My point was we know that the entities blood doesn't mean they're dead.
#beta-ptr-spoilers
marsh star
autumn dagger
quoting porter regarding the sword/crystal debacle
rain cave
little hound
My point was we know that the entities blood doesn't mean they're dead.
Is it really worth debating when they've literally put it on a HUGE Digital screen saying "OLD GODS ARE DEAD!"..
harsh mason
So far, it has been confirmed that the final boss of the first raid will be the Nerubians queen
Iridikron was literally not mentioned once
finite iron
I'm pretty cheesed at warlocks. this is all their fault for setting Xal loose. The rest of us were able to do out artifact weapon business without unleashing any existential threats.
fading lintel
Is it really worth debating when they've literally put it on a HUGE Digital scre...
Sorry i might be wrong cuz im new to the game but wasnt old gods like unkillable
silent urchin
Y';shaarj was dead and yet also the basis for most of MoP
rain cave
iridikrying
autumn dagger
I'm pretty cheesed at warlocks. this is all their fault for setting Xal loose. T...
priests
shadow priests
finite iron
oh right. can you tell I don't play those classes?
silent urchin
I'll have you know my Xal'atah is still stuck in my bank somewhere
fading lintel
OMG IK im not debating it
im just saying that i have heard multiple people say old gods unkillable
silent urchin
iirc there was a quest in BFA with xal'atah that everyone did
finite iron
I got a gun with a lightning puppy. no old gods here
silent urchin
plus ofc, killing n'zoth
harsh mason
Sorry i might be wrong cuz im new to the game but wasnt old gods like unkillable
The fact that they are dead was confirmed even after the announcement of SL
little hound
im just saying that i have heard multiple people say old gods unkillable
Unofficial claims at best, least its confirmed now.
fading lintel
Oh k
daring heron
are they, though?
autumn dagger
"That is not dead which can eternal lie, / And with strange aeons even death may die."
harsh mason
The influence of the old gods can continue from his blood or body parts (e.g. heart). But physically they are dead
marsh star
The fact that they are dead was confirmed even after the announcement of SL
There was an internal leak before Shadowlands that the Old Gods being dead does not mean that they can't come back. The original plan according to the leak was that they would be revived after Shadowlands.
daring heron
"That is not dead which can eternal lie, / And with strange aeons even death may...
at first I thought this was a quote from metallica's the thing that should not be, but it's just lovecraftian stuff
little hound
Azshara, MAH QUEEN
autumn dagger
There was an internal leak before Shadowlands that the Old Gods being dead does ...
don't they go back to the voidlands?
fading lintel
don't they go back to the voidlands?
Yea that is what i meant that they can be killed in materialistic realm but not in void realm
idk if that make sense
finite iron
previously, they'd said that the old gods couldn't be SAFELY killed. there were four, and the only way the Titans could kill one, Y'sarrj, was to physically yank him out of Azeroth, which created catastrphic damage (the well of eternity). so the imprisoned the rest and said "we can't kill them". But I guess 25 mortals are more powerful than the titans these days
marsh star
don't they go back to the voidlands?
The original leak was that they were "sleeping" in Nya'lotha; but no idea if that is the angle they're going for. We know then judging by Midnight that the void is gonna aim to corrupt the sun well - the void lords can't enter this universe; so they're going to use Xalatath etc to do that.
daring heron
why can't they enter azeroth?
autumn dagger
yeah
marsh star
Is xalatath a old god`?
She's a servant of the Old Gods
finite iron
no. she's a servent of the void
marsh star
Sorry yes - void not old gods
marsh star
The Old Gods are like the Henchmen of the Void Lords
finite iron
well the old gods are servents of the void too
fading lintel
Thx
autumn dagger
because she got killed by the other old gods
marsh star
This was the original leak I was referring to
harsh mason
There was an internal leak before Shadowlands that the Old Gods being dead does ...
It was said in an interview that their bodies are dead. Yes, perhaps they can return to their dimension, but from the point of view of physiology they are dead.
little hound
This was the original leak I was referring to
Yeah, that was as fake as it got.
marsh star
No idea if it was ever confirmed; to have been true or just a shitpost
daring heron
sooo the old gods and the void lords are antagonizing each other?
little hound
I remember seeing that YEARS Ago, but that's confirmed fake
daring heron
cuz it seems like the old gods are jus the void's incarnates
autumn dagger
and they are void sent
bc the void lords cannot enter the material realm
much like the shadowlands, there's a veil separating them
even more than the shadowlands
daring heron
subtle oar
This was the original leak I was referring to
What a better SLands this would have been
finite iron
the Voidlords are so extra super powerful, but are stuck outside the universe, trying to get in. the most they can do, though, is kinda hock loogies into the universe. these loogies land on planets and take root. THESE are Old Gods. the super powerful and terrifying Old Gods are merely byproducts of the Voidlords spitting at us. The goal is for an old god to take root on a planet with a world soul and corrupt the developing titan so that it becomes a powerful servent of the void as well, and basically opens the door for the voidlords.
autumn dagger
the Voidlords are so extra super powerful, but are stuck outside the universe, t...
this
but also the old gods fight between each other for the planet
daring heron
what's so special about azeroth that the void lords want it so bad
autumn dagger
it's the last titan soul
marsh star
what's so special about azeroth that the void lords want it so bad
It's the most powerful sleeping titan
fading lintel
but also the old gods fight between each other for the planet
Yea before well of eternity split azeroth right?
They had occupied diferent parts of azerot
autumn dagger
precisely
finite iron
but also the old gods fight between each other for the planet
there's usually not more than one old god on a planet. we're just lucky, I guess
deep pawn
Well clearly she's the last Titan
daring heron
also isn't sargeras stuck in argus fighting illidan?
deep pawn
Perhaps the last Titan in all timelines
daring heron
wait so that means even argus is dead??
subtle oar
the Voidlords are so extra super powerful, but are stuck outside the universe, t...
Yurp. A fraction of a sliver of Dimentious vaporized Karesh with such intense Arcane energy, looking to devour the planet that is ripped the Ethereals mortal bodies apart, turning them into the Cloth-wrapped beings they all today
deep pawn
Argus is very dead
autumn dagger
argus's soul was used to disrupt the creation of a new judge in the SL
or whatever her name was
so the blue dude had to ascend into being a judge
whatever his name was
daring heron
pelagos?
autumn dagger
that
marsh star
pelagos?
bruh just let the void lords in and consume us i don't want shadowlands lore anymore
daring heron
wait, was argus' soul one of the sigils the jailer used to destroy the shadowlands?
autumn dagger
no
daring heron
I don't remember this part
daring heron
was it in sepulcher?
subtle oar
also isn't sargeras stuck in argus fighting illidan?
He is imprisoned in the Seat of the Pantheon with Illidan as his Jailer
daring heron
ah
fading lintel
He is imprisoned in the Seat of the Pantheon with Illidan as his Jailer
what is seat of the pantheon
autumn dagger
the place where all the titans are seated
fading lintel
K thx
autumn dagger
it shows up at the end of legion
finite iron
All of this was why Sargeras was so keen to destroy Azeroth. He was the Titans' most powerful warrior and their cleanup guy. he went around killing demons and shit. but he found a corrupted worldsoul and learned what was going on with the void. He realized that there was no defeating the voidlords if they ever got their way into the universe and it would be better to end everything now instead of letting it be corrupted later. so he went a little crazy, took command of the demons, and went on a mission of mercy killing the universe. In particular, Azeroth, since she's going to be the most powerful titan, and if she were corrupted, that's the ballgame.\
autumn dagger
where they defeat argus and imprison sargeras
fading lintel
is giving taylor swifts promotion and sponsor for her album midnights which basically came out 1 year ago xD
The expansion midnight
autumn dagger
All of this was why Sargeras was so keen to destroy Azeroth. He was the Titans' ...
jailer communicating all these via nethrazim
marsh star
(better picture)
What do we think about the logos?
fading lintel
(better picture)
What do we think about the logos?
Midnight is very Void and the last titan is very titan
autumn dagger
midnight's looks like one of those ethereal portals
fading lintel
Oh yea
autumn dagger
or a corrupted sunwell from above
fading lintel
Do you see the ethereal note that say they are like watch us?
daring heron
and the war within looks like an exploded azeroth
pulsar minnow
(better picture)
What do we think about the logos?
Really interesting to see them move away from the old logo shape tbh
silent urchin
Seems like the same circle
autumn dagger
and the last titan's looks like just about your average titan gizmo
silent urchin
breaking apart from the sword, then fucked up by void, then fixed and doubled as the titan thing
daring heron
All of this was why Sargeras was so keen to destroy Azeroth. He was the Titans' ...
who was the corrupted titan? argus?
autumn dagger
Really interesting to see them move away from the old logo shape tbh
was thinking the same!
autumn dagger
who was the corrupted titan? argus?
no
finite iron
who was the corrupted titan? argus?
no, just some unnamed world
autumn dagger
argus was just a victim of sargeras's later plan
pulsar minnow
was thinking the same!
I don’t hate it but idk, I kinda miss the old design
finite iron
he found it, realized it was void corrupted, and mercy killed it
austere gazelle
and the last titan's looks like just about your average titan gizmo
or a titan world soul trapped in a cell that looks like the same one the incarnates were in
little hound
(better picture)
What do we think about the logos?
The last one has that titan-prison sphere around it, like the Incarnates were trapped Inside.
daring heron
odyn is evil, tyr is quite okay
autumn dagger
or a titan world soul trapped in a cell that looks like the same one the incarna...
oh true
argus was the draenei home world
finite iron
pulsar minnow
Guys why are the titan evil
We don’t even know if they’re evil. That’s pretty much one of biggest points of the saga
fading lintel
We don’t even know if they’re evil. That’s pretty much one of biggest points of ...
Oh ok
autumn dagger
destroyed when sargeras arrived and transformed it into his demonic base of operation
daring heron
well, we do know that odyn was lying to us the whole time
and that's the point of the incarnates...
finite iron
odyn was always a dick though
pulsar minnow
They Hemsworth’d anduin and I’m all for it. I love that we’re finally getting “Manduin” as you’d say
austere gazelle
Azeroth is not a titan. It's a world soul, but its not a titan. Or she is, but the Titans aren't titans and tricked everyone making think they are
finite iron
she's not a titan YET.
pulsar minnow
I guess Anduin is a warrior now since he has no light and is running around with his sword
autumn dagger
allegedly the last titan is meant to explain why the titans are so obsessed with azeroth, what they are after, and what was revealed to them at zereth ordis
marsh star
Azeroth is not a titan. It's a world soul, but its not a titan. Or she is, but t...
World Souls become titans though don't they
finite iron
planets are eggs, and ones with worldsouls are fertilized eggs.
autumn dagger
yeah
daring heron
second expack where what the villains want to achieve is not inherently bad. the jailer wanted a "fairer" shadowlands, iridikron/incarnates wanted to remove the titan's grasp and stop following their orders
autumn dagger
argus is born as a corrupt titan
it's a bit of a, shitty course of action, good reasoning kinda deal
austere gazelle
World Souls become titans though don't they
Titans cames from world souls. World souls do not , maybe, make a titan all the time
deep pawn
I think we see Xalatath revive the old gods from their blood at the end of 11.x and they corrupt the Sunwell
daring heron
yeah this is the thing I get confused, so odyn, tyr, were planets before they became titans?
autumn dagger
i don't remember if draenor had a world soul but it wasn't a proper world soul, but he got endeared to it and helped it develop
daring heron
and argus, well, argus is a planet and a titan I guess?
deep pawn
Odyn and Tyr are constructs
austere gazelle
World Souls become titans though don't they
"You'll uncover the truth about [...] The true nature of Azeroth Itself" said Metzen. So Azeroth is probably not a titan
She is not the last, but the First, drown her and you will see
autumn dagger
yeah this is the thing I get confused, so odyn, tyr, were planets before they be...
no those are titan keepers
which are like the titan delegates
tasked with terraforming the planet, keeping void contamination at bay, etc
warm topaz
hey guys! just come back, how was it?
daring heron
so the titans are not even what we think they are?
marsh star
hey guys! just come back, how was it?
Account wide rep is good
deep pawn
I wanna say mixed for me.
autumn dagger
and argus, well, argus is a planet and a titan I guess?
precisely, it was a planet that effectively had a world soul
autumn dagger
so the titans are not even what we think they are?
sorta, that's the thing w the new story arc
deep pawn
I'm scared of a long drought, the content is feeling a tad formulaic
blazing granite
"You'll uncover the truth about [...] The true nature of Azeroth Itself" said Me...
Wasn't that known since at least BfA?
austere gazelle
Wasn't that known since at least BfA?
no, everyone assumed she is a titan, but since Shadowlands shade are thrown about this
autumn dagger
there's also a bunch of stuff regarding azeroth being at the center of the confluence of powers as a harmonizer
not necessarily a titan
daring heron
didn't they assume she was a titan because she's like argus?
fading lintel
I'm scared of a long drought, the content is feeling a tad formulaic
The last patches are gonna probably transition into the war within just like they said
pulsar minnow
"You'll uncover the truth about [...] The true nature of Azeroth Itself" said Me...
A First One. As many thought for a while
Thank goodness
blazing granite
There was also something on the "purpose" of the titans.
austere gazelle
didn't they assume she was a titan because she's like argus?
Because we just believe what the Titans taught us.
autumn dagger
didn't they assume she was a titan because she's like argus?
that's what the titans said
that she is in fact the last titan
and that it's better for us if they control her
and nurture her
austere gazelle
that she is in fact the last titan
They also said " we must rebuild the final titan "
daring heron
see this is the whole point, the titans are lying to us and the only watcher/keeper that we can trust is Tyr
deep pawn
Regardless this is the last raid
daring heron
then why are we fighting iridikron
fading lintel
I thought Tyr was evil
blazing granite
They also said " we must rebuild the final titan "
So, basically they believe their own speeches
fading lintel
Um
deep pawn
So from next week to fall 2024, we have no new raids or anything
daring heron
tyr was still p much buddies w the titans
yeah but wasnt there some text inside the game in the dungeons where tyr didn't agree with how odyn wanted to brainwash everyone?
autumn dagger
yeah but wasnt there some text inside the game in the dungeons where tyr didn't ...
yeah
austere gazelle
So from next week to fall 2024, we have no new raids or anything
we'll have fated stuff, I guarantee it
autumn dagger
So from next week to fall 2024, we have no new raids or anything
we still have 2.5, 2.7 (maybe) and pre patch
and maybe something new in between
you can go play smth else in the mean time lol
deep pawn
Unless they clearly indicate they want like a last week of September release...
blazing granite
Would be cool for Tyr to develop a bond with Tyr's Guard by the duration of the saga for him to stand up against Aman'thul in the end
fading lintel
Unless they clearly indicate they want like a last week of September release...
That’s barely fall Thiugh
daring heron
ever since I read teh text about odyn spreading lies to control the mortals, I don't think the incarnates are wrong. well, maybe fyrakk, but their original goal is worthy. one that's being kept with the ice incarnate, at least
subtle oar
no, just some unnamed world
Telogrus is that titans name. It was heavily implied that Telogrus Rift is the remnants of the Void Corrupted planet/worldsoul that Sargeras cleaved in half just before starting his Crusade
deep pawn
Like I'm personally not super excited over the early access stuff
daring heron
sorry to bring shadowmemes up again but even the jailer's plans are not bad, we don't get why they are bad and now that I think of it, it might seem crazy but I do think the jailer was working against the titans as well.
autumn dagger
ever since I read teh text about odyn spreading lies to control the mortals, I d...
vyranoth was always the moderate one, she didn't like infusing things w the elements but she was cornered into choosing that bc she really hated Ordering the dragon eggs
she's the last one to turn in the new book
and that's why it's so easy for her to defect to the aspects's side now
bc she knows fyrakk would do the same as the titans but w fire and void
daring heron
and iridikron just wants to be deathwing 2.0
austere gazelle
Anduin is hot as fuck now though
finite iron
Telogrus is that titans name. It was heavily implied that Telogrus Rift is the r...
oh, interesting. is that something from Shadowlands? I admit, I haven't played since before 9.0 other than some free Dragonflight weekends
fading lintel
Why did fyrakk have a old god voice behind him in a cinematic
subtle oar
oh, interesting. is that something from Shadowlands? I admit, I haven't played s...
BfA
daring heron
because he's imbued in void flame
subtle oar
Void Elf recruitment/Starting zone
autumn dagger
and iridikron just wants to be deathwing 2.0
he wants to do anything in his power to oppose the titans and shape azeroth in his image
daring heron
or a corrupted flame
autumn dagger
even if that means dealing w the void
autumn dagger
shadowflame is just elemental fire imbued with shadow energies
anyone in contact w the shadows go crazy
autumn dagger
if they don't know how to control it
subtle oar
Oh, it's a void elf thing. I don't have a void elf.
Yurp.
autumn dagger
shadowflame is just elemental fire imbued with shadow energies
shadowflame was born from neltharion's experiments w void energy iirc
daring heron
what about the infinites
is the story really just going to end at "oh our plan is for murozond to rise but we'll be friends since then"
subtle oar
....Narp?
x3 Its just a funny way ive been saying yep for the past month, both irl and online
autumn dagger
no idea
daring heron
their questline where you help eternus is nice, but I think it's either a bit bland or the whole point about the infinites is that they are lost
and they lack an aspect
autumn dagger
some could say that murozond is over forever in all timelines or maybe he's dead in just one
daring heron
just like the black dragonflight was after deathwing
subtle oar
https://media.tenor.com/GzxJhCJmbXIAAAAC/yarp-hot-fuzz.gif
Exactly!
autumn dagger
not because they lost their aspect to madness but bc they refuse the bronze dragon duty
murozond would be their first aspect sort of
murozond is a difficult character bc he both exists and doesn't in the future, the past and the present
daring heron
some could say that murozond is over forever in all timelines or maybe he's dead...
what about that thing from chromie in DOTI where we literally travel through timelines just to save Nozdormu? could she actually choose between saving him or stopping the incarnates? and from what Iridikron says at the end it seems like he also knew she was messing with time travel because he mentions him obtaining the Galakrond soul is a fixed point in time?
autumn dagger
idk really
daring heron
I think it's plausible for the infinites to have an aspect and have different duties than the bronze dragons
autumn dagger
you can take that as a confirmation that the bronze flight won, that they just bought time or that smth else turns nozdormu into murozond
daring heron
seeing how Alexstrasza is keen on fixing her relationship with Vyranoth and accepting that the titans aren't perfect
autumn dagger
the thing is that the bronze is tasked with maintaining the timeline that the titans think is the best
so again, titan bias
daring heron
thats the thing, they are preparing for this
autumn dagger
but the infinites also go mad by submitting to the infinite
daring heron
they knew this would happen
autumn dagger
or all the timelines all the time
daring heron
but the infinites also go mad by submitting to the infinite
hence why they need an aspect, someone like alleria guiding the void elves
they need someone to prevent them from going mad
daring heron
inb4 chromie becomes the infinite aspect
blazing granite
seeing how Alexstrasza is keen on fixing her relationship with Vyranoth and acce...
The dragons knew that ever since the events of the novel, actually
fading lintel
I wish they released player housing with the warband it looked a little bit like it in cinematic
blazing granite
Like, from the very first chapters of it
autumn dagger
imo the warband will set the grounds for player housing
so you have all your alts strolling around your house lol
harsh mason
It was cthun voice in fyrakk
How did you determine that it was his voice? Have you checked the voice actors?
I really don't understand why people thought it was his voice lol
fading lintel
How did you determine that it was his voice? Have you checked the voice actors?
I mightt be wrong but im pretty sure i saw a lot of people talkt about it but it might not be cthun but in the cinematic there was a layering of old god voice
harsh mason
I mightt be wrong but im pretty sure i saw a lot of people talkt about it but it...
Well, they are wrong, there is no such information anywhere at all
rain cave
dark waters flow in his wake = old god blood?
oh god I'm just imagining what xal's harvesting the blood for
is she trying to get the resources for a new body?
or does she just want to plug it straight into azeroths core
daring heron
new body? isnt she an elf?
rain cave
also I for sure could see sylvanas coming back in midnight if alleria is also involved, since alleria could be facing her hardest time during that xpac. And she'd probably want to be back to save her homeland no?
harsh mason
oh god I'm just imagining what xal's harvesting the blood for
Perhaps. With the help of blood, she sort of (as I understood it) helps the Nerubians evolve.
The question is, what if she did the same thing with Iridikron
rain cave
new body? isnt she an elf?
no she's just inhabiting an elf body
rain cave
The question is, what if she did the same thing with Iridikron
tbh maybe that's why he wasn't mentioned
daring heron
also I for sure could see sylvanas coming back in midnight if alleria is also in...
I think we'll see the 3 sisters back again, but alleria might end up corrupted
rain cave
maybe we'll get to see him in the epilogue
all scaled up and voidy
I think alleria will go through an arc of corruption struggle but will triumph in her own way
harsh mason
new body? isnt she an elf?
She is some kind of cosmic creature in the body of a dead elf
rain cave
I still have an itchy feeling that somewhere denathrius is connected to all this as well
fading lintel
also I for sure could see sylvanas coming back in midnight if alleria is also in...
Sylvanas also the big character in the first season of warcraft rumble might just be abolulotely nothing but yea maybe tease?
autumn dagger
new body? isnt she an elf?
she's an old god or piece of old god that has taken elf shape
like the aspects do
rain cave
because there's a lot of runic blades and energy siphoning related to him
rain cave
Sylvanas also the big character in the first season of warcraft rumble might jus...
those won't be related midnight is too far off
fading lintel
those won't be related midnight is too far off
Oki
autumn dagger
i think it's not even her mortal form but rather she is straight up possesing an elf or an elf corpse
autumn dagger
also I for sure could see sylvanas coming back in midnight if alleria is also in...
that'd be a cool tie
they also said that alleria was gonna be xalatath's biggest rival durin WW
fading lintel
Do you guys see a youtube channel called doronsmovies He predicted nerubians and them getting a new form that was cool
rain cave
but yeah sargeras's sword was meant to pierce azeroth, had ominous glowing RED energy in it like venthyr anima. Sargeras was heavily influenced by the dreadlords, who were also responsible for giving Arthas a weird sword from the shadowlands with runic power that sucked souls (power). Xalatath was a soul stuck inside a runed weapon, and one of the potential void arcs she could be related to is corrupting the world soul
and there just so happens to be a large sword shaped needle that we know can inject magic/power into azeroth in silithus
just some story consistencies I'm noticing
autumn dagger
it could be venthyr anima or another state of fel like deep in antorus all the decoration changes from green to red, much like orcs do lol
i think it's more a thing of Big Fel being red coded
rain cave
I know we don't want to drag shadowlands lore too hard into this obv, but I could definetly see them trying to set up the sword now as some plot device for xal to use or denathrius to tie in to
as the odds are that the sword could have dreadlord/denathrius influence
harsh mason
I wonder if Denatrius will get a new body when he is pulled out of the sword
I mean not just a new model, but literally a new body
daring heron
wait what
did this actually happen or is it just speculation that denathrius might be in sargeras' sword
harsh mason
did this actually happen or is it just speculation that denathrius might be in s...
Speculation
But I'm still wondering why Sargeras' fell turned red. I don't remember it being explained anywhere.
Because his avatar has a green
harsh mason
what did they just tease as raids?
?
Do you mean for classic?
There yes, some new raid for 10 people
deep pawn
they teased Scarlet Monastery, Gnomeregan, and Karazhan Crypts
rain cave
did this actually happen or is it just speculation that denathrius might be in s...
we aren't saying that
we're just saying that sargeras was influenced by dreadlords, his sword had giant flowing red anima like energy coming out of it, the dreadlords have given out weird swords for nefarious purposes before
harsh mason
they teased Scarlet Monastery, Gnomeregan, and Karazhan Crypts
For retail?
deep pawn
Discovery
silent urchin
Season of Discovery seems to be the 1.15 that's been showing up on the CDN now and then
fading lintel
New warbands lookvery cool
molten niche
I wonder how many toons cam be in tve warband lol
deep pawn
Hopefully at least one of each class lol
marsh star
What do we make of these markings on the crystal?
rain cave
What do we make of these markings on the crystal?
the shape doesn't look like draenei/naaru
but the actual runes do
specifically the runes look like army of the light/ lightforged runes
crisp steeple
Can you use the non-upgraded version of the Pre-purchase transmog even after you get it upgraded?
rain cave
and the lightforged were draenei x light aesthetic. So I'm guessing it's a fragment from some pure light faction ship, or a ship itself
I also posed the idea that it could be what anshe is meant to be
or something related to it
lot of connections to fire and light
friends with mountains -> earthen
santcuary andbringing life is what it is doing in the cavern
marsh star
I also posed the idea that it could be what anshe is meant to be
Really good idea; especially if the Nerubians = Shadows
deep pawn
So Ashes of Alar, Invincible, and Hippogryphs get Dynamic Flying
rain cave
Really good idea; especially if the Nerubians = Shadows
aye, old gods minions literally from the depth below them
marsh star
So Ashes of Alar, Invincible, and Hippogryphs get Dynamic Flying
Is it only them, or is it all mounts?
deep pawn
Well we know it's expanding, those 3 were used as examples in the trailer
Invincible is an interesting one
marsh star
Do you think the rep etc for Warbands is going to be retroactive btw; I think it almost has to be. (I hope they clarify; if it's like - you can slot your characters into it; or if it's something automatically applied).
silent urchin
It seemed to only be for new reps, for now
deep pawn
It seemed to only be for new reps, for now
they said we'd learn more tomorrow
pulsar minnow
Invincible is an interesting one
invincible has a hippogryph animation rig btw
upper pasture
What do we make of these markings on the crystal?
Oh it’s a crystal, I assumed it was the top of the “what sword”
deep pawn
Mereldar was the sister of General Lordain and originally a renowned warrior in the united human army during the Troll Wars. She was among the soldiers saved when her brother selflessly sacrificed himself to hold off an overwhelming force of Amani trolls. In her dreams, Mereldar saw five strange, inhuman forms thrumming with holy power that filled her mind with the wisdom of holiness, protection, justice, retribution, and compassion. Mereldar met with others who had also reported seeing the visions, and together they codified and wrote down the wisdom of this higher power, based on the tenet of selflessness and a belief that the Light dwelled in all things.
pulsar minnow
Damn so now with everything we know, I’m curious as hell as to what that avaloren leak was
That was a very well done leak and I wanna see how they made it
pulsar minnow
Because there were some assets not in-game or at least seemingly redone
deep pawn
the direhorn was literally a unique skin
pulsar minnow
I can’t say I’m exactly surprised. I believed the leak and supported it, but something always did feel a little off about it
deep pawn
Then the Tigon came out lol
pulsar minnow
I honestly wonder if blizz ACTUALLY made fake leaks
silent urchin
doubt it
it's not all that hard to do most of what was seen
you can just throw random textures at an existing model, clean it up a little, and then fix the rest in photoshop
rain cave
I mean some of them could be 10.2.5 stuff
since they did say this xpac isn't over story wise after fyrakk falls
but yeah I think the avaloren stuff was proven fake
ember blaze
I honestly wonder if blizz ACTUALLY made fake leaks
to find the leakers 
rain cave
because it was a mish mash of reused assets and simple retextures
and maybe some kitbashing
also has anyone else picked up on the double meaning of the title
war within azeroth yes
but also with anduin and alleria at the helm, anduin fighting internally to get his light back, alleria fighting internally to prevent her inner shadow, they have their own internal battles going on
it is cool how they are inverse characters with similar archs
plush sable
In SoD, If a pally uses Hand Of Reckoning, so they gain 25% of all healing revived as mana with Righteous Fury on, and a mage uses Regeneration and spams Arcane spells (which converts 100% of damage done into healing applied to targets marked with temporal beacon) = Inf mana?
pulsar minnow
I just realized… how the hell are we gonna abbreviate the new few expansions? Last Titan is clearly - LT. midnight? Probably just midnight. But for The War Within???
TWW? Or WW?
rain cave
tww
and hopefully we won't have to abbreviate midnight to mid
but could abbreviate to MN
like we did with SL
pulsar minnow
Maybe, midnights in a weird place, it’s not short enough where we could just say “Legion” for instance. But MN seems like the next best thing
novel zodiac
so, uhm, why did they hinted avaloren and the nightsquall so much this expansion, if its not planned to be used for atleast 6+ years?
pulsar minnow
Red herrings probably
Also admittedly it’s probably the communities fault for acting as if Avaloren was super heavily hinted at. It was one line basically
upper pasture
so, uhm, why did they hinted avaloren and the nightsquall so much this expansion...
Who said it’s gonna take them 6 years to get through this saga? They said they were gonna give content faster. I think they are ramping up for 12 month “expansions”
subtle oar
Who said it’s gonna take them 6 years to get through this saga? They said they w...
Oh god please no
18 months bare minimum pls
upper pasture
Inflation is a thing
Idk tho, I’ll have to save my judgement on if it’s worth the price until it’s actually fully out
subtle oar
We would only get a single raid tier per xpac if it was a 12 month cycle
upper pasture
We’ve gotten 2 in this year
subtle oar
And we'd be paying 70$ for that plus our sub fee
That is too much to ask for whilst not delivering a full 2 year xpac
upper pasture
I would much rather have 18 month but look at DF
molten niche
Is it only them, or is it all mounts?
All flying mounts
upper pasture
We’re gonna have 2 in a year so 18 month would be perfect for 3
But again we will see
subtle oar
I would MUCH rather 2 year xpac still. God... Raiding in a 12 month cycle would not feel rewarding at all.
upper pasture
How do you figure? I mean this year in WoW has felt the same in raid as any other year the only thing is we didn’t spend an extend time with downtime
subtle oar
How do you figure? I mean this year in WoW has felt the same in raid as any othe...
DF still has 6 month raid tiers, so raiding still feels rewarding.
In a 12 month cycle, you'd be lucky to have 3 month raid tiers. So for players who only like Raiding, their chosen form of End-game will feel unsatisfying. It feels too break-neck.
Its okay for Classic rn because of the limited content of the re-released xpacs. Even then Im not a fan of only 3 months to ger your BiS and if you got no gear at all, well boo-hoo, heres next tier, good luck chump
Not to mention, Blizzard wants to try to include "Greatest hits" patches going forward, how do you do that if you limit your xpac to 12 months?
deep pawn
Cross realm mythic from the start!
subtle oar
They want to keep the game going for at least another 20 years, we cant do 12 month xpacs.. That'd be 20 freaking xpacs.
1 a year. Thats insane
Annually released games are such a bane upon the industry and have fostered such morally and ethically bankrupt practices. I really hope they dont mean to shorten Xpac lengths and that they meant it in delivering the story faster, not the content.
deep pawn
"Want it to work on as many mounts as possible (like Mimiron's head!)"
upper pasture
How I see this is going forward expansions seem to gonna be smaller but still full with seasons and have a raid or two planned but more focused on a single story but again we shall see
subtle oar
"Want it to work on as many mounts as possible (like Mimiron's head!)"
GIB DYNAMIC FLIGHT ON MY NOODLES!
deep pawn
They say over 100 mounts
upper pasture
Seeing the preview of the dynamic flying on ashes and invincible was a little jarring but I’m sure with time it won’t seem as “wrong” lol
deep pawn
No reworks going into 11.0 they say
subtle oar
deep pawn
they aren't removing armor type restrictions
so that's definitely a leather wearing Dracthyr
Earthen don't start as druids so don't expect druid class expansion yet
novel zodiac
why tho, it would be so cool 😦
deep pawn
Earthen can be everything but Druids, DH, and Evokers
deep pawn
might be a mistake from the QnA
pulsar minnow
Anyone used their “enhanced boost” yet and know what it does? As opposed to a normal boost I mean
deep pawn
you get a set of 424 gear, and not even all slots
and you can't turn it into season 2 tier
pulsar minnow
Oh that’s… lame
novel zodiac
how hard will be to get to 440 when 10.2 launches?
ember blaze
how hard will be to get to 440 when 10.2 launches?
Why not just go and make yourself 447 now
novel zodiac
dracotist are 4k each
ember blaze
You need what 2?
novel zodiac
3 per 447 piece
ember blaze
Don’t have to do every piece
pulsar minnow
Just do DOTI
novel zodiac
what's that
ember blaze
no way to get a pug for M if you're not 440 already
Go make a group
People still run it
deep pawn
Lfr will drop 441, m0s and +2s next patch should as well
novel zodiac
oh nice, but i was asking about the week 1, before the season begins
deep pawn
420 or so from dream stuff
molten niche
The superbloom event drops 440 gear as well was in the ptr
tropic trail
Sword story continues - 5 years later. Gezz, oh well better late than never.
blazing granite
Iridikron trying to destroy the World Soul with all the revelations about Azeroth being the progenitor of all Cosmic Forces and the Universe, in attempt to see the end of Order is the most plausible thing imo
deep pawn
Indeed, but we won't see him for a while
Harrowsdeep is 100% a raid in the Northrend expansion
blazing granite
Aman'thul as the final boss of 13.0
deep pawn
I don't know if we'll fight the Titans.
blazing granite
And then Iridikron as the very final one.
blazing granite
I don't know if we'll fight the Titans.
He will definitely be an antagonist, not so sure about the other Titans.
deep pawn
I suppose it depends on how badly we screw up in 12.0
blazing granite
Or its just going to be us being too close to screwing all up and the Titans deciding "that's it, no more of this crap"
I just hope there will be a decent amount of nuance involved
This kind of story is INCREDIBLY easy to ruin
austere gazelle
That means return of Illidan and Sargeras btw :p
tropic trail
It’s probaly back in time in the ancient world so I don’t think so.
warm topaz
why people think that the 3 expansions that they announced yesterday are .1 .2 and .3?
silent urchin
they said some cryptic stuff about cadence but given the price there's no way the expansion will be faster than about every 18 months
unless they're also planning on something radical with the sub model
thin warren
i wouldnt mind 18 months expansions
or they lower the price a bit if they deliver them faster
harsh mason
why people think that the 3 expansions that they announced yesterday are .1 .2 a...
I don't know who thinks so. They said that the raid with the Nerubians is the first raid in the war within
thin warren
but i don't think it's cheaper to make them faster xD more people needed to crunch it faster
harsh mason
I don't know who thinks so. They said that the raid with the Nerubians is the fi...
That is, it is obvious that there will be other full-fledged patches with raids
warm topaz
we will know when they give us the roadmap for 2024
warm topaz
I don't know who thinks so. They said that the raid with the Nerubians is the fi...
yeah thats for sure 11.0 Nerubians 11.1 X 11.2 Y and whatever next, then 12.0 midnight 12.1 etc...
thats my understanding of course
harsh mason
yeah thats for sure 11.0 Nerubians 11.1 X 11.2 Y and whatever next, then 12.0 mi...
And that new type of content in the open world will be tied to the seasons (like dungeons, raids and BG). That is, it is already obvious that everything is going exactly the same as before
harsh mason
It's just the name of the expansion chain so that people understand that everything is connected lol. No more
In fact, DF is also part of this saga
warm topaz
It's just the name of the expansion chain so that people understand that everyth...
yep
today Ion is doing a deep dive
excited for that
harsh mason
Who suddenly didn't understand: a new type of content designed for a game from 1 to 5 people under the name “delves” will develop seasonally, along with raids, dungeons and BG (and yes, there will be a new BG, today they will tell you more). That is, everything is the same: 3 seasons
I really wonder how the new BG will fit into the plot
silent urchin
the group interview from yesterday didn't 100% confirm seasons, but did say they thought DFs pacing was well received and that they'd hope it continues
harsh mason
the group interview from yesterday didn't 100% confirm seasons, but did say they...
Confirmed. According to them, in the first season, the character who will lead us on delves will be Brann. That is, in the second season there is already a different character
The main boss of the first raid, which, quote, “will be the culmination of the storyline with the Nerubians”, is their queen, who is allied with Xalatath
Obviously, the nameless nerubian queen is NOT the main antagonist of TWW
rain cave
unless they're also planning on something radical with the sub model
I could definitely see them transferring the sub model into a benefits scheme instead of playtime, with yearly xpacs being the new monetization. And then having there be a game pass tie in
But they won't announce that even if its next xpac until we're close
Because as soon as they announce they're dropping sub
Everyone will just unsub until then
So it has to be a short turnaround
blazing granite
I wonder if the Titans are aware of Azeroth's true nature (the progenitor of all Cosmic Forces) and that they themselves can in fact be her children. That's the direction they've been going with since at least Shadowlands and still do judging by the green dragon book in 10.2. Iridikron sure wouldn't take that well.
blazing granite
That's not what they've been pushing after 9.2
tropic trail
We will see
Azeroth maybe not just a planet but part of something more.
Collective consciousness
thin warren
I make the error of thinking about Azeroth as something like real life, but i need to stop doing that 😄
it's magic and planets with a soul
xD
and multiple universes! and timetravel, but my brain sometimes just goes "irl thinking"
tropic trail
I like the new expansion, kinda happy 😃
Good Metzen is back
He went on the stage and everyone became alive
thin warren
I just keep playing wow, I probably would still play it if they give me an empty bag and slap a WoW-sticker on it, probably something like "started playing as I was 15 so a safe fallback-thingy" or something
we need a shrink to explain this
thin warren
oh, you are realy new 😮
I got a small statue from Blizzard for playing 10 years from the start
🤓
austere gazelle
You are already seeing that Azeroth is not a titan, the vision Thrall and Anduin got is a pulsating orb of Azerite, not the usual constellation egg
austere gazelle
a worldsoul is an egg?
metaphorically speaking, yes, a world soul is like an incubating egg, sleeping , that awaken into something else when it " hatches "
thin warren
and it's just in the middle of our planet?
maybe this world soul is special
a ball of energy
austere gazelle
a ball of energy
What if Azeroth is the core of creation, the very source of Light and Shadow, where everything started, encased within a frame of earthly crust by the first One because she erupted fragment of light and void everywhere into space ? The shard of light stuck into the cavern might have been coming from within, and not from outside.
Thus, the tale of the Earthmother could make a lot more sense with the " Darkness " coming from below - which were not old god - but the very nature of Azeroth herself spawning darkness
tropic trail
It can be an egg or very important ingredient to enable constellation network so he or she can wake up
Heart of eternity
Her dreams sing beneath the surface. Quiet now, but her voice will awaken the others.
blazing granite
What if Azeroth is the core of creation, the very source of Light and Shadow, wh...
The general opinion around Order and the Titans (be it a negative one or a positive one) is that they're alien. Revealing them to be essentially native to Azeroth is not something characters like Iridikron will take well.
austere gazelle
Her dreams sing beneath the surface. Quiet now, but her voice will awaken the ot...
the others being Thrall, Anduin, etc.
austere gazelle
The general opinion around Order and the Titans (be it a negative one or a posit...
who says they're native to Azeroth ? They were conceived by the first Ones.
Take the cosmos, put something at the center that is a giant ball of light and shadow ( blue and golden stuff, aka, Azerite ) that dream and throw stuff out, shards of light, wave of shadow, into the infinity.
From those stuff rose the First Ones. They saw the mess this giant Orb is doing at the middle of all thing, proceed to encase it into a giant dyson sphere, and then clean up everything around, creating the framework and the cosmology we know, with the power coming from Azeroth
All to balance the cosmos and put an end to the chaos, having put all failsafe in places to prevent this orb from cracking up and throwing stuff again everywhere
Sargeras wanted the cosmos to burn. So his last act, out of spite, maybe was to break this shell and invite burning chaos again in all the cosmos. The Azerite started leaking, but somehow we prevented it
We're also going into diablo inspiration from the dawn of creation. In diablo Anu was a single pristine orb in the darkness, before everything, it expelled evil from itself to reach perfection and then evil started to clash with the good side, both created the cosmos in their dying breath with a giant explosion
tropic trail
the others being Thrall, Anduin, etc.
Could be used as metaphor since they are not really asleep. They just idle
austere gazelle
Could be used as metaphor since they are not really asleep. They just idle
indeed ^^
daring heron
I just had a shower thought. Sargeras is a titan keeper/watcher. how come Illidan is strong enough to keep Sargeras in check?
austere gazelle
I just had a shower thought. Sargeras is a titan keeper/watcher. how come Illida...
we don't know that. The titans are keeping him in check atm. Illidan is just watching
tropic trail
It’s not just him but all other titan spirits
daring heron
I wonder what he thinks of malfurion being stuck in the shadowmemes temporarily
still
rain cave
I still love the imagery of illidan returning before the titans
the red light in the sky from legion changes
and then he comes crashing down all scarred and broken to warn us they're coming
curious what they'll do with him
daring heron
plot twist, azeroth is the last titan and she will warn us that the titan pantheon cannot be trusted and how bad they are because she turned to be an experiment
austere gazelle
plot twist, azeroth is the last titan and she will warn us that the titan panthe...
She is not the last, but the First 😏 And the actual titans are not real titans, just copy made by the First Ones
rain cave
that would be a twist and a half
that the titans have been lying to us not just about all the other stuff but about them actually even being titans lmao
daring heron
that's what we were talking about yesterday, the pantheon are not really titans per se
rain cave
that they're just parasitic impostors
worn crown
I think Sylvanas will be back from the Maw at the expansion Midnight
Protecting Quel'Thalas? It makes sense
I think Sylvanas will be back from the Maw at the expansion Midnight
Protecting Quel'Thalas? It makes sense 🤩
daring heron
I just realized that I was dumb, odyn, tyr, etc are not titans but keepers 😛
marsh star
If they could undo the damage to her character, then it'd be cool to bring her back. But otherwise she should stay gone until they are ready to have something for her to do
daring heron
I think it's plausible she will return, at least to aid Alleria with the whispers
rain cave
If they could undo the damage to her character, then it'd be cool to bring her b...
as xin says I think she'd return to help ground alleria
since the void plot will probably culminate there
also if she returns and is doing it purely to help defend her homeland
rain cave
nah
daring heron
and destroys the sunwell
daring heron
one could argue that the jailer was acting for the void lords
daring heron
"A cosmos divided will not survive"
rain cave
I think the void lords or whoever were definetly acting around him
but not with him
a cosmos divided will not survive could be referring to literally anything, light, order, shadow, life
daring heron
maybe that's the precedent they're setting for the next 20 year arc for WoW 😛
rain cave
these 3 expacs seem to be tackling the void and order side of it. Whilst dipping into the life and light to potentially set up for something after
but I also wouldn't be surprised if the light stuff gets brought in, as with the plot of midnight they do say we team up with them.
rain cave
just because something is a cosmological opposite doesn't make them sworn enemies or friends
daring heron
since it's mentioned on the reveal something about the Light itself
marsh star
maybe that's the precedent they're setting for the next 20 year arc for WoW 😛
I think when John said 30 years; and then Metzen said after World Soul = 20 years. They expect the World Soul to last 10 years
rain cave
the titans have dealt with disorder
their enemy is the void
life and death get on pretty well considering they're opposite keep in mind
cunning sleet
The Light isn't some force for good, look at how they treated Illidan. The Light has no problem enslaving people if it serves their purpose. The Light just thinks it''s good.
rain cave
I think when John said 30 years; and then Metzen said after World Soul = 20 year...
no way is the world soul saga 10 years long
I'll literally be in my 30's by the time it finishes
I was reading it as the next 3-4 years
maybe 5 if you include the patches for the final expansion
marsh star
no way is the world soul saga 10 years long
I think it's going to be 3 regular cycles of expansions; maybe 2 years each. 6 years total. Close to a decade
rain cave
they said they want to do it quicker
he emphasized being faster
so I doubt it's 3 regular expansion cycles
blazing granite
1.5 year for each
cunning sleet
How can they speed it up? Reuses assets with a new paint job?
rain cave
personally I'm hoping they do yearly ish and remove the sub for playing
rain cave
How can they speed it up? Reuses assets with a new paint job?
better workflow
clearer vision
daring heron
tbh it kinda sucks that we have to spend 50 USD every 1.5 years now :/
rain cave
we don't know that
yet
and if they remove the sub going forward then you're not paying sub
but again
we don't know
marsh star
I've seen they've added the option to "pause" your sub now for up to 6 months. Maybe that's in an effort to lower the subs cancelled metric
novel zodiac
if they're not removing the sub, the least they could do is that time only counts when you're playing
rain cave
if they're not removing the sub, the least they could do is that time only count...
that's what WoW china does
oh sick
silent urchin
Not properly retroactive, at least not yet
if you used the cache already you don't have them
dense plover
gonna say it now - preorder mount is the best expac mount ever - it not only has customization, but it also has unique dynamic flying mechanics and custom UI elements
silent urchin
It also has a unique passenger model
or well, I think it may be the same as squally
silent urchin
thin warren
you are the pet? 😛
silent urchin
I stole the screenshot off reddit, but it's the passnger thingy - on regular dragon mounts when you can carry someone and fly beside you as a whelp
dense plover
oh and the companion changes color to match
the pet probably is supposed to but i dont think it does currently
thin warren
awww ^^ cute
rain cave
am I projecting or is the denathrius/dreadlord link for sargeras's sword being teased
I mean look at this thing even
the model we get is even more like a revendreth sword than the big one
harsh mason
Melice and hatred is like another name for two mythical Ability in battle with Argus(which Sargeras himself creates). If I'm not mistaken
dense plover
ah yes - promotionname
upper pasture
I love that game!
thin warren
doesn't ring a bell 😮 :3
molten niche
has anyone used the lvl 70 boost form the war within
glass flicker
Interesting that the Gorridar sword was namedropped but the sword Sargeras stabbed Azeroth with has not been confirmed as Gorribal, even though there are sources for its name and also being combined with Taeshalach into Gorshalach, the most powerful weapon in the universe.
mighty wolf
is there any meme about WhatSword saga?
rain cave
well the #whatsword display in the hall changed to #thatsword
glass flicker
GORRIBAL. 
deep pawn
Comments seem extremely mixed about all this.
I'm definitely not alone in my thinking that losing 4th raids in an expac isn't worth it haha
warm topaz
i think we will have a last raid
like mini raid
not a tier itslef
i saw a "leak" about 10.2.7 having fated + mini raid with tyr connecting next expansion
something like trial of valor
deep pawn
They outright said this is the last raid
glass flicker
Give us more 1-2 boss raids.
glass flicker
If there were more raids with fewer bosses, they could push them out in .5 patches.
warm topaz
lets see how this delves thing is
glass flicker
And with yearly expansions, that'd actually be ideal.
glass flicker
warm topaz
there is no even confirmation about no .3 anymore
glass flicker
Not contradicting you.
warm topaz
Not contradicting you.
yeah i mean, mini raids are always welcome
dense plover
there is no even confirmation about no .3 anymore
there is confirmation
glass flicker
yeah i mean, mini raids are always welcome
I think Trial of Valor was the ideal raid size for a mini raid.
Stick with that
warm topaz
actually in 40 minutes Ion will do a deep dive on 11.0!
dense plover
send me a link
so firstly, in the presentation they specifically said amirdrassil is the last raid
cant have a major patch without a raid
subtle oar
september?
I expect November
Allowing them to have another BlizzCon to expand of what they meant about delivering the story at a faster pace
I really fucking hope they dont mean annual xpacs
glass flicker
They would definitely release The War Within during the 20th anniversary.
It's like, a must.
glass flicker
I really fucking hope they dont mean annual xpacs
If annual expansions happen, they'd have to lower the price a lot.
warm topaz
for those who understand, next blizzcon should give us 11.1 right?
or what can we expect?
glass flicker
$90 for the epic edition of a game, yearly, is way too much.
subtle oar
If annual expansions happen, they'd have to lower the price a lot.
They would not do that sadly
That would be against the industry standard
COD is an annual release that charges full price every time
glass flicker
Jesus Christ.
subtle oar
FIFA
glass flicker
Now I'm hoping they don't mess this up.
subtle oar
And then on top, there is our subs too
If they do annual xpacs, I will have to quit retail, It would cost way to much to play.
For so little
glass flicker
Exactly.
subtle oar
1 or 2 raids an xpac
glass flicker
They'd have a wave of leavers every installment because it costs way too much. Sorry Bobby, we don't make $10k a month.
Find a yacht somewhere else.
deep pawn
I'm already feeling a tad bit ripped off for DF having 3 raids and the likelihood of a god damn 12 month drought
At least when legion had a 12 month drought we had already gotten 4 full raids
thin warren
12 months? you still got whole 10.2 to play
and probably .5 and .7
so don't exagerate :p
and i see it like you buy the expansion with all the content at the time, and you pay for the next stuff trough your sub
glass flicker
Oh yeah, also fated raids.
That's more content than Legion had.
Imho, they should run a season of fated raids where all raids in a single expansion can be done as current content.
novel zodiac
I'm already feeling a tad bit ripped off for DF having 3 raids and the likelihoo...
bro stop bitching about this, is not going to be a 12 months drought
10.2 hasnt come out yet
we still have 10.2.5 too
you dont even need to spend the whole time playing wow, there's other games too
season of discovery, cata classic
like, wow is not everything there is
molten niche
all i have seen is this kyle guy bitch and complain non stop
thin warren
he's a hardcore fan! it can happen 😄
deep pawn
bro stop bitching about this, is not going to be a 12 months drought
Forgive me, if TWW releases in November, it will be a 12 month drought. I'm sorry but a 10.2.5 with a bit of story isn't new dungeons or raids to run.
I had personally been hoping for a 9.2 to 10.0 gap personally.
SL fated was fine, as a 3 month thing
6 month fated would flop so hard I feel.
novel zodiac
so you count 10.2 as a drought?
deep pawn
It's the final major patch, droughts are timed from the release of the last major patch to the next expansion launch.
The expansion will likely release some time between October and December next year, there's a SLIGHT chance they snag the last week of September.
novel zodiac
still, doesn't matter, go play something else
anyone who plays wow 24/7/365 is a psycho
deep pawn
and I will, I just feel sad whenever I have to unsub for 6 months or something cause of a lack of content. 😄
harsh mason
Probably everyone has already said this 1000 times, but still: we are now getting closer to Velen's prophecy about the war of all Azeroth against the Void under the leadership of Anduin
silent urchin
deepdive about to start btw
silent urchin
Heroic stuff on your own time is still pretty neat
novel zodiac
oooh, cool mount
silent urchin
huh, that level 13 drac'thyr in leather is nominally an evoker
although this entire thing is a mockup so it's fake
ah, he said it
novel zodiac
what are the chances that they will sell backgrounds for the new character selection screen just like in lost ark
daring heron
don't give them ideas pls
novel zodiac
they dont need to ask anyone new ideas to make money lmao
imagine if we get new backgrounds by doing content
one with every aotc
doing loremaster of the current expansion
daring heron
I'd rather have a title than a bg tbh
would be so disappointing to complete teh aotc for the current tier and get a character background
novel zodiac
doesnt have to be one or the other
in my opinion titles are shit
its a minimal thing that nobody sees
pulsar minnow
alpha likely in spring - ion just said it
subtle oar
Alpha in the Spring
marsh star
San'layn is in da house; time to bust out the twilight fanfiction
rain cave
I like these
i will say though
diabolist sounds like that's just demonology
oracle and archon feel a bit vague
marsh star
We need a Cavalier spec; if Rider of the Apocalyse could have mounted combat I would actually die
pulsar minnow
DRAGONRIDING IN OLD WORLD IN 10.2.5
novel zodiac
diabolist sounds like that's just demonology
meaby that one is Destruction or Affliction + better pets
rain cave
diabolist sounds to me like destruction + demo
destro probs diabolist + hellcaller
demo diabolist+soul
aff hell+soul
mage:
Fire - Sunfury+ Frostfire
Frost - Frostfire + SpellSlinger
Arcane - Sunfury + Spellslinger
that would make sense
ember blaze
destro probs diabolist + hellcaller
demo diabolist+soul
aff hell+soul
Necro confirmed?
novel zodiac
yeah, that's an easy one to figure out
ember blaze
What’s sunfury anyway
rain cave
I am very curious about the paladin ones tbf
deep pawn
Frostfire has be so hyped
rain cave
What’s sunfury anyway
uhh kinda blood elfy fire mage
but more of just that style of overpowering blast fire magic
ember blaze
rain cave
at least what I think of when I think sunfury is less burning shit more turning things to piles of ash and having a phoenix or something
novel zodiac
bro, imagine if fire + arcane = blue fire
deep pawn
chonky book
rain cave
sunfury having blue fire would be very pog
I also hope frostfire has an interaction between the damage types
like steam explosions or something
also going to laugh at shamans logging on being like "I can't wait to play farseer!" and then they get in raid and they're being forced to go totemic if it's a support spec
marsh star
Lightsmith sounds cool; making spiritual weapons maybe?
rain cave
I'm very interested in herald of the sun
dense plover
So April-June
my guess is towards the earlier side
marsh star
I'm very interested in herald of the sun
Might tie into An'she stuff
dense plover
november launch makes sense - totally avoid ffxiv
maybe a bit earlier
could see september
deep pawn
Yeah, but it makes me sound doomering when I'm sad 10.2 is active for a year.
pulsar minnow
Ngl these reveals have been making me want to reroll from Evoker to Paladin & Shaman. All the Arathi stuff, the gear, the setting, anduin focus, and the hero trees
dense plover
well 10.2.5 and 10.2.7 will exist
so thatll help
we could get another dungeon or megadungeon
those are side patch content
rain cave
Might tie into An'she stuff
yup, and I was wondering if the light crystal in hallowfall is related to anshe
deep pawn
It's more likely Naaru related
rain cave
anshe could be naaru related
deep pawn
The town is named after one of the first humans to receive visions from Naaru and helped form the basis of all Light worship on Azeroth
rain cave
it's just that the language used to describe anshe is VERY similar to how the crystal is poised
exotic obsidian
yup, and I was wondering if the light crystal in hallowfall is related to anshe
my first thought when seeing it was, that's the tip of the sword
deep pawn
the sword hasn't been there long enough for an entire light based city to be built up that fast.
exotic obsidian
yeah true but that was my first initial thought when i saw the trailer :p
pulsar minnow
Yeah I thought it was the sword too during the trailer
But it’s just a giant crystal apparently
silent urchin
given the appearance and the fact it turns voidy every so often, there's a lot of Naaru speculation
how a naaru got there, who knows
dense plover
i think the voidy thing is because of xal
but i think the interesting thing is it wont change regularly
so we might have a daytime zone during IRL night
or night during day
im hoping it just changes
exotic obsidian
so Xal getting killed off at the end of TWW or will she live througout the whole saga. Any thoughts?
exotic obsidian
but i think the interesting thing is it wont change regularly
probs will be event based like dreamsurges every other 30 mins
silent urchin
It seems very likely she's part of midnight
rain cave
she's probably going through to midnight
glass flicker
If she dies, I'm quitting retail.
rain cave
the logo for midnight is basically her eye
silent urchin
unless she dies to let the void in or something
austere gazelle
she's probably going through to midnight
yeah the Gul'dan of Midnight, killed by Azshara who will rule the new void Empire
exotic obsidian
unless she dies to let the void in or something
aah maybe a Gul'dan-esque role like from WoD to Legion
rain cave
nah bro
xalatath is probably the main antagonist of midnight
and this xpac will be setting her up to be that
glass flicker
Kinda sucks for Shadow Priests that Xal'Atath won't say "I missed you most, my little pogchamp"
rain cave
Kinda sucks for Shadow Priests that Xal'Atath won't say "I missed you most, my l...
we don't know maybe she will!
warm topaz
Kinda sucks for Shadow Priests that Xal'Atath won't say "I missed you most, my l...
someone asked that yesterday
Morgan said: that is a good idea
austere gazelle
Only then shall our Queen return to reign over sea and sky and earth. We must make ready.
Rise, rise! Soon all that was hidden will be revealed.```shadow priests actually responsible for starting the expansion by actually cleaning out their bank for once and finding the dusty dagger in a back corner
rain cave
I hope there's a moment where everyone just looks at the player character after she says we freed her like "really man"
glass flicker
XD
I want Xal to say "I missed you" to Shadow Priest players.
That would be hilarious.
exotic obsidian
shadow priests recieving whispers in their chat througout the expansion again :p
glass flicker
"I missed you, my little pogchamp. Unfortunately, we find ourselves standing on the different sides of this conflict. And as such, join me or perish."
pulsar minnow
Xal’Atath whispers: Yo so we’re still cool right?
glass flicker
I would cry. xD
tropic trail
```When these things come to pass, the Harbinger will fulfill the final prophecy...
Who is that Harbinger? The Void girl?
austere gazelle
Xalatath yeah
tropic trail
🤔 interesting
glass flicker
Tfw an emoji is just "reee" with twelve E's.
subtle oar
could see september
Not with Metzens comments on not being able to explain what their plans are for delivering story faster than we are accustom. He said that they could not explain at this years BlizzCon. I expect 11.0 will be after 2024 BlizzCon, allowing them to explain what they mean. Really hoping this does not mean annual xpacs.
glass flicker
Yeah, was about to say "Her name is Xal'Atath 
"
exotic obsidian
Not with Metzens comments on not being able to explain what their plans are for ...
if they'll stick to the 2 patch expacs 1,5yrs per expac seems perfect to me
subtle oar
Anything less than 2 years is not ideal
rain cave
I want less than 2 years
daring heron
how come bfa had like 7 big patches but only 3 raids?
rain cave
to me the ideal would be yearly minimum, maybe going up to 1.5 yearly
glass flicker
You're cool with paying so much for so little?
subtle oar
18 months is, okay, but anything less feels too break-neck and will make Raiding the most unsatisfying content in the game
Not to mention the financial burder it will put on the playerbase
rain cave
we'd not be getting less we'd just be getting it faster
also I'm assuming they will considering removing sub
marsh star
I'd like a 3 patch expac again tbh
dense plover
Not with Metzens comments on not being able to explain what their plans are for ...
he said - stay tuned
rain cave
if they go for faster xpacs
subtle oar
to me the ideal would be yearly minimum, maybe going up to 1.5 yearly
Yikes, you would want that
dense plover
so definitely BEFORE next blizzcon
exotic obsidian
yee rather have 1,5 yrs per expac than 6-8 months of last patches..
subtle oar
so definitely BEFORE next blizzcon
I just dont see it.
rain cave
if they go for yearly xpacs -> they can remove sub and pay for the game that way
like other MMO likes
and such
dense plover
I just dont see it.
thats a LOT of time
they could literally just do a direct thing
like they did during BfA
glass flicker
That'd kill their revenue, trust me.
rain cave
they're going into xbox, they're probably going to have a gamepass thing
glass flicker
They'd never make that risk.
daring heron
inb4 they go the zenimax model, 3 dlcs + 1 chapter per year
dense plover
they're going into xbox, they're probably going to have a gamepass thing
if there is a gamepass thing, itll just be the free trial
rain cave
we shall see
dense plover
theyre not going to switch to no sub
its the main source of income for wow
theyre not going to kill it
thats dumb
rain cave
they make a lot of money from expansion sales
glass flicker
Exactly.
dense plover
its dumber than dumb
daring heron
they're owned by microsoft now so they can try it
dense plover
they're owned by microsoft now so they can try it
they dont need to
glass flicker
They make too much money from subs.
dense plover
^^^^
subtle oar
Peach, what would your thoughts be on annual xpacs at full price?
dense plover
like expansion sales probably rival the sub money
they literally dont
dense plover
Peach, what would your thoughts be on annual xpacs at full price?
i dont think its going to be yearly
even DF is 2 years
daring heron
tbh this whole worldsoul saga could be one, max 2 expacks. just release content patches for them.
dense plover
i think 2 years is reasonable
i think theyre just going to try to not have a 9 month gap of nothing
glass flicker
Peach, what would your thoughts be on annual xpacs at full price?
Dumb. Kill it. Kill it with fire and hellfire and felfire and frostfire and all the fire.
warm topaz
You're cool with paying so much for so little?
it depends actually, people pay 70$ for a game that is 20 hours long nowadays
daring heron
it feels weird that we're on the middle of the dragonflight story and we'll have 1 year of content drought and the next expack will start where we left off
dense plover
it feels weird that we're on the middle of the dragonflight story and we'll have...
we wont tho
10.2.5 and 10.2.7
daring heron
yeah but 10.2.7 won't have anything new
subtle oar
i think 2 years is reasonable
I do to, but Metzens comments really have me scared for this, considering the higher up suits have been pushing for annual releases for years.
rain cave
1 expansion is like 4 months of sub, a lot of people drop off after then and people who play longer can also pay with gold. If they're dropping the sub it means more people playing and the yearly xpacs means they get that yearly dump of money
dense plover
10.1.7 had new stuff
daring heron
pretty much fated raids and that's all. I want new quests, new stories, new things
dense plover
and 10.1.5 had a mega dungeon
they could do another mega dungeon
or 2 normal dungeons
rain cave
if they were to ever remove sub it would be when they integrate with microsoft and with this next xpac
daring heron
btw they haven't released the updated roadmap, right?
dense plover
btw they haven't released the updated roadmap, right?
probably tomorrow
daring heron
going to gamepass is a major problem if you have the token system in place, they need to figure out how to work around the tokens before releasing on gamepass
otherwise, BOTS
dense plover
going to gamepass is a major problem if you have the token system in place, they...
you cant afford a token on trial
gold cap
dense plover
WoW will be
rain cave
we don't know
daring heron
I don't think so. ESO is on gamepass, i think you also get eso+ for free
dense plover
I don't think so. ESO is on gamepass, i think you also get eso+ for free
ESO IS F2P
wow isnt
daring heron
eso is not f2p, it's p2p
rain cave
wow could be though under microsoft
daring heron
it just doesn't have a sub model
dense plover
the game would get a lot more players if it was on gamepass
more players not paying doesnt matter
daring heron
you buy the game, buy the expacks, but you don't pay for the sub
dense plover
for gamepass
THATS NOT ENOUGH MONEY
rain cave
it's the same
rain cave
that's, not how that works
dense plover
all the other devs they pay to have games on gamepass
dense plover
that's, not how that works
yes it is
they literally pay devs to have games on gamepass
dense plover
no it isnt
rain cave
more people playing WoW, more gamepass subs
dense plover
suddenly subbed players who already pay for gamepass like me, arent paying
rain cave
so you want to pay more?
dense plover
theres a ton of people like me who have gamepass and wow sub
dense plover
so you want to pay more?
IM SAYING IT WONT HAPPEN
rain cave
you want to double dip on subscriptions for the same company?
dense plover
cool, and then blizzard would have less money