged dagger]

is that a... soulshape...?

[dense plover]

definitely

[dense plover]

cool

[silent urchin]

There's a stay a while and listen on kalecgos and wrathion that don't seem to work

[deep pawn]

2d chains look bad though

I'm not sure what other abilities to check

Abom limb and Bonedust the only ones not upgraded and both make sense not to

[tropic trail]

seems new, starting area now shows you which quests are available to you that you haven't completed

i've not noticed that before and i made a new worgen a couple months back

[winged dagger]

so if you shift the camera around in the main hub inn.....

I havent moved

[deep pawn]

Sentinel Owl not updated

[tropic trail]

anyone checked around gilneas yet?

the sky seemed lighter when i made a lvl 1 worgen but that might just have been a visual bug

[silent urchin]

stuff vanishing is pretty common in ptr stuff, there's an invisible wall or something somewhere, so the game thinks everythings hidden and it doesn't need to show it

[tropic trail]

had a quick check - nothing much changed from last build, few new unknown NPCs - the atmosphere does feel different though

it feels much lighter

[dense plover]

common bug in new areas, especially inns

report it

[dense plover]

new gilneas is gonna be phased

i would love for them to update the starting zone

and considering what theyre doing in amirdrassil and the fact that dragon isles will be the defacto leveling expac, it might make sense to have them both be updated, BUT, they already have an updated starting experience and i dont see them replacing it

does set up the potential for allied race type stuff tho

like worgen night elves or high elves starting in amirdrassil

[deep pawn]

I think 10.2.5 will add red skin night elves

we saved some in this patch

portergauge has a good thread of all the outcasts

[tropic trail]

is it? i thought they were changing the entire zone and making a scenario(?)

[dense plover]

i mean phased as in before you do the quest/leveling version, vs after you do/max level

[winged dagger]

I wish goblin an gnome had a storyline. more than thier intro. but I'd really nice seeing gilneas get the love.

[tulip sun]

I don't expect them to do too much. Not to the level of the tree

Probably like the forsaken little hub

[tropic trail]

ahhhh i get you now LOL my bad

[silent urchin]

It would be nice to get a few proto dragons around valdrakken now that vyranoth is here

[deep pawn]

Likely gonna happen

Nether Drakes are around their new home

I guess there's more Storm Drakes where they were befre?

[silent urchin]

they added bards!

Or well, bard

[pulsar minnow]

ew that looks horrible

just the chains i mean

did they change condemn?

[deep pawn]

it's just execute with sudden up right?

I can take a look

[pulsar minnow]

I think its execute with massacre

[deep pawn]

it looks the same which is fine honestly

[pulsar minnow]

I got no problem with that

so as long as the animation stays the same I'm happy

[deep pawn]

fun new bug, the renown quest and the 5 seed quest both gave me a tabard

same tabard you get at 10, but weird

[dense plover]

think that might be a bug on live tbh

i had 2 tabards

[deep pawn]

yeah

it's live I meant

[austere gazelle]

Is the legendary weapon drop activated for all since the world first mythic or does mythic fyrakk needs to be killed on a realm before it activates?

[warm topaz]

is activated

[blazing granite]

I will not mind if by the end of the saga, Anduin, after obviously returning to the throne, is joined by Taelia (as a champion/close confidant) and Wrathion (as an advisor)
If we are to wrap things up for the 20-year-long story, might as well have some run full circle
And no, I do not suggest romance between him and any of the latter two. Having it be purely platonic (like siblings, even) will give it a chance of not being written sloppily
Two queer (?) BFFs is enough

Also betting on Jaina and Thrall biting it during the saga

[austere gazelle]

why should it be enough? If it flows in the story naturally and doesnt feel forced, then yes, they should go for it, there is no minimum or maximum LGBT quota. Simple fact that a lot of people ship Anduin and Wrathion together should indicate that it can flow naturally since there is a connexion between both of them, but we never know what will happen anyway

[blazing granite]

I just don't trust them to not make it forced

[harsh mason]

they have already forgotten about Taelia (although she seemed to appear in the story before DF (about the wedding)

[austere gazelle]

yeah that's what I'm afraid of tbh

[harsh mason]

I think if Anduin has a romantic arc, it will be with a new character

[blazing granite]

And she met Wrathion there, too

[austere gazelle]

simple fact they didnt go the aspect path with wrathion means that they have other plans for him

[harsh mason]

I liked the character Taelia in bfa, especially in the story arc with Flynn

And it seemed to me that in SL she had to play a more important role than: "wait until her father works"

[blazing granite]

Them teaming up to help Anduin out would be neat imo

[harsh mason]

But personally, it seems to me that if we make a romantic arch for Anduin, then let it be a completely new character

[blazing granite]

Same

Maybe Calia's daughter will fit the bill, they're clearly hinting on her being the current Scarlet leader

[harsh mason]

Just how I see it: the moment with Taelia was missed in the BfA, and with Wrathion they never even planned it (according to Kristy Golden). And this, too, was missed in the BfA anyway.

Lol, I'm an idiot

I even forgot her name

[blazing granite]

It's Aggra

[harsh mason]

Yes, exactly

Absolutely useful as a character, and a romantic arc

[subtle oar]

Thats Thralls wife

[blazing granite]

He deleted the comment

[subtle oar]

Ah.

[harsh mason]

I called her Dreka

[subtle oar]

The internet loves shipping anything together. The two are like brothers, let them be

[subtle oar]

Lol

[blazing granite]

Accepting that fact is for the good. It's hard to do when you see a new bottom being breached, though

[subtle oar]

Like, I'm Trans. I love real representation, I just hate seeing brotherly bonds between guys be immediately misconstrued as romantic. Like, are men not allowed to be friends with eachother with someone calling it gay? It feels, idk... kinda low key homophobic

[deep pawn]

Maybe but they definitely teased in the past.

[harsh mason]

Do I understand correctly that, in fact, Wrathion is only 1-2 years older than Emmigosa? I mean despite the peculiarities of his accelerated development, he's still a teenager now (and was literally a child then). There was not even a hint of a romantic line.

[austere gazelle]

IRL men are societally accepted as a wall of ice that shouldn't express feeling in public (that are not anger or showing sign of virility ), so, imagine showing feeling and friendship toward a guy, immediatly sus !

[subtle oar]

Yeah, it's always rubbed me the wrong way

[tepid fiber]

Men having emotional interactions with other men and being automatically shipped together is basically the opposite of historians saying "those two women are best friends." It's so annoying

[harsh mason]

He also has a very strong emotional interaction with Jaina, but well.,. this ship is not very popular

Although as for me-the absolute is exactly the same de interaction between them as between him and Wrathion

I would even say that he has a stronger connection with Jaina

[tepid fiber]

Anduin likely still blames Wrathion for everything leading to the death of his father. I'd rather see Jaina rekindle her relationship with Kalecgos, the were rather engaging together--although he's still gotta get over the Sunwell probably, on top of his new/resumed Aspect responsibilities

I'd be fine if Anduin just worried about Anduin and the Alliance. He could even enter a political marriage, but he doesn't need to be romantically involved with anyone

[sleek solar]

Why are people so set on Anduin+Wrathion djeez

[pulsar minnow]

Wow that bonus reward is…

Horrible

Should’ve been the storm hammers

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/YDOKBVUSQ6GH1701129904778.png

Like im sorry i get its a bonus reward but a pet as a bonus reward just never works imo. Granted I dont use pets at all so 🤷‍♂️

[tepid fiber]

For everyone else it's a good reward

[warm topaz]

i think is funny, i like it

[tepid fiber]

Battle pets and collecting them is a very popular activity

[warm topaz]

is not as a good as other month reward

[pulsar minnow]

That’s what I mean

[tepid fiber]

It's all cosmetic, really, but battle pets can at least be used in a gameplay system

Although I'm sure its abilities aren't any different from the other moose pets

[warm topaz]

i love the hammers btw

they are khaz algar theme right

[pulsar minnow]

Yes

[tepid fiber]

They're made to match the Stormrider armor from the expansion pre-order

[pulsar minnow]

Feels like they shoulda been in the expansion epic edition tbh

I also wonder what happened to the other color variations

But man, that moose is a major let-down compared to the past travelers log

[dense plover]

future log rewards

[pulsar minnow]

That would be kinda lame. Especially since the gryphon changes colors by default

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tepid fiber]

The moose isn't the reward though, it's a bonus pet attached to the mount reward. We're getting more than we usually do for a monthly reward and you still see this as a let-down? Good lord man do you want free character boosts just for logging in?

I can understand reasonable disappointment but this is ridiculous

[pulsar minnow]

No. Okay so you’re clearly misunderstanding something. There is no mount bonus reward this month.

It’s just the moose pet which is underwhelming compared to its predecessors

Past bonus rewards have been the cosmic weapons cache, dark moon harlequins set, etc…

[tepid fiber]

Oooooh hang on, yep you're right

Although honestly still not that bad

It's really cute

[pulsar minnow]

I mean its just underwhelming compared to past rewards. Imo they shoulda just made it the fox

[harsh mason]

I don't see any reason why they can't make a pet in month reward. Like, any collectible staff will appear there

[subtle oar]

Eh, I'm with Tiri on this

[upper pasture]

i mean how many months have we already gotten a mount as a reward?

[pulsar minnow]

Quite a few

[upper pasture]

so why not let another reward take the limelight for this month?

[pulsar minnow]

Kinda unrelated, idk about yall - but I gotta say the armor sets and weapon transmogs are probably what get me the most hyped for the traders post

[pulsar minnow]

Idk it’s just that I don’t think I’ll ever use it lol

It’s all subjective at the end of the day

[upper pasture]

that's fine, the monthly reward isn't always gonna be for you

[pulsar minnow]

For those that like it? Cool

Personally I don’t, but it’s not the end of the world since there’s so much in this months traders post that I like

Ngl I don’t know how I’m gonna be able to get everything as a Evoker, Shaman, Paladin, Warrior player

The helmet is freaking insane

[upper pasture]

meh the evoker set/weapons look very mid. hopefully they look better ingame

[winged dagger]

I'm a huge pet battle enthusiast, 1600+ pets and I have yt channel about pets. I think the moose looks derpy. Visually a meh design. If the pet looked like mischief or sergeant quackers, etc. people wouldn't mind as much. I can't speak on it's battle abilities and stats as those aren't revealed yet.
I love getting a pet as the monthly reward, maybe just not THIS pet. 😂

[rain cave]

"everyone else" meaning the 1% of players who care about battle pets 💀

like, more power to battle pet people but it's really not popular with the actual playerbase