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upper pasture Mar 25, 2023, 4:13 AM

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not that it's everyone or everywhere but my guild literally doesn't care if you play non optimal builds just enjoy yourself

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:14 AM

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That leads to that loot just going whoever sims best with it and that just becomes part of their build with the extra requirements to loot it and win it

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:14 AM

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but yeah kyle I guess another issue with PoE I have is all the work needed to even get a build online

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I have a kind of self defeating logic when it comes to playing games like that

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I'd have the most fun sitting at a training dummy or in combat just testing builds out for a day or two

upper pasture Mar 25, 2023, 4:15 AM

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deep pawn That leads to that loot just going whoever sims best with it and that just becom...

nope, loot is need basis only. in H at first it was need for huge upgrade and greed for slight.

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:15 AM

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then logging off after I've exhausted all the possibilities

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and waiting for more

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it's why I stopped playing warframe, I was just sick of all the tedium from trying to get new things to experiment with

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I do like risk of rain 2 and hades though

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and why I thought torghast was pretty fun all in all

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just had incentive issues

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:16 AM

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If there was a fire and frost ring that did big damage it likely would just go to mages or evokers for example

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:16 AM

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and shamans

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and potentially survival hunters if they could find a frost proc trinket, same with locks there

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:17 AM

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And it'd lead to degenerate stuff like a fire mage using frost bolt on ICD cause of an item rather than it being a fun button to press on it's own

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:17 AM

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to me that rotational change is the fun

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the fact that you're bringing in a button you otherwise would never press

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for a unique damage profile/ style

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:19 AM

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I'd rather them just make that a talent in the class tree

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No gear should be that defining to a class cause either you never replace it which blizzard hates, or it gets nerfed to force you to move on.

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:20 AM

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who says it's defining

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:20 AM

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It's why I'm not huge on tier sets and would prefer passive seasonal bonuses

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:20 AM

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rain cave who says it's defining

I swear if you want people to add spells to their rotation for a 1% dps gain lol

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:20 AM

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it would be more like having multiple tier set-esque play styles to choose from

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:21 AM

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You don't need any of that overly complex and pointless crap over just having fun to play core specs.

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:21 AM

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I just enjoy making crazy builds

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it's why I enjoyed essences, the passive ones

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and corruptions

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and the torghast bonuses

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and soulbinds

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i just hate borrowed power

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but the mechanics they used for them were pretty fun, but the fact they were temporary drove down my will to engage with them

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:23 AM

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What you're suggesting will be inherently temporary by the very nature of a live service game

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:23 AM

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how so

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:24 AM

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Either they keep adding and adding and it becomes a complicated mess, see eq2, or we just go back to what we do know and it gets removed each season or expansion

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:25 AM

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I'd probably tie them to some kind of extra-talent system

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that's just character wide

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not class specific

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and they balance, phase them in and out

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but they aren't like gear that you have to progress

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just simply a bank you grow from doing content, all kinds of content, like essences

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and if they phase one out you still keep it should it come back later, but you can still use it in old content

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basically wild vs standard in hearthstone

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:28 AM

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Meh, that's how d3 tries to shake up seasons with the sets they give you that encourage different builds. Not a fan.

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:28 AM

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wasn't even aware D3 had seasons

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:28 AM

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They'd do better just to try and create real build variety or better, make core specs just enjoyable

ivory meadow Mar 25, 2023, 4:29 AM

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rain cave and if they phase one out you still keep it should it come back later, but you c...

Also, that was how Sunsetting/DCV worked in Destiny 2 and it was... controversial and not fun for most people

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people just didn't like getting shit taken away, phased out, and then redistributed.

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:29 AM

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it happens in a lot of games

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even WoW

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ik what you mean

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but I think it's more of an issue when it comes to literally not being able to get anymore

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instead of being framed as "the current rotation"

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e.g. limited time transmogs that are gone forever should you not be on during that time

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I dislike

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but the core set rotations in HS? fine by me

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can still go and get the old cards and use them for fun

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but the current 'standard' mode is balanced and limited to a refined pool they've designed for us this time

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they've done it with things like M+

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as well as phasing old talents/ systems in and out

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:34 AM

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Meh, eq2 doesn't sunset anything and it just either has a ton of stuff that is pointless or where you're going back and soloing old content for a bunch of stuff that adds up to 5% like in eq1 where new characters have to go do entire expansions worth of end game content for some passives

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Imagine if you had to go back and do all the raid content and story content of MoP including the quest line for when they suddenly make the cloaks relevant again

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:36 AM

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that's not really what I mean

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the ones in current rotation would probably be really easy to get

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if not unlocked for you in some default form

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but if you don't have the phased out ones but still want to use them for some joking about you can still go grab em

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idk

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maybe scrap the idea of them dropping from somewhere

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and just have them as a new system past a certain expansion

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dracthyr_shrug

upper pasture Mar 25, 2023, 4:39 AM

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there would be no time for new stuff if they constantly have to update how to get the old stuff for newer players. you can't expect everyone to go through 20 years of content to be able to play endgame stuff "effectively"

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:40 AM

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hence why I said maybe removing the idea of acruing those from somewhere

upper pasture Mar 25, 2023, 4:40 AM

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so, just have everything unlocked on accounts for no work?

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:40 AM

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and instead work them in as some kind of unique system alongside talents, but the effects that they have are more global

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like relating to fire damage

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or crits

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etc

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or make effects like that kind of part of the rotation of effects

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I just like having fun little interactive effects that change how the game plays, that are more global in scope but combine with the niche specifc effects of the class, so people can build towards them

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and shamans and mages can bond over talking about how to proc their frost/fire effect

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warlocks and DK's discussing the best way to use their shadow/pet damage effects

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like look at the Legion ring that increases auto attack damage, that alone can enable/spawn an entire build for frost DK, fury warr, enhance shaman

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 4:46 AM

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Or it's best and just is the build for however long it's active

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Why not just make the AA build in the tree competitive

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 4:48 AM

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🤷‍♂️

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because I like to make my build stack

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it just doesn't feel the same if it's all within the tree, if there was a talent that said "auto attacks do x more damage" vs an item or effect I picked up that does the same thing

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when I get the extra effect my immediate reaction is to go "OOHH how can I make an entire talent build around exploiting this effect with my current tools"

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whereas talents I just set and forget

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the joy of buildcrafting is removed to an extent

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not saying I dislike talents, there is some great stuff there

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I wish them to do more

opaque pewter Mar 25, 2023, 7:14 AM

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Prople think in extreme. Plus, the fact that all games are pretty much mathematically solved makes it so that people will think the meta item makes the spec and anything else makes it "unplayable". That's the nature of today's gamers.

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 7:39 AM

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Hell just earlier I said I liked how one talent felt over another and got, "your feelycraft has been acknowledged" to dismiss it. If you do not do what's mathematically good for the content you're doing it will meet with derision

upper pasture Mar 25, 2023, 7:40 AM

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don't play with toxic ass people. find like minded people and do content together.

plain violet Mar 25, 2023, 9:59 AM

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I hate those kind of toxicity too.

clear parrot Mar 25, 2023, 10:12 AM

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Yeah, as a Heal main, that's why we are few

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And also the heal concept in wow lol

deep pawn Mar 25, 2023, 7:46 PM

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It's people who play the specs too

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It's very hivemind

rain cave Mar 25, 2023, 8:39 PM

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I really enjoy the buffing/ interaction stuff

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wish we had more of it

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things like paladins damage buff, windfury totem

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PI

plain violet Mar 27, 2023, 1:31 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=408598/teleport-to-evolution-of-dracthyr

Wowhead

Teleport to Evolution of Dracthyr

Teleports the caster. In the Uncategorized Spells category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date with the latest patch.

clear parrot Mar 27, 2023, 2:17 PM

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Wtf is this

crystal pond Mar 27, 2023, 2:34 PM

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Raid thing maybe?

silent urchin Mar 27, 2023, 2:58 PM

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Probably some quest thing

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there's tons of quest teleports

plain violet Mar 27, 2023, 3:17 PM

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Probably a raid thing yes, some items of the dracthyrs experiment have those names also as a PH.

timber shadow Mar 28, 2023, 1:25 PM

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Do new traders post item get their models datamined before a refresh or we just gotta wait till they appear the next month?

subtle oar Mar 28, 2023, 1:30 PM

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timber shadow Do new traders post item get their models datamined before a refresh or we just ...

Gotta wait

timber shadow Mar 28, 2023, 1:32 PM

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subtle oar Gotta wait

I guess we'll get the Medivh stuff, however April 1st... Perhaps a unfreezeable Frostmourne for 1mil tendies..

uncut lintel Mar 28, 2023, 2:37 PM

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OH SHIT

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april first, jokes on us, anything leaked is not real and they remove trading post

ionic terrace Mar 28, 2023, 5:31 PM

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dense plover Mar 28, 2023, 5:32 PM

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what? where?

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awesome

ionic terrace Mar 28, 2023, 5:32 PM

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after the questline in the camp

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i think it might be a week after unlock but not sure

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and misha who you can pet ❤️

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they seem to be rebuilding so maybe could be a plot point?

uncut vault Mar 28, 2023, 6:45 PM

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ionic terrace i think it might be a week after unlock but not sure

It is, theyve been doing these for a few stories since Dragonflight launch

deep pawn Mar 28, 2023, 7:08 PM

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the orc heritage slightly spoiled a side questline in Waking Shores I hadn't finished yet

deep pawn Mar 28, 2023, 7:36 PM

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I mean the existence of Dracthyr technically allows for Naga and Centaur allied races

ionic terrace Mar 28, 2023, 8:03 PM

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ptr shutdown PAUSERS

deep pawn Mar 28, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Sweet

rain cave Mar 28, 2023, 8:42 PM

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deep pawn I mean the existence of Dracthyr technically allows for Naga and Centaur allied ...

give the naga a whole questline around trying to find a way to undo some of their transformation

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now that they're free from azshara

deep pawn Mar 28, 2023, 8:42 PM

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They aren't free

rain cave Mar 28, 2023, 8:42 PM

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surely there must be a group of 'new' naga who were born into her regime after they all transformed

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who didn't agree

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or atleast a group who've realized the error of their ways since she left

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and n'zoth is no longer a perceived threat

subtle oar Mar 28, 2023, 8:56 PM

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ionic terrace

CHEN?!?!

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eyesshaking SGuraExtraSweat

plain violet Mar 28, 2023, 9:03 PM

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Yes, Chen!

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All meeting up again.

deep pawn Mar 28, 2023, 9:08 PM

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I need to do that quest line but I want to do it as a tauren

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Need to grind one up asap

plain violet Mar 28, 2023, 9:09 PM

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I really liked the quest. 😁

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Done it as a Highmountain tauren.

subtle oar Mar 28, 2023, 9:56 PM

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plain violet Yes, Chen!

NEED MORE CHEN!!!!

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And O want Cho to come back

plain violet Mar 28, 2023, 9:56 PM

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😁

subtle oar Mar 28, 2023, 9:56 PM

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Have him explore Azeroth to learn the history

plain violet Mar 28, 2023, 9:57 PM

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Yes, we need more pandarens outside of Pandaria content.

subtle oar Mar 28, 2023, 9:57 PM

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plain violet Yes, we need more pandarens outside of Pandaria content.

💯

plain violet Mar 28, 2023, 9:57 PM

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I am really happy there is dialogues with the og W3 team back together!

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And that the zone "upgraded" a week after the quest, not stuck in a "end quest state"

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but it seem the current dev behind the quests really love to make this, so who knows? Maybe we will see others pandarens, for history or such. Would be nice. 😁

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Cho, Lili, monks...

subtle oar Mar 28, 2023, 10:00 PM

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cough Ji Firepaw... cough

plain violet Mar 28, 2023, 10:01 PM

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Ahah! Both Tushui and Huojin need an upgrade!

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At least "what do they do now"

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They were so much forgotten after MoP. :(

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(like many "allied" races)

subtle oar Mar 28, 2023, 10:03 PM

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plain violet They were so much forgotten after MoP. :(

I haven't wanted to own any of the Exploring Azeroth books until the Northrend one

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BUT

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THE PANDARIA ONE IS COMING AND I AM GOING OT PRE-ORDER THAT

plain violet Mar 28, 2023, 10:08 PM

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subtle oar THE PANDARIA ONE IS COMING AND I AM GOING OT PRE-ORDER THAT

Aha! Temper a bit. 😁
I mean, yeah, I would love the book being an upgrade, but god the Kalimdor one...
And the Northend one was really... stable.
Yet the Pandaria one could be really useful! Explaining some lore, and Pandaria is a really awesome continent that is fit to a "all is well" state after the quests. And talking of the wandering isle (that I really love, skybox elements etc) post Legion !

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And one day we will have the pandaren heritage armor.

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God thanks white transmog did gave us pandaren armors and weapons unavailable for years.

ionic terrace Mar 28, 2023, 10:31 PM

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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-embers-of-neltharion-ptr-development-notes/1541379/7

World of Warcraft Forums

Dragonflight Embers of Neltharion PTR Development Notes

Hello adventurers! The Embers of Neltharion PTR has been updated with the following changes: DRAGONFLIGHT SEASON 2 MYTHIC+ The Vortex Pinnacle is available with this week’s Mythic+ test. There are new affixes and adjusted affixes available for testing. Players can purchase scrolls from the keystone vendor to add to these to their keystone. ...

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build out too

silent urchin Mar 28, 2023, 10:35 PM

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affixes sound ok

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the snare maybe a bit much

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so much stuff that you need to move out of

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Not super interesting though, I don't think

signal bone Mar 28, 2023, 10:40 PM

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those affixes sound awful

silent urchin Mar 28, 2023, 10:44 PM

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I mean I don't think any are particularly fun they're just not as bad as grievous

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other entrances seem to be properly in now

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also client is spamming debug messages again

ionic terrace Mar 28, 2023, 10:46 PM

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YEP

silent urchin Mar 28, 2023, 10:47 PM

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yeah, new entrances work

ionic terrace Mar 28, 2023, 10:51 PM

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Haleh has new vocie lines

silent urchin Mar 28, 2023, 10:52 PM

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seems to be quite a few for various niffen

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couple more quests (and some fixed ones) in loamm

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I think the bartering stuff from Ponzo is new? Although I didn't poke ptr much last week

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Seems like a lot more vendors got fleshed out

ionic terrace Mar 28, 2023, 10:58 PM

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yerp

silent urchin Mar 28, 2023, 11:05 PM

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I think there's a lot more events around, tons of small ones that you only see when close

ionic terrace Mar 28, 2023, 11:06 PM

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heh

clear parrot Mar 28, 2023, 11:15 PM

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ionic terrace

3rd spec hat man

subtle oar Mar 28, 2023, 11:46 PM

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ionic terrace Haleh has new vocie lines

Does Chen?

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/822990865505058837.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

uncut vault Mar 28, 2023, 11:53 PM

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Chen's on live, not PTR

dense plover Mar 29, 2023, 12:24 AM

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@uncut vault

uncut vault Mar 29, 2023, 12:26 AM

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Nice

dense plover Mar 29, 2023, 12:26 AM

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lol

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i beat the wowhead article barely

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zaralek crashed me on entrance

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90% sure they added new music

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sniffenseeking is neat

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this one is a boss with a puzzle

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reward

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ton of resources, 4 barter brick, 57 isles supplies

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its honestly a bit too short and a bit boring

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being limited to 3 times a week, it should feel more rewarding

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its pretty meh and extremely buggy

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does not feel like it was ready for testing

tacit jay Mar 29, 2023, 4:20 AM

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deep pawn Mar 29, 2023, 4:21 AM

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EEEEE, quivers

deft carbon Mar 29, 2023, 8:11 AM

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little funny bug

spring mulch Mar 29, 2023, 9:03 AM

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spring mulch Mar 29, 2023, 9:44 AM

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subtle oar Mar 29, 2023, 1:12 PM

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uncut vault Chen's on live, not PTR

Oh

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Sadge

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So he's just there, no dialog?

tulip sun Mar 29, 2023, 1:19 PM

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subtle oar So he's just there, no dialog?

He has some

harsh mason Mar 29, 2023, 3:41 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=202464/sarkareth#modelviewer
Sarkareth has a unique animation of death, he just falls to his knees. So either there will be a cinematics in which he will die, or he will not die. I mean, there is not always a cinematics at the end of the raid

Wowhead

Sarkareth

Sarkareth is an Elite NPC. The location of this NPC is unknown. In the NPCs category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date.

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There's a separate animation of "death", where he's just on his knees. This was previously the case in 2 cases: Garrosh and Azshara (and both survived their raids)

plain violet Mar 29, 2023, 4:29 PM

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Interesting find!

deep pawn Mar 29, 2023, 4:30 PM

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if there's a way to heal him, Emberthal will want to do it

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We've had dragons infused with weird magic before still be good

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Netherdrakes come to mind.

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Sarkareth is hurt more than evil.

languid yoke Mar 29, 2023, 4:31 PM

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and then we unlock buffthyr

deep pawn Mar 29, 2023, 4:32 PM

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I will be a bit sad if the new spec is stellar void

plain violet Mar 29, 2023, 4:32 PM

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Yeah.. that would be strange.

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But there were plenty of cosmic void stuff.

languid yoke Mar 29, 2023, 4:33 PM

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I still don't believe in new spec, but I'm open to see what happens

harsh mason Mar 29, 2023, 8:54 PM

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I'm not saying that he will necessarily survive, just as long as he doesn't have a corpse animation.

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That is, most likely loot will not be picked up from his body

crystal pond Mar 29, 2023, 8:57 PM

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arcane thing with void effects on it 👀
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=196196/arcane-aberration

Wowhead

Arcane Aberration

The location of this NPC is unknown. In the NPCs category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date with the latest patch.

harsh mason Mar 29, 2023, 8:57 PM

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harsh mason That is, most likely loot will not be picked up from his body

But I don't really imagine that he will survive after what happened to him

harsh mason Mar 29, 2023, 8:58 PM

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crystal pond *arcane* thing with void effects on it 👀 https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=196196...

It's more of a purely cosmic thing

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In 10.1, it's not exactly the same void that we've met before

crystal pond Mar 29, 2023, 9:08 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=177665/tyr

Wowhead

Tyr

The location of this NPC is unknown. In the NPCs category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date with the latest patch.

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He have voice lines :o

uncut vault Mar 29, 2023, 10:58 PM

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He had those in 10.0, since he shows up as a hologram

austere gazelle Mar 30, 2023, 8:36 AM

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harsh mason In 10.1, it's not exactly the same void that we've met before

you mean it's more like... Elunish void / shadow? 😏

uncut lintel Mar 30, 2023, 10:21 PM

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they need to show us april trading post items : D

dense plover Mar 30, 2023, 10:26 PM

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uncut lintel they need to show us april trading post items : D

they wont

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they didnt for march

uncut lintel Mar 30, 2023, 10:29 PM

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sadcat but 2 days away is so far

rain cave Mar 31, 2023, 3:12 PM

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bruh this 3rd spec is basically confirmed

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but I feel they're not announcing it because it's meant to be a surprise?

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like the lordaeron questline and belf questline in SL

plain violet Mar 31, 2023, 3:16 PM

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Yeah now it IS confirmed.

silent urchin Mar 31, 2023, 3:17 PM

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Not sure if it's meant to be a surprise, just maybe not quite for 10.1 launch?

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Could come a bit later

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a support spec which is a pretty big new thing for wow right before a world first race?

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That's a bold move if it happens

rain cave Mar 31, 2023, 3:18 PM

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maybe, but you if it's a new tier launching they'd want to have all the bonuses in place right

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also I think not doing things just because it might make world first not the same shit as it's always been

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isn't really the way to go

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who knows adding a new spec out of the blue might be the kind of thing to make world first kind of interesting

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especially if it's a support spec new playstyle

silent blaze Mar 31, 2023, 3:19 PM

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They make take like the totem way, like windfury and what not

rain cave Mar 31, 2023, 3:20 PM

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we don't have windfury totem equivalent for casters

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so that could be funny to have

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whatever shape that may be

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brings back multistrike as an effect for dracthyr?

crystal pond Mar 31, 2023, 4:17 PM

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Since with debates about new Black Aspect i still have question: for what this model then?

clear parrot Mar 31, 2023, 4:19 PM

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Naked Sabellian scene

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(feat anduin wink wink)

timber shadow Mar 31, 2023, 6:07 PM

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Any news on the inc traders post items?

upper pasture Mar 31, 2023, 6:09 PM

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we dont know until the first

languid yoke Mar 31, 2023, 6:12 PM

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(because blizzard doesn''t like EU)

silent urchin Mar 31, 2023, 6:32 PM

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won't get it til reset tomorrow, about 5am eu time

candid ruin Mar 31, 2023, 6:49 PM

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10.0.7 PTR update Think

silent urchin Mar 31, 2023, 6:55 PM

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probably hotfixes, or a hotfix rollup

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they tend to deploy it to PTR first when they still have it up

glass flicker Mar 31, 2023, 6:58 PM

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crystal pond Since with debates about new Black Aspect i still have question: for what this m...

That's Wrathion.

elder sinew Mar 31, 2023, 7:00 PM

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is the 3rd spec for evoker an april fool ?

upper pasture Mar 31, 2023, 7:01 PM

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doubtful, usually their april fools jokes are contained to that specific day

silent urchin Mar 31, 2023, 7:02 PM

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april fools are never in game files either

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just website/forum

glass flicker Mar 31, 2023, 7:02 PM

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Thunder Clap no longer requires the warrior to be dummy thicc was my favorite April's Fools.

elder sinew Mar 31, 2023, 7:03 PM

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i mean a new spec right in the middle of an xpac what do they expect to be well balanced and its look like a support which means tons of external again

deep pawn Mar 31, 2023, 7:39 PM

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If it's the final FU to power infusion haters I'm here for it

upper pasture Mar 31, 2023, 7:40 PM

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if they do add a 3rd spec to evoker i wonder if it was something they always wanted to have in and didn't have ready for DF launch so they gave us two and wrote it into the story to be unlocked post 10.1 or if it was always planned this way

deep pawn Mar 31, 2023, 7:42 PM

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What better way to ensure hype stays strong for a new class than adding a new spec midway. Especially if it grabs anyone who hasn't tried them yet

upper pasture Mar 31, 2023, 7:43 PM

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very true, i know if it ends up a tank class that will most certainly get my friend to resub since he mains tanks and was sad the new class didn't have it as a spec

deep pawn Mar 31, 2023, 7:43 PM

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It is starting to feel like it'll be 10.1.5 due to lack of testing at this point

upper pasture Mar 31, 2023, 7:43 PM

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they might be testing internally to avoid spoilers

deep pawn Mar 31, 2023, 7:44 PM

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Lowkey surprised we haven't seen any mega dungeon spoilers yet

upper pasture Mar 31, 2023, 7:44 PM

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and NDAs and what nots. seems to have a tight lip when it comes to big leaks nowadays

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yeah, i do wonder when/what the mega dungeon is gonna be

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i really want some time walker shenanigans soon

deep pawn Mar 31, 2023, 7:48 PM

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Mega dungeon would have to be on PTR right after 10.1

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Or before even if they keep the same pace

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They only have 10.1.5, no 10.1.7 on the schedule right?

rain cave Mar 31, 2023, 7:49 PM

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maybe the new spec is what some of the spellbreak team were working on lmao

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giving it all the fancy vfx and game feel

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but yeah considering they've been giving us all this content to kind of eat up

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there's not been any draughts like in SL that cause the community to rip things apart looking for anything new

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wonder if that's why they're confident testing a new spec without ptr. They can bring people in and probably trust the NDA's to hold more

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and the community won't be sniffing around looking for people potentially testing

deep pawn Mar 31, 2023, 8:02 PM

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They definitely leaked just enough to build hype

crystal pond Mar 31, 2023, 8:40 PM

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glass flicker That's Wrathion.

Yeah i know
But for what this model?

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If Blizzard trying to promote Ebyssian and Sabellian, what is the new wrathion model for?

glass flicker Mar 31, 2023, 8:41 PM

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Good question.

crystal pond Mar 31, 2023, 8:42 PM

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||i swear if this was unfinished raid/boss model i gonna scream||

subtle oar Mar 31, 2023, 8:59 PM

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rain cave but I feel they're not announcing it because it's meant to be a surprise?

No chance. If a new spec is coming, it won't be until 10.2 at the extremely earliest or 11.0

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It has to be tested. You can't just surprise launch a brand new spec to a class

rain cave Mar 31, 2023, 9:15 PM

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subtle oar It has to be tested. You can't just surprise launch a brand new spec to a class

I mean, you can

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and it could be being tested

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alternatively it could just be a skin?

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but they're very explicitly setting up something

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even if it's for 10.1.5, since they technically isn't announced yet

deep pawn Mar 31, 2023, 9:15 PM

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They did say there's no more major reworks coming

rain cave Mar 31, 2023, 9:16 PM

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not a rework

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it's new

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if they'd said class changes I'd be more liable to think nah no spec

deep pawn Mar 31, 2023, 9:16 PM

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Yeah, but reworks on talent trees take manhours. If they are focused on a new spec that leaves no time for ret and shadow level stuff

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Plus if augmentation is real, and that comes out this summer, we're heading into when class devs have to start working on 11.0 behind the scene

rain cave Mar 31, 2023, 9:18 PM

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speaking of next expansion potential

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sarkareth takes us to the void right?

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in his boss fight

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or void touched space in some way

split wave Mar 31, 2023, 11:23 PM

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Yo guys i have question about new patch 10.1, do all class will get class weapon? i mean the same like hunter in Vault of the Incarnates?

dense plover Mar 31, 2023, 11:47 PM

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split wave Yo guys i have question about new patch 10.1, do all class will get class weapon...

no evidence of such

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theres an agility spear

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and thats it

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typically only one type of weapon gets a cool proc

split wave Mar 31, 2023, 11:58 PM

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dense plover no evidence of such

how about 2h str wapon?

dense plover Mar 31, 2023, 11:58 PM

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i just told you

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an agility spear

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thats it

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thats what thats it means

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it means theres nothing else

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idk what to tell you

split wave Mar 31, 2023, 11:59 PM

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oh okey

deep pawn Apr 1, 2023, 12:15 AM

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There'll likely be one sometime this expansion. Hell I'm not putting it past Blizzard to redo the Dragon Soul weapons in the last tier

deep pawn Apr 1, 2023, 1:09 AM

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That actually feels like the exact type of nostalgia they'll pull off

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Who's ready for the return of the tendies sword!

rain cave Apr 1, 2023, 1:12 PM

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dense plover i just told you

No there's a 2h str weapon too

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The sword

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That's what's being asked about I think

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We have a polearm and a sword, agi and strength

austere gazelle Apr 1, 2023, 2:30 PM

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not sure the support spec is going live in 10.1. I could see it implemented in 10.1.5, so it leaves time until 10.2 to balance it. Furthermore, it'll also make Dracthyr mandatory for several content, so it has to introduce another support spec for another class

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( at the very least )

subtle oar Apr 1, 2023, 2:32 PM

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austere gazelle not sure the support spec is going live in 10.1. I could see it implemented in 1...

They would not introduce a new spec to a class halfway thru a Season/Tier.

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Earliest we could see it is 10.2

austere gazelle Apr 1, 2023, 2:33 PM

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well, they never did it to begin with. Balancing are made before the release of a raid tier, but once the raid tier is fully done, RTWF finished, and guild are clearing stuff in heroic or mythic... Well, that leaves time to introduce a new spec

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It can even be done in 10.1.7 too

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like with this new ring that can throw class balance into chaos

subtle oar Apr 1, 2023, 2:33 PM

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Definitely not. That throws an entire season into the blender for no reason

austere gazelle Apr 1, 2023, 2:34 PM

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they just introduced new gems with spells that can be OP or not and that were unbalanced in the last patch. It could also have thrown this current season ending into the blender

subtle oar Apr 1, 2023, 2:34 PM

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A ring can not be compared to a New SPEC.

austere gazelle Apr 1, 2023, 2:35 PM

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Anyway, this debate is void , since they never introduced any new spec in the course of an expansion

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We don't know what they'll do

upper pasture Apr 1, 2023, 2:35 PM

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you're acting like they can't do internal testing or testing under an NDA. you're also acting like once they release it they can't tweak it or change anything until the season is over

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not saying it's gonna happen but it could and just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it's impossible

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like look at the ret paladins their rework made them super OP in pvp. so the season is canned eh? no they just toned them down in pvp

subtle oar Apr 1, 2023, 2:37 PM

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The chances of it stealth dropping on 10.1 launch or in 10.1.5/7 are astronomically low. Is there a 1% chance Blizz actually does it? Sure. But I am not a gambling person.

austere gazelle Apr 1, 2023, 2:38 PM

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I agree about 10.1 though. 10.1.5 and 10.1.7 ? not so sure

upper pasture Apr 1, 2023, 2:38 PM

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we aren't saying it's coming in 10.1 just the general statement of it might be coming

subtle oar Apr 1, 2023, 2:39 PM

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It might be coming sure, but I firmly suspect if it is an actuality, that to not expect a brand new spec to be launched until 10.2 at the earliest.

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Especially is it is going to be WoWs first ever Support spec

upper pasture Apr 1, 2023, 2:39 PM

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and that's your opinion. that's okay

subtle oar Apr 1, 2023, 2:40 PM

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It would need extensive testing to make sure it does not become mandatory for raiding

austere gazelle Apr 1, 2023, 2:40 PM

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Pretty sure they are using 0.5 and 0.7 patch to try and test new stuff they can remove at the next major content patch, or improve

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they are changing the way of doing stuff and some move are bold, and appreciable

subtle oar Apr 1, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Oh for sure. I'm glad they are doing stuff like that in-between major patches.

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But something like a new spec dropping in-between patches, and one so speculated to be WoWs first ever Support spec would be insane to drop halfway thru a Tier.

austere gazelle Apr 1, 2023, 2:42 PM

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yeah I agree it's surprising, but since it never happened, we can't know what they'll do :p

upper pasture Apr 1, 2023, 2:43 PM

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the way i see it is it will definitely not coming in 10.1 because that's when the stuff happens that makes emberthal remember their purpose so it wouldn't make sense until the next patch

subtle oar Apr 1, 2023, 2:44 PM

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upper pasture the way i see it is it will definitely not coming in 10.1 because that's when th...

Agreed. I've had arguments in-game with people vehemently believing Blizz are 10000% stealth dropping a new Support spec into the game without any public testing.

upper pasture Apr 1, 2023, 2:45 PM

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like it will not make sense, how would they have time to train other dracthyr if they just remember after the events of the story and or raid. 10.1.5/.7? eh maybe, 10.2 likely or we might not even get it until 11.0 who really knows.

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but what we also don't know is are there a bunch of content creators testing under another NDA? i saw something last night complaining about how streamers "killed" WoW because they got what they asked for and are now not playing WoW all day every day like before

austere gazelle Apr 1, 2023, 2:47 PM

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upper pasture like it will not make sense, how would they have time to train other dracthyr if...

moreover, if a " support " spec is introduced, it'll need more than just Dracthyr to have it.

upper pasture Apr 1, 2023, 2:48 PM

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i mean, the one being hinted in game would only make sense to evoker/dracthyr until other races can be evokers

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but that's not to say we get another class with a similar spec

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but i DOUBT we will get both at the same time

austere gazelle Apr 1, 2023, 2:49 PM

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oh sure, but I'm thinking about DH here. They have two spec, can't be healer but support... that would make something interesting. Considering there is a " Legion " reputation that popped up in the last patch ( nothing say it's burning legion though ) and that we have a huge Titan lore chunk dropped and we know Illidan is with the Titan atm... Any bet can be made

( Im rooting for a " Inquisition " spec )

subtle oar Apr 1, 2023, 2:58 PM

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upper pasture i mean, the one being hinted in game would only make sense to evoker/dracthyr un...

Didnt Blizz come out in a very recent interview saying they could not ever see other races being Evokers, but that they COULD see Dracthyr being other classes?

austere gazelle Apr 1, 2023, 2:59 PM

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subtle oar Didnt Blizz come out in a very recent interview saying they could not ever see o...

Sure but atm all the leak converge to a new specialization. Lorewise its logical that Drachtyr can only be evoker but next expansion once they'll have mingled with mortal races more I bet blizzard will open the way to new classes for them

subtle oar Apr 1, 2023, 3:27 PM

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I think the best way for Blizz here is this:
Selecting Evoker lets you "Pick a Race" sorta speak, as your Visage.

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That way you have the illusion of being another race we'll still actually just being a Dracthyr

deep pawn Apr 1, 2023, 4:25 PM

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Blizzard doesn't care if something is mandatory for raiding

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They design raids around the idea you should want one of each class at the minimum

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Reminder that a support spec in WoW is highly likely to be balanced as a dps spec

split wave Apr 1, 2023, 10:17 PM

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Yo guys do u know any page or youtube channel where i can view predictions about with class will be good in 10.1 (i am in hard progress guild)

rain cave Apr 1, 2023, 10:38 PM

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You can literally argue both ways

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"They wouldn't drop it on 10.1 it would destabilise the rtwf and such"

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"They wouldn't drop it midway through a season and break the season"

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It's never been done before. They're already playing with fire

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Not just adding a new spec is new, adding it mid expac is new too

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There will be toothing problems regardless

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And those aren't going to be the things stopping them from releasing it when they do

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In reality, if they're stealth making it with internal testing and nda. They feel confident they can do that

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It's probably just they'll see if it's in a releasable state for 10.1, if not then 10.1.5

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Alternatively, it could be things meant for 10.1.5 that are in 10.1 by accident or not developed fully

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As they haven't even announced 10.1.5

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When you break it down those are the only two things we need to consider really for its release time. Will it be ready? Or is it just not announced yet.

upper pasture Apr 1, 2023, 11:04 PM

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It’s not gonna come until the story makes sense and if the person who’s the leader of said things is just recalling their purpose in 10.1 we will likely won’t have a playable spec in 10.1

plain violet Apr 1, 2023, 11:22 PM

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I am still curious, we have no advances on the 10.7 scenario this week.

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I supposed we would have a small progress each week but it seem not...

upper pasture Apr 1, 2023, 11:23 PM

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the vault?

plain violet Apr 1, 2023, 11:23 PM

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Oh no, Amadanthia stuff!

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But maybe it's tied yes.

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Like... I would have seen each week a quest about learning more and trying to find a way to liberate her.

upper pasture Apr 1, 2023, 11:24 PM

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yeah not sure, ended up finding out we can complete the vault mount until week 3 so maybe other stuff is stuck behind it

plain violet Apr 1, 2023, 11:24 PM

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You may be right, yeah...

silent urchin Apr 1, 2023, 11:25 PM

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what are we expecting?

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I thought the adamantia follow up was 10.1

upper pasture Apr 1, 2023, 11:25 PM

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i just assumed the story stuff was done for now since we don't really have any quests pending so i assumed if it went anywhere it would be in 10.1

plain violet Apr 1, 2023, 11:26 PM

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I expected some more quest until the 10.1 liberation, yeah...

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But maybe we just have to wait more weeks, or maybe the follow up is directly 10.1 like the datamining as said.

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I don't doubt the liberation will be in 10.1, with or without surprise.

uncut vault Apr 1, 2023, 11:37 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised if they're encrypting anything involved in that after the leaked bits

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in the same way they did with the renown campaigns to a crazy degree after the malfurion dialogue leaked

jade basalt Apr 1, 2023, 11:47 PM

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There's also the whole Blue Dragonflight plot that's not available for testing right now

jade basalt Apr 2, 2023, 12:32 AM

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upper pasture Apr 2, 2023, 12:35 AM

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this is a bad date for this to drop

dense plover Apr 2, 2023, 12:37 AM

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im assuming this is just fake

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since the url doesnt work and yet it has 2 comments

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its a meme

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@jade basalt y u do dis?

tropic trail Apr 2, 2023, 12:40 AM

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who even took the time to make that if it is fake 😭 looks so real

upper pasture Apr 2, 2023, 12:41 AM

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its 100% fake

tropic trail Apr 2, 2023, 12:41 AM

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wish it wasnt uhgugh

jade basalt Apr 2, 2023, 12:46 AM

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The link is dead but there are screenshots

upper pasture Apr 2, 2023, 12:47 AM

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that's because of the date

silent urchin Apr 2, 2023, 12:47 AM

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https://mobile.twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1642257116592504833 there's a couple more images. Not sure if this is the original source, but it's pretty clearly a fake.

Simaia - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturn)

neat, the third evoker spec. wonder how it'll compare to brew monk next season 👀

https://t.co/XGUb7EEFEW<

Likes

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rain cave Apr 2, 2023, 12:50 AM

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look at the rock effect 2nd pic

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hella photoshopped lol

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still well done but

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april fools 4 sure

silent urchin Apr 2, 2023, 12:50 AM

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The random number in the URL is some sort of timestamp or incrementing ID, the current posts are almost 24 million, the fake is only at 1.5 million, it doesn't fit at all

tropic trail Apr 2, 2023, 12:50 AM

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damn

silent urchin Apr 2, 2023, 12:50 AM

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I'm pretty sure it's a real screenshot but using a bunch of toy or other effects

deep pawn Apr 2, 2023, 1:18 AM

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Besides, if that video existed at all, it'd be shared haha

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Regardless, I hope a spec exists that challenges current design some

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Blizzard has said they feel they ran out of ideas for traditional melee and casters. Devastation isn't exactly that unique

ember blaze Apr 2, 2023, 5:55 AM

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deep pawn Blizzard has said they feel they ran out of ideas for traditional melee and cast...

can you link to where they said this?

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honestly I want them to go out there with new designs

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the game already covers just about everything

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and stuff feels like, oh it's just another caster/mage

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but purple

austere gazelle Apr 2, 2023, 8:47 AM

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deep pawn Blizzard has said they feel they ran out of ideas for traditional melee and cast...

Here come Wildstar specialisation gameplay

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and they should pair the trading post with Housing, perfect opportunity

deep pawn Apr 2, 2023, 3:37 PM

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It was in interviews about demon hunter and evoker. Demon hunter only had two specs cause they couldn't think of a third unique one. Evoker they at one point said they waited so long for a new ranged spec because they weren't sure how to make it different

austere gazelle Apr 3, 2023, 12:35 PM

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deep pawn It was in interviews about demon hunter and evoker. Demon hunter only had two sp...

An Inquisition Demon hunter would be neat , support spec that can buff ally and debuff ennemies could do it

silent urchin Apr 3, 2023, 1:02 PM

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if they do somehow pull off a buff/support class then it does open up a few more options

rain cave Apr 3, 2023, 3:56 PM

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these elune weapons from the trading post are interesting

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and whilst they aren't backing up exactly what I've theorized about elune

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they meet me halfway

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one is vibrant the other is withered

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almost drusty

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1st pic is the greens and strong blue we associate with nelfs and elune stuff

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2nd pic isn't even winter queen, it's brown with a green that looks akin to a maldraxxus green or something

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(not saying it's connected to maldraxxus)

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but definetly something to be said about the whole "death in life" cycle

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elune helps things flourish and things wither

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sometimes things have to be pruned so that the whole garden thrives sort of ideaology

deep pawn Apr 3, 2023, 5:22 PM

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holy crap, May 2nd

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https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1642937003242299392?t=TEGVTFdRomTFLGAMspu7EQ&s=19

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Where the Winter Queen is life in death, Elune is death in life.

rain cave Apr 3, 2023, 5:25 PM

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yup

upper pasture Apr 3, 2023, 5:25 PM

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on one hand the WoW logo looks bangin but on the other hand those "u" look too much like "v"

rain cave Apr 3, 2023, 5:25 PM

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that's been my thinking kyle

deep pawn Apr 3, 2023, 5:25 PM

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I mean some languages all W double V

rain cave Apr 3, 2023, 5:25 PM

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french be calling it double v

deep pawn Apr 3, 2023, 5:26 PM

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V and U are similar haha

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This means season 1 was just 5 months

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147 days

upper pasture Apr 3, 2023, 5:28 PM

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I wanna see what a V looks like in that font

deep pawn Apr 3, 2023, 6:22 PM

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any idea what Blues News is?

harsh mason Apr 3, 2023, 6:31 PM

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It is also worth considering that there was enough content between 10.0 and 10.1 (more than, for example, in the same patches 5.3 or 6.1).

austere gazelle Apr 3, 2023, 6:37 PM

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Elune is the goddess of boundaries and crossroads, she is treading in a lot of place at the same time, like Hecate ( imo ), so its not wonder she can wield several forces or is present in a lots of places

deep pawn Apr 3, 2023, 6:58 PM

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I just want to know if every force has their own life goddess

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Order has Eonar

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What would the Light, Void, and Fel versions of that be like

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We already know Light and Void are very Yin Yang more so that even Death and Life

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It could be so much so that Life Light could be about created shaded places so things don't burn away like in Revendreth and Life Void is more akin to fire in a dark cave.

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Or stars in the emptiness

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Life Void being all neon mushrooms that are warm to the touch would be amazing

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Fel Life feels like it'd just be the Botani

little hound Apr 3, 2023, 11:09 PM

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Reading this made my brain spin, might need a few days to cool down.

rain cave Apr 4, 2023, 12:43 AM

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deep pawn I just want to know if every force has their own life goddess

I reckon that it's more like there's some of the forces that seek to control/manipulate it in certain circumstances

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eonar is a lifebinder, she binds life, doesn't create it

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she orders it

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makes it suit the titans goals

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probably the only reason things other than stone and metal are allowed to exist without being blasted from orbit

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the old gods corrupted the emerald dream because it was to fight the titans plans, and we have to assume there's an extra purpose to the dream the gods know about and have a reason to corrupt it

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as well as curse of flesh

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death has winter queen as the counter part to elune because part of that ordered cycle requires things to be recycled

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the VIP's shouldn't be so easily killed, hence the wild gods being able to be reborn

deep pawn Apr 4, 2023, 12:48 AM

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I still think we'll see a pure void life god of some sort, the glowing mushrooms idea would just break up whatever zone we go to

rain cave Apr 4, 2023, 12:52 AM

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I mean, the unknown old god could be more plant themed

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that's an idea that's floating around

deep pawn Apr 4, 2023, 2:07 AM

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So cool, 147 days actually is about the length that Nighthold was a current raid.

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Nighthold was open for 154 days

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Emerald Nightmare was only 120 days but that was our last introduction raid

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Tomb was 161 days

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we're definitely seeing them trying to rematch legion pacing

warped valley Apr 4, 2023, 7:40 AM

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so question about the new crests from enchanting, can anyone tell me if there is going to be a specialization tree they fall under?

austere gazelle Apr 4, 2023, 10:51 AM

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deep pawn I just want to know if every force has their own life goddess

On the Grimoire's cosmos chart the moon is present on the Life ( in the middle with the sun and the moon shape in front of it ) and death side ( orbiting around )
We also know Elune is involved in the creation of the Naaru's somehow, and that Eonar got a link with her ( Elunaria / Tear of Elune as a pillar of Creation )
There is also the shadow side of Elune and the Night warrior stuff who still needs some explanation on how it works, but could be a link with the void realm.

In the end, Elune touches almost everything... Maybe that's why Xal called her an " Upstart Goddess "

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( And if you look at the " chain" the moon is on in the Grimoire Chart and follow that " chain " you'll notice that this chains cross every other cosmic forces. So it could enforce the fact that Elune is the " Goddess of the crossroads that rules from the Planes of Life" where she stays close to her brother she can't leave, or else he'll dies )

austere gazelle Apr 4, 2023, 11:27 AM

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" And more " ?

silent urchin Apr 4, 2023, 11:46 AM

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Well

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they didn't mention new campaign at all

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But there's probably going to be a few encrypted surprises

plain violet Apr 4, 2023, 11:48 AM

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Yeah, the famous conclusion of Adamanthia questline..

austere gazelle Apr 4, 2023, 12:08 PM

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And the Tyr's questline too. I figure he won't stay like this for a whole patch

plain violet Apr 4, 2023, 12:16 PM

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Also that yes!

ember blaze Apr 4, 2023, 2:44 PM

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The more is the new spec. murloc

rain cave Apr 4, 2023, 2:45 PM

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ember blaze The more is the new spec. <:murloc:292763856432791552>

I really hope that the new spec being such a unique thing in terms of how it's being done

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from being secret

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to being mid-expac

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to being just a new spec first time we've had one

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is a good sign of things to come

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new classes would be a pain to balance from now on, I reckon we're at the limit for classes

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but new specs? with the new talent system would be easier to balance

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and can fill out the missing niches

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want a blademaster? new spec for warrior or rogue or something

harsh mason Apr 4, 2023, 3:42 PM

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ember blaze The more is the new spec. <:murloc:292763856432791552>

Yes, a new spec without preliminary testing and at the time of the opening of the raid. Sounds like a plan

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And without class set bonuses

rain cave Apr 4, 2023, 3:51 PM

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harsh mason Yes, a new spec without preliminary testing and at the time of the opening of th...

tbh this is all the more reason for me

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the things that have been best received by the community have been things that have broken up the typical cadence of things

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artifacts were pretty fun, because they were so different, other borrowed power was frowned upon because it became the norm. New talent system shook things up and people enjoyed it. The catalyst was received well because it was a new thing they didn't let themselves be pidgeon holed into the same system every time.

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the surprise questlines in 9.2.5 for undead stuff

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the baine questline

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introducting more customization options

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if the game has to stay to the same "new patch means new raid new campaign new tier" with not much wiggle room, things can stagnate

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I reckon chucking in a complete wildcard would just be fun

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and anyone complaining about it just wants to be competitive at the cost of fun, probably because they've got some investment in being competetive for some reason or another. So it's understandable why they'd be annoyed then, but it still shouldn't stop them from adding things that are just fun.

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lets say a 3rd spec comes out and it's about buffing, and it's completely busted for funneling DPS, since you bring one with a high geared individual of the current meta class or class that works really well

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we'll get clips of people going absolutely super saiyan on bosses or other players

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that will be fun

harsh mason Apr 4, 2023, 4:42 PM

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rain cave the things that have been best received by the community have been things that h...

Most people have a literal hysteria about everything that concerns the balance of classes (and this is an understatement). Blizz can introduce anything that disrupts the rhythm of familiar things, but not in the case of classes and specks. You can't even imagine what kind of hysteria will start if they do something like that

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And even more so when it comes to the tank spec

uncut vault Apr 4, 2023, 5:05 PM

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rain cave the things that have been best received by the community have been things that h...

Tbh I think this is why it’s probably more likely to be a 10.1.5/10.1.7 thing

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Mid/end of season shakeup to keep people engaged, give something new to try out over the 5-6 months of a season

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Especially since we don’t actually discover the stuff regarding Emberthal and her unique role until during the 10.1 campaign

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There’s a lot less potential for disaster if they implement the new spec in a subpatch where the balance team can focus on it, vs a full content patch with a lot more to balance and focus on

deep pawn Apr 4, 2023, 5:08 PM

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10.1.7 is rather empty

upper pasture Apr 4, 2023, 5:20 PM

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"rather empty" or has things they don't want to share yet

rain cave Apr 4, 2023, 5:45 PM

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harsh mason Most people have a literal hysteria about everything that concerns the balance o...

not most people I reckon

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just the most vocal

ionic terrace Apr 4, 2023, 9:16 PM

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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-embers-of-neltharion-ptr-development-notes/1541379/8

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Dragonflight Embers of Neltharion PTR Development Notes

Hello! Here are this week’s updates to the Embers of Neltharion PTR: DRAGONFLIGHT SEASON 2 MYTHIC+ Incorporeal affix is now immune to damage and has more consistent spawn behavior. Developers’ note: The Incorporeal affix plays a similar role to Afflicted, but with emphasis on crowd control utility. A few things we’re hoping to smooth out i...

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build out too

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candid ruin Apr 4, 2023, 9:18 PM

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datamine

upper pasture Apr 4, 2023, 9:21 PM

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uhh....hopefully BoEs or are we seeing accountwide unlocks coming?

ionic terrace Apr 4, 2023, 9:23 PM

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Mythic title is Heir to the Void

upper pasture Apr 4, 2023, 9:23 PM

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YOOOOOOOOO

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that's a cool title

harsh mason Apr 4, 2023, 9:26 PM

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ionic terrace Mythic title is Heir to the Void

Hmmmmmmm

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Nice

silent urchin Apr 4, 2023, 9:33 PM

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Blind eye options have been moved from Eye Color to the new Eyesight customization option. Now all eye colors for all races can be customized to be blind.``` neat

ionic terrace Apr 4, 2023, 9:38 PM

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silent urchin Apr 4, 2023, 9:40 PM

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also new icon for the minor events in the caverns

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from a kiln in loam, presumably new knowledge items for other professions too

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rep also has an icon now

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There's more quests around loam

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including one for fyrakk assaults

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Also what seems like a new weekly to get 1500 niffen rep

candid ruin Apr 4, 2023, 9:52 PM

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silent urchin Apr 4, 2023, 9:53 PM

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blacksmithing stuff seems more implemented now. The belt buckle is just a +stam "enchant"

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weirdly nothing requires the new gathering item

little hound Apr 4, 2023, 10:13 PM

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"Famed SLAYER of Sarkareth".
I guess its confirmed that we DO Kill him, and that he doesn't survive.

candid ruin Apr 4, 2023, 10:13 PM

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~~defeat doesn't always mean kill~~

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oh

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nvm

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im dumb

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SLAYER

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LULW

harsh mason Apr 4, 2023, 10:16 PM

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little hound "Famed SLAYER of Sarkareth". I guess its confirmed that we DO Kill him, and that...

Not a fact https://www.wowhead.com/title=661/famed-slayer-of-azshara

Wowhead

%s, Famed Slayer of Azshara

An account-wide title. Rewarded from an achievement. Added in Classic World of Warcraft. Always up to date with the latest patch (10.0.7).

silent urchin Apr 4, 2023, 10:32 PM

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I'm guessing this carving is spoilers for the vault quests, but cute touch anyway

silent urchin Apr 4, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Neat, there's a repeatable lootable called Smelly Trash Pile that can drop the weekly profession items, like scout packs/dirt

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don't have to go back to old zones specifically for those

upper pasture Apr 4, 2023, 11:26 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/why-just-why-but-why-monkey-gif-14872882

Tenor

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mfw i didn't get speck of bronze dust this week from vault

rain cave Apr 4, 2023, 11:27 PM

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ionic terrace Mythic title is Heir to the Void

yeah I saw

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I wonder what it entails

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if sarkareth will do some kinda big kaboom or something at the end

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and set something free

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or maybe we'll get a friendly tap on the head from whatever void thing is there

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before it scurries off

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like nzoth's mark

upper pasture Apr 4, 2023, 11:36 PM

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silent urchin I'm guessing this carving is spoilers for the vault quests, but cute touch anywa...

hey wait a second is your Voxaian and Veritistrasz not at || Rusza'thar Reach? did they move on from here?||

silent urchin Apr 4, 2023, 11:37 PM

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this is at the dragonscale cavern in zaralek

upper pasture Apr 4, 2023, 11:37 PM

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OHHHHHHHH

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ptr

silent urchin Apr 4, 2023, 11:37 PM

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they're involved with sidequests there

upper pasture Apr 4, 2023, 11:37 PM

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makes sense now lol

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well i'm glad to see them still involved with the story.

silent urchin Apr 4, 2023, 11:38 PM

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not entirely sure if it was new this week because I hadn't done stuff there before

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 11:45 AM

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https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=411370/burrow

Wowhead

Burrow

Burrow beneath the ground, becoming unattackable, removing movement impairing effects, and increasing your movement speed by 50% for 5 sec.When the effect ends, enemies within 6 yards are knocked in the air and take [Spell power * 6.6 * (1 + Versatility)] Physical damage.

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Any idea why it's a PVP talent and where from?

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https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=411349/ebon-might This was also added as uncategorized, in addition from the raid boss one.

Wowhead

Ebon Might

In the Uncategorized Spells category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date with the latest patch (10.1.0).

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This too: https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=411910/healing-well

Wowhead

Healing Well

The Young Storm Dragon summons an emerald healing well, restoring 5% of maximum health every 1 sec to players and creatures standing in the area.

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@uncut vault https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=205958/ensemble-azure-renewal-finery Clearly for the blue dragonflight sidequest that will happen.

Wowhead

Ensemble: Azure Renewal Finery

An item in the Other Consumables category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date with the latest patch (10.1.0).

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I really like that the dress was just conjured into existence.

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https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=206008/nightmare-banner 🤔

Wowhead

Nightmare Banner

An item in the Other Consumables category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date with the latest patch (10.1.0).

uncut vault Apr 5, 2023, 12:02 PM

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plain violet This too: https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=411910/healing-well

I wonder if the storm dragons up in Thaldraszus might end up showing up in the Tyr plot

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Would make for a decent segue into seeing Odyn’s thoughts on the expansion’s events

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 12:05 PM

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uncut vault I wonder if the storm dragons up in Thaldraszus might end up showing up in the T...

I wonder the same, I checked the most recent build for this. As it heal players, it seem clear this is intended for PVE/scenarios purposes. And as you said, Odyn seem to have involvement with the vrykul wyrmkiller we killed in the previous patch...

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That would be neat!

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A confrontation between the Odyn's idea of dragons bad and Tyr ideas of dragons good.

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 12:05 PM

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cry
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=206006/earth-warders-thanks

Wowhead

Earth-Warder's Thanks

An item in the Other Consumables category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date with the latest patch (10.1.0).

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 12:06 PM

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O_o

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Wow, strange.

uncut vault Apr 5, 2023, 12:06 PM

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Gotta wonder if that’s referring to Neltharion in the past, or if we’ll be getting an answer on our new black Aspect in the encrypted campaign

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 12:07 PM

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I don't see Netlharion being really flowery but that would be cute..

uncut vault Apr 5, 2023, 12:07 PM

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Would be a nice moment of kindness for his character in an xpac that is otherwise characterizing him as extremely harsh and uncaring

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 12:08 PM

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You're right about that.

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The expansion really showcase him as.. "was always a bad person"

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And I find it.. somehow conflicting. Him having noble toughts or kind moments would also have been a way to understand his descent into madness and the idea of "black dragons must get their hands messy for the sake of others" we have in the experiments quests with the ghost.

uncut vault Apr 5, 2023, 12:15 PM

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It’s one of those things where I mostly just wish it had been more of a descent into it

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Show him being kind to the dracthyr in the beginning, but progressively harsher and stricter as time goes on

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 12:20 PM

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He was harsh even before aberrus

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Like
Why
Who made this decision to write him like that dracthyr_cry

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 12:23 PM

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Agreed, like.. he was described as someone the dracthyr would refer, respect, lay down their lives during the intro.

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And then "no, he was always an ahole and actually even torturing them"

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Having a kindness, harsher and stricter times goes on, would have been better. Even the stasis, there were some confusion about.

uncut vault Apr 5, 2023, 12:24 PM

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crystal pond He was harsh even before aberrus

Did you see some of the new tablets from yesterdays build? They made him even harsher lol

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 12:24 PM

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I mean, if you do the azure span dracthyr quest, the stasis seem in a rush.

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And in datamined texts, it was even to protect them.

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Neltharion saying he would not seen his dracthyrs being harmed by Malygos, and so the stasis.

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 12:25 PM

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I saw your twitter post yes
And was like "dota's neltharion is a joke i guess"

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 12:25 PM

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But then.. no, he was torturing them. So that was not always planned as writing him as always a bad person. :(

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There is clearly a difference between what was planned and what we got.

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 12:27 PM

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Wrathion writing in Dragonflight wasnt enough so they go to Neltharion character also

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Why

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 12:28 PM

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Aha, could be. ^^'

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Not that good that "black dragons from the past were bad, and they totally become like that on a whim", if we except the adorable Voraxian.

silent urchin Apr 5, 2023, 12:51 PM

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ok after handing in the vase quest this week to veritistrasz, a lot of that side quest line with them in the caverns makes a lot of sense now

rain cave Apr 5, 2023, 12:54 PM

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But we haven't seen any pre corruption deathwing

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Pretty much

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Every time we've heard about or seen neltharion that was during his whispers phase

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Which would explain some of his harshness

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 12:55 PM

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rain cave But we haven't seen any pre corruption deathwing

If you wanted to see good Neltharion then sorry there is none

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Porter posted it on twitter

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 12:56 PM

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We never heard except from OOC sources, for the pre Neltharion.

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 12:57 PM

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First one before Aberrus
Second one before dracthyrs

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 12:57 PM

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He was described, out-universe, as a really noble dragon who shaped the earth to benefit the mortals races and could teach shamanism to drogbars.

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(before enslaving them)

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 12:57 PM

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crystal pond First one before Aberrus Second one before dracthyrs

Pretty official now ||cry||

rain cave Apr 5, 2023, 12:58 PM

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It seems like he even in whispers phase would start on noble ventures that got corrupted over time

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And he probably has some self awareness of that

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Driving him even madder

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Since he could see himself losing grip

clear parrot Apr 5, 2023, 12:59 PM

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There was a theory about the potential love Neltharion had for Strasza

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According to the books we find on the shores and the other on the vaults

rain cave Apr 5, 2023, 1:00 PM

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Oh that reminds me

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Sinestra is lurking

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Somewhere

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Somehow

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 1:01 PM

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He wanted to make her and Ysera his mates in WotA

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And btw in WotA it was sayed that "if he was a red he will be Alex prime consort for sure"

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So hey dracthyr_tea

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 1:03 PM

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rain cave Sinestra is lurking

If they didnt forgot about her and didnt retcon that she is dead dead

rain cave Apr 5, 2023, 1:10 PM

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It was said somewhere she's alive

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For dragonflight

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Not like an old lore thing

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It was recent I think

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 1:13 PM

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It was in legion that some twilight dragon in deepholm said that she can hear sinestra voice

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But hey it can be also nzoth who knows dracthyr_tea

rain cave Apr 5, 2023, 1:17 PM

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Perhaps she was animated with shadow flame

ember blaze Apr 5, 2023, 1:23 PM

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plain violet Any idea why it's a PVP talent and where from?

third spec pvp talent murloc

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 1:25 PM

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Aha I doubt but that is strange!

ember blaze Apr 5, 2023, 1:26 PM

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@plain violetit's a shaman pvp talent

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plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 1:33 PM

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ember blaze <@188632731389788161>it's a shaman pvp talent

Oh, thanks you! <3

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Really a interesting idea.

harsh mason Apr 5, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Neltharion has always been tough (he is the keeper of the earth, lol, he is responsible for protecting the entire planet). But he wasn't evil. Being childish and evil are two different things. If it is necessary to create an army, conduct cruel experiments, he is obliged to do it. Otherwise, he is not the guardian of the earth, but a kiss of flowers and squirrels

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Neltharion, in view of his status, simply does not have the right to be gentle and kind

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Well, you also need to take into account that in the time of Neltharion, the time was completely different: at the time of the game, there are many who play the role of protection for the planet. Then there was only one such person-Neltharion. Just think about it: one dragon has the responsibility to protect the planet.

rain cave Apr 5, 2023, 2:22 PM

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yes

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the reason he made something such as aberrus was probably originally to experiment on the things he was literally protecting the earth from

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to discover new things

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new ways to defend the planet

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but that ended up getting twisted as the whispers continued, eventually that goal warped

austere gazelle Apr 5, 2023, 2:25 PM

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rain cave Sinestra is lurking

There are also those whole Twilight and Black drake on the island expedition that want to find the dragon isles.

harsh mason Apr 5, 2023, 2:32 PM

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Keeper of magic, keeper of time, keeper of life, keeper of the emerald dream-these statuses pale against the background of what task lay before Neltharion.

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Initially, Tyr's mistake was that one dragon was given such responsibility

austere gazelle Apr 5, 2023, 2:47 PM

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rain cave but that ended up getting twisted as the whispers continued, eventually that goa...

Maybe he saw the threat of the Old Gods and the void and tried a move to get rid of them and protect Azeroth from the void, but it corrupted him. truth is, if the titans hid the existence of the OG from the Earth Warder, I could understand why Neltharion would be pissed against Tyr and the Keepers.

rain cave Apr 5, 2023, 2:48 PM

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I mean he had the most important charge from the keepers/titans

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the titans overall probably don't give 2 fucks about the life on top of the earth

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what they're really looking for is the creamy middle of the egg that is azeroth

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which is in the earth

austere gazelle Apr 5, 2023, 2:49 PM

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rain cave what they're really looking for is the creamy middle of the egg that is azeroth

and whatever is with her , cause I suspect she's not alone

rain cave Apr 5, 2023, 2:49 PM

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tbh that could be an interesting twist

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twin world souls

austere gazelle Apr 5, 2023, 2:50 PM

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rain cave tbh that could be an interesting twist

Earthmother tale state that she fought the " Darkness" and trapped it within the earth and went to sleep or whatever

rain cave Apr 5, 2023, 2:50 PM

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yeah there is also that

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 2:59 PM

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austere gazelle and whatever is with her , cause I suspect she's not alone

Imagine if azeroth is actually a twins 💀

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One is infused with void and other with order
But in general they both have elemental beginning

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 3:22 PM

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About Neltharion: its okay if he was harsh because of his responsibility, but blizzard clearly making him an ahole in dragonflight (i dont know for what)
He was described as wised and most respected of all aspects
Yet
He was harsh to his flight
He was very harsh to his subjects
And he was even harsh to his own children
Neltharion rule over his flight was literally total control and fear, and not respect and wisdom (as it was described in books)
There is a line between being harsh because of your responsibility and being harsh because of fear of future threats
Before Dragonflight Neltharion was described as the first thing, but in Dragonflight its is clear second one

And its ruining his character that wasnt like that in books
Like
I cannot see the difference between him and deathwing

being harsh af - check
doing mad things - check
pist on the titans? - check
his flight was in fear to argue with him - check

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And there is a difference of being smart and being wise

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Sorry for long text dracthyr_lulmao

rain cave Apr 5, 2023, 4:16 PM

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crystal pond About Neltharion: its okay if he was harsh because of his responsibility, but bl...

that's the thing though we haven't heard from him in a state where he wasn't already on his way to madness

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we've not interacted with an uncorrupted neltharion yet

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even if it's just through recordings or somesuch

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 5:05 PM

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I would disagree with this, everytime we find recordings of him,for exemple the dracthyr quest in the waking shores, it's "oh no, he was always like this finally"

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The quest is litteraly us finding out he was always like this/planning this, mere tools, etc.

upper pasture Apr 5, 2023, 5:49 PM

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i mean, do we have any info on if anything we've seen so far is pre-whispers from the old gods. from my understanding his paranoid/disgruntled demeanor is because of the old gods "wearing him" down. which if you were constantly being annoyed by a threat telling you "everyone you love/care for is gonna turn on you or die" it would be very easy to become seemingly "harsh/mad" all the time

crystal pond Apr 5, 2023, 5:55 PM

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Acutally we have aberrus

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In aberrus his echo litteraly saying "why you resist?"

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And since it officially was stated by blizzard that his fight will be like a stages from noble earth warder to deathwing

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I mean dracthyr_tea

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Also dont forget that whole his corruption thing was described only in one book
All others dont do that

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Its a poor writing on Neltharion in DF because
Dracthyrs actually respected him
Dragons respected him
And even his flight respected him
And then we having those opposite information about how shitty and ahole he was
How he probably willingly went into madness, how his rule was fear and control, and that he have no restraint toward his subjects
And all of this was ignored by Aspects who was surprised that Neltharion betrayed them
Wtf is that

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Noble, wise and most respected of all Aspects

clear parrot Apr 5, 2023, 6:19 PM

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Basically he's a cis white male

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Evilest creature in 2023

plain violet Apr 5, 2023, 6:56 PM

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crystal pond Its a poor writing on Neltharion in DF because Dracthyrs actually respected him ...

Yes, that totally cover the "nobobdy would have seen that"

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If he was always constantly a ahole.. there would be no surprise of him turning that way.

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And that make him worse than he always was abusive but everyone strangely didn't see it, and make even no use of the corruption aspect.

upper pasture Apr 5, 2023, 7:00 PM

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I mean, who’s saying he “probably willingly” went to madness. Also who said that bold text too? I mean it could be someone who is ignoring facts to twist how people view the aspects

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Or they are even ignorant of the fact that the aspects themselves didn’t know that he was corrupted (which well as far as we know they didn’t)

dense plover Apr 5, 2023, 7:07 PM

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neltharion frequently kept to himself

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and the other aspects didnt check on him

upper pasture Apr 5, 2023, 7:07 PM

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And seemingly the only one that would have known about the Dracthyr too had also gone mad and was killed by us

dense plover Apr 5, 2023, 7:08 PM

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so when he began to hear the whispers, no one was there to stop it

upper pasture Apr 5, 2023, 7:09 PM

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The titans appointed someone who was noble and a military genius. It’s just he wasn’t fit for the job or it’s not a job one person/dragon can bare.

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It’s likely the only way forward would to have a group of protectors. Instead of just one and not let one individual bare the whole weight of the world

subtle oar Apr 5, 2023, 7:59 PM

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upper pasture It’s likely the only way forward would to have a group of protectors. Instead of...

Well yeah. He physically felt the weight of the planets crust upon every inch of his body

upper pasture Apr 5, 2023, 8:03 PM

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Yes, that is known.

stray harbor Apr 5, 2023, 9:29 PM

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Did I read that right? That its cross-faction party now?

upper pasture Apr 5, 2023, 9:32 PM

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there's been cross faction parties since season 4 of SLs but it's limited to instanced content

stray harbor Apr 5, 2023, 9:35 PM

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i see, thank you

dense plover Apr 5, 2023, 10:59 PM

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these things have a new icon

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lol this responds to the type of attack used

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looks like digs are now done via finding maps

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which im guessing have new locations each week

silent urchin Apr 5, 2023, 11:10 PM

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you can do 3 a week or so. I did a couple and they're.. mostly a bit tedious tbh

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maps seemed common enough, I think I got one from the weekly and another from some other event

whole barn Apr 5, 2023, 11:44 PM

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quick question. Do we know which Enchanting specialization will need to be maxed out to craft the new shadowcrests?

silent urchin Apr 5, 2023, 11:53 PM

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I don't think any. It's not got a quality associated with it, so you just need the base skill to learn the recipe

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Yeah, just regular recipes

dense plover Apr 6, 2023, 12:18 AM

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silent urchin you can do 3 a week or so. I did a couple and they're.. mostly a bit tedious tbh

no changes in this build?

silent urchin Apr 6, 2023, 12:19 AM

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Dunno, didn't try it last week

dense plover Apr 6, 2023, 12:33 AM

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ah

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ill give it another try

dense plover Apr 6, 2023, 4:51 AM

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they increased the WQ ilvl

dense plover Apr 6, 2023, 5:07 AM

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ok niffen digs are WAY better reward-wise

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i got 16 glowspores, 57 supplies, and a sunless cowl which is a veteran 1/8 upgradable item starting ilvl 402

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this item takes flightstones and whelpling shadowflame crests to upgrade

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and you need drakes crests too for the higher ilvls

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crests also now say where you can get them

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curious if i can get that level of loot each map so im gonna use my 2nd

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the 2nd one was crafting reagents

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and 4 barter bricks

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idk what those are worth

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well 5 gets another map

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3rd one gave 250 niffen rep token

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which IS account bound

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and tbh a decent amount of rep since their weekly is 1000

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i wish these were a bit longer

uncut vault Apr 6, 2023, 5:24 AM

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is your test character max renown, or is that just an always thing?

dense plover Apr 6, 2023, 5:24 AM

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i do not have max renown on anything

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also it seems each unique map you complete adds a new thing to the area around myritt

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seems like theres various sets of goodies

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and im guessing which you get is random

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theres a 2nd flight master for some reason

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not a 2nd

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they moved it down here

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fyrakk assault has a map icon

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hot tip - flight master flights are SO slow out of the caverns

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you can see stuff from a distance - no sudden phase in

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mayla and baine are here

dense plover Apr 6, 2023, 5:51 AM

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these feel very cata

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i like it

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icon changes when fyrakk is angry

uncut vault Apr 6, 2023, 5:58 AM

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@dense plover seeing baine kick around a massive fucking dragon was hilarious lol

dense plover Apr 6, 2023, 5:58 AM

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completing that stage and killing the big boss is super rewarding

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i like the upgrade system - i wish it didnt take bag slots and i wish flight stones came from quests

uncut vault Apr 6, 2023, 6:05 AM

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Yeah theyre running into a bit of the artifact power issue again

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10.0.7 has so much ridiculous bag bloat

dense plover Apr 6, 2023, 6:06 AM

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uncut vault 10.0.7 has so much ridiculous bag bloat

just make them currencies or give me more slots

uncut vault Apr 6, 2023, 6:11 AM

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tbh I think WoW could benefit from FFXIV's quest bag, a totally separate inventory tab specifically for quest items

upper pasture Apr 6, 2023, 6:13 AM

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i mean they already do it for some items and not others for some reason

deep pawn Apr 6, 2023, 6:23 AM

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The problem is they don't like everything being currencies, and in particular, crafting things can't be

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like crests are reagents

upper pasture Apr 6, 2023, 6:24 AM

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yes, that's fine but like how about the other billion things that don't need to be like dragon shards

deep pawn Apr 6, 2023, 6:26 AM

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how else is everyone gonna hear you looted one if it wasn't a drop /s

upper pasture Apr 6, 2023, 6:26 AM

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instead of looting an item it can just tell them i earned one

dense plover Apr 6, 2023, 6:27 AM

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tbh - a separate bag for soulbound stuff like this would work great

upper pasture Apr 6, 2023, 6:28 AM

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i think a account bound stash like D3 would be great too but would definitly need to be balanced

ember blaze Apr 6, 2023, 7:00 AM

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has there been no new interesting datamined stuff around dracthyr? 🤔

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like the voicelines wowhead found last week

deep pawn Apr 6, 2023, 7:01 AM

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hmm, so is the quest for Splintered Spark of Shadowflame weekly or every other week at first?

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the ptr lags me so much and I don't know why

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it has no addons

rain cave Apr 6, 2023, 5:36 PM

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just realized

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have we had any underwater titan facilities? or any references to greek gods that I'm just mind blanking on (from titans)

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since I'm running through ulduar for a mog/mount run

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and there's all the stained glass showing the keepers, and the old gods

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who's he?

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there's also a mermaid woman and 2 baby mermaids

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uncut vault Apr 6, 2023, 5:38 PM

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rain cave have we had any underwater titan facilities? or any references to greek gods tha...

There’s the one from the priest class mount quest near the maelstrom

rain cave Apr 6, 2023, 5:39 PM

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uncut vault Apr 6, 2023, 5:39 PM

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Though you can argue that wasn’t truly underwater lol

rain cave Apr 6, 2023, 5:39 PM

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this is one of the old god windows

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interesting

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it's repeated twice but

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stands out to me

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xal'atath? perhaps

deep pawn Apr 6, 2023, 10:50 PM

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So what's the odds we are 10.1.5 on PTR the week after raid testing ends.

silent urchin Apr 6, 2023, 10:55 PM

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I don't think we'll see that til after 10.1 goes live

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Mostly for spoiler reasons, there's going to be a few surprises encrypted til release/raid cleared, at the very least

upper pasture Apr 6, 2023, 10:56 PM

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i'd bet prolly a week or two after 10.1 drops

deep pawn Apr 6, 2023, 10:57 PM

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It can't be long if they are going to try again to squeeze two patches between now and what I am expecting a late October 10.2

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Feels like they want the third raid done before blizzcon and the 11.0 announcement

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10.3 will likely be in depth at blizzcon too

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If season 2 is the same length as season 1 we're looking at Oct 3rd roughly for 10.2

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Only thing that downplays that is blizzard says 10.1.7 is supposed to come in the fall which for them is normally after Sept 20

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The latest a pre blizzcon race could start is like the 24th but 10th or 17th more comfortable gap. Post Blizzcon would be Nov 13.

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This of course presumes Blizzcon is this year and not January

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Though I swear they posted it's supposed to happen this year

upper pasture Apr 6, 2023, 11:19 PM

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yeah pretty sure they said it would be returning but not sure if it was 2023 or just "were returning"

subtle oar Apr 6, 2023, 11:26 PM

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deep pawn This of course presumes Blizzcon is this year and not January

They already confirmed Blizzcon is returning this year

deep pawn Apr 6, 2023, 11:33 PM

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So yeah, that basically leaves November at this point

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Their traditional weekend

deep pawn Apr 7, 2023, 7:06 AM

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What do you guys think Blues News today will be?

upper pasture Apr 7, 2023, 7:40 AM

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blues getting to talk about certain things on their projects to generate hype.

ember blaze Apr 7, 2023, 9:44 AM

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deep pawn What do you guys think Blues News today will be?

austere gazelle Apr 7, 2023, 9:53 AM

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" NelthariAn " ?

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sounds fake

austere gazelle Apr 7, 2023, 9:54 AM

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deep pawn What do you guys think Blues News today will be?

where is it stated that blues will give us a new today?

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 10:26 AM

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ember blaze

It's Neltharion.
Black Dragonflight magic is more likely to be used for tanking and I'm up for the first mail tank.
Why not keep the naming conventions?
Devastation, Preservation?
Procrastination!

ember blaze Apr 7, 2023, 10:29 AM

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austere gazelle " NelthariAn " ?

yeah it's just a pic that taliesin had in his vid

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im just memeing

ember blaze Apr 7, 2023, 10:29 AM

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glass flicker It's Neltharion. Black Dragonflight magic is more likely to be used for tanking ...

I honestly do not want a tank spec

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unless they go crazy with a new way of tanking

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otherwise it will just end up as something nobody ends up playing aside from already existing tanks switching over

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if it's any good

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 10:35 AM

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Can imagine having an earth elemental pet and just casting and buffing it while on the sidelines.

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Since Evokers are purely an intellect class.

silent urchin Apr 7, 2023, 10:39 AM

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I'm half expecting it to not be a combat spec at all, but something entirely left field

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the whole veritistrasz/voraxian quest line has me wondering

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 10:43 AM

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Honestly I'd be more interested in a third DH spec similar to Alari the Souleater.

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Massive polearm, pulling the souls out of people to fight them in a weakened state.

ember blaze Apr 7, 2023, 11:00 AM

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glass flicker Can imagine having an earth elemental pet and just casting and buffing it while ...

now youre just bordering an ele shaman

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which would be a slap in the face considering they have an earth ele, use earth magic, and they want that old classic tank to come back 🤔

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:29 PM

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glass flicker Honestly I'd be more interested in a third DH spec similar to Alari the Souleate...

That's what I've been calling out for years

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Its obvious that alari is the remnants of whatever third spec they were trying

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The way her quests and character are done feel so much like they had her as a mechanics introduction but then had to rekit it

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Personally I reckon they could do it now if they redid the premise sightly

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Slightly

plain violet Apr 7, 2023, 12:31 PM

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Agree with Alari being the remnants.

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That could even be something added not in the intro, but once in Mardum.

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:33 PM

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I think they didn't do it because having a single spec using a different weapon type would feel weird.

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But then again, they did it with survival hunter.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:34 PM

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"As the threat of the legion well and truly dissipates into the past, the demon hunters of the illidari search for new ways to apply their skills. Short on members after the invasion and the burning of teldrassil, the wardens reluctantly reach out to them to see if their talents for soul trapping could assist in their efforts, filling a weakness their prison had before"

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:34 PM

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glass flicker But then again, they did it with survival hunter.

And frost dk in legion

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Enhance too

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:34 PM

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Sorta true.

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But then again, frost did better with 1H weapons anyway.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:35 PM

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Sadly

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:35 PM

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Double rune is better than only Razorice which you already need for half your kit.

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It's basically throwing away an option.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:35 PM

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Was so glad they brought back 2h frost

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:36 PM

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It's inferior to dual wield.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:36 PM

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The most iconic frosty dk thing is frostmourne

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:36 PM

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Also tbh.

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I feel like Blood should have been the dual wield spec.

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It's a parry tank.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:36 PM

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Give it to them all

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:36 PM

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You'd find it easier to parry with two weapons.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:37 PM

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Unholy having a more unhinged dps option

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:37 PM

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I don't play unholy. At all. Hate it.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:37 PM

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Embrace the savagery of your ghoul

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Yeah I'm not a fan of death coil

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:37 PM

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Even if Frost deals only 10% the damage of Unholy, I won't play it.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:37 PM

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I like the zit popping though

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:38 PM

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I prefer pressing anything that glows than popping pimples on people and dragons™

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:39 PM

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I'd play frost if they fixed frost strike animation

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:40 PM

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What's wrong with it?

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:40 PM

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Still uses the older style racial ones

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In bfa it had a custom animation

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Like a more traditional 1h animation

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:40 PM

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Not for my human female. Just does the Cleave animation.

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That's with 2H.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:41 PM

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Yeah the better olaystyle

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Play*

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:41 PM

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Obliterate looks weird with dual wield though.

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Does the Condemn overhead strike.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:41 PM

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But my void elf looks so stupid

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Doing frost strike

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:42 PM

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Void elves look stupid in melee by default.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:42 PM

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The stupid jumping

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Twsting

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:42 PM

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Jump spin strike. xD

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:42 PM

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Yup

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They can look good in melee

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Rogues work

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:42 PM

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Rogues work, but anything 2H doesn't.

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The 2H idle animation on belf/velf males is horrible imho.

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And the female one looks like they can't even hold the weapon.

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Too heavy.

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 12:43 PM

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Hurts my wrists thinking about it

glass flicker Apr 7, 2023, 12:44 PM

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The best 2H melee idle belongs to draenei females imo.

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It just looks clean.

subtle oar Apr 7, 2023, 5:16 PM

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glass flicker The 2H idle animation on belf/velf males is horrible imho.

Pandas have the best animations in the game

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:3

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rooSipping

rain cave Apr 7, 2023, 5:21 PM

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subtle oar Pandas have the best animations in the game

I'd say the female panda casting animations look a bit jank when you start spamming skills

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but they do work for other spells

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also unfortunate that male panda is going to look strange in mogs because of their proportions

deep pawn Apr 7, 2023, 7:42 PM

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Still waiting on whatever blues news is

silent urchin Apr 7, 2023, 7:46 PM

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Did they say something was coming today?

upper pasture Apr 7, 2023, 7:49 PM

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its just the recap of blue posts of late

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https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23938058/blues-news-april-7-2023?fbclid=IwAR3s7OxDtXV4fIs6YW3ZUhwzEeMMXDXAsNCGB2h6C-UNWUWaQi3yAkBn4ck

World of Warcraft

Blues News: April 7, 2023 - WoW

Stay up to date on all the latest discussions when you join us each week as we round up some of the top blue posts and discussions from the official World of Warcraft forums.

silent urchin Apr 7, 2023, 7:51 PM

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Ah makes sense

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there are some weird people out there who don't get a ping the second a post goes out on wowhead, so having a summary on their own site is good

deep pawn Apr 7, 2023, 7:58 PM

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Aww, I was hoping for an announcement type thing but this type of recap is great for people who don't use wowhead

uncut lintel Apr 8, 2023, 8:30 PM

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do we know evoker spec yet

silent urchin Apr 8, 2023, 8:34 PM

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No

deep pawn Apr 8, 2023, 10:03 PM

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It's not coming in 10.1 at least. We haven't even tested the Adamanthia quest line even

rain cave Apr 8, 2023, 10:48 PM

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deep pawn It's not coming in 10.1 at least. We haven't even tested the Adamanthia quest li...

we don't know that necessarily

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neither confirmed nor denied

deep pawn Apr 8, 2023, 10:50 PM

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They had us test all of the 10.1 story no?

rain cave Apr 8, 2023, 10:50 PM

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they kept the blood elf and undead quests secret until they launched

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or at least untested

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even if we knew something was there

silent urchin Apr 8, 2023, 11:01 PM

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last 10.1 chapter isn't testable

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although I dunno if that's bugged or intentional

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the final quests of the chapter before it have real weird stuff going on with questgiver locations

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When you finish it you see ebyssian get a quest marker briefly as he despawns

deep pawn Apr 8, 2023, 11:12 PM

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That last chapter could be related

mossy meteor Apr 9, 2023, 12:32 AM

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probs wont get it until 10.2

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or .3

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if .3 happens

uncut vault Apr 9, 2023, 1:43 AM

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deep pawn They had us test all of the 10.1 story no?

there's a ton of 10.1 story not testable

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only the main campaign up to the raid is available

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nothing on the tyr storyline or the blue dragon storyline

silent urchin Apr 9, 2023, 2:14 AM

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"up to the raid" is still 6/7 chapters. It's pretty much just the epilogue one that isn't testable

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presumably one or more cinematics post raid that'll contain the big event that the epilogue refers to

dense plover Apr 9, 2023, 2:31 AM

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uncut vault nothing on the tyr storyline or the blue dragon storyline

Think they added the blue storyline last patch

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I got a kalecgos quest on login

uncut vault Apr 9, 2023, 2:37 AM

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From the center area? thats just for the fyrakk assaults

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all the blue dragon NPCs are encrypted

subtle oar Apr 9, 2023, 2:38 AM

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rain cave we don't know that necessarily

No chance of a new spec being stealth dropped lol

rain cave Apr 9, 2023, 4:06 AM

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subtle oar No chance of a new spec being stealth dropped lol

I mean, some chance

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they're currently on a streak of doing things we never thought they'd do

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that's been their entire design goal for like the past year

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up-end the stagnation of WoW by doing out of left field stuff that they haven't tried

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the thing that's just odd about the new spec is sure I don't see the old blizzard stealth dropping it, it has some potential issues there

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stealth drop on 10.1

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but the weird part is that then why are we datamining stuff relating to it

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if it's not planned for 10.1

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usually there's only like, 1 remnant of something meant for a future patch accidentally in there

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the 10.1 underground string

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the 10.2 emerald dream glaive

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the undead/belf questlines we only guessed when that patch was on ptr

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not before

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etc

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so why are we seeing questline traces now? for 10.1

upper pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:10 AM

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I wouldn’t say zero chance but I’d say 0.01% chance a new spec will drop without story progression. It will literally make zero sense if dracthry get their black dragon powers back in the story and then suddenly all evokers can use it on launch of 10.1 but if they story tells of them getting their powers back then say 10.1.5/10.1.7 or 10.2 we get the spec it makes a lot more sense

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All in all it doesn’t make sense for us to get a new spec for evokers until after 10.1.

rain cave Apr 9, 2023, 4:11 AM

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well I can see it making sense

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for 10.1

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but I do agree it feels like more of a .5

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or .7 sort of thing

upper pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:12 AM

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For the story telling part yes but not the player aspect of it

rain cave Apr 9, 2023, 4:12 AM

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since it would keep that patches content cycle going longer

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instead of condensing it

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people will pick a class to raid 10.1

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then come back and play evoker instead when the new spec comes out in a 10.1.5 or .7

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generates 2 spikes instead of 1

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but that brings me back to the question of

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why are we seeing the quests for it now then?

upper pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:13 AM

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Because the story has to take place before we will get the spec if there is one

rain cave Apr 9, 2023, 4:13 AM

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the story is the questline is it not though

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or do you think they will foreshadow it

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in the quests

upper pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:14 AM

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Because it’s not our characters but the leader of that sect of evokers relearning their purpose/power

rain cave Apr 9, 2023, 4:14 AM

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so more of like how other warlocks used fel fire before warlocks got it?

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dark rangers existed before hunters/elves got it

upper pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:15 AM

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Which if it is a planned 3rd spec we would need someone to teach it to us before we can learn it

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It would make literally zero sense for us to log in on 10.1 and boom here you go new spec no background. Have fun

rain cave Apr 9, 2023, 4:15 AM

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well there would be the quests

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to unlock it

upper pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:16 AM

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No one likes to be “forced” to do content for things

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Blizzard would be out of their minds to lock it behind a quest chain no matter how small it is

rain cave Apr 9, 2023, 4:16 AM

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greenfire is a questline

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dark ranger

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heritage

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artifact

upper pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:16 AM

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Cosmetic

rain cave Apr 9, 2023, 4:17 AM

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soulbinds

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etc

upper pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:17 AM

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And how well received was soulbinds?

rain cave Apr 9, 2023, 4:17 AM

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this 3rd spec is looking to be very unique, so to me it makes complete sense to lock it behind a questchain that teaches it to you

rain cave Apr 9, 2023, 4:17 AM

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upper pasture And how well received was soulbinds?

well the mechanic I liked, not the questing

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but people like greenfire quest

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artifact quests

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heritage quests

upper pasture Apr 9, 2023, 4:17 AM

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Cosmetics

rain cave Apr 9, 2023, 4:18 AM

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not artifact

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or HoA

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those are power based