beta-ptr-spoilers

[deep pawn]

It means alts can get the mogs on their leisure

More important for future expansions really

[rain cave]

I mean like imagine if the dark ranger set had to work for everyone

or the heritage sets for example

it's more of an analogy

that not every monthly reward HAS to be usable by all

if they want to release say, a demon hunter glaive that does some cool specific effects

or shoes that are only transmoggable on hooved races that works with them

some things work better if tailored for a specific race

[ember blaze]

that's what the regular shop is for...

you have plate sets not long ago

a big sword

[rain cave]

ok but why should the monthly reward be any different than the shop rewards

[ember blaze]

because it's the big monthly reward everyone is working towards...

[rain cave]

that's YOUR view of it

[upper pasture]

we've had mail sets in the TP too

[ember blaze]

my view is that everyone is working towards the final reward?

[rain cave]

not everyone is

some people might look at this months and go

"not worth my time"

[ember blaze]

okay?

[rain cave]

I did that for the first month

the mount was a bit shit

[ember blaze]

okay?

[upper pasture]

you are, but that's most because of the 12 month reward unlock

[rain cave]

so I didn't care

[ember blaze]

i dont care for half the stuff in the shop

i dont have to buy it and i can save my currency

monthly reward is your entire progress bar for the month

[upper pasture]

yes?

[ember blaze]

to get something i cant even use shouldnt be the case imo

[rain cave]

I'm just saying I don't see the harm in having cool unique things as the monthly reward

[ember blaze]

and that;'s why im saying the shop is there for that

[upper pasture]

you can't expect to be able to use everything tho

[rain cave]

exactly

otherwise we'd get no staffs, 2handed weapons

[ember blaze]

we're talking about the singular monthly reward.

[rain cave]

guns

yeah?

[upper pasture]

yes

[rain cave]

you're saying weapons shouldn't be the monthly reward?

[ember blaze]

i didnt say that

[rain cave]

that's what you infer

[upper pasture]

well we just got the swords and almost everyone hates it so

so it's kinda implied

[rain cave]

because if you don't want things to be not usable by some characters, that means it has to be mog or mount

not weapons

since weapons are class dependent

[ember blaze]

maybe they should include different versions

nobody should be locked out of it

[rain cave]

more work then

[upper pasture]

nobody is locked out of it tho

[rain cave]

and again

also means less uniqueness

[upper pasture]

you still earn it, you just play a class that can't use it

[rain cave]

"we want to make a really cool scythe transmog for spear users!"
Ok now make a version for each weapon type so everyone can use it

[upper pasture]

its not like you don't get progress towards the overall achievement because your class can't use the swords

[rain cave]

ruins the original pitches fantasy because now everything is designed to be congruent with eachother

also if you like the swords but can't use them

why not play a class that can use swords

get a new toon

I've been levelling a belf since I want the heritage armor

it's been a nice break from the usual content

and I'm levelling my nieces toon she made :D

[deep pawn]

I fully believe the sword were designed with the warden set in mind like the mount

[uncut vault]

it... does though haha

[deep pawn]

Wouldn't shock me if there was glaives that are swords in the pipeline too

[uncut vault]

its just a WoD set recolored in BfA

and then finally given to players

any mail wearer can use it

[deep pawn]

I hope they make at least one staff that looks good with the warden set

[rain cave]

the transmog doesn't does it?

idk

the blood knight set works more I suppose regardless

[uncut vault]

it does, I can use it on shaman and evoker

[rain cave]

oh it's still a mail tmog tho at least

but yeah w/e

my original point was that if they have to worry about bringing every monthly reward to everyone, it limits the sort of things they could do

such as if they wanted to do a cool scythe weapon, or a warden style glaive

[scenic dome]

hey is it known how you can obtain ponzos cream ?

[obtuse vine]

Blizz just teased galakrond and murozond coming soon in their WowCast livestream

[mossy meteor]

and evil chromie

[harsh mason]

Timewalk raid with galakrond when?

[deep pawn]

Ugh, I was hoping for no Galakrond unless it's in the past and we're stopping the infinites before fighting Murozond

[pulsar minnow]

Well, tbf let’s think about the Primal Incarnates’ history

Their entire shtick was that they were Galakrond loyalists

I’ve said it before, and it’s probably far fetched but we also know that Shadowflame has the ability to reanimate dead bodies so….

who knows, might be a jump to the past or it’ll be a giant zombie void galakrond

[harsh mason]

In fact, I would advise not to make a guess. They hinted that Galakrond will be in the plot, but that doesn't mean he'll be the boss or anything like that. He can participate in the plot within the mention

[pulsar minnow]

Well I’m just gonna guess cuz I’m speculating lol. There’s just no way they won’t do a galakrond fight. They know people want it

[mossy meteor]

he could also not appear directly

but rather be sort of an indirect influence

[deep pawn]

I'd enjoy helping the proto aspects

[plain violet]

Just a funny thing. We don't have the bronze dragonflight effect when we use visage form, in game. Yet, the official video show us that. :')

That's a thing I would love, having the choice of some FX.

[frank rose]

something like flight allegiance glyphs

[plain violet]

Yeah, or just... our dracthyr can use every flight color, this should be easy.

[frank rose]

Yeah, more dracthyr customs overall would be welcome. I just brought up glyphs because it seems most likely.

[plain violet]

Yeah.. not in patchnote, but I agree. We need a bit more dracthyrs custom to showcase their usage of magic trough some mundane things.

[ember blaze]

a random one like druids got with their forms

every time it's a new form kinda thing

[ember blaze]

what video is this from?

[plain violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo12dBwqNYQ From this one!

[ember blaze]

is it just me or is there 0 voices in that video and only music?

[silent urchin]

it's a bit screwed up

it was live so there was a 15min intro

they seem to have cut that out now, but it's not quite worked

the actual talking starts about 15min in, and it's now desynced by about the same amount

Presumably will get fixed

[plain violet]

Exactly, the start is a 15mn!

[silent urchin]

can't go past ~28min though, cause the video ends, even though it says its 43min long

either way, up to youtube and/or blizz to fix

[plain violet]

Yeah, the video is bugged. :(

But I can surpass the 28m mark, for example I am currently at 30:04/28:46

[crystal pond]

Galakrond galakrond

Also rip
Evil chromie

Vid is so bugged i hope they will reload it

I wonder why blue dragonflight questline is so encrypted in any way possible

[silent urchin]

they've barely even mentioned it as a patch feature

so very mysterious

[ionic terrace]

The only thing I noticed was that Halah got some new voice lines

[crystal pond]

Haleh*
Can you drop them? Please

[deep pawn]

Man either Ion misspoke or the devs decided to screw over any 2handed users

[silent urchin]

on sparks?

season 1 was the same

[deep pawn]

Season 1 you started with two sparks

So everyone at least had the choice to craft a weapon if they wanted to

[silent urchin]

hmm.. did you? Fair enough

[deep pawn]

This season 2h specs have to wait for the third week of the raid haha

[upper pasture]

Bronze dragon mega dungeon chasing Morchie please! 🙏

[ember blaze]

as long as it isnt shit

like the questline where you're traveling in time, but all you do is run in a straight line with a speed boost

[crystal pond]

Chromie deaths like questline maybe?

[upper pasture]

I wouldn’t describe that as “shit” but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I felt it was a flash nod

Also I wonder if Noz now will turn into Murozond by Morchie. Maybe he ends up saving her somehow because he knows it’s Chromie

[crystal pond]

I feel like tragic cinematic is coming

[upper pasture]

Oh 100%

Oh man what if Morchie and Chromie team up because even evil chromie is still good and the infinite flight can’t change her goodness lol

This is why bronze flight is 1000% my favorite in storytelling cause like nearly anything can happen lol

[harsh mason]

I just hope that everyone here understands that everything they said could be part of different types of content. The evil version of Chromie and from infinite flight can easily be the boss in megadungeon. It's just that I've already begun to notice how people have fantasized whole plots for themselves based on these short excerpts that don't even have context.

Or it could be a scenario like Deaths of Chromie

I'm not saying in any way that it's impossible to build theories, but people sometimes get too carried away, and then they don't understand when everything turns out not to be as they thought.

For example, before the announcement of 10.1, there were a billion theories about what would happen next. As a result, no one even guessed that Fyrakk would start devouring shadowflame, and Sarkareth would become the final boss.

[upper pasture]

i mean, yeah. i know damn well that's why it's just a theory

and not to be a counter point but someone did in fact guess that Sarkareth would be the final boss lol

[harsh mason]

We guessed when the 10.1 announcement was made (it was shown among the raid bosses)

Even before the opening of the ptr

On promo screenshots

[upper pasture]

but still theories are just that theories. no one should be upset if their theory is wrong /shrug

[pulsar minnow]

We’re all fully aware we’re probably wrong. It’s just fun to speculate and there’s no reason to try and police it

[crystal pond]

And its channel for that so why not talk about nonsense stuff

[rain cave]

I agree, I only like to speculate in direction or content they've shown, even when I get wilder with my theories

But for example, I've seen people get legit hyped up for an anduin wrathion romance plot, but there's no implication of that, and their stories are not in that direction at all atm. So it's entirely headcannon

[harsh mason]

That's what I'm saying. I'm not talking about theories, but about expectations. Already so many people really think that 10.2 will definitely be about the Emerald Dream

Although there is no information other than stubs from files that could be used as placeholders

[rain cave]

the emerald dream glaive thing could even ne a mega dungeon, questline, anything

it isn't neccesarily the full patch if it's in 10.2

[rain cave]

so everyone things of this windows as having the 1 head at the bottom

any consideration of this perspective?

(idk why it uploaded twice)

the shape language of the thing in the background almost reminds me of void naaru too

[upper pasture]

i'm pretty sure that "larger entity" is his wings but that's just my take

[rain cave]

depends if the thing below has wings or not

because there are more of the eyes right next to the head

[upper pasture]

pretty sure it's supposed to depict a void infused deathwing

[pulsar minnow]

Well one thing we do know is that the window shatters when Sarkareth goes into his hulk phase

[upper pasture]

yeah

[pulsar minnow]

And behind the window is just a star-looking thing

[jade basalt]

That section of the raid is full of murals of Deathwing, going from pre-corruption Neltharion to world destroyer Deathwing
So yes this is clearly a late stage, Void-infused Deathwing. You can see his jaw, eyes, horns.

[pulsar minnow]

I just don’t think it’s Deathwing

[upper pasture]

i mean it could be sarkareth depicted

[jade basalt]

This is Deathwing's room.

Nothing to do with Sarkareth.

[pulsar minnow]

Yes but it also could be an old god prison or void thing

[upper pasture]

we are also deep into the void by then

[pulsar minnow]

We’re surrounded by void

[jade basalt]

..in Deathwing's room. Have you seen the raid? It's Aberrus/Black dragonflight architecture.

[upper pasture]

so reality is meh by then

[jade basalt]

It's just that the further you go, the more it warps to Void. But it's still paintings of Deathwing. That just get voidier and voidier.

[pulsar minnow]

Well yes, but do understand that he built the entire lab atop this weird void thing

Whatever this glass pane thing is could have been what drove Deathwing mad, as we know it did

Neltharion himself says that Aberrus and what lies at its core is what led to his downfall

And this expansion did confirm that there’s another old god out there

So idk about you but a lot of signs point to old god and not Neltharion

[upper pasture]

bruh what, Deathwing and old god go hand in hand at this point.

like we KNOW DW made deals with an old god which is how we overpowered and imprisoned the incarnates.

[pulsar minnow]

I mean, yeah?

I know.

Im saying that this mural thing and what it contains is probably what drove deathwing to madness, and not just a pointless mural of Deathwing

[jade basalt]

Why "pointless"?

[upper pasture]

i somehow doubt a window mural is what drove him to madness

[pulsar minnow]

Jesus what I’m saying is that this is an old god prison I’m not saying the mural drove him mad

[jade basalt]

The whole section of the raid depicts murals of Deathwing, from his pre-corruption Neltharion self to his ultimate Void-y fate https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq4jFQPX0AoJqN6?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

This is one of those murals

[upper pasture]

i think it's literally scenery that we are overthinking about

[jade basalt]

It's definitely not an Old God prison

There's no Old God there

[pulsar minnow]

It’s got the chains, the void, the mural like all other old gods

[jade basalt]

Yet there's no Old God

[pulsar minnow]

Jesus my images are broke sorry

Lmao

[jade basalt]

And it absolutely does not look like the other Old Gods' prisons

The other ones are titan architecture

This is all dragon/Aberrus architecture

That just got warped by the Void

https://www.wowhead.com/news/scalecommander-sarkareth-boss-arena-in-aberrus-raid-patch-10-1-332395

[pulsar minnow]

Well yes, but fat chance Neltharion built Aberrus atop a prison

We don’t know but it has shattered chains all around the room

Which suggest old god

[jade basalt]

You can see below the room

[jade basalt]

You can see all the way down and up https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1104809.jpg

No prison or Old God

[pulsar minnow]

We know for a fact that there is something in Aberrus that is to be unleashed

[jade basalt]

How so?

[pulsar minnow]

Iridikron literally said it

Aspects worst nightmare

And all

[upper pasture]

that's not the same tho

[jade basalt]

You might be thinking of Neltharion's experiments

Vyranoth: Exquisite. In his wake, the dracthyr will succumb to the temptation of Aberrus and unleash the Aspects' darkest nightmares.

The whole raid is pretty much the Sundered Flame and the dragonspawn guy unleashing every experiment one by one

And us defeating them

[pulsar minnow]

So y’all think this raids just gonna end with sarkareth dying and us just moving on? I don’t believe it

Based on all they’ve foreshadowed I doubt it

Wrathion and the rest of the brothers are all getting whispers again

[upper pasture]

i mean there's the whole other two incarnates that are doing whatever they are doing while we handle fire bio and the sundered flame

[jade basalt]

That's coming from the Echo of Neltharion

Whose internal name is "Faceless One" so it's probably a n'raqi like in the Black Emperor Wrathion fight in Ny'alotha

I think the ending of the raid is definitely going to have ramifications and might lead to more Void-y stuff in the future, but I don't think this is an Old God prison

A way into the Void, for example

[upper pasture]

granted i do think this is doing something but you're original thing about the mural is just thinking WAY too deep.

[pulsar minnow]

Just seeing as how Neltharion knows of two more unexplained old gods and all the setup towards whispers, nightmares, and Galakrond really suggests to me that there’s old god shenanigans

Heck they built a giant facility to cleanse the water of old god corruption

Also the elements and old gods go hand in hand

[jade basalt]

That was Yogg-Saron

and Deathwing was N'Zoth

so not anything new

Galakrond is likely to be part of the Temporal Conflux megadungeon, we go back in time and see him there probably

And the whispers were from the Echo of Neltharion as I mentioned

[pulsar minnow]

Even so, all stories in this expansion tie back to old gods in some capacity

And it’s pretty much fact that there are two more out there. Or at least one.

[jade basalt]

There's 100% foreshadowing for a future Void expansion, I'm just saying that I don't think we're unleashing an Old God in Aberrus

[jade basalt]

This part however is untrue, as far as we know we've defeated all the Old Gods on Azeroth

They could always add a fifth one on some other undiscovered continent if they like though, but last we heard, as of BFA, Azeroth is finally free of Old God corruption

[pulsar minnow]

Not true as of 10.0

[jade basalt]

What are you referring to?

[pulsar minnow]

There’s a book where Neltharion writes annotations and demeans the titans and whatnot

He says the titans imprisoned five old gods

When we only know of 3 ever being imprisoned

And ghuun wasn’t really imprisoned he was born in a prison

[jade basalt]

That's a misunderstanding, the book actually dates back from vanilla. Actually, the content of it dates back to WC3.

The only new bit they added is the annotations. And those annotations are explicitly saying that everything in this book (which is from vanilla/WC3) is wrong.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Old_Gods_and_the_Ordering_of_Azeroth
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Old_Gods_and_the_Ordering_of_Azeroth_(Annotated)

[pulsar minnow]

Yes, but why the heck would they bring it back into our knowledge now

If not to suggest the possibility of more old gods

[jade basalt]

Also it never says that these annotations are from Neltharion

[pulsar minnow]

Does it really need to? It’s pretty obvious it’s probably him

It’s in the Zskera vaults

[jade basalt]

The idea is to offer different POVs. So this old book from old lore, is no longer "retconned", it's now just a different in-universe POV.
Which the author of the annotations is calling wrong and titan-biased. Which offers a different POV, the author himself being biased towards the Void.

[upper pasture]

for all we know it could have been written by the void dude that tucked all those coins in our adventure guide

[jade basalt]

It really doesn't make sense to take the contents of this book to be true when the very point of the exercise was to decry this book as biased and wrong. The author is explicitly saying, the content of this book is incorrect. Can't pick and choose what part we like and decide they're true!

[ionic terrace]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/sound=223297/5014786-monster and https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/sound=223296/5014783-monster

first one is greetings, second is farewell

[pulsar minnow]

Look whatever man you’re just going to disagree regardless of what I say

I’m fully of the opinion this expansion is heading towards voidy shit happening and I believe whatever in Abberus is a void entity of some kind

[crystal pond]

Thank you!

[jade basalt]

It's important to distinguish between "what is factually true and established" and "what is possible".

Is it possible it's heading that way? 100%. Is it possible they may add another Old God in the future? Also possible.
But there's some margin between possibility and "this is facts right now".

[ionic terrace]

that's all, and i only knew she had farewells cause of her old npc lol

[pulsar minnow]

Nothing any of us say is factually true.

We don’t know. We’re speculating

I just refuse to think what’s in abberus won’t be important beyond sarkareths death. Too much build up for that

[jade basalt]

No no. Some things are true. As I said, as far as we know and as of BFA, Azeroth is clear of Old God corruption.

Could that be changed in the future, could they add some other Old God on another continent? That's possible, but it's certainly not the case right now.

[upper pasture]

no one said that

[jade basalt]

And yes the outcome of Aberrus will likely lead to something Voidy. Haven't said the opposite. I think you're just confusing "this is foreshadowing a Void plot" and "X, Y and Z are going to happen".

[pulsar minnow]

No I’m just saying “I myself think this is going to happen”

[jade basalt]

They are definitely foreshadowing some sort of Void plot. Likely an expansion?

But there's a margin between that, and "Aberrus ending is going to unleash an Old God"

[crystal pond]

Azeroth is already infused with void why do yall surprised

Devs said that old gods are gone but void is not gone so hey

Not will be surprised if void coming from azeroth at this point

[pulsar minnow]

Well it doesn’t really matter. I’m just making a prediction and saying what I think will happen. That’s it. You are free to disagree.

[upper pasture]

you said you were stating facts tho

[jade basalt]

Let's just move on and agree on the idea that there's probably more Voidy stuff coming!

[upper pasture]

i mean okay but it was your words not mine, die mad.

[pulsar minnow]

Bro what

[harsh mason]

I think it's just a space creature (most likely from Void). Just because it's all in space, not on Azeroth. Personally, I don't see the point in linking this image to someone from Azeroth

[upper pasture]

i only reason i say DW is because the constant murals of him getting more and more voidy until we see this but hey who knows. i hope it's not him and it's something cool but maybe it's just scenery.

[rain cave]

makes sense as deathwing I suppose yeah

there's even what looks like nzoth's mark in between his horns on hsi forehead

if the window shatters though, and reveals a dark voidy star behind it

and the shape behind him looks like a voidy naaru, a dark star even

that's a neat tie in potentially

hour of twilight

[deep pawn]

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/STF3NBZMFME61682641015655.png

Blizzard is calling that a sword...

I'm assuming mistake but if not woo

[upper pasture]

yeah i already talked about this in retail lol i have my doubts as well lol

[harsh mason]

Vyranoth said it

This is one of the reasons why I am sure that she will never come over to our side and that she knows about everything

[ember blaze]

I think it was really silly to think she was gonna join us

Or that she was unaware of anything

[harsh mason]

People just think that since she is the "softest of them", she will see that Iridikron has his own plans and betray him. But personally, I didn't see that she was soft at all (she mourned her sister, but they all mourned her sister, just each in their own way). And secondly, she literally knows what is under Aberrus and does not mind it being used against Aspects

[crystal pond]

frozen one
being soft
I will believe more that Fyrakk will join us than the Ice Lady

People think that its because "she is very smart" And will join us due understanding of Iridikron true plan but naahhh

[upper pasture]

I don’t think any of the incarnates would join us but I do believe she might look the other way in order to save herself if she could strike a deal to stay alive and not imprisoned

[crystal pond]

Let her freeze new tree first atleast

[upper pasture]

I think out of all of them she would rather live somewhere and not want to die over someone else’s bad plans

[crystal pond]

So they stayed with this ver of art

Now need some neltharion content very bad

[rain cave]

this is cool

the monthly reward is boring unfortunately

[little hound]

They should have made the flamer violet/purple.

[ember blaze]

yeah why is the arcane helm red

[rain cave]

No idea

But could be cool for blue fiery mogs

[uncut lintel]

maybe it changes

colors

[cold zenith]

Wasn't two boss from Aberrus should have been tested since almost an hour now ?

[deep pawn]

holy carp

10.1.5 vendor already

[harsh mason]

No, only the 3rd LFR wing

[cold zenith]

yeah, that is what i am talking about

[harsh mason]

Testing will take 3 days, so it may not have started yet

[cold zenith]

yes but they are one hour late

[jade basalt]

It's a recolor of the original helm that came in a red version and an orange version, the purple recolor was never released until now. The flame FX unfortunately didn't come in different versions, it's just orange.

[crystal pond]

10.1.5 ptr before 10.1 launch?

[uncut lintel]

maybe they had the whole expansion done

this whole time

[deep pawn]

My only concern is they said 10.1.5 is the half way point. That would seem to indicate season 3 is our last but I'm hoping it's more that it's the middle in the patch numbers and still leaves 10.3 as last

I guess we'll see soon if Temporal Conflux is the mega dungeon or next raid

[rain cave]

People are thinking emeralddream next but honestly, emerald has already had a raid and dungeon. The infinite have always only been dungeon enemies, I hope they give them the raid they deserve

Because you could do so much cool shit

Also Because it would be a time travel related raid, they could do something funny and bring back old set remasters as the tier

As well as boss remixes

I still think council of guldans is a great idea for a boss

[deep pawn]

Shattered Timeways would also be an awesome patch zone.

[upper pasture]

I mean it would make a lot of sense with the TWing event we just had

[deep pawn]

I'd enjoy seeing an orc controlled Elwynn forest or a still living Tirisfal

A return to Azmerloth would be fun too

[rain cave]

faction shuffled world at war zone

where tauren and night elves for example are on the same side, instead of split in alliance and horde

humans with a church of the void instead of the light could be funny

we've already seen what they are willing to do with timey wimey stuff with the chromie quest, the murlocs

if they dedicated a whole raids resources to just us chasing infinites through timelines, for example if we find a way to track down the thing they sent into the timeways in uldaman but they're trying to get to it before us and getting in the way

[deep pawn]

There's a lot they could do and I hope they do beyond the dream again

[upper pasture]

one would say the possibilities are infinite 😛

[paper goblet]

Yo guys, what servers do you play on PTR in EU for M+ testing?

[rain cave]

surprise dread expanse upload nice

and he's unhinged as ever

[rain cave]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1652326883864768514?s=20

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

The visage of Fyrakk the Blazing by Dave Greco.

Prepare to face his fiery temper on May 2.

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Twitter · Apr 29, 2023, 3:00 PM

[harsh mason]

He's gorgeous

[crystal pond]

And we gonna kill him

[rain cave]

hopefully he'll drop a new campfire recipe for cooking

[harsh mason]

Fried Centaur Recipe

[rain cave]

"mercer's moist morsels"

[little hound]

Wonder why 70% of his face Is grey/white here..

[glass flicker]

Looks like cinder that turned into ash.

[harsh mason]

This means that it is literally red-hot to the limit. Such objects take on a white hue

[crystal pond]

Its literally turning to dust

this is not red-hot to the limit, but something that is no longer able to burn

Omg if Fyrakk death will be him turning into dust it will be so tragic even if he is a villian

[dense plover]

we dont even know if he dies this patch

since he isnt in the raid

he very well might live until later

[crystal pond]

But i mean in general

In general he will die

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rain cave]

Kadghar uses him as a fireplace

That's what happens when we beat him

[uncut lintel]

can he turn good so we dont have to kill him

wear fireproof gloves and give him hugs

[crystal pond]

He consumed shadowflame so no

If wrathion dont gonna show up like "hey i actually can purify things!"

[harsh mason]

Fyrakk would not have gone over to the our side under any circumstances. He is an ancient protodragon who considers himself the ultimate predator.

This is the best characterization for Fyrakk

[edgy ivy]

Hey, anyone know if Zaralek has mining/herb nodes with primal, molten, titan-touched etc modifiers?

Or can nodes only have the new modifier, metamorphic?

[upper pasture]

i think someone said they've encountered all types of nodes in the new zone

[edgy ivy]

Ty!

[silent urchin]

I've seen all types

even mining seams

seems to be a very high chance of rich nodes too

[upper pasture]

Man, I just thought how incredible the mogs can be if we get a infinite raid as the 3rd one

[harsh mason]

On the contrary, it seems to me that it is very difficult to make 13 different sets in this topic so that they are both class and infinity-themed at the same time

On the other hand it could be megadungeon and then mogs would be 4

[cosmic beacon]

Do we know what the elite weapons look like from pvp?

Don’t think we’ve seen the glad tabard and no confirmed duelist enchant

[rain cave]

isn't the duelist enchant the shadowflame wreathe

[cosmic beacon]

Idk if it’s been updated but pretty sure it was said in wowhead that it’s source isn’t confirmed

I could have misread or be completely wrong

[harsh mason]

I sincerely hope that we will see the updated Malygos visage form at least in some form. Because otherwise it would be a crime

Because this is not serious anymore

[glass flicker]

I don't like that they retconned their more iconic designs that they've had for more than a decade for the new Dragonflight ones.

Flashbacks in new designs are weird.

[crystal pond]

Well blue dragonflight questline is still heavily encrypted so maybe he will show up in his new model

copium

He is the only one of the 5 who has no new model still

Cause look at this man

Give him new model please

[harsh mason]

This is not a iconic design, it's just blood elf, even without a little changes

[glass flicker]

True.

[harsh mason]

They made him like this just for one moment in the fight with Yogg

3.5 players know about him, who managed to see what was going on there in those 10 seconds

[harsh mason]

It would be nice to replace this shameful model in Ulduar with a new one

[rain cave]

probs not going to be the flashback style malygos but didn't his visage form change and become horrific as he descended into madness?

remember hearing that kalecgos described it as almost insectoid or something

also emberthal doesn't have a visage does she? wonder if she'll ever get one

or if her job is to just be THE dracthyr

[harsh mason]

On wowhead, she and Sarkareth have a visage form (but we didn't see it in the game). Most likely this is data from files.

Dragons can take on any visage, so Malygos could take on a new one for himself

He has a suspicious purple color on his hair🤔

Although no, she doesn't even have a hint of visage form yet

I think she may have visage form in future patches, since so far she hasn't had much reason to even interact with mortal races.

[crystal pond]

Is that unique face patterns?

[harsh mason]

To be honest, I do not know, there are already so many options in the game. But it seems like such "things on the cheeks" are not available to players

But in any case, I don't remember seeing his visage form in the game.

[ember blaze]

emberthal for aspect!

[uncut vault]

I wonder, was this added in 10.1, or just a remnant from something in 10.0 that never got used?

[ember blaze]

where is the purple? 🤔

[plain violet]

Added in 10.0 but never used, I remember it from 10.0 datamining.

Same as the pre stasis scenario.

[harsh mason]

hair

Well, apparently his visage form just didn't have a place in the game, after all, he doesn't really interact with mortal races (not very kindly)

[plain violet]

So many dracthyrs things were scrapped. x_x

We had a flashback quest of us attempting to resist Neltharion final command, and the battle against the primalists.

[harsh mason]

There may not be time for everything

In every game or movie something is cut out, this is normal

[plain violet]

Of course! But some removal are a bit sad for me.

I don't consider the current dracthyr intro to be a good one for a heroic class, even if I do understand what they were trying to do.

[crystal pond]

Maybe it will be used in future
Because Neltharion final command was having even encrypted cutscenes and now its all gone wtf

[plain violet]

Yes x_x

I really don't understand. Encrypted cutscene, dialogues and all, dialogues that even oppose the current narrative with Malygos intervention.

[ember blaze]

is that voiceline with him talking about devestator, preserver, and emberthal augmenting allies, still in the game?

[ember blaze]

is there a chance there was just a story direction change?

[plain violet]

Maybe, but that was a change after much content was already created for. :/

The quests are still on data.

[ember blaze]

welp time to become a doomer and worry about all the people quitting

[upper pasture]

ooooooor that story line wasn't meant for 10.1 and prolly 10.1.5

[harsh mason]

You pay too much attention to such data. It has been said many times (and not only by blizzard) that such data can be used as placeholders, as old ideas, as anything

You have no idea how many people find in the game files From software (and completely ready-made content). But this does not mean that it was planned

this could be used as a map for testing other quests, for anything

[rain cave]

love how they removed the guardian items even though this is arguably the weakest trading post month without them

[upper pasture]

meh, i really like the simple weapons and that red and gold cloak plus the white cloaks will go nicely with all the other new cloaks i've picked up

[plain violet]

.. sus.

[dense plover]

<@&299347348847329281>

[ember blaze]

the day of truth.

will it be true

🙏

[crystal pond]

What is this?

[upper pasture]

Just another hold out for the 3rd spec even tho they said it’s not in 10.1

[harsh mason]

They can only get the 3rd spec either in the patch10.x.5/7 or the next expansion

And then most likely it will be the next expansion, since it will be unrealistic to make a new talent tree within the framework of DF (so that it works)

[upper pasture]

i mean it's not super unrealistic if it comes before the end of DF if it was always planned to be that way but it's 100% not coming in 10.1 as they literally said "there is no 3rd evoker spec in 10.1"

[harsh mason]

https://www.wowhead.com/ru/news/hidden-dracthyr-evoker-legendary-weapon-in-patch-10-1-speculation-and-datamining-332719

[upper pasture]

now that's what i call datamining 37!

[ionic terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hFtkjlhcs0

[upper pasture]

i for one i'm very excited AND i'm the only evoker in my raid team 🙂

[plain violet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965753133152223233/1102994885310697563/image.png

Don't know if true...

[harsh mason]

Presumably with Sarkareth can file a recipe for a legendary item for Dracthyrs

Unless it was abandoned. And the name of the card "Deathwing's Final Moment" is most likely related to this legendary item

[silent urchin]

Seems at least plausible

although it's pretty weird to have the weapon just be visible, presumably on PTR, if so much is encrypted

[harsh mason]

Well

Well, it was obvious after Sarkareth said that he literally hears Neltharion's whisper

[crystal pond]

Lmao

Ffs those guys are annoying

[rain cave]

dreadlords 2.0

how many people are actually faceless tentacle people

[harsh mason]

In BFA, literally 50% of stormsong valley’s population are faseless tentacle guys

[crystal pond]

This is why i said they are annoying

[rain cave]

just wait till we go to the void realm

[crystal pond]

Hell naaaah

[rain cave]

just like how the valkyr were like related to the design of the kyrians, scourge copied maldraxxus

imagine how the tentacle faceless shit will evolve in the actual void realm from which they're derived from

[deep pawn]

Woo, special weapons

[glass flicker]

Oh no, not again.

If they're a gold sink/HoA investment, I quit.

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-of-value-was-lost-the-critic-fire-burn-it-with-fire-and-nothing-of-value-was-lost-gif-14671074

[upper pasture]

it's....uh....one special weapon?

[glass flicker]

And it better be a 1H for monk, too.

[upper pasture]

oof, hate to break it to you but MoP was years ago

[mossy meteor]

it's literally just an evoker weapon

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/alucard-castlevania-cry-sad-gif-13864665

It better only be a one-off like the bow from Sanctum of Dominatrix.

Please don't give all classes legendaries.

[upper pasture]

it....is?

[glass flicker]

Oh, okay. Good. I'm impressed, not depressed.

[upper pasture]

its the evoker expansion of course were gonna see a legendary for just them

[deep pawn]

Given the data mined story, yeah this is just Evoker

We already had the pseudo legendary in vault though

[frank rose]

If the legendary is a drop, I can see this having an impact, but given that the pseudo was a drop as long as the legendary is a quest I’m not as sure

[crystal pond]

https://youtu.be/_IXI9Ga5WUU
This cutscene man
Its so hard after bfa

Lol yeah lets make ebonhorn new aspect, a person who did not want it in first place, we totally dont have characters like that in lore, instead of making aspect a person who did alot of stuff and want it at the start and was trying to prove that he is worthy

[upper pasture]

naw, council of black dragons gets my vote.

[crystal pond]

Idk if aspect power can be shared but if it can that council for real
If not
Make Wrathion an aspect but ruleship in three

Not making wrathion an aspect feel so wrong after all what happened

[upper pasture]

if anything those datamined cutscenes are showing that each one of the black dragons are powerful yes but couldn't have lived through that alone and needed each other. plus the final scene shows each member getting to speak to some bit before letting the others speak showing that they can indeed work together.

also the way ebonhorn speaks seems to lead that they might have also talked about sharing the responsibilities of leadership amongst themselves too

[deep pawn]

The launch trailer spoils the legendary questline too

[mossy meteor]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=206156

[upper pasture]

last time we saw a cost of 999 didn't that end up being the monthly reward? 🙂

[crystal pond]

Netherwings pogs

They are back

[upper pasture]

this is pog

oh shit

it's also a DR mount

[silent urchin]

wonder if it'll have customisations

or just be essentially a skin

I'm guessing the client is fully patched if all this new datamining is appearing

even if servers aren't up

[crystal pond]

So it seems no blue dragonflight questline in 10.1
Alright

[ember blaze]

Wheres the morchie stuff

[upper pasture]

That’s prolly gonna be on 10.1.5 ptr when it’s up

[silent urchin]

I feel like that's more likely to be a 10.2 thing

[upper pasture]

Depends on if it’s mega dungeon or not I suppose

[subtle oar]

I wish we'd stop getting councils, tbh.

[harsh mason]

It is better to let the aspect be Ebyssian. Sabellian is a pure militarist, and Wrathion is literally a 10-year-old drake

[ember blaze]

emberthal for aspect

[upper pasture]

emberthal has no business being the aspect tho

[crystal pond]

Ebyssian is annoying in this patch

Compare to his legion and bfa stage

He was sooooo god as advisor but when they start pushing him as a leader because someone dont want wrathion become an aspect is so bad

[harsh mason]

To begin with, the fact that Wrathion is a teenager is enough to remove him from the applicant. I do not know why people say that in Bfa he did something good. Because of him, Ra-den died, and Nzoth almost infected Azeroth

He HELPED stop Nzoth. But again, his actions even in the BfA raised a lot of questions, I don't understand why people ignore it

Also he killed black dragons, this also affects

[crystal pond]

He is a person who is smart af and dumb af
Yeah he did this opsie with legion BUT Without legion titans would be corrupted by Sargeras and we all would be dead already

[harsh mason]

Just think about it, he is 10 years old, he has just passed the age of drake. If translated into human, he is about 14 years old

Literally everyone calls him whelp

I would put a mandatory requirement: if you are less than 100 years old, then you cannot become an aspect

[crystal pond]

Young people under older people advises can rule pretty properly and i dont understand why Wrathion cant start rule his flight with his brothers
Like why not?

[harsh mason]

I will write again-he does not have any qualities for the aspect. He's just a silly teenager

And he's always been like that

[upper pasture]

i mean, the first aspects didn't really do anything other than fight galakron

[harsh mason]

It's as if Flynn became the king of the alliance

[harsh mason]

As if a 14 year old Flynn

[crystal pond]

Some call Kalecgos a whelp so

[harsh mason]

It would be better if Wrathion didn't do anything at all than the jokes he arranged

[harsh mason]

Dude...

Obviously, in the case of Wrathion, this is true

[crystal pond]

Also dont forget that he have tons of blacktalons who is listening to him
So he actually know how to do leadership
The problem is that there was none black dragons before sabellian arrived (exept Ebyssian) and he was killing black dragons because he has no idea how to purify them and they was hunting him also
He was guilty after that even when he understand why he did that

[upper pasture]

but that's the thing Sabellian also has troops too.

[crystal pond]

If blizzard keeped his bfa stage everyone would vote for him to be aspect
But for some reason in df wrathion is shit

[crystal pond]

Exactly
Sabellian also know how to rule his flight but he dont care about anything outside his flight

I mean
Understandable
But thats why he not suited for Earth warder role

[upper pasture]

yet here he is helping everyone

[ionic terrace]

poor haleh

[crystal pond]

Also
Is blue dragonflight questline is there? Or atleast somewhere

[plain violet]

When even the promotional videos from Blizzard Youtube is "lol we all hate Wrathion".. x)

Yeah someone on the team really don't like him.

[crystal pond]

The whole character being ruined just because some people in a team dont like him

[plain violet]

Yeah.. that's really sad. After Sylvanas, Blizzard could have understood having people not liking a character don't allow them to ruin the character and be in contradiction to his behaviour.

[harsh mason]

Well, really, there was absolutely no reason to like him yet. The last straw for me personally was his miscarriage in the BfA, when Ra-den got infected because of him and Azeroth almost got infected

He needs several expansions in a row to do only the right and good things in order to at least make amends for everything (and even so, many black dragons have reasons to never forgive him)

[crystal pond]

There one thing dislike character because of character it self and other thing rewriting character just because you personally dont like him

I like wrathion because of his character but hell nah
He is not nice at all

I mean alot of people liked garosh but is he was moraly good character?

[harsh mason]

He wasn't rewritten, he was always like that. He didn't do anything good to the drop of one thing-he helped resist the whisper of Nzoth. Nothing else

I like him as a character, but I absolutely don't like him as a contender for the role of an aspect, he doesn't have a single quality

[crystal pond]

???
Watch lore video about him i guess

He did only one opsie with Garosh and the whole draenor

All other thing are good for champions or 50/50

[harsh mason]

I have already written above what he did in the BfA (and he did it on purpose, he knew about the risks, but he didn't care, this is directly stated in the game). Absolutely not the quality that an aspect should have

I'm not talking about a "good or bad" character. He's a terrible leader

He's bad as a leader

[ember blaze]

@plain violetany info on the power draining spire you posted? 🤔

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=202608/power-draining-spire

or did that turn into the legendary

[plain violet]

Ni info. ;(

[ember blaze]

why is there a badlands portal in valdrakken 🤔

[glass flicker]

To go to Badlands.

Also for Uldaman, Legacy of Tyr, the dungeon.

[dense plover]

dont remember these plaques from ptr

[glass flicker]

Huh, only 1500 rep for Niffen weekly?

[dense plover]

yeah but its niffen rep

[glass flicker]

I wonder if it counts to the Valdrakken weekly too.

[dense plover]

niffen rep does, yes

[ember blaze]

emberthal for aspect

[harsh mason]

She can at most become the leader of the dracthyrs.

[upper pasture]

emberthal seems to (atleast me) being set up to be sorta hand of the aspect and leading the dracthyr forces. this time with no mind controlling involved

[harsh mason]

I think the dracthyrs won't be part of black dragonflight.

[clear parrot]

The entire plot of dracthyrs is being what they truly want

We've seen a dracthyr as time keeper so why not on New Black Flight

[rain cave]

because they aren't dragons

they can join the flights

but they can't become dragon aspects

even if they could logisticically/ technically

narratively makes no sense

robs the actual black dragon aspect storyline of its more rightful contestants, and doesn't line up with the dracthyr and emberthals story so far

would make more sense if the dracthyr took their place as a faction to glue the flights together, and stop their corruption.

especially after nozdormu and likely some more go crazy later this xpac

[plush mortar]

The power of the aspects was granted by the titans. It was given to them for their assistance not because they were dragons. They just happen to be dragons. The aspect of life, dream, magic, time, or earth could be given to another race or color… but i could be missing something.

[rain cave]

they're DRAGON aspects

[upper pasture]

i mean tbf aren't they "the dragon aspects" but we all write it as aspects because it's faster

[pulsar minnow]

Well the Dracthyr are all children of Neltharion, so by heritage yes they are of the Black Dragonflight

[rain cave]

it would be like saying congrats guys the new king of the dwarves is a goblin

[upper pasture]

also Dracthyr are of all flights not just the black flight

[rain cave]

yup

well

actually

EVOKERS are all flights

[pulsar minnow]

They’re infused with the magic of all 5, though they’ve had some black aspect magic extracted from them

[rain cave]

dracthyr can have none, one, a couple, whatever

Evokers are infused with all 5

not just plain dracthyr

[upper pasture]

i'm would 100% bet they become a sub faction that acts as the military of the aspects

[plain violet]

All dracthyrs have the 5.

[upper pasture]

it would make a lot of sense since well they were sorta created to do this job and they are very capable of doing it

[plain violet]

However, a evoker can use the 5 with perfection!

Minus yeah, the black essence extraction.

[pulsar minnow]

I’m not sure a lot of Dracthyr would exactly be happy with doing that, considering that’s what Neltharion forced them to do and all

[rain cave]

I feel like if dracthyr find out why black magic was removed from them, and that was say, corruption

but then they find a way to master it without the corruption

[upper pasture]

i mean of couse not ALL of them are going to do it

[rain cave]

then evokers will truly have all 5

instead of 4.5 we have now

[upper pasture]

but for the most part that's likely their role in azeroth

[rain cave]

then I guess they could very well act as the generalized authority/faction between the flights

[pulsar minnow]

Well aren’t the Drakonid already their army though

[rain cave]

add accountability

since a big issue with the dragonflights at the moment is accountability

primalists weren't happy that order was thrust upon them. Malygos and Neltharion just kind of went mad and caused a lot of damage

Nozdormu is fated to turn into murozond but they're just letting the dude stroll around in full power

instead of maybe finding somebody else to act in his stead whilst they lock the situation down

wrathion caused an orc and then legion invasion

as well as tried to set up the factions

nothing happened to him

sabellian was an agent of deathwing in some capacity, but nobody it holding him accountable for it

basically if you're a dragon government official, you're above the law

dracthyr acting as a medium to hold higher powers acocuntable would make sense as player character motivation as well as fit their direction in the story I suppose

[pulsar minnow]

Knowing how blizz usually handles this stuff, Dracthyr are just going to end up being another race like everyone else free to explore the world as they please. It’s boring but probably the most likely result. I could def see Emberthal end up being Ebyssian’s advisor tho

[plush mortar]

Yes all the aspects are dragons and they have been since before the time of other races. But thousands of years later that power is not “genetic” it was given by the titans to 5 and they were and have been the dragon aspects but now the possibility of another race gaining that power is possible as there are other races. Neltharion was not the aspect of black but the earth warder malgos was not the aspect of blue but of magic. The titans didnt give the power of “dragon aspects” to those 5 but the aspect-tral power over those aspects of creation.

Now granted, if there is a piece of lore that says they have to be children of the aspects ill chance my stance but I’m putting it out they the possibility based on my reading of the lore. (Until it gets retconed)

[crystal pond]

In embrace only dragons can become aspects of their flight (this one was stated in books)
To become a new new aspect titans need to give power almost directly to a person
And with info we knew ablut titans we dont need new new aspects

Btw making emberthal an black aspect will be such a garbage writing

Far worse then perfect Ebonhorn

Cause it will become "moraly grey" Situation in which Blizzard writers are so bad at

[upper pasture]

woah, the monk tier gloves are dope

[austere gazelle]

I disagree. It's what was told, but in reality, Titan don't need to give anything to anyone since its a mechanized process. Kalecgos came to mind. We don't really know what's behind this whole " gaining aspectral power " stuff.

[ember blaze]

We find out with that titan dude we getting his memory for right?

Make dracthyr the new flight that sits on that empty spot next to alexstrasza 😎

[plush mortar]

Yeah at the end of the day canon can and has been often overwritten for the sake of a better selling story.

Lets hold of for “somehow Neltharion has returned.”

[upper pasture]

i'd rather not

[plush mortar]

“We may not be perfect, but do we really want some new guy? I’ll stick with the evil maniac I know, thank you!”

[austere gazelle]

Everything is possible when Time Magic is involved. Dev mentionned Galakrond coming back in some form ( going into the past? )

[wary snow]

would like some multiverse shenaningans. for a whole expansion. with crazy ideas. imagine the mount possibilities!

[dense plover]

Think zombie-shadowflame Galakrond is much more likely

[austere gazelle]

it's also possible yeah

but it implies that the expansion will end up in northrend somehow. Or in Azjol Nerub

( more likely )

[pulsar minnow]

I mean, Galakrond is a big boy. He might just fly over the ocean to the dragon isles

[austere gazelle]

sure but someone needs to get there to raise him though :p

I'd say that with the Dragon sanctums next to it, the dragon might raise the alarm for us to go and stop it, but since none of them saw the incarnate doing stuff to open Zaralek on the footsteps of Valdrakken, I'd say nothing.

[rain cave]

fyrakk gets nommed by galakrond?

also having a side-quest in northrend could be fine, the dragons center of operations was literally there before the dragon isles became available again

by sidequest I mean like, some side narrative stuff that teases the future with galakrond or somesuch

e.g. the dragons could undertake an operation to get galakronds corpse out of the open, if they expect something could happen to them

alexstrasza and ysera working with some of the mortals to airlift the skeleton over to the dragon isles, let them talk about their brother that died and got turned into a galakrond zombie

and then now galakronds skeleton is on the dragon isles

and they can do what they wish with him

[deep pawn]

I really don't think we fight zombie Galakrond vs help the past aspects

[upper pasture]

i mean, what's up with all the galakrond stuff in that vault AND Noz's favorite trinket (which happens to be misplaced currently)

[uncut vault]

Honestly my question mostly is just if it’s gonna be present or past galakrond

Present makes more sense for this idea, since shadowflame would be reanimating him, but they pretty heavily implied that the murozond/galakrond plot were one and the same with the recent podcast Reese

[dense plover]

I really hope it’s not a past thing unless it’s a dungeon or a mini raid

I don’t want a back dragon raid fight again

[deep pawn]

I'd love if season 3 was two 4-5 boss raids

[rain cave]

I feel like if galakrond is being reanimated itwon't be purely shadowflame

narratively it would throw the scales too far into fyrakk carrying the plotpoints in an unequal amount compared to his peers

if vyranoth is going after the tree next... the tree with life magic

and souls

also look at how they've shown galakrond before, in book he would get stronger from eating things. In hearthstone they have him taking on different magic/affinities

I could definetly see them reanimating him with not JUST shadowflame

but a whole cacophony of magics

[dense plover]

I think Fyrakk is either getting sacrificed or eaten by Iridikron so I don’t think we have to worry about him too much

I think shadowflame is mostly a distraction and the Dracthyr combined with fyrakk bothering the flights on the surface is giving the other incarnates the leeway to mess around

[upper pasture]

that's been my thoughts about it ever since the other two had no part in anything except opening the way for everyone to get down here

[dense plover]

100% fyrakk is just there to make a mess

[upper pasture]

and the sundered flame. Iridikron was know for being a tactician no?

[rain cave]

yup

iridikron isn't really viewing shadowflame as this big main thing, he's just offhandedly using it to get fyrakk to go sicko mode

his true goals are elsewhere

I feel like they're definetly fleshing out the powers that be lately

and in a unique way

damage types

end of shadowlands we had cosmic damage, we've got spellfrost damage now, shadowflame

volcanic is also different from fire

I think

think there's some more I'm missing

[harsh mason]

I'm the only one who sees a CGI frame here, which was not in any cinematics🤨

[plain violet]

It clearly is a CGI frame... a new one.

[plain violet]

Yup volcanic is nature + fire, shaman spells had it.

[pulsar minnow]

It’s not really new

It was in the Dragonflight Art Book

Also I don’t believe it’s cgi also. It’s just art that looks almost cgi

[silent urchin]

there's a slightly weird amount of detail on the mountains

I suspect it's just a render from the launch cinematic but from a different angle

[pulsar minnow]

I mean from the art book it’s not a render. You can see it closer

It’s the kinda art style where they take real life assets and kinda hodge podge them together

It’s how a lot of cgi art is made for movies and whatnot. It’s really cool

[uncut vault]

Eh I think it's important, just not everything

the 10.0.7 cinematic made it clear that aberrus is worthless to them

all they wanted was the Shadowflame

but for what reason, we dont know

Fyrakk certainly didn't need it for the carnage he's causing

Aberrus and the dracthyr are a distraction, as is Fyrakk's mayhem

but it would be odd to place such importance on accessing the shadowflame if it was ultimately just another distraction for whatever Iridikron and Vyranoth are up to

Plus, Fyrakk has Igira and her djaradin using the shadowflame to forge something for him behind the scenes in the assaults

that we dont learn the reason for within 10.1 just yet

[upper pasture]

i mean, you could go as far as saying the title of the cinematic could work two ways "opening the way" could literally be ya know the way they opened to get to the caverns but also it's "opening the way" for the Iridikron plans seeing as it's getting all the PCs and NPCs out of his way for now

the shadowflame is important but not to Iridikron and his plans. i've bet this is just a storyline seed being planted for the future growth of WoW

so in X years people can't go "OH WHO'S THESE VOID PEOPLE"

[uncut vault]

it would feel a bit odd to bring back Shadowflame in particular and not have some kind of dragon resurrected, given that's its main association in the game since forever

[upper pasture]

not that they won't do that

[uncut vault]

they even almost had that be a thing in early PTR with Kazzara, but removed that section to make her a living dragon

so it seems like theyre saving the "undead shadowflame dragon" idea for something

[upper pasture]

possibly, who knows. can't wait to find out.

[uncut vault]

it's at least nice that this time it's fun speculation and not "oh boy, cosmic stuff nobody is asking for" speculation lol

[rain cave]

you can tell it's not cgi if you look at the mountain to the left of tyrhold, as well as the dragons themselves just being vague blobs

could definetly be photobashed, doubt somebody drew it all lmao

and could even be photobashed using cgi assets

[deep pawn]

Shadowflame by it's very nature is cosmic..

[ruby ocean]

what carries over to season 2 of dragon flight honor and conquest wise

[deep pawn]

Honor doesn't get reset but conquest does

[ruby ocean]

ah ty

[deep pawn]

The Naga on the reach feel a lot like Naga invasions in BFA. She's coming back soon. I'd bet on 11.0

Hell Azshara is pretty much the last living "iconic" baddy eh?

Fits the 20th anniversary

[worn crown]

Just to add an comment that nobody asked for, I'm one the 7 people that actually do enjoy the cosmic stuff ;P

[rain cave]

yup

[harsh mason]

In any case, I always liked it when the locations from the game are shown as they would look in irl

[harsh mason]

There are many more such people. I like the theme of cosmos in WoW (specifically cosmos, not the old god's void(too much purple)). But there was not so much of such theme (the final of Karazhan, Antorus and the final of Aberrus)

[rain cave]

I like cosmic stuff too, but not when it complicates power levels and puts holes in lore

Like the idea of the shadowlands just being a place that you can visit, it's just weird for future storytelling

Can go ask pelagos for directions to the guy we need to talk to but died

[upper pasture]

SLs isn't ALL the afterlives just those specific ones.

[harsh mason]

SL simply perform the function of the afterlife. But in fact it is the same place as Void Reality or Life Reality

Therefore, the inhabitants of SL are a kind of cosmic races

[plush mortar]

I to enjoy the cosmic stuff but i wish they would clean up the lore. Some lore is experiential and some needs to be hard(er) canon. Example: durring BC we had Dks with an “unholy” spec. Made since back then as thats the best way to experience what it was from a light (narru) perspective. Now with SL it would be nice to either change it to “Death” or with DF “decay”. (Or perhaps unholy is Holy/Death or Holy/Decay)

Basically clean up the lore without undoing it

[rain cave]

it's all mortal afterlives

there are a nigh infinite amount of afterlives to be found in the shadowlands

not just the main 4

you just don't get to see them because blizz scrapped the plotpoints and fun parts of SL 🙃

[upper pasture]

yes but they can clearly explain we can't go to anything other than the 4 we visited so that's why "pelagos can't just point us to the person who's dead and we need to talk to"

[rain cave]

well they could say that

but to me that feels like a copout to fix a hole in the lore

even if it has long term positive effects on the story

it's a bandaid to cover some rough lore, and stop it from influencing things later

[austere gazelle]

SL had some trouble fixing its lore and some part are either unfinished or contradicts other stuff we had in the same expansion

[deep pawn]

Would you rather have classic zone revamps that are the whole continents, but the scale is smaller on par with an expansion, or, an expansion that's centered around just Stormwind and Orgrimmar but you hit invisible walls on parts of the continents

[rain cave]

I'd just say they should go with an expansion that allows them to roll out old world revamps patch by patch

and allow parallel stories for both levelling players and max level players

levelling players maybe are helping clear out say, feralas. helping a group of night elves move in there (as an example)

following the camps, doing the usual levelling quests

but then max level players are jumping into a new dungeon there, doing world quests and outdoor activities to work on renown

I'd also put forward the idea that they should at least experiment with the idea internally of releasing an expansion without a level cap increase

[upper pasture]

meh, expansions without levels feel like just patches.

[rain cave]

to me that's fine, if they add the expansion features alongside as well

because levelling is usually viewed as tediom for a new xpac

if you take the effort for a new expansions levelling and try to spread it out on the old world levelling experience

might smooth out lower level content more

since you're not running around 2007 outland

(as fun as it is)

[upper pasture]

the majority of people play the game to level. if you take that out of the expansion suddenly you lose a lot of players

[deep pawn]

I don't think you need to redo the old world for levelling

Keep that for Chromie time only.

The biggest downfall of cata was that so much of it was levelling

If levelling was say central and Southern Kalimdor and then Khaz Modan and then finally Stormwind that'd go better. Patch zones can be Lordaeron and Northern Kalimdor

[shell pasture]

anyone else getting DC'd when lunching ptr?

[upper pasture]

auth servers seem to be down

[crystal pond]

Is that a little bit odd that Meritra is at seat but she is not involved in cutscenes and dialogues

[deep pawn]

There's a lot of Internet issues today. Something is wrong with Google

[harsh mason]

She's not there at all yet

She was only there for the PTR

[crystal pond]

Oooooh

[harsh mason]

On live there are only Alex, Kalesgos and Nozdormu

[upper pasture]

if they have her talking in cutscenes/dialog in quests people will see her as a main character for DF and cry that some of the story is locked behind renown

[harsh mason]

It seems to me that in 5 months it would already be possible to complete all the quests in 10.0 (including up all renown)

[crystal pond]

People just dont like grind in general

[harsh mason]

Well, there is already no need to grind, in 5 months it all up by itself

[crystal pond]

Its annoying when you blocked from story by grind
Instead of time

[harsh mason]

Well, it always has been and will be, it's an mmo

[upper pasture]

which is why Merithra isn't getting screen time outside her extraside quests

[crystal pond]

And i 100% sure that when she will get it alot of people will not understand why she is here because alot of people didnt do a quests with her

[harsh mason]

Say thank that there are no more grinds and quest chains for access to the dungeon or raid

[harsh mason]

I don't think people don't understand. Those who are interested in the plot know that the plot chapters have ALWAYS been closed for some condition. And they know that the plot chapters open gradually.

[crystal pond]

Yeah but closing them with grind is not good

Because merithra quest require alot of rep, no?

Its okay when you closing stuff such as customization with grind
But story? Wtf is that

perform certain actions + raise the level = open story

[harsh mason]

The entire main plot in 5.1 was closed behind the reputation grind. And no one complained. The same thing happened before and after. Here it concerns only the plot of a particular faction. The main plot is available without conditions. Within the framework of mmorpg, I do not see this as a problem. It has always been so and it will be so

[upper pasture]

that was also 10 years ago

[crystal pond]

++++

[upper pasture]

gamers today want everything right away

personally i'm fine with grinding things. it's sorta part of an MMO. just as long as it's not 35 days of dailies i'm not mad

the way renown is is WAY better than any rep before it

[crystal pond]

Agreed

[upper pasture]

you have other methods than just dailies that let you catch up or get ahead if you want to

chill bro. lol them not me

[harsh mason]

Well, then them need to go play another genre

[upper pasture]

agreed or atleast understand that this is part of the game

[uncut vault]

Thats pretty heavily misinterpreting the critique lol

the issue is not having to grind for stuff, it's putting main story behind a massive and inconsistent grind, in a community that frequently has issues with spoiler discussions

locking earnable content or even smaller stories behind renown is totally fine, nobody complained about the tuskarr side story or the dragonscale vault questline

It still wasnt perfect back in an xpac like MoP, but it at least had a justification behind the gating in that it was a consistent amount earned per day that you couldn't cheese the system on with token grinds or alt catchup bonuses

[upper pasture]

They should just do a mix of both you have the rep tokens and dailies but after X amount of days you can access it. I mean that’s sorta how it works now if you’re doing the weekly anyways.

But I’m not gonna get upset if someone else get access to a storyline 3/6 months after I grinded for it without grinding. I wanted it then so I worked for it others don’t/didn’t want to grind or couldn’t so they didn’t.

Everyone plays the game how they want to

[rain cave]

I'm capping on that

sure there are levelling primary players, I was one when I was younger. Didn't even know what a raid was, just levelled my hunter bit by bit when I was 8

but that's definetly not the majority

also I'm not saying remove levelling, I'm saying put the effort that would have been put into the levelling of an expansion that has old world locations, into setting those old world locations up with new revamps for levelling players at lower levels

I used feralas but lets say we go back to tanaris

gadgetzan is a much larger city now in canon

so maybe there's quests there for lower levels dealing with gangs, and some small scale pirate stuff off the shore

but then in that same area max level characters are doing a raid or dungeons about fending off a pirate invasion that is the current story thread

[harsh mason]

I'm also interesting about what will happen to Dezran in the raid. Since he will be in the raid. And something tells me that this is waiting for him

But his tail is different

[cosmic beacon]

void zombie dragon

[harsh mason]

Well, he literally looks like it's a dead body that void's demon has moved into

[cosmic beacon]

That or they have a bad skincare routin

[crystal pond]

Dezran dying to Neltharion's Echo

Echo stunning us and then Dezran freeing us from it
And then he dead

[upper pasture]

what if that's the void taking over Sarkareth's body after we "kill" him since we don't have death animation for him

[crystal pond]

Will be so funny if this model is just a placeholder

[harsh mason]

I thought so too, but his tail is different

[upper pasture]

i mean his whole body changes during the fight whos the say it's just different when his soul is gone and the void completely consumes him

[harsh mason]

unsung hero

[crystal pond]

So like
Is blue dragonflight questline will be with launch of the raid or after?

[upper pasture]

Probably after?

Like 10.1.5 after

[harsh mason]

Most likely they will open it later

[crystal pond]

Blizzard said that their questline or foreshadowing must be in 10.1.0

[harsh mason]

By the way, all this time, the name of the ring that dropped from the Echo of Neltharion directly hinted that it was not an Echo at all
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=204398/onyx-impostors-birthright

[crystal pond]

People asked what to expect from start of first patch and they said about blacks and blues like imidiatly

[harsh mason]

most likely from season 2. Because it may be related to Fyrakk's assault

[crystal pond]

Real echo when

If there will be no real soul of neltharion it will be disappointment

Like
Its the place that literally corrupted him like comon

[harsh mason]

Earlier in the interview, it was also said that his assault is not just like that, he is looking for something

In any case, there will be a chapter with blue dragons. They wouldn't have said it a WEEK before the patch was released if it wasn't planned

[upper pasture]

I mean foreshadowing could just be a simple hint towards whatever fyrakk is looking for and a “go to kalec quest” with more to come later unless they keep a lot hidden. Which could also be true

[deep pawn]

Kalec is in the caverns. There's no way he voiced a single world quest

[upper pasture]

His NPC doesn’t even have voice lines when you click on him and no text when interacting with him. 😦 I was excited to see him but then sad when he has done nothing so far lol

Well except for that one WQ lol

But we do have 3 more chapters to go

[harsh mason]

Well, he was at the PTR, right? And it seems not he himself, but his projection (which has been giving us quests instead of Kalec itself since the time of the Legion🤔

[upper pasture]

He’s a busy boi

I personally laughed at all the kalec clones in AS

[little hound]

I just enabled Warmode and attacked Stormwind. And when Flynn goes to the Trading Post to get Shaw a puppy In secret? I AoE Cleaved and killed a stealthed a "SI:7 Agent".. Is Mathias stalking Flynn? 😄

[dense plover]

pretty sure SI:7 agents are just in stormwind

are you a rogue?

[little hound]

Nop

[dense plover]

yeah im pretty sure there just are SI7 agents in stormwind tho

think they added them sorta recently either right before 10.0 or as part of 10.0

[little hound]

Ok

[uncut vault]

if you're a dracthyr, they show up only for them

to follow up on the Turalyon/Shaw conversation from prepatch of Turalyon being suspicious of the dracthyr and wanting to figure out how best to see through their visages

[little hound]

So..The Primalists have been In the Firelands?

[deep pawn]

Well yeah

The Lord of Fire has been missing since BfA

[ember blaze]

isnt it the chef dude

[deep pawn]

lol, no

[harsh mason]

Yes. And not only. It is logical that they can establish a connection with elementals planes

But it seems like not absolutely any primalist, but quite powerful. One of the world bosses can

[upper lantern]

i think one of them says they have "trained in the Firelands" or something during the campaign

[upper pasture]

Same one that’s shown above is the same one that says that

They aren’t just “any primalist” too they’ve got a special name

[austere gazelle]

I think the Primalist are in cahoot with the Dark Iron splinter faction that want to ressurect Ragnaros ( we can even say that those Dark Iron are Primalists now. )

[austere gazelle]

This dialog is funny. Flynn is buying a Puppy for Shaw and one of the NPC said " you really think you can do this without him knowing about it ? " Flynn is like " yeah I'm a very discreet one "
And when he went to Shaw to surprise him , Shaw tell him he already knew about it 😂

[harsh mason]

"Igira says: Zaqali! Crush these puppets of the Aspects. I require every last suffused ingot and molded metal for our bargain with Fyrakk. Do not let these thieves interfere!"

These are the words of Elder Igira during the Fyrakk Assault. It seems to me that he is collecting elementium plating for him or Iridikron (or for someone else).

[crystal pond]

Deathwing reincarnation?

[glass flicker]

I wouldn't want to fight Deathwing again with the potential for three final bosses already. That being Iridikron, Murozond or Galakrond.

Fyrakk will probably be killed in a quest which is sadge. The ice one is so boring I can't even remember her name, she'll probably be in a dungeon.

So I think the story will go that Iridikron was secretly collecting elementium for its powerful nature, fusing it to Fyrakk's body. Fyrakk goes insane, wrecks a place and is stopped by ice queen dragon I forgor the name of because "he will not stop until everything is on fire. We are saving him for later"
So we fight her in a dungeon but don't free Fyrakk. Then we go fight Iridikron in the raid, who warns us about Nazdormu acting sus and keeping secrets. "Trust not the Timeless One, he brings destruction"
And so he does. Murozond is not the final boss of Dragonflight, because he summons Galakrond from the past, who is leagues more powerful than him. Galakrond completely wrecks us, we are left to pick up the pieces and maybe free Fyrakk to deal with him in his shadowflame madness while we assist from the side with the other Dragon Aspects.

And so Murozond is a threat for later.

But that's just one take of the rest of Dragonflight. Take it with a grain of salt. Maybe two grains.

[upper pasture]

Eh, the incarnates care not for us. They want to see anything titan aligned destroyed

[glass flicker]

And how would they do that if Fyrakk destroys everything, period? And with Galakrond on the loose?

[upper pasture]

I DO think DF is ending with Noz turning into Murozond

[glass flicker]

I think Nozdormu will turn into Morozond, but that he won't be the final boss. Think about it. He has all timelines at his disposal. Why wouldn't he straight up bring a larger threat than him into the present while he flees to make other plans?

[upper pasture]

Not that we will be dealing with it in DF but for the future

Oh agreed, he’s not being dealt with at the moment of his turning

[glass flicker]

And next expansion could be a Doctor Who episode about mending the timelines. And it would explain some zones getting reworked. No need for a new continent.

Maybe our actions in that timeline affect our own and we turn, like, Durotar into a lush forest.

And the orcs go "noo my honor, I guess we redeemed ourselves tho"

[upper pasture]

I do think with the whole TWing event they are teasing bronze stuff happening

[glass flicker]

Yeah.

So imagine.

IMAGINE.

If all starter areas got reworked.

[upper pasture]

And we get hirez starting gear

[glass flicker]

And you quest in Northshire, Elwynn, Westfall, Durotar, the Barrens, etc to max level.

Just mending the timeline.

[upper pasture]

Personally I’d love a whole expansion about fixing timelines

[glass flicker]

Like.

[upper pasture]

Cause they could literally do anything and I’d make sense

[glass flicker]

"Wait a minute, the Defias Brotherhood weren't allied with the Blackrock orcs! This is bad!" so go and fix Northshire.

Maybe we could see some iconic faces in new high res, maybe unique models.

Edwin VanCleef, Hogger since he got a new model.

What if the murloc timeline idea had a questline again?

What if Chromie and Eternus met again?

A timelines expansion has so much potential.

[harsh mason]

Potentially even Fyrakk can become the final boss

It's impossible to guess here. It was said that the final boss would be shown at the end of 10.0. But the memes is that it could even be Khadgar (kidding of course, but he was also shown)

[upper pasture]

Did they say final boss or big bad?

[glass flicker]

I believe it was Sabellian who said Fyrakk is as strong as Iridikron. But not as calm, collected, calculating, and other words starting with the letter C.

[harsh mason]

Yes, that was also said. But now he's even stronger

[glass flicker]

Yeah.

[harsh mason]

And Alex also said that Fyrakk was only interested in power

[glass flicker]

So that's why I think Fyrakk will unconsciously help us win the fight against a returned Galakrond.

And they both die in the process.

[harsh mason]

I doubt. It was also said that he would gladly burn both his own and others.

The bottom line is that these four Incarnations were not always elemental. They accepted the power of the elements as a response to what aspects have become...aspects. And from Alex's phrases it becomes clear that Fyrakk accepted this force of the elements only for the sake of power. Yes, he is devoted to the cause of the primalists, but not for the sake of an idea, but for the sake of power

[glass flicker]

No, I mean.

Fyrakk would help us unconsciously by going about his business of burning Titan-related stuff, and we bring Galakrond to him, who was summoned by Morozond.

Maybe on our dragonriding mounts.

[rain cave]

I don't think we'll get a timetravel focused expansion

we had that with WoD

imo too soon and too vague of an idea

noz going infinite, and murozond opening up a potential void expansion though?

that could be cool

since my assumption is that, if the shadowlands has different realms to show different aspects of death

afterlives, redemption, maintaining the cycle, ferrying souls, reincarnating, etc

then surely the void realm has its own factions/ realms?

perhaps there is an infinite timeways equiavlent there, full of beings that share the same color scheme as the infinite (like how the valkyr were inspired by the kyrian), showing where the infinites power and design originally comes from in its base form

then maybe there's a sector of the void area that demonstrates the old god creation process

another for the void naaru style of things

maybe some ethereals kicking around, locus walker included

[glass flicker]

A void expansion would be too much lorewise. Our characters would go insane.

[rain cave]

maybe not a pure void expansion, but something cosmic

been playing the new zelda game (not really spoilers it's the map and in trailers) ||and I've enjoyed how they expanded into both the underground with dark stuff, and the sky islands which are more bright. An expansion that has both could be a cool thing, could even lean into the idea of needing to use gear from one to stave off the corruption/effects of the other if they wanted to have some expeditions/deaths of chromie/ torghast style experience.||

[deep pawn]

THURSDAY!

we get ptr preview on Thursday

[harsh mason]

By the way, at the end of chapter 5 (just before the raid) there should be another cinematic. Not that it will be a full-fledged cinematic, but still

[silent urchin]

Didn't that one already get datamined

[harsh mason]

If you're talking about the one where Fyrakk burns Loamm, then no

At the end of the 5th chapter (when we siege the laboratory) there should be either a cinematics or just a cutscene

[silent urchin]

I'm sure I remember seeing one pop up with emberthal and sarkareth on that bridge by aberrus but I can't see it now

guess I'm misremembering

[harsh mason]

At the PTR, this moment was kind of unavailable. We defeat the golem and then something has to be

But I could be wrong

[crystal pond]

The one with tree? Its only a part of cinematic

[deep pawn]

So, I just realized the Aberrus tunnel tech would allow them to say have a portal we fly through to go from Kalimdor to the eastern kingdoms

My concept of how WoW: Homecoming would be even cooler since that'd let us dragon ride from continent to continent

[deep pawn]

Part of me loves the idea of it being another bit of a time jump and during that Turalyon pulls a Garrosh and a lot of alliance refugees move to Orgrimmar which becomes a unified hub city.

[cyan needle]

oh god no

[dense plover]

so - theoretically, but this only works because the map being loaded is relatively contained

kalimdor and EK are both enormous

sudden switching on those probably isnt possible without a loadscreen

[deep pawn]

Unless they improve it further and we're only doing parts of the zones.

I mean flying out to the surface works just as well

I've heard some say the Dragon Isles are about the size of the EKs

[upper pasture]

Idk about that. I know they said the Dragon Isles are about the same as Northrend or slightly larger

But bigger than EK? Idk

[dense plover]

its about the size of northrend

maybe 1/3 the size of kalimdor/EK

[deep pawn]

I think if we do get a revamp expansion it's its own server separate from cata and wouldn't be everywhere. My first guess would be just Khaz Modan and Stormwind. That wouldn't be excessive and it would be a modern design so maybe not as massive

[deep pawn]

I'm just hyped for next year regardless

I think they could just do so much with a modern dragonriding enabled old world that's designed for 10 levels

Oh well, PTR preview on Thursday

[dense plover]

really?

well, i guess we WILL have raid cutscenes and story by tomorrow

so we will know how the patch ends

i assume 10.1.5 is going to about dealing with fyrakk and the buildup to 10.2?

[deep pawn]

it says "In Development" what else could it be

unless they mean Blizzcon

[harsh mason]

Northrend is smaller. It seems big due to the fact that there are many locations, but the locations themselves are small

[dense plover]

Uh, no. Scale wise it’s about the same size. They’ve been overlayed and they’re very similar

[harsh mason]

I take into account together with Zaralek and Forbidden Reach

Damn, but there weren't even any new locations in WotLK...

[silent urchin]

There were a couple islands off the coast of icecrown!

[harsh mason]

These little islands seem to have been since the first day of release

[silent urchin]

Hmm, possibly

they definitely had content added later, I think totc

all the new dailies in icecrown

[harsh mason]

Well, if you think about it, then since pandaria, the amount of content in patches has become much more (well, except for draenor)

[jade basalt]

Not quite 👀

[upper pasture]

Soon(tm) man, I can’t wait to see what’s on the ptr

[cosmic beacon]

WoD CM weapon recolours

Copium

[harsh mason]

I am 1000% sure that there will be nothing with Fyrakk in 10.1.5. They literally made almost a second Deathwing out of him, definitely not to kill him in a mini patch

[upper pasture]

but 10.1.5 with nothing to do with him? i'm sure there will be something.

[harsh mason]

I mean, he won't be in megadungeon as a boss

[obtuse vine]

I wouldnt mind Fyrakk just surviving the expansion and being set up for a while longer as a standalone villain returining in a different expansion perhaps

Like have him lead the remnants of the primalists after Vyranoth (if she dies that is) and iridikron are defeated

Or maybe vyranoth survives out of the bunch who knows, it would be a bit of a waste to kill them all of either way imho

[upper pasture]

i'd bet if any live Vyranoth would be the one. Fyrakk is too chaotic imo

[silent urchin]

quest cutscenes up on wowheads youtube

[rain cave]

same here, vyranoth turning on iridikron for going full monster whilst she has principles or at least realizes she's just being used would be cool. Keeps the primalist faction alive for future bringing back even in small roles.

e.g. they do a world revamp, could have small primalist breakouts in certain areas, much like the naga, legion, scourge, scarlet, used to be as factions

would also be a backdoor into reviving an elemental plotline again if they need it down the line

say she wants to rebuild the cause, get some allies. change things a bit, she could return with new incarnates to be, or new elementals. Even if it's smaller scale