beta-ptr-spoilers

[upper pasture]

I’m amazing, I’ve not had time to actually look at the panels since being at the con was a whole different experience. I’m still on that post con high. I will say on the surface level I’ve very excited for everything. That goes for HS/D4/rumble too.

[warm topaz]

oh you were there!!

how was it?

[upper pasture]

Oh, it was crazy! I ran into so many devs (Ion 3 times) of course didn’t get to talk long but it was truly something else to have little bits of conversations with them, missed Chris by like 5 mins but I’ll live. Met so many influencers and even got to met some of liquid but there were things going on so didn’t get a photo with max but met Driney. Lines were long but that’s to be expected. (I’m informally trained by Disney so I wasn’t phased) I also met Annie! Which as a achievement Hunter it was pretty much a highlight of the con

As I mentioned in another channel the community was very very friendly and only ran into one person who was looking to spoil the mood so it was very refreshing to see everyone just celebrating the things they enjoy about the game rather than complaining about the stuff they hate. If you ever have the opportunity to go I’d say take it. I know I’ll be planning on attending for the foreseeable future

I’m also 99% sure I was eating food next to some wowhead people but I didn’t want to ask them since we were just resting and eating lol

[warm topaz]

sounds great man

[dense plover]

do you guys find it odd that alleria is named a 'void hunter' but that isnt one of the hero specs?

[errant prairie]

Yeah, i just assumed it was just miscommunication with their teams but maybe its their way to say she's not just a 'ranger' anymore.

[rain cave]

I mean they probably just had to name it dark ranger because of the brownie points

[tulip sun]

I saw that new...title.

[rain cave]

But calling her a dark ranger would be confusing

[tulip sun]

Was a bit odd

[rain cave]

Maybe we'll get glyphs to turn dark ranger stuff into void ranger

I love how vereesa is just.. chilling

No cosmic power

No massive world saving arc

She's just vibing as a normal plain hunter

Reminiscing about rhonin

If that was the name

[tulip sun]

Yet.

[rain cave]

There will probably be a massive Windrunner reunion in midnight

[dense plover]

OR

here me out

Void Hunter is the next class or a subspec of the next class

currently, only two specs do anything significant with void magic

shadow priest, and destro warlock (kinda)

i would argue that shadow priest is really the only class to make significant use of void magic

we are overdue for more void magic stuff

[deep pawn]

Vereesa's children should be about the same age as Dagran no?

[errant prairie]

Pretty sure they are older

[upper pasture]

The only thing I’d say about “void Hunter” being added as a new class seems to me we’d have a lot of Hunter classes that quite literally use that word so I’m leaning on the no side

[rain cave]

Maybe they just introduce more hero talents

To pull classes in a direction

Anduin becoming a mixed more shadowy paladin like a disc priest equivalent

Give em a hero talent tree for that

[gloomy sleet]

hero talent, sure! would be nice for my velf hunter, but it seems like it would take too much from hunter/dark ranger and maybe spriest

[rain cave]

Give mages something cosmic voidy

[upper pasture]

Hero talents would make sense but a whole new class being “void Hunter” just doesn’t seem like it’s likely

[rain cave]

Like xalataths version of the mages orbs

Shadow priest leaning more to old god

Mages leaning more to cold bare void

Gloomy

But yeah depending on how things go maybe hero talents are how they'll do new classes going forward

Since more classes now would be crazy

Hero talents mean you have a base to work from, no worry about having to make everything unique

And no tier set

They just plug in to a current class

[tulip sun]

At least upper teens

So theyre very possible to appear

[deep pawn]

Sunfury is almost certainly going to have Verdant Orbs as a way to empower spells

[novel zodiac]

Do you guys think that RFW raiders will get to renown 18 with the Dream Wardens in 1 week to buy the permanent augment rune?

like, is it possible?

[molten niche]

it was only possible with the emerald dream bs buff but it got nerfed lol

[novel zodiac]

great

i have like 600 runes but they're too cheap to sell rn

i hope they go up to 3k like at the start of s2 lol

[molten niche]

it says excludes dream warden rep now so theres that

[dense plover]

it was the right choice tbh

they can just re-enable that later

[tulip sun]

I love the chapter 5 bit!

Excited to see who else shows up

[upper pasture]

i hope you mean season 3

[novel zodiac]

i meant that for season 2 the runes went up to 3/3.5k

[upper pasture]

ohhh i didn't see "like" lol

[silent urchin]

RFW raiders won't even get like rank 2 renown. the rune cost is fairly minor to them, they likely already have thousands stockpiled

[novel zodiac]

oh yeah, makes sense

[upper pasture]

idk i dont see it raising too much since people know reuseable runes are coming. at least i know i'm not buying any anymore

but yeah any mythic pushing guild likely has enough stockpiled that they wont have to worry about it

[upper pasture]

you don't remember dirt gang meme? if it's gonna give them an edge they are going to do it for sure

[silent urchin]

it doesn't give power tho, just saves money

[upper pasture]

ah, is it the same stats as the old one?

[silent urchin]

Should be, yeah

[harsh mason]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/guardians-of-the-dream-patch-10-2-campaign-chapter-5-a-dream-of-fields-and-fire-335954

There's literally everything lol, even Velen

[plain violet]

https://tenor.com/view/super-smash-bros-ultimate-everyone-is-here-gif-17099121

[deep pawn]

So looking back, Towellie was the biggest leaker eh?

He kept saying underground and Nerubian

no wonder he was forced to delete things

[ember blaze]

did he delete the tinker post?

[deep pawn]

I just know he had to delete his underground posts

[ember blaze]

if the tinker post gone, tinker confirmed

[deep pawn]

I don't follow his stuff to know for sure

[crystal pond]

Fyrakk better do something really stupid and crazy

Raid cinematic has to be so pog if everyone is here

Disappointment if not

[lone mantle]

He has committed a foolish act by venturing into the sacred realm of the Emerald Dream.

[silent urchin]

People have been predicting a nerubian expansion since wrath

[tropic trail]

Hope it’s not just about nerubians.

[upper lantern]

It won't. Nerubians just look like the main antagonists for the first patch like the klaxxi were in MoP

[harsh mason]

The last time this happened was during the siege of orgrimmar. Even in bigger battles, like argus or jailer, there was no such thing, lol

[crystal pond]

???
How about sargeras stabing azeroth?

[harsh wedge]

You have a possible patch with light (in Harrowfall), and being a (mostly) underground expansion, you can have almost anything with a path opening to another cavern

[tropic trail]

Yea, it seems like cool expansion.

[harsh wedge]

I'm glad they can finally have a big nerubian zone underground as they had planned for Wrath, but did not have the tech for it at the time

[harsh mason]

I don't remember that in the story on argus (in the location) was at least someone besides Velen and Illidan (I don't take into account T and A)

[crystal pond]

What? Wdym?

[rain cave]

First patch nerubians, 2nd patch addressing the Harrowfall crystal perhaps

3rd patch following the earthens titan hallway to the planets core?

Then that leads us in to midnight after we defend the world soul from xalatath so she goes to call in help

Then midnight could be the typical 2nd chapter of "we get beaten" in some way so the titans show up

[blazing granite]

Or we do beat them but the World Soul is no longer purely Order-aligned, so the Titans are called by the Keepers

[tulip sun]

I hope it is just literally every single leader lol

[harsh mason]

The leaders and all those who played an important role in the DF storylines. Yes, the niffens too

In fact, this is about how it was in the final of warcraft 3

[austere gazelle]

Or the Light turns against us after we beat the void, and try to control the World Soul

After all, we saw X'era. We're useful fool and when they're done either we're lightforged by force or we'll end up in light crystal stasis

[rain cave]

true true

[tulip sun]

Even ones that havnt appeared

Velen, Turalyon are confirmed

Jaina and thrall

Probably others

Rokhan, Chen and rexxar

[harsh mason]

Quote from wowhead: The next quests focus on dispatching the Druids of the Flame, with one quest in specific requiring you to empower the characters that previously appeared on the Endgame cutscene. Many interesting pairings are seen such as Chromie and Eternus, Chen Stormstout/Rokhan/Rexxar, Turalyon and Velen, all remaining Dracthyr Scalecommanders, Wrathion and Sabellian, all the leaders of the Maruuk Centaur, Iskaara Tuskarr and the Loamm Niffen, among others.

[rain cave]

can't wait for the niffen to be our saviours in last titan

[tulip sun]

yeah

So probably a lot other leaders. They don't even name Jaina and Thrall

[autumn dagger]

they said in another artcle that they'd show up

and maybe it was fake but there was dialogue between jaina, thrall and tyrande

[tulip sun]

The wow wiki people took a picture during the demo

Its real

So that tells me a lot of more people probably came that wowhead doesn't wanna list v.v

Probably to keep some surprises

[tulip sun]

Who said they'd show up?

[autumn dagger]

wowhead i think?? if not I mixed it up w the screenshow mb

[warm topaz]

is @lone mantle still on Azeroth? or he left on WOTLK?

we saw him on Legion right?

[lone mantle]

I am still present, mortal.

[tulip sun]

Ah, ok. Wowhead has the list you posted, then we have the screenshot

And thats all we have for confirmation of who is there

[lone mantle]

Should you wish to commune with me within the realm of the Dragon Isles, I await your arrival at Eclipse Lake.

[deep pawn]

https://wccftech.com/world-of-warcraft-the-war-within-q-were-already-building-midnight-zones/

Another interview.

This one has some interesting answers about patch cadence next year and maybe something coming soon that helps tanks and healers do stuff solo

[upper pasture]

honestly i'd be surprised if TWW isn't almost finished at this point.

[rain cave]

something interesting is how they talk about zones for midnight already being made

so either -> all the zones for TWW patches are relatively fleshed out in the pipeline

or -> maybe we won't get new zones in TWW patches?

or atleast major ones

perhaps all the story will take place within the scope of the initial zones

[upper pasture]

we are getting zone ins TWW

they showed them off?

[rain cave]

no I mean

like how we had zaralek

as a new zone in 10.1

[ember blaze]

So why no alpha till next year

[upper pasture]

because they want players to play 10.2?

[rain cave]

perhaps they won't flesh out new zones in tww's post launch patches

maybe add and change things ofc

but not like a whole extra full on zone like we've had in DF

e.g. like in MoP we had SoO just changing one of the already established zones

[upper pasture]

i'm pretty sure it's a whole island just of the coast of kalimdor

[rain cave]

nighthold being a buildup/addition of stuff from launch

[upper pasture]

which leads to the underground zones

[rain cave]

so if nerubians are 1st raid, then maybe there's a raid in harrowfall

then maybe ringing depths/isle of dorn

[upper pasture]

hence "the isle of dorn"

[rain cave]

so they don't need to flesh out entire zones for the raids they have planned

hence speeding up patch cadence

[pulsar minnow]

Well that’s because they have two dev teams working on both expansions at once

[rain cave]

because tbf that's how it was before. In Wrath we had all the zones, they didn't really add any as the patches went on

just updated them

same with tbc

[pulsar minnow]

Also it seems like we can very easily get more zones in TWW. There’s seemingly a giant lake in Hallowfall where aquatic creatures attack, along with the nerubians

[rain cave]

ye ik but if they're literally making the zones right now

[upper pasture]

yeah but it's likely with WotLK/TBC they had planned those areas to have those things which is why they were built the way there were and didn't use 90% of the zone

[rain cave]

that's good planning

[rain cave]

oh yeah I'm not saying they won't expand the zones

but zaralek and the dream are entire new zones they had to build up with new sets of environment kits

whereas say they did a raid exploring that lake, or the crystal

those things are already present, so just push the content for that zone outwards in that direction

as opposed to fleshing out a whole new zone JUST for the patch

[upper pasture]

it's almost like they have evolved in how they deliver us content and changed it so everything that gets added doesn't feel the same as before

[rain cave]

well I'm just saying if they're hyper focused on what they want to do, it would be smart to not to add extra zones where it's not needed no?

like zaralek to me feels like a lot of work for not a lot of payoff

they have a zone for a patch, and then it gets largely abandoned

[upper pasture]

i'd suspect they have a plan A and a plan B when it comes to that depending on how the intial launch goes and they see how players react to zones.

[rain cave]

but yeah like they can do it if they want

argus worked well narratively

but even legion didn't really introduce new zones for its other patches

they were already present, just expanded

until argus ofc

[upper pasture]

if players get overly attached to a zone they will likely want to bring us back there if they can make it work

[rain cave]

DF is crazy in the fact that we basically got whole new zones both of the patches

and even a fleshed out minizone in the dracthyr area

[deep pawn]

Most expansions deliver a zone or two

Legion had broken shore and argus

[rain cave]

broken shore wasn't new though

it was ingame since prepatch, part of the launch content

they just updated it

[deep pawn]

It was remade pretty substantially from the intro scenario

[upper pasture]

yeah basically the same a forbidden reach then

[rain cave]

aye

[deep pawn]

Nah, reach just replaced npcs

[rain cave]

they just populated it with the patch content, instead of having to make the whole zone from the ground up

[deep pawn]

Shore they updated the zone since they changed plans on cutting a zone late

[rain cave]

but yeah a lot of earlier Xpacs don't introduce more than 1 maybe 1.5 zones

MoP just had thunder king isle and timeless isle right?

and timeless was like a half zone if I understand correctly

TBC/Wrath the zones were there from the start, they just updated them as patches went on

WoD whilst obv had cut content, even the planned content was 3 raids in launch zones, then updating tannan jungle from the intro to be the final zone

[upper pasture]

ah some clarity on that whole "faster content"

[rain cave]

shadowlands only introduced 1.5 zones, korthia and mortis

[upper pasture]

"Now, Metzen did talk on stage about the team's plan to make World of Warcraft expansions faster. Can you talk a little bit more about that?

Maria Hamilton: I think what he meant by that is we have committed to a cadence with our content releases that is pretty quick. We've been doing about eight weeks to two months-ish pretty consistently."

[rain cave]

so yeah in terms of zones, DF is the title holder I'd say

2.5 zones from less patches overall

[deep pawn]

I'm very curious to see how that 8 week commitment translates to the 10 month gap between 10.2.5 and expansion launch

Are we thinking more minor patches or something?

[upper pasture]

how do you figure? we're getting 10.2 and the raid the week after

[rain cave]

I think they mean once it launches

not from the moment of interview

[deep pawn]

10.2.5 will be on the ptr this week or next week most likely

[upper pasture]

then we will likely get 10.2.5 8 weeks after

[deep pawn]

Early January for 10.2.5

[upper pasture]

then prolly season 4

[rain cave]

they're probably going to try milk the gap between DF and TWW because that buildup gives them as much distance advantage as they can before the content grind starts

[upper pasture]

they've already commiteded to this pacing all through DF

[deep pawn]

That's not what that interview just said though

The dev also hinted at a 2024 roadmap sometime

[upper pasture]

the pacing they are referring to is what we've seen on DF they want to carry it through all until the end of TLT

there's likely a bunch of minor things we've not been included in and like kyle said the roadmap for 2024 will give us an idea of how they are going to keep us engaged between larger patches

[deep pawn]

They were very very quiet about anything 10.2.5-up to 11.0

[upper pasture]

i'd suspect they are keeping it for after the initial hype dies down then they will release the 2024 roadmap

[deep pawn]

Another article came out from blizzardwatch where the same pair expanded upon them using AI for helmets. The goal is for hair to show when it makes sense for it to show!

So hats and stuff

[upper pasture]

prolly 2024 roadmap after RWF or a few months of raid so that people can see how 10.2 ends and then know where we are going next

[deep pawn]

https://blizzardwatch.com/2023/11/06/hair-under-helmets-ai/

[upper pasture]

that's pretty exciting ngl

[deep pawn]

Oh, they changed the title to say might

[silent urchin]

it's still very complicated

[deep pawn]

Yeah, cause hairstyles vary so damn much

Looking at you trolls haha

[silent urchin]

more from a technical level, you'd have to start hiding parts of a mesh, or redesign meshes so there's a million more variations for compatibility

[subtle oar]

God I wanna weae6the shadopan Helm without losing my hair on my pandas

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-excited-gif-20130935

[rain cave]

it depends really

surely they can just set up a system to have both meshes visible at once?

obv you get clipping issues, but it's just a matter of if they think thats acceptable for players to opt in to

[harsh mason]

They said that a couple of days after the release of 10.2. I think Thursday (as it was before)

[deep pawn]

so far they've only said "imminent"

[glass flicker]

Finally, I can cosplay Kung Lao with hair.

[silent urchin]

PTR is always subject to more variability than live patches. It'll go up when a build is ready, either this week or next week

[deep pawn]

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[pulsar minnow]

I’m half convinced/huffing copium we’re getting new race/class combos in 10.2.5

Praying for more shamans

[glass flicker]

10.2.5 is too early. But I think we might get druids soon™ with all the barber shop customization they're getting.

[warm topaz]

wait

and probably some heritage armors too

pandaren please GIMME PANDA

[pulsar minnow]

Who’s still missing heritage anyways? Panda, Troll, Draenei, Dracthyr?

[blazing granite]

They sure put a lot of emphasis on trying to build something lasting and big in terms of the story. That's nice.

[pulsar minnow]

I wouldn’t be surprised honestly

[glass flicker]

This could also be huffing copium, but I think we might get paladins in the next expansion or by the end of The Last Titan.

[pulsar minnow]

I can def see paladins becoming more accessible

I know some say a, for instance, Forsaken Paladin doesn’t make sense

[glass flicker]

Yeah it does.

[pulsar minnow]

But we know as priests using the light gives them immense pain, and that’s metal as fuck

So why not

Forsaken Paladins all the way

[glass flicker]

Sir Zerelek from OG Naxxramas was a DK who used the Light.

Where issue?

[pulsar minnow]

Some see it as an issue. I don’t

I think it’s even cooler to think that these forsaken paladins are sooo committed to their oath that they still call upon the light despite it hurting them to, as Metzen says, “dispense indiscriminate justice”

[glass flicker]

Also, you forgot about the undead Scarlet Crusaders in Stratholme.

Why does nobody bring those up when talking forsaken paladins?

[subtle oar]

YES PLEASE AND PANDAREN DRUIDS!

[warm topaz]

i can live with just pandaren heritage

want to see the turtle again

whats going on with him

[glass flicker]

It's only been nine years since Legion, c'mon.

Nevermind, eight years.

[round bolt]

Not entirely sure if this is the correct channel to post this. I'm returning to retail after a longer break. I'm looking to main a class I never have before. In 10.2, which class is speculated to perform better/be more fun, unholy/frost DK or sub/outlaw rogue?

[warm topaz]

wow-help or retail-wow is a better channel but rogue is reworked for 10.2

you should try it out

[round bolt]

Awesome, thanks! I'll also go ahead and post in one of those channels for some extra feedback.

[deep pawn]

Also DKs get a legendary weapon next season

[harsh mason]

?

[pulsar minnow]

Fyr’alath

[harsh mason]

Ah, lol. I thought that some other weapon

Besides the axe

[pulsar minnow]

I mean it’s a Str legendary weapon so 🤷‍♂️

Honestly the axe is so sick I’m strongly considering rerolling paladin

War Within is gonna be amazing for Paladins but I’m getting into a whole other story

Really curious what version of Fyr Alath will be available for players

Or

[lone mantle]

The path of the Monk is undeniably a pursuit I wish to undertake.

[rain cave]

transmog it as a herald of the sun paladin next xpac

combining the hallowfall and firelands xmogs

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I love the Arathi art style

Been playing an Evoker all expac, it’s fun but I’m really getting sick of the transmog limitations

But dayum that set on the left

[deep pawn]

probably the plate

it's plate, mail, leather, cloth

[rain cave]

mail getting good xmog for once

[upper lantern]

Plate and mail looking great

[deep pawn]

remember concept art doesn't look like in game

[pulsar minnow]

True but these past couple patches the sets do end up looking pretty close to the art

[errant prairie]

And hopefully they will keep at it, personally for me Zaralek and Emerald Dream's mail set have been pretty good

[upper lantern]

Yeah, Zaralek mail and cloth are really good

[tropic trail]

Earthen mage seems cool. Wonder if they released info about their racials

[ember blaze]

Probably another stone form

[subtle oar]

That Mail looks fucking AMAZING!

[glass flicker]

Are we certain it'll be available to players?

'Cause that leather belt, I need it in my life.

[warm topaz]

i have a strong feeling that those are the open world sets

[silent urchin]

seem more like renown sets to me

[glass flicker]

Aren't they a bit too detailed to be open world sets? They kinda stuck to 2D stuff, for the most part.

[rain cave]

Imma be honest I didn't even realize that was concept art

[deep pawn]

Robes never look that good in game

[subtle oar]

??? o.O They do tho

Robes usually look great in-game

[ember blaze]

No they dont

No 3d assets

Look like cones

The new open robe design actually makes them look good

[deep pawn]

So since they have a dedicated "Live" team that doesn't work on expansions they should be able to keep their 2 month cadence in 2023, in fact if they have first week of fall release and are okay with a 2 month prepatch, they can get away with just one extra 10.2.8

If a December expansion they'd need a 10.2.9

[sleek solar]

Pretty sure there will be a 10.3

[upper pasture]

didn't they specifically say no 10.3 in a interview? also it would be a dec launch if things go wrong as the launch date said fall 2024 not winter

[deep pawn]

They said Amirdrassil is the last raid.

They haven't explicitly said no 10.3 but I don't know if they'd gamble making a 10.3 without a new raid

[upper pasture]

i mean, they also said S4 will be fated and with that comes fated raids....so basically they have told us no 10.3

[deep pawn]

They could change it up and make fated be 10.3 but it's a definite gamble after 6.1

[upper pasture]

im willing to bet, 10.2.5 or whatever 10.2.8 will be S4 and no 10.3 since apparently people will lose their minds if we get a patch numbered 10.3 and no "new" raid.

[sleek solar]

Ohhh its fated

Missed that part lol

[upper pasture]

still gonna bet it's 6 months of 10.2 4 months of fated season then a month of prepatch then 11.0

[deep pawn]

I wouldn't be shocked at a 2 month pre-patch and they can play off 11.0.3 or something for launch as content

[austere gazelle]

Guys, remember that they don't have to deliver content till the next expansion since there is classic, cataclysm, and beta on the horizon

Perfectly legit way to make people wait by giving them something they can chew on

( and since now beta is awarded based on your preorder status we can expect a lot more ppl on it anyway )

[deep pawn]

they said they will keep up the 2023 cadence into 2024

[ember blaze]

or they can release content for the game people actually play

[austere gazelle]

I agree, that would be the most neat way, but I fear the classic stuff can be an " excuse " for not delivering content for the next six to twelve months

[austere gazelle]

I don't see how they will do that with only one patch remaining after 10.2. The expansion is set to be released in around one year from now. The last content patch is releasing tomorrow ( or today depending on your area )
100% garanteed that the beta test will mend the gap between 10.2.5 and 11.0

[deep pawn]

All we can go by is them saying the 2023 cadence worked well and they want it to continue and one said "may even have a roadmap soon"

[austere gazelle]

Hope so. Because many people are not thrilled by a fated season

[deep pawn]

Like I said earlier, if they go with a last week of September or early October release they would only need to create one patch extra

It's if the expansion launches in late November that they have to figure out a 2.8 and a 2.9

[austere gazelle]

again they could correct this by adding housing and farm for housing :p Its a very good feature to keep player involved in a game by farming pieces of furnitures and content to have them for a long time

and I hope one of the next expansion slated will have it

[deep pawn]

they said the 12.0 features will stun us

[harsh mason]

I wonder, does it mean that the events in Midnight will be around sunwell, then everything except Quel'Thalas will be captured by Void forces?

They also just said that at Midnight "you will still have Chromie time", which implies that this way we will be able to return to the old locations

[subtle oar]

I wish I could have the half hill farm as a player home and grow current xpac herbs

God, the RP fun I could have

[thin warren]

who needs RP!

[blazing granite]

Tyr after awaking: 👀 Alex, tf happened

[subtle oar]

[subtle oar]

Those Damm Nelf bastards.

[thin warren]

i like how in the one continent you see things that are there now to

[blazing granite]

And Deathwing (Neltharion), aplenty. THAT will be a blow for sure.

[subtle oar]

Deathwing didn't cause the Sundering 😛

That was the Nelves

[tropic trail]

Yeah, poor Tyr.

[harsh mason]

It's very strange that Steve Denuser just disappeared. If I'm not mistaken, his last appearance was in the spring, in an interview. And now he hasn't even made a single mention of an announcement from blizzcon

But in the case of Alex Afrasiabi, there was also a long silence before everyone found out that he hadn't worked in blizzard for long ago

[silent urchin]

He's still there

There's no drama with him other than some invented bullshit by people who don't understand words

[crystal pond]

Probably blizzard just keeping Denuser out of sight to avoid some stuff (to avoid people who will make it a drama when its not a drama)
OR
Irl problems which taking alot of his time (which is more likely)

[harsh mason]

I mean, he even ignored the announcements from blizzcon on his Twitter

Not to mention the fact that he (the narrative director) wasn't even at the blizzcon itself

[crystal pond]

But he is there
He still working in blizzard

[deep pawn]

He was just in the thank you's for the new book

[lone mantle]

I believe that his presence would affect sales.

[pulsar minnow]

I think steve danuser stopped using twitter

I don't blame him since that platform is so insanely toxic and people are for some reason convinced he self-inserted Nathanos as himself (the literal ONLY similarity between the two is that they both have a beard)

[warm topaz]

The amount of threats and insults Steve must have received must be crazy.

[upper pasture]

that's pretty much par for the course nowadays with the internet and all. sadly.

[ember blaze]

Was the samw with golden no?

Though it was weird to see ppl get mad at her for things she didnt even write iirc

Steve is the lead no?

[austere gazelle]

was. he answers to Metzen now. Which is good because he might learn how to do stuff blizzard's way

[rain cave]

I mean the story is still in his hands, he was left with afrasabis mess which impacted SL plus all the other stuff

But who knows. It could be his story teamed with metzens presentation

Not just metzens story that would be crazy

They just present metzen to distance themselves and fit public face

[subtle oar]

Afasiabis mess was BfA. SL was majority Danuser

[silent urchin]

afrasiabi was in charge until june 2020. Shadowlands alpha came out in april, the main story was planned out well before that.

[deep pawn]

Trailer is out

Thrall, Turalyon, and Moira help defend

[harsh mason]

Everything is there, literally

[crystal pond]

https://youtu.be/Bd47jfaTFdQ?feature=shared

Pogs

there is literally everyone

I lost

[warm topaz]

and Velen!

i have missed him

[tulip sun]

i MADE A LIST

Moira, Velen, All Centaur Leaders, Mekkatorque, Toddy & Naleida, Thrall, Jaina, Mayla, Baine, Khadgar, Voss, Rokhan, Rexxar, Lor'themar, Turalyon, and Thalyssra- I don't think I missed anyone in the trailer

And thats just who they showed in the trailer

[harsh mason]

Now it is necessary that Fyrakk be killed by the souls of the nelfs

[crystal pond]

𝚈 𝙴 𝚂

[deep pawn]

he's for sure gonna be wispbombed

[crystal pond]

Endgame cinematic will be empower of the aspects 100%

[deep pawn]

Rokhan and Rexxar make sense if you've done Baine's questline

[crystal pond]

When the raid will be dropped?

Like
When fyrakk will be available?

[deep pawn]

next week

[crystal pond]

[rain cave]

where's millhouse

😭

[plain violet]

I like this.

[crystal pond]

The cube man

https://youtu.be/hZ2LpqMUgHk?feature=shared

Fyrakk is done like ah uh
Cube = lose

NEW WRATHION MODEL

POGERS

[tulip sun]

IS THAT TESS GREYMANE

[silent urchin]

curious who the cube is

[blazing granite]

His full void dragon form, I think

[dense plover]

Ah, they chose not to encrypt the cinematic so it wouldn’t lag

[silent urchin]

nah, the one earlier with rexxar and rokhan

[harsh mason]

Shouldn't Chapter 5 be next week?

Because this is the cutscene from Chapter 5

[crystal pond]

They shuted down the vid 😔

[silent urchin]

maybe replacing it with one without cubes

Note: The first blue box seen is Lilian Voss between Rokhan and Rexxar. The second blue box seen is Fyrakk in Dragon form. lilian didn't have a new model, did she?

(from the news post)

[crystal pond]

No they shuted it down because major spoilers

Cause other two still here and with cubes

[dense plover]

not before

but maybe she is getting one?

i honestly hope so

[silent urchin]

she has a few quests in 10.2 and there wasn't any cube involved

[crystal pond]

Well wrathion finally got updated

After the whole year lmao

[silent urchin]

and wowhead aren't shy about major spoilers

besides, if it's datamineable there are plenty of other places that will post it

[dense plover]

still couldve changed

[harsh mason]

Okay, yes, this is a datamine

[tulip sun]

Voss

Same scene is in the launch trailer

No updates to her

[crystal pond]

https://youtu.be/FpGygoQ_IDw?feature=shared

Nvm there is new one

[rain cave]

patch is out?

[tulip sun]

Nah

Just decrypted

[silent urchin]

Looks like they fixed the subtitles for this version

they were all unlabelled in the earlier one

oh also they got voss to load properly

fyrakk dragon still a cube tho

[austere gazelle]

Oh Kadghar is ACTUALLY helping now

[upper pasture]

He’s back from the SLs!?

Didn’t the last time we heard from him he was “visiting the SLs for reasons”

[austere gazelle]

no, was already in the Vault of the Incarnate. He said to Kalecgos " the Kirin Tor will help " turns out the Kirin Tor was only him during the whole raid

[crystal pond]

Wdym? Its is his true form

[upper pasture]

Oh yeah

[crystal pond]

He is about to destroy us all

[harsh mason]

He also shot down dragons with magic spheres in azure span lol. He had an arc with Kalesgos against Raszageth. Well, + Kirin Tor began to conduct his research there

[pulsar minnow]

Thank god

[harsh mason]

after that, he helped repel the attacks of the Fyrakk’s army on azure span

[upper pasture]

Ah, seems it was so unmemorable that I forgot he did all these things lol

[harsh mason]

I mean https://youtu.be/gfOYQ8HHyrY?si=Fc8hQcVvWBT_RILr

No, in fact, he appears very often. In the raid, it's even impossible to miss him, he's literally the main character in Vault

[crystal pond]

He is like
In the whole blue dragonflight questline with oathstone

||he is helping his boyfriend||

[harsh mason]

I was still thinking, why is it shown so often, it's like I'm back in the legion

If I'm not mistaken, then it was to him that Kalesgos went for help when Raszageth was free in the prepatch. There was a cinematic there too

[upper pasture]

That’s also content that was nearly a year ago. Sorry I didn’t remember dadkhar teleporting me out of raid when it was like on screen for 4 secs

[harsh mason]

Well, you exaggerate, there are not 4 seconds. No, there's really a lot of content with him

[pulsar minnow]

Tbf while khadgar has been in this expansion, and has been present, he hasnt really done much with the time presented to him

He’s been a pretty minor character to the overall story

[harsh mason]

Damn, when Alex says that "all of Azeroth is united against you"-it's just nostalgia for "War of the Ancients"

[harsh mason]

I'm not talking about the whole exp, I'm about the story arc with Kalesgos

In 10.0

[pulsar minnow]

Even then, he was more of plot device saying “yo kalecgos come check this out” and teleports away

[upper pasture]

Brother I’m not saying he wasn’t in the expansion I’m saying I don’t remember him being in there. And I didn’t decide this was a hill I would die on. I just said I don’t remember and was corrected. The raid cutscene with him was little like 4 seconds of him and kalec being like “oops time to leave”

Like damn, I didn’t tell anyone they were wrong just that I didn’t remember and agreed with them after the fact

[pulsar minnow]

It’s def understandable to forget khadgar was in the expansion, hell I know I forgot a few times

Had a random thought- what was Iridikron’s dark bargain? And who was it with? Sure it could be xal atath but for all we know she was in a knife for a couple thousand years

It’s ofc void related but

[upper pasture]

It was xal’atalth she’s holding the relic in the cutscene of TWW

When the camera comes up to her and she faces it she’s holding the relic he empowered

Plus there’s no shot she wasn’t supposed to be in a tiny millisecond of that portal clip too

(At the end of DotI)

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I know it’s Xal’Atath, but I mean like how in the hell did they get into contact thousands of years ago when she was in the knife

And I’m probably wrong but I don’t think Iridikron had contact with the void until nelth void blasted him at the end of War of the Scaleborn

[rain cave]

I mean he worked with the infinites, and also there's that void portal underneath the dragon isles

since he's earth attuned, he's probably able to hear whispers through the earth

could even be he was making the deal whilst in confinement

after all it could have been xalatath that set the whole DF thing in motion

the primalists were in prison for a looong time and nobody knew, then suddenly some random tauren shaman knew?

and he was planning something before the dragon isles opened keep in mind, he showed up to lorethmars wedding to intimidate people particularly wrathion

[deep pawn]

Haha, I picked a fine time to eat dinner

Knew extension was going to happen

[dense plover]

pretty much a given considering its an enormous zone, has tons of content, cinematics and existing game piece changes

needs to go smoothly

and they probably want to make sure the pre-order stuff doesnt break either

[warm topaz]

it would be cool to know how builds works and all this things

[dense plover]

fuck

even longer?

im ACTUALLY able to play and THATS when maintenance gets extended

guess i got a case of "fuck you in particular"

[tulip sun]

They knew you'd be able to play so they keep pushing it back

Next it'll be "tomorrow"

[dense plover]

its 6pm now

wtf is going on

[tulip sun]

Pushed another hour

[dense plover]

GO GO GO

[pulsar minnow]

i keep getting dc'd 😭

[dense plover]

random drop from a flame druid mob in the dream

another XD

[harsh mason]

Wait, Tindral isn't the leader of the flame druids?

Who is the penultimate boss in the raid

Because apparently the leader is the Prophet of the Flame

[harsh wedge]

Tindral's title should be "Seer of the Flame", which could be the new title and is not far from "Prophet of the Flame", but yes, Tindral should be the new leader

[harsh mason]

It's just that Tindral is just getting new powers from the Prophet of the Flame. At the same time, the Prophet plays the main role of a leader.

[harsh mason]

God, flying on regular mounts feels so slow on dragon islands

[crystal pond]

Because they are slow?

[glass flicker]

Aren't flying mounts like only four times base movement speed? While Dragonriding is like eight?

[crystal pond]

Yeah dragonriding mounts are really fast

[silent urchin]

830% is the max glide speed. While using abilities it's up to about 1300%

[rain cave]

the mythic smolderon sword is going to be a phenomenal xmog

[pulsar minnow]

It’s such a fuckin good sword

[rain cave]

just realized some of these druids of the flame are high elves

[deep pawn]

They removed the In Dev post from the schedule

[silent urchin]

not too surprising, been a busy couple weeks and ptr can always be tricky

[dense plover]

probably gonna go live next week instead

[deep pawn]

yeah

I was just excited when it was on the schedule

[dense plover]

my guess is they realized that 10.2.5 has spoilers for the stuff AFTER the raid

so they want that to go live first

[deep pawn]

lol

I'm just thinking they wanna make sure season launch goes smoothyl

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/keyboardturn/status/1722447279897125173?t=WCbN0Bxn19_M4vvp9qB4nw&s=33

i was thinking abt this too

[austere gazelle]

Interesting oversight. When you click on Lilian Voss she still have lines about sylvanas and " for the banshee queen " ... It makes things very and really weird given the new forsaken context

[subtle oar]

Based Lilian

[harsh mason]

Either that, or they accidentally deleted it from the list, lol

[ionic terrace]

on the launcher now

[thin warren]

ooooh

[silent urchin]

no 10.2.5 build deployed yet, mind

but implies it might still be today

[ionic terrace]

mhm

[thin warren]

exciting

[harsh mason]

Damn wowhead, you're like always. It was necessary to write that the output of 10.2.5 is not delayed, but canceled altogether. And the new expansion too

[warm topaz]

i mean could be

they deleted it from the post

[deep pawn]

Normally big news happens by now so I'm expecting next week

[dense plover]

Nah

It’s not even noon

Give it a few hours

[thin warren]

[warm topaz]

usually is 18/19 CEST

[deep pawn]

I'm used to blizzard posting it's stuff at 10am PST

[warm topaz]

thats 19 CET

[subtle oar]

When the heck are we going to get the Q&A? It was supposed to be on Monday right? Where they release the prerecorded q&a

[errant prairie]

Thought it was on friday

[upper pasture]

Q&A is tomorrow i thought?

[warm topaz]

i tomorrow yeah

[subtle oar]

I coulda sworn it was suppsed be the 6th not 10th

Or maybe I was reading too much into "it'll come out after BlizzCon" and internalized thar as meaning Monday

[upper pasture]

yeah, idk the blue post for the weekly stuff said it was friday.

[deep pawn]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hnewman/2023/11/09/warcrafts-next-three-expansions-will-be-just-as-big-blizzard-says/?sh=447d9281e847

Ion interview

So they define an expansion as just 4 zones, 8 dungeons, 1 raid, 😄

[harsh mason]

In short, there will be 3 raids (or rather 3 raid tier). Well, or 3 seasons (maybe even without fated)

[silent urchin]

he doesn't actually say specifics beyond what's at launch for TWW

But that's pretty standard. That's the only bit that's actually nailed down in production. Everything else is always subject to change

[pulsar minnow]

makes sense

Honestly I could see them maybe going to 13.3 for Last Titan, it being the big grand slam finale after all

[deep pawn]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hnewman/2023/11/09/warcraft-will-have-three-patches-and-fated-raids-before-the-war-within/?sh=5a9366df2268

Here's the article that confirmed 3 more DF minor patches

Also that fated m+ will be all 8 DF dungeons

[subtle oar]

1 raid per xpac?!

[deep pawn]

nah, just launching with a raid

they said we should expect the same number of tiers

[rain cave]

either way's fine tbh

[ionic terrace]

not the ptr we were expecting

[gloomy sleet]

tbf they change the in development topic i guess before today so we'll hopefully get the 10.2.5 ptr next week

[harsh mason]

Obviously, since SoD is coming out, if I'm not mistaken, on November 30th, then this is normal. In any case, 10.2.5 will be released only in early January

[signal bone]

I hope they start adding some of the warband stuff in the patches leading up to TWW

like being able to get mogs for all armor types no matter your class would be AMAZING

[deep pawn]

Early January was always the release date cause of the 8 week cadence

Delay a week or two cause of Christmas

[silent urchin]

I thought season of discovery wasn't having a PTR

cause discovery

[deep pawn]

It's not really

[silent urchin]

ah

[deep pawn]

The spell data is there sorta but nothing of the content is being tested

[silent urchin]

it's just a generic 1.15

[upper pasture]

oh, midnight isn't travelling back in time. interesting

that's actually a lot cooler tbh

[uncut vault]

I dont know how anyone possibly assumed we would be lol

Metzen made it pretty clear that it was a continuation of the void story in TWW targetting the modern Sunwell

[pulsar minnow]

wait people thought we were going back in time?

[warm topaz]

i thought the same LMAO

i have heard Morgan said that Azerothian Archives is something coming in 10.2.5/7/X

he said that is something like archaeology

[deep pawn]

they spoiled that? Bleh, I lowkey wanted current time revamp

oh misread lol

[rain cave]

yeah who thought it was back in time ;p

that's news to me

[upper pasture]

i mean "were going back to the old world to united the elves and help them defend the sunwell" can be taken that way for sure. i'm just glad the older zones are going to get some love and brought to HD 😄

[rain cave]

I think if any xpac could have time travel involved it would be last titan

[upper pasture]

and it's not like we've never done time travel before too

[rain cave]

but not as a core premise

but I could definetly see some questline or .5 patch involving us having information revealed to us by travelling back and seeing things

if the titans aren't happy with their timeline being shattered, nozdormu will probs be involved there

and we could get some infinites or whoever kind of guiding us to these key events we haven't seen

showing us the conspiracy

[deep pawn]

I suppose some could be confused by calling modern Blood Elves and Void Elves "tribes"

[rain cave]

I mean we could get more as well

the nightborne are probably going to help considering they blood elves helped them

the night elves also probably realize the dread of having the icon of your civilization and your home invaded and destroyed/soiled

[deep pawn]

I know, the tribe word likely made some think old pre-historic

[rain cave]

and hell the high elves of the alliance for sure

[deep pawn]

It should be all current Elf groups, plus I bet some Naga help too

[rain cave]

oo

[deep pawn]

SUBHEADERS IN CURRECNY

[rain cave]

I do kind of hope we get more cosmic variations for more races as customisations

like since midnight is said to have the forces of the light aiding us

and the sunwell under threat

blood knights teaming up with lightforged

combined belf + lightforged aesthetic

give some races some lightforged tattoos

alleria spreading that good void shit to other races maybe as well, give other races some voidy eyes/ tentacle hair styles

even as just a couple extra customisations like dark rangers did

could be fun ;p

[subtle oar]

I want more customization for Pandaren;-;

[rain cave]

i do wonder if and when they'll bring pandaren into the story again

even if it's just, having one of the people be an NPC in the main group of NPCs

they're probably setting up lili for that

[subtle oar]

I wish, but that won't happen

[thin warren]

[nocturne ore]

did affliction get a buff in 10.2 or is it still not great?

[deep pawn]

I think it's looking best in m+?

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/status/1723085272206704653

[dense plover]

still just vendor

its coming next week

[deep pawn]

its fine

They can focus on season launch going smoothly

[fading lintel]

Can u get tier set right now?

AMirdrasil tier set

[subtle oar]

Not until next week

[fading lintel]

Kk thx

[ember blaze]

has blizzard said anything about what happens to our dragonriding talents?

[upper pasture]

Yeah, they are going to be mostly baseline in TWW

[ember blaze]

mostly?

[upper pasture]

Prolly some things might be unlocked still but I think they said vigor points will all be basedline.

But all the dragonflight stuff they said wouldn’t require new players to go back and collect all those glyphs to be fully functioning

But mostly sounded like they didn’t want to commit to one thing this far ahead just incase something changes. The only thing I’d say you can count on is DF glyphs won’t need to be collected by new TWW players to have full DR options

[silent urchin]

iirc they said glyphs would remain for dragon isles only, but most of the power would become baseline, and maybe there's some new stuff for new zones

[subtle oar]

All if it is going to be baked into the Dynamic flight system, nothing is being left out

[austere gazelle]

There is a static charge stuff with the mount of the next xpack, a buff that you can stack while flying to activate some skill so, who knows

[upper pasture]

pretty sure in the interview they said it's likely to be a mix of both but most of the stuff that made DR fun will be base line.

IE the stuff we have today is likely to be baseline and anything new will be earned some other way.

either just a short quest or something, they likely are doing away with the dragon riding talent tree

[uncut vault]

stuff like the profession gathering buffs or the combat landing/shield probably won't continue, since they weren't super massive anyways

but all the movement buttons and passives will be baseline, I'd imagine

[austere gazelle]

If you look at the expack mount , they'll most probably remove the vigor requirement from several skills and make them usable given buff you'll charge while flying.

For example the barrel roll of the gryphon requires you to stack 10 of a static charge buff before being usable. This buff seems to stack when you're flying closer to the ground

[cosmic beacon]

You get static charge for being close to any physical surface including walls and the ground

[austere gazelle]

It can also happen when you're in the air too but randomly so that's why it made it weird for me

[rain cave]

Given the proximity of khaz algar to southern kalimdor, the sword being a plot point, and old god blood underground

I wonder if we'll get a zone that is literally cthuns stabbed body

With flowing blood rivers

[austere gazelle]

Interesting thing I note.
We know that the Aspects will get their power back thanks to the tree.
The Tree is the power of Elune and her Sister.

The Embrace, which gave the Aspects their powers, is the conjonction of the two moons of Azeroth, respectively associated with Elune and... Lo'sho ( who could be tied to the Winter Queen, being somehow Elune's sister in the Tauren Mythos )

Basically the Tree could be seen as another Embrace, but more physically connected to Azeroth, but having the same power source or influence, without the Order power mixed in it

[sleek solar]

Is the 10.2.5 PTR not live yet?

[warm topaz]

next week!

[sleek solar]

Ohhh

[thin warren]

Exciting!

Where will we go!

[deep pawn]

November 16
(Event) World of Warcraft’s 19th Anniversary Celebration Begins
(Article) In Development

and we're back

[subtle oar]

Woah, you changed your PfP

[deep pawn]

Why not, plus I'm stupidly simping over Heartsteel Sett, dude made me install League haha

[rain cave]

surprised it's setts skin of all of them that got your attention lmao

isn't it just base sett wearing a beanie

[ember blaze]

[deep pawn]

Honestly first skin I really liked and would buy if I really played League more was Star Guardian Ezrael.

[rain cave]

I think the first skin I've ever actually considered buying is heartsteel kayn just because he looks cool imo

and the animations are nice

the song was cool, not particularly fond of some of the choices made but kayn is cool ig

[deep pawn]

Riot knows exactly what they're doing making this icon available in the game. 😛

[ember blaze]

Kda waiting room

[deep pawn]

(G)I-DLE have been singing a lot of K/DA songs lately maybe they're working on new stuff

[ember blaze]

Maybe seems like they wanna expand to more characters

And who knows if they wanna revisit true dmg

[deep pawn]

I'm always down for more Pentakill too

[ember blaze]

Dont they have like 5 albums

[deep pawn]

3 maybe?

[subtle oar]

I fucking love the Pentakill albums

Deathfire Grasp is my ringtone on my phone

[rotund niche]

I have a question concerning Season of Discovery

I thought everything would be hidden by Blizzard, but I see spoilers on wowhead.
How ?

[upper pasture]

Spell ids are still things that will be datamined but how to get these things will be hidden

[austere gazelle]

Think of wow secret finding. You know that something exist, how to get it is another topic :p

[sudden oak]

Sett and the whole of heartsteel has me in a vice-grip

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/status/1724447459861049390

👀

[harsh mason]

I hope that wowhead won't post cinematics before people in the game see it.

[junior bolt]

@ancient forge dai cinematica bratan

[ancient forge]

Im not doing posts not on my payroll 😂

[junior bolt]

i pay in rakia

its from my grandfather's most recent batch and its more fire and fyrakk and his axe. if u are in srb u kno about rakia for sure

[harsh mason]

Don't give anything to nobody!!!!

Everyone will see it today anyway, when the raid comes out

[ancient forge]

I will leak if the rakija only if it is EMPERUS Antica that costs 14893.00 EUR

[junior bolt]

this rakia was made in a pot situated deep in a bulgarian forest accessible by at least an hour of walking in the forest so u can reach that pot (mainly because the pot is illegal and he doesnt wanna pay taxes for it)

nothing better than illegal rakia made deep in the forest

[ancient forge]

I'm doing that already on my small farm

😄

[junior bolt]

hah a man of culture 😄

[austere gazelle]

I hope they do. Cquse as EU we're always having to see those before we can even touch the season start so same treatment for everyone xD

[junior bolt]

as long as they dont spoil anything in the title its ok. u can just not click on it

[deep pawn]

Moonshine making is a global sport I guess

they already posted one cutscene

[junior bolt]

ye but its not from the raid

[deep pawn]

still just as important, I ain't clicking it

[crystal pond]

https://youtu.be/-ApmskPOZkQ?feature=shared

Whezeeeeeeee

[tropic trail]

do not do that pls some people do not want to see spoiler's

[upper pasture]

bruh it's the spoiler channel

[crystal pond]

???
Its literally spoiler channel

[tropic trail]

yes but for the ptr not for somethingthat is happening right now

[deep pawn]

I'd just say avoid this channel

[ember blaze]

This is the spoiler channel. Anything goes

You dont want spoilers dont open the channel

[blazing granite]

Odyn for the final boss of a megadungeon?

For 10.2.5?

[harsh mason]

I assure you that people who are subscribed to the YouTube channel wowhead and saw in their subscriptions a video on which the Vyranoth stands among the Halls of Valor and the name "Vyranoth vs Odin" did not appreciate it. Considering that the servers haven't opened yet

If it was posted without a preview and without such a name-okay, no problem

[harsh mason]

No

[deep pawn]

Preach interview with Ion says we will see characters important for 12.0 in 11.0 from the start

[harsh mason]

Spoilers are not here, spoilers on the YouTube channel wowhead, and the spoiler is even on the preview

That is, people who didn't want any spoilers at all saw them just by going to YouTube

Of course I'm not the final authority, but I'm pretty sure that if a person doesn't want spoilers and sees Vyranoth standing in the middle of the Halls of Valor in a patch that has nothing to do with it, that's a serious spoiler.

[upper pasture]

i mean, at the end of the day wowhead is a datamining website so by following them you are semi okay with some mild spoilers. that's like turn on the news channel and being upset that you get "spoiled" before the sunday paper comes in.

[crystal pond]

Thrall and Jaina again?

[harsh mason]

I mean, on the website they did it differently( removed the previews, made a different title). So on the website, if you go to the site, you'll never know what it's about until you open the post. But on youtube they just threw in a vid with a spoiler preview. Personally, I don't care, I, like a lot of people here, already knew all that. But to me, it's weird.

[crystal pond]

I swear if 11.0 and 12.0 without Anduin and Wrathion it will be a shit af expansion

[harsh mason]

Thrall for sure, he's literally in the main cinematic

[deep pawn]

He did mention Jaina

[crystal pond]

Oh no

[upper pasture]

yeah but that's also youtube and their algorithms fault.

[crystal pond]

The ship is sailed again

[harsh mason]

Wrathion will most likely be hanging out with Vyranoth and her new dragons

[upper pasture]

strange to me they mentioned so much about how DF was the end/start of a new chapter of WoW yet now were going back to these old characters. i wonder if plans changed and now with chris back they want to give some of the OGs a proper send off

[harsh mason]

His story arc will most likely just have to do with "other" dragons that are outside of the main flights

[harsh mason]

I don't know, DF is very much like the prologue to a new saga\

Considering we're explicitly told that there will still be a DF epilogue and a storyline related to the beginning of TWW

Chris was back a year ago, I don't think much has changed.

[thin warren]

we will get 3 more patches!

[upper pasture]

yeah the storyline is relative to DF cause of Xal'alath and all the moves she's made through the course of DF and supposedly BfA leads up to TWW

oddly Iridikron hasn't bee mentioned so i fear for him in like 10.2.5

[warm topaz]

servers are up on America!

[crystal pond]

https://youtu.be/bGpzdIMHSSU?feature=shared
Hmm

It looks like azeroth wave 😑

[warm topaz]

what you mean?

[crystal pond]

The power wave

The color of it look like azeroth themed stuff

Well
Titan themed stuff idk

[junior bolt]

is there a 2nd cinematic

[warm topaz]

is that bad?

like

[blazing granite]

Not yet

[warm topaz]

world sould saga is abt that

[crystal pond]

No, its just applying that the one who blessing aspects is azeroth her self

[junior bolt]

azeroth is definitely not a titan

[warm topaz]

oh sorry, yeah, i was confuse

[crystal pond]

Will wait for full questline to be online for sure

[autumn dagger]

maybe the wave is first one themed?

[crystal pond]

But if its actually azeroth blessing aspects, oh boi, i spoiler it a month ago lmao

[autumn dagger]

fractals n stuff had that same golden colour

[harsh mason]

It wasn't the nefls souls that killed him

But this is definitely not the final cinematics for DF

And as I understand it, they are no longer aspects

And just great dragons

[mighty wolf]

there is a second cinematic after that

[harsh mason]

I know, I mean, there will be another patch with an epilogue of the plot

[silent urchin]

there's a second part to the cinematic

this first part played on kill

second part is longer, explains a bit, and is after talking to alex

[harsh mason]

I saw the cutscene for the raid

[silent urchin]

I assume there's more explanations in convo windows, but echo stream didn't really linger on any

[pulsar minnow]

anyone got a link for the second cinematic

[junior bolt]

||https://raider.io/amirdrassil-the-dreams-hope/global-coverage#post-264298||

[pulsar minnow]

no it comes directly from the tree

[junior bolt]

||it is azeroth's blessing||

they discuss it in the 2nd cinematic

[pulsar minnow]

nvm yeah you're right

[junior bolt]

i like how echo went in, gave us the cinematic and dipped out

absolute madlads

[ionic terrace]

look who the dracthyr are standing with

sus

[crystal pond]

I am so glad that i spoilered the 10.2 by just speculating

Now its time to go to sleep again

[harsh mason]

About the Titans returning their powers to them?

[crystal pond]

No

About that Azeroth will bless dragons through tree

[pulsar minnow]

is it a bad thing necessarily?

It seems more likely that it's indicating Azeroth is not in fact a titan

[crystal pond]

No, its just funny for me
Becauss everyone at first was like "why azeroth will bless dragons its just make no sense"
And now look at that

[silent urchin]

it seems implied it was always powers from azeroth, but actually a bad guy titans were giving it to the dragons via other meeans

but maybe there's more in the post-raid chapter of the campaign

[pulsar minnow]

also, it seems we may see Amirdrassil take form in the waking world? They said Amirdrassil has left the dream...

[crystal pond]

Yeah its in irl word now

[pulsar minnow]

do we know where?

[crystal pond]

Well not in this patch atleast

Maybe in next one

[pulsar minnow]

probably 10.2.5

[upper pasture]

prolly in 10.2.5 or something

[crystal pond]

I mean

[upper pasture]

it's gonna be off the coast of OP no?

[blazing granite]

Even Chronicles called it a World Soul

[pulsar minnow]

logically, yeah. But I know there's a crowd who'd like it on Kalimdor

Personally I don't care.

[crystal pond]

This thing still going one from BETA

[pulsar minnow]

just wanna see it fully grown in the waking world

Well yeah, I'm guessing it'll be there ofc

Since that's where it is in the dream

Also, I wonder if they're gonna make Amirdrassil even bigger, or let it stay that size that its in within the dream. Could be cool to see them make a Teldrassil 2.0 as opposed to a Nordrassil 2.0

[warm topaz]

guys thoughts on the cinematic?

[crystal pond]

Cool, but can be cooler

[warm topaz]

people is shiting on it, i personally like it

[pulsar minnow]

I don't see a problem with it. Like I don't hate it. It works just fine. - coulda been cooler yeah

[ember blaze]

Basic

[crystal pond]

people expecting something epic but like... Aspects got their powers from Azeroth, which is really cool.
But also the death of fyrakk is like zzzzzzzzz

The last boss of expansion btw

[pulsar minnow]

Fyrakk was just not in that ending cinematic at all 💀

[crystal pond]

I guess this is the main reason why people don't like it

He just died

[warm topaz]

i want to see how 10.2.5 10.2.7 are going to be

[junior bolt]

dont forget tyr finale next reset

[crystal pond]

Even Sarkareth got him cinematic, and the fire doggo did not

Wtf???

[warm topaz]

i dont think is about Fyrakk tbh

[crystal pond]

the final boss of expansion

With no ending cinematic

[warm topaz]

yeah but, im agree he should be on the cinematic

[junior bolt]

fyrakk is just means to an end

[warm topaz]

but i don't think people are not liking it bc not Fyrakk on it

[junior bolt]

the end being ||the blessing of azeroth||

[crystal pond]

||The blessing by azeroth*||

[junior bolt]

same thing

[subtle oar]

Dracthyr Druids confirmed

[ember blaze]

What forms would they get

The basic ones?

Or unique models

[crystal pond]

The bear/cat, but with scales instead of fur

Nonono
Turtle form for tanks

[harsh mason]

OK, where is the Tyr quest line

[blazing granite]

Next week

[crystal pond]

Oh boi
I want to see tyr reaction on ALL that has happened on azeroth

"Its better to stay dead"

[austere gazelle]

Called it. Azeroth is not a Titan. It's subtly confirmed in the latest cinematic

Azeroth blessed the dragon aspects but those dragons claims it's not titanic power anymore 😏

[blazing granite]

It's hasn't been for A WHILE

It MAY become a Titan

The Cosmic Force dominant in it will turn it into what it wants

[junior bolt]

what if she's of the 7th force akin to the other 6

and they all want to control her power 😄

[austere gazelle]

She is a unique world soul, or the only true titan left. ( the actual one are not the true titans , it's still a possible outcome )
I say this because on this very channel some people refuted the simple thought that she couldn't , possibly, be a titan

:p

[blazing granite]

The World Souls are essentially the only way for the Titans to procreate

[austere gazelle]

it's not a given, but as I said, a titan come from a world soul, but all the world souls are not titans

[junior bolt]

has the last part been confirmed

[blazing granite]

If they were not, the other Cosmic Forces would not have the power needed to be equal

[austere gazelle]

no but since Azeroth is not a titan - or not a titan like we know them - it's unofficialy confirmed

[junior bolt]

exactly, we dont even know if she's a world soul at all

[austere gazelle]

If you take the mythology from which the Pantheon is inspired, those same olympian gods overthrowned the titans and locked them into hell. Who say it isnt the same here?

[junior bolt]

all we know of azeroth is from the titan's perspective

[junior bolt]

this! i do think she's not a titan or even a world soul. titans do have a thing for prisons

we'll find out by 2030 piece by piece

[daring heron]

so, if azeroth blessed the aspects + vyranoth with their "power", can we extrapolate this and assume that back then the aspects only got their power because azeroth was at risk of being destroyed and they stood up and fought to prevent it from being destroyed?

so it was never the titans' blessing but azeroth?

or is it different this time?

[austere gazelle]

no back then it took the keepers to channel each Titan's power through them and into the Aspects

[daring heron]

I'm calling it, the titans want to enslave azeroth and she knows it.

[austere gazelle]

Difference is here, Azeroth is dreaming, they are in the dream, so its possible that Azeroth's can dream stuff and make those true

[austere gazelle]

they doesnt wants to, they enslaved here already

[silent urchin]

I feel like there's an implication the titans were harnessing azeroth's power through less than legitimate means

[daring heron]

yeah I was about to say that but couldn't find a way to write it properly 😛

I think what we'll end up seeing in this saga is that Azeroth will be free

and being free means we'll learn the titans are not the benevolent keepers of order we thought they were

[silent urchin]

There's definitely a strong theme there

[daring heron]

and maybe Azeroth will generate offsprings, we might even see a new Argus, so the draenei can get their land back

[silent urchin]

not necessarily that titans are malicious, but they're at least not particularly bothered about mortals, or lying

[austere gazelle]

If Azeroth is the crucible of all thing, the original point of all cosmos' different power, then all is logical, she can give back their power to the Aspects, but instead of being the refined, ordered version of those power, its from the original source, raw and pure

[silent urchin]

Almost.. primal?

[subtle oar]

No, this is a fact. She is a World Soul, a Titan World Soul until otherwise officially stated. We do, however, know she's not a normal Titan World Soul, as Aggramar felt she was more powerful than any existing Titan on the Pantheon.

[austere gazelle]

Yeah, I think she is a Primordial world soul

[austere gazelle]

Nozdormu confirmed that the power they received was not titanic, and yet it came from Azeroth, so, she is not a titan

[blazing granite]

Iridikron will not be okay with it (the crucible thing)

[austere gazelle]

Oh he will be, because the titans just enslaved everyone on Azeroth and morphed Dragonkind into their dogs, that's why he want to sack them hard. He seems to know what is really Azeroth since he state that the Titans came only for it and not what's on it

[blazing granite]

For him the Titans were aliens and interlopers

[austere gazelle]

Amirdrassil seems to be the power of Azeroth incarnated somehow.
It means " the crown of harmony "
In Zereth Mortis the Oracle said many time that Harmony was required to make the cosmos balanced. That a song was required to put them all in Harmony. Azeroth is that song.
Cue to the last words of Zovaal. " A Cosmos divided will not survive what is to come "

[blazing granite]

How would it be okay for him to learn that Order as it is exists BECAUSE of Azeroth

[austere gazelle]

I don't think he hate order, he hate what the titans did with it on Azeroth

[blazing granite]

"primal power that seeks the end of Order"

[austere gazelle]

well, basically you kill the titans your remove order from the equation

You can't remove order from the cosmos though or else all will turn to shit ( time is a construct of Order )

And there is a difference between primordial power , which, when mixed, can produce Order magic, and Order magic in itself. Azeroth is just the cooking pot and the sources of all of those primordial, raw basic elements necessary to construct and build all the others' powers. ( IMO )

That's probably why all the cosmos' charts have her at the center, then all the elements, and then all the Forces

[daring heron]

he has galakrond's soul essence so he doesn't care, galakrond is stronger

[daring heron]

actually he did what he did cuz he dared to go against the designation of the shadowlands realm leader missions. he questioned it, got punished to the maw

[subtle oar]

Xalatath has it now

[austere gazelle]

We don't know what made Zovaal's tilt for now, unfortunately

[daring heron]

and it remains unexplained why is it that the shadowmemes realms are like they are... like, no one explains why what zovaal wanted to do is bad, they just say it's bad

[harsh mason]

Is this like a hint that Fyrakk could in theory go to the elemental world after death?

[austere gazelle]

since he absorbed the Fire Elemental Lord essence, it might be

[blazing granite]

I do love how unceremonious Fyrakk's death is. Even Sarkareth got more than him.

So many cutscenes, and once he's toast: lol whatever what's next

[austere gazelle]

Well I hope ( or not ) that the mythic version will give a phase with more insight

[harsh mason]

Only Emberthal was so taken away from Sarkareth, since they literally lived 99% of their lives nearby, the rest didn't even want to do anything. No one had such an attitude towards Fyrakk.

[upper pasture]

wdym fyrakk taught alex how to hunt or vice versa. i can't remember which but the aspects have history with him

[austere gazelle]

Fyrakk is Alex's uncle, and he taught her how to hunt and fight.
When you read this book, it make this ending worse.

[harsh mason]

The same Vyranoth was more worried about the death of Raszageth than for Fyrakk. If I'm not mistaken, in the novel Ysera hated him even BEFORE he became an Incarnation

Alex did not feel any kindred feelings for him already at the time of the war. Not to mention the events in the game

[austere gazelle]

We can all agree that it lacks substance anyway. Writing was a bit wonky on this side

[harsh mason]

Well, in the quest line, which came out today, she already says directly that he needs to be killed and that she doesn't even want to call him a brother anymore

[austere gazelle]

yeah but I don't like them not really dwelling on epilogue of fight. Baddy is killed, ok, next ?
It's like Arthas, his final presence was butchered and monopolized by Sylvanas. Uther couldn't have said a proper goodbye ? Jaina couldn't have talked more to all that remained of her former lover ? no, we had Sylvanas taking all the spotlight for reason and then poof, next boss ?

[junior bolt]

It has been confirmed that Chronicle (from where stems the knowledge about Azeroth's nature) has been written from a titan perspective. Meaning our only source of knowledge about her is not objective.

[austere gazelle]

And maybe, in the third expansion, we will have a new perspective about Sargeras' true motivations.

[subtle oar]

We first learned Azeroth was a World Soul in Wrath and further elaborated in MoP when Wrathion consumed Lei Shens heart and AManthuls final moments were relived thru him when he called her the Final Titan. Chronicles was not the origin of this knowledge, it only reinforced it. We've known since SLands now that (unfortunately) Chronicles is not meant to be the end all be all lore clarifier but just the Titanic View point of the lore; which is so odd because I guess its the view of Order that Arthas's motives were to consume the world in undeath to Protect the world from Void and Chaos? lol

[daring heron]

inb4 Sargeras wanted to free Azeroth from the enslavement she got herself into

[junior bolt]

Azeroth was first called a world soul in Chronicle. In Wrath she was only called a "seedling" by Yogg and in MoP "the final titan" while Wrathion was possessed by the titanic thingy.

Chronicle IS the first source to actually put the words "titan/world soul" next to Azeroth and flat out call her that. But it is still our one and only source of information which directly calls her that. And given how it's written from a biased perspective, it can neither be confirmed nor denied that she's a titan/world soul due to the lack of additional sources on Azeroth's true nature.

[crystal pond]

Why wrathion have new model in cinematics but using his old one in game instead
I dont get it, why?

[daring heron]

am I the only one thinking the past villains since SL were not bad at all? Zovaal wanted to rewire the shadowmemes realms to prepare the Cosmos for what's yet to come (and everyone said this was bad and should be avoided). the incarnates wanted to free the world from Titan influence and they partially achieved this; Vyranoth and Wrathion go on to give freedom of choice for the netherwing and the storm dragons to choose whether to stay in Outlands/with Odyn or go to the Dragon Isles help defend the world tree

Fyrakk is bad because he wants everything to burn, we saw that

Iridikron lost track of his goals and went a step ahead to get Galakrond's essence and give it to the harbinger of the void

maybe he thinks that by getting rid of the Order, everyone can finally be free

[subtle oar]

Iridikrons goals was always just War

Fyrakk was always power and hatred

[junior bolt]

metzen did spoke of a grand titan conspiracy so u may actually be onto something about order and the titans' true nature

[subtle oar]

Vyranoth was bigotry and the eggs

[daring heron]

do we know how related were iridikron and neltharion? all the things I learned about the latter during DF just shows me that Iridikron is way more Neltharion than I expected him to be

[subtle oar]

Razageth was just insane from the moment of her ascension

[daring heron]

they're like mirror versions of the aspects 😛

[junior bolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCH_5NkO7n4

[subtle oar]

They were rivals, not related. It is stated in the book they had been rivals since before Galakronds arc

[silent urchin]

familial relationships between dragons are.. complicated

primals apparently often don't care for their whelps, and while ordered dragons do, it's often a communal thing with anonymous parents

[daring heron]

I think that's changing though, at least vyranoth showed to be a soft heart

shes alexstraza's sister, right?

[subtle oar]

No

[deep pawn]

no, was as close as clutchmates

[subtle oar]

Close friend ^

Ysera is her actual sister

[daring heron]

ah so the "sister" in the cutscene when vyranoth joins the aspects was a figure of speech

[silent urchin]

They seem to be cousins, because vyranoth and fyrakk are stated to be siblings, and fyrakk is stated to be a cousin of alexstrasza and yseera

but I'm not sure how literal that's meant to be

[subtle oar]

Yes, just like when Vyranoth called Fyrakk her brother. It is a figure of speech

[silent urchin]

sister/brother seems to be used in the book for those who are born and raised together, not necessarily literally relateed

[daring heron]

I think it's more about common use in situations where people have been together for a long time, like band of brothers

[austere gazelle]

I think it's a headache

[subtle oar]

Incorrect. Vyranoth and Fyrakk were not related at all. All the Incarnates called eachother brother and sister but none were related

[silent urchin]

hmm I read that somewhere, I guess they were wrong then

I haven't quite finished the book

[subtle oar]

The only relations that are confirmed are Ysera and Alex being sisters and Fyrakk being both of their cousin.

[junior bolt]

Iridikron did have a sister, named Ikronia, who became an ordered dragon

[blazing granite]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/17vdkqd/comment/k99td61/
Look who's here

[pulsar minnow]

Chronicles are written by the titans…

[rain cave]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1724532818380779575

remember that leak where the guy talked about a floating priest ability?

perhaps that was this?

[subtle oar]

This has been a thing for a bit now

The community has been referring to it as "The Uppies" for a while

[rain cave]

ah ok

[deep pawn]

so where's Merithra at the Ancient Bough?

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault The Dracthyr are in the first stage of the scenario too

They're up on a cliff fighting between Cenarious' group and Moira's

[deep pawn]

is the post raid quest bugged?

I just wanna see this dream bloom damn it

[pulsar minnow]

So is there like a new zone under the tree now too?

In the waking world version of amirdrasil that is

[deep pawn]

yeah

[pulsar minnow]

Ok cool

What’s it look like

[deep pawn]

it's just like the dream minus the floaty and firey parts

[deep pawn]

So I finished New Beginnings

I think it wasn't supposed to unlock this week

My proof for why this came up too soon

[ionic terrace]

We love blizzard spoiling themselves

[deep pawn]

||Koranos has a Stay and While and Listen but it didn't launch. He speaks of how he has to be a guide for Tyr somehow.||

I did bug my character by exploring Amirdrassil

[blazing granite]

Nothing to note?

[deep pawn]

oh tons, but it's very spoiler

[blazing granite]

The Reddit poster says that the chapter is available now.

Requires some prereqs to do, no idea what those are

[deep pawn]

Likely just all the main story quests

I've admittedly not done the Baine, Eternus, and other questlines but they all showed up

[dense plover]

im assuming all of these are locked behind beating fyrakk yeah?