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short prism
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crabs walk sideways irl and it’s so particular and i cant name another game that lets me

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ride a crab that way

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it’s neat and inspired :3 why is that goofy idk

rain cave
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I don't think crabs have to walk sideways though irl?

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isn't that just a myth that they have to walk sideways

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like a cartoon stereotype, that's why it's goofy

upper pasture
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oh sweet, so the infinite and bronze might actually join forces like i theorized

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i mean Noz HAS to become Mur at some point so it would make sense to somehow try to bridge the gap between the two factions, has the infinite really done anything that bad outside of trying to turn Noz?

warm topaz
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have we seen this?

short prism
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like, on the jersey beach there’s a ton of little crabs that do it

deep pawn
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better be benediction

rain cave
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But honestly if even we're not bothered about preserving the timeline anymore

tepid fiber
rain cave
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They don't bring the end time actually

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They just tried to undo certain events in azeroth

tepid fiber
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They don't bring it but they go out of their way to cause changes to events that would accelerate it

rain cave
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Like dark portal

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Arthas

tepid fiber
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They play with the cause and effect

upper pasture
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yeah but that was to like bring about murzond? right? like of course they want to bring about their faction

tepid fiber
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Yes, and changing those events would accelerate the start of the End Time

rain cave
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If our idea of preserving the timeline is gone. We now just look like people who went back in time to make sure atrocities happened

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I remember end time being if deathwing won, just a potential alternative

upper pasture
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im sure to some we already do look like that

rain cave
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Not something the infinite caused outright

upper pasture
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all im saying is the infinite might not be all bad. theyve tried to bring about the endtime to make Murzond but what if there was an alliance made and Noz would willing become him to rule over that faction. leaving say Sori or Chromie in charge of the bronze and him leading the infinites then they can divvy up the responsibilities of maintaining the timeline and all that that encompasses. to me it would seem like a neat way to finally resolve that Mur/Noz storyline instead of dragging it out over and over again

warm topaz
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yeah, more pirates

silent urchin
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was that on the trading post before?

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I'm pretty sure both it and the red one that's available were

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unless I'm getting confused and they'd only been datamined

short prism
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only the red one has been available so far on the TP

short prism
rain cave
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if we get all the pirate mog now, what will be left for the xpac

warm topaz
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i mean

upper pasture
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could also be that people have been asking for pirate mogs and now that theres outlets for it they are giving us what we ask for plus trading post means that theres pirates trying to steal the goods too 😛 so it fits but id like to believe its expansion teasing

rain cave
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if it was expansion teasing I'm depressed there's been no void mogs yet

upper pasture
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i mean, maybe those themes are being saved for raid sets

rain cave
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ik ik but give me ethereal body armor

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as a global transmog set

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would love that

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can't wait for them to get around to exploring void more, even just how it clashes with other cultures

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the aesthetic is delightfully devilish

deep pawn
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the buccaneer sets are too simple to be used for gear rewards

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it'd be more akin to what the npc crew wear

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I'm not sure I like either the Infinites being turned into the White Flight or Vyranoth being force changed...

rain cave
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sigh thinkin about potential alternate specs again

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would wardens be rogues or hunters?

short prism
short prism
tepid fiber
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Rogue. Even in Hearthstone Maiev is a rogue hero

rain cave
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it's strange because they kind of blur the line fantasy wise

upper pasture
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HS blur the line? never.

tepid fiber
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I mean, main canon characters are rarely purely a specific class

rain cave
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no not HS

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just wardens

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they are a blurred line

rain cave
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could be nice to know our characters have strengths and weaknesses instead of just being able to do everything should it be demanded

tepid fiber
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You can't categorize everything into perfect organized little boxes. Classes are primarily just there for gameplay mechanics and simplicity

rain cave
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ik ik but, lets use thrall as an example

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bro was pretty confidently an enhance shaman back inthe day

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his weapon was an icon

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but then in cata-wod he was a pretty elemental guy

tepid fiber
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And even now he leans more towards Warrior than Shaman

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One of Drek'Thar's greatest criticisms was that Thrall spent more time wielding his hammer than he did the elements

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And before he ever embraced shamanism, he'd be somewhere between a warrior and a rogue anyway considering his education and background

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So, yes, thank you, Thrall is a perfect example of characters not being defined by being one specific class. I appreciate you mentioning him

short prism
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warden is somewhere at the crux of paladin, hunter and rogue imo

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like— elune paladin

deep pawn
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wardens use a lot of darker magic paladins wouldn't

short prism
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well yeah, wardens don’t fit into any one class, we’re just talking about what they’re most similar to

short prism
rain cave
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especially if they're going to be more experimental

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since they've got all the basic specs in, if they had more ideas that could be full specs we'd probably have them

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but because augmentation went down well considering how out of the norm it is. I reckon they'll take that as approval to experiment

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Personally I'd love to see a commander type warrior, Or even a battlemaster, who focuses back on the old stance switching and buffs his allies through maneuvers like that

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a DK spec focused on their other core fantasy, runes. Buffing people by giving their weapons runes and summoning rune weapon copies

deep pawn
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Ranged holy dps from paladin or priest please

rain cave
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we do need a ranged holy dps

deep pawn
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Call it Inquisitor

rain cave
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I envision it basically as fire mage without the DoT component, just absolutely whaling into people with pure straight damage

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chuck in some thematic utility like chaining people down

deep pawn
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Paladin likely better since they don't have a ranged spec already.

short prism
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they meant in terms of gameplay

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it would be like fire mage

short prism
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chronomancer is possible as a fully dedicated time magic mage spec

rain cave
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honestly I'd be open to something other than chronomancer

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because evokers have carved a decent chunk of the niche

short prism
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kinda, they like

rain cave
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evokers and mages do have a lot of overlap already

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ice, fire, time

short prism
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idk, they don’t give me the fantasy of being a time-wizard

short prism
rain cave
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I reckon mages should get something completely out of the blue

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since mages use arcane, but arcane can be transmuted into other things with fire and frost

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transmutaiton/conjuration themed spec?

short prism
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melee mage spec

rain cave
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or you could give them a volatile arcane spec

short prism
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battle mage time

rain cave
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since the normal arcane spec is very ordered

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but I'd love to see them lean into the like

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dripping with exploding arcane magic

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fantasy

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imagine a drunken brawler but as a casting spec basically

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rotating abilities, random procs, borrowing effects from other things entirely

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a channeler of magics, not just a single kind

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it would potentially lean into the chronomancer fantasy as well

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because you could have those wild surges of magic echo old boss abilities if you wanted to get really meta

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or the HFC tier set of summoning heroes from the past

short prism
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all i truly want in my heart

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is a sham tank

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that’s all i want

rain cave
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honestly they could give mages a void spec

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instead of the shadow madness of shadow priests, leaning into the colder more cosmic void we've seen people liek xalatath and sarkareth using

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blue void

dry pumice
dry pumice
# short prism battle mage time

There was that one boss in the Suramar raid that was a battle mage that cycled through Arcane, Fire and Frost mechanics. Something like that would be sweet for mage

warm topaz
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lets see how people react to tmog + 500 tenders

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xdd

short prism
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instead of a strictly structured “you are one element”, a harmony of the main three could be really sick as a spec idea

tepid fiber
upper pasture
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Only thing I think is weird about it is it’s pretty on par with last months set which came with no tender and was only 15$ now this one comes out and is 25$?

tepid fiber
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I mean, $25 is more than a token

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Wink wink, nudge nudge

rain cave
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nothing is more encrypted than paid cosmetics I've noticed

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like whenever a paid set is added

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it always just appears

upper pasture
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Oh I never use actual money for shop items only Bnet balance lol

rain cave
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how do people get tokens

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those things are expensive af

tepid fiber
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Probably because it's listed differently--would make sense considering the cash shop mog disappearing bug

tepid fiber
upper pasture
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Playing the game.

rain cave
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raiding and M+ don't give you gold bruh

upper pasture
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Crafting, dragon races, gold weeklies

rain cave
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I did professions at the beginning of the xpac

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like I had a toon dedicated to purely herbalism and alchemy

tepid fiber
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Fr I can knock out one a month and I only play 1-3 hours a week now

rain cave
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crafting things was literally a loss

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for some things

tepid fiber
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You have to do all the things

upper pasture
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If I truly wanted to I could make the gold to buy a WoW token each week

tepid fiber
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And also, I mean, read the economy

rain cave
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how what professions are you doing

tepid fiber
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Any of them

upper pasture
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Wdym I’ve made lots of gold off of just commissions

rain cave
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alchemy is piss for profits

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there's no commissions

tepid fiber
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I make more gold off of battle pets than I do professions anyway

rain cave
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for alchemy

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or enchanting

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I check every other day

tepid fiber
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Alchemy is my third biggest earner for professions

rain cave
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how though the material costs are more than the fucking flasks themselves

tepid fiber
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By getting the materials yourself

rain cave
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and I don't even have the recipes for half the shit

tepid fiber
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That's basic economics

rain cave
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I get the plants myself yeah

tepid fiber
rain cave
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idk how

warm topaz
tepid fiber
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Man if only a site like wowhead existed

upper pasture
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Or having the person who wants it provide them. Hell I made 100k off a spore cloak just because “I was there”

rain cave
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haven't done alchemy since 10.0

tepid fiber
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Maybe that's why you're not making any gold in Alchemy

rain cave
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no as in

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at launch

tepid fiber
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I mean come on, buddy

rain cave
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when I was doing alchemy

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I wasn't making any profits really

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best I could do was sell herbs

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but that got me nothing really

tepid fiber
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Because you didn't do all you could do

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Well, maybe all you could do

rain cave
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I was literally gathering for like

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2 hours straight

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maxing my herbalism

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multiple days a week sometimes

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I'm still using the plants from then to do my weeklies

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I haven't had to gather in ages

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professions are just confusing every time I've tried to make money with them it fails

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like in BfA I spent a week maxing alchemy and made hundreds of flasks

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only for none of them to even fucking sell

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had to vendor them at the start of SL

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I was going to try do some more alchemy but the thing I need requires an altar of decay

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which.. is in a fucking dungeon

tepid fiber
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Then you do the dungeon, what's the problem

rain cave
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my profession character doesn't have gear

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he's a profession slave

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and a DPS class

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so it's a pain in the ass to put together a group

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just so I can try craft 1 thing

tepid fiber
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Pebkac, got it

rain cave
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rude

deep pawn
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That set is not worth 25 when it'll be on the trading post over and over.

vernal juniper
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New #Warcraft build found:
Vendor 2 (wowv2)🔐: 10.2.0.51150 --> 10.2.0.51189

Found at: 09-01-2023@08:19:44 UTC

warm topaz
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a lot of builds

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4 this week

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or 3

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what is 1.15?

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this new SoM not SoM?

harsh mason
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They, apparently, just download all the builds for 10.2 at once, lol. There's another build

warm topaz
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there are a lot of 1.15 builds to

crystal pond
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Eh anyway ptr is only on the next week

deep pawn
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has to be since if they delay any longer they start coming up against Thanksgiving

warm topaz
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the fifth 5 min ago

silent urchin
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judging by the build numbers, that's probably not uncommon

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just rare for them to hit the cdn

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goes up by like 2-300 a week, although that's spread across at least like 8 different branches now (classic, classic hardcore, wotlk classic, retail, and the various PTRs all share build numbers for whatever reason)

silent urchin
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huh, 10.1.7 ptr update

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might have happened a bit ago

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apparently 5min ago

short prism
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any idea what was added

silent urchin
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not a clue

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Possibly just a hotfix rollup or something

dry pumice
obtuse vine
silent urchin
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what about corsairs. Or privateers. Or..

upper pasture
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or people on boats

pulsar minnow
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Honestly I gotta say I think next expansion is gonna be a world revamp after the no pirate tweet

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We know they’ve been working on something like it for a while, and it’s the 20th anniversary and 10th expansion to the game. It just kinda makes sense

ember blaze
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Are people asking for cata 2.0 or something

gloomy sleet
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Yes, but I also liked cata unlike I guess the majority at the time

short prism
pulsar minnow
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I don’t think a world revamp would be a bad thing if it’s expanding the world. Imagine every zone we’ve had but now sized up to match modern zones

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So they could fill so much more room with new stuff and new towns, locations, sub zones, environments, etc

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So less of just having content in old zones with a modern art style, and more of rediscovering Azeroth with entirely new terrain and locations

crystal pond
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The problem of cata wasn't the world revamp (though people was crying about old zones) but the patches

deep pawn
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That's cause the revamp took so much dev time they had to cut a raid and reuse assets to make the last one.

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That's why I say any world revamp would have to be max level content for now

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What if 10.3 sees Tyr or maybe even a Titan do a reorigination that we stop mid process

warm topaz
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noo This Week in WoW post yet

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curious

short prism
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i highly doubt that would be a problem they face in the modern

crystal pond
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I mean
We already have bronze dragons that can sent you back to old zones pre bfa

short prism
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exactly

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there's no way it would be a cata 2.0, and people who call a world revamp that are just being

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whats the word

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silly!!

ember blaze
pulsar minnow
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I think that if they do a world revamp they gotta redo everything including the world design of the old zones. It’s terrible. Woo hoo flat area with mountains in a square around the zone. Totally not breaking immersion at all

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That would suck

short prism
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Yeah, I cant imagine if we got a world revamp would things stay the exact same, layout wise.

pulsar minnow
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But a revamped world that fully delivers on the fantasy of these zones and their og concept art? Or heck even new takes on the zones would be awesome

short prism
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With dragonriding and all that, a world remade for it in mind would probably be a lot...bigger

pulsar minnow
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Imagine a revamped iron forge

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Like this

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(Obviously that’s asking a lot so maybe it’d be scaled down but you get the idea)

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Along with the other capital cities of course

dense plover
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i mean, they would need to focus their attention

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you cant do everywhere

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realistically, doing the two main capitals makes the most sense

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the problem is theyre both in the open world, which means space for a remake is limited without adjusting everything else

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i think redoing old zones would be easy on a smaller scale - instead of actually redoing most of the zones, just update existing assets like trees, ground textures, and buildings where possible

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for some zones, maybe restore parts of them if you can avoid disrupting quests

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thats absolutely the biggest hold up for redoing old zones - either you have to redo the questlines, or you have to phase the zone, in which case, there needs to be relevant content there

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thats also true for capital cities and their quests, which is likely why asset upgrades and replacements are the best choice

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i still dont know how theyre going to integrate dragon riding in old zones when many of them lack launch points and the terrain that makes dragonriding so functional

pulsar minnow
dense plover
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because theyre built for it

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imagine trying to continue flying across the barrens or silithus

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or arathi

deep pawn
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That's why I think if they do revamp the continents they won't be quite as big as they are now since they won't be needed for levelling

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So we'll see each continent broken into 3 zones

short prism
dense plover
short prism
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(discover anew as in see what actually has happened in the many years since cata)

dense plover
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too many zones and theyre so much smaller than modern zones

short prism
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it is a lot of work, but we’re also talking about the 20th year anniversary for the 10th expansion, with a larger, newer team of developers

dense plover
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you vastly underestimate how hard Cata was on the team, more people means more gets done but you can only do SO much

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hell, its looking like we might not even get a 10.3

short prism
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I am very much not in the no 10.3 crowd, I can’t imagine with the current patch cadence that we’d go nearly a full year without a major content patch

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10.1.7 is about to launch, 10.2 is about to be on the ptr. Why would we not get a 10.3 when nothing has suggested patch cadence is going to come to a halt

dense plover
pulsar minnow
dense plover
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also, some zones have huge mountains between them, so youll glide and then get stuck

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and be unable to regain momentum

short prism
pulsar minnow
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You got six points of vigor and get one every five seconds. Just two ascends can get you to coasting level

short prism
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it would be weird to put the 10.2 major patch out on ptr when we’re getting a big story step with 10.1.7

pulsar minnow
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Eh, they’ve done it before tho

short prism
pulsar minnow
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And if the mountains “get in the way” you just land on them. Then dive bomb down and gain vigor again to ascend

short prism
# pulsar minnow Eh, they’ve done it before tho

We’ll just have to see if it takes a while after 10.1.7 releases, there could be like…maybe more particular reasons we can’t see since we haven’t had any of the actual story stuff accessible

short prism
mossy meteor
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so nobody's working

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expect one tomorrow

warm topaz
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oh didn't know that

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thanks mate

mossy meteor
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yep

tepid fiber
deep pawn
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Lots are working, just corporate offices usually close.

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and the government

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But I wanna see "Forest Kalimdor" "Desert Kalimdor" and "Jungle Kalimdor"

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I actually kinda hate how well that would work.

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just tack Silithus into jungle area and it splits well

rain cave
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whatever the world revamp is is most likely to contain the elements for big plot threads

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if DF is a 2 patch expansion, but was planned to be from the start

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could make sense if we get a massive world revamp expansion

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DF also introducing the overhauled systems early

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basically whatever is next has to address the void story going on in the background somehow

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if a world revamp? sure, maybe there's a few areas of the map with void incursions scouting us out. Like felwood with the legion, or the venture co just being around

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could be a nice change of pace to just have a bunch of much smaller local stories like classic quests that are connected to the grand raid stories in some way

tepid fiber
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Were ifs and buts candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas

rain cave
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honestly if it's a world revamp wouldn't surprise me if they started scrapping levelling

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as in levelling for this new xpac

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idk

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people are almost certainly over-reading into the ybarra tweet

upper pasture
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They aren’t going to “throw out” leveling. It’s literally one of the core things about RPGs

ember blaze
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throw out one class per character

deep pawn
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I mean it likely is no pirates

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but nothing about sailors

warm topaz
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but Ion said that at the end of DF, Dragon Isles would become the leveling zone for new players.

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If you make a revamp of Kalimdor and Easter Kingdom, what would be the point of not putting the leveling there?

deep pawn
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it'd be max level levelling

upper lantern
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I hope we get an announcement for playable paladins/shamans in 10.2 announcement

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which I hope happens this week haha

subtle oar
crystal pond
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the question is: will they do it?

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||they will not||

subtle oar
short prism
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but that’s not something i’m bidding on

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I think if we do get druid for all races within the 10.2 window, that’s like a…10.2.5 thing maybe

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(Since, you know, world tree + emerald dream shit is going DOWN)

upper lantern
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Yeah, makes sense if we get druids soon, with the patch being about the emerald dream

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I figured we'd get druids and pallies first because it'd demand less extra assets than druid, but yeah

short prism
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yeah, the biggest thing with paladin is the lore portion of it afaik. each of the races already has a racial mount, so making a light forged version of those mounts isn’t necessarily like

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as much work as creating animal hybrids with each race. justifying the different cultural implications of paladins and whatnot is far more important imo

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or a version of druidism in some of the more special cases (i wouldn’t mind if most of the races got like the worgen, tauren, troll treatment but atleast a few should be like kul tiran/zandalari, where they have a different fantasy than typical druid stuff)

rain cave
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I'd just like it if we could get to the meat and potatoes of the game faster

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like those zones can still be there, full of quests

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that reward you with specific stuff.

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instead of just being there for XP points

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so new toons, can level doing the zones

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but they also provide content for max players

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I honestly believe they could do an xpac where they don't raise level cap.

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it was on my cards for DF

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do I think it'll be next xpac? probably not, but depends on how big they're going

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or even if you want to keep levelling in with a new level cap. they've done 5 level increases before, do a 5 level cap increase with a very fast set of introductory campaign quests

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idk

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I just like throwing out ideas of ways they can potentially improve the game and streamline it for the content people actually play the game for by en-large, raiding, pushing keys, PvP, etc

upper pasture
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Removing leveling wouldn’t be an improvement to me and I’d bet at least half the players would agree. Leveling is a core thing in WoW and just removing it would be a huge step backwards

tepid fiber
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Get that god damn instant matching esports circlejerk mindset out of here dracthyr_lulmao

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God, talk about disconnected from reality

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The amount of instant gratification lust is unreal

upper pasture
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Leveling IS part of the game. Leveling teaches you how to play your class, gives you lore insight, rewards your character with gold. Just because M+ monkeys want to skip over all that doesn’t mean blizzard should make it so

tepid fiber
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That and it's still an MMORPG

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Exactly. That's what League or RAID Shadow Legends is for

upper pasture
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Also didn’t they give us an expansion with only 5 levels and it was one of they worst received expansions on a pve outlook?

ember blaze
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leveling do be giving you a sense of progression, specially with new spells/ talents coming about

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remove one class per character tho blush_peepo_2

short prism
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like

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one spec or what

deep pawn
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there was a couple actually

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Cata 85, MoP 90

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MoP is generally pretty well received

ember blaze
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@short prismlike final fantasy 14

short prism
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oh, no thank you

ember blaze
short prism
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i like making multiple characters for multiple classes!! it’s fun and gets people thinking about the roleplay portion of the game

ember blaze
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and you would be able to... lol

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like i said, it changes nothing

short prism
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ok

ember blaze
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but if someone only likes playing human for example

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and doesnt really care for leveling another character, they just have multiple classes on one char

tepid fiber
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I'm happy with WoW being WoW and FF being FF. Different games are allowed to be different, and too much homogenization makes stuff more boring and less interesting

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Don't fix what isn't broken

ember blaze
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maybe

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you can always learn from what can be outdated concepts in old games

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such as factions

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game could have stayed without cross faction play

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but imo it became a whole lot better with the changes

deep pawn
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I wouldn't be against having both options cause sharing gear is great, but wanting a different looking character and most things being character locked...

upper pasture
rain cave
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people freaking out as if I'm saying that everyone should spawn in with max level equiavlent

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the tutorial thing is a false pretense anyway, WoW really struggles with bringing in new players, so evidently questing isn't do an amazing job.

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there are improvements to the new player experience

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but the issue is really from the other systems not levelling

tepid fiber
rain cave
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I'm just saying that levelling could be sped up and de-emphasized, since it's largely inconsqeuential to what people actually want to do

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new murlocs?

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what

tepid fiber
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Leveling is already faster and more streamlined by default than ever before

tepid fiber
# rain cave new murlocs?

Ingame mentors like myself and others here see new players in the Newcomer Chat and ingame identified by murloc icons next to their names and above their characters like a spotlight

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Even here in the server there are regularly people advertising themselves as new players

rain cave
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this server is not representative of the playerbase at large

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we are in the minority in our opinions of the game

tepid fiber
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That's why I also said the other things, such as ingame

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But cherrypick, thank you

rain cave
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not cherrypicking at all

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I didn't comment on your ingame thing because I've not got anything to say to it

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but we've tried introducing friends to WoW

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and they just don't get it at all

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it's very difficult for people who have no frame of reference

tepid fiber
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That's why it's best to talk about what you know

rain cave
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why the passive aggressive?

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:p

tepid fiber
rain cave
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just saying that by en-large most of the people playing the game see levelling as a hassle

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and de-emphasizing it as part of the launch of an expansion frees them up to do other cooler things

tepid fiber
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Based on?

rain cave
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all my friends lmao

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and how every levelling video is how to do it quicker and easier

tepid fiber
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Your friends are not representative of the playerbase at large

rain cave
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neither are you

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just my experience

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but like, everything online in the community points towards people wanting to trivialize and skip through levelling as much as they can

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that's just a fact, even blizz share the perspective since they've been de-emphasizing levelling for multiple expansions now

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there's also the issues of level bloat

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adding more talents, new levels mean an ilvl inflation

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etc

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if questing is the issue, we already know quests can work without levelling attached to it

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see warlock questlines, blue dragon questline, campaign quests in general

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I just wish for them to give us more cool side shit, and if that means cutting back levelling as an emphasis, that makes completel sense to me.

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I'm not saying remove levelling and have everyone start at max lmao

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alternatively they could lean IN to levelling and actually make it more engaging

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if we're getting hardcore servers in classic, it shows they're open to gimmicks

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seasonal roguelike realms for classic/retail perhaps? where you get random buffs as you level

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that could be fun

tepid fiber
ember blaze
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i liked the old progression before scaling

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gear progression was there too

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now it's like 0 stat gains or +1 secondary

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with higher ilvl gear

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and with everything scaling you never feel like youre getting stronger

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leveling also was faster susge

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but i would have loved the current talent trees when i started

tepid fiber
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I'd recommend trying out leveling a new character through the default/recommended leveling path to get a better feel for how leveling is now

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Because it is much faster than before, and gains per level are quite a big deal

ember blaze
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they slowed down leveling in the early levels tho

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and ive leveled multiple characters already PES2_Shrug

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they killed all sense of progression levelin had

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outside of talent trees which are ap ositive

short prism
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leveling has been very fun for me and my friends new to the game

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i just got a friend hooked onto wow, and they’ve loved it a lot already :3

sleek solar
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I just want Stormwind more to scale

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Dammit

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Just imagine a huge SW

tepid fiber
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I mean imagine if Gadgetzan

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sleek solar
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Trueee

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Catal revamp pleaseeeee

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Also revamp Quel Thalas

tepid fiber
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Elves get enough free swag, the time of the goblin is nigh

warm topaz
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something tell me that today is 10.2 announcement

crystal pond
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ptr this Thursday
Will be surprised if not lol

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Its weird that we still dont have 10.2 ptr

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Or at least any datamine about that

subtle oar
crystal pond
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Maybe they not opening ptr due spoilers hmmmm

mossy meteor
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It's not that weird

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I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to announce it tomorrow and ptr on Thursday

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So they give some leeway for spoilers

warm topaz
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i mean, a lot of content creators are tweeting about it

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"a lot" you know

deep pawn
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I still think ptr should have been weeks ago. This season is dragging

vernal juniper
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ptr will be today or in 2 days

vagrant narwhal
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whatever tomorrou brings i'll be there with open arms and open eyes

crystal pond
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Previous ptrs of future patches was 2-3 weaks before launch of the patch and now its like few days
Why...?

fiery island
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They're really playing this one close to the chest. By this time last patch cycle we'd had a dev patch presentation I feel like

warm topaz
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yes

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we had

fiery island
warm topaz
silent urchin
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what if the final step of the secrets event gives us a url to an unlisted youtube video announcing 10.2

fiery island
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Maybe more

warm topaz
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i think at least 2 month

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at this point the week after blizzcon

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but hey, if it is sooner, im happy

crystal pond
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I think its at the end or in the middle of November

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The new book come out 20-21 November so like
Around that date?

uncut vault
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10.0.7-10.1 was 6 weeks, iirc

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Which lines up with the expectation of mid-October for 10.2

warm topaz
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oh really? nice

subtle oar
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Its leak season but there's a real lack of fun "leaks"/leak coverage

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Shits always fun to read/listen to

ionic terrace
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10.1.5 has been renamed to 10.2.0 on the bnet client

silent urchin
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👀

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so it has

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still a 10.1.5 build though

uncut vault
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Pretty much means 100% getting a build in the next few days

warm topaz
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thursday 16:30 CEST

vernal juniper
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I can't remember on previus patch when they did the same change, how long after the patch went actually live

vernal juniper
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10.2 emeral dream almost confirmed

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the new chapter has its name

mossy meteor
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September 7

(Article) In Development
warm topaz
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based

mossy meteor
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based

vernal juniper
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10.2 Emeral Dream confirmed according to their pattern

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name of the patch

deep pawn
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They're going to tie the secret event to interviews for the patch, lol

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This patch won't be live in 5.5 weeks because they have to test a whole raid, likely 6 dungeons in m+ unless they bring back the season 1 DF dungeons

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Actually, all 8 since the mega dungeon needs massive changes for m+

vernal juniper
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well remember they have a full team of testers now

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even the beta was like 4 months or so

warm topaz
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Ion said that they want to do that

deep pawn
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I hope there's new dungeons but I'm starting to doubt

vernal juniper
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one it will be siege of boralus

deep pawn
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6 legacy dungeons would feel so blah

warm topaz
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like it will be a shame if emerald dream does not have a dungeon

vernal juniper
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they already datamined the change in the map

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from lvl 60 to lvl 70

deep pawn
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They did that to a lot of dungeons. Not just siege

vernal juniper
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oh they found more then, do you have a list? Siege was the 1st

warm topaz
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what you mean with changes to the map Slock?

deep pawn
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Plus I hope the big negative reaction even the hint of siege coming back was enough to make them reconsider

vernal juniper
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now it is 5 players lvl 70

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this means it will be probably in season 3

warm topaz
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oh okay

deep pawn
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Getting a siege key would almost be enough for me to stop playing each week, lol

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I want no bfa dungeons lol

warm topaz
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i barely play dungs in BFA curious to see Siege

vernal juniper
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I think 2 dugeons will be the DAWN p1 and P2

warm topaz
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thats for surue yeah

vernal juniper
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+2 from season 1

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  • siege, +others 3 one can be scalet monastery, it was a mop challnge after all
short prism
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siege of boralus was mad easy as a tank

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i prefer it over freehold

tepid fiber
warm topaz
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im going to like it then

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i play with some friends

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and like those dungeons

tepid fiber
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Again, more pug problems avoided by avoiding pug life

short prism
junior bolt
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i want waycrest manor for the vibe

vernal juniper
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I think they use only 1 dungeon per old expantion

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and if it is Siege, bfa will be locked out

junior bolt
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cant wait to hear nathanos and ashvane again :v

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question is

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if siege is rly gonna be present, how will they make it available for cross-faction groups

warm topaz
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no siege then lets go

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if they want Siege they will find a way thats for sure

junior bolt
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are the na servers up? i want questline spoilers xD

tepid fiber
junior bolt
tepid fiber
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ssshhhh we're talking about Warcraft dracthyr_lulmao

junior bolt
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make love, not warcraft happy

harsh mason
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Since we didn't see this during the ptr, I think that many of the 10.2 models will also be encrypted.

mossy meteor
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neat

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besties

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now for the real meat of the story

warm topaz
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||i really don't like that Vyranoth is with us now||

harsh mason
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How he doesn't care about anything. I adore him

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mossy meteor
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meh

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either the tyr questline is timegated

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or thats it until 10.2

pulsar minnow
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Most definitely timegated

warm topaz
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or is the same as Tyr?

mossy meteor
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yes

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you have to do the chromie / eternus / nozdormu questline

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before the tyr one

warm topaz
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oh okay

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did you do the forsaken/nelf questlines? @mossy meteor

mossy meteor
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no i dont have a forsaken/nelf

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dont care either

warm topaz
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fair

warm topaz
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man i should not read forums of wow

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everything i read is shit

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people is playing a game that they clearly don't like

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and when someone like something

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someone says: "you can't liike this bc i think is trash"

upper pasture
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everyone is entitled to their own opinion but when they think their opinion is the only way thats when it feels bad.

pulsar minnow
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I used to be active on the forums but tbh it’s always going to be a cesspool of hate, so I kinda stopped visiting

little hound
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I can't WAIT to finish 12/12 Trading Post months.

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crystal pond
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Bruh the way vyranoth allied with us is just zzzzz

little hound
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Assisting us to stop an evil that can destroy the world is most likely just a "Temporary alliance". I don't see her dropping her entire goals and ideals permanently to stop Fyrakk

crystal pond
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Well at least now its explain how alexstrasza will betray tyr

little hound
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Also doubt

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He's JUST been a Dung boss

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And Tyr has always been understanding of the Dragons.

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unlike Odyn who bitched out and took his entire fort with him

crystal pond
tepid fiber
crystal pond
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If not corrupted

deep pawn
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that's it, "stand with us" ends the main plot for this patch? 😄

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The Keeper is an obvious raid boss

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Gotta love another "ENOUGH" moment

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so the main story in 5 minutes at that

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the dracthyr stuff has poorly designed elements that make it near impossible to do

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it's just not enough

short prism
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o nvm

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i see what you mean lol

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i thought you were saying 10.2 models were in 10.1.7

short prism
# crystal pond Bruh the way vyranoth allied with us is just zzzzz

iridikron and fyrakk both clearly don’t share her goals, where she wants to see a world free of forced influence (that was forced into her eggs). She very clearly wants to right a wrong, and that doesn’t mean she would follow along with a guy who wants everything and everyone to burn and another guy who only cares about killing the titans, and not what the void is doing to his brother/possibly him

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we haven’t gotten our hands on Vyranoth and Alex’s full relationship either. It’s clear she’s not an enthusiastic ally though, Alex had to convince her to help defend against Fyrakk and she still holds her accountable for her wrongs (The “Yes. You did.” is what that is)

short prism
dense plover
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when did they add challenge and reverse challenge? are these new to 10.1.7?

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warm topaz
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yess

deep pawn
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it's the same races with no green clouds

dense plover
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oof

deep pawn
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Gotta stretch out the same content more! 😛

silent urchin
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They're only active in waking shores atm (or should be), it's one zone unlocking a week

dense plover
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its alexstrasza admitting her mistakes that gets vyranoth to join us

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and its definitely not permanent

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her ultimate goal is still to prove the titans arent the good guys

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and even alexstrasza feels that way at least a bit

tepid fiber
dense plover
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since she admits that she failed them

tepid fiber
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Thank you Peach

dense plover
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the fact that she said "our people" and not "my people"

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its fantastic

upper pasture
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for all dragonkind

dense plover
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wouldve been shit if they hadnt been building up to this for like 3 patches

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feeding us this story and building to it

tepid fiber
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It really is. Really, Alex has been doing so much eye opening in the last few patches seeing things from different perspectives and as a whole

dense plover
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^^^

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the dragons know they have made mistakes

tepid fiber
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I mean I guess I can understand the hot take if you don't quest or listen to dialogue or read

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But it's kind of been right there in front of us from the getgo that the dragons (especially the Aspects) were not perfect, are not perfect, and are coming to terms this

upper pasture
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and youd be stupid if you couldnt see Vyranoth leaving her brothers because of what they are willing to do to win

dense plover
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lol my character is a lich in this cutscene b/c i used the trinket

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this is fucking hilarious

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upper pasture
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is that not bugged now? i went to do the heritage stuff because it was bugged and not progressing eariler

dense plover
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seems to be working?

upper pasture
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good, glad to hear it lol

dense plover
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the quest has a musical queue on turn in

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its very beautiful music

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very short questline

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really nice to see a new race/class get a solid story in this expac

deep pawn
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It wasn't working in my phase

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everyone was just killing the mobs to ofast

dense plover
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this is such a good feature

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the boss timer

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and now i hate it - how is this mob faction locked?

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little hound
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Oof

tepid fiber
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I think it's when it's "target capped"

deep pawn
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sure we've had almost a year of speculation filling in the gaps, but still

crystal pond
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Of course she would join us it was supposed to happen but lol didn't expect it will happen like that

dense plover
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"our course is set" or whatever she said made it pretty clear

deep pawn
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It was obvious, still doesn't feel earned.

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Not a surprise with as late as 10.2 is but still more evidence

tepid fiber
# deep pawn It was obvious, still doesn't feel earned.

Considering the entire reason why she sided with the other Incarnates? I feel like it's a totally valid sentiment. Vyranoth is an idealist and Fryboy is going directly against those ideals. When an idealist believes in the rightness in their cause then it's the greater subjective good that matters more than allegiance lines

deep pawn
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I'd have liked to spend more time with her to see her doubt first before swapping. She swapped in minutes of story we saw.

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It just isn't deep enough to be satisfying

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It's just okay

pulsar minnow
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eh, i mean it's been built up to since 10.1.5

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we've had like 4 cinematics about it

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Alexstrasza and Vyranoth meeting, Fyrakk going overboard, Fyrakk continuing to go overboard, and then Vyranoth going to Alexstrasza

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She's not giving up her goal at all. And it seems like Alexstrasza's mind is changing

deep pawn
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there's build up, but it's the bare minimum

dense plover
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i really like that lordaeron is sorta being rebuilt at the start of the forsaken quest - like its not the undercity thats the focus - its the surface

dense plover
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this is great - the undead just marching THROUGH the lake

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this is a really great questline

ember blaze
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are they finally gonna make undercity walkable

short prism
dense plover
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just lordaeron

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when did they finally implement this?

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glass flicker
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Start of DF.

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Or end of SL. Either or.

upper pasture
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something like that i think it was 10.0 or 10.0.5 maybe?

glass flicker
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Nuh, it was in SL, IIRC.

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I distinctly remember mogging some Torghast shoulders with TBC dungeon shoulders on my DK for an Arthas cosplay.

ember blaze
dense plover
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not the undercity specifically

ember blaze
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me confused

dense plover
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its not about it being dirty though

ember blaze
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arent they the same thing

dense plover
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it just seems like the wrong thing to do

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undercity is under the city of lordaeron

upper pasture
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we cleaned up the blight that Sylvanus used at the start of the 4th war but im glad to see we might be rebuilding lordaeron and not just reopening the UC

ember blaze
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rip undercity

short prism
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i hope we use a combination of lordaeron and under city when it’s rebuilt

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it would be really sad to see that shuddered lol

sleek solar
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I hope the forsaken will shed their dark blighty stuff and make it a normal city, not a undercity 2.0

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Just combine old Lordaeron structure with a personal touch of “we are our own proud people”

silent urchin
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Challenge races are extra hard right now cause of the amount of zone lag lmao

short prism
sleek solar
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Yeah I think so too haha, but a man can hope xD

short prism
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I hope we get a very cool lordaeronian - blight fusion for the city. I love the old horror aesthetics of the undercity and would hate to lose that in modern wow :”3

austere gazelle
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Undercity will just become the new " sewer part " of a much larger city tbh, as it was meant to be from the start

silent urchin
#

silver challenge race achievements are bugged :(

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bronze and gold are fine though, lmao

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silver doesn't have its own reward so I guess it doesn't really matter

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I got my Isles Ace title

pulsar minnow
#

Well there it is

vernal juniper
silent urchin
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"new zone, new raid, and a new legendary"

deep pawn
#

NEW LEGENDARY

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Has to be druids

dense plover
#

fucking finally

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the background looks like a new zone

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i wonder if we are going INTO the dream?

rain cave
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druids of the flame rippin their way in

dense plover
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or if land will be pulled from the dream into that area next to ohnarra

rain cave
#

that could also be true

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maybe that's what the druids intend

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not to enter the dream since that's defended

pulsar minnow
rain cave
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they just need the world tree

pulsar minnow
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For the dragon isles

dense plover
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so - 10am PDT tomorrow?

dense plover
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oh it is

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its the right side

pulsar minnow
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Ye

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I’m really pumped on how we’re gonna get to the zone or what it’s terrain is gonna be like

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It’s the dream, they can kinda do anything with it

dense plover
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i assume it has to connect somehow

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b/c dragonriding

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no way it will have a loadscreen

pulsar minnow
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I’m guessing we fly through like a dream portal and it acts similar to the Zaralek transition

dense plover
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or

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itll just be the dream PULLED into our world

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and itll be in that weird empty space next to ohnarra

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guess we will see at 10am tomorrow?

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

pulsar minnow
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Oh it’s def gonna occupy that area

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Maybe they’ll put the world tree there and have a portal on the outside that just… take you there?

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Gosh I’m just hyped to see what they end up doing, dragonflight zone design is so awesome

crystal pond
deep pawn
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my first portal I didn't even see the boss die

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so... great content?

ember blaze
pulsar minnow
#

praying for waycrest manor this season

ember blaze
#

Atal Dazar

deep pawn
#

6 legacy dungeons feels so bad to me

ember blaze
#

They might bring back season 1

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But I was expecting at least a new dungeon

deep pawn
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I wanted 2, especially if this is the last patch

ember blaze
#

Last patch AintNoWay

pulsar minnow
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I mean we find out in less than 24 hours whether or not we’ll get 10.3

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Back in BFA they announced visions of nzoth in October and released it in January

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They could manage to squeeze in 10.3, just maybe

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That or I can see them continue the story of dragonflight into the next expansion

rustic cliff
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It definitely doesn’t feel like an end of expansion patch, thematically at least. We still have iridikron to contend with too

tepid fiber
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There are a few people who have been framing every patch as a final patch since launch, don't worry about it dracthyr_lulmao

pulsar minnow
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Like theres nothing saying blizz can’t drop 11.0 in January

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Or early December even

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Their approach to DF has always been less content in each patch, but more spread out through minor patches

deep pawn
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I'm going off the assumption come hell or high water 11.0 will be live for the 20th anniversary and 10th expansion.

pulsar minnow
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I don’t think theyd rush content for “symbolism”

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Like if it comes two months after the 20th anniversary, the game is still turning 20 and having its 10th expansion

deep pawn
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Yeah, I don't see that happening. I'm thinking they'll do an October or November expansion launch similar to DF. They could theoretically squeeze a 10.3 in April but they never have been able to pull off a last patch and an expac that close together before

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My optimistic scenario at this point is an August expansion. My pessimistic one is 6 months of season 3 followed by 4-5 months of fated.

pulsar minnow
#

Can season 3 not essentially be fated?

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Fated was literally just filler for as long as it needed to be

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And DF itself has basically been sort of like a fated season the entire time with the half and half m+ pool

tepid fiber
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The expansion hasn't even been out for a year fellas

short prism
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that’s what i’m saying!!!

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it hasn’t been out for a year yet and we’re already getting our announcement for 10.2

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do you really genuinely think we’re gonna go a whole year without a major content patch? why would we get an august expansion too? That throws off their whole “2 years per expac” thing they’ve been trying to stay on

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If we get 10.2 around November, even if we had a six month season, there’s still a perfect slot for a 10.3

warm topaz
#

who you think will be on wowcast tomorrow?

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damn imagine Ion and Metzen copium

tepid fiber
#

But yeah

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It hasn't even been a full year

short prism
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unless we get something huge in 10.2 like druids for all races lol

harsh mason
#

I would like them to make a new BG, don't care about the dungeons, it’s already enough

deep pawn
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The problem is they have NEVER had a alpha/beta within weeks of a last patch coming out. That's why people are thinking there isn't time.

tepid fiber
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The teams are also under different working conditions too, tbf

deep pawn
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unless you think they can somehow shove out 10.3 before the end of February

deep pawn
# tepid fiber The teams are also under different working conditions too, tbf

The February 9.2 to to October 10.0 is the fastest turnaround they've ever done. If you go off the assumption there will be an expansion before the end of next year, not just prepatch, that'd make March the ABSOLUTE latest for a 10.3 and that'd make a 5 month season 3 which sure matches season 1, but season 2 is gonna be 6

tepid fiber
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If we're assuming, of course, but you know the saying:

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I honestly feel we're in a "see what happens going forward" phase VS "looking at what's happened in the past"

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These are different teams, and a functionally different Blizzard

deep pawn
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Doesn't feel like it

upper pasture
#

yeah you're right DF isn't a different blizzard candace we've seen before

deep pawn
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it's legion but slower

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or rather Legion with 3 less months of time available before next expac

upper pasture
#

you dont know that you assume that

tepid fiber
deep pawn
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What's more likely, an expansion in the second half of an even year which has been the case since WRATH and they aren't that much faster on expac development, or they break a 17 year pattern and let the next expac come out in 2025.

tepid fiber
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That they continue to release new expansions every other year around the same time of year like they have been

upper pasture
#

if i had to guess were gonna get a short season 4 to be cut short by a new expansion but its gonna be around the 2 year mark like always

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this new model of giving us smaller patches to keep us doing stuff ingame and engaged has seemed to be working nicely AND its likely anyone who is working on the next expansion has nothing to do with the day to day development of DF patches at this point.

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you're acting like they have one development team and they can only work on one thing at a time. do you remember that company blizzard bought out and absorbed?

tepid fiber
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I can understand that it's difficult to get over assumption patterns, confirmation bias, and constant skepticism but at some point it's important to take an objective look on the current state of things moving forward than prejudices established by past behavior

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(This is even a theme touched on in the expansion khadgarface)

upper pasture
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the only pattern i want to get over is that fact that sark has yet to drop cracked gem and they say it increases each time you kill him on heroic lol

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but one can hope lol

deep pawn
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I'll be pleasantly surprised but I'll take the 19 years of experience of watching Blizzard development and not hoping for more than they have done in the past.

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I gave up on 10.3 the moment 10.2 slipped to post Blizzcon

tepid fiber
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You need to get over the doomer skepticism and pessimism at some point. It isn't healthy in a long-term relationship fandom

deep pawn
#

Is it doomerism? Legion went from release to 7.3 in a year, they admitted that was a bit fast but holy cow that was 4.5 raids, a mega dungeon, and 2 regular dungeons before the 11 month gap between 7.3 to 8.0. I'll be absolutely SHOCKED if they somehow can have a last patch and an expac 6 months apart while also having a good alpha/beta test cycle with a good amount of polishing to the raid and release dungeons. They just have never been able to pull it off before and even right now everything we hear is how overworked the devs are and people are quitting in droves because of return to office. I feel it's being realistic that we might just have to assume the devs have come to the conclusion they can't pump out 4 raids and new dungeons every expac and that Legion/BfA were a fluke.

upper pasture
deep pawn
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If we hear the words "The final chapter of Dragonflight" at all tomorrow what then, lol.

tepid fiber
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"If"

upper pasture
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then so be it. as long as i have content all through the two years who cares if theres a 10.3 or not

deep pawn
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I care cause dreamsurges, time rifts, researchers under fire, don't make up for a lack of a raid or more new dungeons.

upper pasture
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to you

tepid fiber
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We don't know what they're going to say because they haven't said anything, you're just assuming what they're going to say and already building yourself up for something negative

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It's literally doomerism khadgarface

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We've had two raids, a megadungeon, all of the Dragonflight dungeons, and a rotation of older dungeons on top of new activities and content in less than a year

rustic cliff
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Also, 10.2 won’t be the last chapter even if it’s the last raid tier anyways, given how they’ve been giving us lots of story in the .5 and .7 patches too

tepid fiber
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Eight months, even

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Only eight months

short prism
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i think long term blizz fans just cant work themselves up to hope after 18 years of the old devs, but like, the devs got cleared the fuck out during the lawsuit, and they brought on so much fresh-blood— it’s insane. This is quite literally not the same blizzard anymore

tepid fiber
short prism
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After the Microsoft acquisition goes through fully, Bobby Kotick isn’t even going to be the CEO anymore as far as I understand

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We are very much in a “wait and see” era for wow and blizz as a whole, and so far with DF, we’ve been seeing a whole lot of consistency and content

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enough that it’s weird to me to think they’d repeat a content drought, or they’d break the pattern that guy mentioned and release the next expac like half a year early

short prism
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idk

tepid fiber
short prism
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there’s the whole “RP” aspect of the rpg mmo we all play, and content varies far and wide and we should appeal to those folks who want to do stuff in the open world, who want little things and fun quests and non-combat oriented content

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the state of the game shouldn’t be determined by raid tiers

tepid fiber
upper pasture
deep pawn
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They need both, IF the world content was relevant to end game gearing I'd probably enjoy it more. Nothing greater than having it only be worthwhile for transmog.

short prism
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like that guy advocating for removing leveling the other day, it’s like, you’re missing the forest for the trees man. the game should have content that isn’t just end game raiding and dungeons

short prism
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the open world content is how i gear my characters for current content

deep pawn
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I like transmog and mounts(except the fact they need to let us use more mounts on the isles already)

tepid fiber
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Are you not playing the same game??

short prism
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Without time rifts especially, I wouldn’t have my tier set haha

deep pawn
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Do you know how crummy it felt knowing the reasearchers underfire event gear wasn't useable to catalyze? That was stupid as hell

short prism
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415 gear is nothing to spit at, that’s a normal raid tier level of gear

tepid fiber
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One thing

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One thing

tepid fiber
short prism
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And the researchers under fire thing is moreso for transmog and cosmetic rewards anyways right? I never got the vibe that they were a “gearing” type of content

tepid fiber
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Same

deep pawn
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You get one piece of 415 a week from dreamsurges, Time Rifts was all lfr gear.

short prism
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again, content shouldn’t be determined by a tasty little gear piece at the end either. You should be having fun playing the game and enjoying the world and doing things with characters and exploring yk

short prism
tepid fiber
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You can even get tokens to guarantee more gear rewards wdym

upper pasture
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i mean you can also get 402 upgradable gear too

short prism
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lemme go double check but i’m pretty sure gear from time rifts is normal raid tier

upper pasture
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for a fresh 70 thats crazy

short prism
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and you can upgrade it to like 428

tepid fiber
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432?

upper pasture
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AND the currency is easy AF to farm

short prism
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i max out regularly

deep pawn
tepid fiber
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Just because you're not applying yourself and taking full advantage of the system, Kyle, doesn't mean that the system itself is bad

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Besides, rewards aside, it's also fun

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It's not always about the carrot on the end of the stick

deep pawn
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I found time rifts painfully boring and repetitive. If not for the absolute bucketload of mounts, mogs, and pets attached I'd have skipped it.

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I still can't bring myself to finish the soridormi rep grind lol

short prism
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so you’re just wrong

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the upgradable gear goes all the way up to heroic raiding content i levels

deep pawn
tepid fiber
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Kyle... maybe you just don't like WoW anymore?

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And that's fine too, there's nothing wrong with that

deep pawn
short prism
tepid fiber
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I don't even grind the time rifts, I just play them because they're fun

deep pawn
tepid fiber
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I don't play any content I don't find fun, but I don't bash it either

deep pawn
tepid fiber
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That's always a problem on release until it gets patched

short prism
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Regardless, 424 is still a decent piece of gear for doing some neat little open world shenanigans and fighting an AU version of a raid boss

tepid fiber
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But yes, jaded would be the correct word to use

short prism
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I hope you feel less jaded over time obviously

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but jesus sometimes coming in here and talking about anything wow gets you met with the most hopeless takes and points of view you can imagine

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actually not even in here, in most wow places

tepid fiber
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You're basically just manifesting that attitude the more you dig into it

deep pawn
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Cause I know they can do better and more interesting things and they have before

tepid fiber
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Like, I'm not trying to go onto the attack or anything either--you clearly enjoy the game but it's obvious you're letting past prejudices spoil the fun and any chance of objective optimism

upper pasture
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to you this is boring but to someone else its mindblowing

short prism
tepid fiber
short prism
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that’s why i’m such a die hard for them LOL

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i love running around and doing the silly tasks and seeing the AU people and fighting the big boss with a bunch of randos

deep pawn
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I personally miss being able to upgrade a class order hall or a covenant sanctum

short prism
deep pawn
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I had more fun in my garrison than any world content DF has had to offer.

short prism
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Like, way more, and even when they do more, it just keeps growing and growing

tepid fiber
short prism
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but ur valid!!

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the garrison is a cool feature to come back to

deep pawn
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I've always said if WoD had m+ it'd be seen as a much better expac just lacking a raid.

short prism
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WoD has a great intro too imo, I love the frostwolf quests

tepid fiber
deep pawn
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I've done those already though and they didn't add anything new with the same depth in my opinion

short prism
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we could’ve easily never known it was even a thing at all

ember blaze
deep pawn
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just the various halls, the transmog sets, the story, etc

ember blaze
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I only saw one EZ

ember blaze
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Covenant stuff was annoying

deep pawn
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It gave me a reason to care about more characters beyond repeating the same dungeon and raid

ember blaze
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Massive amounts of anima required and the tedious collection of souls

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Then the mini game was shit. At least night fae one rolling an rng loot box oh boy.

deep pawn
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there's downsides, but I still liked working of stuff. Maldraxxus and the Necrolords was fun, I loved the abom factory

ember blaze
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I feel like the concept is there. Just a different way of doing it

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Not some locked covenant for the time stuff

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You just do it if you want to on any character

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And get cosmetics

deep pawn
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I guess I just like a reason to have more than one char to get stuff vs this do it on one, and just buy stuff on alts.

pulsar minnow
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I've been really enjoying DF mainly because of the bar of entry for casual players to get into high end content being lowered, or at least reworked

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The crest system could use some work, but I feel like I've been able to progress this expansion rather than fighting with a damn loot pinata

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Also crafting has been great, dragonriding, the evoker class (I rerolled for Dev and Aug was a pleasant surprise)

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maybe im just biased but I've enjoyed actually getting into M+ this expac. I never could before

tepid fiber
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It's even better when you don't have to pug

pulsar minnow
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Went from basically just clearing normal and finishing the story/rep to now pushing +20 and wearing 445 gear

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(also I don't currently have a guild so I've done all this solo, mine disbanded in SL)

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So again, probably biased just because this expansion is the first one I've actually been able to sink my teeth in REAL content, but I still think it can be argued DF has done a lot of good for the game

short prism
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it’s honestly been really nice, pairing it with crafting orders has been nice

pulsar minnow
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The only complaint I'd say is that this season has lasted a LONG time and Abberus was maybe a tad too easy. Got my legendary, got the Sark mount, got KSM and KSH and have nothing to do, and world events are kinda useless for my main. I've been pretty bored these past few weeks, and I know it's probably worse for other people who pushed this tier way earlier. But hell I still ENJOYED gearing

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This expansion could definitely benefit from like a Mage Tower or something

upper pasture
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i need my leggo and ive been slacking on trying to run alts through lfr sark for mount but yeah

tepid fiber
upper pasture
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gearing is easy for alts and my guildes are constantly trying to drag me to high keys

pulsar minnow
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Oh I did forget one other complaint

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M+ meta rn

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haven't really done M+ in like two weeks, but the Guardian, Aug, Mage, Shadow, and Holy Pal meta was soooo annoying

upper pasture
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meh, there will always be a meta and the M+ slaves WILL always find it

pulsar minnow
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I wanna play dev damnit sad

tepid fiber
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Then play dev

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Idk who said it but all race, class, and spec combinations are viable for all forms of content and the best one is going to be the one you're better at playing and enjoy the most

short prism
pulsar minnow
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Torghast was nice solo content

tepid fiber
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I loved Torghast 😩

pulsar minnow
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It needed proper rewards but it wasn’t bad at all

short prism
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i had a lot of fun in it, i was hoping we’d see it like

tepid fiber
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It was fun to just goof around with my friends and to try absurd different playstyles

short prism
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carry on in some form

short prism
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me and my boyfriend ran them a lot and the boss rush mode was so much fun lol

pulsar minnow
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I hope they bring it back. I could see some sort of void labyrinth that changes format every day with different mob packs and whatnot

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Final boss gives you crests

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Maybe cosmetics

deep pawn
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I did enjoy collecting the Torghast shoulders, backs, and mounts

rain cave
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where like every crit does a mini explosion of extra damage

ember blaze
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The new floor they added was neat but it kinda sucked getting rushed by a lot of elites that I couldn’t even pick my power

tepid fiber
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I guess that's where my mindset differs a lot--I don't have to do anything because it's just a videogame. If it's something I want to do then I do it and if it's something I don't want to do then I don't

ember blaze
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I mythic raid so old stuff like that became chores

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But now I’m having a good time with optional side content

pulsar minnow
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Really unpopular opinion as a SL warrior main: covenant abilities were AWESOME (except for gating them behind covenants)

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Torghast was so much fun as a night fae fury warrior

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Ancient Aftershock felt SOOOO good to press

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I miss those abilities a lot tbh

pulsar minnow
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They shouldn’t have made it required for endgame

tepid fiber
pulsar minnow
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For me I just really loved all the covenants and liked jumping between builds in Torghast.

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One week I’d go venthyr arms and build for a permanent stun lock execute

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Another id go for ancient aftershock procs and permanent soul shape

deep pawn
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I know there was a set meta, but I liked how strong covenant abilities were

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I got away with playing off meta on alts at least

ember blaze
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Worried about balance

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How about you worry about fun first

short prism
deep pawn
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A lot are still there but yeah, not the same.