beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

i dont have enough keys

looks like you can walk back outside through the door

more flags

i dont have a map compare tool, but it seems bigger overall than before

[silent urchin]

there was a lot of unused area before

there's a number of items referring to that vault, it seems like it's going to be some sort of repeatable scenario

[dense plover]

there might be new music

[uncut vault]

methinks this isnt supposed to be active yet lol

[dense plover]

lol

map absolutely isnt right - this is caldera coaster

vrykul shipwreck

ore seams are back

its very pretty

[silent urchin]

I wonder how good seams are

[dense plover]

i see a big primalist area i havent seen before

[dense plover]

12 ore - 6 silver, 6 gold

but im max mining

dragonskull island - also those lifts are all over the zone - its nice

[silent urchin]

Is there a quest to get there?

[dense plover]

uh - weird black gem and unnamed undead dracthyr

[silent urchin]

Or do you just go

[dense plover]

no i flew over

theres no bad effect anymore

big cave - empty

[frank rose]

undead!

[crystal pond]

No story quests 😔

[dense plover]

its the area from before

[frank rose]

Ooh what if we get fancy drac glyphs

[dense plover]

the blue things are glowy

looks like blue magic ran wild here

theres snow - i dont think there was any before

[silent urchin]

Captain placeholder!

Uninteractable though

[dense plover]

it definitely is unfinished but also impressively close to finished

it feels much bigger

like 1/3 the size of other zones - which for a not-major patch is huge

[silent urchin]

there's an island off to the north too, although nothing on it yet

[dense plover]

there was an enemy, i killed it, it unlocked the chest

potentially planned WQ?

[silent urchin]

neat, these exist too

also there's at least one underwater cave

huh

well it's accurately named

[dense plover]

im missing 1 glyph

[silent urchin]

DCd then crashed on relogging

[dense plover]

uh oh

[silent urchin]

can't even get to char screen now

[dense plover]

got 2 more keys, went back to the quest vault

theres a LOT of doors

[uncut vault]

yeah these seem like some long term key investments

gotta unlock all of them to get higher floors it seems

[dense plover]

dont know what the currency will be

[silent urchin]

I got a bunch of keys already, tbh

[dense plover]

maybe the artifacts?

[silent urchin]

seem fairly easy

[dense plover]

still havent found 6 dracthyr

[dense plover]

i dont think this is the only vault

[uncut vault]

it isnt

there's a quest after

[dense plover]

hence the subtitle - zskera vault: az

[dense plover]

wish i could get that since i cant find the freaking dracthyr

[silent urchin]

Did one of the races, fairly easy on all difficulties

although reverse races seem to be much tighter

[uncut vault]

the dracthyr quest isnt needed

[dense plover]

oh didnt even think of that

[silent urchin]

trees still biggest enemy

[dense plover]

how did you get your keys?

[ionic terrace]

meh, still can't copy my 70

[silent urchin]

couple of chests around

kill the dudes and chests open

[dense plover]

do they show on the minimap or only some?

[silent urchin]

Some do, at least

[dense plover]

i found a quest

also black dragon?

[silent urchin]

engineer teleport has spots

[dense plover]

another

[silent urchin]

found one myself

[dense plover]

cant turn them in

seems like i cant test a ton here

[ionic terrace]

haha i knew it

they didn't add a worgen monk quest so you're stuck as of now

[dense plover]

havent figured out the fire rooms

dont think this is the testing focus

[silent urchin]

Is that part of the vault?

[dense plover]

yeah

i meant the vault generally tho

i think its still very WIP

ok

i completed the "use 3 more keys" quest

looks like the active vault rotates each week or every few days based on a brief quest turnin dialogue

so the vault for you looks a certain way each week (i assume different for each person)

[silent urchin]

that seems to fit with everything else this expansion

[dense plover]

i found a journal entry quest item in the vault

[silent urchin]

and there's loads of purple highlighted lootables that can give keys

[dense plover]

so looks like there are lore items scattered

[silent urchin]

although mostly they give 10.0 loot placeholder

[dense plover]

i havent found many

think i tested all i want to test until we have more vault stuff and some working currency

[silent urchin]

probably because I've been flying around a lot more

[dense plover]

seems neat - easily soloable, semi-random, no huge time commitment

i like it

gems probably need to be less common

but i assume thats because they dont have other loot items in the pool yet

[silent urchin]

I'm ok with them being real easy

[dense plover]

i assume youll be able to get gear with currency

[dense plover]

they maybe should be SLIGHTLY harder

ie increase mob health by like 10-15% maybe increase their damage by 5-10%

[silent urchin]

Just need to figure out where talons watch is..

[dense plover]

oh

its the little island

right before forbidden reach

the one thats between the fatigue zone

[silent urchin]

I wonder if its worth looking to see if the furbolg have anything yet

[dense plover]

might be

damnit

gonna log back on

https://tenor.com/view/curse-aukerman-comedy-fist-in-air-shaking-gif-5620082

[silent urchin]

:(

[dense plover]

heading over

[dense plover]

theyre over here right?

[silent urchin]

Yeah, and also some on an island west of iskara

possibly here ish

although the questgiver is definitely near where you are

[dense plover]

this is all thats new

theyre top right btw

[ionic terrace]

can't find any worgen monk npcs yet 😦

[silent urchin]

ooh ok, I guess I've literally never been back after quests

[dense plover]

there are furbolgs in that area too though

i assume pally changes are maybe in?

but overall - not a lot to test yet

[silent urchin]

oh boy another one

[dense plover]

makes sense since most people will be there

go see what the loot is

my guess is keys and temp

[silent urchin]

Probably

but I went indoors and it wasn't :(

well

chest just disappears

[dense plover]

XD

[silent urchin]

can';t find the last race

southern reach route

[silent urchin]

found it

all seem to work without any excessively punishing times

did the vast majority first time

there's no timed aspect to the vault, is there?

so does the vault reset each time you enter, or is it fixed for the week and you can just open stuff as much as you have keys for

found a "protective ward of flames" in the vault, I guess that works on chests

Or not

nvm it did work but seems like there's weird stuff blocking you with camera angles

[urban spire]

wonder if it will be like the throne of thunder chest run

/isle of thunder

[urban spire]

https://www.engadget.com/2013-03-16-a-guide-to-looting-the-troves-of-the-thunder-king.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAB0h11Wx7GKQJCp6hxPRLrn6_TWbSyi6sSepS_wBOraJfaxKS_qoASiFPzy1Z5v0x2B-iWroNKttJqdj2_Munao5QmZPFE7wQna_cJpJmnIus5YYNN-AzcR5BhfPP5dGZ-sWQjXZBh9BDohfuvbYCdGDTKQco73aNln-Mo4zqBUH

[silent urchin]

I am 3 keys short it seems :(

and no, doesn't seem to be quite the same

[dense plover]

the vaults seem to be static until they change

[silent urchin]

Makes sense

[dense plover]

and in all liklihood, since some of it is upgrades, either each vault has static progression permanently or they reset each week

[silent urchin]

Guess you can "finish" it each week

[dense plover]

its unclear if they reset or not

[silent urchin]

Yeah, feels like you're going to unlock more?

[dense plover]

theres a LOT of doors in the vault

theres 4-5 vaults mentioned in some dialogue

thats 4 including Az

5 might make sense if they match the number of flights

[silent urchin]

right, got my extra 3 keys

Lets see what that does

I did manage to rescue 6 dracthyr but that quest can't be handed in yet either

ooh ok I got wall hacks and there's definitely a 3rd floor with stuff as well

[dense plover]

yeah - the bubbles let you see higher

but i wouldnt be surprised if after you finish the vault, you get another

though realistically, this should only be the patch for 2-3 months

so they essentially need to make each vault last 3-4 weeks

[silent urchin]

ok 4 floors, 8 per floor (only 5 on ground floor)

so 29 keys for this vault

also I found a bug!

the tinker tron takes all your neltharion gift tokens, not just one, on the repeatable quest

I have been cheated out of useless garbage

time gating seems confirmed

[candid ruin]

[silent urchin]

Could see it being a one-off

maybe with a repeatable thing at the end

[uncut vault]

makes sense tbh, the vault key drops will probably be tuned to fit into that timeframe

so that you get enough to unlock all the door, or close to it, by the time the next is found

or maybe its tied to the new rep, who knows

[silent urchin]

they seem pretty much 100% from rares

and rares are common

[dense plover]

oh i figured it would rotate back and forth between the 4 every few days or every week

[deep pawn]

is the vaults basically Thunder Vaults again?

[dense plover]

maybe? i never did that

[silent urchin]

No, so far it seems fixed and peristent

[dense plover]

? priest stuff?

or like?

[upper pasture]

proving grounds?

👀

[deep pawn]

yeah, all class trainers can send you to it

[uncut vault]

Yeah, I spoke to her on an orc priest and she gave this unique dialogue

orc priests are basically shamans who focus on the spiritual side rather than the elemental side

and they exist as a direct result of the Horde PC helping the orc spirits in Nagrand during TBC

[deep pawn]

that's cool

also... a bit concerning. Is the spirit element Light?

[deep pawn]

the thunder vaults were pretty consistent too

[uncut vault]

likely connected in some form

Velen's always had his whole "life is the light, and the light is life itself" idea

[deep pawn]

But that would mean World Souls eat light?

[uncut vault]

elements arent directly of a cosmic force, like how decay is different from death

[subtle oar]

Azeroths world soul ate the primal force of Spirit, not Life

The lack of Spirit was why the Elements were so hyper aggressive and dominating

[deep pawn]

yeah, an orc priests are equating the light to an element of inner spirit

[subtle oar]

Thats completely different than actual Spirit

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault Have you seen Rehze/Durak(Thralls children), or Baine/Mayla anywhere?

[uncut vault]

Baine is getting a questline in 10.0.7

[tulip sun]

Or really, any tauren at all? They have a lot of files in the database. Lots of lesser known characters- from WC3 and comics

[uncut vault]

none of the others

[tulip sun]

I guess it may just not be implemented yet

Really interested what theyre doing with these windtotem, even pulling Ironhoof out of the comics

[uncut vault]

Baine's quest seems to involve the nokhud, so I think they may be reconciling the tauren with the centaur in some form

[tulip sun]

In the files there are generic windtotem tauren named like captured, survivor, etc.

So I wonder if the Windtotem made some sort of Exodus to the dragon isles and the Nokhud got them somehow

Then Baine comes to save em

And it isn't a variety of tribes, just Windtotem other than Baine, Mayla, and two others; Ironhoof(from comics) and a man named Tagar Bloodhoof

[crystal pond]

I hope this time we will see origins of tauren that was supposed to be in Shadowlands

[glass flicker]

Unless Baine decides to sit it out. Again.

badum tsh

[uncut vault]

given how they handled elune, its for the best we never got that lol

[tulip sun]

I don't think this'll have anything to do with tauren origins

[uncut vault]

they already got enough mess by basically saying "the tauren are the only race in the universe that got Elune's name wrong" lol

[tulip sun]

Just hopefully character development for Baine and seemingly other tauren. Which is sorely needed

[glass flicker]

Baine can have some character development. He just needs to stand up.

[uncut vault]

I think it's pretty much just Baine finally getting some uncomplicated plot where he supports his people and shows that he can be a strong leader

[crystal pond]

But for what this quote about their corruption then
Blizzard

[uncut vault]

he's been an aggressively terrible leader for years now

[glass flicker]

[crystal pond]

Writers *

They made Baine reaaly bad character

[tulip sun]

I am so ready for it because I love the tauren

[glass flicker]

Baine can be a good leader. He just needs some encouraging words from papa Cairne, and Thrall telling him he never forgave Garrosh, though he still mourns him.

[tulip sun]

But Baine has been so meh

[crystal pond]

Literally war crimes

[tulip sun]

And I hope they give these other tauren some nice story too, obviously let Baine shine but the tauren need some secondary peeps.

[glass flicker]

Mayla.

[tulip sun]

Theyre cutting deep to bring these tauren characters back so, hopefully it isn't for nothing

Bovan, Tagar, Tam, Ironhoof

[uncut vault]

Seeing some of the other chieftains would be nice, show that the tauren are more than just Good Tauren, Evil Tauren, and Token Druid Tauren lol

[glass flicker]

Also, all Grimtotems are buttholes. Just the facts.

[tulip sun]

Sadly the Windtotem chieftain seems to be the one Windtotem not in the files 🤣

[crystal pond]

And explaing things wtf about magatha again

[tulip sun]

Literally Harken(the chieftain) is the only named windtotem not in

[uncut vault]

tauren haven't really felt like a coalition of tribes since the grimtotem got booted, theyre kinda just all homogenous Baine underlings who do nothing except occasionally show up to direct you to Baine

[tulip sun]

Yeah.

It is good that they seem to be focusing on at least one other tribe during this questline- plus some Bloodhoof(Baine himself and this Tagar guy).

and Ironhoof, whichever he is in

[glass flicker]

Give Baine a cinematic, talking to papa Cairne and the tauren tribes showing sympathy and respect.

[crystal pond]

Oh pls no

[uncut vault]

Like it'd be nice to have some of them actually confront Baine over his ineptitude in recent years, turn what's been a frustrating plot into impetus for development into a stronger chieftain

[tulip sun]

The Highmountain may not have gotten extremely in depth but each tribe was still sort of distinct and had their thing going, chieftains had their own personalities and such

[crystal pond]

Cinematic would be nice but not that

[uncut vault]

I think they kinda put the nail in the coffin for him doing anything with Cairne again

[tulip sun]

Mulgore tauren? Other than Baine it is just...names and that is it lol

[uncut vault]

its kind of a moot plot point at this point because he's already met Cairne as a spirit five times in the story lol

and now Shadowlands basically has Baine say that he doesnt need to talk to his father for guidance anymore

[glass flicker]

Really? doesn't play Horde

[crystal pond]

Read books

[uncut vault]

which yknow, was clearly an excuse for why he was in the xpac and did nothing

his content clearly got cut

[crystal pond]

There is alot in them too

[glass flicker]

[uncut vault]

Yeah he has three in game, then two in books, most notably in War Crimes where he asks him for guidance during the trial where he had to defend Garrosh

blizz just never really knew what to do with him otherwise so they just keep repeating the same plot beat lol

[crystal pond]

This one give me laught for some reason

[glass flicker]

Jailer dropped his butt off a building, Thrall shouted "BAINE, NO!" and Anduin healed him. That's the extent of his plot in Shadowlands, besides giving Sylvanas a slightly rude glare.

[uncut vault]

don't forget Thrall went shopping while Baine's soul was being torn apart lol

[crystal pond]

This quest man

[glass flicker]

"Why do people like swords anyway? Too much head. Not enough shaft."

[tulip sun]

I kind of have high hopes for this quest tbh

Idk why

But I am excited

[uncut vault]

the cursory details feel like pretty much a direct reaction to the absolute meme his character has become

[crystal pond]

Baine story is poor comedy where he is clown

[glass flicker]

Baine, the one who sits.

[uncut vault]

I can only hope they know that he needs actual development and not just "he kills shit then goes back to being the exact same dude"

[subtle oar]

I mean, MoP gave us the origins of the Tauren. They are descendants of ancient Yaungol.

[glass flicker]

Okay, here's a good one. What if Baine spoke to the alternate version of Garry Hellscream, who's a Lightbound?

[tulip sun]

The characters they are pulling in seem kind of important

Bovan was Cairne's like second in command in WC3 I read

[glass flicker]

Told him of his crimes in this universe, which makes the alternate Garry go "eugh"

[tulip sun]

Ironhoof was Cairne's close friend

[crystal pond]

Yeah and the well of eternity changed them in process
Im talking about the one origin about tauren corruption

Wich apparently abandoned

Oi
Is stay awhile quest is available? The new one with black dragon?

[glass flicker]

What's the tauren boss in the Vault of the Incarnates, again?

He could'a had more lore.

[crystal pond]

Kurog

[glass flicker]

Maybe a reason for Baine to fight on the Dragon Isles too.

[subtle oar]

The Well didn't change them, iirc. They returned to Cenarius and his teachings whilst another tribe went north and became the Taunka

[glass flicker]

"He is Grimtotem, thus he is my responsibility"

Give him something to do.

[crystal pond]

But he is dead

[glass flicker]

Yeah.

[crystal pond]

About taurens
Not about their ancestors

[glass flicker]

Do you think tauren look at cows and go "moo, to you, too, my friend"

[crystal pond]

For sure

"The tauren here are remarkably resilient to corruption, considering their origins."
Because this quote... Its haunting me

[subtle oar]

O.o

Wheres that?

[crystal pond]

Yeah its from xalathath

[tulip sun]

Did they not add any worgen monk trainer to gilneas city yet?

[crystal pond]

Nah

[subtle oar]

Ah, Xalatath

[crystal pond]

There a lot of npc missing atm

[subtle oar]

Take everything a creature of the void says, with a pound of salt

[crystal pond]

Well i mean
Many quotes from them already came true

Especially the last ones with all datamined things

[tulip sun]

I wonder if it is because they havnt decided how to do it yet

Because Gilneas was so isolated; would a pandaren be able to get in?

[deep pawn]

Did you make a worgen monk?

The trainer is likely in the phased starting scenario

I admittedly haven't done the worgen heritage but I thought open world gilneas was still empty

[tulip sun]

Yeah; I tried making a character and I got to the part where you get to all the trainers

and just no quest or npc

[uncut vault]

the post only mentioned stormwind (where I also cant find any worgen monks lol)

future build hopefully

[tulip sun]

Yeah, I hope so.

I know it may be complicated timeline wise but I think they could make it work somehow, they need to be able to play the OG starting zone

[uncut vault]

tbh they could always just make it like druids, where they have a lesser version prior to leaving the zone

just make it a street brawler

[tulip sun]

That could always work, though I'm sure theyll just say that a pandaren somehow was in gilneas when the walls were put up or something

[uncut vault]

the goblin one is literally just

[deep pawn]

Oh did it say stormwind? I just know I read Kezan for goblins and you never go back there

[uncut vault]

a woman with bombs on her hands

[tulip sun]

In the OG instanced starting zone

[deep pawn]

Draenei monks are taught by a pandaren who just happened to be there

[tulip sun]

Is that all she said? I just assumed she was taught by a traveling pandaren.

[deep pawn]

I don't need another monk, but man, goblins are cool

[uncut vault]

I can go see if her quest says anything else

[tulip sun]

I am doing goblin atm

Idk when the class quest pops up

[deep pawn]

Omg... BoA primal chaos

This expansion is literally perfect now

[tulip sun]

Oh

Class quests arnt a thing anymore are they @uncut vault 💀

[deep pawn]

You'll sometimes get sent to speak to a trainer

Worgen warlocks get sent to their trainer

[uncut vault]

they are in gilneas still

goblins might have been optional?

[tulip sun]

Guess ill see as I continue

If they dont pop up before I leave Kezan im assuming its a no

Though then there is the question why bother adding one

[deep pawn]

Non panda monks are already a small minority and goblins will be even rarer

[tulip sun]

I meant in the cata-era starting zone

[proper palm]

Prety cool stuff
I try the new artifact legion account bind (The quest), the M+ recolor is account bind too

[deep pawn]

I need to finish the dungeon meta some day

What's the third recolor?

[tulip sun]

Yeah I have no idea

Doesn't seem like we have any quests for goblins at least

[deep pawn]

I always mix up which ones are 30 dungeons, heroic kj, and other stuff

[proper palm]

One day, the same thing for the challenges skin I hope .. (For the 10 RBG xD, done on my main long ago but i'm only playing ret :x)

meta achivement legion dungeon / world boss / M+15 recolor are bind to account now (Sorry, bad english)

[deep pawn]

Oh, the stupid world boss one. Yeah that one sucked

[crystal pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/quest=73108/sending-stone-the-prisoner
So we gonna freed adamanthia and found out wtf has happened

why blizzard making Neltharion look like he was evil all time...

[deep pawn]

We don't know how early he began to listen to whispers

[crystal pond]

Even before he began an aspect

It was in dota

Well he heard them but didnt lissen

[glass flicker]

Deathwing started talking with the Old Gods on Skype around the time of the War of the Ancients.

[dense plover]

we find this next to a frozen adamantia

so uh

idk about freeing her

[dense plover]

before that

he was already corrupted by then

[crystal pond]

But for what he imprisoned her D:

[glass flicker]

Before it, but not too long. Few hundreds of years.

[dense plover]

repost of my image from early of adamantia

[crystal pond]

Man need to wait for march for full story

[dense plover]

probably not

story just isnt on ptr yet

[languid yoke]

worgen racials non-existant for worgen monks, can't be a proper worgen monk

[crystal pond]

100% thry will not drop full story

[languid yoke]

[glass flicker]

Gotta wonder how worgen will be able to hit with their claws as a monk, without the possibility of afflicting other people.

Wear mittens, pls.

[dense plover]

no but probably 80-90%

[coarse quail]

They added so many currencies... I wonder why.

[rain cave]

Is that how it still works? Thought the ritual stopped that aspect alongside their feral ness

[glass flicker]

Fenris Isle?

Those weren't feral.

[rain cave]

No

The starting zone

[glass flicker]

Fenris Isle comes after.

So what do you think?

[rain cave]

I mean the night elf ritual they did

[glass flicker]

😐

[rain cave]

In the tree

That makes it no longer a curse effectively

So I'd imagine it dispelled the spreading nature of it

[glass flicker]

Unless you drink worgen blood.

[rain cave]

Otherwise their feral druids would be causing a lot of uh

Problems

[glass flicker]

You can still drink worgen blood and get afflicted.

[rain cave]

Makesense

[crystal pond]

Poggers

THERE WAS FIVE OLD GODS

Yall

Waiting for the last one

[gloomy tangle]

G’huun was the 5th according to wowpedia

[silent urchin]

Daily quests reset, there's now a different vault available

Ur this time

[crystal pond]

Ghuun not technically an old god
He was an opsie from Titans creations

Bruh
Saw new pages with the same book and its saying that Neltharion was worshiping old gods

[silent urchin]

Don't have any keys to actually open anything in the Ur vault

[crystal pond]

Its saying stuff like
"Titans destroyed the Old God empire when they was who truly shaped the world"

Wtf

"First, the Titans recklessly wounded the world, and then insisted that it was allegedly done according to intent. Ridiculous! The old gods are the ones who strengthened the flesh of this world, not the Titans!"
From the book
Sorry it can be different
Its translation from another language

Now i want to see wrathion ptsd from that

[silent urchin]

Interesting, vault had a side quest today to get a thingy, and now I'm off to ask veritistrasz about it

[harsh mason]

Ghuun-fake

I'm betting that 5 was Xal'atath

[rain cave]

G'huun wasn't imprisoned when the titans showed up

so he wouldn't be the 5th

G'huun came along after the fact, with their experiments into what old gods were

[jade basalt]

The text is actually the same as this old book from Vanilla https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Old_Gods_and_the_Ordering_of_Azeroth

It's just "annotated" now so the new bit is the note at the bottom

[ionic terrace]

Welp, they put the goblin monk trainer on Kezan but not the Lost Isles so you're stuck after the fist part here

[dense plover]

looks like we might see a 2nd 10.0.7 build this week

just got a new wowdev

[subtle oar]

This does confirm a 5th old God tho, seeing as they did not change the text

[dense plover]

ive been saying for a while that the 5th old god was killed by the other 4 and its corpse is directly beneath the dragon isles'

and its how theyre going to tie back to that old concept art with the giant shelled squid thing

[subtle oar]

Well, we have the Black Locus, which whispers to the Player and tells the player to "Seek me underground"

[crystal pond]

Yeah the problem is
"At some point between 2006-07-21 and 2006-08-28 the number of Old Gods in the in-game version and on the official website was altered from four to five. Some time later, the number of Old Gods was removed from the version on the official website."

And now this is in game again

About five old gods

[dense plover]

think theyve been saying 4 + 1 dead one for a WHILE

and people assumed one was ghuun until we learned ghuun isnt a natural old god

[urban spire]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1j1o94/5th_old_god_speculation_info_in_comments/

this is from 10 years ago lol

[dense plover]

its been speculated for a while

and considering nzoth WASNT under the dragon isles

i think something needs to be

[silent urchin]

Well, it's basically confirmed that there is

There's plenty of hints at weird old god corruption - but particularly that one quest in the west of azure span, right next to the suspicious looking giant blocked cave entrance that is being excavated

[rain cave]

I mean, I'm curious as to what remains of nzoth in the black blade is up to if this is leading into a new old god

is he pulling strings to bring back an ally?

a tool?

perhaps What remains is but the body of an old god?

Xalatath's old body

in which case, perhaps the crashed ship with the old god eyes/tentacles is how Nzoth was brought here first

[dense plover]

this is sorta my bet

is that nzoth will put himself in the body of a much stronger old god

[rain cave]

I mean Tyr had to of learned how to extract his consciousness somehow right?

and we know titans like to learn from observation

especially tyr

[rain cave]

the oldest god

[dense plover]

also the whole dragon purifying water thing but before they perfected it - isnt that what made galakrond?

[rain cave]

just curious as to what the body would be

since obviously they're all similar but

they all shift in terms of their focused body parts

C'thun is a giant eye

Nzoth has tentacles

Yogg is mouths

Y'shaarj was heads, kinda

obv they all have overlap

but in terms of what specifically each one has had primarily

[subtle oar]

For a long time, they've been teasing Y'shaarj too.

[crystal pond]

Hold up
So if there fifth old god under dragon isle it mean that THIS old god corrupted waters, not yogg
And blizzard put yogg in book so they will not spoiler about the last old god

[dense plover]

i think its more that the other 4 destroyed this god

and the corpse of this old god corrupted the waters in the isles

[crystal pond]

The thing is
Its saying that water was corrupted AFTER imprisonment of the old gods

[dense plover]

yes

because theres a fucking corpse there

old god corpse = bad influence

[crystal pond]

I dont think there a corpse of old god

The old gods cannot be killed

They cant die

[dense plover]

uh

yshaarj

also old gods can definitely kill old gods

[crystal pond]

They can be bannished really hard and probably this what happened
But then its able to return back and make water dirty

[crystal pond]

Did sha banished from pandaria after that?

[dense plover]

after garrosh, yes

[crystal pond]

Lore wise

[dense plover]

yes lore wise

the sha are actually gone

well

they dont come back

and new ones arent made

but like - sha-infused places still need to be cleaned up

[crystal pond]

Hmmm

Well let see what bliizard up too

Dont think there is a corpse of old god
But there is active old god under isles

[silent urchin]

I think it's partly a matter of semantics. They can die but they're not strictly gone when that happens, at least not immediately

Their influence hangs on for a long time

plus maybe they can ask malfurion to take their place in the shadowlands for a bit so they can come back

[crystal pond]

Probably because of this old god Neltharion get into void thing instead of resisting it

But probably he just pist on Titans and what they did, and because of it he get into old gods stuff to just not follow titans lol

Poor black dragonflight

[upper pasture]

i mean, isn't it implied he "allied" with the old gods because he needed the power to drive back the primalists and imprison the incarnates?

[deep pawn]

Temple of the Jade Serpent wasn't picked as a dungeon for no reason

They want Sha on the brain

It's why I'm pretty sure we'll get Shado-pan Monastery next even though I hate that place

[upper pasture]

That’s kinda a stretch but sure I guess, I believe temple was picked because it’s a “fun” short dungeon and the season needed some of those

[subtle oar]

I love Temple

One of my fave MoP dungeons

[upper pasture]

oh i do too but most people i've talked to about it don't like it

[subtle oar]

And the only key I'll do this season

[glass flicker]

I just don't like Wise Mari. It's an RP fight more than a boss.

The last boss of Stormstout Brewery ain't any better.

"Blizzard should incorporate more RP that you can't skip through. Preferably RP that comes right before the last phase of a mythic boss"

Here's a list of dungeons I'd love in the mythic+ pool:

Shadowfang Keep
Scarlet Halls
Scholomance
Blackrock Depths
Wailing Caverns
The Blood Furnace
Sethekk Halls
Magister's Terrace
Utgarde Keep
Utgarde Pinnacle
Pit of Saron
Lost City of the Tol'vir
Ankahet, the Lost Kingdom
Stormstout Brewery
Shado-Pan Monastery
Skyreach

[deep pawn]

I'm still not thinking we fight an old god this expansion but could lead into 11.0

I really struggle to think we don't hit the 20 year anniversary without doing light vs void

[glass flicker]

I don't know, Kyle. They've been teasing the Seat of the Pantheon fading from the sky for a few expansions now. Maybe that could be our lead?

[deep pawn]

They haven't been teasing it anymore heavily that light and void stuff

[glass flicker]

Imagine if it faded soon and people start freaking out. Especially Velen.

"The Vindicaar is still not strong enough for another expedition into the Great Dark. We must put our faith in Illidan Stormrage."

[upper pasture]

"Illidan can't be afraid of the dark he's blind everything is dark for him"

[glass flicker]

Khadgar: what have you done?
Illidan: I don't know. I can't see shit.

[upper pasture]

Illidan: Explain it to me. can you use it in a sentence?

[deep pawn]

I mean even now we can't go back and the tear in the fabric of reality should fade since the power that opened it up continues to burn out

The red star isn't the seat itself, it's the scar of the portal

[glass flicker]

The Shit of the Pantheon.

[deep pawn]

I still think while the void isn't good they are necessary. The first ones did intend for all the forces to work as one but that is going to come from mortals who in many ways are the creation of all of them. Life and Death give them souls, order and light gives them drive and purpose, void grounds them in mortality. Chaos is the spark of imagination that order and light lack.

[uncut vault]

they forgot to put it on the dragon isles

so suffice to say it's gonna stay in the background for a hwile lol

[glass flicker]

Yes.

[dense plover]

sargeras coming back?

no thanks

that was not long enough

give me like 5 more expansions before we ever think of the legion

[uncut vault]

tbh I doubt Sargeras proper will ever be a thing

[dense plover]

still - i dont want anything to do with the legion for a LONG time

[uncut vault]

the inevitable outcome is probably gonna be Illidan coming back as Sargeras' avatar, but in a symbiotic form because they both acknowledge the greater threat

[dense plover]

there are so many things they can still do and create

like the primalists are a wholly new threat

and i like them

[uncut vault]

I do think there needs to be some demons around somewhere, it's been kind of weird how entirely absent they are post-Legion

[glass flicker]

New threats can be cool and interesting. If they're not Zovaal.

George the Jailer was not cool enough.

[uncut vault]

theyre obviously never going to be a big threat again, and they shouldn't

[dense plover]

that was about lack of motivation

primalists have solid motivation

revenge on everything the titans have done to their world

[uncut vault]

there should absolutely still be demon hideouts on Azeroth, remaining scars from the third invasion, pockets of their former servants, etc.

[glass flicker]

My, Peach. It almost seems like you're rooting for them.

[dense plover]

i mean - im all for order, but like - they DO have a point

they were given two choices - conform or be locked up

why was it bad for them to be allowed to live?

there has been no really compelling argument regarding the ordering of the dragons way back when

[glass flicker]

That's all fair and good, but why are there draenei primalists? This isn't even their world.

[dense plover]

a cult is a cult

anyone can be convinced

and in the case of the primalists, they offer power

power is a strong motivator if you are selfish or dont have a cause to believe in

[uncut vault]

well, they also offer a cause, and the draenei have the least reason to be invested in things as they were

[glass flicker]

Tauren, night elves, even humans, I can understand being primalists. Orcs are shamanistic by nature. But draenei make no sense to me, despite the fact that they can be shamans.

[dense plover]

any anti-dragon draenei would likely sign up, any draenei that thinks the titans are a problem - which if you now know that the titans are the reason your home was destroyed and the legion was formed, you might be against

there are plenty of reasons

like - if you are a draenei who fled your home because of the legion and then found out about how your home planet ALSO had a titan in it

boy are you going to want to make sure that doesnt happen on azeroth

i imagine primalists want to prevent azeroth from ending up like the other titans

[glass flicker]

Those are fair reasons. Although, you'd expect them to not side against the player character, if given the choice. xD

[dense plover]

tbh i think that fits a potential motivation for draenei

[dense plover]

we dont give them the choice

we came back with the dragons and the dragons are telling us to kill the primalists

and raszageth is telling the primalists to kill the dragons and us

because she wants revenge

and so do the other primal incarnates

neutrality was never an option

[glass flicker]

I love being a monk. RPwise, my character would've just went "Let's discuss this. Maybe we can come to understand each other"

Razsageth and Alexstasza were as close as clutch mates. But Razsageth is too much of a raging bitch to talk, I love her for it.

[dense plover]

then a dragon tries to eat you when you say this

[dense plover]

she was locked up for 20k years

i would be pissed too

[glass flicker]

Oh yeah, also the stone one, what's his face? Irridikron, or something.

Apparently, he was the hardest incarnate to lock up.

Gotta wonder which incarnate is stronger than him, in that case.

[dense plover]

iridikron IS the strongest

[glass flicker]

You'd expect the fire one to be stronger, normally.

[dense plover]

i like the earth strength idea

it reinforces neltharion's strength

[upper pasture]

yeah i mean wasn't Neltharion the strongest aspect?

[plain violet]

Yeah, Earth is often strenght.

Because like Khaz'goroth said, the strenght of the earth is the strenght of the heart, of one within, of the deep places. 😁

Fire is more about destruction.

“My blessing upon you will seem humble compared to those which have been bestowed upon the others: the managing of time, of life, of dreams and magic. I offer you the earth. The soil, the ground, the deep places. But know that the earth is the basis of all things. It is where we are rooted. Where you must come from, if you are to go to. Here is whence true strength comes. From deep places...within the world, and within oneself.”

[crystal pond]

Earth is strongest element
It was sayed somewhere in game
But they most passive one. In deepholm some of earth elements just sleep

[tulip sun]

It's amazing how easily a lot of people can be swayed by a cult

I think we have seen essentially every playable race in the primalist forces

Even those without shaman as a class

[glass flicker]

Like, say, Night Elves?

The baldie and the raid boss?

[tulip sun]

And sindorei

Gnomes

So on

[rain cave]

draenei in the primalists makes as much sense as any other race

we see titanic races on the side of the primalists

and also irl, there's tons of movements where people who aren't directly related to it sign up in support

you could go further and see some going "well sargeras was a titan, and the reason our whole fucking planet became a legion hellhole was because the titans failed in stopping him"

so draenei having an inherent disdain for the titans designs would be easy to justify for some

or atleast not having faith in their vision

because a lot of what the draenei have suffered can be traced back to failures or consequences of the titans actions

not just Sargeras directly but even the orcs

the orcs were an accidentaly byproduct of titan intervention

and they went on to be slaughtered by them

on a planet they have to escape to because a titan was hunting them, and said titan was allowed to roam free because the remaining titans weren't strong enough to stop him.

it's why even as sus as the light is, and even velen acknowledges this

draenei put faith in it as it's the only power that's stuck by them by en large

but ofc even that's put into question by those who were abandoned by it, such as the broken

[tulip sun]

There's also a few crazies everywhere

[rain cave]

well yeah but if we assume that primalists aren't 'crazy' crazy

as they broach valid points, just they take extremist action

and radicalize frustrated people

tbh primalists are probably based on some real life stuff

(I know that's obvious because everything is but I'm just wondering if there's a more direct analogy)

though I am glad to see the story telling going into more grey morality

at its core everyone allies themselves to things that kind of benefit them or align with their interests

you can't expect people to go out of their way to do things truly selflessly

so all these mounting pressures are going to test who's actually selfless and who's in it for personal gain

some may even question their own allegiance

I reckon that's what anduin's up to at the moment

doesn't agree with leading a faction, doesn't feel right for himself when he's questioning if he was truly as selfless as he thought

because even if he thought himself a good man, he's obviously had enemies. Why has he had enemies? Why did he think he enjoyed doing evil things if he was such a good person?

Sabellian also comes to mind. He isn't inherently malicious and is an ally

but wears it like a badge that he's doing everything purely to benefit his own flight

can even be reflected in the rep ranks, where the highest ranks with sabellian are less personal or lesser in terms of 'friendship' than wrathion

Wrathion has done questionable stuff that he needs to be held accountable for in some manner, but his heart is truly selfless at core as he thought he was the last of his kind

there's a lot of selfish vs selfless playing off of characters within the same faction

Nozdormu is very set on delaying his transformation in Murozond, something that could be seen as selfish as it's self benefitting. But is surrounded by people like Chromie who would lay down their lives to stop it, that being selfless

[dense plover]

oh boy

newest post

i love this

the idea that azeroth WASNT her name?

thats amazing

[harsh mason]

Sounds like a base

[dense plover]

wut?

[upper pasture]

i don't think they mean Azeroth but rather Kalimdor and what it was called before that

[dense plover]

its definitely azeroth

oh wait

hmmm

ok

i cant read

still neat though

[upper pasture]

it literally states...okay

i was about to say lol

pretty sure when they were like "you'll know who the bad guys are by the end of 10.0" i feel like the titans are the real bad guys and everything coming out is just helping nail that down

[dense plover]

pretty sure the bad guys are the inkarnates

and either murozond is a side boss, or he will be the trigger for 11.0

i hope the second

[uncut vault]

is character copy broken for anyone else?

Stuck on a "copy in progress" loop

[ionic terrace]

yes

[urban spire]

I don't think the titans are the bad guys

I think this is the bad guys the jailer mentioned and also nzoth

like the guys beyond them

Titans/old gods are evil/good depending on how you look at them morally

I would say from our characters mortal perspective, the old gods are "evil", but in many ways the titans are too

but the culture and way our races interact with the world are more aligned with how the titans do things/ order things, though I would say we are coming around to realize that while we may appreciate more of what the titans do versus the old gods, they still aren't saints

and I think that's kind of where blizz is going, the 6 forces can be evil and good, morally grey really, depending on the characters involved and their intentions

though, I think that the 7th force is this force that the jailer and nzoth are referring to

or at least, the beings related to the 7th force outside of the titans perspective

I think 11.0 will be the reveal of that. I think 10.0 will be light/void with yrel as well as the 5th old god and nzoth coming back again, and this will lead into finding this new set of beings the jailer is talking about, with maybe azeroth awakening in the epilogue patch of 10.0

leading into 11

[ionic terrace]

iirc Zorbrix said they were looking into it

https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/1621301511879032832

Zorbrix 💙 (@Zorbrix)

@TheRisenZed @WorldofMoudi @WarcraftDevs This is on our radar! We're digging into why this happening, no fix yet though.

Twitter · Feb 3, 2023, 12:16 AM

[uncut vault]

Nice, thanks

[uncut lintel]

show me yshaarj

[deep pawn]

Yeah, if we're supposed to know the end boss in 10.0.7 so far only Iridikron makes sense from that stuff

If 10.1 deals with fire guy, ice one is in the mega dungeon, 10.2 is our infinite side plot, and 10.3 we finish the primalists but Iridikron wakes an old god as a last ditch effort before croaking

But wait, instead of threatening us, the old god goes "you need my help"

I'm still pretty sure we team up with the void against the new army of the light at some point

[dense plover]

i dont think this thread it coming for 1-2 more expacs

i wouldnt be surprised if next expac is either "timey wimey stuff" or is some brand new continent with totally new lore ala Pandaria

[deep pawn]

It's 20 year. They're gonna do something big and core thematic

[crystal pond]

But will be funny if we will ally with old gods to stop future threat

[uncut lintel]

20 year what?

[crystal pond]

2024 will be 20 years for wow yeah

[uncut lintel]

u literally made me lookat my calender i thought it was 2024 and i was tripping @crystal pond

[deep pawn]

If Blizzard can keep to a 6 month patch cadence then we should be getting 11.0 shortly after the big 20 year anniversary Blizzcon

Blizzcon this year will likely announce 10.3 and 11.0 10.2 will have been on the ptr by that point

I suppose we could get a worst case scenario and there is no 10.3 and we are prepped for a late summer 11.0

[uncut lintel]

Df not even out that long and u guys already talking abt that

[deep pawn]

well it's fun trying to speculate where the story is taking us

[austere gazelle]

All the forces are evil for the opposite forces, because they are all enforcing their views on thing upon everything they cross.

Stupid example : If you cross a lion and the lion kill someone who like, you'll flag him as evil, but the Lion was just either protecting his territory or killed to feed himself. Is it evil though, like really evil ? nope.

The big bad is not one of the force, but someone who will try so sway the forces to his / her side. That's why the Jailer said " A cosmos divided blablabla " . As long as the cosmos can't stand united against that future threat, it'll be complicated to " win "

And we're entering SC2 legacy of the void with the Amon stuff path.

Remember that there is also the Murozond stuff that is supposed to happen when " the timeline converges " so , somehow, this event will make Nozdormu turns. And since there will be only ONE timeline, Nozdormu know that once he become Murozond, he will never be able to change the remaining timeline which will apparently be fixed.
This could explain why he will turn into his infinite counterpart. Instead of trying to change a predeterminate future once it has come to pass, he'll go into the past to change stuff that will prevent this predeterminate future from happening, creating endless timeline and trying to threw things into chaos, which, in the end, will favor Nzoth.

I'm kinda expecting the Avaloren land mentionned in Odyn's lore in Uldaman to be a place where several forces minions are living in relative " harmony ". Some dissident Order construct, Old gods minions, demons and stuff. Which will explain why Odyn labelled them as Heretics and was sure that they will all end up killing each others.

Thousands of years ago, Prime Designate Odyn sent three unsuccessful expeditions there in order to pursuit a group of "heretics" to answer for their crimes against Innaria and other Titan keepers. The wreckage of the third expedition was found by Watcher Perethales in the shores of Kalimdor, who was afraid a fourth expedition would be sent to their demise. Perethales stated that the "heretics" defenses were too strong and trying to attack them would jeopardize the prisoners in the keepers' charge. Instead, Perethales suggested to wait for them to turn on each other, as it was in their nature to do so.

That would also explain why the sea are name " Veiled sea " or " Forbiding sea " (if Avaloren is located on Azeroth's other side ), if Odyn's edicts forbid people to go there. Mythos would then be created stating that those seas are perilous and shouldn't be explored and the rest is history

[crystal pond]

Neltharion stood here in front of the holograms and imagined himself as a hero 💀

I
Cant

[austere gazelle]

That's so sad 😦

[crystal pond]

Its so funny, so cringe and so sad
It just shows how much he was going crazy

[upper pasture]

I mean, he sacrificed everything to protect Azeroth no? He even made a deal with the old gods to contain the greatest threat she faced up to that point. I mean was it smart? No but he felt it was he’s only move and desperation makes people do stupid things

[crystal pond]

Also there is note from Neltharion when he saying about that something was hiding beneath waves

Hitting it wasnt an old god
Or maybe it was old god who knows

[austere gazelle]

There is also the " New Avalon " which is the DK starting Area. Implying there was an Avalon ( Avaloren ? ) at some point? And this area is filled with Tyr's lore anyway with the name of the towns around... could it be located in the eastern seas?

[dense plover]

pretty sure thats nzoth

since thats the old god that corrupted neltharion

but it could be the weird squid thing from OG dragon isles art

[austere gazelle]

But it can't be. Before the Sundering Nzoth's prison was not beneath the waves, he was locked somewhere in a titan's facility, and even if that prison was beneath the sea, it was probably known by Neltharion's and Tyr's anyway

[dense plover]

im fairly sure the dragons had VERY limited knowledge of the old gods before the sundering

[austere gazelle]

If that is so, Nzoth was still not " hiding " beneath the wave since he was very much locked up

We can argue semantic thought, you can be also right, but since this particular topic has already been dealt with, I'm not sure if this Neltharion's writing is mentioning Nzoth's anyway. Time will tell 🤷

[uncut lintel]

when is 0.7

or what do u guys speculate

[dense plover]

probably 6-8 weeks

my guess is mid-march

[uncut lintel]

noice

i hope its march

[dense plover]

definitely not sooner

tons of content to test that isnt even in yet

we need more builds

[dense plover]

new vault

so looks like they reset daily (maybe not intentional) and the vaults themselves rotate every few days

can confirm new drake options

winterpelt horns

???

new tail

furbolg snoot

plated jaw

are feathers a current one i dont remember these

can anybody tell me if feathers are new or not?

if feathers arent new, thats it so far

but i dont think they would just update the proto drake

[uncut vault]

theyve always been there, just not all of them have been obtainable

[dense plover]

ah

theres a bunch for the winddrake

also think these checkboxes are new

you can choose to not provide reagents for orders now

i think i remember this being a thing in beta

oh shit

this is on personal

this might be wrong

abberation stuff today

looks like upgrades dont reset

lol "ookbeard"

there are naga here

this is interesting

and its a new tribe i think - the farscale

brutes are here too

the cave here is filled with them - dont think it was before

nice to see this model return

this is a different quest followup and i like it

[sleek solar]

I am not reading/watching all that

[dense plover]

good for you? this is what this channel is

mute it and move on?

[sleek solar]

Wow easy there bud, didn’t want to make you mad

[dense plover]

for anyone looking to get on ptr - its gotten more broken

i cant actually get on

character copy is broken

instance transfer gets aborted when you can get on

this build is VERY broken

[crystal pond]

Wait they droped new build?

[dense plover]

not since tuesday/wednesday

its just gotten more broken as time goes on

[ionic terrace]

they removed character copy for now ig

button is gone

prob reenabled with the next build

[ionic terrace]

@dense plover I may have found some new npcs in ZG

[dense plover]

ooooo

i forgot to even check there

[ionic terrace]

well instances have been bugged until today

😛

it's interesting, they are called Ancient Tiger and Ancient Bat

which just so happens to be the removed bosses

[dense plover]

huh

what about outside of ZG?

[ionic terrace]

um give me a bit, need to learn skinning

my skinner is my evoker on live and no copy rn lol

[dense plover]

its ok - im on my way to northern stranglethorn

waiting on the zepp

on the zepp

[ionic terrace]

i just took the dark portal teleport lol

[dense plover]

oh well

uh

too late i guess

in north stranglethorn

gonna look around

[ionic terrace]

i would assume

but i don't have the skinning skill

[dense plover]

checking out the open world for npcs or something

so far - its totally empty

[ionic terrace]

am i really gonna level up my classic skinning...

unless you have 300

[dense plover]

i dont'

[ionic terrace]

ok

[dense plover]

artisan curios are in tho

jewelcrafting is gonna do some heavy lifting

[ionic terrace]

eh i need to sleep, hope for a build or something tomorrow

[dense plover]

same on the new build thing

[harsh mason]

Will it be a new ptr drop today?

[dense plover]

no way to know until the servers go down

fingers crossed though

likely tho

new vendor JUST pushed

(us) VersionsName: 10.0.7.47910 → 10.0.7.48002!

[tulip sun]

Oooh

[dense plover]

Ptrs are down

[harsh mason]

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-1007-ptr-development-notes/1506962/4

mostly class changes

[tulip sun]

Aw

Really wanna see the baine quest line

[ionic terrace]

build out

[silent urchin]

new achievements for extra forbidden reach side content

may well be new stuff available

my PTR is apparently on 47983?

Maybe that's an older hotfix

Seems to be letting me in though

guessing the vault resets weekly then

bloody hell that's a lot of elemental overflow

but also worth it

furbolg stuff might be in, just got the quest starter for it in the mail

[dense plover]

tbf, it drops from everything in the reach

[silent urchin]

Yeah, 2-300 per rare

although saving up 75k is gonna be hard with the gambling bags

very similar to timeworn isle ones

1k each, give probably 5-600 average back, chance of gear token, grey items, vault keys, and rarer stuff (I got another pet from it)

sometimes give almost 3k

sometimes give 3

furbolg stuff is sort of in

there's a couple quests, I'm now neutral

there's a repeatable thingy to get a drop from primalist enemies in the span, levels up the language skill

but not sure if its working, I still can't understand any of the furbolg text

oh it goes up to 100

and I'm only at 4

or at least there's an achi at 100 that also gives you teh ability to use it as a chat language

[dense plover]

My guess is it’s supposed to be 7.5k

Extra zero

Especially since it’s a pet not a mount

[candid ruin]

what the f-

[silent urchin]

I did get 800 off a bigger rare right now

[candid ruin]

75k for a reskin is a crime

looks like they updated the loot icon

ah yeah they did update it

[silent urchin]

ooh special ring quest is available

[candid ruin]

[silent urchin]

said 405 in quest rewards but 411 in practise

put some stuff in it

[candid ruin]

https://twitter.com/soulsobreezy/status/1623112547108028418

Soul💙 (@soulsobreezy)

From early testing, this ring works in:
Outdoor content
Raids (tested Ulduar)
Dungeons

It scales down in the mage tower

Twitter · Feb 8, 2023, 12:12 AM

411 for a required ring

hope they allow JC to make an item to add Primordial sockets to other rings

411 kinda low

[silent urchin]

No secondaries either yet

follow up quest to get a jewelers kit

which.. doesn't seem to unlock anything

There was a quest to turn 3 vault keys into 6, but it took all my keys instead of just 3 so I lost some overall :(

[crystal pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/10-1-narrative-campaign-hints-on-the-dragonflight-ptr-331367?webhook

Hmmmmmmmm

[silent urchin]

Makes sense, fits with underground stuff

The whole vault/forbidden reach is neltharion stuff too, once all the lore quests work I'm sure we'll have more clues

[crystal pond]

|| whispers: bring back Neltharion pls ||

Still wonder what under dragon isles
100% something that will be a reveal for dragons that "titans suck"

Because its clear that for now dragons still following titans

[glass flicker]

Maybe it's their obsession with order and designing everything in their image.

Azeroth, before the Old Gods and the Titans, was ruled by elementals.

[dense plover]

i found a thing

[glass flicker]

Wow, a thing!

[dense plover]

so uh - other than the ring with primordial sockets being in

i dont think they made any changes

and i cant even find any of the world chests with the keys to test the vault

nvm i found one

i stand corrected - artifacts are in>

[glass flicker]

Omg!

A placeholder loot item!

[dense plover]

nothing in it

does seem like at least the start of the winterpelt stuff is in

its a daily

[languid yoke]

do worgen monks work

[dense plover]

currently its repeatable

it increased knowledge of the language by 2

[candid ruin]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-mouseover-cursor-icons-added-on-patch-10-0-7-ptr-331366

[leaden cairn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/10wg757/patch_101_campaign_name_leaked_in_1007/

[dense plover]

literally wowhead had an article YESTERDAY dude

[leaden cairn]

Damn, sorry bruh

[upbeat cairn]

Don't worry he just acts like he owns the joint

[dense plover]

oh good an explanation of primordial stones

"Greetings!
We’d like to shed some light on the specifics of the feature surrounding Primordial Stones and how they work.
By questing in 10.0.7, you’ll unlock the Zskera Vaults, which is a solo instanced dungeon with some fun puzzles to solve. As you venture through, you’ll acquire the Onyx Annulet ring and a bunch of Primordial Stones that can be socketed into it. These stones have trinket-like effects, and some also work together to create some spicy combinations.
When it comes to acquiring these:

The Zskera Vaults are where you get Primordial Stones, and can be accessed with keys that you’ll receive from rares and chests across the Forbidden Reach.
The keys will be Bind On Account, so you can get your alts into the Zskera Vaults easily.
You can crush your Primordial Stones into fragments which can be repurposed into an item to upgrade your favorite stones (through your local Jewelcrafter).
You can use these fragments to purchase newer stones from Researcher Imareth. While you can’t buy specific stones, they come in families, so you’ll be able to target the Stones you want.
Primordial Stones can be unsocketed from the Annulet.

Our intent here is to minimize random outcomes so that you can customize and experiment with your Onyx Annulet, similar to the Mechagon Trinket (the Pocket-Sized Computation Device). Being able to upgrade your favorite Stones will also increase the item level of the ring up to 424, allowing its power to scale up in a deterministic way.
Of course, given its maximal item level, we expect that you’ll replace it with something better in Dragonflight Season 2.
Thank you for reading. We’re excited to see what you do with them, and how you feel when you get your hands on these!
"

honestly - im okay with this

max ilvl of 424, semi-deterministic stone stuff, and with no stamina or stat stuff, its likely people will happily replace it in S2

[ember blaze]

would prefer if it only worked in outdoor content(if it ends up being too good to ignore)

[candid ruin]

You can already complete current content without the ring therefor it is it not a requirement and just an item that acts as a soft nerf to the game

[deep pawn]

It can't be that strong if blizzard is sure 26 ilvls (on a ring haha) are enough to force you to upgrade

[silent urchin]

It has no secondaries

and the procs don't seem that good

and if for some reason the procs are that good, I expect it'll be nerfed into the ground

it wouldn't surprise me if some classes don't even want it over a mythic dathea ring

[dense plover]

no secondaries AND no stamina (i think)

or at least a bad amount of stamina

its an extra trinket slot

and it isnt competitive

[silent urchin]

it had regular amounts of stamina, I think

[tropic trail]

Does anyone know if the warden transmog - https://www.wowhead.com/news/earn-the-trading-posts-special-reward-12-times-for-warden-transmog-331091

will be night elf specific, as in we can only use it on that race?

i know there's not a lot of info but maybe someone knows something

[glass flicker]

It won't be night elf only, because that would feel like too little of a reward for an entire year of grinding miscellaneous achievements.

[tropic trail]

That's my assumption as well, but you never know with this game

[dense plover]

its not

its tagged for all models

[subtle oar]

There was an interview put out on wowhead yesterday, in it one of the devs clarified it is a cosmetic item for all classes and races

[tropic trail]

👍🏻

[leaden cairn]

Imagine the outrage if it was exclusive to night elves

[plush mortar]

Blizz: Don’t you guys have night elves?!

[deep pawn]

humans and non DH night elves are the only alliance races I'm missing

[upper edge]

is this a bug

[uncut vault]

Yes, the new hair colors don’t have eyebrows linked up yet

[crystal pond]

So like
Ptr still little empty (there no 2 main content)
And 10.0.7 has to be launched in march...

[upper pasture]

has to be launched in march?

isn't it all the forbidden reach stuff and vault stuff?

also tbf the start of spring is march 20th so they still have a whole month to get it out for the start of spring

[crystal pond]

Yeah
Because 10.1 will be launched in may
Or even in april

[crystal pond]

Its forbiden reach
Fulborgs
And taurens with centaurs questline

and half of forbidden reach is even not there yet

i mean content

[crystal pond]

To you
But officially its 1th march

[upper pasture]

I’d go with there the business is located when they use terms of Summer/fall and whatnot

Honestly we probably have like 3 more months of season 1

So 10.1 probably early june/late may

I’d guess late may tho

[crystal pond]

For who its official??

[upper pasture]

uh...the northern hemisphere

[crystal pond]

Where did you get this info?

[uncut vault]

THis isnt a major patch, it's got a lot for a mid-patch lol

[crystal pond]

Ok

[uncut vault]

whole zone worth of rares, a vault-delving activity, an optional power upgrade for content, a reputation to grind, seemingly some pretty big plot encrypted

[subtle oar]

Literally google, first result x3

[crystal pond]

I've already Googled about the whole topic x)

There are 2 dates for the beginning of spring – one meteorological, the other astrological. And astrological starts at 20th march

[subtle oar]

Huh this is fascinating. The first day of spring for the Southern Hemisphere, is September 23rd

[upper pasture]

yes cause they are opposite of us

[subtle oar]

xD No

[crystal pond]

Yeah

[upper pasture]

winter for us is summer for them

[subtle oar]

#ThingsINeverKnew

[crystal pond]

I can drop a site for this x)

[subtle oar]

My guy, just take the L xD

[crystal pond]

Dude like
We both right at the end lol

[upper pasture]

i'd say this is the meteorological definition of spring

[crystal pond]

Nah
Its astrological

Google

I was thinking that too lol

[upper pasture]

uh strange

[crystal pond]

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/history-science-of-meteorological-astronomical-seasons

The whole topic
Its about winter but still

[upper pasture]

i mean he's not wrong. apparently meterorologists consider spring starting on march 1st

[crystal pond]

Its astronomical excuse me

[upper pasture]

but meteorologists are wrong about a lot of things so

[subtle oar]

Its ok for them to be wrong. I mean, their wrong about the weather half the time and keep their jobs

[upper pasture]

like "it's not gonna rain today"

[crystal pond]

"Its not gonna be cold today"

[subtle oar]

"Its gonna be bright and sunny! Go enjoy the beach!" *Hurricane outside"

[crystal pond]

But nature is unpredictable all time so you cant blame them becauss wind just "okay, you know what, i was going to west, now im going to south"

[subtle oar]

Nah, always blame the weather guy x3

[crystal pond]

But know we all now there two dates for seasons

[upper pasture]

but for real, Australian preorder stuff used to get me alot whenever i'd preorder some for winter and i'm sitting here in december confused

turns out i'd have to wait for MY summer to get their winter stuff

[crystal pond]

That sucks(((

[upper pasture]

meh, at least i understand it now lol

[crystal pond]

When you writed about that spring starts in 20th march, the first thought i got was "wdym its start in late april... Oh wait"