#beta-ptr-spoilers

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tepid fiber
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Elves fucked up when they stopped being trolls

rain cave
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voljin managed to sneak into shadowlands before blizzard realized

pulsar minnow
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Trolls entire lore is that “they fell off”

upper pasture
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Shadow hunters went tho

rain cave
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I'm just imagining that like wolf vs dog evolution meme "oh I'll just lets this human feed me what could happen"

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but it's trolls like

pulsar minnow
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The only reason the Zandalari even lived as long as they did was because Azshara let them bc she wanted someone to compare her empire to to show how amazing hers is

rain cave
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"I'll pray to this moon thing what's the worst that could happen"

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just imagining if trolls got heritage armor and they got multiple styles like humans

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humans got robes and armor

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give trolls witch doctor/shadow hunter

pulsar minnow
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“Like that’s ever gonna happen”

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Poor trolls man

rain cave
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bobby kotick ripping out the page of the proposed patch content for anything that isn't elf or selling tendies related

pulsar minnow
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It really feels like blizz forgot about trolls after 8.1

rain cave
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they were in shadowlands

pulsar minnow
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They dropped zandalari and then they were forgotten about for the rest of BFA

rain cave
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voljin was like

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"hii!"

pulsar minnow
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Yeah, that was cool

rain cave
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then left again

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bwonsamdi was also pretty cool

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surprised he didn't do more tbh

pulsar minnow
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And they still haven’t shown vol Jin reborn as Rezan

rain cave
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zandalari troll in the tyr guard actually

short prism
pulsar minnow
short prism
rain cave
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voljin reborn and just goes and sits in the warchief chair

short prism
rain cave
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bro didn't get his turn originally

short prism
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they don’t worship tyr

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they just vibe with him

rain cave
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I don't think it's bad

pulsar minnow
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I think this just goes to show that we do need a world revamp

rain cave
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the zandalari have A connection to the titans

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being near a giant facility and all

short prism
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some folks think it’s the beginning of homogenizing all paladins to the human light faith, but i don’t see it since they very specifically talk about their personal beliefs and how they think tyr represent that

rain cave
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I'm sure there are some zandalari who would be interested in tyr since he did experiments like what was happening in nazmir

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even if they joined the tyr guard to make sure he's not doing anything fucking stupid like what was happening in nazmir

pulsar minnow
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I really hoped that the “zandalari evolving from the elements” theories from BFA panned out

short prism
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not only that but tyr would be an inspiring figure for plenty of people on azeroth, dude went guns blazing to stop a powerful ass big boy

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so far he’s like, maintained his good titan keeper status as far as i’m aware

short prism
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i cant wait for vulpera to get lore

pulsar minnow
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I love how in every media Tyr is always just the nicest guy

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Like god of war, Warcraft, etc

short prism
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so far all we know is they have a legend of them coming from desert magic or whatever

short prism
pulsar minnow
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Zandalari should’ve been their own entire expansion imo

short prism
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isn’t that

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is t that bfa

pulsar minnow
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Same with kul tiras

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No like instead of splitting the expansion between two islands

short prism
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kul rita’s

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omg i love ritas

pulsar minnow
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Yeah I’m on mobile autocorrect is a bitch 😂

deep pawn
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Oooo

silent urchin
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So what are the odds Amirdrassil has a physical avatar, which happens to be one of the night elf spirits that died at teldrassil

tepid fiber
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||And here comes Magni with the steel chair! The crowd goes wild! He speaks for Azeroth and speaks for the trees!||

austere gazelle
# deep pawn https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965753133152223233/1150156511784468510/F5...

Amirdrassil is born from the seed coming from the Tear of Elune. Elune's powers were somehow used by the titans to empower the Aspects.
No doubt that her power are at play here again. After all, the dragons were labelled as her " pets " by her sister.

It's possible that whatever power Fyrak sought to control is the same that will bless the Dragons and give them their " Aspectral " power again

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Remember the whispers of the Everliving statue in Korthia :p

Hidden from daylight, a sleeping flame rests atop the sixth tree
The seventh coveits what the six holds fast. The Fulcrum waver, all will be undone

deep pawn
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Ysera in particular was her pet

austere gazelle
# deep pawn Ysera in particular was her pet

I think it was more general, we know that there is a link between Elune and Eonar, Eonar went to hide on Elunaria, and on Elunaria there were storms drake and stuff ( plus the pillar of creation which was a Tear of Elune )
The Embrace, which is an event used to empower Dragon aspects, required the alignment of celestial bodies, namely the moons - which are known to be related to Elune - too

harsh mason
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Judging by the description in the raid journal, the Fyrakk’s axe literally opens up rift in firelands. I hope that in the hands of the players the axe will do the same

crystal pond
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Sure kappa

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But if dragons will be for real blessed by tree alone and not by azeroth through tree / azeroth alone this will be so dumb

tepid fiber
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I don't see the connection

crystal pond
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Look to description of the spell

crystal pond
pulsar minnow
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Like Azeroth herself should empower them?

crystal pond
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Its saying receive blessing of tree
Aka tree will empower them with power

upper pasture
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Didn’t the dragons bless the tree before not the other way around? Why would a world tree be able to give them blessings instead?

sleek solar
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What if the world tree goes into space? Is it a Space tree?

crystal pond
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Idk how

tepid fiber
upper pasture
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I think the wording on the buff isn’t finalized and is supposed to claim that they are coming to bless the new world tree not the other way

crystal pond
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Maybe its just a text mistake but if for real it will be so funny

sleek solar
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Tree huggers

tepid fiber
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The Titans empowered the Aspects through the Keepers and it was the Aspects who blessed the "original" tree in Hyjal. The current tree blessing the Aspects is more of a narrative turn around, returning that blessing that they themselves bestowed in the past--also keep in mind that Amirdrassil is not only empowered by all of those night elf souls, but also through Elune and her sister the Winter Queen who are respectively on that same tier or higher than the Titan Pantheon

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Amirdrassil blessing the Aspects is a beautiful narrative play, in my opinion, representative of that return of trust and faith in their ability to truly lead the Dragonflights and protect/serve Azeroth

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But what do I know, I'm just a silly gumball

pulsar minnow
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I think it makes sense. Elune has a major part to play in the growth of this new world tree

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She’d probably make a move to show herself when it’s born similar to how she showed herself when teldrassil was burned

upper pasture
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And if it’s after the raid it would make sense dracthyr_nod

pulsar minnow
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As in- she’ll cause the embrace to happen once more

upper pasture
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All the flights seem to be in a pretty good spot rn too. Even the new sudo “minor” flights. Which I can’t wait to see what they do with them

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Although, when things are going smoothly is usually when something bad happens 😛

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But such is the life of WoW. We need some conflict to make gameplay

pulsar minnow
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Similar to Argus in the sky

upper pasture
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Oh for sure, would be a little disappointing if we don’t see her off the coast of OP

crystal pond
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I hope Azeroth will be fully involved for blesssing of dragons
Because its so weird

azeroth actually not that sleepy as before
dragons proving them self to be worthy to guard planet again
azeroth dont do shit about that

tepid fiber
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Azeroth wasn't involved in the blessings before

upper pasture
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I don’t think we’re gonna see Azeroth “born” in 10.0

tepid fiber
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I don't see the connection

upper pasture
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Although this could be the final thread needed to push them into the waking world

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But narratively wise, seems like we’ve got our plate full already

crystal pond
tepid fiber
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Because she's still not openly communicative and only speaks through vague images and intent that's interpreted by Magni

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You're trying to give her more agency than there's evidence for her to have

crystal pond
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She can bless them through tree [2]

tepid fiber
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But she doesn't have to

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And she hasn't been associated with their blessings as Aspects in the past

crystal pond
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But it will be cool if she will bless them

tepid fiber
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She's still asleep, unborn and developing. Magni only interprets her dreams, basically

tepid fiber
short prism
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i don’t see why you think azeroth would do that

upper pasture
pulsar minnow
upper pasture
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Heck even more so if she was awake enough to bestow a blessing why would she need defenders anymore?

pulsar minnow
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The dragons have always had a connection to world trees

short prism
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isn’t azeroth also like, child brained right now too kinda? doesn’t magni describe her that way?

pulsar minnow
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metzen himself said he was inspired by norse mythos when he made world trees (Yggdrassil) and if you know about norse mythos dragons have a great importance to the tree

short prism
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azeroth can only communicate through magni too rn, i don’t think we’ve seen her communicate through anyone else other than MOTHER (and didn’t she die?)

pulsar minnow
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MOTHER is alive I think

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she was there at the end of BFA with magni when we kamehameha'd N'zoth

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it is really weird though that magni hasn't been present at all in DF

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But I think blizz feels the playerbase is sick of him

short prism
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looking now, she never spoke to MOTHER, so only magni has a vague connection to a mostly sleeping azeroth

crystal pond
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Magni is more like a meme atm
I noticed that people annoyed not by Magni but by azerite
And where is Magni there is "AZEROTH WOUNS"

short prism
upper pasture
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They are currently doing that with some of them tho, like look at Anduin. He’s off screen (not part of the main story) yet we have gotten a few hints at what he’s doing or not doing.

crystal pond
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Like
At the start of the df?

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If they will get back anduin and remove Wrathion from the main story this will be really sus

upper pasture
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Yup, I mean how much can you put on someone in a video game and still consider it off screen.

short prism
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one of my favorite things from the legion-bfa era was wrathion’s friends popping up looking for things

pulsar minnow
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I forgot if there were hints

young latch
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don't agree, i think this totally fits. It looks like the same set to me. Closest I've had to a fairy set that makes me happy.

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especially with the shades of green going together being the same hues and saturations

short prism
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it is a bangin set

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i just wish the headpiece leaves were closer to the leaves on ur chest

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very very minor and definitely unnoticeable detail in game tho

short prism
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we gave kid anduin juice and see old man anduin in the one dungeon and that’s it

deep pawn
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That Anduin is who our Anduin is named after

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He was a hero of the first and second war who died.

fiery island
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I think the Shaman set wins this tier

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Not biased or anything stares into the distance as an enhancement main

subtle oar
pulsar minnow
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its amazing

short prism
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i was thinking of comic book anduin when he’s old lol

short prism
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i don’t even play them

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but the fact that the set is so fucking cool AND the skeletal jaw moves when you talk

fiery island
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Oh right they don't have those

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I do

short prism
short prism
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i do not care for the wolf shoulders

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sowwy

fiery island
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I'll take the doing Koryos shit with my boys in the woods over wannabe Naz'Ghul knockoff any day

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This is the best Shaman set since the Kor'kron Dark Shaman set

short prism
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ur crying i can see it rn

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i hurt ur feelings so bad

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bc the wolf shoulder pads are L and LAME

fiery island
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Furry pfp
opinion discarded

short prism
tepid fiber
fiery island
short prism
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u literally want the wolf shoulders

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furry moment

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fursuit parts in ur tmog

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oh what next?? ur gonna get the wolf pelt from wod?? gonna wear it around and howl for me 🥺?

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(btw did u see that, god i felt so happy when i saw that)

fiery island
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Classic projection 🤣

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W8 wut wolf pelt from WoD

short prism
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the hat

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i cant remember it’s name

fiery island
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SHUT UP

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DUROTAN'S PELT HOOD?

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PREMIUM ULFHEDNAR ENERGY

short prism
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cowl of the wolf ancient

fiery island
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He's literally me

short prism
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fursuit head!!

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i’m sad it’s orc only…maybe someday i’ll wear a wolf head on my fox head

fiery island
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Wearing the skins of animals I defeated with my physical prowess, peak performance

pulsar minnow
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People have been begging for that helm forever for frostwolf tmogs

subtle oar
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Imagine actually being toxic to someone because they're a furry

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Thats some incel shit

short prism
uncut lintel
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o----o

fiery island
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Murk pushed it into that territory, I said what I said in jest.

uncut lintel
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anyway tho

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anymore cat news?

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any more cat animals <. <

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ANYMORE CATS

dense plover
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is there an npc on ptr that sells gear?

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dont think anyone showed this but there is already some customization available on ptr

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upper pasture
dense plover
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ugh

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i gave up honestly - tauren has SO many bugs

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wtf

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maybe because im a druid?

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i still cant copy my main

upper pasture
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Ptr do be like that

dense plover
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and its only my main i cant copy

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its infuriating!

upper pasture
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My Evoker for awhile wouldnt copy last few cycles

dense plover
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how long is a while?

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because this fucking sucks

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i havent been able to copy since 10.1.7 ptr

upper pasture
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Like all since the beginning until now? Idk I kinda gave up testing on her. I usually just check and see it won’t copy then test other stuff

dense plover
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oof

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well that sucks

short prism
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they seem to be doing some work in how they categorize the druid forms, and who they’re available to. rn hm tauren can literally only be nelf druid forms on ptr as far as i can tell LOL

silent urchin
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The new zone seems to crash a lot. It was ok when it first went up, but last time I went on it was about every 10 minutes

rain cave
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To me it looks like a mixture of styles and greens

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Bug costume leaf man

harsh mason
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They hate hunters, everyone knows that. For 19 years of the game's existence, there has not been a single normal set for a hunter (well, in my opinion, they look only on human)

tepid fiber
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They hate the class that you enjoy playing the most, that's how it's always been dracthyr_lulmao

harsh mason
# harsh mason damn

Damn, are these updated textures of the original dragons? Can they add them to them?????

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So that we have both new dragon models and old dragon models with updated textures

rain cave
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some of these objects look very

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homely

rain cave
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I've been thinking

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is anyone else confused at the lack of colour choices that make sense for some of the tier sets

tepid fiber
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No

rain cave
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I feel as though they've kind of slacked on the colors

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even if the sets are cool

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not all of them

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like mage is pretty good

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but DH has 2 blue tints, and a pure purple tint

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warlock has same tints as last tier apparently

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I think priest is weird because the shadow purple one is the mythic

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whereas the set looks to be a light thematic set, so you'd think its more default color state would be the light one, but that's PvP tint

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but the most glaring thing to me, the other stuff is minor

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is we have NO shadowflame tints

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which just, confuses me ig

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the warlock set with shadowflame purple and orange? That would be an instant contender for one of the best sets imo

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but the warlock tints are actually quite monotone, 2 purples ,2 greens, 2 reddish ones

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I think paladin has the closest to shadowflame tint weirdly enough.

harsh mason
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Here's what I want to say, the really important thing. Where is she?

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Maybe she'll be the final boss of DF, lol.

upper pasture
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being smart, after nearly being killed by us figured it wasnt worth it and book a cruise while everything else is happening shes sipping mojitos on a ship somwhere

deep pawn
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I figured there'd be a decay wing of the raid

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Wasn't expecting them to make us fight uncorrupted guardians

warm topaz
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i have heard good things about 10.2 on PTR, is it good?

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I mean, the presentation doesn't do justice to what the area is, etc.

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my first impressions were good

deep pawn
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Zone is decently big, the world events are... I dunno, the weed pulling one definitely needs a number of participants scaling

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Cause I ain't pulling 100 weeds on my own

upper lantern
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Yeah, it looks pretty good. Good cosmetics, zone and lore

deep pawn
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Zaralek was pretty too but died off fast

thin warren
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i hope they don't make the same mistake with the overflow of rares

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and small events

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i like the variety, but if no one does them immediatly it gets a big much

terse flare
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i can't believe the new model for the keepers of the grove... the dryads were so bad but how is this so much worse

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they need to either scale down the humanoid portion or scale up the deer portion - extend the torso, bring it forward, arch the back.... shorten the arms...

tepid fiber
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Are your fantasy creatures made of supernatural energy not anatomically correct enough?

terse flare
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they're not an improvement

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from vanilla models hardly

deep pawn
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I don't think I've seen any loot rares pop up on the map yet but I didn't do the questline to let me start exploring the map fully

terse flare
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they could have just used Cenarius' model for the keepers of the grove, even if it was made in legion it's a million times better

deep pawn
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The keeper feels wc3-ey

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I'll admit I am partial to the legion dryads more.

upper pasture
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i dont really see whats wrong with either model

deep pawn
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The keeper does look a bit stout.

terse flare
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Arms are too long. Waists are too short.

upper pasture
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as for them just reusing the old models im sure that would have gone over well with the community

warm topaz
tepid fiber
terse flare
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Cenarius, for reference.

upper pasture
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oh for sure at least this is they made newer models and tried to recreate rather than sticking an older model in there and taking shortcuts

deep pawn
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Cenarius is a demigod, but yeah, he looks better

warm topaz
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guys

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what are these for?

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i have seen a lot of heads of lions and dragons too

austere gazelle
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Maybe its for the fight with Fyrakk*

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Or some strange events related to Tyr or the Dreams' bounty

deep pawn
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Or season 4 fated raid

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The idea of Nighthold fated came out a bit too fast I feel haha

austere gazelle
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And tbh I prefer new zone and new raid that " season to make you wait for the new xpack because we make more money recycling stuff "

deep pawn
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I do too but we have no control over that

terse flare
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which one looks better proportioned. I just edited this in like 5 minutes and have no training/real experience with this kinda stuff

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I narrowed it / enlongated it, shortened the humanoid arm, extended the torso, moved the belt down, shrunk the head...

tepid fiber
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I mean if you think about organs, the short torso makes more sense

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Don't really need two abdominal sections

terse flare
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now who's thinking about anatomical correctness for fantasy creatures? I was only ever going off what we've seen so far from them and how they're represented since WC3

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and what, imo, looks aesthetically better / meshes with the world we have

short prism
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their newer proportions don’t bother me for either the keepers nor the dryads, it almost makes them feel more creature-esque which i like too

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the long arms are fun

terse flare
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it makes them feel much less night elf

short prism
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i disagree

tepid fiber
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Tbf, they were around before night elves

short prism
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they both read well as nelf related, one is just thicker than the player models

terse flare
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you can have your opinion, but the edited version looks more like the concept art from WC3 and literally every representation of them to date, proportionally

upper pasture
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Man, isn’t there a saying for this?

short prism
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they look a lot like malf imo too

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his depictions outside of wow (WC3R and HoTS) make him kinda beefy in the same way the keepers are now

terse flare
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it's not even "hey he's chunky", i'd be fine with a chunky keeper of the grove if the other proportions were on scale and correct - i literally play a kul tiran druid so this is not some skinny idealism or anything

short prism
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i’m not saying that, i meant it more in the nelf-y way you mentioned

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it is all personal opinion anyways, the community seems pretty split on the new proportions so it’s obv not a like

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objective thing

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i prefer the new keepers over the old ones, for example

terse flare
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well the old ones were made in 2004

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these ones were made in 2023 or 2022 most likely

short prism
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i mean, proportionally, obv the model is nicer lol

terse flare
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so i'm sorry i have high expectations lol (edit for people who can't comprehend words: FOR MODEL IMPROVEMENT IN A 19 YEAR GAP)

short prism
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also, the previous keeper models were from legion

terse flare
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wait where was that model? I swear i saw the oldest model in legion somewhere

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like on broken shore

short prism
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i think in the druid order hall, also in that nightmare dungeon as a thing u fight

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(corrupted versions)

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keeper karithus also uses this model now

rain cave
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maybe they're going to add a scenario where you go with the tyr guard to fight elisande

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and those are some of the buffs :p

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since there's a kultiran and zandalari paladin there

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and mention of the nightwell in those buffs

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if they're trying to add paladins to everyone maybe another character joins the tyrguard, an undead or something

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after all the undead are in tyr's fall, and with calia there I could see an attempted paladin apearing

warm topaz
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why are we going to fight Elisande?

rain cave
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to get tyr's disc back

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that's where it landed according to the tyr guard quests

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and it's where the cliffhanger is atm

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currently regrouping to prepare to fight elisande since we know she's powerful

dense plover
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we are going back

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doesnt mean fight

rain cave
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I didn't say we would

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taukken did

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like I reckon there will be a confrontation of some kind

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even if it's brief before other people move in to block us

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like a lingering infinite flight who are more void aligned

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not the friendly ones

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but because they tried to defuse infinites at the moment, and the infinites are the reason we even know where it is because of their help

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I reckon we'll have an elisande fight. Even if it's to just knock her out or beat her down

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so she understands

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I am VERY curious as to why they chose the nighthold as the staging ground for this though

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since elisande has time powers

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and had some tough choices to make, could have been a hero in an alternate universe

harsh mason
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I like the new keeper better

terse flare
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that's not the question though - you like it's skin? it's design? the proportions? all of it? the monstrously long arms? the belt being so high? the waist being so short? the head being so gigantic? it literally looks like it's going to tip over

upper pasture
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I think that’s what “I like the new keeper better” means. Like I like the newer keeper more than the previous one

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People are allowed opinions. It’s perfectly okay to not like this model

terse flare
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Liking it better than the old or oldest keepers isn't the same thing as thinking it's perfect and couldn't use some fixing though.

upper pasture
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The only person who seems to think it needs to be perfect is you

terse flare
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Well actually the link I posted had upwards of 400 people upset with the dryad model and some of the problems with that are the same as the keeper

upper pasture
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In your opinion

terse flare
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And 400 other people

upper pasture
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You know how many people are okay with these models?

terse flare
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I know plenty of people don't care and I know that's not the same thing as liking them

upper pasture
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And honestly complaining in here isn’t going to get any traction. If your “5 mins mock up” is so much better take that to blizzard. Get them to look how much you can improve the model. Who knows get a job in creature design. Be the change you want

terse flare
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I didn't know we weren't allowed to talk about things we don't like on the PTR in the PTR spoilers channel.

ember blaze
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be the change you want to see EZ

upper pasture
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It’s not that. You’re here telling everyone they are wrong for their opinion on a WiP model that’s subject to change. All your doing is souring the mood because you think he needs a longer humanoid torso to be “more in line” of what you think meshes with the world. Then you deflect with “soo sorry I have high standards lol” ain’t no one got time for that gaslighting bs

tepid fiber
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God, thanks for saying it lmao

upper pasture
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It’s what’s wrong with gamers nowadays and frankly I’m just over it

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Like shit man, no one is upset or mad that you think the model could use improvements but like make a forum post about it. There’s no blizzard mods lurking here

short prism
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the high standards thing

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like, what, are my standards low?

upper pasture
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Yup, it is indeed a tactic to make you feel lesser if it was intended to be that way or not

short prism
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because i think the model looks better? i like the proportions, the chunkier look, I think their torsos not being so long looks good too. They’re keeper, they’re a mixed creature, it’s cool! what would i do to improve the model to be something i like more isn’t the same as what he would do (like, i personally think keepers could use more chest/body hair to fit the bearded wild look)

short prism
terse flare
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That's not at all what I said or meant

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I said sorry I had high EXPECTATIONS for a jump in model quality between 2004 and 2023

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That was the only intended meaning not that people who are satisfied with it have low standards

pulsar minnow
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Crazy opinion, I think both are cool in their own ways

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🤯

warm topaz
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i love her

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one of my favs char of Legion

pulsar minnow
warm topaz
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is stronger than Jaina/Khadgar

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i think so right?

pulsar minnow
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I’d assume like Jaina levels

upper pasture
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She seemed cool af she turned back time like 5 times in our fight ?

austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
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Her main shtick is time manipulation

warm topaz
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but when we defeated her on NH

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what happened

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did she die?

pulsar minnow
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Yeah

austere gazelle
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If time itself didn't turned her back on her, we shouldn't have won

warm topaz
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but even dead she is powerful damn

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she is the goat

pulsar minnow
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But she was still powerful enough to leave an echo of herself to aid us in the fight against gul dan

upper pasture
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I suspect that I’d we do end up going there we are the reason time turned it’s back on her if that’s the point we return to reclaim the disk

warm topaz
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well but she agree with us right? like hey sorry i did this shit i know was wrong defeat Guldan

short prism
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i just greatly prefer one proportionally over the other :3!

austere gazelle
tepid fiber
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And when we finally defeated her she acquiesced before accepting and realizing she was wrong

upper pasture
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Still can’t wait to see where we are headed with this story

terse flare
# upper pasture It’s not that. You’re here telling everyone they are wrong for their opinion on ...

i will point out also that I don't think I was souring a mood because I had a critique about the art style, souring a mood is more like every time Gumball has responded to me (pretty much every time I poke my head into this server) with something catty to say, like that instant response to my first message about critiquing the anatomy of fantasy creatures-... only to get wrapped up in fantasy creature anatomy himself talking about the new model makes more sense considering organ placement or something

austere gazelle
# upper pasture Still can’t wait to see where we are headed with this story

Yep, even if I'm not sure why we should be fighting Elisande again since she would basically know we were arriving, unless the goal is to sneak past her but with the eye of Aman'thul I'm not sure we can. Either she will side with us but will demand something in return of the dumbest stuff we will fight her and the bronze dragon will correct time after, or it will be a different dimension Elisande... headache

pulsar minnow
warm topaz
upper pasture
uncut vault
pulsar minnow
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Ssshhhh don’t let blizz find out and make the skunk small again

austere gazelle
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sniff in Niffen

terse flare
tepid fiber
pulsar minnow
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(My guess is that she’s a First One)

austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
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I think a revelation like that would definitely turn the dragonflights against the titans like we see them doing now

austere gazelle
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We must rebuild the Final Titan, do not forget
There is also a reason the Titans tried to body snatch keeper on Azeroth, and not elsewhere, when Sargeras defeated them

pulsar minnow
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Like “oh shit we’ve been supporting the titans doing a forced conversion to our whole planet like they did to our young while they were inside our eggs? Fuck these guys.”

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I like how blizz has been trying to make all the different cosmologies be morally grey (and actually doing it right unlike Sylvanas)

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That said it still feels like void is overwhelmingly evil

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Would love to see the good void guys

austere gazelle
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Anyway even the attendants of Korthia said it anyway. " A maw walker originating from a world.. A ' special ' world soul "
A world soul in itself is already something " unique " so, to be a special world soul, well, gotta not be a world soul to begin with

short prism
pulsar minnow
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not leaving much to the imagination there

tepid fiber
austere gazelle
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Basically the First Ones were uber programmer who programmed all the events to come with algorithm planning every possible cases so they left the gateway there just in case their programming will lead the timeline at this point for someone to use them

tepid fiber
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It's more of a squares and rectangles situation, really. All members of the Pantheon are Titans, but not all Titans need to be members of the Pantheon

pulsar minnow
short prism
pulsar minnow
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Sort of like how the First Ones are the seventh cosmological force that encompass all within our current cosmology

short prism
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it’s like, if something else corrupts it before they’re born, they’re something else. but that includes the light

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so each force has its own “titan” form but they just get called sm else due to the influence, kinda like dragons

tepid fiber
short prism
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dragons are all connected to protodrakes, but become dragons through titan influence

austere gazelle
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Azeroth is supposed to be a " Young world soul " according to titans writing, but we also know that the Tauren mythos implies that Elune was born on it and Elune is very very old ( since she created the Naaru's )

rain cave
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reading the discussion on the elisande timeline thing

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it;s a common boss trope in wow actually

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of the bosses thinking they've won because they see no future where they lose

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what if the one true timeline wasn't necessarily just, the timeline the titans wanted because it's where they win

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but the one true timeline had a safeguard in it, hiding it from view

austere gazelle
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Tbh, all the " time seeing " entities in wow that " see the future " couldn't even prevent their own death or die like poopoo

rain cave
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if you can't see the one true timeline, then you can't invade it

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you can't disrupt the titans

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if the void sees all possibilities, they could INVADE from all possibilities

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cross timeline legions could invade

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etc

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but if the timeline is veiled, by amanthul for example

austere gazelle
rain cave
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and now that we've broken the timeline

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we are no longer in that veil

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not just that we've broken what the titans want

pulsar minnow
rain cave
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we've shattered our protection by deviating

pulsar minnow
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T&E made a great video on it

rain cave
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so yrel is now on the table again

austere gazelle
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Aman'fool couldn't even prevent his own demise by Sargeras so I'm not even betting on his capacity to plan stuff on the long term

rain cave
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a lot of things are breaking veils recently

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sounds like we're in for an unveiling of what is to come

austere gazelle
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I think time is a concept that was invented by the First Ones to master, plan and make their framework works. The Titan just used it not knowing how it would work specifically. Just a tool at their disposition they didn't make but can use, some of its specifications they can't grasp

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For example - the concept of Death wasn't invented by the Eternal Ones, they just use it and make it works because they are attuned to it, but can't master every aspect of it

rain cave
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the first ones can't really be so omnipotent though is the thing

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I can't see them inventing time

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do they have immense power? yes

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but evidently something was beyond them

warm topaz
austere gazelle
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Well, inventing time, maybe not. Weaving it and ordering it so it would work on a special way , maybe, then the titans used what they were left with

rain cave
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the weird thing is that the first ones are very..

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order oriented

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despite being hinted at as being above all the forces

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have we discussed the idea of them being halfway?

austere gazelle
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Mmm I think the first Ones encompassed all the forces. They gave a part of themselves on each forces to balance the framework.
I theorized that in the end they were void of everything and what was left was an empty shell of themselves... That they gave to the void.
Those shell became the Void Lords, who hungers to devour the cosmos to get back what they lost

rain cave
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what about this discussion point, red's are all very order oriented, blues are very chaotic

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first ones not being literal beings of order, but being the like step up combination of the 3 primarily orderly forces

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leaves a neat gap for an opposing force that mirrors them

austere gazelle
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I'm not even thinking the first Ones were a group of the same individuals. First Ones could be a lots of being from different origins that gathered and decided to use each of their forces to put order into the cosmos

rain cave
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the thing we've been hearing hints of maybe

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true

austere gazelle
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Elune could be a first Ones, or could have been one

rain cave
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I don't think so

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I think elune has some level of knowledge of them

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but I doubt she is one

austere gazelle
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Well, if Azeroth was a First Ones at one point and she is her daughter, she's close to them ( assuming Azeroth is the Earthmother )

rain cave
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we aren't sure if azeroth is a first one

warm topaz
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Is there anyone in the role of Moiras/Norns in the Warcraft universe?

rain cave
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world soul obviously, but would souls can be moulded

tepid fiber
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She's a nascent Titan, a world soul

rain cave
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not the same thing

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world souls aren't inherently titanic is what's been implied more recently

austere gazelle
rain cave
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there's definetly a connection to the first ones with world souls though

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and the first ones to titans

tepid fiber
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As of current canon that's what they are until state otherwise

rain cave
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we don't have a current canon

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for what azeroth is

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other than she's a world soul who's beginning her awakening

tepid fiber
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Yes, we do, she's a nascent Titan and a world soul

austere gazelle
rain cave
austere gazelle
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I mean as Tiridan stated before, Titan's writing are now put under scepticism and doubt. Just because they said it is a world soul , and knowing they order everything the find to fit their way, and knowing that Korthia attendants said it was a " special world soul " , we can begin to doubt about what she is really

rain cave
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what we do know is that azeroth has a connection to the first ones, has been being injected with titan juice, and is susceptible to corruption and becoming something else

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if the titans have said "she's a titan"

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that's their bias

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they don't want it to be anything else, so they won't tell us

tepid fiber
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https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Azeroth_(titan)

Wowpedia
Azeroth (titan)

Azeroth is a nascent titan, or world-soul, growing within the core of the eponymous planet. The Pantheon believed her to have such great potential that should she ever awaken, she would become the most powerful titan ever seen—even more powerful than the mighty Sargeras and strong enough to overthrow the void lords by herself. For this reason, S...

harsh mason
tepid fiber
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Azeroth is a nascent titan, or world-soul, growing within the core of the eponymous planet.

rain cave
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what's the source though

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for that statement

austere gazelle
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Other piece of doubt. They said she was a " young world soul " but the Eartmother tale said that she gave birth to Elune, Elune created the Naaru long before, so she can't be that young.

tepid fiber
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My source is literally World of Warcraft and Blizzard media

upper pasture
rain cave
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this is just the fan wiki

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and that sentence does not have a citation

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this could be a years old article from legion for all we know

austere gazelle
rain cave
austere gazelle
upper pasture
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but that doesnt dismiss it as current lore

rain cave
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correct, current lore but not current canon fact

tepid fiber
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There are four citations attached to the paragraph. Your inability to follow citations doesn't change the current canon as per World of Warcraft and official Blizzard media

upper pasture
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my brother

austere gazelle
tepid fiber
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Reread this

rain cave
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the citations are for the whole paragraph

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not the statement

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and all of the citations are chronicle

dense plover
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dude we literally healed her heart

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and the old gods call her a titan

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even the jailer called her a titan

rain cave
dense plover
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"death comes for the soul of your world"

upper pasture
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no no no, not all those parts either

rain cave
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jailer I don't think called her a titan

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if you can find me a clip

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fair

tepid fiber
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Jfc I'm trying to be reasonable TheBigSaint but your argument is so unhinged it's not even connected to the door

rain cave
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I'm being reasonable gum

upper pasture
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did you happen to see what was around in the chamber of the heart?

rain cave
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the lore that has called her a titan we have been told is unreliable

austere gazelle
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Just think backward. If she was the first world soul - but not a titan - but something else, looking like a world soul, can we still call her a titan ? nope 🙂

rain cave
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I'm not saying she can't be a titan

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I'm saying that world souls are not titans inherently it would seem

uncut vault
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I think that Azeroth is definitely a titan right now, because she's clearly aligned towards arcane and what the titans want

rain cave
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that's not canon either way

austere gazelle
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She is not the last , but the First, drown her and you will see

rain cave
uncut vault
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but that doesn't have to mean she always was, or always will be

rain cave
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this is what I was going to say

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I think her titan status is always wavering

upper pasture
rain cave
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flip flopping

tepid fiber
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And I'm saying, per current World of Warcraft lore and media is that Azeroth is a nascent Titan, a world soul

rain cave
tepid fiber
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A world soul, per current canon, is a nascent Titan

rain cave
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so you can't claim it and say it's correct

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we just

upper pasture
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okay sure man

rain cave
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don't know

tepid fiber
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Jfc you're exhausting

austere gazelle
rain cave
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bruh blizz have literally said chronicle is unreliable

rain cave
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this

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every statement is not canon, every statement having been made is canon

austere gazelle
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final nail in that specific coffin :

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rain cave
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because is perspectives and accounts become canon, then sarkareth's visions are suddenly reality

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the canon is that he was having visions, the visions themselves weren't canon fact

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in the same way, the titans saying something doesn't make it fact, but the fact is, they said it

pulsar minnow
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Azeroth is for sure a Titan rn, but it’s probably subject to change since blizz has definitely been trying to add an element of mystery to her true nature

rain cave
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so the current canon for world soulds is "the titans call world souls nascent titans"

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the void lords probably call world souls nascent void lords or some other thing

tepid fiber
austere gazelle
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They even said the black empire was an evil time of darkness, Neltharion said the opposite, but Neltharion was corrupted by the void, so we don't even know if Neltharion or the Titans were right.

rain cave
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jailer for all intents and purposes saw her as a battery lmao

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but we don't know if she's a titan atm

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there's implication

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sure

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but it's not 100% confirmed

tepid fiber
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I'm more interested in official canon sources and not player fanfiction or theories

rain cave
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I like both, but all speculation should be rooted in canon

austere gazelle
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She's flagged as a " Special World soul " she is most probably a world soul, but not something we think it is. titan gave a definitive affirmation on what a world soul is - a nascent titan - but we don't even know if all the world souls are nascent titans

rain cave
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which is what I strive to do

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so it's good we managed to navigate this and get the record/sources straight

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because otherwise we'd all just be throwing stuff around

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but yeah, the 100% canon fact is...
we don't know

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we think she could be a titan, but we've had no objective indication that she has always been one, or was meant to be one

austere gazelle
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She could be a world soul , a nascent doggo that would woof across the cosmos for the lulz for all we knows

rain cave
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and the latent corruption and disruption of the titans operations on azeroth, and the changing of the timeline

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might mean she takes a turn now

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tyrhold does have that massive crystal beaming ordery lighty magic directly into the planet as well

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something to consider

austere gazelle
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I prefer see her as a metamorph world soul that can give birth to whatever owner wants it to be

rain cave
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and that had to be turned on when they realized she was waking

pulsar minnow
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But like

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Everyone’s speculating

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The point is that it’s not official but could be

tepid fiber
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There's a difference between speculation and fanfiction

pulsar minnow
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Yeah but this is definitely leaning towards speculation since there’s real reason to speculate

tepid fiber
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Or disagreeing with what's current official canon

rain cave
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we are establishing what IS canon

austere gazelle
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I mean... Chronicles was supposed to be the official, solid ground of Lore when it was released. Back then I wouldn't even question that Azeroth was a nascent titan.
Nowadays, with all the " titans are evils and order everything into what they like " and all the retcons, yep. Not trusting Chronicles anymore

rain cave
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I make sure to work within the limits of what has been stated and implied

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if we can find a flaw in a piece of speculation

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I'm happy to concede it

pulsar minnow
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Azeroth has a mystery regarding her true nature. That is fact , and the speculation is regarding what that mystery is pertaining to

rain cave
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same with elune lmao

austere gazelle
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how can a world soul can be " unique " and special ?

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upper pasture
austere gazelle
upper pasture
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my guy saint is straight up denying it

austere gazelle
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I mean, current canon is the words of the titans. But current canon is also saying that the titans lied to us

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so what's true?

upper pasture
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but just because its a lie doesnt mean its not canon

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it might not be the true but canonically Azeroths world soul as far as we know is titan leaning

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doesnt mean it will stay that way or is in fact that way but thats as much as our characters know

austere gazelle
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well, Chronicles is a POV of the titans, Azeroth being a WS was stated in chronicles and legion, and since it's been implied that Chronicles is a titan POV, then everything titan related are to be taken with a grain of salt, we think it is a world souls, be we have reasons to start to believe that it's not

tepid fiber
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A world soul is a nascent Titan. A nascent Titan

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In case you're not aware of what nascent means

austere gazelle
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It would be in the titans own interest to say that every world souls is a titan ready to be born, since they like to claim stuff for everything the first ones made

rain cave
upper pasture
rain cave
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I'm of the opinion that it's a world soul

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and world souls can be juiced up to be any number of things

austere gazelle
# upper pasture so youre in agreement that it is in fact a titan world soul? (as far as we would...

it might be a world soul ordered to be a titan.

I mean, Aman'thul needed no help to awaken, so why all the titans needs help to be born ? Can it be possible that the world souls are things that maybe, or are not related to titans , but that titans coming to order them force them to be a titan?
Argus was so infused by death that he did not even went to the order realm once killed. So who's to say that a world soul can be a titan?

Other example, the Old Gods need to corrupt a nascent world soul to turn them into void stuff, so maybe world soul are just... Being waiting to become whatever they are influenced with. So World souls are not equal to titans. they are just eggs waiting to be fertilized by whatever forces who find them

rain cave
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what I think is going to happen, is she'll awaken as something that's not quite a titan.

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that's my speculation

upper pasture
austere gazelle
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there is also this omnious stuff from Zereth mortis

Her dream sing beneath the surface. Quiet now, but her song will awake the others ( ??? )
following by the old gods
Her dream sing beneath the surface. Our dream. Our song

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She isn't even corrupted so why are they saying this?

rain cave
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or their view

rain cave
austere gazelle
rain cave
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the void seeks to use her to usher in a new age

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the FIRST of a new age

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whereas the titans see her potentially as the last light of a waning order that must be defended at all costs

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oh look we're in dark souls lore now

austere gazelle
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FEEBLE CURSED ONE

subtle oar
austere gazelle
subtle oar
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🙄 Thats just conjecture

austere gazelle
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At this point, we still don't know if the dreadlords told the truth to Sargeras or if they told lies just to set Sargeras against the Void

austere gazelle
subtle oar
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Not really

austere gazelle
# subtle oar Not really

yes we do. Jailer asked the dreadlords to spread lies and to infiltrate each forces for his plans.
1- the Jailer want to trigger a war between order and void to make Sargeras snap.
2- They say that the void can literally eat the cosmos if they corrupt a world soul ( if that's the case, why the Jailer is not trying to prevent this, too ? )
3- The Dreadlords coveniently find sargeras and told him that to make him snap

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Is that true in the end ? we don't know.

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if the threat of the voild lords was so much, it would also have been mentionned. The Dreadlords are just casually saying they just need each others to fight , whatever the reason is

subtle oar
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None of this gives us any reason to question whether or not Azeroth is a Titan.

austere gazelle
# subtle oar None of this gives us any reason to question whether or not Azeroth is a Titan.

1- no, it just question the real goals of the void lords and what we know is from the dreadlords who are manipulative, so Sargeras might have been lied to.
2- as we said multiple time, we know that the Titans POV say that Azeroth is a world soul. As far as we know, she might be, but we can doubt seeing that the titan are manipulative too and are trying to order everything they see. It's a theory, not a fact - on that we agree - but its legitimate to think about it given the new informations we got

subtle oar
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You CAN doubt, but there is no reason to other than pure conjecture and the constant confusing between Titankeepers and the Titans

austere gazelle
# subtle oar You CAN doubt, but there is no reason to other than pure conjecture and the cons...

No , there are legitimate reason given the Titans erased lot of history and completely rewrote what was the black empire and stuff and erased the very existence of the first Ones from Azeroth's history. We also know they order stuff by force and emprison what they can't control.
So tell me, how can we not " doubt " about what they fed us, and why those are " no sufficient reason " to doubt , outside of your own point of vue ?

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( And yes, Odyn is a prick that is acting on behalf of the titans, but given that the titans constructed and ordered Azeroth the way it is, Odyn is doing his gatekeeper stuff accordingly , maybe with zealotry , in concordance with the Titan's plans )

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Moreover, I strongly believe Odyn was hostile to the creation of the Aspects because it involved Elune somehow

subtle oar
austere gazelle
# subtle oar The Titankeepers did this, not the Titans. Again, reference back to me saying th...

Odyn was zealous, on that we agree, but the titans did emprisonned the old gods because they couldn't control them, and it's on the titan's order and plan that Azeroth was ordered. So it's the titan that decided to erase all the traces of the black empire.
We used to know that only freya weaved the dream as it is today, but we have now stated that Eonar did so with her, so they were directly involved. Odyn was just acting on their behalf and followed his order like a good lapdog.

subtle oar
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No. Odyn was doing what HE believed was their will. We need look no further than the Mogu, who believed they were carrying out the will of the Titans after Ra-Den retreated from the world at large.

austere gazelle
subtle oar
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Yes. He was left in charge. It ends there though. The Keepers had no contact with the Titans after the Titans left. Only Ra-Den with his deep connection with Amanthul even knew what happened to the Titans after they left the planet. All of Odyns actions and edicts are his and his alone.

pulsar minnow
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Odyn is just a big old prick

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Charismatic as hell, but that’s exactly why he’s in the position he’s in

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A majority of Azeroth who even knows of his existence likes him because of his exterior personality

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He’s two-faced. The other side is this total psycho who destroys or enslaves anything against his world view.

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I’m glad Vyranoth and Wrathion get to talk to him and finally bring the Storm Drakes into the larger narrative. I adore the Storm Drake’s design

harsh mason
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I hope Vyranoth in 10.2 will beat his face

warm topaz
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shoudl Vyranoth know Odyn?

pulsar minnow
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Probably. He’s one of the keepers, if she knows Tyr she probably knows of Odyn too

warm topaz
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what are we looking at guys

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black iron dwarf related

tepid fiber
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Does look like a Dark Iron Dwarf tank, but with the proportions I'd say it's most likely a toy or battle pet

deep pawn
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They updated a bunch of other siege weaponry

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Siege of Stormwind stonks rising

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Let's go Light crazed Turalyon

dense plover
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could also just be updating the assets because they use them all the time and they look old

pulsar minnow
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I’m sorry, and I know you didn’t say it but it reminds me of that theory. I just hate the “turalyon goes evil” stuff. It’s so antithetical to what his character stands for. Yes he’s a Paladin but he, Velen, and everyone else saw Illidan’s monologue about making our own fate and throwing aside cosmological bindings. Heck his wife absorbed a void naaru!!

deep pawn
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But we also know he's super susceptible to Naaru influence

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He was made near immortal by one

subtle oar
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I mean, he's a zealot of the light . I 100% believe he will side with Yrel

short prism
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watching the naruu die literally took the light from his eyes, as he realized how oppressive and wrong they can be with their own sense of what is “right” for others

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atleast that’s what i thought that whole thing was with that when we see the light literally fade from his eyes in that cinematic

subtle oar
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Hell, Shadows Rising shows us he's not even above torture to get his way.

deep pawn
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The light left his eyes because Xe'ra's influence was removed

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Her presence alone is what made them golden

short prism
subtle oar
pulsar minnow
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Afterwards is a different story

short prism
pulsar minnow
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If you see your leader executed right in front of you out of nowhere you’d probably freak out a bit

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Then he relaxed and fought alongside illidan

subtle oar
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He has never lost his zealotry. I 100% believe he would side with Yrel and the Light Mother

short prism
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i also cant see him doing that while he’s still with alleria, a void elf

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unless something happens to her, idk

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found it!

short prism
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From Before the Storm, after Legion

deep pawn
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oof, you gotta do 18s for myth track vaults next season

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RIP

tepid fiber
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That is indeed a quote

pulsar minnow
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rlly feels like the community is forcing Turalyon into a character he's not just because of that one scene with Xe'ra

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and ofc, that's like the last cinematic he's been in to my knowledge, so it's understandable

short prism
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i think people just misremember how the scene went down, since it was a pretty impactful moment tbf

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he doesn’t still look angry after illidan says that only they can win this fight

short prism
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you’d have to know about the book/it’s contents and some very select voice lines that are easily missable if you don’t stick around stormwind keep lol

pulsar minnow
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Turalyon really needs more spotlight since most of his development and really existence within the universe of WoW has happened in the books

short prism
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he was pretty much a zealot when we met him in Legion, but he’s done a lot of growing since then

pulsar minnow
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So many people have a twisted view of his character

short prism
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like— he’s friends with Calia and Alonsus Faol and supports the forsaken’s claim to Lordaeron (he was at that meeting when sylvanus went crazy mode iirc)

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he wanted the humans to meet the forsaken, i will say albeit hesitantly, but otherwise was a big factor in the initial security of the location

tepid fiber
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And then because the community keeps saying it, the community feels justified to say it because the community said it

short prism
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it’s a rly hard to maintain cycle with the way discourse spreads in the wow community

pulsar minnow
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like hey, lets not try and force a good guy character into being evil because "xyz cosmological force made them do it" like a certain someone...because people totally loved that the last time

short prism
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like how quickly everyone saw that fake vyranoth x anduin post lol

pulsar minnow
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i did not see that

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but i think thats for the best

tepid fiber
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Indeed lmao

short prism
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i saw multiple tweets about it only an hour or so after it hit MMOchampion

tepid fiber
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I don't even glance at mmochamp anymore khadgarface

rain cave
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I feel like turalyon is being set up for a fakeout arc

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Like we think he'll betray us

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But in reality his loyalty is firmly with alleria and the alliance

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So even if he listens to the light, heeds it's call

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He'll just go "nah I'm not killing my wife you bastard"

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I also feel like they'll kill him off after that

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And that's what will set alleria on her arc of crazy

deep pawn
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He was willing to let Alleria be imprisoned before, we don't know what he'll do if someone the power level of Xe'ra shows up again

rain cave
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for alleria

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in his mind he probably saw it as like "well if I imprison her, we can work towards cleansing her"

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he wouldn't give up faith on alleria, even if he has to punish her for something

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but killing her? I just can't see turalyon doing it

jade vigil
short prism
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o i meant wrathion

short prism
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alleria gets his ass tho

austere gazelle
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Turalyon thought only xera could make them win against the Legion. Illidan went on " hold my beer bro I'll show you " and turalyon saw that Light wasnt needed nor useful and Xera sprouted nonsense prophecy.

He is pretty much like Velen now.

harsh mason
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Damn, bosses have really cool customspell animations

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Since the new Smolderon model uses the gargoyle skeleton from revendreth, customspell 1 and 2 are the old ones, next are the new oneshttps://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/npc=200927/smolderon#modelviewer

Wowhead
Smolderon

Smolderon is an Elite NPC. The location of this NPC is unknown. In the NPCs category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date.

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https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/npc=209333/gnarlroot Thank all the gods that he made the first boss not that old skeleton of walking trees classics

Wowhead
Gnarlroot

Gnarlroot is an Elite NPC. The location of this NPC is unknown. In the NPCs category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date.

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It seems to be a skeleton of a tree, which the dev gave to the players for free

tepid fiber
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Ooo, I like

young latch
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I keep saying Nelves get an absurd amount of content compared to everyone else

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Like even compared to blood elves

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Non elves are kind of starving 😂

rain cave
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They're getting ANOTHER racial set, despite already having 2

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And the mage trading post thing is getting other belf matching recolours

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No other item is far as I know

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Atleast goblin aesthetic is getting love with the wasteland set

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Other races deserve more

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Where's the pandaren heritage at, show the 2 factions of pandaren that joined alliance/ horde a party together since we're not at war anymore

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Since they haven't talked to eachother probably since mop

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Draenei heritage going and cleansing the last of the damage the exodar did when it crashed

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Showing that they're fully settled here

deft carbon
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any worgen fans here? Created a topic on PTR forums to discuss worgen in Emerald Dream https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/goldrinn-and-worgen/466814

World of Warcraft Forums
Goldrinn and Worgen

Hi everyone. I have a hope that devs will see this topic and maybe will add or change something if they can ^^ We meeting Goldrinn again after years in the Emerald dream and there is nothing for Worgen. No dialog with the Wild God who gave worgen their power and curse, no secret item from great wolf - nothing. And it makes me sad. It can be a ...

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even orcs can find cool wolf-type things and secrets and worgen have nothing, even a dialog with the Wild God :c

rain cave
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They could add it

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If they put goldrin in there, they must know who he is surely

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XD

deft carbon
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or they can ignore worgen... again :D

rain cave
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Maybe you'll get a quest to unlock more customisations

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I pray

rain cave
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druids getting a shadowflame themed tint while warlocks and DHs get pure purple again 👍

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fiery island
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That Druid set is horrendous what were they thinking

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The outdoor set is more thematic to the class & patch than the damn tier set 🤣

plain violet
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Same for taurens, trolls...

rain cave
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makes everything worse imo

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it looks like a spellbreaker helmet

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it's strange

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I've said this before but every other set at least feels like a tier set

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even the outdoor sets could pass as a druid tier set

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they're good

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but the druid tier set genuinely feels like somebody upscaled a TBC designed dungeon set

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especially since they could have delved into the dual nature of the dream/ardenweald

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imagine if they had like a set with the kind of wither and bloom theming

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or even something just more, flamboyant

silent urchin
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A lot of the druid set feels like a redo of their classic dungeon set, just the shoulders and helm are.. kinda weirdly bulky and shaped

fiery island
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Like the Aberrus set would've been a more appropriate set this tier than what they got lol

deep pawn
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I like the druid tier

harsh mason
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In short, I am 100% sure that Vyranoth was voiced by Laura Bailey

silent urchin
harsh mason
rain cave
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shouldn't the voice actors be in the credits for the expansions?

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don't they still release those

silent urchin
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Funnily enough that tweet is from a thread talking about it

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the expansion release itself has credits, patches often don't get included

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and most voice actors aren't credited for specific characters

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just credited in general

rain cave
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perhaps they should do patch credits

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or credits for end of expansion

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or just release a friends style intro video showing all the characters

silent urchin
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You have to sit through A LOT of credits to get to the voice actors, and it's just listed like this

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Rhona doesn't feature, it seems. I don't think Vyranoth had any lines in 10.0

upper pasture
silent urchin
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emerald dream races are a bit weird. I assume just not quite finished.

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Mostly longer ones. But also some you can beat the gold time by almost 30s

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there's one where the gold time is 102s, silver 105, and bronze anything above that

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One of them is just flat out impossible cause it goes out of bounds right now

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and a few others have weirdly placed checkpoints almost entirely inside objects

short prism
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DF season 4 mount, huh

pulsar minnow
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Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a fated mount

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I feel like DF could still pull off a 10.3, like it’s definitely possible. That said with their wording I’m not sure

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Idk why they don’t just straight up tell us

sleek solar
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Yeah I think season 3 would be the max

tepid fiber
upper pasture
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“But we were promised”

upper pasture
harsh mason
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We can assume a lot of things (and given that they always start making a new expansion BEFORE some patches in the current expansion begin to be released), then until they themselves directly say which patch is the final one-no argzment is a proof

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At the moment, it's not that they didn't say anything, they generally refused to answer the question (and this was asked by almost everyone who interviewed. So obviously it's not about the fated season

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Therefore, personally, I just ignore the "iron proof" and wait for the answer of the developers themselves

tepid fiber
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Remember when PTR was the sneak peek and people didn't want a PTR for PTR's next content? Pepperidge Farm remembers

upper pasture
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I miss not knowing about the PTR lol

crystal pond
short prism
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which would fit, given we’ve had black, red and now green

crystal pond
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Yeah i thinked that too but it has more purple and teal colors

short prism
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the only flight that wouldn’t have a glad mount would be the bronze flight

crystal pond
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But it 100% still in progreas because if its void / blue themed its red sparks out of place there

deep pawn
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raid schedule means the earliest patch can be is 10/17 which is coincidentally the latest it could be pre-Blizzcon haha

deep pawn
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I wonder why blizzard hasn't realized they need to make raiding a lot better if they want people to run it

warm topaz
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in terms of boss design?

deep pawn
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Not sure if I can explain why raiding can be boring, the biggest issue is time commitment to do a whole raid, or having to do bosses you don't want to do to get to later ones, etc

short prism
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aberrus is a lot of fun

upper pasture
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I’m not sure what you mean, that’s sorta the point of raiding. It takes a group and it’s a time investment. Tbh I feel like they have made improvements to raiding to make it more accessible. Raiding gear isn’t always top tier anymore or you can get competitive gear from other activities. Flex raiding no longer requires 10 or 25 players you can be between 10-30. There’s no more attunements for raids. There’s wings now in raids which really once you have the skip you can just do a minimum of 3-5 bosses to clear a wing and get to the last boss. I’m not really sure why you don’t think that’s accessible

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Like remember 40 man raids? Remember only being able to do 10 OR 25 in a week

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like clearly that has to be a bait statement

ember blaze
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Re killing the same trash the next day

upper pasture
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theres also not like half an hour of trash between each boss either

ember blaze
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If you didn’t soulstone a healer you have to run for 100 miles.

upper pasture
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yall are we playing the same game???

ember blaze
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Item acquisition can suck too with not being able to target items

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Though that’s also a m+ problem

upper pasture
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sounds like less of a problem and more of thats just the game. if the raids were more like TotGC yall would complain blizzard was lazy with game design and couldnt make something bigger than one room.

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hell please to this day hate on TotGC because of how small the raid was even though it was like 5 encounters(?)

deep pawn
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I hate having to do 3 non tier bosses to get to tier

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Like I just end up pugging, but that means someone has to kill those bosses I don't need

upper pasture
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thats like literally only a problem for like 4 weeks and then youll be fine. just catalyst you pieces and with void curio even LESS of a problem

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but also youre complaining from a pugs perpective, which tbh pugging should ALWAYS be a last resort not for which the activity is built upon

deep pawn
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It's just as bloody boring to me in guild

upper pasture
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pros and cons my guy

tepid fiber
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Maybe you prefer mythics more than raiding. That's fine too

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Or maybe you need to try running with different groups

deep pawn
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Like for a month straight I only needed Sark and Rashok

harsh mason
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this is Fyrakk's skybox

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But I think it's most likely a portal to Arden

deep pawn
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I want to do the raid in lfr wings on heroic and normal

upper pasture
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im gonna have to disagree you can already sorta pull that off with how the raids have been set up

harsh mason
deep pawn
harsh mason
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They can easily release 10.2 in the same week as blizzcon

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And the raid after blizzcon

deep pawn
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No they can't

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because there's raid prep RWF types have to do

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they'd have to skip Blizzcon

harsh mason
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They don't have a strict schedule, they are not interested in the WF race

deep pawn
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travel and stuff

harsh mason
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Therefore , they can

deep pawn
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they aren't going to make the best 50-60 players in the world miss Blizzcon

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it'll either be the 17th or after Blizzcon, more likely after

harsh mason
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They will not adjust their plans to 40-60 players who nobody cares about

deep pawn
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They already have cause you can tell it'll likely be post blizzcon

upper pasture
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well i dont think they will drop it the week of blizzcon on the fact of it would be sorta weird for attendees

harsh mason
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I'll even say more, the patch release cycle is 7-8 weeks and it's just the end of October-the beginning of November

upper pasture
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not everyone travels with their PC and it would just suck for raids at blizzcon but if they drop the patch the following tuesday (11/7)

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then raid a week later 11/14

deep pawn
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10/17 or 11/7 no in between

upper pasture
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sure thing kyle

deep pawn
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when else do you see it? Raid testing goes til the 16th

upper pasture
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can you not read? 10.2 11/7 (tuesday after con) raid a week later

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gives like what 6 weeks until christmas which is plently of time for RWF to happen and end

deep pawn
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And 11/7 is one of the two I say, lol

warm topaz
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people so rude here sometimes

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😦

upper pasture
pulsar minnow
deep pawn
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I'd have loved an option to do just assault, rashok, zskarn mid season.

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without joining a group after the first 3

pulsar minnow
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You can just join a group on that boss tho?

deep pawn
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You can but that group has had to do earlier bosses, if you're in a set group that only needs those bosses you have to kill bosses no one needs or wants, etc

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there's skips to the last 2 bosses, but not to middle bosses and maybe that's something that needs to change

pulsar minnow
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Kinda defeats the point of raids if you can just skip half of it

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I mean they could add skips to raids! Oh wait…

upper pasture
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Just make your own group doing first boss then right side? Like I don’t see the problem here he’ll I’m sure plenty of raid groups do do that

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I guess you could do bomb man but hey

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Couldn’t

deep pawn
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It's outdated that you need to do the raid from front to back every week past the first couple weeks of the season. I love how 14 lets do stuff in any order after you clear first time.

upper pasture
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Idk, what you seem to be complaining about is very for a lack of a better term a “you” problem. Takes my guild no time to clear H and that’s with alts too

deep pawn
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I just get bored as hell killing Kazzara for the 20th time when all I want is Rashok haha

upper pasture
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Sometimes you gotta put in effort to get the things you want

pulsar minnow
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Do you clear 3 times or 4 times to get the skip? I forgot

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Bc 3 times isn’t a lot tbh

deep pawn
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4 times and you only get to skip to the last 2 bosses.

upper pasture
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You have to clear the first boss then you have the option to do the last two right away

pulsar minnow
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Is there not a skip to zskarn?

upper pasture
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Just like VotI

pulsar minnow
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I swear there was

upper pasture
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There isn’t, you have to kill both the end wing bosses which unlocks Zskarn

pulsar minnow
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Ah

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It’s the tp

deep pawn
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and I honestly forgot you have to keep killing the first

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last month I was playing this season I only needed last boss

pulsar minnow
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Well I guess the solution is to just make the raid layout more similar to VOTI dracthyr_shrug

deep pawn
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they can take ideas from their competition and stuff, but they're pretty set on raids having to be deep delves that take over an hour

upper pasture
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an hour once or twice a week is not the huge commitment you think it is

deep pawn
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an hour is lucky if you one shot everything

upper pasture
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i mean i know this isnt everyone but my guild clears H in 1hr 15/30mins

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im sure theres people that do it fast and people who do it slower

deep pawn
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AND we've been blessed with shorter raids this expac

pulsar minnow
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I mean if you don’t have time for a raid just do a dungeon 🤷‍♂️

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That’s what I’ve done this season

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My only complaint really with DF is that there’s no major challenging solo content, Torghast for all its faults was at least something to challenge myself with

deep pawn
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Except raiding is mandatory for gear that's good in m+

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Imagine healing without a rashok's

pulsar minnow
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Then just do it when you have the time?

deep pawn
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there's ways they can make things better for players in 2023. That's what I'm suggesting

pulsar minnow
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More raid skips then, that’s fine

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But like LFR queues into Normal and Heroic? For specific bosses? That kills the premade groupfinder

upper pasture
deep pawn
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Not like solo queue, but if a group wants to just do wing 2, they can do that and just enter that part

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I see it more as like mythic dungeons but in the raid

austere gazelle
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so, now Sylvanas is sending holo message from the Maw... ? can she stay where she is and stop polluting storyline from miles away like a fallen influencer ? 😏

rain cave
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it makes sense

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can't have heritage for undead without sylvanas being in there somewhere

upper lantern
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We just had night elf heritage without Tyrande or Malfurion

rain cave
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yeah

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and people complained about it

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it's not like they didn't have tyrnade's VA around

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they're even hinting the heritage continues in 10.2

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for the tyrande tint

austere gazelle
scarlet scroll
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her little speech is optional and only available to loyalists, which self-selects for enthusiasts. So you can easily not see her.

rain cave
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heritage armors are not related to expansions either

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they just are

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sure there might be some ties but usually heritage questlines are pretty self contained

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and I could say the same about thrall

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thrall was in wrath, cata, mop, wod, legion, bfa and shadowlands

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even jaina managed to go on retirement for an xpac or two

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and that was overarching stories that weren't necessarily related to them at a glance

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this is literally THE forsaken/undead heritage questline. sylvanas will be there in some form, even if it was just going to be a speech about her influence

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look at all the other heritage things, they take you throw the history, culture and ideas of the race

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and sylvanas was literally the face of the undead as a faction.

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for example if demon hunters ever get a questline unique to them, I fully expect illidan to have some kind of influence on that story, even if it's just in passing.

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same with DK's and bolvar

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draenei and velen

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trolls and vol'jin

austere gazelle
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I know. Just salty about the time invested in this character who lowered others

warm topaz
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someone have done the Velen quest already?

sacred turtle
warm topaz
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ty ❤️

ionic terrace
pulsar minnow
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The social media team has been killing it lately

harsh mason
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I wonder, will be a new build today🤔

silent urchin
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there was a new vendor yesterday

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so possibly

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there's actually been two vendor2 builds since ptr went up, although the first was end of last week

junior bolt
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any new tyr quests this week?