beta-ptr-spoilers

[plain violet]

@uncut vault If you want to use it. 😁

It's a elven silhouette in the portal as he enter it.

[crystal pond]

Iridikron talked about harbinger again

So i wonder who it can be
A dragon
A naga
Or somebody else

Xalatath maybe?

[dense plover]

gonna go record the cinematic i saw

[plain violet]

Niiice!

And I think that will be Xal'atath.

[crystal pond]

With all respect to the void i am a little bit tired of old gods to be fair

[harsh mason]

Fyrakk final boss 10.2, Iridikron literally spolered it

[dense plover]

https://youtu.be/HlE8rU2VRVw

youtube link which might work

still processing apparently

should work now in SD

[little hound]

As upset as Vyranoth Is, she's going to either.

A) Die, blind to what Iridikron Is willing to do.
B) Die, redeeming herself at the very least.

I can't Imagine her surviving the expansion.

[harsh mason]

Two mothers

[little hound]

Which is rather sad, as she did Indeed seem like a genuinely good dragon.

[dense plover]

HD should be up now too

[plain violet]

Thanks Peach!

[crystal pond]

"The world we once shared is gone"
Damn

Magni when

I really dont understand why with all of this world stuff happening we have zero interactions with azeroth her self

Maybe at the end of the expansion there will be like it was in shadowlands idk but still

[harsh mason]

I don't think so. These are still more local events

At the moment

[glass flicker]

Hello, oh no, Murozond is here.

Frick, somebody call a Titan.

[crystal pond]

Nah we fine

Its different Murozond anyway

[glass flicker]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=g5E6OQDIxwE&feature=share8

Wait. Holy fuck.

So Nozdormu is actually back and Amirdrassil?

FUCK. So much new info.

I can't wait to play this patch.

[harsh mason]

well

fyrakk in 10.2, Iridi in 10.3

[glass flicker]

So, Fyrakk final boss of 10.2, Iridikron probably a second to final boss in 10.3 unless we are given a .5 patch with a single boss raid dedicated to him.

'Cause I doubt they'll do 10.4

And there's no way Iridikron will be the final boss of the expansion.

No way they'll squander Galakrond like that

[silent urchin]

ok there must have been a bunch of quests between megadung and that cutscene

Or maybe not

[crystal pond]

Burning of Teldrasil 2.0?

[harsh mason]

Did you imagine the faces of the night elves?

[crystal pond]

"I didn't think it can be worse than that"

[harsh mason]

Fyrakk:

[tepid fiber]

His entire personality is burning things, he can't be alive if you want a new tree

Do you want nelf refugees? Because that's how you get nelf refugees

[crystal pond]

I have feeling that people will call new world tree still Teldrasil and not amirdrassil

[tepid fiber]

||Malfurassil||

[obtuse vine]

Idk i have a feeling that fyrakk will be the last boss and iridikron will last for the next expansion hmm

[tepid fiber]

Also how much longer until Illidan gets Tyrande's FB relationship status update notification and texts "u up?"

[obtuse vine]

they said that the final boss of the expansion will be in the raszageth defeat cinematic, so fyrakk would make sense too

[crystal pond]

Nah Fyrakk is 300% is boss of 10.2

[tepid fiber]

I still want it to be Galakrond

[crystal pond]

I mean the Harbringer is also must show up

[crystal pond]

We still have 10.3 lol

[harsh mason]

He definitely won't be, not only was he just a wild beast, but the Incarnations themselves were afraid of him too( well before they became incarnations).

[tepid fiber]

That's why he's the perfect BBEG

I mean think about it--Incarnates start losing, decide to go scorched-earth

Or rather, in this case, not-alive scorched-earth

He can't be reasoned with, he's practically a(n) (un)natural disaster, and it would be a massive middle-finger to the winning army that they see as traitors and kinslayers

[crystal pond]

Oh btw is augmentation evoker questline got something new?

[harsh mason]

From the cinematics with Vyranoth, I can conclude so far that each of the incarnations joined Iridikron with their own goals. Fyrakk is interested in strength and strength, and do Vyranoth have offspring?

I understand that the titansforged took her offspring

[crystal pond]

Probably they all joined Iridikron because "what a titans doing?" Thing
They all wanted to be free but was forced to follow the titans ways and its pissed them of very much

I hope new book will show all sides of the conflict

Oh yeah also
All prepare for the new nightsong for 10.2

[dense plover]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23970955/new-auction-house-update-on-the-wow-companion-app

[young latch]

Are the nax sets craftable now or was that just speculation/removed?

[silent urchin]

Not 100% known

still being discovered

the secret finding discord has got the first ancient recipes, though

[young latch]

oh what did they find?

[silent urchin]

There's a few steps to do, then it seems like it's going to be a lot of weekly naxx farming

The old scholo stuff was the first part, I'm pretty sure neryssa is furiously typing up the steps that come after that

https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-enter-old-scholomance-farm-once-removed-transmog-items-333981

[silent urchin]

oh looks like they unlocked the vendor for it all

not sure all the steps, I'm sure there's gonna be a write up soonish

Hmm, may not be 100% solved actually

[deep pawn]

It's up, it's expensive

2.6 million gold per set

They really are just doing cata over again lol

Vault and Aberrus are bastion and blackrock, the tree will be firelands/hyjal

Watch the missing Firelord show there mind controlled or even Ragnaros reborn

And then 10.3 is Dragon Soul 2.0 in Valdrakken with the void helping Iridikron attack

[austere gazelle]

oh please, not the tropes of " Fire Elemental wants to burn the tree " again 😦

[harsh mason]

I don't think we Iridikron will attack anything. Chromie suggests that he is sort of "out" of these events, and he personally says he will wait for the titans( well more likely meaning titansforged) to come for the artifact he took away

[glass flicker]

Quick, look to the western skybox. As soon as that red glow in the sky disappears, we are screwed.

[harsh mason]

Most likely the attack on the new world tree also carries the purpose of simply provoking titansforged.

[harsh mason]

I think it will be exactly like the hyjal's defense in War 3

At least that's what I'd like to do.

Only I sincerely hope that in terms of structure it will not be like a BC raid (please)

[deep pawn]

We have a new zone

I swear if it's the molten front even if I loved that place

[harsh mason]

Molten front was boring for me. A small location and almost empty.

Like Korthia, but 2 times worse

[deep pawn]

I liked the slowly unlock it aspect

[tepid fiber]

@trim zinc @hidden lintel https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-fractures-in-time-ptr-development-notes/1587226/10

[deep pawn]

I want to see how they lead us to Amirdrassil

[harsh mason]

10.1.7 will most likely have content related to this

[harsh mason]

I wonder if Fyrakk toe kill a few million fireflies( NE souls).🤔

Like Archimond

[austere gazelle]

Ok so I see the stuff clearer now. We had two choice. Either saving Nozdormu from becoming Murozond OR preventing Iridikron stealing Galakrond essence.
We did the first, but we saw the infinite future, then Chromie went back in time to stop the birth of Murozond, but let Iridikron go with the essence of Galakrond
In the end , I think Nozdormu will sacrifice himself by becoming Murozond to make us stop Iridikron. He kept an artifact that allows him to go back fast backward in time to a precise point...
That's how the " Void will trick Nozdormu into becoming Murozond " , and suvbert his own death in Iridikron's future

[rustic mountain]

Are we about to have queen Azshara make her comeback? With this new aquatic themed mount just released, the store transmog set revealed a couple months ago pretty much being a pirate and all the naga scriptures talking about an uprising for their queen it seems like a very possibly thing?

[dense plover]

no chance

weve had naga present in some form too much and it hasnt been long enough

azshara is 100% going to be a 'break glass in case of sub loss'

also the mount we got is a koi/goldfish

those are not ocean animals

and i think the store set is just that - a store set

it was too early to be expac armor

i think we are looking at another lost continent/unknown lands type expansion

dragon isles was hidden but has been a semi-known factor since before wow even released

i think next expac might be japanese thematically in the same way mists was chinese

[upper pasture]

i mean, there's a chance

[tepid fiber]

She's really good at being an ancillary antagonist, really

Or at the very least a "natural disaster" tier Saturday morning cartoon villain

[dense plover]

sure but i dont see us going there from dragonflight

they need truly new stuff

hidden/unknown lands are best for that

and sure xalatath is probably coming back/influencing iridikron, but thats probably supposed to parallel neltharion being corrupted by the old gods

i dont think the xalatath stuff is for next expac

i think thats a this expac thing

we still have TWO major patches

[upper pasture]

i agree but i wouldn't say there's no chance of Azshara comeback expansion. they said they were moving to new chapters of WoW lore and pulling out old bosses isn't moving to the next chapter tbh

[dense plover]

thats kinda my point

especially since azshara is still fresh in the mind for lots of people

BfA wasnt that long ago

and its still the main leveling experience

which i think you can even level in naz theoretically

at least a bit?

[tepid fiber]

Very true, but to play devil's advocate she also makes a good "grounding force" to apply to the setting. Her and the naga have been such an observable force that just being around as a secondary or ancillary antagonist helps tie in to the Warcraft setting in general--the issue is exposure balance though, since like you said she was a major plot device in a recent expansion

[dense plover]

yeah without the horde alliance conflict, the next expac would need SOME grounding element

theres a couple options tho, including the naga

old gods ofc

titans (probably not due to their presence this expac)

technically still alliance conflict if turalyon stays in charge

or it could be the opposite

a hidden nation suddenly launches an all out assault on both factions

catching them off guard

maybe even disguised as the other faction to set off a new faction conflict

at least temporarily

would allow the government of each faction to be a more present and grounding force

than in the past few

or maybe something khadgar related

he is back but hasnt been doing ANYTHING

why did they bring him back?

[tepid fiber]

The Scarlet Crusade returning as an antagonistic force is also possible. Plus, with the focus of adventurers and heroes and major players of Azeroth being relatively occupied somewhere else it opens up opportunities for "the mice at play while the cat's away" type of situation

[dense plover]

arent the scarlet crusade really weak?

like - no members?

[tepid fiber]

We've seen them referenced in those propaganda letters back during the end of BFA. Sure, the old leadership is gone, but there are some survivors from the rank and file for sure

And it's a lot more difficult to kill off an ideology or movement

"The _____ will rise again" vibes

[dense plover]

idk

would be meaningless for a lot of newer players

[tepid fiber]

You're not wrong

But I think the prevalence of Arthas fanboys still demanding the war criminal's redemption arc for so agonizingly long is a counterpoint

[short prism]

i think it would be cool as a new-ish player

i started playing in bfa :3! the scarlet crusade pamphlets led me to read more about them and do some of the quests relating to them

[subtle oar]

Exploring Northrend shows that there is major activity with the Scarlets, with countless ships coming and going from their keep

[austere gazelle]

There is a prophecy saying that when the Harbinger will trigger the awakening, Azshara will rule the world , so imo she's soon to make a comeback

[deep pawn]

patch reveal day woo

I hope they tell us 10.2 at the same time cause they are both coming out in the next 3 months

[dense plover]

what?

[deep pawn]

there's an in development announcement today

and encrypted 10.1.7

[dense plover]

there is?

[deep pawn]

yeah

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23978155/this-week-in-wow-july-10-2023

was on their calendar

July 13
(Event) Luminous Luminaries Micro-Holiday
(Article) In Development

[plain violet]

Niiiiice.

[dense plover]

nice

doubt theyll announce 10.2 in an article tho

[deep pawn]

I know, but I have dreams cause I really hope 10.2 is out in October

[upper pasture]

don't we need an 10.1.7 announcement first tho?

[deep pawn]

That's why I want both at one time

[ionic terrace]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23970956/in-development-fury-incarnate

[deep pawn]

new timeline

still has 10.1.7 in the fall

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/cd/CDEVW0UZPY5G1689267803632.png

I really hope 10.2 is october and not november

PTR TODAY

[ember blaze]

Where rogue rework

[mossy meteor]

probably in this patch

[harsh mason]

In my opinion, even in the legion, the content did not come out so often

[dense plover]

disappointed by that armor - as a forsaken main

you literally cant see any of the customization you create for your character

it hides your face

it hides your skin

your hands, and your feet'

they said 5 new skin colors - whats the point if the armor fucking covers them?

what a crapshow

never been more disappointed by a heritage set

[uncut vault]

that's literally every heritage set lol

that's kinda how helms work

you can just not use the helm 😛

it's clearly going for the WC3 acolyte vibe, which fits them perfectly and differentiates from the warfront gear and generic lordaeron human armor

[dense plover]

tauren

tauren heritage shows your face

and tattoos

and hair

orc heritage

face, skin color, tattoos

you put two male tauren or orcs in heritage armor and they can look really different

[uncut vault]

the orc helm almost entirely covers their face lol

[dense plover]

that wont be the case here

[uncut vault]

I'm not sure why you'd expect the forsaken heritage to show a bunch of skin when their aesthetics have always had full outfits, with the bone exposure to offset

[dense plover]

but it doesnt hide it in shadow

i hate the fucking rogue hood shadow effect

its a fucking lazy copout

[uncut vault]

the lack of shadow looks atrocious on the human heritage set

this is 100% better than awkward fake lighting

[dense plover]

i would just rather something that fully shows off the face

if i decided to have the no jaw customization, it would just be fully gone

[uncut vault]

We also havent even seen the variants yet, so maybe just wait till then lol

[dense plover]

i see no reason to ever wear a helmet with this set unless i literally want to look generic

[deep pawn]

you can just not use the helm, I never use the void elf or dark iron helms

[dense plover]

its just a waste - the most customizable part of the forsaken are their faces

and they fully covered it up

forsaken dont have much body customization

its all in the face - the pustules or metal nodes, the jaw customization, eyes

and ALL of that is hidden by the helmet

plus it has that nasty wide ridge that all of the hidden face helms have

what garbage

[deep pawn]

it looks forsaken to me

[silent urchin]

May well be various options like some of the other recent ones

and you can always mix and match anyway

[deep pawn]

it'll be colors mostly

And it's not like you don't have the darkshore set to fall back on which is the exact same aesthetic

[uncut vault]

I expect a maskless hood variant and a robe version of the pants are the main things

since it's full acolyte aesthetics

[dense plover]

as long as they do a maskless version im fine

i like the rest

[ember blaze]

is skin colors really all theyre getting? why are night elves getting more options when they have a bajillion already?

[dense plover]

the boots are a bit clunky

but thats not a surprise

[dense plover]

because they dont know what to do with forsaken

[deep pawn]

Night elves could be just getting more hair colors

[dense plover]

"Forsaken will also gain five new skin color variations, and the night elves can adorn themselves with additional choices of face and body tattoos.”"

[ember blaze]

just give them straight back like people have asked for?

[uncut vault]

fem forsaken still not having jawless option is crazy to me

[dense plover]

night elves are getting more tattoos because their heritage set probably shows off tattoos

[deep pawn]

oh, I was hoping they'd expand red eyes for night elves to more faces

[ember blaze]

best they can do is 20 more night elf options

[deep pawn]

watch night elf be their BfA looks

people do want to be that scantily clad after all

[harsh mason]

On the contrary, it seems more logical to me that the undead should cover their rotten body with clothes

[deep pawn]

I am starting to get scared that 10.2 is the last patch

if it comes late November or Early December I just don't see them having enough time to do 10.3 and 11.0 next year

[upper pasture]

it wont be, we have to get the 4 season mounts one for each incarnate. stone next thunder last.

S4 will be like a "best of" dragonflight/community voted dungeons. if i had to wager a guess

[harsh mason]

Not necessarily, 10.3 may just be smaller than the other major patches (or there may not be mini patches).

For example, I am sure that there will definitely be no new location in 10.3, which will shorten the development period by 1.5-2 times

[upper pasture]

yeah season 4 is likely to be a fated raid type scenario which honestly i'm totally fine with that

[dense plover]

why?

10.3 in march/april

10.2 in oct/nov

11.0 in august-nov

[upper pasture]

yeah that makes sense we aren't getting 11.0 until at least the end of next year

or atleast 3/4th the way through

[dense plover]

no earlier than august next year

oct/nov wouldnt surprise me though

release a few weeks before blizzcon

go into 11.1 at blizzcon

this blizzcon will probably be 10.3

MAYBE next expac announce

they could do 10.3 BEFORE blizzcon

like as a video

like they did with 8.3

would only work if 10.3 is disconnected from 11.0

or we already have the final cinematic?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep pawn]

I just think if we get late Nov, Early December for season 3 that would put season 4 if it exists in May

That's why I've been so sure on October and race over before Blizzcon so we get that March/April season 3.

Late November season 3 leading into just a fated season 4 in May is my nightmare scenario

[silent urchin]

any signs of ptr up yet

[dense plover]

nope

theyre on lunch

give it a few hours

[ionic terrace]

well they deleted the 10.1.5 forums so there's a bit a movement lol

[dense plover]

apparently its up serverside

client push needs to happen

[split stump]

Hi all. Where is that Wowhead article about Forsaken tabards?

[dense plover]

uh there isnt one?

im honestly not sure what youre talking about

[split stump]

There were an old article about new forsaken tabards one with the Sylvanas's face and the other with a skull.

I want to see/check if it matches with the new heritage armor.

[dense plover]

search wowhead i guess?

[upper pasture]

One of them is with one of the time rift vendors i believe and that sons of hodir tabard is there too. Although i could be mistaken

[dense plover]

search google?

idk

[split stump]

I tried and didn't find, that's why I'm asking here.

[dense plover]

google - wowhead forsaken tabard

im sure something will come up

[split stump]

Woah, that worked! Google seach is better than Wowhead seach, it seems. Thanks!

[dense plover]

google searches much more broadly

and will ignore pieces of the search

[split stump]

https://www.wowhead.com/pt/news/new-forsaken-tabards-without-sylvanas-shattered-mask-found-in-patch-10-1-331858

[dense plover]

might match - hard to tell

we will need to see the forsaken armor in the model viewer

[split stump]

I hope those tabards come together with the heritage armor.

Also an HD version of the mount would be awesome.

[short prism]

the skull of the desolate council is on the belt buckle of the new armor :3

since it’s a 3D asset instead of a flat decal it had a little bit of translation from the official DC tabard iconography

[deep pawn]

So, wild man guessing here...

With the undead heritage coming....what if Sylvanas returns leading a bunch of the rescued night elf souls to protect Amirdrassil?

Not for good, but for the souls to help us defeat Fyrakk in the same way wisps helped vs Archimonde

[short prism]

i think that’s a little too wild haha

im not sure they’d bring her back so soon

[deep pawn]

Amirdrassil is part Ardenweald after all. The Winter Queen would have an incentive to protect it

I think she could come back any time cause the devs love Patty and Sylvanas is one of the biggest chars ever

We've barely gotten to explore her unified soul state with how shallow warcraft story telling is

[dense plover]

no chance sylvanas returns

her debt is too big

[tepid fiber]

More likely to see Illidan crashing down the moment he sees Tyrande's relationship status changed to single

[dense plover]

^^^

its not even a good guess

honestly its the worst theory ive ever seen from you man

its genuinely bad

[tepid fiber]

One could call it a...

Gamer Theory

[short prism]

i think they’re far more likely to bring her back at some point after anduin comes back

they clearly want the characters to be tied in some way, given how things ended off with sylvanas, so it’s something they gotta save for an occasion like that

[tepid fiber]

Don't get me wrong, Sylvanas's return is possible

But not probable

[short prism]

i mean anything is possible, haha

i think there is going to be something going on with the souls imbued into the world tree

[deep pawn]

I am mostly joking about Sylvanas leading an army of wisps to smother Fyrakk's flames to protect a tree vs burn, but I would love to see the salt

[uncut vault]

I think that the Forsaken need this heritage + some more story to properly establish themselves as independent from Sylvanas as the banshee queen before she can ever come back

I definitely want her to mend that broken bond in the future, but she’s not likely to ever return to them as a leader. So their new council beyond Calia needs the spotlight in the meantime

[deep pawn]

The hallows end refresh has me hopeful the heritage armor re-establishes Undercity

[dense plover]

i kinda dont want them back in the undercity unless theyre gonna revamp it

its way too heavily associated with the plague and sylvanas

unless they get rid of the streams of goo and replace it with water or something

[deep pawn]

I don't see them moving to Lordaeron unless it's a whole Eastern Kingdoms revamp

[tepid fiber]

I've been enjoying the changes since SL to the city ruins. Building up instead of digging back down also feels more thematically appropriate, with them stepping out from under Sylvanas's shadow and reclaiming their Lordaeronian heritage

[dense plover]

^^^

which i dont see them doing

i think this armor is going to be council focused

or history focused

not lordaeron focused

[tepid fiber]

Oh, I mean, they've already made changes to the city ruins

Since SL

[dense plover]

they have

but its still like

not a capital city

ya know?

10.1.7 just got a new vendor build

ptr soon

[tepid fiber]

I still think it's very probable, and they can expand on the influence of the Desolate Council while also building something new and reclaiming what was lost at the same time. Without Sylvanas the Forsaken are missing a chunk of their identity, and the Desolate Council finding a new identity direction--like their heritage pre-banshee--would be thematically appropriate

I don't see them taking back the Undercity at all, but the city ruins at the very least would be interesting to develop

[deep pawn]

Also they won't get a homeland back before the Night Elves do

Both would likely be in the soft world revamp

[uncut vault]

I mean they're not getting rid of the plague 😛

the 9.2.5 questline confirmed that they're still using it, and continuing to integrate it into their reclamation efforts

[tepid fiber]

True, if only because elves are more attractive and beloved by the fanbase and people are more likely to enjoy good things happening to the pretty people first

I mean let's face it, gamers are more often than not very shallow creatures and prefer things to be pretty/have good things happen to pretty things

It's just objectively good business to play on the innate shallowness of people

[subtle oar]

There is pictures of the Heritage armor already floating around because Blizz posted it with their blue post. The armor had the Lordaeron symbol and colors. It is definitely Lordaeron themed

[dense plover]

no it didnt

oh im blind

its on the belt

[subtle oar]

Yup

[dense plover]

boy

this build is taking its sweet time

looks like realm list is back?

but realms are still down

[deep pawn]

has the lava in tyrhold always been this loud

[dense plover]

ptr servers are up

client soon

[plush mortar]

This is needed. They need to reclaim lordaeron. Give them a more fleshed out identity.

[dense plover]

oh wait

mistake

10.1.5 server

not the others

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/c/in-development/fury-incarnate-ptr/297

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-fury-incarnate-ptr-development-notes/1631163

dreamsurges are legion invasions 2.0

"Each week one of the four original zones of the Dragon Isles will be affected by the Dreamsurge. World quests will be focused on this zone, extra activities and weeklies will be active, group rares will have new powers and a chance to drop upgraded gear, and new Waking Dream portals (think invasions) will open across the zone."

no draenei because 'bug'

aka manari skin colors 😉

so the velen quest and the dreamsurges are the major features today

build is out

its the 10.1.0 ptr

catalog isnt updated yet

[deep pawn]

there it goes

I'm updating

[dense plover]

I FUCKING CALLED IT

[plush mortar]

Hope we can get some spikes. Awesome tanks incoming

[tepid fiber]

The edgelords won yet another battle 😩

[dense plover]

i wanted it too

it makes sense

[mossy meteor]

50442

[deep pawn]

1.74gb, pretty chunky

[dense plover]

realms are up

oh no

character copy is broken

[silent urchin]

worked for me

other than I don't ahve up to date account data cause this used to be 10.1 :(

[dense plover]

theres a no mask version

[deep pawn]

All that anger... for nothing

[dense plover]

i still dont love it but at least its usable

i dont understand why they dont use the new hood style

the vagabond ones use it

[mossy meteor]

ah so it's a catchup system

thats cool

[warm topaz]

like forbidden reach

[warm topaz]

and more deterministic?

[mossy meteor]

yep

hopefully less RNG

wonder how many can you get

[warm topaz]

it says gear of your choosing

so its a vendor

seems good to me

[mossy meteor]

yeah yeah

i mean like

how many can you get per day/week

[silent urchin]

both of these quests give one

[mossy meteor]

[warm topaz]

oh in terms of drop

oh yeah

[silent urchin]

and I assume they're weekly

[mossy meteor]

hmm

[deep pawn]

I wonder if there's any class changes datamined yet

[mossy meteor]

so 2 per week per character

[silent urchin]

oh

[mossy meteor]

that's not bad

[deep pawn]

ugh, this is gonna be comparing to the 10.1 build isn't it

[mossy meteor]

you can use it to level?

[silent urchin]

not seeing much else immediately

other than the non dreamsurge zones seem to lack dailies

[subtle oar]

I wonder if all the new customizations will only be for Nelves and Forsaken

[silent urchin]

I got 10/100 essence from 1 world quest

[dense plover]

oh so its 100% legion invasions

[silent urchin]

these are the two buff options right now

[mossy meteor]

world chiller

[warm topaz]

magical broom as a mount

a dream

[silent urchin]

oh hang on

there are LOADS of new rares

wait most of these are old

[harsh mason]

A new reason to live

[dense plover]

they should have new abilities

[silent urchin]

they have 8m hp but none seem to be "empowered"

[harsh mason]

Is it like location-wide buffs?

[silent urchin]

seems to be zone wide

[dense plover]

yes

its like legion assaults

how that would rotate zones

needs a skybox and some music

[warm topaz]

some emerald dream music

damn

i need that

[silent urchin]

I think world server may have died

[dense plover]

without being able to copy my character i cant really test

[silent urchin]

DCd and taking an age to log back in

[dense plover]

maybe theyre fixing character copy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/921048441604436008/1129195664316829697/8cca71207c379057bc1d1c225fb41085.mp4

[deep pawn]

PERMANENT BROOM

[silent urchin]

unless it doesn't like where I mounted my dragon or something

can't get back in

[warm topaz]

omg

[silent urchin]

oh ok

[warm topaz]

its the most league thing i have ever thing outside league

[rain cave]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/manari-eredar-customization-for-draenei-characters-coming-in-patch-10-1-7-334036

we are so back

[dense plover]

azure worldchiller

its the deathwing event recolor

[warm topaz]

its so cool

dude, that mount is in the game since Legion

[deep pawn]

yeah

[warm topaz]

curious to see where they are going to use it

[silent urchin]

these are the rare drops

[deep pawn]

so there's the random drops and then two you pick directly

[warm topaz]

there are some really cool icons

[deep pawn]

ooo

so it is the mostly naked set

[tepid fiber]

Where's the nelfkini that we were promised, this is ridiculous

[dense plover]

i mean

this is definitely missing parts

it has no boots or helmet or back piece

[tepid fiber]

I would have accepted them pulling the Warden ripcord

[warm topaz]

its obviously WIP

[subtle oar]

Nelves eating good for their Heritage set

[dense plover]

i mean, not neccesarily

[subtle oar]

Forsaken kinda shafted

[dense plover]

this is WMOs shoved together in a model viewer

for all we know, all the pieces are in game

[subtle oar]

I hope 10.2.5/7 has Panda heritage and Panda Druids

[warm topaz]

i would like to see the big turtle for the panda heritage

[novel zodiac]

who's still missing the heritage armor?

i think they'll do vanilla and tbc races first, then pandas

[tepid fiber]

@subtle oarYou know why...

[subtle oar]

Troll, Draenei and Pandas

[subtle oar]

Blizzard doesn't differeniate the raced based on xpac.

[silent urchin]

Well event started

was druid of the flame themed

server crashed again

[subtle oar]

Panda, Troll, Tauren, Nelves/Belves, Goblin, Worgen, Human, Orcs, Forsaken, Draenei, Dwarf, Gnome are called Core Races by Blizzard

[deep pawn]

And Dracthyr fall under that too but pretty much everything right now is our heritage

[novel zodiac]

i mean, if those are the only ones left, the most logically thing to do would be; troll and draenei heritage for 10.2.5/7, then pandas

[harsh mason]

Cool

[subtle oar]

Why? Why would that be the "logical" solution?

[novel zodiac]

because pandaren are a "neutral" race?

[tepid fiber]

I demand that goblins have as many customization options as elves, this anti-goblin bigotry must end 🙏

[subtle oar]

They are a Core Race

[plush mortar]

Humans and orcs are the only core races.

[tepid fiber]

As in races available by default, not nostalgia RTS races

[novel zodiac]

just saying, if they have to do one heritage quest alone in a patch, pandaren makes the most sense

[silent urchin]

world server crash killed the event :(

[deep pawn]

my server is still up, but our event doesn't start til 0:30

[silent urchin]

it's every 30min

[subtle oar]

@tepid fiber I'll never understand the thinly veiled anti-panda bigotry from some ppl xD

[tepid fiber]

Anywho, pandaren heritage armor would be interesting. I'm expecting Tushui and Huojin themed options, and possible a third Mainland option

[subtle oar]

[novel zodiac]

mainland as in pandaren from pandaria?, not from the giant turtle?

[subtle oar]

Yes please. I RP Baifeng as being from Mainland Pandaria

[tepid fiber]

Yes

[novel zodiac]

sounds cool, really hope its not just red, blue and another color of the same armor

[tepid fiber]

It will be

🙂

[subtle oar]

I hope we get more Panda customizations too >~>; I want more Furs and CULTURAL JEWELERY BLIIZARD

:(!

[signal bone]

that azure worldchiller mount is disappointing. Was hoping they'd give us a blue dragonflight - themed dragon like the collector edition got green and the deathwing version is black.

Does the new catchup gear have new appearences? I would think we probably have to wait until 10.3 for the dream-themed gear.

[dense plover]

candy cane sword

[tepid fiber]

But who has been licking it

[subtle oar]

[dense plover]

armor pieces of the shadopan set from the icons news post

"Renewed Proto-Drake: Brewfest Armor"

[subtle oar]

S-SHADO-PAN?!

[dense plover]

its a trading post set probably

[novel zodiac]

and there's more

[dense plover]

leather tagged

[subtle oar]

Damnit bot ;-;

[novel zodiac]

It looks to cool to be from the trading post

[dense plover]

i mean

thats what its tagged

also trading post had the jester set

[novel zodiac]

oh yeah...

[subtle oar]

Fuck man, of course the first bit of Pandaria themed armor on the TP will be Leather

;-;

[novel zodiac]

totally forgot about that

[deep pawn]

So the existence of christmas stuff doesn't automatically mean this patch will come out after hallow's end haha

[tepid fiber]

laughs at you in iconic pandaren monk

[novel zodiac]

but there's hallow's end stuff too, should come out before it then

[deep pawn]

yeah, I meant christmas stuff doesn't mean this patch LASTS that long

cause I really want October 10.2

[novel zodiac]

oooooooh

[deep pawn]

Cause I fear a December 10.2 means no means no 10.3

[worthy ginkgo]

i bet 10.1.7 sep/oct and 10.2 short after blizzcon

[deep pawn]

I fear people will be really bored if this season is 1-2 months longer than season 1.

season starting 2 weeks after Blizzcon would make this season 7? weeks longer than season 1

[warm topaz]

10.2 is before blizzcon i think

[deep pawn]

It can't be if 10.1.7 isn't until Sept 19th

[warm topaz]

that guess is bc the race thing?

in easter kingdoms?

[deep pawn]

The roadmap still says Fall

and Blizzard fall starts 9/20

[warm topaz]

you think 10.3 is a thing?

[deep pawn]

I hope it is

[mighty spruce]

10.1.7 27.9.2023
10.2.0 8.11.2023

(EU dates) mark my words

[harsh mason]

Nothing terrible will happen, there is enough content. Lol, everything will be released BEFORE 2024, and in what month it doesn't matter.

[warm topaz]

maybe they announce 10.3 and 11.0 in blizzcon?

• classics things

idk

[deep pawn]

Brewfest is already over by then really. I think 9/19 is far likelier

[mighty spruce]

but that's not fall, is it? also, lunar new year also had patch with new stuff in the middle of it

[dense plover]

its finally in guys

[mighty spruce]

also, we got the date so it has to be before this day, nice

[harsh mason]

We literally had every major patch in every expansion for 6 months on average, it's okay

[warm topaz]

september 6

and a month later the cup

[deep pawn]

Season 1 was 147 days

[dense plover]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bc_zWAPTir_CxvoIKSvImvtlGblg4lp0DQQWxC4o8cY/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/FwKY_mqXoAA8lDV.jpg?width=1019&height=573

new staves

[harsh mason]

For some reason it seems to me that these are just for new raid sets https://www.wowhead.com/news/weapon-and-armor-models-on-patch-10-1-7-ptr-candy-cane-sword-and-class-sets-334037

[dense plover]

necromancer armor helmet

[dense plover]

no chance

these arent raid related

theyre not class specific

[harsh mason]

Since the first armor was still in the files for 10.1.5

[deep pawn]

oh... so a pet AND a mount for the anniversary event

[dense plover]

some of them are also tagged as trading post for some of the pieces

[deep pawn]

Both are Deathwing related

[harsh mason]

Well, yes, 6 months

[deep pawn]

147 days is just under 5

Wowhead speculating that the blue recolors of Deathwing stuff hints at Cata Classic with Wrath Classic Systems

[harsh mason]

Well, about 6 months. It all depends on the amount of content. For example, it is obvious that patches such as 4.1, 5.1, 5.3, 8.1 and so on (which are very small for a large patch) will come out faster

[deep pawn]

10.1 was hardly small

[mighty spruce]

we didn't have "small" patches before, every somewhat big patch was its own major patch, what we got as 10.0.5 or 10.0.7 would've been .1 patch in the past

times changed :)

[harsh mason]

Well yes. 10.1.5 more than the same 4.1 or 5.3

[tepid fiber]

Some patches are just built different

[signal bone]

I wonder if these armor sets are going to be from mage tower 2.0 and not trading post. Herrod wouled be warrior, pestilence dk, we've got a pandaren set, a rogue set, etc.

[dense plover]

NElf helmet - possibly not finished

oh i see

wowhead already found it

this is what i mean about how undead heritage hides all the customization btw

NElf armor shows off the face, hair, and tattoos

[harsh mason]

Oyoyoyooyoyoyoy

Cool

[subtle oar]

These look pretty Panda/Mogu themed

👀

[dense plover]

its trading post gear

thats why its only 3 pieces

like the raven set that was on the shop earlier

[tropic trail]

not sure if anyones seen this yet but there's new achievements for professions? hunter ones mention dire maul and blackwing lair

[crystal pond]

Are white scales for drakes was available before or not?

[tropic trail]

new brewfest and hallows end achievement too

[dense plover]

customization has been in the files since launch, but not the item to unlock it

[crystal pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=208550/dragon-isles-drakes-white-scales

Well then

Its finally here

[dense plover]

brewfest saddle

[dense plover]

yeah i posted an image earlier

[crystal pond]

Oh its doesn't show to me

[dense plover]

pirate day saddle!

and claw armor

[mossy meteor]

pretty sure it takes abberus appearances

[dense plover]

the pirate armor is SO good

it has netting and barnacles

such a great job

[crystal pond]

So like
10.1.7 will be online around pirate's day?

Well it will be in September for sure

[jade basalt]

Let's try this https://twitter.com/MyMindWontQuiet/status/1679659474880004096
https://twitter.com/MyMindWontQuiet/status/1679660164041908225

MyMindWontQuiet (@MyMindWontQuiet)

@WarcraftDevs Could be unfinished but flagging just in case: if we're getting man'ari then please consider giving us the awesome textures from Legion. Man'ari without actual man'ari details would be a very big disappointment. Looks like a huge downgrade right now.

Twitter · Jul 14, 2023, 1:10 AM

MyMindWontQuiet (@MyMindWontQuiet)

@WarcraftDevs It's entirely possible there is technical limitation that prevents them from straight up lifting and giving us those NPC textures, but new, equivalent customization should be created and provided.

Twitter · Jul 14, 2023, 1:12 AM

[jade basalt]

Where? Don't recall seeing it in the files 🤔

[crystal pond]

Its there

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=208858/highland-drake-pirates-day-armor

[deep pawn]

red skin already looks awesome to me

[dense plover]

its mediocre

better than nothing

[warm topaz]

its cool

[deep pawn]

also, super interesting druids of the flame are back

[dense plover]

but needs the fel marks

[warm topaz]

fel marks maybe are gone bc lore reasons

i read that from someone

[crystal pond]

When lore reasons ever stopped blizzard?

[deep pawn]

I don't play a draenei right now but more customizations always rock

Actually messing around with a night elf warlock on moon guard for fun

[jade basalt]

The entire point of man'ari is that they're fel-corrupted eredar.

If you remove the fel corruption there's no point in man'ari.

They 100% need to add those fel marks and scars and horns in as customization options.

[mighty spruce]

new type of dragonriding races? cool stuff, wonder what it will be this time

[dense plover]

what?

where?

[dense plover]

oh huh

maybe advanced+reverse?

[mighty spruce]

dunno, omw to see if they are available

[dense plover]

or advanced but you start with less vigor?

[mighty spruce]

that'd be barely a challenge, maybe just for the start

nope, not on the NPCs yet it seems, at least ones I checked

[jade basalt]

My guess is that those Legion textures were made for NPCs and can't just be slapped onto player models, so that's why we're getting this instead. But it indeed looks awful. They should put in the work and (re)create proper man'ari textures/options.

My other worry is that their story will involve them getting purified/cleansed, justifying the less fel-corrupted look. But I would like to still have the choice to go for fel-corrupted options. Man'ari without fel scars, horns and such is not man'ari, it's just red draenei.

[uncut vault]

Weirdly, that's actually not a restriction

the darkfallen skin tones are 100% copy pasted from NPCs to players

complete with a lack of unique face textures, giving them different face visuals from the normal skin tones

So I think this one might end up being a story justification of some sort of partial-purification

[ripe marsh]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/manari-eredar-customization-for-draenei-characters-coming-in-patch-10-1-7-334036

this makes me so happy

[rose escarp]

I guess it could still be locked behind an encrypted questline, unless the source of the unlock has already been found?

[plain violet]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=414239/ashen-dreams

[deep pawn]

I'm actually surprised it took this long for flame druids to show back up.

[plain violet]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=209221/light-lich

[deep pawn]

I have to imagine lots went crazy after the burning just like all the night elf primalists we've seen

[plain violet]

A Light... Lich?!

[plain violet]

Agreed, agreed. A lot of flame druids spells!

[austere gazelle]

We have a light Undead Calia

So a Light Lich... not surprising

[plain violet]

It is not, but I wonder its utility..

And the quest behind!

[tepid fiber]

We already had an entire questline back in SL that discussed how necromancy is still necromancy regardless of the type of magic used to fuel it

[plain violet]

Yes yes yes yes I know, I am more interested into the reason of seeing him and the quest behind.

He's tied to a spell talking about a Light Knight revealing his true form, wielding Light and Shadow.

(and the true form is the Light Lich)

[subtle oar]

Which I found to be... so disappointing.

[tepid fiber]

I didn't. Same formula, different input. Applies in a few other settings too

[subtle oar]

Agree to disagree I guess

[tepid fiber]

I mean we've even had similar spells fueled by different types of magic since Vanilla. This isn't even a new concept for WoW

[plain violet]

The idea of necromancy being necromancy no matter magic is nice for long term.

[tepid fiber]

We've already got restoration magic that uses multiple types of magic, same for evocation and basically any of the other traditional schools

[crystal pond]

Yall dont forget that this models can be a placeholders for real models

[plain violet]

Healing magic is awesome. I also really liked double school magic.

[plain violet]

I think it's placeholder yup.

In double school magic, we have seen the draconic combo in DF, like green/bronze combo during the first raid.

[subtle oar]

Personally I find it to be a cop-out and makes necromancy no longer interesting and unique to Death.

[silent urchin]

There is a new draenei/velen questline mentioned in the development notes, although not sure if its going to be related to eredar. Follow Velen’s prophecy to reveal a new future for some of the draenei people.

[plain violet]

I think it is... especially since it unlock the man'ari custom.

[silent urchin]

So the dreamsurge buffs don't seem to be going away on PTR

you just get more and more of them

oh nvm just lost them all when the next dreamsurge happened

[plain violet]

It's also a bit bugged, some resetted without warning. :(

Did you get inside a dreamsurge ?

[warm topaz]

guys do you know if that feature is like legion invasions?

to level alts

[silent urchin]

There was the event going but I didn't bother, seemed to only be me there and it was gonna take like 15 minutes just for the first stage

[jade basalt]

Hopefully not, that would defeat the whole point of playing man'ari. I'm all for there to be more options for those who don't want fel markings or whatever, but those options should still be available for those who do want the fel horns, scars, etc. Even if the plot involves them being de-fel'd to some extent. Otherwise it's like if they had released Lightforged draenei without Lightforged customization.

[harsh mason]

We have undead priests for a sooooo long time. We have a bunch of examples when another force (for example void) infected any creature. Why can't lbdi still accept that the light works according to the same rules?

[split stump]

They need to increase/enlarge the size of Felguard and Wrathguard.

[deep pawn]

It doesn't look like dream surges have world quests attached

[silent urchin]

It's a bit odd

they seem to remove WQs from the other zones

you do get some of the dreamsurge stuff from them, though

and I also saw one of the buffs gave 100% bonus gold from WQs

[upper pasture]

bonus gold is always nice

[glass flicker]

The new ping system looks good. But I have to question if the pings will be seen through map geometry, mobs, etc. and will become less visible at close proximity.

[edgy ivy]

Could someone kindly tell me if there's any way to customize the ping wheel commands (like which command is at 12/3/6/9 o'clock)? I'd check myself but I'm on a potato laptop for the next week

[glass flicker]

That's also a good question.

[rain cave]

Would be nice if the pings had some connection to the navmesh so that they're not just something you see through a wall

E.g. if somebody pings something important in a side room ahead/ behind

Shows you where to go to get there

Instead of just, where the end is

But that's niche

Can't wait for there to be addons that auto ping people who fail mechanics

[upper pasture]

i mean, we still have world markers too

[rain cave]

Yeah but those are easy to miss

[upper pasture]

i feel like the easier solution would to make them more visible

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault Interesting tidbit, Arcalus was in BfA

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Justicar_Arcalus

[subtle oar]

This is our early next xpac clue

10000%

World revamp all but confirmed?

This is definitely our Sylverian Dreamer/Fae Dragon

[tulip sun]

What does it say

[dense plover]

idk - i think the fish is more likely to be a hint

also i REALLY hate this mount

as someone who loves Kodos

it barely looks like a kodo, and the animations are so lazy that it regularly clips through itself

[subtle oar]

What's?!

This thing is the best kodo mount ever

[dense plover]

honestly, it looks like a djaradin mount

i would be more surprised if this isnt part of THIS expac and 10.2 or 10.3 has this mount used for the enemies

[subtle oar]

Nah. With all the revamped buildings in the files, all the copius hints, a revamped old world is coming in the near future

And this mount almost completely cements that in my mind

[dense plover]

theres only been like 5

also i really dont think theyre going to do more than a few zones at a time

also, considering theyre adding dragonriding races, i really dont see them doing a revamp

otherwise they would just wait to add them until then

[subtle oar]

I'll agree to disagree and say wait for November when we see the xpac trailer

That will tell us all we need to know

I personally was nor buying too much into the old world revamped discussion but this new mount has made me 180 my position on it

[warm topaz]

I wish we knew how much money is invested in wow and how much each thing costs

[signal bone]

there's no way they do a world revamp other than updating old world assets. And if they did it would not be the entire world, it would be a couple of zones like mentioned above

they'll never do another cataclysm because the game doesn't really need it

[subtle oar]

It really does.

[upper pasture]

there's no better time than now/when they add DR to the old world to do another revamp

[signal bone]

no it doesn't most people are pushed towards recent xpacs like bfa, SL, or Wod for leveling. Why waste all that time on updating the old world when leveling is irrelevant? And they can't add end-game content to every zone so I don't see how that would work either. And I feel like most people wouldn't actually want end game content across every zone, especially when it would basically just be shitty world quests

Adding things like DR, updating assets piecemeal, etc. is what we're going to get

[upper pasture]

cause the old world can be refreshed and tell new stories?

[signal bone]

they do that already with heritage quests, random quest lines etc

[upper pasture]

because why wouldn't we want to see the world evolve to our actions

[signal bone]

there's no way you';re going to get full on questlines in every single zone in kalimdor / EK

your expectations from the dev team is just unrealistic

[upper pasture]

we never said all zones you're the one putting words in our mouths

old world could use the update and they could also use that time to update some of the questing zones

[signal bone]

so then what is a world revamp if it's not every zone and what constitutes a revamp

[plain violet]

!!!!

Amazing !!

I am in love.

[upper pasture]

they could do like they did we cata make the world updated with better assets and then select a few zones to completely revamp.

[signal bone]

I could see assets, maybe a revamp in the style of Darkshore / Arathi, but the new expansion will still be in brand new zones like Cata because that brings more excitement / creativity

[subtle oar]

I fully disagree on that. Revamping a zone and showing the growth of the zones story is so core WoW

[novel zodiac]

World of Warcraft hasn't been a world in a long time, now is just "new island of Warcraft"

[upper pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-ok-gif-22970990

[deep pawn]

There aren't even kodo in the isles

Just thunder lizards

Djaradin ride mammoths

Now Baine could lead an army of Tauren to defend the tree alongside Centaur

[harsh mason]

I'm curious about Igira's creation (for which the djaradins collected metals during the Fyrakk assault).

[crystal pond]

Deathwing 2.0 burning Teldrasil 2.0

Watch

[harsh mason]

Or

We just have a lot of elf souls

[crystal pond]

Yup

[dense plover]

dreamsurge does have a skybox - it just isnt working 100% of the time

[plain violet]

Generally I see those skybox... 2s then over.

[dense plover]

yeah its broken

[plain violet]

Yeah.... same for the portals: they sometimes don't appear even in phase 2, or it reset before getting to phase 2. :(

[deep pawn]

I just hope these don't lag like time rifts

[warm topaz]

time rifts will be fixed soon

[little hound]

PTR Screenshots soon ?

[deep pawn]

oh snap, like we expected AFTER this expansion, Dragonflight becomes our new level 10-70 expac instead of BfA

[dense plover]

source?

im not against that, just curious

[deep pawn]

the long community council chat.

[dense plover]

oh, cool

[deep pawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKjtBib25a4&t=1089s&ab_channel=WorldofWarcraft

[dense plover]

much better new player experience

[deep pawn]

somewhere around 30 minutes in I think

They're apparently doing changes that have been datamined that point to that

[dense plover]

i havent seen any datamining pointing to that

[short prism]

oooo i love that

that’s actually really good

that actually— kinda explains some small things like

is that why wrathion had to do his whole arc again??

maybe that’s a little tin foil-hat-y

[plush mortar]

I wish they had Man’ari for horde as an allied race and give the alliance something similar to that.

[plush mortar]

This would be welcome by me. Also i hope the zones get smushed together( like EK and Lorderan with plague lands being sub zones instead of their own zones). They are far to large with the fast leveling up now.

[plush mortar]

I wish they would do the old world what they did with draenor. Keep cata in the files and time walk it but make new Modern day Kalimdor and EK for new expac or just for a new leveling experience. There needs to be a more friendly way for new players to level 10-60 with reading a bunch of books and having played 20 years worth of game.

[signal bone]

Dragon flight is becoming the default 10-70 experience which makes sense since it is a better introduction to the game and the start of the next major story arc

I just don’t see leveling being a priority to blizz when it’s a feature most people don’t care about and what we have with DF is perfectly acceptable from a mechanical / gameplay perspective

@deep pawn where did they say time rifts were being fixed?

[deep pawn]

they said they were working on it somewhere in the interview

[signal bone]

Oh I see it now, thanks

[lunar hawk]

any news about the draenei customization?or are they still disabled till neext ptr build?

[warm topaz]

i think that chain quest is not going to be testable

[plain violet]

I think it too.

[glass flicker]

New night elf body tattoos. As if I didn't ask for female ones when the male tattoos rolled around. REEEEEEE

[signal bone]

Hope these class sets / weapons on the pre are indicative of a new large tower like challenge

[deep pawn]

So there's a fire owl, any signs of a new fire bear or cat?

[warm topaz]

please

[upper pasture]

that would be cool af

[warm topaz]

maybe 10.2.5?

[signal bone]

Fire owl?

Game desperately needs more Druid forms. Kind of sad we’ve only gotten one since legion

Should be a couple per expansion, ideally one per season to match the tier set

[dense plover]

uh - we got multiple races with custom forms

and theyve been updating lots of old forms

moonkin is next to be reworked

because right now it has 0 customization

theyve already gone on record about this

[deep pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965753133152223233/1129840451785072770/image.png

There's signs that The Flame Druids are a renown track in 10.2

[dense plover]

probably not a druid form

at least not for players

more likely a pet

i mean, they could stick a druid form there, but its unusual to lock druid cosmetic forms behind rep

[deep pawn]

It might just be a questline when they become friendly

[warm topaz]

at this point is almos 100% that we are going to emerald dream right?

[deep pawn]

dream/tree, same diff

I don't know if it'll be inside the dream itself but we got a new zone coming

[deep pawn]

but there is a flying form that uses that exact skeleton already

what if instead of "racial" druid forms the druid expansion just gives forms all can use

[plush mortar]

Maybe a basic one for druids for all races but then add specific race forms later?

[deep pawn]

who knows which way they go

[signal bone]

We’ve only gotten race specific Druid forms

They need to add more to the pool for every Druid

They already have race specific forms for each Druid

We need more skins and ideally more models too

Different kinds of beasts instead of just bear or cat

[deep pawn]

After Warlock I doubt we'll see a ton of new forms

hell watch them remove the Zandalari form

[dense plover]

what?

I

I have no response to something this dumb

[deep pawn]

"visual clarity"

[silent urchin]

druid forms are all basically the same shape across races

[uncut vault]

The zandalari boomkin very notably not, I think is his point

and is the same level of egregiously out of line as the observer (ie: not really but blizz is weird)

[deep pawn]

It would be silly to change it to be fat, but after observer

[short prism]

one model got removed and tons got added (including newly made ones) for warlock

don’t be too dramatic :p

[deep pawn]

but they're same shape except for shivarra and wrathguard.

Zandalari form is very different

[deep pawn]

I really hope they do add a fire bear and an updated fire cat

[rain cave]

10.2 having druid lore makes sense if it's emerald dream

maybe they're next to be made available to every race

whilst also maybe changing forms a bit, by adding further form customisation

that is race agnostic, to reign in the art assets a bit

since warlocks got extra customisation with their race availability thing

maybe they're going to roll out classes that require fewer assets on .5 patches, and larger classes on major patches

[warm topaz]

i think druids will be the last class to be avalaible to all races

or maybe demon hunter

druids needs too much work

[mossy meteor]

I don't see druids becoming available to every race

[deep pawn]

They will, that's already confirmed to be coming eventually

He said they just gotta make up a reason for like goblin druids

[plain violet]

I would like more custom too..

And some red/black that is not nightmarish.

[deep pawn]

Instead of creating just one bear/cat/moonkin/travel/swim per race to cover each of the missing races, just create like 5 or so of each all druids can use

And we already have reuse that way. Zandalari use troll legion and Kul Tiran use worgen legion forms

[rain cave]

yes this

which is what I'm wondering about the druid stuff being datamined

maybe give each race a unique form where it makes sense though

could be nice to see either a unique boomy or cat form for velfs/belfs

tying more into the sunwell/forest ranger themes respectively

maybe even giving dwarven druids gyphon like bear forms

because of wildhammer

[signal bone]

Well regardless more forms are needed

Game is long overdue for them

I thought legion was going to set the precident for multiple per expac but that turned out untrue except for allied races and the guardian mage tower form

[cosmic beacon]

Remake the fire cat like they did with the cheetah

[deep pawn]

Legion was because druids didn't see weapons which were the main expression of the expac

[glass flicker]

If you don't have the chad bear form, I'm not allowing you to tank.

[soft fjord]

GEW-H79G

beautiful

[glass flicker]

What.

[plain violet]

What?

[warm topaz]

What?

[upper pasture]

huh

[sleek solar]

Uhhh

[plush mortar]

Haha Classic!

[ember atlas]

since vulpine are already an animal form, makes sense they should be able to be druids...

[subtle oar]

Don't crush my hopes for Panda Druid this xpac

[harsh mason]

I wonder if a panda druid in bear form will just stand up on 4 paws?🤔

[hoary trail]

nah they will turn into a smaller more adorable red panda when its on its back legs and arms in the air trying to be "threatening"

https://tenor.com/view/my-bad-woah-watch-out-gif-16008204

[rain cave]

Tbh panda bear form sharing the same rig as the mage tower appearance and being similar to the panda version of the giant steroid trolls/orcs would be hilarious

Orc druid forms taking inspiration from wolves would be cool as well

[crystal pond]

A Pandaren druid is a druid on the contrary
instead of turning into an animal it will turn into a mortal

[plush mortar]

Oh could you imagine the forms looking like august celestials

[sleek solar]

Cant wait to see if Void Elves get a cool void beast form

[short prism]

imo it really depends on how long they’ve been working at druid forms for the other races, or if they already like…had the designs sitting around somewhere

[plush mortar]

Mantis form instead of moonkin

[short prism]

i did think we would get paladin > shaman > druid though as the order for the more unique model classes

[plush mortar]

Thematically I can see tyr reforming the silver hand, and adding other races by the end of the expansion

Shaman would be easy because there’s so many elementalists out there

[short prism]

a chiji form would be so cool though ): like imagine if it uses the same base model as the zando troll boomkin but it’s all crane themed

[plush mortar]

I see the crane be more of a flight form who knows

[short prism]

yeah!! but i feel like paladin might be a little easier resource wise since all the races have racial mounts, but the lore difference between sham and pal is harder

[deep pawn]

Like I said, instead of racial forms with 4 colors each, I bet we see just like 10-15 "generic" forms added

[short prism]

why not both!! (also imo, it’d be a BIG wasted opportunity to not use the four august celestials for the four druid specs, it’s like…perfect)

[plush mortar]

I don’t know this lore well enough, but looking at the August celestial page. It has the leader of the mantid as a celestial. I just thought that would be different.

It would also give a resource to players that they really didn’t have before

[short prism]

they are not an august celestial!! the august celestials are a specific group of four wild gods :3

also im pretty sure mantids have a connection to the void, inherently

[plush mortar]

Oh yes, I see it now my bad

[short prism]

no problem!! it would be a cool idea

[plush mortar]

They could totally take one of those celestial’s an make them and augmentation spec for monks

[short prism]

I think we’re almost more likely to see something bug-y from void elves, but that’s a loooong shot. we don’t really have any playable races with an innate connection to the mantid (or any other void race like that) iirc

[short prism]

oh absolutely

support specs being…possible now makes things very very interesting

[plush mortar]

I remember them saying that they wanted the crane to be healing, but the red would be confusing

[short prism]

I kinda think DH might get one— by granting some of the “demon benefits” to allies temporarily while remaining a dps slot

[plush mortar]

Take the crane from the healers, and make it a augmented spec

[short prism]

that would work so so well tbh

it makes me wonder if they ever thought ab it when they made monk

[plush mortar]

I kind of hope that discipline becomes augmentation. or a augmentation spec that is primarily a healer augmentation, a healer that augments.

I also think that augmentation really opens the door to have a tinker class.

Three different kinds of augmentation: tank, augmentation, healer augmentation, dps augmentation

[rain cave]

I reckon they'll just have new standardised forms, with some unique colours and extras for some races

Like some tentacles for velfs

Tufts of feathers for belf

Maybe a beard like thing fur dwarves

[short prism]

I keep seeing that thrown around but i’m not sure why they would do that!!

i think we’re going in the direction of more personalizations, not less

[rain cave]

It's more personalization than if we didn't have it

[short prism]

i would say that’s less than the current standard, even though it would be more just by volume

[rain cave]

Also doesn't rule out race specific customisation

They can coexist

[deep pawn]

it doesn't, but we have 17 races that can't be druids yet

there's just no way we get 17x3x4 and 17x3 to cover all the bear, cat, boomkin, travel forms etc

[subtle oar]

The August Celestials embody the 4 Druid specs near perfectly

[plush mortar]

Kinda. They would have to tweak the forms. Ox doesn’t exactly translate turtle/bear moves.

[plush mortar]

5 min after writing this.
“A bear with horns would look stupid”
insert dial-up noises

[dense plover]

angry tauren noises

[plush mortar]

Most ironic thought i ever had.

[deep pawn]

Is it bad that I'd be disappointed if this expansion's last tier was 10.2 in November?

[subtle oar]

The roadmap was already updated to show there will be a 10.3

[deep pawn]

no?

Where'd you get that impression

[dense plover]

i mean - they literally said at the start of the expac, theyre planning for 3 patches

idk why everyone thinks they suddenly arent

thats how you take an A+ expansion and drop it to a B

[deep pawn]

unless that meant 3 seasons

[dense plover]

3 major patches =/= 3 seasons

in what world?

why are you inventing a scenario where they dont do 3 expacs?

10.2 in november would make season 2 WAY too long

assuming similar season duration, 10.2 should be in september

or early october if its 1-2 weeks longer

lets say season 2 ends on sept 26 - same number of days from S2 start as S1 start to end

that would mean Season 3 on Oct 3

which means Season 3 would end on Feb 20

and major patch in march actually

and theres no chance they release an expac in march

would place next expac in oct/nov of 2024 which is the best time to release an expac - fall expacs tend to sell better generally speaking