beta-ptr-spoilers

[rain cave]

how though

he has no images, no evidence

not even text evidence

it could just be me saying it on an alt account for all you know

[vernal juniper]

yep but it is weird no?

maybe it is a troll but, as he write he seems to know

I tend to believe more these leaks, over the ones with long text and strange images

[austere gazelle]

Why should it be? Everything points towards it coming soon. They did not bother to make a third spec because it felt unnecessary, but now that aug evoker is a thing, there will defo be another support spec. And dh is the first in mind since its the only one to get two spec. They have to do this or else aug. Evoker will become mantatory on the long run in all group content if there are not competitors or choices

[subtle oar]

There is literally no evidence pointing to a new DH spec coming anytime soon x3

[austere gazelle]

On your point of vue. But there will defo be one coming.
They knew this the moment they completed the third spec of the evoker. Dh are in the same spot with two spec. That's the first evidence. It is coming.
As I said, they did not make a third spec because the DH did not need a third DPS spec. Healing spec is also stupid. Support spec is completely on the scope now though. So there are 0 reason to not give them one. And unless they plan to let the aug evoker have a given spot on every group content , infuriating the player base, they will give another support spec to another class, and the first to mind is the one with two spec. That's why everyone is talking about the third dh spec. And blizzard knew very well that it would be a topic.

[rain cave]

disc is the only hybrid damage healer, shamans are the only ones with windfury totem, DH's are the only ones with double jump

look I get what you're saying

and I think they WILL add more support specs

I also think they could add a new DH spec

but there's nothing that prioritizes DH over other classes

they should approach new specs as what makes most sense and fits well, not trying to get to a number quote

[austere gazelle]

Maybe, maybe not, but I just answered to those saying that " its stupid and will not happen " not the priority stuff ^^ saying that " new dh spec = fake " is wrong, thats all

[rain cave]

if the next xpac has cool elemental stuff and shaman lore, and the devs have a cool idea for a new shaman spec based on that

give it to shamans first

doesn't have to be support either

I've floated ideas of potential DH specs before, and they are possible. But we have no evidence of it

the text post has no evidence at all. It' literally just some random text on a forum

so there's no reason to trust it over the other 'leaks'

[austere gazelle]

True. There is also legion stuff introduced in this expack that could evolve dh to a new direction too, its not out of the scope to think that it can be possible, shooting it down instantly as fake is dumb tough. If there are elements in a leak that would flag it as fake, its not this one

[rain cave]

if new specs are gonna be introduced we only have the aug template to go from. But that is only a sample size of 1 and was tied in more to their story

I'm all for them doing side stories that connect in but it's just a matter of scope and reward as well as other stuff

[austere gazelle]

I completely agree

[rain cave]

like I couldn't see them doing a monk spec anytime soon

because monks are a smaller playerbase, and their 3 specs cover pretty much everything they need atm

I do hope they get experimental with any new specs they decide to add. Not only because it could be more fun, but I think it would be less of a headache to basically make a self contained 1spec class playstyle injected into the side of another class

the thing I'm kind of curious about is how they might address the uneven-ness of it all

like when they add customisations for 1 race, some complain that another race didn't get anything

[austere gazelle]

Ah for the leak, khaz algar being under EK is possible but stupid. Odyn mentionned that the dwarves there got a culture matching the other existing dwarves without having any contact with those.

If there is a place for this without dwarves, it should be beneath kalimdor

[rain cave]

I await the community response if they only announce 1 class getting a new spec or something

[austere gazelle]

And there is a place where the dwarves began to dig in the barrens

[rain cave]

I'm fine with it, but i just know people will start keyboard warrioring. At least I expect it

I do wonder if to potentially combat that, they do multi-class specs

e.g. blade master has overlap with monk, rogue and warrior

so I wonder if they'd make it available to any combination of them, or just 1

and then have the talent trees be wholly enclosed

or tinker with rogue, hunter

these are all high concept things though, I don't expect them. It's just something I imagine they were throwing on the whiteboard at some point

do at least give us new weapon types if they add new specs though please blizz 😭

2h sword rogue would actually make me play rogue, or atleast something that only has a single 1h like a fencing playstyle

[worn crown]

The moment Evoker Aug was announced by Blizz, it felt obvious to me that we will get a 3rd DH spec eventually... just not necessarily now. It would be very weird for it to continue being the only class with 2 specs, so I DO think it wil have priority over other classes. And tbh, I do wonder why so many people seem to not take it for granted the next time Blizz add a new spec to an existing class. Yeah, yeah, opinions, I know 😛

[austere gazelle]

this. And they pretty much knew that all the attention and speculation would be ported on the DH for a new spec because of this, so they're pretty much aware they set a precedent for the evoker, and they'll have to deliver on this for the DH, because it is now expected.
As for the " now, it'll be weird " I'm not so sure, because we have the Legion plot who add a sudden evolution out of no where in the middle of Dragonflight with the rogue Eredar joigning the Alliance, and there is still the Illidan and Sargeras situation looming on the Horizon now that we know that Iridikron wants to lure the Titans to Azeroth. They could pull a " surprise, new legion content continues as DH master a new way of the fel thanks to the Eredar , third DH spec ! "
TBH I expected the Eredar to reunite with the Draenei , but not so soon, and not in the middle of a Dragon Xpack. It's maybe the foundation leading to the third DH spec that is paved by blizzard.

[rain cave]

because they said before that they didn't find anything substantial for a 3rd spec that was different enough back in legion

obv times can change

but they literally gave a reason as to why they only have 2 specs back then

I do think they'll add it

but there's nothing that puts them above other classes in terms of prio

only class who probably won't get a new spec anytime soon is druid because they have 4, and it's pretty wide what's covered

but there's a good list of classes and spec ideas, and in that DH doesn't really have anything well defined

there's ideas sure, but they'd have to do a lot of work compared to some other classes new specs I think

and if they want to add more support specs, DH is not the place to go imo

I think people are just latching onto an idea now and then trying to retroactively justify it. At least that's what I've seen some doing

but there's no evidence of a DH spec over anything else

[austere gazelle]

They said that they did not see the point to add another DPS spec which would feel redondant.
But now we're talking about support spec 😏

[rain cave]

augvoker still has a core identity that enables its gameplay though

that was the issue with DH

they couldn't think of an identity that was substantial enough for DPS

and I'd argue that a support spec for DH would be an even bigger leap

it's possible but so is warrior support spec

same shit

unlikely imo

[deep pawn]

I'm laughing at the one leak that said they'd use glaives still with a magic scythe ability

Just let them use polearms and staves

[pulsar minnow]

I'd like to see them figure out how the hell to balance a support spec before adding another one

but im very biased as a Devoker player who hates being forced into aug in all content

[subtle oar]

Something you and I can agrtee on. A support DH spec makes absolutely no sense. Even someone like Taliesin agrees with that sentiment. It makes more sense for DH to MAYBE get a ranged spec that is a ranged/Melee Hybrid wielding a Crossbow and having an ability like Flagilation.

[pulsar minnow]

i could kinda see them split havoc into two different specs

one more focused around metamorphasis and the other more focused around fel magic stuff/momentum

but also, that'd kinda cheapen the identity of both specs

[rain cave]

the thing is that the unused DH concepts, could go in ANY direction really. Not specifically support, but if they were to add something to DH to me it would make sense to add some hybrid thing yeah

maybe it could incorporate some support if they wanted, but not to aug's degree

more like shamans totem

[subtle oar]

Demonic runes/sigils on the ground yeah, but not support

[austere gazelle]

Fel augmentation / mutation / enhancement are entirely possible

[subtle oar]

Nah. It just some not fit the class thematically ayt all

[austere gazelle]

Moreover there will be future development that could oprn classes and spec to other school of magic

[subtle oar]

DH is all about torment and insane furocity

[austere gazelle]

For now.

[subtle oar]

A bard supp spec for Rogue is much more fitting

[rain cave]

so is arcane/time infusion, so is warrior shouting/banners, so is shaman elemental imbuing, so is paladin light augmentation, so is DK necromantic infusion

[deep pawn]

A debuff dh spec could absolutely work

[subtle oar]

Definitely not.

[deep pawn]

Why not?

Oh hey, a book excerpt

https://me.ign.com/en/comics/214182/preview/world-of-warcraft-dragonflight-war-of-the-scaleborn-exclusive-book-excerpt

This confuses me because it implies the dragon isles shrunk during the sundering...

But the cinematic when they leave for it they head across what looks like an ocean.

[rain cave]

I don't follow, why don't those things potentially work together

[deep pawn]

The sundering split apart Kalimdor but the DF cinematic implies the Isles were already separate from the continent. The idea of a massive Broodlands north of Kalimdor during the sundering doesn't match any maps we have of that time.

[rain cave]

I thought we already knew the dragon isles were seperate

they are literally called the dragon isles, and in the trailer we saw an ocean as they flew towards kalimdor during the sundering/war of the ancients

and it's the same logic of why pandaria, zandalar, broken isles weren't on our maps before their respective xpacs

[deep pawn]

Yes but what the hell happened to the massive Dragonwilds that surrounded it then between the book excerpt and the sundering

[rain cave]

sunk probably

a lot of land sunk in the sundering, that must have also displaced water and caused flooding as well. so maybe a combination

[deep pawn]

From what is my question. I suppose the war in the book could be why but it's definitely not the sundering

[rain cave]

the shoreline in the DF cinematic does look very strange

[deep pawn]

Cause the waking shores are on the wrong side to be looking at the well.

[rain cave]

isn't he in azure span?

[deep pawn]

Is he? Wherever it is was volcanic than bloomed like the waking shore.

[rain cave]

also when we see the well in the sky we're looking outward from tyrhold

not tony's pov

[deep pawn]

He didn't go through the ice area around Vakthros

[rain cave]

it's from tyrhold

but it's still weird perspective

since that towers on the right when in reality it would be on the left ig?

[deep pawn]

Not sure. That has to be looking southwest but the water looks way too close for that to be Brackenhide

[rain cave]

isn't the layout a bit like this

red are the waterways coming out from tyrhold

blue are valdrakken and tyrhold

[deep pawn]

I suppose it could be rotated some so the forbidden reach is north

Just strange, my guess is the book will show the destruction of the wilds

[rain cave]

green would have to be the POV

give or take ofc

[deep pawn]

The sundering absolutely could have moved the isles east while Northrend shot north past it

[rain cave]

yeah

that's what's likely

[deep pawn]

But still we'll have to see what happened to the wilds

[rain cave]

bit of the ol continental drift

just rewatched the DF cinematic

made me realize it would be an odd repeat if the next xpac is all about unveiling a new continent behind a storm + titan connection

also tangent but now I'm thinking about a 4th mage spec focused around cosmic void casting 😭

[subtle oar]

That was the Waking Shores, yes

[ember blaze]

yeah... so torment your enemies by making them weaker and increase dmg taken(just like brand)... Infuse allies with temporary fel powers to boost their powers...

you just have to be creative

[vernal juniper]

https://twitter.com/LeystTv/status/1716133579942424732

world rewamp confirmed

[rain cave]

these have been getting added bit by bit for a while now

and it wouldn't surprise me if they used them

but it could be part of a world remaster than a revamp

like they just replace all the old models with these but leave the experience as is

[dense plover]

^^^^ this is what I think they’re working on

The big thing to figure out is trees - they need to have the same hit boxes but look as good

If they can replace all the trees, zones like dusk wood and elwynn will look great

[subtle oar]

Nah, 100% a Revamp is coming. If not 11.0 then 12. Ion confirmed one is coming in the future and that they learned from their Cata mistakes. That doesnt mean no Revamp, it means a Revamp then doesnt delete the old world; AKA Using Zoridormi to let your swap back and forth and not locking the Revamp to an expansion specific theme like in Cata where every zone is locked in Cata and not aging well.

[subtle oar]

Both Ion and Steve have both said they hate that the old world in locked in Cata and feel so disjointed from the rest of the game. A revamp is in the cards for the future and it will be one that isn't locked to any 1 Xpacs theme and can be enjoyed regardless of what ever is the current xpac.

[rain cave]

fair

just wonder how they'll fit it in

would it be presented as the same as how revamped talents were presented? like here look we reworked this

or would it be part of the main content of the xpac?

[austere gazelle]

We're trying to make sense of something that is a mistake on their part :

The cinematic are done way before the actual content is finalized. So they did the cinematic based on earlier concept of the zone and map and those changed over the course of development, making the cinematic not sync with the latest content. That's why you see entrance to Tyrhold ( from the bottom, that is no longer in the game ) and other stuff that are not logical. Since cinematics takes a lot of time to render, they can't correct them at the last moment since it'll take too much time and money to do this.

[pulsar minnow]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/b/b7/Dragonflight_cinematic_-_Return_of_dragons.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20220429032338

There’s also this picture

But yeah overall doesn’t really matter

It’s a cinematic at the end of the day, the only point is to look cool, introduce a setting/theme, and generate hype

[spice creek]

Personally, I can suspend my disbelief by virtue of the "lore" world already not being representative of the in-game world. For one, it's not a 1:1 scale and there are also multiple inconsistencies. Just take the difference of the models themselves - especially certain characters - between their cinematic, detailed counterparts and their in-game appearances. I chalk this difference down to that as well, not to mention you could throw various reasons up as explainations as for why it's different.

The first of which could, in the words of our favorite Archmage, just as well be ...

https://tenor.com/view/wow-world-of-warcraft-khadgar-magic-shia-labeouf-gif-27503644

[austere gazelle]

We can say that those cinematics are another ... Point of Vue 😏 We're seeing the Isle through dragons eyes, and they do not have the same perspective as ours

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1716499746204823985/photo/3

any hints there? 👀

[rain cave]

I mean

it does look stormy however

they wouldn't have the set literally spoil an announcement

imagine if they built a giant fel structure at blizzcon before announcing legion

could be for emerald dream stuff?

[pulsar minnow]

It looks almost like dragon isles architecture

It could also just be generic blizzard fantasy style stuff

[rain cave]

the runes look a bit draconic to me

the decoration

[pulsar minnow]

I remember BFA was announced a stage that looked like this

[rain cave]

I'm curious about the blue here, it looks like tape

[warm topaz]

for me they are like SL runes

[rain cave]

nah SL runes are different

[pulsar minnow]

They’re not thankfully

[rain cave]

domination runes are quite simplistic

[rain cave]

but we aren't seeing it in proper lighting or even with correct colors

[pulsar minnow]

These are domination runes

[rain cave]

those LEDs could be color changing

so could be green

in fact I'm betting there will be color changes

these look like diffusers

the runes will be lit up

that orb potentially as well?

since it screws on and has wiring

btw those rune bands are bigger than you might think, they're in the other pic

[crystal pond]

When blizzcon happening again?

[rain cave]

AH i see what the blue is

they taped the lower sections and then spray painted them blue

[pulsar minnow]

Nov 3

[rain cave]

so in the final pic you see the blue channels on the pillars

where they masked out the paint and took off the tape

[pulsar minnow]

What’s weird is that I don’t think those runes are draconic

[rain cave]

could be titan

but unsure

titan runes are blockier I think

[silent urchin]

I presume this is for the corridor of time thing they already revealed

[pulsar minnow]

But also again- it’s very likely it’s just generic fantasy runes or smth

[pulsar minnow]

Wait that’s probably it

[silent urchin]

which afaik is a bunch of their museum archive exhibits

[pulsar minnow]

Nice catch

[silent urchin]

There's some definite similarities to the bronze dragonflight stuff, like the doti dungeon entrance

[austere gazelle]

it's draconic.

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1716512373186658651

[warm topaz]

yeah!

[dense plover]

So probably just the corridor of time decos

Not expac related

[hard pagoda]

something wrong with Tirisifal Glades and Western Plaguelands (cant fly there in 10.2 PTR)

and cant see myself on the map

[dense plover]

Probably something broken with Halloween or event stuff

[hard pagoda]

was thinking that too

[dense plover]

I would report it and move on

[hard pagoda]

yep reported already

ooff 😄 got stuck

tried to access it via Western Plaguelands

[harsh wedge]

That's the exact bug I've had twice going inside Zaralek caverns. With everything broken, and I've only had this bug while zoning inside the caverns. Are they adding that tech here ? 🤔

[hard pagoda]

I think those special Halloween dungeons should be possible to do without this kind of stuff

[upper pasture]

Yeah but PTRs be like that sometimes

[austere gazelle]

If we got a full underground expack, maybe they are doing a lots of stuff under :p

[dense plover]

Not how that works at all

[austere gazelle]

I know, it was a joke

[harsh wedge]

Still weird that that bug that appear only when zoning in the new "tech" is appearing on a completely unrelated zone

[hard pagoda]

yep it seems weird.. but tbh I wish Undercity got revamped

new underground Undercity

I know few WoW players who didnt even know Undercity was underground

[deep pawn]

"Generally speaking, when you get a piece of gear from the new raid, it should be a useful upgrade over the previous season's gear immediately. This change ensures that will happen."

😦

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1716545030318354553?s=20

white scales confirmed

[upper pasture]

finally!

[subtle oar]

Well that's awesome

[subtle oar]

I genuinely dislike Retail gearing. None of the gear feels impsctful anymore. Like in Wrath I've been grinding since ICC launch to get the Frosts I need for my 2 best tier upgrades. Tonight I'll have Crafted pants I need to equipped 3 other pieces of gear, including the 2 tier pieces. I love planning around stats like Hit. The 4 items, once equipped will be a huge dps boost.

[dense plover]

Reposting the link to this so it has the image embed https://fxtwitter.com/Warcraft/status/1716545030318354553?t=dJsRjpaPzvTsEgxrDojL9g&s=19

Curious if the nether wing or faerie will have white scales too

[deep pawn]

inb4 "white savior" stuff

[dense plover]

They still haven’t fixed the netherwing not having scale colors and having the wrong default color tho

[deep pawn]

I really hope he doesn't order-infuse Vyranoth somehow

[crystal pond]

Since those new rune bands and bronze aesthetics maybe its a, you know, murozond maybe?

I just funny speculating nothing serious
Cause they can not care about this at all, and this runes can be not related to dragons at all

[deep pawn]

We already know they have the hallway of time to relive WoW memories

[dense plover]

Pretty sure it’s just the corridor of time stuff

[deep pawn]

wow, HotS has a ptr up

[upper pasture]

HotS revival???

[silent urchin]

seems fairly minor but I guess it's the first actual patch since march last year

[spice creek]

Arguably great news, either way.

[tepid fiber]

It just needs some attention. Plenty of people still favor it to DotA or League, and it felt more active after the maintenance mode announcement

[spice creek]

Indubitably.

[deep pawn]

they had a bug fix patch last month

[silent urchin]

I was excluding all the ones that were just very minor fixes or new store items

[deep pawn]

the patch last month was pretty big all things considered

none of us know why hots is suddenly getting attention

[molten niche]

Hots could have been better if they get rid of the dumb crap on the map that attacks ur enemies base

Make it a legit moba

[crystal pond]

Wdym?

[molten niche]

Lol have u ever played hots? The bonus objectives 9n tge map that attack ur enemies base is pretty pointless. Need to make it more like a moba like league or smite

[crystal pond]

Yes i did play hots i just didn't understand that you mean the camp mobs

I only have issue with boss mobs on map
Other ones are just fun mechanic

[molten niche]

The camo mobs are fine its the main bs on every map that is bad

Cuz 9 times out of 10 ur team doesn't do it

[crystal pond]

Its not even that somebody do it or not
That crap can literally push the whole line
Im not even talking about raven map

[molten niche]

If it was a regular moba it could of had potential

[crystal pond]

It has potential
A lot of people playing in it
Hots is the only game in that i never actually waited in line for other people to join (even in ranked)
However
As I heard hots have problems with realisation in sports, so it means no money/less money, and if we remember who ran Blizzard when hots got cancelled

[rain cave]

That's its usp

If it was just a normal moba like the others why would they play it

I like the objectives, it gives an alternative win condition and stresses teamwork

Teamwork should always be key in mobas

[molten niche]

Ppl would play it cuz its wow universe

[crystal pond]

Its will never me a normal moba because of gameplay in general
Aka mechanics make it way different from dota or lol, or other moba

[rain cave]

It's every universe

Hots was fun I liked it because of its differences

I like all the main mobas, but because of their differences

If hots tried to blend in I'd just lose interest

[crystal pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/fyrakk-encounter-arena-visual-effects-datamined-335697?webhook

Is it will be another raid that we will about to lose but then gonna win?

Its just dont look like wipe mechanic

[upper pasture]

Maybe burns progressively as the fight/phase goes on then a soak mechanic that we have to “survive” until the tree blooms.

Would be pretty neat if the final phase of a fight was on the back of the healers and not just burning down a boss

Like maybe the last 10% of fyrakk he goes supernova and deals X amount shadowflame damage around and loses Y amount himself until he burns out. But deals 500% percent to the tree if no one is on that last platform

[crystal pond]

Oh it will be amazing
Does... I forgot how it called... Dungeon book have info about fyrakk abilities?

[upper pasture]

Not sure, haven’t looked. I think they usually keep the last one a secret atleast on mythic

[harsh mason]

This is a wipe animation

Both the animation and the description of the ability. In battle, in addition to the fact that Fyrakk kills players, he also tries to fill the tree with flames. That is, wipe can both because of the players' smkrty, and because he managed to fill the tree

[upper pasture]

did you watch the whole animation tho? it seems the fire nearly consumes the tree then has a "surge" of power then heals itself. seems like a scripted event in the fight

don't get me wrong losing the tree to fire is a wipe mechanic of the fight but that animation tells us pretty much how the fight is gonna end

[crystal pond]

I think that fyrakk will corrupt tree but on the last second hope(aspects related thing) will arrive or something like that and tree will be restored and fyrakk will be ded

[upper pasture]

yeah maybe that's when the embrace will happen then cutscene aspects empowered then finish off fyrakk

[harsh mason]

The tree will have 3 different states depending on the phase, yes (and yes, it will gradually burn down (which is why, for example, the souls of night elves will fly out of the heart of the tree). But tutt is a very fast animation (that's why I'm writing that it will be a wipe animation).

[upper pasture]

if it's a wipe then why would the tree rebloom?

that doesn't make sense. it seems like it's a end of the fight animation, hence the hold out until the tree blooms-ish feel.

[harsh mason]

Judging by the description of the battle, in the first phase he will try to open the heart of the tree, in the intermission he opens the heart of the tree and tries to fill it with flame, in the second phase because of this the souls of the elves fly out and we will need to heal them. In phase 3, the tree will begin to bloom and give seeds, and Fyrakk will try to burn these seeds. So yes, according to the plot of this fight, he will partially fill the tree with flame, but as I have already written, the animation of " burning" is too fast

[upper pasture]

it very deliberately looks like we're losing the fight and the tree is being consumed then all of a sudden the tree seems to cure/regrown the burnt parts of itself. not just reset

like if it's a fail state animation they could have just cut it in half and been done with it. it's the later half that makes it seems less of a failure animation and more of a transition or end of fight animation

[harsh mason]

Although yes, this is most likely the moment between the intermission and the second phase

In any case, I am sure that now another wave of hysteria will begin around "night elves are being offended again", without understanding what it is at all

[dense plover]

There’s no way they’re burning this tree

[upper pasture]

This tree gets “burnt” but then fixes itself and we win no burnt tree anymore.

[pulsar minnow]

I kinda hope the tree is burnt but nozdormu breaks the “true timeline” in order to save it

But that would also feel kind of cheap…

[novel zodiac]

i hope they do, i wanna see more night elfs cry

move all the refugees to dragon isles and then burn it

[obtuse vine]

I was thinking about this too, would be quite cool

[pulsar minnow]

Would definitely give us something “climactic” to end the expansion with

I refuse to believe that this expansion will just end with “oh boy guys fyrakk is dead and now we’re aspects again!” It’d be boring

[upper pasture]

I can almost guarantee that if this is the last major patch it’s gonna end with “oh boy we’re aspects again” but look what Iridikron has done this whole time we’ve been dealing with Sark and Fyrakk.

And Iridikron sets in motion the next expansion

[pulsar minnow]

Oh yeah but if it’s just that and not more substance I’ll be disappointed

I think the world tree’s death would be enough for Nozdormu to break the whole “true timeline” bs because it fucks over everyone except the titans and really shows their true colors

[upper pasture]

I don’t because we’ve already had a world tree die why would he intervene now instead of then?

[silent urchin]

cause he had that moment with the infinite dragon and realised feelings were important

[upper pasture]

I mean, time dragon can just go back in time and stop it

[warm topaz]

i have never understood why people creates leaks like this one:

World of Warcraft The Void Lords: The intrepid adventurers of Azeroth face...

like, explaining the plot of the expansion

thats clearly so fake, stop doing that

[rain cave]

almost certainly the only leaks we'd get would be launch/announcement material

and those won't have further plot details beyond that announcement lmao

[dense plover]

we will probably get a similar leak to the last 2

which was a pic/snippet of promo art

or a snap of a still of a cinematic

unlikely to get much more

[austere gazelle]

or a leak of an obscure new area name that we never heard before ( like the Kyrian && bastion)

[dense plover]

that leak was like - the day before right?

[spice creek]

IIRC, the Bastion leak was a few weeks or a month earlier. The day(s) before BlizzCon was the accidental publication of a still from the Shadowlands cinematic on the Blizzard store. There was an available hyperlink, I believe, that was up for a little bit and that managed to get snatched almost immediately and put up online.
https://gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/world-of-warcraft-bolvar.jpg

[dense plover]

right

i remember fighting over it because the red/blue was confusing

but it was explained in the cinematic

[vernal juniper]

ot but nice to see

https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/1716608098868285530

they are reviving the game

[spice creek]

Quite! That said, I think my favorite leak was the Chains of Domination-patch. If memory serves, a press representative somehow publically published the press release document.

Which, conveniently, had all the features of the patch and its content neatly described in a short brief along with the patch logo. Hysterical.

[dense plover]

yeah like a day before i think?

[rain cave]

I get the lore for it but I was kind of disappointed that bolvar just turns blue and does typical lich king shit instead of using his uniqueness

while that's on the topic

[crystal pond]

Shadowlands cinematic (with bolvar) was trash to be fair

Not graphic wise but narrative

[spice creek]

https://tenor.com/view/lich-king-hero-thrown-gif-15757866

https://tenor.com/view/lich-king-fire-flame-world-of-warcraft-standing-up-gif-15750027

https://tenor.com/view/bolvar-lich-king-epic-wow-warcraft-gif-15456649

[rain cave]

it was cool to see them fight, I just wish bolvar wasn't blue and using frost

especially since for the rest of the xpac he doesn't use it, and is shown being more fiery

[pulsar minnow]

I wish bolvar did something in shadowlands 🤷‍♂️

Dude just sat in front of a table for two years and got his ass handed to him every time he showed his face

[austere gazelle]

Like Baine " maybe she should'nt" Bloodhoof

[pulsar minnow]

Baine is the physical representation of the players in shadowlands

Sitting in oribos doing nothing and hating on Sylvanas’ story arc

[worn crown]

I loved the cinematic for SL, especially when Bolvar thinks Sylvanas will wear the hell and instead she breakis, saying: "This world is a prison, and I will set us all free".

One of the most impactful moments in WoW cinematics for me.

And then the main plot was baaad 😦

Well, Bolvar in SL isn't much different from Alexzs in DF, tbh

[pulsar minnow]

Eh. Alexstrasza has been much more active in events. Bolvar was booted out of the story at every opportunity

[spice creek]

As lacklustre of an excuse as it might be, I wager that there was a significant amount of Bolvar-specific content that ended up on the cutting room floor in the rearrangement of Shadowlands' patch cycle. Especially concerning what was likely the planned experience of the expansion and what we sadly eventually ended up with.

´
I doubt Bolvar was intended to be anything less than Khadgar was in both Warlords of Draenor and perhaps most notably Legion.

[harsh mason]

Very much, since Alex fought twice against the main antagonist of the first patch

Well, their roles are different, Bolvar was positioned initially as our guide in SL, and Alex is one of the 4 aspects that are on the SAME roles. That is, it is no more important than the same Kalesgos or Nozdormu

The developers have said since the announcement that she will play an important role in the first zone (and then other dragons in other zones). And so it happened

Well, let's be fair: there is no exp in which one character played the central role of the entire exp. This is nonsense, no one will do that. Exp is called dragonflight, not Alexstrasza's Adventures

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Russell_Brower/status/1716950910528884916?s=33

im sad

[vernal juniper]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15wSj0sz9_2nObIaGs7noXbUxtPW3fCPE9Cup7QvT568/edit#gid=1758213767

most of them are going in the same direction

[crystal pond]

I only hope that new expansion will give us more world exploration then df, and more stuff across the world and not primarily in one-two location on map

Bfa but better

[vernal juniper]

my hope is for a Black Empire, Nzoth expantion but nobody is leaking about it

If I remember they said they are doing something with the sword this exp

so this make, sadly, a lot of sense

https://i.imgur.com/SGaJL0S.jpeg

[crystal pond]

Oh right the sword i forgot

[vernal juniper]

it will be probably something underground

with all the possible leak we got, the towliiee tweet removed and the scarabs mounts incoming

[harsh mason]

I remember how people were happy that in DF everything is very close and there is no need to move through 300 portals to locations. So I don't think it will be any different in the new exp. I didn't like the fact that in bfa I spent a lot of game time moving to the location

[crystal pond]

"Very close" Or maybe because blizzard made dragon riding that making you fly way faster and getting into location way faster then before?

And i said "bfa but better"
Cause no i don't want another expansion like bfa, but bfa did have some cool stuff that i want to see

[harsh mason]

That's not the point. It's about the location of the locations. The bfa had 2 different continents (plus locations in the old world). Then we achieved two more separate locations outside the BFA zones. And you just spent time trying to get from Nazmir to Mechagon (playing for the alliance) through Boralus, for example. And then back to Boralus to get to Nazjatar. And then from Nazjatar to Uldum (and from there to Stormwind to get to Pandaria. No dragonriding would speed up this movement

[austere gazelle]

yet he was suddenly propelled at the leadership of the covenants armies in Zereth Mortis somehow...

As for the expansion, I envision Nagas playing a huge role, as foreshadowed before.

We haven't heard of the future of the Tidestone since Nazjatar, and that stone can be used to repel water from a specific point, we know that much.

Considering this, and considering there will be some " storm " involved, there are two possibilities.

1 - Avaloren, to the west ( or east )
2- The Maelstrom with the raging tempest above

For the point 2

• Azshara could remove the water around the maelstrom to create a new path leading to the center of the earth. The storm above could descend downard and lead to the giant rift, now opened, leading to many path and corridor, to forgotten place. You'll have to fly from rift to rift navigating through the tempest as you're going down. The stormy wind would engulf and pass into the forgotten tunnel to ancient place forgotten by all, and culminate at the depth to the remains of Deathwing, the ruins of the well of Eternity, with a link to current deepholme ( not the dimensional copy made by the titans to lock Therazane ) , and, finally, the center of Azeroth.
  ( And if its not Azshara, it could be Iridikron with his earthly power cutting down the flow of water from reaching the center of the Maelstrom )
  You'll follow him to the deep places, the black waters will flows in his wake

This would also ties with the second part of Cataclysm, heavily centered around the maelstrom, as an elemental expansion.

[rain cave]

Laughing at the idea of the top of the sword just sticking out of the ceiling of an underground zone

[vernal juniper]

well the lore is not so great lately so

it will make more sense of what they are planning to do

[last sphinx]

You'll follow him to the deep places, the black waters will flows in his wake
Deep we plumbed, seeking knowledge of the world. Deeper still we delved, until our fate was inevitable.

[jade basalt]

Not sure if you've seen but Amazon has a lot of pages of the new novel available on preview

[harsh mason]

Is there something new there, or is it just about the dialogue between Alex and Vyranoth?

[pulsar minnow]

To summarize the pages from Amazon. It’s saying that Fyrakk is Alex’s cousin, Iridikron and Fyrakk were first to ally. Iridikron’s lair is in northern (pre sundering) kalimdor in a place called the Harrowsdeep. And lastly Tyr sorta ordered the aspects to start converting proto drake eggs. Alex instead only converted eggs found alone and unguarded

[jade basalt]

Also Fyrakk was the first to find out about how to infuse oneself with the elements.

And to (openly) rebel against the Aspects.

Then Iridikron took over. And really mistreated Fyrakk lol, slammed him to the ground and almost killed him to establish dominance.

Also it was Alexstrasza who allowed the infusion of the protodragon eggs with Order magic.

[harsh mason]

Well, now it's clear why Fyrakk allowed everything to be done in its own way.

[pulsar minnow]

Ngl, I kinda wish all the stuff in this book was- yknow, put in the game

It explains Fyrakk’s dynamic with the rest of the incarnates, gives reason to the order of events- all that

[harsh mason]

This also explains his desire for power (to the detriment of the goals of the primalists). It's about the same when you and a friend are doing a school project, and then this "friend" takes all the glory for the work on himself, and you remain just the guy who helped him

Сan someone please drop a link to this? I can't find it

[upper pasture]

https://www.amazon.com/Untitled-World-Warcraft-Novel-Ballantine/dp/0399594213/ref=sr_1_1?crid=VWI82063AOU1&keywords=world+of+warcraft+war+of+the+scaleborn&qid=1697936791&sprefix=world+of+warcraft%3A+wa%2Caps%2C725&sr=8-1&asin=0399594213&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1

[jade basalt]

Fyrakk always had that desire for power, even before even meeting Iridikron, or even before becoming elemental, he was just apparently always trying to fight people for giggles.

He was rebelling against the Aspects/dragonflights basically because it gave him a reason to fight people.

[upper pasture]

under the photo if it doesn't pop up right away there's a "read sample" button

[harsh mason]

I'm not talking about that, but about the fact that in 10.1.7 he literally says that "the opinion of Iridikron goes to hell"

[harsh mason]

Thanks

there is more information and interesting points here, but of course these are spoilershttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/book-spoilers-war-of-the-scaleborn/1694212

[ember blaze]

Yeah wtf, that’s a lot of nice information to know

[upper pasture]

oh man, i wonder if Iridikron lives until 11.0 we well indeed see a old world revamp and have new locations added to the old world like this Harrowsdeep

[upper pasture]

or of course we could just see harrowsdeep being dealt with in the context of the book and not have it added in the game

[crystal pond]

Funny enough
The dracthyr past moments (that definitely will be in book) originally was encrypted on beta

They remove it because "let make more money from books"

I think that the reason why there almost no deep dive in game about dracthyr past and training exept "ye aberrus stuff ye reach aaahhhh that's it"

There still no clear explanation in game why neltharion created dracthyrs in first place

[ember blaze]

Are you sure

Isn’t it established in game it was to defend against the primalists

[crystal pond]

Oh right i fucked up sorry

[ember blaze]

Then there were a couple dracthyr only quests

[crystal pond]

But still there is events/quests about dracthyrs past, only memory stuff, and not all of it
I am still wonder how in hell malygos and neltharion managed to hide the whole new race from other aspects

And why neltharion did locked them away (didn't kill them) instead of using them

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83bc-086rPU

[crystal pond]

This cinematic is freaking sick

[harsh mason]

Well, like I said, he hates Iridikron too.

[crystal pond]

Lmao

Oops major spoiler everyone

[pulsar minnow]

Is that a leak?

No shot fyrakk gets archimonde’d that’s hilarious

[warm topaz]

what is that?

[crystal pond]

A spoiler from internet

[warm topaz]

but what are we seeing there?

[crystal pond]

||of course its a meme guys hello||

[warm topaz]

i was so confuse lmao

[pulsar minnow]

Fooled me lmao

I see now it’s just the wc3 cinematic

[last sphinx]

Crown of Flame Light will bring only Darkness?🧐

[pulsar minnow]

Pretty legit looking leak going around for next expansion and the zones

[upper pasture]

do enlighten us

[thin warren]

Yes indeed!

[deep pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965753133152223233/1166939138457612308/IMG_8863.png?ex=654c4fc3&is=6539dac3&hm=80c5334f5e435ba2f5bbb0c8c319a7822eb2e18d452b477cd0aa1f3f0df8e07b&

[thin warren]

Fancy!

[pulsar minnow]

I think thats it honestly

Thats THE leak

and its definitely not AI

[novel zodiac]

yeah, looks disapointing, so this is the one 100%

[pulsar minnow]

...? okay?

its just zones lol

[novel zodiac]

the same zones we get every expansion, desert forest, snow and wood

[deep pawn]

I was about to say we didn't get desert but I forgot about the bronze area

[thin warren]

we didn't had a desert now!

ah, yes, a little one

smoll

[novel zodiac]

for a second i thought it was fake because that zone with the harpy looks like vol'dun

[deep pawn]

Funnily enough there's an ogre like thing in the background of that if you remember the aggorand leak

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I think that one is real

do you have it saved anywhere by chance?

[pulsar minnow]

same skybox

yup

[deep pawn]

Ogres and Harpies would definitely be called old school

[novel zodiac]

if we get playable ogres i want them to be ogres and not some pseudo ones that are ogres but not really

[deep pawn]

Only reason I gave that one any credence was that aggramar was indirectly responsible for ogres

[pulsar minnow]

They look like a cross between ogres and dwarves.

honestly- cool

Oh man wait this is even more damning now

one of the zones in the Agg'orand leak is called the Everward

I'd bet money the foresty looking zone is our everward

[deep pawn]

Nah, the titany jungle

[pulsar minnow]

thats what I meant sorry

[novel zodiac]

if there's native ogres of azeroth that means we got a Evergrowth kind of problem here too?

[pulsar minnow]

I mean they're not really ogres so much as they are just earthen resembling ogres

they dont have the tusks or anything

[deep pawn]

They're ogre shaped named after Aggramar

[pulsar minnow]

Oh also

Full image of this

The bottom bit - Khaz Alghar's described as being a sort of "aerie" stronghold - and there are giant bird statues in the background of the new leak

Oh- and there's a titan facility on Khaz Alghar. Probably Uldaz

[deep pawn]

Press kits would likely be out by now since they sent the books out too

[upper pasture]

i mean this also leaked a few weeks ago

[pulsar minnow]

yeah

I'm just bringing it up again because it looks like it's related

[upper pasture]

that background is just DF backdrop tho

[pulsar minnow]

its not

ive checked- the dragon isles artwork is my background

[upper pasture]

i mean it's not 1 for 1 but its too similar

[pulsar minnow]

but it looks like some of Jimmy Lo's work, he's one of their godly artists and it seems like his work

its def his style

[silent urchin]

It's certainly higher effort than other leaks, but I'm not entirely convinced. It looks like a bunch of existing assets in a lot of places, kinda weird compositions, and a few other strange bits.

[deep pawn]

It's too low res to say for sure on any of it

[silent urchin]

yeah that's the main issue, if this is a press kit leak then they butchered the hell out of it

I also doubt press kits are actually out

[upper pasture]

and i also doubt press kits were out when this first leaked

[deep pawn]

The website would be different than presumably an announcement cinematic still meant for news article galleries

Remember the Dracthyr leaks were directly from the media kit given to news sites

[autumn dagger]

The bg could very well be a placeholder until the art was ready

[pulsar minnow]

It looks to be an expansion reveal trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsZ9xkVQ_Vs

Like BFA's

Or SL, or really any expansion revealed at blizzcon

[autumn dagger]

Yeah i think this leak is p much the real deal

[deep pawn]

I'm not sure. It'd feel a bit safe if it was

4 zones, 8 dungeons, 4 renowns, and a raid would be like "okay" for me.

[autumn dagger]

Maybe they decided to play it safe until they got chris on board

[deep pawn]

They can't afford safe for 20th anniversary after cutting DF short on purpose

[pulsar minnow]

It’s only a part of the leak. Not the whole thing. Is there more to it?

It’s just the zones not the features

[autumn dagger]

Right

[deep pawn]

I'm just extrapolating based on what Blizzard has said has worked this expansion

They like renowns as reputation

[pulsar minnow]

I think it’s safe to assume we’ll see renown come back in this form for sure

Personally I like the setting- but yeah they need to give us some cool features or I’ll be really let down

[autumn dagger]

They have to up the ante somehow bc most of the features implemented in DF were evergreen, they can be scaled upwards, but they were there to build a foundation moving forward, they were not expansion exclusive

Unless they say that having these features allowed them to focus more on the story or smth

[pulsar minnow]

I'd be really curious what they'd even do for expansion features since we're looking to stay away from borrowed power

crossing fingers for some challenging solo content

[upper pasture]

gibe us housing! i want evergreen content not tied to player power! D:

[crystal pond]

Continent with primal dwarfs huh?
Bronzebeard time?

[dense plover]

I don’t think it’s real

Mainly because if it was, they would’ve DMCA’d it already

The bolvar leak had to be reuploaded over and over

It is close ish to when we should see leaks

But it seems too edited, in that the 4 screenshots wouldn’t be formatted like that

And the framing looks weird

It also sorta just looks like cobbled together versions of existing zones

The statue in the back of the storm one looks almost exactly like the big statue in stormheim

The desert looks very similar to the salt flat area in voldun

If it is real, I’ll need more to be impressed, but right now I’m leaning towards not real

[pulsar minnow]

I thought the same and took a look at the salt flats in-game. they’re actually different

And for the statue, they’re different

Different axe, it’s held in the wrong hand at the wrong position, and the dwarf statue has a large beard, long hair, and the right hand is holding up a hammer

And no helmet

[harsh mason]

Wow currently has only 2 deserts out of more than 30 locations.

[deep pawn]

I'm fine if it's fake cause it'd be just more of DF which I guess jives with their typical "It takes us 2 years to respond to feedback"

[dense plover]

This is factually wrong

Silithus, uldum, tanaris, voldun, blasted lands, hellfire peninsula, part of that zone where auchindoun is in Outland

[harsh wedge]

Looking at it quick (through wowpedia), here are things categorized as deserts, all of them look like deserts to me:

[dense plover]

Uh that zone northish of ungoro that was partially greened in cata but is still mostly desert

Barrens

Yep

Those

Desolace was the cata zone I was thinking of

There are tons of deserts

[harsh wedge]

You could remove the current version of Thousand Needles, but the vanilla version of it was definitely a desert

[dense plover]

For sure - modern TN doesn’t count

It’s a lake

But yeah - tons of deserts

Literally 4 right next to each other on kalimdor

[harsh mason]

Well, wowpedia doesn't know what a desert is, unfortunately

[dense plover]

Uh dude

I think YOU don’t

[harsh wedge]

Biggest desert on earth is in Antartica, desert does not mean "big flat land made out of sand"

[dense plover]

^^^^^

And the aesthetic in that picture is absolutely similar to stuff like northern barrens, desolace, blasted lands, etc

[harsh mason]

Okay, if we just take desert locations in this sense, then there are still few of them

[dense plover]

There’s a bunch

I would argue there is no “under represented” major biome in wow these days, and if we want new, it needs to be weird

[deep pawn]

I'm on the side of I kinda hope this is fake cause I wanted something bigger.

[dense plover]

Rarest zones are cities tbh - suramar, dalaran, ogrimmar, stormwind, valdrakken, boralus, zuldazar

Give me another suramar

[deep pawn]

The one plus I'd give this is it isn't "storms" like I feared or at least not permanent storms we're flying through to justify stormriding

[vernal juniper]

the leaks looks real af

it has the correct image ratio also

hmm

have you seen in the second picture

the gryphon look kinda the leak we got

1 month ago

[warm topaz]

probably fake but, thoughts?

[vernal juniper]

probably not fake

it has a lot of green flags, few red flags to be fake

[warm topaz]

i like all the zones a lot

people shiting on the "exp leak" for those pictures

i cant 😵

[deep pawn]

eh?

[vernal juniper]

it is not shiting

I think it is underwhelming

no?

if it is real, looks like the old zones with reused assets

[deep pawn]

If it's real the features will have to do a ton of heavy lifting

[vernal juniper]

I mean the 3rd picture its Nazmir re-skinned with the arpie with a different color

or voldun, can't remember, one of these 2

[deep pawn]

It's pretty different from Voldun

[vernal juniper]

https://marlamin.com/u/chrome_vFnfyeHtRR.png

this bot hates me

the golem is a reskin https://marlamin.com/u/chrome_ozgYloW0xV.png

same golem, different colors, look like more real now

[deep pawn]

yeah, he compared a bunch of stuff

[vernal juniper]

I was the original poster of the zoomed images and I removed it, you know

wanna avoid legal problems xD

even if the image was not mine, but from the leak itself

[deep pawn]

eh, you would only be in trouble if you were the original poster

[vernal juniper]

yeah but whatever, I've zoomed the leak, posted and deleted.

[harsh wedge]

I'm not sure at a 100%, but why do I feel like I have seen one the Djaradin (one the big boys from dragonflight) in this exact position ? I can't seem to find it but that scene looks like something I have seen before

[deep pawn]

it's identical to the agg'ora

[vernal juniper]

it is different

similar indeed

https://imgur.com/xviqDe7

[harsh wedge]

No no, I really meant a Djaradin in this pose overlooking something attacking them just like the harpy

[vernal juniper]

agg'pramd has different shoulders for example

[vernal juniper]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2630723-Dragonflight-10-X-Patches-amp-11-0-Speculation-Thread/page1872?p=54270574#post54270574

[warm topaz]

this is becoming so real guys

so hype

[austere gazelle]

Well, if this is real, I expected Avaloren to be much more alienish that what we had on the rest of Azeroth. lost continent, maybe the birthplace of Mu'sha and An'she, early races, proto Tauren, never seen structure, plants etc...

[subtle oar]

Proto Tauren are the Yaungol

[austere gazelle]

no, there are Tauren before them, the Shu'halo

[subtle oar]

-.-

We learned the origins of the Tauren. They started as the Yaungol. After the defeat of the Mogu, the Yaungol tribes split up, 1 tribe going North and becoming the Taunka, 1 tribe returning to Central Kalimdor to Cenarius and becoming the Tauren and 1 tribe remaining in Pandaria/Townlong Steppes

[austere gazelle]

To be more specific, the Earthmother tale explained that the Shu'alo were the first Taurens to be created. It's unclear if the Yaungol were them or when the Tales take place, but it implied that there was a first branch of Tauren that existed at the time of the Tale, some were corrupted by the Shadow, others not. Those were the original one.
What we may know about the Yaungol might be false, as implied by Xal'atath

The tauren here are remarkably resilient to corruption, considering their origins

[subtle oar]

Xalatath is a Void being. Everything they say can't be taken at face value and with a dumptruck of salt

[austere gazelle]

yet every stuff they said happened.
So, what you said stand actually true, but might not stay as it is. Particularly in this era of POV where the titan's world is all but fake propaganda

[subtle oar]

Also, the fairytale book is just that, it's fairy/folk tales, not strictly canon. It's cultural myth and legend

[austere gazelle]

I interpretated this as much, until everything that was in the Zovaal part became true ... <_<

[subtle oar]

It didn't tho

Zovaal is not in the Tauren myth

He is not Anshe

[austere gazelle]

Its in the fairytale book, along other stories, including the Earthmother one.
he said to Veressa he had a shard of her sister's soul.

[subtle oar]

Anshe is not a being, it is what the Tauren call the Sun

[subtle oar]

Ah that one. Mb, thought you were referring to the conjectured speculation that Anshe is Zovaal

[austere gazelle]

no, the only basis it held was a hole in a chest lol

[subtle oar]

That one is from the perspective of Vareesa herself from her first hand experience in a dream

[subtle oar]

Yeah
I nvr liked that line of speculation

[austere gazelle]

yes but everything the Jailer's said to her was true, and it was before the release of CoD, so I'm starting to believe that all of those " fairytales " got truthness in them

And since the Titan's rewrote what was the black empire, we can only guess that everything we know up to that point or before is unknown or has been manipulated, including Tauren lore that was just orally passed from generations to generations

[subtle oar]

I'm really not a huge fan of the whole rewrite of the Titans or the constant misconception between Titans and Titankeepers

[austere gazelle]

yet apparently blizzard is merging the difference more and more. The little books about Eonar and Aman'thul arguing about a tree is an example. I hoped that it was only the PoV of Odyn, but apparently its also the one of the Titans. Iridikron seems also to implies that the Titans wanted Azeroth for a specific stuff that was not really world soul related and that they were the main culprist behind what was happening, or else Iridikron would have went againt the keepers instead :/

[subtle oar]

I don't trust single word from iridikron

And absolutely detest the devs insistence that the Primal incarnates had quote "a good piloting of view but went too far"

Why did my phone auto correct point to piloting

Wtf

[austere gazelle]

I don't trust any of the dev when the words " point of vue " are mentionned anymore. Particularly after they admittance that they view lore mistake as " door for creativity " and not an acknowledgement of mistake that should be corrected. Mistakes can happen, but if you are not rigourous about it and shatter the frame of the universe you are in for " creativity stuff" to correct your mistake, then you are unravelling all of the stuff you did prior.

CF : chronicles which is now a " Titan PoV "

Metzen on the draenei had the correct behavior for this stuff : admitting his mistake and correcting it
Now its ' oh a mistake, lets hide it under the rug and transform it into something useful even if it does not make sense , if someone notices, give no explanations about it and ignore it"

[vernal juniper]

from weeks ago

https://i.vgy.me/O9XZgs.png

accurate with the images we got

[harsh mason]

Of course you can't trust him, he offended Fyrakk. My favorite fiery baby boy

[rain cave]

With the images we're getting this is sounding interesting

The question is how much of it could be leak bait if it is related

Gah

[twin remnant]

New leak

[vernal juniper]

the question is how many hours it takes to generate the 4 screens of today

I mean the golem in the last picture is in the game

with differen colors this mean

if it is fake you need to have a "local wow server" and create the models with differen colors if they are not in the database

they are not AI generated almost for sure

if fake it is done with private server and or model modifiers

[cosmic beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/repost-running-me-on-my-way-to-say-repost-synapse-x-gif-19110255

[dense plover]

Could be partial AI. Some of the AI stuff is getting impressively close. Considering how low res it is, AI is not off the table

[twin remnant]

Sorry mate I didn't scroll up

Just saw it

[warm topaz]

just like Alexstrasza shot

[dense plover]

? Wut?

[warm topaz]

wait maybe shot is not the word

this was one of the leak of DF

[twin remnant]

It's always in the same resolution

All the legit leaks

Maybe it's a wow dev

[dense plover]

Last leaks were CGI tho

This one isn’t

[warm topaz]

the Dracthyr too

[crystal pond]

Yeah ai generated when suddenly there is a lot of leaks in past 2 days and all of them are avaloren themed lol

When blizzcon is almost there

[dense plover]

I mean ofc they are. It’s the only lead people have

[warm topaz]

crazy to think that BlizzCon is in 8 days

[dense plover]

Blizzcon is still more than a week off, and I don’t think there’s any world where those 4 images stacked together would exist. They would be separate images

So someone had to edit them to get it like that in the first place

[crystal pond]

Lol
Okay
Somebody leaked images in private discors and someone other from discord edit them, and there 4 pictures instead of one

That can be a scenario

[dense plover]

But why edit them together - why not show each one separately

[crystal pond]

Because people

[dense plover]

Also, the dracthyr was believable because it was not low res like this

[crystal pond]

It was low res (the first ever one)

[dense plover]

No it wasn’t - it was from the press kit

There were like 7 images

[crystal pond]

Let just wait then

[dense plover]

Yup

[crystal pond]

But i am on the void/avaloren train

[dense plover]

I don’t see them using iridikron so soon

Or if he is the bad guy, I don’t see us fighting him quite yet. They need time to build up more potential threats

[silent urchin]

If this is a real leak I feel like these screencaps are spectacularly uninspired. Maybe they picked the absolute worst moments during a features video. But if they have access to that then surely there's something way more interesting to leak.

[dense plover]

^^^^^

It HAD to come from a video with the way the font looks mid animation

In which case, why was it captured mid animation?

[rain cave]

Could honestly be content creators fucking with us

We know people like bellular can manipulate in game models and maps for their videos

Could be anyone really

Look at what that dude who makes the classic cinematics can do with the game models

[crystal pond]

Its always fun to speculate however
But spreading misinformation is eww and if it is one+ of the big content creator/s thats sucks (don't remember appropriate word for scammers)

[vernal juniper]

well but the golem

is in the game

just changes the colorus of the jewelery

also the pet on the jungle is in the game

also also the 4 pets in the 1st screen are in the game witha different colorus

[crystal pond]

Can also be a dangeon stuff for df patches

[rose escarp]

I'd love an area of Titan-themed Dinos

with a strong tie to Un'Goro, to deepen that part of the story, ofc

[vernal juniper]

https://marlamin.com/u/chrome_vFnfyeHtRR.png

this one is the game

while this on is on the screen https://marlamin.com/u/chrome_ozgYloW0xV.png

same model only changes from greenhis to yellow

[dense plover]

Is there not an unused variant in that color?

[vernal juniper]

no idea

[full edge]

The old stone ones got updated when they re did uldaman in DF

[vernal juniper]

need to check on some npc modders

is the wowhead tool they use for dataming private?

or is it opensource downlaodable

[dense plover]

Private

[vernal juniper]

well, if we don't have anythig like that opensource we can't check

maybe something in this list but idk https://wow.tools/2022.php

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/ObviouslyZelryn/status/1717511619406713173?t=avVO_jG2MBRY20lDjv-tVg&s=33

[vernal juniper]

there is the list of utilities

[warm topaz]

that is true actually

[vernal juniper]

who is this zelruyn

anyway these images looks more, u know what

rewamped zone for....

classic +

but they have 10.1.5 pet so can't be

also that statue shoul be the one in hinterlands

the desert can be durotar ish

[autumn dagger]

Where did u get this???

[pulsar minnow]

It’s been in-game since 10.1.5

[upper pasture]

yeah, it's a time rift reward

[full edge]

It’s a pet from time rifts

[pulsar minnow]

I’m still pretty excited to see what our capital looks like

Khaz Algar is a zone, like Khaz Modan is for Ironforge

If I were to guess, our capital is probably built into the side of a mountain, or underground of course

[warm topaz]

i want something like this in wow

[pulsar minnow]

That would be awesome

[warm topaz]

in the second picture there is a dwarf in the background

a big statue, like that one

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah, but for all we know that could just be a prop. Like the Ohn’ahra statue

The towelliee leaks are still confusing

On how they’d fit in and all

Wouldn’t shock me if a major threat is the Silithid bc of Xal’Atath

[thin warren]

who's Xalatath? 😛

[last sphinx]

Uldum kinda has such entrances and views, also Vale of Eternal Blossom.

[warm topaz]

yeah but i can't go back in game to see those

and i would love it

[deep pawn]

Let the 4chan "leaks" continue. This logo isn't that bad. The background feels Eartheny

[dense plover]

That’s definitely an AI logo modified

It doesn’t match how a wow logo has ever looked

Not to mention the Warcraft part being weirdly blurry

[deep pawn]

After Dragonflight all things are possible

[dense plover]

Dragonflight World of Warcraft part of the logo was still generally consistent

That’s the part I’m complaining about

It doesn’t have the shape/background style of every other logo

[deep pawn]

Main reason I'm a no is the other leaks that look pretty legit at this point have 0 storms haha

[harsh mason]

You know what's funny here: that all accounts are connected with some kind of storm, which is not clear where it came from.

[pulsar minnow]

The Algarian Stormrider is pretty much the only reason why

That and the entire reason we haven't gone west of Kalimdor is a giant supernatural storm

[silent urchin]

there's been speculation about going west to a new continent for some time based off various bits of in game lore. Which involves crossing that storm

[harsh mason]

This still doesn't explain the theme of the new exp. We can overcome this storm and... the end. What does the storm have to do with the name? There were mists in the name of pandaria because by fog was meant both literally the fog that protected the continent, and the mystery around this continent. But in the case of a storm, it doesn't work

[upper pasture]

I’m just excited in 8 more days we will likely see an actual tease and then can speculate on some real information

[dense plover]

We need to go somewhere really new tbh

[harsh mason]

Personally, I see it in such a way that people picked up the idea with the storm and without hesitation shove it into every leak

[dense plover]

And I really hope the ‘New’ place isn’t those images that have a ton of existing mob types we still see frequently

[dense plover]

1000%

All of the storm leaks and dwarf leaks started after we got the actual stuff - the name ‘algarian stormrider’, the griffon skin, and the avaloren and khaz algar stuff

Everything so far feels directly connected to those things instead of being like the last major leaks where it was sorta out of left field

Like Bolvar

We knew he would show back up because of Taelia

But that was all we had

Or the dragon isles since Wrathion had been looking for them since BfA

[pulsar minnow]

I mean, its just a harpy. Everything else seems new besides that. That said it's still rooted in some titan lore so we'll see constructs

[blazing granite]

Something to consider about Tyr

[dense plover]

I do think the Tyr stuff might actually be our strongest lead

We should be getting the end of that in 10.2

It’s encrypted

Also we don’t have an AOTC mount - usually those hint at the next expac

Unless that’s the algarian stormrider

But that doesn’t match the achievement thing

[deep pawn]

We do have aotc

[blazing granite]

It was established that he KNOWS what's in there

[upper pasture]

We are getting to the end of that. That’s where the white scales come from “completing the tyr storyline”

[dense plover]

We do?

[deep pawn]

It's the un shadowy Fyrakk model

[dense plover]

But that doesn’t match up with traditional AOTC mounts

Usually they lead into next expac

[deep pawn]

Shadowflame Fyrakk is rare drop off last boss, and the owl is mythic

[blazing granite]

And Stickney implied heavily in the interview that he will reveal plenty when the Aspects and Vyranoth will see him again

[pulsar minnow]

I'm gonna be honest I have no idea how a glowing arcane bird related to BFA

so I don't think that's exactly true

[deep pawn]

Eh, I'll be honest, outside of the moose they're usually just related to that expacs

[pulsar minnow]

^

[deep pawn]

Void dragon was from Nyalotha, crab is crab

[pulsar minnow]

Also I thought the shadowflame Fyrakk was the aotc

while the standard was just any difficulty

[deep pawn]

Oh did I get the Fyrakks backwards, my bad

[pulsar minnow]

all good- you've been paying more attention to PTR so I thought they changed smth

wouldn't shock me

I kinda wonder if one of the big features is gonna be Aerial Combat

it could make sense..

[upper pasture]

god i hope not

[blazing granite]

And another thing that caught my attention.

Spoiler from the book: ||Fyrakk was the first to find out about how to infuse oneself with the elements.||
What did Tyr do in his hidden facility? The following: research into the powers of elemental proto-drakes, cataloging the lifecycle and overall potency of the various proto-dragon phenotypes on the Isles.

Makes you wonder if these two events are related.

[dense plover]

Wasn’t is azerite stuff? Glowing titan blood - it was the item itself not the mount

[pulsar minnow]

Sure the item could be related. But again the last two expansions’ mounts haven’t related to the next expansion

Speaking of which it’s really weird we haven’t seen the void dragons AT ALL in DF after Wrathion promised to watch over them

[blazing granite]

Where was that?

[deep pawn]

oh, there's the try d4 for free stuff, it must really not be doing as well as expected

[upper pasture]

the play for free weekend? that is just a sales tactic

[pulsar minnow]

The aotc quest in BFA

[deep pawn]

it was part of the quest but it wasn't related to the mount itself

https://www.wowhead.com/item=152901/kirin-tor-summoning-crystal

this was the mount item itself

[harsh mason]

Most likely Tyr started research this after winning the Incarnations

[blazing granite]

The most recent data on the Aspects in there was not too long after the defeat of Galakrond.

This does fit with the "strategy" wording in his report.

[deep pawn]

wowhead getting in on it haha

[pulsar minnow]

damn right

[dense plover]

I think if it was real, it would’ve been removed by now

Wow staff would’ve asked Reddit mods to remove it

Or issued a DMCA

It’s way too far in advance for them to not do that

[deep pawn]

that doesn't stop leaks and Blizzard knows it so why bother?

[dense plover]

They removed the bolvar from Reddit. Also the source being Reddit is unusual as well

It just doesn’t add up

[deep pawn]

it appeared on imgur and reddit about the same time

[dense plover]

Yes - someone uploaded it to Imgur and then linked to Reddit

I don’t believe it’s hosted on Reddits image stuff

I just don’t think it’s real. If I saw a higher res image I would be more likely to believe it

[spice creek]

I would argue this makes a strong case for it not being the last patch. I would be extremely surprised if it's the last tier. They've gone all out with Dragonflight, and they give it the same number of three tiers as Shadowlands? Or Warlords of Draenor?

[pulsar minnow]

well bolvar was kinda different

it was a high resolution image from the store

[deep pawn]

What was your opinion on the Dracthyr leak when it first came out?

[dense plover]

It was more HD

I thought it was odd but seemed legit

[deep pawn]

did you see a different character creation screen than I did?

Cause that shit was blury

[dense plover]

I’m more talking about the ones that showed it out in the world

And the ones that leaked the new UI

The 2nd set of images like 1-2 days later I think

The initial character screen no I didn’t

But I changed my mind once there was more evidence

[vernal juniper]

the leaker started to talk again

the more he talks the more fake it will looks

he reminds me 22mage22 with the eclipse leak, plausible but with broken english, at this point I'm starting to doubt it

[pulsar minnow]

Which one?

[vernal juniper]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/search.?searchid=71235386

[upper pasture]

it gone

[pulsar minnow]

Is this scaleface or the one who leaked the agg’ora?

[vernal juniper]

not gone

you need to be logged I think

to be able to see his post history

[upper pasture]

ah i guess that makes sense

[vernal juniper]

https://i.vgy.me/U17awH.png

his english it reminds me mage22 https://imgur.com/a/gjTnKsU

hard to debunk, they both write "i" and "I" in different capitalization, also they use and not use the period at the end

SUS

[pulsar minnow]

Eh grammar is whatever

“Some specs turned into support specs” gives me a bad feeling

[vernal juniper]

yeah but they are doing the same errors, quite sus.

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t think blizz would do that

Was this all posted in the last couple hours?

[vernal juniper]

the initial 2, at bottom weeks ago

[pulsar minnow]

Oh huh

[vernal juniper]

the remaining 4 in the last horus

[upper pasture]

yeah blizz isn't going to outright change a whole dps spec into purely a buff spec.

[vernal juniper]

when it went viral

[upper pasture]

honestly tho, this all seems too similar to DF so that's why i'm hesitant to believe it

[pulsar minnow]

If there’s no new features I doubt it’s real

A single race isn’t everything

There’s no way that’s what they’d do

[novel zodiac]

isnt that what we got in DF tho?, a single race and dragonflight

then the same 8 dungeons, 3 raids and a megadungeon

[upper pasture]

a class/race combo

2 or 3 specs depending on how you wanna look at it

new talent trees/ new crafting systems/ new flying system

[pulsar minnow]

A race&class, ui rework, talent rework, dragonriding, profession overhaul

[novel zodiac]

someone on twitter is going to debunk the leak

https://twitter.com/ObviouslyZelryn/status/1717622061714006305

[subtle oar]

Ion has already said they are never going to turn existing specs into support specs. They do not want ppl to log in one day to find their favorite spec is no longer what it was

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah that’s what I mean. I don’t trust that leak because of that

[subtle oar]

My current question is, did these new zone leak pictures come out before or after Blizzard tweeted our the props at this year's blizzcon?

The answer will likely tell us if it's fake

[novel zodiac]

after

[deep pawn]

the fact it uses repainted assets is a point in it being true more than not.

[pulsar minnow]

Half the ones zel pointed out weren’t even right tho

[upper pasture]

does it tho?

[pulsar minnow]

I definitely think the staircase is a bit suspect tbh but it’s so blurry I can’t tell what it is

[upper pasture]

anyone can quite literally repaint an asset

[subtle oar]

Then I'm willing to say it's likely 85% fake. In one of the prop pics blizzard posted, there is the columns in the "zone leaks"

[pulsar minnow]

The columns are different

The ones seen at blizzcon are draconic

Not Titan

[deep pawn]

yeah, the ones at Blizzcon are from Temporal Conflux and the dungeon

[vernal juniper]

the debunk it is not great as I said on the twitter

the golem is real, with a different skin but it is real

already in game

[pulsar minnow]

that debunk is almost entirely wrong

like the swirl on the triceratops, butterfly, feathers, tree, are kinda reaches

The only interesting points made are the ones about the columns and the staircase

[vernal juniper]

https://marlamin.com/u/chrome_vFnfyeHtRR.png

same dude of the leak

changes only the colors of the decorations

[upper pasture]

that's the whole point of the debunk tho, it's all assets or tweaked assets already in game

[novel zodiac]

yeah, anyone with a little knowledge in graphics could change that

[vernal juniper]

most likely a sandbox

where they loaded the modded npcs but

requires a looooot of work, for what? trolling the people

[upper pasture]

prolly not even. it's likely photoshop

yeah for the "funies"

[vernal juniper]

can't be phoshop take too much time imho

[upper pasture]

idk i don't see the whole point of making up all these "leaks" for what? you fooled like 5 people on the internet?

you could just put these "skills" to real work and get a job actually doing this stuff really

[vernal juniper]

if it is fake can blizzard itself giving fake leak for deciving people

the goat scaleface who leaked 2 exp said

"I have photo but they can be fake on purpose"

[pulsar minnow]

see I just cant discredit the leak because there's way too much for it to be a fake

especially the website

[vernal juniper]

the website is easy to fake

it is the easier part

[pulsar minnow]

The fact that the Agg'ora is in the background of this new one

and then it's in the website leak

[vernal juniper]

read what I said before

the goat scaleface who leaked 2 exp said
"I have photo but they can be fake on purpose"

2 weeks ago he said blizzard could sent fake photo

for deceving people

[pulsar minnow]

it doesn't really matter since Scaleface isn't the one who leaked either

he leaked DF sure

[vernal juniper]

and legion

for sure he is more trustworthy than 99% of us

[pulsar minnow]

yeah but he's not behind this website or features image so I don't really care what he says. I doubt blizzard would put together four new zones and new models just to "trick the leakers"

[vernal juniper]

it is easy for them

[upper pasture]

the point that raises is if blizzard sent out fake photos why would it be on the real topic then? if they are trying to sus out rats they wouldn't use the actual expansion info just something that sounded convincing enough

[pulsar minnow]

Like it's not arguable that Khaz Algar is next expansion. Why would they put out a fake leak of Khaz Algar. That's stupid.

[vernal juniper]

the website can be done in 20 minutes

for them

the screenshoot also, they have all the assets in the game, they just need to load them

otherwise one outside blizzards needs to do a loooot more work

[pulsar minnow]

For which screenshot?

They don't have those assets

there's a bunch of new ones in there

[vernal juniper]

new? 99% of them are in the game

with different colors

[pulsar minnow]

like what

[vernal juniper]

pets

harpie

golem

etc

read this one from the goat leaker

https://i.vgy.me/nqmY99.png

[pulsar minnow]

Now what about the Agg'oran. The Algarian Dwarf. The Dwarf Statue? The New uprezed eagle statue. The new triceratops.

Oh and the gryphon

All new models

[vernal juniper]

ye as I said imho, if the leak is fake is from blizzard

[pulsar minnow]

and wasn't Scaleface the one who "leaked" dreadlords and void

with shitty tiny AI generated pngs

[vernal juniper]

he never said that the ai images are fro wow

[upper pasture]

but he also said "these are AI photos that look similiar"

[vernal juniper]

he said only dreadloards, and ALSO the current leak talks about dreadloards

[upper pasture]

since it was "too hot to post the real ones"

[pulsar minnow]

"storm dreadlords" or something that resembled a dreadlord

It's likely an elemental using the dreadlord rig

[upper pasture]

honestly i'm just glad 8 more days and this can be put to bed and we will be able to speculate on what is coming in the new expansion and less about what it is going to be about lol

[vernal juniper]

https://i.vgy.me/FOWVXL.png

[pulsar minnow]

Like the Storm Dreadlord thing means nothing when I could say "this is a fire dreadlord"

[vernal juniper]

I see dreadloards

[pulsar minnow]

agreed

[upper pasture]

yeah but the point is that ISNT a dreadlord

[vernal juniper]

https://imgur.com/gFffJI8

see another website

it is so easy to create them don't be fooled by websites

[upper pasture]

that background screams AI too

[vernal juniper]

in game screenshot in other hands are harder to fake, tha'ts why I'm saying, it is from 1 dude who spent a life behind them, from blizzard itself, or real.

[harsh wedge]

While it can be fake, what is going on at the left of the screen ?

[ember blaze]

So avaloren is now the default for every leak?

New expac confirmed.

[vernal juniper]

again, small leak can come from blizzard itself

free marketing

[ember blaze]

that is weird

[pulsar minnow]

There's a difference though

That's very clearly AI

Not like the website we saw earlier

[vernal juniper]

AI generally create squared images

[upper pasture]

look at that "dragon's" tail and tell me that's not AI

then the dragon on the left under the text

then the flag on the ship

[vernal juniper]

ye it is probably fake but it show how easy to create a website

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah anyone can make a website but not everyone can create art and modeling work

my biggest holdup is the background image. People will say AI, but it's really not.

[vernal juniper]

well

[upper pasture]

you're kidding right?

[vernal juniper]

have you seen the phothoshop AI?

you can do yourself

if you have it

[pulsar minnow]

Im talking about the Agg oran one

not the one slock just sent

that one is so clearly fake

[upper pasture]

oh okay whew

[pulsar minnow]

yeah haha i shouldve clarified

the one in the background of the agg oran image i will put money down on because I recognize the style

[vernal juniper]

https://i.vgy.me/6uZxXY.png https://i.vgy.me/OJRXEN.png

this is photoshop ai can you tell the second is fake? no

if you have it you can do whatever you want with photoshop ai

[pulsar minnow]

that doesn't matter. The agg'oran image is noticably art from a well known blizzard artist

It's not seen before but carries his style

this an example of a more rendered image

he's typically behind most of the "continent" or zone defining key art

[upper pasture]

too bad bastion didn't end up giving those vibes ingame

[harsh wedge]

Funny that the last one of bastion was a leak for shadowlands

[subtle oar]

Proof it's fake. That is a very AI mangled person