beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

Though I am curious why we still don’t have music

[silent urchin]

It's not really important for testing. There's no surprises in the music system, really.

[dense plover]

Well - there have been bugs but they’re usually system stuff and nothing has changed

So yeah they’re just going to get those done and then implement them

The only thing to test is locations that are missing music

That one is one of my most frequent reports

I’m hoping we get the rest of the Druid changes finally

I want them to change that starfall talent or get rid of it

It’s terrible and is blocking oneths clear vision which while kinda trash is very fun

And yeah I’m waiting on login screen because the static image we have doesn’t have any of the effects or moving dragons that are likely going to be there

I’m waiting for the moving water, shiny effects and big dragons flying around. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Alexstrasza landing as the login screen

Similar to Deathwing or Sindragosa

[obtuse pewter]

any predictions on which classes will be good(avoiding saying best)

i kind of wanna try druid but i have no info wether the druid changes are looking good or not

specifically feral

[deep pawn]

all of them 😄

[obtuse pewter]

oh maybe dragonflight will be like wrath in terms of how good every class was back then

[silent urchin]

afaik most of them feel pretty good cause tons of the borrowed power stuff from shadowlands is now baseline in the talent tree

I can only speak to blood dk but even with terrible gear they still feel fine to play, without any of the typical "I have no haste or resources" stuff that shows up at the start of expansions

[obtuse pewter]

awesome, good to know. 😄

[ember blaze]

well if you primarily raid, warlock will never not be good

put mage up there as well

[obtuse pewter]

i think i'm going to level warrior, druid, evoker, rogue and priest

so im safe i think

[uncut vault]

In terms of implementation it is

Proper order in cutscenes and the like

9.2.5 had the issue of the nelf cutscene just not having its music for the first few hours lol

[dense plover]

Yeah - that’s the stuff I’m talking about regarding music bugs - it’s always missing music

Especially caves

Caves often don’t get tagged properly and they’re either supposed to have the same zone music or a cave specific set of music

[obtuse pewter]

how long will ptr be down?

or maybe the beta is over

[dense plover]

Until a build comes out

[dense plover]

It isn’t

[obtuse pewter]

ah

[dense plover]

They’re going to be doing M+ and raid testing on beta soon

They’re probably going to test prepatch on ptr soonish

[obtuse pewter]

pre-patch is what i have access to

[dense plover]

But build could come anytime in the next 6 or so hours

[obtuse pewter]

ah good to know

[dense plover]

Or tomorrow if stuff doesn’t work

[silent urchin]

It's generally at least 2-3 hours after servers come down

[obtuse pewter]

is it possible to cheat levels or anything fancy in ptr?

[dense plover]

No

[obtuse pewter]

dang

[dense plover]

You can copy your character from live

[obtuse pewter]

oh haha, i have a new account

so im better off using extra races

[dense plover]

Ptr is specifically for people already playing who are at max level on live

They regularly wipe ptr

Also ptr isn’t fully playable - lots of content is randomly disabled or purposefully nonfunctional to force focus testing

[ionic terrace]

I gotta say, Evoker in Torghast is fun as heck

zoom

[dense plover]

Too bad torghast type stuff doesn’t appear to be getting used going forward

[uncut lintel]

o-o

[dense plover]

I was hoping they would evolve on it for DF

[uncut lintel]

no

[ionic terrace]

It kinda is with the colbat assembly thingy

[dense plover]

Not for progression or legendaries or something

[ionic terrace]

the powers, anyway

[uncut lintel]

torghast is stupid < . <

[dense plover]

I more just like the concept of random dungeon thing with fun powers

[ionic terrace]

yeah

[uncut lintel]

ehh

maybe if they made the rewards worth it

a dragon themed torghast tho that isnt depressing and dark

[ionic terrace]

could've easily been bronze themed

[dense plover]

I’m kinda hoping you can use torghast to level 10-60 with chromie time

[ionic terrace]

perhaps

[uncut lintel]

k that would be cool

like a different type of dragonflightcolor

for each chamber

[dense plover]

Torghast leveling was my favorite part of SLs alpha

[ionic terrace]

hopefully they fix CT with this build + add SL

[uncut lintel]

how

all u do is run same stuff over and over

[dense plover]

It gave XP when it was first enabled

And it was infinite

It wasn’t dedicated wings

So you got stronger and stronger

[uncut lintel]

oh what

then they changed it

?

oof

[dense plover]

And could get from like 60-63 (initia level cap) in like 2-3 hours

Yeah - I understand some of why they changed it

Eventually you became a god and couldn’t be killed

But I still like the idea of being able to run torghast and every level you complete gives XP

Imagine being able to level 10 levels using jailers gauntlet or something and getting a currency you could use to buy gear tokens that when used give you leveling gear appropriate to your level

It could be fun if they let you do threads torghast infinitely from 10-60

But I bet they won’t since current threads torghast is just a shitty daily

[uncut lintel]

blizz hates fun

[dense plover]

It’s definitely more complicated than that

I sorta understand not wanting to have a “best” leveling method

[uncut lintel]

but

why

why do they careso much for leveling if its not 60-70 aka max

[dense plover]

Right now WoD with flight is still the best - I just want another option that takes a similar amount of time but is less repetitive

Well they might change it now

Remember, these torghast changes were specifically about max level and 50-60 which was current content

It isn’t current anymore and deserves to have an XP option

[uncut lintel]

no i dont remember i refuse to touch torghast other than gauntlet practice

[ionic terrace]

Btw I think SL chromie time simply isn't in yet

[uncut lintel]

why even add it in, when WoD chromie is faster

[dense plover]

Initial strings are in, but yeah it’s not quite implemented

I’m hopeful that torghast leveling will be an option

[ionic terrace]

i'll check it again in the next build

they added the assets to the files with the last one

[dense plover]

Yeah they added strings too, it just didn’t work yet

[ionic terrace]

but yeah even with copying a CT on character, the zones are still 50+

[dense plover]

Yeah it’s not implemented yet

It’s WIP

Same with like the weird ilvl scaling going on

This is their first time adding a new expac to chromie time

Once they figure this out, it’ll be much smoother going forward

I do hope DF gets some sort of threads of fate

^fixed

[austere gazelle]

we don't even have the Ysera part yet. it probably will be something for later

There are some weird dragonriding bugs. I think WQ are not really fully done yet ( some WQ gave me loots I can have in Heroic dungeon ? ). I also have WQ popping up in an area full of Elite I can't go in atm

[silent urchin]

the best dragonriding one is where you don't land properly and just start sliding backwards faster and faster

[austere gazelle]

yeah ! I got this one it was insane

[silent urchin]

Also if you dismount while casting timelock it crashes the game

[austere gazelle]

Game can also crash randomly when you're flying too <_<

annoying as hell

[deep pawn]

beta still up, but I'm thinking they don't do ptr and beta same day

[dense plover]

Probably beta tomorrow

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-dog-gif-25727185

[dense plover]

Good thing is ptr has class changes

And that’s what I’m most excited for right now

[deep pawn]

beta may have more since it was pushed later

[ionic terrace]

Beta shutdown inc

[deep pawn]

you sure?

[ionic terrace]

yes

[deep pawn]

valdrakken didn't get shut down yet

[ionic terrace]

prob soon

but the other two did

i assume valdrakken is kinda separate or something

[deep pawn]

YAY BETA BUILD

yeah, it doesn't share anything like collections with the other two realms

[ionic terrace]

prob be ptr first

praying for you peachy

[deep pawn]

I imagine valdrakken will come down soon since I can't see them keeping it an old build

[uncut vault]

I think it still could eventually

Torghast itself is just not the evergreen implementation the game needs haha

it's very intrinsically tied to Shadowlands, in mechanics, story, and rewards

[deep pawn]

hmm, other realms are up but offline

maybe they forgot about valdrakken

[ionic terrace]

ptr updating

still SL muusic

[uncut lintel]

ill be so happy when we canfinally

forget SL

no more depressing dark zones

[ember blaze]

where datamining 😠

[uncut lintel]

no more boring music

[ember blaze]

real

everything felt so boring

[uncut lintel]

i liked ZM and korthia but das it

[ionic terrace]

they added new splash screens but PH still

looks like lotsof ui work

[dense plover]

No moving dragons? Seems a bit boring for a login screen

[silent urchin]

probably gonna be some fly past occasionally

[dense plover]

Maybe - initial legion login had no entities either

Waiting for the build to upload on wow.tools so I can check the db2s

Also waiting on class changes

[deep pawn]

should be a ptr notes post soon

there we go

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/dragonflight-pre-expansion-ptr-development-notes-1330092

they're updated but not sure with what

ah, gotta go to the post and scroll down

[silent urchin]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-pre-expansion-ptr-development-notes/1330092/5

seems like balance changes are in

as in, druid balance tree

not class balancing

[dense plover]

Yeah mostly ability renaming

And the Druid stuff still blocks off a bunch of talents behind that terrible starfall talent unless they changed the connections

Monk brewmaster has a similar issue with some connections

Still seems like no grid snapping

Sorta defeats the purpose of a grid

I’m getting a bit worried that they aren’t planning to even add snap to grid

[crystal pond]

Yall does login screen have music?

Ah nvm I see

[ionic terrace]

old music still yeah

[dense plover]

Yeah no music this build

[ionic terrace]

lmao they removed evoker from the creation screen

[silent urchin]

well it probably shouldn't show if you don't have the expansion?

Or do they show but are greyed out with a "give us money" tooltip

I've never actually seen that myself

[crystal pond]

Its a ptr still

[ionic terrace]

it's just gone

[crystal pond]

Deleted

[uncut vault]

Trying to find the color version

[silent urchin]

is that part of the renown UI?

[uncut vault]

Evoker class sigil

[silent urchin]

Ahh

[pulsar minnow]

That’s one badass class crest

[uncut vault]

Dragonriding got some new UI elements

[silent urchin]

neat

better than the borrowed torghast crystals

[crystal pond]

This looks seek

[silent urchin]

hopefully they've removed the clicking of vigor crystals activating every time you mount

[uncut vault]

spoilers for the real reason we're heading to the dragon isles

[ionic terrace]

CT working but no SL yet

[silent urchin]

that's not really a spoiler

[ionic terrace]

hm actually maybe not... still only to 50?

[crystal pond]

Well
We did know this sinse alpha of ws comes out

[silent urchin]

It's just referring to the expedition, one of the major factions of dragonflight

[ionic terrace]

i wonder if we won't be able to do 10-60 in prepatch

[silent urchin]

not that other major factions are gonna show up in dragon isles

[uncut vault]

read the lettering closely 😛

[silent urchin]

not sure what I'm missing

[crystal pond]

Yall
You know what a very weird thing is?
We have dragon isle
Titan structures
Azeroth elementals caboom
And there still no magni

[craggy berry]

GREETINGS HERO

[crystal pond]

HEAL SOME WOOONS

[ionic terrace]

[craggy berry]

He is going to be Geppetto and use the Jailer as his Pinocchio. We are then going to have to get things to fix him and make him a REAL boss.

[silent urchin]

what's that achievement?

[ionic terrace]

500 mounts

[ivory meadow]

oh yeah

[crystal pond]

Oh they updated it again

[ivory meadow]

noticing some ui stuff

[crystal pond]

I wonder what story we gonna have at launch
Because... Its a lot of freaking content

[harsh wedge]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-ptr-dev-notes-ui-updates-rare-silver-dragon-removed-328963?webhook

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/AtBryxE.png dungeon teleports are back from the start

[harsh wedge]

That seems like a weird change

[silent urchin]

Also for the old dungeons being used for M+

[harsh wedge]

I'm certain there will be addons to bring back the silver dragon on rares though

[silent urchin]

Augment runes are back too

https://i.imgur.com/vgiDPQK.png too soon

Seems to be a number of new dragon mounts that change depending on your location

maybe dragonriding ones that aren't locked to dragon isles

[signal bone]

snap ui functionality yet?

[zealous basalt]

they got rid of the evoker icon

[ivory meadow]

did they make icons more clear?

because i'm definitely noticing the icons having more resolution compared to before.

[uncut vault]

https://i.gyazo.com/3860a26e57e8928fca4112d3057cbb5a.mp4

[harsh wedge]

Neat effect

[ivory meadow]

yeah

[zealous basalt]

tabs kinda changed too

[ivory meadow]

oh

OH

[zealous basalt]

dragon isles now showing on ptr map

i dont like how its spaced

[uncut lintel]

i dont like them removing silver dragon

same person who made SL is coming up with these small ideas

stop

[deep pawn]

talents shimmer when unlocked too

the borders

[ancient jasper]

It's kinda dumb that AddOn devs have to make up for stupid changes like removing the Silver Dragon border

[sonic flame]

guys wtf dragonflight already on ptr?

[deep pawn]

So there was bear changes on ptr they didn't have any notes for

I'm guessing they get a blue post tomorrow or friday

[uncut lintel]

true

no one asked for silverdragon to be removed so why even think of this its just gonna cause confusion

[ivory meadow]

I can't apply my paladin talents?

[dense plover]

The changes to ottuk are very good

[ancient jasper]

Why did they decide Havoc's Interrupt needed 2 separate Talents to get back to its original functionality? Bleh

[maiden halo]

https://i.gyazo.com/80f3562a6c17061f1b9b021040662b94.png https://i.gyazo.com/50f147fc05828dec5d829ae844f24dde.png 2nd boss in temple removed from mythic temple of the jade serpent on the PTR In the journal

[harsh wedge]

that's the boss that changes randomly ?

[maiden halo]

yeah, RP boss with 3 different bosses

[ionic terrace]

get rekt stonestep

most likely because of the rng

[harsh wedge]

but

opera in karazhan ?

[ionic terrace]

true

well no

that's the same for the whole week

this one changed every time

[harsh wedge]

you can just change it to be for the whole week instead of gutting a boss

[ionic terrace]

well yeah

😛

idk

[harsh wedge]

but i guess they needed another 30 minutes dungeon ?

[ionic terrace]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense plover]

i found a ptr addon that adds snap to grid

im gonna see if it works

yeah my guess for stonestep is its TOO random

and also some of the mechanics are fucking awful for a normal dungeon

[uncut vault]

I can't imagine it'll be scrapped entirely

the way to that area is the majority of the dungeon's trash haha

[harsh wedge]

true it is

without that you have, what, 4 water elementals, and then 4 packs of sha ?

[silent urchin]

Might just be a journal bug for the moment

pathing is weird if you only need to do one side

or at least very simplified

[deep pawn]

https://twitter.com/equinoxmonk/status/1572723860885184512/photo/1

Equinoxmonk (@equinoxmonk)

Entire pool of dungeons for this xpac

Twitter · Sep 21, 2022, 11:06 PM

seems like a solid list

[silent urchin]

Isn't that just all of them?

At least anything that didn't already have that spell

[harsh wedge]

that seems like it is all of them

i guess they just added keystone possibility to every dungeon since mop

[deep pawn]

yeah, that list doesn't have any legion, which they wouldn't avoid any legion ones in future seasons right?

[harsh wedge]

It doesn't have any legion maybe because it already exists ?

since legion had m+

[uncut vault]

Yeah theyre already coded for testing

[harsh wedge]

Easier to just had all the possibility at once for them I suppose

[deep pawn]

I hope we get to vote on some maybe

I want Scarlet Halls

[dense plover]

UBS being an option is nice

i hope they dont do everbloom

everyone will insist on that shitty skip

i fucking hate that skip

[ember blaze]

does that confirm m+ this week

[silent urchin]

Didn't they remove the skip near the end of wod?

[deep pawn]

no idea

we'll have to see what the beta notes say

[dense plover]

omg

roll isnt capped at 2 charges

best change

this fucking addon man - it does what the game should!

it adds x and y and grid snap!

they need to make this stuff built in

oh

[gloomy tangle]

100%

[dense plover]

the vorquin are the racial mount

cool

[gloomy tangle]

Why go through all that effort and not have snap and x/y

[dense plover]

@uncut vault

[dense plover]

no fucking clue - its unusuable without those things

[uncut vault]

Hmm?

[dense plover]

vorquin mount details

you were asking about them a while ago

[uncut vault]

Oh yeah, I saw them on the PTR haha

[dense plover]

damnit - why wont they get rid of stellar drift?

its such a terrible talent

[sonic flame]

for how long exactly has the ptr been updated to dragonflight prepatch?

it's been weeks?

[cerulean lava]

The new Login screen already have a new music?

or its the shadowlands one atm

[silent urchin]

beta patch on launcher now

this is 45698, so one different

[deep pawn]

beta up

[silent urchin]

oooh dragonriding talents changed slightly

there's a new one at the start that increases surge effectiveness at low speed

hmm

I don't have enough points for all of them anymore

Ah there's new glyphs too

weekly down to 2k rep instead of 3k

[dense plover]

huh

a bunch of new druid talents datamined

i hope this means theyll replace some of the shit ones

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/ggYUOPa.png new vigor UI in action

[dense plover]

yo

thats fucking sick

does the riding talent ui have art?

[silent urchin]

not yet

https://i.imgur.com/LVshyjS.png here's the new talent (afaik the only difference is this talent and some point costs being more)

[dense plover]

darn

[silent urchin]

there are 8 more points required for a total of 48

[dense plover]

still no way to brake, yeah?

[ionic terrace]

oh thank god

[dense plover]

Vault Description: Within the Titan prison, Razsageth performs a foul ritual to free her siblings. Unless the Primalist forces can be broken, all realms will be condemned to the Incarnates' reign of fire and blood.

[silent urchin]

all the new glyphs seem pretty easy to get, and also on the main quest path

so I think they're intended to help people out who don't seek them instead of doing quests

[silent urchin]

the first is a literal freebie at the place you learn dragonriding

[dense plover]

we got the LFR wing names

The Primal Bulwark, The Grim Summoner, and The Fury of the Storm

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/kXYYeOR.png

[dense plover]

please feedback

plz dont disappoint

it looks good

if stellar drift still exists

it no longer blocks everything

[silent urchin]

got all the new glyphs, they're all very easy to spot like 30ft above paths you almost certainly use during the main questline

so I guess intended to help people out who don't immediately go get them all

oh boy there's a pvp weekly in valdrakken and it gives anima

[ember blaze]

So no m+ and just professions

[silent urchin]

load screen features sexy wrathion (and some other dragons)

https://i.imgur.com/XWyntkg.jpeg

[deep pawn]

that is Merithra right?

[silent urchin]

you mean the green dragon?

[pulsar minnow]

No that’s Ysera.

[silent urchin]

looks very like ysera to me but I don't really know

[crystal pond]

Its ysera ye

Its confirmed shes coming back

Thanks for datamined stuff

[opaque pewter]

It seems too soon

[uncut lintel]

the audaucity to p;ut wrathion

in the back

wtf

[rain cave]

it IS too soon

[rain cave]

I mean he's the least "aspect" of anyone in the picture

[uncut lintel]

yet hes the most attractive one

[rain cave]

male? sure

[uncut lintel]

no just in general

in that whole pic

[rain cave]

meh

subjective

[crystal pond]

Bro Alex here is unfinished

Look at her tights

[dense plover]

arent her legs bare?

yeah the part in the picture is right

it looks perfect

[uncut vault]

The issue I think is more that she has armor on one side, but not on the other

despite it being symmetrical in her actual model

[silent urchin]

I think it's supposed to be symmetrical, but whatever they took it from had very strong red lighting on that side so it looks fairly pink

[crystal pond]

Yeah that

[pulsar minnow]

Well Wrathion and Alexstrasza were pulled from two separate art pieces and just pasted into the loading screen

[crystal pond]

I hope they dont gonna make sabellian evil
This art is clear "wrathion going to be new Black Aspect or ambassador"

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t think Sabellian is going to be evil but I do think there’s a chance he could die

[uncut vault]

After Shadowlands, I've learned to not put much stock into the loading art beyond marketing/vibes lol

what with, yknow, this poor guy

[silent urchin]

This is basically what I meant, the lighting looks a lot more natural here cause it fits with the rest of the scene. They've been doing this for at least a few expansions where they're from different sources/angles so it can look a bit odd

[crystal pond]

Well ysera is confirmed so

Lets just speculate a bit

[silent urchin]

ugh my @ player macros are still bugged

works once then still just brings up the targeting circle anyway

[dense plover]

why does everything with a quest have this ugly af outline?

oh its the new outline mode

i hate it

shadowlands is still unavailable

[lean yew]

new class confirmed

adventurer

[upper pasture]

2223 int? 👀 that’s a lot no? Lol

[lean yew]

yeah were at ridiculous stat levels again

prob will be 10k+ main stat by the end easily

[kindred wren]

Legion stats?

[deep pawn]

Adventurer is what you start out as in exile island

[dense plover]

yeah its bugged that its showing on stuff

i think its specifically because they added a new class

and the check for the display is probably a specific ID and that id is probably shared with adventurer now when it should be blank

[silent urchin]

this build is really crash happy

[dense plover]

beta?

[silent urchin]

Yeah

[dense plover]

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[deep pawn]

So my guess about the Edit mode bug is if it was a character you set up a UI on.

Since my chars that have edit can't access the layout I saved on the char that can't access edit

okay so deleted WTF folder, addon button popped up, details was marked "insecure"

but it didn't fix the edit mode bug

[dense plover]

bug?

[deep pawn]

some chars can't access edit mode

it's very hit and miss

[dense plover]

i found a very niche bug on ptr - level 10 characters cant see their talents after picking a spec until they reload their UI

[deep pawn]

my guess it was characters who had adjusted and saved a layout in a previous build

[dense plover]

so when you first unlock specialization, you need to reload after or you cant choose your first talent

[dense plover]

that would make sense

do new characters work fine?

[deep pawn]

hell, any of my characters that I just selected the saved layout are fine

[dense plover]

if thats the case, it probably wont be fixed since thats not a bug that should ever occur in release

[deep pawn]

just the one that made the layout

[silent urchin]

I only have one char and it was fine, although all my saved layouts had been cleared

[deep pawn]

the saved layout is also not available on the alts

[deep pawn]

well that messes up my theory, rip

[dense plover]

yeah i think since they are still adding bits, saved layouts keep breaking

[deep pawn]

I may have to remake my evoker

[uncut vault]

Yeah I made a thread about it a while back

very much not a fan at all, it's horridly ugly and immersion-breaking

[dense plover]

its terrible

[deep pawn]

I turned off outline mode before

can we still turn it off?

[cunning fossil]

When Clip to Border

[maiden mountain]

any1 got beta opt in picked up recently?

[turbid imp]

really like the new mount :3

[dense plover]

you can turn it off, but unfortunately it disables all of the other stuff

the quest outline is the base option

it sucks

[deep pawn]

I hate how outlines look in general

I felt it removed immersion in BFA

I can handle the sparkles though

[dense plover]

oh i dont mind the quest outlines

i just hate the new yellow outline

its garish

[deep pawn]

I made my brain hurt thinking of the implications of Murozond having a fixed death in time but other infinites saying timelines are converging where he's the only aspect. I suppose that was technically true in the End Times and perhaps the Infinites are still working towards making the Hour of Twilight pass?

[dense plover]

yes

thats almost definitely the case

[deep pawn]

Murozond is either end boss but as he escapes he opens the way for the void, or he's mid expansion and last tier is void

They're playing around adding void mobs to some parts of the isles but removed them later

I do really like the idea of fighting a full strength Murozond but he escapes wounded where the 5 man party is able to defeat him with the help of the hour glass.

[dense plover]

thats a different end time

[deep pawn]

There'd be some delicious irony if the infinite aspect is killed almost instantly after he escapes.

[dense plover]

the end time dungeon was ONE possibility

it didnt happen because we killed deathwing and prevented the hour of twilight

[deep pawn]

But Murozonds death in that possibility is locked

[dense plover]

no

in that timeline he is dead

but since it never happened, it doesnt matter

[deep pawn]

That's not how Nozdormu made it sound. Like why would he say he'd turn and those 5 would kill him in if he knew the strong possibility that particular end time wouldn't happen

[dense plover]

it wasnt a strong possibility at the time

that occurs before we beat deathwing in the story

"This first instance building up to the fight with the Worldbreaker takes adventurers into one of the many possible futures of Azeroth, revealing what will transpire if Deathwing is not stopped: the Hour of Twilight."

"Murozond tried to ensure the End Time would come to be because he believed that this potential future where the Hour of Twilight successfully happens would still make for a much better future than the "true End Time" that he had witnessed."

[deep pawn]

We already know bronze and infinite can travel to alternate timelines. Like the timeline Deathwing wins still exists as a thread along the rope of our main timeline

[dense plover]

IE the end time we fight him in - ISNT the true end time

its the easier one

the true end time is much worse

thats the one that we are heading towards

[deep pawn]

Like it is 100% possible that Murozond escapes to that thread cause he knows he has to

Even if he's trying to avoid his death

[dense plover]

did you read the quote i pulled?

"The "End Time," I once called this place. I had not seen, by then; I did not know. You hope to... what? Stop me, here? Change the fate I worked so tirelessly to weave?
You crawl unwitting, like a blind, writhing worm, towards endless madness and despair. I have witnessed the true End Time. This? This is a blessing you simply cannot comprehend. - Murozond"

[deep pawn]

And what did Nozdormu say after?

This is one of those things where since it's in our personal timeline past, it's one of those things that will happen or else it breaks things worse.

[dense plover]

" "At last it has come to pass. The moment of my demise. The loop is closed. My future self will cause no more harm.
Still, in the future, I will... fall to madness. And you, heroes... will vanquish me. The cycle will repeat. So it goes.
What matters is that Azeroth did not fall; that humanity survived to live another day.
All that matters... is this moment.""

[dense plover]

no

its literally listed in the dungeon as a "potential future"

it does NOT happen

we killed deathwing

it literally cant happen

it was a FALSE end time

the true end time hasnt happened yet

thats the danger going forward

[deep pawn]

Except that thread still is there. It's half of what the Infinites do!

[dense plover]

murozond in that timeline is dead

and literally says that if the timeline there DOESNT happen, we will have to face him in the true end time

[deep pawn]

That is not what was said there. Or at least not how I would interpret it at all

[dense plover]

its literally stated

[deep pawn]

Bronze dragons are aware of many concurrent possibilities and pasts all at once.

[dense plover]

like - literally

how much clearer can this be? You crawl unwitting, like a blind, writhing worm, towards endless madness and despair. I have witnessed the true End Time. This? This is a blessing you simply cannot comprehend.

THIS IS A BLESSING YOU CANT COMPREHEND

THIS IS NOT THE TRUE END TIME

nozdormu even says before you do the dungeon that this is the better outcome

but that outcome CANT happen

because again, deathwing was killed over the maelstrom

not northrend

i dont see why this isnt clear for you

murozond hasnt been born yet, we havent seen the true end time

theres a whole murozond story to play out here

[deep pawn]

Yes, and I'm saying he can still freaking die there cause that's what he can do. He can go to that thread if he wants. How else would bronze dragons constantly be aware of the multitude of timelines where Garrosh was a good guy

[dense plover]

and again - with all of the titan machinery on the dragon isles, i think some old god shenanigans are inevitable

[deep pawn]

Nozdormu said his time loop was finished there and he's always known how he was going to die.

[dense plover]

we will see

i dont think thats what will happen

[deep pawn]

The entire implication of that dungeon is just adding on to the fact we know he's dying, and hell could have already seen him die except for Evokers and Demon Hunters but his betrayal and the creation of the infinite is to come.

If he doesn't die in that moment then I'd figure he'd be a lot less morose about it since Aman thul gave him a vision of his death

"oh this wasn't it, so this timeline must not happen"

We kick Murozonds butt in the dragon isles and he escapes to the place he smugly feels most correct about to hide/knows he has to end up eventually

Cause if he somehow beats us there, then the hour of twilight does happen

Time travel is a can of worms but blizzard opened that long ago

I personally feel having Murozond still die to a 5 man party in the past is a fitting end to his attempts to rewrite time. A final indignity if you will. A death he knows the champion of Azeroth was aware of for years now.

[livid walrus]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-ptr-dev-notes-ui-updates-rare-silver-dragon-removed-328963 F

[ember blaze]

@uncut lintel you can turn into this

[austere gazelle]

I agree with @dense plover here. in DF chromie says that they thought the infinite had been culled by the Bronze, but if one remains, they didn't do the job properly. And one is indeed remaining and is trying to temper with the bronze Oathstones. Chromie add that if this infinite suceed, it could be used to remake all the timeline and even bring back Murozond.
Moreover, Nozdormu is acting really shady in this expack, almost... like if he's powerless, cold or uncertain. He keep saying that his vision of the future is clouded, and I think he is uncertain about the future right now. Either it's because he no longer have his Aspect power ( likely ) or because his demise is soon and the timeline are on the verge of becoming completely messed up

[mossy meteor]

Murozond is Kang the Conqueror

[austere gazelle]

Chromie also add that the Murozond we killed is one of the many possibilities , not the definitive one

[mossy meteor]

[austere gazelle]

it's fairly possible. If there is several timeline with Murozond, there are several Murozond.

But unlikely at this stage since the event of Uldaman states that the timeline are converging and this will be the event of the birth of Murozond

[rose escarp]

I guess the real question is: Which death did Nozdormu see, when he was shown his own death? If it was the one we saw at the End Time dungeon, then it's pretty weird... depending on how vague it was.

[glass flicker]

Getting Murozond as a villain again possibly means that our Nazdormu is the strongest there is. If it's our Nazdormu that turns into Murozond.

We were weaker in End Time, after all.

[rose escarp]

I'd certainly love to get some proper Nozdormu stuff in Dragonlight. Would be neat with an update to Caverns of Time, somehow. Loved how that place used to evolve back in the days.

[glass flicker]

I agree, Caverns of Time needs to be brought up to HD.

I can even see it as a raid.

We follow Murozond through different timelines, with every room being a different point in time. And we end up at the Bronze Dragonshrine, where another Nazdormu comes to help.

Kind of like Emerald Nightmare, with its split rooms design. Except Murozond flees every time.

It could even be the one boss raid I've been jabbering out. Where it's more than one fight, but it's the same boss over and over with new mechanics.

[tropic trail]

is there any speculation on when we'll get to test shadowlands chromie time on beta?

[crystal pond]

Karen Baby
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/quest=70743/precious-baby

[silent urchin]

Yeah. It's quite the baby.

[glass flicker]

This monk set is an owl.

[dense plover]

Hunter insect post reminded me of how many cool new creature models are coming with DF. The fact that it isn’t just a bunch of recolors is great

Even if some of them reuse skeletons they’ve been overusing lately (hornswoggle is great but they’re doing a big frog in every expac now)

I like big frogs but it feels a bit overkill

Oh, did anyone bother to check if they ruined old furbolgs or if the new model is only for DF?

[uncut lintel]

HOW

HOW

TOBI

[cosmic beacon]

The elite sets are so nice

Looking forward to spamming the life out of rated to get them

[uncut lintel]

@cosmic beacon wheres the druid and evoker pvp elite sets

i wanna see those

cant find anyone with beta and id ont have beta

[deep pawn]

The elite sets are firey red

[uncut lintel]

yea but i wanna see the whole thing

[deep pawn]

I don't think evoker is in yet

[uncut lintel]

thats bs

why add class if u not adding set >: (

wanna see druid atleast then

[cosmic beacon]

Druid set is banging

I really like it on nelf

[uncut lintel]

too bd i cant see it

[cosmic beacon]

Tho the sets aren’t robes besides pvp and mythic tho I assume there are robes for the other difficulties

Hopefully

[uncut lintel]

s pic

post

[cosmic beacon]

I’m at work

[uncut lintel]

no ur on discord

[cosmic beacon]

Oh wait

Red is elite

Other is mythic

[uncut lintel]

OHHH I LIK THE WHITE ONE

[cosmic beacon]

This is lowest settings

So looks a lot better

[uncut lintel]

which class is that

[cosmic beacon]

Druid

The mage sets

[uncut lintel]

thats

[cosmic beacon]

And priest

Are amazing

[uncut lintel]

wait

those r

elite pvp?

im ean the red one

[cosmic beacon]

The red one is

That’s from 1800

[uncut lintel]

how did u find thse

[cosmic beacon]

Priest elite set

Mage

[uncut lintel]

cuz friends lied and said they dont exist

[cosmic beacon]

I have beta

So I can see them in the sets tab

[uncut lintel]

@cosmic beacon if i move to EU u teach me how to pvp

[cosmic beacon]

Some elite sets aren’t showing which is madge

[cosmic beacon]

[uncut lintel]

cope

deez

[uncut lintel]

blizard game

[cosmic beacon]

We can’t see the elite dk set yet

The mythic set is fire tho

[uncut lintel]

i bet they just recolor it all red

for eit

[willow raptor]

Why are they nerfing professions

They had a good idea, it was fine, now it's getting kneecapped for no reason

[uncut lintel]

bcuz same reason to remove silver dragon icon

to be jerks

[crystal pond]

I hope this was just a mistake and they experimenting on some stuff
And at launch everything will be ok

[crimson jasper]

@dense plover tell me you got beta this wave

[gloomy tangle]

Was there another wave?

[crimson jasper]

must have been cause I have beta now lol

[uncut lintel]

yea and 2 ppl ik got beta

too

[dense plover]

I’ll check

Nope

Of course not

[crimson jasper]

oooof

sorry man

I gotta go to work but already reported 2 bugs

weekend gonna be bughunt fest

we'll cover for you until you get in

[dense plover]

I don’t think I’m going to at this point

[gloomy tangle]

Shuja - did you happen to change/reset your battle.net password recently?

I saw a few posts saying after people did that they received a beta invite, but I'm wondering if it was just coincidence

[crimson jasper]

nope not really

[gloomy tangle]

k thanks

[crimson jasper]

although I will do so now cause it is actually about time I do it again

and changed

[livid walrus]

look who i found ! 😮

[glass flicker]

He looks straight outta Ardenweald with that shade of blue.

[livid walrus]

many hourglasses

one toy

[deep pawn]

what did they do to "kneecap" professions?

[ember blaze]

@uncut lintelyou can make a cauldron and clicking it gives you potions and whoever else clicks it

i only used one and i got turned into that cat

so i assume theres more forms

[dense plover]

What?

[upper pasture]

Honestly it’s probably someone just talking nonsense and doesn’t like change.

[dense plover]

What changed though?

[upper pasture]

i don't think anything changed. i think they are crying about the changes from pre DF to DF and how prof are being handled moving forward

which to me is a major improvement

[dense plover]

Oh I see

They changed some item levels

Whatever - still seems good to me

[deep pawn]

sounds like they plan on reducing the raid too

I like crafting but this system is just going to be insane how much mats you need to progress

[silent urchin]

Right now it's definitely.. a lot

it's hard to tell cause some bits still aren't in

but in general artisans mettle is very limited and gatekeeps basically any worthwhile craft

you get 5 each time you gain a knowledge, which seems pretty limited in general

or like 50 off a weekly

and some of the higher level crafts need as much as 400

let alone like an entire fucking stack worth of ore and elemental goop

And if you actually want raid quality gear it seems to require a raid drop

[deep pawn]

392 is raid quality roughly haha

there's no way you're intended to farm 1000s upon 1000s of mats to get from 50 to 100

if you are, well I ain't crafting anything, I'll be skinning, mining, and herbalism on everything

[silent urchin]

afaik you don't really need more than about 50 to craft stuff

although 50 extra skill is probably an extra quality level on the result

[dense plover]

Pretty sure there are profession WQs and also work orders

I think we are missing a piece of the picture here

[silent urchin]

There are weeklies, although those have mostly been bugged, they give like 3 knowledge

[dense plover]

And you definitely don’t need that extra 50. Endgame crafting is balanced around you having 50-ish at expac start

[silent urchin]

work orders are the biggest bit that's not working yet

[deep pawn]

at 50 you may make heroic dungeon or mythic unless you get really lucky

the better quality armors are all tied to specializaiton

[dense plover]

You can always recraft when you get higher skill

But yeah ofc you need specializations - that’s the point

That way work orders have a use because some people can do stuff even you can’t within the same profession

Also means you can have different people within a guild be the guild crafters and have the same profession

[deep pawn]

No I mean the recipes that MAKE anything above m0 gear are learned one at a time and it'll take weeks

And yeah, it's to encourage work orders but it is just eh...

scribes for example have to either choose between weapons, runes(basically weapon oils) and darkmoon trinkets, or efficiency to start, and that isn't a fun choice haha

[silent urchin]

Yeah blacksmith is similar. It's separated into armour/weapons/other (profession stuff and consumables)/general efficiency

[deep pawn]

given you're time gated on recipes, efficiency is likely gonna be last

[silent urchin]

you might be able to ignore the subspecs that give crit/resourcefulness, but I think you'll need the extra skill from the base spec

[ionic terrace]

thank god

though the four of them are buggy and not learnable currently

but the npc sells all eight

i wonder if you can buy them outside the zone

[silent urchin]

quite likely, most of the NPCs from the island end up in valdrakken

[ionic terrace]

well there's currently only one version of the npc in the database

¯_(ツ)_/¯

at least it's somewhat early

[ember blaze]

everyone wins on their choices cause you need each other anyways

if everyone could just talent into armor specialization and craft it with no other investment, then what's the point of the other choices

people are gonna need your high skill materials

[silent urchin]

Yeah, maybe the best money maker will be speccing into making ingots

[ember blaze]

i imagine a lot of people are instantly gonna go into the armor like chest and helms

but you can go into other pieces

eventually youll get everything anyways

[deep pawn]

the hard cap is primals

if you get 1 per dungeon oof

[ember blaze]

what's the problem

dont those give you better gear

[silent urchin]

Primal chaos?

[deep pawn]

they do but you need so many

you need 30-50 per piece

and consequently per skill up after 50 really

[silent urchin]

you can get quite a few chaos from world quests and so on

[deep pawn]

if it's 1 per dungeon that's just hell

[silent urchin]

treasures give quite a bit too

although treasures seem stupid right now

[deep pawn]

Ah, so it's not like previous versions of primals?

[silent urchin]

basically infinite of them and they give you just as many dragon isles resources/expedition rep items/decent chunk of grey vendor trash as you want

[ionic terrace]

lmao oopsa

turns out you can kill him if you're able to get past the winds

and his hp regen

all good, vault canceled 😛

and he has gold loot for some reason

[crystal pond]

But he didnt die
He still casting a spell

[ionic terrace]

true

he's a hunter

[glass fulcrum]

lol

[deep pawn]

I am a little concerned they didn't turn work orders on this build

Or are they working on the levelling realms

[dense plover]

i think we are like a step away

they want to work out ilvl and drop sources for endgame stuff

[deep pawn]

Work orders are the crux of the whole system

It's how non crafters spend their primals and how anyone actually gets gear they can't make themselves

And it'll be how some crafters skill up

There'll be some insane competition for any available work order if it skills up

[dense plover]

except they have time limits when you take them

and you can only have one

theres guaranteed to be more work orders than crafters

afaik, work orders can only be held on to for 2 hours if i remember the strings right

lemme double check

[deep pawn]

Is there a forced cool down after you complete a work order to take a new one?

[dense plover]

i cant find the strings

theyre not called work order

so theyre hard to find

"PROFESSIONS_START_ORDER_TOOLTIP Once this order is started you will have 30 minutes to fulfill the order."

theres one

"PROFESSIONS_ORDER_ABOUT_TO_EXPIRE This order is about to expire. Claiming it will not consume one of your daily orders."

daily orders it appears

with exceptions for orders about to expire

[deep pawn]

Daily orders, I guess that's one way to combat bots

[dense plover]

"PROFESSIONS_CRAFTING_ORDERS_REMAINING_ORDERS Orders Remaining Today: %s"

"CRAFTER_CRAFTING_ORDERS_BROWSE_FAVORITES_TIP Tip: Right click a recipe to favorite it. Favorite recipes appear immediately when you open your public orders. 1"

and you cant accept orders that you cant craft

or that you dont have the recipe for

or the skill to physically craft

or the profession itself

" PROFESSIONS_ORDERS_MUST_BE_NEAR_TABLE You must be near a Crafting Table to access Crafting Orders."

you also have to be near a crafting order

it also appears that recrafting orders are separate from regular orders

"PROFESSIONS_START_RECRAFTING_ORDER Start Recrafting Order"

[silent urchin]

If orders are about to expire, they ignore the limit

so if there are too many orders you might still be able to grind pretty fast

[deep pawn]

Well you still need all the gathered mats yourself

[dense plover]

^^^

not to mention recrafting needs a special resource

unless you are accepting very low cost recrafts where nearly everything is provided

[deep pawn]

I can see a world where someone placing a work order will have the mats to give to whoever takes it

The special resource is actually the same resource you use to make things that increase quality

Said resource can be provided by either buyer or crafter

[dense plover]

i thought you needed artisans mettle

[deep pawn]

Yeah, and blue post today said artisans mettle could be provided by the buyer or at least they're strongly considering it

[dense plover]

link?

[deep pawn]

Since mettle is soulbound

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/three-ranks-of-infusions-can-we-get-another-crafting-blog-1345713

Last post

[dense plover]

regarding recrafting

" PROFESSIONS_RECRAFT_RECIPE_INSTRUCTION Recrafting allows you to change Optional Reagents and the quality of some crafted equipment. You can gain skill while recrafting, but at a reduced chance."

you only have a chance to skill up

[silent urchin]

Mettle right now is absolutely shit to earn compared to the quantities required

I don't know if recrafting is a good way to actually spend it

[deep pawn]

Yeah, 50 mettle for one shot at a higher craft.

[silent urchin]

Currently you get 5 mettle whenever you gain knowledge

and 50 from a weekly

knowledge is from: First time crafting of an item. Very rare drops in treasures etc. Or spending mettle.

Also some weekly quests

[dense plover]

arent you supposed to get mettle from breaking higher level crafted gear down?

[deep pawn]

I had a harder time maxing out mail armor quality than I did inscription staves

[silent urchin]

If you are then I don't think breaking down items is in yet

[deep pawn]

Makes me wonder if a second profession has an easier time or something

[silent urchin]

I did find a whole bunch of alchemy knowledge despite not being an alchemist

[dense plover]

you arent

im wrong

i think they just havent settled on numbers yet

[deep pawn]

Like I could make a 392 staff at 60 skill whereas lw took me nearly hitting 100

[dense plover]

i dont think they want you to have an infinite amount of artisans mettle

but i dont think they want it to be TOO rare

right now its not common enough, but they need to be VERY careful

[silent urchin]

Another thing that confuses me is you have two accessory slots but there's only one type of accessory

at least for blacksmithing

[dense plover]

i think they want to avoid adding an intentional cap

but i also think it might make sense to do some kind of weekly cap

[deep pawn]

I think most profession gear is earned by quests

The crafted stuff is just an intro

[dense plover]

im pretty sure some is crafted by other professions at higher levels

IE blacksmith apron from a tailor

[deep pawn]

Yeah but it stays green quality I think

[silent urchin]

wait, they've removed mettle from the combat gear crafts, it seems

It is however still used in ridiculous numbers for crafter gear

[dense plover]

could be that higher rank = higher quality

[deep pawn]

Mettle is only recraft and the eyes for finishing

Oh is it the crafting gear? I only made one piece honestly.

[silent urchin]

Yeah.. the +30 skill is going to be pretty important for hitting high quality early on, though

[deep pawn]

Unless there's a questable version out there

Blizzard in previous posts implied dungeons and quests are a big source of knowledge

[silent urchin]

They could be, they just haven't been yet

They also all need a spark of ingenuity, which afaik will be time limited as well, those are via a quest in valdrakken

the epic gear, that is

Primal chaos is a pain to grind but right now effectively infinite, unless there's some sort of cap

just need to grab a shovel and go dig at dirt piles. costs supplies, but gives more than it takes, and the entire map has them everywhere

https://i.imgur.com/kGEuF9R.png

basically one chaos per

[deep pawn]

I know blizzard wants depth but I have a fear lots will see this as way to complex and just ignore it

[silent urchin]

I feel like it's gonna be similar to the legendary crafts

gotta put in a ton of time and money to grind right at the start for a relatively narrow window where you actually make good profit

[deep pawn]

I didn't bother with legendaries cause it was absurdly expensive to buy into and minimal guarantee of profit

[silent urchin]

Same, especially considering it didn't really reset with each patch

[deep pawn]

Having to skill up every slot of multiple armor types

They made the vendor mats way to expensive

I'm not sure I'm a fan of having to rely on jewelcrafters for vials and that vials have quality

[dense plover]

i think region wide stuff will fix that

at least i think work orders are

[silent urchin]

Possibly. They seem to want you to send them to specific people, though, cause that gives benefits for both

and that wont be region wide

[uncut vault]

warrior got condemn's anim back via the massacre talent

[cunning fossil]

nice

[silent urchin]

Wrathion sounded like he had some idea of what anduin was up to during the alliance side drac'thyr intro to stormwind

[cunning fossil]

dub. best tauren

[uncut vault]

not the highest bar

considering theyre the only tauren lol

[cunning fossil]

I got the impression more so that even Wrathion, master of secrets and secret finding, couldn't find him and he even resorted to asking Stormwind if they've seen him despite his own informnts probably being superior or at least on par with S!:7

ALso true Porter, very true

I just like racial diversity

[uncut vault]

uhh

for some reason the dracthyr called my orc an ogre lol

[cunning fossil]

myust be a typo

or, Dracthyr don't know what Orcs are until later on

which kinda makes sense? SInce I'd assume Ogres are straight forward denizens while ORcs are foreign, and likely came after Ogre

[uncut vault]

feel like thye need to disable some of these now that the xpac is done lol

[dense plover]

theyre supposed to disable once you level out of them

IE - level 61

report it

[glass fulcrum]

anyone know where to get Primal Focus?

[ember blaze]

what do you need for said shovel

[deep pawn]

Ogres are natives of Draenor too. I'm not sure how Dracthyr would know of them either

[deep pawn]

I'll have to try professions I guess live cause beta isn't a great way to do it. I just worry the timegate, the inventory clutter and more will just be annoying

Ironic blizzard adds 3 quality levels to all mats right after ff14 removed high quality for being clutter

[silver copper]

Anyone know when the raffle will go down today?

[uncut lintel]

can we have one

i want a durgon forg

[glass flicker]

I want a dragon vendor that sells burgers.

[uncut lintel]

my game is stuck on intializin

: (

[uncut lintel]

dragon tender

s

with hot sauce

[glass flicker]

I said "sells"

[uncut lintel]

yea

[glass flicker]

Not burgers made of dragons.

[uncut lintel]

he hells dragon tenders and dragon burgers

no too late

we're gonna be canibles

[glass flicker]

Yay, cannibalism. Enabled by Foksxi.

[uncut lintel]

[cosmic beacon]

do arms get the animation?

plz say yes

[uncut vault]

They do, yes

[cosmic beacon]

also the new enchants are cool asf

are we yet to see the glad tabard and enchant? the mount is visible from 3s in the collection

[deep pawn]

The devotion enchant didn't seem to have any animation

[uncut lintel]

no

[ancient jasper]

Looks like Blizzard is changing Evoker to a 30 yard Healer

[silent urchin]

I fully expect it to hit 40 yards on both healing and damage by the end of the expansion

[deep pawn]

It'll take them swallowing some pride. I bet the first thing they decided on the range was what makes evoker different from just mage or druid before anything else. I'd say they see it as core to the identity

[sterile axle]

Hi there the servers are offline?

[silent urchin]

Could be. There is a patch up. Afaik they're just aiming to fix the crashing issues

beta seems to be up

crashed after being logged in for 3 minutes so I guess it didn't work

[sterile axle]

ok cause my play button isnt active anymore and i played this morning

is there a place to see the servers eta?

[deep pawn]

so did anything change in the patch notes?

at least they popped back up in the blue tracker

[dense plover]

Dang it still no beta key from contests

[uncut lintel]

poor peach

[deep pawn]

so the build turned on a broken first log in splash screen and Call to arms for random heroics

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-on-class-design-progress-on-dragonflight-beta-design-iteration-phase-329008

And we're on to bug fixes and tuning

10/28 is happening folks

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/vault-of-the-incarnates-raid-testing-schedule/1346945

[deep pawn]

yep

10/28 is happening

raid testing ends about 2 weeks before that date

so right about the time release candidates start

[crystal pond]

Wait
So when we gonna test vault raid? Im confused

[ember blaze]

in the dates above

next week

[deep pawn]

they pushing a beta build again?

[dense plover]

did beta go down again?

[ionic terrace]

just a restart

[uncut vault]

beta suddenly become super unstable for anyone else?

disconnecting every 30 seconds or so

[cunning fossil]

Looks like Preservation is going to 30yds! Very nice

Still has the range limit trade off so they don't lose too much mobility

[deep pawn]

That's a bit of a sore point. In some ways evoker is less mobile that shaman, druids and monks

Unlike shaman and druid they lack travel, wolf, or cat form, hover is similar to roll I guess but their transcendence effect is tied to a dps or heal ability

They may be more mobile than priests and hpals

[dense plover]

oh hey, they finally implemented polymorph duck

[cunning fossil]

Hover = Roll?

No way you're making that comparison

Because it is at the very lease a better Spirit Walkers with 2 charges if talents

i believe it even gives a larger speed bonus than Grace

AND has the additional launch of 10-15 yards (iirc? NMot really sure)

[ember blaze]

cause youre essentially locked the same way

for that initial dash

if we follow the philosophy said by the dev, you want to pre dash before mechanics... which kinda beats the point of having the dash in there

unless they just want you to dash to reach the boss only

anyways no matter what you do, youre always interrupting what youre doing

whether youre pre hovering before mechanics, or use it reactively

and apparently according to them, giving up 15y wasnt enough of a cost... that we need to give up MORE just to cast hover

priests 2.0

[cunning fossil]

I could see this argument if likeit dod nothing else but move you

Nah nvm I won't speak on it cuz I just havn't played it.

I think the concept and the look is fine but o have 0 idea how it plays so ignore me

because if I tried to say anything, I can't completely verify it

[crude sigil]

Is it normal to have a green texture replacing the world map ? I see some streamers with the real map, not a flat green texture.

[plain violet]

Not normal no. :/

[plain violet]

Currently, if you cast hover, your cast is interrupted, but many spells demand to be channeled and the cost isn't refund if interrupted, for example the 3 essences of desintegrate.

(Or messing a empowered spell)

[cunning fossil]

that is a bit dum

[plain violet]

It is. x_x

[cunning fossil]

THey should be able to cast while the launch is happening

I can do it while channelring Rapid Fire technically

[plain violet]

I totally agree. If the point of hover is to cast while hovering, the launch should not interrupt anything.

Yup!

[tropic trail]

rip ret pala

[crude sigil]

example, this guy on youtube have the "normal" world map.

[tropic trail]

from what i heard, having your language set to anything other than english causes that bug

[crude sigil]

ok ok, ty 🙂

[deep pawn]

I feel like the blue post explained things well enough.

Regarding hover.

They'd either have to change the spell to always move you or remove the dash to add castable while casting.

I don't know why you would but you can current hover without dashing. I guess if it'd put you in the bad but you want to start moving a tiny bit while casting

Some feel like the line about skill expression knowing when you have time to finish a cast then dash sounds stupid, but it sounds fair from my eyes.

Half the game is knowing when you have time to cast that channel and stuff.

[ember blaze]

It’s not fair at all. And you’re losing in both scenarios because you still have to stop casting to use hover.

If the push is coming and I hover before it, I still lost a cast.

And none of that has anything to do with skill expression

And like I said if that is their intention then remove the dash then cause if I’m just gonna use it preventively then I have no need for the dash.

But then you consider the fact that it’s also your main movement ability and it’s also supposed to allow you to get in range.

There’s a lot of drawbacks here and a lot of costs they supposedly want us to consider…. While at the same time being shorter range than everyone else.

Meanwhile druid at 45y range just continues to spam rejuv with zero cast times and has one of the best mobility in the game.

[uncut vault]

it's not nearly as rough for preservation thankfully, since they've got multiple spells without cast times that are extremely effective (even if they should probably remove echo's cast time)

but man it is just so rough for devastation, because they only have one instant cast spell in their actual rotation, and wasting time with the lockout from hover after shattering star is a huge dps loss

everything else is a cast, channel, or empower

[ember blaze]

@uncut vault do you think disintegrate should get the treatment of other channel spells?

I believe searing for shadow got changed to require 50 sanity but it drains it per tick

So you’re not punished for ending early

[uncut vault]

I mean honestly, I just hate disintegrate entirely lol

[ember blaze]

D:

[uncut vault]

it's an incredibly unsatisfying, unenjoyable spender for what is basically the core of essence spending for them

[ember blaze]

At least it ain’t pyre

I think the problem is the spells baseline feel underwhelming

Disintegrate has talent interactions that make it feel good and hit hard