beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

But I think they’re still mists or newer

Wouldn’t mind seeing some legion dungeons return to M+

I kinda miss The Maw

One of my most memorable times during legion was solo tanking Helya in the Maw for the last 10% of her health in a +4 super early into M+

Back when brewmaster wasn’t just strong but totally fucking broken

[cunning fossil]

I fucked up my wording sorry

I meant to say

WHICH old dungeons

I know we have Jade Serpent and Court of Stars(?)

[cunning fossil]

I thought u talked about the black abyss of lameness for a second lmao

[dense plover]

No I mean the legion dungeon maw of souls

[cunning fossil]

Oh I know. Tha's why I said thought

[deep pawn]

given Ion's comments amount the holidays and the "start of our DF tier" it's coming before Christmas.

[crystal pond]

Yeah ppl speculating that it early-december or late-november

[austere gazelle]

In case you didn't notice, four legion dungeons are not in the timewalk rotation, those four will sure be in the season rotation

six if we count the seat of the triumvirate and Violet hold

[harsh wedge]

Violet hold wouldn’t be in M+ so 5 at most

Wasn’t even a m+ during legion

[deep pawn]

We have a mop and a legion dungeon so far. I'd expect maybe the third place WoD dungeon. If max variety I suppose BfA hasn't been seen in 2 years so we could do one of them.

That'd give us one dungeon from each of the mop - BfA era.

Or if the goal is to have less portals in Valdrakken, Arcway and stormstout brewery.

A season where we can get the sets from cos and arc would be fun

[rain cave]

give me UBRS from WoD

I'm begging you

[dense plover]

I feel like that would be too short for M+

I don’t even think it’s in the LFD queue

[deep pawn]

ubrs isn't short?

Yeah, it's 5 bosses and a fair bit of trash

[deft carbon]

Is there any NPC model of this drake on wowhead's database I can watch in 3D?

[rain cave]

and RP

it's way longer than something like maw of souls

plus it has unique proc effect items!

[uncut vault]

there used to be, but it got its model changed sadly

[dense plover]

it did?

[uncut vault]

Yeah the green dragon at the end of Ohnahran plains that used it now uses the wyvern drake model

[deep pawn]

surprised at only one post today

[dense plover]

OH

i thought you meant they got rid of the model from existence

[austere gazelle]

So we have npc easter eggly named after the tauren folk tales in dragonflight.. which enforces my point about the dragon isles being the place where - according to the taurens - Elune and An'she seeded life with the elementals and the earthmother

[plain violet]

Interesting...

[deft carbon]

I found 2 models in Wowhead its called Emerald Serpent. And another one looks like a mount

Serpent-Like Dragon Companion

Maybe Blizz just reworking their animations or something. Those dragons looks really cool, but animation of flying is horrible (as for me xD)

[austere gazelle]

sorry I double posted the same image, it's the last one

[austere gazelle]

honestly this serpent / snake animation give me the pukes

[plain violet]

Thanks!

So I understand why we could see it as it..

Easter egg surely, but still interesting to show the family this way.

[austere gazelle]

Yeah and that it was put precisely on the DI. Could have been in Mulgore and else since the time...

[crystal pond]

Its using golden snake animation

Heart of the aspects or something
This golden like dragon soul mount

[deft carbon]

Yep, I know :)

[crystal pond]

And lets just remeber that this sceleton was used for store mount

[plain violet]

Agree agree, especially since they were already some taurens... Maybe we will heard more of it during the expansion.

[austere gazelle]

yeah it's maybe the original birthplace of the taurens. Maybe we'll learn more about their true origins. would explains why the Yaungols would be in a place nearby ( northrend ) and also the highmountains more to the south ( broken isles )

[plain violet]

Could be, you're right, as taurens became after the well. 🤔

But they were described on the central mass, and unless the dragon isles were not isles before the sundering... It will be complicated.

But I do think some in Blizzard want to tell more about tauren truth.

[austere gazelle]

Xalatath told us that there is an unknown tale to the Taurens in Legion

" They are formidably resilient to corruption, considering their origins "

[glass flicker]

Moo.

[austere gazelle]

I'm positvely sur the DI were part of the central mass

some of the feature of actual DI match those in the OG Kalimdor map

There is a particular river stream that match one of the zone of DI on the north western part of the Kalimdor map

[plain violet]

I do remember that yes! That triggered me, as it could be interesting. And especially, the dialogues in HR, were void beings were clearly interested into the HR.

[plain violet]

Interesting...

[rain cave]

They aren't

Weren't

The cinematic trailer shows they were far off shore

[austere gazelle]

no, the cinematic happens after the sundering, so we have no way to know

" The world has been sundered " per Alex's words

plus, you see the maelstrom from afar, but only the top of it ( cause the world is round ) so the horizon don't show what's between the maelstrom and the isles ( broken isles and such )

[rain cave]

Idk man I think everyone's established that it's pre sundering

Since the cinematic is happening at the same time as it

[austere gazelle]

this " everyone " didn't pay attention to the cinematic then ^^ " been sundered " "world cries out in pain " pretty much implies it happened after

[rain cave]

Ok but then how can it be the dragon Isles

If it wasn't an isle

The cinematic happens at the same time as the Sundering

That's why they all leave

[austere gazelle]

I think it's an headcanon tbh.

[plain violet]

There is also a side quest talking that the decision of leaving is post betrayal of black dragonflight (that was during the sundering)

[austere gazelle]

Sundering happens => dragons came back to their sanctuary to protect it while its chaos outside.
Dust settle, they decided to leave their sanctuary to helps the world

[rain cave]

The contiments don't instantly move apart

They leave when the Sundering starts

And you can see they're an Isle

[austere gazelle]

man, look at this shoreline...
it already happened

[rain cave]

What

What about the shore

[austere gazelle]

' has been ' sundered , she didn't say " the world is being sundered "

[plain violet]

The sundering was also really, really fast.

[austere gazelle]

Everything in this cinematic said it happened after the land was swallowed

[plain violet]

Eghty percent of the landmass just goes "boom" and crash into the bottom of the sea.

[rain cave]

But you can literally see

It's during

[austere gazelle]

no, the maelstrom didnt settle just one second after the sundering, it was churning for a while I guess

[rain cave]

There's a giant fel rift in the sky

It's literally during the Sunderimg

[plain violet]

We could search the centaur things, maybe. I don't remember if they used boats to go to the isles ?

[austere gazelle]

I think we can agree that it's unclear, but the sentence do say it happened after because " has been " means it just happened, or happened, not that its ongoing

[rain cave]

Yes the centaurs came by boat

[plain violet]

And that was before the sundering, this..

(but during the war)

Wait. 🤔

[rain cave]

The sundering is the thing that caused the continents to drift

And land to sink

Doesn't mean it was instant

[plain violet]

The centaurs came to the dragon isles because of the war of the ancients...

Instant not maybe. Really fast? Yes, they were suddenly 80% of the continent that was at the bottom of the sea, and only see around was was before a part of landmass.

[rain cave]

And we can see in the cinematic it's during

[plain violet]

I do agree, there is still green light.

[rain cave]

So the sundering had happened, just not the ramifications

Or those were happening

[plain violet]

Oh.

No, they didn't used boat.

They only "walked" trougt Kalimdor.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZwfk5_VQAABIM2?format=png&name=small

[rain cave]

They're on the wrong side

[plain violet]

Strange...

I mean, the centaur origin story is during the war, but they roamed on hooves Kalimdor until they found the plains.

[rain cave]

I think maybe the blessed by the wind thing is important here

[plain violet]

They do talk about isles after (and after the sundering), but they talk only about walking across Kalimdor when they came.

[rain cave]

And I swear that in the original reveal they said something like they got here by boat

[plain violet]

Because guiding their hooves were to be, but it doesn't imply they were flying or something, just well.. travelling and guided.

I could think so, but it make sense that centaurs didn't have boats at first...

That would need to be explained. 🤔

But the theory of dragon isles not being an isles at first could be, or there is something contradictory to their origin story (could be too)

[austere gazelle]

I mean I'm just standing on the clue, blizzard is not really subtle and most of the time what is said is what it is, unless retcon of big changes at the last minutes ( IE : Jailer's design )

[rain cave]

Yeah I'm not saying they're being subtle

Because I'm just going with what was shown in the trailer

They showed us dragons going away because of the sundering, during the sundering

[austere gazelle]

there is also this

I mean this is too much a coincidence that the place share same setting as on the OG kalimdor map. I don't think I'm seeing things ^^

Can someone tell me where are located the NecroGnolls settlement on the Azure span ?

[rain cave]

I don't see it on the map

Waking shores are a shore but you're pointing the an inland area

And keep in mind it's called the dragon Isles

We don't have another name for it I think

[austere gazelle]

Yeah, so Pandaria was always named Pandaria ? We don't know .

[rain cave]

They left during the sundering dog

Why would they rename their continent

5 minutes before leaving

Also the area you're circling doesn't work for another reason

Unless you can somehow fit a northrend sized continent in there

[austere gazelle]

So... The dragon isles were originally setted up between the EK and northrend, and were always called dragon isles. But their original location meant that they weren't an isle before.

[rain cave]

It's not the dragon Isles

The dragon Isles are big

[austere gazelle]

Like Kul Tiras. it was supposed to fit into the baradin bay at first, then became a huge landmass

Gameplay and coolness, unfortunately, sometime prevail on Lore

[rain cave]

kultiras isn't a huge landmass though

[austere gazelle]

I'm not saying that the map proves my point, but this area was inspired by what I shown above

[rain cave]

the dragon isles are literally bigger than northrend

I think

[austere gazelle]

yeah but is wasn't always this in the lore, they tweaked it to make it an interesting " continent " to explore

[rain cave]

also if they weren't always an isle

why would they have a beacon to hide the isle

[austere gazelle]

We don't even know what is this beacon yet, and what is the purpose. ( the real one )

[rain cave]

well we know it hides the isles

[austere gazelle]

Yeah, but there might be a reason for this. only Tyr knows

[rain cave]

I'm not even sure how this view is possible

if we're viewing from tyrhold we should be seeing the plains/ azure span, no?

[austere gazelle]

well do you see new york from France?

[rain cave]

no but I am however aware of artistic license

to me this shows "the dragons left the dragon ISLES because the sundering was happening and they were going to protect mortals"

and the world

[austere gazelle]

Maybe that's the other way around 😏 and it solves both problems

let me explain xD

[rain cave]

the stayed at the dragon isles because there was no sundering and they wanted to kill mortals

?

which part

[austere gazelle]

There, this is the answer ! sounds like a #trollLogic

but it works , explains why it seems really far away, and why the view is from TyrHold

[rain cave]

bruh

they can literally see around a sphere to that degree?

[glass flicker]

The Maelstrom has been getting closer to Kalimdor for a while. Funny that.

[austere gazelle]

Well, if DI is away from the Original landmass, it's the same issue, no ?

[rain cave]

not really

there's a difference between being in the same vague area and looking around an entire sphere

[austere gazelle]

Well, since the view is from Tyr Hold, that the only logical explanation for now. Unless we've been trolled and the map is actually reversed, or the dragon isles is between pandaria and Kalimdor

Since they said it was located between Northrend and the EK, for the moment we'll have to wait and see...

[rain cave]

we don't actually know where they are on the map do we

we can guess but

we haven't seen it on the world map

[glass flicker]

It could be just south of Northrend.

[austere gazelle]

Well on one of the Asmongold stream it show the players location in the sea right where I put it, no world map, but the location seemed to be there

Until I have a beta access, I can't really check, so have to grasp at straws

even wowpedia placed it somewhere there :

[rain cave]

I was kind of surprised at its placement

I was assuming it would be in north west

maybe off the map or something

[austere gazelle]

well, it was the original placement of the Dragon Isles on the early Wow Map ^^

[rain cave]

because all the dragons are found in a kind of equal radius from a place in north west

tanaris, wyrmrest, cloud drakes, stormheim,

[austere gazelle]

I'm not saying I'm right, just gathering clues, without definitive answers

[rain cave]

and then the black dragons went further because they are outcasts

were

[plain violet]

At first, Neltharion was in Highmountain, pretty close of the well.

[rain cave]

that too

[austere gazelle]

Either way, since the Nazjatar / Nzoth's prison location fiasco, I've no faith in Blizzard doing things accordingly to chronicles or the established lore 😦

Maybe they'll do like Nazjatar, avoid putting it on the world's map to hide a potential mistake 😢

[cunning fossil]

J

[austere gazelle]

k

[cunning fossil]

Sry checking my shit data

[dense plover]

Location fiasco?

I don’t remember any fiasco

[austere gazelle]

If you follow the lore there is a huge inconsistencies.
Nazjatar is supposed to be below the Maelstrom, Nzoth prison location near Vashjir ( there was even a raid planned in cataclysm with him there )
Nzoth body cant be near Nazjatar or the Maelstrom
Or Nazjatar has been retconned out of the Maelstrom, but Thalyssra says that they are near the Maelstrom during Nazjatar * intro

[rain cave]

I mean

did we ever have a hard confirmation about all of that

[austere gazelle]

Yeah, in Chronicles.

[rain cave]

and thalyssra wasn't around in vashjir

lol

[austere gazelle]

I meant Nazjatar

my bad

[rain cave]

oh

I mean kultiras and zandalar are near the malestrom anyway

so

[austere gazelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQdpYT3pDew&ab_channel=Kiraser☮️

Since Nazjatar and Zin Azshari ( whose ruins are in Nazjatar ) were always pictured as being near the shore of the well, nothing fits

[ember blaze]

i hear no build today 🤔

[cunning fossil]

From where?

[dense plover]

I always figured we were just seeing a tiny part of nazjatar since it’s the biggest city on Azeroth

[ember blaze]

streamer rumors 😂 we'll see

[austere gazelle]

Even so, to reach Nzoth's location, that would mean it would span across Kul Tiras. It just mean its a retcon. I can live with it if we had a proper placement on the world map in game. We didn't, so we're left with " ???? "

[uncut vault]

The issue is, the nazjatar we see in game has the water flooding in from the east, and is shown as the western border of the city

Whereas if it was anywhere near Nzoth’s location, that westernmost part of the city would be the maelstrom haha

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I guess it didn’t bother me that much

Also don’t we teleport to the entrance to the prison?

[austere gazelle]

We can see it from afar before we teleport....Tbh that would have resolved the issue

[dense plover]

Or experience some kind of travel sequence?

[austere gazelle]

You can even see the chains of the Prison before we take this portal ^^

( its from a youtube video, couldn't find a clear shot )

they can even correct it in game right now to solve the lore issue. Remove this " sight " from Za'qul and make it seems the portal take us elsewhere on azeroth. Even show some Vasjhir feature from afar during the Azshara's encounter. there, fixed.

[uncut lintel]

post gay dragon frogs

they r cute

also skyrim references

[deep pawn]

One Theorycraft person in another discord said the rumblings was Thursday for a build

[austere gazelle]

since they went late for the previous release make sense that it impacted the next one

[sullen dawn]

Short answer is they didn't think about it

I wish they'd put nazjatar on the world map for consistency and knowing where it actually is

[deep pawn]

The well is supposed to be pretty large eh? I don't know if it was inland sea large though to have the horizon look like that shot.

[austere gazelle]

if it was that large, it would have englobed Kul Tiras and we would have seen Kaldorei ruins everywhere there 😦

[plain violet]

It was supposed to be really huge, yes.

[tawdry jay]

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[cunning fossil]

What the fuck

[plain violet]

The.. ?

Fuck ?

To say, there were cities around the well with coasts.

[deep pawn]

I know the end of time dungeons was a very scaled down well.

[plain violet]

Yes, it was! Even on the map, we can see the well was enormous enough.

[deep pawn]

Blizzard seems to say the isles are north east of Quel Danas but that doesn't make a ton of sense with the coast as we see it.

[trail knot]

/wh-help

[plain violet]

I do agree Kyle. From the video it seem to have nothing between...

[rain cave]

I mean the island was probably thrown around during the sundering

idk

we'll probably get more explanation as we go on

[upper pasture]

and some people will complain and say its a retcon. these are just facts of life

[plain violet]

Maybe...

But obviously, the expansion will have many more infos that contradict our own beliefs.

[mossy meteor]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-priests/1279512/74

[ionic terrace]

the next alpha update

aaaaaaaa

[cunning fossil]

Oooh

Well they said so

[upper pasture]

oh man, shield is getting a buff but now has a CD? but also renew and flash heal applies atonement

hmmmm...

maybe ill try disc again

[cunning fossil]

Searing nightmare removed

DUB

[deep pawn]

The priest discords are terrifying right now. Focused will is melting down

[plain violet]

The ping for porn was really unnecessary.

I can accept that people accepting gameplay-related ping but melting over it is not nice, but this reaction was really immature.

[cunning fossil]

I'm confused what porn ping

[upper pasture]

@cunning fossil

[cunning fossil]

Well yes I understand that the Priest discord is probably creaming themselves but it doesn't mean they're necessarily being +18

Lmao.i saw that in the link

Hilarious shit

[rain cave]

is searing nightmare the one that does something with shadow word pain?

[plain violet]

The admin pinged with Mario gaping his... well. Ass.

[rain cave]

LOL

[cunning fossil]

LMAO

[plain violet]

People complained about it, and then it started a shitshow about "lol leave"

[crystal pond]

Is they droped new build already?

[plain violet]

Not yet!

[cunning fossil]

Not yet but this is coming

Druid post probably coming soon

[crystal pond]

🍿

[plain violet]

I am eager for the druid post.

[crystal pond]

Is the next build is beta or still alpha?

[plain violet]

Alpha still!

[deep pawn]

Disc are in shambles over having to cast renew and flash heal.

[plain violet]

It could be an interesting play.

[deep pawn]

Shadow Mend had a cool spell effect but was never really a big deal to me.

Also continues the trend of removing most throughput from class trees.

I'm expecting paladins and probably rogues to eventually lose a bunch of theirs

I don't know if they can do that with mage and also keep the fun cross spec stuff

[cunning fossil]

How so? It's more reliable than using Power Word Shield

At least IMO

I always had.trouble spreading PWS around, especially with the debuff It had

[deep pawn]

"But why am I casting holy spells! Imt a disc priest!"

[cunning fossil]

They really forgot that they're supposed to do both I'm dead

[deep pawn]

Lots of disc saying they aren't resubbing haha

[plain violet]

They are too fast, the build isn't even out..

[cunning fossil]

It's typical wow player behaviors

I bet none of them have even TOUCHED alpha

Wow players be like "Give us Big changes blizz our class sucks!!"
Blizz: Finally makes big changes
WoW Players: "NOO NOT LIKE THATTT"

Also this makes the left side of the tree way more appealing to Disc priest

[crystal pond]

Ppl just dont understand what they really want
Or getting it and it becoming a disaster

[cunning fossil]

Since a lot of the talents there are about buffing your holy spells

Everyone wants their class to be good and fun

That's fair

But complaining about every change made isn't exactly good

[crystal pond]

mages just being overpowered the entire time

But not arcane spec duh

[deep pawn]

I'm curious to see what they do with warrior, rogue, and mage class trees since they've clearly decided throughput should be a Spec tree thing

[cunning fossil]

To be fair, I would think that they are OK with through put being in the Class tree

But not too much

And right now I wouldn't say there is a ton of through put in those trees

At least not compared to hunter.

Like hunter has a quite a few big throughput talents in their class tree but not too many I feel

[dense plover]

Damage balance hasn’t really happened yet

Once we move into beta, we should expect talent trees to slow down or stop having changes and for the focus to be on actual tuning

Getting the rotation right is the most important part of these changes before they need to bother with tuning

[crystal pond]

I mean
Since they existing from the start of the game
Its not only about df

[livid walrus]

Do you remember this?

This is how it looks when it gets pulled.

[ionic terrace]

pog

looks good to me

[livid walrus]

And this is not all of them in this pic. Lol

[plain violet]

Oh, my.

[crystal pond]

Cpu go brrrrrr

[dense plover]

I’m assuming next build is tomorrow since wrath prepatch is today

[plain violet]

That would be logical...

[deep pawn]

I've heard thursday

[uncut vault]

the priest post said "in the next alpha update" rather than the usual " with todays update" so probably yeah

[ember blaze]

streamers alluding to thursday

[uncut lintel]

theyve come to rule

[austere gazelle]

Yeah like the Dragonriding stuff... It's probably a nerf to the fun, but lot of ppl yell at it without even having touched it... I'm still waiting to get into beta to test the DH change and make my mind up about it and I don't understand ppl who are triggered by change they did not test.

Maybe it was feeling totally OP and broken and those nerf were needed to make the classe " balanced "
(Excluding the actual time were questionable changes were made and felt unnecessary )

[sullen dawn]

Which change was this?

[austere gazelle]

The dragonriding change? The flight speed

[sullen dawn]

I thought that was only for drakthyr outside of dragon isles

Dragon riding itself didn't seem to change?

[austere gazelle]

Soar if you want, I encompassed it by making it general, my bad

[sullen dawn]

Yeh sorry was confused thought all DF got a nerf :p

[ionic terrace]

anyone able to check if realms are up/down?

oh ptr is down??

weird

[dense plover]

My guess is it’s probably gonna be used to test the fated stuff for the charity event

Or they’re trying to triple check some AH stuff that’s been breaking

[ionic terrace]

perhaps

[dense plover]

Very much doubt DF going to ptr this early. It would kill live servers

[ionic terrace]

i want to say it's too early yeah

[dense plover]

They haven’t done any balance passes

[ionic terrace]

i guess we'll see in a bit

[dense plover]

Also they literally said “next alpha build” for the priest changes

It could also be they took down the servers since they don’t need them

[ionic terrace]

i agree but they also tend to leave them up

[dense plover]

They’ve been doing a better job of removing them so people can’t just use them like free servers

[ionic terrace]

have they?

[mossy meteor]

indeed

[dense plover]

They started pulling them down between expacs in Legion I think

[mossy meteor]

during off-seasons

[ionic terrace]

like they were up yesterday

[dense plover]

Might’ve been warlords

Once the final patch before prepatch is up, they will take them offline

[mossy meteor]

i vaguely remember them being down before 9.1.5

[ionic terrace]

i sometimes check to see if they are up/down

[dense plover]

They don’t want them to be free servers and they cost money and man hours to run

[mossy meteor]

they also break quests

[dense plover]

So it might just be them coming down for the between expac break

It’s about the right time for it

[ionic terrace]

just playing the waiting game now

if something pops up, cool, if not, cool

[mossy meteor]

so if the supposed pre-patch date is correct (late october-ish)

when can we expect it on the ptr

[ionic terrace]

yeah that's what i mean, i want to say it's too early but at the same time...

this is prob the most "complete" alpha

[mossy meteor]

people in the content creator discord keep saying alpha on thursday

i guess they wanted to focus on wrath launch

[ionic terrace]

someone on mmo-c said alpha was down but ofc i can't check

[dense plover]

I don’t think that date is right tbh

[ionic terrace]

oh

[dense plover]

That means they have a month to get it on ptr

[ionic terrace]

marl tweeted

[dense plover]

We don’t have veng DH, druids still need work

[mossy meteor]

i was about to ping porter

[dense plover]

None of the raid content is tested

[ionic terrace]

peach

[dense plover]

No heroic or m+ dungeon testing

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/Marlamin/status/1565070910960406532

Martin Benjamins (@Marlamin)

In something that wasn't on my bingo card for this month, PTR went down for maintenance and is being patched up to 10.0 (likely in a pre-patch state going off previous PTRs).

No clue when they're coming back online, might not even be today, but that's why they're down.

Twitter · Aug 31, 2022, 8:15 PM

[ionic terrace]

yeah

[dense plover]

Huh

Well it could be balance and content testing will be separate

IE test class balance and such on ptr

Iterate on new content for alpha beta

[mossy meteor]

and get more feedback on the trees

[dense plover]

But it being patched doesn’t mean it will be public ally available

[ionic terrace]

yeah

[dense plover]

I also can’t see them doing it without Druid tweaks

[mossy meteor]

the problem is, you're testing the incomplete trees (assuming we're capped at 60)

[dense plover]

Because that leaves them open to so much bad PR

[dense plover]

Kinda needs to be tested tbh

Prepatch won’t have level 70 trees

They might also want to test leveling

[ionic terrace]

pre-patch balance is something yeah

[mossy meteor]

right

[dense plover]

Could be testing mage tower and other old content too

[mossy meteor]

that makes sense

@uncut vault are you around atm? can you confirm if alpha is down

[dense plover]

But yeah, even if they patch ptr to 10.0, they have to send out a client build and bring servers online before the significance of that fully matters

I’m curious about how they plan to get all the balancing done in 2 months assuming the dates are real

[ionic terrace]

it's been a bit hard to confirm if they are down lmao

[dense plover]

Personally I see them doing prepatch a bit later, expac right after thanksgiving and then raid in January

[uncut vault]

realms are down

[mossy meteor]

oh damn

[dense plover]

I think doing expac earlier than that could put the raids near the holidays again and that’s no good

[ionic terrace]

[mossy meteor]

i wonder if they're pushing a build tonight

or it's related to ptr also being down

[dense plover]

People hated how shadowlands first raid was right before Christmas

[ionic terrace]

today might be a big day

yeah

[dense plover]

They can’t do that again

They said they wouldn’t

So I think if the prepatch is late October, expac is late nov early dec, raid is mid January

[mossy meteor]

honestly i really hope the raid is january

[uncut vault]

tbh, delaying it to the new year might also help with story stuff

[dense plover]

Plus they can make money during literally the least profitable month of the year

It would look really good for Q1

[mossy meteor]

that means i can take a nice christmas/new years vacation before the madness that's RWF

[uncut vault]

WoW's always had a big issue with launch raids where theyre supposed to be the culmination of the leveling and max level stories

but come out way too soon

[dense plover]

Yep

Especially with the PvE world stuff related to the raid

[uncut vault]

they kinda solved it in Legion but then stopped doing that in BfA and Shadowlands lol

[dense plover]

Dropping it so soon would be a waste

[ionic terrace]

have fun with rfw ophin

fwf

i can't type today

[mossy meteor]

sepulcher was the first rwf i worked on lol

and it ended up being the longest one

[ionic terrace]

you are cursed

sorry

[mossy meteor]

[deep pawn]

BUILD!

woo

[mossy meteor]

the first post raid of the xpac is always easy

nathria - barely 8 days

uldir also barely 8 days

we don't talk about EN

[dense plover]

? I don’t think it’s dropped yet

[deep pawn]

I meant today in general

[dense plover]

Oh lol

Yeah

Hope we might start to see Druid changes

But them following through on priest stuff is good

I also hope we get more monk changes

[deep pawn]

really shocked at no druid or paladin post before this

[dense plover]

Healer early stuff and the roll stuff need to change

There’s just a lot of bloat and button split for monk

And meanwhile other classes get new abilities or stuff rolled into the ability

I want new stuff that isn’t just covenant powers

Like - let me summon chi ji as a tank like I could in 8.3 as a companion

That was sick

[deep pawn]

eh, it's whatever, if giving us more options means them not creating things from whole cloth, it's fine

[dense plover]

I don’t need new necessarily

Monk just feels rough

Druid is weird and balance Druid just needs changes for starfall

The cast while moving talent is bad

It shouldn’t add a cooldown

It’s one of the only AoE spenders

[deep pawn]

there should be a downside to the utility

like people use starfall single target to move don't they?

[uncut vault]

Might be a matter of not being ready for this build, but also might just be a matter of some devs posting differently

IE the hunter dev posts stuff on fridays before the next build

vs others posting the day of the build

[deep pawn]

hopefully no issues and we can see it soon

[plain violet]

Interesting...

(for the PTR)

[deep pawn]

we had a 2 month ptr for SL

[crystal pond]

Its gonna be a big suprise if they drop ptr build for df today-tommorow

[deep pawn]

wouldn't be a massive shock

I can't remember if 9.0 ptr was up before the delay was announced

[crystal pond]

But they can and they will balance stuff even on ptr

Who cares if its broken when its testing still

[dense plover]

I mean - why would they? You can just starsurge - that’s instant cast I think

It’s only helpful as an AoE. They could literally drop the move while casting

What balance Druid needs is something they can have as a spender in AoE

So it can’t be tied to a major cooldown

[deep pawn]

Like the balance mage tower challenge was only doable cause you could cast while moving, that's just a massive utility

so did the ptr vendor update again?

Perhaps just remove the ability to cast and move from Starfall into its own cd.

[dense plover]

Yes

This

Exactly that

Literally druids need an AoE spender on the same type of cooldown as starsurge

[deep pawn]

But that just makes it spirit walkers grace

[dense plover]

Because they build up power at the same rate in both situations but can’t spend it at the same rate

[deep pawn]

We could be in an expansion where Starfall isn't cast again.

[dense plover]

Honestly it wouldn’t be as bad if it wasn’t as long of a cooldown and didn’t block off some of the fun talents behind it

[dense plover]

If they don’t change it we might be

It’s a 12 sec cooldown

It’s gross

[deep pawn]

what's the duration of starfall

[dense plover]

Less - 7 sec I think

[sullen dawn]

Still dreaming of a balance build which is fully cast while moving

[deep pawn]

realz playing around in dh discord with a copium emote about vdh trees today

[barren vigil]

anyone know how long the alphas down for?

[deep pawn]

no telling

We'll probably find out fast in here

[dense plover]

My guess is unless something goes wrong, we should see a build in the next hour or so

Maybe 2 hours

[tropic trail]

Do we have any idea if profession racials are being changed

[cunning fossil]

I don't see why tbh

[deep pawn]

f5'ing for update notes

[barren vigil]

regular dwarves need a drastic change...they have archeology and its been a trashed prof for 2 expansions now lol

[tropic trail]

Dracthyr are getting Perception bonuses, Dwarves have shit racials with a bonus to a dead skill, the actual amount of bonus given by multiple profession racials is all over the place

[deep pawn]

I'm gonna go shower, surely it'll happen then haha

[deep pawn]

though some are saying 0 chance tonight even with the servers down

Which would be different to how they've normally operated this alpha

[dense plover]

theres still time

we have gotten builds as late as 8

and last time it stayed offline, we got a notice on the forums

[deep pawn]

That's what I say

I think they should want at least 3 business days to respond to vengeance feedback before officially starting beta. Since beta isn't this week we're potentially down to a 7 week one.

[dense plover]

i think they will do druid changes before beta

my guess is this is the 2nd or 3rd to last build

[deep pawn]

you think they'll launch beta and ptr at the same time?

[dense plover]

i think ptr is going to be offline for a month

even marlamin doesnt think its coming up soon

[deep pawn]

well 7 weeks to prepatch

[dense plover]

i really doubt that date is right

[deep pawn]

as in you think prepatch will be shorter?

[dense plover]

as in i dont think prepatch is happening then

but idk

maybe we see ptr in 2 weeks

this whole thing has been different

[deep pawn]

I'm thinkin 3 for a 1 month

[cunning fossil]

Wait we have a legit date for DF release?

Or even preparch??

[deep pawn]

not legit, just leaked and Ion either gently confirmed or is trolling

[cunning fossil]

Ahhh

[deep pawn]

The Ion part is if expansion launched on 11/28, then a 2 week pre-season and a heroic raid week would have made the mythic race start Dec 23rd

[upper pasture]

but isn't there rumblings of all difficulties releasing at the same time?

[deep pawn]

He asked an open question during his last interview how the community would feel about it

And said, "With holidays coming up"

So things they have said publicly are "The expansion is on track" and that the release comes before the holidays which may impact raid release timings

[ember blaze]

🙏 please evoker in ptr soon

[deep pawn]

Evoker likely won't be on ptr.

[ember blaze]

evoker is more finished than several main class specs

and with those huge nerfs they got id love for them to get more data on how to tune them

[deep pawn]

My last wild man guess is they're doing it first thing in the morning and that's why it came down tonight, oh well. It'll happen when it happens. Odd no posts.

[dense plover]

yeah something broke

almost definitely not tonight

[deep pawn]

Guess it's so bad they didn't have time to post

[deep pawn]

6am on west coast, let's go build push at 8am when they clock in!

[cunning fossil]

Lol

[deep pawn]

I'm impatient. An entire night down with no communication

[ionic terrace]

apparently there's been a character wipe on the alpha?

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1565328873016811521

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

Looks like there has been a Character wipe on the Dragonflight Alpha.

Is the Dragonflight Beta starting TODAY?

Twitter · Sep 1, 2022, 1:21 PM

[ember blaze]

beta??? 😱

time to follow a million streamers for keys

[deep pawn]

Supposedly the ptr went down at the same time as the alpha last night

[dense plover]

It makes sense

In which case PTR is likely to come up within 1-3 weeks

[ember blaze]

today 🙏

[dense plover]

Unlikely

Not impossible, but unlikely

[deep pawn]

I don't think they'd put ptr up and remove people wanting beta keys.

I'd take it though

Do you think they'd only wipe chars for beta? A character wipe also explains why it was down all night

[sullen dawn]

I think we knew it was gonna be Thursday for a build since the start of this week

It was never coming yesterday

[languid yoke]

people would still want beta keys

ptr doesn't have the continent, level 70, new dungeons, etc.

[mossy meteor]

yeah it did

also yeah, a lot of streamers said it's thursday

and they get their sources from the content creator discord that blizz set up

[trail knot]

so beta today?

[ionic terrace]

https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/1565363632233279489

Zorbrix 💙 (@Zorbrix)

Good morning gamers

Twitter · Sep 1, 2022, 3:39 PM

He knows

[cunning fossil]

He just said good morning lmao

[ionic terrace]

He knows

[errant prairie]

[cunning fossil]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1565386515651432450?t=m001p-Ozowmix6x-qjbBKA&s=19

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

Welcome to the Dragonflight BETA!

Twitter · Sep 1, 2022, 5:10 PM

[ionic terrace]

yeah

[cunning fossil]

BETA

[upper pasture]

Beta. ,.,

[crystal pond]

So
There gonna be raid testing?

[cunning fossil]

Potentially

Though druids have gotten no updates yet

So maybe those changes drop today for it?

[plain violet]

Oh wow....

[crimson jasper]

ohhh nice beta

[uncut lintel]

OMG

[crimson jasper]

things really are on track^^

[uncut lintel]

ITS BETA

dragonflight release when

[pulsar minnow]

Now more of us can get in besides just Porter

Hopefully 😂

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[uncut lintel]

can they release the cinamatic soundtrack yet

of dragonflight

[upper pasture]

i'm bothering my old blizzard guy now. he surely knows someone that still works there right

[dense plover]

Here’s hoping it being beta means I FINALLY get in

[errant prairie]

[cunning fossil]

Big cope energy

Oof

[gloomy tangle]

Welp, time to open and close Battle.Net over and over hoping beta shows up in the game version.

[cunning fossil]

Facts

[dense plover]

Won’t happen until the new build goes out and servers come up

They don’t add new people until after they sent the new build to avoid people redownloading

[gloomy tangle]

Makes sense

[austere gazelle]

Lets cross fingers for a massive beta flag wave then

[cunning fossil]

Fact

[crystal pond]

Yall dont gonna play beta

Because servers dont gonna make it

[upper pasture]

it's literally noon in cali wdym

[crystal pond]

Im mean that servers gonna drop because of wave of ppl

[upper pasture]

i mean, it's not gonna be an open beta so i doubt blizzard is going to invite so many people that will crash the server. i don't think the alpha has been having stability issues

[ionic terrace]

New beta build out

[upper pasture]

good luck everyone!

[ionic terrace]

forums have been renamed too

[uncut lintel]

so

is ptr after beta

?

[plain violet]

In parallel.

[cunning fossil]

Dub

[uncut lintel]

o-o

idk

what that means

[plain violet]

The PTR was updated yesterday to 10.0. :)

[mossy meteor]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23841482/the-world-of-warcraft-dragonflight-beta-test-begins-today

[plain violet]

Youhou!

[upper pasture]

/pray my account is still flagged as F&F from my guy

[cunning fossil]

*Accounts must have an active World of Warcraft subscription or game time to be eligible for beta access selection.

[mossy meteor]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/news/23841481/world-of-warcraft-dragonflight-hud-and-ui-revamp

[plain violet]

New Ability: Intercession – Petition the Light on the behalf of a fallen ally, restoring spirit to body and allowing then to reenter battle with 60% health and at least 20% mana. 2 second cast time for Retribution and Holy specializations, instant cast and requires 3 Holy Power for Protection specialization.

[cunning fossil]

Oooooooh

[cunning fossil]

Awesome

[plain violet]

It is!

I do like the change between casting or holy power.

[uncut lintel]

omg

i really wanna draw dragons rn

[ivory meadow]

bruh

[uncut lintel]

WHEN CAN WE HAVE

DRAGONFLIGHT CINAMATIC THEME SONG

im this desperate

[ivory meadow]

Peach, I hope you have game time.

[upper pasture]

someone gifted him some i believe.

[uncut lintel]

that ui

[cunning fossil]

I love that they're gonna have more ui options in the future

Since they say there js more

[uncut lintel]

if its gets to bartender level

id use it

[cunning fossil]

Players can now share loadout talent builds with each other. To share your current loadout with another player of your same specialization, players can click the Share button in the Loadout dropdown. This will copy a series of letters and numbers that can be shared with other players. To import a talent loadout, players can click the Import Loadout button in the same dropdown to paste the talent loadout text.

We hope that this feature makes it easier for players to share talent loadouts with their friends and members of their communities.

Wooooh

[plain violet]

Do someone have the animation for Fury of the Aspect spell of Evokers?

[upper pasture]

oh look disc gets a talent that takes off the CD on shield

[mossy meteor]

no druid changes

[uncut lintel]

druid being abondoned for evokers

[upper pasture]

EXCUSE ME

SOUPERVISOR title

[uncut lintel]

what

[upper pasture]

There’s a new title listed in beta notes

Soupervisor “name”

[deep pawn]

wait, ptr definitely updated?

[errant prairie]

idk about PTR but BETA is up

[ivory meadow]

are we seeing invites going out?

[errant prairie]

yeah people have been getting BETA inv

[deep pawn]

not for me though, rip

[mossy meteor]

same

no beta for me yet

not enough clout

[crimson jasper]

yea no beta here, blizz hates me it seems ah well xD

[uncut vault]

Nozdormu got recast :((

[ivory meadow]

oh?

[uncut vault]

wide nozdormu was not intended lol

[austere gazelle]

wait... we have to opt-in again?

[pulsar minnow]

no

[austere gazelle]

apparently yes, they said so on their beta announce, and I could opt in again while I already did it before the alpha... :x

[cunning fossil]

Nice

[dense plover]

If they sent out a wave, I haven’t gotten in

[dense plover]

You can opt in multiple times - the page doesn’t remember between browser sessions

If you did it once, you should be good

[plain violet]

I didn't got in too, but all my friends, do.. :(

[plain violet]

I love his dialogues.

And the.. downside of knowing all in advance more or less. 😁

[mossy meteor]

i mean his original actor is like

83

so perhaps that's why they wanted to replace

[upper pasture]

IM IN!

😄

[cunning fossil]

Wowww nice!

Gg dude

[upper pasture]

oh yeah time to evoke baby

[crystal pond]

Im disapointed

Old noz was good

[cunning fossil]

Legit no fair

[pulsar minnow]

For me it said I was already opted in 🤷‍♂️

[cunning fossil]

Protection Warrior-adin

[austere gazelle]

yeah... I think for the other Beta it was still selected as opted in. There are several time I came back and see that I need to click on the button again for DF

[cunning fossil]

I really just wanna play DF so bad

[upper pasture]

I wish you got in 😦

It’s likely I was always going to get beta invite since my friend likely added me to a F&F list when he got me into the immortal beta

[uncut lintel]

ok flex

[cunning fossil]

Lmao big flex

PROUD flex tho

Good for u enjoy DF and make Peach proud

Report every bug

[uncut lintel]

@upper pasture if u see any dragon cats

<. <

ping me

[upper pasture]

Will squash every bug I find

[austere gazelle]

that where DI's are. Asmongold said it on his stream since early alpha

[upper pasture]

Wait a second

Addons too?

[crystal pond]

Im dying from this title
"champion, the place holder hero"

[uncut vault]

https://wow.tools/casc/preview/chash?buildconfig=18e5938e5b4a9b72dfbb1fd6b1a5a6cb&cdnconfig=0c8fbfd15c36697a8cc1a9998cec955d&filename=4675322.ogg&contenthash=0961d10ec752a530dab9ce4ad1387057

theyve gotten a lot better at doing the shift between voice filters

[forest sphinx]

Does anyone have a Prot Paladin build I can use?

[cunning fossil]

Do you have a beta key to give out?

[forest sphinx]

Nope

[cunning fossil]

Then there's your answer

I kid lmao

[dense plover]

Pretty sure Rhadigars job has changed so they are less connected there

I’m trying again with one of the people who offered to try and help me

🤞

[cunning fossil]

You got this brother

[crystal pond]

They finnaly droped music
And its gives heroes of might and magic vibes for some reasons

[ember blaze]

omg

i got in

@uncut linteldid u get in

[dense plover]

Wtf - I think I’m still not in

Does it say you have beta on your account page?

[upper pasture]

i just checked my drop box on my bnet launcher

[languid yoke]

it's just bad luck, got no luck either for the expansion I have most excitement for

[cunning fossil]

Gove me your account

By law

[upper pasture]

first bug!

[cunning fossil]

Woooah

[cunning fossil]

Swag

[uncut lintel]

no i dont sign up for stuff like that

[ember blaze]

making an evoker in your name

[uncut lintel]

[uncut vault]

dragonriding is way buggier this build than last

[tropic trail]

So if you were signed up for alpha, you get beta signup automatically

But it's still given primarily to streamers

[forest sphinx]

and ABK employees

[rare hemlock]

[cunning fossil]

😭

[dense plover]

definitely didnt get into beta this time

😦

[cunning fossil]

I'm sorry peach

Time to boycott blizz

[hoary cedar]

MEANWHILE.

LOOK WHAT I GOT INTO

WE THE BEST.

[cunning fossil]

WHAT HOW IS EVERYONE GETTING IN???

This feels targeted now

[pulsar minnow]

I’m not in either :(

[hoary cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-medic-no-idea-gif-12910790

BUT I GOT IT ON THE FIRST DAY.

[opaque pewter]

Refining the UI is an ongoing project; we want to continue to make changes and improvements. In addition to polishing the current set of available features, we intend to tackle many other UI elements and include more features further down the line, like:
- Additional Edit Mode options
- Group Manager
- Raid Frames
- Quest Tracker
- And more updates to the art

I didn't doubt that my concern about the UI varied art asset resolution was internally known, but it's nice to have it shared with the public

[ember blaze]

is alpha lfg one faction or both

so i dont make the mistake of picking alliance to dead queues

[cunning fossil]

One faction

Why would allies have dead queues?

[ember blaze]

just used to alliance having been a dead faction 💀 pre cross faction

[uncut vault]

so far on alpha it's had very dead queues haha

hopefully its better after this huge wave

[cunning fossil]

Finally got home.No beta for me either

sigh

at least we have Wowhead talent trees to fuck around with!

[deep pawn]

I have no beta, oh well

[languid yoke]

gotta ghost my key group tonight cause I don't wanna bring my sadness and bad vibes we're 6 anyway

[ember blaze]

for those playing evoker, how did you reach forbidden reach?

with the template character

[upper pasture]

i'm pretty sure the forbidden reach is only for fresh evokers and making a template character skips that whole storyline. well at least until we hopefully go back at max level.

[ember blaze]

spawned me with this in stormwind

[upper pasture]

looks like a bug

doesn't do that on horde ones

but if you go to the garden area in the castle you can pick up the chain quest to go to DI

(the room to the left of the throne room)

[ember blaze]

@upper pasturei just made a new char as horde

where did you from spawn?

i got no quests

[upper pasture]

Spawn in org, the people for horde are back by the chunk of DW by the cata portals

[sullen dawn]

I doubt it's targeted since I got in and I lapsed my sub between cata and legion

Plus I don't do anything special outside of a few PTR bug reports

[severe verge]

hello

[crystal pond]

Why beta is even more buggier then alpha even when whole content is almost the same?

[languid yoke]

more people

[ember blaze]

still cant post on the forums for beta

[austere gazelle]

So, as you can see, I was right about the location 😉

[austere gazelle]

they might slow this down a bit ^^ I find it way too fast like the dragon is about to crush you lol

[rain cave]

I mean I never disagreed on that

I also thought it was top right

I was just saying that it was always an isle and not part of the central continent pre sundering

[austere gazelle]

I do think it was part of it, it was renamed isles after and that an oversight from the lore team, like what we are seeing on the cinematic shoudln't be possible since the broken isle , containing a huge world tree and one of the highest mountain of Azeroth, shouldn't allow the view of the maelstrom
Considering they already made several mistake in one cinematic, the fact that it seems very far from the maelstrom could be another one 🤷
( Doesnt remove the fact that the cinematic is pretty as fuck though )

[rain cave]

I mean, it could also be that the Isles were just so far away that they could only see the atmosphere above

With the green

The fact remains though that everything we've seen in game, and in cinematics

Points to them being an Isle for their entire existence

The centaurs being the only exception, but they aren't a definite piece of counter evidence

As they literally have a wind god helping them

They might have just walked on the winds and flew over with help

As it's just a legend

No more accurate than the tauren myths

[sullen dawn]

I don't think them travelling is the weird thing but rather the timeframes right?

[rain cave]

Maybe both

Also the tuskarr arrived by boat in the azure span

Right

And must have been before the Sundering?

So that points to it always being isles

[livid walrus]

new button to inspect talents on others!

[coarse quail]

Awesome

[glass flicker]

"Your current loadout is outside the meta. Please reconsider your choices and git gud" button.

[rain cave]

"This guy is using the same spec as me I wonder what talents he's running to do so well!" button

[glass flicker]

Knowing the WoW community, that'd be a rarity.

[rain cave]

knowing the VOCAL wow community

in my experience when actually playing the game things are quite pleasant

[cunning fossil]

Oh I know I was joking. I meant targeted against peach

Can't wait to show up to keys with a different AoE build and get crowned on

But tbh I'm gonna make a meme build for each spec and try it out in my own keys

[sullen dawn]

Yeh queue with expected build then switch to your preferred build as you start the m+ seems like a good strategy

[rain cave]

and because you can swap talents wherever so easily

and save builds

nobody can stop you lmao

[gloomy tangle]

Incoming addon to detect sub-optimal talent changes while in m+

[cunning fossil]

Blegh

[dense plover]

What are they going to do? They can’t replace you once you start. What will happen is people will report you either ingame or on RIO, and you’ll stop getting invited

Tbf, it’s not very nice to switch your build in order to hurt others

But I can see not wanting to have to copy the “optimal” build

I’m curious how it’ll go, but I suspect while some people will rage if you don’t change to the optimal build, most people won’t like being told what to do and will just ignore the person yelling

[gloomy tangle]

Yeah probably

[dense plover]

Especially since there likely won’t be one good build for an entire dungeon

Maybe PER boss, but unless you are really pushing keys, you’ll probably be better off with 1-2 generic builds for AoE vs ST

IE changing before trash or for an add heavy fight

Then changing back to ST for the boss

Or just not changing if your build is a good all rounder

[rain cave]

if you do well even with talents that aren't "the meta" and the key is completed

if somebody really cares enough

that's really their problem at that point

and the talent system is the least of concerns for people sabotaging keys

I've had people straight up kick the key holder mid dungeon because they asked healer for heals or some shit

[sullen dawn]

I wouldn't be doing to hurt others. I s be doing it to play the game the damn way I want lol

[cunning fossil]

I'd be straight up tbh. Like "Yeah here this is my build. Not meta but it's been qorking"

TBH idk if such an add on would gain traction actually

Like something that deliberately excludes people

RIO wasn't made for that purpose. It was more so to put an actual score for your performance I believe

An add on that detected sup optimal builds would be really toxic to be frank

[dense plover]

It would probably result in the feature being unexposed to the API

They’ve done that before for toxic addons

It’s a thing they can do in a hot fix too

[cunning fossil]

Sounds goos

[dense plover]

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want to not have someone with a completely useless build though

Like if the dungeon or raid is ST and your build emphasizes AoE, you are hurting everyone else by refusing to adjust

[cunning fossil]

My thing is that there is a line between completely useless and not optimal

[dense plover]

I think if you are pushing hard content - not optimal isn’t okay, otherwise it’s fine

For me the line would be when your build is MUCH worse because it purposefully ignores more helpful talents, like I said in my ST vs AoE example

[sullen dawn]

Ofc and it's a fat ass line

[cunning fossil]

Most people.don't do anything over 15, which is deemed to be not hard so

What would you all consider a "completely useless" build?

[ember blaze]

Everything feral

[cunning fossil]

Lel

[dense plover]

IE - monk has a bunch of AoE talents. If you are currently progressing, I would expect you to switch to your ST talent build before a boss

Even if it’s below a +15, if you are actively pushing keys, I think you should try

That doesn’t mean you need to take the best talents

It just means not taking the talents that are literally useless for that encounter

If a talent needs 2+ targets and the encounter is ST, that’s a wasted talent

[cunning fossil]

Well like I said before that's a supremely obvious thing to recognize.

[dense plover]

You would be surprised how dumb or rude people are

Internet anonymity

[cunning fossil]

Just inform them that they're on their multi target set up. If they don't switch boot em

What what how did my.essage get blocked?

[sullen dawn]

Vulpera

[cunning fossil]

My Vulpera Warrior has a mace she'd like to introduce you to

[sullen dawn]

Haha

I'm only teasing 😉

[cunning fossil]

I know I'm trolling

[sullen dawn]

No that was legitimate threat of violence!

Lol

Now I'm scared

[cunning fossil]

But yeah I feel.like the line between completely useless build and sub optimal is a very large and obvious one

[sullen dawn]

Agree

I mean for me that's the whole point of talents

Build flexibility

[cunning fossil]

And even then, you could now technically assign people to be an AoE focused person for a fight if it has adds

Exactly yeah. More build flexibility means that there will be more interactions and inevitably more roles

Maybe the affliction warlock will be on AoE duty while destro stays and destroys the boss and whatever else

[sullen dawn]

That is what I would like

[cunning fossil]

And even then, all builds will be able to do AoE and Single Target, the only difference will be how effective in each it is in either scenario

[sullen dawn]

But tbh I mostly do dungeons with friends

Who never in a million years would tell me what talents to hse

[cunning fossil]

Lmao friends

Hah

Oh that's that's fun.

Friends. In WoW

[sullen dawn]

From real life 😮

[cunning fossil]

😭

[sullen dawn]

Crazy I know

[cunning fossil]

Stop rubbing it in

;-;

[sullen dawn]

Sowy

I will be your friend

[cunning fossil]

Vug swag

I will be playing Ranged Survival at least once

If we're pushing of course I won't but yeah I legit can't wait

I have an idea for a nearly all instant cast Shadowburn Destro Warlock

Just spaming Shadowburn over and over

Using flashovers for Incinerates

[rain cave]

that's more of a teamwork issue as well though

not talents

"I want to raid but refuse to do mechanics" is a similar vein here

it's not the talents griefing, it's the player

and players have always had the freedom to grief

if you take it away you lose meaning, since if nobody can fail, when is the win?

[sonic flame]

about the df dragon costomization

do you unlock most options by doing stuff kinda like the artifact skins in legion? or it's all unlocked from the start?

[kindred delta]

Anybody of you lucky beta peeps has time to make some Drachtyr Creation Option Screens for me? Cant wait to see all the options and sadly no invite for me so far

[deep pawn]

wowhead has a nifty tool

[kindred delta]

Are the Drachtyr added allreeady?

[deep pawn]

so near the top under Dragonflight, click Dracthyr Customization

[kindred delta]

Kyle, i have to admit that i love you ^^

[livid walrus]

@uncut vault that void elf/dragon returned

[glass flicker]

Velf on the shelf, but it's actually a dragon.

Man, this joke did just drag on, huh?

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[livid walrus]

she is level 70 (doesnt scale to your level)

[livid walrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/x49wxg/another_new_class_adventurer/

[cunning fossil]

Might be a mistake

Because like what kind of class is adventurer

[livid walrus]

no idea XD

[languid yoke]

you hit people with a shovel and a torch

you heal with bandages

[cunning fossil]

Also there's no shot it's something toy's even feasible

[mossy meteor]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-druids/1279517/103

resto+feral changes

[cunning fossil]

Dub

[dense plover]

You are an adventurer when you start on exiles reach I think? But yeah it’s essentially internal stuff

[livid walrus]

strange i couldnt see that in retail tho

[dense plover]

I hope Druid sees some class tree changes too

[sonic flame]

about the df dragon costomization
do you unlock most options by doing stuff kinda like the artifact skins in legion? or it's all unlocked from the start?

[crimson jasper]

unlocked by various activities, best example l guess being a gladiator skin for pvp

[uncut vault]

You have very few base options earned at the start, it's all through doing a bunch of various activities

so far basically every side questline has some kind of minor little customization choice, but the big ones like scale color comes from the reputations

[dense plover]

Sounds kinda great to have cool rewards from side quests

Might actually do them all

[silent urchin]

Side quests in general seem pretty good, most have a reasonable story associated with them

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/WeakAuras/status/1565809429043372032

WeakAuras (@WeakAuras)

@WarcraftDevs next time you guys push an addon breaking change randomly on a Friday evening, a little heads-up would be nice.

Twitter · Sep 2, 2022, 9:10 PM

ouch

[dense plover]

i have to assume the change is intended to break addons

in which case they dont want that

[uncut vault]

thats also a weird thing to be mad about considering its yknow

a beta lmao

[dense plover]

actually apparently it was wrath

and apparently people did know

its just the weakauras dev didnt

b/c they arent in anyone else's discords

(theyre definitely far down the list of the devs I like)

[ionic terrace]

kek

[dense plover]

elvui dev is down near the bottom with them

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/deadlybossmods/status/1565578852574937088?s=20&t=2uty12cToDe0mt6d4zlIYA

⏱Deadly Boss Mods™⏱ (@deadlybossmods)

Blizzard pushed a new wrath build to PTR that changes how addons were identifying the wrath client. DBM included. I just pushed a new update out that can recognize both the old and new wrath client IDs.

Download 3.4.8 as soon as you can so when this build goes live, you’re set

Twitter · Sep 2, 2022, 5:54 AM

ppl for sure knew i guess

explains why i had to re-download all my addons for wrath

[silent urchin]

Wait it was just on PTR?

[ember blaze]

am i crazy or did dracthyr not have this cool dark blue color option

or was it an npc thing 🤔

[mossy meteor]

It was pushed to live a few hours ago