beta-ptr-spoilers

[silent urchin]

I don't expect them to do more than just take it away again, tbh

[cunning fossil]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1570148630966960130?t=XJlpxECPwnfesHlJrhn06A&s=19

I LITERALLY COMMENTED WHEN IT WAS POSTED SECINDS AGO I SHOULD WIN

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

What is the name of Nozdormu's future self?

Twitter · Sep 14, 2022, 8:33 PM

[ionic terrace]

[uncut lintel]

wait

[ionic terrace]

sadly not how it works

[cunning fossil]

I'm like the second comment on God beo

[ionic terrace]

wait

[cunning fossil]

ON GOD

[uncut lintel]

its obviously

bad Nozdormu

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[ionic terrace]

[dense plover]

They pick randomly

Too bad I can’t even participate

[uncut lintel]

why

[dense plover]

Twitter is blocked where I work and cell signal is terrible

[uncut lintel]

WHAT

UR PLACE BLOCKED TWITTER

HOLY SHIT THAT S ONCE IN A LIFE TIME

[dense plover]

I work with children

[uncut lintel]

oh

[dense plover]

It makes sense

[uncut lintel]

nvm

[cunning fossil]

Peach works with children?
No wonder he can tolerate the wow playerbase

[uncut lintel]

peach is a teacher

i guess

[uncut lintel]

it took me a minute but im dying

[plain violet]

God WhereAmI, you killed the floor but that's way too true.

[uncut lintel]

give them a gold star

[cunning fossil]

It's not my fault that it's an accurate statement to make to be fair

[amber jay]

Are servers up or still Down?

[plain violet]

Dow, down.

Or totally accurate I will not say the contrary.

Gamers are the worst thing about gaming, as he say.

[opaque pewter]

They are indeed

[silent urchin]

not even had the patch to download yet

[errant prairie]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1570167693000736771

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

We have a NEW Dragonflight Beta Build!

10.0.2 (45505) → 10.0.2 (45569)

✅ 1443 files added
🟡 4195 files modified
❌ 6 files removed

Maybe a new Beta invite wave as well? 👀🌊

Twitter · Sep 14, 2022, 9:48 PM

soon

[ionic terrace]

nice

[errant prairie]

also good luck with the invites

[deep pawn]

14 builds later, oh boy

[silent urchin]

different branches so probably a fair bit different anyway

[ember blaze]

so why is it 1 point behind ptr

[ionic terrace]

for nice

[deep pawn]

oh, it is

I thought ptr was the 55 build

[crystal pond]

Are they going finnaly alow us to test raid?

[ionic terrace]

there's the build

[silent urchin]

Finally

[ionic terrace]

pretty much the same notes

with the addition of...

Professions now require Crafting Stations for the majority of all crafts, outside of the simplest and easiest recipes. The goal of these stations is to help increase the immersion and fantasy of your chosen profession and enhance the social experience. You will find many of these stations scattered throughout the regions of the Dragon Isles for your convenience during leveling, including a large profession hub in Valdrakken which includes all of the crafting stations in addition to vendors and trainers. Please let us know how this requirement feels, especially if you find the requirement too harsh in certain zones.

[silent urchin]

Ah, it is a requirement

the quest text always seemed to imply it

although most of them didn't have complete models yet

ruby life pools has most of them, and the black dragonflight area a bunch of others for early access

oh hey servers up

oh apparently level 70 templates are available on the valdrakken server

[deep pawn]

neat

[ionic terrace]

figured

[ionic terrace]

i also figured they wouldn't let you go anywhere

and i was right

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/GZPSQ6e.jpeg this guy has a lot of shields

[ivory meadow]

[silent urchin]

killing one of the gnolls stopped it overflowing off the left, killing both made him perfectly killable

[ionic terrace]

any sign of a wave?

i guess tomorrow

[silent urchin]

Doesn't seem to be anyone posting about it

[charred gyro]

I have seen folks posting new access today. I don't believe they were all trivia winners, but not sure. I do really wish they were more communicative about when invite waves go out. At least then I could stop torturing myself constantly looking at my battlenet lmao

It does seem like big waves are on thursdays? Unless that's coincidence I've noticed.

[cunning fossil]

I literally can't wait

[crystal pond]

Oh looks like they decided to add protoss in wow

[ember blaze]

@uncut lintel

[uncut lintel]

OMG

[silent urchin]

Might have been a wave, there are a buncha fresh level 60s in waking shore

[ionic terrace]

[pulsar minnow]

There was a wave. I am not a surfer though 😔

Maybe next week

[ember blaze]

i find it funny they even forgot about black dragonflight in the new icon

[ionic terrace]

Wonder if peach got in this time

[glass flicker]

If he didn't, he will complain. So you'll know.

[ionic terrace]

Heh

Sorry peach

[glass flicker]

It's unlikely for Peach to not get in alpha and beta phases, though. He's reliable with finding bugs.

And not only Bugs Bunny.

[silent urchin]

It does surprise me, I've got in fairly early in the previous 3 expansions and generally assumed it was due to sending bug reports, and I send nowhere near as many as peach

[livid walrus]

pretty

[livid walrus]

something not quite right

[livid walrus]

giant sand clock on the map as well.

[uncut vault]

it's a little QoL for the Primalist's Tomorrow phase there

clicking it enters that map, since there's world quests there

[livid walrus]

well not so 'little'

[uncut vault]

the QoL is what's little 😛

[livid walrus]

hehe

this npc eyes seems so pushes back

[uncut vault]

the face textures on dracthyr are a tad bugged haha

[ocean pawn]

from /5
full clearing 1st & 2nd zone and 3rd's story alone gets you to 70
without dungeons
and, this sucks

[silent urchin]

that seems a bit far in the other direction

[ocean pawn]

"a bit"
given side quests are cooler than archon's

not to mention better in xp --

[dense plover]

Do the dragon riding talents have a pretty UI?

Also with all these beta key giveaways, maybe I’ll finally get in -_-

[silent urchin]

Not yet, but it says it's work in progress

[uncut vault]

Yeah the renown + talent UIs are still unimplemented

[silent urchin]

renown is in now

Or well, the summary page is

[uncut vault]

The UIs are just Kyrian atm

[hardy dragon]

How rare is beta access?😄

[livid walrus]

I found another new random npc

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=197746/aurora

She is in Highmountain

@ionic terrace about those two in orgrimmar you told us about, i was mistaken they re not part of that quest so maybe a flavor for it or just in the same location

[tropic trail]

how to see the professions vendors on valdrakken realm ?

[dense plover]

That new post means prepatch is probably 4-6 weeks out

[proper crystal]

Sounds right—the alleged leak said prepatch was going to be 10/25

[ionic terrace]

[upper pasture]

I wonder, are we getting evokers at prepatch or naw?

[cunning fossil]

Inky fir thise who pre ordered

[deep pawn]

I'm pretty sure it's 6 weeks

but yeah, kinda cool the crab and slime cat are staying til launch

I guess pvp rating and armors staying is to encourage solo shuffle in prepatch

only thing that seems to be going away with prepatch is the m+ rewards which feels weird

[silent urchin]

Most of those are tied to the season, and makes sense to have the season cutoff at prepatch because the prepatch itself tends to be hilariously unbalanced

[deep pawn]

except the pvp stuff isn't ending

unless that was a mistake

[crystal pond]

Probably everyone
Because its seems like dracthyr questline is tied with story
Like
Dragon Isle is awakining
Dracthyr too
Dracthyr going to capital cities
Champions discover them and Wrathion and Ebonhorn helping mortal with going to Dragon Isles
And then launch happen
And bla bla bla

But hey Who knows
They encrypted tons of stuff

[uncut lintel]

o-o

[deep pawn]

nah, just like Demon Hunters Dracthyr will come with expansion purchase

was there another beta build or something?

[silent urchin]

was one yesterday

[deep pawn]

oh, so Max just hadn't updated beta til just now haha

[silent urchin]

probably not, I'm still seeing the same patch as yesterday

[ocean pawn]

is rdf available on valdrakken or only pvp?

[silent urchin]

for now it's just solo shuffle

M+/raids will be later

[ocean pawn]

rdf?

[errant prairie]

Dungeon finder? Yeah I believe so

[ocean pawn]

ty

bored to my scales, no sub, played genshin, finished my epis, wont study

hecking. bored to the point might even deal with humans xd

[proper crystal]

Any voice lines for Dracthyr on beta yet?

[deep pawn]

Aww, I got beta!

I hope mrpeach finally got it

[cunning fossil]

wow you goit it??

[dense plover]

When did you get it?

And as of right now I’m not flagged

[deep pawn]

tonight

[dense plover]

Huh

[deep pawn]

massive wave went out tonight

[dense plover]

Well maybe I’ll still get in?

I didn’t see anything on my account page

[deep pawn]

I just checked my launcher and it's there

[dense plover]

Wonder if I’m like blacklisteyd or something

Nothing still

I don’t think I’m getting in

[deep pawn]

why would you be blacklisted?

[zealous basalt]

Someone here snitched

[ember blaze]

it shows up as battle for azeroth if you didnt know

[candid ruin]

HOLY POG IM NOT IN

[rain cave]

Blizz found the piss draw

[upper pasture]

Really mine shows up as dragonflight beta

[dense plover]

Yeah I’m definitely not in

I only have retail and ptr

I’m gonna need to win a key to get in

Or have someone send me one

Idk

[deep pawn]

Evokers are so cool!

just the way they look

[deep pawn]

Oh yeah, can make some really handsome men.

this armor set is actually really cool, I've been wanting longer chest pieces for a while

Fury of the aspects makes everyone's hands rainbow!

or at least the casting evoker's

[abstract ether]

he has big hands

or a small head. not sure which

wait. both?

[deep pawn]

that's just the blood elf model

have they implemented the "stay in visage more in combat" option?

[glass flicker]

Blizzard should really add more wrists to the base models.

[uncut vault]

thats not an option, its just to immediately enter visage when combat ends

[glass flicker]

Just look at the poor orcs.

[deep pawn]

Aww, could've sworn they were looking at letting you spend time in combat in visage and only swapping for spells that needed dragon form

You can cast living flame in visage and a bunch of heals, but once you swap you can't go back without a GCD.

[uncut lintel]

i just keeping telling ppl if u dont wanna play a dragon then dont play evoker

[ember blaze]

Real and true

[rain cave]

what if I do want to play as a dragon

[abstract ether]

I want to delete my visage

[deep pawn]

I wanna play both aspects. I mean they give you these gorgeous visage forms but you're rarely going to see them.

[uncut lintel]

meh on the gorgeous

[uncut lintel]

same

[glass flicker]

They could just give some of the Visage customization to the base races. Just sayin'.

It's been eighteen years and human females have no braids. Dracthyr show up and they have more braids than you can count on both hands.

[upper pasture]

im thinking we will probably see that after they get to mingle with the mortal races for a longer period

[glass flicker]

Despite being the same base model.

Sorry, I mean Body 2.

Not even the Jolyne reference is a braid. Ox Horns.

[young latch]

can i see that?

[glacial basin]

yo I was checking out the wow tools the new build indicates master loot is back?

[harsh wedge]

If people were giving up on receiving beta access because they don't have a subscription, a friend of mine, who did not have any sub since june, just got beta access

[upper pasture]

Pretty sure you can snag one now through the twitch partners who’s giving out codes now regardless of sub status

[deep pawn]

That reads like they were invited in a wave no won a key

[harsh wedge]

They indeed got invited through a wave, not with a key

[austere gazelle]

Aaaah I got in , Dragon isles , here I come !

[deep pawn]

Peach gonna cause a riot.

[crystal pond]

Blizzard said "peach will wait for launch"

[dense plover]

Guess so 😭

[young latch]

oooooh. i've been looking real hard for the scarves that are supposedly coming too.

I don't want to play alpha or beta because I don't like the idea of having to redo it all on live 💀

[plain violet]

Oh great!

I am so sorry for you, Peach...

[pulsar minnow]

when it comes to beta I’m just waiting for some key giveaway I know I have zero chance of beta

For Shadowlands I won it through a 10 minute MS paint art contest held by MrGM

[uncut lintel]

someone lend peach their pc if u got beta

[cunning fossil]

Jwaus

[dense plover]

someone needs to win me a key....

[pulsar minnow]

Crazy theory:
peach is blacklisted because he gave the bug fixers too much work last time around

[cosmic beacon]

Blizz hates peach so much they’ll even give him a delayed release

[silent urchin]

Do you have an active sub? I suspect that might affect it. I got my invite the first wave after I resubbed to see if zereth mortis was any good (it wasn't)

[plain violet]

@uncut vault One thing interesting, Wowhead and us get it wrong. Dark Talons are not the offensive weyrn. I found today the edict of the Ebon Scales (the one who defect) and it say black and white they are the assault weyrn.

Dark Talons is.. the infiltration weyrn.

I can translate the text if needed, I was playing in french.

[dense plover]

i do

for like 2 more weeks

[silent urchin]

well there goes that theory

[dense plover]

yeah

i think im legit blacklisted b/c i unsubbed last expac

[silent urchin]

nah I've spent a bunch of time unsubbed

[dense plover]

or the person whose F&F list i was on quit/was fired

in which case all info on me was wiped

[silent urchin]

I'm pretty sure the alpha was a lot smaller this time than shadowlands or bfa

[slender plover]

Wait the Dark Talons are the infiltration weyrn ?

[plain violet]

Yes, that's a big revelation..

[slender plover]

That's pretty cool

[plain violet]

I discovered it today by playing, but yeah, everyone thought they were the DPS weyrn, and that the traitors were the infiltration one.. in fact that's quite the contrary. 😁

Horde is infiltration, Alliance is defense, neutral is heal, traitors is DPS, and the wiped one is tactics.

[slender plover]

What if they became the Horde equivalent to the SI:7 the Shattered Hand was supposed to be lol

[plain violet]

That effectively could be... !

[uncut vault]

did a wowhead article say something that mixed it up or something?

[plain violet]

A old wowhead article yeah, that talked about the edict and told that the dark talons were the offense one.

[uncut vault]

But unless they changed it this build, the Horde one is still an offensive one, just not the Devastation one

the Adamant Vigil is the spy one

which is the neutral group that are now all dead

[plain violet]

Adamant seem to be the tactic one.

As their edict talk about a weyrn composed of commanders.

And the infiltration make sense with the edict about dark talons killing ten foes behind their ranks..

We also know from the "edict : weyrn" that there is 5 weyrns, each one for a aspect of war : tactic, offense, defense, healing, and infiltration.

We do have the offense now (as the edict of the ebon scales say their only goal is to destroy, nothing more or less), the edict about Obsidian is well.. defense, healing wing is healing.

At first I wondered also if the adamant would be the spy one, but they don't talk about infiltration or fear, but to be ears and eyes to guide (as a commander would do) the dracthyrs, and the "Only the most bold, most cunning, and most gifted commanders shall join the ranks of the Adamant Vigil. " seem clearly to talk about how it's a weyrn composed of it (as it's plurial)

Dark Talons seem pretty agressive, but some words do tell (and by elimination of the others weyrn) why it would be infiltration, like :
"topple their leaders." (something we do when infiltration)
"crush their will"
And the whole "Deny our enemies solace in walls and borders. For every talon in our ranks, you shall strike down ten of our foes from behind. "

It don't seem to be infiltration as "be disguised" but infiltration as "find your enemies, make them fear you and feeling unsafe you matter where they are"

As would be "assassins"

Here is the description for Ebon Scales (in french, I can translate) : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965753133152223233/1020375610620661880/unknown.png

[ember blaze]

nah it looks way bigger

[ionic terrace]

Found another new npc in Boralus, Xagnus Everbane

[livid walrus]

Cool!

I just looked around there. and i missed him

[ionic terrace]

I would link his wowhead page but it currently is a bit cursed XD

his model

damn the guards are pretty beefy, for guards

660k hp

[deep pawn]

Neat, the feral post kinda shows the grid they use to place talents

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/e8/E8V8NDACHWSI1663354203810.png

[ember blaze]

anyone know what changed? 🤔

[silent urchin]

not much, server didn't go down so I think it was just client fixes

[livid walrus]

maybe there is another npc at horde area

i will check shortly

[livid walrus]

https://wow.tools/builds/diff_new.php?from=d9ae29c2a6b3c3b086fd4c48d52dcd17&to=133b6497ed4f7a875973d740883d31bd

[dense plover]

goddammit - MORE MISTWEAVER CHANGES?

GIB CLASS TREE CHANGES

well - guess im gonna go take an ingame selfie really quick

[livid walrus]

@ionic terrace is there a list of all npcs such of those?

[ionic terrace]

idk

[dense plover]

went with this for my shot

hoping i win a key

[glass flicker]

The weight of such chin. Deathwing would be proud.

[dense plover]

i love this mount

[livid walrus]

huh i think this is wrong

[dense plover]

uh oh

[silent urchin]

dwarves and mechagnomes were disabled at one point

normally means they're getting model tweaks or new customisation

I think dwarves are back, presumably mechagnomes still slightly broken

[livid walrus]

reported that

[dense plover]

Can someone screenshot my drakthyr for me? It doesn’t work well on mobile

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/dressing-room#fZ8zz0zJ89c8jL8RWN8ji8VOD8jn8VQO8jb8VKZ8jA8VQh8vm8RWJ8jN8VQ08vo8RXN8jy8VQ58tU8RZO8vh8RZc8jg8VSG8xp8R0I8jx8VSk8vr8RYB8jB8VSy8jC8VSB8jH8VSD8jJ8VSU8tS8RAt8jI8VP18jt8VSa8xL8k5p8jw8VOd8jp8VQA8jT8VQT8tO8RZd8tP8RZ48vb8RYp8vf8RZX8jG8VPX8jh8VOw8jj8VQn8tQ8RAn8vd8RYx8vi8RZ28je8VSr8vw8RZ18jv8VST8jl8VSR8vH8R1K8va8RYh87hvXY87cvXQ87VvYh808vXU808vXZ808vYa808vYk87q

It’s like - reverse colored and laggy

I just want to enter the contest before I leave for a wedding

I’m literally at a train station right now XD

[dense plover]

Thank you

Seems like some of my customizations from my old link are a bit broken now - oh well. It’s pretty close

Either way that’s all my chances done

Gonna keep checking the wow reddit too

I just want a key

I’ve been snubbed and I want in

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

https://tenor.com/view/conan-o-brien-window-stalker-creepy-let-me-in-gif-16778394

Looks like Blizz has finally confirmed that they will be removing all 3 point nodes

I approve

[silent urchin]

there were 3 point nodes?

[dense plover]

It means you can’t go more than 4 levels without something new on at least one tree

[dense plover]

Some still yeah

[silent urchin]

the 2pt ones on DK are bad enough :(

[cunning fossil]

what the heck

[storm elbow]

Ok

[ember blaze]

preservation still has a 3 point node...

[cunning fossil]

we're likely gonna see another look at Evokers soon enough and they seem to be removing a lot of 3 point nodes from all the classes

they'll eventually get there I feel

[silent urchin]

yeah pretty much everything seems to be trending to fewer nodes

[livid walrus]

Well.. I didnt come to see that , but i came by this ...

This item is sold by npc from wod named Zektar

[silent urchin]

There's quite a few items like that that need weird items

I suspect it's like the vendor shuffle in oribos

although I think some are also drops

I haven't tried to solve it though

[livid walrus]

this one is in WoD

[silver copper]

Kinda suprised theres not more people flooding into here trying to apply for the sweetstakes

So to anyone who's played evoker, hows the class now and does it feel free flowing?

[livid walrus]

I felt it is like ranged dh

[silver copper]

Ooooh, havent heard that one. So what spec are you maining and what side of the tree?

[livid walrus]

I main aff warlock. for evoker when i played. i played on dps, as red path

while blue is nice as well

[silver copper]

Was thinking of going red and going the whole DPS and heal in my crossfire build

[uncut lintel]

huh whats this for

[livid walrus]

[uncut lintel]

👀

a mystery

[livid walrus]

i have no idea., but is strange indeed

i sent it to secret discord

[ember blaze]

@silver copperthere is no red or blue path

[livid walrus]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=189119/time-lost-phoenix-hatchling someone over there said this might be the end reward ,

[silver copper]

Right I heard they mixed them up more

[frigid sparrow]

lol

[rain cave]

would be cool if all the time themed rewards have been building to this xpacs finale

[glass flicker]

It'd be cool if we got a raid tier based around the Infinite Dragonflight. With the mythic recolor as bronze, maybe.

[rain cave]

a void colour, infinite colour, bronze colour and maybe kind of inverted infinite colouring?

also an infinite raid has potential to be extremely inovative

because they can bring things from everywhere in

bringing it up again but council of gul'dans is one of my favourite ideas

2 gul'dans bickering over a 3rd skull of gul'dan

whilst we fight them

[glass flicker]

Or an Arthas fight with us helping Mal'Ganis because Mal'Ganis will get ressed anyway.

That'd be fun.

The moment before Arthas returns to Lordaeron in Warcraft 3.

You remember it.

[dusk flicker]

Do we know roughly the item level of gear in the beginning zone of DF? I'm trying to guess how much I should pursue gearing alts beyond the initial ZM/233 crafted stuff.

[gloomy tangle]

I heard the pre patch event drops 280 stuff

[glass flicker]

Ooh! Ooh! I'll do you one better. A fight with Onyxia in the Stormwind Keep, but with modern game mechanics.

I swear an infinite dragonflight raid has more potential than Shadowlands had in its entirety.

[silent urchin]

you get 180 at the end of evoker starting zone, and the level up templates also start at 180

that's roughly what it's balanced around but it's still somewhat rough at that level

it goes up pretty fast, level 70 quests reward 334 or 350 gear

although a lot of that scaling come at the end, it starts a little slower

[dusk flicker]

Hmm, then I'm guessing the 233 or Sandworn relic stuff should be able to get alts off the ground.

[gloomy tangle]

Yeah 100%

[glass flicker]

Would still suggest getting a higher ilvl. All raids become fated in the prepatch.

It will be a huge leap in difficulty.

[errant prairie]

252 or so last time I checked unless they changed it recently?

[dusk flicker]

Unfortunately I don't have as much luxury to raid lfr in one sitting; lots of interruptions at home and all that.

[gloomy tangle]

No idea, I don’t even remember where I saw 280 🤷‍♂️

[upper pasture]

first zone stuff was like 220-232ish

iirc

[silent urchin]

tbh the roughest part of leveling is the last couple levels right now, in addition to just having the biggest ilvl jump, secondaries have extra scaling going on where the amount you need, and the amount on gear triples in like a level

so you suddenly go from like 20% secondaries to 5%

and it doesn't matter what ilvl you get, that's all done after anything that currently exists in shadowlands

[silver copper]

Honestly not worth it getting into the heavy stuff now

Seeing as its more then likely possible prepatch starts in a month

And I know Ion said that dracthyr will come two weeks before the expac but.. Kinda hope its more near the start of prepatch

[true agate]

anyone know if your can use your other mounts like skygolem in dragon flight or only dragon riding ( or if their is an option too gather with out dismounting ? ) Please and thank you

[austere gazelle]

Im making tons of report on dragon customisation

Bugged as hell

[uncut vault]

Dragonriding is only possible on the four drakes, and no option to gather without dismounting

There is a trait to increase vigor generation on gathering, but it’s not very effective

[tropic trail]

I've made an addon to help with dragonriding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6ldm43ACtc

Also works on retail for any flying / swimming

[true agate]

hmm ok thank you.maybe they will add something.

[livid walrus]

it was solved already in secret discord wow community . i dont know myself what to do

[silent urchin]

You aren't able to fly with regular flying mounts in the dragon isles. I believe there was some comment somewhere that it might show up later

Gathering is one of the things where dragonriding feels a bit annoying, even with all the talents you often have to wait for vigor regen to take off again

also a bit of a pain to land precisely, especially when coming from a shorter distance where you have less time to line up

Overall it's still great, though

[true agate]

Would that be same for druid flight form? Seems bit strange too full remove a class ability.

[ember blaze]

Your ability is to mount which is not being removed.

[silver copper]

Dragonriding is good for long distance travel, flying mounts are good for short distance travel

[dense plover]

Brew tree still needs to mix up connections in the bottom half

But changes are better

Wish the class tree had more utility and less healing

[true agate]

Alright thank you kindly for feedback. 🙂

[untold fox]

Flying mounts are also good if you want to get from A to B with auto moving thing without having to worry about going up and down . Good if you are alt tabbing while traveling .

While with dragon riding to be effective you need to be focused all the time .

[silver copper]

Still can't wait to try it in beta

I know it's only a few months away now if even but still

[upper pasture]

i thought i was gonna hate it but i really like it.

[silver copper]

They really did a good job on this expac so far

Imagine if the rumors are true and 10.1 is about going underground to old ancient neltharion ruins

[livid walrus]

new npc was found, at darkshire

[jade sandal]

my warlock pet not being resummoned after getting on & off my dragon = major gamebreaking bug

[austere gazelle]

Can't stop laughing at this pic xD

[silver copper]

Its funny how gnolls and Tuskarr got child versions of themselves before most of the races in game did

[crystal pond]

Wdym?

[regal heart]

Scaps is best boi

[uncut vault]

what, you dont think that the never-aging child Dagran is totally fitting? 😛

or how this is a 10 year old child lol

[plain violet]

It seem to be like in Highmountain : we encounter several childs that are just smaller taurens.

(I still would like child models)

[deep pawn]

they want that classic feel.

[cerulean lava]

Guys, is there a toy in Dragonflight that changes the Skybox?

[abstract ether]

maybe

[uncut vault]

There is, yes, both of those change the skybox

[silent urchin]

Do those mimic the elemental invasions?

[uncut vault]

Some examples

[crimson jasper]

l wouldn't want to be know what rp community would do with those xD

[plain violet]

Never understimate roleplayers...

[crimson jasper]

yea...

[cerulean lava]

THATS SO GOOD

[plain violet]

😟

[cerulean lava]

I saw that a few weeks ago

It would be pretty cool if it didn't have the cooldown

[abstract ether]

why would you ever want to leave the dragon isles though

[plain violet]

Thanks, I will attempt to draw that.

[crimson jasper]

that looks so awesome

[ember blaze]

The centaur place is really nice

Vast openness and green

[cunning fossil]

It is called a plain so y

[austere gazelle]

For once on this expack, I found no zone more boring than any other, all of them have balanced interesting quest that are not really annoying, ( despite the respawn bugs or lack of mobs some time )

I always had this " oh no, I'm starting the boring part of the leveling " in every other expansion, and well, this one hasn't any for me which is... cool :p

[silent urchin]

Yeah, the questing experience feels like they've put a lot more effort into it this time

Especially side quests

[silver copper]

Sadly it only works for people in your party and the cooldown is more then the effect

😦

[ionic terrace]

I think this is the first non-Draenor Rangari?

[uncut vault]

it is, thats really cool

where is he?

[regal heart]

Wait

Was it known to us that some AU Draenei made it to Azeroth ?

Or is this like... a MU Rangari ?

[uncut vault]

Probably MU, since the AU characters never passed over

[austere gazelle]

Rangari are exclusive to Draenei culture, not to AU draenei culture

[uncut vault]

Yes but we've also literally never seen one in th eMU before, so it's good to know that they didnt all die on Draenor haha

[ionic terrace]

Apex Observatory in the Waking Shores

[uncut vault]

Thanks!

[silver copper]

It's really nice of Blizz helping out smaller streamers

The beta keys are making them explode

[silver copper]

Still trying to grab one, myself TuT

[livid walrus]

There is another ine next to him and also lightforged to them

I have the gossip line of them somewhere

[plain violet]

I would like to have them. :o

[livid walrus]

@plain violet

[plain violet]

Thanks you! ❤️

[austere gazelle]

Dracthyr's mount? 🤔

Oathstones, and the thing above tyrhold make me think about the crystals of Un'goro and the pillars of Sholazar 🤔 I'll dig into it, there might be something significant behind this

[glass flicker]

No, the poor maggot. 😭

Grub.

[cunning fossil]

Already I like Zuronar

[cosmic beacon]

ele sham on beta

[uncut lintel]

awww

[dense plover]

Yo

New wild mushroom stuff looks awesome

I hope it makes it in

More AoE is good

[plain violet]

Oooh perfect!

I like the idea.

[deep pawn]

Mrpeach, and hints of a ptr build tonight?

[ionic terrace]

Why would there be?

Tomorrow prob

[deep pawn]

when did ptr update last week?

[ancient jasper]

13th

So Tuesday

[silver copper]

Hopefully the ptr build this week is Evoker time

[deep pawn]

I'd be shocked if they add evoker to the ptr

[silver copper]

Well they did say Evoker's part of the prepatch

And they even gave them conduits and a covanent ability, even a legendary

[deep pawn]

they will be playable in the prepatch

but just like DH they won't be tested on ptr

[silver copper]

No I heard somewhere they'll be tested on there

[deep pawn]

I don't know where you would have heard that, but monks and dh's weren't

[ancient jasper]

It would be dumb not to test them on the PTR. Far more QA testers to nail any last minute bugs than a closed Beta.

[deep pawn]

They have never done before. The class is tied to owning the expansion unlike talent changes.

[cunning fossil]

Opinion on the Range of Evokers: No it isn't a "problem", it's a weaknesa

Sorry, but Evokers need a weakness too

[uncut lintel]

they need to break evoker so it can come to ptr so i can play on it untill pre patch release

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[uncut vault]

I mean yeah it’s obviously a weakness lol, the question if it’s too big of one

In a game not really designed around midrange casters

[glass flicker]

I think the Hover ability will break Evoker gameplay, tbh.

Frost mages already have an offbrand version of it with Ice Floes, but the Evoker one doesn't have to be talented into.

[south patrol]

Did they change Thaldraszus lvl requirement today? both these pics are from today evening and 2nd one is @true kraken not 68

[glass flicker]

And it even grants a movement speed buff. So you can just move while casting and are better while doing it.

[uncut vault]

It does have quite a few talents needed to be effective, though

Baseline is decent, but nowhere near ice flows

[glass flicker]

I only watched a short Bellular video on Evokers, I don't want to spoil myself too hard on their gameplay.

That initial launch covers so much ground, it's insane.

I think Evokers will be especially difficult to pin down in PvP.

Pop this, cast while running away.

[cunning fossil]

This thing with evoker though is that the bosses will be done for the future, rather than the present.

We say it's not made for midrange caster because we've never HAD them in the game before. But now we do.

Also, their mobility is so good that I just can't see how an evokee will ever be left in a bad spot unless they just don't know what to use to get out of the situation.

[cunning fossil]

Not to mention you can get reduced CD with Bronze Blessing, as well as an additional charge IIRC

[glass flicker]

E.

[cunning fossil]

F

I'm sure that skilled raiders will easily be able to put eviker into places where they fit best. Especially since there are more than likely fights where you would.love a midrange caster with high mobility

My problem personally is that everyone is already thinking that the class is horrible because of the singular balancing aspect of it.

And so they want it taken away, and if it is, they will then complain that it is OP

[glass flicker]

Eviker?

[cunning fossil]

So it gets toned down to compensate for increased range.

Then it just loses all uniqueness from there

HUAH

HUSH*

[glass flicker]

Me when someone spells something wrong.

[cunning fossil]

Literally same

Ut yeah this is where I stand on the evoker thing

[glass flicker]

Ut. Ut.

[cunning fossil]

Do y'all just want a full caster that has 0 mobility and would basically make the different specs Arcane Mage and Resto Druid? Or would you rather have a more unique class with a weakness (that every class should have) but with utility no other class has?

The answer is obvious

Make them Arcane Magw and Resto Druid

Because that way, it's easier for WoW players to wrap their head around! Rather than, God forbid, learn how to play the new class and take advantage of what it has

My gos

[glass flicker]

I would want Beast Mastery to not rely on their weapon for damage, at all.

[cunning fossil]

How dare you make them LEARN

[glass flicker]

Let the pets do all the work.

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[glass flicker]

Instead of Cobra Shot, have Rabid Lash, for example.

Deal some damage and inflict a poison DoT.

Or, I guess venom.

Rabies.

[cosmic beacon]

new rbg flag carrier?

[glass flicker]

Oh no.

[cunning fossil]

Man this class is gonna be fucking turned into a budget Magw/Druid if they listen to this article

I do not care if I get hate for this: BlIzard should not touch Evoker range

[glass flicker]

I agree.

[cunning fossil]

Like oh my God let's have some variety guya

[glass flicker]

Let 20 yards be their max range.

Actually make healers get involved.

[cunning fossil]

Let's have something DIFFERENT from Mage and Druis

God forbid that the new class has a new weakness

That has to be overcome

[glass flicker]

Tbh their weakness is being called Evokers.

Arcane mages have an ability called Evocation already.

Grr.

[cunning fossil]

Are we gonna say that DK should have the same Mobilty as a Warrioe because it's unfair?

Then we give Warriors the same Healing as DK to compensate?

Then make Rofues able to wear plate?

[glass flicker]

Wait no don't.

[cunning fossil]

But also give hunters the ability to get evasion

[glass flicker]

I already see the Lightforged rogues in heritage armor.

Stop.

[cunning fossil]

This is how homogenization Happens. People thinking that weaknesses are problem, rather than something to be worked around and overcome. It is a skill check. It keeps them different

It keeps Evokers ability to be a unique class

Because no other class has their utility that their range may not even be an issue because of it

You just gotta play smart and know your weaknesses

But GOD FOR FUCKING BID

Does that happen in world of warcraft

Amirite guys?

[glass flicker]

Right.

Point me to the culprit who said it?

[cunning fossil]

Wowhead

/s

[uncut vault]

I think you’re interpreting a conclusion where the article is mostly just pointing out the weakness, and asking if it’s too punishing

Because from my twice-over leveling and dungeons, evokers are very reliant on their stationary spells for damage, the damage on the move is not very significant

[plain violet]

Agree from experience with Portergauge.

The limitation can sometimes feel too much, or even worse on quests where you can't really hit a mob in the sky.

[uncut vault]

The question is definitely relevant, cause I definitely don’t expect them to totally scrap the range

[plain violet]

There were a old talent to increase evoker range, so I think the dev know it can be not that "flavorful"

[uncut vault]

But I do think they might change the damage balance between their stationary vs mobility-able spells

[plain violet]

Why not. 😁

In leveling, desintegrate sometimes hit like a wet noodle.

(except when Eternity Surge proc)

I tested with leveling gear of course, to see how a player would interact and what the difficulties would be.

[glass flicker]

I think the range is fine, but that they'll need something to hit those flying flockers out of the sky.

[plain violet]

Yeah, like warrior.

[glass flicker]

An ability with the purpose of Crackling Chi Lightning on Windwalkers, lmao.

[plain violet]

(or rogue.. or DK.. or every melee class that now have a 40yd spell to taunt)

[glass flicker]

If it had no knockback, it'd be pointless.

Yuh.

[plain violet]

Evoker is a fun class but still need modifications to be really great and avoid, for example, the pyre spamming in single target that some build have.

[glass flicker]

I can't even think the last time I used Shuriken Toss or Poisoned Knife on my rogue.

Only to aggro.

[plain violet]

Yeah. 😁

Sometimes to apply poison, but that's mainly aggro spells for flying mobs, or if you're on a ranged run.

[stoic blaze]

i think the bigger issue is with preservation

[cunning fossil]

Consider also though that how often you'll actually be needing to move if classed as a ranged spell caster though. Like yes you will have to move but with so many ways to do it, how often will you be stuck? I suppose the range could be an issue for leveling and tagging mobs but also is it THAT significant that range need to be scrapped?

If you want to feel compensated for range, make them do more damage and healing with their instant cast spells.

Preservation has ways to heal from 40 yards but also how often do people ACTUALLT heal from 40 yards away?

[stoic blaze]

pretty often as mentioned in the article

in raid anyway

they have like one heal that can technically hit 40 yards but it's not very practical

[cunning fossil]

Well how do Healees like paladins do soM

[stoic blaze]

paladins can word of glory or use shadowbreaker if they need long range healing

[cunning fossil]

Like, is there a case where every healer needs to be max range?

Paladins can WoG at minimal efficienct true

[stoic blaze]

the worst example is halondrus for sure

that would be hell with a 25 yard range

[cunning fossil]

To be fair, Halondrus was a bitch for every spec

And Halondrus is not made with Evoker in mind.

I get what you mean though, that future bosses will need to keep the range in mind to make it not too detrimental

[stoic blaze]

true, but i wonder if they will be willing to design every encounter from now on with evoker range in mind

right

[cunning fossil]

I doubt that rhwy'd actively make it so that their NEW class that everyone will try will be ineffective

The one thing I feel evoker uniquely has is the ability to be in the middle portion of melee and ranged and be able to switch to one or the other quickly

Need to get into melee for a movement qhile stacked mechanic? Hover right over.l and cast away, then go and Rescue to a healer in order to get back out of range

THIUGH I admit

I am not a World firster or even a good player so maybe I'm speaking out of my aaa. And I know the people talking about this are in fact playing it on the beta.

But I personally just wonder if it is an actually detriment or if it is more so an inconvenience that we do not yet know how to overcome but will simply overcome eventually.

[pearl socket]

Hpally and MW don’t get range mechanics

[cunning fossil]

This is a NEW class after all, with new weaknesses that need to be worked through, but they are not necessarily weong

[pearl socket]

EvP does

[cunning fossil]

And how bad are ranged mechanics movement wise? Cause Evokee is gonna be just fine on those.

[pearl socket]

How in the world does an Evoker get a spot on Halo on heals, or sludge

[pearl socket]

It’s not the Evoker that’s the problem, it’s the fact the Evoker can heal range stack or melee stack, never both. Then it’s fight where movement cannot happen like sludge

Some bosses have mechanics where range physically cannot move to get closer to targets without ruining the entire strat

30y range would make sludge possible, 40y makes Halo possible, 25y means any raid team who cares puts Evoker on the 5th or 6th heal slot and uses them maybe on one fight a tier

[cunning fossil]

I can see those as valid arguments but at the same time maybe there is a different steat?

Because we're sort trying to fit a new piece into an already solved puzzle rather than trying to solve the new puzzle with the new piece is what I think

Of course having more range would be better but then what? We would have to compensate with mobility nerfs

And their utility might still be a bit high, so qe'd have to decrease that too

I personally would not like that to happen because of a raid that ISN'T DESIGNED WITH EVOKER IN MIND

[crimson jasper]

while I'd like not to be declined for having "inferior range"
I gotta agree with wai, I'd rather find a way to play efficiently under the new circumstances than just be another druid

[cunning fossil]

When raid testing starts for DF, I'll be looking closely

[crimson jasper]

problem as always is people, cause if the world first guys and mdi people deem evoker as "off meta" then that translates to the community in saying "they are unplayable" xD

[pearl socket]

You don’t need raid testing, we have M+ dungeons right now where DPS already spread past 25y to handle mechanics

We have raids right now that you just wouldn’t want an Evoker for

[crimson jasper]

thats why I also mentioned mdi for m+

[pearl socket]

Just make it 40y lol

[cunning fossil]

Nah

[crimson jasper]

and as mentioned before by wai, it's a new class old content isnt designed for

who knows if it will work

[pearl socket]

Why are we breaking our backs defending bad design lol

The people alpha testing right now lmao

[crimson jasper]

if not things can still be adjusted but I'd like to atleast forst give it a try

[pearl socket]

They’re the ones saying it doesn’t work

[cunning fossil]

It's not bad dwafin it's just different. They have monolty

[crimson jasper]

yet those people arent saying "it's bad"

[pearl socket]

You have a mage at 15% hp 30y to your right, your tank is a DK taking heavy damage. Who do you save

How fun is that choice

[cunning fossil]

Sounds like the DPS need to start learning bow to play with an evoker

Like they did every other class

[crimson jasper]

as in the article atleast, it's a thought IF it will be a problem

[pearl socket]

Sounds like don’t invite Evoker

[crimson jasper]

not that it is

[pearl socket]

Cause a shaman has range to do both

This like saying fire mages can’t hurt fire elementals

[crimson jasper]

see my example instantly came true

cause people will just be "it aint viable"

[pearl socket]

Flavor over reality

[crimson jasper]

without even trying

[cunning fossil]

So miss out on AoE Samage reduction, Mobility Buff, a universal damage reversal on preservation

Yeah sure bud

Go ahead and pass all that up

[crimson jasper]

just like all the m+ grps currently for off meta specs xD

[pearl socket]

I don’t need another patch of a Evoker being ignored cause I know that 40y is better than 25y

[cunning fossil]

You'll have e to trade something for 40 yards you know

[pearl socket]

They will 100% buff the range

The range is so bad, nothing Evoker loses will be a bad trade

[cunning fossil]

Not without compensation nerfs on. Mobility and utilry

I can guarantee u that

[pearl socket]

They just need output that reliably reaches people

All the mobility in the world doesn’t change you cannot be in range of multiple critical targets

Also

Mobility to just do what a priest can do standing still? That’s lame.

[crimson jasper]

did you test this?

[cunning fossil]

YES awesome.

Just make Evoker Arcane Mage and Resto Druid in a single class

AMAZINF

Innovative!

Truly peak game design

[crimson jasper]

so every class gotta be the same?

give everyone PI then

[pearl socket]

Yes.

[crimson jasper]

and lust

battle rez

wow

[pearl socket]

Every class should be able to fill it’s roll

[cunning fossil]

And evokee doesn't???

[crimson jasper]

Evoker can fill its role tho 🤔

[pearl socket]

No

[crimson jasper]

prove?

so far seeing dungeons

theres evokers

[cunning fossil]

Sounds like a skill issue

[uncut lintel]

what

[crimson jasper]

and they fill the role 🤔

[pearl socket]

Two targets 35y apart

You cannot save both

[crimson jasper]

you can

[pearl socket]

Ant other healer can

[crimson jasper]

you most likely will already be positioned close to one

if you arent like other ranges

[pearl socket]

Going to target A puts you 60 y from target B

[crimson jasper]

all away in a corner of the map ;P

[pearl socket]

What’s your raid exp

[uncut lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/dracthyr-gif-25443015

[pearl socket]

Mythic, heroic?

How much halo prog did you do

[crimson jasper]

awww look he wants to invalidate what I say if I dont have enough "raid exp"

[uncut lintel]

wait

[crimson jasper]

called it xD

[uncut lintel]

i thought u meant range

why does raid exp matter

o - o

[pearl socket]

Because there’s too many fights where you just need the range

[crimson jasper]

cause only the "pros" are allowed to talk

[uncut lintel]

i didnt read full convo cuz im lazy so im reading some

[pearl socket]

Where you cannot mobility out of this problem

[crimson jasper]

*needed

[cunning fossil]

You can
Move a bit closer to one with a HoT and then immediately Rescue the othwr

[crimson jasper]

again you are not taking into account that this is fights designed with NO evoker

[cunning fossil]

Not hard

[crimson jasper]

being in the game

[cunning fossil]

And that's a very SPECIFIC scenario

[crimson jasper]

also fyi I am currently doing mythic fated raids after coming back to the game from taking a pause inbetween in SL

if it really is that important to you

[pearl socket]

Nice

Good luck with tier

[crimson jasper]

yet I can say, these mechanics are not designed around having evoker, so it doesnt matter on the topic

IF new fights ofc are just the same

[cunning fossil]

Saying that Evoker range makes It unable to be effective is just wrong . It just sounds like a new challenge players need to adapt and some players are whining about it rather than trying to actually learn the new clasa

[crimson jasper]

then we have a base to talk about how the range is affecting Evoker

the article itself does this and is fine in bringing up problems that MIGHT arise and WOULD be around were we to do CURRENT raids

and also if mechanics continue to be designed like this

which I can agree on

Evoker range would suck in a lot of these fights

mostly pres tbf, dev should be managable

[cunning fossil]

I would personally say that rather than pushing evoker into a comp that didn't have access to it, maybe make a comp with evoker actually in mind

Trying to fit a square into a circle shaped hole does not work out in my experience

BUT you are right to bring it up for the future

[crimson jasper]

I am looking forward to see how they react to the feedback and IF they actually have a plan other than "yea it's 25yrd range cause we thought its cool, like conduit energy"

[plain violet]

That's a fear I have.

[crimson jasper]

it should add something to the class, currently that would be a "different style of gameplay" as in positioning

[plain violet]

There were saying it's unique, cool, that they want to see how players would play with. For now, the upside need to be seen (as our most DPS demand us to be pretty immobile)

[crimson jasper]

if that end up just being a negative tho, then yes, 40yrd range please

[plain violet]

Yeah...

The first raid will be make or break.

[cunning fossil]

https://twitter.com/PaxtonMaus/status/1572265861054083078?t=58NhM95lD0W-ZStB_rum9A&s=19

Paxton Maus (@PaxtonMaus)

@Wowhead 1) They warn people it's an advanced class for a reason.

2. If it was face roll easy, or didn't have challenging game play. It wouldn't be as engaging, and then ppl would bitch that there were too many Evokers.

Twitter · Sep 20, 2022, 4:46 PM

Sorry this is also my opinion somewhat

[uncut lintel]

guys

clearly the option for everyone is to just

forget mechs just play dragon

[cunning fossil]

I can totally concede if players do not find a way around the range issue quickly enough but I feel personally that the ability is rhere

[plain violet]

"Advanced" is currently a meme in the evoker discord.. for a reason.

[cunning fossil]

You just have to be smart about positioning

[plain violet]

(because currently in testing there is nothing advanced in playstyle except frustration)

[uncut lintel]

doesnt that come with every class

frustration

[crimson jasper]

I'd like people first trying the playstyle, and if it really doesnt work, can be adjusted

[cunning fossil]

Isn't that literally every class thoughM

[ionic terrace]

i already forgot about mechgnomes

[plain violet]

No. x)

[uncut lintel]

AHAHAHA

[cunning fossil]

Like eveeg class will bitch about their weaknessea

[ionic terrace]

i do not see them

[crimson jasper]

lucky you I wish I could rid this nightmare out of my memory xd

[ionic terrace]

normal gnomes ok tho

[plain violet]

Some class are fun, some are complicated, evoker isn't too complicated, but there is limitations that seem really arbitrary. Evoker don't need 25yd to already have many weakness.

[crimson jasper]

yea those are fine, can look rather cute in some cases even

[plain violet]

For example they are already squishy, really squishy even with the heal.

[ionic terrace]

in other news i have invisible gun

[uncut lintel]

omg

[crimson jasper]

xD

[plain violet]

The healing for the DPS spec have a severe delay that don't let it be a "oh shit" button, your biggest heal only come if you can take enough damage (but not too much) during 12s.

[cunning fossil]

cough skill issue

But no I get what you mean

[uncut lintel]

-o

o-o

[ionic terrace]

do you think it's worth reporting that level 70s currently get the green version of the keg from coren

[crimson jasper]

I personally really like the "rewind time" idea

[ionic terrace]

for next year

[plain violet]

Deep Breath have sere limitations for its use.

[uncut lintel]

ppl are scared of new ideas

and things

[plain violet]

I mean, skill, why not!
But evoker already have weakness to work with (that are nice)

[uncut lintel]

[plain violet]

And it need the 25yd to not be just... another one without upside.

[uncut lintel]

evokers weakness is not bein able to transmog

[crimson jasper]

luckily we still have time for iteration

[uncut lintel]

u lose dps and healing

[plain violet]

(so fight turned around, or talents helping range)

[crimson jasper]

I hope it'll tuen out well cause I will main this shit anyways good or bad xD

[cunning fossil]

But there is upside though

[crimson jasper]

just be naked, best mog

[uncut lintel]

:sni

[plain violet]

I did die when using Hover or Deep Breat... 😁

[cunning fossil]

I son-/ meant to be rude

But uhm

[uncut lintel]

skill issue??

[plain violet]

There is also the tuning issue, sure, like for Azure Strike.

[cunning fossil]

That sounds like a potential skill issue.

[plain violet]

(that is currently really weak but that's just tuning)

[cunning fossil]

Tuning will have to come in the next few monrhs

[crimson jasper]

yea tuning I aint worried about

[plain violet]

I think you really should test the class to understand what I am talking about. :(

[cunning fossil]

Like, if I die as a hunter to shit on the ground that I swear I disengaged out of, people do not give me slack and say "it's ok. It the class"

[crimson jasper]

always "easy" to pump up/down numbers

[cunning fossil]

They tell.me it's an L i'm.holding

[plain violet]

For numbers, I can understand. But there is behaviour in spells that are.. not likeable.

[cunning fossil]

I should. Sorey

[plain violet]

I really hope also Deep Breath will be debugged.

[cunning fossil]

I admit that I am someone looking in

I do wanna try Evoker when it comes out tbh

[plain violet]

For example since the alpha, if you launch deep breath but there is a slight uphill in the trajectory, your character stuck in place.. and do nothing.

[cunning fossil]

Especially pres

[plain violet]

(and so you just take damage for 4s without having the possibilities to cancel or move)

[plain violet]

It's okay!

[uncut lintel]

i wanna try out evoker but no ptr : (

[plain violet]

I did enjoy evoker, but I see the problems to correct to have a good balance between weakness and strenght.

[cunning fossil]

Ok yeah that has to be fixed ASAP.

Honestly though, I feel as if Blizzard is gonna address a ton of Evoker issues soon enough I a big blue psot

Like the other classes that have been a bit neglected

[ionic terrace]

@livid walrus found him wandering outside IF

only saw him cause he patrols through Brewfest

[plain violet]

I really hope. 🙏🏽
Hover sometimes have the same problem, when the "launch yourself" don't work. Or living flame not used, or disintegrate that don't channel.

[cunning fossil]

Oh that's horrible actually lors

[plain violet]

Yeah, there is moments of play where "why my spells don't work". ^^'

[cunning fossil]

The launch from hover is by far one of the more impactful parts of the movement evokee haa

[plain violet]

Totally!

[cunning fossil]

If it doesn't work consistently rat's a huge issue

[plain violet]

I think it should be more controllable, like the dragon kick.

[crimson jasper]

I do appreciate the feedback you guys on the beta give that DO have a clue about how it playes, I didnt wnna sound like "buh hu world first raiders destroy the game"
on the contrary they do know what they are talking about, it just always spirals out of control when "Normal" people get their hands on it to discuss it xd

[plain violet]

(like, you press again, you stop suddenly)

[cunning fossil]

And if anything, I could argue that the hover launch can be 20 yards, like a forward Disengage

[plain violet]

I can agree!

[ionic terrace]

this guy has such a weird patrol

[plain violet]

You're welcome Shuja!

[cunning fossil]

Yeah I don't mean to shit on people who are critical about the game. I love it when people are

[crimson jasper]

just like the discussions on wyrmrest, I think in the end it all adds to making it a great class

[cunning fossil]

There are too many people who we've touched evokwe who are saying that evoker is garbage without trying though lmao

[plain violet]

I really love evoker, do not worry, I want to main it. 😁

[cunning fossil]

I wish Ecoker had aaote Honestly

[plain violet]

But so of course I want the class to be really unique.

[cunning fossil]

Was on PTR*

[crimson jasper]

tell me where the bad dragon touched you, it's ok

[cunning fossil]

You know where

[plain violet]

In flavor wise for example, I like the idea of flying during the fight.

[crimson jasper]

yea hover is super nice looking

[plain violet]

But that could be really gamebreaking, even if they tried with deep breath and hover.

I mean, we see in quests that dracthyrs can just fly and fight the same way dragon do, like jet fighters.

[cunning fossil]

Yeah I was always thinking about the issue Deep Breath and Dream Beeath has with them being forced to move 40 yards out of position lmao

[plain violet]

And that would be a big challenge.

[cunning fossil]

Like in some ways you could use it as an initiatoe?

[uncut lintel]

o-o

[plain violet]

Yeah, even more when it bug. 😁

There were a proposition of "tainting" your deep breath.

[cunning fossil]

Yeah sounds wild.

[plain violet]

That depending of your precedent blue/red spell, the CD would change of effect/behaviour.

[cunning fossil]

Interesting

[plain violet]

That could be interesting yes!

[crimson jasper]

I unfortunately aint a theorycrafter, numbers are my weakness, but I usually always work with slamming my head straight through a wall when learning and playing a class and I do perform well xd

doesnt mean I dont absorb every ounce of info and knowledge out there

[cunning fossil]

I love the idea of positioning being a huge part of game play but I can see how it'll be detrimental at times.

I was thinking personally that Deep breathe is either a good way to get into a fight but with the talent it is also a way to keep yourself in position

[crimson jasper]

gonna aim for that realm #1 Evoker even if it is a RP realm xD

[cunning fossil]

I have a feeling that all evokers will be opening with Deep Breath to stop themselves from.going out of position for no reason.

[plain violet]

Yeah DP can also be a movement CD with damage bonus.

Ahaha, surely. 😁

[cunning fossil]

Like on the way to the boss they open up with it

Oh yeah definitely.

[plain violet]

Deep Breath is also pretty "slow" as an animation.

So the stun is only for teamwork!

[crimson jasper]

deep breath only has one dmg instance per mob right?

[plain violet]

Two!

[crimson jasper]

two ok good to know

[plain violet]

I tested it multiple time, it hit two time.

(I don't know why)

[cunning fossil]

Ugh I gotta try it to see how it feels. Because when that happens I'll be able to have a better idea of what's going on

[plain violet]

The mob suffer a small debuff that is the spell, it hit two time and hop.

[cunning fossil]

And the issues it has

[crimson jasper]

maybe hitting the target when you "arrive" then again when you "leave"

[plain violet]

Yeah, but it's really closely tied.

[cunning fossil]

Sounds correct yeah.

[plain violet]

Deep Breath is a cool spell but... need some ajustement.

[cunning fossil]

Could be however long the flame effect is on the mov

[crimson jasper]

I hope it doesnt use the hitbox to determine the 2nd hit xD

[plain violet]

I didn't tested it yet but that could be. :')
At least it afflict a really short debuff.

(that is the damage)

I mean, testing a player who get off the hitbox as soon he is hit.

Some suggered a DOT with deep breath but I don't really agree to it.

[deep pawn]

Breath spells are annoying to use honestly. They should be cool but locking yourself into an animation is hell

[cunning fossil]

Gotta sacrifice for style poinrs

[uncut lintel]

theres wallpapers for dragonflight and they move

@cosmic beacon hype

[cosmic beacon]

[uncut lintel]

sadly i cant recor em moving but

the dragon one alexmoves her staff and dragon form moves wings mouth and tail

[ember blaze]

Any signs of a new build? 🤔

[glass flicker]

Arthas and George.

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[silent urchin]

servers are still up so no signs of a build yet

[crimson jasper]

where can you grab them?^^

[uncut lintel]

its on wallpaper engine

that app on steam

[crimson jasper]

ahh kk thank you

[plain violet]

Agree. It could be like a hover ++ for some seconds and you do AOE when you move.

[uncut lintel]

is the theme from the dragonflight cinamatic out yet

or no

am i literally gonna hav to wait 40 yrs for a instrumental

[plain violet]

@cunning fossil Here a example of a common deep breath bug.

(you are just stuck this way without moving or dealing damage)

[glass flicker]

Lols, new portraits are out only for the player?

Mobs still use the old frames.

[upper pasture]

Yes, I reported this bug. Seems to trigger when doing deep breathe on a incline

[plain violet]

Sometimes it's also like this.

[plain violet]

When the ground change a little bit yes.

Or obstacle.

[plain violet]

Yes for now

[cunning fossil]

Yeesh

[plain violet]

Yeah.. pretty big. ^^'

[cunning fossil]

Yeah hope that gets fixed Asap

[plain violet]

Hope it too!

[livid walrus]

it hard to see but when the tip appears and wish you to click char info , the flash will be misplaced as if it was on old ui

[cunning fossil]

Oof

[dense plover]

servers still up?

[silent urchin]

yes

beta at least, dunno about ptr

[dense plover]

im trying something since i only have 8 days of gametime left - i preordered the expac

maybe ill get flagged for beta this time, and if not, its not like i wasnt going to buy it eventually

[deep pawn]

I got beta without preordering

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ember blaze]

no build today i guess

[dense plover]

i mean - its 3pm

still time

but could be tomorrow

[ionic terrace]

Should be getting build 10.0.0.45661 on PTR at some point

[deep pawn]

ptr isn't down yet

[dense plover]

yeah its looking less likely

but theres still a chance

[deep pawn]

so I'm guessing 45661 was a vendor build yesterday?

[ionic terrace]

Today yes

[modest harness]

Is there a list of specializations for each profession yet?

[deep pawn]

ptr still up

[dense plover]

yeah almost definitely not today

its 7pm PST

[deep pawn]

I hope they do both tomorrow rather than beta build delayed to Thursday

[dense plover]

well there was another vendor build 20 min ago

[deep pawn]

ptr?

[uncut vault]

beta

[deep pawn]

oh, sweet, so maybe both tomorrow then

[cunning fossil]

<@&299347348847329281>

we got a b o t

thx mods

[plain violet]

It's a bit of a bad meme but I created that after doing some dracthyr hidden quests. They really give this feeling.

[crystal pond]

More like this then

[plain violet]

It does work! :')
Let's say that Neltharion was chilling... then not really and Malygos "you did WHAT?"
At first I was tempted to show the others dragons like Cadance. 😁

[uncut vault]

I feel like given the context of the starting zone, this fits wrathion and ebonhorn better 😛

especially since theyre brothers

[glass flicker]

Sabellian and Wrathion are brothers, too.

It just so happens that Sabellian is a loner.

I'm sure he's the deadbeat type.

[plain violet]

Yeah I was referencing the Malygos/Neltharion "brothers" part during the dracthyr hidden quest. 😁

Where Malygos help Neltharion just because he like him, without knowing and then Neltharion tell him the truth.. He is "okay let's not tell anyone, we'll take care of this"

[glass flicker]

Malygos was weird, tbh.

His Visage form was a high elf with bug legs.

[plain violet]

There is a "normal visage form", if I remember right, and once he started to go crazy, his visage form too. But yeah. He totally was weird.

[ionic terrace]

wasn't the valdrakken realm forum post pinned

[crystal pond]

Malygos and Neltharion not a biological brothers but they are bros its fact

[glass flicker]

Whomst'd pingeth me?

[crystal pond]

Discord being dumb
Sorry
Was saying that Malygos visage in hearthstone is really good

[plain violet]

Yup totally, Malygos call him his brother each time.

That's adorable.

[crystal pond]

Bromance

[uncut vault]

huh, neat

orb of deception just chooses a random enemy faction race for dracthyr

[glass flicker]

Doesn't it do the same for pandaren?

[ember blaze]

is there still no hints at the night elf seed? 🤔

[plain violet]

Niiice!

[plain violet]

Not yet, but a zone seem obvious.

[uncut vault]

all of the max level story is encrypted and so far untested

[plain violet]

Yeah and some tweets were talking about massive content that will only be available at launch.

[ionic terrace]

I somehow managed to get the skin of the proto-drake on my scrapforged mechaspider

big

lmao oh god

i managed to do it again with mammoth

[ember blaze]

which one?

[plain violet]

Ohn'ara plains, far west, a big gap.

(in the sea)

[ionic terrace]

ooh this will be nice for legacy content

[deep pawn]

in what way?

[ionic terrace]

when you don't want to outright kill something

for like achievements or something

[silent urchin]

there's quests that require it too, although there's already https://www.wowhead.com/item=137663/soft-foam-sword

[gloomy tangle]

I don't think the foam one is usable in dungeons but I could be wrong

[ember blaze]

according to comments, it's not

[deep pawn]

I really hope we get a build today

[gloomy tangle]

I just got a 3.6gb update for retail

[ionic terrace]

ptr is down, so build for that at some point

and i assume beta after

but like last week, i'm betting most of the changes will be in the ptr build

[silent urchin]

Probably

[ionic terrace]

let us start a summoning circle
for implemented login screen/music
🕯️🕯️

[dense plover]

Music is probably gonna drop 2 weeks before prepatch

And it might just be one theme for each zone and then the login theme

And then the rest of the music will probably be added between then and launch since it doesn’t need to be in prepatch