"Siege on Dragonbane Keep (5+ Players) The Obsidian Outcasts are gathering. The siege will begin soon."
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
nokhud offensive getting a much better description
old: " The Nokhud Offensive After Clan Nokhud captured the ancient eagle spirit, Ohn...'ahra, civil war spread across the Ohn...'ahran plains like wildfire. To the other clans, Ohn...'ahra is more than a mere spirit: she is their goddess. Primalists summon elemental forces, and necromancers command the spirits of legendary centaur. Beset by enemies, the other Maruuk clans rally. The Nokhud tyrant, Balakar Khan, watches from afar, bellowing commands. Relentless enemy offenses will continue until his forces submit. The battlefield awaits."
new: "Centaur civil war rages on the plains. Betraying his own people, Balakar Khan has allied with Primalist forces against the other centaur clans and their green dragon allies. While stormcasters summon an elemental to the battlefield, Shikaar ballistae repel Primalist proto-dragons. The tyrannical Balakar has captured the wind goddess Ohn..ahra. If we can take down Balakar and free the goddess, we'll liberate the land."
looks like a lot of the "do X in the dungeon on mythic" achieves have been added
looks like theyve added some or all of the "complete these side stories in the zone" quests as well
so i suspect they might be bringing back something like threads of fate considering that
cunning fossil
lookslike they're updating the Warlock trees sinc ei saw their changes
dense plover
oh
it also looks like theyre adding fractional seconds to the dragon racing UI and actual achieve
so that people can try and beat others more specifically
good change imo
they are still working on letting you choose your char voice separate from your body
idk if its implemented or not, but changes were made
oh
you can skip zen meditation now
hell yes
they just connected clash downwards
great change
same with celestial fire and breath of fire - they moved some stuff there
idk if the wowhead tree is correct tho
@uncut vault can you take a pic of the brew and monk trees ingame?
i really hope its wrong - the roll talents being behind healing stuff is fucking annoying
still no alpha btw
ionic terrace
ancient jasper
Hm.. So both DH specs get Sigils now. Interesting
glass flicker
lol, I love the latest blue. "Demon Hunters not yet prepared."
You are not prepared.
ancient jasper
Hm.. Is Fodder to the Flame just something DH get at 48 now? Just baked in to the Class?
cunning fossil
Hm.. Is Fodder to the Flame just something DH get at 48 now? Just baked in to th...
No.
It is a choice for Havic DH in their tree
In competition with Elysian Decree
ancient jasper
Ah, I see. Just saw it on the list of abilities at the bottom of the page and was curious
glass flicker
This is now the best character in Dragonflight.
He uses chronomancy to rapidly age cheese.
Reminds me of the Lizard Priest from Goblin Slayer.
dense plover
nope looks like wowhead is up to date
they just havent fixed roll being tied to healing for whatever reason
upper pasture
This is now the best character in Dragonflight.
Yes!
uncut vault
gotta say the dragonriding changes feel really unnatural lol
glass flicker
I'll buy his entire stock.
glass flicker
I'm still puzzled over the windwalker tree having Hit Scheme in there with the tooltip saying it increases the damage of Keg Smash.
Surely it's an error.
ancient jasper
I wonder if Elysian Decree counts as a Sigil for the Sigil affecting Talents 🤔
uncut vault
a lot of voice acting this build
ancient jasper
That's.. gotta be a typo on Momentum, right? Them adding Glide to it would be.. interesting. 100% Momentum uptime then lol
glass flicker
I like how the wings are colored differently on the top and bottom.
ember blaze
@uncut vault it’s what players wanted no?
uncut vault
I think it might have been what players who read forum notes and didnt actually play the alpha wanted 😛
ember blaze
If it’s too realistic I can see it being bad for gameplay
uncut vault
it was totally fine for gameplay prior, getting air time was incredibly easy
now it just feels jerky
cunning fossil
That's.. gotta be a typo on Momentum, right? Them adding Glide to it would be.. ...
It's meant to be felblade
cunning fossil
I wonder if Elysian Decree counts as a Sigil for the Sigil affecting Talents 🤔
It does for vengeance right now I believe so probably
austere gazelle
Well... DH talents feels unoriginal and bland. Nothing really new or exiting -_-
cunning fossil
w h a t
upper pasture
that's the way of the world. can't please everyone
cunning fossil
Fair enough
deep pawn
I need to see Veng, but the class tree needs a little work especially the sigils, you have throughput mid, sigils right, and awesome defensives left.
Sigils are always situational
austere gazelle
w h a t
Not saying they are bad. It lacks creativity
I expected more skills to use, more long rotation. We re back at what we have now. Maybe even less skill to use. .
cunning fossil
Sigils are always situational
To be quite honest I'm not too sure about that
Havoc being able to have access to a pretty reliable AoE silence is pretty strong
deep pawn
They added skills to both Veng and Havoc in the class tree
Power SHOULD be on the spec trees though
cunning fossil
And they are at the end of the day. It just gives DHs more buttons to use
Also it does give them a lot of fury. I wonder where they're gona spend it
upper pasture
eye beam 😛
cunning fossil
They have like tons of builders though. Hopefully Eye beam has a low CD >:P
but also you don't even need to take the full Sigil package
you can just take sigil of silence by going down themiddle
upper pasture
they are giving us loadouts right?
upper pasture
good
well that's not good but i need to be able to swap for raid/m+/dailies.
i know they are give us the thing to swap whatever whereever but like i just wanna presave all that nonsense
dense plover
IDK if you cna link and share them tho
you will be able to
upper pasture
hmmm
cunning fossil
i know they are give us the thing to swap whatever whereever but like i just wan...
They said you had loadouts on the day it was announced lmao
deep pawn
Oh Teran you tease, you know you love it when we see it in context.
cunning fossil
this was also posted an hour ago so like...what HAVE they been working on?
deep pawn
Teran no matter what will be in multiple streams to catch the reactions as people reach the cinematics
upper pasture
They said you had loadouts on the day it was announced lmao
yes, but it's 2am and i cannot remember everything WAI
cunning fossil
yes, but it's 2am and i cannot remember everything WAI
oh no you're fine. just reinforming
upper pasture
i hope callings don't line up tomorrow i don't want to feel like i'm gonna miss out on gold if i don't do them
but i'm pretty sure they never line up back to back.
cunning fossil
Man I can not wait to get a hold on these builds and play them for myself
just sitting on Wowhead and making build sisn't enough ;-;
ember blaze
Well... DH talents feels unoriginal and bland. Nothing really new or exiting -_-
gonna massively disagree there
though i will say that
crimson jasper
I expected more skills to use, more long rotation. We re back at what we have no...
also to this, you got a lotta more buttons
ember blaze
havoc gains more off the class tree than vengeance
havoc with sigils is 👌
one minute meta 👌
felblade 👌
I hope DH gets their own deep breath eventually 
but with the whole demo meta thing, maybe never
livid walrus
awww
cunning fossil
aww adorbale
t's wild I thinkis that every single class has gotten massive updates at least once besides Druid and PRiest
It must feel so bad being a main for either class right now holy lord
livid walrus
new quartermaster for wrathion
sells nothing for now
for sabellian
something is wrong
cave painting! 😮
austere gazelle
also to this, you got a lotta more buttons
True, Tbh I looked on the bugged mmo champion version of the tree on my mobile, didn't have the whole picture until I reached the wowhead one on my laptop
There are some questionable talent placement though. Like the demon blade this far and the netherwalk + Fel Eruption in the havoc tree, All those should be in the class tree IMO
and if we're forced to choose eye beam as the first talent, better to make it baseline skill and give us something that improves it somehow, it feels weird... " you don't have it baseline but you are forced to take it anyway "
sounds like " we didn't found anything else to put in here "
cunning fossil
and if we're forced to choose eye beam as the first talent, better to make it ba...
This is the baseline thing for every single spec. The very first few talent choices are supposed to be mandatory
How are you forced it's literally the first one
austere gazelle
I'm just saying it feels like a weird design choice, nothing more
cunning fossil
Every single spec is like this and it is used to cement that facts that talents are important and gameplay enhansing
If that is the case, then why is pyroblast the first talent for Fire Mages? Ice lance for Frost? Aimed Shot for Marksman?
The point of the very first talebnt in the tree is to emphasize exactly what you'll be doing a lot of the time. Is all I'ms aying
austere gazelle
I don't want to argue about this since it's just a feeling I got about it. And its the same for every classes. It's a weird design choice. It'd been better to give us those baseline abilities and the first talent would be something that improves it, it's exactly the same and it feel less weird ( for me )
cunning fossil
but then people would be like "Why is this mandatory passive ability that affects my most important skill the first talent choice? Why not make it baseline?"
It's a slippery slope if you start going down that path
austere gazelle
I agree, it's exactly the same but feel less weird, as I told
Personal opinion, nothing game breaking or anything, you can disagree it's fine :p
crimson jasper
I don't want to argue about this since it's just a feeling I got about it. And i...
giving all the stuff we "already have" as baseline and just "enhance" it would be extremely confusing for new players
this way they actually "talent" into the skills that will make up the class/spec
DF was never a reinvisioning or revamp to make the classes play different just for the sake of making them play different, it's moreso taking what we have and what works, and put a fancy spin on it here and there but overall used to have a solid groundwork
as for placement inside the tree currently, yes some talents definitely should be moved around but overall this tree is VERY good
or as the kids say POG I guess
feel sad for poor Spriest currently xd
but they surely will get a nice revision at some point
crystal pond
for sabellian
Oh
They renamed obsidian keys to marks of sargha?
livid walrus
seems so i will need to check
i forgot to do so.
but maybe it is just the curreny will be there
ember blaze
I don't want to argue about this since it's just a feeling I got about it. And i...
you already got some baselines, and the problem with what you're saying is that people will have 20 actives on release
something they had to fix for warlock
cause they had too many buttons
austere gazelle
you already got some baselines, and the problem with what you're saying is that ...
DH already had few actives baseline and they will have less baseline skill at DF release without talents. Its not an issue for this class ^^
Hence the " three button rotation" meme
ember blaze
that's every class 💀
anyways
focusing on your baseline spellbook is silly by DF
top of your tree is all baseline and required
and you got your core kit there
ember blaze
I don't want to argue about this since it's just a feeling I got about it. And i...
which eventually leads to this
on improving your kit
livid walrus
Oh
They renamed obsidian keys to marks of sargha?
at least for now , the key still here
austere gazelle
Who's Sargha?
livid walrus
more cave painting
livid walrus
more cave painting
might be (Allegory of the cave)
?
plain violet
crystal pond
Why some random dragon have uniq model, when plot npc have basic ones
Bruh
pulsar minnow
Why some random dragon have uniq model, when plot npc have basic ones
Bruh
It’s really only the aspects and Wrathion that have unique models. This void cult guy is the generic highland drake with some of the customization enabled
rain cave
Yeah I think it's definitely them just deciding to use some of their customization
Because dragons are now just like any other playable race
With tons of options
I do hope we unlock draconic customisations for other races
Like the cool eyes, at very least
But maybe some scales
rain cave
<:dracthyr_a2:1002363111921164298>
another dragon
wonder how that'll play in to the story
livid walrus
but look at his name
livid walrus
but the bronze dragon has the name Baronz.dormu
livid walrus
well i find it funny
rain cave
why
livid walrus
it is bronze dragon
rain cave
justsounds like a normal dragon name
livid walrus
just they mix it with the flight name .
livid walrus
nvm
rain cave
Khadgar has new on click voice lines
is he grouchy
livid walrus
oh wowhead just upload it xD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXF6nBLBcXY i didnt know.
rain cave
he does seem a lot more senile
and just older
which would be true tbf, last saw him end of legion AND we're getting the timeskip
it sounds almost like another voice actor it's strange
but it's because his VA is just older, and I imagine they're directing him differently
rose escarp
which would be true tbf, last saw him end of legion AND we're getting the timesk...
Didn't he turn up in Oribos, after we defeated the Jailer, to hang with Jaina? (EDIT: removed the unnecessary spoiler)
rain cave
Didn't he turn up in Oribos, after we defeated the Jailer, to hang with Jaina? (...
yes
you don't have to spoiler that
it's current content and also this is literally the spoiler chat
lol
rose escarp
Yeah, I figured after I wrote it 😄
cosmic beacon
Zepplelin master for DF airship
i like her tabard 
cosmic beacon
get what
nocturne totem
Yeah what dont they get?
ember blaze
How have they not dropped the storm wind org requirement.
tropic trail
^
dense plover
They haven’t because they don’t want to make it so 3 expacs from now, people are going to the dragon isles to toggle pvp instead
They want it to be consistent, not whichever capital is closest for whatever reason
I think they could come up with a middle ground
Like a significant cast time to enable outside of the capital as long as you are in a rested area
IE like 20-30 sec
So that it’s more convenient to pop back to your capital
And so you can’t just pop over to the inn right next to the battle and swap easily
ember blaze
And so you can’t just pop over to the inn right next to the battle and swap easi...
The horror
dense plover
I think providing the option would mean blizzard can still do the thing they want and provide players with what they want, even if it’s slightly inconvenient
ember blaze
This is conduit energy over again
dense plover
Kinda
Unrelated
This makes a ton of sense
They’ve encrypted like half of the story stuff
dense plover
Like you currently can just turn it off anywhere
I’m not saying change where you can turn it off
ember blaze
But we’re drawing the line at going into battle
dense plover
I truly think it’s so a giant raid can’t just teleport into the zone without going to org first - slows down reinforcements
I’m not blizzard ¯_(ツ)_/¯
And considering Valdrakken has an auction house maybe they’ll allow pvp toggle there too
ember blaze
Didn’t stop ruin from griefing every naz event
ember blaze
This is just an outdated nuisance
dense plover
I mean - it didn’t exist before the toggle
It’s not outdated - it’s just a weird choice blizz has stuck to
When it was first implemented it was both sides of the toggle
ember blaze
Bfa story thing. Made sense at the time
dense plover
But now it’s just the on thing
ember blaze
No longer bfa. Remove it
ember blaze
What
dense plover
Ok yeah it was BfA
Sorry
But yeah for some reason they’re very staunch on the city toggle
I think the best thing people can advocate for is adding Valdrakken to that list
Because I think it’ll be much harder to get blizz to fully drop the requirement
ember blaze
I’ll just make a forum post asking for its city requirement :)
dense plover
That’s probably the best bet
It’s much more likely to get a response
Vs saying to just remove it
Especially since all you are asking for is to not have to do a load screen
You could even argue that this helps people with slower computers or slower internet
Since they don’t have to go through two load screens
ember blaze
But then it’s like
If they flip the switch on the new city
Then they have to do that for every future one
Which just goes back to: remove it entirely
dense plover
Ignore that
Blizz could just remove it when they move expacs
Add a rule like “also current expac capital”
Again think about this from a perspective where you can convince blizzard
Don’t try to add logic or extra rules
Just ask for something simple
“Hey blizz can we get the pvp toggle added to the new capital since it has all the amenities from the other capitals already? It would save us two load screens (there and back) and would help people with slower internet or slower computers too”
rain cave
Legion didn’t have war mode
it did I thought, or am i thinking of PvP talents?
yeah guess I am
tropic trail
They haven’t because they don’t want to make it so 3 expacs from now, people are...
So just make it require any capital city
Tada
Having it be toggleable in any expansion capitol city would still mean that you can't just do it anywhere and it'd make it require a tiny bit of time, but it'd remove the extra tedious step of porting over to org, turning it on, and porting back
It's just a usability feature that really there just isn't a solid reason to NOT do
livid walrus
😮
cunning fossil
Ayyy sweet
dense plover
Having it be toggleable in any expansion capitol city would still mean that you ...
It’s about convincing blizzard. I couldn’t care either way as long as people can’t turn it off in the middle of a battle
Or on
upper pasture
I think toggling it in battle wouldn’t be the worst thing but your PvP status won’t change until you drop from combat.
But then again I remember when you used to have to wait minutes after turning it off to be safe from random PvP and getting into PvP combat would reset your status.
(TBC, I meant turning it off in battle not on. I still think a visit to a capital city should be required to activate WM)
ember blaze
if you can turn it off at any rest area, you should be able to turn it on in any rest area.
upper pasture
Eh, there’s so much abuse that can happen if you can turn in on like that. People would just run to the closest rest area pop into WM do the WQ and pop out no real threat
ember blaze
Eh, there’s so much abuse that can happen if you can turn in on like that. Peopl...
as opposed to currently doing the world quest, hop into a rest area and pop out with no real threat
upper pasture
Yup but you’d have to travel all the way back to org/sw to repeat the process and that’s a lot of time for very little rewards
But with being able to turn it on at any rested zone you could do it with ease
ember blaze
yeah, that extra 10% pet battle reward abuse just shouldn't happen
upper pasture
Clearly blizzard thinks so
ember blaze
(soar 2.0)
rain cave
also people would find exploits
like
rextroy being able to toggle PvP talents at will in the open world
ember blaze
i feel like we're now reaching really far for anything possible
rain cave
I still think we need more places to toggle PvP talents
any rested area seems fine to me.
one of the big annoyances with it is that if I join a party and they're warmode on I have to go and toggle it back on in SW/Org
or if they're warmode off but I like having it on, at some point I have to back again to toggle it on
upper pasture
Meh, any capital city is fine. I don’t like being restricted to just org/sw but it shouldn’t be every camp. Besides not every camp is your faction so why would going there to sign up for WM even make sense
upper pasture
Ok
upper pasture
Yeah let’s remove PvP!
nocturne totem
Everything doesn't have to make sense in lore. This is a game here.
rain cave
exactly
ember blaze
Yeah let’s remove PvP!
the restriction to turn it on 🙄
nocturne totem
Fun takes.priority
urban spire
I think cities for warmode is good
camps just means you can retoggle and untoggle really easily
nocturne totem
But yeah it would be more fun to be able to toggle it on in more places
rain cave
camps just means you can retoggle and untoggle really easily
add a cooldown to toggle on
urban spire
which kind of ruins the experience because people will abuse the crap out of that
ember blaze
like wasnt war mode in the cities just a whole youre signing up for the war in BFA thing?
urban spire
I would rather have no CD and capitals than camps with a CD
you can still disable any time
rain cave
if they brought back a specific hearthstone thing or a whistle
ember blaze
which kind of ruins the experience because people will abuse the crap out of tha...
and players will move on as if nothing changed
rain cave
then sure
but atm if you're not a mage it's kind of a pain to haul ass around just so you can toggle something
urban spire
okay? And the players that want a healthy open world pvp experience will suffer
rain cave
it's just ganking, camping, and using PvE things to be OP
that's open world PvP from what I've experienced
ember blaze
alliance players with their 30% warmode bonus : healthy open world pvp experience where
upper pasture
And by creating a system that allows less time in WM will create less PvP.
ember blaze
how so
rain cave
world PvP is a very specific niche in WoW
ember blaze
people that dont want to be in pvp arent turning it on
rain cave
people use warmode because extra rewards
at the risk of getting fucked over by randoms
ember blaze
though if you make it easy to turn on just for a world quest in any rested area.... maybe the casuals will actually turn it on
just camp world quest spots 💀
upper pasture
Yeah cause that sounds like fun lol
rain cave
if you remove the barrier to turning it on, people will be more likely to turn it on
since turning it off is already easier
ember blaze
well you said less pvp
as it stands now, there barely is any
and the people that you are talking about here quickly turning it off arent turning it on now
upper pasture
I can guarantee you if you camp people who can turn WM on easier will never touch it again after a day of being camped
urban spire
everyone is going to be parked in the capital most of the time
rain cave
war mode is just an imperfect system almost no matter how you slice it
urban spire
which means most people will have easy access to toggling WM
ember blaze
I can guarantee you if you camp people who can turn WM on easier will never touc...
welcome to open world pvp and why most players have it off
urban spire
you log on and decide you want wm so you turn it on
ember blaze
and why at one point alliance had a 30% bonus for warmode
rain cave
I have it on most of the time because Pvp talents are nice to have for open world
but my friends are just "nah"
and have it off
it's almost like a second faction thing
lmao
upper pasture
Alliance tends to have 30% because of server balance
rain cave
"my friends are war mode off"
urban spire
well it sounds like your friends dont like WM and probably wouldnt either way
ember blaze
majority of players do not like open world pvp
rain cave
"I want to play with my friends but they're war mode on" is now the sentence in 2nd place now that the faction barrier is gone
urban spire
sure a majority dont, but you act like the minority that does is small
wow has millions of players
rain cave
trumped only by "I want to play with my friends but they're on US/EU"
urban spire
there are tons of people that do like open world pvp even if not in a majority
rain cave
also catering to a minority if it only benefits said minority is fine
without stomping on the other players
however you also shouldn't be afraid to cater things to majority a bit more if it's only a small group currently using it
urban spire
when zereth mortis first came out I left warmode on and didnt once get ganked or shit on by op stuff in the month and a half I played it
rain cave
depends on if you see something as a niche mechanic, or a dead mechanic
urban spire
most of the pvp was pretty fun
ember blaze
how many pvp servers before warmode had a healthy balance of faction? 🤔
upper pasture
how many pvp servers before warmode had a healthy balance of faction? 🤔
Pre BfA artifact. Let it go.
crystal pond
most of the pvp was pretty fun
Are you speaking for horde only?
rain cave
when the alliance players get dropped into cross realm against the majority of server that are horde dominated
crystal pond
Im in fear going to warmode as alliance healer
rain cave
ember blaze
💀
ember blaze
99% of the time im on warmode(if i ever bother to set foot in org/stormwind), nobody touches me
rain cave
btw can we make flying while dead just standard instead of a thing that's unlocked or enbaled zone by zone
on the topic of ganking and dying as a side thing
me dying because I wasn't instanced to the right version of stromgarde so I get shot out of the sky and then have to do a 5 minute corpse run to try and get to where I died
only to then have to try and escape before I get shot down again
crystal pond
I hate when you dead in non-reachable without flying high place, and when you near it, game dont think you near it, and you need to resurect your self with debuff
upper pasture
Yeah, I mean the amount of abuse that can happen while using it is minimal I don’t see why that’s not a thing yet
Like dying and using spirit form to scale a wall or whatever.
nocturne totem
Alliance/Horde imbalance isn't a pvp problem. It is a problem with the whole game. Once cross faction guilds come out I bet you see a lot more Alliance players.
cunning fossil
100%
mossy sapphire
Loving that you can now customize most of your UI without needing add-ons:
glass flicker
Wish you could also move the quest log.
If you move the minimap, the quest log seems to just float there awkwardly.
mossy sapphire
Wish you could also move the quest log.
Agreed. Seems odd it's the only element that can't be moved. Adding feedback to that effect now.
livid walrus
gnome druid?!
glass flicker
Oh no. Please, tell me she's not a feral druid.
Gnomes bite ankles enough. We don't need small cats to do it.
livid walrus
Oh no. Please, tell me she's not a feral druid.
idk she only wears druid tier i think ?
glass flicker
Maybe it's just for transmog purposes.
livid walrus
it is sus
mossy sapphire
Must be an NPC - a dragon in disguise, perhaps?
livid walrus
oh yes . this is a npc
livid walrus
lol, poor mages
livid walrus
look who came to visit centuar
cunning fossil
Nice
mossy sapphire
Updated Valdrakken map (finally found the void storage/tmog - and the BMAH)
livid walrus
somewhere in the blue area there is the draon barber place and talents npc
rain cave
look who came to visit centuar
make dezco a main character please blizz
livid walrus
atm he has pre 5.4 gossip line
glass flicker
Oh, gee, another caster getting BL.
rain cave
Oh, gee, another caster getting BL.
look at it this way, another HEALER getting lust
glass flicker
If only people would use it on healer.
uncut lintel
: o new class gtting battle rez
proper palm
Paladin deserve Brez :d
tropic trail
Bloodlust
Battle Rez
Possible simultaneous Heroic/Mythic release
Was there anything else noteworthy
deep pawn
So, skipping Heroic week, IF expansion comes out last week of Nov, first of december, that solves some xmas issues
mossy meteor
Was there anything else noteworthy
working towards cross server/faction mythic raids and guilds
deep pawn
and possibly increasing m+ vault rewards to match end mythic bosses
deep pawn
they did say in the future they'll try to say "Nothing yet to say but soon" instead of radio silence
cunning fossil
Yeah that's much better
deep pawn
He also said "Next beta build" regarding Evoker lust, but given alpha and beta as they're using it are just marketing terms, they may refer to all of alpha as beta internally
tropic trail
lol did they seriously just leave a raw link to the stream in that post and not clip the relevant section or anything?
mossy meteor
that's what wowhead does
tropic trail
Except for when they didn't do that in the guild post
uncut vault
@livid walrus went to go find that void dragon, weirdly it's gone and replaced with this (probably unintentionally visible) bunny
livid walrus
<@287112661307490314> went to go find that void dragon, weirdly it's gone and re...
Lol . There were telescops there? Or were they gone too?
uncut vault
Theyre also gone
livid walrus
When the noc died those vanisher too. But there was no memory . I guess next build we will see what is up.
Many known chacter were added this build in many camps/flight path locations.
crystal pond
This one with telescops was having black flight name
Maybe we will see black dragon infused/corrupted by void
Because its weird that everyone who was connecting with void changed (or having ultimate form) and black dragons are just "we went crazy af but no Special power"
Even deathwing was changed by dragon soul power and not the void directly
mossy sapphire
somewhere in the blue area there is the draon barber place and talents npc
Hmm not sure how I managed to delete that. Re-added!
livid walrus
Because its weird that **everyone** who was connecting with void changed (or hav...
They went mad due whispers
@uncut vault have you seen hot springs subzone?
It is a floating rock/isle
crystal pond
They went mad due whispers
I mean
Who isnt? Everyone who we meet, who was interacting with void, first heared whispers and then get infused with void
But it didnt happen with black dragons
They just went mad and thats it
uncut vault
<@175815785208348672> have you seen hot springs subzone?
I have, yeah its really cool
dense plover
Dang - the interview confirming priest and Druid changes as well as cross faction guilds
So good
upper pasture
something they are working on
tropic trail
It's less that it's confirmed and more that they're poking around at it and it may come at some likely distant and unspecified future point
upper pasture
Ion "would like to say before the next expansion, but it would be irresponsible of me"
more or less that
next being 11.0 of course
tropic trail
Shaghetti code being spaghetti code, making it into a proper cross-faction thing will probably do some incredibly jank stuff like result in wiping characters entirely, make duplication bugs, or somehow enable god mode for like one guy
crystal pond
Ion "would like to say before the next expansion, but it would be irresponsible ...
Im in fear for df rn
I hope df dont gonna be bad as sl was
upper pasture
what, why? are you high?
crystal pond
what, why? are you high?
I just fear that ingame can be rashed if they already speaking of 11.0
Yeah there are 10.0 and 10.1 content but like
What about future ones?
I mean yeah, its not gonna be bad as sl was, but i hope we dont gonna get something like it was in cata or in bfa
upper pasture
they aren't specifically speaking of 11.0 but of a system they want to add but it likely wont be ready until 11.0. My guy, you good?
dense plover
I just fear that ingame can be rashed if they already speaking of 11.0
Yeah ther...
They’re specifically talking about cross faction guilds
IE - this is going to take a lot of work. We want to finish it this expansion and if we can’t, next expansion
tropic trail
I just fear that ingame can be rashed if they already speaking of 11.0
Yeah ther...
They were literally working on Dragonflight since before Shadowlands started
crystal pond
They were literally working on Dragonflight since before Shadowlands started
Yeah and look at bfa and sl
tropic trail
IIRC Blizzard is typically working on at least in part one expansion ahead of current alongside whatever they have at the moment
I mean
Look at the alpha
dense plover
DF already looks better because it doesn’t have temporary power
tropic trail
They revamped how they did testing so that feedback can actually be received in a constructive and useful manner and then iterated on, which they have done
Class devs are actually IN the community directly talking to people in threads regularly, even going out into community discords
I'm not saying that it's perfect
There will be problems
dense plover
The fact that all of the “temp power” is also tied to specific systems that might not be carried forward like the hunts or climbing world quests or dragon riding
crystal pond
I hope we dont gonna get something "hour of twilight" at the end of the expac
crystal pond
And i hope story and quest lines, and raids will be good
And not pain
dense plover
I hope we dont gonna get something "hour of twilight" at the end of the expac
I mean we should get the hour of twilight since ya know - Murozond
tropic trail
We got Fated content
crystal pond
I mean we should get the hour of twilight since ya know - Murozond
I mean not a patch like that
That was in cata
tropic trail
So far from what people have said and what I've seen, overall the DF content looks fairly solid, with the exception of Priest/Druid/Demon Hunter but the Priest/Druid guy died and I would be fine if DH was just straight up removed
dense plover
So far from what people have said and what I've seen, overall the DF content loo...
Uh - DH is crazy good what are you talking about?
tropic trail
Yes that is the problem
dense plover
Priest Druid sure
It’s not OP
That’s just damage tuning
That’ll happen during beta
crystal pond
Dh just have good mechanics that makes them op and that it
dense plover
Right now the important thing is providing fun talent choices and interesting builds
After that’s done, they can tune numbers
tropic trail
Every time I've ran into a DH in open world between when I returned in BFA to now in Shadowlands, it is always an annoyingly unpleasant experience as they slap their dick on the keyboard and proceed to do 40k DPS
dense plover
I mean - they have a low skill floor
tropic trail
It's like running into a Druid back in Nazjatar and they had the bouncy plant
upper pasture
i mean that's what happens when you have 4 buttons to press
dense plover
Like - some classes are easier than others
crystal pond
Yeah, because balancing something at alpha is dumb, because we need to see if this even working right
tropic trail
Like - some classes are easier than others
If it's easy, it shouldn't be vomiting out more damage than other classes
dense plover
I mean - it doesn’t unless they are massively geared or you’re shit
Either they were way above you or you are terrible or they’re good
Those are the 3 options
DH is middle of the pack for dps afaik
crystal pond
Yeah
The top ones on live is mages
tropic trail
Oh also we got the crafting expansion
Which is fairly sick so far
Though I am kinda curious if we'll see racial bonuses changed now because of it
Dracthyr are getting a bonus to IIRC Perception, and all the other races with Prof bonuses have it to base profession level at fairly haphazard amounts between 5-15 with the occasional side benefit
And Dwarves still have a bonus to a skill that has been 100% ignored for two expansions in a row
And it was pretty close to ignored in BFA
Give them a mining bonus or something tbh, or bring back the old treasure locator with a big boost to perception for openable containers or something
uncut vault
DF already looks better because it doesn’t have temporary power
ion also basically said this in the interview too lol
now that they arent having to deal with a bunch of needlessly complicated temporary power stuff like conduits and covenants and torghast
they can dedicate 100% of their time to making these base classes good
tropic trail
Hot take, the Heart of Azeroth/Cloak weren't even innately bad ideas
urban spire
most borrowed power systems arent
opaque pewter
It feels a little more bad, but if they want to have people feel like progression over time without giving away free gear, the debuff system in LK over time is probably good to bring back
urban spire
its the fact that they never build on them or iterate into the next expac with them
artifact weapons could have been perfect
if they had carried them on
tropic trail
The grind required for them and the way they structured things like essences were a little excessive, but the base idea of having an item that you get that you can progressively upgrade for an increasing cost to do so is in and of itself fine
urban spire
maybe brought them in just for the relics and having an avenue to give cosmetics
tropic trail
I hope we end up seeing more expansions to stuff like valor
Also
The way that they're doing Missives is fucking dope
Instead of flat-stat, you get Peerless/Fireflash/Harmonious and whatnot
So you still know the stat combo, but they aren't strictly just 1:1 equal ratios
pulsar minnow
DH tree is very fun lol
Oh I love this. The look of Meta was the main reason I ever wanted to play a DH in the first place. Talent Trees>>>>>>>
ember blaze
is demons bite still resetting eyebeam every 2 seconds
dense plover
@uncut vault can you check on these islands? they were added 2 builds ago
coastline is starting to get finalized - there is a huge deep sea area here
super suspicious
pulsar minnow
super suspicious
dense plover
i hope so
ember blaze
<:happy:230833572045389824>
what's that
pulsar minnow
what's that
It's from the How to Train Your Dragon series. A giant hole leading to an underground area, hoping they replicate this for 10.1's underground zone
would be so awesome to fly through
deep pawn
Maelstrom but better?
crystal pond
Ppl speculated that this area can be for new world tree
livid walrus
Another nazjtar like climax enteance? :/
I hope there is giant titan like door and it will be open.
crystal pond
Im gonna laught if the underground map is just a little cave map, or titan-only-structure (like chamber of the heart) and not actual underground zone 
deep pawn
Titan facility on an island full of Titan artifacts and evidence of void and knowing this expansion is setting up the next big plot..
I worry a void tinted titan raid would feel a bit redundant after uldir and ulduar.
livid walrus
The primeslist threat wont be over after 10.0 the last boss is just a tool to them.
They want to destroy the titan influance. Not to harness it
If they keep this thing goong . It will be new.
While for the void we heard we will see alot of dragon types for verity and not for only plot driven.
languid yoke
Im gonna laught if the underground map is just a *little* cave map, or titan-onl...
Tazavesh 
"here is a large map of Tazavesh. You can only enter the docks. Enjoy"
could've been a Isle of Giants kind of zone
rain cave
Inb4 light creeps its way into a new dragon type
languid yoke
transition into light v. void expansion (or just a light-themed one) with light corrupting [insert dragon]
rain cave
Elune corrupting ysera into more of a light dragon, leaving merithra to pick up the pieces in the green flight
crystal pond
Elune not a light titan, she is life titan
rain cave
Elune isn't a titan
And she's more aligned to light and arcane than she is to life magic
The Naaru have some kind of relation to elune
As shown in legion
Boomkins cast a lot of arcane magic
And balance is the elune spec
And as I've mentioned before, she also appears to have a connection to death magic
Soul manipulation, something like that
livid walrus
techy question , there is option to make icons in text such as {skull} is there a name to the profession quality icons?
austere gazelle
And she's more aligned to light and arcane than she is to life magic
Shadow* and Arcane. ( she wield light yes, but her domain is Shadow, hence the moon, and the moonlight )
Her Sibling is the one aligned with the Light. Its possible that the light of Elune come from her brother, An'she, as the Moonlight is the reflection of the Sun
Both live in the realm of Life, so they are connected to Life also, and rules the plane of Life.
The moon and the Sun are here
rain cave
The moon and the Sun are here
Yes but the specific imagery there, is that life is ardenweald, represents life in death. The sun eclipsing the moon
Whereas death shows the moon eclipsing the sun
And by parallel to the winterqueen in the life realms, be death in life
Elunes shadow, the night warrior, represents the innate death magic in her
But I imagine it's taboo in life realms, so she has assimilated light and arcane
austere gazelle
Elunes shadow, the night warrior, represents the innate death magic in her
It can be death, I supposed it was void, as in shadow / void. The night warrior being a void power consuming tyrande from the inside, always wanting more, consuming more, and in the end completely overwhelming her and destroying its host
rain cave
But night warrior is closer to death
It shares spell effects with anima
And is tied to elune, who hasn't shown void
austere gazelle
But night warrior is closer to death
It's confusing tbh, because Tyrande also sprouted void and shadow zone in darkshore
rain cave
I wonder if because wq is a queen, there's a royal family here
Elune might be married or partnered with the sun entity
Anshe
So she's wqs sister in law
And gets the light power through a partnership
austere gazelle
Remember that we don't have the name of The Winter Queen, And Elune is Mu'sha in the Tauren Mythos, and her brother is An'She
But their real name might not even be Elune or Musha or An'she or whatever.
rain cave
As opposed to innate
rain cave
It's confusing tbh, because Tyrande also sprouted void and shadow zone in darksh...
I don't remember this
austere gazelle
Elune might be married or partnered with the sun entity
They are twins, born from the EarthMother ( Azeroth ? )
rain cave
We don't know
austere gazelle
Yeah, according to the Tauren*
rain cave
Tauren myths
austere gazelle
true, I think Elune is something that encompass more stuff in the cosmos, near a first One level, considering her whide panel of spells and school of magic usages
rain cave
I feel like the way they've teased the story, and very specifically shown cosmology stuff. Elune must certainly isn't a life entity at heart
Most
And just like wq in sl. Represents other forces in life
Because we've never seen her cast life magic directly
Her main thematics are light, arcane and death
Just so happens to be the 3 forces that are way more orderly
And are in a pattern together on the chart
So to me I imagine the first one's are something like that potentially
Combining the 3 orderly powers to suppress and control the others that are chaotic
Life, disorder and void
Titans barely accepted mortals at times
They prefer constructs
Life is wild, needs to be controlled
Curse of flesh, mortality, is from void
One sees infinite, the other a single path
austere gazelle
Because we've never seen her cast life magic directly
We saw her grow plant around the Tear of Elune in Legion... The only magic she never cast was Fel
crystal pond
Is Halls are under Tyr's hold?
rain cave
We saw her grow plant around the Tear of Elune in Legion... The only magic she n...
she didn't grow that plant imo
she made the tear of elune but
I think its energy just made it grow
since we know tears of elune cause growth
look at the seed tyrande was given
and growing plants can be done by other magics
look at that plant guy in nighthold
livid walrus
oh huh
rain cave
I miss him
livid walrus
Absolutely not the right location but okay, lol
when you click on it you have "Placing" casting
ionic terrace
did... did... khadgar scoop up his ashes? 
livid walrus
it seems we did
rain cave
maraads ashes feels like a very intentional set dressing to get people to think about WoD, specifically Yrel
so that's a point towards the light invasion plotline for the future
uncut vault
I think its probably just an incorrectly copied asset lol
they wanted the urn/bowl model, found it on maraad's ashes, copied it incorrectly as the whole asset rather than the model
dense plover
It’ll get fixed as soon as someone reports it
rain cave
is it out of place?
I thought this was the first time we've seen a maraads ashes thing
livid walrus
me as well
uncut vault
it's an asset from the alliance garrison questline
livid walrus
oh i see thanks
uncut vault
you put Maraad to rest by bringing his ashes to Auchindoun to inter his spirit there, and then Yrel undergoes a trial by combat with him
rain cave
they did maraad so dirty
ionic terrace
sadge
austere gazelle
T'PAARTOS
uncut vault
Anyone know where Emberthal is for the All Sides of the Story achieve?
earnest stump
Is the controller support they announced a long while ago in for Dragonflight yet? I got a steam deck on its way and it's gonna run WoW.
livid walrus
more familiar faces! 😄
rain cave
Is the controller support they announced a long while ago in for Dragonflight ye...
love that
you got a 5g data plan you're gonna hotspot with?
WoW on the go
earnest stump
I do, but likely gonna run it wi-fi most of the time.
Because I got motion sickness so I cannot really actively play on the go but it's mostly for vacation or when I wanna play outside 🙂 steamdeck was cheaper than a gaming laptop with the same specs so
rain cave
yeah steamdeck is amazing
uncut vault
more familiar faces! 😄
ooh, where are they?
rain cave
and idk if it's same specs you can get pretty good gaming laptops, but they all start at 1000+
livid walrus
timberstep outpost
uncut vault
Im glad theyre included given the ohnahra stuff
livid walrus
they have gossip lines too!
rain cave
steamdeck is still the cheapest and price performant pick tho
and it's only their first rendition
livid walrus
@uncut vault
earnest stump
Steamdeck was half the price for 256GB NVME SSD and for 50 euro extra I got a super fast 512GB SD card too
So yes. Just smaller display but can just play on a tv with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse if I wanna too lol
uncut vault
Went to go check myself, sadly no hunter dialogue lol
mossy sapphire
Are these cute pair new? (Mr. Fuzzles & Mrs. Fuzzles in Stormwind)
glass flicker
They're not new. But their models did get updated.
Fat cat wasn't a model until BfA.
livid walrus
if you die and roam around as ghost you can see spirit ohunas
near spirit healers. ididnt check elsewhere
rehgar eathfury is at ophn'iri springs
as well
@uncut vault btw for some reason the gossip line of Dezco is pre 5.4 gossip
slender plover
livid walrus
but the hat!
xD
even more known faces!
need to check with druid to come here
all these above are at Shady sanctuary
@uncut vault So many druids were added . see even more
uncut vault
oh nice!
ember blaze
Does talent load outs save your keybinds?
regal heart
From what you guys have seen, do the non-playable faction races (Ogres, Hozen/Jinyu, Ankoan/Unshackled, Taunka/Frostborne, stuff like that) have any presence ? Like, idk, a couple NPCs ?
Thanks for sharing your findings here by the way!!!
livid walrus
there is a centuar - dryad hinted romance quest
somekind of a club
the mane squeeze
upper pasture
Man, DF is gonna be so fun. I can’t wait to dig in
cunning fossil
NGL I kinda dislike the Runic Empowerment/Corruption
also, it forces it to become another mandatory talent for either Dmamage spec to take in their respective trees no?
upper pasture
Wait you mean the new thing is mandatory because the runic skill of your spec is becoming baseline? Also I cannot find what the new node is
Like what does Runic Attenuation do? Sorry I’m on mobile arguing with my brother :/
cunning fossil
Like what does Runic Attenuation do? Sorry I’m on mobile arguing with my brother...
lma you're fine./ Attetentuationis the one where Auto Attacks generate 5 runic power
upper pasture
Oh dang yeah that does seem huge
cunning fossil
Wait you mean the new thing is mandatory because the runic skill of your spec is...
oh no the Runic Empowerment/Corruption passives aren't becoming baseline. They're becoming talents in their respective trees.
upper pasture
These two talents will be returning to their respective specs baseline (Unholy – Runic Corruption and Frost - Runic Empowerment) ?
upper pasture
The choice node is gone
cunning fossil
that's my bad then nvm
upper pasture
Lol okay whew
cunning fossil
Yeah the chocie node is gone and Attentuationis going downwards
it does leave DK some more room for options in their class tree now which is nice
upper pasture
I cannot wait to see DF with my own eyes
cunning fossil
agreed
I wanna do all thewse stupid buildsin my mind
One of the firs tto try? Ranged/Midrange Unholy DK focusing on Festering Wounds and spamming Deathcoils if possible
ember blaze
so does anyone know if talent loadouts save up your spell placements and stuff? 🤔
cunning fossil
what do you mean?
upper pasture
Prolly? I mean that’s how it works in retail. So I’d assume yeah
cunning fossil
like keybinds?
ember blaze
well like
upper pasture
Hopefully load outs will work like spec swapping
ember blaze
like keybinds?
yeah just remembering where you left things at
so if you dont talent into an active in a new loadout and you replace it with a new active it's gonna be there
cunning fossil
yeah just remembering where you left things at
I thinkif ytou replace keybinds you'
you'll have to replace them back
but if they're on seperate buttons, you'll be just fine
ionic terrace
yeah i said vendor
wowv3 is vendor 3
will most likely be the build next week though!
ember blaze
evoker lust on there 👀
deep pawn
I wouldn't be shocked by a ptr coming up any time. SL had a 2 months ptr.
Legion and BfA had a 1 month
ember blaze
I wouldn't be shocked by a ptr coming up any time. SL had a 2 months ptr.
before beta?
deep pawn
Perhaps at the same time if beta starts on Tuesday
ember blaze
but what would they add on ptr
deep pawn
They test the prepatch outside of the beta stuff. Focuses on talents, shadowlands tuning for that month and old world stuff.
Only thing we won't have is evokers
deep pawn
They never test how expansion features like that work in prepatch content. At least I don't think they did for dh
I plan on testing mage tower just to see what breaks
dense plover
I plan on testing mage tower just to see what breaks
my guess is evokers wont have access unless you just mean testing with the new talent trees for other classes
deep pawn
that yeah, I'm praying they don't deactivate it
I know it'll be easier with the new talents, but I don't care. People had months to flaunt their book mounts and transmog
If it's going away, they better announce it soon.
dense plover
If it's going away, they better announce it soon.
i wouldnt be surprised if they turn it off for a few weeks to do a balance pass or something
either that or MASSIVELY buff them just to be safe
and then tune them downward as neccesary
deep pawn
either way it's something they're running out of time to inform us with possibly 2 months til prepatch
cunning fossil
TFW you're making shit tons of builds but you don't know where to store them for launch
ember blaze
someone with alpha should give feedback on preservation's 3 point node 🙂
ember blaze
ya
cunning fossil
yeah it should be 2
ember blaze
every single 3 point node has been reduced to 2 points
for every class
and they just kept that specific one for some reason
even if it's strong
1% per point is
😶
and making you do it 3 times
i would rather just not even go through that middle part at all
saving 5-6 whole points
uncut vault
I think the middle bit is technically optional, but yeah it sucks cause it's actually a really fun playstyle lol
ember blaze
so why have it there if youre just gonna path around it
cause it's a lot of point investment
gotta stay consistent with removing all 3 point nodes, or make the point investment worthwhile
temporal anomaly was a terrible spell, but now it looks like a solid spell for dungeons
Like after investing in the entire row right with all the bronze stuff, aside from the rewind choice node, im left with 5 points
but id rather path left for a huge defensive button, 30% crit healing. and i could go one point down to font of magic with those 5 points
could even just go straight down for cycle of life
deep pawn
There's a fair number of 3 pointers left.
One of the more recently touched up classes even had one remain I think, but I can't recall which one. The others though haven't had a rework since their initial release like druid and priest
cunning fossil
IIRC there are no classes in the new build that were touched that stillhad a 3 pointer left in them
maybe Rogue?
Yeah Assass has 3 3 point tallents at the last third of their tree
ember blaze
those points are massive for being 3 point nodes
@cunning fossilwhat's your evoker tree looking like 🤔
cunning fossil
<@247758224441344010>what's your evoker tree looking like 🤔
Whatcha mean?
ember blaze
just wondering since you said you been messing with trees
cunning fossil
I don't have an evoker build handy right now admittedly. I'll make one later on
ember blaze
unless youre not touching evoker 😂
cunning fossil
Oh I was, just got tired and decided to head to bed
And I don't really like building trees on mobile
ember blaze
yeah it sucks lol
livid walrus
Guards in natural locations such as the sand bronze flight area and tusktaar outpots are attackable while in wm on wihtout a need to attack other members..
i reported that. i found out while i was on wm on.
rain cave
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/hunter/marksmanship/BNEhGUSERIkpCAWCRANRhCoSVQCQWAYFBA
@cunning fossil
no rapid fire MM build just focusing on massive crits for bleeds and chucking random shit at the enemy for AOE
mossy sapphire
Nice idea that every Crafter has a portable scrapper, but I do hope they (a) allow us to drag & drop from bags (instead of hovering over each one to find the ones to scrap) and (b) fix the Reclaim All button to scrap more than one... at... a... time...
nocturne totem
Did they make DF profession a whole new UI window instead of reworking the existing profession window?
cunning fossil
Did they make DF profession a whole new UI window instead of reworking the exist...
Yes they did they just redid a lot of the UI
opaque pewter
I was hoping they'd standardise dpi on all assets. On that screen alone you can notice the older stuff vs the new ones
cunning fossil
DpI?
opaque pewter
Hmm, normal people call that blurriness or graininess I suppose. Notice how the faded backdrop is crisp while the button and item sprites are not as crisp, for instance
cunning fossil
Ahh
opaque pewter
The progress bar is really nice to look at too
cunning fossil
Agreed. Satisfying
dense plover
Hmm, normal people call that blurriness or graininess I suppose. Notice how the ...
i dont know if the art is finished yet
uncut vault
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/hunter/marksmanship/BNEhGUSERIkpCAWCRAN...
What’s the aoe component? I know there are some talents to automatically get trick shots but those are in the left side so outside of wailing arrow that would basically just be single target haha
rain cave
What’s the aoe component? I know there are some talents to automatically get tri...
you can multishot for trick shots
uncut vault
Not without the talent for it haha
rain cave
and death chakram + explosive
oops
I guess you just swap out double tap for the trick shot talent then
on AOE
uncut vault
Yeah that’s probably the best move
Good build though, especially as someone who hates rapid fire lol
rain cave
rapid fire just looks janky and feels awkward to use
especially because it's a generator it doesn't feel like you're "popping off"
uncut vault
I just wish the animations and sound effects matched up with the actual projectile spell effect
rain cave
you already have steady shot as a generator, rapid fire feels like a steady shot that just gives you a second or so break from pressing keys
uncut vault
The spell effect looks like you’re firing off a ton, but the sound effect is like half the speed and the animation is just an awkward animation stutter with your hand in the air lol
rain cave
if rapid fire actually have something unique to it
like if it literally did say, auto attacks
then you could do an auto attack build with rapid fire
uncut vault
They could try making it into a bunch of wind arrows
That wound synergize with a lot of the new tree stuff
uncut vault
Yeah I miss that too
uncut vault
Who knows maybe in an xpac or two it can become a capstone talent, and become a specific build you can go into rather than the core of the spec always
To get the best of both worlds
rain cave
also pivoting to mage
the fact that temporal anomaly or whatever it's called is a class tree thing
no longer arcane
that's kind of hilarious
because you can make a fire mage build that's just volatile as hell
"just dpsing don't mind me OH COMBUSTION PROCCED LETS GO"
crystal pond
I want to see how fast raids that full of fire mages will go now
rain cave
behold
volatile fire mage
every chance based proc
and incanters flow
embrace RNG and top the dps meters one fight or scrape the bottom in another
cunning fossil
Fuck rapid fire.
All my homies (Me) hate rapid fite
rain cave
Fuck rapid fire.
All my homies (Me) hate rapid fite
check out the volatile fire mage build
it's kinda funny
cunning fossil
I do like a lot of RNG
deep pawn
Mages look interesting but of course they're dooming
cunning fossil
Dooming?
Do you mean Mage Mains are passing themselves because they aren't thw top ranged spec?
Lmao
deep pawn
Frost hates the new icy propulsion, fire and arcane may be a bit more chill
A lot don't like how prevalent shatter might be in keys.
cunning fossil
Shatter is getting a competitive talent next build probably
But also the fact that like shatter is gonna be so minimal in activations for specs other than frost.
Ice Nova, Grisly Icicle? And Frost Nova
But it'll literally get broken by anyone else
rain cave
A lot don't like how prevalent shatter might be in keys.
yeah I can't wait for it
I think it'll be hilarious
cone of cold freeze everyone and then just absolutely MELT them with crits
dragons breath for hot streak as well
so you can get a flamestrike ready, CoC freeze, DB, fireblast ,flamestrike
or if you get a fucking fire frenzy proc
instant cast flamestrikes
or with molten skyfall if you set up your meteor and save it for opening on a pack
throw the 30th fireball, cast the actual meteor spell and then freeze them
literal nuke
deep pawn
It'll depend on what shatter competes with. A shattered arcane surge sounds terrifying
rain cave
oh lord
deep pawn
It'll depend on what shatter competes with. A shattered arcane surge sounds terrifying
rain cave
it's gonna be interesting, since the old mage playstyles are still here but there's a whole extra layer that's opening that's more focused on stacking as much as you fucking can instead of staying in a gameplay loop and buffing it
like you could play arcane as this very feast/famine thing
or you could just
"UNLIMITED POWERRRR"
and go absolutely fucking ham
fire can make themselves more sustainable, even more than and old build
or they can double down even harder than before into combustion
and just having shit go off
frost feels the most tamed atm I reckon
uncut vault
as a fire lover, I'm happy because they removed the terrible "ignite spreads via phoenix flames" change and added a build to forgo combustion-centric playstyles
cunning fossil
How does ignitr spread now though if I may ask?
uncut vault
fire blast
so basically just passively like before Shadowlands because you use it all the time anyways
cunning fossil
Oh that sounds so much better
I'm gonna try a lot of dumb shit once we can get builds
Like a Voidformless Shadow Priest
No Army Unholy DK
Auto Attack Fury warrior
And finally No rapid Fire Marksman
Fuck u rapid fire
I'm rambling sorry but yeah I am just overly excited
Gonna play Support Shadow Priest and get laughed at
cunning fossil
yeah it sucks lol
What build you think I should make for Evoker?
rain cave
What build you think I should make for Evoker?
which spec?
cunning fossil
which spec?
hmmm Pres or Dev
not really thinking of one at the moment,
but I understand Devastation more than Preservation
rain cave
blue AOE build? maybe focusing on buffs or procs idk
@cunning fossil
not entirely familiar with evoker yet
uncut vault
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/hunter/marksmanship/BNEhGUSERIkpCAWCRAN...
few small personal changes but this actually feels really good while testing tbh
rapid fire feels honestly just like a trap button at this point
deep pawn
I like rapid fire when it trick shots
cunning fossil
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I have done that before. it loks sweet
livid walrus
they still need to work out those quality items... it is just item that return to my mail due time passed on AH.
cunning fossil
they still need to work out those quality items... it is just item that return t...
It is alpha. No one is gonna be buying consumables 😛
livid walrus
that is ok. i am just testing stuff :p
deep pawn
@dense plover Do you remember if the 9.0 ptr was up before they announced the shadowlands delay? I also can't remember if they delayed the prepatch too.
dense plover
i dont remember
i dont think so?
but i am starting to think they SHOULD delay
just because they need a bit more time to do some balancing
but tbf, the only major thing left is veng DH and balancing stuff
deep pawn
I'm trying to figure out if the 2 month 9.0 ptr was because of the delay and the intention was 1 month like legion and BfA
dense plover
since theres no endgame system
uncut vault
tbh given how quickly thyeve responded to certain classes, I dont think they need it
and like Ion said, there's no needlessly complex borrowed power system to juggle
just basic class play
deep pawn
And the only new system or mechanic at all is dragonriding and it looks like they did that first
deep pawn
I can't see them putting a ptr up with beta since that lowers beta hype, so I'm going with 1 month ptr starting the end of September
dense plover
yeah i guess thats a good point
they just need to do some balancing which might only take like a month
giving them a few months to test prepatch and bug fix
uncut vault
the biggest systems they have yet to fully test is just raiding and the tier that comes with it, and M+ with whatever old dungeons they pick
but thats all very much beta content
dense plover
for sure
and those wont be at launch
theyre 4-6 weeks after launch
and thats 4-6 weeks after prepatch
deep pawn
Only things that 100% have to be ready for 10/25 is talents and evokers and even talents can be adjusted once the wider player base has their hands on it
sullen dawn
Hoping for good patch cadence too. Without the systems etc.. they can just focus on content patch to patch
hasty elbow
ok so….in DF we will have Tuskarr and Centaur theme xmog……but Kul Tiran coat xmog for non-Kul Tiran when? 🥲
altho…..my guess is 10.1.5 when they will introduced BFA timewalk hopefully.(similar to Legion timewalk where they released Black Rook hold armor for xmog)
austere gazelle
the biggest systems they have yet to fully test is just raiding and the tier tha...
And the world quest and end game stuff
mossy meteor
raids and dungeons will be 2 weeks after launch if SL is anything to go by
even then, they'll probably have all 8 (?) DF dungeons available at launch, at mythic difficulty
but when the season starts, you just won't be able to do the other 4
dense plover
raids and dungeons will be 2 weeks after launch if SL is anything to go by
They did say they felt it was too soon after launch
So it should be longer
And they don’t want to launch near the holidays
cunning fossil
Oh you'll be able to do them. But you won't be able to do then as M+
cunning fossil
And also how many old dungeons do we know are gonna be in for season one
mossy meteor
wtf are you gonna do
cunning fossil
Get gear, grind professions, level alts
There's a lot you could do
ALSO
You gotta give people time to work on the new Talent trees too.
dense plover
And also how many old dungeons do we know are gonna be in for season one
Half
So I believe 4 new 4 old