beta-ptr-spoilers

[rain cave]

but metzen injecting the 'cool factor' as so many people seem to think he will, and putting it in void that doesn't seem so bad to me

there's nothing inherently clashing about metzen on void

obv they're setting up both is my stance

and the two are probably intrinsically linked

we're going to learn about the titans, what they lied about specifically. The avaloren dwarflikes are apparently resistant to the curse of flesh AND titan influence, implying they're just naturally immune to cosmic influence for some reason. Tying that to whatever abandoned titan facility that I feel might be there, as well as potential void influence they're priming us for

there's more I could talk about but I think you get the idea

going to new continent will deal with titan antithesis storylines, and that will involve the void somehow most likely

[deep pawn]

https://twitter.com/TripdWyr/status/1710768187468640731

Lead Tools Engineer

[dense plover]

i mean - ptr, so probably something technical?

maybe dragonriding in old world or old mounts getting dragonriding finally?

not gonna be anything story related - they told us at the start we arent gonna know the story until the patch launches

[deep pawn]

Or it's druid customization since he did other customization stuff in the barbershop

[dense plover]

oh could be

it was half implemented before

i would be happy about that

[hollow harbor]

wrong clike sry

[jade basalt]

Also he's a Tools Engineer

[ember blaze]

What’s that

[jade basalt]

So he likely works more on internal dev tooling than on story developments

Just to manage people's expectations

[ember blaze]

like, tools devs use to make the game?

[upper pasture]

Maybe it will have something that hints about player/guild housing and player placement stuff hopium

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/im-dead-dead-bruh-skeleton-dead-bruh-skeleton-dead-im-dead-bruh-gif-26854866

although, ion did say it would be a multi expansion feature

[deep pawn]

Tool engineers do the backend work I think

So they make the barbershop function and then the UI designers do the UI part

[silent urchin]

blizzcon virtual ticket on thursday copium

[little hound]

Copium

[silent urchin]

huh, I guess it wasn't the promotion on thursday

wonder what that is

[deep pawn]

In absence is the Storm Rider...

[upper pasture]

That’s because that was the 11.0 preorder reward not the blizzcon reward

[deep pawn]

Some people swore it was gonna be the elemental haha

[pulsar minnow]

Well storm riders are like always gryphons - and gryphons just got dragonriding animations

Idk why people believed the elemental mount was a storm elemental. It was very clearly giant chunks of ice

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/4/42/Storm_Elemental_(Tempest_Unleashed).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20221119201716

Especially since WoW storm elementals look like this…

[subtle oar]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1711496238548287564

The mount we saw on the BlizzCon promo material is not the pre-order mount

Its called the Bound Blizzard mount

[pulsar minnow]

yep. blizzcon mounts are themed after, well, blizzard.

idk why anyone thought otherwise

[dense plover]

i said there was a chance, but in my mind that chance was like 5%

[glass flicker]

There's a good chance we'll also encounter the new mount as an enemy in game, as we did the bear from a few years back in the Azure Span.

[pulsar minnow]

I didn't realize til today but we've already seen this elemental lmao

[glass flicker]

Oh lol. I didn't even notice.

[pulsar minnow]

yeah I noticed it like only a couple min ago

[glass flicker]

They could've been at least a little more subtle.

[pulsar minnow]

Its got cool armor tho!

One of these guys for a mount when??

[glass flicker]

So does the shaman class mount. Doesn't help it from being turned into a mob we fight.

[glass flicker]

I don't like 'em.

[pulsar minnow]

aw, agree to disagree. I loooovvve the concept of the geode elemental

[glass flicker]

I don't like mobs where the head isn't at the top of the body and is more in the center.

Bothers me sick. And I don't know why.

[pulsar minnow]

thats totally fair

I was reminded of this bit of concept art since we were talking about the geode elemental

I'm kinda sad we never got the second to the left lava elemental there

[glass flicker]

We just might in Guardians of the Dream.

Fyrakk patch, 'member?

[pulsar minnow]

yeah but if it hasn't been datamined yet im more inclined to think we probably wont

but hey, we basically get new elemental models like EVERY expansion, so maybe in 11.0

[glass flicker]

Was the patch given a release date?

[pulsar minnow]

not yet, but most models are typically in with the first few builds of a patch

[glass flicker]

I think everything is still a work in progress. Besides, we wouldn't want another Ny'Alotha situation, right?

A city of indescribable horrors. NPCs in gear from the same raid!

[pulsar minnow]

ugh. dont remind me lmao

[glass flicker]

Yeah. So it's better if we kept model speculation to a minimum. And our expectations even lower than that.

[deep pawn]

oooo, wood dwarves would be cool

nice contrast to stone and diamond dwarves

and would be why the titans would be concerned

AND if it's near the root tree...

[ember blaze]

a dwarf expansion

[austere gazelle]

Eonar planted a tree in Un'goro, Illgynoth in the Emerald Nightmare raid was in a corrupted tree in... Un'Goro 😏

[austere gazelle]

Elemental expansion, the Dwarven Khaz Algar will just be a zone or the capital city. Dragonriding will become StormRiding

[pulsar minnow]

why is everyone so fixated on Stormriding 😭 it’s just a gryphon mount

[cosmic beacon]

I mean we know more mounts are getting dragonriding mechanics and blizz wanna keep dragonriding

Makes sense

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but they just renamed it to dynamic flight, stormrider is just referring to a dwarven gryphon mount

[rain cave]

that's what I reckon

they might call it stormriding as like the regional flavour text

but that's just like cold weather flying in northrend

it was still just flying

[deep pawn]

Doesn't mean they won't do storm riding glyphs in the new area and stuff

[pulsar minnow]

Just like how we had Dreamweaver Glyphs

oh I think I found the Algarian Stormrider btw

at least its textures (well KeyboardTurner on Twitter did)

trying to find the image

[ionic terrace]

anyone notice they soft confirmed panda druids

the kid is a panda

[upper pasture]

i mean we are getting new glyphs in each zone and why wouldn't we? also who cares if there are new "storm riding glyphs" to get because that's just something to do and there's no indication that they will be the same as they are now, they could be tied to new storm riding abilities OR even cosmetics for the storm riding mounts. there's nothing saying that they will 100% strip us of our current Drake abilities or make us re-earn them AND even if they did i'd much rather have storm riding from the start than waiting for 11.1 to fly

[pulsar minnow]

https://x.com/keyboardturn/status/1691584663851294770?s=46&t=zpCZJTn5oMkjXo-yH5rLYg

[ember blaze]

Isn’t that their intention for all classes

[pulsar minnow]

Here’s the algarian stormrider

It was found months ago

I totally forgot but this has to be the mount

[ionic terrace]

yeah but i have to wonder if druids will come in waves

[ember blaze]

Is that what we’re riding across the ocean?

[pulsar minnow]

Most likely

[ember blaze]

[pulsar minnow]

This was found back in august and nobody really paid attention to it. Now it all makes sense. Looks almost void/undead.

[ionic terrace]

eh i guess they won't since people would be annoyed that their race didn't get druids lol

[pulsar minnow]

now while other past expansion mounts didn't exactly hint at the overall theme, this could be an indication of sorts

also it appears to have customization based on the beaks

[subtle oar]

[deep pawn]

yeah, we've been wondering about that texture for a while since it's very unlike normal gryphons and if anything feels a bit deathy

[dense plover]

could just be layers

like inside vs outside

or if it changes color or something like the tree mount does

[pulsar minnow]

Sure but the beaks are different

But yeah that’s a lot for a purchase mount

[ember blaze]

A lot for something you pay for?

[pulsar minnow]

Oh no I think it should be customizable

But a lot compared to past expansion purchase mounts

I definitely could see it being customizable tho

[ionic terrace]

realms are down

[rain cave]

it's weird because if it is just a normal hi-res grphon with a weird color scheme

then I don't get the fuss

[pulsar minnow]

It likely has an armor texture over top

[rain cave]

the color pallette is interesting but it makes me think there's some extra part to it we haven't seen

like armor yeah

or even an ghostly effect

magic effect

could be very cool if they add a new lightning/storm look

that isn't just the cyan lightning

OH

I'm just imagining it having storm cloud vfx that spark with lightning as you use dynamic flying

so like when you do the barrel roll you do a big lightning burst with a trail

a small flap could be a thunder clap

gaining speed and going blue forms clouds and sparks around you

ok now I see what blizz might be planning

that's a great way to get people going for mounts

[deep pawn]

I mean if it's super cool I'm down with Stormriding for a patch or two, but please unlock all dynamic flying faster

[ember blaze]

Progression

[deep pawn]

My complaint has always been if it's the same system and we're just regathering the same powers but slightly storm named, it'd be bad

Plus I don't want another year with the rest of my collection turned off

[upper pasture]

i don't think you understand dynamic flying IS dragon riding.

where old school flying is more of a....i guess static flying

[rain cave]

^

I think that they should just make dynamic flying basic abilities global, but then in the new areas try and incorporate thematic things

don't even have to necessarily tie them to glyphs or anything

just have environmental things to aid in getting about efficiently for people who care

[pulsar minnow]

I like that idea

[upper pasture]

Idk, I don’t see them getting rid/making abilities baseline because at the end of the day this is an mmorpg and rpgs are all about progression. Why take away a progression system that’s as simple as collect all the glyphs once

[dense plover]

i could see the glyphs becoming a feat of strength

and then the abilities are just granted as you level

or they might do the opposite

make it part of leveling and reward XP the first time you get them on your account

since theyre accountwide, a player only needs to get them once

but they essentially have to ensure that new players have all the glyphs by the time they start the expac after DF

so they have to do SOMETHING

[deep pawn]

Just so long as they don't remove all the upgrades in the next expac and you go back to 3 vigor in the first zone

PTR will be down all night by the way

[upper pasture]

I mean, that wouldn’t be the worst thing tbh

It’s only an inconvenience until you get the glyphs

[pulsar minnow]

itll take like 3 min to get the glyphs back anyways 🤷‍♂️

[deep pawn]

still would be annoying to redo the same thing again in a new coat, 10 minutes or not I don't want to redo the same system again.

Like I'll admit I'm tired of new glyphs each patch

[upper pasture]

I mean, it’s the same system yes but not the same persay, it’s different locations and different views.

It’s not like in 11.0 it’s gonna ask you to go back to the DIs and recollect those glyphs

Sometimes I really wonder if you enjoy playing the game

[deep pawn]

I like gearing, dungeons, occasionally raiding, but one time grinds to unlock base functions? No

[upper pasture]

but they aren't base functions. they seem base now because you've had them longer than you had been without them. also just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't. it's one time collect them and have the whole tree. just don't spoil someone else's fun because you're sour about it. just be thankful they are accountwide and not reset each week.

like i don't really see how this is something to be complaining about unless you really are out of touch and expect things to just be handed to you or whatever.

[deep pawn]

It was fine this expansion to be one and done with it and never think again beyond clicking the points on a new char, but to just redo it again in 11.0 would be like "We already did this, why do it with a new name."

Especially if they lock you to specific Stormriding mounts.

[upper pasture]

if every system is one and done WoW would have been shut down a long time ago

[deep pawn]

WoW drags systems until players hate them with every fiber of their being, like AP and Mission Tables.

[upper pasture]

AP yes but i enjoyed mission tables.

honestly DF would have been the perfect expansion for me if they had included mission tables.

[deep pawn]

After getting the mount and pets in Shadowlands I stopped interacting with mine

[upper pasture]

that's great, for you. me on the other hand did mine on plenty of toons up until SLs was over

[deep pawn]

Given they finally retired the system, engagement was probably way down

[upper pasture]

or the vocal minority was finally loud enough for them to skip it

[pulsar minnow]

why are we just inventing reasons to be mad

No, I highly doubt blizzard is making "stormriding mounts"

They're slowly integrating dynamic flight for all flying mounts. They said it's coming but just not in DF

[deep pawn]

It's a reasonable fear for me given WoD on has removed either flying at the start or with DF limited you to just 4 mounts.

[upper pasture]

honestly they will likely take away flying at the very beginning and we will "storm attune" our DR mounts and whatever other "normal" mounts they add to dynamic flying at launch but much like in DF i don't expect it to be much futher than like an hour or so into 11.0 we will regain some sort of base level flying

[pulsar minnow]

well they're not gonna get rid of dynamic flight considering it's like the best feature they added this expansion

[deep pawn]

oh I know they aren't, I just won't be happy if they expand the concept to as many flying mounts as they can to restrict us again.

Just like you can fly in old zones, it'd be very blizzard if dynamic flying to start was only in the Dragon Isles while a new set of customizable mounts are what we engage with in new expac

[pulsar minnow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bringing-dragonriding-animations-to-more-old-world-mounts-in-patch-10-1-7-334145

Again. They are working on expanding dynamic flight to all mounts they can

So I don't know where you'd get the idea they'd limit us to four mounts again. When they've stated they're working on the oppposite

[upper pasture]

he's scared that in his mind we will get only 4 new mounts in 11.0 to ride.

but that's just it it's in his head. like you said blizzard has been working on all the older models behind the scenes there's no reason to believe that that's gonna happen

[deep pawn]

Sorry I worry they'll repeat one of my least favorite things of this expansion.

[upper pasture]

that's a pretty low bar if collecting a one time thing is your "least favorite"

[deep pawn]

I meant the mount lock

I miss my non dragon mounts

I personally want every mount in the game to fly like ff14

[upper pasture]

okay there's proof that they are bringing dynamic flying to more than just dragon mounts and yet you're here all doom and gloom that they are putting us on 4 stormriding mounts for the expansion even though there is evidence that will not be the case.

there is more evidence that dynamic flying will be more than just heck just the dragon riding mounts come 11.0 than there would be for a total reset of flying like how DR had to be to make it make sense.

[deep pawn]

ptr is datamineable

[upper pasture]

what do you mean by that statement

[deep pawn]

Marlamin on MMO-C "The PTR build is dataminable, stuff should be showing up soon although notes/deploy likely won't be until tomorrow."

[upper pasture]

oh the new patch i see.

[pulsar minnow]

The "mount lock" literally only exists because they don't have the advanced flying animations for all the mounts - which again. They are working on.

[deep pawn]

Just taking longer than I'd like personally, sucks it takes them a year plus to adapt to player reaction.

[deep pawn]

@uncut lintel It's over, Dreamtalons are travel form

MMO-C has datamining up.

Druid Customization is in

[silent urchin]

Curious where they got the build from, it's supposedly not up on the cdn yet

although maybe blizz just gave it to them, or they get access to vendor or wahtever and just need permission to post

[deep pawn]

wowhead posted their datamines

[silent urchin]

Yeah. Honestly makes sense if they do get early access, given how fast the datamines come out sometimes

[upper pasture]

Uh oh, permanent augment rune

[pulsar minnow]

its not that simple tho, there's a crap load of animation rigs they gotta add to

it'' take time but they'll do it eventually

[deep pawn]

even wowhead is saying it now

"The Permanent Augment Rune has been added on the Patch 10.2 PTR, likely signifying that Patch 10.2 is likely the final Patch of Dragonflight!"

That exclamation point hurts

[upper pasture]

I mean, it’s speculation but they aren’t saying things like “oh no this is the end of days 10.2 is the final patch of DF!

[pulsar minnow]

likely atp

disappointing but oh well

[upper pasture]

Just they are stating facts that usually a permanent Aug rune means it’s the final patch

[pulsar minnow]

I hope for 10.3, but I doubt it. I just hope it doesn't become a norm

oh hey devoker buff to disint

[deep pawn]

For me, no 4th raid automatically makes this around WoD/SL levels for me, that may be controversial but it's how I feel, expac fell short of it's promise.

[upper pasture]

That’s great, if DF continues how it’s been for the rest of the expansion it’s damn near the top for me.

We don’t even know when the next expansion comes out. If there’s no content drought between the end of 10.2 and 11.0 that would be huge

I’ll wait to rank DF truly until it’s over

Considering how shitty my RL has been during DF I’m honestly surprised I have such good things to say about anything but I suppose it’s more about what you focus on.

[dense plover]

ok

so they added a permanent augment rune

thats uh

thats a pretty strong indicator for no 10.3

oh dang, its a renown reward

thats great

i havent gotten the permanent stat item since legion b/c of it being unavailable to casual players

[deep pawn]

It's renown and probably hefty gold sink and I'll pass on it regardless

What about the BfA one was unavailable to casuals, it too was just a rep grind

[dense plover]

maybe bad memory

[deep pawn]

yeah the Rajani rep was a hell of a grind, but it was just rep and gold

[dense plover]

looks like they added 2 weapons to old dungeons - dark heart thicket and black rook hold - i assume this is so M+ dungeons have loot for classes that didnt have it

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=211473/corrupted-knot & https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=211470/ravencrests-wrath

looks like theyre adding a way to get the flamecat appearance accountwide

[deep pawn]

it already was account wide

[dense plover]

then i have no idea why theyre tracking it

maybe tied to new druid customization?

[deep pawn]

it is.

The fire cat form was unlocked by a polearm class looting the weapon

[dense plover]

theres a new area in the emerald dream zone

or at least a newly named area

maybe some connection to the winter queen?

[deep pawn]

or Vyranoth maybe

[dense plover]

oh yeah

possibly

[deep pawn]

No matter what they're gonna have to deliver something super hype at Blizzcon to prevent the letdown of no 10.3.

[tepid fiber]

Did they say there's no 10.3?

[deep pawn]

They added a Permanent Augment Rune which since WoD has only come with the last raid

Combined with the AOTC mount.

What I meant they'll need something big to balance out them saying no 10.3

[ember blaze]

ill take a half cost refund of expansion cost

for half the content

[upper pasture]

yawn

[deep pawn]

It's not half the content, but it's the least amount of raid and dungeon content they've ever delivered which hurts.

[upper pasture]

Meh, DF has been pretty fun ngl. And having like zero content droughts has been pretty cool too

[deep pawn]

I wish i had enjoyed dreamsurges

[deep pawn]

Well this is spicy...

https://i.imgur.com/VromJYz.jpeg

[warm topaz]

there was no build last night?

[deep pawn]

it's on the CDN but wasn't pushed live

it was datamined by wowhead and mmo-c though

[warm topaz]

oh okey, something cool?

[deep pawn]

Outside of druid customization it's a relatively small build.

Which makes sense we're a month from live probably

[warm topaz]

yep

[austere gazelle]

you think they could release the patch for the 25/26 or too soon ? xD

they are known to make short notices now that made some high end comptetiting guild raging for the RTWF

[deep pawn]

too soon

They give at least 2 weeks warning of season end so it'd had to have been yesterday for the 24th

[austere gazelle]

So no 10.2 before blizzcon.

[austere gazelle]

Kinda annoyed by this ( if this is true, which I kinda doubt ) cause the Odyn book clearly mentions Khaz Algar not being on Avaloren, since they couldn't go on Avaloren to begin with. It gave the impression that Khaz Algar was on the western part of Kalimdor, where there were no dwarves at all , not in the vicinity of facilities like Uldama and Ulduar, moreover, there are no main titan facilities in Kalimdor as we now of yet ( I mean Uld stuff ) we know that there is the chamber of the heart somewhere and a stuff in un'goro but nothing more

[thin warren]

this looks very nice 😮

[deep pawn]

yeah, that's the hiccup cause even if the Algarians were placed by Titans vs the Keepers... unless those Earthen stopped communicating with Odyn

[austere gazelle]

The only possibilities is that the keepers went on Avaloren and that Khaz Algar happened there and soon after they broke ties with Odyn and co, Odyn tried o get back to those lands but couldn't because it became well defended.
We also know that this lands is full of " Heretics " that would " kill each others because its in their nature " and with the ending of the " secrets of Azeroth " I'm starting to believe that Avaloren house forces of Fel, Void, Titans and Elemental, that created a new faction that would be heretics in the eyes of Odyn who then would be right to believe that, according to their different nature, this alliance wouldn't hold on the long term.

guess he was wrong and they used their combined power to hide themselves from the titans forces and concealed themselves behind a wall of storms.

To avoid this stuff being know by everyone, Odyn might have decreted that those area were off limits , removed Avaloren references from records, and then flagged the seas as " Forbidding sea " and " veiled sea " surrounded with myth of legend of monsters and death to avoid curious mind to go there

[deep pawn]

Well would you be shocked that Odyn would hide something he couldn't control?

[thin warren]

cool actually that we have a whole backside of Azeroth to uncover

[deep pawn]

I mean this is still likely too early to be real, but it feels much more like a real leak than many we've seen.

The Agg'ora in particular are crazy enough to feel like Dracthyr when we first heard of them

[austere gazelle]

what put me off is that the dwarf pics looks more like an artwork that the first new race pic

[deep pawn]

Especially if some writer who forgot the exact chain of events that lead from Grond to Ogres would just have Aggramar creating these.

I wouldn't put it past the writers to give us an entire continent of "failed Titan creations"

Which of course could apply to 80% of the playable races.

The only problem is Dwarves arose long after Odyn stopped being Prime correct?

Yeah, Dwarves are only 2500 years old unless they plan to retcon that

[austere gazelle]

mmm not sure of the exact timeframe, but I guess some earthen began showing sign of.. " free will " and own cultural stuff as localized and isolated mutation from there and there before it began to be more... " mainstream ". Possible that Odyn tried to cull those out

[deep pawn]

Gnomes actually woke about 500 years before the Dwarves did

[austere gazelle]

Khaz Algar might be the original true dwarves culture then. We can consider those as " primal / proto dwarves "

[deep pawn]

Or perhaps the curse of flesh started sooner than we knew?

I'm kinda surprised we had active watchers still compiling reports and sending them to what I presume at that point corrupted Keepers in Ulduar?

I feel like even the writers likely can't remember their own convoluted timeline

[austere gazelle]

I fear the same tbh

[deep pawn]

Like most people won't consider dwarves as a race to be less than half the age of human kingdoms

[rain cave]

Well what if its origins are different than we thought as well

[harsh mason]

People have proved again that wow community forgets literally everything. The argument about honoring the 10.2 final patch because there will be an infinite rune is absolutely meaningless and breaks about it. https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=147707/repurposed-fel-focuser

It's sad, because again, because people don't know what they're talking about, a drama starts out of nothing.

Although maybe 7.2 was the final patch in the legion, and 7.3 was a mass hallucination

[austere gazelle]

All this debate is pointless. Dev said they didn't know if this was the last one. At this point considers the reasons to say " I don't know ", if behind they are sure it is... there are none.
If its the final patch, they'll say so, if they don't know, they don't know

[harsh mason]

Well, as you can see, the «authoritative» people from Twitter have already decided everything for the developers. It's just funny to me that they write about what they don't know.

I understand that they absolutely don't care about what they write and that they become a source of information for most people, but it's crazy that they don't care so much about what they write

Considering that the argument about the rune can be destroyed simply by going to wowhead and see in which patches such runes were added earlier. But they really don't care that they didn't even do it

Although considering that it was the authors with wowhead who wrote about it (considering that they have the opportunity to check how it was in the upcoming patches!), then I shouldn't be surprised at anything at all

They have Tindral the final boss of the new raid, this is normal for them

[austere gazelle]

Wowhead is sometime wrong on many stuff, particularly on Lore topic xD

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1712099707843973458

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

The "40 Player" entry in the "Difficulty" database file has had some unusual changes in the latest 10.2 PTR build

Classic Timewalking? Anniversary Raids? Let me know your thoughts

▶ Play video

Twitter · Oct 11, 2023, 1:35 PM

[harsh mason]

It's not even about lore, it was news about the boss's technical changes.

They either keep slaves who write news to them without knowing the context, or AI writes news to them

[deep pawn]

Also, that focuser was a flask, not a rune.

For legion the reusable rune item did indeed come from the argus reps

[harsh mason]

The second rune. The first from the fraction in 7.2

[deep pawn]

Once again, the first one was a flask, not a rune and is an item type we haven't seen again

[harsh mason]

What's the difference, it's an endless item to buff the character. The fact that it is generally referred to as an argument (which is easily refuted) is already enough to ignore such statements. There is only one argument - the developers' words. Everything else is ASSUMPTIONS (and those who make ASSUMPTIONS for facts and evidence ... I've already written about these before)

I have a better proof: the first letter in the word Fyrakk is F; the first letter in the word final is F. A coincidence??

Oh, then I don't even know what proof is needed anymore…

[pulsar minnow]

I mean, everything is of course speculation at the end of the day

But there’s more and more evidence pointing towards 10.2 being the final major patch

The AOTC mount, infinite augment rune (which is different from a flask)

[deep pawn]

I'd prefer this expansion to have more raid content myself, but yeah, signs point to this being the end of that and hopefully we get some good explanations why in 3 weeks

[tropic trail]

i wouldn’t be surprised if we got more medium patches like a 10.2.9 or a final “patch” (smaller than .1 and .2) focused somewhere on EK/Kalimdor instead of on the dragon isles with some endgame dungeons or mini raids (i know it’s a pipe dream but i really want to see some form of content focused around gilneas and lordaeron)

[deep pawn]

There's data for dragon riding events through a 10.2.5 then it jumps to 11.0

[warm topaz]

no 10.2.7 you think?

[silent urchin]

Where does it say a patch number on the dragonriding events

[deep pawn]

I'd have to dig for the post but the data had stuff for 10.2, 10.2.5, and 11.0. Some tried to rationalize "just means no race event for 10.2.7 clearly"

[warm topaz]

the background art is pretty similar to the Dragon isles concept art

[jade basalt]

You mean copy-pasted https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/d/d2/Dragon_Isles_concept.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220419181237

Bit lazy of them

[dense plover]

super fake

again

website wont be available until launch

it never has been before

[deep pawn]

they surely test it internally though

[dense plover]

not anywhere where youll be able to get a fucking picture

until a week before, its gonna be too few people with too little access to each thing for anyone to leak pictures

we have NEVER gotten a photo leak earlier than a week before

so stop posting them

theyre 100% guaranteed to be fake

theyve NEVER been real

it just makes you look incredibly gullible

[warm topaz]

its fine

let it be

[dense plover]

also, an internal website test would use a mobile emulator

not an actual phone

that way you can open the console and check for errors

[deep pawn]

it's still something to talk about since we have nothing else til Blizzcon

[dense plover]

we will very likely get actual leaks a week before

or during that week before

both SLs and DF had leaks during that time

probably going to be similar scale - so cinematic still or merch leak

[deep pawn]

or media pack leaks

[dense plover]

yeah

but not website leak

or ingame non-cgi cinematic image

you can safely ignore anything with the red X as well

those are only for alpha/beta ingame cinematics

CGI cinematic gets watermarked

[jade basalt]

To be fair Shadowlands did get website image leaks

Though the Bolvar one wasn't the official website but the Blizzard Gear website

The rest were just shared on 4chan

[dense plover]

but not until much closer to blizzcon

[deep pawn]

Guild Clash casters announced

[warm topaz]

banger team

[deep pawn]

oh notes out

[harsh mason]

In short, for the wow community on Twitter, DF has really already ended (arguments: achiv and rune). I didn't even doubt it.

[deep pawn]

A new celebratory popup will appear when you unlock a Great Vault slot or upgrade the reward of a slot.

[dense plover]

good

especially since theyre making the vault available from heroic dungeons (i think?)

[deep pawn]

Players will of course err on the side of "It'll be like how the last 8 years of expansions have been" vs them changing it up

[dense plover]

"To improve readability in the Quest pane, you can now choose between different background parchment colors."

[harsh mason]

There were 2 infinite runes in the legion (I absolutely don't care that from the point of view of game mechanics it is flask, since the rune gave exactly the same bonuses as other runes).

So no

No one even remembered about the rune from 7.2, so the argument with flask no longer works (it looks like an attempt to justify

[deep pawn]

Cause a flask is not an augment rune

[upper pasture]

Lol really?

[deep pawn]

even today you can stack that flask item and a modern augment rune.

[dense plover]

holy shit

FULL CUSTOMIZATION BOYS

AND GIRLS

AND EVERYONE ELSE

full transformation is the OG form

[harsh mason]

So, on the one hand, we have developers who refused to answer the question about further patches in each interview (answering that this is not the end, but an important plot point); and on the other hand, simple assumptions that ignore the words of the developers, but rely on what happened before. And the community chose the second (and it came up with it itself and believed in it itself. That's why I say: I didn't even doubt it.

So, I'm talking now about the content creators who write about it: where is the evidence? Preferably the words of the developers? No? Then you will see the misinformation. But as I wrote earlier, they don't care

[dense plover]

i look SO COOL

[harsh mason]

And these are no longer assumptions, people are already starting to really look for excuses why there are 2 major patches in DF. This is surrealism

[silent urchin]

Blizzcon is in literally 3 weeks, they're not going to let slip anything that's gonna be a blizzcon announcement, which is why they don't talk about it

I'm pretty sure they'd have said there's no 10.3 if there's going to be no 10.3

but also comparing to previous expansions is stupid because every single interview about patch cadence mentions how they're trying to do things differently

[dense plover]

not sure but they might have updated some combat animations

also look how cool I look!

[deep pawn]

they had earlier unless you mean even more new ones

[deep pawn]

We're not looking for excuses, we're scared and a bit disappointed.

[dense plover]

not sure

[deep pawn]

they had been updating cast animations for a while

[deep pawn]

They can't say anything like that before Blizzcon because they wouldn't say that without some very clear "This is what we're doing instead" to try and not cause another Diablo Immortal level moment

[dense plover]

renown icons were updated

kinda higher resolution but smaller

overall more detailed

dungeon text in the vault is now updated

so for casual likes me, you can now get SOME vault progress through heroic or timewalking

[deep pawn]

wait...

aren't these beaks the gryphon beaks from the datamine

course some discord servers are having problems

[silent urchin]

I think the beaks have always looked pretty similar

[deep pawn]

I meant the 4 customizations

[silent urchin]

Bah, crash bug still exists :(

[dense plover]

lol it might be

could be that that skin is not a fully correct skin

and was just a placeholder

[silent urchin]

Graphics up to 3 is fine, 4 and above insta crashes

[dense plover]

im on 10

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep pawn]

Anyone have a quick link to the texture pack?

[silent urchin]

seems to be any shadow setting above low. I can set it to 10 then turn shadows down and its fine

[dense plover]

for some reason i thought the permanent rune was a toy and not a bind on pickup item

😐

[deep pawn]

if only, I think each one has been an item that takes up bag space

how much gold is this one

[thin warren]

100k

just reading the post about it

[deep pawn]

what I expected, not worth it unless you literally pop them every time

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7T_m8ZXIAArroU?format=png&name=small Nevermind there's more than 4

and they don't match up to the new moonkin ones

[dense plover]

they dont?

hmm

[deep pawn]

none of them have the overlap tooth bit

and nostril is different too

[dense plover]

huh yeah

ok

i love all the moonkin customization tho

wanna hear something crazy?

[deep pawn]

I do too, wish they had gone a bit further with bear and cat

[dense plover]

the moonkin customization is more options than the fucking whimsydrake which has almost NO customization XD

[dense plover]

they might in the future

its definitely something that can happen over time

[rain cave]

that is what is being shown in the picture though is it not

it's on a PC screen

[deep pawn]

nah, it's an actual phone on the keyboard

[rain cave]

ah

the art in the background doesn't look the same as the DF one either

can't tell if/where it's zoomed in on

[dense plover]

it literally is my guy

like 1000% is

[rain cave]

I will say that the fact the dwarves do just look like somewhat higher-rez earthen dwarves is probably the biggest fake tell to me

because I get the feeling blizz would use the opportunity to completely revamp a look like that

[deep pawn]

nah, it's different, people posted next to each other, but it could still be AI

[dense plover]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Mb-MYuqvUOobAxosR9JKlJ91qvlepNOulKTPHkyx8wg/%3Fcb%3D20220419181237/https/static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/d/d2/Dragon_Isles_concept.jpg/revision/latest?width=1107&height=443

its literally the same

its just color shifted in places

but the actual shapes are identical

[rain cave]

whereabouts is it in the image tho

[dense plover]

its just cropped in on a specific part

[rain cave]

I can't line it up

unless it's mirrored

[deep pawn]

the river doesn't look the same

but they could have easily taken the image and had AI create a new one in the same style/palette

[dense plover]

pretty sure its cropped in on the middle of the image

[rain cave]

it's not

[dense plover]

its definitely fake tho

[rain cave]

I reckon it's just

an AI over the top of that image

[dense plover]

the fact that it mentions every single thing people have been talking about?

no way its real

[upper pasture]

ish

[deep pawn]

Not one person has had Aggramar Goliaths on the radar

[rain cave]

there's a lightning bolt in the left of the website image

no such thing in the OG image

[upper pasture]

then they added the cloud/storm effects around the image

[dense plover]

^^^^

[rain cave]

and I can't find this shape in the river anywhere

[dense plover]

its not real

[rain cave]

ik

[dense plover]

i promise its fake

[rain cave]

I thnik it would just be AI over the top of something similar

[deep pawn]

What would you do if Aggramar did make an ogre like race on that side of the continent haha.

People also couldn't find anything at all that looked like the background in Gorgrond

[upper pasture]

for real tho, i'd think that's TOO similar to DIs so they'd get some flak for that

[silent urchin]

They've got a weird texture overlayed at the side of the image

But I suspect it's some AI generated one based off the dragonflight art

[rain cave]

are the dwarf images from anywhere?

[silent urchin]

it all feels a bit.. indistinct. Like there's a lot of detail but it never actually resolves that well

[deep pawn]

So at the very least if it's fake, someone put a lot of work into that Goliath and the background zone.

[dense plover]

AI doesnt take a lot of work

[rain cave]

the background could be AI

[deep pawn]

except the Goliath doesn't look that AI vs an actual model

[rain cave]

but I think the screenshot is an actual screenshot photoshopped

what goliath?

you mean the earthen dwarf dude?

[deep pawn]

The Agg'ora

[rain cave]

ye

[deep pawn]

It's more Ogre than Dwarf

[rain cave]

I reckon they just got the WoD ogre model and overlayed it with earthen stuff

in PS

[dense plover]

or they found fanart online and modified it a bit

[silent urchin]

Or they just stole art from one of the many wow knockoffs

[deep pawn]

if there's something that makes it feel real is a random race we couldn't have predicted before hand, like Djaradin if leaked we'd be "What?" haha

@dense plover AWW HELL NO.

You can't mount in moonkin form anymore

[dense plover]

i noticed

i reported it

its definitely a bug

[deep pawn]

You sure? Old forms give that error, you just shift out of the new models just like you would bear and cat

Could be them deciding to make it "equal"

[dense plover]

i dont think so

when you have the celestial glyph, you can still mount

so im pretty sure its a mount

[plain violet]

It's on!

[vernal juniper]

https://i.vgy.me/mYCMlY.png

[thin warren]

What a cute plant

oh, the blocks is you 😛

[dense plover]

If you freshly copied a Druid, visit a barber and it will be fixed automagically

[upper pasture]

guessing this is what that X post was about

[deep pawn]

yeah

it was expected given he worked on other barbershop stuff

[harsh mason]

I don't understand why you're scared and disappointed when you've been writing here for 6 months that this is the last patch and raid.

I also sincerely don’t understand , how can be disappointed in something that no one knows about.

This is exactly the same as being disappointed by the leaks of the new expansion

Like, no one knows what the new exp will be about. Exactly the same, no one knows if the last major patch is 10.2 or not

[pulsar minnow]

While nobody knows for sure, 10.2 is likely the last major patch of DF. There’s a lot of evidence pointing toward that being the case rather than against it

[harsh mason]

It is doubly funny to watch how some people show with all their appearance that they do not believe in these leaks and make fun of them, but at the same time: oh no, there is an infinite rune and a mount for ach

[pulsar minnow]

Devs have refused to state whether or not it’s the last major patch, but have gone on to say that it’s “not the end of the story” implying that we could still get story content in a .5 or .7 patch

It’s all a matter of “wait and see” but in this case I would definitely agree now that 10.2 is shaping up to be our last major patch

It’s not an irrational assumption

[deep pawn]

I'll admit I have been worried about the outcome for a few months now. I wanted PTR in August for first week of October release cause I felt there wasn't time for a post Blizzcon 10.2 and a 10.3

[harsh mason]

You understand that for most ppl patches 0.5 and 0.7 are not perceived as patches( there is only a new raid)? In fact, there is literally a drama now because of the rune (and I'm not exaggerating). This is for me the craziest thing that happened in the wow community

[deep pawn]

Because people would be rightfully upset they made this expansion the most expensive ever and delivered less raid content than WoD

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t care. People are free to think the way they want to about .5 and .7 patches

[harsh mason]

That is, literally people ridiculed leaks, but threw a tantrum because of the rune and mount. That is all

[deep pawn]

There's a difference between leaks and stuff datamined on ptr

[harsh mason]

I won't even take it seriously, sorry.

It is jealous to compare with WoD (and it is said that less)- it's not funny anymore

[deep pawn]

That's fine, you get to feel that way just like others can be upset at the possibilty this expansion has just 26 raid bosses.

[harsh mason]

But I'm not surprised

[harsh mason]

You've already started to count bosses. Well, someone will say that I'm exaggerating?

[pulsar minnow]

Look I’m disappointed that we’re not getting another raid tier with this expansion. It doesn’t feel great. Dragonflight has had its flaws but even still, it did a lot of good work for the game and I’m content with it being how it is

Honestly what determines whether or not I’m angry about it only going to 10.2.7 is whether or not the next expansion is good

If the next expansion just sucks? Yeah it’ll feel bad

If we get the next expansion soon with little to no content drought and it’s good? Heck yeah

[deep pawn]

I think I could settle for a July/August release with a lower price tag if 3 raid tiers an expansion will be the norm from here out.

But if it's Fall or Winter 2024?

[harsh mason]

Okay, I'm tired of writing something here. I realized that it is very difficult to distinguish between facts and my fictional theories. Okay, this is the last patch because there used to be an infinite rune and achievements mount in the last patch. Don't forget to predict the future by the stars next time

[ember blaze]

Why not

If that’s how it has followed previously

Not to say it confirms it, but it’s not that crazy to assume

[upper pasture]

there's no point of being upset until that has come to pass tho.

[ember blaze]

I’m upset there’s no refund

$70 expansion

[upper pasture]

like Tiridan said (and i've said before) if 10.2 is the last major patch and there's no content drought leading into 11.0 who cares?

i mean, there was a $40 version you just chose to buy the deluxe bundle

[deep pawn]

was $50 this expac

That's the whole deal behind most expensive expac so far

[upper pasture]

wow no way inflation on games when literally every other platform ALSO had a 10$ price hike this fiscal year too?

[rain cave]

Actiblizz said they're going to start adding things to gamepass in 2024, it's not unreasonable to assume they're going to try out monetization schemes before then

Is also something to take into account

For example, let's go to the extreme end of the spectrum for discussion sake. Things we don't thing are going to happen at least this blizzcon.

[deep pawn]

console WoW

[rain cave]

The subscription model changes to a bonus membership, with the expansions going to the only purchase and being on gamepass, with the membership included with the gamepass

Tenders and tmog hit the store

[pulsar minnow]

DF being $50 honestly doesn't bother me as much to be honest

That's standard for an expansion, and to be fair this expansion added a LOT

[rain cave]

Same

Sl felt like less value

Quantity =/= quality

[deep pawn]

I played SL more haha, I had alts for covenant stuff

[pulsar minnow]

Dragonriding, Dracthyr, Evoker, Talent Rework, Crafting Rework, Gearing Rework, UI Overhaul being the main features? Sure as hell better than covenants

[rain cave]

Df has introduced a lot of high quality comprehensive stuff

New stuff

Rather than the same legendary effects as new borrowed power for 3 expansions

[pulsar minnow]

I'd rather pay $50 for an expansion that adds features that continue to stay in the game rather than 50$ for an expansion whose main features include a damn shitty necklace that replaces tier sets by making me waste my own time grinding the same bosses I already fought

No offense to BFA tho, I loved 8.2

[rain cave]

Even if they were things they had before it still takes effort to revamp back into tier sets and old talents especially when adding in a new class on top of that

With the new design philosophy they appear to have

Not defending them by saying we should foot the bill for their bad calls

Or whatever

But it's long been talked about how a revamp could cost an expansion or something

Df may literally be half of that revamp

[pulsar minnow]

I honestly wouldn't doubt it

[rain cave]

And they had to sacrifice sl and part of df to get that

Though one of those due to unfortunate circumstance

Perhaps

The systems revamped in df, then more next xpac

[deep pawn]

I know talents took a lot of time for the combat devs, but they don't design encounters or artwork

[warm topaz]

i think 11.0 is going to be a banger expansion

i have that feeling

[thin warren]

That would be cool that we get a new expansion earlier

[austere gazelle]

What about a full underground expansion ?

You will follow him to the deep places ( iridikron ?) , the black water will flows in his wakes

Imagine an expansion centered around the maelstrom, with some magic removing the water from it and the rift being wide open to the skies, and the many zones being accessibles through tunnels on the sides of the Rift, the storm still being there and us having to stormride between one side of the rift to another

[warm topaz]

i think the art and music team can make a full underground expansion (what i think is unlikely) an art piece

[austere gazelle]

What worries me about a full underground expansion is that the dev do not want to make something that got a single thematic and wants differents biome, so it will have some surface area and maybe some underground cave with virtual titanic forged skybox

[rain cave]

If we're underground or there's a heavy feature of underground, I'd wonder if the nerubians will be there

Since their tunnels are crazy

Could be an offshoot of them in this new place already, who blocked themselves off after the lich King started massacring and raising the others

[warm topaz]

i feel like a mix of old familiar faces and new cultures would be great

ogres, dwarfs, vrykuls, nagas etc...

[dense plover]

I think we need a break from vrykul

We haven’t gone an expac without them since warlords

[deep pawn]

They were barely in DF

[warm topaz]

and Shadowlansd?

there were vyrkuls there?

[dense plover]

Helya

[pulsar minnow]

That’s a Titan Watcher? Not a vrykul

And tbf she was in the expansion for like 0.000002 seconds

[rain cave]

"I think we need a break from goblins
We haven't gone an expac without them since vanilla"

[silent urchin]

do all goblin players get banned for the expansion?

[little hound]

yes please ?

[dense plover]

There were a bunch of undead vrykul and the other NPCs involved in that stuff tho

[uncut vault]

Given the datamined pre-order mount is a stormrider and likely a gryphon, it’s extremely unlikely that the xpac will be 100% underground zones anyways

[dense plover]

We haven’t gone an expac where the vrykul and/or valarjar or the undead guys haven’t shown up since warlords

[uncut vault]

Kvaldir weren’t involved in any of Helya’s (very small) Shadowlands plots, they were just a random chance enemy in Torghast, similar to the random elementals

[dense plover]

But still - I’m not saying they’ve been super present, I’m just saying they’ve been present in some form from legion forward

[pulsar minnow]

I feel like the only race we truly need a break from is freaking Night Elves

They’ve been apart of major story beats in every single expansion since legion. Even major patches pseudo-centered on them

7.0 - 7.2.5
8.1 - 8.2
9.0 - 9.1 (if you’re night fae ofc)
10.2

It’s not necessarily a “bad thing” but yikes has it felt kind of weird as any of the other races hanging around Tyrande while she talks about night elf stuff

[tepid fiber]

Ugh, yeah, the elf focus gets exhausting

[uncut vault]

I don’t think having consistent focus is inherently an issue, the issue is when it’s basically just the same plot over and over and over across xpacs lol

Legion-BfA was fine because their use in each xpac was very different

But since BfA, we’ve been dealing with the same one plot about teldrassil this whole time lol

[pulsar minnow]

Agreed

Night elves are so much more than just a tree

It feels kinda shitty that they’ve just been reduced to “tree elves” as of late and not the badass Amazonian/Tarzan elves that orcs and trolls write horror stories about

They’ve been trying in recent times to bring that idea back, but it feels half assed

[austere gazelle]

If somehow the malestrom is cleared of its water and there is some undeground facilities and cave showing up , and the storm of the maelstrom is still there and we have to navigate through the Rift to the core of the world, the stormride will be useful

After all.. azshara, tidestone, etc...

We also know that the maelstrom was a core element of cataclysm , so a return there for an elemental xpack is fitting

[rain cave]

they dropped the new lofi thing but it seems quite random thematic wise

wonder if they're going to drop more with a horde and other themes as we approach blizzcon?

though that's a LOT of music so probably not

[deep pawn]

I wish I liked that style of music

[rain cave]

I like some of it but other times I get weary of it and think it's kind of just all the same

I reckon it's because it's just background noise, a lot of that style of music isn't really trying to make an artistic statement other than just sounding cool, which is fine and sometimes people like that. But with the remixes especially, sometimes it does just sound like hollow soundfont over a melody we've heard

[warm topaz]

i like to study with it

[deep pawn]

it's too distracting for me to be background noise

[deep pawn]

https://i.imgur.com/Z4kC6vW.jpg

[silent urchin]

Not exactly convinced. Pretty much all existing assets you can find and throw together

if they actually showed the carrack mount I might believe it

[deep pawn]

Unless it's Carrack Escort Guard and it's a mog set, but that wasn't datamined either

That said I don't think mog sets get acheivements tied to them right?

I'm not convinced either, it's just fun to chat about

in this case the 750 tenders for heroic was datamined back in August and stuff.

[dense plover]

Anyone could’ve made that

Very easy to pull all of those assets

The intentionality of not showing the next bit makes it look fake

The real leaks had actual images of art

[warm topaz]

I mean, yes, but that's not an indicator of anything.

[warm topaz]

someone in less than 10 mins is going to say is fake/AI

[upper pasture]

Lol but like really have they ever done a title not in a boarder?

[warm topaz]

it is never a bad time to innovate

[obtuse vine]

I suppose dragonflight

[pulsar minnow]

Dragonflight was VERY different. I could see them doing it again

[obtuse vine]

Yea

[upper pasture]

oh huh DF didn't have it?

[pulsar minnow]

One thing I’ll give this “leak” is that it at least gets the Warcraft font right

[warm topaz]

stormbreaker stonks

[rain cave]

was legit one of the reasons a lot of people thought the actual leak fro it was fake

[rain cave]

the thing with this is that the circle shape is not in the right position as other logos

I will say that it is remarkably consistent with that other 'leak' right above it

[deep pawn]

People called DF fake cause of no border

[rain cave]

that's what I just said ye

[deep pawn]

I'm thinking this is legit, new border, it's evocative of waves and shadows...

[rain cave]

if I had to nitpick

it would be the border not extending to the sides of the "World" and the O shape all the logo's have in the middle for the planet or something similar being too large/ in the wrong place

[deep pawn]

Another point in this one's favor is it looks like a 3d model like DF's logo too

[rain cave]

is it in the same post as this one?

or was this a seperate 'leak'

[ember blaze]

Stormbreaker confirmed

The sides remind me of azshara

[deep pawn]

I don't remember

I thought the guy posted just one imgur link but maybe it was 2

[deep pawn]

He posted both about 2 hours apart I think

[warm topaz]

where did the guy find the picture

[deep pawn]

Who knows, some guy just dropped random imgur links

Two posts only on mmoc

People are hyper fixating on the Carrack Escort thinking it's a mount. I think it's a mog set or weapon.

[rain cave]

could be a pet or toy as well

a back piece like DF

[deep pawn]

While a Carrack is a boat it doesn't mean the full phrase is a mount

[deep pawn]

bleh, so the preorder thingy uses the wrong font for SL and DF, but who knows

[plain violet]

I was seeing "carrack escort" and was wondering if it was Star Citizen... my bad !

[upper pasture]

Carrack are usually escort ships but we don’t know if this is say “carrack escort attire” or say maybe “carrack escort” the pet and it be a little boat that follows you around. What I’m interested in is if this is true and out new expansion is set with the seas in mind how are we gonna have “No pirates” eh?

[thin warren]

Yarrr mateys!

[upper pasture]

I wiill say the portal room with all the boxes and loose scrolls makes me feel like a explorer heavy expansion is coming especially since like that was what was so refreshing about the DIs

but i do ever so hope that we get housing of some type. my dream content.

[thin warren]

I don't know, it pulls people out of the world into their own little houses

so it makes the world emptier

[upper pasture]

i mean guild housing would encourge groups and who's to say you can't visit each others houses

also there still need to be reasons for us to come out of our houses too like don't put an AH in there and make crafting like it is in DF

the probelm with housing would be if we didn't need to leave them to do things.

[thin warren]

well, many people just stand or hop around in front of the AH and Bank-area in Valdrakken, i'm afraid those would be standing in their houses then

but maybe people would still stand their because of the AH and such, that's true

or maybe guildhousing only, not personal

[upper pasture]

i mean, if they are using the AH and you can't access that in your housing you wouldn't be

idk the way i see it is it would be content to decorate and invite people over to see your house. not really everyone's cup of tea but it's something that i feel like a good portion of a casual player base might engage with

you could tie group content rewards to it, ala heads of defeated raid bosses, be able to hang up weapons and that new mannequin model could be used to display different mogs all at once

then there's all the assets from each zone that could be turned into placeables.

easily turn a lot of content into something people could run again to get say rugs/chairs/tables for their house.

[thin warren]

hm

[upper pasture]

the ability to add a new profession even if it's just a secondary one. if they wanted to go the route of making where someone can learn to make said items and then craft them

it's just how much of a hassle that would be to create those systems

[thin warren]

mainly that

and resources put into making that, can't be put into another dungeon

or an extra event or such

[upper pasture]

idk, i feel like the community was pretty loud about wanting housing even so much i think one of the devs had made a comment about it. nothing too revealing of course but it was like "hey we want housing. Dev: well.....it's not coming in DF" so it wasn't really a no just a not right now

and what a better time than if we explore the other side of Azeroth than now to give us a tiny bit of land to play around with

[thin warren]

maybe! i'm not against it, but depending on how they give context to it or how they make it work, sure

[upper pasture]

either way 3 more weeks and we will likely know the setting of the next expansion

[thin warren]

can't wait!

[upper pasture]

i'm excited!

[austere gazelle]

In before Azeroth is a primordial world soul, something that predates even titans.

[upper pasture]

i mean, world souls exist before the titans so that's possible

[austere gazelle]

you will follow him to the deep place. The dark water will flows in his wake

she is not the last, but the first , drown her and you will see

[thin warren]

but who made the world souls

[upper pasture]

i'm not sure if they are "made" persay but they just exist

[pulsar minnow]

first ones made them i think - it would make sense

[thin warren]

the first ones we saw in the Shadowlands endame thingie?

[austere gazelle]

Other take : she was the first stuff to exist in the cosmos, created the primordial elements, who then , mixed between each others, gave birth to the early concepts of the cosmos forces we know

The firsts one then appears , subdued her and used her power to shape their framework

[pulsar minnow]

yes. basically wow's version of god

or as close to it as you can get

[upper pasture]

what if this is about Xal'atath and not Azeroth?

she's not the last of her people but merely the first and the expansion explores more of her people and whatever that may bring?

like whatever relic was taken from the past is used to bring the void to us and her reinforcements

[austere gazelle]

Well possible but unlikely , each of theses whispers are slowly coming together and are linked

her heart is a crater and we have filled it
at the hour of her third death it will usher in our coming
Deeper and deeper it roots will reach, welcoming our embrace

Deep we plumbed, seeking knowledge of THE WORLD Azeroth.__ Deeper still we delved, until our fate was inevitable__. Minds were shattered, my comrades ran screaming into the night.
We are all lost, to that terrible THING...
When IT awakens, you will know ETERNITY, and you will tremble!

[thin warren]

what are the first two deaths

[deep pawn]

Some speculated Sylvanas

[thin warren]

interesting, sometimes it's a bit hard to imagine the world of Warcraft without having reality playing in it, like that dwarves are made and the planet is shaped by Titans and such 😛

[uncut vault]

Third death is pretty unsubtly Alleria

Blizz hasn't been subtle or subversive about the old god whispers

they paint a very clear image or they mean nothing until painting a very clear image

ie: "king of diamonds" was just Magni, revealed by Azshara literally calling him the King of Diamonds

Alleria's directly had a "sometimes it feels like I've died twice!" line

[upper pasture]

one could also say it could still be Xal'atath assuming you count her deaths as 1. being imprisoned in the blade 2. the blade being destroyed at the N'zoth fight 3. this third coming death presuming she potentially drowns? idk man. i guess that's what's fun about speculation

that also assumes the blade was destroyed at the N'zoth fight too

[austere gazelle]

I could agree but there is also a line from Tyrande saying that this world has seen two major event and that she did not want to see a third or something like that ( about the sword )

[deep pawn]

Her third death would have to either be her son or her husband dying, but her husband ain't dying til he goes full Crusader

[rain cave]

Could also be azeroth :p

Stabbed by sarg, drained by jailer, then whatever happens next

[austere gazelle]

Sundering, Cataclysm, "Wounding" ?

[rain cave]

That as well ig

[pulsar minnow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/name-of-new-10-2-in-game-cinematic-hints-at-emerald-dream-story-finale-335490?webhook

Huh so that basically confirms it, not surprising

The Birth of Amirdrassil is going to cause another Embrace

That's how the dragons get their powers back

Happened Cataclysm to Kalecgos, it can happen now

[austere gazelle]

Called it last week 😄

Wondering how Vyranoth will be empowered though... Well, what power she will develop

The new moon , however, make me ponder... If Elune is an entity waxing and waning, could she grow, wither , fade and rebirth , like a plant, tree, or whatever ...?
Could this final hints at the rebirth of Elune herself... ? ( the New Moon )

[tepid fiber]

Find out next time on Speculation Ball Z

[rain cave]

friendship ;)

could be something to do with elements or some shit though

since if it's the tree empowering them/ elune there's no titan bias in what they are empowered as

but considering she's still just ice I don't see her being an aspect of elements

perhaps balance or something idk ;/

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1712939480150315263

[pulsar minnow]

The eclipse too 💀

What will even be the big end of raid moment then, the “what is to come” or “Argus in the sky”

[warm topaz]

i need that

[rain cave]

fyrakk will turn into a big burned out husk as he remembers the aspects bullying him when he was younger while he tries to tell them they won't survive what is to come

[ember blaze]

Embrace ?

[tepid fiber]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Embrace

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/Muffinus/status/1712957324304994533

[pulsar minnow]

An event capable of granting aspectral power to the dragons

happened to Kalec in Cataclysm

[pulsar minnow]

twitter isn't working right on mobile for me - is Muffinus leaving?

[warm topaz]

nope, just excited for the future

[pulsar minnow]

oh okay thank goodness lol

[deep pawn]

Who's Steve? Minecraft?

[ember blaze]

So why is it happening so soon

The link above says 430 years

[pulsar minnow]

Amirdrasil

Elune and the moon are linked and she has some sort of control over it

We saw her cause an eclipse when Teldrassil was burned and the Night Elves did the Night Warrior ritual

[deep pawn]

Also see Ysera's death

Of course magically moving the moon should cause a coastal calamity every time she does it but maybe she mitigates it somehow

[warm topaz]

yes ¿?

[rain cave]

The tree of life is vast, her crown reaching high and her roots sinking deep.
And you. Huntmaster, have only seen a few of her many branches.

this is so ominous

Q'onzu is definetly going to lead into some future story

willing to be they're going to be part of elune's domain of 'life'

even if they're not aligned directly with elune

"I am the harbinger of change. I am the reaper of consequence."

harbinger you say

[thin warren]

No date on patch yet? 😢

[warm topaz]

probably november 7

[thin warren]

SIGH

😄

[thin warren]

ruroh

[dense plover]

fake again

literally looks EXACTLY like the last one with the fake orc

[warm topaz]

its real

[dense plover]

it has the weird 2 ear thing

[warm topaz]

100%

[dense plover]

and no hands

[warm topaz]

you ll see

[dense plover]

dude

its exactly the same

[warm topaz]

dude i think is fake too

just

idk

its real lmao

[dense plover]

its too early

stop posting imgaes

none of them will be real until at earliest a week before

[subtle oar]

Tauk, my guy. Ya gotta stop believin in these things x3

[dense plover]

theres never been an image leak more than a weak before blizzcon

[warm topaz]

bro literally i see them on the internet and post them here

i dont believe any shit i see out there

[dense plover]

but dont tho

[sturdy badger]

.

[warm topaz]

it is funny to say that something that is clearly fake is real

[dense plover]

theyre fake

[dense plover]

no it isnt

[warm topaz]

i think it is

if you don't thats fine

wow related ofc

[sturdy badger]

No, it's rather annoying

[warm topaz]

well sorry for bother then

Okayge

[rain cave]

it's ok to post potential leak images

even if fake, and obviously so

gets conversation going, and allows us to understand why

[warm topaz]

nah but seriously now, sorry if it really bothers, it didn't give me that feeling

[warm topaz]

yeah totally thats why i post them

❤️

[rain cave]

if nothing else they're funny to look at because of how blatantly fake they are

been looking into the egyptian god Khonsu now that Q'onzu has been introduced and is perking ears

[thin warren]

i don't mind, Taukken

[rain cave]

moon god

[thin warren]

but it might give me some false anticipation somtimes 😢

[rain cave]

there's a lot of things here that can be mapped onto things in wow

obvious elune connections, embracer -> the embrace, causes the moon to shine, a traveller

also Khonsu is the son of the godess Mut, who is notable for her crown. Q'onzu talks about life as a 'her' and references her crown

if we map that onto the dad aswell, Amun, he merged with Ra to become a solar deity, but was also god of air originally. Not sure how that all merges together though.

[subtle oar]

[rain cave]

though you could argue that golganneth is lord of the skies, a titan of air

we already know the titans were interfering with life

and they've been teasing a deeper lore

so perhaps they're sowing the seeds with Q'onzu's presence as to whatever the fuck life is doing. In a lot of interesting ways, beyond what we've explicitly seen in PTR

[rain cave]

I'm just trying to dissect their inspirations and language to see what they could be teasing

even if things change, or it's not an exact map of real life inspiration

we can get a sense of direction

[worn crown]

I love your assumptions, TheBigSaint!

Love to think about WoW lore and its inspirations in RL "lore"

[lone mantle]

Golganneth possesses vast cosmic powers, including the ability to shape worlds, manipulate arcane energies, and create life.

[rain cave]

it says his title is 'the thunderer'

lord of skies and roaring oceans

[rain cave]

that's where I got the idea :p

[lone mantle]

His act of separating the waters from the land was a significant contribution to the world's shaping.

[rain cave]

damn that sounds like a lot of CHANGE

[rain cave]

if only there was some kind of teasing of storms, titans and life...

honestly golganneth is an oft forgotten titan in terms of ones people like discussing, I could see metzen kind of bringing him to the forefront in terms of exploring surrounding lore

[lone mantle]

I know of a constellar who manipulates the accursed tempests and aqueous elements to such an extent that it renders exoplanets such as Azeroth uninhabitable for mortal beings. Yet, there exist vast and resplendent underwater realms.

[rain cave]

so many keepers and titans have weird links to storms

Odyn, Ra, Thorim, Hodir, Golganneth

but Ra was empowered by Amanthul

[lone mantle]

And so was Odyn.

[novel rain]

Hello

[deep pawn]

I'm still fixated on the idea of a dangerous surface of storms outside of a few pockets of eco domes while the main expansion is zones underground and underwater

[deep pawn]

I love Blizzard. Once again the gear store leaks something. At least this is only the Hearthstone expansion

[vernal juniper]

are you sure?

https://i.vgy.me/yR3ZVh.png

[deep pawn]

That's not an expansion name like https://gear.blizzard.com/products/hstnmt0022-hearthstone-showdown-in-the-badlands-t-shirt

[vernal juniper]

yeah I know it is not an expantion name but

it is quite strange to have a illidan shirt, since it is out from the game since 2-4 years both classic and retail

[deep pawn]

Eh pretty sure they had Arthas shirts back in Legion and BfA

He's just an iconic character

[vernal juniper]

Also a deatwing shirt,

deathwing make sense for Cata classic

can be just a coincidence, whatever

[deep pawn]

There's a possibility Illidan returns, but it 100% requires the Titans and Sargeras too and I don't see them pulling that cord quite yet

[vernal juniper]

keep also in mind

its rumored to be a "what sword" removal expantion

so illidan can be back for it

[deep pawn]

I haven't seen that rumor nearly as much as Avaloren and Storms

[austere gazelle]

If we follow the pattern, we are in the " catalysm 2.0" era. First part was dragon, second part will be elements.
There was also the revamp and zone change in cataclysm. There is a possibility that we will return to a new, changed, maelstrom, which is, atm, the only zone we know with an endless storm above.
The other is the seas in the west and the east, but we have no logical reason yet to go there

[vernal juniper]

according to the looooong ago leak? wasn't void/light?

[austere gazelle]

No, the pattern is obvious atm, but we cant say its intended yet

[vernal juniper]

oh ok, according from the leak of 2017 it should be void

[vernal juniper]

there was a leak from reddit from 2017

taliesin did a video about it

but I can't find the video anymore, does they delete id?

found it

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/chinese-player-leak-100/1175223

you right, same line, elementals,

this is from 2017. idk from/when yours come

[austere gazelle]

From my brain xD

I made it like 10 days ago, I anticipate the 12.0 as a soft reboot for many stuff. No alliance / horde conflict but new continent, maybe a new faction, and world revamp and maybe housing and stuff

[rain cave]

Illidan returning doesn't 100% require the titans at the same time

He could come crashing back to the planet knocked out to warm us about the titans or some shit

[vernal juniper]

hs shirt has been takend down from gear store

[austere gazelle]

He can come back with Sargeras as buddy buddy helping Azeroth in a mode " Sargeras was right but he realised that there is other path to follow than burn everything, particularly when he'd learn that his legion was completely manipulated by Zovaal "

[warm topaz]

"Biggest announcement, however, likely will divide playerbase: "World of Warcraft" is becoming just "Warcraft""

what do you guys feel about WoW in the future becoming just Warcraft?

[subtle oar]

What?

[warm topaz]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2630723-Dragonflight-10-X-Patches-amp-11-0-Speculation-Thread/page1544?p=54256320&viewfull=1#post54256320

[rain cave]

speculation

[warm topaz]

yep

but is interesting

[rain cave]

I doubt they'd even change it

WoW is too iconic of a name

I'm not averse to them making a new warcraft game though

doesn't have to be a sequel

just get blizzard collabing with the age of empires team under microsoft and release a warcraft 4 that has famous battles from throughout warcraft history

[silent urchin]

I can see them trying to do a rebrand for all of wow/hearthstone/rumble/whatever as "warcraft", but not wow on its own

[rain cave]

army of the light vs legion campaign, war of the ancients campaign

draenei vs orcs

maybe even bring in some of the stories from WoW

[subtle oar]

Lol, this one is just completely silly

[pulsar minnow]

Guardians of the Dream Arrives November 7th

[vernal juniper]

??

[silent urchin]

https://fxtwitter.com/Warcraft/status/1713947921169756194

[pulsar minnow]

That key art… fucking awesome

Seeing all the aspects together again

[rain cave]

well

apart from ysera

for some reason

[vernal juniper]

wait wat

[rain cave]

blizz fr just forgor ysera exists

[vernal juniper]

bg blitz its just a brawl?

its not rated?

[cosmic beacon]

So rwf will start a week later as it was speculated

it’s a brawl for now

Like how shuffle was a brawl

[vernal juniper]

damn

[rain cave]

also nozdormu has his scythe

first time we're seeing that?

[cosmic beacon]

Gives them a season to figure out problems, making it properly cross faction etc

[rain cave]

Ik it was datamined but

[vernal juniper]

looks like a final patch art

[rain cave]

where's ysera at is she just not in this patch for some reason

[pulsar minnow]

She’s not an aspect anymore

[rain cave]

neither's tyrande

in fact tyrande was never an aspet

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but it makes sense - it’s the new night elf home

Ofc she’d be alongside the aspects here

[rain cave]

but it doesn't make sense for ysera who was the green aspect and is heavily HEAVILY tied to the dream

and should be core it its storyline since they must have brought her back for some reason

just a bit strange

[pulsar minnow]

Her story was mainly going “hey Merithra here’s how you lead” but I do agree it’s really freaking weird they put her in the key art and gave her a unique model and not Merithra

[rain cave]

they've done fuck all with ysera this xpac despite yeeting malfurion into MIA status to do it

has she even talked to the other aspects

[pulsar minnow]

At this point it feels more like they yeeted malfurion just to set up future story for him and not Ysera

[austere gazelle]

she's an aspect of Wrath xD

[pulsar minnow]

No 💀

In the new patch she does a bit

[rain cave]

or it's an excuse so they can make him not talk to illidan again for a whole xpac when he comes back

xd

[austere gazelle]

They told he'll undergo a journey like Persephone... And Persephone tale involved Hecate which is the equivalent of Elune in WoW so, there might be some stuff with Tyrande helped by Elune to snatch Malfurion back somehow

[rain cave]

since when is elune hecate

huh

[austere gazelle]

She's the inspiration behind

[rain cave]

I mean yeah they're both moon gods but

I feel like it's jumping the gun to assume random greek mythology connections

[austere gazelle]

not at all. When you dig into it it's far from random

[rain cave]

it's the first time I've heard of calling elune hecate and assuming perseophone ties

like

ever

to me Elune's always been quite enigmatic in terms of inspiration

[pulsar minnow]

Dawg I thing you’re looking WAAAAY too far into it 💀

[rain cave]

Q'onzu is the closest thing we've had to some real life inspiration behind her lore

as far as I know

[austere gazelle]

She is variously associated with crossroads, entrance-ways, night, light, magic, protection from witchcraft, the Moon, knowledge of herbs and poisonous plants, graves, ghosts, necromancy, and sorcery.

• Elune is connected to several cosmic forces, not only life, involving death and stuff.

she was also regarded with (some) rulership over earth, sea, and sky,

• Elune got connection to Wind and sea in the earthmother tale

Hecate is referenced as the Triple godess wearing different faces. Tyrande call the " night warrior " the " Darkest Face of Elune "

and there are many many more link

Not going into the details there, but go look for it, you"ll figure it

[rain cave]

could literally be something as simple as, malfurions VA was busy or the writers couldn't find a way to not overcrowd the story with his presence with the NE stuff, and originally Ysera was just going to support as an image or spirit communing from the SL

[austere gazelle]

I'm not inventing the Persephone stuff though, it was Danuser quote

[rain cave]

whack

[austere gazelle]

I'm not digging to deep, it's litteraly what was told us

[rain cave]

fair

mans got sources

[austere gazelle]

( you have more here => https://www.wowhead.com/news/a-bargain-for-ysera-steve-danuser-clarifies-how-it-would-work-story-spoilers-330009 )

[rain cave]

the full art

glowing eyes, so hot right now

[thin warren]

pewpew

[warm topaz]

new wallpaper ^^

[deep pawn]

Oh man, the most expected date of all time haha

[tulip sun]

Is that official art??

[rain cave]

Ye

[silent urchin]

It was the background for the date announcement image

should be up on the press centre at some point

[deep pawn]

The creator of Stormbreak came clean, for using AI and Photoshop touchup I'm amazed how realistic it looked.

It even looked 3d

[rain cave]

Which one

There were a couple storm breaks

[deep pawn]

Stormbreaker logo specifically

[austere gazelle]

there was this one, too

[subtle oar]

Fake. Peach already talked about it

[austere gazelle]

ofc it is, just to show that it cam in different shape or form

[deep pawn]

Was same guy, he uploaded his originala