beta-ptr-spoilers

[uncut lintel]

FCKIN LIRS

NOW WHAT AM I GONNA DO FOR THE LAST 4 DAYS

[cosmic beacon]

Farm mounts

[uncut lintel]

no tahnks

ill just unsub

[glad niche]

It is pretty disheartening tbh. Im not gonna unsub, but thats a pretty sloppy screw up on blizz end lol

[uncut lintel]

just shows that they dont know what their doing

[plain violet]

The.. That's strange.

:(

[cobalt wolf]

Well i can still log on

[crystal pond]

Lmao

Yeah probably someone fuck up, and they noticed it too late
Meh its ptr
Imagine if they was on live already

[errant prairie]

fucking up in PTR is normal, but yeah if that mistake was on live

[dense plover]

my guess is theyre supposed to go live with when they go live

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous basalt]

Thats what they did with

Dh

[deep pawn]

Or they wanted to test it but it's buggy so turned it off

Weren't people having massive issues with soar or something

[plain violet]

Holy god this buff of guardian drood. @deep pawn

From 0% aura to 50% aura.

[deep pawn]

We're gonna get nerfed week 2

[plain violet]

I think yes.. that's really massive.

Maybe it's because we're now "DPS" for PVP.

[candid ruin]

had 0 issues with envoker these past few weeks

[silent urchin]

It's not the everything aura, seems to mostly be rage spenders?

[deep pawn]

It's physical

Somewhere between 25-30% buff based on targets

[silent urchin]

Ah. Still significant, although I think most tanks have had reasonable buffs this week

and afaik guardian were one of the lowest

[errant prairie]

|| https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhUqQpXVIAAH7ee?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 ||

Putting it under spoilers, even if this is the spoiler channel just in case, but maybe a scene of tuesday's cinematic? (Left side of the banner)

[upper pasture]

got my box today and well....it's well made and even the digital code was done very nicely and not just a paper in the box

[upper pasture]

are we even sure there is anymore cinematics? (not that i don't want to be wrong but it seems like that tells like almost everything we need to know before DF starts)

[errant prairie]

its speculated and rumored we're getting one this tuesday, plus in one of the beta builds there was a cinematic with the same name as the banner in the pic, or at least something close to it

[upper pasture]

well we are getting one Tuesday didn't they so as much i just meant the legacy type ones is all

let me see if i can find it

[errant prairie]

Oh the Legacies stuff? I believe they ended with this week

[upper pasture]

yeah, sorry that's what i thought you meant by cinematic lol

[errant prairie]

na my b! hahah

[upper pasture]

but i'm pretty sure there is one tuesday during the stream and blizzard has confirmed it somewhere

"This stream will also unveil the highly-anticipated Dragonflight launch cinematic."

[errant prairie]

Oh big i must've skipped through that then. Good to know then hahah

[crimson jasper]

https://twitter.com/TerranGregory/status/1590783664262385664?s=20&t=iSxiO8S_UO0B1qR3lsO3OA

Terran Gregory 💙 (@TerranGregory)

Dragonflight Launch cinematic debut is coming 🐉 👀

November 15th, 9:00 a.m. PST

Come and see me + @Anna_B_Morgan talk #Dragonflight & cinematics!

https://t.co/hBuS3wI2DF…

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Twitter · Nov 10, 2022, 7:09 PM

super late reply, but heres the tweet from terran gregory about it

[dense plover]

ok

so this is the Dragons Take Flight Cinematic

the one thats been on the main menu since the RC build but unwatchable

cool

i hope its like 4+ min long

[crimson jasper]

I wonder what it will show

[silent urchin]

Intro to the various factions, probably

we'll definitely have more on launch itself, too

[dense plover]

I dont think so

i think this is a CGI trailer

[pulsar minnow]

They said the trailer would be a flyover of the dragon isles. It’s probably just gonna have dragon riders flying through the zones

In cgi ofc

[silent urchin]

Well, yes, but I mean in a cinematic way

not like a narrated video

but just showing them all off

giving them all a bit of time

[ember blaze]

Then that really might be it

[errant prairie]

Do hope its over 4mins like Peach said. Either way it'll be a treat

[deep pawn]

This is them really selling dragon riding

[next crown]

Does anyone have any news on when it might be created on PTR?

[ancient jasper]

At this point it probably won't be until the 15th or far longer

[next crown]

😦 wowhead makes me sad

[earnest stump]

Is it just me, or does evoker feel very punishing in PvP? Did the testing yesterday of Evoker in battlegrounds. But for a squishy class, it comes so dangerously close to melee that you are easily tunneled and no amount of mobility will make up for that.

[plain violet]

Yeah, it's totally punishing, despite our "mobility"

[earnest stump]

Guess Dracthyr will be my crafter. Will PvP on another character 😊

[plain violet]

I will try to PVP on dracthyrs more but I think yes, it will be more PVE than PVP. ^^'

[cosmic beacon]

Preservation evoker atleast is considered S tier on beta, tho that’s just going off solo shuffles

Idk about devestation

[sonic flame]

will we be able to do torghast at level 10 in DF?

[deep pawn]

no

cause they're removing threads of fate

[tropic trail]

Im so awesome

[dense plover]

congrats - now youll have to do it again in 2 weeks

XD

[tropic trail]

yeah hehe :3

[tropic trail]

I heard Guardian Druids got a 35% buff??

[plain violet]

50%

[tropic trail]

Sorry bad phrasing

[plain violet]

For all DPS abilities.

[silent urchin]

50% but only to some abilities

[tropic trail]

Yeah, 50 for the physical abilities

But OVERALL the buff's account to a 35% increase

[plain violet]

It's a 50% boost of their aura affecting guardian abilities, so yeah, the physical ones and such.

Yeah it's enormous.

[tropic trail]

It's insane!

I mean, not Vengeance damage but now we got our tough boy viable now in all content

Hell druid now is probably the best class to use getting back into the game OR if you don't want to play alts

[plain violet]

Druid is a comfortable class, yes! The boost seem insane but yes, it's just being viable in damage. x)

[tropic trail]

Oh absolutely. If Demon Hunter and Evoker don't work out for having a character on each faction, I got something to fall back on

[plain violet]

Same for me, I will play evoker, but also druid, and maybe a third class.

[earnest stump]

How likely is it that nelves get to be shamans during this expansion? I mean, there's a nelf shaman

[silent urchin]

there's also a nelf paladin, and that's not happened for players either

since legion

[clear apex]

Blizzard makes it sound like not too long from now every race can be every class

[ancient jasper]

Besides DH and Evoker

And the most problematic classes like Druid

[earnest stump]

I was gonna main evoker for DF but it looks like it wont be good in PVP except for healing so now considering enhancement shaman but I would love to be a nelf shaman

[errant prairie]

nightborne druid

[outer maple]

I still wanna know who voiced Emberthal, it sounds a lot like Caiatl from Destiny 2 lol

[ancient jasper]

Apparently someone said Mary Elizabeth McGlynn is the lady that voices Emberthal

[deep pawn]

this is a very late ptr update

small one

[charred gyro]

Uhhh... is this really intended? The blue version of the Raging Tempest set is specifically noted as not able to be transmogged?? All of the others appear to be.

[deep pawn]

hmm, weird

bug maybe

or it's meant for you to earn it in dragonflight since the set is reused I believe

oh wait, that's the level 70 gear

[glass fulcrum]

Took boat to SW, I don't think this is right

[dense plover]

Excited to see this cinematic

[uncut lintel]

omg

the boat yeeted

[dense plover]

Less than 60 sec if you aren’t watching

Wait - I thought Terran Gregory and the cinematic was the focus

Why is Holinka here

[silent urchin]

oh boy I love getting an ad and then the twitch audio bug

peak cinematic viewing experience

[dense plover]

Ok - it was pretty but uh - a bit short

I hope we see more of Raszageth since they have a CGI model

[silent urchin]

I am fairly sure we will

maybe not at launch though

could have one in the evoker starting zone

[dense plover]

Considering we don’t have the raszageth breaking out stuff

Or the cinematic tied to the raid

Or alexstraza vs raszageth at the mother oathstone

This guy has a very small head

And a very long neck

Poor dude

Sorry - I know it isn’t exactly relevant

This was a very short and honestly unnecessary stream

Could’ve just had the cinematic releases and that’s it

They didn’t even really talk about how they made it or anything

I hope we get long cinematics like in BfA

Eventually

[upper pasture]

i didn't dabble too much with dragonriding stuff. are those blue ice spikes something we can get for our dragon riding mount?

[dense plover]

Which?

You might need a screenshot for me to know what you’re talking about

[clear apex]

Yeah it felt really short

[upper pasture]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1084696.jpg

look at those bad boys. pretty neat tbh

[errant prairie]

Currently i dont remember seeing any horns options like that, if thats what you mean

[upper pasture]

that was indeed the question lol

well, hopefully they are somewhere or get added those are nice.

[abstract ether]

ok what's short aloy doing in dragonflight 😆

[glad niche]

you mean a standard lady dwarf?

[glass flicker]

Wildhammer is standard?

[glad niche]

I mean they aren't an allied race so yessish

[upper pasture]

...yet

[glad niche]

(tm)

[glass flicker]

The face markings symbolize being of the Wildhammer clan.

[upper pasture]

i feel like we will be seeing more forums filled with "make wildhammer a playable race"

[glass flicker]

Wildhammer and ogres.

[glad niche]

Ok but when horde getting short allied race. Gimme MerGoblin with swim speed passive

[glass flicker]

Rexxar uses the Kul Tiran male rigging.

Just give ogres that.

[glad niche]

NO! Gemmi fish goblin!

[glass flicker]

Okay, I see the argument of "Rexxar is Mok'Nathal"

But basic ogres are just Moonkins.

[merry tusk]

Are the prices for crafting orders set by the person requesting the item?

Like, I want X and will pay Y?

[glad niche]

Theres probably haggling involved

[upper pasture]

i think so but that doesn't mean it will get picked up by anyone if you lowball them

[glad niche]

unless someone agrees to take what you wanna pay

[merry tusk]

I dont think you interact with the person. You post the order and it gets filled or it doesnt

[glad niche]

then i guess if you lowball it just does a doesnt

[merry tusk]

The requestor supplies the basic mats too, so I am curious to see how it plays out

If they are only paying for the "craft" itself, I am not sure it will be as big of a gold maker as some thing. It's like "tipping" an enchanter or rogue when they open a lockbox

[glad niche]

You arent factoring in how the new crafting works

[upper pasture]

you can supply things you don't have to. unless it was changed it's pretty much you offer what you can/or want to and then pay the price and add a tip

[glad niche]

someone has to specialize in what you want made as well

meaning they focused on that one branch of the tree

so you will be dealing with some considered "niche" branches

[merry tusk]

I guess it's my lack of understanding

I am having one hell of a time deciding what profs to take

I keep hearing how crafted gear can reach mythic raid level, but I have to believe it's going to be EXTREMELY difficult/time-gated to get gear anywhere near that ilvl

but then with how "alt friendly" the expansion is, a lot of alts will want to up their ilvl quick

I just don't want to regret my time investment

[glad niche]

Im doin alch and jeweler on my dracthyr

[merry tusk]

Im not rich enough to do profs that require spending gold to level

I am probably going to main Shaman, so I am thinking Skin/LW, that will let me make some good gear to help speed up my ilvl increases. There will be tons of evokers/hunters wanting gear made and LW can make the special crafted gear to increase crafting stats.

But my Sham is dark iron so I feel like I should go Min/BS because I can make weapons, crafted gear for crafting, plate armor and then hopefully just use crafting orders to buy the gear I need

but I don't know if that +5 blacksmithing really makes any difference

i think choosing a profession has me more stressed than choosing a main

Ill have to do some more research on crafting orders, maybe that will help me decide

[glad niche]

Just run dungeons to supplement gear upgrading. Is that not the way of it anymore?

[merry tusk]

You are supposed to be able to get raid equivalent gear via crafting in DF

making crafted gear relevant throughout the expansion

[upper pasture]

yeah but you get the stuff to craft said gear in the raids no?

[glad niche]

Thats cool but if you are so worried about which crafter to do then just do the raid for the same ilvl

The point is options

[merry tusk]

That's my assumption, I refuse to believe it's obtainable in any meaningful way. Like how rep gear works that is a high ilvl. By the time you reach the required rep to buy it, it's too low ilvl to matter

probably takes like 10 weeks to make 1 item at the same ilvl as raid

if not longer

[upper pasture]

it's like "oh dang i didn't win any gear but i got the "dragon orb" (probs akin to the frozen orb of WotLK) to get a crafter to make me something"

[merry tusk]

Im just going to degen for the first few weeks, trying to be efficient so I dont waste my time off

[crystal pond]

When will the maintenance end?

[deep pawn]

Mythic gear is gated only by content difficulty and how long it takes to get 100 artisan's mettle

You can upgrade a piece to mythic after 10 keys 18+ I think

The heroic items drop from 12s

Mythic crafted is like 408-415 depending on crafter skill

[ancient jasper]

It's scheduled to end in about 2 and a half hours.. Expect delays, though.

[uncut lintel]

gay

[plain violet]

I was going to jump on you, then remembered it's you and okay. 😁

[uncut lintel]

LOL

dont jump on me plz

[plain violet]

I will not, do not worry. 😁

[little hound]

Pounce

=UwU=

[dense plover]

Yo

The storm unleashed cinematic?

Fantastic

Razsageth being the youngest of 4 is a huge deal

It means the primalist threat isn’t a one patch thing

[crystal pond]

But we will get a mount with her at the end of the first raid lol

Very sus that she is done in first patch

[dense plover]

But the primalists aren’t

That’s wha matters

[rain cave]

anyone else finding nozdormu's new voice actor kinda weird

[uncut vault]

both his and kalec's sounded incredibly off in the khadgar cinematic

it wasnt some filter thing cause wrathion and alexstrasza sounded fine

[silent urchin]

Don't worry, it will be merely a setback and she'll be back

[dense plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=185407/iridikron

theres a model

[rain cave]

it's a new voice actor I think

beforehand he just sounded like old nasally wise guy

whereas now his voice is kinda boomy

and imposing

[rain cave]

mans gonna eat the earth?

it's interesting with all the primalist stuff being about the elements literally bestowing them with this power

because obv we're getting this new perspective on the titans and azeroth

but azeroth was on our side in BFA (we think?)

if azeroth is at core more elemental than we first thought and is literally bestowing power to people to help get rid of the titans that could be an interesting plotline?

like what if part of the first ones design was keeping azeroth asleep whilst they injected her with order magic

but jailer interrupted that, sucked out a bunch of order magic in his fight

cracked the design

so now there's just a raw, hurt, elemental azeroth down there who just wants to break out

[deep pawn]

As we've learned before, world souls have a lot of spirit which coincidentally makes elementals stronger and more violent.

If Azeroth is waking more spirit may mean more power for the elementals. Plus despite them helping us at various points in cata and legion, they're still very much not a friend.

[crystal pond]

It was hited that Azeroth was so powerful that absorb spirit (the thing that keep elements in balance) but she its seems cant control elements properly

Azeroth awakening, and elements with her, and this is why Primalists are on the move again, but she surely dont want this Primalists to kill us, Who saved her multiple times

Still waiting for plot line about Black dragons and Azeroth connection

[rain cave]

I find it funny how even in just the prepatch and just being the 1st raids boss, raszageth feels more intimidating than the jailer ever was

I guess it's because of a knock on effect of the scaling?

Jailer's goal was to literallly unmake everything, so we know though through media literacy that that won't happen, not to mention that jailer was largely not present, just chilled in the back for most cutscenes

but raszageth's goals seem just plausible to somehow have an actual consequence

like I could imagine her freeing the other incarnates, killing a major character, causing some severe damage,etc

[deep pawn]

oh, I always get that backwards, my bad

[dense plover]

I mean - I’m pretty sure since we have a model for the earth one

The others will be freed

[deep pawn]

I hope it's not just one a season

I'm guessing more likely season 2 is the other 3

unless the earth one digs under the water

[dense plover]

I think the other 3 will be 10.1 or 10.2

Maybe we fight the other 3, kill 2, one leads into the next patch somehow

[upper pasture]

i hope they free one and they are like "naw i don't want any part of this"

[dense plover]

Ties into murozond stuff

[dense plover]

They definitely do though

[upper pasture]

oh for sure

but i think it would be funny

but being imprisoned for decades is likely to lead to wanting revenge

[dense plover]

Last boss area makes way more sense in the context we now have

4 platforms, each different colors

So I think we might get to actually see them released as the end raid cinematic

[deep pawn]

blue, red, yellow, and mix?

[dense plover]

Can anyone log on and take pictures of the dungeon journal for the raszageth fight?

[dense plover]

Didn’t realize it was mixed

[deep pawn]

which part?

[dense plover]

Main blurb and also general abilities

Wanna see if there are hints about those incarnates

[upper pasture]

naw alex noz and kelc will be part of the fight

hence red blue and yellow

would be my guess rather

[dense plover]

Earth ice fire

The 3 other incarnates

[deep pawn]

Razageth is a complicated fight

[dense plover]

It has the other incarnate names

Fyrakk and Vyranoth

[upper pasture]

oh yeah it does

[deep pawn]

I swear we've seen those names before

[dense plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=185409/fyrakk

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=185410/vyranoth-the-frozenheart

Each of the other 3 have 3 npc models and an “imprisoned” model

So I think it’s guaranteed they all break free

Plus I was right - the elements match the platforms

Earth fire and ice

The incarnates have unique models too

They’re not reusing the other new primal drakes

So 100% getting out

No reason for unique models otherwise

[deep pawn]

Iridikron is probably gonna dig too deep

[dense plover]

Iridikron is probably how we end up underground

[deep pawn]

It's kinda funny how obvious there's something in the water west of the plains

[crystal pond]

Hold up
So There Will be no book about the time skip?

[dense plover]

Maybe?

I would rather they put it ingame or short stories than a book

[crystal pond]

They will not probably

It was always was a book
And we actually having a book about dragonflight, but its 2023
And no book about what happned in time-skip?
Really weird

I will be surpsrise if they will put cutscenes/dialogs what happned in time skip in game

[jade basalt]

There was a prequel novel listed for a short while

It seems that it got cancelled

So yeah, no expansion bridging novel.. for the expansion that probably could've used it the most.

Would've been nice for a prequel to explore the Primalists, the Incarnates, the young Aspects, the Dragon Wars, etc.

Also the 5 year time skip.

Stuff the game doesn't necessarily need. Just more context and back story about these new characters and factions etc.

[dense plover]

It’s only 3 years

Not 5

Shadowlands takes place over 2 years

Then there’s 3 years of nothing

[uncut vault]

Shadowlands also has the world logically progressing though haha

outside of Tirisfal we know nothing about what happened to the world in the wake of prepatch

[jade basalt]

Just like when we left to another world during Warlords.. or TBC.. most expansions really

The world literally pauses when we leave!

[silent urchin]

don't overthink the time. It passes fairly arbitrarily

nearly all the story is not quite logically consistent if you try and fit game mechanics into it

[uncut vault]

Well thats more the point, outside of one race, we don't know what anyone has been up to for five years now, in the wake of a worldwide undead invasion, it would have been nice to get something informing us

beyond "hey theres a wedding" lol

[deep pawn]

😦 crafted gear more timegated than I thought

[dense plover]

i think it makes sense

its a piece you can guarantee to be exactly what you want

[deep pawn]

except you're just gonna make weapons or certain embellished items since it can't become tier

tier bonus slots just became largely useless til you get your 4p

[deep pawn]

ptr and retail patching, woo

guessing hotfixes

oh wow, reclaimed 4gb

it's 30 builds past what we got on tuesday, curious to see hotfixes

[jade basalt]

I will say that there is an unprecedented amount of encrypted narrative content in Dragonflight that no one has ever seen, and it is going to blow some minds in the weeks to come! There are multiple endgame narrative chapters and endgame campaigns that are available at level 70 that were not available on Beta. We have dozens of cutscenes that you’ll be seeing, so look forward to all of that!

[quiet jungle]

Why am I being called an "ogre"? Are we going to have a new allied race??

Unless she's trying to offend my blood elf,

[uncut vault]

I think it's just a gag that they don't quite know the differences between races yet

Cindre mentions it earlier when you first meet up for the prepatch quests

[quiet jungle]

Ahhh, okay, that's frigging hillarious then.

[uncut vault]

there's another conversation in Valdrakken between Cindre and Azurathel where they question what a gnome is, and talk about not being able to tell the difference between various elf forms that dragons take on

[wooden iron]

Lmao 😂

I’m so glad they did this cause I’m doing it with rp

I came across a Dwarf and just referred to it as “That thing”

[languid umbra]

Guys I have a question - are there any glyphs for Evokers on Alpha / Beta? If so, what are they?

[plain violet]

No glyphs yet!

[languid umbra]

I would love something akin to the green fire in Pandaria, tinting all the spells towards one particular dragonflight visually.

[rain cave]

Not just evokers

Every class

Give me life fire mage

Give me bronze arcane

Blue dragon frost spells for shaman

Shaman could have 2 cool identity ss actually

Primalist style abilities

And dragon caretaker, replace totems with eggs

[languid umbra]

eh

[rain cave]

Bronze paladin

[deep pawn]

Blizzard said they're scared of PvP clarity

[crystal pond]

They Just dont want to balance it

[merry tusk]

Does anyone know what, if anything, +skill does for gathering professions in DF?

[dense plover]

Makes your skill higher? Which increases the stats for professions

It does what it did before essentially. Higher skill = higher base profession stats

[merry tusk]

Hmm

[dense plover]

Base stats increase the quality of what you gather/the chance to gather Higher quality materials

[merry tusk]

I am looking at the specializations and trying to decide what route I am going to go. To me stuff like Perception/Finesse are important for more materials, but there's also paths that give +skill.

[dense plover]

All paths give +skill at a minimum

[merry tusk]

Well

[dense plover]

Every point in a spec gives a small amount

And I’m pretty sure there’s still a cap

So once you reach max skill, you reach it I think

Haven’t paid a ton of attention

[merry tusk]

Profs are going to make my head explode

[dense plover]

For gathering - focusing on the rare reagents is more important

[merry tusk]

I am thinking about going for the specialization path that lets you increase quality of materials

[dense plover]

They’re hard to get a good amount of otherwise, especially for stuff like skinning where specific types of enemies have specific drops you can skin

[dense plover]

Honestly worthless imo

Getting gold quality baseline isn’t that hard with good gear

[merry tusk]

using quality 1 materials?

[dense plover]

Diamond I haven’t seen and I guess that path would help

[dense plover]

Why bother though?

Like you are spending spec points on a thing that requires you to be gathering lots of a bad thing

[merry tusk]

Higher quality materials make it easier to craft higher quality items, which means better stats

[dense plover]

When you’ll only be gathering silver or higher materials by max skill without good gear

With good gear you can regular get tier 3 materials when gathering

[merry tusk]

Hmm

[dense plover]

Having stuff that increases the rare drops like with leather working will net you more money

IE getting horns off the vorquin or the rare scales and furs

[merry tusk]

dang, back to square one. this shit is stressing me out, don't want to waste the time upfront choosing a bad path

[dense plover]

There are profession guides on wowhead

[dense plover]

You can literally fully unlock all the paths eventually

If you want to make money - rare materials day 1

If you want to craft good stuff yourself, anything that directly increases the quality of what you gather

The pathway that allows you to upgrade low tier to high tier is bad

You need 10 of the previous tier to make 1 of the next if I remember right

It’s terrible

[merry tusk]

Well thats good to know

[dense plover]

They MAY have changed the ratio

If it was 3 or so, it might be decent

[merry tusk]

I've been considering using two characters. One with Skinning/Mining the other with BS/LW and use one to feed the other materials.

[dense plover]

But I’m pretty sure gatherables only go to tier 3, so once you can reliably gather gold quality, it’s shit

[dense plover]

Not a bad idea, but a lot of work

A lot of the end game profession knowledge comes from treasures and dailies or weeklies and stuff like that

So that’s a lot of work

The intention here is that most people won’t be able to do everything for quite a while which means making money and being useful will be easier

[merry tusk]

Im just super unsure of what to do. I want to make gold, but also want to be able to make gear. I can't figure out how to decide.

If I took Skinning/Mining I could also feed materials to crafters via work orders to get what I need

Since most good recipes are locked behind 18 renown, my main could unlock rep bonuses for my crafter

[dense plover]

Skinning and leather working is solid

Mining and jewelcrafting

Herbalism and alchemy

You want to go with the most direct matches

Blacksmithing i THINK relies on mining and some of skinning

[merry tusk]

Yeah I know the conventional combinations, but I worry I will make the "wrong" choice and miss out on X

I feel like materials will be valuable upfront and only once people start unlocking renown recipes will crafted gear(excluding tools) be super valuable

[upper pasture]

enchanting and DE purples is always good money if you are getting purples you don't need

[merry tusk]

Cause the base level of crafted gear is lower than normal dungeons, so it isn't going to be that good

Every time I think I have a decision locked in, I find something out that sends me back to square one 😄

[dense plover]

Getting titan matrixes isn’t hard

The level 1s and 2s can come from WQs and treasures

I think 3s come from Heroics and 4s from Mythics

[merry tusk]

ok I wasnt sure about those, I only saw them in the dungeon journal

[dense plover]

But I’m not sure

1s are common

2s uncommon

3s rare

4s epic

I’ve gotten 1-3 2s on beta without running instanced content

[merry tusk]

Maybe I should just go back to my original plan of either Skin/LW or Min/BS

[dense plover]

I’ve gotten 10+ 1s in the same time

[merry tusk]

There's a lot of folks going Herb/Mining for easy money. I don't see Mining/Skinning being much different

And with work orders, you don't even technically NEED a crafter

[dense plover]

I think they’re overestimating how much stuff will be worth

[merry tusk]

The other weird thing to me with the crafting orders is the person requesting it sets the commission. So if people are always doing the lowest amount, will it be that worthwhile

[deep pawn]

You're heavily timegated on good stuff

[silent urchin]

the generic +skill is probably the best, although it's possible specialising in one of the elemental thingies for more rousings will be better if that's what the bottleneck is

[deep pawn]

One piece every 2 weeks is very slow progress

[silent urchin]

you can always just refine ore to higher qualities at least

[deep pawn]

And blizzard basically killed half the armor specializations

[merry tusk]

Yeah the timegating to me is going to make crafters less profitable until later on

And the artisans mettle is going to timegate a lot as well

[deep pawn]

Pretty much weapons, trinkets, and a couple offset slots like boots, wrists, and belts will be useful but those slots will also have a ton of competition

[merry tusk]

That's the other uncertainty, how actually good will the crafted gear with different effects be. Or will it all be bad compared to raid/m+ gear

[deep pawn]

It's really unfortunate blizzard killed tier bonus slots

Embellishments are like 1-2% but people have done more for less than that before

[merry tusk]

not just the embellishments

the actual armor with different effects

like the JC items that give you increase X based on the number of Y gems

or the leatherworking gear with procs

[deep pawn]

With the exception of the neck gems, all those other things are embellishments

[merry tusk]

hmm, maybe i misread, let me see

[deep pawn]

The boot procs for example count toward your two embellishments

[merry tusk]

ok yeah, glad you said that

so its not as interesting as i thought

Hopefully I can come up with a way to decide

[deep pawn]

They buffed some

The only one I really like is the mail armor one that's a rune of reorigination effect

Probably just gonna run that with a toxic patch

The leather ones all kinda sucked

[merry tusk]

The other thing I am not looking forward to with crafting is keeping track of the prices of materials to determine whether or not a crafting order is worth it.

Cause you know people will be lowballing as much as possible for crafts

[deep pawn]

Crafting orders have to supply all mats

So it's just a commission to make

[merry tusk]

I thought a video I watched recently mentioned for some recipes you can do partial materials

But that also makes the argument for choosing two gathering professions and just paying commissions for the gear I want

[merry tusk]

The first quest once DF launches is on the zepp tower where the prepatch event vendor is right? So we will want to be there when launch happens?

[upper pasture]

I think for horde it’s on top of Garrosh hold or whatever is where the old bank used to be.

I remember during the beta doing the quests we have now and then having to fly back there to “watch” a cutscene before going back to the zeppelin area

[merry tusk]

Hmm ok, I just copied a char over from Beta and it sent me to the zepp tower like the quest we got for the prepatch event then onto the zepp to the isles

[upper pasture]

Hmmm strange maybe they moved that cutscene then

[merry tusk]

I am doing a bunch of beta testing to prep for launch so I will try again and see what it does. Just want to try and be exactly where I need to be for launch day.

[deep pawn]

More that I think the cutscenes you speak of we're doing now in prepatch

[merry tusk]

Hopefully everyone being funneled into the same zone doing the same quests all at the same time wont be TOO terrible

[upper pasture]

Maybe? It was the ebonhorn/Wrathion cutscenes and they moved them to where they are now? But the khadgar one didn’t need to be moved just not put in

[merry tusk]

One good thing about being on a mildly dead server, hopefully the phasing isnt too bad

wish it was next week 😦

[dense plover]

It shouldn’t be

The zones are huge

[merry tusk]

Right, but everyone starts in the same spot and follows the same initial quests

[jade basalt]

If these Primal Invasions aren't an issue, highly doubt quest zones will be

[rain cave]

have people already discussed how the dragons don't talk when they talk now?

not sure how I feel about it

since dragons used to talk with their mouths, but now they just emote while staring at eachother

and being telepathic

it would probably look goofier if somebody like raszageth tried to use her mouth to talk just because of how that thing looks but

it just seems strange to me

[upper pasture]

maybe they ARE telepathic lol

i mean, dragons are dragons. don't most dragons depicted in shows and movies never move their mouths/jaws when talking to the lesser races

[merry tusk]

The primal events crashed several servers yesterday or just completely stopped working. Launch day bottlenecks wouldn't be anything new for a wow expac

[upper pasture]

didn't Smaug "talk" without moving his mouth?

[uncut vault]

Nah he speaks with his mouth, at least in the movie iterations

its not an inherently bad concept, FFXIV does it great

its more just a "why are they choosing to do this now when dragons have spoken with their mouths for 18 years prior"

[jade basalt]

Dracthyr do move their mouths so it's quite jarring when dracthyr and dragons are speaking in the same cinematic, having quite similar heads and facial features, but one moves their mouth and the other doesn't

[livid walrus]

👀

[merry tusk]

Is there any way to see what each renown rank gives for each of the four factions?

[dense plover]

(us) VersionsName: 10.0.2.46619 → 10.0.2.46702!

new build

[dense plover]

yes

theres a button

[merry tusk]

Is it just on the beta up on the minimap?

And you scroll through the ranks like in SL?

[dense plover]

yes

nothing new in the beta btw

just hotfixes and fixes and such

[silent urchin]

yeah, it's similar to the covenant button, you unlock it on the first quest after getting off the boat in the dragon isles

[merry tusk]

Ok, so you have to go through quests to see it?

The max chars on the valdrakken server can't see it or anything?

[dense plover]

dont think so?

that server is for M+/raid and crafting testing

[merry tusk]

Dang, I was trying not to spoil the quests and stuff yet.

[dense plover]

well i mean

the renown stuff is spoilers too?

[deep pawn]

you can see the rewards on valdrakken

is there something in particular you want to see?

[ancient jasper]

Damn those are huge nerfs

[deep pawn]

They keep bouncing back and forth with those

It was pretty nutty getting 12% crit from 3 gems and a scribe rune

[ancient jasper]

How much Crit was the Scribe rune by itself?

[deep pawn]

Got nerfed from 810 to 315

Rating

[ember blaze]

it's gonna suck if they dont introduce new higher ranked stuff later on

cause then those stats are just gonna be worthless in late tiers for being so low

[dense plover]

The higher the ilvl, the better your stats need to be to keep it at that rank

IE if you have a legendary ilvl 390 pair of pants, and you want to upgrade it to 416 or something, you will need to be more skilled when recrafting, or it will drop to diamond or gold

[sonic flame]

guys I need a specific information about beta, if you don't give me this info I will be forced to offer you a free level boost from 50 to 60 so you better do it

I need to know if you can get xp in the range of 60 to 70 ( dragonflight's range ) while party synced in old xpac's zones

[upper pasture]

i'd say no? could you do that while SLs was the main expansion to get to 50-60?

[sonic flame]

I tried and it worked, but when I did we were in later patches, not on release of SL

I want to know if it will work on release

[merry tusk]

Per our conversation yesterday I believe, the ratio for material upgrades (at least quality 1 > 2) is 5 to 1 now

[dense plover]

Still not good

[deep pawn]

Eh?

[merry tusk]

I wonder if that means the bait crafter is better for something like skinning than tanning since tanning focuses entirely on quality upgrades

[dense plover]

uh

so world server is down

new build?

[merry tusk]

yeah my server is dead

cant even logout

servers just keep crashing over and over, still beta testing

[sonic flame]

how do we make so a bug gets high prio to blizzard?

[upper pasture]

The number of reports it gets would be my guess but nothing you an individual would be able to flag.

[rain cave]

get archvaldor to post it

[sonic flame]

archveldor posts exploits people can take advantage of

I'd like blizz to fix the damn chromie time dungeon drops

it's been basically a week they all drop level 30 items independently from your level

it's stupid and I'm pretty sure it's affecting a big portion of players

[opaque pewter]

It's not like nothing is being fixed or worked on. There is a priority system and unfortunately there are more pressing bugs that need to be looked at, as tempting as it is to take care of some low hanging fruit kind of bugs

[crystal pond]

Blizzard abandoned the wedding scene of Thalysra and Lor'themar because of the wedding plot between Thrall and his wife (I forgot the name sorry)
And it Will be a little story

[hollow skiff]

What do you think which key level you will achieve in week 1? Even the top m+ players are currently having a hard time on the beta server 🙂

[primal dirge]

if you got infinite time to grind you can get higher than the 392 that beta players currently have

[silent urchin]

415ish will be the cap in 10.0, I think? 20 ilvls is quite a lot

[primal dirge]

think its 422 depending on if you have the super rare items from raid

[silent urchin]

Probably like 6 or 7 M+ tiers higher just from the ilvl bump, I think

or wait, bit less now it scales more above.. 10 or whatever it was

4-5, maybe

[deep pawn]

421 is the m+ vault cap, last two bosses drop 424.

Hunters get a 430 bow.

[deep pawn]

The top ilvl dropped in keys season one is 408, you'll be able to craft 1-2 pieces of 408-418 gear if you can complete 16s and of course any loot you get from heroic or mythic. People will be much higher than our current 392 testing ilvl.

[ionic terrace]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23873866/warcraft-short-story-the-vow-eternal

[deep pawn]

wait

is this the first time we've seen that scene of Alexstraza and Razageth fighting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT36HGP5V0Q

[ionic terrace]

yes

[deep pawn]

Blizzard "leaking" their own cinematics haha

[upper pasture]

i mean, is it a leak if they release it?

[deep pawn]

It's a hype trailer. It's spoilering a bit on purpose, like preannounce leaks.

[crystal pond]

Is a launch test is happening?

[upper pasture]

Tomorrow I think?

[crystal pond]

But they didnt say anything about 22
Only about 21
Very weird

[upper pasture]

Maybe it was today, idk I thought they were testing it on reset day

[crystal pond]

Closed testing then?

Yeah it was tested and launch test servers must be shuted down atm
But I didnt See any stream about launch test lol

[silent urchin]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/beta-launch-test-on-monday-november-21/1408085/23

delayed 3 hours, starts in maybe half an hour ish

[crystal pond]

Oooooooh

Then okay, thanks Vaephera

[mossy meteor]

oh i missed the test

oops

[royal coral]

I guess we'll fight Iridikron in the future

[timber frigate]

i wonder what covenants will be in dragonflight

[glass flicker]

There won't be new ones. And the old ones will remain abandoned, because why bring the afterlife into the world of the living?

[cosmic beacon]

Tho we do get some abilities as talents depending on your spec

Like warriors getting spear, mm getting razor pouch, monk with bdb, fae stomp and WoO

[glass flicker]

Which spec got Weapons of Order? Hol' up, the plot thickens.

Brewmaster, right?

WoO would be too OP on WW with Windlord and Thunderfist.

[cosmic beacon]

Ik brew gets it

[rain cave]

I am curious to see if they'll expand the talent tree horizontally with new class fantasy next xpac

E.g if we're getting a light and void xpac, fire might get some light themed talents, arcane some voidy azshara esque abilities

Or if its an expansion centering around a certain place, like say, an updated outland

Taking inspiration from the factions there

Like how gw2 does things

Doesn't have to be much either, can just be a few themed skills that adjust a playstyle

[cosmic beacon]

Would be pretty cool

Especially if there’s no player borrowed power

[rain cave]

Could definitely see arcane meaning more into instability and magic surges

Fire maybe getting a superheat for their ignite

Imagine an old style surrender to madness for fire lol

Extending combust with crits but when it runs out you get a consequence

[cosmic beacon]

Warriors get somewhat of a berserk style, bleeding out but getting stronger

Corruptions were a cool idea, give bonuses at a cost but their acquisition was terrible

[timber frigate]

does drathyr gets a dragon to ride him? or you use the soar and the soar gets upgraded

[upper pasture]

Both, but I believe soar is limited at some point. IE you won’t be using soar in dragon racing instead of your mount

[timber frigate]

here is dragon racing?

[subtle oar]

As Dracthyr you'll be using your dragon in your Visage form. Soar is super limited

[timber frigate]

i hate visage and i wish it as removed or atleast i could change into a tauren like ebonhorn

[plain violet]

At least you can keep in dracthyr form H24.

[timber frigate]

i wonder if jog saron will be a part of dragonflight... hes the reason that aspects were created cause he made the galakrond

[plain violet]

Maybe his legacy.

There is some.. strange void implications in the beta.

[subtle oar]

The exploring northrend book says his madness and whispers can still be heard and felt in the Halls of Ulduar

[plain violet]

Yeah, that does not surprise me... After all, Pandaria was a proof one old god can still influence after its death. :/

In the beta, we have some artefacts whispering voices onto dracthyrs players and starting to mind controlling them.

And a "void gazer" NPC

[unreal badger]

In dragonflight, do mining and herb nodes disappear when theyre mined/herbed? Or can other people loot them for a few minutes before they despawn?

[subtle oar]

nodes/herbs have been instanced since like legion

[unreal badger]

Yeah, but with the revamps to profs, I wasnt sure if they changed that

[subtle oar]

Not afaik

[ionic terrace]

huh, 10.0.5

[silent urchin]

interesting

although I'm guessing a .0.5 isn't anything really noteworthy in terms of content

[deep pawn]

it's probably those "soon after launch" features they talked about

so mage tower for example

[deep pawn]

It could have some story content too if they're aiming for more of a legion pacing, an in between story that leads to 10.1 but who knows until it's on PTR. Regardless it's a good sign that 10.1 will be only 6-7 months away

[plain violet]

Interesting...

[crystal pond]

I hope that patches will be happening sooner and not every 6-7 mounth

Or even a year

[glass flicker]

Pray we get no selfie patches again. xD

[subtle oar]

Why not? Blizz said they want to bring our more content. Not every paych has to have earthshattering stuff

I'd rather, if they have an idea, put it into the game in a smaller patch

Don't wait 6 months to give us a patch with a bunch of smaller things

That's something ppl don't realize about WoD and the "selfie" patch. Blizz stated they were wanting to go back to an older patch format where not every patch was a new season of content, but perhaps an injection of smaller stuff. But due to the massive backlash due to misunderstanding what Blizz was attempting, Blizz changed focus

[crystal pond]

I want them to add patches more often, which just have content that can be done before the mass patch, just to keep the players busy
Many other games do this. And then after shadowlands and bfa, there is no desire to play grind at all

[glass flicker]

Not what I meant by "no selfie patch again"
Just have more content, in general.

Give attention to events, make weeklies more interesting.

[subtle oar]

Then don't say Selfie patch. The Selfie patch was meant to be a return to smaller patches that introduced smaller content

[glass flicker]

And how'd that go?

[subtle oar]

Due to the community not understanding, horribly. But thankfully, Ion said they want to do more frequent, smaller patches where they can put out the ideas they have more frequently rather than bundling it all in a big patch every 6 months

[cerulean lava]

On the Beta you need to level up a character from 60 to 70 to be able to freely explore the Dragon Isles?

[abstract ether]

nope

I dunno if there is a level requirement to get dragon riding but as soon as you get that you can get the glyphs and then talent that out and be just as free as a lvl 70

[upper pasture]

but you won't have WQs and you'll still only have the linear story progression. it won't be as free as stated above

[abstract ether]

I thought "explore" meant look around, not do WQs or progression lol

level by gathering only!

like a real explorer

[timber frigate]

here was one crazy insane pandaren that got to max lvl withouth laving the starting zone lol

[merry tusk]

Are there any good write ups on how dragonriding talents work and how they're unlocked, etc?

nvm found https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/dragonriding-guide-for-world-of-warcraft-dragonflight

[abstract ether]

there's a dragon glyphs addon for handynotes

[merry tusk]

yeah found that too

[candid ruin]

4 days until release and we still have floating ore

[cyan nebula]

Thats isnt something special to this expansion tho 😛 always happens

[candid ruin]

They've been spawning nodes in this game for 18 years you'd think they've it perfected by now

[tropic trail]

4 days until release and massive fps issues

[pulsar minnow]

Honestly I haven’t had any fps issues all beta

[worn crown]

I have some (occasional) stuttering

[craggy wren]

hey guys question about dragonflight prof stats like deftness if i have both gathering profs do the prof stats carry over ? like herbing to mineing ?

[silent urchin]

No, gear is unique to professions, and all the profession knowledge stuff is also specific to its profession

[craggy wren]

ah kk thanks

[rare hemlock]

disabling the shader cache to disk setting corrected my FPS hitching

[timber frigate]

what borrowpower we will have in dragonflight?

conduits of some kind?

[candid ruin]

there is no borrowed power

[timber frigate]

so only covenants to farm?

[candid ruin]

no

[timber frigate]

4 zones so 4 reps then?

[candid ruin]

Yes but its optional content

meaning: you don't HAVE to do it to do other end games things like raids/mythic+

[timber frigate]

so what will be for grinding?

[candid ruin]

theres more than 4 reps, but 4 major factions

hmm

professions are really the only grindy thing

but again its optional

[timber frigate]

well i will be getting skinning and leatherworking on my main

[candid ruin]

sounds like a solid plan

[timber frigate]

i will be in mail specialisation

cus evoker

if here is mail spec lol

[candid ruin]

there is!

[timber frigate]

in monday i will be grabbing 12month sub 😄

[candid ruin]

thats a big commitment

[timber frigate]

well 4 mounts 25Euro each in the bundle tho and 2 months free looking at 3 month sub

worth it

also i wonder if here will be just more points for talents or one additional row

[patent scarab]

Just more points.

[timber frigate]

only points?

thats kinda lame lol

[upper pasture]

5 points per tree

[timber frigate]

10lvl and 5 per side?

[worn crown]

Yeap ^

[timber frigate]

well i can make it work 😛

i like the talents i have now

[worn crown]

Maybe a silly question, but how do I do that? Graphics Card option? (I have a Nvidia)

[timber frigate]

also will here be glyphs for drathyr/evoker?

cant find anything on the wowhead beta about the evoker glyphs or i search wrong

[ancient jasper]

I.. don't think Evokers have any Glyphs?

[crystal pond]

Evoker glyphs what? Maybe you ment dragon glyphs?

[timber frigate]

nope like dh had when legion launched

visual mostly

[ancient jasper]

There aren't any.

[timber frigate]

that sucks :C

[dense plover]

They didn’t add any new glyphs

They don’t like the glyph system

They’re likely working behind the scenes on some kind of replacement

[ancient jasper]

Or will just dump it like they did Archaeology

[upper pasture]

hasn't it been hinted Archaeology is getting a rework here soon

[rare hemlock]

It's a /console command in WoW. If you're not stuttering on the Retail version you should be fine at launch

[worn crown]

Ah, ty for clarifying. I have some (occasional) stuter in retail.

[deep pawn]

A replacement for glyphs would be cool

[uncut vault]

unfortunately, at least publicly, they seem to be against cosmetic changes to spells for PvP clarity's sake now lol

[subtle oar]

Just bring back Pre-Legion Glyph system

[deep pawn]

Nah

[subtle oar]

Yes

[deep pawn]

Those were pretty boring. You put in once and forgot

Talents fit that better in the modern game.

[subtle oar]

They enhanced the way you played your spec

[deep pawn]

Barely

They literally do what talents do now if not more boring

[subtle oar]

O.o Uhhh oookay

[deep pawn]

Unless there's major glyphs I forget about, none were super impactful.

Or are things that were eventually made baseline

[subtle oar]

A lot were super impactful

Different glyphs could completely change what build you take

[deep pawn]

Eh, you just took the best one and never thought about it again

[subtle oar]

Not really

[deep pawn]

I remember glyphs, I can't remember swapping them much if at all.

[rain cave]

There's nothing glyphs did that talents can't do

And arguably glyphs would be worse now

Since there's so much less baseline now that you have to talent in

Would glyphs affect talented abilities?

In that case it impacts the talent system and just enforces a build

[midnight delta]

Guys, when do you get to train professions on the dragon isle? Thinking of my gathering profs when starting leveling

[rain cave]

But if it only affects your base abilities, there's not much room

[midnight delta]

nvm, forgot about the beta section on the site.

This will be so much fun with the revamped profs

[worn crown]

There are some cosmetic glyphs (the only ones now :D) who affect talents, for example, one change the minion type of Raise Dead (it is not a baseline ability for Frost DK)

[rain cave]

Glyphs as spell cosmetics should stay

They work as a standardised system for it

Not saying don't overhaul it though

We should get a page for glyphs and spell cosmetics

And if they're worried about pvp, just put an option to disable enemy spell cosmetic

So that you only see the base effect when enemies use it

[plain violet]

This 100%

We already have visual disabled on our side for some spells, like lunar strike.

[rain cave]

yup

[rare hemlock]

MUST HAS this cat as a mount

upon closer inspection this cat can fly

[dense plover]

It’s not flying - it’s dead and mounted on the wall XD

That’s why it’s only the front half

[rare hemlock]

Wings resemble the Slyverns in the zone. Here's to hoping there's a full model somewhere. It's clearly mounted. That was pretty obvious from the screenshots. Captain Obvious.

[dense plover]

It doesn’t have wings

It has small fins like all of the Draconic creatures do

A mount model already exists

It’s tameable too I believe

Definitely can’t fly

It’s a cat

[ionic terrace]

I mean we have a flying pig

What could go wrong

[mossy meteor]

and a flying rat

[outer maple]

is there any different dialogues that happen if you do the 60-70 quests on Dracthyr vs others?

[twin fern]

does anyone know if the titan training matrix at the end of dungeons are tradeable to others in the group?

[deep pawn]

So think we get 10.0.5 before Christmas on ptr?

[merry tusk]

don't see why they wouldn't be, should work like every other drop in a dungeon

[crystal pond]

The 10.0.5 can be launch stuff

[ivory meadow]

It's most likely for the artifact enchants and other things

[deep pawn]

Nah, if it was launch stuff they'd just hotfix it in

And we already know tomorrow's resets are just an hour long

It's not gonna be a big patch but it'll bridge the gap between launch and 6.1

[crystal pond]

We have tons of things that encrypted and will be available Only on launch

It can be 10.2 patch and we 100% will not See it before christmas

[deep pawn]

The 10.0.2 stuff is already in game. 10.0.5 is something different and it'd make sense to be on ptr soon if 10.1 has to be on ptr in February or so

[merry tusk]

Expansion isn't even launched and already worrying about what's next 🤣

[upper pasture]

inb4 "i've played the beta who cares about 10.0" 😂

[merry tusk]

And they said they're doing smaller patches, with stuff like mage tower or whatever. People are 100% complain when they do a fun small patch with meaningless content that has no new power gain

Just like people are going to complain that there's nothing to do at 70 because there's no infinite grind

[crystal pond]

infinite grind in game
"oh this is so bad game its feels like work and not game this is bad"
blizzard removing this thing from the game
"ohhhhhhhh what must we do the game is bad There nothing do now"

Just enjoy the game

[tropic trail]

Here I am just hoping at some point in the PTR or something they add mage tower of evokers >.> because a lot of weapons are kinda ass compared to those artifact weapon skins 😂. Hopefully it’s some cool armor

[merry tusk]

Does anyone happen to know if the 30 daily craft order limit is per character or per profession? meaning if i have two tradeskills do i get 60

im sure it's 30 per char, but want to confirm

[upper pasture]

not sure if i had to wager a guess it's per character but i'm following for info now too lol

[deep pawn]

we can't even see 2 handers in combat so I'm meh on that

it's been per profession on beta so far

Regarding work orders

[dense plover]

no chance they add evoker mage tower

that would set a precedent of adding new ones for each new class in the future

and considering you need a high level character to play evoker

you would already be aware of the reason for this (hopefully)

plus theyre not going to design 16 new weapon skins for a class where you cant see the weapons

[deep pawn]

most would settle for just one appearance or armor set

[crystal pond]

So
Launch will be in 1pm pst?

Or 12pm pst?

[upper pasture]

depends on your timezone

[deep pawn]

it's 3pm pst, 6pm est

[candid ruin]

They added torghast powers, legion stuff, BFA essences(?), Shadowlands bs systems, so why not Mage tower? even if it was generic

The chance of us getting a new class is VERY low for the next good while

and to your last point: druids

[upper pasture]

did they add legion stuff and BfA essences for evokers? I only saw torghast and SLs stuff and well...that's because there would be 2 weeks time were that's the "endgame" until DF comes out so they needed something but to go back to expansions of the past would be silly.

[glad niche]

I think all legion got is a quest board in dalaran proper

The thing for choosing which zone to quest in

P sure that's it

[uncut vault]

mage tower's a bit different in that it's balanced around sets of classes with similar mobility and utility roles, Evoker doesn't really have a comparable class to their type of combined mobility and self healing

[candid ruin]

Good point! I guess we will see what happens when/if it returns

[candid ruin]

the legion stuff they added is generic; I didn't really play when essences were a thing but looking at my HoA I don't see anything evoker specific

[timber frigate]

when do i unlock this drake? i know its in azure span but can i choose the zones like in legion or i need to follow an questline like in shadowlands?

[plain violet]

You will get it naturally during the main questline.

[timber frigate]

so its not like legion to choose an zone you want first?

[candid ruin]

correct

[plain violet]

Correct, yes!

[timber frigate]

that stinks

[candid ruin]

I think on an alt you can do whatever in any order

[deep pawn]

you get all 4 drakes by the time you finish the story

[errant prairie]

Anyone know whats the average estimate of Dragonflight lvling from 60-70? Approx 6 hours if you go 'slow'?

[deep pawn]

Record is like 3 hours

[errant prairie]

Kk thanks

[rare hemlock]

this might be the lowest SEO interest I've ever seen for a WoW expansion

[crystal pond]

Well, ledies and gentelments
Today we going to have a bunch of New cinematics and cutscenes and also New quests that was blocked in beta
Aye

[upper pasture]

Aye!

Tonight we dine ON DRAGONS! Wait….no not like that.

[crystal pond]

https://youtu.be/bPZI-cx2JMo

[subtle oar]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbinhotel-angeldust-charlie-alastor-sirpentious-gif-20503833

[silent urchin]

it's almost time to see how many people take the wrong boat

[rain cave]

start a massive queue at the wrong dock

[upper pasture]

lol alliance

horde smort we take airboat

[uncut lintel]

do we only get one ofthe ragons or can we get all four?

one of the dragons8

fuck english

do i need four alts to get all of them?

[errant prairie]

the main quest experience will give you all four dragons.

No need for alts

[dense plover]

OMG that first alexstraza raszageth rendered cutscene

so good

really puts into perspective how strong raszageth is

oh man and the followup

theyre using the new tech with the rendered models in world

i love that theyre reusing that tech

[dense plover]

this cutscene has the same fancy tech

they did it for sabellian!

man i hate sabellian even more

what a douche

dont remember them adding this - more teleports are good

[tulip sun]

Neither of them are great personality wise lmao

[deep pawn]

Wrathion has shipping potential so he wins for me.

[crystal pond]

Is not all quest are available right now? I mean the ones that for dracthyr and forbiden reach

Also wrathion going to be an Aspect no doubt
Remember his New model? Its his New Aspect model

This is why blizz encrypted it back
What an opsie

[jade basalt]

Eh not sure, his new model is barely different, it's basically just an uprezzed version of his BFA one

I imagine that when he becomes Aspect, he'll use a dragon model, rather than a drake model.

[crystal pond]

Then why its still not in the game?

Chromie is a dragon, but using drake mount model
Can be the same for wrathion
Cause he is young
Just gonna be biger in size

[jade basalt]

Because he's not an Aspect yet

Probably for 10.1 or later

[rain cave]

🙄

sabellian is a dickhead I'll give you that, I was thinking I'd vote wrathion but

sabellian also just has his shit together more

and it's true what he says that he's the only black dragon who has other black dragons following him

wrathion just has a bunch of rogues and a couple drakonid

and wrathion is also mighty brash

also sabellian bringing up a good point of "adventurers and wrathion just killed my brothers and sisters instead of trying to help their madness"

also I'm still in shock that they've just let wrathion go without being charged with anything really

the man was nearly responsible for the worlds destruction as well as interfering with justice and other stuff

people who are mad about sylvanas getting away with a light sentence but approve of wrathions story kinda hypocritical

[pulsar minnow]

Ehhh? Wrathion didn’t commit genocide. He messed up but in the end it all worked out. He was also like the only reason we killed N’zoth and freed the Black Dragonflight from the Old Gods

[upper pasture]

Have you done the DF quests?

[rain cave]

I mean I finished the zone

I've just arrived at the city

[rain cave]

I never said wrathion commited genocide

just saying he's been responsible for a lot of shit, and they're kind of backwardly trying to make it seem like he's just "doing it for the greater good" meme

I think one I saw was that they've changed the justification from "he wanted the iron horde to defeat the legion" to "he wanted there to be a war to make the factions stronger"

but at the same time

he's the reason the legion even invaded so soon

and he didn't even show up to help

despite his goal being to defend the planet from the legion apparently

so lets look at wrathion's current track record

hunted down and killed what he thought was his entire flight instead of seeking to aid them or detain them

freeing a prisoner of war who was using the power of the old gods, something that his own family have suffered from

causing an invasion of azeroth from AU draenor

and attached to that is the legion invasion

and then he didn't even help in legion

sure he helped with nzoth, but the nzoth was arguably only freed BECAUSE of the legion invading

so again if we follow the chain

in part his fault

and knowing wrathion there was probably some selfishness in the whole nzoth thing because he gets to brag about how unlike deathwing he is by not going mad

I think if he wants to get on a better path, he should bring the outcasted dragons into the black dragonflight

the void dragons from 8.3

and any others he can find

don't get me wrong I like wrathion as a character, but we can't gloss over that the shit he's done is borderline evil at times

and his intentions aside, he "oopsied" a legion invasion that killed varian, vol'jin, Tyrion and ysera

so he should at least take responsibility for his actions you feel

instead of just bickering over power and a throne

a real leader wouldn't be crying about a birthright

[pulsar minnow]

My brother in Christ both Sabellian and Wrathion are crying about it

[rain cave]

and neither are good leaders

but sabellian isn't necessarily crying about it as a birthright

sabellian was entrusted to the job

[pulsar minnow]

Yet. We’re probably gonna see a big character arc for Wrathion this expac

He’s also got the guidance of Ebyssian

[rain cave]

neltharion entrusted sabellian to be the keeper of the dragonflight should he be gone

so sabellian is just showing up to do that

as he was told

the question is more, does that claim hold up?

since it's neltharion's claim to the throne effectively

wrathion's is by heritage, sabellian's is by official word of neltharion

neither of which are ideal

even then you could argue wrathion's heritage claim might not even be as sound as sabellian's own

[pulsar minnow]

Honestly idk if it really matters. Wrathion’s gonna get the throne

Like- dudes got his face on the loading screen, has been everywhere on promotional stuff

[dense plover]

I also just think Sabellian doesn’t care about Azeroth and it’s residents

[pulsar minnow]

Also using what we learned from Merithra and Ysera, a generic dragon npc model bodes pretty poorly for a dragon wanting to become aspect

[dense plover]

He and his flight have a genuine disdain for mortals

Part of the charge of the dragonflights is protecting mortals

In our time of need, Wrathion would come, Sabellian wouldn’t

[patent scarab]

That's just what the Titans want you to think!

[dense plover]

In addition, he was sent to Outland by corrupted Neltharion - so I don’t think that makes what he did good

And, he immediately lied to the PC and Wrathion about the eggs - he has given us every opportunity to distrust him instead of trust him

All he has done is lie to us

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah Peach said it pretty well

[upper pasture]

He’s definitely untrustworthy, at least what Wrathion did was “for the greater good”. I wouldn’t say Wrathion is the reason the legion invaded just the reason the legion invaded when they did

[pulsar minnow]

Wrathion’s a shifty guy but he has good intentions

He’s also incredibly young

[upper pasture]

And that turned out fine so

[pulsar minnow]

He will make mistakes

Wrathion’s what? 13?

[dense plover]

Yeah but Sabellian will make decisions to help the dragons even if it hurts mortals

Wrathion would never actively hurt mortals

[pulsar minnow]

Exactly

You put it perfectly

[dense plover]

Sabellian only cares about the dragons

He doesn’t meet the requirements of the oath

I wouldn’t be surprised if they go to make him the head and it literally doesn’t work because he isn’t a viable candidate because of that

Wrathion truly cares about the mortals of Azeroth - is he cocky and prone to rash decisions? Yes, but his intentions are true.

[pulsar minnow]

He’s trying to be everything Neltharion was supposed to be

I seriously cannot wait to see what Wrathion will look like as an aspect

[dense plover]

Versus Sabellian who wants to keep doing what he has been doing but with the power of the aspect

[pulsar minnow]

I hope they give us some sort of rendered battle between Wrathion wielding earthwarder powers against Iridikron

[dense plover]

Considering how weak Wrathion is, I think he will need aspectral power first

Might be the focus of 10.1

Empowering the aspects to take on more of the primalist incarnates

[rain cave]

tbf so was the arbiter, varian, and the random dude from maldraxxus

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but seems a lil different this time

[rain cave]

ik ik

[pulsar minnow]

Especially with Ysera on the loading screen

worst kept secret ever

[dense plover]

I hope it’s not a permanent thing and it’s just to choose a new aspect or to grow a world tree or something

Like a brief return before she has to leave again

I don’t want her story in ardenweald - the best story in shadowlands - to be literally for nothing

Would fully ruin that zone’s story for me

[pulsar minnow]

I do like the idea that Danuser proposed with the Demeter stuff

Spending half her time in Ardenweald and half in the dream/Azeroth

I have no idea where it’ll actually go but as long as Ysera’s death still means something to her character then I think we’ll be fine

[silent urchin]

we have failed, I found a virtually unmineable node that made it to live :(

Also they never fixed the bug that lets you start dragon races with all 6 vigor

Not that it really matters, golds are very easy and I can't see the multiplayer ones becoming an esport

actually probably matters for advanced gold hunting

[dense plover]

You can do this?

[tulip sun]

Wrathion can't exactly lead a flight if there is no flight

[jade basalt]

Yeah I don't get why Wrathion is portrayed as so self-obsessed with his legacy, and bratish and rash in Waking Shore, when he was much wiser in BFA and Forbidden Reach.

Sabellian saves the day at the Obsidian Citadel where Wrathion's forces would've been outnumbered but he still insisted on a siege, even Alexstrasza says his path is leading to "folly", Sabellian rebuilt the whole black dragonflight with dragons and eggs and everything, while Wrathion just went and randomly killed all the black dragons he could find, Sabellian successfully brings the eggs to the Life Pools with a masterclass ruse where Wrathion's rashness would've gotten them destroyed, and Sabellian even restores the Red dragonflight Oathstone.

Wrathion is obviously going to be the Aspect, but they're not giving him much standing for that.

[tulip sun]

Yeah

I'm kind of sad they're pushing Sabellian and especially Ebyssian to the wayside

[silent urchin]

if you're dismounted when it tries to reset you to 3 vigor, it doesn't succeed

so just accept, cancel mount, wait a second and remount

and you keep whatever vigor you had before

[dense plover]

Huh

I thought they fixed it

Must mean they broke it again

[silent urchin]

Maybe. I didn't play too much beta in the past couple months to go back and check

[crystal pond]

I love how ppl is crying about wrathion, forgetting that he is whelp, 13 years old, also forgetting the arch with the fact that he admitted that he fucked up, and that he wants to correct his mistakes and protect Azeroth, but everyone forgets about it, saying what a terrible leader he is, forgetting about the fact that he is 13 years old
Let's talk about what kind of shit you did when you were little
The boi still learning stuff

BUT

If they gonna kill sabellian or making him a bad guy it Will be so stupid

[ionic terrace]

wow

a single build number increase lol

never seen that

[jade basalt]

Everything you said is true, but that's also exactly the reason why you don't give uberpowerful Titan-given powers of Earth to a young, arrogant, rash kid

[crystal pond]

Agree

But will See what arc he will go through in df
Hope it will not suck

Because if they will make him more resonable and more like a good leader it Will be okay
Because right now at start of df wrathion feels weird af

[jade basalt]

My issue is that he wasn't self-obsessed, rash and stupid in BFA. He had grown and matured and helped us defeat N'Zoth masterfully. He studied, he was patient, he researched the Old Gods for years, then he devised a whole plan and everything.
In Forbidden Reach he's also quite wise, he's courageous and charges Raszageth, but also smart enough to retreat.

But in Waking Shore questing he's inconsistent with that portrayl. It's like he regressed and is back to being immature. He's only obsessed with his throne. Even Alexstrasza says that he's leading to folly or something along those lines. Everyone tells him that his plan is going to fail, that we don't have the numbers. He just says "my people are ready to die for me"- uh, great? and "you forget, we have me!"- okay. And then Sabellian and his army of black dragons save everyone's lives, the citadel, the eggs, everything. It's also Sabellian who restored the Red's oathstone.

Meanwhile Wrathion dismissed every tactical decision, kept complaining the entire trip with the eggs instead of just, you know, doing his job. He just wants his throne, legacy, destiny, whatever. Which is understandable but at the same time.. not urgent at all? And really showcased exactly why he shouldn't get Aspect powers. The short story also portrayed him just as brash and impulsive. And you really don't want a brash and impulsive Aspect of the Earth.

[crystal pond]

Maybe blizz did it for that reason? Hmmm

[jade basalt]

Most likely they made him stupid and impulsive so that he can progress throughout this expansion and 'learn his lessons', and yeah he'll end up at a place where he can be good enough to be Aspect.

I just wish they picked up his character arc from BFA instead of regressing him back to dummy levels.

[crystal pond]

Like "hey look There adult Black dragon that restore his flight and can be a good leader, but also There is wrathion Who helped you defeat nzoth but he is a Child"

[jade basalt]

Wrathion being like "hehe see, you lost the eggs Sabellian, mommy Alex is gonna be mad!" is not just childish but straight up weird.. these eggs were the future of your flight too. Him being almost celebrating and vindicative is weird.

[crystal pond]

I think if they stay with bfa version of him everyone will choose him over sabellian
But rn everyone confusing about wrathion being an aspect

But I agree that wrathion is weird af rn

[jade basalt]

They could've played more with the angles of Wrathion being a good Earth-Warder-like character but he needs to now buy the respect and allegiance of all these new, much older and experienced black dragons.
While Sabellian already has the respect and allegiance of the black flight, but now needs to do some Earth-Warding.

Instead Sabellian really gets all the points, he saves everyone and everything, even the Red oathstone, while Wrathion has not only failed at everything, but he's actually a weight you need to carry, which is a bit annoying.

[crystal pond]

Hope we will See a little bit of his arc soon

[deep pawn]

Sabellian didn't save the oathstone himself. He gave the last piece needed but it wasn't just him

I'm fairly sure we'd have been able to win the fight without him too cause that's what the champion does haha

I'm not trusting a black dragon who says he's not corrupted after helping his father for 10k years kill other dragons and shows up with a bunch of dragons and eggs he says are find after just 32 years away from Azeroth

If Sabellian had a cure to his father's corruption he'd have come back a decade ago