beta-ptr-spoilers

[short prism]

FORREAL !!

[rain cave]

calia is literally there for him to simp for

and or guide/assist

also ik she's in this new patch and will probs be relevant in some way but

the nelf paladin from legion

[short prism]

also, i will say, i think vulpera have a very strong presence as opposed to other beast races which is— really weird given how little lore they have

[pulsar minnow]

Honestly I think vulpera are just funny as fuck

They’re so goofy

I got a vulpera warlock because the idea of a tiny forest creature commanding armies of enslaved demons is funny

[short prism]

they are so perfectly wow so far imo, they’re fun and goofy but all their lore so far has been disturbing and “scary” LOL

previously enslaved shamanistic race that spawned from desert magic, they keep the tails of their dead to honor them and every caravan has a flute carved from the bone of a vulpera to guide them

[pulsar minnow]

I’ve never looked into vulpera lore so I had no idea on any of that besides the tails

[short prism]

their folk tale in the fairy tales book has a whole little story of how instead of honoring their dead and doing what the bone tells them they toss their elder’s dead body into the river and it leads to one of them going crazy, killing the other vulpera who helped them and then both the elder and the dead vulpera drag the third one into the river

gruesome!!

but very fun

[uncut vault]

she's pretty clearly the face of it, and unlike most leaders she actually has a reason to go out in the field

she's not actually the commander of anyone like the other council members (sans Calia who is also kinda just there because reasons lol)

Hence why she can show up in 10.2 as easy as she does

[rain cave]

I meant more as if we got like

a juniors new blood team to lead us

voss would feel a bit skewed as basically a race leader compared to somebody like arator

though you could argue they both have similar connections to power

[deep pawn]

October 12th for ICC, neat

[warm topaz]

and the next week 10.2

you'll see

[harsh mason]

It's still a pity that Sarkareth's visage form never appeared in the game (his hair is covered with void energy in the game files). I hope they will make her a unique visage form

[deep pawn]

I'd be up for it

[harsh mason]

The problem with his videos (and the latest video) is that they are meaningless (and often untrue). I mean, what is the point of his videos? Did he explain the problem, if there is one? No.

Here he had a video back in the BfA days about 8.2 being blizzard's last chance. Like, what the hell?

The wow community is divided into many different groups and each group wants different things. No youtuber like this is capable of giving advice on what would be best. No one can give that kind of advice. Because some groups will be happy with it, others won't.

Some groups want new continent, other groups want old locations updated. Some groups want a global plot with void invasion, others don't. And none of these options will be good or bad. I know I'm stating the obvious, but still.

[formal agate]

Just anything. Sets would have any kind of proc. Like a crit would summon 3 companion murlocs for 20 seconds stuff like trinkets do but actual sets

[rain cave]

like hfc arcane mage?

[formal agate]

It’s been a really long time since I’ve played. Are you talking about how far are sit it all I’m not really sure I understand the reference.

[rain cave]

hellfire citadel

arcane mage tier set summoned random heroe NPC's

like syvlanas

[subtle oar]

~>

[deep pawn]

Chatter around this PTR seems a bit subdued

[warm topaz]

what you mean

[dense plover]

I mean, it’s very buggy

So hard to test

Also, lots of stuff isn’t implemented still

And since it’s likely we won’t see release until after blizzcon, people are sorta waiting to see if 10.3 is happening and what 11.0 is gonna be

[thin warren]

is this confirmed or it's speculation that it will be after Blizzcon?

ah, likely

i see 😄

ah, early november, so yes, that sounds a bit likely to be after it

[harsh mason]

The patch release cycle in DF is 8 weeks on average (that is, from 7-9). That is 2 months. This has already been said by the developers themselves 300 times

But we still continue to discuss it and assume something.

[thin warren]

Didn't know blizzcon was that early

[deep pawn]

If it had been the same pacing as season 1 we'd have a release candidate for 10.2 next week, so regardless this season is lasting longer.

[thin warren]

doing some achievements, but sometimes feeling more like killing time then actually enjoying it :p

[warm topaz]

am I the only one who thinks that in a model of expansions every 2 years there is no time to revamp entire EK and Kalimdor?

[thin warren]

if they integrate it into an expansion, yes, like cata, but if it's like something extra, more difficult

tough if they put a seperate (smaller) team on that specifically, maybe

[harsh mason]

10.0.0-10.0.5( 28 November-24 January). 10.0.5-10.0.7( 24 January - 21 March). 10.0.7-10.1( 21 March-2 may)-6 month

10.1-10.1.5( 21 May-11 July), 10.1.5-10.1.7(11 July-5 September). 2 month+2month)

10.1.7-10.2??????

I assure you that there will also be 2 months, and season 2 is also 6 months

[deep pawn]

Season one was shorter than 5 months haha.

Yes by a few days, but it was 20 weeks

[harsh mason]

are you kidding?

can't you count the numbers yourself?

[deep pawn]

I have

Season 1 lasted exactly 20 resets.

[harsh mason]

Fuck, okay, let's remove the word "season". In any case, I wrote from the very beginning that it was always about the release cycle of PATCHES (you certainly watched all their interviews, I'm sure). We are talking about the fact that each patch is planned to be released every 2 months. I showed you that they all come out like this every 2 damn months

Please, let's close that topic, it's not funny anymore

[deep pawn]

Doesn't change the fact that because of Blizzcon they have likely needed to push this upcoming patch back 3-5 weeks. It's not about being funny or anything

[thin warren]

we will see!

or not!

[harsh mason]

These are just your assumptions. I'll give you THEIR words and concrete facts. They can release a patch on the day of the start of the blizzard, a hurricane may happen that will demolish their offices and the patch will be canceled. These are all ASSUMPTIONS. You've been writing for 4 months only your ASSUMPTIONS (and you believe in them yourself). The topic of spoilarm and PTR has returned to your ASSUMPTIONS about the release date of patches. This was fun in May (to discuss). Now it's already infuriating

At the same time, these are not just assumptions, but: "oh no, there will be 3 raids, in the quests in 10.1.5 they hinted at 3 raids, there will be no patch, because something lasted longer, blizzcon,

[deep pawn]

My initial guess of this patch back in May was literally next week, yeah I'm a tad dismayed it's looking like it'll be 6 weeks after that cause I've been done with this season for over a month already. If not for the fomo of the trading post and secrets event I likely would have just unsubbed. I'm sorry my words and disappointment of the pacing of this season is infuriating to you.

And I made an observation that general chatter around this patch has been a bit subdued compared to 10.1. I don't know if it's cause we're looking at just another zone with a couple world events just like Forbidden Reach and Zaralek or some discontent with the big ilvl jump making some feel that progress this season is meaningless at this point

[lone mantle]

All will be revealed before you, mortals.

[thin warren]

[vernal juniper]

build day?

[harsh mason]

Maybe yes, the last build was on 14 september

[upper pasture]

The craziest thing is this is the most smoothest expansion we’ve have in forever and yet that’s still not enough for you to not be all doomer about it.

[deep pawn]

I'm being doomer cause signs point to half the dungeon/raid content of Legion, but I hope that's wrong and they do get a full 10.3 out next year

a good first year and empty second year averages out to meh.

[upper pasture]

But we won’t know until we get there

[harsh mason]

Well, there is fear and horror that there may be only 3 raids, and then (by some crazy logic) DF will be even less than draenor

[upper pasture]

So just wait and see no reason to worry about milk that hasn’t spilled yet

[short prism]

i saw that take and literally gasped

the df < wod crew are insane

[harsh mason]

Imagine that exp, in which only one major patch is released in 2 years, is more than DF just because 3 raids were released there faster than in DF

[short prism]

clearly raiding is the best measure of content /s

[deep pawn]

Raid encounters are part of content, especially if your primary goal in game is doing those new encounters and gearing up. Even now WoD is seen as great raid content, but just not enough of it. I don't think Aberrus or VotI will hold up as well as Blackrock Foundry did.

[upper pasture]

and yet you are still stuck on "what ifs" until we see a "final patch" or an announcement for 11.0 you really are getting yourself worked up for nothing

[deep pawn]

And I will say that for me, as someone who usually loves casual or solo content, the world content they have added each patch in DF has been underwhelming. I think the only event I truly liked was Soup and even that isn't relevant anymore. I spent FAR more time on the Broken Shore than I have in Zaralek.

I think it's fair to be able to criticize when content they're adding is not holding up well to you.

[upper pasture]

but that's not what your doing you are talking about things that have yet to pass.

[tepid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/here-it-goes-again-ok-go-here-i-go-again-repeat-its-happening-gif-16189653

[deep pawn]

It's both, maybe I'm just lacking something to do on alts that takes time like a legendary ring/cloak, or areas to customize, or hell, even duplicating farms to have enough mats for stuff. The fact the next season is 75% old M+ dungeons feels bad to me.

Not like they're doing 13 boss tiers they can't squeeze out at least a 3 boss dungeon

[short prism]

they are certainly A PART of content, but i wouldn’t say they are what disqualify an expansion from having a large amount of content and the end all be all of wow

[silent urchin]

definitely feel like there's a lack of some sort of torghast like content

[upper pasture]

you mean that thing the "the community" complained about being terrible and a waste of time? yeah why would blizzard make another one of those?

(definitely not how i felt about it)

i was running it all the freaking time, i LOVE torghast and i wish we had gotten the endless mode

[short prism]

their supplement for that seems appropriate for the amount of backlash they got for torghast, unfortunately

[upper pasture]

it's so crazy to me how one expansion it can be "this is trash we hate it so much" then a year later it's "man if only blizzard had made something like that thing we complained about for two whole years ago"

[silent urchin]

well, not specifically similar to torghast, but more some sort of solo/maybe small group content that you can do entirely on your own schedule

where gear/skill does matter at least a bit

[short prism]

that one open world zone in the azure span is what comes to mind

[silent urchin]

rather than all the events which are just a zerg

[short prism]

kinda sorta zreska vaults too

i actually really like the zreska vaults they’re fun

[deep pawn]

More like the unhappy people are the loudest. So the people who did enjoy Torghast weren't gonna take the time to defend it publically, they just did it

[short prism]

(lowkey the narrative complaints a bit atm)

every content creator begging and pleading for a lighthearted, fun romp for an expac without the heavy doom and gloom.

[silent urchin]

torghast was pretty fun, but they definitely missed the mark on requiring it for legendaries at the start of the expansion while being quite a grind/difficult to max out

[short prism]

DF does feel like a set up for bigger things but— i don’t know, sometimes it’s nice to not have anything crazy going on

the last three expacs had huge major punches for their starts

[upper pasture]

idk, i mean. i get the appeal of this but also like. the world needs conflict to move things forward. the closest we will get to a fun lighthearted thing again would in my eye be the farming stuff from MoP.

i will say that this expansion seems to balance the world ending events or at least make them not seem as much as the only thing that's going on.

[short prism]

Yeah, exactly. I think it’s setting those things up for the future

It’s good to have the narrative be slower, so it doesn’t feel like we’re constantly saving the universe (or whatever)

[harsh mason]

This is normal for wow community

[deep pawn]

I still have fond memories of my MoP farm.

[upper pasture]

oh i know

[short prism]

i honestly wish the plot for the iridikron stuff was even a little slower burn. i would’ve loved to find out that he’s working closer to the void than believed like, much closer to this wxpac’s end

[upper pasture]

i feel like that's what's gonna happen at the end, we will find out the plan and then curtain drop. i'd honestly be surprised if we deal with Iridikron and the fallout of his actions in this expansion.

[harsh mason]

Tethris worked for Iridikron, 100%. In general, I feel that the secrets of azeroth event should be perceived precisely as part of a common story

[short prism]

yes!! the fact that it remains playable after the event is over speaks to that fact as well

[short prism]

also absolutely, i think iridikron is gonna be a long standing villain

he’s too much like megatron to remove him quick!!!!! (/positively

[upper pasture]

that and we need villains to stick around for a bit and not show up and be dealt with in a patch or two

[tepid fiber]

I'm just sick of the vocal minority ruining everything because they've mastered the art of viral bitching better

[deep pawn]

Comes back to there'll always be some group upset

[short prism]

the amount of people on twitteroth right now complaining about wow when they quit playing during shadowlands

[upper pasture]

being upset is fine, constantly complaining and being doomer over any bit of information is what most of us hate.

like ill be honest if 10.2 is the final main story line chapter ill be upset

[ember blaze]

Should have kept the endless mode

[upper pasture]

am i gonna take up arms before 10.2 is out? no.

[short prism]

constantly acting like the most likely thing to happen is the worst thing, tends to get draining

[harsh mason]

Patch 10.2 100% will not be released in October( as the cycle is 2 months). We don't hope for anything, we look at certain facts and base our judgement on them

Would I be upset if this was the finale? Yes. Do I draw conclusions based only on my assumptions? No

[deep pawn]

replying to something completely else, but okay

[tepid fiber]

This. The overwhelming negativity and pessimism in the community is just so hard to deal with constantly.

[short prism]

i think that’s why so many people had that knee jerk reaction to Bell’s latest video too— he actually has been making a lot of positive dragonflight content

but because the community is the way that it is, sometimes when a big content creator makes a statement it— it gets crazy

[deep pawn]

I haven't even watched his video

[harsh mason]

Shit, I'm sorry, I misunderstood

[deep pawn]

I mean it is a response to what I said earlier, just the reply was funky haha

[uncut vault]

The issue is that the story isn’t actually doing this, the vibe is just kinda pretending it is lol

We’re doing yet another “stop the world from being blown up” plot right now, twice in the same xpac

[tepid fiber]

Agree

I mean don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with stakes. Good motivators for people to work together when everyone is at risk

[uncut vault]

The plot just isn’t really treating it like that, so people are frustrated that what should be important issues are focusing more on the small scale emotional beats of characters who aren’t really doing anything

[short prism]

that is true! i wish it was just a focus on the primalists disliking the titans/dragonflights specifically, and less about “they want to bathe the world in flame”

that way those focuses on character moments and building felt more appropriate to the scale of the stakes

[uncut vault]

10.2 thankfully seems to be amending that at least, the campaign testing so far has a good balance of emotional stuff with the Druids of the Flame vs the actual threat they pose

[tepid fiber]

Don't get me wrong, it is nice to see what's happening in the world of Warcraft || 🥁 || but it's still important to be aware of the clear and present threats

[short prism]

very well said gumball

[deep pawn]

bleh, jebaited by 10.1.7 updating

[silent urchin]

Servers haven't even gone down so a build this late seems unlikely

there was a vendor build last thursday, but nothing since

[dense plover]

when is raid testing?

theyll do a new build then

[upper pasture]

i think that was all this week no? (guess that makes it last week then)

starting on like the 13th or 14th?

[upper pasture]

so do we know why there seemingly is a shadowflame brazier in tyrhold?

oh i guess there's a couple

who know's maybe not shadowflame after all /shrug

[rocky garden]

question where can i find keystones in ptr to do season 3 keys ?

[warm topaz]

orgrimmar

[harsh mason]

The death of the Niffens is one of the scariest moments in the history of WoW. I felt this moment very strongly precisely because of one important fact: they did not know who was flying to them (since they are blind). They could smell him perfectly and felt threatened by him, and they did what they always did-they began to dig underground. On SF, it just can't be stopped, it will penetrate underground, they won't even have time to do anything. And also the fact that Fyrakk didn't even fly to burn them on purpose. A lot of people missed this moment, but Fyrakk just "spat out some SF" as there was too much of it in his body. That is, before flying to the surface, he was literally looking for where to spit out SF.I understand that this is not an "obvious" threat, but the fact that he is the only one of the Incarnations who killed a bunch of innocents just to "spit out the extra flame"-it became personal, lol

And as for the fact that the characters didn't actually do anything-well, that's not true. In Va, the characters have done more than in other exp. But at the same time, I also would not want the dragon queen to fly with us to hot spots (especially after two wounded from Raszageth)

I mean, even just remembering the previous exp, the characters did a lot less there

For example, if we take the legion, then everyone seemed to have to fight there, but until 8.2 the characters were sitting in Dalaran (the horde was not visible at all after Stormheim). And starting from 8.2, only Illidan, Velen and Khadgar were in the center.

[uncut vault]

Except there’s one main issue: the niffen literally never show up in the main plot after this lol

Not even as a mention, nobody cares about them from that point onward after the black dragons leave

Big horrible things happening to people is cool in the moment, but those moments need to matter in the subsequent story

[harsh mason]

And there were no personal problems in fact. The only exp where it could still be noticed is the cataclysm (and then only within the updated locations). In the main plot there was only Thrall (well, Alex, who was also injured, lol)

[uncut vault]

Using a big flashy horrible event for plot fodder is how we got the mess that is BfA too

[harsh mason]

Yes, I agree. Should they? I mean, it's not that we should feel sorry for them, but about what Fyrakk is

[uncut vault]

Okay but why should we care when he doesn’t do it to anything that matters?

He’s avoiding the places we care about like Valdrakken for plot reasons, which doesn’t make him feel like an actual threat despite what characters are saying

A random patch of ice and a random cliffside aren’t exactly areas we’re invested in for the assaults either lol

[harsh mason]

Well, you can write about any villain. Like, Arthas didn't attack Dalaran, even though the city was flying almost next to his citadel. Deathwing did not even reach Orgrimmar, the Legion for the entire exp maximum attacked only the Tauren villages in hightmount.

Were they also not perceived as a threat? This is despite the fact that DF were initially positioned by the developers as an exp without a big threat, more peaceful

[uncut vault]

I mean, yes, those are also writing issues with other villains lol

[harsh mason]

Although, as a result, the threat from Freak is no less than from Arthas or Burning legion (judging by what they all did)

[uncut vault]

I mean no, those xpacs had massively larger villain presence

Arthas was in every zone causing issues, the Legion was a very presently shown worldwide threat all throughout the xpac

And they were like that because the expansion presented them as such, the intended vibe of the expansion was about those dire threats

[harsh mason]

They also just showed up and didn't do anything that would cause a threat. Yes, Arthas appeared in every zone, but the most he did was threaten us verbally and run away. Deathwing just flew around the locations (but did nothing within the framework of the plot( wounded Alex and flew away)). He didn't even really appear after 4.0 and before 4.3.

As for me, these are quibbles, and unreasonable. I repeat, DF is not even positioned by exp with a big threat

[uncut vault]

Yes which… is the issue we’re talking about lol. Because the incarnates are a massive threat, they are actively seeking to destroy the world as we know it in multiple ways

But they’re not presented as such towards things that matter, and the expansion is going for a very lowkey and character-driven vibe

Which isn’t a bad thing to do, but the corresponding threats need to be of equal measure

[warm topaz]

did we see this yesterday?

wow gamepass?

[upper pasture]

if true looks like i'm saving money

[silent urchin]

It's from an internal merger proposal presentation. It is far from something that is guaranteed to happen

[dense plover]

^^^^^^^

100000% this

gamepass would be a loss for WoW

because it would cost them money

unless it was just the free trial on gamepass as a way to expose the game to more customers

[tepid fiber]

Are there any other subscription service games that have their subscription bonuses included with gamepass?

[dense plover]

i dont think so

i dont think any sub based games are even on gamepass

i know ESO isnt

[tepid fiber]

Exactly

[dense plover]

i mean, they even put guitar hero on the graphic

that game isnt on PC and hasnt had a new game in forever

[tepid fiber]

Like if it did happen it would set a precedent but I don't see it happening

[tepid fiber]

Mhm

[dense plover]

its just examples of games

[tepid fiber]

Which kinda sucks--loved guitar hero lmao

[dense plover]

its hard because of licensing

[tepid fiber]

Oh absolutely

[molten niche]

well ea plus does and i tihnk the ubisoft as well

[tepid fiber]

Subscription service games, not premium game subscriptions

Two different creatures entirely

[short prism]

apparently for eso, they get access to the base game on game pass and a 10% discount on crowns

i wonder what wow’s equivalent to that would be

maybe an enhanced trial that lets you get past level 20?

[molten niche]

doubt it.

[upper pasture]

but isn't ESO F2P anyways? except for current expansion? the sub just gets you basically the shop currency?

[short prism]

it used to not be

[upper pasture]

yes but that was like year one

[short prism]

it was on game pass when you still had to buy the base game

[upper pasture]

and it failed so it's now F2P

or you sub for "free" shop points

and you still have to buy the current expansion to play that stuff

[short prism]

the free to play change for the base game was a change that happened like, a couple years ago

far after it’s initial failure

[upper pasture]

are you sure? i'm pretty sure they swapped to F2P like a year after launch? although i could be wrong

[short prism]

yeah

i’m even finding articles as recent as 2021 talking about how the game is normally 20$ but was free on epic games for a sec

[upper pasture]

oh man that came out in 2014/2015

it dropped the sub based requirement when it launch for consoles....in 2015

so a year after it came out you could just play it

oh i guess that's still not F2P technically, i was just speaking from a sub based verison of the game

[deep pawn]

I mean gamepass would make sense if Microsoft really wants to get new people playing

[upper pasture]

i mean, if microsoft wants to lose money sure

the amount of long term players they would gain from it would not outweight the amount of players they have now that also have GP.

[deep pawn]

I don't have gamepass.

[tepid fiber]

Gamepass would make sense if there were other examples of subscription service games to base the assumption off of, but now the speculation is off of baseless assumptions

[upper pasture]

great

[tepid fiber]

ESO like lehrdaniel mentioned isn't even a true subscription service game so you can't go off of that

[subtle oar]

Oh boy, are we arguing against putting wow on Game Pass?

[upper pasture]

honestly like i said before i'm all for it since it would save me money each month but i really don't see it happening. the amount of money that's stood to be lost over it is too great in hopes of getting new players who buy cosmetics/tokens/gamepass subs.

logically from a business stand point it doesn't make sense.

[deep pawn]

unless it pumps up game pass numbers and that's better for them?

[fiery island]

It's not likely, but the question is: would it be good for the game?

Like would it improve Warcraft if we had an influx of GamePass capital G Gamers?

[upper pasture]

but that's the thing. gamepass is what 15 bucks a month now that's the cost of a wow sub. a new player isn't gonna just sub to GP for WoW to try it. a gamepass subscriber would try out wow since they already pay for GP. the only thing is see adding WoW to GP doing is losing MS money and gaining new temp players who are gonna try it out since it's on GP.

since they are gonna lose out on all the subs they current get 12/15 a month for. i mean sure not all WoW players have GP but i'm willing to bet a lot of them do.

and if it's anymore than half then it's a loss.

to get potential players

I mean they could also do the ESO route which would keep the sub for say additional tenders for subs to spend each month but i'm sure that would go over well

[tepid fiber]

Not arguing against, just arguing against the logic that it would. Of course it would be nice to bundle subscription games into subscription services, super affordable, would be super convenient, but it would also be super convenient to be able to shoot lasers out of my eyes that make fully cooked and seasoned plates and dishes of meats and pies materialize out of thin air

There's no precedent or logic for WoW being placed on gamepass. Not arguing against it, but more stating that there's no likelihood or reason to expect it to do so

[chrome sparrow]

is M+ going to be open again this week?

[warm topaz]

we don't know, probably, they have to test Throne of Tides and Everbloom

• RP thing on Dawn of the Infinite

[chrome sparrow]

ok thank you

[upper pasture]

more players are always a good thing.

[tepid fiber]

More players are, more Gamers™ aren't

[upper pasture]

fair lol

[deep pawn]

game pass folk may actually use in game voice chat

[upper pasture]

if they do i don't think we'd want them to

[fiery island]

Cringe

[deep pawn]

joking cause they use in game in other games

[fiery island]

Oh I know I'm just saying the thought makes me cringe 😂

[chrome sparrow]

PTR restarting does that mean new build coming soon

[uncut vault]

Most likely, yes

vendor build just got pushed

[warm topaz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1043942935756021852/1051836488419115038/ezgif.com-gif-maker_12.gif

[silent urchin]

so wowhead are datamining (although that build number was for 10.1.7 rather than 10.2?) but build doesn't seem to be out yet?

Or is the "10.1.7" build actually a 10.2 one

[harsh mason]

Apparently the build is already there

[silent urchin]

ah now I'm getting it

crashing on entering world tho

[warm topaz]

vibes of Tomb of Sargeras

[rain cave]

is that a new damage type?

[vernal juniper]

why they adding ulduar

stuff

[deep pawn]

what would plague damage even be? Disease and?

[rain cave]

sounds like it's related to the decay magic

I remember they added cosmic damage in 9.2 with sepulcher which made sense

and they've used it for other stuff like the void wanderer trinket thing

perhaps they have some more stuff planned for the plague gnolls

10.2.5 perhaps?

[warm topaz]

order magic too

[silent urchin]

shadow and nature for plague, I assume

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Plague_(spell_school) necrotic strike has done it since 7.0

actually even earlier for a gargoyle ability

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1704612452866940942

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

In Patch 10.2 Class Trials will now start in front of Wrathion (Alliance) or Ebyssian (Horde)

Twitter · Sep 20, 2023, 9:44 PM

there is no way a world revamp on next exp

at least not a full one

[pulsar minnow]

Well we know that dragonflight is going to replace bfa as the leveling experience for new players

They could make the world revamp endgame

[warm topaz]

for me that doesn't make any sense

why would you revamp the ogs continents just for the endgame

[deep pawn]

cause the cata revamp was massively criticized for some end game players NEVER seeing 80% of the work done

You're not going to see the old world revamped for levelling until they make it the new default after Dragonflight

so, 12.0 they'll sunset the old capitals for new players or something

[dense plover]

i really dont see a world revamp happening in 11.0

[silent urchin]

I can see a partial revamp. But they don't want to be as drastic as cata, and probably not all at once

Hmm. I can log in to a level 45 druid on ptr, but level 70 priest and DK instantly crash

even fresh copies

[dense plover]

load screen is working

THEY FINALLY FIXED THE TAUREN DRUID CELESTIAL MOONKIN BUG

FUCKING FINALLY

[deep pawn]

I dunno, I'd love to see old world redone even if it's just max level content and a tad smaller with combined zones

[silent urchin]

yeah none of my actual characters work

class trials do, and low level ones

[dense plover]

new quest?

[deep pawn]

yeah

[dense plover]

yep

[deep pawn]

People in another discord whining they aren't encrypted

[deep pawn]

but... the netherwing are doubly mutated primal dragons lol

[subtle oar]

They were Black Dragons/Black Dragon eggs irrevecobly changed by the explosion of arcane energy that destroyed Draenor and turned it into Outland

[deep pawn]

that's what I said

[warm topaz]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1704634155399827752/photo/2

Ellie - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturn)

INV_Cape_Special_Terrarium_C_01 🤔

Twitter · Sep 20, 2023, 11:10 PM

[deep pawn]

Hmm, combine that with Towelie's "You keep thinking on top of the water"

[warm topaz]

i would like to see something like Luffy going to Gyojin

a ship submerging to get somewhere

[dense plover]

preview is working - fingers crossed that this actually works now

glad to finally have a different load screen for this expac tho

they fixed her not having horns

yup it works now

[deep pawn]

Towellie deleted his clip about the next expac

Too much of a clue clearly

[warm topaz]

what clip

[deep pawn]

He made a clip saying, "Y'all keep talking about the the ocean, you're thinking too much about the surface"

Initial joke responses were "air"

[warm topaz]

could Avaloren be Underwater?

[upper pasture]

man, if they give us another underwaterzone i'll be mad

they have never been done well and it's never any fun lol

[deep pawn]

did you not like Nazjatar?

[warm topaz]

i didnt mean Underwater

just something like Nazjatar

or Gyojin island

[upper pasture]

Nazjatar wasn't underwater tho

[deep pawn]

And I doubt we'd be swimming in another sea based expansion either unless they make dragon riding function identical.

[tepid fiber]

Vashj'ir was an incredibly fun underwater zone, and still one of my favorite Cata zones to this day, but unfortunately true underwater zones aren't very popular which is why we never saw another one like it properly

[deep pawn]

I liked it too I'll admit

It just was "slower" than Hyjal

[upper pasture]

honestly, i hated it.

[deep pawn]

I loved running along the sea floor and how fast the seahorse was

People have done the Odyn scenario already

It goes exactly as you'd expect

I'm putting money down on allied Naga and we're gonna see a testable version of their starting zone at Blizzcon

[upper pasture]

i think the chances of us getting another playable race so shortly after dracthyr are slim

[deep pawn]

Dracthyr were exceedingly popular and as they proved, they don't even need to make armor work on them

[upper pasture]

never said they were a failure. i just don't think blizzard will be too keen on adding another playable race so shortly after giving us one already

[deep pawn]

a new race is less work than a whole new class usually

[upper pasture]

since all that goes into adding races into the game especially ones that can have 20 years worth of backlog armor that needs to be made sure it fits appropriately

and getting neither means more room for an expansion and all that that would encompass

[deep pawn]

That's why I say Naga wouldn't, follow the Dracthyr example and make their "illusion" forms night elf based with scales

we've shown we'll tolerate shoulders, belts, and tabards

[upper pasture]

if you think for one bit the community is gonna sit there and take another race being added which is just dracthyr but fish scales instead of dragonscales especially after we just got that. you're insane. they would light torches and march onto BlizzHQ on just the thought of it.

plus you think we're getting naga now because of one persons deleted tweet?

[deep pawn]

People have begged for Naga since classic and we've always been told they can't wear pants, what about mounts, etc. Mechagnomes and Dracthyr remove those complaints

[upper pasture]

why would the naga even want to side with us?

[deep pawn]

And I had my allied Naga scenario months ago, I can find my initial mmoc post I made where it's light vs void and Azshara helps us first against the Light so she can nom on a dark Naaru at the end of the first raid

The Naga that help the factions find they like us and super void empowered Azshara does something beyond the pale even for them.

[upper pasture]

storywise that would all need to take place before said naga joining our ranks for it to even remotely make sense

[deep pawn]

Why would it? If Yrel attacks and takes over large chunks of Azeroth and we're on the back heel, we'd need to accept aid when offered

Even if we know she'd betray us in a second

Like Naga and Ogre are the last wc3 races not playable.

[short prism]

naga are also one of the races metzen originally wanted to be playable for the game, supposedly the one he was least happy to see unplayable

[upper pasture]

i'm not saying the community doesn't want them but if they are done just like dracthyr but "lol fish scales" there will be an uproar.

look at the masses whenever we get "repeat" M+ dungeons in a later season

[short prism]

i think if we get naga, it wouldn’t ONLY be naga

there’s a lot of different races/subraces they have set up, we’ll just have to wait and see for sure, but i wouldn’t mind a naga honestly

very different vibe tm to dracthyr, even though they’re both scaled

[upper pasture]

i wouldn't mind any new races as long as blizzard gives me more character slots to go with them

[deep pawn]

I don't think there'd be an uproar since the naga forms would likley have just as much customization as Dracthyr

June 3rd was the first time I posted my Homecoming idea that included playable naga

How else would you do Naga to give them a way to use some flyable mounts and also not just be giant sea monsters while in town?

an illusion form like Azshara works best and just say their magic isn't as strong as hers thus the aquatic nature of them

[pulsar minnow]

Okay Dracthyr are a special case when it comes to people tolerating a lack of armor

[upper pasture]

my brother, i need you to listen (read) what i'm saying. i'm not saying that's not how to handle it but NOT SO SOON AFTER DRACTHYR

[pulsar minnow]

It’s literally a reason why some people won’t even touch the race/class

It’s only made “okay” by making it so that they have a visage form

Naga don’t really have visage forms, and giving them visage forms would be pretty lazy

[upper pasture]

it also wouldn't make sense, we've never seen a naga shapeshift

dragons do it all the time

[pulsar minnow]

I can’t see naga playable

Maybe some new species of naga? Sure

But if we get an underwater expansion or smth id put my money on Jinyu, Ankoan, or some other new branch of the two

[upper pasture]

i just don't see how we'd get a new race so shortly after we got a new race. have we ever gotten a new race added to playable PCs back to back?

[deep pawn]

mop to wod may as well have been with the race refreshes

[upper pasture]

okay so no

[pulsar minnow]

It def could happen tbh

I just doubt it’ll be naga. There’s a point where a lack of armor displaying becomes an issue, Dracthyr get around it by essentially being like a “Druid form”

[deep pawn]

People would excuse it for Naga since they've literally wanted them since original beta

Monks would be a bigger issue than an illusion form

[dense plover]

think items saying their season is new, right?

[upper pasture]

showing it's upgrade track post season is definitely new

[dense plover]

idk if races and WQs were in the last build either

[deep pawn]

some WQs were but I don't know about race ones

[dense plover]

wtf? i think thats fyrakk?

[glass flicker]

It's obviously Unknown, the next main boss!

[dense plover]

got a seed from the coaleseced dream stuff

somnuts are little treasures that consistently give small dreamseeds

i used a plump dreamseed that i got from a coalesced dream essence chest thing for that one

podling

it gave me an old boot

im upset

small seed has a different bag

qonzu's questline gets you a druid form

picking up this quest breaks the quest tracker tho

broken quest that you cant abandon b/c it doesnt have a header

3 types of seed - your first one gives a quest that explains this

next quest needs me to do 5 of each type of seed throughout my time in the dream

so im guessing itll be a substantial reward

so - stuff is LESS broken

but stuff is still VERY broken

[lone mantle]

The new zone appears to be truly remarkable.

[uncut vault]

Yeah there's a bunch of the campaign stuff that improperly encrypted around the raid entrance

leads to some funny moments like him randomly killing you with no registered damage lines or debuffs

[deep pawn]

apparently that naga item is a back mog item

that seems to imply either it's future trading post or maybe shop, if this patch is coming post Blizzcon surely Blizzcon cosmetics wouldn't be in it right?

[upper pasture]

naga item?

you mean dreadlord wings?

oh the clam shell orb thingy

[deep pawn]

terrarium

[rain cave]

it's fascinating watching blizzard try and push throw glaive as a build

[dense plover]

Not necessarily a naga thing. Just sea related

The internal name doesn’t mention naga

[harsh mason]

Too late, now naga expansion time

[pulsar minnow]

I think maybe a rework of underwater mounts like what they did for dragonriding could be really awesome

https://images.newindianexpress.com/uploads/user/imagelibrary/2023/6/6/w1200X800/visually_splendid.jpg

This sorta vibe to an expansion with some void temples and whatnot in the south seas would be freakin awesome imo

[chrome sparrow]

is M+ going to come back today on PTR?

[warm topaz]

some time this week

they have to test Everbloom + Throne of the Tides

[dense plover]

Hard to pull off

[pulsar minnow]

Maybe? Yes. But not impossible

[sleek solar]

Copium

[pulsar minnow]

I mean they did dragonriding

[crystal pond]

Its not hard its just difficult with wow code

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I know but they pulled off dragonriding and I’m thinking of kinda the same thing with water

This is pretty similar. Surge forward, ascend (like jumping out of the water and back in), you get the idea

[ember blaze]

Wow2 when

[upper pasture]

honestly? hopefully never

[short prism]

i hate that every wow 2 proposal by gamers always includes a “swap to more realistic graphics” now that i’m thinking ab it

it’s crazy to me how loud some ppl are that hate the stylized look

[crystal pond]

I dont want to see realistic vulperas

[harsh mason]

We already have wow 9

[crystal pond]

Wow 9 at home ☝️

[short prism]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-taxidermy-dog-gif-14593541

[young latch]

I can't believe they murdered the witch hat by disabling hair

Ruins the whole look. I'm super sad about it. Lol.

[young latch]

I think the mistake was making the stakes this high for what really should have been small character beats and personal infighting. Any of these raids could have been about a sibling brawl or a political drama or an intellectual feud over a scientific discovery. Instead it's more apocalyptic level stuff.

[young latch]

Plus, to me the issue here was that... if you're going to kill off characters actually do it? The majority of the niffens are still there. Felt like there was no actual consequence to that occuring.

I think the niffens were just a huge miss in general. I think they're cute and have neat architecture but I just don't think it was the right time or place to add a quirky new character race when there's a lot of development they could be doing with races that exist. Like, the drogbar coming back was great. But there's still next to no lore or story about them.

It's a bit silly to me that they had a huge opportunity to write about a subterranean race helping the black dragons when the dwarves are right there.

[deep pawn]

Niffen were the best thing of this patch

[harsh mason]

I'm sure it's just a bug on the ptr, lol. For some reason, people perceive PTR as a game. This is literally a test server

[austere gazelle]

they pushed momentum, so what do you expect...

anyway the DH changes are welcomed, the momentum pressure gameplay is lifted

[young latch]

Considering how much clipping there is it might not be a bug. They did this before with the legion wickett witch hats and changed the look last minute.

So I'm extremely nervous about it. 😦

[silent urchin]

I can't see it going live with hair. It would be a huge, huge amount of work to get hair to work without clipping

[ember blaze]

I want a game without the limitations wow has because it’s a 100 year old game.

You can keep the look.

The cartoon style ages well.

[subtle oar]

O.o

[ember blaze]

[short prism]

real. if there were a way to move us to a new engine, that’d be ideal

i think the closest we’ll get is via ship of theseus’ing the current engine

[ember blaze]

I have no idea what this means

[short prism]

replacing all the parts of the engine until all of them are replaced

the whole thing ab the ship of Theseus is like. if you replace all the planks on a ship over time, is it still the same ship, or is it now a different ship

[ember blaze]

[fiery island]

I just don't want to see Vulperas

[fiery island]

After years of disagreeing with the concept, I'm willing to sacrifice my 13 level capped toons, mounts and everything if we can get a fully reworked "WoW 2"

[glass flicker]

The engine is not the issue. It's the spaghetti code they've had to clear and squish every expansion.

[fiery island]

It's the engine from WC3 dude, it's gotta be a factor

[glass flicker]

EverQuest, actually.

[fiery island]

EVEN WORSE

[glass flicker]

It's held up for twenty years and you're still getting seamless online, with smooth gameplay and constantly improving graphics.

If you think the engine is the problem, you should do more research.

[fiery island]

I'm not saying it's the problem, I'm saying it's a problem

20 years of spaghetti code is another

[glass flicker]

In fairness to them, they have somehow managed to make even that work.

[fiery island]

I agree, they've done a great job. I think a clean slate would enable them to do worlds better

I know he's controversial but I've really appreciated Asmongold's recent take that the game is just too much right now. Too many years of layering shit on top of shit, it's time for a clean board.

[glass flicker]

Yet, they don't. Because that would be disrespectful to loyal players.

Imagine having played WoW since day one, the servers one day shut down and Blizzard says "try this new game, it's only a terabyte bigger!"

[subtle oar]

No thanks. Im not willing to give up anything on my acc for such an extreme gamble

[fiery island]

Been playing since BC dude, I wouldn't feel disrespected.

[glass flicker]

The game is too much because they keep trying to reinvent the wheel rather than fixing it. Dragonflight is a step in the right direction, but I still have my gripes.

And one of them is to stop adding new continents or planets for a while. Just reuse old areas, bring them to modern standards, and tell us how things have changed.

Like they did Darkshore and Arathi. But better.

[subtle oar]

Its not.In Legion and BfA, the majority of the old code was removed and upgraded. This is known to us. They are Ship of Thesius'ing the Engine as the game evolves. I really hate this "WoW needs a new engine" argument as its non-sensical

[fiery island]

I have a buddy that just started playing. Watching a new player overcome the barrier to entry to learn the game, the amount of addons he installed, how much I had to walk him through setting shit up, it's too much. There's a limit to how much we can cater to "loyal players" and still have a thriving community

[fiery island]

Tell me that rebuilding from the ground up with modern technologies from day 1 would not make for a better experience, as long as the ol' "Blizzard Polish" was present

[glass flicker]

Of course he'd be overwhelmed if you tell him "yeah, you need seventeen different addons with nineteen computational utilities that feed you information through an algorithm"

[subtle oar]

No, it wouldn't

[fiery island]

I don't reconfigure 20 year end of life routers at work when we need to upgrade the network, we replace the hardware

[subtle oar]

I am not willing to give up anything on my acc for such an extreme gamble

Especially not my Pandaren

[ember blaze]

why would anything have to be given up

[fiery island]

Cool, that's you

[glass flicker]

Yeah, it's non-sensical to ask for such a big order and do it well, too.

[fiery island]

FFXIV ARR begs to differ

[subtle oar]

Dwarf wants the current game to be completely scrapped and a new one made

[glass flicker]

A Realm Reborn isn't WoW.

[subtle oar]

That is an extreme case.

[fiery island]

It's a case of excellence

Which should be striven for

[glass flicker]

They didn't have twenty years of expansions and content.

[subtle oar]

Same goes for you. It is a very VERY small minority of players who actually want what you so

[glass flicker]

A Realm Reborn simply wasn't as large a scope as WoW 2 would be.

[subtle oar]

No. It is a case of a game being so absolutely unplayable having to be taken offline and remade because it was killing the franchise it was tied to.

[fiery island]

They made the old game tolerably playable whilst also making 2.0 concurrently

[glass flicker]

Yeah? They got thousands of devs.

That's not an achievement.

[fiery island]

Update the old world like you said, tell us what's happened, start there

[subtle oar]

There is no need for an ARR style remake of WoW

[fiery island]

Not a large scope

[glass flicker]

Yeah, okay, but that's a world revamp, not a game revamp.

[fiery island]

If a Giant Sword can drain our artifacts, if RPG sequels can write a character nerf into the story, WoW can explain what happened to make us have to start over

[subtle oar]

No

[glass flicker]

You're basically demanding an elephant for the price of cat food.

[fiery island]

I'm not demanding anything that is a huge escalation

[subtle oar]

You are

[fiery island]

https://tenor.com/view/siutbot-angry-wojak-gif-22173359

[glass flicker]

And not to address the discord mod in the room, but the development of WoW 2 would literally take a decade, if not more.

[fiery island]

I'm stating support for a direction that they might take, Dragonflight is a step in the right direction but the numbers don't lie. The game is retaining, but it's not recruiting or drawing people to return.

[glass flicker]

That's on Blizzard refusing to add new repeatable content that isn't boring and spans for longer than one expansion.

[subtle oar]

You

[glass flicker]

If you hate m+ and you know it, clap your hands.

[fiery island]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[fiery island]

Hard to make enough content to make perpetually online dweebs happy

[subtle oar]

My guy, you're demanding extremes for non-sensical reasons.

[glass flicker]

#DevelopItYourself

[fiery island]

Already addressed this, you're still on this?

[glass flicker]

You want new players in WoW? Disable all computational addons and only leave in UI and art addons.

That way, it won't be only 0.8% of players who ever do mythic raids.

Mechanics will get easier, more people will hit the skill floor, and more people the skill ceiling.

[fiery island]

Agreed. And while you're at it, simplify difficulty to where the computational addons don't become the socially mandatory meta to replace skill

[glass flicker]

No GTFO or DBM telling you "GET OUT OF DA FIRE" - let it be your GM screaming that into your mic.

[fiery island]

Mythic raiding should not constitute a part time job

[subtle oar]

I disagree with this as well.

[glass flicker]

Ok. Elaborate.

[subtle oar]

I love my addons like Details and Weakauras.

[glass flicker]

That's fair.

I just want DBM gone.

[fiery island]

The devs just really gotta start ignoring people that play 30+ hours a week

[subtle oar]

A. I dont. B. Still a yikes to disregard anyones opinion

[glass flicker]

Addons that tell you "yo, boss doin' dis, do dis" are bad for the game.

[fiery island]

By catering to that opinion, the game alienates a huge portion of its dedicated fan base

[subtle oar]

Yeah no.

[glass flicker]

It's annoying to disregard anyone's opinion. Ask them to elaborate and if they don't convince you, make a better argument.

[fiery island]

Uh, yeah. People have lives. Jobs, families, responsibilities. Yet they're still capable of and crave playing the game. But in its current state, its alienating a ton of otherwise dedicated players. There's a reason classic is so big. I prefer retail, but there's a middle ground that can be struck

It took me ages to find a guild of like minded folks to form a semi-casual AOTC crew. 6 hours or less of raiding/ week

[glass flicker]

Yeah, that's also an issue with WoW. It's a huge time commitment.

[fiery island]

It doesn't have to be, there's improvements to the game that can be made to streamline shit

But certain folks will moan that it's "too easy for the casuals"

[glass flicker]

Most WoW players are currently either college students looking for escapism or thirty-somethings that are balding and curse Sylvanas for being evil but kinda hot.

Neither have enough time between school, work, and Twitter.

[fiery island]

I barely find the time between work, school, gym, family & friends. I'm rapidly approaching the point I've been dreading since I started playing in middle school: I might finally have to give it up. I fucking will to be a present father when my child arrives but it'd be nice to see the game get more streamlined and easier to do

I'm skilled, I've gotten AOTC every single tier I've been subbed for. But the time commitment outside of raid to stay up on that performance is getting worse over time. And I think trickle down from catering to World First is a big culprit

[glass flicker]

Quite simple. Just add NPCs you can do dungeons with so people won't have to sit in LFG for hours.

[fiery island]

Its just an RPG at that point, you've stripped the MMO out of it.

[glass flicker]

Tell that to the bots you've likely never noticed.

[fiery island]

I don't get the bot outrage

[glass flicker]

Good.

[fiery island]

It doesn't affect me in my day to day in the game xD

[glass flicker]

Be grateful for that.

[ember blaze]

maybe

youd have to redesign a lot of mechanics

[glass flicker]

Finally, someone with an IQ higher than the room temperature.

Of Alaska.

[ember blaze]

most people got you beat then

anyways, i wonder if that would really be better for the game

[glass flicker]

It was a compliment, but ok. Could be a hundred degrees.

[ember blaze]

like a game like lost ark, i guess a lot of things are telegraphed, but even with that i found a lot of mechanics being very difficult to see

or just know that theyre happening

[glass flicker]

It'd be cool if they had FFXIV-like telegraphs where the AoE is just a clear outline on the ground rather than a swirly.

Maybe even code it so every mechanic has a base look to it. Direct AoE hits are a clear outline, mechanics where stacking is required could have an outline and a bullseye marker, etc.

Simplify things in a way that makes you be able to read mechanics during the fight and at first glance.

"Oh, this has a bullseye, we have to stack!"

[ember blaze]

tho if neltharion is anything to go by to what it might look like in WoW...

then no ty

cause the bomb mechanics which they made it so weakauras couldnt tell you where to go

and then having a few seconds to figure out where to go

and a few inches to play with

good thing people found a workaround for the mechanics

[glass flicker]

Remove that mechanic, Jesus.

[ember blaze]

then having to figure out a portal to stand on

but yeah id definitely be concerned with a world without addons and being unable to track certain timers

like for raszageth it definitely helped me remember the order of things being able to see what was coming up

[glass flicker]

I don't get why they don't just have a default timer on that.

Debuffs have a timer. Just use that.

[deep pawn]

they are, ai stuff is in the files now

[upper pasture]

what's crazy is you don't really need DBM or GTFO in anything just people feel like they need it and so it's installed. hell i haven't raided with DBM in forever

all DBM and GTFO does is streamline the mechanics of fights. if you know the fight you don't need the addon /shrug

[short prism]

It’s as simple as just having notes on the side, it would accomplish the same thing, it’s just a way to have them on screen

also, i’m genuinely surprised people think the game is too much of a dedication right now

i barely play and i got AOTC so far. games like FFXIV and GW2 feel like far more time commitments than modern wow, especially to new players (just got a friend into wow and it’s incredibly easy to get the hook on it now. no azerite or torghast weirdness)

[young latch]

"Make people use the bald option in the barber shop if they don't want clipping" is such an easy solution to letting the hair that works stay.

@silent urchin You know what still does clip? Egregiously?

Any elf ear, which is the majority of the player base.

Free the damn hair.

[rain cave]

Save barber shop customisation as part of a saved transmog set?

That could be a good thing

[glass flicker]

Or, and here's a great take, have hairstyles that work with specific hats.

Like ponytails with the Shado-Pan hat.

There's a night elf in a ponytail as a monk NPC in Legion, and she wears that hat.

[young latch]

The issue is that they haven't implimented this and might never do it.

Also, one of the blood helf hairs worked perfectly with no clipping.

They should just do an enable/disable toggle for all hairs and make more hairs.

[glass flicker]

Yeah, I agree.

[young latch]

but like we are in the year 2023 of our lord and they still have not done anything to enable hairstyles with hats across the board

it's been more than 15 years for a thing so simple lol

That's why I just want them to make a hat with hair item now and then work out the issues later

[glass flicker]

See, I think they should have specific hairstyles that work with every hat, and just force change to it when a hat is worn.

Short ponytail, long ponytail, short, and long. Clipping is unavoidable, so just make them thin on the top so they don't clip through the top of the hats.

[rain cave]

Maybe some hats could have built in hair?

That takes your hair color

[glass flicker]

Exactly.

Just look at the Haliscan Hat.

It gives you a bun.

Now, it would be better if it could take the color of your hair.

But if you have black hair, it's basically a bun.

[young latch]

I think the toggle solves this the most elegantly instead of having assigned hairstyles per hat.

Let the players choose which hair they want.

[glass flicker]

Oh, add this toggle with weapons, too.

Whether to sheathe them on the hip or the back.

I dream of the day my warrior can have her 2H sword on her hip.

[uncut lintel]

😏

[bronze holly]

A new option? or was that added with 10.0?

[harsh mason]

yea, new

hmmmm

[warm topaz]

10.2 yeah

[spring mulch]

What's Feral Dreamstone

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=427813/combine-the-vials

[upper pasture]

super moon juice

[upper pasture]

Hmmm Igira doesn’t have a loot table yet and she’s know to craft weapons? Maybe she will drop the start of the legendary axe quest and we power it up until it can consume fyrakk’s axe

“ Driven by cruelty, Igira is able to forge devastating weapons from the screams of her enemies. Within the verdant realm of the Emerald Dream, the torturer seeks to expand her arsenal.”

It’s safe to assume she crafted his armor and possibly the weapon itself too

[deep pawn]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1705313777099448456?s=20

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

Brace yourselves…

BlizzCon is coming.

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[warm topaz]

Tindral is a lot of fun

[upper pasture]

is that the DR raid fight?

[warm topaz]

yeah

[upper pasture]

i'm very excited to do that fight lol

[warm topaz]

a lot of conversation on mmo-c abt this

https://twitter.com/wowexdev

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are really people tired of shadow/void/undead stuff.?

[harsh mason]

Like a leak?

[warm topaz]

yeah the guy posted some screenshots a while ago

his profile pic etc..

[harsh mason]

I don't remember how long before the announcement of the previous exp there were Real leaks? Type of name for BfA or art with Alex

[warm topaz]

days before announcement

[harsh mason]

Well, I like the art on his profile

[silent urchin]

is that the same AI stuff that's been shown before

[warm topaz]

everything is AI this day

even when they release the CGI cinematic soomeone is going to say is AI

[harsh mason]

But the art with locations is too bright and "acidic"

[warm topaz]

"In the end, it would be a HUGE mistake if they did a void expansion."

i don't agree on that

not at all

[harsh mason]

A lot of people are waiting for void and epic, as well as a lot who are not waiting. So here, in any case, someone will be happy, and someone not

Personally, I will be glad to see any variants, but not on another planet.

[pulsar minnow]

Legion handled cosmic threats best. They came to Azeroth, we drive them back, we finish the story in their territory

Otherwise we encounter the Shadowlands problem

[tepid fiber]

Remember when everyone shat on Legion during Legion

[upper pasture]

legion was also a threat that was in the game since the beginning tho

[pulsar minnow]

I never did tbh 🤷‍♂️

Loved legion all the way thru

[pulsar minnow]

The void has also been a threat for a while

[upper pasture]

that's the real problem is we don't have threats that are multi expansion encompassing

[pulsar minnow]

Except maybe Iridikron 😎

[upper pasture]

i hope so, and i've said so since the end of the first raid if they want us to take these threats to heart they can't be dealt with right away

honestly, I think we need an expansion that ends with us failing instead of winning the big fight

[pulsar minnow]

The point of DF at least what I’ve felt- the theme is renewal. It’s a soft reboot

Setting up new villains and storylines to make expansions out of

[pulsar minnow]

Ig we partially failed in DF? Galakrond has this “unending hunger lost to the ages”

And Iridikron took it

[upper pasture]

well we haven't seen how that's played out yet, but yes Iridikron is making moves and distracting us with other things while he obtains his own goals. is it gonna be resolved before 11.0? i sure hope not but

[pulsar minnow]

Agreed

[upper pasture]

but tbh he's running out of pawns come the end of 10.2

[pulsar minnow]

Yeahhh…

I swear if they make him a gul’dan (they probably will) who dies randomly at the end of the first patch…

[upper pasture]

he better hope whoever was on the other side of that void gate has a lot of power and allies

[pulsar minnow]

I really wanna see Xal’Ataths true form. Or whatever the fuck she is

Also as a side note, I think it would be hilarious if Iridikron was successful in bringing the titans attention back to Azeroth, but they send illidan instead who kills Iridikron just like gul Dan

[deep pawn]

Players ripped the hell out of Blizzard for "wasting Argus"

[tepid fiber]

I mean it's not called Worlds of Warcraft (legal disclaimer I'm making a jokey joke)

[upper pasture]

What a funny gumball

[warm topaz]

wasting Argus, Nazjatar and Emerald Dream

Bedge

[upper pasture]

But seriously all I want out of the next expansion is player/guild housing in some form (that has depth) and || mission boards 😦 ||

God I know most of the player base hated them but fuck free gold amirite?

[upper pasture]

I mean…tbf they have said that this is just a piece of the dream not the whole

[warm topaz]

yeah like is fine for me

those 3 for me are good

[deep pawn]

they kept nerfing mission boards cause people hated them

[upper pasture]

Oh I know why they did it, I would just like them to come back because I didn’t mind them and it was just another solo player thing

[short prism]

i honestly didn’t mind the shadowlands mission board that much. that iteration felt very like…non-mandartory content.

do it if you want to get some of the pets or if you like the autochess lite of it

id lowkey love a legit warcraft autochess lol

[deep pawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/488504323375104022/1154919798778626058/IMG_3617.webp

that is also "scaleface" 's new profile pic on mmoc

and he had dracthyr first

looks a bit too much ff14's Void for my liking haha

[warm topaz]

wow is more blue

[deep pawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/488504323375104022/1154921024295534692/IMG_3618.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWk8TTTWYAALXRw?format=jpg&name=large

[obtuse vine]

AI

[deep pawn]

I mean these are guys who have had access to media material before so, I wouldn't be that quick

[ember blaze]

Before reveal?

[upper pasture]

like a day or so

[ember blaze]

Also does that even look like wow

[upper pasture]

these "leaks" came waaaayyy to early to be real

[obtuse vine]

Idk these pics scream midjourney to me, because I used it myself to generate art for my characters for RP

[deep pawn]

We know the devs are using some AI tools to upscale old armor resolutions

[upper pasture]

upscaling armor and creating new content are not the same

[obtuse vine]

This is what I generated with a few simple prompts earlier in the year, midjourney only got more advanced since then. I could just slap a “in development” text on these post them somewhere and refuse to elaborate

AI got so advanced I refuse to trust leaks now unless it “screams” it’s legit

[deep pawn]

The second pic that says In development is actual legit screenshots from ff14, I used it as a comparison about "purples"

[upper pasture]

thank you i was about to resub to MJ to make some of these to show just how easy it would be to fake something

[deep pawn]

I don't like the neon world imagery of the twitter pics myself

I really wanted old world revamp

[upper pasture]

okay and? those are "leaks" nothing is even close to being confirmed

[short prism]

truth, personally though, i wouldn’t mind that kind of vibe

[dense plover]

Do we know this??

[short prism]

it’s not upscaling resolutions, it’s fitting the armor to player models that it’s being used for

[dense plover]

oh

clever

[short prism]

AI resolution upscaling is being recommended on twitter though, and it’s quite possibly gonna happen

it would help improve the player models ten fold

[deep pawn]

there's been posts of them making much higher resolution stuff on ptr

I can't remember if it was on twitter or mmoc but it was right when the ptr first came up maybe

like they're taking old armor textures and making their resolutions like 3x as big

[dense plover]

yeah but theres no evidence its AI

especially because if it WAS AI, why would they only do a few sets and not hundreds?

[deep pawn]

testing out the process to see if it's suitable?

I'll admit I can't tell a difference on the actual armor pieces before an after

[short prism]

it was a twitter thread showing it to be possible, i think i know what you’re talking about

[deep pawn]

nah, it was datamined stuff from in game

[uncut vault]

I'd imagine ideally they'd still involve artists to polish the textures after, make sure the design elements are preserved

[rain cave]

Hearthstone battlegrounds

[harsh mason]

I didn't like how quickly we defeated them on Argus. The entire exp plot was focused on the Tomb of Sargeras, and then we fly to Argus in one patch and spread their uentral base in the universe. Somehow after that, the whole threat disappeared. This is not to mention the failure with Sargerit keystone

It felt like Argus wasn't even planned initially

[deep pawn]

Nah, something that big absolutely was.

[jade basalt]

They might be

They published patents not so long ago about using AI to automate tasks like this, or fitting armor to race models, etc

Which would be handy. AI isn't always bad. Artist friends I spoke say they would much rather leave these menial tasks to automations than spend hours upscaling old textures. The time saved can be used for more productive or creative purposes.

[thin warren]

that would be nice

[rain cave]

the fact that argus eventually arced into shadowlands, it would have probably been better if when we beat argus we instead saw him visibly retreat

like we fight argus, maybe break sargeras's control over him like we did aggramar

then he just fucks off into the cosmos, but we have to deal with sargeras as he's the imminent threat now and then the sword cutscene plays

[deep pawn]

Him dying while twisted was what broke death though

[rain cave]

do we even know that?

[deep pawn]

Yes, we're told so

[rain cave]

weird

never explained why he went to the shadowlands

but even then, as the titan of death he could easily do that while alive

[deep pawn]

His essence was the big red meteor that broke the arbiter

[rain cave]

surely

god I hate shadowlands

xD

[deep pawn]

It may be a post fact justification, but yeah, it's said either in game by a dreadlord or in a blue lore post that argus dying broke death and was part of Zovaal's plan

[rain cave]

I remember people knew it was in legion

so people were in fact thinking argus

that wasn't a stupid theory, I just think it was stupidly played in

[harsh mason]

I'm interested in something else. Here are the Incarnations, 3 of them, although filled with the magic of the elements, still remain like dragons (they have flesh and blood). Iridikron is literally a stone elemental, he is no longer even a dragon. That's where they will end up (e.g. Raszageth). Like, if you kill Iridikron, most likely he will be able to be reborn in earth elementals plan. But others?

[worn crown]

I love the lore of Shadowlands. The main plot of Sylv/Jailer/Anduin was terribly written, but the lore itself was very compelling for me

I also miss the terrain variety

[harsh mason]

Mre liked the situation with Anduin. They have a family thing with their father-to have some bullshit with the soul. But in the case of Anduin, they did the right thing, egt personage just needs to go through this kind of shit

Like, in the legion and the BFA, he literally did nothing. So it's ok

[harsh mason]

It's funny, Amirdrassil is really structurally similar to the tomb of Sargeras: 9 bosses, the main part of the bosses in the "temple", the temple itself in two styles, the penultimate and last bosses are in a different place (like Avatar and KJ)

[rain cave]

as nice as the terrain variety was, it was soured because of how samey it actually started feeling

because it was such a pain to get from area to area, and none of them were directly connected, and almost ALL of each zone had the same aesthetic with usually a colour pallette swapped version somewhere maybe

whereas in DF, in one zone we have sundered flame, tuskarr, blue dragons, gnolls, primalists

and they all have distinct little areas and interactions

[tropic trail]

does anyone know when 10.2 comes out?

[deep pawn]

Not yet

[harsh mason]

If we are talking about SL lore in a vacuum (that is, we do not take into account the existence of everything else), then yes. But as part of the history of the universe, wow SL causes a lot of incomprehensible

Well, for example, where do dragons get to? Green dragons get into Arden because they are connected to nature. And the others? And if it's about twilight dragons? Or elemental protodragons?

For example, what happened to Raszageth after death?

[dreamy dove]

Just found this

Does anyone have found it before? I can’t find it ingame…could hint at a possible necromancer class or could be just a trading post item? Your guesses?

[upper pasture]

top listed item says ogre necromancer. so maybe a new npc?

[warm topaz]

new class confirmed necromancer

[dreamy dove]

Already looked at it, looks like a mob from WoD

[dreamy dove]

What i found weird is that there are 4 colors, i cheked them and while two are “randoms”, two are faction like ones: one is blue and gold (alliance colors, the one you can see here) and one is black/gray and red (horde color)

[ember blaze]

new support debuffer spec + ogre race

[dreamy dove]

PLUS We already have a full necro trasmog, the one from maldraxxus that looks like wc3 necromancers, what would be the reason to put out a necromancer’s helm out of nowhere? 🤔🤔
Not saying that necro is the next class, but i like little things that let us daydream lol

[deep pawn]

Hasn't there been stuff that Cho'gall is still alive?

[upper pasture]

actually tbf there are tags on those said items they assign which class they would be fitted for

so that's pretty exciting

and tbh i think it would be weird to get another death themed expansion so quickly after SLs but it could also be because i'd rather have shadow hunters than necromancers lol

[short prism]

i can see if we continue following up with that scarlet crusade stuff, we could get actual undead expansion themes again :3

[deep pawn]

Whenever the void is involved you get cultists, and ogres are a big part of the cult.

We last investigated them near the end of Legion I think

[short prism]

they’re also on exiles reach, a bunch of ogre necromancers

[deep pawn]

That's canonically around the same time we secured the area around the sword

[warm topaz]

where is exiles reach on the map?

near what zone

[pulsar minnow]

Off the coast of stormheim I believe

[short prism]

north of the broken isles, not off the coast exactly since it’s actually a bit close to northrend

nvm i’m silly

:3 tiridan is right

[harsh mason]

Isn't this a class transmog on a warlock from a trading post?

[pulsar minnow]

no the warlock one is different

[harsh mason]

Oh, sorry, tho is not

[harsh mason]

Yes, I've already looked

[upper pasture]

my bet, is it could be various npcs ala the primalist so blizzard could be covering their bases by making models for each race combo?

[harsh mason]

OH MAY GOD https://x.com/wonderwezgaming/status/1705318338522677314?s=46&t=JnHiP_kKibjOKbPmUfJMWQ

WonderWez 💙 (@wonderwezgaming)

I just discovered live on stream that these Slumbertooth models in 10.2 have DANCE ANIMATIONS!!! Yay, I love this. 🕺🪩 #Warcraft #GuardiansOfTheDream

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I need them all

[dreamy dove]

I tought it was a npc model, it have a variaton for every race and gender BUT what made me think is that 2 tints are alliance/horde colors

Looks like pvp-ish

[rain cave]

would probs be a new spec for warlock or dk

I'd probably bet warlock support spec tho

since warlocks are all about power, and I could definetly see a group of them going "ay yo what if we got power from death as well"

idk

[silent urchin]

I think it's related to the necrolord sets? A bunch of them are called necromancer. It's not quite the same, but definitely very similar to them

[dreamy dove]

Nope, totally different

[molten niche]

they say how ot get the legendary axe yet?

[subtle oar]

No and they have said they wont be telling us how, that it will be something we have to figure out

[molten niche]

so it wont be a drop from the damn last boss and become unobtainable like the stupid evoker wep. been running it weekly or so on heroic and still have yet to get it

[upper pasture]

they've implied that it won't be like that.

[molten niche]

perfect

[harsh mason]

50% of legendary items in wow are take in loot, so you can't guess here.

But I assure you that it will be difficult to get an axe. most likely, we will need to issue items from raid bosses, as it was for example with shadowmourne

Personally, I think it's only right that this axe be given for real hard and long work

[molten niche]

Im sure 99% of ppl would prefera shadowmourne like quest chain vs the stupid pos random drop like the evoker wep

[harsh mason]

This is not the first legend that is tied to random (and not the last).

Most likely, this is directly related to how many classes can use a legendary. The more classes, the less random. At least all of the hunters' legendary drop randomly from the bosses

[dense plover]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2640523-Img_20230906_175026295_hdr/page7?p=54227785&viewfull=1#post54227785

its fake guys

edit - it was just some guy

just shows you how easy it is to fake

here is the unblurred AI image

https://imgur.com/a/XVFpdJq

[uncut vault]

that's just the MMO champ title, not the actual person haha

[dense plover]

oh lol

still tho

intentional fake like most of us predicted

[tulip sun]

What was it thought to be?

[dense plover]

a cinematic still

[deep pawn]

Got time off approved just to watch Blizzcon woo

[young latch]

I’d sacrifice an entire expansion for hats with hair

That’s where I’m at lol

[austere gazelle]

I absolutely love Ebyssian aspect appearance

[harsh mason]

His looks cooler than Neltharion

It's still incredibly unfortunate that they didn't show the model of Neltharion BEFORE he got his injuries. Like, even in the cataclysm in the Veil of eternity dungeon (I don't remember the name exactly), he is immediately shown with the Deathwing model

Moreover, in the cataclysm there were concept arts of how he looked before he put the plates on himself

[little hound]

Well of Eternity, but ye.

[austere gazelle]

y'a Neltharion felt into budget cut. Its a shame cause seeing him on his good side, or with different appearance would have enforced his tragic downfall instead of giving the impression that " he was always like this "

[harsh mason]

I liked how we were shown his zskera vaults. It's like we got into the grandfather collector's pantry

He had his clockwork robots there, lol

[austere gazelle]

yeah I meant during Cataclysm, which was mainly about him

Forbidden reach was Neltharion - almost - done right

[harsh mason]

Yes. I have already written that during the cataclysm he appears only in 4.0 (shown simply as deathwing). And then disappears until the final

Not in 4.1, nor in 4.2 he is simply not there

[austere gazelle]

Anyway back to this tear of Elune... Could it be that the end cinematic of the raid would be - at last- an Elune reveal ?

[harsh mason]

In the meantime, he is in 4.1 from his "normal" side (when he was a Neltharion (instead of a reuse of troll dungeons for a whole major patch), and everything would be perceived differently

[harsh mason]

I think that if nothing is shown (told) about Elune in 10.2, then most likely there will be nothing about it in DF

[austere gazelle]

the tear of Elune is basically what will empower the dragon aspects back, they'll receive the blessing of Life and Death through the Tear, so there is a high chance that Elune will shows up

And we know she also got a soft spot for dragons

[harsh mason]

In general, it is difficult for me to build theories around Elune, since I do not understand who it is at all

Well, like, she's an analogue of Winter Queen, but in the life realm. But if her tear becomes the source of the return of the Aspects' powers, will they be connected to her?

[austere gazelle]

they will be connected to life and death. the new tree will cleanse the dream of the Order " corruption " and then it'll anger the titans to the point they'll come back to reclaim Azeroth, but Idirikron will wait for them with Galakrond essence and will throw shits at them

That's basically what Iridikron is saying at the end of the Dawn of the Infinite

Five Lanterns, now darkened, the Flame they seek will light the master's way

A sleeping Flame rests atop the sixth tree. The Fulcrum wavers, all will be undone

[harsh mason]

Yes, I remember that. It turns out to be funny, because technically Fyrakk can now destroy the entire plan of Iridikron, and we are kind of helping the plan of Iridikron to work

[austere gazelle]

Depends, on one way of another , it'll turn in iridikron's favor. If Fyrak consume the flame and masters it, he'll use its power to redo the dream and then cleanse the titan's corruption.

If we destroy Fyrakk and the Aspects are empowered again through the tree, the same will happens.

Iridikron doesnt care about who will wins, it'll be the same in the end. that's why he left , careless, with Xal. Because what was set in motion will plays in his favor anyway

[thin warren]

The 6th tree 🤔

Emirdrassil then?

[uncut lintel]

Iridikron turn into rock

[upper swan]

Yummy

[uncut lintel]

wait what no dont eat rocks they dont digest

[deep pawn]

So there'll be guilds competing at Blizzcon again

Yeah, patch on the 7th, raid on 14th is most likely to let that guild travel in time.

[glass flicker]

Final raid boss better be voidy Galakrond. Don't mess this up, Blizzard. He's the very reason the dragon aspects even exist.

Let the expansion end with them proving themselves.

[warm topaz]

what you mean

like, never seen a Blizzcon except for expa announcements

[deep pawn]

They're doing a Blizzcon Guild Clash

Likely be a boss race or something again

So odds are they'll have like 5 members of 2-3 guilds on stage for it

[harsh mason]

Ooooo, the last time it was in Pandaria

probably

[harsh mason]

Galakrond is just a huge animal (which the future Incarnations themselves were afraid of (according to the developers). They have nothing to do with him. He just doesn't fit the role of the final boss, it's like if the final boss, for example, Pandaria, would be a huge mushan

It's just a dragon that drank infected by Yogg water from a spring (on which Tyrhold will be built in the future to control these water flows ) and grew to a huge size, the end

Just because 5 dragons defeated him, Tyr paid attention to them

That is why in dawn of infinite they (future aspects) did not recognize Iridikron (he at least looked completely different)

I mean, people attach too much importance to Galakrond

[pulsar minnow]

He’s pretty important?

considering whatever powers he had inside him were so important Iridikron had to go back in time to retrieve

“A hunger lost to the ages” whatever that is

[harsh mason]

I'm pretty sure he's talking literally and about himself. Before that, Nozdormu spoke about the hunger of Iridikron. And I am sure that since he is physically no longer a dragon, but an elemental (just look at him), he can only feed on the essence of living beings (and so far he has not fed yet. And he feels eternal hunger. Perhaps he will absorb the essence of Galakrond

[pulsar minnow]

Nozdormu never spoke about his hunger to my knowledge. He spoke about his depravity

He described the artifact itself as a hunger lost to the ages

[harsh mason]

He himself was swearing at Galakond at that time, he has 0 reasons to return (especially to fill void) just a wild animal. He has his own brother for this

[pulsar minnow]

Ah gotcha

Oh no I also totally agree galakrond won’t return

[harsh mason]

They were afraid his hunger (and looking at him, you can understand why)

[pulsar minnow]

The artifact is using some of galakronds essence for whatever reason

I’m sure we’ll find out what that is eventually, but if we’re gonna get any supersized dragons I do think it’s iridikron

The dudes made out of rock. There’s plenty of those to just… attach to himself to make himself bigger

[short prism]

Iridikron in that scene is talking about Galakrond, since galakrond is described as being filled with an endless hunger.

[little hound]

Caused by chugging Yogg bath water.

[harsh mason]

Iridikron is also described in this way. He is also hungry (but for a different reason). I just dropped a screen

Don't you think that if he wanted to bring Gala back to life, then... the body is lying here, lol. And he wouldn't have to pump his essence out of him.

[short prism]

i think it’s trying to draw parallels between the two, but iridikron definitely isn’t referring to himself when he pulls the hunger out of galakrond

[short prism]

oh i’m not saying that

but also— kinda yeah??

they redesigned him for the modern aesthetics of the game and gave him in in game model

[harsh mason]

The aspects were afraid of Iridikron's hunger (most likely due to the fact that he has to feed on the essences of living beings), since he is not able to eat differently. That's why he was pumping out the essence of a huge dragon (moreover, an essence with void).

[short prism]

but i think the purposes of that is when iridikron uses galakrond’s essence, he’ll look similar to him

[short prism]

what??? since when can’t iridikron eat and has to consume the essence of other living beings

did i miss a questline

[harsh mason]

Damn, it's obvious that it's not said directly about this (just as it's not said anywhere that Iridikron tried to bring Galakrond back. But there are the words of the developers (and after the release of 10.1.5, that the future Incarnations were AFRAID of Galacrond and were not his allies. Okay, he needs Galakrond's essence. What for? Definitely not for Galakrond himself

He is hungry, why say the aspects. Why? There are only theories here (the most obvious reason is to look at his model).

He is hungry and has been collecting the essence of the Gala.

[short prism]

could it be that he’s hungry in a…metaphorical sense? hungry for power is a common phrase, and iridikron is very goal driven. hungry. we haven’t had any reason to see iridikron as…eating people’s essence? It’s more likely he seeks to weaponize it in some way since he put it in like, an artifact

I think he captured the essence so he can consume it, then consume the titans when they get close.

[harsh mason]

Here is after this information (which is in the game) I see exactly 0 reasons for him to do this for the return of the Gala

[short prism]

yeah i— that’s what i’m saying, he’s using it for him, and the likely reason they call him hungry is in a metaphorical sense— as well as to foreshadow/draw parallels to the hungriest dragon known, which is being used as a weapon in whatever iridikron plans to do to defeat the titans

[upper pasture]

He’s hungry for power/ revenge. Not the same hungry as say galakron who was literally known to be devouring everything in his path.

But who knows idirikron’s thirst for power might lead him down a road and become “oops galakrond 2.0” IE lose his mind and becoming completely blind to anything but consuming things like the OG

[harsh mason]

He's probably already (and has been for a long time).

In any case, the book is coming out soon, there should be more information about what Iridikron did

[warm topaz]

guys

when do you think 10.2 is coming out?

before or after blizzcon?

[dry pumice]

During

[upper pasture]

likely after like the week after would be my bet

[obtuse vine]

https://x.com/warcraft/status/1706715323867541734?s=46&t=xCU5PEs1yQwL9rCJRzfUXg

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

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[subtle oar]

WOOT

https://tenor.com/view/party-time-excited-festa-celebration-saturday-night-gif-16807589017539593643

[upper pasture]

who didn't see that coming lol

[subtle oar]

It's still good to see it officially announced

[upper pasture]

oh for sure

[subtle oar]

I really hope that they have Chris return to doing the hosting of the WoW stage

He brings all the energy

[harsh mason]

If I write again about the cycle in 2 months, I will be banned. So after (although maybe 10.1.7 will go 1.5 months, who knows)

If we look at how it was with 10.1, the patch release a week after the last raid test

[junior bolt]

Dragonflight Season 3?
With Dragonflight Season 1, the end of the Turbulent Timeways event coincided with the start of Dragonflight Season 2. This could mean that Blizzard is planning to release Dragonflight Season 3 on November 7th, or at least Patch 10.2. Note that November 7th is the Tuesday after the BlizzCon 2023 weekend.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/turbulent-timeways-starts-today-five-weeks-of-timewalking-new-mount-xp-potion-335212#dragonflight-season-3

[upper pasture]

sad that the exp buff isn't actually a potion that you can send to alts :/

[warm topaz]

did you guys see the 4chan leak?

11.0 being f2p + seasonal battle pass + dungeons locked behind dlcs packs

and DF is the remains of a wow mobile game lol

[upper pasture]

lol yeah, that's not gonna happen

[austere gazelle]

You really believe in those ... ' leaks ' ?

[upper pasture]

but tbh, i think a battle pass type reward system would be pretty nice. each season having reward tracks to unlock stuff and just playing the game gains you the points for the stuff

[warm topaz]

i don't

just sharing them here

[austere gazelle]

The battle pass is the trading post though :/

[upper pasture]

(not the whole buying a bp pass tho)

yeah

[burnt crater]

couldnt see the dungeons being gated by paid DLC, community outrage over soft P2W would be something else

[upper pasture]

honestly that "leak" was prolly made by someone still upset about D:I. didn't they have stuff behind paywalls?

[junior bolt]

can u dm me the link so i can see it

[warm topaz]

that was my first impression lmao

[warm topaz]

i don't have the link, just see it on the internet

[fiery island]

I think it's horse shit man

Just written like the wet dream of some perpetually online seething basement dweller

[upper pasture]

a lot of people don't want to admit this but dungeons are already locked behind DLCs considering that's all the expansions are are DLCs. but it would hit differently if they chopped it up into bit size pieces. say levels were just free and the zone is free but the dungeons were 3-4 bucks and say raid was 10. (do whatever math you need to make it make the total cost of a normal expansion) people would still complain. It would definitely feel like they are squeezing money out of us that way. instead of all upfront.

but my point still stands current content is dlc so whoever wrote that post is literally just trying to stir the pot

(using trigger words and what not)

[subtle oar]

Link? I love laughing at these

[glass flicker]

Wouldn't it be funny if that leak wasn't real, but Blizzard addressed it in a positive way?

"Not a bad idea."

[harsh mason]

In fact, he has been playing the role of an "idea advisor" for a long time (well, somewhere since the beginning of DF, maybe even earlier). I don't know what to call it. Now he has already learned this position in the state (that is, he does the same job, but already as part of Blizzard). So I don't understand why it surprised everyone so much. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the ideas for DF were his

[short prism]

i love when people write a “leak” and you can tell they’re just seething with so much anger that they need to write fanfic about how much blizzard sucks

like that one post about how they were gonna fire mike ybarra for the no pirates tweet

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2640525-quot-No-pirates-quot-and-some-trouble-for-Mike-Ybarra-(Leak-from-ABK)

my favorite “leak” of all time (day dreaming about mike ybarra getting fired and entirely cast out)

[warm topaz]

guys

Classic have a Game Director?

or Wotlk whatever expansion we have on classic

or is just a team

[upper pasture]

prolly?