beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

and they didnt test that

hence the bugs

[deep pawn]

the only bug I got was Koranos Stay a while

and I presume it's tied to waking him up next week

if it's meant to be available this week

[blazing granite]

21st

[deep pawn]

I meant the New Beginnings being available this week

[uncut vault]

For those who might want to see it, the post-raid cutscene at the new open world Amirdrassil: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/875507311580418138/1174271784078553088/SPOILER_belameth.mp4

[deep pawn]

There's one person on reddit who's so mad at the idea that the Kaldorei are coming here "Abandoning Kalimdor" and letting the "Horde get away with genocide"

I for one am so hyped to see a new city be built there over the next 3 patches

[crystal pond]

I can understand people who complaining that nelf living now right next to dragons

[ember blaze]

is that water special

[deep pawn]

They make it a moonwell

[ember blaze]

which means

[deep pawn]

Basically means it has water in it that was from the original well of eternity and is a font of magic. Elune in particular blesses them too.

[deep pawn]

I mean it makes sense to me. The night elves have always been intertwined with the dragons. Perhaps not as closely as they were post sundering, but Alexstrasza and Tyrande reminisced of those times.

[crystal pond]

"we will protect all of azeroth but we allow only nelfs to live next to us"

"We will protect all of azeroth but only nelfs will get our blessings"

[deep pawn]

I think we'll have to wait to see what type of city is built along the roots to say that.

The questline has you specifically check in with the Centaur, Tuskarr, and Gnolls to make sure they're okay after the tree arrives.

There are Tauren who make the plains home now and some likely will be at the tree too.

[crystal pond]

If all elfs will be allowed to be there, i will not complain
Not all mortals but atleast all of elfs

[austere gazelle]

People are short sighted.

We know that midnight teased the reunification of the scattered elvens tribes.
We know that the core of the fight will happens in Quel Thalas.
We also know that Lordaeron is being rebuilt.

Both of these place will be new neutral hubs for the story of Midnight due to their proximity with the High elvens lands

Amirdrassil, the crown of harmony, will be the place, I think, where all the elves will finally reunites.
We had the first teases with the " reunification " of all the dragonkind. It will be the same with the Elves

There is also a thematic running since a few expansion.

Human and Forsaken reuniting.
Horde and Alliance healing wounds
Dragons tribes uniting
Draenei and Eredar gathering again
Soon, it will be the elves turns. Maybe we will even have naga tribes amongst the elves too ( !! )

[fading lintel]

Anybody else get this white little screen bug

All the time

[austere gazelle]

might be an addon

[fading lintel]

UGH is so FRICKING ANNOYING

[fading lintel]

No i disable all and it still happen

[austere gazelle]

dont you have something like warcraft logs overlay ?

[fading lintel]

Pls help dooggolord

[fading lintel]

What is that

[austere gazelle]

so the answer is no :p

Cant help you then, try to clean your wow folders maybe there is a cache issue

[fading lintel]

What is cache issue

[austere gazelle]

something that stays in the memories in the game despite being not there anymore. needs to be flushed

[fading lintel]

Ok how to clean the cashe foldr

folder*

OMG im so exited to continue the story line

[fading lintel]

Do u have to defeat fyrak to continue questline

[deep pawn]

This week yes

If it's like Zaralek it'll unlock eventually and you'll see the post fight cinematic and stuff

[fading lintel]

Ugh

OMG

Can u see the world tree on dragon isles?

[deep pawn]

Yeah

[fading lintel]

HOW

How

[deep pawn]

It's a whole zone with new mobs and stuff

[fading lintel]

How can u see it

[deep pawn]

I just did the questline

[fading lintel]

Well i have done the questline but i cant see it

Do you hsve to defeat fyrakk

[deep pawn]

yes

Just like the Zaralek finale

[fading lintel]

How u already fdedewat him

defea¨t

[deep pawn]

I cleared normal in a pug?

[fading lintel]

Oki

[deep pawn]

you can't see the tree from Valdrakken sadly

about around Maruukai you can see it

[fading lintel]

Ugh i want to see soo bad

[uncut vault]

It will, the quest right after the raid one has the typical “watch the raid ending cinematic”

Probably expect that in December when the LFR tier comes out

[deep pawn]

If you're 440+ ilvl, just pug normal

Trust me, the raid is a mechanics check more than a dps/hps check

in normal

[deep pawn]

do you have any idea if this came up early or something? Or is wowhead just trying to avoid the spoilers on the front page and youtube?

[ember blaze]

Are people mad at its location?

[deep pawn]

one guy on reddit definitely was

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/17vlmdb/moving_the_kaldorei_off_kalimdor_completes_the/

[blazing granite]

Tyr created myself and my brethren to watch over these Isles. It was my duty to reactivate the Beacon of Tyrhold. When the opportunity to reawaken Tyr arose, I thought it my duty as well. Yet... I do not like to see him this way. Uncertain. Searching. Perhaps I am a watcher no longer. Perhaps now, I may serve as guide.

Koranos (the one with Tyr in Amirdrassil) says this after clicking on him.

It seems that something will happen to the disc during the questline.

Like, it gets broken/corrupted and the Tyr's Guard sacrifice themselves to restore/cleanse it, imbuing their influence into it

[silent urchin]

reddit comes up with the weirdest takes

[deep pawn]

we'll see

He could be blind or like a newborn of sorts

[uncut vault]

the people they have who completed the raid might just not care about the story haha

[deep pawn]

figured it was datamineable like everything else they posted

ah there's a post about it

seems like there's hidden criteria no one is sure about then

[pulsar minnow]

Could also be that Tyr has been dead for like 20,000 years. Dudes got no clue what the hell is going on

[deep pawn]

Oh, I will say it's not dependent on Sidequest completion sadly

I saw the Tauren and I had the Winterpelt guy there too even if I couldn't understand him.

Man... some people are really really confused about "Night Elf ancestral homelands"

Do they not realize those all got blown up and sunken?

Darnassus was at best a decade old when it burnt down no?

I totally messed up the orders stuff. 😄 I just started grabbing food from the tables and serving it. Oops

[subtle oar]

It was 34 by the time of Vanilla

Ashenvale and Darkshore are ancestral nelf land tho

And Felwood

[austere gazelle]

What's the name of Tyr's quest?

[deep pawn]

that... is wrong

Darnassus was only planted after Nordrassil went explodey

[subtle oar]

Mb, I misremembered the time between wc3 and vanilla. I could have sworn the trailer Said 34 years had past, but just checked and it was 4.

So Teldrassil was 4 in vanilla

Then ad 2 years each for vanilla, tbc, wrath, cata, mop, wod and legion

[uncut vault]

there's a lot of dialogue post-raid, like, bigger than orc heritage levels

plus a bunch of voiced stay a while and listens

[crystal pond]

https://youtu.be/j2aeKxd1Vg0?feature=shared

I laughing so hard right now

Man the narrative of the whole df is so questionable

[warm topaz]

i mean

i like the cinematic

[crystal pond]

No the cinematic is great but the whole plot with ysera is

Hope atleast malfurion did sleep well

Now gonna sleep in irl world again

[dense plover]

wtf

where is malfurion

if she goes back i want to see him back now

wtf

[upper pasture]

prolly slept in

[autumn dagger]

Lmao it would have been cool to see her grab his hand through the portal and pull him through as she went back

But I persobally liked it, she came to do what she had to do and now went back to sleep

[upper pasture]

man, they really put alot of people in the last push in chapter 5

Kalec is using mirror images to fight XD

[rain cave]

has anyone got fyrakk defeat cinematic

I'm only finding the aspect power one

[uncut vault]

that is the defeat cinematic

he just dies and then that happens

[rain cave]

tf

so he just dies offscreen?

and the tree randomly empowers everyone?

[uncut vault]

he's only mentioned by Ebyssian and Vyranoth in gossip text after

[rain cave]

is there any buildup to the aspects getting their power back?

or does it just happen as soon as fyrakk is downed

[uncut vault]

it just suddenly happens

it immediately cuts to a cutscene focusing on the heart of the tree

and then transitions to the cinematic

[rain cave]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-meme-gif-27557281

that's

questionable

[upper pasture]

prolly iridikron is going to pop up between now and TWW. maybe the mythic only cutscene will tease us.

[deep pawn]

Nah, next up is Wratheye

[rain cave]

there's a mythic only cutscene?

[upper pasture]

usually there is no?

[rain cave]

I don't recall there ever being mythic only cutscenes

[upper pasture]

??? am i just high?

[rain cave]

yeah xD

there's mythic only mechanics

mounts

etc

but never a cutscene

[uncut vault]

there have been mythic only phases

but cutscenes are always the same

Like, only mythic learns what happens to AU cho'gall lol

[upper pasture]

ah well. then hopefully blizzard is holding a cutscene for mythic clear then idk

[uncut vault]

there 100% isnt one for mythic

the cinematic is followed up by the cutscene of them explaining to each other what happened

[upper pasture]

no like after the race has concluded and we need to bridge the gap between this and what's next

[uncut vault]

well that's what the post-raid questline is

it does all the Dragonflight wrap-up and sets up TWW plot threads

[upper pasture]

seems strange if "there's still more DF story to tell"

[uncut vault]

There's mostly just little wrap-up things

IE "what is Vyranoth even the Aspect of", or the actual return of Malfurion now that Ysera's gone

[upper pasture]

didn't they tell us we have 3 major patches between now and TWW?

obvs not major major but lore wise bigger than normal

[uncut vault]

There are

but keep in mind, they did a patch like 10.1.7

where the MSQ was four quests and two cutscenes lol

one of those patches could literally just be "hey Malfurion's back, lets have him and Tyrande hug and go talk to Shandris"

[upper pasture]

eh, just seems meh all the cutscenes coming out of the raid/post raid. for the first time in the expansion we have no direction of which way the story is going i mean we KNOW Xal'atalth is coming back like no little teaser of what iridikron/Xal'atalth is doing.

like i'd even take a small convo between those two. plotting or whatever.

[pulsar minnow]

I mean do we really NEED one? Like we just had blizzcon right before this. We know Xal’Atath is trying to corrupt the world soul, create an army of nerubians, etc…

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

Tho I agree it’s weird Iridikron just pulled one of these

[upper pasture]

i mean, always pointing your players in the next direction is great for engagement

i'd almost take a bet that Iridikron got screwed over by Xal tbh. he might be dead or locked in some sort of void cage somewhere

not that i'd think they'd kill him off screen but like Xal got what she wanted so he'd likely be useless to her now

[uncut vault]

Khadgar talks about the Harbinger and going to speak with Alleria about it

[dense plover]

tbf, usually we are left with nothing until prepatch - that wont be the case here

we have multiple new things coming "every 8 weeks"

so hopefully we will continue to get small stories leading up to the war within

[deep pawn]

Was it Alleria?

[warm topaz]

"I've spoken with an old friend who is going to investigate"

[uncut vault]

Old friend only really leaves either Alleria or Medivh

and Alleria's the main character for the next xpac, and is seen in Dalaran in the features trailer

[warm topaz]

looks like it is Alleria i agree

[rain cave]

any particular reason why kadghar though?

or just plot convenience

[deep pawn]

He's the head of the Kirin Tor right now

They have eyes and ears across Azeroth

[warm topaz]

who is more powerfull, Khadgar or Elisande?

as a mage

srry for the random question lol but i can't wait to see Elisande next week i love the character

[subtle oar]

Where's this?

[deep pawn]

Post raid questline

[rain cave]

aye but why would he just immediately be the one to know about and go look for the harbinger

would it not be nozdormu/chromie at least going to tell him?

[wind agate]

So if Amirdrassil is the new Night Elf home and the Worgen were given Gilneas back - and Cataclysm is going to be recieving a Classic Server

Does that mean that there is another World Revamp happening?

[upper pasture]

doubtful

[deep pawn]

they have sent mixed messages

one interview they recognized the world is too old and need to do something

but more recent they say they'll do it when they can and it's plot relevant

such as 12.0 and Quel'thalas

[rain cave]

northrend and quelthalas seem to be getting revamps

and I imagine there'll be something around the sword for prepatch? but idk if it'll be a full revamp

https://youtu.be/j2aeKxd1Vg0

love how they just forget about malfurion here

and was ysera even in the fyrakk fight?

[dense plover]

we literally know we arent getting a full revamp

theyve explicitly told us the next 3 expacs

theres a quelthalas/ghostlands revamp coming

since they said youll be able to move between EPL and the new stuff in 12.0

and northrend revamp in 13.0 with a new underground zone

realistically both the quelthalas stuff and the northrend stuff will probably be totally new zones using those areas as design reference

so more like when they redid zones for cata than when they redid darkshore for BfA

[rain cave]

wonder if DK's will get some cool lore interaction in the northrend section

[dense plover]

or potentially might even be more fair to compare it to how they redid silithus

[dense plover]

almost definitely

[rain cave]

icecrown citadel is made of old god blood keep in mind

[dense plover]

im also hoping we FINALLY get taunka and/or tuskarr

long overdue

LONG OVERDUE

[rain cave]

and is next to nerubian stuff

[dense plover]

i dont think we will see nerubian stuff in 13.0 actually

since we are getting it in 11.X

afaik, a majority of the undead nerubians in northrend are gone after arthas was defeated

[rain cave]

I mean we might have them as continuous allies if some of them splinter and join us as is hinted

[dense plover]

unless we dont wipe out the nerubians in TWW

and they move into northrend

[dense plover]

thats certainly a possibility

tho they are inherently tied to the old gods

[rain cave]

well I just mean that if xalatath is still in command of a group of nerubians

they have a base in northrend

if she lives till then

[dense plover]

yes - if we dont defeat the nerubians

i dont think Xal will be defeated until at least midnight

if not the last titan

[rain cave]

the lore is that the rejected them at some point but now xalatath is bringing them back into the void fold

but some don't agree, but can't speak out directly

oh yeah I know xal is staying till midnight

[dense plover]

i dont think this is right

[rain cave]

she's literally the logo (the eyes)

[dense plover]

i thought they just survived underground

[rain cave]

I think they mentioned in a panel

it's on wiki as well as older lore

[dense plover]

oh ok

[pulsar minnow]

Not seen this posted anywhere, but man is it cool to FINALLY see the aspects all lined up together in Dragon form

(also I find it really funny that Ebyssian is so small in comparison to the rest, when his visage is by far the biggest)

[deep pawn]

Plus a cheeky Ysera

[pulsar minnow]

Awwww

Hey look who's back

Oh wow, Anaya's Pendant from classic is used as an offering for the new moonwell. That's a hell of a throwback. Also looks like the central encampment in Amirdrassil is called Bel'Ameth, which likely is the name of the new city

[tulip sun]

THIS

I want Taunka so bad

[jade basalt]

Is this after their blessing or before?

[pulsar minnow]

After blessing. It's the post raid chapter

Cindrethresh and Viridia are a couple, or at least... in that area

[deep pawn]

Cindre is the best guy, I hope see him more.

[austere gazelle]

What the .. Ysera ???
She be like :

[pulsar minnow]

I'm a little confused how Cindre identifies because their visage is a male while their dragon form is female. It is cool though to see the game take advantage of the androgenous side of the dracthyr forms and them actually use it for cool purposes like this

Cindre considers their visage form the "real" them - which I really like as I'm one of the players that stays in my visage all the time so to see other Drac NPCs do that too is awesome

Kodethi is going to Draenor

Dervishian is now an Alliance Diplomat

[austere gazelle]

good luck with that xD

[deep pawn]

I lean towards male especially since he's the only one that stays in visage there.

[pulsar minnow]

good point

[deep pawn]

Plus Viridia used he/him for Cindre

[pulsar minnow]

half the alliance think their goofy as hell lookin

[pulsar minnow]

ohhh good catch

Tess Greymane has a new outfit

Christ this celebration pretty awesome. Pretty much EVERYONE from Dragonflight's side quests, main story, etc is here

And as someone that did EVERY side quest in the Dragon Isles, I love it

Looks like Tyr was patched out, also Delaryn reunites with her love who got decapitated in the War of Thorns, very briefly though

[austere gazelle]

Oh man the comment section of the Ysera cinematic had me dying laughing... Well written cinematic but the context is so stupid

[rain cave]

how do you even tell the dragon form apart

[jade basalt]

Could you check in Valdrakken?

I think they're the same size there

So might just be a quest hiccup? Or its been hotfixed

[pulsar minnow]

because Cindrethresh's pronouns in wowpedia are she/her

also, female voice i think in dragon form

[jade basalt]

Would advise not checking Wowpedia anymore, we have moved to Warcraft Wiki, which means Wowpedia is no longer being updated and is in fact already out of date on many things

[deep pawn]

To be fair warcraft wiki gg uses she/her too

It'll probably take word of god, but Viridia using he/him is enough for me

Or it could be a non-binary thing where it's he/him in visage, she/her draconic form

[rain cave]

that's a weird discrepancy

bug report perhaps?

[silent urchin]

can't wait til all the fandom wikis lose search ranking

[pulsar minnow]

well its the same for Warcraft Wiki

[pulsar minnow]

nah it's just the character's voice in that form

cindrethresh has unique lines like the other scalecommanders

[rain cave]

hasn't it been established that dragons communicate telepathically though

[jade basalt]

Yeah yeah, just saying, going forward, best to keep to WCW

[rain cave]

like when the dragons are in dragon form they don't move their lips to speak

[pulsar minnow]

well that's iffy

and also doesn't apply to dracthyr

because dracthyr do speak with their mouths

[rain cave]

oh its a dracthyr

ok

was confused because dragon form was being said

lmao

[jade basalt]

@pulsar minnow Curious if you're able to check their size in Valdrakken?

[pulsar minnow]

Cindrethresh?

[jade basalt]

The Aspects I mean

[pulsar minnow]

oh in valdrakken it hasnt changed since 10.1

ebyssian and merithra are using their old models

[jade basalt]

Even post-raid?

[pulsar minnow]

seems like it. I'll check after i finish the post raid story

[pulsar minnow]

Amirdrassil is beautiful with the waking world skybox

The post raid story really sells the ending

[pulsar minnow]

to answer this question. Unfortunately Ebyssian and Merithra are still using their old models even after the post-raid chapter. That said, for some reason I haven't gotten credit for the last chapter so something's not working right. But netherwings are now flying around Valdrakken?

[austere gazelle]

yeah they've been invited by Viranoth into Thaldrazsus, they are now nesting in the mountains nearby

[tropic trail]

Where can you see that skybox ?

[harsh mason]

The ending of Star Wars 6 reminded

And to be honest, I've always been waiting for exactly this after defeating Legion or Nzoth

[silent urchin]

in development blog hasn't been removed from the this week in wow blog yet

maybe 10.2.5 today

and hopefully new roadmap

[harsh mason]

This year it is unlikely

[pulsar minnow]

Well yes. I knew that. I’m saying they actually show up now after the raid.

[pulsar minnow]

At Amirdrassil off the coast of the Ohn’ahran plains

[austere gazelle]

Oh , will have to check , they were already at amirdrassil before fyrak's kill, so I thought they were amso at valdrakken

[rose escarp]

Hype!

Especially because… I have zero idea of what to expect from the next patch. Like, at all.

[austere gazelle]

Fated stuff at the very least

[harsh mason]

Morgan Day mentioned some content related to the archives of Azeroth as something new (similar to archaeology)

Also, you may have some staff with keepers

They also mentioned that we will find out what Iridikron is doing there now

[rose escarp]

Doubt it, would be silly to have Fated already, if these patches are expected to be around every 8 weeks 🤔

[austere gazelle]

well I dunno, they mentionned fated raid and fater Mythic + so 🤷

[upper pasture]

they are stated fated is coming

[rose escarp]

Oooooh, that sounds cool. Would be neat to have more like Secrets of Azeroth.

[rose escarp]

Well, of course. But hardly in the first patch, when we know there are more until 11.0

[ember blaze]

Would be too soon for fated

[silent urchin]

I look forward to "dranei" customisations

[rain cave]

follower dungeons

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-rock-dwayne-johnson-eyebrow-raise-the-rock-gif-16089533

also I stg if the customisations are just hair colors again

[dense plover]

RECLAIMING GILNEAS

FINALLY

[rain cave]

reclaiming from what tho

scarlets?

only people that come to mind even though I don't think they're there

[dense plover]

definitely possible

they were in the undead area

TESTING THIS WEEK

HELL YES

[ionic terrace]

Today

I would say

[warm topaz]

that was datamined back in 10.1.7

like some hints

glad is going live already

[winged dagger]

azerothian archives is some kinda archeology feeling thing, and i am so ready to learn more

[deep pawn]

rip, no support DH spec

[rain cave]

still can't believe people thought that was a thing

[dense plover]

never gonna happen

considering they showed DHs only getting 2 hero specs

[deep pawn]

If they weren't going to spoil future announcements they'd have to

[rain cave]

well not never gonna happen, it's just very unlikely that if they were to start adding more specs to more classes, they'd give DH a support spec

[deep pawn]

I'm trying to keep hope they won't gut Augmentation and make it another dps spec listening to high end types saying "You failed, remove it"

[warm topaz]

Morgan said in the Q&A that is something like archeology yeah

[winged dagger]

class fantasy wise, how would a DH support?

[rain cave]

classes good for support specs -> Warrior, Shaman, Monk, Mage if I had to give one from each armor type

[winged dagger]

"here be chased by a demon!"

it'll motivate ya!

[deep pawn]

Inquisitor, tormenting debuffs that others can take advantage of

[rain cave]

that's just DPS imo

[deep pawn]

if it's by debuffing to make other people better that's a support

[rain cave]

the fantasy of that is tormenting their soul if you're going by the soul thing

you're the one directly rending their soul or w/e

which is kind of vengeance's gameplay fantasy anyway

with one of their builds

[deep pawn]

yes, but not to directly damage but enable others.

[rain cave]

inquisitor doesn't fit as a support spec

and also isn't part of DH fantasy it's just something people injected on top

like they can make it fit

[deep pawn]

People are going off the DH with the Scythe Artifact who read as a third spec

[rain cave]

if the DH's joined the wardens

[rain cave]

ik

but she wasn't an inquisitor

[deep pawn]

It's just a random name.

[rain cave]

inquisitor DH's would basically just be part of the wardens and belf guard

reintegrated

but I doubt they'd be support

to me they read more as a mixed DPS focused on attuning to specific magic types and setting up magical snares

like an interrupt that gives you a buff depending on what school of magic they were casting

magic burning/ antimagic

but yeah other classes suit a support spec more, and if DH were to get a new spec based on the scythe DH as even I've discussed, it would probably be DPS

unless they added a whole new questchain explaining the support spec and its origins

e.g. them joining the wardens to 'support' their ability to hunt down and contain things with their sight and soul manipulation

[winged dagger]

so I'm hype for whatever it may mean

[deep pawn]

DH deserve a third spec as soon as possible, but the game also needs more supports before people riot about aug being still mandatory

[pulsar minnow]

They need to figure out how the hell to balance Aug first

[winged dagger]

Also, I'm very in Pet Battles, and I hope this patch introduces Tamer Fights to emerald dream (which is not usually a bullet point)

[rain cave]

why do DH deserve a third spec ;p

[deep pawn]

It's simple, they either needed to make support a dedicated group role and add more where you need one to survive keys and stuff, or they just have to remove almost all the defensive utility

[pulsar minnow]

Aug shouldn’t be removed but damn is it annoying how it overshadows Devastation 24/7 because of how busted it manages to be despite nerf after nerf. Halfway through ptr it was like D tier, then they did a quick rework and now it’s S+ tier again. Literally makes me want to drop my Evoker main because I don’t wanna play Aug

[deep pawn]

Make might only affect dps, make their mastery be flat dps instead of versatility, etc

[rain cave]

I disagree with making support a group role

makes them mandatory

[deep pawn]

I wanted 6 man m+ with it being 1-1-1-3

[pulsar minnow]

The problem won’t be fixed by adding more supports, because then you have the other DPS specs being basically pointless since their support is bound to be better with the way things are currently

[rain cave]

this retroactively causes a LOT of balancing and community issues

[deep pawn]

And turn mythic raiding in 18 man of 3 6 man parties

[pulsar minnow]

Preheat had a really good video on this

[rain cave]

I reckon the way to go forward is to have support specs at first not scale as well, just so they can feel out the balance

[deep pawn]

Okay, then they need to convince the others that say support "has to make living easier" when they remove it

[pulsar minnow]

https://youtu.be/vp0ZC6ym9cg?si=Wq4L1_BQAiwiSc3b

[deep pawn]

Not solving the problem, we're already low on charts but we're gonna scale super well so everyone is still bringing it cause it'll scale

[rain cave]

if supports are easier to play due to not having to worry about meters and acting as force multiplies

they can be methods to bring newer players along with use

e.g. "hey man do you want to come to our raid, we could use the support role"

as a way of allowing people with lower ilvl to get into groups and still be of use

just means that when they get the gear, that doesn't scale as much in their support spec

but they're still useful regardless

idk

it's a complicated issue

I do think people overthink it though

since if supports are strong, everyone will want one sure. But because they don't stack, it just means you have to find someone to play it which shouldn't be hard if it's strong

but yeah the main thing should be if its fun and relatively in balance numerically

[subtle oar]

Totally not clickbait

[rain cave]

because for 99% of the population, it doesn't really affect them much

it just disrupts high end mythic shit

[pulsar minnow]

If you watch the video…

[deep pawn]

Well right now aug is starting low and is gonna scale back to being op by 489

[pulsar minnow]

Preheat is the guide writer for both Aug and Devastation. Everything he says in this video sums up my experience as a Dev Evoker main

He knows what he’s talking about lmao

Don’t know why you’re laughing at this but, you’re free to judge things based on their cover rather than actually judge them on what they say

Point is, with the problem Aug presents to its own class, adding more supports just makes this problem reach more classes. Because as it stands now, they dont know how to balance Aug.

[vernal juniper]

usually, they say, ptr will be available for testing during the week. (and goes online in the same day)
Not this time.

[deep pawn]

if it's coming up they'll say it on twitter

[deep pawn]

they've made it subpar dps at it's current ilvl but it still provides a ton of defensive utility, and scales well so it's still in every kill

[dense plover]

they literally said it would be available this week

it probably will be today

its too early right now

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah and the defensive utility is wack for a DPS spec. I get they want it as a support but cmon

If it’s in the DPS category, giving it those other abilities isn’t gonna be balanced

[vernal juniper]

where is it wrote? I must have missed it

[dense plover]

literally #latest-news my guy

[vernal juniper]

👍

[dense plover]

itll be today

[vernal juniper]

I've seen only tge website

ty

[dense plover]

i hope they make gilneas an actual capital city

[harsh mason]

From Decatriarch Wratheye

[austere gazelle]

Based on the last titan plotline and given that fel is the weakness of the titans, a red fiery spec called titan hunter could be a thing , if we got a third spec

[upper pasture]

Still seems pretty farfetched tbh

[dense plover]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/c/in-development/seeds-of-renewal-ptr-discussion/301

ptr discussion is up

ptr soon™️

[thin warren]

coolio!

[austere gazelle]

What is " Dragonflight follower dungeons " ? new dungeons with IA NPC ?

or a delves like feature ?

[thin warren]

yep, so it seems, so you can do a dungeon on your own with 4 npc's

only normal dungeons tough

[austere gazelle]

Mmm so we will have a fated 10.3 then

unless they plan on doing 10.2.5 10.2.6 10.2.7 etc

[deep pawn]

duty support

2.5, 2.7, 2.9 is my guess

[austere gazelle]

I think we'll have more than three patch to close the gap before 11.0 release though

We're talking about a full year gap, and if they follow their dev cycle, we got more than three patches in a year

[silent urchin]

3 patches + extended pre-patch takes us pretty clsoe to fall

[austere gazelle]

We'll see. I think we'll end up on a 10.3 with several content made with Fated raid and M+, and this will be the last patch before 11.0

[deep pawn]

they said 3 more patches before prepatch

they won't be able to sell a 10.3 with no new raid and they know it

[austere gazelle]

there is nothing to sell, its fated anyway

[deep pawn]

exactly

so fated will be 10.2.9

[silent urchin]

10.2.7.5

[warm topaz]

in that case it would be 10.2.9

[harsh mason]

They used to do this, for example, in cataclysm or pandaria

patches 4.1 and 5.1 were without raid tiers

[deep pawn]

Indeed

They said starting in WoD that was a mistake

x.x patches carry a certain level of expectations now

[harsh mason]

Well, yes, it is obvious that they will fit all the last 3 patches within the framework of 10.2

[austere gazelle]

anyway this 10.2.5 will probably be released around februrary anyway...

Revamping love is in the air is omnious telling

[harsh mason]

Traitor's Rest -this is where?

Azerothian Archives
Discover the history of the Dragon Isles and meet a unique cast of characters, hear stories of old, and witness the iconography of a time before. Participate in Solo and Group activities within Traitor’s Rest with a Weekly Public Event, plenty of opportunity to explore, and earn rewards like Battle Pets, Mounts, and a Transmog set.

Wowpedia writes that this is the place where the skeleton of a two-headed dragon lies🤔

[silent urchin]

It's in south west azure span

I think there's one wq there

and that one birb rare that drops a mount

[deep pawn]

January

8-10 weeks

[silent urchin]

I'd guess a bit longer over christmas, probably mid-late jan

[deep pawn]

8 weeks is January 2, any Tuesday after that one is fair game

[silent urchin]

I'm gonna go with 23rd

[deep pawn]

I'm thinking 9th

[glass flicker]

I'm thinking late January.

Why else would they announce something about Love is in the Air?

[deep pawn]

They said every 8 weeks, maybe move a couple for holidays, so 1/9-1/23 is the 3 week window

since 1/9 is 9 weeks out

We're gonna have a patch in January, March, and May

[harsh mason]

This only means that the patch will be released before the start of this event and that the patch contains something new for this

[uncut lintel]

@glass flicker youre the new raid boss

[glass flicker]

Oh no!

Wait, why tho?

[worn crown]

I do hope that after Dragonriding is available everywhere, Blizz makes it work on older drakes and proto-drakes models soon.
I mean, I SUPPOSE, it shouldn't be too hard of a rigging and animation problem.
There's so many other dragons I wanna use as mounts instead of only the DF ones 🙂

[warm topaz]

someone correct me if im wrong but all of those ones will be available on TWW

i don't know if literally all but even Invincible can so

[dense plover]

the plan is nearly all if not all eventually

but theyre also clearly moving towards fewer, highly customizable mounts

which honestly, im here for

the new gryphon is sick af

[warm topaz]

the Delves mount is crazy

[dense plover]

for sure

mythic+ seasons need something like that

but idk how they would do that

maybe one customization for +10, another for +15?

[deep pawn]

they said 11.0 or so

[dense plover]

or 2 M+ score milestones?

[warm topaz]

they said on a interview that they want to have a flying mount on M+

like with dynamic flight

[dense plover]

yeah - maybe they could do an exclusive flying mount

like how delves are getting one

if they do that, i hope it is available through legacy content once we move out of the patch

[warm topaz]

you guys saw the archivements customization on the 10.2.5 thing?

[dense plover]

?

[warm topaz]

curious to see what that is

[dense plover]

thats not a thing

[dense plover]

i think those are achievements for race unlocks

[warm topaz]

yeah you are right

[dense plover]

or like - character customization achieves

so like - unlock all of X for this race

try all the hair colors for X race

something like that i think

[warm topaz]

it would be cool to have some reward every X achievement points

like something visual on your char

[dense plover]

i dont think we need characters getting over cluttered

[rain cave]

only more hair colors again

😭

happy to have more options just feels weird to market it as "troll customisations" on a patch splash screen

when it's just some recolored hair lmao

[deep pawn]

that's what blood elves got

[rain cave]

ye and was annoying

[warm topaz]

public build inc? 👀

[silent urchin]

no sign of it yet, and it's getting pretty late

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/status/1725298606431780877

maybe is not too late 👀

[silent urchin]

lmao

lets go

[deep pawn]

might be old but I dunno

[silent urchin]

it's the new build

[deep pawn]

ah

[deep pawn]

taking forever to initialize for me

[silent urchin]

the tweet is the same cdn the client looks at

yeah that step is getting longer and longer

I don't know exactly how it works, but I think it's differential patching. You download a list of all file sizes/checksums/versions or whatever, it checks every file you have, then downloads whats missing. So it's gonna be a lot of file operations

and apparently a 500MB list of versions

oh, servers are up

outland cup is up for testing

[deep pawn]

nice

we have notes

DRACTHYR
New Passive Ability: Empowered Soaring – Soar is now equivalent to dragonriding, granting access to vigor and all dragonriding abilities.
New Passive Ability: Expedited Takeoff – Soar’s cooldown is reduced to 10 seconds.
Developers’ note: Soar dragonriding will become available after learning dragonriding on the account and the Evoker has completed the Forbidden Reach starting experience.
Familiar Skies (Racial) has been removed.

[silent urchin]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/seeds-of-renewal-ptr-development-notes/1713534/1

[silent urchin]

Developers’ note: Reclaiming Gilneas won’t be available for testing on the PTR.``` damn

[warm topaz]

FINALLY

[silent urchin]

So they're no longer covenant themed?

[warm topaz]

nope

[silent urchin]

traitor's rest stuff doesn't really seem to be in

3 NPCs (cubes) with no quest and that uh.. dev button

actually 4 of them

New rewards available for purchase with Riders of Azeroth Badges: Drake Racer’s Scarf, finally we get the damned scarf

[warm topaz]

man, dragonriding with dracthyr is cool af

[silent urchin]

follower dungeons seem neat

you get a button to tell the tank to pull

regular party frames

they seem to pretty much be able to do it without you

although you do have to at least follow them around or they stop

ranged like to climb walls

They can kill bosses without you

they kinda don't do mechanics that are more than kill adds, but it's normal so that doesn't matter

Prototype Dynamic Ground Mount [DNT] 👀

amirdrassil has a regular world map

apparently the makings of an elf settlement too

I haven't killed fyrakk yet on live so dunno if this is the same

damn got explorer gear from the follower dungeon

which I guess is just what normal mode gives now

[deep pawn]

it already did

like that's live on retail now

[silent urchin]

I wasn't sure about the map and new buildings

although I get ported out when I try to fly there so can't explore properly

about the best screenshot I could get

[deep pawn]

did you do the quest?

Let me go see if anything's changed

[silent urchin]

no, haven';t done the quest

where the eye of ysera was

and the raid entrance

[deep pawn]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1132328.jpg?maxWidth=800

okay, so Amirdrassil is blocked even if you've done it on live

[deep pawn]

current Amidrassil

so the docks and buildings are new

[uncut lintel]

so how do we get the fox mount

is it valentines cuz it has a heart

:not

i need it*

i cant live without

it

[deep pawn]

wanna know what you really want?

FAERIE WINGS

[uncut lintel]

oh

...my

...SPINNING

GOOAWD

[deep pawn]

course they sit horrible on male belf frames

[uncut lintel]

actual u guys im dead, this future patch killed me, its so good, please give me these items at my funeral

[silent urchin]

the pink friendship one seems like love is in the air

[silent urchin]

the others maybe not

[deep pawn]

Reno has a hat we can get

[uncut lintel]

I WANT THAT ONE BUT I JUST HOPE ITS NOT A STUPID RARE DROP

[deep pawn]

a bunch of new rose in mouth colors

[uncut lintel]

how do we get the mouse

[silent urchin]

hearthstone anniversary event, I assume

[uncut lintel]

but isnt the disk from that

[silent urchin]

there can be more than one thing

10th anniversary of hearthstone is 11th march

[uncut lintel]

sorry im not used to thsi new blizzard

[silent urchin]

so sometime around then

[deep pawn]

KITTY

[silent urchin]

I'm sorry in advance

[deep pawn]

it's glorious

dreadlord sets added

[uncut lintel]

okay i get it now, i bet its a store bundle

with the mount

[deep pawn]

GIVE ME RIGHT DAMN NOW

GIVE IT TO ME

[uncut lintel]

HAT

I NEED THAT ONE

WITH THE PIN KFOX

[silent urchin]

not sure if that's meant to be white or if it's unfinished textures

[uncut lintel]

MAN I SHOULD OF SAVED MY TRADING POST TENDERS

T - T

I BET ITS TRAIDING POST

[upper pasture]

Could be TP stuff

[silent urchin]

.. I cancelled that image cause kyle beat me

meh

[uncut lintel]

im gonna have to go look for commision

D:

[silent urchin]

blue one as well

[uncut lintel]

fml

i wish i could refund all my stuff i got this month

i regret big

[deep pawn]

the bow is pretty, it's tied to the pants though not the belt

[uncut lintel]

T - T i really want the pink one

[upper pasture]

Well you have a few months of TT to save up until probably February

[uncut lintel]

true

i just wont buy anything expensive

[deep pawn]

my hoarding pays off I am sitting on like 3k

[uncut lintel]

unless i really want it

can i ahve some

[deep pawn]

Assuming these aren't like completion rewards

[uncut lintel]

fr

and i like how its still a skirt on the men

and not changd into pants

ima make so many good mogs

https://www.wowhead.com/news/love-is-in-the-air-transmog-trading-post-rewards-coming-in-2024-336206?webhook

omg

SAVE UP YOUR TENDIES GUYS

[deep pawn]

hell yeah

[uncut lintel]

litearlly i want everything from this wtf

well except the bows

i dont paly hunter

[little hound]

I will go full SAilor Moon in every raid.

[uncut lintel]

FORREAL

SCREW ANYTHING ELSE UNLESS ITS SPECTRAL TIGER

IM GETTING THAT LOVE STUFF

[dense plover]

this is certainly interesting

seems to imply theyre working on dynamic ground mounts as well

which i think is a great idea

[little hound]

Yeah, I want mounts that can speed up and jump higher.

[uncut lintel]

having GW2 style ground moutsn would absolute kill me i n happiness even if they are not meant for damage just the animations D:

[uncut lintel]

they would not feel so dull to flying mounts and it woudl be great

[deep pawn]

from a systems perspective this is nice

[uncut lintel]

ground mounts need more appreciation, theres so many good models

[deep pawn]

trading post sorts now

[uncut lintel]

: o

[dense plover]

oh that IS nice

im glad they list that explicitly

[uncut lintel]

chromie needs to hurry up and make 2023 go by

mrpeach use your orange powers make time go faster

[deep pawn]

They need to add more tiaras

[dense plover]

IT WORKS

I CAN COPY AGAIN

[uncut lintel]

pog

[dense plover]

flagged my name for some reason but idc

[deep pawn]

with a cost of 999 I'm assuming the pink set at least is completion reward

[dense plover]

is the azerothian archives stuff not testable?

[deep pawn]

I don't think so but it has a new Reno hat

[dense plover]

fyi ptr spoils the consequences of the raid

[deep pawn]

you mean the questline that's already live?

[dense plover]

so really only the testable stuff is dragonflight in the old world and outland cup?

[deep pawn]

Like we're already comparing live Amirdrassil and ptr version

[dense plover]

yes but if you havent done the raid

its still phased

like silithus with the sword

[deep pawn]

yeah, you can't explore the ptr version but they've added docks and buildings

[dense plover]

oh

ok

so its GONNA be explorable

cool

can i make my computer explode flying through suramar at max speed?

[deep pawn]

yeah, there's a ton of quests that take place there now in 10.2

Well, big quests

[pulsar minnow]

This icon is named "Inv_armor_shouldercape"... They're not doing what I think they're doing are they?

[subtle oar]

PTR is up?

[deep pawn]

they are

I don't recall if I took a pic

I didn't

[subtle oar]

Can you test Dynamic Flying in the old world in this build?

[deep pawn]

yeah, I used it in stormwind

[subtle oar]

~>

Have you tried using non Dragonflight dragons?

Like, idk, Cloud Serpents? <~<

[deep pawn]

let me see if I can get someone on ptr to link it

[deep pawn]

they are shoulder slots and they're just sorta 3d shoulders

new banner

view around the moonwell

night fae alcove is still there

Malorne lodge

the watchtower is gorgeous, the water flows

[dense plover]

outland cup races are awesome

[deep pawn]

nother view of the docks

I am not ready for how much crap the asmon fanboys will give the new cosmetics

[uncut lintel]

LOL

mg dude @deep pawn its gonna be great valentines joly crap mg i ant do l i a waht do i doo TOO MUCH HYYYP

[deep pawn]

this gives Auction house vibes

[uncut lintel]

[deep pawn]

Leaning into those Shinto vibes

it might be the new temple of elune

[uncut lintel]

T - T my druid

finally has

home

[deep pawn]

New flight path, basically the same spot it is in the Central encampment

[upper pasture]

Sylvanas is going to be so pissed to see this weed when she gets out of the shadowlands

[uncut lintel]

i hope she doesnt burn it

[upper pasture]

You know she wants to, deep down. She wants it to burn

[uncut lintel]

i wish they didnt turn her blue

shes not even hot as blue

blue is only good on already not hot characters

[dense plover]

i hope this is an actual city

so Nelves have a capital again

[uncut lintel]

wait

so this might be nelf city

and since gilneas might be taken back

worgens might have city agani < . <?

[deep pawn]

It's not as big as Darnassus but it's nice

They can build upon it in future patches

[uncut lintel]

yea its really nice

[uncut lintel]

does the tree constantly grow or stays at one size lore wise?

[dense plover]

gonna see if i can complete a quest in the follower dungeon

[deep pawn]

the tree won't be growing, but I mean add more buildings

[uncut lintel]

oo

yes

put dalaran over the tree

[dense plover]

dungeon assistance if you dont want to lead

hunter, shaman, druid, mage - mage uses the food table

this is algethar academy so shuja's response is targeted

npcs explaining the dungeon too

[deep pawn]

I'll for sure be doing each dungeon in TWW with AI if it has lore or anything

they'll break you out of spears in Neltharus

cool

[winged dagger]

i meen course they'd want to. it literally just makes sense

[deep pawn]

you can do quests while in AI

[dense plover]

gear from these dungeons is decent

explorer level 415s

i got a 3/8 explorer item

[deep pawn]

😄

They can die though

had healer and hunter die on forgemaster

paladin tank can rez

but no brez

[dense plover]

ai can throw the balls

[dense plover]

yep

its a solid system

needs some tweaks

i wish the lines were voiced

[deep pawn]

yeah

[dense plover]

i worry a lot of people will miss them if they arent

[deep pawn]

I do think they may need to adjust the bad luck some to ensure you get at least one piece

I got 0

[dense plover]

i got 3 pieces my guy

i think its fine

[subtle oar]

Am sad I couldnt use any regular flying mounts with Dynamic flying. I guess that wont be til 11.0

[novel zodiac]

a friend of main just said that xal'atath (the dagger) has new whispers

[dense plover]

prepatch yeah

[novel zodiac]

someone saw something about it?

[dense plover]

i am sad that its 80%

its still very fast'

but its clearly noticable

new races are good except the netherstorm ones which imo are too long

theyre both longer than ALL of the other outland races

not much else to test right now

but whats there feels good

[deep pawn]

it's typical personal loot

they can normalize it some

[dense plover]

i could see them guaranteeing a piece from the last boss

that would probably satisfy most people

[deep pawn]

me too probably

just not 0

[deep pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-over-shoulder-cape-model-datamined-in-patch-10-2-5-336209 here ya go

[warm topaz]

im realy really curious on how they developed that AI feature

[winged dagger]

subscription money

[deep pawn]

I'm sure there's articles from Island Expedition days

seems to be similar tech

[vernal juniper]

whats happening with pandaria

[harsh mason]

They look like Pawns from Dragons dogma

Perhaps they are smarter than some people who meet in the dungeons

[vernal juniper]

I find interesting to ban the bots and let people play with blizzard bots, just my 2 cents

[subtle oar]

??owo

[vernal juniper]

a lot of new items

@subtle oar

some are renamed but others are new

[subtle oar]

OwO

From Pandaria?!

[vernal juniper]

looks like

[subtle oar]

Link!

[vernal juniper]

https://ptr.wowdb.com/items?filter-patch=52206

[silent urchin]

I have a feeling it's for something new, like a hardcore league style thing

[tropic trail]

two new love is in the air achievements - seems to be a new feature for love is in the air called the gala of gifts?

[silent urchin]

lots of strange buff items and permanent stat increases

[cosmic beacon]

im sure rextroy wont abuse the 50% of overhealing converts to damage

[silent urchin]

Updated description as well, but not really clear what it is

[tropic trail]

new NPCs in gilneas
greymane manor they appear to be unpacking? (cant remember if the bags were there in the starting area when you leave greymane manor)
NPC lets you remove all NPCs from the are for RP purposes

hayward's are back (with dialogue options that aren't working)

innkeeper in stormglen village

[silent urchin]

There's an inn in valdrakken that has a similar "private phase" thing, neat that it's going to more areas

[tropic trail]

these two NPCs are in the blackwald, i can't remember who they are - i'm pretty sure they played a part in the "calming the curse" part

light's dawn cathedral now has pews in it

well, this is interesting...

tobias mistmantle is back on top of the prison

might just be a bug but these windows keep flashing blue?

emberstone village

[silent urchin]

the flashing window is there in current gilneas too

just someone having a private rave

[tropic trail]

ah

marie allen, general goods vendor is in emberstone village too

[tropic trail]

horde and alliance presence is gone, on live you've got the alliance camps around the cathedral and the blight machines - they're gone on the PTR

same with the alliance submarine

[tropic trail]

is anyone doing dungeons in the ptr i am trying to level but i cant get into a dungeon in ptr

[tropic trail]

new gilnean guard in stormwind

[crystal pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=207698/neltharion-agent
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=208202/neltharion-agent-instructions

Wtf?

At first i was thinking that its reused npc but no, its a new npc

[uncut lintel]

I CANT

I CANT WAIT FOR VALENTINES

okay srry needed to say that bye

[ember blaze]

Those wing mogs

We still need wings as mounts…

Time to make another forum post about it.

[subtle oar]

Lunar Festival

Special armor for the DF noodle

[uncut lintel]

i know

but its probs gonna be annoying to get

or cost 4000k

[dense plover]

It’s gonna be 50k like all the others or it will cost lunar coins

[uncut lintel]

id gladly buy noodle armor for 50k but idk if i can use it without the renown armor thing

[subtle oar]

It is it's own thing

[uncut lintel]

o-o

is it?

i dont need lvl 20 renown?

[subtle oar]

Yee

That only unlock those armors

[uncut lintel]

oh

i hope so

i wanna use that armor on white scales

[harsh mason]

For Azerothian archives most likely

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Zorbrix/status/1725664170908295382?t=ULLhjZ0YbOXryT3YjZ890A&s=33

huge things coming out on next patches

[uncut lintel]

what is that

[deep pawn]

He's teasing things that are coming before 11.0 but weren't announced at Blizzcon

[ember blaze]

hopefully more support specs

[rain cave]

nah bro

they'd announce that at blizzcon as an expansion feature for sure

or atleast in a QnA panel

I don't see the marketing sense in dropping new specs in at the end of DF, having to make tier set bonuses for all 3 tiers for them, without announcing it beforehand and maaking it a surprise with limited testing

[uncut vault]

I mean they did that with augmentation in fairness :P

I don't think they'll do it now but

it's not impossible anymore

[rain cave]

aye but there was a lot less backlog to that

made more sense at the time and context

I think the main stickler is having to add all the tier sets retroactively and also how it won't be marketed as a new xpac feature

and also new specs would increase hero talent workload

[jade basalt]

Do they need to give them all tier sets?

Could just give it a 10.2 tier set

[deep pawn]

any other expac ai dungeons would be a blizzcon feature

[uncut vault]

for fated season, theoretically

but for augmentation they just did basic "buffs by 10%" damage bits

and they could also just make it all the same one tier

[cosmic beacon]

Hopefully not

[naive hawk]

That's what healers are for

[rain cave]

Ai dungeons directly plug into delves

As a feature

[rain cave]

I'm in favour of more support specs but I'm wary of how they'd stack

Like yeah they nerfed all Aug comps

But what if you add a shaman, a mage

Would they have a different buff? Or would their core buffs be standardised so they don't stack like lust

If so does that limit the scope for how these specs can play?

Since they'd all revolve around spamming an ability to keep a buff up

If they ever did more I think they should get more exploratory again imo

Just means we can find new problems to solve instead of wondering how 2 similar specs would coexist in that niche

[cosmic beacon]

I’m not against supports for how terribly tuned Aug has been, I’m against them for the fact plenty of specs still have a lot of talent issues that are yet to be addressed and just announcing or making more specs is the last thing they should be doing till they stop making specs feel terrible to play

[rain cave]

True

[cosmic beacon]

But also ye Aug has been terribly tuned and even if they have learned and are fixing the spec I doubt that’ll hold over into a new spec if they change the support mechanics

But ye mechanics like dnd for frost dk that feel extremely bad to play, 90% of survivals tree being 5-10% damage increases or even how basic some specs like dev are when they could be better fleshed out

I’d be very upset if they just announced another support or any new spec without fixing the classes that are already in the game

[austere gazelle]

Look at the dps ranking. The top 100 is thrusted by Aug.... /

( on warcraft logs )

[rain cave]

that will always happen with a support spec

doesn't mean its bad

but yeah it's the same logic as classes having buffs

all the top parsing DPS will have other classes buffs

because they increase dps

[austere gazelle]

do we know when they'll fix the memory leaks ? is there an ETA? xD

[rain cave]

memory leaks?

[silent urchin]

it's got a nasty memory leak on the mac client atm

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/memory-leak/1704639/17

[austere gazelle]

not only on mac. My game crash often since the last update, the longer the game is opened, the worse it get. sometime the graphic engine just restart itself

[worn crown]

About DnD and Frost DK, I don't think it is "bad" by any means; in fact I think it is great to have a purpose to use DnD in Frost, as it is an iconic skill of DKs since WCIII.
And with 2H, it is a joy to see Oblit with a KM proc take a a chunk of HP of 3 enemies at once (in PvE at least; since I don't PvP).

Though, there are other issues I'd like to see adressed.

[rain cave]

didn't even know there was a mac client lmao

[rain cave]

DnD?

oh death and decay

I see Death and decay as a core DK ability, feels right to have it for all. Even if it doesn't necessarily interact with the kit much

that being said I would like to see more talents that allow people to transform those core class abilities into more thematic things for their spec

though hero talents are probably that to some degree

like I could see deathbringer hero talent tree having something to do with death and decay lmao, like raising some zombies or something

[silent urchin]

guessing the "rainbow" theme stuff is for orphan week, they have a "Kid-made" vibe to them

not sure about the masquerade stuff though

maybe it's trial of style?

[rain cave]

could be, or perhaps a new darkmoon fair thing?

though makes sense for trial of style

[warm topaz]

i think they will revamp darkmoon fair

or update it visually

[rain cave]

trial of style will need a new place to be

so maybe they'll combine them? ;p

or it takes place at the faire

[warm topaz]

yep, now its a good time to revisit those events

[rain cave]

but yeah at some point in the next xpac it will have to change places

or at least get an update

because midnight's going to be revamping quel'thalas and it would be weird to be having a fashion show while xalatath is bombarding the city with void armies

And since the ethereals will probably be finished analysing us by then as well

[cosmic beacon]

idk personally it feels terrible relying on a small ground aoe to do any cleave when practically every other spec doesnt have to deal with any sort of annoying mechanic

especially in an m+ environment

where tanks have to constantly move, mechanics and affixes constantly make it so ur cleave doesnt exist

im not a class designer but making the cleave tied to abilities like remorless would be alot more enjoyable

arms gets sweeping strikes, enh gets cleave from crash lightning, outlaw gets blade flurry etc etc

[warm topaz]

it is clear that DKs need a rework like the Rogue o or Pala ones

[cosmic beacon]

[rain cave]

I mean, frost has frostscythe, I think that should be their AOE

[cosmic beacon]

frost scythe is just a builder since it replaces frost strike

[rain cave]

or if you want specific number of target cleave, bring back the floating rune weapons stuff from legion

[rain cave]

it's an obliterate replacement?

[cosmic beacon]

nope

[rain cave]

but it gets killing machine

and extra crit dmg

but yeah w/e how do peeps feel about frost getting floating rune weapon stuff again and that being their cleave

where it mimicks

[cosmic beacon]

it costs a rune

[rain cave]

yeah like obliterate

not frost strike

[cosmic beacon]

ig im just dumb

still terrible ability thats not been used since forever