#beta-ptr-spoilers

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short prism
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if we believe some of their legends, the tauren we know today aren’t exactly the original shu’halo

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the original people made by the earth mother, the tauren resemble them but they might be more like yaungol or like

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something else cloven

crystal pond
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But it was confirmed that taunka moved close to well of eternity and its transformed them into taurens, no?

plain violet
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Proto yaungol --> come into Pandarie, mogu torture and shape them --> yaungol.

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Post revolt, yaungol stay yaungol, or go again close to the well and become taurens, or go to the north and become taunkas because of Uldar energy.

crystal pond
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"The tauren are the descendants of a bovine race known as the yaungol. "

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Oh, sorry, I messed up the names

subtle oar
dense plover
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new trading post stuff looks cool

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seems a bit too expensive with how many sets are coming each month

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hopefully they keep the boosted tender amounts instead of sticking with the old 1k

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that way I can at least save

dry pumice
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950 for 1 set is just, waaay to much

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Also giving druid a fist and dagger as a callback to their artifacts when only the caster specs can use them just feels bad

subtle oar
dense plover
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i think dropping each armor set to 200 would help

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or combine the weapons and armor and set it to 350 or 400

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so you can actually buy all of them (assuming they keep the current coin rate)

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i was gonna buy the stone mounts in august but i guess i need to save now....

deep pawn
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950 per class and 3 a month

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that's stupid, and the fact they're class locked is even worse

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Yeah some are artifact reskins but come on

rain cave
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alternatively (this is just an idea)

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perhaps make the sets armor type not class specific, but cost significantly less if you have a character of that class

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but idk

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maybe just make them cheaper, they aren't even full sets after all

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they'll probably cost like 350 each

upper pasture
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It says in the post

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Armor is 450 weapons is 500

rain cave
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o

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rip

deep pawn
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way to expensive for what they are, they don't glow or anything and it's not even full armor sets

plain violet
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And if it's only one tint.. meh.

jade basalt
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12000+ in total

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Guess that's why you'll be able to buy Tenders soon!

silent urchin
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Better have started saving.. about 4 months before the trading post released

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while all the new stuff is nice, kinda.. feel like it's getting time fors tuff to come around again

deep pawn
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Also, this next mont has a CRAP ton of stuff

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The Alabaster mounts are skippable at least

silent urchin
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yeah

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it's a big month

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think I'm gonna end up missing stuff I want

upper pasture
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y'all seem to forget this isn't supposed to be "get everything in a year"

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it's an evergreen system put in place to keep people subbing and playing year around.

upper pasture
silent urchin
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ion was a little cagey on specifics

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he denied direct sales but left open bundles

upper pasture
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so no tenders in the shop like people are crying that will happen

jade basalt
upper pasture
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yes the assets that would be used for marketing to show it in the bundle, yes those assets.

jade basalt
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And that these decisions are not necessarily his to make. Trust me. If Marketing wants to sell coins in the shop, Marketing can sell coins in the shop.

mossy meteor
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august 29 patch release

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no confirmation, just speculation

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although, next tuesday is 2 weeks from august 22nd, another potential release date Hmm

deep pawn
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it's not a big stretch

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the new sets for september are in the 10.1.7 patch data

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But an August patch would basically confirm October season 3 if 10.1.7 is 6 weeks again

dense plover
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that walks the line but doesnt violate what they said

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since its an added bonus

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also i suspect right now the marketing people are probably not in charge due to the pending sale to microsoft

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good PR is more important than profits right now since their value is set

jade basalt
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Oh no doubt we'll see these there.

Just saying that long-term I wouldn't be adamant about them never adding tenders to the shop.

dense plover
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its easier to just do what they did with the transmog bundle from before where its shop first THEN tenders

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because then they can keep the good PR and people who really want the item buy it

upper pasture
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bruh, you literally said "soon" come on we all know one day tenders are coming to the shop but that ship is far off

dense plover
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im hoping that microsoft taking over and kotick leaving will also mean the devs have a stronger position than the marketting people

jade basalt
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"Marketing people are not in charge" is not a thing. 6 months sub is a Marketing thing. All those rewards you get, transmog sets or mounts, from the 6 months sub or new shop items- are chosen by Marketing. Even if actual devs are against them. They get no say.

upper pasture
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regardless they aren't putting the game dev out and telling him to straight up lie to everyone with the intentions to put them in the shop 3 months later

deep pawn
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that said they're adding 2 new transmog sets to the store this week lol

jade basalt
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Enough with the strawmen bud. This isn't an argument, we seem to be agreeing- I'll change my "soon" to "eventually" if that calms you.

upper pasture
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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i mean, you're the one so dead set on being so negative about it. we all know one die before WoW gets shut down we will be able to buy those tenders despite being told be Ion that we won't be able to. as it stands they have no plans to add them to the shop since they are supposed to be a reward for actually playing the game and not something you could just buy outright.

dense plover
sleek solar
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I’m in Crete at that date

deep pawn
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10.1.7 is very minor, you'll be fine

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Now we'll also be in 10.2 PTR at that point most likely

rain cave
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I think you can buy all the sets every month

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Just depends on if you care about the mounts

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I do feel that mounts are overpriced as hell though

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Why are we paying 900 tender for something that's less valuable than a weapon transmog in some cases

deep pawn
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The class sets? Each one is most of your monthly tenders. You can get only one class set per month and only if you want nothing else

rain cave
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1000 a month, and it asks you to get another 1000+ for each month reward

silent urchin
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450 for the armour, 500 for the weapons

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per class

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so 950 total per class

rain cave
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Yeah we're talking about the armour

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The sets

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The weapons didn't seem that impressive anyway

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I agree they're overpriced

dense plover
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Called it - part of a bundle

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A pretty shitty one too

rain cave
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Oof

subtle oar
short prism
upper pasture
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July and Aug was 1200

jade basalt
upper pasture
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Bruh, I know this is critical thinking for you and that tows the line on “in the shop” but direct purchase is clearly what I was speaking about and that’s not direct purchase but it’s pretty damn close ngl

subtle oar
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Its definitely direct purchase imho. The wrists are just there for the toxic positivity crowd to be like, "See?! They're not selling Tenders"

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All the marketing for the bundle also makes sure the Tenders are the most prominently visible item

glass flicker
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Somebody once told me
That Bobby's gonna roll me
I ain't the highest paid employee

upper pasture
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I mean, that’s a bad deal no matter which way you look at it but it’s not a direct purchase. You’re buying a mog and getting 200 tenders as a “bonus” sure some people dgaf about those wrists. 5 bucks for 200 tenders? I’ll pass even if I want those mogs

glass flicker
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He was looking kinda dumb
On his yacht, sucking his thumb
So I shrugged, thoughts of WoW raids in my head

upper pasture
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It’s up to the consumer now to show blizzard we don’t want to be “sold” tenders like this. Low sales will “teach” them that this strategy isn’t going to work

dense plover
upper pasture
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Agreed even with the tenders tacked on

glass flicker
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I just wanted the ethereal toy and the scarves this month.

dense plover
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i want the stone mounts but i might just buy 1 since i dont have an HD windrider model mount

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just glad the blood troll thing is free

plush mortar
glass flicker
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Hm? How? You didn't do the Pandaria rep for it?

subtle oar
dense plover
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i started playing again about 2 months before WoD dropped

glass flicker
upper pasture
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Oh I know the community has already snatch it up so

glass flicker
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Well, there's always the option to buy timewalking tokens.

dense plover
glass flicker
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They're even farmable. Do Chromie Time.

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Few people actually remember you can get Timewarped Badges from Chromie Time.

subtle oar
upper pasture
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i'm actually surprised blizzard chose to do a ingame shop bundle with tenders before adding it as a twitch/amazon/expansion bundle first but i guess they thought it would work if they did it hot of the heels of the news of the expensive sets coming

glass flicker
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Oh, wow. That new store fucking sucks.

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Store set*

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This is so low effort.

upper pasture
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i like the belt but the rest of it is meh, not to my taste

subtle oar
glass flicker
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Not counting the helm and shoulders which are bound to be unique, the belt is the only 3D piece.

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Where my 3D bits, Blizz? That's the best part of new sets.

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Hmm.

subtle oar
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It plants the seed in the mind as, "Well, if I buy this bundle, I can get the set I want AND the weapons too"

upper pasture
glass flicker
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How long, do you think, before they port customization from some races to other races and put it on the Trading Post?

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I've seen humans with Kul Tiran hair on Pepsilon.

tepid fiber
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I wouldn't use what private servers do as an example of what Blizzard should do. I also wouldn't break the rule about not talking about private servers

glass flicker
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KeyboardTurner is a pretty reliable dataminer. peeposhrug

jade basalt
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Nothing to do with private servers, this is just putting the Kul Tiran hair on a normal human model

tepid fiber
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Nothing to do with them aside from Motivated naming one as where he saw the combination

glass flicker
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I saw this on Twitter.

deep pawn
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yeah, that new set while $5 cheaper, is not worth $15

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nothing special or unqiue about it, no fire

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leave the low effort crap sets to d4 Blizzard

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If it ain't Sprite Darter or Celestial Observer quality, it's not store worthy

dense plover
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it looks like a recolored kul tiran questing set

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hard pass

deep pawn
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I may even pass on it for tenders since it'll be an 850 set or something

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Has anyone even been buying those d4 sets that the wowhead devs make a news post every single time one is added?

sleek solar
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I just want a recolored Kul Tiran heritage set, it looks amazing but I dont like how Kul Tiran are forced to be a bit… fat, and still the only ones who can weird it (last part makes sense, but does not make it better xD)

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I would love that on my Void elf rogue

dense plover
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they look like shit

deep pawn
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I was making a slight jab at wowhead there for them making a news post for every one haha

silent urchin
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also see very little of your character in d4

deep pawn
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that too

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so has there been a vendor build yet this wee?

silent urchin
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there's a 10.1.7.50644 on wowdev, so that's newer than ptr

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not sure when it went up

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although given live is 50622 and I think that was a hotfix rollup on friday, it's pretty new

signal bone
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I don't understand the point of those d4 shop sets, 90% of them look like sets you get in the game

silent urchin
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apparently went up on friday, so may or may not be a build for this week

silent urchin
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PTR still up so seems like no build today

wet lark
dusk flame
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hardcore release is 24 august so how long the ptr will be on?

ionic terrace
short prism
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hype for when the set comes around to the trading post tho

silent urchin
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Yeah, idea is nice, just lacks a bit of detail to really justify the price

short prism
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if it was just more…layered. that’s all i’d like for it to make it work

silent urchin
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Pretty much, just feels like its lacking a bit compared to most modern sets

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Also PTR still offline, and no patch yet

ionic terrace
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build now

silent urchin
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Ah ha, complaining works

deep pawn
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right as I have to go to work dang it

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no notes yet

silent urchin
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no realms yet either

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ah ha, there's the realms

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not sure if this one is new or they j ust made it retroactive, but got it on logging in

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ooh, this seems new

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EK cup is up for testing, don't think it was before

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vendor seems unchanged tho

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unless the winding slitherdrake customisations are new

dense plover
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dont think so

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i bet the white scales end up in there tho

silent urchin
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Placeholder NPCs for dreamsurge have been replaced

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dense plover
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did they post patch notes?

dense plover
silent urchin
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assuming the wyrm crest is meant to be for dreamsurge tokens

ionic terrace
# dense plover did they post patch notes?

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-fury-incarnate-ptr-development-notes/1631163/6

World of Warcraft Forums
Dragonflight: Fury Incarnate PTR Development Notes

Hello everyone! Here is what you can find with this week’s Fury Incarnate PTR update: EASTERN KINGDOMS CUP Soar through Eastern Kingdoms skies with the dragonrider racing event, Eastern Kingdoms Cup. Challenge 16 races across Eastern Kingdoms in Normal, Advanced, and Reverse variations to earn Riders of Azeroth Badges to exchange for rewards...

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just now

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not muchtho

silent urchin
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that's actually pretty powerful catchup

silent urchin
dense plover
silent urchin
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those are all 415, champion 1/8, fixed stats

uncut vault
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given the whole story centers around a Silver Scale

silent urchin
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celestine has a bunch of random stat 402 vet 1/8 tokens

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also some pets

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and a mysterious ?

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presumably a mount

ionic terrace
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question mark

upper pasture
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yay more mog farming next patch 😄

silent urchin
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the dreamsurge powder should be real fast

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the other ones seem tiemgated

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two quests a week that give one each

upper pasture
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yeah still working on other sets from the time rifts D: although i've not been efficient so i'm to blame

silent urchin
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elwynn forest races is just trees: the racecourse

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pretty easy tho, the elwynn ones are simpler and lack branches

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not gonna go do all 16

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I feel like it's a bug, but collecting coalescence sometimes gives you a full whelplings crest

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Also I assume its placeholder, but the gear is currently using the suffused camp appearances

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maybe it'll be the same but green tiny

upper pasture
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it's likely the same gear but different tint honestly that's what the time rift ones were

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although they are getting a little bloated in that drop down menu lol

silent urchin
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off the boss of a minor rift portal

uncut vault
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Green dragons are the last one without a color tint now, so it makes sense to give them oneof the 10.1 outdoor sets for the last stretch of this patch cycle

upper pasture
dense plover
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booo

silent urchin
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well

dense plover
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especially if they dont add more shadowflame crest drops

silent urchin
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you can get wyrm crests from it

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albeit very slowly

dense plover
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im freaking starved for them on live

silent urchin
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possibly

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so that can take you up to 437

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the 402 gear does seem to be a new tiny

dense plover
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it only goes to 424 if you dont do dungeons and such

silent urchin
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tint*

dense plover
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and anyone who has been active semi-recently is starved for crests not gear

silent urchin
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nah it's there as a vendor option, just.. same as the great vault weekly consolation prize

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dense plover
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i dont do any instanced content - im at ilvl 422 - im missing about 8 crests and then im kind of done for gear until next season

silent urchin
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unknown how much that'll cost or if it'll stay

dense plover
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also i dont know if that is the right one....

silent urchin
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great vault weekly "not gear" option

dense plover
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oh no thats not what i mean

silent urchin
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so not final

dense plover
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i hope its something you can grind through world content

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that would fix some of my problems

silent urchin
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I assume it'll end up being the dreamsurge tokens

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just not final so far

dense plover
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are those crests the mid-tier ones? the ones below the mythic ones?

silent urchin
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heroic level ones, 424 - 437

dense plover
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oh dang

upper pasture
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2nd from the top

dense plover
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oh thats actually great

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i hope they add more drops for the 3rd from the top tho

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thats whats been stopping me lately

upper pasture
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i believe you can trade down no?

dense plover
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but yeah if they make those world content purchasable that would be awesome

silent urchin
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you can, but that's probably a bit of a waste

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One of the weekl;y quests here does give drakes fragments

dense plover
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how many?

silent urchin
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only 10

dense plover
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yeah see the drake ones are the problem

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i hope they add them as drops from the content

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so then the higher tier ones are useful

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theyre worthless if you cant get to the mid-point where it switches crests

upper pasture
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except they aren't you can trade them down. yeah it sucks but if you aren't doing the content to get the drakes you can trade your wyrms down to drakes and get your gear past that break point

deep pawn
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This patch is so small, there's no way it comes out after the equinox

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I'm half expecting a release date next week and 10.2 ptt

silent urchin
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the equinox as in late september?

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trying to get a headless horseman done to see if that quest works yet and goes anywhere

deep pawn
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Yeah, first day of fall

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Since the roadmap sorta has this in fall for some reason

uncut vault
silent urchin
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Well, only 3 classes for september

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and I think those are the ones already in the client

uncut vault
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Only paladin and druid are in 10.1.5 as far as I know

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and neither are fully ready to ship

deep pawn
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To give them a bit more pre Blizzcon leeway I'm hoping for the 22nd

silent urchin
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also bear in mind half the dev team probably has august booked off to play BG3

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ironforge reverse race time is tight

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also lots of very close trees

deep pawn
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I want 8/22 patch which means 6 weeks later is 10/3 and season 3 on 10/10

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That gives the race a whole 3 weeks before Blizzcon to allow travel

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They could barely squeeze it in one week later though

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The time ways event started right away with 10.0.7 or was it after a bit?

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The only reason I can think of for the total lack of class changes so far is that we're only 8 weeks or so from 10.2

silent urchin
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eh, there's a few class changes

deep pawn
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Two minor changes to two specs is not a ret level rework

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Okay, so 10.1.7 lasted 6 weeks, the time ways event started one week into it and lasted til the launch of season 2.

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8/29 can barely fit but the raid can't last more than 10 days or so. 8/29 patch would mean a 10/17 season start

silent urchin
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oooh, the krazzworks race in twilight highlands is neat

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EXCEPT FOR THE ZEPPELINS RANDOMLY CROSSING THE COURSE

deep pawn
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I'm excited for the Kalimdor cup

silent urchin
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yeah, only did a few of those on PTR but they seemed neat

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there's a lot of nice terrain being used for EK

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lots of it that you never really see from those angles, despite regular flying being there

dense plover
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and prevents an overlap with FFXIV's next patch which is probably the first week of october

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which means blizzcon is either 10.3 or 11.0

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or both

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GODDAMMIT

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i still cant test

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my fucking character wont copy

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and theres no one to complain to

deep pawn
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I really can't see no 10.3 cause that'll mean they're doing a fated season during Dawntrail launch and that fated season will see so much unsubbing

dense plover
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yep

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10.3 in feb

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maybe march

deep pawn
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March or April perhaps

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April is pushing it though cause blizzard can't develop a content patch and an expansion side by side very well

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March would give them 8 months until the 20th though

dense plover
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this is a nice feature

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skybox is still not consistent

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STILL

deep pawn
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Oh snap, Naralex, Mr Sleepy himself

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I guess we're gonna get updates on what the Cenarion Circle has done since the sword.

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I wonder if they'd do a 5 month season 4 and then 2 month fated sprint.

dense plover
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maybe in 10.2

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doesnt seem to be much story in 10.1.7 tbh

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but it could be encrypted

deep pawn
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It's all encrypted. We have the heritage quests and the whole Tyr stuff I think

silent urchin
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I'm expecting at least something setting up the tree a bit more

upper pasture
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we never recovered the disks with tyrs memories eh?

deep pawn
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Not yet

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They may still be lost or perhaps Nozdormu can now see where Deios hid them

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Yeah, 10.1.7 has reforging Tyr & more

silent urchin
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I was kinda unclear on those discs

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he says something about them holding the key to the aspects power

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which seemed kinda like it tied in to the megadungeon

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but it's never actually mentioned

uncut vault
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They hold Tyr's memories, with the idea that Tyr would know how to do it

silent urchin
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yeah, guess it'll make sense once the story is out

deep pawn
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Let's just hope Tyr isn't easily corrupted like most Keepers

silent urchin
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some of these races where you cross the zone like 4 times in under a minute really point out how much bigger zones are now

deep pawn
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Don't you love the gameshow "Are they Loken, Thorim, or Odyn?!"

silent urchin
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it';s always loken

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at least, if I know my stolen norse mythology at all

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ok maybe I will do all the races

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so doing it all, plus the quest, gives 136 tokens

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4 short of finishing the set

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and 104 short of everything on the vendor

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but I think kalimdor is 16 races? EK was 14

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so kalimdor will get you the set, and EK will easily finish off the rest of the vendor

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they all felt reasonably fair. I think the plaguelands one was the one I struggled with most, that definitely required somewhat better timing of vigor use

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most of the rest let you get into a flow where you were just maintaining speed without needing to worry too much about vigor

dense plover
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any rules on like - how many times you can try? does it teleport you back to the start of the race after?

silent urchin
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just like any other dragon race

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except you get dismounted and ported back about 5 seconds after the end

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cause you're only borrowing the mount

dense plover
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nbd

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sounds easy

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how long does a full run take, doing all the races?

silent urchin
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that took probably 90 minutes or so

dense plover
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nice

silent urchin
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A lot seemed fairly forgiving, finishing with a few seconds margin

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was only 3-4 of them where it was tight enough to need a bit of practice

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definitely quite a few trees and obstacles

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especially the zul'gurub one

deep pawn
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Need gold on all or silver?

silent urchin
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title is all gold, I think

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didn't seem to be any other rewards

deep pawn
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Title is meh

silent urchin
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It's 240 coins for everything, and you get one coin for each medal, with 30 races across the two cups, I think you can buy everything with silver on all races (30 races * 3 (normal/advanced/reverse) * 2 coins for bronze/silver)

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probably a few bronzes too, cause there's a few bonus coins from the quest

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lmao the title itself has a typo

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ionic terrace
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Easter Kingdoms

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🥚

silent urchin
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seems like enough to make a 45 minute youtube video wildly speculating about the next expansion

ionic terrace
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we are going to the easter islands

rain cave
uncut vault
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PTR realms down, weird

warm topaz
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D:

dusk flame
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omg i got distoneccted in the middle of battle, will my char dies?

deep pawn
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Are you talking about the hardcore ptr?

subtle oar
dense plover
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new vendor build

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probably a build for next week

deep pawn
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this whole month has been weird

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definitely feels like they're on vacation or something

uncut vault
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they're currently dealing with the forced Return to Office mess

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so things are likely a bit shaky internally

deep pawn
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Did they turn off remote access to those who aren't wanting to rto?

uncut vault
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They've been having to go through an incredibly tedious application process the last few months, most of which haven't gone through in time for the deadline that just occured

deep pawn
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Would explain the sudden lack of any tuning then

silent urchin
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There was a pretty big tuning post about two hours ago

deep pawn
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But still has been very slow for them

deep pawn
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So, fun numbers for pointless speculation. 10.0.7 was on ptr for only 7 weeks.

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If the same is for 10.1.7 that'd be 8/29

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There was 6 weeks between 10.0.7 and 10.1 releasing which gives us 10/10

harsh mason
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I just don't know how else to explain that the release of content for the game is planned for a year. And if, conditionally, 10.1.7 is scheduled for September, then it will release in September (regardless of when the previous patch was released. Considering that there are 4 storylines in the patch, a world event and new content for the holidays, then all this will be tested for at least a month

harsh mason
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I'm just going to tell you a secret, but if we really start comparing patches in DF and pre-expansion, then look: patches 10.0.5+10.0.7+10 .1.5 is equivalent to x.1 patches in the past (and it comes out a little more even). 10.1 is equivalent to x.2.

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In other words, the number of content from 10.0 to 10.1.7 is the same as what was previously included in the period from x.0 to x.2

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In everyone's favorite LK and pandaria had only 2 major patches and 2 small ones (that is, in any case less).

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I do not know how much more this will be discussed

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Are you only looking at raids? Okay There were 3 tier raids in each expansion. There will also be 3. If they divide, conditionally, the final raid into 3 different raids, it will still be one tier. If in the same SL each raid is divided by 2, then we have as many as 6 raids of 5 bosses. But the amount of content will not change in any way.

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If we divide the Vault into 2 raids, it will still be one raid tier. There will be no more raids as such, there will be no more content.

warm topaz
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just a feeling

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in Blizzcon they will release the 2024 roadmap

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thats my guess

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this is probably not happening but i would like to see in the 2024 roadmap 10.3 11.0 and 11.1

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or at least 11.0.5 and 11.0.7

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maybe im asking too much

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but dreaming is free

harsh mason
warm topaz
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we will see

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who knows

subtle oar
pulsar minnow
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I seriously doubt they’ll end this expansion at 10.2. Next patch is focused on Fyrakk and Vyranoth and we still have the unresolved stuff regarding Iridikron

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Also isn’t there like an ancient dwarven group at or around the isles

glass flicker
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Hear me out. Final boss of the next raid is Iridikron and also Fyrakk with Vyranoth helping us. And after that, the last boss of the expansion is Galakrond, as a void-infused pile of bones.

pulsar minnow
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Idk I can’t see Vyranoth turning after that conversation with Alexstrasza. Too much has happened for her to forgive the flights

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And fyrakk is just a freaking maniac

harsh mason
glass flicker
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How do you know?

harsh mason
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As if the words of the characters are also a source of information that you need to pay attention to, and we were told in 10.1.5 that he left the war for his kin and concentrated on the Titans

pulsar minnow
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Well this is a story.

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I think we’ll definitely see Iridikron in some form. Probably a scene with him and Xal’Atath

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For set up for 10.3

glass flicker
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Okay, and? It's not like he doesn't consider Fyrakk a tool.

harsh mason
pulsar minnow
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Possible yes, likely no

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He’s the main antagonist of Dragonflight

harsh mason
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I translate it to everyday: Fyrakk took command, and Iridikron switched to the war with the Titans

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Alex and Chromie literally say so.

pulsar minnow
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He’s trying to bait the titans into coming to Azeroth so he can unleash the harbinger, Xal’Atath upon them

harsh mason
pulsar minnow
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That story doesn’t necessarily end now

deep pawn
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They said he left the war to his kin for now. Not for good.

harsh mason
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Iridikon now, if you look at the story arcs, then this is a story arc with titans

pulsar minnow
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This entire expansion has involved the titans

deep pawn
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As if we haven't been dealing with after effects of the Titans all expansion. You're acting like the Titans are a new addition to the theme of this expansion. One of the first words uttered to us by the Primalists were "The Titans lied"

pulsar minnow
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The titans are literally the only reason this expansion’s story exists

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Still pretty curious how this expansion is gonna end tho. It feels like this expansion has tried pretty hard to sort of reset the entire game’s story

Like we have the return of Dragon Aspects and the age of dragons, then creating a new world tree.

But then there’s also malfurion and illidan. Malfurion will probably come back at the end of the expansion when Ysera returns to the shadowlands. Then maybe we’ll see illidan come back too? If the titans get involved that is

deep pawn
# harsh mason Are you only looking at raids? Okay There were 3 tier raids in each expansion. T...

Most expansions have 4 unique tiers of raids. The ones with just 3 are those that are known to have cut content. Wrath had Naxx, Ulduar, ToGC, and ICC. Cata had The first 3, Firelands, and Dragon Soul but an admitted cut Water raid. MoP had Vault, Heart of Fear/Terrace, Thunder King, Siege. WoD fell back to just 3. Legion had Nightmare, Nighthold, Tomb, and Antorus(Not to mention adding a mega dungeon and 2 normal dungeons) If this expac ends in 10.2 with a 9-10 boss raid and no new dungeon. It will be a small expansion.

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I think my math had it the 10.2 raid would have to have like 14 bosses to match WoD, the poster boy expac for cut content

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Maybe I'm just ungrateful, but a mini patch with 20 minutes of story doesn't make up losing an entire raid.

harsh mason
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Yes, but this is not the expansion, where there is one specific story arc, there is not even a main antagonist. There are many different themes that are intertwined with the plot of each of the 5 dragon flight. Even the final boss of the entire DF won't necessarily be someone who is important to the plot.

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But in any case, we will find out in November

harsh mason
deep pawn
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Vault was not the same tier, it dropped lower ilvl, came earlier etc.

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Same deal with Emerald Nightmare and what they attempted with Highmaul in WoD

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And if that's the measure you want to go, that makes vault half the size of a normal first tier

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Voti

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No matter how you look at it, if blizzard does no 10.3 this expansion will be the smallest since WoD

harsh mason
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It can't be serious

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There was one content patch in wod. Is this a joke? Because otherwise it's not even funny

deep pawn
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WoD had highmaul, blackrock, and hellfire. You'd be okay with DF having voti, Aberrus, and amirdrassil just cause they threw some pointless world events at us? Zaralek was a failure.

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And I said smallest since. So yeah, we're looking at an expac that'd be smaller than Legion, BfA, and Shadowlands

upper pasture
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If anything I’d say the primalist future was more of a failure than Zaralek caverns

harsh mason
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The amount of content is not determined by the number of raids. Fuck, I already wrote that nothing, absolutely nothing, will change if they do 3 raids in one major patch, for example (because these 3 raids can be combined into one raid). There was one content patch in wod for 2 years. DF has released 4 content patches in 7 months. The total number of content is more than 3 times. It's not comparable. Blizzard doesn't care about the number of raids, they look at the number of seasons.

deep pawn
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Then golly jee, d3 has tons of content based on how often they do seasons

harsh mason
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I'm about to start schizophrenia due to the fact that I've been writing this for 10 times over the summer, but if you divide the same Sepulcher into 2 raids, then NOTHING will fucking change

harsh mason
deep pawn
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It is since they're not able to tell stories with the depth of ff14

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It takes blizzard months to do a short 60 second cutscene that shows one thing like Ebyssian getting speared.

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The closest this expansion has gotten to any sort of real depth was the blue dragon questline and that was apparently someone's personal passion project they had to fight for.

harsh mason
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It doesn't matter, since in previous expansion there was a lot of negativity in the face of other content in the open world (literally in every patch). But there is an objective (when the oven is about a boring stub called broken shore), and subjective. Content is content. The raid is part of the season.

pulsar minnow
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Like I don’t see why we’re needlessly complicating this

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There’s quite literally nothing to suggest we won’t get a 10.3

deep pawn
pulsar minnow
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Emphasis on the for now. I’m pretty sure that just means he’s gonna let fyrakk and Vyranoth do their world tree business while he puts his plan into motion

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We’d go after Iridikron right now if it wasn’t for amirdrassil being a target

deep pawn
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The only reason we don't get 10.3 is if 10.2 releases post Blizzcon and then the schedule between 10.2 and an 11.0 expansion gets very murky since blizzard has struggled in the past to work on a last patch and an expansion at the same time

pulsar minnow
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Eh. I think they can manage it

deep pawn
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You think they can deliver a May 10.3 and then a November 11.0?

pulsar minnow
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Also, I don’t see why they couldn’t announce 10.3 at Blizzcon and announce the expansion later. Yes ofc Blizzcon generates major hype

deep pawn
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There was 8 months between 9.2 and 10.0 and even that was fast by blizzard standards

pulsar minnow
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Well yeah, they don’t necessarily have to launch the expansion in November

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Keep in mind they literally did just buy an entire studio to integrate into the wow team solely for WoW

harsh mason
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Ok. And you can now show where it says that it is Iridikron that is the main one. Because the whole game says that THEY are ALL leaders. Incarnations are an important threat, but it's not about them alone expansion (as it was with specific antagonists: Wrath, Cata, SL). In BC Illidan was also shown as the main antagonist. Who was the final boss?

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Iridikron was singled out from them as the most dangerous (not even the strongest, since it was said that Fyrakk is in no way inferior to him in strength). It is the most dangerous

upper pasture
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while they are all leaders of the primalists Iridikron is the one with the most tactical strategy and it all of the cutscenes they share they seem to listen to him when he's issuing commands

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hence why people often refer to him as the "leader" since usually what he says goes.

harsh mason
upper pasture
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without him the incarnates would have been done for at the end of VoTI cause fyrakk would have bumrushed valdrakken and likely lost to us.

harsh mason
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Fyrakk is literally their main strength (I suspect Raszageth was more the one who led the primalists). Judging by her role in 10.0.

upper pasture
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yes but wild uncontrolled strength can often lose to a smaller force with strategy

harsh mason
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The iridikron is something close to KJ. And Fyrakk to Archimonde

upper pasture
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and TBF Ras wasn't in the story THAT much longer than any of the other Incarnates at this point the leader of the Primalist are the Incarnates but before any of them were freed it was likely to be Kurog Grimtotem.

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since his forces were the ones that freed Raz then they went on and freed the rest.

harsh mason
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Well, this is more likely if we are talking about modern primalists. The primalists themselves are precisely the ancient protodragons

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I'm actually wondering how the mortal races started getting to them. Like, from 10.1 we learn that djaradins has signed a contract with Iridikron.

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Most likely it all started with shamans through elementals, then this is my opinion

upper pasture
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yes Kurog was a shaman so it's likely that's how the connection happened.

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as for the Djaradins that's likely to be a tad bit more complex but it could be an enemy of my enemy type thing but evenutally the Djaradins would turn on the proto drakes after their elders were awakened. since they are a warrior race known to wait until they can fight the strongest enemy.

rain cave
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tbh it could be interesting if instead of trying to set up new enemies just to axe them

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they're doing the whole rigmarol of rebuilding their rogues gallery

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because over the past few expansions we've kind of... drained their backlog

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the legion WAS an everpresent threat they could bring in whenever it mattered, now it's not. But now they're planting seeds to allow demons to matter in the story again.

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undead/scourge, bolvar was a break glass meme

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they've exhausted that

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n'zoth as well, kultiras/ zandalar

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azshara kinda

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but yeah they're rebuilding up the different factions so that if they, for example, made a patch that takes place in the twisting nether, it wouldn't be unreasonable to have fel, order, light, void, etc all as players

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to relate to the previous convo, if vyranoth kind of remains as a new effective kil'jaeden for the primalists

uncut vault
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As cool as the set-up is at the end of the dungeon, don't be shocked if it pays off within a patch or two lol

deep pawn
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Oh I agree, we're finishing the Primalists plot this expac. They aren't deep enough a foe to last beyond that

harsh mason
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Me too please 🙏

sleek solar
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<@&299347348847329281>

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legends

harsh mason
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Oh

short prism
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like multi-expac antagonists type vibe

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the primalists would’ve been such a good counter to the player factions

deep pawn
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If their motivations weren't so shallow and comes down to they listened to a shaman who listened to a random dragon imprisoned

rain cave
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They don't have to be shallow though

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Like they haven't fully explored them yet, they could still introduce more depth

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E.g. a draenei who doesn't trust titan meddling because of sargeras

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He knows what titans can do to planets, knows they are fallible. Therefore they shouldn't be trusted to run the planet

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It's a different motivation to say, an orc, who may just trust the elements more after an upbringing that emphasised them.

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Or a pandaren whose bad experience with the mogu makes them feel unease for titan constructs

worn crown
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Primalist motivation wasn't shallow
Trusting Titans blindly is shallow for me
The unquestionably good colonizers, lol
Rasz had some great lines while she lasted

short prism
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^^^^

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We haven’t even truly explored their depths, but if you simplify it, you could say similar things about our faction. “We listened to a dragon who listened to the titans” is essentially where we’re at— but obviously there’s more to it than that

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I hope we actually explore how such a diverse group of people came together through the elements to support azeroth as they see it

subtle oar
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I feel like Xalatah is being set up as a true over-arching bbeg

rain cave
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old gods/ the void in general really

deep pawn
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The only reason there's all races in the primalists, including like Lightforged Draenei is blizzard just includes all player races now in cults. The only notable ones were the Night Elves and Kurog

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There was Draenei in the twilight's hammer in cata even

harsh mason
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The only thing is that these factions have been around for a long time. And they were the first to appear (of course not the first, but there are almost no people alive who started playing BEFORE warcraft 3). In short, these are not outstanding factions, but rather just a biased attitude towards them. But I think that no one in their right mind will try to compare them (huge armies) and local primalists (which in an unnamed version is not the same as it was 20,000 years ago).

deep pawn
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We haven't even fought one really since 10.0.7

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The fyrakk assaults have a couple nobodies, but the last named primalist was the Zaralek intro I guess and those guys were comedic relief lol

harsh mason
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Primalists are not mortal shamans. Primalists are proto-dragons joined by various mortal races. In fact, they participate in every patch (except 10.1.5)

harsh mason
uncut vault
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Why did they write them to be a large scale threat then lmao

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If they wanted the primalists/incarnates to be a focused threat, they shouldn’t have made their goal worldwide destruction lol

deep pawn
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The Primalists are the mortals that listened to the call of Kurog and Raszageth, both are dead. Some have aligned with Fyrakk and Vyranoth but seems like we killed most in Voti

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The incarnates and the primal dragons are the ancient faction

harsh mason
deep pawn
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As evidenced by the last 3 named primalists were absolute jokes

harsh mason
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Even in terms of strength, at the moment their main strength is in ProtoDragons and elementals (which is not even close to the same twilight's hummer

harsh mason
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Primalists are protodragons who sided with the Incarnations of 20,000 years. But in modern Azeroth, mortals began to be recruited into this faction (to increase the number of soldiers). It's not that some Kurog decided to gather an army of shamans and called them primalists, no.

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This is what it is at the moment. But after Fyrakk devoured SF and freed Igira, the ancient djaradins joined the primalists. In fact, the fraction develops during DF

short prism
short prism
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is there a chance she could reincarn lol

harsh mason
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About the fact that they are a threat and the lni will "cleanse" the world from the influence of the Titans -it was about Incarnations. And it is obvious that it was not literally that they would fly and clean it from the Titans. Their more secretive methods seem to hint that because of the modest number they are not able to resist modern Azeroth

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That's why Iridikron was looking for a way to even the odds. To even the odds is to use SF and free the ancient djaradins. Which is what happened in 10.1.

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Primalists fought 20,000 years ago, where there were dragons against dragons. After 20,000 years, you won't physically be able to become a large-scale threat just by recruiting shamans

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Therefore, mortals in the ranks of primalists are expendable. Just a shock army. Therefore, both Koroleth and Kurog are just high-ranking mortals in the ranks of the faction, where proto-dragons are higher in the hierarchy.

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And as for the death of Koroleth or Kurog. On our official website before the Legion, there was a naga named Athissa among the main characters of expansion. So it's high time to understand that for blizz, the death of a character during quests is normal and does not depend on its importance

rain cave
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have you seen the size of some of these dragons

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they got some damn big scales

harsh mason
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Peoples and factions in modern Azeroth have things capable of killing such huge dragons. That's what I'm talking about. They're just huge dragons. I'm not talking about, for example, titansforged. But if such an army is strengthened, for example, SF, then this will already be a threat. Not because of the strength, but the features of SF itself.

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And if we add djaradins and Igira to this army (which, judging by the dialogues, should create something from the resources they extracted in 10.1), then this will already be a faction at the level of at least twilight's hummer

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It seems that with the using of SF you can still raise corpses

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This is also something that should "equalize" the forces

deep pawn
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Igira is gonna die mid raid. She's ultimately another nobody. Rashok was stronger than her even drained as he was.

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The djaradin are just fodder for the Primalists at this point. We literally killed two of their elders as a world boss

harsh mason
deep pawn
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Her creation could easily be boss one and her boss 2.

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There's no plot to be had. Djaradin are just there to be a random enemy, there's no reasoning with them or anything.

harsh mason
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And I don't really understand, what does it have to do with what kind of boss she will die? General Nazgrimm died in the middle of the raid, was he a random orc? The general of the mantis army (literally the commander of the army) in Pandaria died in the dungeon, and random mantises were bosses in the raid. So that's not how it works

rain cave
deep pawn
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I'm gonna assume we have some language barrier stuff going on hurting understanding on both sides.

harsh mason
# rain cave the joke your head

During this summer, I have already stopped understanding jokes here. Every day I literally run to schizophrenia because of what they sometimes write here

deep pawn
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Probably shouldn't use mental illness as a joke like that but meh

harsh mason
deep pawn
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Thunder King got an entire raid dedicated to him and was a last boss plus Mogushan Vaults. No Djaradin gets to claim that

harsh mason
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And yes, it is not necessary for them to create a separate raid, this is also not how it works.

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Wow is not a game about raids

deep pawn
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Djaradin just end up being a speed bump vs a real threat

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Blizzard devs themselves say they like using raids as a way to tell big parts of the story.

harsh mason
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I have not written anywhere that they are as much a THREAT like mogu. I wrote about how they are revealed in lore.

harsh mason
deep pawn
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Mogu in general had a better plot and were present in all parts of the continent. Djaradin are condensed to one small area.

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Djaradin are more Saurok than Mogu

pulsar minnow
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raids kinda coincide with the plot

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like raids are major story beats in the story nowadays so it could be argued that maybe wow is not about JUST raids, but it surely is about Raids, Dungeons, and PvP (take the last one with a grain of salt)

harsh mason
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That's what I wrote

pulsar minnow
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You said “wow is not a game about raids.” That is what you wrote but now this is just semantics so whatever

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Also PvP doesn’t deliver any story period

subtle oar
deep pawn
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This was a given, but first mention of Warcraft news at Blizzcon. METZEN THOUGH Y'ALL. Thrall is back!

subtle oar
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I hope they have Metzen doing the stage-work

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He was the show all those past years ago

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He knew how to truly work the crowd

uncut vault
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what, you weren't thrilled by "Kyrian, take flight!"? 😛

subtle oar
rain cave
harsh mason
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I don't want to say anything bad about Metzen, but I will remind that it was he who created WoD, and then left…

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The captain escaped from the ship, so to speak

cosmic beacon
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oh so if metzens back they might give us wod cm 2.0

warm topaz
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now he is creative advisor for WoW

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what that mean?

harsh mason
# warm topaz what that mean?

Works with the community and determines what it wants. But in the case of the wow community, this is an impossible job

warm topaz
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true lmao

pulsar minnow
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Metzen also wrote Legion too.

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Metzen left because of his own mental health, he’s better now and that’s why he’s back as creative advisor

harsh mason
# pulsar minnow Metzen also wrote Legion too.

Legion was going well until the moment with Sargerite Keystone. It was literally the moment that killed the whole point of the plot in Legion. I remember a lot of negativity towards Legion starting in 8.2. And not just because of the boring Broken Shore, but primarily because of the plot

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A lot of what Metzen wrote is nonsense. For example the moment when during the ICC siege Alliance and Horde literally started fighting each other (right inside the ICC).

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Imagine the reaction of the players if such a thing were done now

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Metzen invented this universe, he is literally the father of it. But that doesn't mean he was a good writer for this storyline in this universe

pulsar minnow
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Maybe I’m remembering incorrectly but Legion’s story was pretty well received, also after 8.2 all I saw everywhere was just hype that we were finally gonna go to Argus

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And either way, Metzen isn’t exactly a writer now. He’s just an advisor.

sleek solar
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And it shows xD

sleek solar
harsh mason
# sleek solar Legion, then left

I have already written that there was a Sargerit keystone in the legion, which: 1) killed the storyline up to 8.2. 2) killed the entire story arc with 3 legion invasions in general. From the point of view of the plot, Legion was not the best example

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Who does not remember, I explain the essence: according to the plot, the Legion could not fully invade Azeroth because Sargeras could not use Sargerit Keystone (this was the key to all worlds according to muti). But suddenly Illidan was able to use it.... The developers themselves later said that they forgot about Sargerit keystone in the process of writing the plot for patches

short prism
harsh mason
rain cave
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the issue was production

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not concept

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meanwhile shadowlands had both as an issue

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💀

harsh mason
rain cave
harsh mason
rain cave
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dayum

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they're on my list of potential studios I'd like to work at

harsh mason
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10.2- final patch, there will be only 3 raids in DF

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Sorry

rain cave
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how are you so sure :p

crystal pond
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Metzen not the only person who writed wow stories lol
So when you telling that he wrote good plots just remember he was not the only one who was working on a good plot
DF not the best at writing – there are plots that pops out of nowhere/doesn't make any sense
And when people saying "but when he quited everything goes bad"
Blizzard start experiment some stuff
BFA went bad becauss there was so much of everything that workers start being confused wtf they must do
And Shadowlands went bad because its realise dropped right into drama with company

harsh mason
# crystal pond Metzen not the only person who writed wow stories lol So when you telling that h...

Well, he's supposed to be watching, right? Considering he's like the creator of this universe. I realize that everything about the plot is more of a question for Afrasiabi, but as I wrote, the Grommash forgiveness moment and the Sargerit Keystone moment are fundamental plot holes (and while the Grommash moment is just stupid, the Sargerit Keystone created a huge plot hole that affects the story since the War of the Ancients). And that's what Metzen should have followed up on. And these are the moments for which Metzen, as the creator of the universe, is responsible. But there's literally a cult of personality around him.

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And if you look at the details in the plot itself, in every expansion( except probably Pandaria) the plot is very weak.

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Man, think of the plot in the Call of the Crusade patch.

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Remember this cringe appearance of Arthas at the tournament and his dialogues with Tirion

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Remember bс where the sudden and "genius" twist c Kael'thas that: HAHAHAHA, Illidan was my tool, I've been working on KJ all this time.

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This moment is exactly the same as KT in SL by the way

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about how they killed and resurrected( and then killed Kael again in Bс

crystal pond
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I still remember the whole plot with Thrall marrying Aggra 🙈

harsh mason
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About how the alliance and horde started fighting each other right during the ICC siege, do I need to be reminded?

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Imagine people's reactions now if they do a raid where there's a tournament, where Iridikron flies in, exchanges a couple of pathos phrases with Alex, and flies out.

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And this was in the expansion, which a lot of people really think is the best.

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Personally, to me, it's hypocrisy and a cult of personality

harsh mason
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And I'm not writing this to say that everything was bad then and it's perfect now. I'm saying that in general not much has changed (except that now the community's demands for the game are much higher than before).

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And yes, 10.1.7 is coming out on Sept. 5

deep pawn
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One week later than I'd like, makes th October timeline tight unless this patch is only 5 weeks

pulsar minnow
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Honestly I’m still pretty confident dragonflights gonna have a 10.3 even with a sept 5 10.1.7

deep pawn
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10/17 patch and 10/24 season would require the raid to be Aberrus levels of difficult. I suppose they could save the season post Blizzcon but that would still mess up the RWF types

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I just see a season starting 2 weeks after Blizzcon, a whole month later than 10/17 or 10/24 just making the potential schedule too much.

harsh mason
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    • a couple weeks
deep pawn
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They've been working on the exact same schedule as season 1. This PTR just came up a week earlier

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Only way they clearly avoid a lot of scheduling conflicts is if they some how deliver 10.2 a week earlier. But the roadmap has never had 10.2.5 for this year so odds are they'll let let that slip

harsh mason
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It's also worth considering when it came out. The two biggest expansions, legion and bfa, came out not at the end of the year, but in late and mid summer.

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and 8.3, for example, came out half a year before BfA itself.

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So even if 10.3 comes out in April, you have to take into account that DF itself came out in the last days of November

deep pawn
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Legion came out in summer cause they abandoned WoD after initial negative reactions. DF didn't have that.

pulsar minnow
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I can see them pushing back the next expansions release honestly. As long as the game is getting consistent updates I don’t really care when the expansion is

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And their content cadence has been pretty solid

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(Though I personally rlly want 10.2 sooner than later for a new m+ season I’m fully geared and out of things to grind except my legendary)

harsh mason
deep pawn
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I think there's no way corporate leadership lets them not have an expansion out before the big 20th anniversary

harsh mason
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Of course if they release the next expansion at the end of summer, there can't physically be any 10.3

deep pawn
harsh mason
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I'm writing about the fact that the last bfA patch came out 1.5 years after the release of BfA

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And if there has already been such a precedent, that means anything can happen. The last Wrath patch was released on the 10th of June( even though it was super small).

deep pawn
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And BFA was a 26/27 month expansion as a result. They do that with DF and that's a 2025 expansion and I don't know if that happens

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There was still 8 months between the last patch and the next expansion which is about their minimum dev time.

harsh mason
deep pawn
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I just don't buy them being okay with January 2025

dense plover
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i still see 10.3 in march/april and 11.0 in november

harsh mason
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And now to the serious questions: is this a spoiler?

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deep pawn
dense plover
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i said march/april

deep pawn
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Based on their current semi-strict schedule if 10.2 came out 10/17 a theoretical 10.3 would but 4/2/2024 which barely squeezes in 8 months before Christmas.

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But delay that 3 weeks for Blizzcon and Christmas, you fall down to 7 months.

dense plover
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10.2 could come out a week earlier

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really depends on how soon we get ptr and how polished it is

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once 10.1.7 is released, we should get a new roadmap which will either confirm 10.3 or confirm we are moving expacs

deep pawn
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I don't think we get the 2024 roadmap until Blizzcon

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My last theory is they paced this expansion out before Blizzcon was confirmed. Blizzcon news came very very late all things considered. Maybe they just release content ignoring it

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a no Blizzcon world where they don't announce the expansion until May of 2024 again the pacing doesn't matter at all.

silent urchin
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Expansion announcement will definitely be blizzcon. 10.2.5/7 or 10.3 announcements might be earlier, depending on whether they want to do both at blizzcon or not

dense plover
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^^^

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they might do a 30 min youtube video like they did with 8.3

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especially if 10.3 is less connected to 11.0 than 10.2 is

short prism
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With the patch cadence we’ve had, we’re bound for a 10.3 i think. Im hoping they’ll utilize 10.3.5 (and/or 10.3.7) as a time to build us up more into the next expansion.

harsh mason
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Although as for me, 8.3 still looks like it shouldn't have been and they stuffed into one patch what should have been the whole expansion

dense plover
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new 10.1.7 vendor build

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new build probably tomorrow

frail jolt
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Like S3 in November/holidays with a Xpac announcement at Blizzcon with a summer/fall release if it follows previous cadences

harsh mason
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At this point I still believe we'll have some content in the new location after cycle 10.2, as we have one location listed among the places where Tyr's hammer ability works, but we haven't been there

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Uldaz

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It would be weird to make a hammer whose ability works in a place we won't visit

silent urchin
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realms down, both the 10.1.7 and 10.1.5 ones

dense plover
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no chance we get a 10.2 build yet

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hasnt even gone to vendor

short prism
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we don’t ever go to that door in the new uldaman dungeon right

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that huge one at the end behind deios

crystal pond
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Isnt it just like a background?

dense plover
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pretty sure that door is from the old dungeon?

short prism
short prism
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okay it’s a little more grand than i remembered…hrmm

upper pasture
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In the old version wasn’t that just the loot room after the last boss or was it after a quest? It’s been so long

crystal pond
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This can be just a fancy background
And if there is something it will be in quest with Tyr but i think that next quests with Tyr will be on dragon isles only

upper pasture
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Iirc you killed the boss and that door opened there was a stone chest and the disks just chilling

short prism
short prism
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I didn’t even see that there lol

vernal juniper
short prism
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maybe there’ll be something there for him. It just always stuck out to me since deios’ fight doesn’t even take place on the floor in there

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we only fight him on the balcony overlooking it

dense plover
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like - i expect 10.2 in october

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why would 10.2 be SO late?

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that would be crazy

vernal juniper
dense plover
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yes

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1000%

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otherwise 10.1 lasts WAY too long

vernal juniper
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I was assuming it after

dense plover
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this is extremely likely to be the schedule if they continue patch cadence

vernal juniper
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well if it will be october, ptr shoul be up in days/week

dense plover
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10.2.5 might be a week early or later

vernal juniper
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cause 10.2 will be longer

dense plover
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MAYBE the week after but i expect it next week

vernal juniper
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cant we see from the patchsniffer is something is going to change in ptr 10.1.5

harsh mason
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I think that ptr 10.2 will start two weeks before the release of 10.1.7. At least that was the case with ptr 10.1dracthyr_hehe

crystal pond
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Yeah 10.2 ptr will be probably on last week of August or first week of September

dense plover
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i bet it starts sooner

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10.1.7 is pretty minor all things considered

silent urchin
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patch is out

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I think

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bnet client being weird

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oh it's trying to download d4 patch too or some bullshit and both are waiting for each other

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oh apparently the update agent doesn't close when you close the app, you've got to go kill that manually to restart it

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Servers up already, too

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this now has a proper price

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dense plover
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"Minimap tracking for Tuskarr Tackleboxes can be toggled with Find Fish." actual best change

dense plover
silent urchin
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It seems like there's only the one weekly for that currency

dense plover
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oh

silent urchin
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so uh

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not very effective

dense plover
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maybe it will have a drop chance from the boss or events?

silent urchin
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Maybe/ Haven't seen it so far

dense plover
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well right now - the fire portals are nearly impossible to complete

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mobs dont spawn enough

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so idk what those reward

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hopefully the skybox works

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my character copy is STILL broken 😦

silent urchin
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you mean the public event?

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there's always seemed to be plenty of mobs

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just way too damn many required

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ok they buffed the boss for the event

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Ah, collecting dreamsurge now only gives fragments rather than full whelpling crests

dense plover
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this is such a pita - half the issues i reported in the FIRST build are still in this

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what the fuck are they actually fixing?

silent urchin
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v0v it's ptr, finishing off the content may well take priority over bugs

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100 is actually quite a lot of coalescence

silent urchin
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Oh, hallows end ended on ptr

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no brewfest yet

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There's a new "Arcane Forge" next to the place you make crafting orders

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doesn't seem to do anything yet

deep pawn
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The turbulent timeways schedule on ptr is a tad confusing

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it's a week later than I'd expect for the "schedule" and would mean season 3 starts 10/28

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There's absolutely 0 chance they want RWF during Blizzcon

dense plover
deep pawn
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Just going off last season where Turbulent timeways was in the preseason week

dense plover
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or turbulent timeways could last an extra week

deep pawn
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they don't let us get heroic loot week 1

little hound
plain violet
vernal juniper
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about 10.2

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remember patchs went live on fridays this expantion, on ptr

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if I'm not mistaken

short prism
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the style on that is very interesting and specific feeling, kinda dranei-y but maybe something else??

uncut vault
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It's a draenei asset from the vindicaar, definitely just reused in that regard

vernal juniper
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it looks like a teleport, haven't the patch 10.1.7 a rework for dreanei starting zone?

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I remember I read something about them

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oh nvm, was the eredar skin, it must be related

silent urchin
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model is almost certainly a placeholder

short prism
mossy meteor
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Might be related to tyr

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Since one questline is about reforging him

sleek solar
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Do we know anything about the Manari questline already?

silent urchin
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Not really. I think there were a few potential scenario steps datamined, but that's about it

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nvm I think that was just heritage armours, not manari

vernal juniper
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so everything make sense

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10.2 announce on 23 of this month, "live on ptr TODAY" announced at Gamescon

warm topaz
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i think 23 is a bit late, could be 23 ofc

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but 2 month of PTR

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very tight dates

harsh mason
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10.1 started testing on March 8, and was released on May 2. So if hypothetically the release date of 10.2 is October 17, then on August 23, ptr can easily

short prism
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with 10.2 in october do you still think it’ll be the last major patch of the expac

sleek solar
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I hope we go to the next xpac real quick

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Even though I like DF, I cant seem te get hooked

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Talk about the shitty lore all you want, but even BFA and SL had me hooked

pulsar minnow
pulsar minnow
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like we were more hooked on the story there because we didn't really understand it and wanted really badly to understand it. Dragonflight’s story has been very straight forward, for better or for worse.

short prism
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I think we're guaranteed 10.3 at this rate

pulsar minnow
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its been pretty obvious since the expansion launched that we were gonna get a dream related zone and an underground zone

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I think it could be awesome if the final zone is like a giga ulduar

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Imagine dragonriding through something like this (albeit with more nature and modern titan aesthetics)

sleek solar
rain cave
harsh mason
harsh mason
# pulsar minnow

To make the Ulduar they had to completely sacrifice the first tiers (copy the Naxx and make 2 raids just with two dragons lol). In other words, it sounds cool, but given the fact that there will be a new zone in 10.2, there is simply no time to create something like this

pulsar minnow
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And let’s keep in mind Argus happened

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Like they could totally do another zone. All im saying is a Titan facility for a zone could be sick especially considering what we’ve heard about some sort of disconnected Earthen Dwarf society

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And it’s definitely do-able

harsh mason
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The team has size, yes. Well, that's why we get at least 1-2 locations in the new patches (there was almost no such thing before pandaria (in bc and cata there were 2 micro locations meter by meter)

rain cave
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titan facility would also potentially be easier to make at a larger scale

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no skybox, limited draw distance, can reuse assets for the tunnels

rain cave
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ik they do handpainted textures, and that's a workflow that takes longer but I'm not convinced they don't use ANY modern tools

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e.g. VFX textures are probably created in substance designer in at least some part

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I know they've definetly updated how they make environments in atleast some modern ways

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e.g. the use of flowmaps in skyboxes

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and how they were working on tech to load in the caves as you fly in

short prism
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there is just no way they’ve done what they’ve done on an unupdated/maintained engine lol

short prism
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since we got the Uldaz tease on that weapon

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If the next expac lead in is gonna be some like, void based or old god influenced storyline i could see us finding out all about that stuff in an old massive titan facility, possibly w/ the tie into the fabled “western seas continent”, perhaps

rain cave
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I just had a mental image of the order realm having a giant coliseum to test out if their new constructs are viable/ refine them

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odyn and thorim had them

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and it would line up with their visuals

deep pawn
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I'm interested in Blizzcon but I'll be so disappointed in no 10.3

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The expansion would instantly go down to WoD and Shadowlands quality for me.

subtle oar
ember blaze
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not even on the same universe

uncut vault
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because they added Uldaz to the weapon as a joke because it wouldn't actually be useful in current content for those places

deep pawn
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I'm sorry, but Zaralek, Time Rifts, and dream surges won't make up for no 4th raid or any new non mega dungeons.

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A 10 boss Amirdrassil would just be this expac ending on a whimper

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Good promise, but they couldn't deliver an end.

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Just like WoD

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Like 10 boss Amirdrassil would make this the expac with the least number of raid boss encounters ever. You don't want that title taken from WoD

ember blaze
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as a raider i would not care if we got a fated season again

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and im sure the casuals like the world content

upper pasture
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i'd be surprised if we don't see a "fated" season again tbh. it seems like a nice way to recap an entire expansion

ember blaze
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dungeons have also been satisfying for me. I get to see old dungeons I never played before as someone who started this game in 7.3

dusk flame
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whats the update for? are going to get lvl 60?

austere gazelle
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Fated season can come with a new raid. You can play it normal and then the 10.x.7 add the fated stuff for all other raids.

We will get a 10.4 anyway and there will be a new raid cause the story needs to end up with kaz algar and the other stuff underneath the earth " you'll follow him to the deep places. Black water will flows in its wake "

rain cave
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I mean I'd be down for a fated season if they also expanded it

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e.g. getting some other older raids in

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with new affixes/mechanics

rain cave
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could be fun if they started theming any fated stuff they did

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e.g. old god fated season would have all the old god raids in it

cosmic beacon
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Would be cool to to that and see more rewards

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we got easier acquisition of loot, a mount and a title + portals if ur a mythic CE person

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Maybe some mogs or other rewards tied to fated

harsh mason
austere gazelle
upper pasture
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I mean, we did follow him underground and then dealt with the corruption of galakrond in the mega dungeon.

subtle oar
upper pasture
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yes but it's not like we didn't see it for those lines to be not fulfilled at least at a bare minimum.

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and i'm pretty sure the second time you go past the blight boss chromie says she will handle it while we take care of the mobs that spawn in the back of the room.

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but yes Iridikron did impower that thing and we will have to deal with whatever that leads to too

austere gazelle
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We did not deal with it, iridikron stome galakrond's essence. So clearly there is another stuff that'lm come into play

upper pasture
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we did deal with it, we however did not finishing dealing with it. i don't see how this is that hard to understand

subtle oar
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We did until Chromie turned back time to save Nozdormu

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Thats the plot of the dungeon

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We sacrificed stopping Iridikron to save Nozdormu

upper pasture
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yes but the blight of galakrond fight still happens since that would have taken place before we confronted Iridikron, except in the second time around we dealt with the adds while chromie did whatever it was she needed to do to handle it. and yes instead of us stopping Iridikron we save Noz. we still dealt with the blight even if this is just the first part of it. i'm not saying it's all said and done tightly packed away and finished but it made an appearance which for "the black waters will flow" seems like it checks the box for that prophecy

harsh mason
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That is, there are a billion reasons why he can become a Murozond

short prism
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those are the “black waters”, or atleast what the other guy is saying

upper pasture
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yes but it's the common assumption right now is "black waters" = "galakronds blood" which is the whole reason iridikron wanted to go back in time and get it. he wants to weaponize it somehow. and as for the original waters galakronds blood is the only known place that the titans haven't "purified" it since that water flows down from tyrhold and into the ruby life pools and we see no baby galakronds popping out.

crystal pond
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It would be cool if Iridikron used the artifact to corrupt waters, and not use it only for himself

harsh mason
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He needs the artifact to provoke the Titans.

short prism
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wait lol

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that’s actually so true

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it doesn’t just say “black waters will flow” but “black waters will flow in it’s wake” so after the fact

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and the primalists were trying to save as many eggs as they could during the ruby dungeon, maybe that’s another reason besides titan corruption that they wanted to save those eggs

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could they feasibly be doing that so the dragons and a bunch of their hatchlings get void/decay corrupted and get the endless hunger like galakrond?? with iridikron being at the heart of it becoming the big boy dragon

crystal pond
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black dragonflight BSoD

short prism
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oh! oh! and that could give vuranoth the wake up call she might get to stand against iridikron (not necessarily become our ally but) since he would be doing the same thing that turned her against the titans and their dragons

rain cave
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wrathion's going to have fun trying to stretch that legendary corruption resistant cape of his over all of dragonkind

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speaking of corruptions I'm now imagining a similar system that uses multiple cosmology parts

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e.g. equipping a void one means you have to balance it out with a light, order or death one

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as messy as they were, the actual gaameplay during corruptions era was fun imo, and I want to imagine a world where, for example, my fire mage could completely shadowflame out with lava and void

crystal pond
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Shadowflame mage 🤤

sleek solar
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Yeah I hope new specs are coming

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Or variations

harsh mason
sleek solar
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Nope

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But one can hope

harsh mason
rain cave
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imagine path of the titans but for every cosmology

rain cave
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this system is basically just those, but more tailored to a cosmology setting

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doesn't have to be much either

harsh mason
rain cave
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no corruptions were enabled

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in raids

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dungeons

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pvp

subtle oar
crystal pond
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Actually
Corruption most of the time was really annoying in pvp/pve not only for your enemies but also for yourself and allies

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Especially when it starting spam debuffs

rain cave
deep pawn
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Fated to me just isn't new content, it's them making old content last longer because they can't deliver new stuff. Fated only exists cause 2 devs can handle it while they work on the new expansion. It doesn't replace content.

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Maybe they need to go back to making sure two tiers of raiding are ready to go at launch.

subtle oar
rain cave
harsh mason
deep pawn
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Given that minimal amount of people saw it while it was current content, I'm fine with it.

subtle oar
ember blaze
deep pawn
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As a one time thing it was alright but I wouldn't want it to be their answer to every 11 month final patch

rain cave
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and doesn't even mention spec

ember blaze
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fast season, lots of free power

deep pawn
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fated m+ was mostly fun cause of the affix

harsh mason
harsh mason
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hmmmmmm

dense plover
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pretty likely to be details on 10.2

silent urchin
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that seems likely

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that's normally the sort of thing these are

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unless it's a bigger preview of 10.1.7 but I'd expect that to be explicitly called out rather than mysterious

silent urchin
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oh, there were specific 10.1.7 blogs on weds/thurs

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so def 10.2

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maybe even PTR given its a tuesday

obtuse vine
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I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the Classic Hardcore preview rather than 10.2

subtle oar
obtuse vine
subtle oar
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Why.... what an absolute let down

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There's no need for this, the realms come out later this month, there are countless blue posts already detailing everything the Hardcore realms offer

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Ugh, fucking Blizzard. Ofc it couldn't be a preview for 10.2 with the real presentation at GamesCon

rain cave
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I mean it's just a little podcast?

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I feel you got yourself hyped up lmao

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they've never really announced anything on random little wowcast things

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and it seems like a good spot to have these little developer chats about smaller details that would be out of place in big showcases

silent urchin
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I was wondering a bit if it was classic

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it's kinda dumb they don't specify

harsh mason
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If they show something at gamescom, there will definitely be no announcement of 10.2 tomorrow. Most likely there will be a trailer 10.1.7

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It's just that the very name "developer update" hints that we are talking about something that is in development

warm topaz
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there are always reasons to make chats like that

deep pawn
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I'm still compiuming for PTR, but based on likely post Blizzcon release it won't be for a couple weeks

mossy meteor
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i doubt there's anything blizzard will announce at gamescon

pulsar minnow
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i mean, i know it was a while ago but they DID announce an expansion at gamescom one time

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and didnt they announce shadowlands' release date at gamescom too?

deep pawn
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it was Legion after the debacle that was WoD

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they had to announce it 3 months early or playerbase was gonna crumble

subtle oar
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This is a WoW CM.

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That's pretty much about as official a hint we a can get

rain cave
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that was a fun easter egg

harsh mason
#

It's still sad because they killed the entire iron hord in one starting patch. Like, there are a lot of cool unrealized concepts that can be used now (for example, "iron gnoles"

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Or "living cannon"

rain cave
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tbf these don't really make much sense

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gnolls aren't from draenor and garrosh was against fel

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WoD was cursed because the entire plot of the expansion being "orcs from alternate draenor are threatening azeroth" got resolved literally in the first 5 minutes of the expansion intro

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we went in and destroyed the portal (which was a questionable choice anyway)

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if we were able to port back to azeroth without the dark portal we genuinely could have just gone "aight peace" and left

harsh mason
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It was planned that Garrosh had to collect races from Azeroth that were oppressed (Gnolls, Troggs, Kobalts, and so on). And they were supposed to be part of the Orcs from Draenor

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Personally, in my opinion, the idea itself was stupid. But the concept atrs look cool

warm topaz