WoD was almost 10 years ago
#beta-ptr-spoilers
sleek solar
I hope the horde gets a cool cosmic species aswell, with Ally having both lightforged and void
sleek solar
Same. in a Cosmic expansion
ionic terrace
new build
short prism
thank god they didn’t call it that lol
mongrel is a slur for mixed race people irl too (i have been called it unironically)
dense plover
Did they fix the dream skybox not staying?
silent urchin
it stayed for maybe ten seconds this time!
mysterious broken vendor item no longer broken
plus a couple new.. consumables?
seem kinda like they should be toys
mount doesn't show up in journal though :(
harsh mason
mysterious broken vendor item no longer broken
Finally this bird
pulsar minnow
yall think they're ever going to implement the last two dracthyr shoulder options?
the ones seen on the red and green dracthyr
they've been weirdly missing and I dont think they're in the game files either
pulsar minnow
nah they're dragonflight pieces
the armor on the far left was specifically designed with the shoulders in mind for dracthyr
its in the dragonflight art book
pulsar minnow
couldve just been concept art?
I mean, it was modeled so it’s not concept
dense plover
idk then
harsh mason
It's just the armor of the NPC
harsh mason
Damn, I didn't expect Nozdormu to be such a bodybuilder😳
rain cave
it is weird seeing humanlooking muscle groups on dragons I'll admit
but it actually makes sense for our dragons I suppose
since if they were infused with order magic only makes sense they'd get the chiseled muscles that every titan keeper seems to have
titans saw the proto drakes and went "damn they skipped arm day lets fix that"
harsh mason
Well, in fact, these are more classic dragons, which, for example, are poked in the universe by DnD. There, too, they had incredible intelligence and were able to transform into humanoids
rain cave
that is unrelated xd
tepid fiber
D&D dragons also have a lot of feline musculature
plain violet
Dnd dragons are sooo pretty...
rain cave
D&D dragons also have a lot of feline musculature
huh
tepid fiber
Yup, part of the physiology section in the Draconomicon rulebook. Explaining the positioning of their musculature and how their limbs were angled as opposed to reptiles, otherwise their limbs would be wide-angled
Nerd shit lol
rain cave
what#s feline though
pulsar minnow
Damn, I didn't expect Nozdormu to be such a bodybuilder😳
I mean, it’s Warcraft. Who isn’t a body builder
tepid fiber
what#s feline though
Like a cat
pulsar minnow
Like just the way the muscles look and their proportions is what gumball means
Like when drawing dragons lots of artists tend to borrow more so from the musculature and form of cats over lizards
I even did this myself
Im an amateur “artist.” I draw from time to time, not as much as I used to but I’ve been working on a Wrathion “concept” and I literally looked up lion muscles rather than lizard
I think it’s mainly cuz of the high shoulder blades cats have, that artists can easily just slap wings on the top
It just looks cooler (I suck at shading but I think these muscles explain it)
tepid fiber
Same thing goes for the eyes
You'll more often than not see artists using vertical cateye slits
tepid fiber
From the Draconomicon:
So even in D&D official text
Heck, even a lot of the way dragons act is hella catlike 
pulsar minnow
Dragons are just cool, a manmade animal that’s just been changed over and over throughout the years by tons of different cultures
WoW just makes them even better by giving dragons an entire culture
rain cave
I mean I'd argue that in terms of actually being dragons, GW2's tackling of them at least earlier on was great
great forces of nature
kralkatorrik the crystal dragon remains one of the coolest things I know in fiction, and the Zhaitan fight was peak
even mordremoth was cool, and I wouldn't be surprised if they used him as inspiration for some of the old god stuff since they were quite analagous to eachother
tepid fiber
That was much later than the Old Gods being a thing in WoW, and WoW's Old Gods are clearly inspired by the Cthulhu mythos
rain cave
That was *much later* than the Old Gods being a thing in WoW, and WoW's Old Gods...
not really
heart of thorns was in 2015, BFA was later, 8.3 was 2019
rain cave
hence why I said the could have used him for some of the inspiration for old god stuff
mordremoth has quite a lot of parallels to how they ended up using n'zoth
yes those traits of his were expected
but still
not saying they copied but they most definetly have looked at their competitors for ideas
every company does it
another example more mechanically speaking, would be the M+ vs Fractals thing
idk which came first but they are analagous systems
pulsar minnow
So with the introduction of Ebyssian’s new visage model, is is likely we’re gonna see the power of the aspects return in 10.1.7?
There is the reforging Tyr questline, I’m just really curious if Elune will have any part to play
It’s never been fully explained why elune can just give the dragon aspects powers like she did for Kalec
harsh mason
So with the introduction of Ebyssian’s new visage model, is is likely we’re gonn...
It is unlikely that he will take a new visage form. Still, for dragons, their visage form is very personal, something that characterizes them. And in my opinion they changed it very very rarely (I only remember Kirigosa)
harsh mason
It’s never been fully explained why elune can just give the dragon aspects power...
I think that anyone very powerful can give such power
Well, yes, I personally do not know how they will regain their strength. Now they are aspects simply by status, but it seems like expansion began with the fact that they were looking for a way to regain their "gods" powers. And in fact they really were something like gods
rain cave
It is unlikely that he will take a new visage form. Still, for dragons, their vi...
he already has one
a new one
harsh mason
he already has one
I think it's about when they will regain their strength, and not about the status, as it is now.
rain cave
that's not what you were talking about 💀
harsh mason
Lol, I thought he was literally talking about a new visage form (like, not a tauren, but a troll)
Well, yes, so he will have a new model
tepid fiber
I'm just glad it's not another elf
pulsar minnow
As much as I like Wrathion, I’m pretty happy he’s gonna be let loose to do his own stuff for a while. I can totally see him coming with us to the other side of Azeroth in a future expansion
Ebyssian really just works when put next to the other aspects
His new visage is so sick
Lava horns and all
And I know it’s probably not super intentional but I really love how he’s wearing a more elaborate version of the mail Zaralek set, because he is kind of a shaman after all
harsh mason
Wrathion is more likely to play the role of master spy or scout for the black flight
That's pretty much what his "gang" was doing.
And Sabellian is an army commander
crystal pond
The only thing that concerns me is that devs will forget about wrathion as a character and he will be like a place holder or such
Because he has a really big development as earth-warder and he proved that he earned this title
He actually was doing a lot of stuff
And then it was replaced by Ebyssian
Like hmmmmmm
Especially HOW he was replaced
wrathion can resist void by a will / Ebyssian needed a potion
dragonflight happening
Ebyssian absolutely dont give a f about whispers while his brothers getting spammed by them
Still big L with that dracthyr interacting with Ebyssian and not Wrathion
rain cave
I mean
wrathion's antics not being constrained to just dragon stuff is where he's always been
he's still too young to be a leader, and you can't put someone that's done what he has in power. He's already escaped consequences for shit he's done before
letting him off of the dragon aspect leash just means he can go do other random shit
(like spearheading an archeology revamp by focusing on old titan facilities/artifacts, as well as studying other potential lost treaures we could use)
or going and looking for anduin
crystal pond
Its not about reasonable choice
Its how he was developed to the role and then swapped by a character that have almost no development at all
rain cave
ebyssian has had development
crystal pond
If they gived Ebyssian more story before dragonflight then it will be okay
But like
tepid fiber
Legion and BFA
crystal pond
as a guy who cant resist corruption lol
rain cave
and even in DF he's moved forward quite a lot whereas wrathion was just whinge-bag until he realized he actually didn't want to play with his dads toys
tepid fiber
Tbf, Wrathion was introduced offhandedly in Cata and then fully in Mists, but even then he's still young and flailing while when we meet Ebyssian he's kinda been managing leaders for thousands of years
crystal pond
Yeah wonder why he was moving forward by devs and wrathion was acting like BFA never happened
sleek solar
Imo making Ebyssian aspect was the perfect choice
tepid fiber
>as a guy who cant resist corruption lol
If you want to overgeneralize inaccurately, of course
rain cave
ebyssian despite being self deprecating saying he never helped when he should have before
helped in legion
and Bfa
wrathion caused legion inadvertantely
and wod
and just
watched
crystal pond
Im okay that Ebyssian is an aspect but HOW he becamed an aspect is 💀
tepid fiber
Imo making Ebyssian aspect was the perfect choice
This, aside from Wrathion in an "aspect-lite" position with Sabellian serving as his majordomo
rain cave
he did come help punch n'zoth but that shit was personal
tepid fiber
Fact of the matter is, Ebyssian has thousands of years more leadership and guiding experience than Wrathion
crystal pond
watched
Wod was cuted badly
In legion wrathion was REPLACED by Ebyssian
He was there on beta lol
tepid fiber
Irrelevant to what actually happens as canon
upper pasture
beta's are just that subject to change since it's still in development
rain cave
the most a beta can give you is a vague indication of intentions
crystal pond
On beta files wrathion had new sick model
Now its gone
pulsar minnow
I absolutely love Wrathion’s datamined alpha model
I still think it’s strange as to why it wasn’t implemented, but I think I have an idea as to why
Firstly, and most notably is that it’s Wrathion’s model updated to the new Drake skeleton and features
But… I think the issue is that the cinematic team probably already had cinematics in development prior
Utilizing his old BFA model since it still holds up okay
And rather than redo all the cinematics to match, they just decided to keep using Wrathion’s old model
I have no evidence for this but I think it’s the most likely scenario
rain cave
aren't the cinematic models seperate anyhow
well no I know they are since they have extra geometry, increased resolution
what are the major design changes between his old and new
also this hasn't stopped them randomly updating models before
looks at shadowlands thrall
tepid fiber
rain cave
sylvanas's early models are so funny
especially since there were actually high elf models in game they could have just retextured with grey skin back in vanilla
but they just went "nah just make her a nelf in a dress"
honestly could have been cool to see if her TBC design had stuck and been explored further though
ik it's to keep people recognizable, but I do think a lot of wow characters would benefit from a wardrobe change from time to time
even thrall's new model is just an uprez of his old style of armor, his cata/wod style was atleast different
hoping anduin re-asseses his fashion style now he's going through an emo phase
also hoping to see illidan looking completely different when we next see him
tepid fiber
Characters wearing different clothing? You can't expect gamers to recognize them if they change outfits too often
rain cave
it doesn't even have to be drastically different lmao just strikingly so
even if we're not going full on different aesthetic, I actually really like sylvanas's design at the end of shadowlands
deep pawn
Wasn't it between TBC and Wrath she was able to get her original body back?
rain cave
would be very cool to see azshara adopting the void fashion sense with her queen-ness, imagine her decked out with the same kind of armor/jewellry as the void ethereals, with a veil on or somesuch
rain cave
Wasn't it between TBC and Wrath she was able to get her original body back?
she had her original body back in wc3
she got turned into a banshee but then she went and found her body if I remember correctly, or was allowed to posess it
at least it looked the same as her normal body
reading the wiki it says they flung it on a meatwagon
ah no
she did have her body
apparently she went to go find it before her attempt to kill arthas in the woods
tepid fiber
She got her body back in the Frozen Throne expansion of WC3
pulsar minnow
aren't the cinematic models seperate anyhow
Yeah but their character models and cinematic models need to be recognizably the same character
Wrathion’s new model is quite different from his old one
Also as for shadowlands thrall, he wasn’t in a single rendered cinematic after he got the new model
rain cave
they look pretty much the same to me
just the ridge is more pronounced on the brow I guess
pulsar minnow
They new model is very clearly aged up and more refined
Compared to this. It’s a massive upgrade.
But again you really can’t just have Wrathion look like the new model in-game, then just have him use the old model in cinematics. It’s jarring.
But now that 10.1 is over and the next few cinematics are probably focusing on merithra and the aspects, I could see them finally transitioning Wrathion to his new model
sleek solar
I litterally see 0 difference
tepid fiber
silent urchin
New is quite a bit higher res, you can see pretty big differences on the spikes at the lower back bit of his jaw
the pictures don't really show it well
jade basalt
It is uprezzed and has a few more details yeah
But I'm not convinced most people would even be able to tell that it's different if they swapped it today
So I wouldn't call it a "massive upgrade"
It's basically the same model but uprezzed, not an "adult" or "upgraded" version of Wrathion
rain cave
I litterally see 0 difference
look at the brow ridges
sleek solar
Thats it?
harsh mason
They are different
The new model has larger teeth, more details, brighter colors
The lower jaw is larger (he has become more of a chad)
rain cave
Thats it?
no but it's a clear one
the old model is just a higher res model on the old drake base from bfa
the newer unused model is on the highland drake skeleton and has some extra elements on top
sleek solar
Wrathion mount confirmed?
"Champion! Its time to show the black dragonflight belong to me. You may use me as a mount."
pulsar minnow
It's basically the same model but uprezzed, not an "adult" or "upgraded" version...
oh its definitely not an adult - wrathion is still a drake
his new model just shows that hes aged further from BFA and his horns are all growing in and his features are becoming more defined
Hes starting to also kind of resemble Neltharion
Much better than this derpy guy
crystal pond
I hope it wasnt complete deleted and they will update him with new model
In df or in next expac 
pulsar minnow
It wasn’t completely deleted to my knowledge
It’ll probably be implemented in a future patch in DF where Wrathion isn’t as much of a focus in cinematics
Sort of like how they updated Thrall in what? 9.1? 9.1.5? Randomly
uncut vault
Beta is irrelevant
Tell that to the people who still whine about darkshore being a loss for Tyrande 😛
harsh mason
his new model just shows that hes aged further from BFA and his horns are all gr...
I still don't understand why he's a drake. He shouldn't be more than 10 years old, dragons don't seem to grow that fast
Considering he was a whelp in the legion.
Yes, he appeared there for 2 seconds in "death of Chromi", but if they wanted to make him a drake, they would have given him a drake model
And he's already bigger than many older dragons
Lol, he was even in bfa whelp(in 8.2.5)
He clearly lives on steroids
pulsar minnow
I still don't understand why he's a drake. He shouldn't be more than 10 years ol...
He’s like 13-15
He was a whelp in legion but that’s because they don’t really have a model for dragons kinda nearing whelp stage
It’s just child-teen-adult for dragons
tepid fiber
His birth also isn't typical of normal dragons, so keep that in mind. It involved a lot of experimentation, the sacrifice of several corrupted drakes, and red dragon Life magic
So he could very well be a little boosted
rain cave
different dragons grow differently
chromie is older than him at least by several years yet she was still a whelp until recently, same as wrathion
a dragon that was born in legion is not longer a whelp
emmigosa is the name I think (think she was born in legion?)
pulsar minnow
chromie is older than him at least by several years yet she was still a whelp un...
I think there was some lore about bronze dragons aging very differently
rain cave
would make sense
tepid fiber
Considering most of the time they're dealing with, well, time
Nothing about bronze dragons and their linear lines should be used as a comparison lol
short prism
Lol, he was even in bfa whelp(in 8.2.5)
in lore bfa was like 5-7 years ago wasn’t it
no
7-9 years ago*
or am i mistaken
was it shadowlands + 5 year skip or has it been 5 years since shadowlands started
pulsar minnow
5 years since start I think
short prism
so 5-7 years ago was bfa in lore
we already kinda knew wrathion was aging fast right? that was established bc he grew up really fast after being born?
pulsar minnow
Oh yeah, he’s got some freaky experiment aging going on
His mental age is much older than his physical age. That’s why his visage was a fully grown man and his dragon form a whelp for the longest time
rain cave
dragons are also conscious while in their eggs remember
uncut vault
Dragonflight's pretty firmly established that whelps are like, actual children too lol
vs him being the mentality of a teenager in Cata/MoP
rain cave
whelps are kids except when they're not
harsh mason
in lore bfa was like 5-7 years ago wasn’t it
Yes, but he became a drake already in 8.3
That is, after, conditionally, a couple of months
short prism
i mean drake is the next stage its fiiine
do we need a time lapse of egg-> whelp -> drake -> dragon
so we can see all the awkward little weird parts of development
(the answer is: yes, but not for plot reasons >:3 i just love dragons)
harsh mason
whelps are kids except when they're not
I'm not talking about his intelligence(all dragons at 5 flight, due to the intervention of order magic, are incredibly intelligent creatures, but Wrathion, which is essentially an experiment, is even smarter). I'm talking about their growth. He went from whelp to BfA suddenly became drake in half a patch. If they wanted to make him a drake, they would have given him an old drake model at that time (until they made a new one). But no, he was exactly whelp
short prism
you’re taking in game models very literally
deep pawn
hmm, surprised the weekly schedule isn't out yet
harsh mason
It doesn't seem to appear at a fixed time
deep pawn
I know, it's normally out by now
harsh mason
I think that within 1-2 hours they will lay out a schedule
silent urchin
new promotions seem likely to be twitch drops for hardcore
maybe something like the "complete the DK starting area" that wotlk classic had too
warm topaz
i was wondering abt that today
it would be cool to have drops on classic
but i had no idea what could they add
that sounds good
reach lvl 10 or something like that
silent urchin
tbh I hope it includes dying, to really lean into the hardcore thing
warm topaz
but if they were drops for classic, wouldn't it be better to announce them now
deep pawn
one is probably a new twitch prime thing
silent urchin
yeah, the silver pig is going away
I guess it could just be twitch drop AND twitch prime
warm topaz
they will do something like they did with HS and HoS with a mount if you reach "x" goal with Warcraft Rumble
what you think?
silent urchin
unlikely to be rumble yet
it's only softlaunched in limited territories
and I suspect it won't go down that well being a mobile game
harsh mason
If blizzard will be at gamescom, then it is logical that the announcement of a major patch will be there.
And I don't think that in this case it will be part of the weekly schedule
mossy meteor
one of those promotions is september's prime drop
warm topaz
And I don't think that in this case it will be part of the weekly schedule
10.1 wasn't in the weekly thing neither
so we will see
vernal juniper
does Gamescom has dna agreement?
upper pasture
NDA? likely. most places will have it or if you spill the beans you'll likely not have those vendors/publishers trust you with sensitive information again next time and go elsewhere
vernal juniper
👍
silent urchin
I'll be pretty surprised if there is a major announcement at gamescom, there's been no social media activity to suggest people should go watch it
warm topaz
yep my hopes are vanishing as time goes by
vernal juniper
Twitter
subtle oar
I'll be pretty surprised if there is a major announcement at gamescom, there's b...
There was the one WoW community manager, but now I feel like they were trolling
silent urchin
They may have just been talking about it for personal reasons
https://twitter.com/lavendervarya/status/1693540309332815942 maybe they're promoting warcraft rumble
rain cave
but it's diablo 4 stuff
reminds me of wowhead news feed
subtle oar
reminds me of wowhead news feed
LMAO
rain cave
wonder if they'd planned to have it here but their internal pipeline didn't allow for it
rain cave
the d4 crew seemed pretty confused to be there
so I'm thinking they're a lil behind schedule on some stuff
at least in terms of the publicity
silent urchin
I mean.. they were way more with it than zack snyder
no one really seemed sure of how those weird scripted interview segments were going
and the crowd kept cheering random ass things and throwing them off
rain cave
it's funny how jilted everyone was
like we had nervous devs on stage fumbling their scripts requiring geoff to prompt them back on track with a response question
zach snyder appears
a really cringey attempt to bill clinton again that fell flat
crowds cheering at weird times and then being off time again whenever they actually were prompted to cheer
and more
warm topaz
crowds are paids actors sometimes xddd
silent urchin
Realms still up, feeling unlikely we get a build today
harsh mason
Release, most likely
mossy meteor
https://twitter.com/lavendervarya/status/1693540309332815942 maybe they're promo...
that's probably a sponsored thing
the only blizzardo things getting announced are D4 Season 2 and something for OW2
pulsar minnow
To be fair, I don’t even know what they’d announce for Overwatch
Their newest season just came out and they typically don’t tell us what’s coming in the next season until like 2 days before
uncut vault
They announced Invasion two seasons in advance
And they typically announced a new hero at blizzcons before the droughts
Next season is in November so announcing the new tank makes sense
Next hero season, sorry
vernal juniper
no ptr build, sus
deep pawn
eh, it's going live in 2 weeks, next build is likely a release candidate
warm topaz
i don't think is garbage
a lot of encrypted content
heritages armor + tyr continuation + draenei thing
- something about fyrakk
sleek solar
I am most hyped about Draenei stuff
warm topaz
yeah me too, really want to go to Argus
vernal juniper
a lot of encrypted content
I mean, the dreamsurge event, it sucks
without a rep its just bad
90% of the people will afk until the boss spawns when they realize
harsh mason
90% of the people will afk until the boss spawns when they realize
Wow, just like in 99% of events in the open world
vernal juniper
Wow, just like in 99% of events in the open world
no really, atleast on this exp
warm topaz
Wow, just like in 99% of events in the open world
nah
warm topaz
no really, atleast on this exp
yeah
harsh mason
no really, atleast on this exp
So say in every exp
I remember perfectly well how people spat from events in 7.2 or 8.3. Or 8.2.
However, later it turned out that the events were normal. This is a normal reaction of the WoW community, it has not changed in 15+ years
And it's also interesting that the WoW community has a very short memory
Short memory because large patches are always released every 5-6 months. Now 3.5( almost 4) months have passed.
silent urchin
I'm pretty happy with it being smaller and more focused on the zone effects than the big flashy event. It seems like a fairly chill thing to maybe level alts a bit faster, for the most part.
harsh mason
Earlier than October-November 10.2 will not be released simply because it has always been so.
warm topaz
probably October 17
harsh mason
To close this topic once and for all: anyone is able to open wowpedia, go to the patch pool for each exp, and personally compare: what was included in each patch and how much time passed between releases. It's not difficult
And based on how it has worked for 15+ years, understand how it roughly works. And not to build theories for the whole summer (of course, just harmless theories, just for 3 months now)
I also don't remember that blizzard announced at least something on wow at gamescom, except for legion (because there was only a 1 patch with content in draenor for 2 years)
vernal juniper
you wrong, they annonced patches before
6.3
7.3
can't remember if they were pre-announced or not
harsh mason
7.3 appeared on the PTR at the end of June, does not count. 6.3-I do not know what it is. That's why I wrote that there were announcements related to lenion, since for 2 years there was one content patch for a whole exp. They no longer announced something new (exactly new, and not what had already become known)
vernal juniper
wait I wrote wronglu
2016
WoW Icon update World of Warcraft
Return to Karazhan: Patch 7.1.0[9]
Return to Karazhan dungeon
2017
The Path to Argus: Patch 7.3.0
Seat of the Triumvirate dungeon showcase
harsh mason
They could have announced 10.2 yesterday only if the latest content patch came out in spring-summer 2022
vernal juniper
2015
Gamescom 2015 was held on August 5-9.
Summary
WoW Icon update Warcraft
World of Warcraft: Legion announced
2015 7.0
2016 7.1
2017 7.3
harsh mason
The Path to Argus: Patch 7.3.0
Seat of the Triumvirate dungeon showcase
This is not an announcement, this patch has been on PTR for 2 months already!!!!
7.1 was announced BEFORE the release of Legion, as there was no content for more than a year
harsh mason
And I wrote that this was an exception (because they needed to show that they wouldn't have 1 content for 2 years again)
Is the dungeon a separate patch? Once again: at the end of June, 7.3 appeared on the ptr (that is, people already knew what would be in it).
vernal juniper
wow community manager is going to gamescom today, so if anything will be related to wow it will be from today
warm topaz
she is there tomorrow and friday
aswell
i think
but with samsung so i expect something abt warcraft rumblel
vernal juniper
yeah could be
warm topaz
i see a lot of people talking abt a world revamp on 11.0
what do you think?
like they want a world revamp
doesn't mean they think there will be one
cosmic beacon
World revamp would be pretty dope
rain cave
I don't think there will be a world revamp
cosmic beacon
And iirc there’s been datamining from recent patches of new models of old world buildings
rain cave
we just got old world dragonriding races
I wouldn't be surprised if they started revamping old stuff though
like moving the story in certain zones forward
for example the .5 patches so far have all introduced new environment assets/places to go
so I could imagine next xpac using the .5 patches to update older zones with new content
a scarlet mega dungeon with some lordaeron revamps here
a gadgetzan there
warm topaz
a scarlet mega dungeon with some lordaeron revamps here
damn you have created a dream
i would love to see that
warm topaz
And iirc there’s been datamining from recent patches of new models of old world ...
they have been adding buildings since BFA
rain cave
arguably even WoD
since that came with a lot of general horde/alliance architecture upressed
warm topaz
im curious like
this looks like a long term project
the building thing
what are they cooking
rain cave
just helps to have these things on hand I suppose
for when they do get the opportunity to revamp
warm topaz
yeah i was thinking that
i think they should change the night/day cicle
like in terms of ligthning etc
rain cave
the tough thing with world revamp is trying to figure out how they justify it to execs I suppose
but with the current leadsership revamp at blizz I reckon they could just go
"yeah but it makes it better and that means more sale"
warm topaz
yeah
cosmic beacon
Definitely helps with the games longevity
Maybe not even a complete revamp all at once, could easily go through a few zones each .5 and maybe some larger revamps with expansions etc
tepid fiber
I'm pretty sure the major roadblocks to that would be:
- Too much spaghetti
- The genetic memory of the unreasonable backlash they faced after the Cataclysm revamp
- Regardless of what they do, gamers will find something to complain about and sensationalize
warm topaz
I'm pretty sure the major roadblocks to that would be:
- Too much spaghetti
- Th...
the last point. YES
harsh mason
World revamp would be pretty dope
No, because last time they spent an incredibly long time on it, and people hated it and the cataclysm in general.
This is a waste of time that most people will not appreciate
deep pawn
I don't think they'd permanently revamp the old world. It'd be new versions of the zone you can't zoridormi but you'd portal there separately
harsh mason
I don't think they'd permanently revamp the old world. It'd be new versions of t...
In fact, they are already doing it, but behind the scenes. There are a lot of updated models of structures of factions and so on in the files of the mgra game
But yes, most likely it will just be introduced, as it was in the BfA: 1-2 zones for the plot, no more
subtle oar
No, because last time they spent an incredibly long time on it, and people hated...
You seem fun
subtle oar
I'm pretty sure the major roadblocks to that would be:
- Too much spaghetti
- Th...
Yes, but not reasons to not try.
deep pawn
If they revamp it'll be like EQ from now on. You go there and it's just updated versions of the zone for max level play
I'd love to see both continents at once but that's likely too big for an expansion unless they continents themselves are smaller
tepid fiber
You seem fun
He's just pointing out what actually happened. Cataclysm wasn't popular when it happened. Arch also isn't expressing his own opinion about it
uncut vault
Just purely from a technical standpoint, any sort of revamp would need to happen on either an independent phase or a wholly separate map
The game is way more entrenched in the Cata world now than it was in the vanilla world back in Cata
Pretty much every xpac takes you back to the Cata continents now
There’s never really going to be a risk of losing those continents like we did in Cata, because I don’t think Blizzard has an extra 2-3 years to rewrite the code of every xpac into a new map lol
deep pawn
Plus the fact they said they'd never remove content like they did in cata ever again and they wish they had better tech back then
subtle oar
Plus the fact they said they'd never remove content like they did in cata ever a...
Zidormi
deep pawn
I don't think Zidormi would work for a revamp that makes the world Dragonflight like
short prism
I can imagine a cata-scale world update, but not to the level of content removal that cata had since we have systems in place as is that would support still visiting the old world
dense plover
Best way to integrate dragon flying into the old world is to just put those whirlwinds that lift you all over the place
upper pasture
that or make groundskimming work while already at high speeds so you can double dip vigor recharge
silent urchin
I'm not sure what would prevent them just turning it on as is. I know there's a few weird skybox walls, like the descent from mount hyjal to the south, but that's already an issue with existing mounts
upper pasture
but i do feel the old world needs a facelift of sorts since it was never planned to have flying there's alot of dead zones
silent urchin
maybe some worries about how far you can go before fatigue gets you
upper pasture
but that could just be throwing trees here and there and making it feel lush and full rather than barren
silent urchin
Yeah, but that's all been an issue since cata
dense plover
that or make groundskimming work while already at high speeds so you can double ...
Tbf, ground skimming specifically sucks because it’s so slow
If it was the same rate as the other one it would be really good
dense plover
but that could just be throwing trees here and there and making it feel lush and...
If they can figure out how to update old trees with new ones, that would be the easiest answer
Just remodeling the old trees and updating old ground textures would do a lot
For example, they updated the dead thresher assets in BfA and DF, they could replace all the old world ones
They just need to do the same with ground textures and trees and sky boxes
It’s work but it’s a lot less than actually redoing the zones
silent urchin
Also seems like no new build today :(
dense plover
Also seems like no new build today :(
not surprising with gamescom
deep pawn
Not like they'll add anything to this patch anyways. It was always a small one.
I'm just wish I could be excited for yet another catch up world event
I feel like weekly lockouts on catch up just doesn't make sense.
wet lark
Or just make dragonflying cost gold from the flight master bing bang boom
dense plover
Or just make dragonflying cost gold from the flight master bing bang boom
wut?
thats not the problem?
the problem is how do you keep players in the air, since the continents arent DESIGNED for dragon flying
tell me you didnt read without telling me you didnt read
wet lark
You don't need to keep them in the air. Dragonriding is gimmicky
deep pawn
Gimmick or not it's staying since players are willing to jump through the hoops to fly faster and from the start of expansions
dense plover
You don't need to keep them in the air. Dragonriding is gimmicky
so not only did you NOT read it, you didnt CARE that you were responding irrelevantly. Very cool my guy
wet lark
Kek
Have a full conversation with yourself. Having those whirlwinds in open world aren't a very practical idea especially since the game is hard coded to increase the game size anytime a npc or object is rendered onto live servers
So having whirlwinds all over will add about another gig of data per continent
deep pawn
I'm pretty sure of we go back to the old world it's as a brand new continent with a lot less mountains
Like you'd see barrens, thousand needs, tanaris, uldum, and Durotar as one zone.
pulsar minnow
Id love to see the old world redesigned with modern tools and scale
its so jarring going from the dragon isles and its sheer scale back to the old flat cata zones
(also that said I really cannot wait to see what they plan to do with open world design now with dragonriding solidified as a staying feature, we could get some awesome terrain)
deep pawn
I'm just happy it killed jumping puzzles
Those wore out their welcome in WoD let alone Korthia and Zereth Mortis
harsh mason
Also seems like no new build today :(
The build may simply be postponed, since classic hardcore is coming out soon
Usually it's always been that way
warm topaz
Today they announce 2 new promotions, any guesses?
warm topaz
Something overwatch and Diablo related
its about wow
upper pasture
i'd assume there's a promotion about classic HC servers maybe watch X hours on twitch and get something but who knows
(get something for retail that is)
silent urchin
well there's the first, prime gaming item, old tcg tabard
upper pasture
maybe we'll get something like the WotLK servers had get to X level and receive mount in retail.
silent urchin
yeah, expecting something like that
although I would expect to come a little after launch rather than today
there aren't that many hardcore servers, so don't want to overly fill them
upper pasture
fair
warm topaz
this transfer pack thing is the "promotion"
?
weird, i wanted something like drops 😦
upper pasture
i doubt it?
warm topaz
its weird lile, they usually announce drops and any other promotions some days even week before launch
upper pasture
i mean, just because they are announcing the promotion today doesn't mean it's gonna start today like the prime gaming drop it could be announcing something that starts sept 1st. we don't know
silent urchin
oooh encrypted 10.2. Likely next week then?
uncut vault
Lines up with how 10.1 was announced so probably
harsh mason
oooh encrypted 10.2. Likely next week then?
This week, obviously, there will be no announcement, since this week is dedicated to classic hardcore
warm topaz
really* exited for 10.2
deep pawn
Next week is still late enough to take all winds out of my sail for this expansion. Season 2 is lasting a month longer despite it being easier and it threatens 10.3
I would actually boo if I was at Blizzcon and they announced no 10.3
deep pawn
11.0 preorders at Blizzcon really kills 10.3 odds
I wish I wasn't so salty about them only doing 3 raids
silent urchin
oh good, these two are now toys
warm topaz
11.0 preorders at Blizzcon really kills 10.3 odds
why you thinkt hat?
maybe early preorders means early 2024 release?
august
silent urchin
it makes it sound somewhat unlikely, but also stuff like that can end up in game files months before it gets used
some of the store items have been encrypted for over a year before they come out, iirc
deep pawn
Just feels like they're getting ready to announce preorders at Blizzcon
rain cave
wasn't the 10.0 dragonflight preorder stuff in strings for ages before announcement
deep pawn
10.0 was also announced relatively late for an expansion all things considered
deep pawn
Nice
subtle oar
11.0 preorders at Blizzcon really kills 10.3 odds
Why are you the doomer? Usually its me whos the nihilist but you, youve fallen for this false narrative of 10.2 being the last major patch
deep pawn
Cause I'm operating under the assumption the expansion is out before the 20th anniversary
And it takes them at least 8-9 months to finish an expansion after a last patch, average is closer to a year
There's just not enough time between a post Blizzcon 10.2 and the end of next year for a whole new tier and an expansion
So I'm resigning myself to 6 months of season 3 and then 5 or so months of fated.
subtle oar
Yes there is my guy. You're basing this entire premise of a false foundation with very little evidence.
deep pawn
Signs point to no at this point. If they surprise me at Blizzcon great, but right now hopes are low based on high chance of 11.0 preorders before 10.2 goes live
They'd have to do something they never have before to pull off two raid tiers releasing after they announce the next expansion
I suppose my best case no 10.3 scenario would be the expansion releasing next summer.
Preorder quarter will give us a clearer picture
dense plover
Signs point to no at this point. If they surprise me at Blizzcon great, but righ...
Tbf, they did sneak in 8.3 before BlizzCon - they will hopefully do something similar here unless 11.0 is releasing incredibly soon
deep pawn
That was still a .3 patch a year before Shadowlands launched.
I'll just be amazed if they somehow pull off a full raid tier and an expansion in 12 months cause they never have before
A dragon soul 2.0 where they use those Valdrakken platforms and Tyrhold assets might be the best way to do it.
upper pasture
you're acting like they don't have plans for things way before it's even announced. plus you see very hard stuck on "your vision" for the raid is the only way.
deep pawn
I just want a 4th full raid and new dungeons before they make us dole out more money for the next expansion
upper pasture
and i don't think anyone will disagree with you but i don't want it if it's rushed and half baked. if we only get 3 raids this expansion so be it.
deep pawn
I'd be disappointed and it'd automatically slot this expansion to around the BfA /WoD level. At least WoD had my garrison I really enjoyed. Dragonriding is just whatever.
upper pasture
to each their own, dragonriding was my least favorite thing i saw on the box and as it turned out it's my mosted enjoyed thing about the expansion
tepid fiber
Honestly same
vernal juniper
the beta of 11.0 was very short compared to the previous expantions
deep pawn
it was, but even then we went from 2/22/22 to 10/25/22. 8 months is the shortest they've ever done and you can't tell me you expect them to somehow get a 10.3 out by the end of February
or even early March, that'd somehow be just a 3 month season 3
deep pawn
November based on timing of the ptr and Blizzcon
vernal juniper
well
November-April ish season 3
April-11.0 season 4 with fated raids
short season
Shadowlands Season 4 will arrive on August 2
World of Warcraft: Shadowlands Season 4 ends on Tuesday, October 25, 2022
😉
deep pawn
and I'm just saying fated doesn't replace a 4th raid for me, I'd probably skip a fated season this expac and just play other games
harsh mason
You know, I'm not surprised at what was discussed here.
Approximately at the moment "DF is less than Draenor", you can safely bury the channel "wow ptr" here
harsh mason
Why are you the doomer? Usually its me whos the nihilist but you, youve fallen f...
He is not worried about this (not that 10.2 may be the final patch), but that there will be only 3 raids. Like, if the story arc doesn't lead to a raid, then it doesn't count. Which is mega weird. And it is mega strange that someone in 2023 makes conclusions based on "it seems so to me"
That is, he estimates the amount of content by how many tabs there are in the dungeon journal
deep pawn
For me I would 100% give up forbidden reach, time rifts, dream surges, and rares in general if it meant more dungeons or mini raids. I did time rifts purely because it gave a ton of mounts and weapon mogs, but I can't say they were fun. They were laggy hell holes. If there's a ton of boring meaningless world content, that doesn't make up for smaller raids and only one megadungeon being added. Bigger team delivering less content isn't a good look.
Fyrakk would be a bad final boss for the expansion narratively in my opinion as well which is also why I'm concerned. I'll suppose we'll know next week when we get the ptr.
deep pawn
That is, he estimates the amount of content by how many tabs there are in the du...
And I 100% will do this until Blizzard can somehow deliver an FF14 caliber main questline. WoW's main worthwhile content to stay subbed throughout an expansion is either raid/dungeon content or PvP.
subtle oar
Fyrakk would be a bad final boss for the expansion narratively in my opinion as ...
Good thing it's iridikron
rain cave
For me I would 100% give up forbidden reach, time rifts, dream surges, and rares...
As nice as some of the open world stuff is, I think they should just focus on having one or two and expanding them into later patches
Assaults, hunts, WQs, rares, soups, rifts, surges
Too many I've not actually done any of the time rifts because logging on just overloaded me with stuff
I'm all for nice world content and the style of dragonflight
But I also wish that WoW wasn't a game where I have to go to a guide to figure out what I'm doing
E.g. I thought I hadn't unlocked the catalyst because I'd never gotten the weekly quests for it
Turns out I just had max charges
Also the catalyst is just in a weird spot not in valdrakken
harsh mason
By the way, due to the announcements of patches and expansion: WotLK was announced on August 3, 2007, while 2.3 and 2.4 came out after that. That is, the expansion announcement has absolutely nothing to do with patch releases. In short, as I wrote earlier, forget about it. Patches come out the way developers want, they don't have any release rule
At the same time, 2.4 was not even announced. Yes, this is not a tier patch, there were not even class sets in the raid (and from the point of view of the story it looked as if it wasn't planned at all), but still, there was a precedent
rain cave
By the way, due to the announcements of patches and expansion: WotLK was announc...
while that may be I don't like the idea of them annoucing an expansion before the current story is resolved
especially if the 2 stories are linked
bfa managed to get away with it because last raid was unrelated to shadowlands by en large, the sylvanas story was resolved and shadowlands was continuing that
cata/tbc/wrath are all unrelated as well pretty much so you can tease they're coming without it disrupting the in the moment story
I just feel that with the expansion potential on their hands atm, they'd be overplaying their hand
also gonna question if this is the xpac that they decide to cap levels and not increase vertically
or if we're going to 80
if we are going to 80, what of talents?
more horizontal, or vertical
harsh mason
Almost every new expansion has been announced before players know the exp finale
It's just that it can be very easy that the final exp is not directly related to the new exp
Considering that this is the first REAL blizzcon after a long break, they can't help but announce something like this
I'm also almost sure that they can show a new roadmap on blizzcon, since the current one ends at 10.2
It was just the same in the bfa: people really thought that 8.2 was the final (more precisely, 8.2.5). Like, it came out almost a year after the release of the BfA itself, the war of the Horde and the Alliance ended, the liberation of Nzoth looked like a cliffhanger for the next exp. But it turned out that no
So it's just impossible to guess here, it all depends on the plans of the developers and on external factors that affect the development. At the moment, everything is going according to plan and if 10.3 was in the plans, then it will be released. If not, then no
rain cave
somebody needs to study this weird mandela effect on wow expansions
because in my head I've always remembered expansions being announced after final patch launch
like I remember Legion being announced in 6.2, I remember shadowlands being announced after 8.3, BfA being announced in 7.3 after dataminers found the levelling sets
upper pasture
didn't they used to announce next expansion and then a "more current thing happening now" at blizzcons?
it wouldn't be so farfetched to see both things announced at blizzcon this year tbh
rain cave
does feel like blizz suffer from having to stick to this timeline of things
because they got thrown off balance back in covid and the mess of shadowlands
and once you're behind schedule, and the events aren't moved around
you're always behind schedule
upper pasture
tbh there's nothing wrong with this release schedule so far
rain cave
I mean
this blizzcon is back at normal time yes?
like the older ones before covid
but because of things like shadowlands they were working on a different timeframe
the blizzcon was online in feb
they did the dragonflight expansion reveal not at a blizzcon but as its own event
but now that we're back to normal so to speak, they're expected to go back onto the old timescale
but in a hypothetical, lets say everything internally was knocked back 2 months in 2020
even 3 years later, that's still 2 months
theoretically it means whatever they show at a blizzcon is 2 months behind where they'd want it if they had a long term plan
you could argue that the cut shadowlands tier we all assume was a thing was their method of trying to gain back that ground
subtle oar
didn't they used to announce next expansion and then a "more current thing happe...
Several times they've done just thus.
They did that in Wrath, announcing Cata before ICC ever released, which need I remind you wasn't even the last raid of Wrath
They did it again in Cata, announcing MoP before the release of Dragon Soul
deep pawn
But those raids were on the ptr already no? 10.3 as a full raid tier requires them to have an entire ptr cycle sometime next year cause 10.2 likely won't be out when Blizzcon happens and they announce 11.0
Ruby Sanctum also wasn't a raid. It was a raid encounter to fill the content lull cause ICC lasted a whole year.
subtle oar
But those raids were on the ptr already no? 10.3 as a full raid tier requires th...
No.
subtle oar
Ruby Sanctum also wasn't a raid. It was a raid encounter to fill the content lul...
It's a raid my guy.
Why are you the pessimist now? Stop being me. That's my role here
deep pawn
I'm being a pessimist cause I truly believe season 3 needed to come in October. 😄
subtle oar
There's nothing saying it's cant
deep pawn
Single boss encounters just don't feel like raids to me, I don't see World Bosses, Onyxia, etc as full raids.
Hell I barely count Helya and the BfA ones
deep pawn
There's nothing saying it's cant
Given it'd have to come out in just about 6 weeks to not interfere with Blizzcon, it can't
upper lantern
So 10.2 has a vendor build. How soon can we expect it to hit PTR?
deep pawn
probably next week
uncut vault
They did it again in Cata, announcing MoP before the release of Dragon Soul
the announcement trailer even has a little section about how Hour of Twilight is coming out soon lol
subtle oar
Right?
deep pawn
Its still a final raid on the ptr or close to it. A 10.3 requires them to have another raid ptr cycle in 3 months
I'll be ecstatic if it happens, they just never have before
warm topaz
someone looking for 10.2 this week?
warm topaz
apparently its not getting announced this week
10.1 wasnt in the This Week thing neither
upper pasture
i have high hopes for the new transmog pack on the 1st
faint snow
Season 3 isn't coming in October
I would say, November at the earliest no?
mossy meteor
yeah after blizzcon
upper lantern
i have high hopes for the new transmog pack on the 1st
Yeah, I want the priest stuff
rustic cliff
I think we might be getting a 10.2 announcement tomorrow- there’s a mysterious gap in the “this week in wow” schedule tomorrow, and we got the 10.1 announcement on a Wednesday, too.
warm topaz
i love conspiracy theories lmao
rustic cliff
At this point, it's all ive got left LOL
Been hoping for this announcement for ages
mossy meteor
silent urchin
Trying to figure out if we know the green dragon, but seems like it's probably just an unamed character
it's in the inn at Lunedane (where the green dragon questline was)
harsh mason
Trying to figure out if we know the green dragon, but seems like it's probably j...
Merithra's Son
silent urchin
ah, so it is
pulsar minnow
Really loving what they’re doing with Vyranoth
I don’t see her joining us but I honestly could see her winning
Breaking Azeroth free from whatever the titans plans are and leading the aspects into creating a new sort of protectorship over Azeroth
silent urchin
She seemed pretty committed in the cinematic with her and alexstrasza
pulsar minnow
I can definitely see her start to make the aspects question what they’re fighting for
upper pasture
I mean, that or she will start to see what she’s fighting for isn’t worth all the pain her side is causing. Especially after that cutscene I think she’s starting to feel doubt about her brother
I still feel like she might end up “quitting” the war and making a deal to get her own little place somewhere in Azeroth
rain cave
love watching the shadowflame taking over fyrakk
the "let me in" part was a great double meaning
the fact that he's going for the emerald dream kind of unprompted as well
makes me wonder if the void's literally telling him to go for it, that's why he's so desperate
since we know the void wants in
alternatively could be iridikron who told him, in which case same thing really
subtle oar
I mean, that or she will start to see what she’s fighting for isn’t worth all th...
This is preferable and more plausible
worn crown
I don't prefer this. I do want the Aspects questioning the Titan's "benevolence".
They are shady, at least. And for me, enough of this "good colonizers" trope, lol
tepid fiber
Dark potential theory: ||Tyr is resurrected and then "empowers" the remaining Primalists to "purify them" and forcibly converts Vyranoth into a Titan-touched dragon--and she "realizes" her folly while Alexstrasza becomes shocked, offended, and jaded and seeing that Vyranoth was "right"||
God I'm even mad at myself for thinking of that one
upper pasture
thats certainly a wild one for sure lol
rain cave
Dark potential theory: ||Tyr is resurrected and then "empowers" the remaining Pr...
I mean I'm feeling that tyr could definetly have a dark streak
the whole "propping up a mythical figure that mentor characters used to know and is positioned as an idealized hero before showing that they're actually not that nice and quite outdated" is a common trope
never meet your heroes and all that
after all it was him who suggested converting dragons
it was him who arguably caused galakrond, I think is a theory
he experimented on dragons
tepid fiber
I'd say less of a dark streak and more of an ideological deference
rain cave
would not surprise me if we deal with fyrakk, Vyranoth surrenders. tyr refuses or starts to try convert her on the spot
tepid fiber
never meet your heroes and all that
But also this. Xe'ra vibes
rain cave
But also this. Xe'ra vibes
if kadghar is there with us could even give us a flash cut to illidan
because it would be very similar
and reinforce the message they're trying to send
subtle oar
They are shady, at least. And for me, enough of this "good colonizers" trope, lo...
Yikes.
harsh mason
Really loving what they’re doing with Vyranoth
She really behaves like a mother. That is, she was not against the fact that Fyrakk would sneak into the emerald dream and absorb the power of the world tree, she was against him torturing the child
upper pasture
Yes, because her views are to give choice to the people of Azeroth not convert/kill them. Which is basically what they believe the titans did to proto dragons. I really believe she will see that her brothers are just as bad as the titans if not worse before the end of DF.
dense plover
She really behaves like a mother. That is, she was not against the fact that Fyr...
i disagree
i think taking the power =/= destroying it
she has a clear goal and doesnt want to kill everyone on the way
because that defeats the point
she is trying to free everyone from what she sees as a prison
rain cave
I feel like she's not even fully convinced of the world tree plot
surely some part of her is going "but isn't that meant to be a home? a sanctuary?"
harsh mason
i think taking the power =/= destroying it
Well... we don't know what will happen if he absorbs the power of of the world tree, but for some reason it seems to me that it will kill the tree
It will be funny if Fyrakk eventually becomes someone like Xavius
But I hope he doesn't turn into a bush
dense plover
https://tenor.com/view/sylvanas-world-of-warcraft-wow-horde-gif-18202425
honestly not that different except she is more self aware and better written
glass flicker
crystal pond
I want her to be a middle person: nor allie, nor villain/enemy
Everything else: yeah sure whatever
uncut vault
honestly not that different except she is more self aware and better written
it helps to write a character as a villain with that goal from the beginning instead of writing it into their story 15 years later lol
and to not have the people she's turning against be the most blatantly evil people in the franchise 😛
dense plover
and to not have the people she's turning against be the most blatantly evil peop...
100%
dense plover
I want her to be a middle person: nor allie, nor villain/enemy
Everything else: ...
i dont think she will be an ally
but i do think she will stop fyrakk
b/c what he is doing isnt helping achieve their goal
and even if it is, at what cost?
she CLEARLY has morals
uncut vault
also because the 'ours' at the end of the cinematic is almost certainly not referring to her
warm topaz
any chance to see something abt 10.2 today?
mossy meteor
thursday is usually the ptr day
rustic cliff
any chance to see something abt 10.2 today?
I’m holding out hope with ya, Buddy. The Wednesday section of “this week in wow” is mysteriously blank, AND 10.1 was announced on a Wednesday as well. I’ve got hope for today
young latch
do we know what's in this month's trading post yet?
rain cave
they need to turn fyrakks jaw thingies into some kind of drop when we deal with him
like shoulders, or a weapon
also I'd love his horns if they went full shadowflame as a helm
dense plover
do we know what's in this month's trading post yet?
theres a post planned for tomorrow i think?
warm topaz
August 31
(Article) September Trading Post
(Promotion) New Twitch Drop Preview
(Event) Secrets of Azeroth Begins (August 31-September 13)
(Reminder) Last Day for the August Trading Post!
rain cave
has anyone put forward the idea that maybe 10.1's raid and the mega dungeon may have been swapped at some point?
like they tried to make a whole patch around the infinite stuff, that's why there's all the time rifts and such. The dungeon literally ends with iridikron, and is tied quite closely to the core story.
whereas 10.1's raid feels like it could have been a mega dungeon story.
obv that's not how it panned out but something to think about out of curiosity
since if that was the case we would have every major patch raid be an incarnate final boss, if theories hold true about fyrakk
upper pasture
No? The mega dungeons fights hardly take more than 2 people to know what to do.
Plus the world content is because people have asked for more world content instead of group stuff for the more solo players/solo stuff
warm topaz
has anyone put forward the idea that maybe 10.1's raid and the mega dungeon may ...
i have read that for twitter yeah
could make sense
they commented, among other things, that the reveal of the world tree's name was a bit strange.
upper pasture
I’d say it would have made more sense if we had 2 of the raids with incarnates as final bosses then sark as the 3rd final boss and a MD with a incarnate as a boss then the final raid with the 4th incarnate as the last boss then we might have more to theorize about but right now we don’t got much to go by
rain cave
No? The mega dungeons fights hardly take more than 2 people to know what to do. ...
you're looking at end product
which is irrelevant since we know what that is
just saying that in terms of planning perhaps they were swapped but they thought it flowed better and reallocated
upper pasture
You’re looking at half a product there’s no way of telling until we have the full picture
silent urchin
I don't see it, unless it was very early in development. the dungeon doesn't tie into zaralek caverns at all
deep pawn
what about Zaralek is solo content outside of digs and the glimmerog dailies? All the rares take groups if you don't want to take forever
upper pasture
Maybe the whole storyline?
deep pawn
There's questlines most patches though?
rain cave
I'm saying that, in a draft of how they set up the expansion. It wouldn't surprise me if they were thinking -> Incarnate at the end of every raid, Zaralek as a new area like forbidden reach for a side story for the dracthyr and aug. Augmentation released with the mega dungeon, not the raid about dracthyr.
the mega dungeon is also more relevant to the main story of the primalists than zaralek
obv everything is tied together, but it would make sense to me if in some initial version, they planned aberrus as a mega dungeon and dawn of the infinite as a raid
but perhaps they realized that zaralek was easier to ship as a path zone because it comes with a whole new area, as well as sticking out more as a raid instead of another black dragon themed dungeon (we've already had neltharus)
and perhaps they realized they wanted to have a raid that was a bit off kilter to the main story, like how other expansions have had. Like ulduar in wrath, nighthold/EN in legion.
mossy meteor
Tomorrow is basically the last chance we get the ptr or something
Otherwise it's next week
short prism
I'm saying that, in a draft of how they set up the expansion. It wouldn't surpri...
im thinking at most, the first draft may have been made with this in mind but they decided to shift the incarnates to be villains with far more staying power.
because i can see what you’re saying, but it’s unlikely that they even got far into the expansion with that in mind imo
especially considering things like Aug are far more tied to black dragon magic than the infinite/bronze stuff (as black dragon magic was literally taken away from the dracthyr)
upper lantern
Damn, thought we'd get the PTR tonight. Looking like next week though
deep pawn
New encrypted build so soon™
vernal juniper
New #Warcraft build found:
Vendor 2 (wowv2)🔐: 10.2.0.51109 --> 10.2.0.51150
Found at: 08-31-2023@01:11:15 UTC
can it be today?
dense plover
can it be today?
what i dont understand is who is pushing a build this late
so yes, today is possible (8/31)
silent urchin
Build process will be automated and may take a few hours. Could have kicked it off then gone home
vernal juniper
so yes, today is possible (8/31)
we got 2 builds in 2 days on the vendor, is this ever happened before? is there a changelog sowewher?
dense plover
we got 2 builds in 2 days on the vendor, is this ever happened before? is there ...
no - the builds are just that
builds
we dont get to see anything
its just a number on a server
subtle oar
we got 2 builds in 2 days on the vendor, is this ever happened before? is there ...
Vendor builds are builds only for things like Nvidia and the likes, iirc
vernal juniper
what i dont understand is who is pushing a build this late
what do you mean "this late"
warm topaz
they usually push builds earlier
vernal juniper
I mean during the day?
warm topaz
yeah
vernal juniper
the one of yesterday was even later
warm topaz
any chance to see the anoucement today?
vernal juniper
well we got the cinematic
we should look at the others 10.x patches
when they went live on ptr
in which day
one was in a friday If I can recall
warm topaz
i mean, there's always a possibility, whether it's probable or not is another thing.
vernal juniper
so far all the patches were announced at 5 or 6 pm CEST for 10.x
can't remember the days, only the time
warm topaz
there is a lot planed for today
drops, trading post promotions
10.1 was wednesday if i remember correctly
vernal juniper
If I have time I will look but it pretty easy to check if you have time
vernal juniper
go on blue tracked, ctrl+F on browser
and type development
you will should find only the announces for ptr
when they did the announcements, patch went live on same day
vernal juniper
check also 10.1.7 10.1 and 10.5 😛
warm topaz
10.1 was 8 march
vernal juniper
lets see if they have a pattern or it is random
harsh mason
I have a theory that 10.1.7 will only be tested for a month. Since it is very convenient to learn that dreamsurge goes for a week at each of the 4 locations 10.0
And by analogy with 10.0.7, these patches are a kind of prepatch
rain cave
like with tested for a month
I'm not sure what he means but I'm guessing it's something to do with a way for blizzard to avoid the season start issue perhaps?
since people have said 10.2 will have to be released before blizzcon, but if season starts during then it's weird
and if it starts immediately after same thing
but if 10.1.7 is basically the season preparation for 10.2, maybe that allows them to more quickly get it out?
no clue
rain cave
curious what it even is
warm topaz
they delay it to tomorrow
rain cave
I hope it's just like them realizing that the secrets stuff they've done before was good, but giving it more of a limelight
warm topaz
I don't know why they've never gone for mage tower style challenges.
rain cave
maybe it could even tease archeology revamp?
warm topaz
or more Lucid Nightmare things
hope this event is something like Lucid Nightmare
but on a big scale
rain cave
I'm mixed on how they've talked about it being related to content creators
warm topaz
yeah same
rain cave
like follow around your favourite streamer whilst you do it together
bro I just want to solve puzzles at 3am
not hear some god awful twitch streamer screaming down my ear for R E A C T I O N content
warm topaz
i hope they are not the protagonists and go unnoticed.
rain cave
"NO FLIPPIN WAY DUDE THAT'S SO CRAZY! WHAAT!"
and it'll be like
a door opening in the back of an old building in WoW
where the secret is
warm topaz
especially because many people do not speak English (I imagine there will be creators from all countries) and it can be a problem
warm topaz
maybe you can follow the event on Twitch/Youtube
but you can do it too in game
like "yo champions, come to dalaran, we have found something here"
rain cave
could it be they delayed it because they're making sure the content creators are all lined up
like if they've all been sent packages or something
weird
it'll be secrets of azeroth though, so I'm curious as to what that means
will it focus on native to azeroth things?
like trolls, tauren, etc?
will we be crypt diving?
titan stuff?
who knows
warm topaz
i want to go to the cave behind Ahn'Qiraj
there is a Dragon there
or there was
i think he is not there anymore
or she, idk
It's weird, because the start time for EU is 00:01
silent urchin
delay seems to be to make it globally synchronised
US hasn't changed
everywhere else is now the same time as 15:00 california time
which makes sense if it's an event that's gonna lean heavily on social media
warm topaz
Blizz love tease us with pirate things this month on the trading post lmao
or they are baiting
or we know what 11.0 is
dense plover
oh my god
one of the sideways crabs is this months reward!
i never got the one from BfA
is this a new holiday?
warm topaz
so cool yeah
dense plover
i dont remember this one
warm topaz
brewfest?
dense plover
dont think this was datamined - some new questline
ionic terrace
is this a new holiday?
no it's harvest festival https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Harvest_Festival
uncut vault
dont think this was datamined - some new questline
the quest titles got datamined alongside the heritage ones
- their NPCs were sitting encrypted in valdrakken for a while
dense plover
ah neat
uncut vault
also a few voice lines that kinda spoil the questline haha
rain cave
big rip
was hoping for a good monthly reward
just another recolor of a random shit-tier mount
😔
silent urchin
crab mount is pretty cool
rain cave
very expensive month
rain cave
crab mount is pretty cool
idk I dislike it
it's not unique and to me it looks like the mount equivalent of questing gear
tepid fiber
There's only one other mount like it in the game though and it's behind mid-late BFA world+raid achievement content
uncut vault
its incredibly unique lol
tepid fiber
Yeah lmao
uncut vault
like, one of the most unique in the game
tepid fiber
Incredibly animated too
Like, that's a near-exclusive animation rig
Unappreciative judgy Gamers™ istg
upper lantern
The mount is awesome
warm topaz
i love it
rain cave
I just don't get what you guys see in it
it wouldn't look out of place being sold by a rep vendor for a patch
or even a race mount :p
it just doesn't have the flair
it's just a crab, nothing special added on, and it walks sideways which to me makes it visually frustrating
tepid fiber
No flair? The saddle is a damn treasure chest
rain cave
No flair? The saddle is a damn treasure chest <:khadgarface:230835161309118474>
yeah but compare this to things like the grotto netherwing drake, or tyraels charger (which wasn't even a monthly reward)
even back to mounts like ashes, or invincible
they're just
cool
this is just a boring old crab
like they can sell it in the trading post if they want
tepid fiber
Some days I'm so happy that I'm not basic
rain cave
but feels like a heavy miss for the big monthly rewards
that have so far tried to be the cooler things, like blood trolls, jesters, high res new dragonriding mounts, etc
it's not basic
the mount is basic bruh
it's fine for some sure. But it just doesn't hold up to other monthly rewards
gloomy sleet
Am I ever gonna use the mount? No. Do I think it's designed well, yeah. I just am not really fond of riding around on a crab but it's not the worst mount they've ever designed imo
rain cave
Am I ever gonna use the mount? No. Do I think it's designed well, yeah. I just a...
I agree, it's not badly designed. It just doesn't feel fit for purpose.
upper pasture
Crab mount best mount, the only sad thing is is that I can’t dragonride my new crab mount
subtle oar
Best mounts are Noodlebois
And I have a mighty need to have them added to Dynamic flight
mossy meteor
NO LIMITS
Chromie barters for a truce between the bronze dragonflight and one of its sworn enemies, leading Nozdormu on an unexpected adventure.REFORGING TYR PART 3
Chromie and a new friend join the search for the lost Disc of Tyr. To aid their efforts, Travard rebuilds the legendary Tyr's Guard, righteous paladins dedicated to representing the values of Tyr across Azeroth. Reforging Tyr Part 3 requires completing "Infinity and Beyond" in the No Limits questline to begin, and rewards Gold and White Armor for dragonriding mounts.
silent urchin
lots of quest content, nice
deep pawn
did we have any idea of the Chromie quests?
it's tied into reforging Tyr I guess
I wonder if it'll be a past version of Morchie or Deios
deep pawn
ah... true, she didn't die in the dungeon
Part of me likes the idea of "We already killed you in the future, I can't kill you now because it'd mess things up, so let's work together eh?"
short prism
I agree, it's not badly designed. It just doesn't feel fit for purpose.
did you play during naz in bfa
the original crab that uses that rig and animations was so so so wanted
holy shit i was so jealous of anyone who had it
the sideways walking anim is so fun for a mount
i’m so so so so happy to finally get a mount that uses it (in a color scheme i like more to boot!)
rain cave
did you play during naz in bfa
yeah, I remember people talking about the crab. I still thought it was shit back then
short prism
ur lame
silent urchin
Hundreds of zone drops and rare spawn drops lost to the Cataclysm have been faithfully (or near-faithfully) restored. Good luck on your transmog hunts!
rain cave
bro idc if you like it or not it can be fine for some mogs I guess
short prism
rain cave
it's just not
a crazy mount
I don't believe in things being better just because they're harder to get or more exclusive
short prism
yeah but it’s cool
rain cave
I'll happily tmog questing greens if they look cool enough
short prism
the mount walking sideways is fun and cool
rain cave
so I don't see the appeal of the mount being "rare" or whatever
it would make me feel weird
like I'm going thr wrong way
short prism
it’s not ab rarity that’s not what i’m talking ab
i was jealous bc the mount was dope
rain cave
what's dope about it though
short prism
if you got the mount for free from a quest it would still wind up in my favorites bar
it walks sideways
short prism
it’s a nice crab model
rain cave
there's nothing special
short prism
the treasure chest is cool
rain cave
idk man to me it's same tier as like
the horses you get at level 20 humans
it's just.. an animal?
short prism
now ur exaggerating
short prism
sideways giant walking crab vs brown horse
rain cave
no magic
it's just. Crab
which has meme potential sure
but making the big monthly mount a recolor of a meme mount
😬