but I'm glad we both won this dispute x)
#beta-ptr-spoilers
crystal pond
urban spire
do you remember how much content was added with weekly updates for beta and 10.5 tho?
They're pretty good at having new and decent volumes of content being added for testing each week
mostly so that they don't have small sample sizes for testing of certain stuff
like if you load everything for testing day one it's hard to get good results for each system as people will go to what they like
and if something doesn't feel good people tend to avoid it
how many days from launch was 10.5 released?
legion was 56 days to 0.1 patch, I think DF will be a bit longer since they're putting a health amount of content into the .5 and .7 patches
So we're looking at 75 days since DF launch
BFA was 119 days to 0.1, so maybe they're kind of aiming for that timeline since they are adding more content in the 0.5 patch and 0.7 patch
I think the time from 0.5 to 1.0 will be the same as launch to 0.5 tho, I think this 0.7 patch isn't a push to extend the time I think it's to just tie us over for a little longer until 10.1 comes
yeah 57 days to 10.5
so another 57 days would put us at
hmmm march 22nd for 114 days
that doesn't seem resonable since 10.0.7 isn't here yet
If 10.0.7 launches directly halfway to 10.1, from 10.0.5, then we would be looking at it's release in 11 days
which would be on the 21st approx
of this month
harsh mason
We also need to look at the size of the patches and how much it took to develop expansion as a whole. The fact is that the same 8.1 was a small patch (in general, it is the same as 10.0.7 + raid). So it's not worth comparing what was then and now
harsh mason
Um... no, there was one mini raid and a storyline. The raid of The Nighthold was made during the development of the Legion (there was much more time for development). By itself, patch 7.1 was even smaller than 8.1
OK, there was a mega-dungeon, but then again, there was essentially nothing there. Mini raid used locations from the game, story quests-they are not done for a long time.
This is one of the smallest patches
A really big patch is 7.3 or 8.2
rain cave
I think that night hold patch critique is really defendable
What released in 7.1 was released in 7.1
They're always working 1-2 patches ahead
Even expansion ahead
They don't make things purely in the time between patches lmao
harsh mason
I understand, but nighthold started testing half a year before the announcement of 7.1.
The mini raid looked like it was added at the last moment
tribal sand
i found things about the envoy system at the 10.0.7 ptr that are already in game. who should we give that info to?
but nothing in there right now
silent urchin
10.0.5 updated? I assume that's just hotfix testing
And are they ever going to remove the beta entry from launchers
Well PTR 10.0.5 reports 48069 and live is 48001 on EU
glass flicker
Next patch, vulpera.
uncut lintel
@glass flicker i neeed it
glass flicker
Everyone needs it. It's a return of slutmogger Blizzard.
dense plover
new ptr notes
forbidden reach testing
and treasure vaults are weekly (as i figured they would be)
also paladin changes appear to be in
now we wait for the build to actually drop
uncut vault
Surprised there’s still no heritage testing
dense plover
that will be last
since its just models
and realistically easy to test internally
since each horde armor set only has 3 models - orc male hunched, orc male not hunched, female orc
and the alliance has 2 - female and male
ionic terrace
they added npcs for them, at least the starter ones
quest starter*
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=202980/overseer-orca and https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=202978/captain-hu-man
oops
uncut vault
since each horde armor set only has 3 models - orc male hunched, orc male not hu...
I mean the quests moreso than the armor
upper pasture
10k elemental overflow 🥲 I just finished all the other stuff
uncut vault
man, elemental overflow drops like candy in 10.0.7
getting the launch stuff is gonna be so easy
like 1k per quest
upper pasture
Oh, we’re getting it in other ways than just the storms? That’s a relief
dense plover
they added lootables!
adamantia journal entries
envoy system
i did dragonscale
look at the minimap
doesnt seem to work right
on the minimap now
weird shrine
primal elemental gear has a new upgrade level
new currency
ways for non-dracthyr to get the vorquin mounts
deep pawn
feels like it'd be just easier to level one
dense plover
gem creation
fragments are supposed to come from breaking down at an anvil
but the anvil isnt here
upper pasture
feels like it'd be just easier to level one
easier than 40g?
deep pawn
easier than 40g?
it requires faction right now
upper pasture
oh fair, yeah then i suppose it would be easier lol
dense plover
another weird object
ember blaze
weird shrine
isnt that azshara
crystal pond
It is lol
ember blaze
she's back 🙊
royal coral
Elemental overflows ... too much to farm 😮 40k just for 4 drakes customizations
25k for a pet battle, jesus, I hope we'll have plenty of them on the new island, but like, really!
crystal pond
I wonder what this is
"Now that our Aspect knows of the dracthyr's nature, I am certain he will find a way to control their baser instincts without relying upon a titan artifact as Neltharion did."
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=204338/the-burden-of-lapisagos
"Baser instincts" What
So literally "baser instincts" Is to be mortal i guess 💀
ember blaze
are the requirements for that still the same?
or would it be level up to 60 or something
ionic terrace
no clue, though this was on a level 61
dense plover
another ptr 10.0.7 vendor build
possible we get another this week - maybe to fix some paladin stuff to actually work?
plain violet
... well, yes, human heritage armor ask you to play human.
Always been that way, was the same with blood elf heritage and weapon quest, worgen armor...
lusty root
... well, yes, human heritage armor ask you to play human.
... some people 🙄
pseudo holly
hows Ret paladin looking?
plain violet
I imagine the person was not really waking up...
From what I see, good, but need a bit more testing.
The change of school damage for spells, being a choice, is amazing.
upper pasture
might be a bombing like quest
silent urchin
afaik you don't need to do them all, if it's a fill the bar style quest
it would be 25 of the first one if you only killed the first one
but you can mix and match, so 5 of the first and 5 of the next, etc
upper pasture
oh that makes more sense
silent urchin
Hmm. Not sure I know of any large caves on that island
oh wait, I thought it was the other island
presumably inside the creche area
Not there right now but I'm guessing this room
deep pawn
Scarlet Crusade mogs?
leaden cairn
Good question 
tulip sun
Hopefully todayyyy
upper pasture
the book is found in a cave of nagas tho?
subtle oar
clearly refers to the 5th old god, azeroth
Did you just call Azeroth an Old God?
silent urchin
Yes.
upper pasture
i mean she would be an old god during the black empire rule no?
upper pasture
world soul absorbing whatever is mostly there or whatever is claimed
silent urchin
Although I do think this refers to something much larger than azshara for sure
and honestly azeroth is the only clear she
except maybe like elune but that seems even sillier than azeroth
tbh
feels like a bit of an ass-pull to justify the random hints they threw into legion+
doesn't really seem like a solid enough payoff
at least just with this
deep pawn
I mean Azshara COULD have returned to her palace after being freed and ascended somehow with Xal'atath
or it could just refer to Knaifu returning to full power too
Imagine if Knaifu was a shard of the world soul
uncut vault
I mean it's a book from naga, and it directly says it's their queen lol
the harbinger is a different character but this is 100% azshara still being around and communicating
deep pawn
My question is what kinda hole did we leave in the "veil" in her Palace?
What would it be doing to the Naga still there
In that view, the Harbinger has to either be Xal'atath or perhaps Locus Walker?
He's been very silent
crystal pond
the harbinger is a different character but this is 100% azshara still being arou...
Champions become choosen ones again 
crystal pond
I wonder what secrets they talking about, that will give a dragonkind a big shock
leaden cairn
Sylvanas returns and reawakens a long lost Dragon Aspect to stir up controversy and disturb the balance
cosmic beacon
What’s with blizz and forgetting how to make a good duelist enchant
It makes 0 sense with all the sets and weapons being red
this is cool tho
dense plover
What’s with blizz and forgetting how to make a good duelist enchant
what does this have to do with ptr?
cosmic beacon
because its on the ptr
cause theyve yet to add it cause they were "working on it|"
or something like that
so if theyre adding something next patch and only viewable on ptr then surely it relates to ptr
dense plover
so if theyre adding something next patch and only viewable on ptr then surely it...
it is?
cosmic beacon
yes
dense plover
i thought the enchant was in 10.0.5
cosmic beacon
nope
cosmic beacon
not a single person on live has it
cosmic beacon
not even listed on achieve or in the pvp rank thingy
it looks good on some mogs dont get me wrong
dense plover
i want crazy stuff like what they did for the SLs preorder
cosmic beacon
but it fits nothing current season
dense plover
see i feel like they could repurpose some of the dracthyr effects for neat enchants
or at least use those as a basis for cool ones
cosmic beacon
for the pvp one just make the lightning red and the wind black
and it instantly fits with the gear AND looks dope asf
dense plover
well part of the problem is enchants sorta get too busy with cool weapons
dense plover
how many are you posting?
dense plover
hmmm
hold on
@elder otter @cosmic beacon cant post short videos/gifs, watcher is being rude
sas can help
cosmic beacon
dense plover
sometimes watcher acts up
cosmic beacon
i posted the red one, then another within like 20 seconds and it just nukes both of em
les try now
dense plover
which is a problem for this channel since sometimes i need to post like 10 images as a post of quest dialogue and such
cosmic beacon
there we go
cosmic beacon
effect looks dope on blue/white weapons
dense plover
see i feel the problem there is the weapon already looks cool
the best use of enchants is making normal weapons like the regular swords and such coming to the trading post and making them look cool af
cosmic beacon
i used it on the very light sabre and it looks kinda dope
watch me post it
and it nuke the other
nvm
dense plover
if you give it enough time watcher will be ok
cosmic beacon
like its better than most enchants dont get me wrong, but makes 0 sense with current expansion mogs
besides like heroic sets
dense plover
honestly its really hard
because if the enchants look good on the current expac stuff, will they look good on the not heroic/mythic stuff?
dense plover
imo its become a recent problem across all classes of enchants, pvp or not
theyre scared of doing anything extravagent because they want the weapon effects to shine
cosmic beacon
just a weird choice for colours compared to alot of the pvp themes in recent times
dense plover
recolors arent off the table tbf
cosmic beacon
give us red and black version for elite
talked about it in the dk discord and they thought the same
cool on fitting coloured weapons and sets
but a black and red would be dope asf
and more incentives to push rating in shuffle or other modes
dense plover
black enchants might be in 10.1 assuming we go underground
cosmic beacon
dense plover
i expect enchants to somewhat match the dragon aspects
and 10.1 is almost definitely going to be underground/neltharion focused
but i cant say pvp will work like that
cosmic beacon
it probs wont happen with the current ongoing theme in df but id love to see 10.1 stuff be more class orientated than primalist stuff
dense plover
i dont do pvp, but im just guessing on general trends across the expac
dense plover
it probs wont happen with the current ongoing theme in df but id love to see 10....
well i dont think theyll do another primalist set
10.1 raid is probably titan/neltharion/dragon stuff
elder otter
<@107362447022653440> <@355414310714867715> cant post short videos/gifs, watcher...
I'll look at it, but it's hard to balance these things.
cosmic beacon
understandable
dense plover
I'll look at it, but it's hard to balance these things.
appreciated and understandable
dense plover
blue dragonflight for like mages
i think its more likely to be general since each tier/content type is a different color
like how heroic and normal and lfr and mythic and pvp are different colors
cosmic beacon
ye, just cool ideas if themed towards the flights
but with most the mogs this season im sure theyll do a good job
main request for next patch for pvp tho
would just do a different tabard design for elite
like they used to
elder otter
Hmm so rules are max 8 attachments per 10 seconds. But I'm assuming they're actually links? If so that's currently set to one every 20 seconds.
elder otter
appreciated and understandable
Premium Users are set to be exempt from these rules. Do you have issues posting quest dialogue?
dense plover
Premium Users are set to be exempt from these rules. Do you have issues posting ...
no not since the changes
dense plover
Hmm so rules are max 8 attachments per 10 seconds. But I'm assuming they're actu...
thats probably what was happening with arch
maybe something like 2 every 20 or 1 every 15 instead?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
knowing the rate helps avoid upsetting the bot
elder otter
maybe something like 2 every 20 or 1 every 15 instead?
I can't seem to change the quantity, but I lowered the threshold to 1/10s
dense plover
that should probably avoid it for people posting here
really appreciate it
😄
@cosmic beacon hopefully wont be a problem as much anyone - once every 10 secs links are okay now 🙂
cosmic beacon
sure
dense plover
oh sick - it didnt say that before did it
elder otter
Okay good, a message appears now to explain.
cosmic beacon
dense plover
awesome - that was gonna be my suggestion
now you dont have to wonder whats going on
elder otter
It's only available to Premium users, which we already are, thankfully. 😄
dense plover
👍
elder otter
Was it the same link? Might be a different rule.
I'm still adding messages for things.
elder otter
Okay messaging is updated for all rules.
cosmic beacon
mossy meteor
where is the build
deep pawn
Maybe some work is a bit slow cause of that meeting.
crystal pond
It was speculated it may be in april because of easter eggs
dense plover
It was speculated it may be in april because of easter eggs
i think the speculation was it cant be LATER than april because it has changes for events that happen in april
uncut lintel
: o
crystal pond
Well
I will not be surprised if they will drop patch in early april
But hope its march
lean yew
Y’all
The Azshara stuff
I am azsharas like biggest fan and I cannot fucking wait for her to get her own xpac like I’m frothing at the mouth
I’ve been frothing at the mouth for like a day now
ember blaze
I am azsharas like biggest fan and I cannot fucking wait for her to get her own ...
BFA 
visual knot
ptr doesn't have any update schedule? Or if it has not been updated this Tuesday / Wednesday, then it is pointless to wait for a new build before the next Wednesday?
subtle oar
ptr doesn't have any update schedule? Or if it has not been updated this Tuesday...
Thee is no update schedule. The patches are pushed when ready for testing
silent urchin
I think they aim for the same day each week, but sometimes it fails internal testing and gets delayed
ionic terrace
mfw i spend 1,000 overflow on some bag and it has 4,216 in it
and then next bag i got 3
LMAO
quartz turret
dense plover
finally
ionic terrace
no idea what to do with this stuff, was exploring more vault
discord pls
oh neat
there was a fire room and using the water on it removed the fire
sorry, i had to level up another character to 70 since you still can't copy evokers
also the build number should be 10.0.7.48200
as it went on dev yesterday
mossy meteor
i was right
dense plover
there was a fire room and using the water on it removed the fire
i imagine the stone dissolver can remove stone covering a chest or blocking a door
dense plover
also the build number should be 10.0.7.48200
should be once its released
taking their sweet time today
uncut vault
game me time to get home and be ready so thanks zorbrix 😛
silent urchin
"Public Orders no longer require the customer to provide non-soulbound reagents."
huh
upper pasture
huh
Public orders won’t require you to supply non soul bound things like leather and awakened stuff, I don’t see how this is hard to understand lol
upper pasture
Before the only way to not supply that stuff was with a personal order
silent urchin
Wasn't that I didn't understand it
more that I was surprised they were actually doing it
dense plover
"The professions pane has been reduced in size." - HALLELUYAH
upper pasture
Yeah I already passed that along to my MT friend who’s been bitching about the size since launch lol
silent urchin
neat
I think that's new this build
tbh may have been last build
they also seem to have got rid of the step when finding stuff where you had to go to one of those random NPCs at the pillars to decode stuff
the boxes from treasure also have loot now, although the one I got was just rep
ooh, I assume that means rares
tsukarr one is a hearth to the morqut village
aww they're consumable
were the translated entries of the lore pickups available before?
upper pasture
Did they add whatever that vendor had for 100k overflow?
silent urchin
no
plain violet
I will try that tauren questline.
upper pasture
Lame lol
silent urchin
are these recipes new this build?
dense plover
bunch of new titles
dense plover
neat
these were in the last build
or at least a bunch of them were
i posted pics last week
im willing to bet this is tied to the baine stuff, in which case we may get more centaur lore
new primal storm tooltip
theres a WQ
think they gave this a fancy new door
venture co vault
upper pasture
I wish I could copy over my Evoker to test the vault stuff 😦
silent urchin
there';s an actual portal and map node telling you how to leave a vault now too
dense plover
there';s an actual portal and map node telling you how to leave a vault now too
there is?
silent urchin
well, just a glowy bit and a map icon saying "exit"
upper pasture
I wonder what cool thing we will get for doing March’s trading post or if the mount was a one off type thing
silent urchin
but more than just "run towards the closed door"
upper pasture
the people who took those promo shots of the new WO stuff not requiring stuff should be shot. 8 runed writhebark 5 chilled rune 8 awakened decay and 1 cosmic ink and it's posted for 50g and a note that says "this should cover the extra materials! thanks!"
silent urchin
No that seems pretty accurate
leaden cairn
How much is included with the current PTR build? Are there any of the Retribution changes currently on the PTR?
plain violet
@uncut vault Man this quest is weird..
Difficult to express but.. Feel like they were really conflicted to the portray of Baine.
uncut vault
I feel it pretty firmly is a "we need to make baine an actual character again" portrayal lol
plain violet
I feel it pretty firmly is a "we need to make baine an actual character again" p...
Aha, I think you are right. xD
I was a bit surprised by the whole "wow, taurens are racists you know"
I mean they try to add nuance. Some straight up don't care, but they build the whole bad Baine about centaurs because "he can't forget but they were not the same", while at the same time telling how they were slaughtered. And while I understand the idea, it's such a difficult line without portraying the centaur or the tauren as insensitives.
So yeah.. of course Baine feel like whatever the devs want rather than well.. what he is supposed to be.
uncut vault
Well I think that's kind of the point, ultimately the tauren aren't horrible racists for being wary around centaur, they have generations of trauma regarding senseless slaughter
and theyre getting an equally bad first impression of this new group
which is why I think it's good that the questline ends with hopeful trepidation, not happy fun times hand holding after a single storyline lol
it's clear they know that not all centaur are like those they're familiar with, but that doesn't alleviate their instincts to distrust
plain violet
Maybe it need some polishing, but I agree, it cannot be "oh yes this is all better now", just... trying to little by little build something.
Did you had access to the choice of seeing or not the ceremony?
I do understand the point, that was still.. strange. (I do understand the centaur not liking Baine for that too)
deep pawn
My wild guess is Baine needs some sort of darkness he grows past as how he breaks anduin from his self imposed exile.
Varian or Jaina would be better for that role honestly but one was dusted and Jaina seems busy.
cobalt spoke
someone in here would prob know - has there been any more iteration on the human heritage armors?
or is it as it was whenever it was first added
dense plover
someone in here would prob know - has there been any more iteration on the human...
we havent seen it yet
we only have the image they showed in the post
we have no idea
cobalt spoke
Oh damn
dense plover
we dont even know if its going to look like that post
they couldve made a bunch of changes
heritage armor isnt live on ptr yet
cobalt spoke
Ah ok
I'm cautiously excited for it
was really hoping they'd go with some sort of ~one theme for each of the original human kingdoms
silent urchin
there were recolours that were somewhat themed, but just colour wise
set itself is very stormwind/lion stuff
cobalt spoke
yea
maybe they pulled it back to the drawing board a little
I remember there was some mixed response on it
uncut vault
the art put into the files today kind of implies it's not getting any changes, unfortunately
same stock images as originally shown off
ember blaze
they listened to feedback of "baine is useless not doing anything"
deep pawn
sorta surprised we haven't seen a hint of 10.1 since that is likely 3 months away
tulip sun
As soon as 10.7 drops it'll be on ptr
uncut vault
Might end up being a bit before within the next few weeks
No reason to have two PTR clients otherwise
tulip sun
@uncut vault Your tweet about Eitrigg got my thinking and I discussed it in other discards. Some seem to suggest it's because everything involving the questline is encrypted
uncut vault
The NPC still works is the thing
It’s just the model that’s encrypted
By comparison, fully encrypted NPCs aren’t interactable at all, even if they use existing models
They’re just flat boxes who can’t be clicked on
tulip sun
Inteeerresting.
I honestly never expected or really wanted Eitrigg to have a unique model, but if so? Good I guess
More leaders having models the better
Though he seems random lol
uncut vault
based on the NPC visibility Durak is also getting a custom model
deep pawn
10.0.5 ptr updates keep getting my hopes up
crystal pond
10.0.5 ptr what? 
dense plover
10.0.5 ptr updates keep getting my hopes up
there was a new 10.0.7 vendor build too
so we are likely getting a build tomorrow if everything works
deep pawn
It's just them applying hotfixes to it for now, but the expectation is that 10.0.5 ptr will become the 10.1 ptr before 10.0.7 goes live
dense plover
It's just them applying hotfixes to it for now, but the expectation is that 10.0...
probably
deep pawn
another 10.0.5 ptr update
tulip sun
Interesting
crystal pond
Yeah probably they preparing ptr for 10.1
There is no reason for 10.0.5 build to be on ptr when its live already
And new rewards will be droped like... Tomorrow?
rose escarp
And new rewards will be droped like... Tomorrow?
Yup, Trading Post should update tomorrow - but it's kind of a shame that the rewards aren't revealed ahead of it updating. We knew for February, but that was, of course, different with it being the first month live. Still.
deep pawn
Yeah probably they preparing ptr for 10.1
There is no reason for 10.0.5 build to...
they always keep the old ptr up. They'll frequently test hotfixes on it first
deep pawn
I wonder if the live patch that downloaded this morning was next month's post stuff
deep pawn
wooo
ionic terrace
dense plover
(us) VersionsName: 10.0.7.48220 → 10.0.7.48295!
ionic terrace
maybe
dense plover
ill be checking as soon as it downloads
dense plover
though FR has music
it has the music it had at launch
which is not enough
its like 8 tracks
ionic terrace
ahh
dense plover
could also be art and such
theyre planning music for this quest at least
no oggs or MP3s afaik
or local.wow.tools doesnt show them
there are 22 new mp3 entries
so there may be new music
manifestmp3.db2 shows 22 new files
ionic terrace
realms up
dense plover
100% has new music
its a bass clarinet banger
this is all 22 mp3 files they added
upper pasture
Oh no Evoker nerfs 😦 sad to see time spiral getting a range added to it 😦
dense plover
this sounds like music out of diablo
same base concept as the previous track but this one has the melody. Its very different from anything we've heard in DF so far
tonal whiplash
i actually really like this - its very sea-focused
and it has some of the sea music mixed in
theme 3
theres also a few remixes of existing themes
heritage armor music probably
afaik this is SW themes
this is either baine quest or orc heritage music
or i dont know music
this might be more human heritage music
and theres this which doesnt have specific composers tagged
idk what this is
there are dragon race WQs on the reach now
its a new racing bag too
uncut vault
@dense plover is it just me or do some of the stafford pieces sound weirdly similar to zereth mortis tracks
upper pasture
reach racer purse? i wonder what new things will be in it
dense plover
they reduced the customization scroll costs
dense plover
<@117691857911152645> is it just me or do some of the stafford pieces sound weir...
i dont think so
ionic terrace
they reduced the customization scroll costs
i see meeeeeeeeee
silent urchin
elemental overflow from the daily itself, new customisation in the bag
ionic terrace
i wish the quests still gave 1k
upper pasture
ah prolly so the old bags can't drop the new customization scrolls
ionic terrace
and they increased the "grab bag" price to 2k
upper pasture
i wish the quests still gave 1k
they don't anymore?
silent urchin
I think that was one of the customisations that's been in game files for a while but never available?
dense plover
i got a different one
dense plover
i guess 1k was too much <:luldog:824733812092174376>
it was
uncut vault
waygates are finally useful
hopefully a sign we'll get some in the patch zones too
dense plover
there are tokens for 385 gear that can drop from treasures and probably rares
upper pasture
praise! and they are BoA 😄
glass flicker
Oh hey, a bruhmaster monk. Respect.
dense plover
also i found this
silent urchin
new cursor icon for autoloot, 3 bags instead of one
surprisingly hard to screenshot a cursor
dense plover
gave me an artifact
dailies show time on tooltip now
artifact gave me 250 DI supplies and 250 rep token
which is account bound
silent urchin
feels like they fleshed out the pirate spawns a lot more
silent urchin
Anyone seen "draconic suppression powder"? found a random purple clickable that needs it
dense plover
this is interesting
dense plover
uh oh
upper pasture
strange, well at least i can funnel the rep to each alt
dense plover
fell through the world
glass flicker
Did you dc yet?
dense plover
and i bricked the character
glass flicker
Oof.
dense plover
yeah im gonna report that
dense plover
dont go to the very first door in the zskera vault on the left side when you are coming down
you will fall and brick the character
actual questline leading to the reach seems to be working now
good time to test this since the first character didnt get to do ANY of this properly
i flew them to the reach in the very first build even when they werent supposed to be able to
the storyline is still encrypted, but the quest leading to it isnt
i wonder who is with emberthal
furbolg stuff is in the journal
not much else new afaict but im stopping for now
uncut vault
i wonder who is with emberthal
at least one is ebyssian as far as we know
he got a model update for the patch
silent urchin
feels like there's more spawns/clickables in the isles but there's also still a bunch of "unknowns" with either no name or model
not sure if that's encrypted or just unifinished, although they're not new
dense plover
that probably makes the best
dense plover
not sure if that's encrypted or just unifinished, although they're not new
at this point, definitely encrypted
probably related to the story
maybe a group of dracthyr who joined the primalists, maybe a new type of drakonid type thing that they want to surprise us with or is related to a cutscene?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
deep pawn
man, the new human hair colors are so cool
deep pawn
official previews, we're within a couple weeks eh?
upper pasture
lets hope
upper pasture
10.0.7 can’t be that far away right? We just got the official preview
uncut vault
It's likely some time this month, judging by the general two month cycle they seem to be establishing
silent urchin
I'd guess 2-3 weeks max
upper pasture
i'm assuming 2 weeks if everything goes right
i just hope it doesn't fall on the week with ToS and comp stomp
crystal pond
Forbidden reach storyline fully encrypted until launch then? 🤔
digital hill
So is season 1 mythic pluses done with 10.7 coming out ?
upper pasture
no
digital hill
Good
dense plover
my guess is 2 weeks
this red set looks way better than the preview image
i havent seen any vault stuff that looks like this - maybe theres more to this than we knew?
silent urchin
that's not the vault, that's inside the creche cave
dense plover
that's not the vault, that's inside the creche cave
its under the vault stuff though
uncut vault
honestly I think it's just "the vault doesnt look interesting enough, but the dracthyr starter area does and is basically the same thing" lol
that's just the caldera cave in the open world
dense plover
huh ok
echo sandal
this red set looks way better than the preview image
Where is that image from? Looks awesome
echo sandal
https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-patch-10-0-7-content-update-is-coming-...
Oh thanks, for some reason I missed this post, saw the other one
cosmic beacon
Np
uncut lintel
https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-patch-10-0-7-content-update-is-coming-...
call blizzard and tell em to make trolls next
ive been waiting too long
hoary trail
they really need to start releasing heritage sets with matching weapon sets
uncut lintel
PLEASE
upper pasture
if troll heritage set doesn't have a shadowhunter version ill quit
uncut lintel
if troll heritage set doesn't have a shadowhunter version ill quit
dude i will unsub, delete wow account, quit, and get a life
subtle oar
call blizzard and tell em to make trolls next
Pandas!
subtle oar
dude i will unsub, delete wow account, quit, and get a life
That'll never happen
urban spire
nelf heritage when
upper lantern
nelf, draenei and troll heritage plz
worn crown
And Forsaken!
crystal pond
Yall just want cool clothes
plain violet
@uncut vault For your tweet about taurens and Xal'atath, I heard of that long ago.. A bit complicated, but even Chronicle is mysterious to their origins. One thing interesting however, for sure, is that both the fairy tales (recent book) of tauren origins, and Vanilla story told by taurens, are in a internal point of view "we were here before the old god, fallen prey to their whisers, then were saved by the earthmother"
In Vanilla that was Earth Mother, in the recent book, it's both the sacrifice of the Earth Mother, and An'she and Elune fighting against the void before coming to the sky, to protect taurens from the corruption.
(An'she being constantly wounded by a void attack and bleeding, his blood being what give light to the world in their mythos)
So I can maybe imagine taurens were maybe, something before, that were corrupted by old gods for a while before being "saved". In both cases, when the void came, the taurens were not all victims to the whispers, some were, others not, and that provoked chaos. In all cases, that's interesting of a in-universe story being from a "before" point of view.
crystal pond
And since we having taurens back in main story 👀
Readed "somg of the depth" Book
Man
First - what a big spoiler lmao
Second - i hope azeroth is not villian or evil entity, that will get rid of us all
Please no
But hey murozond thing must happen first в)
Imagine if at the end of dragonflight there will be remake of main timeline like it was in JoJo
upper pasture
so "The Harbinger" in the book is clearly Nozdormu no?
crystal pond
No
Its iridikrond
"The Harbinger speaks of a primal power that seeks the end of Order. Such rage can be bent to serve our ends."
Its clear thats iridikrond
upper pasture
yeah Nozdormu tells us about Irdikrond and why we need to stop him
"When these things come to pass, the Harbinger will fulfill the final prophecy and complete the awakening."
This has to be talking about Nozdormu's fall to become Muzozond
and also
"Even now, the Harbinger gathers the children of the first flesh to reclaim what was lost. They must remember their vows and serve those to whom they owe fealty"
this is talking about how he's gathering us to reclaim the dragon isles from those who took it and they need to remember their vows (the oathstones)
also the definition of Harbinger "a person or thing that announces or signals the approach of another."
which is literally Nozdormu's last job/vision is to become Murozond
"The Harbinger(Nozdormu) speaks of a primal power that seeks the end of Order(Iridikrond). Such rage can be bent to serve our ends.(Whoever is writting this book, assumedly someone who follows Azshara) "
why would Iridikrond speak of himself?
crystal pond
this is talking about how he's gathering us to reclaim the dragon isles from tho...
Yeha the problem is thats we have dragons, trolls, and taurens who wasnt in the "curse of flesh" Event, they was born before that
So its 100% not about champions and mortals
Its about dragons
upper pasture
and it's a generalized statement about us
crystal pond
Or dwarfs
crystal pond
and it's a generalized statement about us
Its not?
upper pasture
they aren't gonna say "the children of the first flesh, and trolls and dwarfs and taurens....and....so on and so forth"
crystal pond
Then why they said first flesh?
First fleshy things on azeroth was dragons
At least as its stated atm
upper pasture
okay even so then the dragons are gathering their forces which include us
i really don't see how that changes my statement
crystal pond
First flesh is first living things on azeroth
Or
Mortals who was corrupted by curse of flesh previously
Because its iridikrond not murozond
Murozond will happen because nozdormu SAW something that was WORSE then hour of twiling
upper pasture
okay but it still doesn't make sense that Iridikrond would speak of a primal power that wants to destroy order WHICH IS HIMSELF
upper pasture
Murozond will happen because nozdormu ***SAW*** something that was ***WORSE*** t...
yes this IS the final prophecy
crystal pond
????????
dense plover
First flesh is first living things on azeroth
Or
Mortals who was corrupted by cu...
dragons werent the first living things
drakes, tauren, and trolls are all native azerothians
dragons and elves and such were after - they were infused with titan magic
crystal pond
Protodragons call them self true dragons
So
I meam that
Taurens and troll - there nothing about their past
Wich is sad, but yeah there was there too
crystal pond
okay but it still doesn't make sense that Iridikrond would speak of a primal pow...
Also
The text can change since its ptr lol
Maybe i just dont understand english well still 
subtle oar
dragons and elves and such were after - they were infused with titan magic
Elementals > Protodrakes, then Dragons. Mortal races came later
Pandaren are also a native race
dense plover
pandaren came after pandaria was ordered
pretty sure it had to do with the water in the vale
crystal pond
Yeah
They need to fix the past of azeroth
In DOTA also there is no mortal races at all
Only dragons
And some animals
And keepers
"Where did trolls and taurens came from? "
"Yes"
upper pasture
i mean, it's kinda hard to establish lore when you've been piling on stuff for years and never had a real plan/need to explain it before then go back and try to explain it and people cry out about their own headcannon or how it's a retcon
but there's also actual retcons too
upper pasture
i mean, is it a retcon or was it planned? we will never know.
don't get me wrong it was likely a retcon but still
whatever keeps the story moving forward
crystal pond
i mean, is it a retcon or was it planned? we will never know.
It was a retcon
It was clear stated by... Metzen? Or ppl who was working back in wrath
I just remember enterview but dont remember from who
upper pasture
honestly, who cares? if they have to change things or elaborate more on a story and tweak it a bit to continue to tell a story then so be it
crystal pond
Arthas wanted to make ppl undead so they will not be curropted by legion
And then... This all happened
Honestly i dont care about the wow lore anyway but i like characters
upper pasture
i mean, that is still his reasoning. he just didn't know where he was getting power from just some dude in a sword
he didn't care as long as he could "save" those people from the legion
uncut vault
so "The Harbinger" in the book is clearly Nozdormu no?
the harbinger isnt on the dragon isles at all
they are elsewhere while these naga do something on the isles
upper pasture
yeah idk about that
subtle oar
Im with Porter on this
It definitely reads as tho the Harbinger is not on the Isles
That the Naga have been sent to meet with Iridikron
upper pasture
idk, my best guess is the Harbinger is Nozdormu and i suppose ill have to see it differently when we get the whole picture. to me all signs seem to point at him even right down to the prophecy part but that's just me
subtle oar
Nah. It definitely cant be Nozdormu.
upper pasture
¯_(ツ)_/¯
plain violet
Strange, strange.
uncut vault
Nozdormu is currently on the Dragon Isles, whereas the Harbinger is in "the deep places"
its likely not Iridikron either, because the same book talks about this, which yknow
is very clearly the primalists and iridikron lol
upper pasture
we're going into the vaults during 10.0.7 no?
those aren't underground?
and also Iridikron IS the primal power that seeks the end of order
i don't see where you're getting the idea that the Harbinger cannot be on the isles
"the deep places" doesn't mean not on the dragon isles
could literally just be the vaults of neltharion
dense plover
those aren't underground?
barely?
upper pasture
that literally could mean "while they are searching the vaults for information were gonna go straight to where Neltharion embraced the whispers (the old gods)" which if i remember correctly from the cutscene was outside raszageth's prison?
dense plover
"the deep places" doesn't mean not on the dragon isles
more likely 10.1 underground area
upper pasture
still in the dragon isles anyways /shrug
uncut vault
the vaults are a fairly surface level kind of underground haha
it's a single staircase and then you're at the bottom
the deep places is 100% going to mean the 10.1 zone, which isn't on the dragon isles
likely near it, definitely
upper pasture
that zone is 100% going to be "in" the dragon isles
dense plover
i mean - it could be off in the ocean
thats my guess
but they also need it to connect with dragonriding
uncut vault
Regardless, the note makes it clear that it is elsewhere than where the naga who wrote it currently are
which is the forbidden reach
uncut vault
oh it def will, that's not in doubt to me, theyre definitely gonna incorporate synchronous flight with the isles proper into its entry and exit
echo sandal
I know this probably wont happen but I wish the underground zone would be the unused nerubian empire underground location from wotlk.
Was running some wrath dungeons yesterday leveling alt and those cave systems for nerubians are gigantic, fitting for dragonriding aswell.
They could place it under Dragonblight (would be a good meme, returning to Dragonblight in Dragonflight but underground), and it could also have something to do with Galakronds bones.
Just a wrath baby's wish tho
dense plover
I know this probably wont happen but I wish the underground zone would be the un...
that wouldnt make sense though
because how would you fly there without a load screen from the isles?
echo sandal
I mean the same thing could be asked for previous expansions and patches, for example Argus, we had a loading screen instead of travelling in space
Or Azeroth could be simply hollow and have so long, gigantic cave systems that you could go there underground (maybe not via gameplay but with a loading screen)
or... once we establish a base of operations, we open teleports. This happens all the time
dense plover
I mean the same thing could be asked for previous expansions and patches, for ex...
no
thats no
argus wasnt in an expansion where the main system of the expansion is about seamless movement
every patch this expac will be connected to allow for no load screens
rain cave
maybe
no way to know for sure
especially if they want to make zones further away lmao
I don't see how we could go underground without a loading screen of some sort
unless there was like a scripted inbetween sequence like the.. in between of SL
just it's your dragon diving down a hole for a bit
then you pop out in the underground area
but whilst that's technically not a loading screen
it's still a loading screen
like an elavator or loading door in other games
upper pasture
yeah if it's not directly connected it's likely we'd see something akin to the SLs loading screen out/into of Orbios
echo sandal
just it's your dragon diving down a hole for a bit
Hollow Earth from the Monsterverse comes to my mind and the way they travelled there in the movie with those flying vehicles...except we would go with our drakes and the underground zone would have its own biome, weird gravity, etc... Then if the zone is a success they could eventually expand on it in further patches, expansions where there would be an entire "continent" underground but you wouldnt really notice that you are underground unless you look up the "sky".
I hope this gif works, this is what I meant and yea, it could be done in a way like the SL travelling
deep pawn
I'm pretty sure the 10.1 zone is west of the Plains but we'll see
I don't know how they add it seamlessly cause that'll drastically increase the Z axis of the map
uncut vault
That area is 99% going to be the world tree, not the underground zone
deep pawn
what says the underground zone won't be under it
The primalists seem quite happy where it was planted.
uncut vault
I mean they were trying to destroy it so they definitely are not happy lol
dense plover
reminder that the zone doesnt neccesarily have to actually fit on the current world map
even if it is connected
they can do like a nazjatar map bubble thing while still having it as part of the load zone
deep pawn
I don't get "destroy" from it, but capture it more?
I mean we already know World Trees get a direct link to what's deep under them
uncut vault
No theywere very explicitly trying to destroy it in the Ysera questline
upper pasture
why not 10.1 underground zone that get's "fixed"/covered up by world tree post 10.1
uncut vault
We dont really know why but they didn't want to plant it
I mean the zone entrance still needs to exist post-10.1 lol
upper pasture
we've seen bronze dragon do phasing for us in the past
uncut vault
Theyre 100% not doing that for concurrent patch zones lol
deep pawn
We dont really know *why* but they didn't want to plant it
didn't all the events in the chain happen AFTER the planting though?
dense plover
no
dense plover
the seed is in the dream right now
its sprouted
but its not ready to plant on azeroth
deep pawn
My impression it was planted in the Dream at the same spot though.
And World Trees exist in both the dream and Azeroth
and yeah, the planting and sprouting happened before the questline
austere gazelle
Remember, it's just a new zone, not a whole continent. So no need for loading screen underground. Moreover, I expect them to allow cliff climbing with dragons
crystal pond
It can be a new zone But with loading screen just like firelands or deepholm
Big zone under big zone = dead pc
dense plover
It can be a new zone But with loading screen just like firelands or deepholm
that would be dumb though
the whole point of this expansion is dragonriding
crystal pond
Why you cant make dragonriding in new zone lol?
dense plover
in what world would they say "we could have you fly from the tallest mountain down into a deep cave but we decided a load screen was better"
dense plover
Why you cant make dragonriding in new zone lol?
thats not my point
my point is - dragonriding within a zone isnt the same as dragonriding across the zones plural
no way the 10.1 zone isnt connected
crystal pond
Well will see at end of spring where zone will be
dense plover
if i was a gambling man, i would make a bet
crystal pond
I think it will be with loadscreen because if its not zone will be really small then
Big zone under big zone will make pc/game crash
Even realy good one
Just because on what game engine is wow right now
But yeah i would like to see zone without loadscreen too
dense plover
I think it will be with loadscreen because if its not zone will be really small ...
doesnt have to be under an existing zone
could be under the ocean
or maybe theyll do it like the oribos flight stuff
and you dragon ride but it grabs your mount and takes control until you get to the zone
either way, still the same map
upper pasture
and you dragon ride but it grabs your mount and takes control until you get to t...
100% bet this will be what it is
dense plover
thats the best case for "same map" but far away and at a modified elevation
because they cant actually go that deep underground since the dragon isles are so tall
upper pasture
It’s a loading screen that doesn’t break immersion
dense plover
well
its not a loading screen
the shadowlands was one load zone
they just had huge gaps between them
crystal pond
Its not loading screen yeah
Its called different
dense plover
shadowlands was like this
so im saying they would put the zone in the same load zone but far enough away where you cant actually see it
and its just a big box or a walled zone with an unclimbable skybox
crystal pond
Yeah
Its like when you entering from oribos to other zones the code making your pc load new zone
Instead of loading whole map
dense plover
Yeah
Its like when you entering from oribos to other zones the code making your...
no thats wrong
you arent listening or reading
theyre all already loaded
theyre in the same world zone
same as eastern kingdoms is one world zone
or dragon isles is
its just hiding the huge black space and massively boosting your speed
but it depends - if they have enough height available, it might just end up under part of the ocean
for context, this whole map is the current load zone - theres a lot of space left
this is a little bit out of date since its from 10.0.2
this is still out of date but is closer
last updated from a 10.0.2 beta build
theres a ton of open space
enough to fit multiple huge zones
and thanks to sharding and dynamic loading, it wouldnt cause any lag except maybe if you have a huge view distance and are looking from one side all the way to the other
if the game didnt prevent that, which it does
uncut vault
I could honestly see them kind of using this same system for an underground zone, both for zone implementation reasons and zone fantasy
the entrance to the zone being a big hole somewhere, that you enter via dragonriding and get put into an auto-travel mode
going super fast downward to give the fantasy that it's actually deep underground
and not just a mildly subterranean cave
echo sandal
the entrance to the zone being a big hole somewhere, that you enter via dragonri...
Imagine if entering nazjatar was done like this, they could have made some fun achievements where you could surf down or something 
dense plover
Imagine if entering nazjatar was done like this, they could have made some fun a...
wouldnt have worked since both of the continents were separate maps in BfA
echo sandal
I just mentioned a fun idea
Not everything is about possible/not possible
But for you, let me clear it
If nazjatar wasnt a completly seperate continent, it would have been fun if entering the zone was similar to the mentioned idea above
Is that okay now?
dense plover
i was just saying it wouldnt be possible - never said it wouldnt have been cool
you dont need to be a dick
jade basalt
There's also the possibility it works something similar to the Primalist Tomorrow zone (or Korthia or Zereth Mortis or Argus..), , little portal that gets you to the new underground zone
silent urchin
I'm expecting a separate zone if its underground, from a practical purpose it gives them a lot more options
but I expect it wont be long til we find out
crystal pond
10.1 ptr will drop pretty soon also
dense plover
There's also the possibility it works something similar to the Primalist Tomorro...
i really hope not because again - being able to swoop down in to a huge underground zone would be amazing
errant prairie
:0
upper pasture
Oh boy! 😄
upper pasture
please not on ToS week
crystal pond
please not on ToS week
...what ToS mean? 👀
upper pasture
trial of stytle
mossy meteor
upper pasture
it's actually ToS AND comp stomp week so ill be busy grind transmogs and pvp mogs lol
crystal pond
Imagine if they accidentally will drop 10.1 (for datamine atleast) before 10.0.7 will launch
deep pawn
WOO
deep pawn
There's also the possibility it works something similar to the Primalist Tomorro...
Fun fact, Primalist Tomorrow doesn't count as doing quests on Dragon Isles
deep pawn
Imagine if they accidentally will drop 10.1 (for datamine atleast) before 10.0.7...
It's tough cause they do say the Forbidden Reach tells us where we're going next
so 10.1 would slightly spoil that, but we also know underground is next anyways
deep pawn
I'm hoping for 10.1 and a release candidate 10.0.7 tomorrow
silent urchin
Well all of the announcements out
jade basalt
silent urchin
I guess we can expect a few more posts still
signal bone
jade basalt
The zone has various entry points throughout the Dragon Isles, it's basically everywhere under the Isles themselves
deep pawn
Underrot is a mandatory shroud dungeon too
There's no way they think it's been long enough to give us two bfa m+ dungeons back
deep pawn
Unless they think we reacted poorly to mop
crystal pond
So 10.1 ptr droping sooner then 10.0.7
deep pawn
And vortex pinnacle is cata right?
Vortex pinnacle has a lot of mechanics that won't scale pretty
silent urchin
Morgan: That is real! That will be on the PTR. The PTR is coming later this week I believe
from the interview post
Players can Dragonride through the Isles and dip down into the cavern in Thaldraszus, Azure Span or the Ohn’ahran Plains to traverse that massive zone, all without dismounting.
no load screen
silent urchin
But as you go into our 10.0.7 update, for example, you will see that the other black dragon, Ebyssian, develops a close bond with Emberthal and helps her in this quest to find their future. All these stories are really intertwined in the underground. apparently unrevealed story in 10.0.7 too
I forget if mentioned this earlier, but there's a new trait called Ground Skimming that will actually let you recharge your vigor while you're flying really close to the ground rather than right now the only way to recharge your vigor is to fly at that really high speed. !
subtle oar
no load screen
That's gonna be painful for ppl with lower end pcs
silent urchin
I doubt it. Not loading stuff you can't see is a solved problem in games for ages
crystal pond
awooga
dense plover
```Players can Dragonride through the Isles and dip down into the cavern in Thal...
Called it
Wouldn’t have made sense otherwise
Sounds like it’s literally beneath the middle of the continent
And they’re going to use the raised height of those 3 zones to allow it to have depth
silent urchin
it's clearly the better solution, just wasn't sure if it was practical
felt like they were gonna need long ass caves to actually get all the way down into the zone
other sites have zone images
it's not quite as open as I expected
feels a little claustrophobic in terms of height, but it probably wont take much getting used to
dense plover
I’m sure it’s a full sized zone and we don’t have a proper sense of scale
Also you can post those images here
ivory meadow
gonna pretty packed with Morgan saying that 10.1 ptr is going to be this week
deep pawn
We have the patch date so 10.0.7 will be release candidate and basically done now
I do hope they add Worgen tails
dense plover
it's not quite as open as I expected
i mean this looks pretty big and open
dont think we have a sense of height currently
but i love the aesthetic
kinda deepholm esque
and it definitely isnt small - buildings help provide SOME sense of scale
its built with dragonriding in mind
nice to see the drogbar are back though
and this confirms the mole people WERE for 10.1
and that theyre tiny
another image showing scale
finally - proper drogbar civilization
mole people are called the Niffen
looks like we are actually getting class tiers again
complete with class colors
upper pasture
hmmmm...i wonder if the evoker set will give us those legs and boots in dragon form too
upper pasture
they look akin to what we already have
dense plover
finally revisiting the part of borean tundra that i actually liked but not garbage!
and the use of glowing plants and rocks is going to make this zone SO unique
deep pawn
didn't we have glowing rocks and mushrooms all over Deepholm?
dense plover
raid images
dense plover
didn't we have glowing rocks and mushrooms all over Deepholm?
yes but deepholm wasnt connected to the rest of the world 😛
closer look at tier sets
some of these are other difficulties - so theyre not all the same difficulty
LONG BOI CONFIRMED
RED ALERT
deep pawn
ptr tomorrow?
dense plover
"New traits, glyphs, and races will become available as you ride your drake through Zaralek Cavern and a new mount—the Winding Slitherdrake—can be earned along with its customizations as you continue your journey."
upper pasture
10.1 ptr likely 3/21
dense plover
winding slitherdrake confirmed
upper pasture
or am i miss remembering?
silent urchin
interviews said this week
upper pasture
oh no later this week
silent urchin
and interviews also confirmed the dragon mount
upper pasture
well "likely"
upper pasture
guess who finished the RaF rewards last week 🙂
plain violet
I do love those sets, and the zone seem really interesting.
The alien part with dracthyr... good idea.
upper pasture
i wonder with the rework of valor/conquest into a newer system for upgrading will we see a limit to the newer items being placed and a removal of the caps on the old systems or viceversa
upper pasture
i wonder if they will announce the D4 crossover thing with KFC now
deep pawn
there's a patch cinematic press have seen but they haven't released yet
it could be the 10.0.7 finale though
mossy meteor
i imagine the cinematic will be released by blizzard tomorrow
oooor it might wait the patch release itself
dense plover
oh man
we get cool outdoor gear
sometimes they dont do new sets
or they arent cool
jade basalt
I’m sure it’s a full sized zone and we don’t have a proper sense of scale
It's apparently the same size or slightly bigger than Zereth Mortis, at least according to T&E