beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

xbox owns blizzard, theyre not the same company

thats not how the merger worked

[rain cave]

the thing is

why aren't other games like Wow sub based?

[dense plover]

ffxiv

literally dude

[rain cave]

oof

I thought it was free

[dense plover]

the other biggest mmo IS subbed

no

[rain cave]

another L for that game

xd

[dense plover]

only through to 3 expacs ago

its the SECOND BIGGEST MMO on the market

subbed works

its the most profitable model because it allows for higher quality

[rain cave]

we don't really know that

[dense plover]

we do actually

we have earnings reports

[daring heron]

which one is the first? ffxiv?

[dense plover]

im not talking # of players

[dense plover]

no ffxiv is the 2nd

[rain cave]

I think people just put its name through a loudspeaker when WoW was in a rough spot

[dense plover]

wow is the most profitable mmo on the market

by a significant margin

[dense plover]

dude - it is LITERALLY the 2nd most profitable mmo

factually

[rain cave]

that's not biggest though

[dense plover]

we have earnings reports

IT IS FOR THE FUCKING COMPANY MY GUY

companies make money

[rain cave]

we're not the company

[dense plover]

theyre not going to choose less money for more users

IM NOT SAYING WHAT I WANT

[rain cave]

neither am I saying that

[dense plover]

IM TALKING ABOUT WHATS ACTUAL LIKELY

[rain cave]

I'm just saying usually people classify the size of games by their playerbases

[dense plover]

then why do you keep saying it?

[rain cave]

not their income

[dense plover]

we are focusing on profit tho

[rain cave]

they classify the income as the income

lmao

[dense plover]

you claimed gamepass = more money, which doesnt make sense since wow, a sub-based mmo is more profitable than every f2p mmo on the market

including ESO

ESO isnt even close to ffxiv

[rain cave]

ok but why is wow most profitable

we do not know

[dense plover]

if Gamepass makes 15 million a year and wow makes 10 million, and they switch to gamepass, and now gamepass makes 22 million a year, you lose 3 million

[rain cave]

as we don't have access to their finance breakdown

[dense plover]

thats what you are asking for

[dense plover]

YES WE DO

EARNINGS CALLS LITERALLY

[rain cave]

those are earnings calls

not breakdowns

[dense plover]

wow's money comes initially from the expac

and then from the sub over the following years

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/KarazaaCodes/status/1720895915412885818

YES YES AND YES

[dense plover]

dragonflights success is IN its sub retention

[rain cave]

we don't get their specific income from xpac sales vs subs

[dense plover]

it had less box sales than prior expacs

its literally a statement - we dont have specific numbers but they literally attribute dragonflights financial success to its ability to sustain sub numbers

[exotic obsidian]

holy shittt, that's hugeeee. as an evoker main this made my day

[dense plover]

10.2.5 too

not 11.X

[ancient jasper]

Out of curiosity who is Karazaa? Are they trustworthy?

[dense plover]

wow dev

[ancient jasper]

Oh shit

o_o

[dense plover]

yeah it just wasnt in the slides

stuff like that usually gets put into the text post later

[ancient jasper]

Well that makes me happy as fuck

[exotic obsidian]

would be nice if it was just a Global like travel form for druids

[ancient jasper]

Always thought Dracthyr deserved normal Dragonflight lol

[marsh star]

I hope they were allowed to announce this

[exotic obsidian]

but still nice to get full fledged DR as evoker

does this mean Druid travel form will get dragonriding aswell?

[dense plover]

great question - i think its certainly possible

if they add it, it will have a cast bar tho

[warm topaz]

you know what, back in the early beta they could soar at max speed like 960%

they nerfed it

[deep pawn]

YESSS

[ancient jasper]

Mmm.. That would be the trade off. You can have Dragon Riding as a Druid at the cost of instant cast Flight Form or you can keep instant cast Flight Form and not have Dragon Riding

[exotic obsidian]

would be nice if druid & evokers would have just a globalcooldown to fly

[silent urchin]

one of the replies is asking him if druids get dragonriding flight form, and he replies 11.0

[austere gazelle]

hum. Xbox and Microsoft are not wanting to SOLD stuff through gamepass. They want to increase their playerbase and their customers folders. That's the main goal of the gamepass. The more people on it, the more people susceptible to play Microsoft products or to buy game etc. The more data you got, the more money you make. that's today's world.

[rain cave]

yes

that's the name of the game atm market wise

getting people on your platform

[exotic obsidian]

evoker will have cast and the flight will cancel when touching ground

[deep pawn]

oh snap

[exotic obsidian]

https://twitter.com/KarazaaCodes/status/1720896277406441802?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1720896277406441802|twgr^82846021d038294baa987ae15a55e471654f02a5|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowhead.com%2Fnews%2Fdracthyrs-soar-to-become-full-dragonriding-in-patch-10-2-5-335915

[dense plover]

but you wouldnt sacrifice a big revenue stream

microsoft isnt stupid

[austere gazelle]

Data make tons more revenue through data

[dense plover]

no it doesnt

no it fucking doesnt

dont make shit up

[rain cave]

the question is what do microsoft value more

[austere gazelle]

yes it does. I work in the field.

[rain cave]

more gamepass subscribers

or more wow subscribers

[dense plover]

THEY VALUE PROFIT

THEYRE A PUBLICALLY TRADED COMPANY

im done arguing this

ive made my stance clear

[rain cave]

microsoft have more than enough profit, they're not playing by the simple number goes up rules acti blizz were on

[austere gazelle]

Why do you think they are big law enforcement on Data management and GPRD and stuff? People sell data to other companies and to other market, making HUGE profits through those lists while the customer pay 0

[dense plover]

when wow DOESNT go f2p on gamepass, you can eat my shorts

[rain cave]

no need to get so defensive man

[dense plover]

blizzard is in california

they cant just sell everyones data

[rain cave]

we're just casuall chatting about potential things they could do

[daring heron]

@dense plover I see your points but let's agree that MS is too big to care about following the norm. they can experiment with that. they have a $25bi dollar fine to pay to the IRS because of taxes shenaningans. they simply don't care.

[rain cave]

because from a UX side of things, it's strange to have two competing subscriptions going on under the same branch

[austere gazelle]

yes and I'm in france , it's the same but generate tons of profit anyway.
It's like fidelity cards in supermarket. You pay 0 $ to get it, but you gave information to them, and they are using those information to make $$$

[daring heron]

if it means they will have more players and more money, wow will become f2p on gamepass.

[dense plover]

you dont experiment with something that works

im done arguing

[daring heron]

tell that to blizzard fucking up wow for the past 10 years?

[dense plover]

dont ping me about this

[austere gazelle]

If it's free, you're the product, that's what we are learning

[rain cave]

you good man?

[dense plover]

until something changes, i have no further thoughts

[fading lintel]

What did i miss on deep dive guys pls say

It say age restricted when i try to click on blizzard entertainment youtube live stream

[rain cave]

showed the names of all the hero talent specs

showed druid talents as an example

[fading lintel]

Ik i have them up but what more

Is there footage?

[rain cave]

new bg

[fading lintel]

OMG ok

[rain cave]

warband wide bank

that you can craft using the reagents straight from

[dense plover]

the footage IS the livestream

[exotic obsidian]

Ion made invincible mount memes

[dense plover]

#latest-news also has pictures

[fading lintel]

Where can i like re watch live stream

[dense plover]

its not separate yet

probably tomorrow on the WoW youtube

[exotic obsidian]

will probs be posted ontheir YT during the dayu

[fading lintel]

Does anyone know if like Gore or things was showedd?

[dense plover]

no

[fading lintel]

Bc it says age restricted and i cant join

[dense plover]

its still wow

its because its a livestream

thats just how youtube works

[fading lintel]

Why is fricking blizzcon age restrictyed

No

Yesterday i could watch

yesterday live stream

[dense plover]

maybe someone made a mistake

[fading lintel]

Fire them

[subtle oar]

twitch

[fading lintel]

Now im gonna write on forums

Thx

[fading lintel]

On what channel

[exotic obsidian]

https://www.twitch.tv/blizzard

[fading lintel]

HowHow can i scroll back the video?

[rain cave]

lmao why

also it's age restricted because diablo 4 exists

not a mistake

diablo is a mature game

[austere gazelle]

rofl

people are wild

[fading lintel]

Is it possible to scroll back on the stream?

Like go back to the wow stuff

idc about the overwatch i dont play

[exotic obsidian]

on twitch it isn't

[fading lintel]

:(

[austere gazelle]

go on MMo champion on the last news you got the video ( maybe even on wowhead too :p )

[exotic obsidian]

idk bout yt

[uncut vault]

you can on youtube, and theyre posting the full panels once theyre done

[fading lintel]

K thx

[silent urchin]

THey're posting recap blogs very quickly after the panels as well

[fading lintel]

I get to use my sis youtube account so i can watch blizzcon nnow

[daring heron]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-worldsoul-saga-is-set-to-conclude-by-2030-335918

[warm topaz]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Forum:BlizzCon_2023_Q%26A#Warcraft_Q&A_-_Saturday

[daring heron]

With The War Within set to release sometime before the end of next year, this would maintain the current cadence of approximately two years between each expansion, implying that each will be a full sized expansion, rather than any kind of accelerated schedule.

Warbands limits?
It's the entire account, all characters are in the same warband, even A/H characters

[warm topaz]

10.2.5 in PTR a few days after 10.2 comes out

[subtle oar]

WOOT!

NO ANNUAL XPACS THEN!

Thank fucking god

All worry alleviated and replaced with hype again!

Yuck

[daring heron]

and that is why we shouldn't have nice things lol

[warm topaz]

HAHAAHAH

[subtle oar]

No thnaks. I wanna enjoy the content and raids. TWW actually makes me wanna return to Retail Raiding

Nope.

df IS NOT DYING LMFAO

[daring heron]

except that this isn't shadowmemes

[subtle oar]

xDDDD

[daring heron]

Any cool stuff you've had to come back on for tech reasons?
Nope. One thing we're really excited about is the underground zone with the crystal light turning on/off and hooking that into how creatures react. Light/dark has also been super fun for the quest team to give them new things to play with. Since the light isn't on a timer, the quest team can be reactive to that. Lots of gameplay that happens on light changes.

Now that we know about three expansions, what's keeping players excited for the next two?
There will def be some fun surprises that we'll get to announce that will hopefully keep the hype train rolling. Because there is so much cool stuff showing, because we can share it once we expect to be able to blow people's socks off.

[warm topaz]

so Midnight is already in development

that is cool

[subtle oar]

You might get 2 raids in a single xpac, down from 3/4 normally and a single tier would be down from 6 months to 3/4 months. Way too much of a break-neck pace. Raiding would become the more unsatisfying way to play endgame

[daring heron]

With how we're all coming together in TWW, are we going to see a realignment of who's working with who? That is, over the course of the narrative, will hostile groups be working together?
Previously mentioned the elves coming together.

[novel zodiac]

how are they going to deliver faster if the worldsoul saga will last till 2030?

[subtle oar]

Nope

[novel zodiac]

doesnt make sense

[subtle oar]

The story can be delivered faster without disrupting gameplay and content flow.

Nope.

[warm topaz]

and workers time xdddd

[novel zodiac]

i dont get it, what does that mean

[daring heron]

What about 10.3?
No, but there's more story to tell between 10.2 and War Within.

not if your expack is shadowmemes

[rain cave]

@tropic trail @subtle oar I think you're both debating about separate issues

If the expansions have the same amount of content,it's fine if their yearly

If they don't then we're just paying the same for less

But also if the expansions are full length with this storytelling, I'm worried that we might get bored of things taking too long to resolve

But it just depends on how they are telling this really

Like if each xpac truly is a full xpac with a full story and deep exploration of that area instead of just feeling like stepping stones for the overarching plot

Basically, if they want to give us a hyper focused story over 3xpacs with a faster cadence so we can resolve the story but with the same amount of content overall. That's fine

But if they make people pay for less content that's not

And then an inverse for the longer xpacs regarding story length and cadence

[dense plover]

no way conduit of the celestials isnt brewmaster

shado-pan is the one that doesnt fit brewmaster

[subtle oar]

It will be impossible to deliver satisfying Raiding in a yearly xpac release. Raiding will cease to be fun. If you only enjoy Raiding as your endgame, you will be hardfucked by the break-neck pace of an annual release, not to mention paing $70 evry single year for less content on top of our Sub-fee.

[tawdry fjord]

Was that color coded sub-spec image speculation or confirmed? Think Fire and Arcane are likely swapped as well if it’s speculation

[dense plover]

pretty sure thats speculation

otherwise they wouldve confirmed it in the deep dive

[rain cave]

I mean I get what you're saying but we haven't had a patch in the past 4 years where patches didn't drag on as people got bored of the raid

[tropic trail]

Damn, I will be granny then

👀

[rain cave]

Imo raiding hasn't had issues with things going faster

Only things going slower

[tawdry fjord]

Thanks, my guess as well but wanted to see if I missed something

[subtle oar]

Nope. This is just flat out incorrect. Both 10.0 and 10/1 have felt great as tiers.

[rain cave]

Never said they didn't

I'm just saying that like rn if I logged on

Who tf is raiding

[subtle oar]

You literally just said there hasnt been a patch in the last 4 years, that would include this year lol

[rain cave]

What you said and what I said aren't mutual exclusive

They can be good patches that go on too long

[subtle oar]

Nope

[rain cave]

Yes we've seen it in like 8.3

5.4

[subtle oar]

6 months bare minimum for a Raid tier

[lone mantle]

Six mortal years are but a fleeting moment for a constellar.

[rain cave]

7.3

Also if they wanted to aim for 1.5 on some of this

I'm fine to that

I agree yearly is very fast

And even if I think it wouldn't harm the game on paper, it could harm the devs. Lose sight and get unfocused and rushed

[subtle oar]

18 months is less than satisfacory and will still in the end lead to the same problems of a yearly release but will take longer to be felt by the wider playerbase as a whole

[rain cave]

I'm curious what makes you think shorter releases gaps for the same content amount is bad

Like I'm not picking up the thing you are

So want to know, get more perspectives

[fading lintel]

what does that mean=?

[subtle oar]

This whole push for annual releases at full price is such a bane on the industry. Morally and ethically bankrupt

[rain cave]

I mean I'd assume if it was yearly they'd remove sub

That's my stipulation

So it would be fine to me

[fading lintel]

Wait so no yearly expansion buying?

[rain cave]

If it was yearly with sub I agree that's too much

[dense plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dynamic-flying-for-druid-flight-form-coming-in-the-war-within-335922?webhook

we got an answer

[fading lintel]

Wow nice

[subtle oar]

It will not be the same content. Period. You will lose a whole tier every xpac, not just by not having a 3rd raid, but by cutting the released tiers in half to fit withing a 12 month period.

[fading lintel]

OMG 11.0`
?

[rain cave]

But if it was yearly and you could play with gamepass or something or no sub

[dense plover]

so you cant pop it midair

but still

[subtle oar]

Will not happen.

[dense plover]

he wont listen

dont bother baifeng

[rain cave]

We don't know

It's a possibility you cannot deny even if you think it's small

Now they're a part of Microsoft

If its on the table anytime its now

[deep pawn]

So this saga ends by 2030 so that leans towards 2 year expacs but where's the evidence content is faster haha

[rain cave]

The first thing people say about WoW is usually repulsion to the sub model

[molten niche]

I highly doubt tge sub will go away of it does ot will be moved to like a seaspn bp there will still be the trading post but the season bp will have way cooler mounts and transmogd

[subtle oar]

Yes, I can and will deny it because it will not happen. They will still ask for 70$ per xpac plus sub fee even if they go for annual xpac release. They do that and I outright quit. Imagine wanting to be fleeced by a company and recieve less content at a breakneck pace in which you cant even enjoy it. Fucking hell.

[deep pawn]

There's a post saying this saga lasts through 2029, chill

[subtle oar]

The article has been updated to be "Before 2030:

Meaning they may still be planning for annual or near annual releases.

[rain cave]

leans towards 1.5 year xpacs with breathing room if they need it

I mean tbf eclipse is a smaller premise from what we heard

[fading lintel]

Do you know what money is

🥰

[deep pawn]

In past I'd say worst

[rain cave]

so it could be war within is a 2 year xpac, eclipse is shorter and final titan is the largest

[subtle oar]

Nope. Less content for for full price + sub fee, annually

[deep pawn]

First 6 months of legion and BfA were the worst of both

[subtle oar]

That is robbery

[rain cave]

we don't know if it's less content

could be same content faster

[subtle oar]

Fucking yikes

Yikes

[fading lintel]

Key word: For me

[rain cave]

consoom

[fading lintel]

Not for everyone

People have it harder economically

Soo

[rain cave]

inb4 they do it but add it to gamepass

and amp up the traders tender monetization

[subtle oar]

Literally braindead, consoomer ethically and morally bankrupt take. Lick that boot more and demand they charge us more too

[rain cave]

don't be so quick to judge

[deep pawn]

Gamepass sub but no tenders, keep separate WoW sub for 500 tenders and sub mounts

[rain cave]

some people only play WoW, the pricing is a bit predatory sure

I agree

[rain cave]

I was thinking something like this is in the cards

even if they aren't going to do it

you can't deny there is probably some talk of it internally

[deep pawn]

The early access is pretty minor since no weeklies are available

Still breaks up friends from playing

[warm topaz]

i mean, yeah bu

[warm topaz]

yep

[rain cave]

game pass only would give you base xpac tier access as well

[warm topaz]

exactly that

everyone is playing but not you

[rain cave]

so there is still sales for the xpacs special editions

[warm topaz]

that feels bad as fuck

[rain cave]

especially with early access, boosts, transmogs

[fading lintel]

I’m not even gonna argue with you about this

[rain cave]

could be they do game pass normal gives you sub, game pass ultimate gives you expansion access

[subtle oar]

Nope. You cant even pay for a sub in Russia nor game time. Price is higher for Brazilians due to the value of their dollar

[fading lintel]

Not EVERYONE can spend money however they want

[pulsar minnow]

I think it depends how they do the patches

[subtle oar]

Literally dont even know what youre talking about, Tomuk

[pulsar minnow]

If it’s like the top, I wouldn’t be mad. It’s overall more content over the course of like 6 years

[rain cave]

but yeah regardings tomukas, I'll defend him because some people just have different perspectives on spending in gaming

like sims players

we might look at things like the sims and scoff at the hundreds of dollars of DLC

but that's because we do other things

some people JUST play sims

so to them that's their spending hobby wise

[subtle oar]

Yeah, you would defend the one wanting us to pay more for less. Yikes.

[rain cave]

it's not ideal sure

[rain cave]

we don't know if it's less

this is an assumption

[subtle oar]

Literally yikes.

[rain cave]

metzen never said we want to give you less

he said

we want to give you the same

faster

[subtle oar]

Annual release in inherently more money for less content. Period. End of story

[rain cave]

I mean even if it is aggressive and a bit antisocial there is a point

but it's not for this convo

this convo is regarding people who already play WoW or are going to get into it

if current players are being priced OUT of WoW

that's an issue, a negative.

[deep pawn]

If 11.0 has 4 raids and no fated I'll defend the process, but if we get 8 dungeons, 3 raids, and one megadungeon as the formula I will complain loudly

[subtle oar]

It is impossible to make Raiding satisfying in a 3-4 month cycle. Majority of guild struggle to prog a single raid in its current tier until the very end of the tier already. And now you want them to not even complete a Raid before the next one comes out or completely lose 1/2 tiers every xpac

Gross

Thats on top of paying full price every 12 months

And sub fee

[deep pawn]

Eh? I think most guilds that want to get CE and can do now?

[rain cave]

this isn't an issue of cadence though

it's other things

usually in the last 2 months of a patch, things are quite dead raiding wise

[deep pawn]

And there's no evidence they want shorter than 5-6 month seasons

[subtle oar]

Heroic is the majority of play for guilds. Mythic are just the most stickiest of players.

[rain cave]

but considering they're lowering realm barriers for guild

open world gear progression

[deep pawn]

I haven't raided since August myself cause I finished the raid and gearing

[rain cave]

cross chgaracter progression

getting into a guild and raiding will be MUCH easier

cross realm mythic as well

[subtle oar]

Lmfao, literally have no idea what youre even talking about. Get blocked you corporate boot licker.

[rain cave]

but ALSO they are giving people other stuff to do if they can't do harder core raiding, that would make getting into raids easier

[deep pawn]

Like I would have been ecstatic if this season started at the end of September

[rain cave]

what about a 5month cycle

just knocking off that last dead month

there tends to be an issue in here with people not accepting other views, I dislike it

[deep pawn]

Season 1 was a bit fast, season 2 too slow, it's a mix of reasons for both

[rain cave]

but how are we feeling

5 month seasons, if they do that

[subtle oar]

"Sorry average player. You're just not allowed to enjoy the content you wanna do. Get fucked. Oh and pay more for less, cause haha fuck you,"

Nope. 4 months max., 5 if your lucky, 3 is the more likely.

We literally do. If we want 3 tiers, it would be 3 months per tier, though more than likely we'd lose an entire tier every single xpac due to a 12 month cycle.

You literally have no clue what you're even talking aboiut and just pretending to be this badass with lots of money "If youy cant afford 200$ a year then get fucked, literally cheap"

Fucking crimially stupid

[pulsar minnow]

Look while I don’t think a faster expansion cycle is inherently a bad thing, a 12 month cycle is a little ridiculous and gives no time to really flesh out an individual expansion at all

[fading lintel]

This is not very open minded

“Benefit me the most”

[pulsar minnow]

Well they have plans for them. We don’t know if they’re in full scale development yet

And that wasn’t my point either

Take DF. Condense it into a 12 month cycle. The expansion already has a problem with plot beats being “rushed” like the Vyranoth arc happening in 3 seconds

[fading lintel]

Vyranoth is not rushed pls

[pulsar minnow]

“Story continuation” doesn’t matter if the story doesn’t get time to breathe- which is why they’re trying the shorter expansion cycle. For longer stories

[fading lintel]

There are multiple cinematics where she slowly start seeing fyrakk is like mentally ill and psycho

and 1 patch where she realises he has become succumb to the void

and she is not rushed

[pulsar minnow]

All cinematics happen in the span of a single patch but ok

[fading lintel]

IMO

[fading lintel]

No

[deep pawn]

10.1.7 plot was absurdly rushed for me

[pulsar minnow]

Literally yes. There’s 3 in Fury Incarnate

[fading lintel]

10.1

[subtle oar]

Yes

[fading lintel]

Plus all the things in zaralek cavern when fyrrakk is beocme voidish

[pulsar minnow]

She was in the opening cinematic where they broke open the passage into Zaralek then left. She had like 3 lines

That’s not development

[subtle oar]

Vyanoth didnt care about that at all.

[pulsar minnow]

While I like Vyranoth’s character and DF as a whole it’s inexcusable that her arc in DF was rushed

I personally don’t mind an 18 month cycle. But 12 month cycle? Please no.

[deep pawn]

Vyranoth had her Alexstrasza cutscene then her Fyrakk what are you doing, and she flipped

In game she was absolutely rushed

[subtle oar]

18 is still going to cause issues in the long run, it will just takew the wider playerbase longer to feel its affects.

[fading lintel]

Well i would rather have vyranoth turning against her brother in 1-2 patches instead of 1,5 expansion

🥰

maybe that is just me

[deep pawn]

I'd prefer 18 months to fated I think

[pulsar minnow]

Well that’s not what I said at all lol.

And you’d agree with me then. Vyranoth’s arc took less than 1 patch to really develop. If it happened over the course of 10.1 then it’d make sense. But it just happened in 10.1.7

[subtle oar]

Id much rather 24 motnsh of a full xpac.

[pulsar minnow]

Idk what I really prefer. I didn’t like DF going to only .2 because I felt the story was rushed along a bit. Whether that’s because of blizzcon or not? I don’t know

Again- made this graphic

[uncut lintel]

the last titan = the last expansiion, RIP wow its gone

[pulsar minnow]

If we’re getting shorter expansions but shorter droughts- maybe it’s okay. Because if we’re getting more content over 6 years? Maybe that’s fine then

[fading lintel]

Df is not over tommarow the next expansion is coming fall 2024

[uncut lintel]

merry christmas

[pulsar minnow]

Well duh.

Doesn’t mean the story wasn’t fuckin rushed lmao

[pulsar minnow]

Seems to be more of a plan to do a soft reset of the game

They’re updating the old world and northerend

[uncut lintel]

: o

[pulsar minnow]

It’d be a waste to do that then end the game lmao

[uncut lintel]

xD

[fading lintel]

I dont get how that makes sense xD but ok

[pulsar minnow]

… and the old world. Yes.

[uncut lintel]

actually no just delete quelthalas

😏

[deep pawn]

I do believe DF story has been shallow and disjointed

Like do you know how crazy it feels to me that we aren't seeing Maruukai or Tuskarr helping defend Zaralek or the Dream?

Or the Niffen

[subtle oar]

Especially with the book depicting Vyranoth as extremely hatefilled and vehemently against Alexstraza and the other Aspects entirely

[deep pawn]

I love the Niffen

[uncut lintel]

aw come on they are cute

[subtle oar]

And yet in 2 short cinematics not even 3 months apart, she changes sides and joins Alex

[uncut lintel]

ok ill agree

they shouldnt add ugly one eyes beasts

: )

they are ugly

i dont need a mirror following me everywhere i go

if they add ogres

[subtle oar]

Ah yes, a troll and a bigot. Lovely.

[deep pawn]

I had honestly hoped for some of the book to focus on the meeting between Alex and Vyranoth after she swapped

[uncut lintel]

owo

the blue ice dragon thicc chick is named vyranoth

?

[subtle oar]

Yurp

[uncut lintel]

i thuoght only corrupted npcs had noth at the end of their name

[fading lintel]

i want sethrak race for horde and fish allied race from pandaria for alliance

What is fish race called again

[uncut lintel]

same

[fading lintel]

Then alliance will also get some some diversity

[subtle oar]

Sethrak would be Alliance, not Horde. The Alliance were their allies in BfA. Alliance evn helped the Sethrak burn a Vulperan village

[fading lintel]

Well the horde also help sethrak a little it was a Little neutral but if sethrak become alliance then horde can get naga and the naga can maybe transform into an elf like humanoid and then transform into naga when not on mounts

I want ogre too

And ogre are already apart of horde from long ago

[uncut lintel]

horde and alliance hlped sethrak

it could be both

but id be happy with either n

one

bcuz they r ugly

no

they look normally ugly

: )

[novel zodiac]

because earthen are so god damn beautiful lmao

trash race

[uncut lintel]

i dont even play elf

i hate elfs

i play vulpera, troll, dracthyr, and worgen : P

and space goat cause HAWT

thinking abt making a new panda tho

[fading lintel]

The earthen look good Imo they have so many costumization BUT is like the 34th dwarf race

[subtle oar]

[novel zodiac]

copium

[uncut lintel]

i wish we could of gotten like two races

[novel zodiac]

they look like garbage

[uncut lintel]

i dont want dwarves on horde

[warm topaz]

panda is goated man

[uncut lintel]

[novel zodiac]

dark iron dwarves are 1000 times better

[warm topaz]

panda is better race in wow

by far

[uncut lintel]

another pandy fan

pog

[subtle oar]

Poggers!

[thin warren]

Cuddlebears

[uncut lintel]

and ogres do?

[warm topaz]

i mean dracthyr neither

[uncut lintel]

no

[uncut lintel]

take it back

[warm topaz]

i love races in wow

[fading lintel]

Wasn’t pandas in warcraft 3

[warm topaz]

yes

XD

[uncut lintel]

they are only important for my kill 10 ogres quest

[subtle oar]

Yup

And Pandaren units too lol

[uncut lintel]

dont diss the pandas or u face the panda protection

[subtle oar]

Nope xD He was a wandering character. Was never banished

[fading lintel]

Well i love pandaren cuz i love pandaria and very thing there

[subtle oar]

xDDDDDDD

[warm topaz]

pandaria is goated too

[fading lintel]

ik

Jade forest music my fav

[warm topaz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979055063974682714/1016426020338933833/3x.gif

[novel zodiac]

ill never understand pandaren hatred when humans are right there

worse fucking race in the game (until now)

[subtle oar]

I bet Tomuk doesnt even know in VANILLA there was a quest to help an Orc brew master collect relics Chen Stormstout left in Durotar and the Barrens, to help him make a perfect Beer

[subtle oar]

Just salty, angry bigots.

[fading lintel]

Well i love every single race in game❤️ EXCEPT MECHA GNOME

abomination

[novel zodiac]

i dont like furrys but i do like pandaren kek

[fading lintel]

How is troll a furry

😭

[subtle oar]

Pfft. Cringe but ok

[fading lintel]

What does bases mean

based

[subtle oar]

Net slang for cool or awesome

[fading lintel]

Kk thx

[novel zodiac]

not as much as furrys

[subtle oar]

Bigotry, but at least you like Pandaren

[novel zodiac]

ill take that as a win

[fading lintel]

Do you guys wanna see my wow character

S

[novel zodiac]

there's a channel for transmogs

[fading lintel]

I meant screen share

[thin warren]

Furries are hot

[warm topaz]

this conversation is hilarious tonight HAHAAHAHA

guys you are the best

❤️

[rain cave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162787934827712746.webp?size=48&name=furrycum&quality=lossless

[rain cave]

I hope the evolved nerubians end up an allied race somehow

the way they're done just makes me think they will be

because they're more humanized that the other nerubians

[subtle oar]

Those ones are the ones loyal to their Queens and Xalatath, so not very likely at all

[rain cave]

and even just less scary, they have a more neutral/ pleasing look

[rain cave]

we also know that there is a faction of them moving against xal though

who don't like her influence

I guess to clarify, I mean the humanoid ones not specifically the evolved branch

[subtle oar]

Those ones didn't get evolved

[rain cave]

ok yeah mb

I just meant the humanoid nerubians

[pulsar minnow]

Based on how they described the nerubian zone it almost seems like… potentially endgame content?

[subtle oar]

Those are the evolved ones

[pulsar minnow]

Praying it’s like Suramar type content

[rain cave]

we don't know that

[subtle oar]

They literally said so, lol

[rain cave]

they showed a side by side of different nerubians, but it had all the types

[fading lintel]

I hope forhorde

[rain cave]

but it was comparing void vs not void

[pulsar minnow]

I mean they had the slide with the humanoid nerubians with “EVOLVED NERUBIAN” right next to them so

[fading lintel]

WAIT didnt blizzcon say that some nerubians wasnt following the queen

Maybe i a m just imiganig things

Imagining

[subtle oar]

The slide was that the Humaniod ones ARE the evolved ones

[rain cave]

yeah but those were the evolved nerubians that were humanoid at least

I'll doouble check

[pulsar minnow]

I know I’m agreeing with you

[subtle oar]

oh mb, I misread x3

[pulsar minnow]

All good

[rain cave]

also could be that they're not neccesarily evolved willingly

like the nightborne

[pulsar minnow]

I mean some could split off. Take the power and run kinda beat

[rain cave]

if it's done using old god blood, maybe some of them are just suffering it

or that yeah

[subtle oar]

They are. The Queen only offers the evolvotuion to her more favored and wealthy

[rain cave]

but I still think the humanoid forms are just another nerubian form

[subtle oar]

Its only given to the willing

[rain cave]

let me find the image

so yeah this was the evolved nerubians thing but it specifically shows void on them

whereas in this image, we see the same breeds twice but one of them have void bits

[subtle oar]

Because they were evolved by Xalatath

Thats how they become humanoid

[fading lintel]

Omg so cool

[rain cave]

because other kinds of nerubian evolve but retain their shape

it's just a void infusion to some

[fading lintel]

I wish ths is allied race for horde

[rain cave]

we will see

[fading lintel]

Maybe after we defeat the nerubian queen in the raid they are free

?

[subtle oar]

Only the ones on 2 feet in this pic are evolved

[fading lintel]

They dont have leader then

[subtle oar]

The rest are standard Nerubian breeds

[rain cave]

we don't know for sure

here we are

see some of the other breeds are voidy

[subtle oar]

We literally do. All those with the exception of the bipedal ones and the little insects we have encountered b4

Bipedal humanoid ones are the evolved ones. They said so on stage

[rain cave]

we don't. There has not been anything that explicitly shows us a nerubian evolving into the bipedal

they just said there ARE evolved nerubians

[subtle oar]

They LITERALLY said it

[rain cave]

and they showed the concept art of one using void

when abouts

[fading lintel]

Didnt the evolved nerubians become evolved thru the nerubian queen having a pact with xalatath

[rain cave]

so this art is tagged evolved nerubian tbf

and I still think these are the evolved nerubians

[cunning sleet]

That would be such a sick AR

[rain cave]

but I'm just also saying that all the evolved nerubians use void

and they could also evolve while retatining shape

like the bipedal ones could be an individual caste before evolution

but even if they do evolve they can still be an AR

like the nightborne

manari kinda

zandalari

just because they were enemies doesn't mean they will stay enemies

[cunning sleet]

Someone at Blizzcon said the Nerubians are having a war amongst themselves.

[uncut lintel]

OHLY

HOYL

[rain cave]

yes there's political maneuvering going on

[subtle oar]

https://youtu.be/tMDQzaRsVqc?t=901 @rain cave

[fading lintel]

Well the nerubian become evolved because xalatath and the nerubian queen have a pact and the nerubians were gifted this evolution

Only some of them were

[cunning sleet]

I think it's very possible they could be a future AR

[rain cave]

it's still not explicit here

[uncut lintel]

I DIDNT KNO I WAS INTO BUG UNTILL NOW AYO

[rain cave]

but I do think the bipedals are the evolved

still

[subtle oar]

The evolution is the Bipedal ones, to be Paragons of their race

[rain cave]

we just

don't know

[subtle oar]

Yes, we do

Jesus dude

[rain cave]

even if that's the indication

[fading lintel]

Xalatath owns the nerubians as her own army she is building it

[rain cave]

all she says is they embrace the modifications, not what those are

again. It's implied but it isn't live or concrete yet

[cunning sleet]

She owns some of them, maybe even most of them, but not all of them.

[subtle oar]

No. She LITERALLY SAID, the Evolution is the humanoid ones as Paragons of their race.

[rain cave]

she doesn't even say the word humanoid

[subtle oar]

Come on man, ya gotta stop being a contrarian at some point

[rain cave]

I'm not I'm just don't like when people are too concrete about things

like we don't know a lot here

we know the premise, not the specifics

[fading lintel]

Xal’atath has conscripted the nerubian queen, Ansurek, and offered her people a new future in which they would rise from their isolation and become a mighty kingdom once again. We will not find the nerubian soldiers of the Lich King here, but a mighty stronghold of nerubians as they once were—deadly survivors of the mythic wars that have played out again and again over thousands of years.

In return for their loyalty, Xal’atath has granted the nerubians the means of a dark evolution that will turn the nerubians into a new kind of ferocious and terrifying soldiers.

[subtle oar]

No, youre trying to be a contrarian despite all the evidewnce against you

[fading lintel]

Readd

[rain cave]

I'm not trying to be contrarian

I also think the evolved ones are the bipedals

[subtle oar]

They are the only evolved ones.

[rain cave]

I'm just saying it's only a thought, not a fact

[subtle oar]

The rest of the typical Nerubian breeds we have seen before

[rain cave]

there could be more evolved ones, the bipedals could also be a normal race

we do not know

[subtle oar]

Nope

[rain cave]

but we have been led to believe that the bipedals are the evolved ones

[subtle oar]

We do, you just refuse to believe what the Devs have said

[fading lintel]

. We will not find the nerubian soldiers of the Lich King here, but a mighty stronghold of nerubians as they once were—deadly survivors of the mythic wars that have played out again and again over thousands of years.

yes we know

[rain cave]

all the devs have said is that there are evolved version

[fading lintel]

there no evolved

nerubians

without xalatath

[rain cave]

pheo different convo

[fading lintel]

Oh k

[rain cave]

that's not related

nw

but yeah look at stuff like undead, there are many kinds of undead

can be many kinds of evolved nerubians

we know there are other nerubian breeds/types wielding void

[novel zodiac]

if evolved races are a thing now

[rain cave]

so void is not exclusive to the bipedals, and not every bipedal is shown wielding void. This doesn't rule out the fact that all the bipedals could be evolved as we know anyone can wield anything, and just because you are infused/spawned from 1 power doesn't bar you from another.

[novel zodiac]

i want gnolls and furbolgs to evolve, and make them playable

[rain cave]

case and point void elves, lightforged, orcs, etc

[harsh mason]

Thrall and Jaina are confirmed in Chapter 5 in 10.2

[fading lintel]

Didnt u say u dont like furry

[rain cave]

in my head, the evolved ones are the bipedals, but I also think there are others who evolve and just change in other ways. Afterall the queen probably won't just be a normal bipedal nerubian

and i also think that just because they evolve, doesn't make them necessarily with xalatath or against us

[harsh mason]

https://x.com/warcraft_wiki/status/1720944374954315808?s=46&t=JnHiP_kKibjOKbPmUfJMWQ

[novel zodiac]

i dont like furry people, not races with fur

not the same thing

[rain cave]

as someone said, some could just be taking the power. Maybe some have to do it go stay politically safe, or felt pressured to do it.

[tulip sun]

Where'd they see that??

[rain cave]

after all, even if they said the evolved ones are paragons. They're still meant to be an army. Which implies they're conscripting their army to evolve

[cunning sleet]

Couldn't Sylvanna's sister potentially manipulate the void to gain some of the Nerubians?

[fading lintel]

Alleria

[cunning sleet]

Yeah

Thank you.

[subtle oar]

Cringe

[rain cave]

so you don't like people?

[novel zodiac]

yes yes, i know

[rain cave]

xd

[fading lintel]

Well maybe but if i understand it right alleria is working against nerubians but That is very cool concept

[harsh mason]

Now on blizzcon, people were given to play Chapter 5, which was not available on ptr

[tulip sun]

I'm glad the factions came to help- I wonder if anyone else is there

[cunning sleet]

True, but there is also a faction of Nerubians that are rebelling.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[fading lintel]

Yyea

i really like earthen but like this is just another re-skin so it feels a little boring

[tulip sun]

If you see any more details let me know please 🙂

[cunning sleet]

The Horde needs love too. Now I want to see the Alliance get trolls lol

[novel zodiac]

its not that them being a re-skin is boring, the re-sking they got is boring

dark iron dwarves are cool as fuck

[fading lintel]

True

[fading lintel]

Well horde got all the good allied races no offense to alliance but alliance got like all re-skin allied races except 1 and thats kul tiran while horde get nightborne vulpera zandalari troll which look very difrent from other races

[cunning sleet]

True

[rain cave]

my issue with dark irons is how they're too tied to fire

and plate armor

so playing other things on them feels weird to me

like frost mage dark iron dwarf? what?

[fading lintel]

Guys are all nerubians apart of xalatath plan

Sorry is for my wow forums reply

[novel zodiac]

if we're returning to quel'thalas in Midnight, are they going to past the revmaped zone in EK or its going to be instanced like the BC version?

[gloomy sleet]

they mentioned they would work on zones that we go to in the current expac, but a full on revamp all at once isn't going to happen since it would be super time consuming

[silent urchin]

I suspect it's gonna be a whole new zone, the actual quel'thalas is tiny

[gloomy sleet]

so a fix it as needed approach it sounds like

[rain cave]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1720914526810349731?s=20

[novel zodiac]

they dont have to revamp every zone in EK, just paste the new Quel'thalas in EK

[gloomy sleet]

I know, but people have been asking for old zone revamps, and yes they will probably just paste an updated version of quel'thalas onto the EK map(or at least I hope that's what they'll do)

[novel zodiac]

i hope so to, getting a revamp and it being an instanced zone like BC quel'thalas would suck so much

[silent urchin]

Only about 1/4 into scaleborn but I'm definitely a bit surprised harrowsdeep wasn't mentioned in the reveal

Although I wouldn't be surprised if we hear about it in 10.2.5/7

[deep pawn]

I'm personally hoping if we have an entire expansion dedicated to Quel'thalas it's much much bigger

So make Silvermoon, Eversong Woods, Ghostlands, and Amani Highlands as their levelling zones, Quel'Danas as a patch zone maybe

[tulip sun]

The zones are gonna be soooo much bigger

[rain cave]

could even have the xpac be like a siege

start in lordaeron

fight our way through stage by stage

till we reach the city, and then in the raid have to fight our way over to isle of queldanas

[pulsar minnow]

I had an insane thought. So with S4 likely being a fated repeat- what are the rewards gonna be? Last expansion for m+ we got a final recolor of the death elemental. And in DF they’ve confirmed past S3 the M+ mounts are gonna be dragonriding. Sure it could be just some random transformation. But what if it’s a Vyranoth transformation for the Renewed Proto Drake? She’s the only one we’ve allied with so it’s not like we’re gonna be looting it from her corpse

Also, the fan demand for the slime cat ended up driving it to be a reward from fated raids, so maybe the Vyranoth form could be in DF fated?

But I also had another idea for a really sick final reward from DF:

https://external-preview.redd.it/Ve0F2U-TA5I73DSmXAgQH0hIi-qBPAknckkIEChbUA8.jpg?auto=webp&s=26fff08c6acc909635d12e0525afa0863d98a045

How cool would it be if we got the scrapped Wrathion form as a Highland Drake transformation. From DF Fated? Sure it’s weird but we already have a Deathwing mount so 🤷‍♂️

[rain cave]

meh imo

jsut give wrathion the model ;p

[silent urchin]

🤔

so no 10.3, but maybe more than just 2.5 and 2.7?

they kinda don't actually clarify

also confirmed that the big light is NOT the tip of the sword

[deep pawn]

which interview is that?

oh I see it

[silent urchin]

new wowhead one

[dense plover]

could still be a new mega dungeon or storylines

[pulsar minnow]

“The three expansions - is it the end of the saga, or is it the end of Wow?
Tina Wang: No, you heard the hype. Just opening the chapter for another twenty. This is just one story that is too much to do in one expansion at a time, and then it's kind of awkward for people... we want to let them know we have an epic story planned that's too much for a single expansion”

Oh thank god

[dense plover]

they explicitly said it was the end of THIS storyline

and was meant to set up the NEXT 20 YEARS

idk how anyone thought "wow is ending"

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I know but it wasn’t exactly clear. It puts to rest the “WoW 2” stuff.

[silent urchin]

could still be a wow 2

although there's gonna be a lot of continuity anyway if they do that

I don't really see a reason to not just keep going with the incremental improvements each expansion

[dense plover]

" So we get to go on adventures with Dagran. He's not a weird baby in a crib with heavy eyebrows anymore, he's actually grown up. "

AMAZING

Dagran finally relevant

[silent urchin]

so now he's a weird teenager in a crib?

[dense plover]

lol

[pulsar minnow]

I think porter already found dagran, posted smth on twitter about Moira and this random dwarf next to her

[subtle oar]

Not thanks. I'd rather not have the IP be completely killed

[dense plover]

direct confirmation of silvermoon being updated

(in midnight obviously)

[dense plover]

dagran has been around for a while

as a baby in crib

[pulsar minnow]

I know.

His full grown model.

Thats what I'm talking about.

[dense plover]

this is a bit disappointing, wouldve liked them SLIGHTLY longer

but good overall

[tulip sun]

Also seemingly Moira being absent/missing?

And does thus mean he will become King

@uncut vault You see them mention Moira and Dagran in the interview?

Seems likely that may be who is beside moira

[deep pawn]

He's like 17, do dwarf beards just explode the second puberty hits?

He was born year 28 roughly, he'd be 12 at the start of DF...

If he's 14 and looking that old lol

But Anduin did start his adventures at 15

[tulip sun]

They say he's of age

I think he's closer to 18

[deep pawn]

the time gap doesn't work, he was a literal baby in year 28

I guess he was a toddler

Dagran was killed in year 25, let's assume she became pregnant shortly before he died and Dagran II was born in year 26, he'd be at best 14 or so.

Okay he was 6-7 in year 33, let's go with 7 and he was born 26 ADP

So 14 at the start of DF, at best he's 16 in 11.0

[ionic terrace]

it's most likely him yea

said this another discord but he's wearing the bronzebeard armor

and it matches his BtS appearence

[pulsar minnow]

yeah he's got the white hair and grey skin

[deep pawn]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-Iirx9akAAoipI?format=png&name=small

That just doesn't look 16

[pulsar minnow]

hes a dwarf dude

like

he's gonna have a beard

[subtle oar]

I imagine Dwarf children having beards lol

[dense plover]

do we know when dwarves are physically adults?

like orcs grow super fast

also a 16 year old can absolutely look like an adult

source: im a high school teacher

[ionic terrace]

i don't think we do

[tulip sun]

I looked so old in even middle school 💀

[deep pawn]

The non-canon RPG books say dwarves and gnomes hit majority at 40 years old, but that is like generic dwarf rpg timeframe

Muradin is supposedly 221 years old in WC3

Gidwin the dwarf from EPL in Cata is an adult about 18-20 based on speculation.

[dense plover]

could be we are getting another minor timeskip?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep pawn]

maybe

It is Azeroth, outside of Anduin you go from child model to "40 year old veteran" over night haha

[novel zodiac]

i just read that a proper revamp its unlikely to happend and i got sad 😦

if it got done in cata why cant happen now with better technology and more people

[ember blaze]

most people dont care if the barrens get an hd upgrade

[dense plover]

because theres no reason to redo zones people arent actively in

so theyre instead planning to revisit some areas and redo them when they do that

it makes far more sense

90% of cata zones were only important while leveling

and that really only mattered because of the zones needing to be changed for flying

[deep pawn]

I personally wanted a revamp that used the whole old world even if each continent was smaller, but was combined zones

My idea was Western and Eastern Kalimdor, Stormwind and Khaz Modan as levelling zones.

Then Northern Kalimdor and Lordaeron as patch zones

[molten niche]

stormwind is a city lol how can that bea lvling zone gg

[deep pawn]

Stormwind as the kingdom vs the old name "Azeroth"

[novel zodiac]

all i know is that everymonth when i have to go to the trading post it feels like shit

because orgrimmar looks like shit, so does every zone in Kalimdor and EK

[ember blaze]

org and stormwind sure since theyre always relevant, but outside of that, none of those will ever matter for long

[blazing granite]

Something I've been thinking about

It is pointed that Tyr's memories before his death that we gather in 10.1 were never meant to end up in his body

They will definitely affect whatever choices he will make in 10.2 / 10.2.5.

The novel implies that he would go against the Aspects some way if they were to stand against his will (and they're going to at the end of DF, clearly), even without him knowing of their incoming "betrayal"

Since they go on showing him doing a compassionate thing (sacrificing himself for the safety of the vrykul; the Draenei girl gets the most focus with her "compassion" schtick), in contrast to his previous uncompassionate actions, it will be used to stop his hostility and calm him down

[blazing granite]

Wonder if they'll manage to do a Dwarf teenager that looks natural

[harsh mason]

We will find out in a few days what will happen in 10.2.5

[thin warren]

Can't wait!

[austere gazelle]

not that they never meant to end up in his body. That it was just a very small figment of his memories that would not do anything to reawaken him, but they tried nonetheless. And OFC it was never on the silver scale because Tyr uploaded his memories on this scale before leaving to his doom

In time, Nozdormu felt the energy that transcends time in the Silver Scale and believed that this would enable them to collect memories that Tyr did not implement on the scale.

( Because those memories comes after he uploaded them )

[harsh mason]

I wonder if the new members of tyr's guard will play any role

I think they would fit perfectly into hallowfall

[austere gazelle]

I think they'll rebuild the order of the Silver Hand under a new guidance, after all, it was named after Tyr. And they will play a role in Midnight

[harsh mason]

Well, also, if Alex goes against the Titans, then we can be with them on different sides of the conflict

[blazing granite]

If they were to stick to his instructions, they wouldn't try any other method but his disc. And his final sacrifice/speech on the mortals is smth that obviously goes morally in contrast against his previous actions (the order on the primal eggs, the attempts to bring the primal dragons in line, the facility in Thaldraszus)

He also agreed on Alexstrasza's demand to leave the unabandoned eggs be, but I doubt it'll be brought up

[blazing granite]

Not a fan of the name, to be honest

Something like Veil of Shadows would be better

[warm topaz]

i think Midnight is so cool

i like the word

[warm topaz]

i want to see Elisande on 10.2

so excited for that

[sonic flame]

lil question from a non df player

currently, how does the dragon riding outside of dragonflight work?

I figured in next xpac we'll be able to fly at level 10 since df is the new confirmed leveling xpac

but I'm tryin to understand

if we'll also be able to use it outside, straight form level 10 or not

if there's a level requirement right now, then it will be applied there too probably

[thin warren]

now you can only dragonfly on the dragon isles

in 11.0 it will be called dynamic flight and you can use it as soon as you can fly, i didn't read about a level requirement

you can just toggle it on or off in the options

[sonic flame]

but I've heard it's gona be available outside df zones in df aswell?

maybe in next patch?

[thin warren]

in next patch, iirc, you can do normaly flying in dragon isles if you get the pathfinder achievement

but no dragonflying in other zones yet

[sonic flame]

oh, so not the oppsite? I had heard that there were cups ( the circuits thingy ) on non df contents

already

[thin warren]

yep, but there you can only dragonfly the racepath, so not free

[sonic flame]

oh I see, that's a bit silly

I had foreseen they'd let us toggle between flight modes

I was hoping they'd let us do that while flying, tho

swapping to normal flying would have been good to maximize while vigor recharges

[thin warren]

haha, can't have everything

[sonic flame]

yeah XD

if we get to dynamic fly in all zoens at 10 I'll be fine

[thin warren]

and might be a bit op, dynamic flying very high up and then switching to normal to just regenerate, maybe it doesn't regenerate if you are still up in the air?

[sonic flame]

well keep in mind I never used dragonflying cause I never played df itself, but I know that you get burst of MS while using vigor, and then you have to wait for it to recharge, and eventually you reach a point whee your speed diminishes below the standard 310%

not sure if that's correct but that's the hint I take by watching videos

[thin warren]

it only recharges if you fly fast enough, so if you go up you slow down and you don't regeneratie vigor, but with the max of 6 vigor you are normally pretty safe

[warm topaz]

yep ion said on 10.2.5

[dense plover]

Yeah

10.2.5 has dynamic flight in old world

[tulip sun]

Of which we should have the ptr up within a week

[warm topaz]

idk if dracthyr and druids on 10.2.5 too

[tulip sun]

An interview said a few days after 10.2 launch

[dense plover]

druids are 11.0

[novel zodiac]

No way lol, remember Durak?

[dense plover]

dracthyr idk

[harsh mason]

Damn, wowhead is posting such spoiler videos again

I understand perfectly well that if it's in the files, then it's public domain, but lol, need to know the edges at least a little

[blazing granite]

What spoilers?

[harsh mason]

How Fyrakk imbues it’s axe with the essence of Smolderon

[silent urchin]

They're on the youtube channel, not a wowhead post yet

some of it was likely from the chapter 5 playable at blizzcon

first one has the cube, presumably still has an encrypted model

[harsh mason]

This now explains how he opens portals to firelands with an axe. Druids enchanted the axe on the way to the emerald dream, and the soul of Smolderon on the way to firelands

[upper pasture]

Ion had then”what sword” on day 2 and I literally was like “please tell me y’all are selling this shirt”

He was like “yeah and actually it’s available now” 🤣

[blazing granite]

Chapter 5 requires finishing the raid?

[harsh mason]

Chapter 5 goes before the raid

But I could be wrong

[silent urchin]

yeah not sure why the raid cinematic was out

but the other one seems likely to be pre-raid, chapter 5

[tulip sun]

You think so? I would've assumed Earthen would get them in that case.

[dense plover]

we were talking about flight form being dynamic flight

[tulip sun]

Oh, my bad

[dense plover]

they said in an interview yesterday (i think), that it would be 11.0

but i could be wrong

[subtle oar]

10.2.5 if when we get to Dynamic Fly outside of the Dragon Isles with no restrictions

[tulip sun]

I believe thats right

[harsh mason]

Well, these are essentially ordinary cutscenes, they are not encrypted even in raids.

[blazing granite]

No, its after Smolderon is killed in the raid

[novel zodiac]

they confirmed season 4 and fated raids

Dinar system was "too generous" lmao

[little hound]

I mean, it was well deserved as a bonus seeing how shite SL was

And seeing as the 1st Dinar quest took what..3-5 WEEKS of raiding to complete? Nah. Not generous

[warm topaz]

s4 is like upgrade system, universally positive

instead of having 6 month of patch with nothing to do

[harsh mason]

Well... now there is a wowhead post, lol

[deep pawn]

Dinars were cause it was a 3 month fated

Odds are we're looking at 5-6

[harsh mason]

6 months season 3 and 3 months season 4. I think TWW may come out in August

Like BfA

[novel zodiac]

even if s4 will last 5 or 6 months

its the end of the expansion

we should get more dinars because it doesnt matter anymore

[deep pawn]

TWW is coming out last week of September the earliest

[glass flicker]

Guys, guys!

What sword?

[deep pawn]

They already confirmed fall 2024

[glass flicker]

XDDDD

It's funny because it's a joke said by devs.

Right? 😐

[thin warren]

well, did they mean the meteorological fall or the astrological one?

in best case it could be first week of september!

[deep pawn]

Blizzard always uses astrological

[upper pasture]

The shirt is hilarious

[glass flicker]

I ordered it.

[crystal pond]

https://youtu.be/VGA9HwjaTG0?feature=shared
THE CUBE

[upper pasture]

Me too, lol as soon as I saw ion wearing his I asked him 😂

[glass flicker]

I hope there's an unlimited stock.

[upper pasture]

I was actually surprised to see him at the Hilton after party too.

[harsh mason]

Shadowflame has changed him a lot...

[crystal pond]

Indeed

[deep pawn]

oof, the axe isn't 100% drop

[upper pasture]

But bad luck initially is great first step

[deep pawn]

make it a long deterministic quest if you have to

oranges shouldn't be rng

[cosmic beacon]

Cata did legendaries right

Like 2 months of effort but u get to start the quest guaranteed

[upper pasture]

I think a mix of both would be preferred but sorely rng feels bad. Trust me I main Evoker and it took 16 weeks after BLP

[cosmic beacon]

I still haven’t had the evoker lego drop after 12 kills

[upper pasture]

Yeah it should be like say maybe a 10% drop increasing each week

[cosmic beacon]

And that’s after the luck change

Which seems to be none existent

[upper pasture]

(By 10%) that is

Oh trust me I know 😂

[cosmic beacon]

Meanwhile 2 guildies got fresh evokers and got it first kill

Feels terrible

[upper pasture]

Oof yeah we had a Evoker come in on our 14th kill after blp and it dropped for him and not me.

[cosmic beacon]

Like I probably won’t even bother after next week and that’ll just put me off playing the class cause I miss out on a dope mog

Cause bad game design

[upper pasture]

Yeah, it definitely didn’t feel good. I’m hopeful the axe is somewhat better a mix of drop/quests would be great

[deep pawn]

the fact they say it has BLP is eh...

the starting quest will be a drop again

they didn't learn

[cosmic beacon]

I mean if the blp was actually noticeable for evokers it wouldn’t be that bad

But spending like 3 months+ farming a drop with some “bad luck protection” is just stupid

[upper pasture]

I mean, BLP will still be in place and hopefully at a higher scale than Evoker leggo

Yeah the thing is it wouldn’t have been “fair” for them to tweak it so late so they were kinda stuck so hopefully the learned that increasing the drop rate by 1% or 0.5% each kill wasn’t enough. So maybe the balance will be better

I’m just gonna figured out how I’m gonna convince my guild to let me raid on my paladin to start my axe 😂

[molten niche]

where is the proof it is a drop?

[deep pawn]

the fact bad luck protection has to exist for it?

[little hound]

they literally said it would be FROM Fyrakk, and would be almost the same as gettin Nasz'uro

[molten niche]

lol where is that proof? last i heard they nvr annouced how to get it

[little hound]

Read wowhead instead of putting up a passive aggressive tone, like anyone with common sense ?

[molten niche]

how aobut just link the article easier to find that way fucking sheep instead of getting all offended by me being "passive aggressive" u must play alliance for sure

[little hound]

This kid malding over simple facts, nice Someone didn't get their Nasz'uro for christmas. And nah mate sorry, Horde player for 16 Years.

[molten niche]

yea i gave up trying to get the wep. ran it to many times for it not worth the hassle

rather play other classes

still cant find what yall are reading for this axe. wowhead is shit

[little hound]

Try MMO Champ then.

[warm topaz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/631796832971915275/1046100837493129216/EA003E9F-FD60-4B34-AD28-04FC1E670924.gif

[crystal pond]

So uh
This channel will be full of fake leaks but this time 5 years in a row?

[upper pasture]

At least we will have the general theme correct LOL

[novel zodiac]

you think leak season is over with 3 expansions announced? or they'll try to "leak" patches now

[pulsar minnow]

That and leak features

We only know the theme and setting for the next two after TWW

[upper pasture]

They will 100% try to leak box features and since they have the broad setting of the expansion they will be able to be that much more convincing

[deep pawn]

😄

Ion had to come on reddit to say either he misunderstood the question or the summary was wrong

[warm topaz]

wait where

[upper pasture]

There’s a link in #latest-news

[warm topaz]

yep just saw it

i would like to see the reddit post

[upper pasture]

Ah, I don’t have that link but maybe a quick google could suffice.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/mUpPOgH19N

[warm topaz]

yep just found it

good timings

[upper pasture]

There ya go

[warm topaz]

LMAO

[upper pasture]

Hehe

Slow airplane internet what can I say

[warm topaz]

whats your thoughts on what we seen this weekend @upper pasture