beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

Also of all the things, Theres currently no evidence of a level 70 boost - at least I don’t think so unless they added it a while ago, ie pre-10.2 ptr

[deep pawn]

There's always a boost

[silent urchin]

Might not be a new boost, they might combine a few of them again

although I think they last did that with the squish

I have 2 level 50 boosts and a 60 boost atm, pretty sure one of the 50s was originally a BFA one

[warm topaz]

guys, how powerfull is Sire Denathrius is?

[ionic terrace]

oh thats nice

[austere gazelle]

we dont have any kind of scale to compare it to other powerhouse

[ionic terrace]

hmm only 3 bonus

[warm topaz]

he lead the Nathrezim right?

[upper pasture]

i mean didn't he create the Nathrezim?

he's strong theres no doubt but like we really can't compare him easily

[austere gazelle]

And define " powerful "
If its about knowledge and mind game, he's defo on the top tier list
If its about strength of fight... We don't know how he would fair against a Sargeras or others...

[rain cave]

also he's not going to be at the peak of his strength most likely

[rain cave]

I'm open to them maybe not even increasing level cap

no evidence to back that up I just think it's a potential direction to move the game

or maybe increase it one final time and say 80's the cap now

since that's a pretty iconic level

[austere gazelle]

I'd be up for them to remove experience and to tie it with Achivement or story progression

then when you're level max once you can use thread of fate or whatever to either have the new progression or the XP one

[rain cave]

what do we really gain from spending 8 hours on launch day running through a level up campaign with laggy servers whilst 500+ people also do it

[upper pasture]

i feel like if they remove leveling that would be a huge loss for the community and a lot of players would hate it.

[rain cave]

ik people like the RPG aspect, but I'm all for them just making questlines for story and some quests

[upper pasture]

play the game

[rain cave]

it wouldn't be removing levelling, just capping it

to try stop the bloat

add more horizontal

if people like questing, they still can. And all those quests would still be accessible for people to use as levelling

even in the new xpac

they just also come with some nice benefits

[upper pasture]

honestly i thought after SLs we were just gonna do pre patch 50-> new expanison 60, pre patch 50 -> new expansion 60 but DF ruined that

[rain cave]

people don't really like being lowered in level like that imo

[upper pasture]

i mean i suppose they could do that now but with 60/70

[rain cave]

when they do an overall level squish it makes sense yeah

[upper pasture]

and you think people will just like getting no more levels?

[rain cave]

but if they're just going "yeah we're nerfing you because it's convenent for us"

well people don't complain about being at max level regardless of what that level cap is

level 100? same endgame as level 60

[upper pasture]

i mean it's definitely a better option then removing the level experiance

[rain cave]

it's either balanced to be effectively the same with just more to get there, or it's not and it eventually becomes bloated and they have to squish again

and squishing gets harder and harder

[upper pasture]

and it's better than waiting for the level bloat to be att 120 again

[rain cave]

the level experience wouldn't be removed, they'd still have quests for people to level into the new xpac

just means that people currently at cap CAN just jump right in

[upper pasture]

which would be so stupid

[rain cave]

and also gives them incentives to do those questlines for endgame stuff

they could balance it that way

first 2 weeks no m+ no raid

here go do the questchains for some cool rewards to prepare

[upper pasture]

which people will complain about "god i can't believe i HAVE to do this because i want to get this extra weekly/reward"

[rain cave]

ik people here will defend levelling and questing to the death as some like essential god tier feature

I get that

[upper pasture]

it's literally a game. enjoy it or don't

[rain cave]

I just see it as streamlining design

more options for levelling > more mandatory levelling imo

[upper pasture]

it's turning it into something it isn't

[rain cave]

and future proofing

[upper pasture]

mmoRPG

[rain cave]

RPG's don't NEED leveling

and I'm not saying remove leveling

[upper pasture]

right

[rain cave]

I'm saying don't raise level cap

points to gw2

[upper pasture]

that's LITERALLY the same thing for 99% of the playerbase

[rain cave]

gw2 is more RPG than WoW

and hasn't raised its level cap ever

obv it can't be a 1:1 comparison

but WoW has taken inspiration from GW2 before

(at least it would appear that way)

and that turned into a whole section of the community, Mythic+

[ember blaze]

People like the progression from leveling

[rain cave]

and they can keep it

or they can add other methods of progression

[upper pasture]

okay so, if they didn't raise the cap into the next expanison do you realise how utterly insane gearing would become and not to mention balancing. we'd have new trinkets or hell no trinkets that would have to consider all the old gear from DF casue they'd still be 70

[rain cave]

wdym

not raising level cap slows ilvl bloat issues

[upper pasture]

oh so that bloat would be okay but not level? it's the same thing tho

[rain cave]

the new gear is just better, and doesn't have a 10 level quest gear gap

questing gear quickly outscales old gear in a new xpac

but then all that ilvl is thrown out the window once you reach cap

[upper pasture]

and people won't do the quests cause they are "optional"

[rain cave]

points to gw2

[upper pasture]

and then complain that shit's too hard

[rain cave]

points to blue dragon quests

if you give people fun content

they'll do it

especially if it has rewards

[upper pasture]

and leveling IS fun

even if you don't think so

[rain cave]

counterpoint: questing can be fun

[upper pasture]

don't take away from everyone because you think it's a chore

[rain cave]

that's what you do mostly when levelling

I'm not saying remove levelling

but if you buy a new expansion just for the questing

[upper pasture]

effectively for 99% of the playerbase yes you are

[rain cave]

you're not really playing the game as designed

if you spend $60 then do 10 levels and leave forever

[deep pawn]

A lot of people do play just for the levelling story

[upper pasture]

i know plently of people who play like that because they cannot commit the time to raid or do M+

so...like

[rain cave]

well sorry but not everyone has to be catered to

[upper pasture]

you want them to just not have anything in the next expansion?

[rain cave]

they would though

[upper pasture]

brother

[rain cave]

that's what I am saying

you can KEEP the questing

[upper pasture]

it's YOU that wants to be catered to

[rain cave]

I'm just talking about theoretical design

[upper pasture]

people like seeing numbers go up you're saying remove adding levels = no levels going up.

[rain cave]

I've not even said my preference I don't think

I don't care either way, if they add more levels we get more talents

if they don't we get more horizontal

win win

but in my head it makes sense that they could consider not raising level cap

keep the quests for people who like that

in fact EXPAND the quests

make questing feel more important in that initial bit of the launch/patch

all those people who like questing and predominantly do it, they can still play

they still have things to do

and if they want to level? levelling still exists, you still have to get to that level cap

in my mind it just makes a lot of sense

I think people are being overly aggressive attacking the idea

[upper pasture]

if you don't do the quests after launch/leveling i feel like those are the people who think questing isn't important. idk about you but i've done every DF quest because i've enjoyed questing.

[rain cave]

I haven't done all the quests because I got confused after being offline for a bit

don't know what quests are actually important

[upper pasture]

all quests are important if you want to do them

[rain cave]

which is part of what I want them to fix

make it more obvious what quests do what

which are important

because even after adding the new quest markers

it's inconsistent

e.g. a bunch of random crafting things are locked behind quests or things that require quests

which I wouldn't know unless I track down NPCs

whom usually just have normal quest indicators

a profession quest indicator would be nice. And maybe even adding quests that give you small buffs for normal raids?

I want the game to feel more RPG, be more interactive

and imo levelling can be quite hollow, as you said it's just number go up

[upper pasture]

honestly it more sounds like you want you hand to be held rather then care about what the quest is actually about.

[rain cave]

it's the content people do while levelling that people enjoy, partially because it's more of a casual experience they enjoy

amongst other things

and we can keep that content

even embrace it more at its design core

[rain cave]

no I like solving problems

it's just that doing the online guide equivalent of looking through spreadsheets to find things is a mark of poor design

in some games esoteric design can be good! like elden ring

but that games gets away with it because its loop revolves around interacting with and exploring things, you WILL find things and you won't that's fine

but in WoW there's a lot of information unload you're kind of expected to know

[upper pasture]

Or you could just play the game and do quests regardless of the reward because you enjoy expanding the story

Not needing to be shown what you’ll get if you complete this quest just the enjoyment of doing the quest

[rain cave]

that's seperate from what I am saying

you're talking about story quests, which I support

[upper pasture]

You just explained why the new quest markers are poorly designed because they are inconsistent

[rain cave]

I'm talking about profession or reward focused quests

but even in story quests you must agree the markings are inconsistent

I didn't even know how to start the fractures in time quests

just too much going on

it wasn't obvious that was the content I was starting

[upper pasture]

That’s because if you leave quests behind because of whatever reason it will get messy

Have you ever tried to go back to legion and quest?

But that’s what happens when you don’t play for half/ all the content

It was pretty easy for me, I logged in saw a new marker in VD went to it and got told to go to chromie in thal

[rain cave]

don't even think there was a marker for me

just a normal quest icon above noz's head

which is a pain to see since he's so tall

[upper pasture]

I don’t even think it was Noz that gave it but rather an NPC outside that upper platform

[rain cave]

I remember noz giving it to me but idk

that's my point

[upper pasture]

Your point being? They should stop raising the level cap and make quest rewards more clear? AND make quests more impactful but also less impactful because you’d be able to pick and choose which ones you want to do since you’ll see the rewards before even doing the quests?

My point being, do quests cause lore and playing the game is fun?

[rain cave]

these things are not mutually exclusive 😭

and some of these are not explicit

like the rewards thing, I'm not saying put a big sticker with the end reward

but for example. Lets say they add another nelf eye customisation like questchain

mark it as important as well

just to stick out

put it in a high visiblity area

[upper pasture]

They DO that

The purple one is an account unlock/cosmetic

[rain cave]

not true the purple one is just for important quests

not specifically unlocks/cosmetics

[upper pasture]

Pretty sure they’ve all had a cosmetic or an unlock of some sort

[rain cave]

like the blue dragon quest

[upper pasture]

Blue dragon mount

[rain cave]

there's a mount from it?

[upper pasture]

Cosmetic mount

[rain cave]

thought we already had a blue dragon

the highland one

[upper pasture]

If you have the leggo staff

[rain cave]

don't the new patch quests have purple

[upper pasture]

I don’t think so?

[rain cave]

weird

I remember finding my way through a bunch of campaign stuff with those markers

[upper pasture]

IIRC there hasn’t been a lot of purple markers since they were added in 10.1? So not a lot of time for them to be used but they are trying to get better at being like “hey this has special rewards”

I mean campaign quests have their own marker too

Legendary quests also have their own

And we also got that armor set too from the blue dragon quest

Idk, marking quests to say “hey this gives you cosmetics” is hard cause like a lot of quests do that already so how do you apply value to something that’s so opinion based of “what’s cool”

[rain cave]

not really saying mark cosmetics

just saying make it more obvious as to where new things are added

[candid ruin]

10.1.7 ptr update 👀

[deep pawn]

Towellie out here floating the idea of Classic+ and Retail getting the exact same expansion with the same fights and mechanics lol

[deep pawn]

likely just hotfix catchup

[candid ruin]

was hoping for some 10.2.5 news

[deep pawn]

nah, we'll see that pop up on the cdn before hand

[deep pawn]

That said the 10.1.7 update changed something to an unknown mount that's encrypted

[dense plover]

either a twitch drop, or the prepurchase mount

tho why they would do that on 10.1.7 when 10.2 drops 3 days after blizzcon is crazy

[deep pawn]

new promotion being announced this week after all

[dense plover]

yeah could be a warcraft rumble or d4 season 2 promo?

[upper pasture]

yeah it's probably D4 related? i mean they already talked about twitch drops for D4 but it could be something else?

[austere gazelle]

That's something I wrote two weeks ago lol

[vernal juniper]

twitch drop

its already on twitch

https://i.vgy.me/qflzTJ.png

even if we can't see the reward

[upper pasture]

oh maybe it's a HS prime gaming thing

they have something expiring tomorrow so....maybe a new promotion to replace it

[vernal juniper]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15wSj0sz9_2nObIaGs7noXbUxtPW3fCPE9Cup7QvT568/edit#gid=1758213767

[sleek solar]

No way they will release a Cosmic expansion right after DF

[austere gazelle]

Next Xpack will most likely have Azeroth's world soul as the main topic

[rain cave]

Bfa 2

[austere gazelle]

we know that, before the awakening , the harbinger needs a " Dark heart, left broken, awaiting the taking "

[rain cave]

Could see us getting an expac of things going horribly wrong

Iridikron and xal just 5 heading us at every step

I just want a nzoth teamup 😭

[austere gazelle]

For the void to be so sure about what is going to happen, despite them having " thousands truth " could only mean that " the timeline are converging " and there is only one path ahead

[rain cave]

Would be hilarious to have nzoth in black blade form just with us

[ember blaze]

That would be cool. Tired of winning.

[austere gazelle]

I could see, for example, Nozdormu becoming Murozond to prevent Xal stuff to happens, but not the Murozond we already faced, a more enlightened one

[worn crown]

I think we could get a cosmic xpac, after all, despite the cosmic stuff in it, DF happens on Azeroth

[austere gazelle]

cosmic X pack was badly received. If they do one, it could be tied with an azeroth xpack and a patch with us going to space

[rain cave]

I mean it's debatable on that last bit

Cosmic xpac of stuff happening to azeroth, follow up xpac exploring origins

[austere gazelle]

possible... Hope we'll go underground though

[rain cave]

Just imagining : lose to void, xalatath. So we follow rumours trying to find black blade nzoth -> simultaneously demon hunters meet with DKs to try find out how to go forward existing now their main enemy is gone, they find their resolve as they redefine themselves. The scythe dh woman from legion comes forward to lend her expertise to the black blade search after working with the DKs comparing soul/ rune weapon stuff. She then helps us interrogate nzoth in the blade, and unlocks a 3rd DH spec

I'd love a story like that combining different areas and characters who otherwise wouldn't interact

[deep pawn]

https://marlamin.com/u/chrome_JfOav1vQgq.png

So first new Hearthstone card apparently.

As Marlamin says, it looks awfully like the datamined gryphon textures

[silent urchin]

except for the lack of wings, feathers, and beak

[deep pawn]

I meant the colors

[warm topaz]

maybe a promotion with HS or something? or what can we expect from that

[deep pawn]

maybe, but we know the Algarian Stormrider is a thing tied with the expac

[silent urchin]

https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23989480/announcing-showdown-in-the-badlands-hearthstone-s-next-expansion there's a bunch of other cards, some of which are also blue

[rain cave]

I mean last xpac was titans

So maybe they're lining things up?

There was a lich King xpac around the Wrath classic stuff as well no?

Idk

[vernal juniper]

https://imgur.com/a/p7a8yDt

fake?

[pulsar minnow]

Well that owlbear mount is brand new

Correct me if I’m wrong

[vernal juniper]

elune?

not fake

it is on mobile bnet app

[pulsar minnow]

Sick

[ionic terrace]

the tree dragon is most likely the year of the dragon mount

[silent urchin]

owlbear mount is in 10.2 files, I believe

the murloc has actually been in since 10.1.7

[subtle oar]

I really couldn't handle an entirely underground xpac. ZC is such an awful zone and really turned me away from wanting underground areas for a while

[vernal juniper]

https://i.imgur.com/lVTWeS8.png

[warm topaz]

oh wow cool

[vernal juniper]

the on on left?

looks like the fake leak

[pulsar minnow]

thats been there for like 2 years

[vernal juniper]

oh nvm then

[pulsar minnow]

yeah its like the art for the "base game" now

[deep pawn]

WOOD DWARVES

[vernal juniper]

interessting

3rd "leak" about wow eclipse

[deep pawn]

oh, nevermind, it's the next chinese new year mount so it'll come out in 10.2.5 I suppose

Next year is Wood Dragon

[warm topaz]

where!

[silent urchin]

is that entire leak based off the dark moon texture

[vernal juniper]

they are older

[warm topaz]

oh yeah just saw it on mmo-c

XDDDDDD

sadge

[vernal juniper]

damn bot

but it quite strange

3 people using the same name...

[warm topaz]

like shadowlands back in the day

[vernal juniper]

last time was the same with dragonflight

yeah shadowlands

the story it is also similar between the "3 leaks"

and they are short leaks, expect one. so they are more plausible

[warm topaz]

i just hope one thing, i don't want features leaks or new races leaks etc...

like real leaks

i don't like that

I mean in images

[vernal juniper]

one leak this one it seems very playsible, 2 weeks left let see if the eclipse leak will be more popular soon

[warm topaz]

im so hype for 10.2 soundtrack

can't wait

[vernal juniper]

also

this leak is from 25/09

and the leak from the website API is from 29/09

and it lands in the same zone

[deep pawn]

except Elune has never really given storm powers

[vernal juniper]

but it is interesting, we will see it quite unique that this leak and the API points both to same zone

[warm topaz]

what is the API thing

[vernal juniper]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2641250-Achievements-Discovered-For-Potential-11-0-Expansion-Location-Warcraft-Rumble-Finds

[warm topaz]

oh yeah the algarian stormrider thing

[vernal juniper]

yea it lead to the same zone as the leak

and the leak was before this "API thing"

so I've chosen. ECLIPSE it is .

team wow Ecplise.

[deep pawn]

Granted we had the Algar and Avaloren info from DF beta

[novel zodiac]

i dont like the name

what about the acronym

WOW E?

meh

[deep pawn]

It'd just be Eclipse

it's two syllables

[rain cave]

at least dragonflight abbreviates to DF tho

[deep pawn]

I guess retail and wrath are updating for the new year bundle

[rain cave]

eclipse does'nt feel like an xpac name to me

[deep pawn]

eh, we had Cata

And Legion

[rain cave]

ye

Eclipse just feels

[ember blaze]

[rain cave]

off

[ember blaze]

[deep pawn]

So 2 syllables is common enough

[rain cave]

yeah I just mean the vibe of the word

[deep pawn]

Eclipses are scary and mystifying

[rain cave]

usually the one word xpacs refer to something IN the xpac

[deep pawn]

There's no way they planned this out for the last big American eclipse next year haha

[rain cave]

cataclysm is ofc the cataclysm

legion is the legion

[deep pawn]

A permanent Eclipse could explain all those dark images we saw as hints

[rain cave]

sure we can have an eclipse

but idk

would they structure a whole xpac around elune/

[ember blaze]

The what

[deep pawn]

No like it's permanent in the new continent or something

[deep pawn]

Scaleface's stuff

[ember blaze]

Who

[deep pawn]

He had all those super dark and purple images he said were hints

[dense plover]

those were fake af

they were AI

[rain cave]

but the general vibe of the word just doesn't really suite an xpac name

like someone pointed out it doesn't abbreviate well

legion is the only xpac we had with no abbreviation really

[ember blaze]

Seems like a silly thing to worry about

[rain cave]

and that works because it rolls of the tongue

not really

they probably pour tons of effort into getting the right xpac name

[ember blaze]

Feels like you’re throwing whatever sticks to the wall

[deep pawn]

He said they were the same vibe as the screenpack he was given but wasn't uploading cause it would be too obvious

[rain cave]

if a name is bad it automatically puts people off

[deep pawn]

So they were just "hints"

[rain cave]

my instinct is that eclipse stands out in a bad way compared to other xpac names

that alone is kind of evidence of my point

I'm not a marketing master but every other xpac name just makes sense

eclipse doesn't to me

it just doesn't fit

[deep pawn]

It does if every time you're on the new continent it's twilight and you look up at the Eclipsed sun.

[rain cave]

I'm not talking about its in-game ramifications

I'm talking about literally the word

[dense plover]

no way they provided a screenpack this early

also sharing info about a shared screenpack would still be breaking NDA

[rain cave]

imagine if BFA was called faction war

or just "conflict"

shit name

imo

[deep pawn]

This is the guy who had Dragonflight first and stuff

[rain cave]

doesn't have that punch to it or that nice natural smoothness that other xpac names have

[dense plover]

the dragonflight leak was less than a week before

[deep pawn]

Not like they can call it "Total Eclipse of the Heart of Azeroth"

[dense plover]

it was like 2 days before blizzcon

[rain cave]

there's probably a whole section of marketing that's about naming stuff

if not more

but yeah look at other games xpacs and you'll kind of notice a trend amongst them all

[dense plover]

just because they leaked in the past, doesnt mean its true for the future either

[deep pawn]

unless they're like Towellie and have a friend on the inside to give some vague ideas

[dense plover]

i really dont see anything immediately void relevant for the initial zones either

[rain cave]

if someone leaked before they might get false info this time to try catch the leak source also

[deep pawn]

that's specifically why Scaleface said he didn't want to post any pics this time

Is this the old font R?

it is, hmm

weird they'd use that on a blizzcon promo

[rain cave]

god imagine the amount of distrust that can go on in some leaker discord servers if those exist

because blizz people probably trying to stalk in there

and get other people to spill beans on what they know

whilst the leakers try to corroborate with others

[deep pawn]

so either they're going back or they snagged the wrong logo from the files for the short cinematic thingy

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1714370884230611158

[dense plover]

whats the new font look like?

i didnt know there was a new font

[deep pawn]

DF logo for comparison

I can't find the official black and white logo on the website real fast but the DF R is different

It was one of the reasons people claimed the DF logo was fake at first

[ember blaze]

I can’t tell the difference

[deep pawn]

The R's are different in World

[silent urchin]

the whole font for world is different, but most obvious on the R, bottom right of the L, and left of the D

could be a font licensing thing or something

or just redone as a new asset for whatever production reason

[deep pawn]

Or they used the classic logo cause they use that font for classic still

[dense plover]

if its the classic logo then yeah

they just slapped the asset they had on their

since the dragonflight one probably doesn't have a separate World of Warcraft that doesn't have the word dragonflight attached

[deep pawn]

maybe

so the fact they had to announce the Hearthstone expansion now, 2 weeks before Blizzcon reinforces my idea that this Blizzcon was decided super late after all the yearly schedules had been made

WoW though can get away with delaying their content for a few weeks

People are actually upset at the idea that enough time has passed for blue eyed Blood Elves to come back

[rain cave]

it is curious why they announced it now

[deep pawn]

Hearthstone has a very rigid release schedule

[dense plover]

thats some leak

explains the classic drake

and the tree thing looks like a skin for the slithering drake

which i assume will end up on the trading post at some point tbh

[deep pawn]

nah, again it's the next Chinese New Year Mount which is Wood Dragon

just like the water bunny from last year

The water bunny hasn't ended up on the post yet

I'm feeling more confident Blizzcon announcement will be very purple

[tulip sun]

Like void focused?

[deep pawn]

Or Elune

Maybe I'm just too easy going to be upset about blue eyed blood elves and the possiblity Manari can eventually learn to wield the light

[rain cave]

that owlbear is very void eluney

[dense plover]

still lookings like the winding slitherdrake skeleton

if it isnt a skin, itll probably still be dragonriding compatible

[deep pawn]

probably, but yeah, I doubt it's a customization

they haven't sold any customizations on the site yet

[rain cave]

if we assume that they'll keep the dynamic flying as a generalized system

by the time it's available that might be normalized

6 months from now, we'd probably be in a 10.2.5

[deep pawn]

it'll be for January or so

With a Nov 7 release date late January is 3 months of the season

[ionic terrace]

bild time

[warm topaz]

new PTR build boys

[deep pawn]

oh the notes are just recapping as they near release build

[warm topaz]

music this build

i hope so

[dense plover]

music is in

can confirm

[dense plover]

notes arent recapping

[deep pawn]

half the MW changes were 100% in last week

[dense plover]

these notes are showing the implementation of what they talked about when they told us what features were coming

[deep pawn]

The revival catalyst is ancient news

[dense plover]

wasnt actually implemented tho

now it is

also pretty sure the mistweaver changes were talked about but not implemented

[deep pawn]

no, they were 100% datamined

[dense plover]

they did a midweek 'we are gonna change these' note

[deep pawn]

nah, the changes were in the last build

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

some of these werent

[warm topaz]

really? im so hype

[dense plover]

like the UI changes

[dense plover]

1000%

i have confirmation from the datamining discord im in

[warm topaz]

please be good, this zone have too much potential

[dense plover]

the macro changes being implemented is new

and some of the tier set fixes/changes are new

plus all of the changes they DONT talk about

like music

[deep pawn]

odds are the MW dev forgot the changes were pushed last week cause of the late build

[dense plover]

told you it was a bug

moonkin can once again mount!

[deep pawn]

good, I wouldn't put it past them given the "shapeshifted" error

[dense plover]

all of the locked legion forms are now visible

[ionic terrace]

have a sample

[warm topaz]

i guess wowhead will upload it soon

[dense plover]

new deco color

and this is listed as a new effect color but im not sure

[warm topaz]

omfg

[dense plover]

druid forms from covenants also appear now - sources are messed up tho

zone map is properly updated

[warm topaz]

crazy good

[tepid fiber]

I'm surprised it wasn't added to a mapcorner like the other additional expansion zones, and even Zaralek there

[dense plover]

idk what these are

[silent urchin]

presumably something that lets you copy forms

[dense plover]

wtf is this on the splash art?

anniversary event stuff?

[ionic terrace]

battlegrounds

the new thingy

[dense plover]

oh

still no way into the emerald dream from the legion dreamwalk map

dreamseeds are working again

rewards have been nerfed because on the first build they were OP as fuck and super easy to get stuff immediately

[little hound]

Annoying how Highland Drake, Proto-Drake and the last to arrive, Slitherdrake, were the only ones given "Full Transformations". Velocidrake and Wylderdrake deserve so much more attention.

[dense plover]

this is new

[dense plover]

what does this have to do with ptr?

[little hound]

Seeing as Fyrakk Is giving TWO Full proto-drake skins again.

[dense plover]

looks like all the rares need you to participate first

so im assuming this is to prevent the zaralek - sudden appearance thing

and gives you a chance to engage with the ones you actually want to farm

[little hound]

Ty god.

[dense plover]

im making assumptions

not actually sure

[little hound]

Would be very nice though.

I missed SO many rares in Zaralek, think they should add a "Summoning this rare" timer so people have time.

[upper pasture]

Zaralek did do that tho? Zone wide emote plays then it’s like 3 mins until it’s actually attackable

[deep pawn]

Who wants the .zip of all the music from Marlamin?

woot, buffing crafted gear

[deep pawn]

wowhead posted their music

[deep pawn]

The MMO-C thread is kinda pathetic, so many posters upset the story isn't some grimdark WC3 stuff and all "Metzen will save us!"

Retcons are fine especially if portrayed as someone lied to us.

[fiery island]

It's not about the retcons, it's about the tone shift of the story from WC3 vs Dragonflight. People sincerely miss the era of heavy metal, beer, & Frazetta art-inspired grit.

[deep pawn]

So you mean something that I don't think has really existed since WC1?

[fiery island]

Garrosh had that energy, WoD didn't do it half bad on the front end either

[austere gazelle]

Spencer saying that microsoft wants to revive old Blizzard licence... *laugh in Warcraft IV * ( but I'm betting on SC )

[rain cave]

Lost vikings let's go

[subtle oar]

Lost Vikings

[warm topaz]

imo one of the best soundtracks they ever made

not all the tracks but a lot of them

[pulsar minnow]

Honestly I don’t even think it’s really this

I think it’s just the fact we haven’t seen like ANY cool fights between the characters in the story

Alexstrasza and dragon friends just stand around in visage form for 90% of the expansion and then say how sad they are that neltharion was mean and/or the titans hurt the primalists feelings

[fiery island]

I think because of that, there's a feeling I'm getting of people wanting an overcorrection. One extreme to cancel out the other.

[upper pasture]

You mean I dreamt that Raz and Alex fight were Alex lost?

[pulsar minnow]

Yes. One fight out of the entire expansion. One that ended prematurely because Raszageth pulled a “enough!” Maneuver

[pulsar minnow]

And maybe it’s not even fights, but just a lack of cool stuff happening in general. A vast majority of these cinematics are just conversations. To be fair, most are. But compare DF’s cinematics to say- Legion or BFA’s… there’s a big difference

[upper pasture]

To me that just conveys how strong our enemies actually are in this expansion. And the Aspects realize how vulnerable they really are

Heck khadgar and kalec ran from the incarnates at the end of vault because they knew they were no match for them

[pulsar minnow]

That’s a fair interpretation, and I’m not saying you’re wrong. But the writers could’ve done it any other way and the way they’ve done it here kinda feels lame

I’m hoping with Fyrakk that can be amended, because clearly the aspects can take on one at a time

[upper pasture]

If they did would people not be complaining about plot armor then?

[pulsar minnow]

Not necessarily if it’s done well

[upper pasture]

We had the black flight assault the djaradin I mean that’s not an epic cutscene by any means

Honestly I do believe we are overdue for some killer cutscenes

I just think it’s hard to give us cool cutscenes that show off how powerful our allies are when they are trying to make us take theses villains seriously and setting them up for the long run

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I get that, I think a mix of important story scenarios along with a cool fight cinematic at the end would do wonders for people’s conception that wow’s gone “disney”

Even if that means just making smaller threats to go along with the big guys

[fiery island]

I think the cutscenes are just a part of this issue of this issue of a lack of urgency and action in the plot

[pulsar minnow]

Also side note: but as much as I love the aspects visage forms, I love their dragon forms more. Please make the dragons in the dragon expansion look like dragons for the love of all that is good. If Alexstrasza is seriously in her visage form when we fight fyrakk I’m gonna lose it

[pulsar minnow]

That’s also true

Iridikron did kinda just fuck off from the story while the dragons just waited around saying “we must figure out what the primalists intend to do next!”

[upper pasture]

Why would they make the dragons look less like the dragons in WoW?

[pulsar minnow]

I’m saying I want them to be dragons

They’ve been in visage form for a majority of the story

[upper pasture]

He absolutely did not “fuck off” he’s literally set everything in motion since being released from the vault.

[pulsar minnow]

He did in 10.1.5

[upper pasture]

He’s a military strategist, this is literally him at work

The reason the aspects didn’t do anything up front is because they knew they were gonna lose. Why would you press a fight you knew you were gonna lose?

Everything Fyrakk is doing is because Iridikron set him on this path. He opened the way for Sark to get corrupted by the void because he thought maybe one of the black flights would have fell instead all so he could gather whatever that item was from the past

[harsh mason]

The Iridikron is the equivalent of a staff officer in the army.. In the description of the fight with Iridikron , this is indicated.

For example, Fyrakk is a commander on the battlefield

[upper pasture]

He’s creating other problems for us to deal with so that we can’t be fully prepared to deal with him and his stuff until he’s ready to fight us

[pulsar minnow]

The issue isn’t that Iridikron left lol

It’s the fact that the aspects just aren’t doing anything actively but just waiting for the primalists to do something

[upper pasture]

I think you grossly underestimate how powerful the incarnates are even before fyrakk got his power up

[pulsar minnow]

Well considering we killed one?

[upper pasture]

The aspects are scared af and the aspects aren’t as powerful as they once were

[pulsar minnow]

And the incarnates have said they’re scared of us?

[austere gazelle]

Alexstrazsa and Kalecgos did say that they had to gather their allies and bolster their defenses before they would strike to be prepared

Aka waiting for them

[upper pasture]

The remaining aspects are definitely not afraid of us lol

What’s her face literally walked into VD to talk knowing damn well she could leave whenever she wanted

[austere gazelle]

https://youtu.be/ZyDkXaLYuKo?si=U9g12bcf2HLh5vpT&t=52

[upper pasture]

Fyrakk has literally been itching to fight us since being released and hasn’t because he was told know to by Iridikron

And Iridikron has bigger plans than to just fight us

[pulsar minnow]

All of this is kinda just getting off the topic of “why can’t we see these characters fight each other”

I don’t think it’s that deep

[austere gazelle]

(Lol at Kadghar saying " together " and who vanished since then )

[pulsar minnow]

And I don’t think it’s unrealistic to expect more urgency and conflict in the story

I understand this expansion is mainly setup, but man it could’ve been done better

The fact that a “feeling” is the main problem of this expansion - that’s a good thing. It can be fixed.

It’s not a system or gameplay issue

[upper pasture]

Idk man it’s just anything can be done better sure

But like it’s unrealistic to expect everyone to be happy with what’s going on.

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah, and don’t assume I think you’re wrong. I agree with what you’ve said for the most part, it does make sense why the characters act the way they do

I just wish it was set up a little different that’s all

[upper pasture]

The way I see it is it took an aspect to make a deal with the old gods to get these guys imprisoned and now they’re released and you expect our rag tag team of non empowered aspects which are 3 actual aspects and 2 self appointed aspects to do something about it and not to mention Noz was dealing with his own crap during this too

[rain cave]

On the fighting discourse

In WoD leveling we had several cinematics of people fighting

Usually to the death for someone

And people like those cinematics

The feel

People liked seeing illidan break out and obliterate guldan

Or arthas defeated

It's fine to tease future stuff in the end of raid cinematic, it's expected

But raszageth is literally just a corpse in vaults end cinematic, no final encounter. We just see her dead then we run

Same with sarkareth

Same with Dawn of the infinites

The cinematics are non combat the instant the boss is downed, not even showing a corpse fall

At least archimonde was falling and did one last action before dying

I suppose its not necessarily combat at its core. I really think people just want cool character moments rather than lore teasing for future content and exposition.

A single good moment can make a short lived enemy iconic

[fiery island]

That's why we've been doing this quest all expac for Tyr. They're phoning in to Daddy to help with their bullies

[austere gazelle]

I prefer that than seeing the enemy dies and then crumbling rocks without any other significance

[rain cave]

it's also just a tonal shift, storytelling aside

imagine you down the boss finally

celebration time!

but the cutscene just cuts to the calm after the fight

[dense plover]

i got a key from the pumpkin and this unlocks OLD scarlet monastery accountwide

you use it and it gives a buff

[silent urchin]

you can also get another one from a chest at the end of the library wing to send to a friend (and chain it infinitely)

[dense plover]

think theres a new minor questline too

with this guy sir thomas

unless thats not new new

[silent urchin]

that's new

part of the "revamp" this year

partly retcons and expands the lore for the headless horseman

[dense plover]

cool

the 4 wickermen thing was easy af

no reward except achieves

and i think the drake saddle is unfortunately a random drop

also ghastly rider is instant mount during the holiday

looks like arfus is also a drop from the horseman

not correctly hotfixed tho - no tooltip XD

confirmed - source is "headless horseman" so unfortunately a drop

whats the point of being able to return to old scarlet monastery?

transmog?

[silent urchin]

pretty much

no ones found anything else of note so far, really

[subtle oar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/fyralath-the-dream-render-new-legendary-weapon-coming-in-patch-10-2-334870

@haughty sandal

[dense plover]

https://youtu.be/FYcc7InLUgs?si=10if-n-3PlbNtNMw has timestamps and file ids

keyboardturner is the mvp

[deep pawn]

I do think it's interesting that Blizzard is using OW2 as their music act this year

[subtle oar]

Not really that interesting. They are trying to repair their image over OW2, 100% there was always going to be some heavy focus on OW2 at Blizzcon

[austere gazelle]

Ybarra said it'll be Warcraft's year, and not only for wow so go figures

[deep pawn]

I don't think doing a knockoff of K/DA is gonna really save OW2

[young latch]

Did they add any new Halloween transmogs this year btw?

[austere gazelle]

they don't do mistake, they do creative workaround , so they refuse to see OW2 as a mistake but as something they can improve and that can become something creative

[warm topaz]

i don't see them doing that to "save" OW2

[subtle oar]

They want to try to drum up hype for it. After the absolute mishandling of the franchise, ofc there would be a bigger than normal presence

[pulsar minnow]

really curious what the hell they'd even announce at Blizzcon. They're announcing the new Hero, who is basically confirmed to be Mauga who's been on the backburner for 4 YEARS

But what else for Overwatch

WoW is typically easier bc we get expansions or patch announcements which are massive chunks of content

[tepid fiber]

It's unfortunate when StudioFOW or noname55 can handle the IP better than the actual studio

[subtle oar]

I prefer noname55s Warcraft coctent

[rain cave]

announce new hero announce new map announce new battle pass

yay..

[tepid fiber]

Spend WoW gold on OW2 grindgating

Just gotta get them tokens back down once the whales come back to raid

[rain cave]

it's frustrating how blizzard kind of implies they want you to be playing all of their games

I'm fine with a bit of cross promotion but the blizzcon ticket having battlepasses for multiple games

that are on opposite spectrums market wise

[tepid fiber]

It's almost as if they're an entertainment company that makes multiple games across multiple genres or types! The absolute audacity of them

[rain cave]

well I know that obviously

but just because you make multiple games across multiple genres

doesn't mean you should expect to cross those over

make a game for a market

don't try to bleed it all together, there's a reason those markets exist

it's partly why OW has not been as lucrative as they perhaps wanted imo

community that is there is not what they want or cater to

from what I've seen and experienced

[tepid fiber]

That has nothing to do with cross promotions, and for quite some time Overwatch was a solid and well-liked game

Also think it has some of the fewest cross promotion rewards iirc

[rain cave]

there's no need to be defensive I just kind of loath these games that demand to pull every aspect of your attention to them

even if it's a business model

how would I even be expected to play WoW, Diablo and overwatch whilst maximing each's battlepass and staying relevant in WoW

there's simply not enough hours in the day for anyone with a decent schedule

[tepid fiber]

Good time management skills

And you don't need to play every single one daily to remain even competitive

[tepid fiber]

Also, not being defensive. You're posting in a public forum with your opinion and other people are allowed to respond with theirs or with information that contradicts it

[rain cave]

ik

but ya just coming off as aggressive/dickriding blizz xD

[tepid fiber]

I'm sorry you feel that way or that any opinion that isn't anti-Blizzard equates to d!ckriding

[rain cave]

man have you got beef with me or something

[tepid fiber]

No?

Why are you making this a personal argument, swing it back on topic

[rain cave]

I'm not

it just feels like you're going for my throat just because I dislike the battlepass/time grind model and the consoom stuff

[tepid fiber]

I'm not? You said things that I disagreed with and I directly addressed those things with my disagreements

[rain cave]

I don't see that on my end but w/e I'll take it from you

long day

[tepid fiber]

Someone disagreeing with you is not a personal attack. I don't even care about you or remember who you are half the time, I'm addressing the things you type

[rain cave]

just surprising

sicne I was typing some pretty uncontroversial things imo

didn't expect someone to disagree with it

thought most people were on the same page of being sick of the hyper time sucking model for games, something blizzard has been leaning into a lot

interesting to see the opposite side

[tepid fiber]

That's not something I was discussing, and you clearly have been ignoring what I've actually been saying

[rain cave]

that's what I've been talking about

whack

[tepid fiber]

I'm not disagreeing with or acknowledging any "hyper time sucking model"

[rain cave]

just general confusion ig

mb

[lone mantle]

I have purchased an expansion, and I resubscribe on occasion when new, worthwhile content becomes available. The daily time spent sitting there and playing is incredibly time-consuming.

[rain cave]

yeah I do wish sometimes I could just play WoW

instead of having to sift through all the fluff

[tepid fiber]

Well, you can

Play the content you want to play and don't play the content you don't want to play. It's not that difficult

[rain cave]

like if I log in on some of my toons I have to worry about what the fuck a creation catalyst is, the weird essence crafting quests, going around doing faction inductions, worrying I've missed skips, trying to find where any content even is

[tepid fiber]

If the amount of content you don't want to play outweighs the content you want to play, then play something else

[rain cave]

I just want to raid, maybe do some crafting, some M+

but I have no guild or groups

and crafting's gotten away from me now that they're locking essential recipes behind dungeons and quests and reps

frustrating

[tepid fiber]

You mean all of the stuff the game introduces you to gradually as you encounter it and the community has tons of guides and information about on sites such as wowhead.com?

[rain cave]

I don't want to read a guide I wanna play

that's WoW's biggest issue imo

[tepid fiber]

I would recommend looking for a guild or community by advertising yourself as a player while also responding to guild advertisements in the appropriate Looking For Guild channels here in this server, in dedicated LFG servers or the appropriate channels on other community discord servers, using the ingame Guild & Community Finder window, on your realm's Trade and General channels, on the official forums page for your realm, and even on the appropriate sections of raider.io or wowprogress.
https://www.wowhead.com/discord-servers

[rain cave]

it's tough to find a guild

i'm EU in NA

[tepid fiber]

Good thing I mentioned more than the one thing

[rain cave]

the issue is that because I've crossed so many wires on certain characters I get lost when I log back in

[tepid fiber]

It's easier if you follow all of the methods recommended in the post

[tepid fiber]

It just sounds like your issues are more and more self-engineered

[rain cave]

not really

like I was just playing the game, and somehow I'm in this weird mess

have I completed the campaign? I have no fucking idea

how do i get this crafting recipe? no clue

[tepid fiber]

Except the issues discussed are all about your approach, or because of gameplay that must be done because of how you play, or issues that have come up due to your own design

[rain cave]

nobody to play with because I'm in wrong timezone

[tepid fiber]

Campaign tracker and "story so far" section on the top right of your map and quest log for any zone or content area

Ingame feature

[rain cave]

and because I haven't caught up in a while, nobody would even WANT to take me on

the campaign tracker is too vague

[tepid fiber]

By looking at the line under the unlearned recipe that says where and how it's learned

Another ingame feature

[rain cave]

doesn't tell me how

e.g. it tells me to go to an NPC in the niffen town

I go to them

and they want some weird currency

which I don't know how to get

or want to get

I just want to craft

[tepid fiber]

If you play the quests in Loamm you're introduced to the currencies and how to get them

[rain cave]

I did the campaign I do not remember this

at least part of the campaign when it launched, not the later stuff I think

[tepid fiber]

You can also look up the recipe on wowhead.com and look at the comments sections, where other people and players have found this out for you

[rain cave]

w/e I'm not in the mood to debate design choices

I just want things to be streamlined so we can focus on having fun and not fluffing about and needing guides

[tepid fiber]

You don't even seem to be in the mood to play the game

[rain cave]

the actual core content in WoW is good. I just want them to better design other aspects

which they are on track to do

like the actual functionality of the new professions is very good!

just stop tying important objects to rep

[tepid fiber]

But what's good design for you may not be good design for everyone, especially if you're missing out on basic ingame features and how they work

[rain cave]

or other niche things

yeah but that would be subjective design

I'm talking about the more objective parts

ofc there will always be people trying to contest that

[tepid fiber]

Yeah but you're describing subjective things like "better" and "more fun"

[rain cave]

but there will always be people trying to argue that they think a live spreadsheet is better an engaging game

but that's missing the point I'd say

[tepid fiber]

You're not making an objective argument, you're making one based off of how you feel. That's subjective

[rain cave]

a lot of areas of WoW can be streamlined, this is not controversial it's talked about a lot and even the devs acknowledge it

hence why they're trying to streamline things

I'd say that's proof enough

[tepid fiber]

Ugh I can't even with you

[rain cave]

man don't make it personal I'm just trying to talk about bettering the game

things can change that's ok, I'm all for them trying out things that change design in some way

[tepid fiber]

I'm not making it personal, you're just talking about bettering the game with subjective details and vaguity without actually providing any constructive criticisms objectively for specific systems

You can't just handwave "make game better, be streamlined, this feature I don't understand that everyone else uses makes the game worse"

[rain cave]

I don't do that

[tepid fiber]

Except you do though

[rain cave]

I've said my qualm, and what specifically gives me an issue with it

it's not my job to constructively critique and provide an improvement for it here. It's a chatroom not a blizz developer interview lmao

I'd gladly sit down with a dev and give them my analysis, as I am a game dev who takes interest in these kinds of systems

[tepid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-gif-22205159

Aight buddy

[rain cave]

I just don't want to randomly fill this chat with design documents when nobody asked

that would just appear dickish to me

but to your point on subjectivity, ofc there will always be people who like the new or hate the new, whatever it is

but if you try to through appeal too wide you lose more people.

e.g. the people who do levelling purely as content I would say are a minority, and whilst it's good to keep them around. Blizz shouldn't sacrifice some new innovative design skew just for them, if they think it's better for the majority

[tepid fiber]

BTW a more important convo is happening somewhere else and I'm already checked out of this one

Just fyi

[rain cave]

I mean I was closing anyway

got to head out

[rain cave]

https://vxtwitter.com/Wowhead/status/1715051727731208622?t=szWtGkAPl4aaZZUVpPfArg&s=19

So to me seams they're building for something

I'd guess it's classic+ hype marketing

Especially since they're using the old logo

[tepid fiber]

Or they're still cashing in on an already aged out trend of continuing to post synthwave or lo-fi beat collections--not that it still isn't nice

[upper pasture]

eh, idk. seems like it's just this style of music is hip right now so they are cashing in on it

[tepid fiber]

Exactly, lehrdaniel

[upper pasture]

we saw the same thing happen in SLs too

[tepid fiber]

Nothing to overthink. And that logo is still the WoW logo, regardless of whatever the current expansion-specific design might be

[rain cave]

That's my point though

[tepid fiber]

That's not a "Classic WoW" logo, it's just the WoW logo

[rain cave]

It was marketing for sl

It's the old design is what I mean

[upper pasture]

i mean, it's marking for WoW still. i don't think you should be looking that deep into it is all

[rain cave]

It wouldn't surprise me if they're releasing these now as part of the hype build for a classic+, something we've all been thinking will be announced at this blizzcon

In some form

[tepid fiber]

There were also lo-fi mixes for DF, but again this is just another genre and is still just entertainment media content and it's not even advertising or featuring anything new or under a current spotlight

[upper pasture]

not everything is a tease for something sometimes things are just for fun. like all the lo-fi stuff has been well received and they have likely been working on these for awhile.

[tepid fiber]

You're reading into it

[rain cave]

As they're largely unrelated to current wow df stuff. And it's a LOT of music to just drop for no reason

[rain cave]

^^

All the lofi stuff so far has been for marketing

[tepid fiber]

TBS, please read all of my comment, don't scan it.

[rain cave]

I'm just analysing and following trends

What's tbs mean

[upper pasture]

you

TheBigSaint

(TBS)

[rain cave]

Oh

That's weird

Didn't now I had an abbreviation

[upper pasture]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rain cave]

But anyway

[tepid fiber]

You already type so goddamn much I can't block you without crashing the app from overloaded blocked messages. Shortening your name to a basic-ass abbreviation isn't anything special and it's also pretty contextually understandable if you look at it for more than two seconds

[rain cave]

I'm just saying I doubt they'd play for 6 hours of music or more just because

Especially if its not related to df or next xpac

[upper pasture]

i mean.

[rain cave]

Usually people just say saint

[tepid fiber]

Sure they would, especially if it was a side project that a team didn't need to dedicate any particular time to or was already being worked on passively, or was just a passion project by some team member

[rain cave]

And no need to block were all friends here

I like the discussions here

[tepid fiber]

You say a lot of stuff that I don't care to or find value in reading and it detracts from other conversations, I promise, I didn't have you blocked for any personal reasons

[rain cave]

I don't type more than anyone else in here though

[upper pasture]

are you sure about that?

[rain cave]

If anything I'm only here sometimes :p

[rain cave]

Damn, I always try to add

[tepid fiber]

Although like I said, you literally post too much for me to block you without the app crashing, so even if I hated you I couldn't block you if I wanted to

[rain cave]

Wdym I pay too much

[tepid fiber]

Yeah, not everything needs to be added

[rain cave]

Post*

[tepid fiber]

As in the number of posts in this server that would have to be reprocessed as blocked messages literally causes discord to crash if you're blocked

[rain cave]

It's a discussion chat, I just like to discuss lore and design from things I could see blizzard doing from what I've seen them tease or show

I don't just come in here with baseless speculation

I'm not accolonn

XD

If I'm speculating I bring receipts

[upper pasture]

eh, not always. like above you've speculated based off a music post that it has to be connected to something.

[rain cave]

But yeah weird bug, since I'm not spamming hundreds of messages

I just type at a normal pace

If a bit fast maybe

[rain cave]

We've speculated on less

[upper pasture]

even still, there isn't much to debate on that.

[rain cave]

I'm not even trying to get specific, but I've seen people go on wild tangents trying to call entire xpacs off of one small niche thing

[upper pasture]

and just because there's been "less" doesn't excuse this instance

[tepid fiber]

It's just a network news piece about a puppy parade, it's not the webpage for Lost

[rain cave]

I'm just looking at how they used lofi before, and since we're expecting some form of classic+, and these lofis are for azeroth and classic zones from what I've seen

[tepid fiber]

With characters that have modern designs right on them

If you're going to read into something unnecessarily, at least acknowledge all of the details

Put up all of that yarn on the corkboard, don't skimp

[rain cave]

I mean yeah that's a valid point

[tepid fiber]

I tend to make those, yes

[rain cave]

But at the same time I doubt they're promoting bfa and sl

With these

XD

[tepid fiber]

I also doubt they're promoting anything and believe they're just posting some music mixes for shits and giggles and media content

[rain cave]

Thrall is wearing his classic armour though tbf

[upper pasture]

i mean it could just be they are highlighting older content because someone literally wanted to do it

[lone mantle]

According to my calculations, the data reveals that TheBigSaint has posted a total of 17263 times, while Gumball has posted a total of 29975 times.

[rain cave]

Or they're highlighting old content to celebrate an upcoming classic+

Which is a common thing to do in media

[upper pasture]

as common as it is it is also common to just do a thing

[rain cave]

But if we look at the trend, blizzard have some lofi mixes for marketing before

Done*

[tepid fiber]

He looks more like his most recent armored model, if anything, while riding the Mag'har wolf mount

[upper pasture]

all the lo-fi mixes have also come out post release too so....i mean theres that

[tepid fiber]

I think a couple of the SL ones were during pre-patch, but then again SL did have an extended pre-patch phase

[rain cave]

ye but that's just a high res version of his classic armor I thought

[tepid fiber]

But I still don't want to give any merit to this specifically advertising anything other than "Hey here's some WoW music"

[upper pasture]

oh huh, i could've swore it was after release. but still it was post annoucement then

[rain cave]

I mean I don't deny that it's just

"hey here's wow music"

[upper pasture]

i mean because that's a fact. it's out and it's wow music

[tepid fiber]

Your first posts of the video were suggesting it was advertising something akin to Classic+

[rain cave]

but I'm just saying that to me it indicates a want to celebrate the older WoW, which to me FURTHER indicates that they're planning somethig for the classic content

everything they post is advertising

[upper pasture]

i mean, we could also look at the fact the the 20th anniversary is coming up

[rain cave]

yup!

[upper pasture]

so that could be a reason we are seeing older stuff revisted

not because some classic+ tease

[rain cave]

both

classic+ and the 20th anniversary go hand in hand in my eyes

[uncut vault]

Would be odd to use modern Jaina and Thrall for that though

[rain cave]

true

but I'm not saying it's direct

[warm topaz]

Leo Kaliski is now the Lead Composer of WoW

have we had any since Russell Brower left?

and Russell is back for 10.2

[deep pawn]

haha, so Stiven had access to the d4 expansion cdn but someone else datamined it, leaked it, and now Blizzard locked everyone out

[silent urchin]

oh is that what that was all about

[deep pawn]

yeah, Marlamin explained that it wasn't that deep

[subtle oar]

Wha?

[deep pawn]

https://twitter.com/Marlamin/status/1714998915064266757

[harsh wedge]

Where was it leaked ?

[deep pawn]

I don't know exactly, but someone who had the old encryption key spread it somewhere clearly enough that Blizzard changed it

[deep pawn]

So Li Li's joined up with Pirates but there's absolutely no Pirates in 11.0

[rose escarp]

As far as I understood it, that message only meant that the main theme wouldn't be Pirates.... I think.

But it does seem somewhat convenient that Li Li would now be a pirate.

AND I LOVE IT!

[deep pawn]

like her new adult appearance?

[rose escarp]

I mean, anything else would be rather weird at this point

[deep pawn]

I'm surprised she has the same outfit but cool still

[rose escarp]

I'd honestly expect something a bit more... piraty... but the picture could be from when she began her new journey, and - hopefully - we'll rendevouz with her soon™️

[subtle oar]

LI LIS WHAT?!

[deep pawn]

check the wowhead post

[rain cave]

which one

ah it just loaded

[harsh mason]

In my opinion, this is the best soundtrack for all the raids
https://youtu.be/x5AEAmeLf6A?si=kFt7G9YOVR0zYRol

[uncut vault]

She’s not a pirate, just hitching a ride for a bit haha

[upper pasture]

yeah but remember "no pirates"

[rain cave]

it's weird that nobody has really floated the idea that the "no pirates" tweet was a joke

at least not that I've seen

when I first saw the tweet I instinctively read it like the "no russian" meme

[pulsar minnow]

This should be the fyrakk theme imo

The fyrakk music is pretty underwhelming imo

This is far more epic and exciting

[upper pasture]

Oh 100% it’s a joke. There’s like zero shot that they would even come out and say something so definitely

[rain cave]

glad to hear it

was getting a bit like "uhh guys" whenver I see people going "WELL WE KNOW IT CAN'T BE PIRATES"

[upper pasture]

Yeah, I mean pirates is such a board thing too to say we’d have sea without pirates is a little silly. I mean they could also just be like “well we didn’t invite them so like we didn’t know there’d be pirates, oops”

[harsh mason]

On the contrary, I like the theme of Fyrakk. It sounds exactly like a character theme, not a combat theme. In fact, he already has two themes (although they are very similar)

[upper pasture]

Then you could also go the route of “they aren’t pirates they are corsairs”

[austere gazelle]

"' They aren't corsairs they are bucaneers "

[vernal juniper]

looks sad

so it maybe be real

https://imgur.com/a/gjTnKsU

[upper pasture]

Eh, 12 posts and 11 of them are in that image?

[vernal juniper]

yeah one guy collected them in one screenshot

[warm topaz]

see it before, looks cool

[rain cave]

what indicates to you that is more real than any other 'leaks'

there's not even an image to back it up 😭

[warm topaz]

Legion didn't have an image neither

[rain cave]

I don't remember someone leaking legion

I wasn't there for that

[warm topaz]

Scaleface did it

[rain cave]

but what indicates this one's real

[vernal juniper]

cause it look's poor

usually the fancy and long are fake

[upper pasture]

Eh, nothing screams this is real to me but I tend to disbelieve until something official is announced

Since there’s no use crying about something until it’s actually announced

[vernal juniper]

the elemental them is "leaked" since 2017

for 11.0 sadly all is coming to this thing

[upper pasture]

You could say that theme has been “leaked” from 2007 tho

[vernal juniper]

?

2017 https://i.vgy.me/4p53bF.png

[upper pasture]

Elemental is such a broad term and has a huge hand in Azeroth guessing there’s gonna be elementals is the safest bet there could ever be

Unless of course orcs

Not that I’m am opposed to elemental expansion

[vernal juniper]

yea I know but this photo is from 3 expantions ago

quite accurate so far

[upper pasture]

Eh

[vernal juniper]

but I'm up for elemental line EXPECIALLY if it will be corraleted to Black empire

since elemental lords are very close to my favorite theme aka black empire

[ember blaze]

Horde and alliance war

[subtle oar]

I need war in my Warcraft

[tepid fiber]

There's nothing wrong with there still being conflicts, especially between individual groups instead of the entire faction

[subtle oar]

Eh, I love faction conflict

[deep pawn]

I'm over it

[upper pasture]

Yeah, full blow this side hates that side is over played especially since that stuff doesn’t even hold true in the RW.

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1715450535816372228

just 2 weeks

crazy

[rain cave]

we can still have faction conflict, it's called breakout groups who still feel bitter

just not the core factions

[tepid fiber]

Holds up to the real world more likely than you'd think 😂

[rain cave]

oof

[upper pasture]

Eh, I’d like to think more and more people hate each over actual things and not because “it’s the way it’s been done forever” or whatever other BS reasonings

[rain cave]

I mean there is the inevitable friction that will grow between groups

[austere gazelle]

the MOP line is wrong though. Pandaria was more " Old God / New territory && Horde Vs alliance "
If Avaloren is not in 11.0, it'll be the focus of 12.0, AKA " continent reveal " like MoP, since they dropped the faction conflict, it'll be " continent reveal + old gods "

[deep pawn]

another 10.2 update

probably raid hotfixes

[tepid fiber]

I also remember having unrealistic optimism, then I went to war 😂

[upper pasture]

I mean yes but not whole faction vs whole faction

[upper pasture]

Fair

I’m also a live let live type person

[silent urchin]

Not necessarily against faction conflict, but the last few times they've done it have felt very contrived and unsatisfying, so I'm not really eager for them to try again

[tepid fiber]

Regardless of the direction taken, there's going to be people who complain about it. No worries there at least

[upper pasture]

Sad fact of life

[thin warren]

weren't flightstones gone in 10.2?

just asking, since i don't find patchnotes and guildie says they stay, but i tought we only will be using crests

[silent urchin]

flightstones are staying. Crests are becoming just a single currency, rather than fragments/full crests

[tepid fiber]

Okay but will they actually go into the currency tab 😂

[thin warren]

yes, i think i'm pretty sure of that

ah ok, thx Vaeph

[silent urchin]

Yes, they are in the currency tab

for crafting there's a reagent you buy that goes into the enchanted ones, but upgrading gear uses the currency directly

[tepid fiber]

Dope

[rain cave]

think the issue with faction conflict so far has that it's always had to revolve around a maintained status quo

and even when they attempted to break with with the burning and lordaeron

that was questionably handled

if they took the leap and weren't afraid to make some random faction outbreaks have some actual impact it could be cool

like the wrathgate stuff and how that made undercity hostile

image turalyon overstepping and stormwind becomes hostile for an event in the story as an example

could even have a horde pandaren sidestory who are uncomfortable having the zandalari there, could skew it as some of the pandaren not quite sure how to manage their emotions since the threat of the sha is gone and they're no longer in that isolated culture/custom of lowered emotional state.

[vernal juniper]

so

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/status/1715489068153237579

10.2.5 up soon on ptr^?

10.1.7 its gone

[silent urchin]

definitely not til after blizzcon

[vernal juniper]

mage22 spoken again, man he seems to be real this time

[warm topaz]

what did he say?

[vernal juniper]

the algarian races look very different but still dwarf skeleton
🙂 revamp is coming. only a part.
far away from the lands of conflict underground deep
here is the revamp, no "world" revamp part.
🙂

all race get shamans here, made me think shaman tank spec later but its a tormenting demon hunter spec. dont look like support to me just damage.
some people private messaged about specs.
i dont know if shamans getting one. because all race get shamans i thought yes, but instead we get is demon hunters spec that is like evoker but melee with glaives but middle ranged sycthe spells. instead of eating souls you torment them.

algar is under the ground of the EK. its like cata though. like zaralek but deeper and far away

its far away and unlike EK. deep deep down
city and zone.

algar is shown as very deep and far from EK. like zaralek but super speed dragonflying

zaralek entrance is small, algar entrance goes down very far. hard for me to explain without showing. like going down to the center.

cant say much.
lands of conflicts revamps are like broken isles and algar is like suramar. algar is shown to be very very deep and far when going to it. hope this makes sense.

so basically, undedground in deep EK, new DH spec, shaman all races, dragonfly, some zone rewamped

[subtle oar]

Sounds really silly. >New Demon Hunter spec. Def fake

[vernal juniper]

we were saying the same about evokers, and looks how it turned out xD

[harsh wedge]

Would seem weird to not introduce at least one new support spec though

[subtle oar]

Not really.

[vernal juniper]

I don't know why but this "leaker" with broken english with no images and nothing else, looks more releiable than the other "leaks"

it is in line with "elemental" exp, and towelliie removed tweet also

so I think this is the "guy" for this leak season, even if I don't like the leak

[tulip sun]

Where is he saying this?

[vernal juniper]

mmo

@tulip sun https://www.mmo-champion.com/search.php?searchid=71213833