beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

thats definitely a full size zone

[signal bone]

that outdoor mail set is cool

[echo sandal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/691377432929894410/1083102326191038574/dragonflight-10-0-7-p1.png

incarnates

[dense plover]

oh interesting

they have humanoid forms

but theyre not based on other creatures like the dragons are

[dense plover]

where is this from?

[austere gazelle]

leaked stuff. Not supposed to be seen yet

[echo sandal]

apparently someone leaked a screenshot of the 10.0.7 cinematic

but we are in spoilers channel so i thought its okay to post

[dense plover]

i love how they look

[echo sandal]

same!

apparently the cinematic is mostly about them discussing what to do againts us, the ice and fire one just wants to kill us right now but the Earth one, Iridikron tells them that its not that easy and they have to prepare (finally a villain that doesnt think we are random NPCs)

[dense plover]

considering he isnt supposed to be the boss we fight until 10.3 maybe 10.4 if they decide to go back to 4 major patches, that makes sense

[echo sandal]

Fyrakk is about to rally the Djaradin in the next patch, i wonder who the frost one will try to rally/recruit to their cause?

[dense plover]

they might think they can do it themselves

or they might be a better listener than it seems fyrakk is

[ionic terrace]

.7 ptr offline

it's the old news now but yeah haha

[harsh mason]

Raszageth did not live up to its humanoid form...

[upper pasture]

did we ever see her humanoid form?

ohhh

nvm

[harsh mason]

At that time, they did not have a humanoid form, since Raszageth's goal was to free them

And before they were captured, they had no forms, as I understood

[echo sandal]

can i post the summary of the 10.0.7 cinematic?

i will mark it as spoiler just incase

||Sarkareth and his Sundered Flame are in the Forbidden Reach looking toward the sky and behold that Raszageth’s induced storm that has kept the zone sealed from visitors has receded. Shortly after, The Incarnates arrive to the Forbidden Reach: Iridikron the Stonescaled, Vyranoth the Frozenheart, and Fyrakk the Blazing.

The Dracthyr hide in the bushes and spy upon the Incarnates. Here we jaw-drop as the Incarnates transform into very unique humanoid-visages.
The Incarnates discuss Raszageth’s death and how they wish to avenge her. Iridikon doesn’t want to make Raszageth’s mistake. She subestimated the Dragon Aspects and their allies, and that was her downfall. Iridrikon has arrived to the Forbidden Reach to even the scales to their favor.

Vyranoth points out the Dragon Aspects hid many secrets from the Incarnates and even from each other. As she says this, they enter one of Neltharion’s vaults beneath the earth. Neltharion’s sentries emerge from the ground to attack, but the Incarnates easily defeat them.

In this vault, they discover knowledge about the location of Neltharion’s secret laboratory: Aberrus. This turns out to be the 10.1 Raid dungeon. Iridikron isn’t interested in Aberrus itself, but in the molten lava that powers it.||

[upper pasture]

yes, but it's they way you worded it "live up to" usually implies their form was a let down but i see you meant the literally "she didn't live to her humanform"

[harsh mason]

I meant that she died before she managed to get herself a humanoid form. I'm sorry, English is not my native language

[upper pasture]

yeah, i read it while healing and was confused but then i reread it and understood lol no biggy English is so stupid anyways lol

[proper palm]

wtf ?

[echo sandal]

leaked image of the 10.0.7 cinematic

[proper palm]

Yep but, dragon can use magic from titans to morph into human form
Proto can't

[harsh mason]

Does this look like at least one race from Azeroth? They are literally forms of elementals, just closer to humanoids

[echo sandal]

these arent human tho, the frost one Vyranoth has the same facial structure as the winter queen in SL, Iridikrion has Maldraxxian bodytype

[proper palm]

probably re-use

[deep pawn]

I mean it's pretty obvious I feel that Vryanoth is going to be in the tower in Azure Span that Raz was interested in and it's likely a mega dungeon

I'm still going off that 10.2 is gonna be a side plot raid with the Infinite before we return to Iridikron

[proper palm]

When i say human, i say humanoid
Elementals are not humanoid
If dragon can do this it's because of the titans, i realy don't understand this "decision" for this lore :x

[upper pasture]

and it's also a pretty unique thing and nothing has been done with it aside from the handful of quests with raz

[deep pawn]

Plus, it's awfully icy in that area eh?

It's gonna have something like a non-insane Malygos simulacrum inside that Kalecgos needs to meet

[echo sandal]

thats actually a really good idea... i was thinking who she would try to recruit, since Fyrakk is recruiting the Djaradin to their ranks... primalist tuskarrs would be something else for sure LOL

why dont you eat some sou--i mean this bowl of lava!

[deep pawn]

It might not even be allies. There's power in there that even Raz wanted

[harsh mason]

https://youtu.be/YwEE85vd42c

[upper pasture]

i can't help but feel for Dezran, he will likely be killed or captured and turned into a raid boss in the new raid 😦

[deep pawn]

How do they have more interesting humanoid designs than the Jailer and I already am more interested in Iridikron's plans

Surely he doesn't need all that lava to break into the Bronze area...

And the primalist future is cold not hot

Are they gonna turn the ocean to the west into lava?

[upper pasture]

they are 100 times more compelling than the jailer ever was

[deep pawn]

it does look like a sunken volcano caldera...

[upper pasture]

the scene where they effortlessly take care of the elemental defenses in that vault

[echo sandal]

jesus this looks amazing, am i even looking at wow?

[upper pasture]

perfection

[echo sandal]

i love all of them so much

[deep pawn]

Terran is enjoying this expansion clearly

[ionic terrace]

ice lady looks like winter queen

[upper pasture]

i mean, it's just a softer female face

[uncut lintel]

they really popped up with this cinamatic i hope we keep getting good qaulity like this holy shit

the forms r fucking badass

holy

[upper pasture]

Iridikron's cloak/shoulder piece is amazing. and whatever designer worked on it should be pleased with themselves

[uncut lintel]

the cinamatic is soo smooth

the fire one is my favorite tho

those horns

[harsh mason]

Vyranoth( ice lady), Fyrakk( fire ) and Iridikron

Raszageth RIP

[deep pawn]

"TheZardark
11 minutes ago
These 3 villains already look more menacing then Zovaal was during the entire Shadowlands"

[upper pasture]

I mean, TBF the jailer could have been scary but they screwed it up by being like okay so he literally cannot get you if you don’t go into his zone

[ionic terrace]

plus squidward

[harsh mason]

The Jailer's problem is that he hardly appeared (he was a threat off-screen for most of the SL). Therefore, the same Denathrius was much more interesting (and in my opinion one of the best antagonists)

[upper pasture]

I feel like if they moved every patch up one for SLs they could have made the jailer better, like instead of him breaking out of the maw slowly over time had korthia been 9.0 content then something else then ZM he would have been more threatening

[harsh mason]

His actions were clearly marked and the consequences of this you see as the game progresses (there is a drought in each zone)

[upper pasture]

Yes but that’s supposedly years of work

If not decades

[harsh mason]

But considering that Denathrius is alive and Zovaal is not, then he is a much more important antagonist

[upper pasture]

I mean, the only people “alive” in the SLs were our characters no?

And with the revelation at the end of SLs the constructs that run the “houses” of the SLs are nothing more than something that was created to serve the purpose of the afterlife

[crystal pond]

When i was talking about sl with my friend he seriously asked who is jailer is 💀

Also about aberrus
I thinking that this will do something with adamantia
Because incarnates needed some like a key(?) to get there, and we will get there with adamantia help

But i can be wrong and we will kill her or she will be forever a statue like

I think about that because adamantia knew about aberrus so
She probably knew how to get there also

[dense plover]

i love how they learned from shadowlands

and they are building up the villains

giving them motivations

making them clearly dangerous

but not having them directly taunt us constantly like the jailer did

they dont think they are invincible

[upper pasture]

well most of them lol

fyrakk and raz thought they could kill us outright

granted raz didn't really have a choice

[crimson jasper]

nice group dynamic tho

smart one, leader one, and the stupid brute one xd

[dense plover]

^

also, providing this buildup outside the major patch allows for more indepth buildup of their story and time between when different events happen

[echo sandal]

i know what the warrior set reminded me of

[dense plover]

i just like that it has the flat faceplate, but is still decorative

though i worry what it will look like on tauren

[crimson jasper]

more like the left example posted above probably

[echo sandal]

lmao

i like the set tho, very interesting and new

i am super curious how the different sets will look with the different recolors and the Fyrakk event transmogs

PTR is live tomorrow so im excited

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-1007-ptr-development-notes/1506962/8

[upper pasture]

THANK GOD

[ionic terrace]

yes

[upper pasture]

although i'm pretty sure i've already done all of it across all my alts lol

[ionic terrace]

well at least you won't have to do it twice with them

[harsh mason]

Hmm, Sarkareth has suspicious blue stripes on his body

I have no doubt who will be the final boss of the new raid

[crystal pond]

Its purple

[echo sandal]

that hydra... i want it as a mount...right now

[crystal pond]

There is void included in zone
So like
Probably sarkareth will do oopsie and will be infused with void

[harsh mason]

Vyranoth, Iridikron, Fyrakk

[crystal pond]

Since like...
Is shadow flame is void+magma/fire?

"Dave Kosak says shadowflame is likely fel magic infused with shadow"

[crimson jasper]

accurate xd

https://tenor.com/view/anime-godzilla-three-headed-dragon-laugh-gif-16788819

[upper pasture]

this upgrade system is INSANE for alt catch up!

[crimson jasper]

ohh tell, I can't read the article at work

how's it working

[upper pasture]

50% discount on stones/crests an upgrade slot of its an upgrade that ANY character on your account has a higher itmlvl for that slot

[crimson jasper]

yoooo that's great, any chara? that's so sweet for alts then

[upper pasture]

if they make these crests BoA this will be amazing

granted we will likely be swimming in these after a short while

[signal bone]

this gearing sounds needlessly convoluted

[upper pasture]

i think it's one of those things that sounds complex on paper but in motion it isn't

[crimson jasper]

I think it sounds simple

[upper pasture]

it's also simplifying so many other upgrading systems too

[crimson jasper]

skittles as general upgrade currency, and if you wanna ascend a tier you need an extra granola bar plus skittles

and there's 4 granola bar flavors

[upper pasture]

instead of having all these other ones were getting everything rolled into one

[crimson jasper]

I opened the article and killed my phone btw xd

[upper pasture]

except for pvp gear

[crimson jasper]

yea and crafted

[upper pasture]

and mythic raid gear

[crimson jasper]

but thats fine that has its own thing via pvp and crafting anyways

[upper pasture]

but you don't need to upgrade those lol

[crimson jasper]

and yea thats only fair

cause if you already got mythic shit you won't need upgrades xD

[upper pasture]

if it gets rid of the X amount of added stuff for upgrades they would be adding only to replace with another type in the following patch i'm all for it

[crimson jasper]

I hope it works out well and they bring it into future updates

just simple things too, say vault gives you big helmet but shit stats, next dungeon you get bis helmet, but it was from a +2 you did with a friend, well you need not to waste any capped Valor, just half price skittles

and it's on par very easily

[upper pasture]

i enjoy half price skittles

[crimson jasper]

same

[upper pasture]

and if you want to reroll an alt don't worry about gear catch up cause all you upgrades to your mains itmlvl are discounted too

in respected slots

which is huge

[crimson jasper]

yeap, doesn't need granola bars even to catch up to your main basically instantly

Stil needs the effort to farm skittles on the Alt but that's fair

[upper pasture]

you'll get them everywhere

WQs/m+/weekly quest

i only hope we get them BoA even if it's like the primal chaos

[ivory meadow]

those updated class resources icon are ~~probably ~~ hopefully going to be in the 10.1 ptr tmrw; just a random note

[dense plover]

fyrakk my dude, obviously

like 1000% fyrakk is the final boss

idk how you could come to any other conclusion

unless you literally didnt read the thing blizz posted about the raid

and how we are gonna fight fyrakk

they all but said "fyrakk is the final boss of 10.1"

hell, they mightve even actually said it

[upper pasture]

The elemental even has fyrakk’s horns too

[dense plover]

^^^

[harsh mason]

It's just that the description of the raid says that we are pursuing Sarkareth

Breach Neltharion’s secret laboratory hidden within Zaralek Cavern. It is here that he created the dracthyr and ultimately succumbed to the whispers of the Old Gods and their corruption.

Players will face nine new raid bosses in an effort to thwart the incarnates as well as Scalecommander Sarkareth, whose forces seek to claim the legacy of the dracthyr.

[dense plover]

as well as

thats 8th boss material at most

theres a 0% chance fyrakk isnt the final boss of 10.1

he is much stronger than any dracthyr

assuming sarkareth is a dracthyr

[harsh mason]

I don't think they will make a second last boss in a row protodragon, that's why I bet on him

[dense plover]

i do

i think all of the raid bosses are going to be inkarnates

because thast the point

theyre ridiculously strong

but i also think its very likely he wont look the same by the time we fight him

[silent urchin]

Yes, sarkareth is a drekthar

[harsh mason]

In general, tomorrow there will be PTR, tomorrow we will find out

[silent urchin]

for now at least

[dense plover]

empowered by the forge, fyrakk could have a totally different model

[silent urchin]

I fully expect him to have experimented with random leftover deathwing stuff

and to have interesting things

[dense plover]

^also this

probably for both fyrakk and sarkareth

[silent urchin]

cause I mean we've already dumpstered sarkareth like 3 times

[jade basalt]

They said the final boss is Sarkareth I believe

[dense plover]

wut

[jade basalt]

Yeah

[dense plover]

no way

[silent urchin]

it's not clear

[dense plover]

thats dumb

how the fuck would a dracthyr be stronger than an inkarnate?

and in that scenario, that kinda makes fyrakk a fucking pushover

[jade basalt]

Not necessarily stronger, maybe Fyrakk gets defeated later

[dense plover]

i mean - i guess that would be ok

[crystal pond]

Incarnates are stronger than elementals them self like wtf

[dense plover]

i wouldnt mind fyrakk lasting longer than 1 major patch

[crystal pond]

At least as it seems

[dense plover]

inkarnates barely were pushed back with all of the aspects working together

[jade basalt]

The Incarnates said they couldn't care less about Aberrus

Aberrus is just the experiment facility
All the bosses shown so far seem to be failed experiments
So the last boss being Sarkareth actually doesn't sound too nonsensical. Maybe he gets empowered by some of the experiments or something too.

Meanwhile the Incarnates are unrelated to that plot. Fyrakk is out there burning the Dragon Isles with his new-found powers.

[dense plover]

so if fyrakk isnt the final boss, he doesnt die in the raid

huh

i guess thats fair

in which case, i hope they save all 3 incarnates for the final raid then

[jade basalt]

I'm wondering if Sarkareth might find the Black Dragonflight essence that Neltharion stole from the dracthyr. And maybe he he becomes the perfect dracthyr.

[dense plover]

or stagger them long enough for us to feel them as a true threat

[dense plover]

that COULD make him super dangerous

would answer the question why neltharion did that

[plain violet]

Yeah the interview was talking about Sarkareth wanting to find the destiny Neltharion once had for them

[crystal pond]

There is event(?) fyrakk assault
And aberrus are seperated from each other as it seemed
Probably gonna kill/wound fyrakk in that event

[plain violet]

So previous powers stolen from then...

Like we know dracthyrs can still use black magic, but the female black dragon was suspecting it would damper their abilities permanentely.

[harsh mason]

He has purple stripes on his body, it is obvious that this is the abyss. That's why I wrote that I wanted to be the final boss. Moreover, you wrote correctly, the Incarnation does not need the laboratory itself, but on the contrary it needs

Therefore, it is much more logical that he will be the final boss

[crystal pond]

Ooh
And this is why he get corrupted by void :o

[jade basalt]

They seem to be dragging things out much longer than a lot of people thought. Many believed 10.1 we'd kill 2 Incarnates and then the lat one in 10.2.

But now that doesn't seem likely.

The storytelling is on point. 10.0 flows into 10.0.7 which flows into 10.1 seamlessly.

But there's still a mega dungeon left, 10.1.5.
And a new zone and raid in 10.2 planned for Winter 2023.

And then.. nothing for a whole year until the next expansion? Don't think so. Most likely the road map will continue with a 10.2.5 and 10.3.

[dense plover]

they did say we would know the final boss by the end of 10.0

so clearly its iridikron

which means yeah, predicted pacing goes out the window

and murozond is probably for next expac instead of this one

[crystal pond]

Well murazond will happen in this expac but nothing major will happen

[jade basalt]

I think they could still do:

• 10.1.5 Mega dungeon : Murozond/Infinites (since they said Bronze/Nozdormu plot is for a later patch, also we need Nozdormu to get his shit together for the Mother Oathstone)
• 10.2 Raid: Incarnates vs full fledged Aspects

But I think they'll actually drag it out more than that. It's possible we only kill Iridikron in the very last patch, presumably 10.3.

[dense plover]

i kinda hope we go back to 4 major patches

but i would be okay with three as long as all 3 have new zones

[jade basalt]

So far this is looking so good

Like, Dragonflight as a whole

And there's so much more in store 👀

But yeah what they've shown is simply amazing.

[dense plover]

i hope this continues ad infinitum

i would love to not have to worry about good/bad expac cycle

though im a bit worried about the new gear upgrade system

it sounds overly complicated

[upper pasture]

again, i think it's one of those things that sounds overly complicated on paper but really it's simple

[uncut vault]

if he's out to get all of Neltharion's stuff for himself, seems logical he might get to the power source before the incarnates

[harsh mason]

Moreover, they have different goals. Incarnations don't need things from the lab. But the he needs everything that is there. He is looking for a laboratory because this is the place where he was created. And it is logical that after visiting the laboratory, he will also find something that will cause him to have suspicious purple streaks

I am sure that since this is the place where Neltharion finally went crazy because of the whisper of TOG, then this will happen to him (since you have already seen the screenshots of the abyss elementals)

Moreover, in today's interview, such a thing was said: They looked back at the way the antagonist played out in Shadowlands and one of the things that they really wanted to do in Dragonflight, and set the table with multiple forces which can play out in a less predictable pattern than we'd seen before. Looking at Dragonflight, we have Scalecommander Sarkareth and the Sundered Flame at the end of the Dracthyr experience, we also have the Incarnates freed by Razsageth. Down the road, we may very well see more Incarnates, the threat of the Infinite Dragons and even more threats under the surface.

That is, Sarkareth and his Sundered Flame are the antagonist who is shown in parallel with the Incarnations

[iron jungle]

So in the next update are we getting new appearance?

along with other stuff

I'll sacrifice Malfurion for good to have visage customization like them

Hmm

[deep pawn]

this new upgrade system is nuts

[mossy meteor]

well technically

the bronzies (or just Nozdormu) have to do time travel shenanigans to get Tyr's memory core that the infinites took

that happens -> Aspects get their powers back

[subtle oar]

Not to our knowledge

[upper pasture]

highly unlikely

[little hound]

The new "Flame" they seek fueling this place Is Shadowflame. Which might explain why Sarkareth's body has new purple / flaming visuals.
It was also stated that the elementium dragon there was reanimated by Shadowflame.

Onyxia and Nefarian In Blackwing Descent also use Shadowflame.

[tall parrot]

Is PTR 10.1 up?

[uncut vault]

No, it's likely going up some time later today

[tall parrot]

AIght, thanks @uncut vault

[echo sandal]

I hope servers will go online soon im so excited

[harsh mason]

Wait, is Sarkareth voiced by Troy Baker? If yes, then this is another +100 points for his character

the voice is very similar

[steel crow]

So i am guessing 9-10am pst?

[plain violet]

We can guess... it's today so a matter of hours. :)

I am not sure Maestrr, but it seem.

[mossy meteor]

100% not before 2, maybe 3pm pst

[dense plover]

100% this

blizzard is in PST

stuff like this doesnt happen until AT THE EARLIEST 1-2pm

if not way later

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-embers-of-neltharion-ptr-development-notes/1541379

[subtle oar]

Pffft, where are my tails?!

[silent urchin]

patch just downloaded for me

so presumably realms up soon

[ivory meadow]

Legacy of the Windrunners has been slightly redesigned – Aimed Shot now always shoots 2/4 Wind Arrows at your target. Every 24 Wind Arrows fired generates a charge of Aimed Shot and 30 Focus. interesting.

[upper pasture]

evoker buff 😄

[ivory meadow]

and... damage tradeoff for the wind arrows

Arcane Mage
Death Knight
Feral Druid
Windwalker Monk
Paladin
Rogue
Warlock```

ok yep

as expected.

https://d2ertrwg9e34np.cloudfront.net/original/1X/5002b2b298a43ea2f2426b6446680f42b8076460.gif

[upper pasture]

aslong as they fix the visual bug of it showing the incorrect amount of points ill be happy lol

[ivory meadow]

^^

that's so annoying on rogue

[upper pasture]

right lol but i'm glad they are using those resources that were found at like launch or prepatch

[mossy meteor]

it happens on evokers too

[silent urchin]

Oh realms are up

[mossy meteor]

Elemental Lariat duration changed to 5 seconds (was 12 seconds); increased by 1 second per elemental gem equipped.

lool

lariat crafting mafia in shambles

[silent urchin]

it'll still be good

you get 4 gem slots by default now, 3 on neck and new belt gem item

I think anyway

[ember blaze]

new belt gem item? huh

[upper pasture]

so if you fully socketed youll get the 12 secs

[silent urchin]

blacksmith crafted belt buckle item which is historically a +gem on belt

actua;;y not clear what its for

[upper pasture]

you can have 13 secs if you have full sockets before proc'd sockets

so it's a buff

[candid ruin]

we eating today

[silent urchin]

placeholder I assume, gives you the quest for the zone

big icon for entrance

[harsh mason]

As I said, Sarkareth is the final boss of the new raid

[silent urchin]

Second to last boss though 👀

[crystal pond]

The fuck?

his angry ghost???

[harsh mason]

Most likely (or echo, as in legion)

[crystal pond]

Lol
I just remeber this quote about art with this dead dragon "we dont want to make him look like deathwing but similar to deathwing"

Now i understand

[harsh mason]

No, I think it's another dragon

[upper pasture]

yeah, that was sorta implied when they said it seems like something is trapped within not being held together

[silent urchin]

similar to sindragosa, I guess

I need this as a mount

[mossy meteor]

neat

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/pigPpqf.mp4 new DK power bar

man imgur ruins the quality on that

also maybe I should have found a mob that didn't knockup

[mossy meteor]

new scrollbar for chat box

[crude holly]

looks like 10.1 ptr update is rolling out to clients

[upper pasture]

zaqali invasion?

hmmm....

[crude holly]

should b

im still installing whatever update they pushed but it's on the 10.1 channel

yuh

[silent urchin]

story quests aren't in yet although there is a captain placeholder explaining the first cinematic

and an ebyssian that's a blue and white cube

[crude holly]

lol

[silent urchin]

guess his model isn't quite done

also only one cave seems to be open so far

[harsh mason]

Hmmmm

[silent urchin]

xperimental dracthyr boss I guess

[crude holly]

[upper pasture]

inb4 "THIS IS THE DRACTHRY I WANTED"

[silent urchin]

neltharion I guess?

[crystal pond]

Neltharion look like player character

[crude holly]

that'd be a sick set

[harsh mason]

mount????

[crude holly]

looks like it

[crystal pond]

Its sarkareth being transformed

[upper pasture]

kinda underwhelmed with this model

[upper pasture]

no the one before that

[crystal pond]

?

[upper pasture]

but sarkareth void fused model is pretty

literally scroll up like two more inches

[harsh mason]

It may be his form in a different phase, since the horns are exactly the same

[crystal pond]

Hopefully he will get some effects and dont gonna look like that

[upper pasture]

man, i hope not. i don't like that model the blue/purp/green is so nice looking

[mossy meteor]

outside of the raid

meh

[crystal pond]

Brother energy

[uncut lintel]

can the dragon boss be aotc mount for end of xpac plz blizz < . <

[upper pasture]

i just hope it's not the PVP mount lol

[uncut lintel]

it probably is

so im never getting it

[upper pasture]

well glad mount

[uncut lintel]

[crystal pond]

Now i want to see sabellian and wrathio reaction at their daddy angry ghost

Mount look seek

Want this but in green

[uncut lintel]

closer to worgen tails btw

every worgen update is a step closert

please

p l e a s e

[upper pasture]

another beholder type boss?

[crystal pond]

Wait
Is raid is available for test already or what???

Or its just "you can enter but no"

[upper pasture]

adventure guide has some stuff

[uncut lintel]

so the new faction thingys r those our future allied races, no gnolls?

[upper pasture]

SNAIL MOUNT

RED ALERT!

[uncut lintel]

ugly mount

[upper pasture]

rude

[uncut lintel]

i am

[upper pasture]

comes in green too 😄

the red one looks good too

[deep pawn]

Voice of the silent star..... Isn't that what the moon on Draenor was referred to?

[mossy meteor]

one of the elders

[crystal pond]

Oh elders

Pogers

[deep pawn]

They are big...

Council boss I presume?

[mossy meteor]

two elders are the world boss

[crystal pond]

mommy?

[mossy meteor]

no this is just a regular mob in the world

[deep pawn]

We've heard of a Silent Star before in regards to the void right?

[mossy meteor]

good luck pugs

[ionic terrace]

yeet

[crystal pond]

Is that the thing that primalist seek for?

[tiny stream]

It's not in Abberus so I would think not, but I assume this is what chargers Fyrakk up

[deep pawn]

Shadowflame yeah

[harsh mason]

horror

[ionic terrace]

wht

the FUCK

[crystal pond]

The thing is not in laboratory
Or it is? 👀

I mema the thing that primalist need

Iridikrond said about "molten lava that power it"

[crystal pond]

Is that in raid or in zone?

[harsh mason]

zone

[crystal pond]

Good like everyone lol

[harsh mason]

This is the fauna of the underworld

[crystal pond]

Its a 100% a thing made by neltharion

Because wtf this is

[candid ruin]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-baby-creature-models-in-patch-10-1-embers-of-neltharion-wyvern-fire-331778

HOLY THEY ARE ALL SO CUTE

[crystal pond]

[mossy meteor]

raid description

[crystal pond]

Gonna kill them all

I mean kids

I mean animals

For quests

[harsh mason]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blackwing-lair-inspired-class-calls-return-in-aberrus-raid-encounter-in-patch-10-331779

[crystal pond]

Cool

[crystal pond]

Lol like father like son

[harsh mason]

That dark elemental dragon will most likely be the first boss

[upper pasture]

Neato guessing this is the season 2 KSM mount

[crystal pond]

I see a lot of wipes with this

If you have hunters, shamans, warlocks and monks in raid they all will have debuff with their pets and then this happened

[subtle oar]

Boss

[harsh mason]

No, the boss has a bareback model

[upper pasture]

i mean it DOES has a saddle

so someone is/has mounted it

[harsh mason]

This is boss

[dense plover]

not my video

[upper lantern]

Are the tier sets available for previewing on the ptr?

[upper pasture]

man, i can't wait for pvpers to be camping these entrances to dismount and kill others lol

[dense plover]

probably not

[upper pasture]

gonna have to save the whirl for a target wipe and hope they don't get me lol

[dense plover]

ok

so boss list confirms fyrakk isnt a boss in the raid

so we either fight him for the story

or he isnt the boss this patch

[crystal pond]

"Fyrakk assault"

[dense plover]

dont think thats where you kill him

considering those are like legion and covenant assaults

[crystal pond]

it's not necessarily that we're going to kill him or hurt him in any way
but there will be a battle

And what porter posted in twitter
There will be a conflict between sabellian and wrathion on this

Probably will be a reason why we not gonna kill fyrakk

Dragonflight Wrathion after BFA one is being painful a bit

[dense plover]

when?

[crystal pond]

?

[dense plover]

you said wrathion is being painful

when?

[little hound]

This better be a Highland Drake skin or seperate mount..Same for the Slitherdrake.

I just hope they import Slitherdrake's new animations soon, and not the dang Soul of the Aspect anims

[crystal pond]

Oh I probably used the wrong word
I meant in the sense that it hurts to look at him in Dragonflight after BFA

[uncut vault]

I think Blizz accidentally leaked 10.2 via icons

[silent urchin]

there's a glyph at the far north behind aberrus, but you can't get up to it cause of invisible walls and not valid for flying zones

[uncut vault]

for reference, all the icons are called "Black Dragon Outdoor" for the Zaralek Caverns armor

[crystal pond]

Probably gonna be a customization for your drake

[uncut vault]

this is called "Emerald Dream Outdoor"

for a glaive

[silent urchin]

oooh

[crystal pond]

EMERALD DREAM ZONE???????

Yooooooo

[little hound]

Probably just a cosmetic item.

[dense plover]

^more likely

[uncut vault]

it has the naming convention of zone gear

there is a LOT of cosmetic stuff this patch

[crystal pond]

[uncut vault]

this is the only thing besides the other outdoor zone gear to use zone naming conventions

[dense plover]

ok for some reason 10.1 seems to not use DX12?

wtf

its running like total garbage now

[silent urchin]

I saw some people talking about that

[dense plover]

wont even let me choose it

[silent urchin]

mine still lets me

I'm on AMD though if that makes a difference

[deep pawn]

Interesting that Fyrakk lives. That or he dies to whoever the final boss of the raid is

[upper pasture]

plz no

Fyrakk will be for later

[silent urchin]

based off what I've seen it's either pre-raid or likely the megadungeon

[upper pasture]

if he dies to anyone else then us that will be boring

[little hound]

Final Boss In the raid is Sarkareth, no Incarnate is a boss In the new raid.

Although he will appear and burn people during Invasions, so I'd say Fyrakk Is exposing himself alot, compared to Vyranoth and Iridikron.

[crystal pond]

I mean
His is fire incarnate

[mossy meteor]

honestly makes sense that emerald dream-like zone is the next zone

[little hound]

We did see those sleeping Dreamweaver dragons In the Live Action cinematic.

And we do need a story with Ysera/Merithra incoming.

So probably, who knows.

[crystal pond]

Also primalist needed something from dream
Also freaking seed here

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1633973512992858114

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

Are they adding an option to be able to choose the voice of your Character?!!!

Twitter · Mar 9, 2023, 11:30 PM

[silent urchin]

Well, us, Fyrakk and Sarkareth are all trying to get whatever deathwing left behind. I'm expecting the plot for us to be both us and sarkareth getting there late, Fyrakk getting what he wants and leaving, and us and sarkareth fighting over whats left

[little hound]

Ara ara, time for an UwU Anime yamete voice.

[silent urchin]

could just be male/female choices

[dense plover]

underground map preview thingy will be on the side

[silent urchin]

although the characters voice so little they could easily get alternatives

screenshot didn't include cursor, not sure where you mean. Bottom right I guess?

[crystal pond]

Meme
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=204271/blacktalon-napalm

[dense plover]

this zone is awesome

[dense plover]

yes

[mossy meteor]

it is

[vernal tartan]

That one was called 'the dark star'. Sounds curious anyways. There's also a trinket from the last boss with some nice text about the cosmic Void too. x)

[silent urchin]

it's a lot less claustrophobic than the press images made it seem, definitely a higher ceiling

[little hound]

My curious ass Is nervous to see story spoilers on wowhead.

[mossy meteor]

dont expect to see anything

the story is deeply encrypted

[little hound]

ty god

[mossy meteor]

we might get some hints and what not but questlines? nah

[uncut vault]

Even if he doesnt die this time, 10.1 is clearly the fire/fyrakk themed patch

10.1 was raszageth's

in the Ysera chapter, it was a bunch of ice primalists trying to destroy the seed

so Vyranoth/ice being the 10.2 theme for a world tree/dream zone makes sense

[mossy meteor]

wonder what we'll get for 10.3 then

[silent urchin]

we're getting a big bronze dragon thing at some point

although that could be 1.5/2.5 or so

[uncut vault]

iridikron + void vs bronze dragon/infinite stuff seems my guess

[dense plover]

theres a big titan area

[mossy meteor]

activision won't approve but i'd love for this xpac to last until 2025

[little hound]

MORE !!

[mossy meteor]

like mid/late 2025 for the next xpac, fully flesh out dragonflight with a 10.4

[deep pawn]

Fyrakk is rash and impulsive. I could easily see Iridikron eliminating him to serve his own plans after he has control of the shadowflame

[uncut vault]

I just went there, the banners are sundered flame, right?

[mossy meteor]

yes they are

there's some sundered flame mobs there

[mossy meteor]

if you hover over the dragon glyph alert, it says titan vault

[crystal pond]

Undeground of tyr's hold?

[dense plover]

glimmerog is the drogbar area

[dense plover]

yeah

area right next door is "sundered flame camp"

hes back and has a WQ

NOT SOLOABLE

7KK HP

[mossy meteor]

lol

he stops at 1% and says you're stronger

and gives a chest that for now doesnt give any loot

[dense plover]

i found a quest

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/LeystTv/status/1633977837450346498

Leyst (@LeystTv)

There is a map called Deathwing's Final Moment which is part of a scenario, so probably the campaign. Interesting 😁

Twitter · Mar 9, 2023, 11:47 PM

[dense plover]

found the snail quest

seems like its a multistep chain - will maybe be spread over multiple weeks?

[silent urchin]

he's got a rep

[deep pawn]

The snails is probably the same as the lizard mount in the plains

Hopefully just easier to track haha

[dense plover]

this shit is back

when here there is music

so theres probably a FEW new music tracks in the files

very bassoon heavy

[silent urchin]

heh, ground skimming and thrill of the skies don't stack

[wise ridge]

When is coming the m+?

[deep pawn]

@dense plover what's the odds you think Iridikron is going to make a volcano in the western plains off the coast? That said it wouldn't fit a new zone concept.

[dense plover]

found a cool puzzle

[deep pawn]

Actually... The Broken Shore was deemed a whole zone but was a bit small in the end

[dense plover]

2nd time ive seen this new faction

[dense plover]

so heres something neat

the zone isnt below the isles

the cave you fly through gives the game time to seamlessly load

which is why flying in or out you might notice a minor hitch

[silent urchin]

first time I went through it hadn't had quite enough time and I saw the void briefly

but it's a relatively standard game technique

[dense plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maZ27e147EI

its actually on a separate map

or at least a distance away

[silent urchin]

I'm not entirely sure about the other entrances, it seems to just be the one open so far

there's an obvious spot for one south

third seems like it may be in the ceiling

[dense plover]

slitherdrake is big

[silent urchin]

huh

[little hound]

shame its new anims aren't added yet

[crystal pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=198921/adamanthia

We gonna free her

Or a memory thing

[silent urchin]

probably memory

I expect a lot of memories

[deep pawn]

A small volcano area that's the entrance to a shadowflame emerald dream could be interesting but I really want an infinite raid this expansion

[little hound]

We'll probably free her with Ebyssian's aid.

[deep pawn]

I feel like a corrupted emerald dream has already been done well enough

[little hound]

ITs been done..TOO Many times..

[uncut vault]

her being freed makes senseas the plot for 10.0.7

[little hound]

Emerald Nightmare has happend like..TWICE, and once In a book..
Then we had Void attacks In there In BFA when claiming the Green Dragonscale..
And now we had Primalists In there.

[uncut vault]

theres nothing else really to lead us to Abberus

[deep pawn]

I can't think of what else he needs magma for. I don't think he'd need it to attack the Obsidian Throne or the Bronze Temple

[little hound]

Shadowflame Isn't magma. Its a mix of void magic and Neltharion's aspectral fire magic. But lesser versions have been made by Onyxia and Nefarian.

[deep pawn]

In particular the form Iridikron wants is the magma type. Thick and flowing no?

[uncut vault]

ultimately I think he wants the core of Abberus for the shadow part

not the flame part haha

[crystal pond]

Shadowflame is void+fel magic
But in underground shadowflame is void infused with fire/magma

Anyway they seek power that neltharion was using

[deep pawn]

This is the black fluid they'll drink deep of eh?

Void whispers speak of someone digging deep and drinking of the fluid they find there

[silent urchin]

oh the entrance tunnel is called iridikron's gambit, so I imagine the cinematic will include a giant tunnel being melted

can't find the last race

[deep pawn]

At least I hope it's Iridikron and not Sabellian or Wrathion

[silent urchin]

ah nvm found it

couple races are a bit tight but overall nothing really that nasty

similar to the isle

glyphs also all seem easy enough except for the bugged one

[subtle oar]

THIS is how Cloud Serpents should be when on the ground!!!!!

Using their NOODLE LEGS!

[urban spire]

Hmmm, I wonder if the data mined appearances are blizzard bringing back artifacts as a cosmetic thing

Some of them have multiple variants and look very similar to artifacts

I.e the dk one has 2 1 handed swords and both could be the artifact swords

Same as the 2h axe looks like maw of the damned

And it would be weird to have multiple new appearances if it was for mage tower as there would likely only be 1 per spec not multiples

[deep pawn]

I'm fine with them reusing the mage tower appearances this way

[signal bone]

yoooo

mage tower

[deep pawn]

Eh?

[untold pawn]

Squishei what're you're smokin' for the third Evoker spec conspiracy, I want some

[deep pawn]

I mean if it does say "new specialization remembered"

[upper pasture]

that'd be pretty neat

[ember blaze]

🙏 bard spec bard spec bard spec 🙏

[crude holly]

inb4 discount lust/innervate aura spammer

the enhancement shaman that never was

[harsh mason]

Fyrakk is also full of shadowflame

[deep pawn]

yeah, that model is probably the biggest pointer to him surviving this patch story since he's not a raid boss

[upper pasture]

i mean unless we get a proto drake model of him too as a mount but a twist\

[deep pawn]

He may still get admonished by Iridikron for being stupid and stuff

Especially if taking in shadow wasn't the plan

[crystal pond]

But maybe it was a plan 🤔

[harsh mason]

I doubt. Fyrakk itself is very unstable (psychopath). Like the fire itself

The developers said that after he absorbed shadowflame, he would look for something on the surface

Maybe it will be connected somehow with the new world tree?

To be honest, I don't even know who the final boss of DF can be anymore. It could very well be Fyrakk

[crystal pond]

Nah we gonna kill him but maybe not in 10.1.0
Because this shadowflame invasions in plains a little bit too much

Still waiting for the plot with corrupted waters

[harsh mason]

Not, of course, there was a plan that they were looking for this flame, but the question is for what? It can resurrect, maybe they want to use it to resurrect Galakrond?

[crystal pond]

Oh yeah i forgot about galakrond thing

Well seems logical

[harsh mason]

True, shadowflame resurrects a literally brainless zombie, so I'm not sure🤔

[deep pawn]

It has to be related to the unused space to the west

[echo sandal]

Also remember that Raszageth tried to capture that tower in Azure Span for some kind of power, we might face Vyranoth there, that place is all snowy, frosty.
My guess is that Iridikron will devour, eat both of them once we defeat them (Fyrakk and Vyranoth) and he becomes a new Galakrond,a stonescaled, lava breathing, frost spiked monster.

His hunger was mentioned already several times

[deep pawn]

I struggle to see us getting two fire themed raids in a row though which has me really wondering if Fyrakk will ever be a raid boss

[echo sandal]

Im not sure, considering the new invasions are about us weakening him until he backs off it could be that he becomes so weak that Iridikron tells him he is useless to him and eats him

He seems to be the most aggressive one, it can easily cost him his life

And Iridikron wasnt a fan of his idea that they should attack us right away, yet he does via the assaults

Or it could be a 5head masterplan by him to use Fyrakk's aggressive behavior to focus our strength on Fyrakk and not him

Then Vyranoth could get mad considering the loss of her brother, She already lost her sister Raszageth. + The fact that Iridikron made bargains without telling them

[harsh mason]

This will be his third phase. With each phase, he will transform, changing his abilities from dragon to void

[harsh mason]

In fact, Sarkareth in the role of the final boss of Aberrus is much better if it were Fyrakk. The whole story of Sarkareth and his Sundered Flame is connected with the fact that they do not recognize Aspects, and that they consider the heritage of Neltharion to be their birthright. And in the end he gets it (up to the same madness that Neltharion had)

[plain violet]

Yeah there is some irony of that, that is pretty good.

Love how his void skin really ressemble the "failed" experiment, which themselves had void, and the twilight flight.

[hard pagoda]

so I went to some place near Glimmerogg and it keeps crashing the game now

is there stuck command in PTR?

probably no moving character service there :/

ok got back in

[harsh mason]

nozdormu scythe(taken from twitter)

I wonder why give him a weapon🤔

[plain violet]

Surely a scenario!

[final socket]

guys on PTR, wheres the temp crafting vendors?

[dense plover]

Don’t think there are any

Was it in the patch notes?

[silent urchin]

it was mentioned but I didn't see them

[austere gazelle]

or a boss drop :p

[plain violet]

D:

[final socket]

yeah it was mentioned but i think its not implemented yet

[plain violet]

So it seem we have a new school of magic, the "cosmic void" @uncut vault ... We will see the visuals once in raid, but I do really like the icons and implications, of a void more into infinity, stars, and space, like a darker counterpart of the cosmic arcane/druid, than the classical "bad purple tentacles void"

[harsh mason]

It was already in Sepulcher, no?

some bosses attacked with cosmic magic

[mossy meteor]

saw that someone uncovered a new "power type" string

POWER_TYPE_SHADOWLAVA_ENERGY (New) - Shadowlava Energy

POWER_TYPE is a string used for class-related errors, relating to resources. When you don't have the energy/rage/mana/etc to cast something, it uses that string to bring up the error message

[harsh mason]

Dausegne's melee strikes infuse the target with energy, inflicting 7667 Cosmic damage every 1 sec. for 20 sec for each application.

[austere gazelle]

Elunarian magic ❤️

[dense plover]

probably a boss power bar tbf

im pretty sure some of the boss resource bars use this

[mossy meteor]

true

[dense plover]

doesnt make much sense for much else

[plain violet]

Yup! With First one magic.

But it was black/white.

[plain violet]

It could be used for, like the night warrior spell FX we have seen in SL.

[junior jewel]

I love that last transformation

[deep pawn]

Cosmic was all elements minus shadow no?

Perhaps cosmic void is the mix of all of them, or maybe just void and arcane.

[plain violet]

Cosmic was Arcane, Holy, Nature, Shadow.

(In gameplay)

But yeah, cosmic void is interesting, visually and in implications for the future of Azeroth...

[harsh mason]

I think that it is the pure cosmic energy void here. That is, this is not exactly the Void magic that void spawns use.

Because Sarkareth's magic is brighter (not darker)

[plain violet]

Yeah, really "spacey" and starry.

I do like that pure void is contemplative rather than always "dark tentacles"

[dense plover]

https://gfycat.com/JauntyGargantuanAfricanporcupine\

idk what this is

black dragon dracthyr?

[plain violet]

Sarkareth!

In P3

I do love that the blue and eyes is reminescent of Mac'aree creatures and void elves hairs tentacles.

Mh mh...

[harsh mason]

maybe Sarkareth's arena

[harsh mason]

Hmm, I understand that under the laboratory of Neltharion there was literally a transition to the Void reality (roughly like Karazhan)

[deep pawn]

Who's ready for the cosmology chart to be wrong again

[harsh mason]

And thus the influence of void drove him crazy

[deep pawn]

Order's set path seems directly opposite of voids infinite possibility

[plain violet]

Yeah that really seem more and more like it..

[plain violet]

I think it too. Circle of stars, it is, no tentacles, just spaces, space where Neltharion changed...

[plain violet]

Yeah, maybe of his own doing, or because Azeroth proximity..

But that does seem to be a plane to the real, real void reality.

The stones are not destroyed even, they just "fade"

[crystal pond]

So like
Neltharion knew he would become deathwing or what?

This image of deathwing is sus

[crimson jasper]

In nyalotha we got shown corrupted Wrathion, void could have shown Neltharion what he'll become

[plain violet]

This image is really sus, but it's in the raid. 🤔

Could be. And under his wing, the void, and the world even under.

[crystal pond]

It was just a vision
A possibility but not real future

[crimson jasper]

yea and neltharion liked it and made a wall deco out of it xd

[crystal pond]

Lmao yep

I hope they will explain the whole corruption with Neltharion
Because right now its just "oh he became bad because he was bad"

justice for our boi

[plain violet]

Justice, yeah. 😁

[crimson jasper]

well more like he was good but became bad because of circumstance

but I wouldn't say he was "good" per se, just normal, some good vibes, some asshead vibes

[upper pasture]

Wdym, he became corrupted to deal with the primalist since he couldn’t do it with the titans power. I mean more lore would be nice but it’s not hard to drawn lines here

[crystal pond]

Yeah
I read dota and Neltharion there was great
But in game at the moment all hint of his personality showing that he was an ahole all the time not because he was corrupted

[crimson jasper]

not really tho

he was fine but influenced by the whispers

and curiosity killed the cat as we know

it was more of a descend into madness

[upper pasture]

That and people crack under pressure

[crimson jasper]

least imo

yup, shit my tube children gonna die, unleash the tentacles

titans being all Sus probably also didn't help

[little hound]

Where are ya findin' these?

[crystal pond]

In dragonflight at the moment quests/books and some quotes shows that he was bad all time
I dont know why...
But i hope reach and aberrus will fix this a bit

[crimson jasper]

hmm I wouldn't go that far, he was definitely "up to no good" but not all was just "evil villain plot" with what he had in mind

[crystal pond]

Which is weird because there was always "noble mind turned into darkness"
And then df...

[crimson jasper]

Also maybe the super hero aspect novel is the real deal who knows xd

[plain violet]

Tweeter!

[harsh mason]

Because it's like opinions about him

[crimson jasper]

I don't get that feel honestly, it still feels like what we know but they expand on it

[harsh mason]

The truth is, as usual, somewhere in the middle: he is not evil, but as an Aspect that was literally responsible for the «health” of the whole planet, he cannot be soft and fluffy

[crimson jasper]

that being said Neltharion most likely wasn't a "pure good" little boy from the start anyways, who is, they all got flaws

[tropic trail]

Hey, is it known where each set tint is obtained from? I know it's M+/PvP, etc., but Wowhead doesn't specify exactly which is which.

[crimson jasper]

reee work, thanks for the interesting talk tho^^

[crystal pond]

I mean
Look at wrathion
Little shit start a legion but helped to defeat nzoth

[little hound]

Neltharion was very cruel from the beginning.

[crystal pond]

And this is weird

[harsh mason]

He's too young, in fact he's still a teenager by dragon standards

Neltharion, as I have already written, was not evil, but he was harsh (this is due to the fact that he is an aspect of the earth, he has responsibility for the entire planet on his shoulders)

[crystal pond]

in dota, it is shown that neltharion was quite intimidating, but not cruel

And even other lore hints was saying "well he was wise as hell and protector"

[harsh mason]

Well, how to do it?

You confuse the concept of Evil and severity or cruelty, these are different things

[deep pawn]

Neltharion likely always put ends above the means but that also leads to dark stuff

I think one point it was said he could sense and feel every part of the surface of Azeorth at once?

He likely heard the old gods the moment he was empowered

[harsh mason]

There is not a single source in DF where it was said that Neltharion was not a defender of the earth (just the opposite). This is especially described in the descriptions of Weyrns. He did everything to protect the earth

[crystal pond]

Like he was bearing entire planet on his shoulders

[deep pawn]

I guess the question is if defending Azeroth actually means following the Titan's orders.

[crystal pond]

Where is the plot that neltharion was able to hear azeroth and not only old gods

[deep pawn]

The old gods for a while now have tried to claim Azeorth is on their side.

[crystal pond]

earth warder
can feel pain of azeroth itself
can move earth and shape islands and mountains
cant chat though

[harsh mason]

even as for his experiments: the whole planet is under your responsibility. Wouldn't you, being one of the highest beings on the planet, use all the methods? And in fact, he actually did it. The game also says that he deliberately put the dracthyrs into stasis (and they would have been an ideal army in his conquests). But he knew that if he lost himself, they would become a threat to the planet.

[deep pawn]

It's been a consistent story beat of free will over set paths. In the Shadowlands we altered the strict uncaring order of the machine of death. Perhaps Azeroth herself told Neltharion to break free of the order of the Titans but the void corrupted him first

[crystal pond]

Wrathion did use all methods and its backfired

[deep pawn]

This ultimately comes down to who exactly are the first ones. Are they above the order Pantheon as Ur-Order or something?

[crystal pond]

And in bfa he said "that was stupid af"

[deep pawn]

The first ones seem too robotic and set in stone to truly be all forces at once.

[crystal pond]

I hope we will not get to the first ones atleast for 2 expansions
This cosmology shit in shadowlands was so bad that i still trying to forgot about it

[harsh mason]

Wrathion was mostly a manipulator (which he didn't do well)

[deep pawn]

Even if this expansion is grounded to just the Isles, it's goal is to set up plot for the next expansion. Void, infinite, and others are clearly part of that

[crystal pond]

Im okay with void and time stuff
Im not okay with first ones

Its interisting yeah
But ummm
It will doom wow lore entirely

[upper lantern]

I don't mind the void being expanded into a more cosmic thing, yeah

But first ones are horrible

[deep pawn]

Unless the first ones are just order gods and not something above all. If they're on par with the void lords that seems fair

[upper lantern]

Yeah. That would make them more palatable

Everything about them seems to imply order

[deep pawn]

I'm starting to think though that chaos is just order when forced to face infinite. I don't know if I want to call it void corrupted order or just the same magic. Arcane and fel do overlap a ton.

[upper lantern]

Many of the cosmic forces have overlapping themes, yeah

[sonic flame]

is pre up with 10.1?

ptr*

[crimson jasper]

yup

[sonic flame]

kk thank you

[deep pawn]

I feel like we're going to ultimately get another retcon about what drive Sargeras mad. It wasn't just the corruption. It had to be the unlimited potentials that messed with how order thinks

When order can't control everything it tries to reset, and if it can't reset it just destroys

[crimson jasper]

if all fails just say it was the Jailer, worked great in SL am I right?

[deep pawn]

I know time doesn't apply in the Shadowlands but everything there is definitely order heavy

[uncut lintel]

[crimson jasper]

hope all is well foksi

[uncut lintel]

thanks, you too shuja, its been awhile

i think

[crimson jasper]

yea usually I pop up when ptr stuff is happening heh

[uncut lintel]

fair

[crimson jasper]

I do lurk and read chat tho, mostly from work, just like now

[uncut lintel]

when does 0.7 release again, it comes with worgen monks right?

[crimson jasper]

21/22nd March

[uncut lintel]

THATS SO FAAAR

I WANT WORGEN MONK

[crimson jasper]

I am curious to see how their rising sun kick looks like

l really want a tail for worgen still

[uncut lintel]

saame

everytime we get worgen news its not a tail 💀

[crimson jasper]

yea big sadge

but worgo monk is p cool still

[upper pasture]

not far enough i still need to finish 24 characters

and maybe i'll level ANOTHER monk come 10.0.7 D:

[uncut lintel]

@upper pasture relatable

[rain cave]

Wish they'd do a pass on some melee stuff for better animations/ vfx

Even if its just increasing the vfx size and fixing the few abilities that use shit animations

[signal bone]

monks and death knights definitely need another pass

[deep pawn]

Woo, m+ testing starting in a week. Faster than normal. But this isn't a normal just testing an affix

[rain cave]

i'd argue warrior and pal are shafted too

like to me it should feel like if you're a paladin charging up a powerful templars verdict

or somesuch

it should feel like you're just smiting something with pure light power

even if it's just amped up visuals on your own screen through a glyph or something

or with warr giving the stack effects a visual like if you max charge a mortal strike or a mortal strike crits

it shows a bigger more exaggurated effect

maybe like a little effect on the enemy too

of a big cleave

since atm mortal strike uses a really weird animation with bugger all for VFX

same with something like rampage regarding vfx

[uncut vault]

I think hunter needs a pass before anyone else, especially MM with their one shooting anim lol

[deep pawn]

their one crappy one

I hated aimed shot

[deep pawn]

@uncut vault your tweet ended up in the Evoker discord. I wouldn't jump on a tank healing wing that fast. The blue drakonids joined them after all.

[uncut vault]

the NPC is explicitly a dracthyr

[deep pawn]

oh it is?

[uncut vault]

Mhm, Dracthyr Stoneclaw

[deep pawn]

but the healing wings aren't all evokers though

if any actually

Evokers are rare in they can do all things, the other various creches are more specialized

It actually makes a lot of sense that even the medic corps of the Dracthyr would have some frontline defenders

[coarse quail]

Wow it looks great!
Loves these new shapes that WOW r adding!

[harsh mason]

Here's what I thought: or maybe the fifth the old god does not exist? I mean, even within the framework of the game, it is served as rumors and theories. Or maybe, in fact, the source for which many took the fifth the old god was a rift under Aberrus?

That is, literally this rift was the source through which void was leaking

[austere gazelle]

Maybe the fifth Old god is on Avaloren, maybe the fifth old god was the EarthMother, maybe the fifth old god is one that fused with Azeroth's world soul ( her heart is a crater, and we have filled it ) , there is plenty of theories going around. We don't know yet

Since Avaloren existence was wiped out of history, and concealed by Odyn, there might be surprising stuff there. I expect a sort of unholy union of order being and void / nature and stuff, which is why Odyn, said that those Heretics would end up killing each others since it was " in their nature to do so "

[rain cave]

This could be interesting, like we find azeroth in the depths but there's a bit old god tumour growing on her

Like a tick

If we just kill it outright it'll do more damage

Maybe have to find something to cleanse or replace it

[formal pollen]

has anyone managed to get the new upgrade system tested in PTR?

[harsh mason]

Perhaps. I'm still proceeding from the fact that we were told that Aberrus is the place where Neltharion first contacted void magic

[austere gazelle]

Yep and we know that there is yogg saron influence around and dark water pool tainted by him that mutated Galakrond. Its very possible that Neltharion saw this and decided to experiment upon it and ended up tainted

[dense plover]

we dont know that Yogg is the reason Galakrond was mutated

we know that there was water

but afaik, the dragon flight books tell us that the titans/keepers used that water to make galakrond

[austere gazelle]

We do know.

Its in the lore book of Uldaman : Legacy of Tyr

[dense plover]

huh ok

didnt remember them being specific

thats the book i was talking about

im still sticking with the 'corpse of a 5th old god' theory i posisted early on

theres a titan facility down there

like shadowflame could literally be made from burning a dead old god or something

[austere gazelle]

Well we know that there was tainted water and that the halls of infusion were built to filter it, maybe the titan area is leading to were the source of this pool is

[dense plover]

its pretty small and disapppointing currently - so i hope it ends up better. Right now its just another one of the small halls like the one that the renascent life infuser thingy is in

[austere gazelle]

Im thinking that shadowflame might be a derivated of An'she's fire after he was struck by the "darkness". Even elune could not cure it

[dense plover]

i think trying to draw in that much old lore is gonna hurt you

theres been no mention of anshe

theyre not gonna just bring it in suddenly

[austere gazelle]

There are several hints and everything is slowly going towards the revelation on how the eartmother - elune - anshe influenced the elements and used them to see life on azeroth

And most importantly - elune is directly involved with dragon on some level - given the statement of the winter Queen

[plain violet]

An'she being wounded by Void is new lore, yeah.

(SL more exactly)

An'she being a master of fire and earth, too.

But I find the theory of An'shuur being related to An'she... interesting.

[dense plover]

isnt anshe the sun?

[plain violet]

(an'shuur, the cosmic wanderer)

[plain violet]

Yes! 😁

[dense plover]

i thought anshe wasnt neccesarily a real diety

and just tauren mythos

[plain violet]

In tauren mythology, An'she is the sun but also a divinity that is wounded by the void and orbit around Azeroth.

By orbiting around Azeroth, and because of his wound, bleeding is what give the world the sun and warm.

[dense plover]

i dont know how accurate tauren mythos is

doesnt azeroth still orbit the sun like our earth orbits our sun?

[austere gazelle]

Both Elune and An'she were born from the earthmother - implied to be Azeroth - and befriended elemental and in the end used them to create and nourish the lands

[plain violet]

Accurate I don't know.. However, what is interesting is they keep referring their origins as before the Void came.

Yup.

[dense plover]

i mean - thats the myth

[plain violet]

And "then the void came and we all become crazies"

[dense plover]

i dont know if thats the truth though

[plain violet]

The truth, I don't think. But the Void part is... interesting in how it changed the world balance.

[dense plover]

i mean - it sounds like a story of the old gods' arrival tbh

[austere gazelle]

I absolutely follow your reasonment there but in the same book, there was Veressa talking with the Jailer - not named as it - and this one saying he got a shard of her sister's soul - way before the ending of SL

[plain violet]

For example, in their mythos, Elune (Mu'sha) have to constantly heal An'she for him not to die.

(because void wound)

[dense plover]

but that also is just describing the sun setting and rising through myth

which is especially common among native american myths which tauren are based on

[plain violet]

Of course! But they tie it to old gods arrival and consequences. Now with the An'shuur orbit..

I don't know, the name is really too close.

[austere gazelle]

Yes... Elune name in this mythos is Mu'sha. We dont know the actual name of An'she

[dense plover]

assuming there is one

[austere gazelle]

Assuming yes

[dense plover]

considering anshe tauren are paladins, which has been implied

[plain violet]

And they did tie, in their mythos (inspired by native american), the consequences of void magic, Earthmother sacrifice to ward off the Void, An'she and Mu'sha departing.

Yeah! That and also drood.

[dense plover]

probably some kind of light-based entity

[plain violet]

Yeah, it could also be like Elune.. 🤔

I mean Elune showed some neat dark magic.

[dense plover]

could be as simple as a naaru or something

[plain violet]

Maybe An'she would get the same treatment later.

[dense plover]

or the light equivalent of an old god?

[plain violet]

Maybe the equivalent.

And maybe him being "wounded" is just a cycle.

[austere gazelle]

An'she isnt light, he is supposed to be with elune in the plane of life atm.
But Life magic is a deep red fire. Which could tie with the nature of Alexstrasza's flame of life.

[plain violet]

We know druids can use solar magic (that is An'she), and light magic for tauren is also An'she, for them.

And that solar magic is nature, not light.

[austere gazelle]

Its possible that the light as we know it could be a form of fire of life tainted by the void which gave birth to Light and Naarus - making a link with Naarus being created somehow by elune

[dense plover]

but im sticking with my simpler theory for shadowflame - theyre burning something tied to the void, hence all the void stuff without the tentacles - which could be the body of a long-dead old god. This would also explain why a lot of neltharion's/deathwing's and nefarion's creations are both insane and typically tentacle-covered

[plain violet]

🤔

You mean, Light wouldn't be as primordial we thougth?

[austere gazelle]

Xal spoke about " true light "

[plain violet]

It could be. We do have now the more "cosmic" void.

Oh? Where?

[austere gazelle]

A line of her dagger. Something about wondering what would happen if true light and void would meet there

[plain violet]

I see. 🤔

Well, I don't know. But we still have the life cycle of Naaru having a void state etc.

[austere gazelle]

If they came from a tainted light corrupted by the void - then it could make sense

Even if atm it more a cycle of light waning and which cant exist without darkness

But there again - according to the mythos - Anshe cant survive without elune

[dense plover]

i think comparing anshe and elune to light and void isnt a good idea

theyre different parts of the mythos

and elune is somehow tied to the winter queen

so theyre both death-adjacent somehow

or nature adjacent

[plain violet]

Oh no no, I don't think An'she is light, light. But I think maybe he have a relation to the void. And that An'she is nature.

However I still wonder why the cosmic wanderer orbit..

[dense plover]

i thought most nature magic came from azeroth - the earthmother

[plain violet]

I thought too. But with the SL, they clearly suspected the dream to be way bigger than just Azeroth..

[austere gazelle]

An'she is life magic , the nurturing fire of life I think. Elune is more tied to the nature

There is a reason they depicted life magic as being red fire

[dense plover]

i mean - the titans at least influenced the dream so im not sure how related elune is exactly

its confusing

[austere gazelle]

( and that they separated both )

[dense plover]

only for alexstraza

[plain violet]

I think maybe the Dream is... all the plan of life, but the titans influenced to create a little "garden" of it, related to Azeroth.

[austere gazelle]

Remember that everything we thought were the works of the titans might be a lie, too

[dense plover]

i mean - the titans didnt invent the dream

we know this

but they can influence it

[plain violet]

What get me the Dream is way bigger is well.. The Ardenweald part in the grimoire of Shadowlands, the quests where the Dream is for everything. The part where Aln is tied to the Nether, and where creatures from outside Azeroth could come into the Dream, like Anzu.

[dense plover]

and the azeroth in the dream is not what used to be there before the titans

[austere gazelle]

Emerald dream could have been there and they ordered a part of it for Azeroth

[dense plover]

they absolutely did

[plain violet]

Yeah, I think...

[dense plover]

sorta

the dream has been noted as being a clean azeroth before the titan's arrival

so its like a backup blueprint

[plain violet]

And there is so multiple "layers" of the Dream, too.

[dense plover]

similar to azeroth but without the void

yeah its confusing

[plain violet]

And well, using Ardenweald to come to the Dream...

[dense plover]

i kinda hope we go there this expac and they clean it up a bit explanation wise

[austere gazelle]

We'll probably know more about it in the 10.2

[plain violet]

I was "oh.. yeah okay, totally a direct connections the titans did not used"

I hope too!

[austere gazelle]

10.2 seems to have a whole zone for the emerald dream

Not a raid , dungeon or whatever

[plain violet]

Yeah.. maybe the "we will go into the origins of the dream" they talked during alpha interveiws.

[austere gazelle]

Thats why I think we'll get the truth behind the Earthmother mythos

The link between Elune and the dragons - why the embrace giving the aspectral power needed an alignement of the moons and sun

Etc etc

[plain violet]

That could be really nice, tauren need a bit more of lore.

And especially cleaning it.

[dense plover]

theyre clearly trying considering they brought baine in

im hoping they didnt do it for nothing

[austere gazelle]

Like in SL...

[plain violet]

I hope it too! His presence could help, and well.. show the race as it is.

We can have others races for nature than night elves, aha.

(especially considering the taurens being with Cenarius looooooong ago)

[austere gazelle]

I also suspect a link with elune and an'she and the djaradin. Some are fiery red with tatoos shaped like naarus pattern

Some are fiery blue...

[plain violet]

I think the tattoo are just Blizzard being really all time "same runes"

For the blue it's shadowflame. 😁

[austere gazelle]

Most probably

[dense plover]

i think the djaradin are just elemental

[plain violet]

(in the PTR, shadowflame infusion change the djaradinns tattoo in blue)

Yeah.

[dense plover]

so more tied to some of the elementals than the dieties

[austere gazelle]

Yeah but elune and an'she were best buddies with elementals

[dense plover]

would love to see that big earth element queen lady return though

i dont remember her name

[austere gazelle]

Therazane

[dense plover]

yeah her

she would fit right in

[austere gazelle]

A bit of Elemental lords lore would really be neat.

And also proto Azeroth. What were the elemental forces doing before the black empire - and what was before the black empire ?

[harsh mason]

By the way, I saw someone mention that the theories of the dragon islands in theory could fall under the zone of influence of Yogg-saron

[austere gazelle]

OG location of the Broodlands - actual name of the DI - where east of northrend and Ulduar. So in Yoggy's turf. So him polluting the water underground - even after being locked - would make sense

The topography of the Area matches the DI , so it was defo in Yoggy's area

( rivers have almost the same curves etc )

[subtle oar]

Dragon Isles were a seperate land mass BEFORE the Sundering

[austere gazelle]

no, that's not the case. It's a confusion made by the cinematic but they were always part of it. Even the Centaurs went there by foot, not by boats

[formal pollen]

Anything about 'Jolt' for Evokers been mentioned?

[austere gazelle]

It's been called " Dragon isles " after the Sundering. It was called " The Broodlands " before that

The confusion might have come that in early concept they decided it would be separated - but changed it mid course, when the cinematic were already processing - those being costly, they decided to not remake it