beta-ptr-spoilers

[gloomy tangle]

People can barely not stand in fire, they’re not going to understand that I set my loot spec and then there will be drama and vote kicks

[upper pasture]

you can still set your main spec for loot how it currently works

[gloomy tangle]

I know…

[upper pasture]

...

if they can't understand you setting your loot spec and winning then that's not your problem it's theirs.

[uncut vault]

it's his problem when he's being sent toxicity due to a system change that doesnt actually change anything except causing that toxicity lol

[upper pasture]

report them whheeeee

literally will be getting people banned back to back for being toxic over loot

you can bet your bottom dollar if i get nasty messages over my loot i will be reporting them

[uncut vault]

not sure how much more simply I can say that a system change that does nothing but increase toxicity over rolls isn't a system worth forcing on people, even if said toxicity can be reported

yes, it can be reported

it still doesnt justify making a system change that increases the need for that

[upper pasture]

because for some people seeing loot off a body is a lot more fun than a randomly rolled loot just dropped into your inventory

[uncut vault]

but thats... exactly what group loot is lol

personal loot is what directly comes from looting a body lol

[upper pasture]

no? group loot loot is on the body and everyone gets to see whats there before rolls all decide who gets what. personal loot is randomly decided once the boss is dead and the game auto rolls who "wins" loot and drops it into your inventory without touching a boss

[uncut vault]

you have to loot a boss to get loot in personal loot still lmao

[upper pasture]

lol no you don't

[uncut vault]

so uh

whys there a chest at the end of the sylvanas fight

that you loot

[upper pasture]

i can't tell you the last time i've looted a world boss

[uncut vault]

for gear

in LFR

LFR is not world bosses

eorld bosses do that, yes

raids do not

[upper pasture]

world bosses is personal loot still

[uncut vault]

and world bosses arent changing

you still loot bosses for items in raids for personal loot

it has more direct interaction with boss looting than group loot, which doesnt involve direct looting on the part of the player at all

its literally rolling, and if it wins it drops into your inventory

you have it very backwards lol

[silent urchin]

There's personal loot where you have the hidden rolls vs everyone else and still have to loot it, and push personal where it's an individual chance and shows up automatically in your inventory

Push personal tends to be for special/additional things like pets and so on

Or world bosses, as mentioned

you also can't trade push personal stuff

[dense plover]

The thing with need/greed having those ilvl restrictions is that in the case of someone begging, you get to roll against them and can actively pass on getting loot that you don’t want or need vs personal loot where you might not even want that thing

Hypothetically, need/greed means you might have multiple equipable items from one boss and you can choose which ones to roll on, especially if you don’t even need one of them

[gloomy tangle]

Beta invite wave went out

[dense plover]

Apparently - probably still not in because fuck me

I’ll find out in about 30 when I get home

Didn’t according to my account page which means I probably didn’t

I’m trying on twitch but I probably won’t get it

[dense plover]

can confirm - no beta on launcher

[ivory meadow]

good heavens

really?

[upper pasture]

Damn, I feel so bad for peach, I should start entering these giveaways for beta access and hope I can get one for them

[glass flicker]

I mean, is beta access even worth it, at this point?

We have a release date.

[upper pasture]

shrug they want to test stuff

[pulsar minnow]

I hope not getting beta this time around for myself turns out to be a sort of blessing in disguise. I’ve been in the last two and burnt myself out before launch. This time it’ll feel so fresh to explore everything when it’s complete

[deep pawn]

I'm still on the side that group loot will be hated. If you have to increase the amount of loot dropped by lfr perhaps you should check and ask is this healthy

Like screw it. I'll be the degen pug leader who never invites my tier token and armor type

Clearly that's how blizzard wants the game played

[upper pasture]

Honestly no matter what people will be upset about loot. It happens all the time. Hell I’ve had friends quit because “they didn’t get enough loot”

Unless they hand it out like candy not everyone is going to be happy

[deep pawn]

We did have that, but they had titanforging to keep the carrot and that was hated

[upper pasture]

Blizzard wants to make sure they keep people subbed for as long as possible and handing out all the loot in 3 weeks isn’t going to get that done

[abstract ether]

uh I typed 000. earlier, but it was a baby smacking my keyboard while I was cooking dinner. if I ever spam nonsense that's why. apologies in advance. I do try to keep him out of the office

[deep pawn]

Blizzard just needs to stop being all or nothing with changes. People didn't want personal loot replaced, they wanted both

But yeah, right now I wouldn't have worried much about who I invite, I just want to kill the bosses, now you're directly forcing players to calculate how much competition they want and group leaders can outright eliminate it

[upper pasture]

Personally it doesn’t matter to me, group loot or personal but having more loot types isn’t a good thing I feel like.

Personally too I’m not hurt over seeing things drop and I lose the roll. Never feels good but like it’s a game so another chance will come

[deep pawn]

Leave group loot for guilds, pugs stay personal

[upper pasture]

But yes that would be ideal

[deep pawn]

I'm just very very much against them readding loot drops that no one in your raid can even equip

[upper pasture]

They haven’t even responded if that’s still a thing yet my guy

[deep pawn]

They did in the post yesterday and Ion said it in an interview too

[upper pasture]

Your biggest issue could be a none issue

They did?

[deep pawn]

They're welcome to change it but I can't see them letting you raid stack

Yes, they used a bow as an example if you don't have a hunter

They said they feel it's a good thing to encourage groups to want to cover all classes and weapon types

Screw small friends and family guilds eh?

Thus why I say if I'm leading a pug it's in my personal interest to ensure I'm the only one who can use my tier token if I'm after 4p

[upper pasture]

Yeah I just saw the warglaive example.

Idk, I suppose they think they don’t need to change it since classes are changing so much people will be able to play specs differently and might like them but also it’s not really a bad change to make no loot go to waste

[deep pawn]

Imagine killing the second to last boss as 10m guild and that evoker staff takes up half your possible loot

And you don't have one

[upper pasture]

That’s literally my only dislike with group loot. Everything else is positive

[deep pawn]

Or worse, two of them

[upper pasture]

They need to make a change and make a system that will only drop loot for the current classes in raid

[deep pawn]

I just don't have those positives. I get nothing out of seeing loot I can't use drop to just press disenchant

[upper pasture]

But not just personal cause low key boring but that’s subjective

[deep pawn]

They won't do that cause they don't want armor stacking anymore

[upper pasture]

Make items nontradable

[deep pawn]

To slow the 0.1% they're risking lowering game quality for the rest

[upper pasture]

Then class stacking won’t matter

No more armor trading

[deep pawn]

Eh, half the reason they are doing this is so you can trade stuff freely

[upper pasture]

Then make it so it doesn’t drop items the raid can’t use

[deep pawn]

That's our price, trade even ilvl upgrades, but risk loot no one can use.

[upper pasture]

I’d rather have all usable loot and can’t trade once the rolls have been made

Stops people from just react rolling

Well..unless it’s something they needed they shouldn’t roll on it

[deep pawn]

Well at least you can't need on things that aren't an upgrade but still I see more negatives than benefits

[upper pasture]

Or stacking the group with geared people to increase your chances

Cause they wouldn’t be able to trade it to you anyways

[deep pawn]

That's what pug leaders are gonna do. Before they'd favor geared people of their loot type, now it's the opposite and you want 0 competition

[upper pasture]

That’s how it used to be too like long way back

[deep pawn]

And part of why it got changed to mitigate that behavior

Personal loot also ensures you eventually get something

[upper pasture]

Yeah well those who don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat it or whatever

[deep pawn]

Group loot you can always lose a roll

[upper pasture]

Encouraging people to join guilds isn’t a bad thing

[deep pawn]

Inb4 reroll tokens come back mid season

[upper pasture]

One of the things that killed WoW community is the fact that no one needs to be part of any type of guild to do anything nowadays

[deep pawn]

That's bull.

[upper pasture]

Used to have to join guilds to get into raids and now you just click a button and it finds one for you

[deep pawn]

If people are only social cause they're forced to be I doubt they were having fun

[upper pasture]

I had a blast in wrath

I wasn’t forced but I wanted to see endgame stuff so I found like minded people because I wanted to do it

[deep pawn]

I was always uncomfortable in raids cause it was always gen x types talking about drama when the guild leader is divorcing her husband to move in with an officer

Or the ever present bong rip guy

[upper pasture]

Welp. I typed something out but I had a word that triggered the bot and I’m too lazy to retype and change it lol

But similar thing happened to me

[deep pawn]

So after that, I'll just do my random pugs to see the bosses once, get tier if it's the only way, and then never go back. The worst part of raids to me is always the other people

[upper pasture]

Except the wife played with us too lol

People will always be shit is what I’ve learned

[deep pawn]

Hell even streamers I watch often seem miserable in raids but are doing it to be competitive

[upper pasture]

Just streamer things

Clout and what not

[deep pawn]

Nah, just raiding things but it's what you put up with to mythic raid

Brings me back to unlock catalyst week 1. Raiders don't deserve 4p that much faster

[glass flicker]

But will the catalyst have the same restrictions of one item a week, and getting faster, like right now?

[worn crown]

I wonder if Blizz opened the Beta doors for everyone?

I just got Beta access, even though the only other Beta I got in was BfA, but I didn't even downloaded the client back then 😛

[dense plover]

no

they just are giving out lots of keys

unless youre me

[deep pawn]

they haven't said

we just know it's not week 1

[silver copper]

Same here :<

[dense plover]

yeah but have you been in every alpha/beta since warlords and reported over 900 bugs in shadowlands?

because i have and didnt get a key for some dumb reason

[silver copper]

Yeah thats really weird

[ember blaze]

youre talking about LFR. what you say is still how it is for anything else.

and LFR is basically story mode

[amber kiln]

anyone else on dragonflight having issues launching the beta on mac ?

i hit play the beta icon pop's up then an blizzard Crash reporter opens

[ember blaze]

was there ever new colors/frames, etc for the ui at some point?

like datamined or something? or did i dream all of this

[deep pawn]

Nozdormu is very yellow instead of bronze

[uncut vault]

There were, but I think they might have mostly been for various layers of cast bars

these are all the colors in the new files

[ember blaze]

Would be sad to not get a bit more options with how stuff looks.

[cosmic beacon]

Wait peach still no beta?

[rain cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANuDDQTNKY&ab_channel=WorldofWarcraft

nozdormu on the thumbnail, ominous narration about "the future that is meant to be" and "opening your mind"

hm

[strange jacinth]

Do we know if #showtooltip in macros will be fixed for release? It doesnt work on beta or ptr.

Currently have to manually select the icon to show on the macro.

[dense plover]

Yes - still no beta

Unless someone gets me a key or I win a contest, I don’t think I’m getting it

[cunning fossil]

Ayy they listened to the feed back let's goo

[gloomy tangle]

Hopefully they allow your health bar to be your class colour

[cunning fossil]

I believe that's what they may be doing

[deep pawn]

"Only this moment matters" is the most ominous thing from him

[harsh wedge]

Do you have the game in any other language than English ? I have it in English and #showtooltip works flawlessly, even with conditional macro if I remember correctly

[meager sigil]

someone that has unlocked the dragonriding skills and the abilities on the tree, are they account bound too?

or I need to unlock them for my alts?

[harsh wedge]

@strange jacinth I confirm that showtooltip works correctly in english client, if it does not in other language, you should report it just in case

[deep pawn]

the glyphs are account wide unlocks

[meager sigil]

so, the number of glyphs I can spend on my main character, I can spend on an alt too?

[silent urchin]

Yes

[meager sigil]

neat, thanks guys

[deep pawn]

I hope we get some more blue posts today

[uncut vault]

Yeah, it’s been far too long without a Friday Hunter post 😛

[uncut lintel]

delete hunters from game

[deep pawn]

I'm stunned BM feels so messy for as much feedback it got

Hunters now say they got abandoned

[uncut vault]

in fairness, they absolutely had the worst tree to start out, and it's at a mostly-acceptable state now for BM and MM

but the abandonment feeling probably comes more from their usefulness rather than the actual talent/gameplay design

only class with absolutely nothing unique worth bringing to a raid, and their one pitiful utility talent got made more useless lol

[deep pawn]

I'm mostly grumpy at them still having 2 3 point talents in the spec tree

And way too many active abilities in the class tree

[dense plover]

Druid has a few of those two

They need to get rid of all 3 point traits

[uncut vault]

this ones probably the most egregious for me, cause it's on the new class of all things

and totally ruins what should be a neat little optional talent build

[silent urchin]

that doesn't even seem like a good talent

[uncut vault]

it theoretically is, since all 3 points + the talent above it amounts to a good amount of healing from Fire Breath

but it should really just be a flat 1 point that increases the damage, or just be redesigned into something interesting lol

[dense plover]

2 points 1.5% each would be acceptable

Not good but not frustrating

[deep pawn]

It's honestly a very op talent and probably worth 3 points

It's buffing the vast majority of preservations dps by 43%

So it's easily like 10% dps per point

That's another can of worms of why not just reduce the talent and bake some dps in

[ionic terrace]

kek

[livid walrus]

LOL

[silent urchin]

oh no

[ionic terrace]

set bonuses

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-dragonflight-season-1-class-sets/1354609

[deep pawn]

Why is blizzard such a god damn stubborn idiot about timegates

You're only punishing people who don't split and funnel tier

[mossy meteor]

mommy

[upper pasture]

eh 6 weeks after raid opens. eh.

[deep pawn]

Blizzard being stupid

Why would people care about tier after getting ksm, aotc etc

[upper pasture]

not everyone gets ksm in the first month and a half

[deep pawn]

The people who care largely will

Cause ksm is tied to valor upgrades

Week one with a longer CD would have been perfectly fine

Cause unless it's 4 charges week 6 you're looking at week 10. 2.5 months into a 6 month season

[upper pasture]

and? being able to pick up any alt halfway through a season and build 4pc sounds very reasonable

[dense plover]

Pretty sure they’re not targeting prog people with the inspiration catalyst or whatever it’s called

[upper pasture]

you seem to forget this isn't a main gearing method but a bad luck protection/catch up for alts

[ember blaze]

which still ends up being that same way for your main

[upper pasture]

if you're behind the curve sure

[ember blaze]

and this just fucks over anyone that doesnt raid

[upper pasture]

they are "fucking" themselves over by not doing content that doesn't have the gear they want. this is just aroundabout way to get tier without raiding

you just have to wait to get it fully

[dense plover]

They don’t want M+ to replace raiding

But I do think it should be 4 weeks not 6

6 is ridiculous

That’s end of lfr

[upper pasture]

4 would be better but you can get lfr 4 set until you can swap out your M+ pieces if you need to

[dense plover]

Except you can’t get the lfr set before the catalyst

Lfr is 6 or 7 weeks

[deep pawn]

Delayed catalyst just feels miserable as a m+ and pvp player

[upper pasture]

last wing of lfr opens a month after normal raid no?

[deep pawn]

Especially when you're competing against raiders with 4p in that content

[upper pasture]

still 2 weeks left before you get assuming a single charge

[deep pawn]

No one enjoyed playing the vault rng game.

You get tier 4 weeks in a row? You felt great, everyone else just felt punished

[upper pasture]

i mean, you're not always going to get gear

if you do end up lucky enough to have 4 set in only pugs you are really lucky or you paid through the nose for it

or just wait until week 10 and convert pieces

[ember blaze]

Yeah just be miserable for 10 weeks. No issue there

[upper pasture]

"miserable" sure

[ember blaze]

Remember how the s4 vendors were not there to be a main source of gear?

[upper pasture]

it's literally a game my guy

[ember blaze]

Yeah so why delay it and let us have fun

It’s just a game

[upper pasture]

because they make money of people subbing but sure lets let everyone be totally geared week 2 lets see the sub count drop

[ember blaze]

Considering all raid difficulties are open week one and so is m+ you sure about that?

[upper pasture]

so you think a full raid group will get completely geared in a week?

what are you a RWF raider?

[deep pawn]

I don't care about gearing anymore once I finish my seasonal goals, it just gets replaced the next season and I don't need bis to do what I want.

4p is just the only really interesting thing to get and I just hate getting it after being done with my personal goals

I think the latest anyone should get 4p in a season is week 4-6 so you actually get a chance to play with it while it's relevant

Or else it turns into a bonus to help you at the start of the next season

[deep pawn]

But hey, I'll 30m normal and make sure only I can get my token

[crystal pond]

And then there kalecgos

You know this feeling when you the only one in party who is short

[fallow stump]

got offered the beta, don't really want to play it

[crystal pond]

Give it to peach 💀

[fallow stump]

cant give it away

[crystal pond]

Sad

[cunning fossil]

OH YM GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD

GUYS I GOT IN
OH MY GOd

Peach I am so fucking sorry you ware way more deserving of this than me by a long fucking shot I am SO SORRY

[fallow stump]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-wow-really-surprised-feeling-it-gif-15881647

[cunning fossil]

i'm a bit hypoer yes but now to be serious

what should I focuis on doing all>

[fallow stump]

if you want to make gold, then concentrate of profs

my goal is 5 million the first week

[cunning fossil]

jesus

also love how FUror got carpet bombed lmao

[fallow stump]

thats what I made when SL came out

[cunning fossil]

but also I want t0o just help make DF better

Ugh I need help where are you people wyou should be active on Discord 24/7

[deep pawn]

Can't wait you see your scaly

[cunning fossil]

OH RIGHT I CAN MAKE ONE

[upper pasture]

just test content

[cunning fossil]

oh and now I can judge whether or not I'll hate it

[deep pawn]

Try the dungeons, pity normal raid testing got delayed

[cunning fossil]

good point, but got any suggestions to start?

[upper pasture]

do things and see if they break

[cunning fossil]

understood!

[deep pawn]

You can do the levelling realms if you don't mind spoilers

[upper pasture]

don't be afraid to report things that seem like they aren't working properly either

[deep pawn]

Valdrakken has professions

[cunning fossil]

hmm understood

I think I will try out a few trhings like riding, Evoker, the dungeons and stuff

but I will also do professions since I doubt many people are even touching those

[deep pawn]

Oh lots are since it's the only way to get 392 gear right now

[cunning fossil]

oh i had no idea lmao

definitely gonna do Engineering

I have to

if it's not cool I'll riot

[deep pawn]

Engi has guns and goggles

Portal with a longer cd

New wipe recovery

[cunning fossil]

the wipe recovery is gonna be so good

Valdrakken is the level 70 test realm yeah?

how does one report a bug in the character select screen?

because Chest Spikes for Evoker's ar not showing up at all

[deep pawn]

Yeah

I forget what chest spikes were, they are on the shoulders I think?

[cunning fossil]

ahh

oh and I think Press to Tap is gonna feel way better for me

I keep not holding it down lmao

[deep pawn]

That seems pretty much the consensus

[pulsar minnow]

yoooo grats

[deep pawn]

I really don't know why peach isn't in yet

[cunning fossil]

seriously like

Peach deserves this way more

also in a queue for a dungeon and hoping to like try it out a bit

let';s gooo

[cunning fossil]

Well I did horrible on my first run lmao

[deep pawn]

Well you have 340 gear in dungeons tuned for 353 or so

Were you devastation?

[cunning fossil]

Devastationyea

I have the Starter build on

but now I'm trying my own build

[deep pawn]

Starter build avoided any extra abilities so is a bit lacking in abilities and synergies

[cunning fossil]

gotcha

doing ablue AoE build

[deep pawn]

Oh, wowhead give away!

[pulsar minnow]

Oh I’m definitely entering. .00000001% chance tho 😎

[ember blaze]

@cunning fossilLOL. grats

[ember blaze]

probably the leveling server if you want to give feedback/report bugs

[cunning fossil]

fair enough ye

So from a couple dungeons with evoker I can say taht

Yeah, evokers are kinda squishy

and overall they aren't very fast

However, I feel like In combat they have pretty good amount of movement if you know when to use it

and if you position yourself well

Though again, probably more testing : D

and the fact I am trash

[deep pawn]

Anyone not called warlock can feel squishy right now

And some dungeons hit like a truck

[cunning fossil]

fair

The thing is that Evokers feel really interesting that they don't have interesting heals

i mean

Instant heals

but they have really effective HoT healing with Cauterizing

[deep pawn]

Reversion is there but it's a hot

Oh you mean in deva

[cunning fossil]

Sorry I did mean Deva

wil try Preserve some time

[deep pawn]

Revitalizing is meant to be your defensive self healing

[dense plover]

guys

i got in contact with someone who works at blizz

[silent urchin]

Did they ban you from live too?

[dense plover]

they put me on a list - they said I would get beta in 5-7 days, maybe sooner

[pulsar minnow]

LETS GOOO

[dense plover]

and theyre reliable - theyre one of the people who is distributing keys to streamers

apparently the tool used is totally different now

previously staff got 3 F&F

now they can just add people to a list and they get in on the next wave

so im not gonna do anymore beta key stuff

so now that ill have access within a week, im not gonna waste my time taking keys from someone else

[uncut vault]

or get the key, and give it to someone else you think is missingit 😛

[cunning fossil]

dub!

[dense plover]

? whats that mean

[cunning fossil]

it means a win

like W

[dense plover]

oh

[cunning fossil]

lmao

[deep pawn]

Did I hallucinate the interview where a dev said they wouldn't remove LFR cause LFR participation allows them to make larger raids?

[cunning fossil]

i believe you are not

[deep pawn]

I just can't remember which one.

Max was making fun of community council people today being upset about forced group loot

[ember blaze]

monks got 10 defensives

[ember blaze]

no, i do remember ion at some point saying that it's hard to justify spending so much on content, only a tiny portion of people will see

[ember blaze]

the problem is you lose downtime even if you plan for movement

cause hover always locks you out on every use

[deep pawn]

the hover lockout is very short now

it's off the gcd and locks you out for less than one

I'll admit that community council member was wrong saying LFR is the only reason raids are still being made, but LFR is why we get 8-11 boss tiers instead of 6

I wouldn't hate 5-6 boss tiers if it meant more dungeons

[ember blaze]

well we get big raids and more dungeons

so you dont have to give up one for the other

[deep pawn]

BFA and SL added a single mega dungeon.

I want to go back to where you would have a patch that'd add 3 whole new dungeons like Wrath and Cata

[ember blaze]

yea but im talking now and the future

and im including old dungeons in that pool

[cunning fossil]

the down time now is much smaller thankfully, but I see your point

ALso

I love SMF warrior

[ember blaze]

what is that

[cunning fossil]

Perma Enrage and Recklessness is practifally a 45 second CD

oh it's Single Minded Fury Warrior

IT's just SO fun like

oh my god I never have down time

[deep pawn]

if they have 4 new dungeons ready for s3 I'll buy it

[ember blaze]

does it like extend/reduce cd?

[cunning fossil]

I do notcare if Two Handed is better

[cunning fossil]

reduce CD

[ember blaze]

yeah stuff like that is fun

[deep pawn]

you can get the same game play with TG now, SMF is just move speed

[cunning fossil]

K

[ember blaze]

a spec like fire feels so much better when your 0 dmg downtime is lower

[deep pawn]

I like it visually myself and I wish they'd make it competitive but fury warriors hate the idea

[ember blaze]

and you just get to keep going into combust

[cunning fossil]

well kind of but the Frenzied flurry thing is pretty good

[ember blaze]

or monks new talents where you can reduce cd and extend your cd

[cunning fossil]

makes auto attack Crits have a 50% chance to enrange

UGHHh it feels so nice

I gotta try out all the clases eventually

[deep pawn]

there's a couple talents that let you keep enrage up permanently

some think it's overkill

[cunning fossil]

well I say fuck em. let them have their stuff and let me have mine

I don't want them to balance so that the pros have an easier time managing shit. i just want stuff to be fun

[deep pawn]

they're concerned about scaling since previous expansions fury's scaling path was more and more enrage uptime, what do you do when you start at 100%

[cunning fossil]

go further

But yeah I kinda get waht you mean but at the same time

fun

This is a selfish attitude I have but I legiimately do not want the pros to make classes less fun for the sake of "balance" which they will bitch about anyways

[ancient jasper]

I'd really like to see them add individual scaling for each part of the UI. The UI Scaling under Graphics is a terrible option considering each thing seems to resize at a different rate.

[cunning fossil]

oh yeah

[livid walrus]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=394692/awaken-soul they keep using this

[livid walrus]

can someone help me to know what is the npc id 191580 ?

[livid walrus]

you cant take gold directly from your bag anymore

[leaden cairn]

Trying to think of what healer I want to level for Dragonflight. Currently thinking Monk, Shaman, or Priest. How do these classes hold up in DF? Also, how's Windwalker, Enhancement, and Shadow looking as off-spec potential?

[hard pagoda]

in Dragonflight which level do I need to get to get dragonriding skill?

I dont want to spoil myself too much new content

and to just get to test dragonriding

[harsh wedge]

@hard pagoda you get it during the first zone of the expansion, don't remember the level though

[hard pagoda]

okay good to know

[errant prairie]

Approx 30 to 1hour of questing tbh. I think you can get it at lvl 60 as long as you follow the main questline

[cunning fossil]

Honestly not a great question to ask as Tuning has yet to be done but currently, Shaman is looking all around for their tree, Priest has some issues with their tree bur at the same time has a lot of flexibility. And monk still needs works as well, but Mist/Fistweaving seems to both be viable strategies

[leaden cairn]

[cunning fossil]

Shaman is looking GOOD all adound

Whopps lmao

[mossy meteor]

does anyone know where this can be found / what mobs drop it

[dense plover]

is that not from like elemental nodes or something?

maybe even requires specialization?

[mossy meteor]

found it in uh

random fire elementals near ruby life pools

[dense plover]

oh - so its an elemental DROP

cool

[mossy meteor]

flavor text indicated it's from fire elementals, i checked a bunch of them and none dropped

until i got to that area

so it's specific ones

[dense plover]

wonder if all of the elementals have stuff?

maybe near the shrine specifically?

[mossy meteor]

i dunno, but this was for a "love" quest

one npc asking you to craft a jeweled heart (since i'm a jewelcrafter) for their husband

[dense plover]

yeah theres a bunch of crafting quests associated with that item

so i think its quest/WQ only

cant even find it on wowhead

[dense plover]

for Beef right?

[mossy meteor]

i think there's a second frog named similarly

but i'm just walking around the capital for no reason

and found the frog accidentally

[dense plover]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-noice-jake-peralta-andy-samberg-nice-gif-14234819

im just waiting for the next wave so i can play

[neat rose]

Hoping someone could maybe give some input on a Professions question? With the changes to professions, does it still make sense to be dual gathering on an alt? Or should I be considering grabbing a gathering profession on my main?

Edit: Asking here as it might be discussing the specs, quests, anything else beta related, and didn't want to spoil anything 🙂

[mossy meteor]

uh

fuck

so i did the grand time adventure thingy

and got to the black empire part

and @ionic terrace told me to attack therazane

and i respawned back in uldum

[dense plover]

XD

thats now where you should respawn

i would report that

[mossy meteor]

yeah i will

i just want to go back to nozdormu to see if theres still a portal

i didnt accept the quest while in the black empire part

too busy looking around

ok good

there is a portal

[ionic terrace]

see

[mossy meteor]

@ionic terrace okay so

it seems you respawn in uldum if you didnt accept the quest

i have the quest now and i died to random bugs but i respawned in the scenario

[ionic terrace]

prob cause it's ny'alotha

i do wonder if you would pop up in vale if the invasion was there

[mossy meteor]

nzoth quotes are the best

[dense plover]

these are old quotes though

i have to wonder if theyre relevant or are about stuff that happened in the past

i would assume the roots thing might be talking about the tree that pierced the prison in northrend

[deep pawn]

Vordrassil is relatively recent though.

[dense plover]

maybe its about the tree that was planted in valsharah?

thats the first one right?

[deep pawn]

That'd be cool if yogg knew he was gonna get imprisoned

[dense plover]

since thats about the nightmare

[deep pawn]

I'm starting to think except for the one tree in Hyjal that the void just piggybacks on all of them

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep pawn]

The tree in Valsharah might be the only one to predate the sundering

Since Malfurion had training there

[dense plover]

it wasnt corrupted until the 3rd invasion apparently

but xavius was made into a tree

and survived the sundering since we see him in legion

[deep pawn]

Satyrs should be a fairly minor threat now since the legion is shattered and Xavius is dead as far as we know

But since we know Satyrs are just demonic elves any remaining pitlord could make more or just any night elf warlocks

[dense plover]

oh sure - i was just giving some background on potential options for roots and dreams and such

[deep pawn]

I'm worried about us planting another tree knowing the typical risks of them

We're officially 0-4 on their safety long term

[dense plover]

i mean - darnassus was fine with help from dragons

and hyjal had eternity water

didnt illidan give tyrande his last vial?

[deep pawn]

Was darnassus finally cleansed before burning?

[dense plover]

i thought it had been cleansed during cata

during Stormrage apparently

"Recently, Malfurion returned from the Emerald Dream and helped imprison Fandral, who, as it turned out, had been turned insane by Lord Xavius and responsible for the corruption of Teldrassil. Malfurion, druids, and Alexstrasza with Ysera redeemed and blessed the Tree. Archdruid Stormrage now stands in the Temple of the Moon alongside his beloved. "

[deep pawn]

No, Nozdormu continued to withold his blessing then they got depowered

[dense plover]

i dont see anything about that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

"The tree flourished even more under the gifts from the Life-Binder and the Dreamer, though it still cannot return the night elves' immortality without a blessing from Nozdormu. "

it was uncorrupted

[deep pawn]

It's been a bit since I did Cata Teldrassil but I remember them being confused about corruption continuing

[dense plover]

just made the night elves mortal

so we are really 2 for 4

and 2 were planted by fandral

5?

theres been 5 world trees

valsharah - 2 in northrend, teldrassil, hyjal

[deep pawn]

I count Hyjal as a 0 cause it was just a massive freaking legion beacon and it has to be blown up to save the world

[dense plover]

but hyjal is fine

the world tree nordrasil is there

[deep pawn]

It's a shade of itself I thought. They haven't been consistent on that

[dense plover]

it regrew by cataclysm

only 2 have failed - both in northrend

both because of old gods without the dragons blessing it

assuming there is old god stuff under the dragon isles - that could be a plot point for the world tree there

maybe we need to get rid of it to fix the tree since the dragons arent at full strength

i imagine our ultimate goal in DF is to get the dragons re-empowered

[deep pawn]

There's no way they make the dragons getting empowered change the Murozond future, but the infinite dragons make it sound like Murozond only comes around cause of them being weaker and Nozdormu seeking power elsewhere

He could turn before the ultimate end.

Can only imagine the frustration of whatever ultimate bronze aspect is to stay out of the way of the past.

[dense plover]

i think we will meet murozond by the end of 10.1

and then 10.2 and 10.3 will involve him being a threat

10.2 being him doing something, 10.3 being end time

especially because "Dragonflight: End Time" is a fucking awesome patch title

[deep pawn]

Just hope they don't retread us grabbing the Dragon Soul from the past again

[dense plover]

i dont think they will

[deep pawn]

Or they save End Times as 11.0 where the void attacks after Murozond opens the way somehow

[dense plover]

10.0 seems to be focusing on the mistakes of the dragonflights BEFORE deathwing

[deep pawn]

No, it's gonna be Wrathion doing something stupid for good intent leading to 11.0

Why not have a third expansion be directly his fault haha

[dense plover]

XD i think wrathion wont be the problem

[ancient jasper]

You leave Wrathion alone 👿

[mossy meteor]

it'll be sabelian

xd

[ancient jasper]

Are all AddOns giving an error currently?

Even ones that I have that are updated for 10.0.2 are throwing the error

[deep pawn]

I hope Wrathion at least comes to terms with the fact he was directly responsible for the Legion invading with Gul'dan and then he was conveniently missing through the one thing he said was his primary goal in trying to unite Azeroth.

[dense plover]

are there callings or something in DF?

[deep pawn]

I'm not sure.

I think the major factions just have weekly quests

[silent urchin]

There's a weekly quest in valdrakken to gain 2k rep

[mossy meteor]

finally

[crystal pond]

Imagine if Old gods was send to corrupt azeroth, but azeroth was so powerful even for the Old gods and she didnt get corrupted as void lords wanted too
But instead its start merging with old gods
And this is the reason why their Roots was so deep in azeroth but it didnt corrupt her
And this is the reason for this quote and another about that "earth power is our power"
And with all of this cosmic crazy stuff titans actually doing a corruption to but in their way and yet they actually didnt succeded at all either

Wtf did I drop rn

[ancient jasper]

Huh it's telling me I need to complete an Achievement to unlock Evoker?

Ah.. One per realm. That's why.

[crystal pond]

Also its probably chtun line because the way he saying "you...will...die" is so good

[ancient jasper]

There is a lot of shit you can miss in the Dracthyr starting area apparently

[silent urchin]

There's quite a few treasures but all the ones I saw just gave a 10min buff

or some gear that isn't exactly important after you leave

[ancient jasper]

Alright those are ?? Elites don't mess with them

[dense plover]

yeah its probably gonna be a max level zone

[ancient jasper]

Most likely, yeah.

Cute little Tuskarr Village

[austere gazelle]

Remember that, according to legend, An'she was wounded and corrupted by the Darkness, and Elune has to tend him. Since trees are related or linked with the plane of Life, its possible that they all , somewhow , share part of the power of An'she, hence be corrupted by Darkness. Which could explains why Teldrassil and the Dream could be " easily " corrupted to begin with. A connexion might exists somehow

[plain violet]

In the legends, An'she is tied to light, earth, fire, nature, where Mu'sha is water, wind, moon.

[true agate]

anyone made post about fishing net up in Roaring dragon. one you set and wait like 10 hours for > ? cause seems i logged on exacttly 10 hours and says please wait another 6 hours.

kind of feel like its FFA net. and should be more like tiller gardens from MoP

[crystal pond]

Its a beta still
Hope they reduce timer for fishing in future

[silent urchin]

There's a lot about the fishing stuff that I haven't figured out yet

it feels like a bunch of the rep reward stuff isn't fully implemented yet

or is being kept back

[true agate]

well 10 hour fish net seems to only give 5 scalebelly mackerel and 8 temporal dragonhead unsure if anyone else can loot

[glad niche]

Has there been any new info regarding Dracthyr and core flight capability?

[digital badge]

what may be causing this fps spike issues? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPNUjaFcBGw

[crystal pond]

Npcs/mobs didnt download properly

[digital badge]

what can i do?

[crystal pond]

Try to change settings, most of the time its game being stupid
If this didnt help and still hapening reload pc
If didnt help Redownload game

If its happening rarely and not all the times then dont pay attention, its happen sometimes

[livid walrus]

is it me or you cant click up to the former text you wrote ?

[digital badge]

it always happens to me as if I have not finished downloading the game

i have another video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF_J8nliNpg

[deep pawn]

Do you mean soar? At this point I don't expect major changes. It's a mini dragon riding with basic abilities

[dull flame]

if anything soar needs a boost

[glad niche]

Nah I meant like anything regarding future plans for them to have a normal flight ability

[digital badge]

im installing english version

[dull flame]

you mean like druid flight form ?

[glad niche]

Pretty much. It's something I hope to see some day.

[dull flame]

doubtful but never say never

its more of a competition to gliding like DH

[glad niche]

Ye. Was just curious cause I hopped off the wow train for a month or so and am just now digging through bits and pieces of info

[dull flame]

so far i cant tell where are they going with evokers

[crystal pond]

You not the only one who have problem with downloading a stormwind
Me and my friend never log out in Stormwind because our pcs dying when logging in there
Maybe its your memory or just your pc cannot take it properly without lags

[dense plover]

ive been having problems as well

are you in the US?

[crystal pond]

Is country server now affect frame drop?

[dense plover]

well im more talking about the latency

fps is computer based - latency might be internet or it can be server based

[digital badge]

Eu

[dense plover]

hmmmm

[crystal pond]

Latency supposed to affect only ping
And not droping frames

[dense plover]

could just be blizz in general

ive been having problems on retail i normally dont have

[digital badge]

Latency can affect to fps

[dense plover]

it shouldnt

except when the lag catches up

[digital badge]

If you have packet loss

[crystal pond]

It was sayed that dragonflight and last patches will need more then before to run it

Maybe this is the case?

[digital badge]

But my issue isnt about gpu bounded or cpu

They are strange jump spikes

[crystal pond]

Are you having last patch for videocard?

[digital badge]

Ofc

[crystal pond]

Hmmmmmmmmm

Then ye its blizzard issue

[digital badge]

Retail runs so good

[dense plover]

i need help deciding something - i know im getting beta sometime this week, but i think i want to go into the story blind, but i still want to help test stuff - can i still be an effective tester at just max level?

so should i still level and report potential bugs?

or do you think its late enough in beta where that wont matter much?

[deep pawn]

Did they ever push the PTR build this week

[dense plover]

nope

probably next week with a new beta tbh

[deep pawn]

I thought so. Scary since it might be 3 weeks away

I'm really thinking we're gonna end up with a 3 week prepatch

[dense plover]

no big deal if we do - its a brief event and dracthyr ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uncut vault]

too late for story changes at this point, mostly just side quest logistics that still need testing

[deep pawn]

Tons of class bugs though

Hell we found out today that Dracthyr tail options are what's breaking animations

[errant prairie]

breaking animations? Like Disintegrates' bug? From time to time I find my character just standing there but using the resources and doing zero damage and animation.

[deep pawn]

Nah, the special wing effects on eternity surge and temporal anomaly

[errant prairie]

aah

[dense plover]

so what youre saying is, testing endgame and class rotations is plenty?

[uncut vault]

Yeah more than plenty

though endgame isnt accessible on valdrakken sadly

gotta level on the other two servers to 70 to access it

[dense plover]

it isnt?

that seems like a mistake

[uncut vault]

its by design

[dense plover]

ugh

i dont want to spoil the story though

[uncut vault]

its specifically for raid/pvp/whenever they open dungeons

[dense plover]

its so close to launch now

[uncut vault]

I think most of the cutscenes are in for waking shore now at least, so you could get to 61 to unlock dragonriding and then go from there

doing side quests

[dense plover]

i dont know if i want to spoil those either - i would feel different if we were 4-6 months out but we are 2 months

[deep pawn]

You can't finish the last zone I hear, but I don't know if you have to finish the story for wqs

[uncut vault]

Theres not much you can test without doing MSQ leveling or side quests, activities and unique world quests unlock via those early renown levels

IE the digging is at dragonscale renown 5 iirc

the world events for valdrakken arent till level 6

[deep pawn]

I'd just mess around with classes and professions if you wanna avoid spoilers

Most dungeons are story light this time around

No killing the Chamberlain for example or halls of ascension

[uncut vault]

Nokhud offensive is an awkward exception to that sadly

very important story beat as a totally optional side quest at the end of the zone lol

[dense plover]

thats the one i know the story of because of datamining

i might just focus on rotations and professions maybe

[dense plover]

maybe ill level through the story just once and AVOID the side quests

so that way I can at least enjoy those on live?

idk

i wish I could do adventure leveling from the get go on beta

[uncut vault]

they may end up opening more stuff next week on Valdrakken, so here's hoping

they had a 70 test server for dragon isles earlier in beta

[dense plover]

fingers crossed

day 1 is likely just going to be me messing around with evoker, druid, and monk

and maybe DH since their tree looks crazy

[ember blaze]

@uncut vaultdid the camera quest ever change? or is it still a beam of light you aim

[uncut vault]

Still the same last week, at least

[rare hemlock]

House of the Dragonflight

[deep pawn]

if there's plot in Nokhud I have 0 context for it

[digital badge]

i have windows 11 22h2 could be this fps spikes due to this system?

[rain cave]

what?

[digital badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPNUjaFcBGw

[rare hemlock]

I noticed it also. MS update 22H2 definitely introduced stutter and spikes, which Nvidia said they are addressing but haven't had time to test. They did up the draw distance quite a bit in Dragonflight. You may want to try stepping View distance down to see if it helps level out the spikes.

[digital badge]

it doesn't matter it doesn't do anything the whiplash gets you anyway

im gonna record another video with 1

[rare hemlock]

Best thing you can do for now is cap your FPS to the lows to level out frametime. I'm on a 5800X+3080Strix and cap mine at 120FPS.

[digital badge]

im using

gsync

[rare hemlock]

Gsync doesn't work great in Fullscreen Windowed. If you have only Fullscreen checked in the NVCP that's Fullscreen exclusive

[digital badge]

https://youtu.be/QPWHZ6ZzfDk watch this video

i have 0 stuttering on retail

[rare hemlock]

Ya I noticed it also in the same area

[digital badge]

something is not working loading textures

[rare hemlock]

You're definitely getting pop-in with object detail at close distance.

[digital badge]

yep

[digital badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF_J8nliNpg this video is worse

[rare hemlock]

I wonder if the config file isn't reflecting a graphics settings change

[crystal pond]

Yeah
With my Windows experience Window's last updates like to mess with files and bios and its cousing conflicts when core interact with files
And instead of proper download like your core trying to do, Windows doing a conflict and your core produce process wrong and its happening like lags

[digital badge]

but retail is working so good

[rare hemlock]

I think I found a temporary solution. Change process priority to High.

[little hound]

Seen the latest Episode? ❤️

[dense plover]

I swear if you spoil an unrelated show I’m this channel

I still haven’t seen it - do not ruin it for me

[little hound]

I won't.

Don't worry xD

I never openly speak about spoilers. Only In PM ❤️

[little hound]

https://tenor.com/view/mala-mishra-jha-pat-head-cute-sparkle-penguin-gif-16770818

[dense plover]

I can never be sure

I DO know it’s generally a bannable offense in this discord

[rare hemlock]

good thing no one spoiled dragons landing on the moon

[rare hemlock]

after longer testing, it seems like the game is building a Shader cache file because the stuttering goes away after a period.

[digital badge]

yep i was thinking about shader cache

but in my case it doesn't go away when it detects a new element stuttering again

[dense plover]

Have you tried completely deleting beta and reinstalling it?

Like not just uninstalling but deleting the underscorebetaunderscore folder

[tropic trail]

is it possible to get the beta ?

[dense plover]

I can’t put the _ without it italicizing

[dense plover]

Sign up and hope you get lucky or try and win a key from streamers

[digital badge]

yes

[digital badge]

i installed with dependency and without it

retail works really fine

[tropic trail]

thanks

can I ask in here questions concerning some classes in the new dlc ?

[digital badge]

no matter whether it is a new area or an old area

makes no sense whatsoever

[errant prairie]

servers went down today? 😮

[digital badge]

yep

[deep pawn]

Oh snap early build

I hope at least

[uncut lintel]

when ur legs dont work like they used to before

[dense plover]

Neato - new wave coming - I’m finally getting in!!!!

[silent urchin]

waves seem to have been on thursdays pretty consistently, rather than with builds

[deep pawn]

peach, any signs of anything on the vendor?

[worn crown]

Which is silly to say the least. Some of us DO enjoy spoilers, there's even research done regarding that subject: https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/spoiler-alert-spoilers-make-you-enjoy-stories-more

[uncut lintel]

i enjoy spoilers

because im impatient

so someone hurry up and release pre patch so i can be evoker spoilt

[silent urchin]

people are gonna be so mad when evoker doesn't release til halfway through prepatch

[uncut lintel]

WHAT

why would it release half way and not on day 1

[tribal sand]

because blizz said so

[uncut lintel]

oh fr?

[tribal sand]

yes

[silent urchin]

if wow.tools is up to date, vendor and vendor 3 have a PTR build that's newer than what's on PTR

[uncut lintel]

so i bought a sub early forn o reason

[tribal sand]

not sure if they release 1 week or 2 weeks into prepatch or even later 😄

[languid yoke]

literally everytime I read a book I read the last chapter first

[tribal sand]

but they said in a blue post the exp buff lasts till evoker is playable and not till the start of prepatch

[languid yoke]

and then I wonder "ok but how do we get there"

[silent urchin]

they haven't said any specifics yet but it sounded like there's going to be multiple events during pre-patch rather than all at once

[uncut lintel]

@languid yoke OMG

UR PFP

ITS SO CUTE WHO DREW IT

[languid yoke]

https://twitter.com/Kuroryushin

is an emote I commissioned don't think it's on her page

[silent urchin]

10.0.0.45832 is vendor 3, beta is currently 10.0.2.45779 and ptr is 10.0.0.45697

[languid yoke]

I'm pretty sure the reasonable assumption is Evoker is playable day 1 of prepatch

there is no reason for that to not be the case

[silent urchin]

although I think beta version is from a client patch on thursday or something, the deployed version was a few builds earlier than that

[deep pawn]

except Blizzard said otherwise.

[languid yoke]

when?

when they said the event would be last 2 weeks?

[silent urchin]

They haven't really specified either way, but the wording they've used has been somewhat ambiguous

[deep pawn]

"Don’t delay. The winds will shift once more when the new dracthyr Evoker becomes playable during the Dragonflight pre-expansion patch, and the experience buff will no longer be available."

During is vague

[deep pawn]

no build

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/are-servers-down/1357662/28

[tribal sand]

[silent urchin]

Makes sense, wasn't really expecting one on a monday anyway

[dense plover]

Boo - probably no new wave then

[glass flicker]

Imagine getting beta now, Peach.

[rare hemlock]

my buddy and I got beta but it just showed up. no invite email

[silent urchin]

Emails tend to come a little later

[deep pawn]

I really want m+

[dense plover]

I know I’m getting access I just need to wait for a wave

[little hound]

I didn't get the mail until after like a day or 2, after my beta was suddenly on my list.

[digital badge]

Still no date for prepatch?

[crystal pond]

1 month or 2 weaks before launch

Aka Late october-early november

[rare hemlock]

it leaked a while back. go off that. Prepatch is 10/25

[digital badge]

k ty

[silent urchin]

While the leak seems like it was confirmed, it was from an internal planning document and potentially subject to change

[cunning fossil]

Not on Monday

[deep pawn]

I'd say a Tuesday build but tomorrow is ow2 day

So I guess Wednesday

10/25 is most likely I'd say but I wouldn't be shocked by a week later

[rain cave]

who pinged

[proper crystal]

Anyone know what the macro language is for dragonriding enabled? Like [flyable],[noflyable],[swimming],etc?

[abstract ether]

I have found zero info on such things. The macro writing window itself needs so much updating it's covered in dust and cobwebs right now

[dense plover]

New build on vendor

New build could be tomorrow

[proper crystal]

I feel like I remember a post about it early on in the alpha cycle, but can't seem to find that now.

[dense plover]

Anyone know if there has been a beta wave since Friday?

[cosmic beacon]

Probably none that included you, knowing blizz

[rain cave]

peach and I get to play beta the traditional way

on live servers

[uncut vault]

a lot of my friends got it last week on thursday, havent seen any since

[deep pawn]

Vendor build was out on Monday last week too

I'm really not sure they wanna push a build on OW2 day

[dense plover]

gotcha

[dense plover]

oh i see - OW2 is tomorrow

yeah they might wait

[deep pawn]

even more completely different teams, but they may want all the press on ow2

[silent urchin]

afaik the server hardware/admin team is relatively universal

Although whether they need to be involved for a regular deployment, I dunno

[rare hemlock]

do these voiceovers get any better? most these people sound like Bob from human resources

[dense plover]

wut?

you do realize that wow has some of the best voice actors come in for these roles right?

[silent urchin]

I think the bit that sounds weird to me is when you walk away from the NPC and it starts playing from inside your head instead

[rare hemlock]

some are fine but there's a lot of really bad voice over in the first zone

lots of silly "Hi I'm Mr. Dragon." I've been playing better narrative games lately so its spoiled me a bit

[ember blaze]

dont look up Aronus voice lines

[ember blaze]

They’ve consistently still held it for Wednesday no?

Past few weeks I remember you guys pointing out a build, but only happening on Wednesday

[deep pawn]

Wed/Thurs most common

Regardless of builds, there are definitely hotfixes or other changes happening behind the scenes

They changed how Echo interacts with the Call of Ysera talent. Call isn't duplicated anymore with the echo

[soft flower]

Has blizzard said anything about allied races this xpac?

I wanna play a gnoll so damm bad

[rain cave]

I think if they're going to do anything else race wise it would be updating the current ones

more heritage armour, maybe an unlockable new thing like the armour/dark ranger and night warrior

because they probably just burned themselves out hard on making dracthyr work as a race

and they wouldn't want a new race to take away that crown

though I do find it funny how people would probably be more excited to play a gnoll or tuskar than the fucking dracthyr

and I say that liking dracthyr a lot

[ember blaze]

doubt it. Dracthyr at least get to be human sometimes. People don't really touch the ugly monster races.

[sullen dawn]

Jaina and Khadgar are amazing, the rest suck

[dense plover]

Chromie?

[sullen dawn]

passable

thrall, baine, any bad guy all sound ass

[dense plover]

The fuck?

[sullen dawn]

jailer was terrible

[dense plover]

You actually shitting on thrall?

[sullen dawn]

sylvanas voice is lame

[dense plover]

That’s the same voice actor since vanilla

[sullen dawn]

i know

[dense plover]

Same with Sylvanas

[sullen dawn]

hes not a voice actor tbh though

so i cant blame him

[dense plover]

Ya know what - have your opinion

It doesn’t make it good

https://tenor.com/view/daniel-greeene-danielgreene-opinion-bad-opinion-gif-18384029

[sullen dawn]

opinions cant be good or bad, particularly in this context

dont be an ass peach

[dense plover]

I’m not

I’m just saying I disagree

[sullen dawn]

i think some of the characters are amazing, but the average one is bad

in a horrible way

[digital badge]

I thought that i detect my issue with DF beta

when i installing beta only download 11 gb

[sullen dawn]

you could just say 'have your opinion', not sure why you had to passively agressively follow that up with 'your opinion is bad'

[silent urchin]

11gb is probably right, it'll be able to get all the stuff up to shadowlands from an existing retail install, so it's just whats new for dragonflight that actually needs downloading

[digital badge]

ah

[rare hemlock]

Ion answered in an interview that there aren't any plans for another allied race at the moment.

[dense plover]

I used a meme

you are looking for a fight where there isn’t one

Grow up

[deep pawn]

They've always said they'd consider an allied race again if it felt right in the story

[rain cave]

I do think that because they make NPC's similarly to player rigs now

they should consider it more as just an off the cuff thing

look at SL for example

they made all the variations of the venthyr, night fae, kyrians

constructed with that same customisation system as players basically

and can take armour in some ways

but that effort is nulled now

because that shit only exists in shadowlands

I think they are being wiser with DF tho

trying to put effort in to make the actual core of the game healtiher, instead of stacking things on top

[worn crown]

A meme is nothing more than an easy way to say what one is thinking but to cover it up with "I'm joking!" 😉

[dense plover]

Or just make a joke

[livid walrus]

this is cute

[uncut lintel]

OH MY GOD

[ionic terrace]

ducc

[deep pawn]

Either OW2 has crappy servers, or Wrath wasn't that popular, haha

[uncut vault]

Compared to OW2? Wrath was never gonna get that big as a rerelease haha

But the servers are being DDOS’d anyways

[cunning fossil]

It's getting DDoS'd

[crystal pond]

Wtf?
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=394461/inspired-by-fire-and-earth

[deep pawn]

it's a trinket

[austere gazelle]

Always confused when seeing the word " Trainee " cause in French this word is a synonym of Sl*t

[dense plover]

Guys I just checked on my account - I finally have beta!

Usually there’s only 2 but now there’s 3!!

Also it’s called wow8!

[glass flicker]

They sure took their sweet time getting to you!

[dense plover]

yep

[cunning fossil]

Dub

Took too long

[dense plover]

for evoker do i do a level up template or just normal?

[abstract ether]

I did normal. I don't even think it lets you use template

[ionic terrace]

you can template evoker but it skips the start zone

i believe

[dense plover]

i didnt template

[ionic terrace]

i know 😛

i see you in forbidden reach on my bnet list haha

[tropic trail]

When is the pre patch releasing ?

[ionic terrace]

No date yet

But soon tm

[tropic trail]

Oh, alright thank you

[dense plover]

uh

is visage form broken?

[silent urchin]

don't think so

[silver copper]

I see you got Beta 😦

[silent urchin]

you get it later, after the starter zone, for some reason

[silver copper]

Geuss Im alone now, betaless

No maidens

[deep pawn]

Lore wise you don't have a visage at first

Neltharion didn't give you one

But you get one to help you be welcomed among mortals

[dense plover]

yeah i got it

its not working

relogging fixed it

[crystal pond]

Its so funny that beta have more bugs then alpha
And bugs that wasnt on alpha but here on beta

Spagetty code

[dense plover]

Computer crashed while customizing UI

Damn you craputer

[dense plover]

i like how the dragonscale npcs get voice acting

this boat intro is great

also fuck - i cant sell anything

[silent urchin]

Yeah that's a bug from the latest build

hopefully fixed soon

I think there's some work arounds to it

[ancient jasper]

@dense plover If you have a Vendor mount you can drag and drop stuff on them without their inventory open to sell

[dense plover]

huh

[ancient jasper]

Slow, but.. Works for now

[dense plover]

i dont - cant copy characters?

or im blind

[ancient jasper]

Which Realm are you on? Think they've disabled Copy on one of them.. Valdrakken I think

Might need to go to the other realm to copy over stuff

[dense plover]

not valdrakken so might be blind

also how is this not bigger news - they changed the icon for cooking!

yep blind

should be able to copy account data i think?

[ancient jasper]

Yep

It should be at the bottom of the Copy Character screen

[dense plover]

so how do i sell stuff? i drag items over the vendor npc?

[ancient jasper]

Yep

[dense plover]

huh - is that new?

[ancient jasper]

Don't think so. I remember doing it back in MoP when something similar happened I believe

[silent urchin]

Careful with copying account data, it overwrites your achievements and can erase your access to stuff like dragonriding

[dense plover]

i dont have dragonriding yet

did lose my vorquin mounts

oh well

yo

fishing journal is cool af

lore about fish AND where to find them

[ancient jasper]

Think there's a vendor somewhere in Stormwind that sells all of the Vorquin mounts.

Or Org depending on your Faction

[dense plover]

makes sense

cant go back to the reach

[deep pawn]

they changed multiple profession icons

Inscription changed too

[glass flicker]

I hope engineering will be good. New goblin glider recipe, pls.

Valdrakken Kite Kit, maybe?

[deep pawn]

they have the "launch in the air" thingy

[ancient jasper]

Looks like the most recent version of Leatrix Plus has managed to, temporarily until Blizzard can, fix the selling issue

[dense plover]

so im just about to engage with the djaradin for the first time - when do i get dragonriding?

[silent urchin]

about halfway through zone one

[dense plover]

oh

ok

[crimson jasper]

hey @dense plover might be late but grats on beta, happy you finally got it^^

[ember blaze]

Yeah but that’s nothing compared to a progression system everything else has

[dense plover]

Fishing doesn’t need a progression system

[ember blaze]

gonna have to disagree with you there

and that just sounds like an unnecessary restriction

skinning for example is just skinning, but it has specializations and you can even make baits to attract animals

so why wouldnt you be able to make fishing nets, catch more fish, and even get better at x.

that's the least i expect for when they revisit the left over professions cause they just focused on main ones

[digital badge]

hello guys

i notice that my stuttering

is caused by sound

but works fine in retail

[dense plover]

because everyone can get fishing (secondary vs primary) and fishing has always been relaxing

[dense plover]

maybe turn the number of sound channels down?

[digital badge]

yep

much better

idk why

[dense plover]

sound card is bad?

[digital badge]

its realtek hd audio

like 90% ppl

[dense plover]

no i mean the physical sound card part of your computer

or it could be that they increased the number of channels in dragonflight

[digital badge]

no its integrated on mainboard

DF has 128 channels

Shadowlands has 64

[dense plover]

so yeah - might just be too much for your computer

[mossy meteor]

realms are down, i believe

[livid walrus]

yep

[ionic terrace]

[mossy meteor]

wishlist:

[ionic terrace]

music

[mossy meteor]

m+, vendor bug fix, more open world content testing

[ionic terrace]

and music

[vagrant oxide]

Vendor bug fix plz

[mossy meteor]

if there's anything left

yes music too

[vagrant oxide]

So realms gonna be down all day today i would guess.

[mossy meteor]

probably not

[vagrant oxide]

Since when are they down?

[mossy meteor]

they just went down

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