beta-ptr-spoilers

[upper pasture]

It’s almost as if there’s a new pace

[subtle oar]

💯

[deep pawn]

You truly think they can deliver a full raid patch in May and an expac in October, it ain't happening.

[upper pasture]

I mean if S4 is a fated type season ofc they can

[subtle oar]

Its so weird, I used to be the Doomer and Kyle was more upbeat, now he's the Doomer (And with little to no evidence) and I'm the more upbeat one

[deep pawn]

FATED is not new content

[pulsar minnow]

Fated is still fun tho tbh

[upper pasture]

But it IS content. Not the same stuff for a whole year.

[deep pawn]

It was

[upper pasture]

New seasonal stuff to earn

[pulsar minnow]

Obv a new raid is ideal but I got no problem running VOTI bc that was a fucking awesome raid

But that’s not a drought.

[deep pawn]

Let it be fated for 6 months, I'll just be playing Dawntrail

[pulsar minnow]

Cool?

[upper pasture]

Okay and?

[deep pawn]

I'm just saying no 4th raid announced at Blizzcon and a late next year expac will fall so flat

[pulsar minnow]

Like dude I’m sorry I 100% get what you mean

I’m very disappointed in no 10.3

[subtle oar]

Yeah no.

[pulsar minnow]

That said, a fated season is definitely not a lack of content

I’d much rather have a fated season than nothing at all

[warm topaz]

even if 11.0 comes out on summer 2024?

[pulsar minnow]

And if it means the expansion comes sooner, fuck it why not

[pulsar minnow]

Not the end of the world

Not ideal no

But hey not the worst

Content is content

[upper pasture]

IF 11.0 is coming out in summer 2024 we prolly won’t get anything past 10.2. I’d believe that as long as we’re talking early summer and not being pushed back into fall

Cause we’d get prepatch and just coast into 11.0 but I don’t think we’re seeing 11.0 until late 2024 to keep with the 2 years an expansion

[deep pawn]

Here's hoping there's a full 2024 roadmap, but I'm expecting not much right now which is typical for expansion years.

Even legion was primarily done in it's first year.

[dense plover]

i bet we get one with blizzcon

[upper pasture]

It’s highly likely

I don’t see why they wouldn’t. We’ve been eating up the current one

[deep pawn]

And if it just has 2 small lore patches with 10.2.7 being fated for 6 months?

[upper pasture]

But it likely won’t be that, what other holidays need refreshing? Plus at the end of the roadmap they get to put the next expansion and the prepatch that’s already like 1/4 of it

Like please stop being such a doomer about it

Look at the possibilities of good things and not just “oh well I don’t consider that content so it’s not content”

[pulsar minnow]

look - Shadowlands to DF was the shortest content drought they've ever pulled off

Remember when DF's release date was announced and everyone was saying it'd be rushed? They've proven they can do a fast turn-around

[upper pasture]

we could get more lore on races

and more race/class combos in there

[pulsar minnow]

^

heck maybe even a new race with pre-order

[upper pasture]

heck maybe even new allied races

we don't know

[pulsar minnow]

Maybe I'm high on hopium since DF has been pretty decent (literally my only complaint being a lack of dragons beating each other up, that's nothing), but I think Blizz may actually for once know what they're doing here.

[warm topaz]

what you mean

[pulsar minnow]

I can't believe i said that tbh

when it comes to no 10.3

and the content drought

I think they can manage it and release an expansion with not a lot of dead time

[deep pawn]

Maybe I'm just not enjoying patches with 5 minutes of story and done.

I'd rather have patches with big story at a time

10.1.7 was particularly disappointing

[pulsar minnow]

im pretty sure everyone wants that.

that said, what we're getting isn't half bad

assuming they release the expansion similarly fast

[upper pasture]

You can’t get big patches fast lol

[deep pawn]

We're getting no depth in the main story and everything feels shallow as a result

[pulsar minnow]

I agree the main story has felt shallow. I do wonder why they opted to end this expansion early

[upper pasture]

I don’t get it, you don’t want a “drought” of content but you don’t want little patches cause you’d much rather have all of it at once?

[deep pawn]

The only patch story I felt was good so far was the blue quest and that was one devs personal passion project

[pulsar minnow]

I think he means he wants the legion model of just x.1, x.1.5, x.2

[upper pasture]

Wdym, personally I loved every quest dealing with the bronze flight and I’ve loved all the Evoker quests

That’s just personal preference

[pulsar minnow]

I think at the end of the day, Dragonflight was a soft reboot for WoW

they're trying to set up the next "era" of the game, introducing new plot threads and character motivations

The dragons have shifted away from the titans, the "one true timeline" is a farce, Xal'atath is unleashed, the elemental lords are tired of their imprisonment now that everyone is moving away from the titans, Iridikron is out there, the Nightsquall is doing whatever he's doing

You get the idea

And, while I would've preferred more, I'm happy seeing DF as a nice fresh start for the game, even if it means it's cut short - its story will continue into next expansion

thats my two cents at least, idk if yall agree

[deep pawn]

They really needed to add 2 more dungeons to season 3.

[pulsar minnow]

Out of curiosity, does anyone have an idea what this could be?

"Lil' Maggz"

there's also a Lil' Frostwing

[upper pasture]

prolly a battle pet of malygos?

idk why it would be him

but that's what maggz makes me think of

[pulsar minnow]

Got me thinking of Magtheridon but that couldn't be right

There's also Squally and Fyrn

[upper pasture]

we could also go with the theory that they are placeholders

[pulsar minnow]

Squally makes me think it's like a small stormrider gryphon. Squall being associated with storms

[dense plover]

Could be rumble related pets

not connected to the expac

[pulsar minnow]

good point!

just had another realization

If these dwarves fled from the titanforged, maybe they put up an artificial storm using the elements

That's why the other side of azeroth has that massive storm that nobody has been able to get past

[short prism]

magni

dwarf expansion so— probably magni

[short prism]

my thoughts on squally was a parrot themed/for nightsquall :3

[pulsar minnow]

I can imagine the nightsquall is how we get to the new continent

It's all lining up 😮

[dull sand]

Sul'raka (for hunters)

[deep pawn]

Falstad's been hanging out in Ohn'ara all expac apparently

But so far the only storm dwarves we know of are the Wildhammer Grpyhonriders

[short prism]

my guess for the main four zones of the next expac is gonna be: new dwarves, nightsquall/new journey/land breaking on this new continent, something with gnomes and last, probably something sea-based

[deep pawn]

Stormrider could be a shaman spec too but man that feels weird for two lightning specs

[pulsar minnow]

i think we're looking too deep into "stormrider" at this point

I think it's just a way to say gryphon and make it sound cooler

Something interesting: "A contingent of earthen was sent by the titan keepers to investigate a geological anomaly in a fissure detected on Sector AR-938. In time, these earthen begun to display behaviors similar to those who had fallen under the influence of the flesh, despite being separated by a great distance and sharing no cultural ties whatsoever"

[short prism]

this

[pulsar minnow]

A geological anomaly.... A fissure?

Now I don't wanna go crazy with speculation, but I will. Look we know that in DF they confirmed a 5th old god

they live in the earth. These dwarves get sent to investigate the deep places of the earth, and get corrupted? That's super weird.

[short prism]

there’s gotta be something void y at play when we go to khaz algar

[fiery island]

FUCKING DWARF EXPANSION HELL YEA SUCK IT

https://tenor.com/view/ironfoot-ring-pig-swine-charge-gif-22227628

[short prism]

i knew you could do it

we deserve this

[fiery island]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hobbit-gif-19243667

I WAS BORN FOR THIS

MY SON SHALL WATCH FROM THE PLAY PEN IN AWE AT MY GLORY

TO KHAZ ALGAR

[autumn dagger]

is there no room for khaz algar being the 10.3?

[deep pawn]

not if it's the expac mount

[autumn dagger]

oh i see it's the heroic edition bonus

sounds a bit small of a concept for an expansion but 🤷‍♂️

[deep pawn]

it's probably just one part

Not like Kul Tiras and Zandalar was the entirety of patch content for BfA

[autumn dagger]

right, we'll see

[dense plover]

what are the chances the dwarf stuff is just 10.3

and the promo mount thing is just blizzcon and not 11.0 related?

[upper pasture]

honestly id laugh if we get 10.3 announcement at blizzcon

[uncut vault]

the achievement line is specifically for an expansion pre-order heroic edition mount

So it's possible, but I don't think we've ever had an xpac pre-order mount like that

[thin warren]

what are the Nightsquall? 😮

and yes, as a dwarf-fan, i wouldn't mind a dwarf-expansion!

[harsh mason]

This "magnificent" period begins when people build theories and then they themselves begin to believe in their theories. Until you see or hear confirmation from the developers yourself (whether it's the 11.0 theme or patches 10.2.5/10.2.7/10.3 )-these are all theories, just theories.

[austere gazelle]

It wont be a dwarf expansion but an elemental one. Dwarf being a part of it
We got two mysterious
mount.

A named one with visual texture
A unnamed one with a visual ( the elemental )

Its also possible that kaz Algar will be revealed on later patch and will serve as a crossing bridge to the other xpack

[thin warren]

truetrue, all possible

[austere gazelle]

This one got a crown that could be... elune-inspired...

[molten niche]

Thats the blizzcon mount lol

[deep pawn]

The idea of all storms on the other side has me a bit wary

Or even Storms across all of Azeroth

Feels a bit on brand for some of their recent world events. "Fight back the Void Storm!"

[austere gazelle]

And ? Storm, blizzard, etc they might have made some play on thematic here xD

[young latch]

Looks like modernized vortex pinnacle to me

[deep pawn]

it's a reskin of the jaina/SL m+ mounts

[austere gazelle]

With moon shaped figures on it, and all the left side is broken

[young latch]

With all the new desert stuff might be aqir revamp

I just want a quelthalas/gilneas expansion bleh

[austere gazelle]

well maybe this will be an " all underground" expansion with different biome inside and the long awaited Azjol nerub part

[deep pawn]

if it's surface storms and the rest is underground, I really don't know haha

It's funny seeing all the "Dwarves and Elements? I'm out" posts

[harsh mason]

This is a frost elemental from DF in armor

[austere gazelle]

we're going to the ~~proto ~~ primal elemental territory anyway xD

[warm topaz]

now the update version of the ironforge guard make sense

[austere gazelle]

Gotta figure what concerns the last line of the naga prophecy now

" A dark heart left broken awaits the taking "

[harsh mason]

Well, hunger lost is exactly 10.1.5. Dark heart is... what?

The thing he filled with the essence of Galakrond?

We still haven't found out what this thing is (the earners in an interview after the release of 10.1.5 said that we will find out more). Personally, I don't see a world in which such an important moment they will revelation in next exp, not in Df

[austere gazelle]

no that the ' hunger lost to the ages that will be reclaimed ' Iridikron said the same exact line during Dawn of the Infinites

Dark Heart is something we don't know yet.
The only thing that comes to mind atm is the Heart of An'she, struck by Darkness

[harsh mason]

Well, yes, I wrote about 10.1.5

[rain cave]

storms can be many things keep in mind

[rain cave]

dark heart thicket was something in the emerald dream

end of storm -> 10.0
secrets he buried -> 10.1
Hunger lost to the ages -> 10.1.5
dark heart left broken -> 10.2

emerald dream also having a place called darkheart thicket

could be a link

just a question of what that could mean

I mean specifically darkheart thicket is just emerald nightmare leakage into the world right

perhaps the rift of aln could come back?

trying to think of potential characters who could fit the dark heart thing. I mean it could be something like fyrakk has absorbed the shadowflame influence, and has just taken it to the heart of the dream, so when he dies somebody can claim it

[fiery island]

knife ear detected

[young latch]

Definitely hoping for some more variety this time

I don’t like it when expansions are just one aesthetic

Or one thematic thing

[rain cave]

speaking of darkheart thicket it's in the M+ rotation next patch right

[pulsar minnow]

We know what it is already. Iridikron told us

It’s the world soul of the planet, the heart of the planet

He’s trying to take it from the titans

Deny them their final prize and all that

[harsh mason]

That's what I think too: the Titans need Azeroth (titan), that's why they took care of the planet.

They are not interested in what will happen to the population of this planet

That's why he says that even if Fyrakk makes an apocalypse, they won't care

[rain cave]

that could work yeah

it would make sense if Azeroth is basically on life support at this point

3 expansions in a row she's been directly attacked

the hints at start of DF kind of point to her reacting to that

but then I'm curious about the timeskip

from what I've seen:
-Titans want azeroth uncorrupted, and influenced by them.
-Azeroth has been attacked multiple times, stabbed by sarg, nearly corrupted by n'zoth, drained by zovaal
-After SL, azeroth seems to awaken in some other way than before, triggering the dragon isles to open up again as the elements also intensify.
-Part of this turning on of the dragon isles also involved re-igniting tyrholds beacon that shines what looks like light/order magic down into the halls of infusion

-Also, kickstarted tyr's revival. Who was the one in charge of infusion, order influence relating to native races ig

in my mind that immediately jumps to something akin to a titan failsafe upon realizing azeroth's worldsoul is not quite order aligned anymore

She's getting more and more active, awakening her elements. So tyrhold + tyr's plan kicks in to try and infuse her back to order

my question is what happened in the years between SL and DF

[harsh mason]

I too am curious as to what exactly caused the soul of Azeroth to begin to awaken. Maybe it's just the timing, but I doubt it

And if I understand correctly, this thing is the same artefact he took from Neltarion's vault (it had Aberrus' coordinates on it). Could it be an analogue to the Heart of Azeroth, lol( like we had in Bfa)?

[upper pasture]

Wasn’t it whatever that thing was in the jailer fight? Like the partial power up of that machine lead to the reawakening of Azeroth?

[harsh mason]

According to the description of the battle, he used these mechanisms to draw vital energy from her. But yes, exactly, I remembered that Azeroth "helps" us in battle,

Maybe it woke her up

But it is obvious that this must be a long process

Like, the activity of the elementals will begin first, and so on

[austere gazelle]

It's neither of it, it was already planned 10k years ago....
Dragon isles coming back to dragons eyes " during the awakening of the lands " as per the intro cinematic of DF. It was the condition for all the construct to awakens again, apparently. What does it means at this point... 🤷

The cinematic continues with " the world is healing, but her fate is uncertain "

Either Nozdormu planned it all but forgot, or there is some unexplained dragon stuff

[warm topaz]

something is happening with Blizz and CCs next week

[thin warren]

CC?

Crowd Control? :p

[subtle oar]

Huh?

[warm topaz]

lol sorry

content creator

lmao

[dense plover]

source?

cant imagine pre-blizzcon stuff

[warm topaz]

is not blizzcon related

[dense plover]

maybe 10.2 stuff or 10.3 preview?

or warcraft rumble

probably rumble

[warm topaz]

a lot of tweets of MrGm

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm topaz]

like a spanish content creator that i follow is going there too

[warm topaz]

we don't know anything but, maybe is what you said

[deep pawn]

EU get cooler events

[rain cave]

No but we don't know what triggered it

[deep pawn]

Remember when they got the castle stuff?

[rain cave]

That's my point

We know that the land awakening was the reason

We don't know what caused the land to awaken

[deep pawn]

I doubt the EU event will be that spoilery so close to Blizzcon

[rain cave]

Because the dragon Isles opening were not directly caused by the lands awakening

The land awakening caused the constructs to awaken after sensing it, it was their job to open the way back

I'm seeing "the world is healing" being linked to the elements awakening. Literally azeroth trying to scab her wounds, the elements and magic like blood cells trying to recuperate and expel foreign influence

After sensing this response, perhaps tyrholds core plan is effectively an autoimmune blocker of sorts

Calm that response down so they can pump in their own medicine

[deep pawn]

5 weeks out though we're getting very close to when Blizzard sends out media packs

[deep pawn]

I'm still giggling a bit at that one content creator who said Wowhead and mmoc shouldn't cover blizzard leaks

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/themattlondon/status/1708174009224085994?t=KxyueYnYamtdzQz5xQ8OZQ&s=33

Matt London (@themattlondon)

What are the biggest unsolved mysteries in Blizzard games lore? What unanswered questions are still out there? Warcraft, Starcraft, Diablo, Overwatch, Lost Vikings?

Twitter · Sep 30, 2023, 5:36 PM

what would you guys say?

[harsh mason]

Where did disappear the famous demons (such as Lord Jaraxxus), who were summoned by Guldan in the legion prepatch on the broken shore?

[austere gazelle]

they fled xD

Jaraxxus might be stuck in a tavern playing hearthstone if we stick to Hearthstone lore ( which is not canon )

[upper pasture]

Honestly my biggest question would be. “What sword?”

[deep pawn]

Odd question for the survival game guy to ask

Hope it's not just a roundabout way to ask "What's on the other side of Azeroth"

[austere gazelle]

Anyway next expansion can't be thematised around " just dwarves " or " underground "

If its elemental themed, then we gonna see again the four type of elemental landscape with some underground facilities or main hub, but this time connected in a meaningful way, not like Cataclysm ( I'd say not even the four type, but the sixth. We will maybe have a glimpse of Spirit elemental, and Decay, a way to bring back the Decatriarch that vanished )

[thin warren]

Decaytriawho?

[austere gazelle]

Final boss of Brackenhide Hollow ( it's DECAtriarch, my bad )

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=186121/decatriarch-wratheye

[thin warren]

oh 😄

[silent urchin]

They better say merely a setback whenever they reappear

[austere gazelle]

I hope blizzard will do this elemental xpack but this time not forgetting the two missing one. Maybe there is a Spirit elemental Lord and a Decay Elemental lord. As to why they were never mentionned before, nor imprisonned, its a whole other story
( for the spirit one there is an explanation, for the decay one though... )

[thin warren]

we need to face the voidlords first!

[austere gazelle]

Not at all. And we will never have an expack related to " just void " , void lord will be in a special patch, like titans, and black empire. they've explained they want a diversity in expansion and " black empire " or " emerald dream " will never be expansion but content patch because on an expansion scale it'll be boring

[thin warren]

ahah

[harsh mason]

Not necessarily, if we ever meet them, it will be like with titatans/eternals.

[warm topaz]

i think he was joking

lol

[thin warren]

why :p they are the big evil thingies

at the moment we never saw a void lord yet

[harsh mason]

It has already been said 100,000 times that there is no good or evil within the cosmic forces. Each of the forces strives to elevate itself above the others (thus maintaining balance).

[thin warren]

ok, they are not "evil" then, but we still didn't saw them yet

[harsh mason]

Titans restore order on some planets, old gods desecrate other planets (this is an example).

We haven't seen a lot. Haven't seen the "gods" from life reality

[thin warren]

well from the holy part we saw Naaru

[harsh mason]

We may not meet them at all, they will remain behind the scenes

[austere gazelle]

we barely saw them, and they are the equivalents of Old Gods, since apparently there are people behind them according to dreadlords " The Naarus and their Keepers "

[harsh mason]

Well, we have met analogues of Naaru from the void side

[thin warren]

oh?

[austere gazelle]

the Void Gods and stuff

[thin warren]

in the chart they put voidlords together with Naaru, an old god is lower on the chart

[deep pawn]

Given Naaru go void and aren't that powerful as void I'm not sold on them being void lord level

[thin warren]

Hmm, got a point

Or we didn't see their true power yet!

[light compass]

Naaru are not void lords XD

they are not nearly as powerfull enough to be one, i mean, a litteral fragment of an void lord in our reality crushed an entire planet

[glass flicker]

I'd say Naaru are equal-ish to Old Gods. But definitely not Void Lords, unless we're talking about Prime Naaru, which are still not that impressive. Illidan solo nuked one.

They're definitely powerful, but they're not Void Lord level. Consider that Void Lords are so powerful they can't even enter physical space, and are forced to fragment themselves into specks, the Old Gods, to be able to corrupt planets.

[subtle oar]

I wouldn't even put them on par with the Old Gods either

More like the Kithraxxi

[glass flicker]

We've never seen a Naaru unleash their power. They don't really fight.

They just kinda get destroyed every time they're even slightly important.

[subtle oar]

We have seen their power. It's no where near Void Lord or Old God lvls

I'd definitely say their are more like Light Kithraxxi

[glass flicker]

Kithraxxi are kinda equivalent to Loa, though, aren't they?

Maybe slightly stronger.

[subtle oar]

No.

Kithraxxi are the giant Old God generals

[glass flicker]

I'm just saying. Bwonsamdi did a pretty good job against Mythrax the Unraveler.

[subtle oar]

Thar wasn't bwonsamdi, that was the Sethrak LoA who sacrificed herself to imprison it.

[glass flicker]

So, you missed the Zuldazar cinematic.

[subtle oar]

Kithraxxi are on par with Titan Keepers

[subtle oar]

No

[harsh mason]

I think that forces in cosmos are not equivalent to each other. For example, the eternals are much weaker than the Titans (although they are equal in status). Zovaal was only strong because he learned how to control the magic of domination (that is, he was a cheater). Therefore, I do not think that it is possible to compare, for example, Naaru and the old gods (they may be of the same status, but not in strength and abilities)

This is just as an example

[upper lantern]

Naaru seem to be more on the level of titan keepers to me, with A'dal likely being the most powerful we've met so far. But their main role doesn't seem to be entering combat lines directly, but rather inspiring and buffing their allies

[subtle oar]

Titan Keepers and Kithraxxi are at the same relative lvl

[lone mantle]

It is pleasing to observe that the matter of Warcraft cosmology continues to be investigated.

[rain cave]

Perhaps if its an element expansion, its going to explore the basics

As in

We had primalists sure

But where do the elements come from?

What's the core from which they all branch

[glass flicker]

Well, I don't think we've encountered many elementals in Outland or Argus. Elements may only exist on planets where other sources of life already exist.

[rain cave]

Let me rephrase

Like

We can summon fire with arcane, fel

Ice with arcane, death

Etc

But what is the force that shamans channel, yes elements but what's behind that

The primal before of all elements

[subtle oar]

We actually did on Outland

We even quested for the Ourland Elemental Lords

[glass flicker]

I said many.

Nagrand always has been the elemental playground of Draenor.

[rain cave]

I mean if we look at other forces

there are representations in the titans, usually when they seek to control said force

aman'thul controls time, he set the plan to keep things in the true timeline. He limited the scope for time effectively

Eonar, life binder, keeps life in check.

Norgannon is "keeper of celestial magics" arcane

which is apparently for all intents and purposes, arcane

Golganneth is the "thunderer"

lord of skies and roaring ocean

that's pretty close to elements, and elements seem to actually be the hardest thing to contain

might explain why Khaz'goroth and Golganneth are the 2 elemental aligned ones it seems

need 2 titans to regulate elemental stuff, and even then it seems to not work

[thin warren]

Interesting

[rain cave]

I've actually wondered about this before but I'll propose it again. What if the prevailing perspective is actually wrong, as in

it's not the other forces clashing to form the middle

[thin warren]

😮 what! where?

[rain cave]

order, disorder, light, life, etc aren't the origins

what if it was actually reality that came first, and the chaos of it split off and eventually thinned into the distinct sections

that's why say, titans come from world souls, why everyone wants world souls

everything originates from reality. That's why mortals are so versatile

thoughts?

[pulsar minnow]

Well that’s basically what the Grimoire of the Shadowlands kinda said

[subtle oar]

Karesh, the homeworld of the Ethereals

[deep pawn]

The Shadowlands existed before mortals though

[pulsar minnow]

From my understanding, from what we learned in SL, the 7th cosmological force is the one that kind of balances them all together

It’s like Unity I guess

What are the odds Azeroth is a “unity” aligned being

Starting to seem like it more every day

[lone mantle]

Unity has been bestowed upon you as a gift of togetherness, mortals. Each individual you may harbor animosity towards possesses the potential to become your cherished comrade, enriching your expedition through the realm of Warcraft with indelible memories.

[thin warren]

can you also talk normal? :p

[lone mantle]

How do you define the term "normal"?

[thin warren]

Well, not like an encyclopedia

[warm topaz]

you saw the Stormbreak thing?

[thin warren]

😮 waaat

[warm topaz]

maybe is not real, but maybe it is

[thin warren]

no idea 😄

also a bit vague

[harsh mason]

Everything is possible. Personally, I'm sure it's fake, but the theme of the next exp will be close to this

[fiery island]

The more we can ignore any and all SL lore the better IMO

I'm good with straight ignoring it happened canonically

[pulsar minnow]

That is 100% fake

[warm topaz]

i think is fake too

[fiery island]

Psh knife ear propaganda. It's real

[warm topaz]

but people tought that the Alex art was fake too

[pulsar minnow]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/b/ba/Gryphon_and_Wyvern_WoW_Classic.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20200416003358

[warm topaz]

or the cinematic shot

[pulsar minnow]

The image already exists

Its just basic art for base world of Warcraft.

[fiery island]

That's not the same image

[pulsar minnow]

Ohhh

I thought it was

Nvm you’re right I looked closer

[fiery island]

Nah dude do a stare & compare lol

Knife ears cope, Dwarves rool, elves drool. We're making mountain kingdoms and you're not invited

I've been thinking, honestly Khaz Algar & it's Dwarves being a lead in to exploring Elemental Lords or the land across the Western Sea isn't a terrible play

Dwarves are kind of in right now, with Wind Rose & lots of memes abound

[pulsar minnow]

Dwarves are badass

I’d love to ride a gryphon around a Moria esque underground space

[fiery island]

Hell yea now we're talking

[pulsar minnow]

See usually I’d rule out that “leak” completely based on the logo. but I could totally see them going back to a classic style logo for the “20th anniversary expansion”

[austere gazelle]

not unity, Harmony.
And the new tree is called " Crown of Harmony "

[austere gazelle]

you can see the maelstrom under... 🤔

[pulsar minnow]

The leak is still really suspicious though. Something seems off about it

[lone mantle]

Unity is the essence of cosmic order, for it is through the harmonious convergence of elements that great design is achieved.

[austere gazelle]

possible, but we'll see. We had the same discussion about the Alex' pic for DF, which occured in the same setting

[rain cave]

despite this most likely being fake

it does make me think of an option we haven't considered

what if there's a classic+ expansion

[warm topaz]

i think is too early to speak about that

https://gyazo.com/4daa6d69c7d0e065376cef6199317c9f

[austere gazelle]

what if this would be a expansion for both classic and retail ? 😏 sounds wild , but...

[harsh mason]

Mmmm, event

If it's something like a twitch drop, then I KMS

[pulsar minnow]

welll the alex pic looked completely legit

[austere gazelle]

lots of ppl doubted it

[pulsar minnow]

just look at the logo of stormbreaker, or the png of the whole thing and compare it to the environment surrounding it

its higher resolution than its surroundings

[austere gazelle]

We'll see anyway 😭

Everything is fake until proven otherwise

Like the blue bolvar which people deemed fake :p

[pulsar minnow]

nah i never doubted for a second the bolvar image was fake

or the alexstrasza one

esp considering there was more to those leaks than just a random screenshot posted

again - df had the website, the mount

[pulsar minnow]

sl had the blizzard store leak with the bolvar image

[warm topaz]

another one

[austere gazelle]

Leak season anyway, like mariah carey ( the season, not the leak )

[subtle oar]

Another fake

[rain cave]

I think any leak that will turn out to be real will have a different border shape

Dragonflight has a unique border compared to any other expansion and it's dragon themed

Old xpacs used the old font/metal border

Not df

To me that indicates a new design standard for expansion logos

[mighty wolf]

why leaks are always like 360p?

[silent urchin]

easier to hide fakes

[ember blaze]

And get caught

[austere gazelle]

unless they're going for a classic throwback for the 20th anniversary

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1708935047145767132

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

Find out what comes next at BlizzCon!

Be There: https://t.co/nCaxCnWXLo

▶ Play video

Twitter · Oct 2, 2023, 8:00 PM

can someone tell me if this track is new?

i think so

[harsh mason]

Rather, it's just a track for this trailer, no more

[warm topaz]

why they would do that

compose a track for a mix of the DF cinematics

[uncut vault]

they do stock tracks for Blizzcon quite a lot

it sounds like the generic "hopeful orchestral lift" music they use for blizzcon trailers and montages

[rain cave]

yeah it's common to have like a general in-between and presentation kind of music

microsoft love doing it for showing off their games

[warm topaz]

oh i didn't know that

yeah is pretty "generic"

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah it’s a spin on one of the tracks they played at a previous blizzcon

[deep pawn]

Stormbreak would fit some of the other hints, and it'd fit the two expansion trend of two words as one

I'm very nervous about a storm aesthetic haha

"Our Next Adventure" does very much sound like DF is done outside of an epilogue

[thin warren]

Can't wait

[deep pawn]

I think if they do announce D4 2.0 at Blizzcon there's not much more than a name

They don't have a demo area on the floor

[harsh mason]

Do not look for double or triple meanings in their words. They just said that at blizzcon we will find out what will happen next

Moreover, Mike Ybarra said that wow will have the most news (then there will be something else besides the announcement of the new exp) https://x.com/qwik/status/1708912480658002266?s=46&t=JnHiP_kKibjOKbPmUfJMWQ

Mike Ybarra (@Qwik)

@SaltySlickrock It's just the way the team did the graphic. I understand your point. But Warcraft, and WoW, have the most news this year. We're excited to see you all!

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Twitter · Oct 2, 2023, 6:31 PM

[deep pawn]

We have classic news and retail, that's already enough to make it the most

[harsh mason]

Ok

[pulsar minnow]

I highly doubt Stormbreak will be the next expansion

Anyone think it’s a little suspicious that this leak “miraculously” comes out right after the Algarian Stormrider is found. And then rather than have… idk, some major character as the focal point of the key art- they choose a gryphon. The ONLY thing we know about this expansion?

That’s like putting the Tangled Dreamweaver on the key art for dragonflight and calling it “Dreamwalk” or something

Even more damning - the logo is using the wrong font.

Lesser known thing but WoW updated their font used on all promotional material with this expansion. Why would it revert with “Stormbreak” unless someone just copy pasted a logo, blurred it, then edited Stormbreak under it - because that’s what they did.

[deep pawn]

I do agree with that analysis, but it's just the pervasive storm imagery now that has me worried

[pulsar minnow]

What imagery have we had of storms tho? I know we’ve had the stormrider stuff

Kinda forgot tbh

[deep pawn]

around the same time as the mount was found we had global storm stuff show up as the main concept

[pulsar minnow]

Oh with the void storm leak stuff?

I think also a lot of leaks were just based on the mount name trying to make more of it than necessary

the only “storm” I could really see us dealing with is the one that’s preventing us from getting to the other side of Azeroth

[deep pawn]

I would personally hate it if 11.0 adds "Stormriding Mounts" as a way to redo the 10.0 starting experience of glyphs and everything again without us just taking our dragons and any newly unlocked dynamic mounts.

[silent urchin]

it feels like glyphs are going to be expansion specific

but hopefully they do roll some of them into baseline

[deep pawn]

It just sucks if that's how they do it, yank all your progress, lock you into another set of 4 mounts for a year.

[uncut vault]

take it with a grain of salt because it was from the start of the xpac but

dragonriding race stuff stops at 10.2.5, then jumps to 11.0

Plans could obviously have changed since then with more patches but it seems like the initial plan was for just two major patches

[fiery island]

@pulsar minnow Knife ears in full cope & seethe mode

DWARVES

https://tenor.com/view/belegar-ironhammer-total-war-warhammer-dwarfs-dwarf-clan-angrund-gif-15765006

[subtle oar]

Man, that new "leak" is just as fake as everything previous

[fiery island]

There are no leaks here, only quality Dwarfish craftsmanship

[deep pawn]

The EU event tomorrow likely has to do with the in game thing

MrGM tweeted about it

[rain cave]

Just because the xpac mount is a storm thing doesn't make the whole xpac storm themed

In WoD it was an arrakoa raven

Sl we had the wyrms

Which just ended up being inbetween flightmaster griffons basically

Yes bfa and legion had xpac thematic mounts, but really only for part of the launch patch theme

Or a smaller part of something big

Stormrider could literally just be a dragon riding + normal mount hybrid gryphon thing that one of the main levelling factions has in their stead

[dense plover]

fyi, definitely AI generated

got this from someone who knows this is an AI image, though its very impressive either way

[rain cave]

Don't zoom on his face

[upper pasture]

What face

[deep pawn]

that W lol

[uncut lintel]

any new cats

[vernal juniper]

squared picture is most likely AI

[austere gazelle]

Yeah there are exception though but it is indeed

[plain violet]

Amazing, indeed.

[vernal juniper]

What if they do a 1.5 year expantion 10.2 last patch and 11.0 coming in April

[harsh wedge]

That means at most 6 months of combined alpha & beta, if and only if the alpha start right after blizzcon, which while not that different from past ones seems like a bit rushed

Even if Dragonflight alpha & beta were short (alpha was mid july, dragonflight went out end of november), but who knows

[vernal juniper]

they have a demo playable at blizzcon I think it will be alpha

[harsh wedge]

The text explicitely talks about upcoming content for both dragonflight and classic, not for the next expansion

[vernal juniper]

well it says 10.2 patch

there

but here, https://i.vgy.me/gIrgJK.png

says demo

they only demo we got so far was for legion, demon hunter zone that I can recall

[tropic trail]

i’m pretty sure they had demos for bastion and nazmir in 2019 and 2017 (?) might be wrong tho

[silent urchin]

They had atal'dazar as a demo in 2017, for sure

[subtle oar]

If you read, it's says "Warcraft Rumble Demo"

[mighty wolf]

Red "WOW Demo"

[vernal juniper]

read where I highlighed it

[subtle oar]

That other demo is only classic and 10.2 as stated

[silent urchin]

there's no official announcement that an expansion even exists yet. They're not gonna put "expansion demo" on the map.

I do think it's unlikely to be playable, given it's likely a year away

[glass flicker]

I think the new expansion will be announced with the final raid, provided 10.2 isn't the final patch.

[harsh mason]

By the way, 10 hours ago there was a new vendor build 10.2, so maybe a new ptr build will be today

[vernal juniper]

frobably tomorrow

the latest 2 builds where on wen

[harsh mason]

You will never guess whether it will be 10.3 or not, focusing on this.

Because in the past the alpha of the new exp was also given to play on the blizzcon, it didn't mean anything

For example, dungeon runs in the bfa

[vernal juniper]

for me there is no 10.3

we can have a 10.2.5 with fated raids and new season, but I can't see a 10.3 with new tier

[harsh mason]

If blizzard doesn't say something about future exp/patches directly, then it's not even worth trying to guess. If they speak directly:(they always say, for example, if the raid is the last one), then this is the last raid. If they don't talk (ignoring direct questions), then something else is planned

[glass flicker]

I can see it, but not in good faith, since they'll add yet another new system that renders current ones useless.

Who cares about Dreamsurges if Superblooms will take the cake?

[harsh mason]

By the way, in the summer they said that there are always more bosses on their last raids, since the final raids last longer. There are 9 bosses in Amir

[glass flicker]

That one is fair.

Sepulcher had 14 bosses.

[harsh mason]

Those who did not buy a mount, pet and toy

[vernal juniper]

last DF raid has not last long

[harsh mason]

I mean, there were also 9 bosses in aberrus. If there were, for example, 10 or more bosses in Amir, then I would believe it

[glass flicker]

Pshyeah, like anyone who isn't a completionist would care. Everyone has a favorite mount, and I doubt it's a ground mount.

[harsh mason]

Hell, the question was in the context of why DF has fewer bosses in raids than SL. The answer was: there is no reason for this, it's just done that way, but there will be more of them in the final raid than in the previous ones

[glass flicker]

Aberrus has been received well, overall.

[glass flicker]

Why poorly develop twelve bosses when you can properly develop nine?

[fiery island]

Holy fuck that makes sense why I have an irrational hatred towards it. So many bosses and I absolutely detested the entire aesthetic of that raid

[glass flicker]

[fiery island]

First tier with tier sets in forever and shit looked sci-fi as hell. Sorry I thought I was playing Warcraft, not Starcraft

[glass flicker]

And just look at some of the designs.

Whoever created the Eternal Ones and fabricated reality did so with pixels.

It's almost like they're setting up the fourth wall as the final villain.

[harsh mason]

Bro, if you hate (because it's too strong a feeling) pixels, then there are problems

Well, as it is, the raid is better than Antorus (the closest similar raid on the subject)

[fiery island]

I was exaggerating bro lol

The point being I have no other thoughtful feedback on why I didn't like that raid beyond the theme being too far a departure from Fantasy

I wasn't a huge fan of Antorus or 7.3 either for that matter. Liked the story, raid, etc. Didn't like the space ships & space travel

[thin warren]

GOD i can't wait for Blizzcon

still a month

I might survive it

[harsh mason]

By the way, I just now realised one important point with Fyrakk: a lot of people expect him to be like Neltharion freaking out about SF, but it's not going to happen in the same way. Because he's a protodragon, and as we learnt from the dragonscale expedition questlines, protodragons adapt very easily to the elemental energy they absorb.

So it literally became one with SF (as it had become one with fire).

[ember blaze]

Still went mad

[warm topaz]

big news today 👀

[thin warren]

what!

[rain cave]

We already seen he mad af tho

Implied more than usual

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1709246354982371570

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

Just a quick update on what I’m doing today

▶ Play video

Twitter · Oct 3, 2023, 4:37 PM

[thin warren]

so, what's the news? a contentcreator is at Blizzard?

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1709255867718054337

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

Collect Warcraft Rumble Miniatures in WoW!

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Twitter · Oct 3, 2023, 5:15 PM

oh look, this is the event

[ember blaze]

[rain cave]

So what do the miniatures do

Does it unlock a transmog? A cool toy?

[warm topaz]

they are toys

[dense plover]

^the miniatures ARE the event

[rain cave]

But what do they do

[ember blaze]

Nothing

[lone mantle]

What forthcoming expansion content do you anticipate?

[thin warren]

no clue! i read the snipets here

I would guess something voidy, since it seems they are behind many things happening now

[lone mantle]

I have great hopes for a cosmic expansion. I have waited for two mortal years.

[thin warren]

yeah, i also liked the whole legion invasion to

[warm topaz]

Algalon have one of my favourites phrases in wow: "I. Have. Felt. Nothing. A million-million lives wasted. Had they all held within them your tenacity? Had they all loved life as you do?"

[thin warren]

deep

[fiery island]

I don't think I'm ready for another one. Shadowlands shit the bed too hard, I need a break from cosmic shit

That's why I'm really interested in an Avaloren/Khaz Algar expansion. It's potentially a whole super continent untouched by the Titans. We could learn things about the planet and even more untainted by the forces of Order

[rain cave]

cosmic elemental expansion

not pure fire or storm but like

the core powers

and void trying to interfere, with titans on the other side

[fiery island]

I saw somebody on WoWhead make a comment about possible full on Pre-Christian Celtic vibes for Avaloren. Closest we've ever gotta to that was Ardenweald

As an IRL Ovate training to become a Druid that shit would be amazing. The Celtic religion has gotten far less representation in media than Norse, Egyptian, etc.

[fiery island]

Idk man that's like...a lot. Just to clarify are we talking pretty much the whole Cosmic chart having one big ass war?

[lone mantle]

I have observed the events in Shadowlands with great disappointment. I must concur.

[thin warren]

I didn't realy mind i think

[rain cave]

not really

I'm saying that they play out the void plotline on azeroth but also chuck the titans as the equivalent of a secondary antagonist that transitions into a bigger role/ is ever present

but that the void plotline would also heavily involve azeroth, and azeroth is tied to elements it's seeming at least recently

because the elements actually aren't explained much

so instead of it being 'elemental expansion' with firelands/water/wind, etc and just having elemental lords. I think it could be cool to peer behind the curtain of what makes the elements tick

decay, spirit, they're elements as well

[fiery island]

Honestly both yours and my preference could play hand in hand. Avaloren and it's people give us the information we need to be more in tune with Azeroth to properly fight the threat

[rain cave]

a good example I was giving was how arcane can be channeled to make water, fire

death can make ice as well

so what makes elemental ice special?

what is the core power being channeled to generate ice

we know there was mention of the elements favour being in play

[fiery island]

We as people from Kalimdor are largely fighting blind. We only know what the Titans want us to no

[rain cave]

but what makes the elementals tick?

[fiery island]

Elementals are just the primordial wardens over life imo

They're insanely powerful, but not cosmic in scale

[rain cave]

yeah but what's their primal force

like with mortals we're kind of a weird balance between life and death, we have souls and anima

demons have the twisting nether with their souls

etc etc

we know elementals go to their plane when they die outside sure

but that doesn't explain why or what is the core power behind it

I'd bet azeroth's tied to it somehow

[fiery island]

Life

Life isn't just green & trees & leaves and shit. It's everything else too

[rain cave]

we don't know this

especially since elements are distinct from life

we also don't know if the cosmic forces are the origins

or the end points

[fiery island]

We know that Aggramar was surprised by their presence in Draenor

[upper lantern]

Based on more recent lore say it's either life/nature. Shamans commune with the elements and preserve the balance between them. If you take older (pre-WoW lore) elementals have been heavily tied to mages and conjurers since the first Warcraft games, so they'd be connected to the arcane.

[fiery island]

And that Draenor has an abundance of Life energy

Shamanism is Life magic before Cenarius taught mortal races how to do Druid shit

[rain cave]

do we know that tho

where's that speculation based

[fiery island]

I don't think there's that much speculation involved man. You're creating a deep mystery where there is none

[warm topaz]

that is fun

[upper lantern]

Speculating about cosmic stuff in WoW is rarely worth anything. We see where that led us in SL

[fiery island]

I used to love cosmic shit until SL. That expac absolutely ruined it for me

That and Endwalker. Big scale cosmic doesn't always equal fun or fulfilling

[silent urchin]

build seems to be going out, servers are down and vendor went out yesterday

[thin warren]

Cool

[ember blaze]

[rain cave]

not all lore has to be explored in game

they will have world documents of things they probably never plan to put in game

[fiery island]

Maybe a redone Chronicle, unbiased or something

[rain cave]

the thing I'm curious about is the more base magic

like mana

[silent urchin]

There is apparently now a portal from valdrakken to the emerald dream, in the emerald enclave

[deep pawn]

So, we're going across the sea, Stormriding will be Dragonriding 2.0 haha

[dense plover]

thats nice

[deep pawn]

MrPeach774, you saw the new book about the Moana Dragon? 😄

[dense plover]

no

link

[pulsar minnow]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1709361260914233391?s=20

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

POSSIBLE SPOILERS ⚠️

Hints towards the next WoW Expansion in 10.2?

A new in-game book was found by PTR user "Ursoc" which contains a story about the story of "Erinethria" and an adventure she took across the sea.

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Twitter · Oct 4, 2023, 12:14 AM

[subtle oar]

More fake leaks

xD

https://x.com/Jedithtv/status/1709218463187611935?s=20

Jedith🔜BlizzCon ‘23 (@Jedithtv)

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Twitter · Oct 3, 2023, 2:46 PM

[deep pawn]

I wouldn't be so sure there won't be new support specs, but any images from in game this soon yeah fake

The fact the Keepers knew what was to the west and didn't want people going there is a good way I suppose to explain why their globes never had it

[deep pawn]

What could be so bad they hide away but not so bad they let live and don't imprisone

[deep pawn]

We also have a giant crater that held a world tree planted by Eonar herself that was ripped out by Aman'thul for not being order.

The fact it's a crater make me think Un'goro but who knows

[deep pawn]

Everliving Statuette: Hidden from daylight, a sleeping flame rests atop the sixth tree.

A god damn hidden tree underground

[upper pasture]

i mean, doesn't mean it HAS to be underground it could be shrouded by storms and that would still be "hidden by daylight"

[deep pawn]

depends on if the crater is underground or not

[dense plover]

now have a map icon and new info

this has new stuff too

looks like all WQs in the zone now give crest rewards

new faction icon

looks like they staggered a lot of the quests from the central hub

whether theyre going to be drip fed or they just moved them out idk

but theres no longer 50 quests here

seems like they also did a large pass on the map so you have more vistas and fewer obstacles in some of the cooler areas

[vernal juniper]

why they nerfed embellisments by 35%

do you think they will add new profession stuff without showing us what

trying to avoid speculation on the mats?

[dense plover]

Elothir!

[ember blaze]

who

[thin warren]

An archivist!

storytime

[austere gazelle]

Oh yeah, I was right. Eonar was a priestess/lover of Elune and did stuff in the back of her titans brethren :flex:
She planted the first Arch tree on Azeroth from a gift of Elune ( a branch of G'hanir ) and Aman'thul ripped it in rage, creating a crater ( Un'goro ? )

[deep pawn]

Un'goro or something out west

[plain violet]

The crater was filled with tears...

Could be Un'goro or worse, a well!

[subtle oar]

Wat?

[harsh mason]

Well, it just makes it clear what the connection was between them. In general, we have already learned from the beginning of SL, Elune is "God in the world of life". Apparently, Azeroth was something like a personal garden for her, lol

[austere gazelle]

Elune might be more than that, its also implied or questionned in one of these book that azeroth might be the source of the cosmos power , which goes in line with the earthmother mythos putting Elune as one of her children

[austere gazelle]

Yes. It was obvious since legion if you added up tear of Elune as a pillar of the titans + Eonar being sheltered in Elunaria. I theorised back then that she might have been a priestess of Elune or something like this

[austere gazelle]

Its Amirdrassil. Its in the dream.( hidden from daylight ) , and the flame is 'sleeping' ( since its in the dream )
Amirdrassil is also the supposed sixth Archtree

Legit you think ?

[subtle oar]

Nothing is legit until it's announced

[subtle oar]

https://x.com/N_Tys26/status/1709522077274058930

N_Tys (@N_Tys26)

𝐔𝐏𝐃𝐀𝐓𝐄!

It seems as though HOPIUM got the best of us.

The figure pictured below is indeed Medivh..however it is fanart created by the very talented @VladHarabagiu.

Thanks to those who pointed this out.

Twitter · Oct 4, 2023, 10:53 AM

Confirmed fake

[glass flicker]

Yup, Valdhir is talented AF. I'm planning to commission from him soon™

[dense plover]

it was an obvious fake

[subtle oar]

Yup

[deep pawn]

The books though aren't. Ups the ante about moon earthen again

People keep making fun of Aman'thul ripping the tree out

How he sounds comically mean with the "This is not order!"

[austere gazelle]

He's anti Vegan

[rain cave]

old man ripping weeds out of his garden

[warm topaz]

this guy is posting a lot of this ones

4 screenshots of the same "monster guy"

[little hound]

Fake af.

[upper pasture]

I fail to see what that even could be

[austere gazelle]

A malnourished first one ?

[austere gazelle]

Whos the guy ? Source ?

[warm topaz]

mmo-c

[upper pasture]

so forthcoming with info. do you have the link?

[austere gazelle]

Its fake as fuck

[warm topaz]

thanks!

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2641371-11-0-voidstorm/page4?p=54241253#post54241253

people is so creative

[upper pasture]

the other photos of the thing looks like AI art of Nzoth so yeah fake likely

[warm topaz]

dude, i mean im agree i think it looks fake

but i can't wait for blizzcon expansion release and someone say looks AI

[silent urchin]

Was this dude running around the room as he took these photos?

they're all from wildly different angles

[warm topaz]

I imagine Blizzard security running behind him while he takes photos of everything he sees.

[upper pasture]

It’s clearly a camera in his belt buckle come on guys cut the man some slack

[uncut vault]

you'd figure people would at least do the research to know the game doesn't use these subtitles anymore lol

[silent urchin]

If they are showing a cinematic, it's just going to be video, and not in-client anyway

even though I'm pretty sure they're only doing the red cross because a previous leak got called fake for not having it

[dense plover]

it 100% looks exactly like the same AI fake from before

how the fuck are people this daft?

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/status/1709704364116398358?t=mIm8a5IEeXEAzLRxdPe8Uw&s=19

Algalon, Enigmatic Observer (@algalon_ghost)

New #Warcraft build found:
Vendor (wowv)🔐: 3.4.3.51505 --> 1.15.0.51638

Found at: 10-04-2023@10:57:38 UTC

Twitter · Oct 4, 2023, 10:57 PM

[dense plover]

its just a vendor build

and thats wow classic

[silent urchin]

1.15 keeps showing up, live classic is currently 1.14

so they definitely seem to have something planned for it

[dense plover]

yes

or its where they test stuff for hardcore

and they give it a different number for internal reasons

[silent urchin]

the rumble promotion post mentioned "Not available in classic or eras titles", with "Era titles" seeming to be a new term

although the pet post just said "classic"

[upper pasture]

Eras term is prolly future proofing for WoW Classic/WotLK/HC/SoM2.0/Cata. just so they dont have to list each one. just a blanket term of era titles to cover them all

[dense plover]

^^^

[silent urchin]

Possibly. Just wondering if they plan to make a more standalone version of the game for each expansion

[dense plover]

they also might do things like temporarily bringing back burning crusade or something

[upper pasture]

prolly not? theyve already said they dont want to divide the player base futher and futher

[dense plover]

or cyclical servers where everyone has to start over after X amount of time and it then progresses through patches

[upper pasture]

honestly i wish theyd make each expansion available and just let the player play where they want to but of course there would be a cost to keeping all those servers up and running. im sure if you look hard enough youll find people who want to play WoD classic and just stop there.

[deep pawn]

The fact we're going west, that it involves storms, weird earthen, and other "heretics" seems more likely by the day.

[jade basalt]

And possibly a brood of green dragons

[deep pawn]

I included that under heretics

Since the green dragon was told not to go

Wonder if what they claim is storms turns out to be a giant sea creature, but no, I'm all in on Storm riding with Storm Glyphs

One power will be flying through a thunderstorm cloud with a proper upgrade to land with a buff for a minute or two haha

[upper pasture]

thats oddly specific of a guess way before an expansion reveal but i guess you can just say you were the first person to claim that

[silent urchin]

what if we just went and asked magni what the hell is going on over there

world soul would at least know if there was some giant evil corruption, in theory

[deep pawn]

I just see them redoing the glyph system with new perks to make us redo it all even though I'm tired of new glyphs each patch

[upper pasture]

what would you rather, recollecting the glyphs to have flying shortly after launch (what was it like 30 mins into DF?) or waiting until 11.X to get flying?

[silent urchin]

I anticipate redoing glyphs, but much of it rolled into the baseline

[upper pasture]

i mean theres even the chance we just have flying as it is now and get new abilities tacked on like a patch OR just unlocking more cosmetics

[silent urchin]

maybe have more of a storm theme to it somehow

[deep pawn]

They just better not force us to use a new set of mounts until they unlock dynamic flying and regular flying

[upper pasture]

if i had to wager a guess we will likely be able to use our dragons in 11.0 if stormriding is the new thing we will just get maybe 1-2 customizable mounts like the dragons

plus they were working on all those other mounts to have dynamic flying for soonTM

[deep pawn]

Did Mrgm ever spill what the event was

[silent urchin]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1709340397359759719

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

So for those wondering. I’ve been at the Blizzard Campus in Irvine today attending a creator summit for Warcraft Rumble!

It’s been an incredible day, finding out more about the game, what’s to come in the future and getting the chance to speak and ask questions to the…

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Twitter · Oct 3, 2023, 10:51 PM

[deep pawn]

Oh just rumble, I wish I could be excited for a phone game.

[upper pasture]

from the people I know who played it they said its pretty fun

but why does he need to go back on thursday hmmmm? surely there might be OTHER things he cannot talk about yet

[deep pawn]

It might be fun but I just don't use my phone to game cause I usually have the cheapest phone I can get away with

[dense plover]

told yall it was rumble

i called it when he first hinted at it

way too early to be anything else

but after the 'dont you guys have phones' fiasco, no way theyre gonna focus on rumble at blizzcon

so ofc theyre going to cover it beforehand

[deep pawn]

I'm still mad immortal was a success even if I hear nothing about it anymore

[upper pasture]

i mean, they JUST released a new class AND they are starting another season?

perhaps you don't see/hear anything about because you aren't looking for it?

plus it's also not the "new thing at blizzard" for everyone to shit on so now streams aren't covering it.

[deep pawn]

I wouldn't go looking for it, but d4 for example you can't escape news about it

[upper pasture]

i mean, just wait until the next thing happens in D:I

wowhead will cover it and youll get a post

[tepid fiber]

Because D4 is the new hotness just like lehrdaniel said. When something is new, in the current major content cycle, or The Algorithm is picking it up then that's what people are going to cover

[upper pasture]

just wait Nov 3rd you'll likely get flooded with "OMFG WHO DOES BLIZZARD THINK THEY ARE WHY MAKE A PHONE GAME" when it fully releases.

[dense plover]

^^^

[tepid fiber]

At least until the next thing comes out for people to sensationalize for audience traffic

[upper pasture]

it's just how the world works

[deep pawn]

4 weeks

[molten niche]

Its not fun trust me.

[upper pasture]

okay

[molten niche]

Its boring as fuck and pretty much comes down to who can place the most stuff down the fastest

[upper pasture]

i'll form my own opinion but like. there's been a handful of people who have told me it's fun to play when you have a little downtime here and there

[tepid fiber]

Would have to agree. It's very cheeky and engaging. If you're playing it to have a good time you'll have a good time, and like everything else you can minmax and optimize the fun out of it if that's what you choose to do

[thin warren]

Cheeky :3 haha

[lone mantle]

[harsh mason]

An ordinary mobile game, no worse and no better than others

[warm topaz]

i have played it a lot its so fun

[ember blaze]

Is there mobile game energy

[warm topaz]

that doesn't mean is not fun

[molten niche]

its not fun lol.

[austere gazelle]

for you

[molten niche]

its just a reskin of clash royale lol. and that game i boring as well.

[austere gazelle]

it's your opinion, that's fine, other have theirs

[harsh mason]

Okay, what's the problem here?

[rain cave]

boring for YOU

and that's ok 👍

other warcraft themed games are available

[terse anvil]

So 11.0 is going to be about dwarves basically?

[subtle oar]

There is no official info

[terse anvil]

Eh they guessed dragon flight correct lol

[rain cave]

why do you think that

😭

[terse anvil]

Them damn dataminers lol

[rain cave]

well from what we've had datamined, nothing points to a full literal dwarf expansion

just that dwarf lore may be relevant

as part of that

the xpac preorder mount was a green dragon, but dragonflight wasn't all about just the green dragonflight

in SL it was an anima worm, which was just the flightmasters thing

[terse anvil]

Eh a lot of makes sense though we learned about it through Uldaman

There is a section of map for it

[rain cave]

I doubt they'd make a full xpac about dwarves, and if it's very stormy and too focused on elements or dwarves

it would feel off as an expansion concept imo

just think of the dwarves as part of a whole

[terse anvil]

I agree

[rain cave]

legion had, nightborne, druids, tauren, storm dragons, valarjar, naga

and I haven't even mentioned the demons

the dwarves could just be one of the primary factions/ reps

[terse anvil]

I feel like we’ve had a dwarf expansion

But we just followed around the little dwarf a lot lol

[upper lantern]

10.0 was supposed to be about dragons but we also got tuskarr, centaurs, niffen and the Kirin Tor/explorer expeditions as allies

[terse anvil]

We will know in a month regardless

[tepid fiber]

Well yeah they're not going to only use dragons and only dragons. It's the World of Warcraft. That's the problem with slapping reductionist or generalized labels on stuff

[rain cave]

throwing my bet into the ring:
-Nzoth is involved with the nightsquall and getting to a new continent because ->
-> He glimpsed the true timeline when we met him, and so he knows xalatath's plan (he even interacted with her in bfa) and is now trying to play around it by influencing people from within the black blade.
-This won't be revealed at first, at first we'll see a new continent with the avaloren dwarves, new types of green dragons from that new book, something related to decay, pirates, abandoned /delapidated titan facility as a cool new aesthetic.
-Hints of a void incursion build. perhaps with ethereals.

I don't think they'll try hide the void story explicitly, but they'll start turning up the heat quick from 0 but then reveal interesting information about it as it happens

e.g. tell us nightsquall has some weird power, reveal it to be influence from whoever later on

[upper lantern]

The N'zoth speculation is pretty good. People forgot that his essence is now stuck in the dagger. I bet Azshara will be involved somewhere, too

[molten niche]

all i want is a new class the evoker is trash

[rain cave]

doubt we're getting any new classes for a long time especially since they've realised they can add specs now

adding a spec saves a lot of the overhead adding a class does

[harsh mason]

it was not difficult to guess the dragons, since there is a simple tactic: to list what has not yet happened (but what there were hints of). There were direct hints in the bfa on dragon island, so they just said 2 exp in a row: there will be dragons. They didn't know it, it's just a coincidence

[rain cave]

half the talents (not exactly but in essence). don't have to fit them into a tier token, no bloating of armor type users, only making 1 spec instead of multiple so you can nail a fantasy down easier.

no color coding

[molten niche]

but the classes/specs ppl want will require new classes

example tinker

hell the 2 true things id really like is if u run old content thats not relelvant y automatically get the transmog for gear u cant us elike if u run on a mage u can get the plate transmogs so ur not mindlessly running the same shit over and over. and make more stuff account wide like rep the rep bs in df got really old real fast i quit playing cuz id rather grind artifact power than stupid rep on more than 1 character

[rain cave]

tinker could be a rogue or hunter spec honestly

depending on how much 'new' specs get changed

but tinker is the last example of a class that could be a full class really

[molten niche]

na tinker can have 3 specs dps tank and heal so it needs to be a class

[rain cave]

just because it can doesn't mean it will

look at DH

warrior could have 4 specs

shaman can have a tank spec

with tinker it is possible to sum up their fantasy in a single spec

even if there's potential for 3

[austere gazelle]

Not confirmed that nzoth is in the dagger. Possible yes, but pure speculation atm. Avaloren might be heavily tied with elements, elune, an'she, and whatever is the darkness that attacked them

[harsh mason]

In fact, as for me, the creation of a new continent, the development of life on which went separately from Kalimdor (when it was a single continent)-this is a good chance to come up with a lot of new themes

As I understand it, Avaloren was not part of a single Kalimdor

So even the style itself can be very different (after all, he was not touched by the Titans)

To some extent, this may become a soft restart.

[pulsar minnow]

Did the dagger not explode when Wrathion stabbed him?

[upper lantern]

I don't really recall that on the cutscene, but it may have been the case

Would be a shame if N'zoth is truly gone though tbh

[pulsar minnow]

https://youtu.be/QBfIMJi5_88?si=eClO2IZtkng0sxu4

It looks like it exploded

As for him being “truly gone,” nzoth is probably in the void lands or whatever equivalent the void has

[austere gazelle]

And nzoth may even be brought back by a timeline - shattered infinite move later

[rain cave]

I mean if dagger was destroyed I feel they would have said so

The fact they've hinted nzoth is still in play somehow to me hints that he planned to be absorbed into the dagger, and left fragments of himself to fight off the champions

The dagger even literally split off carapace from him

Would be funny if that's basically the explanation as to why nzoth acted kind of out of character

Being quite direct after the dagger stabbed him

[ember blaze]

Wasn’t it established he knew everything that would happen because we went back in time

And he saw our memories

[twilit coral]

https://twitter.com/parteyunques/status/1710368817635791048?t=wPV42x1hxc403oMGFfvnHw&s=19

Parteyunques (@parteyunques)

Hola, me llaman Parteyunques. Otros me llaman Draugmar. En mi barrio me llamaban "el petit de ca na Marga".

Soy administrador de sistemas y diseñador gráfico.

Y estos días he puesto a media comunidad de WoW España patas arriba.

Sin querer, palabra

Twitter · Oct 6, 2023, 6:57 PM

Enjoy

[warm topaz]

spanish SHAHAHHAHAHAHA

we are just built different

[mighty wolf]

its not Blizzard style. Just another Photoshoped logo

[twilit coral]

Read dude

Its a thread

[deep pawn]

People accused the DF logo of being fake at first

[harsh mason]

Whoever made this leak clearly miscalculated with this crossed-out screen

[upper pasture]

There ain’t no shot, blizzard would release such a half assed logo lol i mean look at the frame around “voidstorm”

[harsh mason]

Because no one will make it for showing inside the company

And as far as I know, they don't do this even for cinematics, only for cutscenes on PTR for players

Simply put: there is simply no point in this “ work in progress” screen

Now that AI is very developed, it has become much easier to make such leaks

But if these leaks are coordinated with Blizzard, then anything is possible

[austere gazelle]

Called it, a cinematic in a WIP state is bullshit
Its the first stuff that is done in an expack

[silent urchin]

the PTR puts the work in progress thing over all cinematics. Even ones from previous expansions. But I don't recall the logo ever being present inside cinematics in the client

[rain cave]

it's a cool logo concept unironically

and because it breaks the traditional classic WoW borders like DF it's more convincing than othe leaks

[austere gazelle]

The ptr maybe. Not unreleased content. Most of the cinematic are not available on ptr though.

[dense plover]

They do work in progress as a banner and they typically watermark internal stuff

Anything with the X is bullshit

It’s also too damn early

The DF leak was less than a week before BlizzCon and so was the SLs leak

Stuff won’t leak sooner than that

Because they’ll be able to track down individuals who leak before that

Once they’re at T-one week, everyone knows and it could be anyone

[deep pawn]

Yeah, media packs are nearly ready to be sent, exciting times

[dense plover]

So we won’t see anything you should take seriously that has art for at least 3 weeks

[silent urchin]

There's a chance, blizz seem to be using more third parties these days, for art and other things. Those tend to be leakier. But it is generally when stuff starts showing up in the convention center itself that it starts to get photographed

[dense plover]

The logo won’t be 3rd party

I promise

[silent urchin]

I didn't strictly mean the logo, but fair point

[dense plover]

CGI is mostly internal as well

Promo art is the predominant third party thing for wow

And after the last 2 leaks I bet the main stuff won’t be this expac

[subtle oar]

Fake, yawn

[deep pawn]

Dracthyr leaked almost the instant media stuff was sent out lol

[fiery island]

I don't think these images are plausible. Art style just doesn't seem to line up imo, feels like it's from another game

[deep pawn]

No one believed Dracthyr at first

[fiery island]

Going this hard on Void stuff is gonna be a swing and a miss right now imo. Temperature around the community tells me it's not time for big cosmic threat yet

People are burned out from how horrendously SL fucked up the lore

Next expansion needs to have more action & urgency but it needs to be firmly grounded in Azeroth

[deep pawn]

Nothing points to a rework right now

Even if it's Avaloren and completely above ground we're still getting set up for weird dwarves and green dragons

[fiery island]

Literally a wealth of actual data mined assets points to that right now. Versus shitty screenshots that are likely AI-generated on Twitter

[little hound]

People’s fake leaks every year since MoP: Playable Ogres! Tinker class! Goooood god can’t people TRY to be original? Reusing it every year is just daft.

[fiery island]

Dwarves & Green Dragons may very well just be different elements of this. Kinda like how Mogu were a small portion of Pandaria

I can see continued buildup of the void plot line across the next expansion and will probably lead into a 12.0 Voidstorm. I think we're gonna go to the other side of the planet to this land to the West and we're gonna learn the truth, not just whatever Odyn deemed was worth us knowing. We'd be fighting the Void blind right now, I think a civilization untouched by Order will have knowledge that'll better prepare us for that fight

[deep pawn]

Yeah, but a continent the Titans couldn't tame and tried to pretend doesn't exist likely won't be as grounded as some want

[fiery island]

It's more grounded than towering Void Gods crashing into the planet or some shit

[little hound]

[deep pawn]

By grounded people want stories set in the main continents, not some potentially stormy, moonlit dark area

[fiery island]

Again, it's a compromise. A total Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms rework is too much dev time. Void Gods showing up is too much cosmic scale. I think Avaloren/Khaz Algar allows continued development of assets for an eventual rework and its just new and interesting enough to be captivating

But still on world, and with very little cosmic scale stuff

[deep pawn]

If it goes the route I'm thinking it's gonna be too weird for people who are upset about anything cosmic, especially if Elune is involved

[fiery island]

Could be, but I think it's better than Void. Void is the end game of Warcraft at this point imo

[deep pawn]

Nah, that's the first ones or the seventh force

[fiery island]

If the Story team is wise, they'll mark SL and any lore from it as non-canon

[upper pasture]

if the team is wise they will incorporate old lore and new lore and not just completely undermind the old stuff

[fiery island]

To include the First Ones. ESPECIALLY the First Ones

That shit had playing make believe at recess escalation energy

"YOU HAVE THE ULTIMATE POWER, WELL I HAVE THE OMEGA POWER THAT BEATS THAT"

[deep pawn]

I prefer the first ones vs the idea the Titans shaped all realms

[fiery island]

The Titans ordered all realms. And yet, that didn't save those realms from being corrupted by Void, burned by Fel, etc. The original six forces was compelling because nothing was inherently superior to anything else. It bred conflict. First Ones made things boring by adding a single, seemingly Godly presence over all of them. Once the First Ones hit the scene, conflict is over. That sucks

[harsh mason]

The Titans did not ordered all realms, this was never mentioned by anyone. All 6 realms were created the first ones to maintain balance.

Each force will strive to control the entire universe, but none of them will succeed in this. So the balance will be maintained (thanks to the eternal conflicts of this forces).

And it will not succeed because the first ones have created 7 realms: the realm of mortals (of which there are innumerable)

And mortals have much more opportunities (although they are weaker). So due to the fact that time flows through reality, mortals ... are mortals (but their life span pushes them to constantly achieve something (thereby there is a constant development), which is not, for example, races in SL (which exist according to templates)

Titans are ordered only by reality (and then only because they themselves are born from planets).

But here it is worth bearing in mind that since the forces are constantly in conflict for dominance from the realm, the goal of ordering reality may be just an attempt to create something on their side that will help them win. Other forces are trying to do the same (in their own way). For example, Zovaal, who was "lucky" to become the first victim of domination magic, decided to use this magic to subdue all realms through subjugation of reality

[dense plover]

no one did, but also it didnt leak this early

its too early

none of the leaks with pics are real

its too early

1 week before is ABOUT the earliest we can expect anything with pics to be potentially legit

and logo ones are super sus right now because AI is extremely good at making them

[fiery island]

I don't know if you saw my previous comment but I don't consider SL canon. When talking realms, I meant planets, but I kept with that word because Kyle said it. Shoulda clarified.

And I think the fact that the dev team made BfA the default leveling lead in to Dragonflight instead of SL is extremely telling for how they feel about SL's canon status

It was a dumpster fire and that's the majority opinion

[worn crown]

Hahah, a player "not considering Shadowlands canon". Are you a dev already??? 🤣

Players with a strong headcanon opinion are the funniest ones. Dragonflight, in fact, acknoledges SL*, we even visit Ardenweald.

I LOVED the lore of SL, was something fresh and interesting, too bad the MAIN PLOT was terrible

I hate with a passion WoD and any lore associanted with it, but no one see mee (still) ranting about it at every oportunity

[deep pawn]

You must be furious Lady Moonberry is back

[ember blaze]

who

[pulsar minnow]

Shadowlands Ardenweald soul bond

Pretty forgettable

Like most things in SL unfortunately

[deep pawn]

How dare you, she had the best world quests

I didn't hate Shadowlands as much as many, my big issues were no flying at start which has been a negative for me since WoD, the start forcing you to choose between power and roleplay, and the cut raid.

Actually, I want to say I've enjoyed every expansion a ton more when flying was unlocked.

But that's likely just cause it's late enough in a typical expansion they fixed other issues

[ember blaze]

did she have that annoying shape shift one while sneaking around those tree elites

[ember blaze]

The maw was just a terrible and awful experience to subject your players to

and as a core daily feature of the expac...

imagine if during lockdown we were dragonflying instead of painfully running through the maw ON FOOT, as the meter above your head filled up

[deep pawn]

Maw pvp was a treat

Lack of flying sucked but I liked the maw more than Korthia

Maw was appropriately huge feeling without flying

[fiery island]

Ardenweald is the sole redeeming factor of SL. The meta lore is mostly what I'm talking about. First Ones, Zovaal, the changes to the cosmology, etc.

[deep pawn]

When did you start playing warcraft games?

Cause there was a time Titans were new lore.

[ember blaze]

the battle of mid.

[ember blaze]

if it's accompanied by frustration, then don't even bother making it.

they took the aspect of a hell world too literally. I don't wanna be immersed that much.

[deep pawn]

"friction"

[ember blaze]

dragon isle zones feel vast and nice, with insanely fast flying

at least castle nathria was good

[deep pawn]

Was too red for me.

It was sanctum and Korthia that ruined all momentum. Needing raid drops cause they didn't disable the gems in m+, Korthia being small, cramped, and even grindier than the maw..

[subtle oar]

[fiery island]

TBC

Zereth Mortis/Sepulcher was a mistake. Despised the aesthetic & the lore was ridiculous. If that is a good indication of what any content regarding the First Ones will look like, 15.0 will be too soon for me to have to deal with that garbage again

Math? Algorithms? Automatons? Cmon dude, Warcraft is a High Fantasy IP

[deep pawn]

I've got oil powered zeppelins and planes in wc2 that say it's always been more

We're the Titans introduced in wc3 or were they a vanilla thing a

[fiery island]

There's a huge difference between steampunk & combustion engines vs. Space travel and futuristic automatons, that's disingenuous

[deep pawn]

Gnomeregan is anything but steampunk

Did you despise Wrath for introducing mechagnomes?

[fiery island]

No because it didn't push into Starcraft levels of advancement

[deep pawn]

TBC already had and Wrath sealed it with interplanetary rock beings making robots

[fiery island]

1. We went to Outland via the Dark Portal (magic). The mechs & shit were fashioned with magic & engineering.
2. Those rock beings were fashioned with Magic, and the robots were powered by old God blood made into fuel (saronite). It was basically like Hextech from LoL

If you can't see the difference between the tech that's existed in Warcraft and the BS that was in Zereth Mortis we're gonna talk in circles all night

[deep pawn]

Gosh, I'm sorry I can't tell a difference between Draenei space ships and gundams and the more magical feelings first one tech

[ember blaze]

so what's the difference

[deep pawn]

The first ones create souls, something the Titans can't do on their own. It's only the curse of flesh on Titan creatures that made them living beings

I find the soul creation infinitely more magical than what Titans do

[ember blaze]

engineers in WoW should combine more magic and tech

[glass flicker]

They do.

[harsh mason]

You may not like SL (there are a lot of problems there). But! From the very beginning, the chronicles showed 6 forces in 6 different realms (and the Titans were not in the mortal realm, but in their own. And SL further revealed this theme. So what you wrote doesn't make sense.

[rain cave]

tbh if they keep profession specs going forward

new continent, decrepit abandoned titan tech and un-titan touched lands

probably new kinds of magic and mechanisms as well as things ripe for salvage

could be one of the specs

[dense plover]

i think they are going to keep this style of professions - though i assume theyll have new specs or something

[austere gazelle]

They are going, that's why the reputation for artisant's consortium is flagged as 'dragon isles ' too

I imagine that there will be artisant's consortium rep for each expansion

[rain cave]

makes sense for the short term in terms of concepts for expansions as well

like if we go to avaloren or whatever it ends up being called

new cultures, new things to learn

ethereals as well

[austere gazelle]

I'd really love the expedition npc to follow us to avaloren to discovers new land and stuff

[dense plover]

that wouldnt make sense

the ethereals whole thing is about exploring other planets

not unexplored parts of azeroth

theyre on azeroth to sell stuff to us or offer us services

also i dont think the ethereals have been relevant outside of BC and a bit in legion because other planets

[rain cave]

no I'm saying that if the void shows up

as one of the expansion concepts going around

it's kind of between unexplored azeroth and void, and void also fits into the azeroth story

I'd expect to find ethereals wherever we next find void

also we already know ethereals are on EXPLORED azeroth, they're watching us in game, messing with brawlers guild

[dense plover]

no chance they bring metzen back for the 'void' expac

this is 100% a 'new continent, new stuff, unknown stuff' expac

[rain cave]

imo I think void would link into the new continent

like how legion was on the broken isles

even if we're not going pure void as the kind of driving narrative at first