beta-ptr-spoilers

[zealous basalt]

new ui pog?

[rain cave]

in fact a lot of professions got added

jewel, inscription,skinning, leatherworking

tailoring

[uncut lintel]

OFMG

THE LOGIN SCREEN

LOOKS SO RPETTY

[dense plover]

Ok so we got art, early monks, reputations, and some class changes

Still no Druid changes

[uncut lintel]

they dont care about druids anymore

no feral buff

[dense plover]

That might be the best login screen

[uncut lintel]

it is

[dense plover]

They don’t need a buff, they just need changes

[uncut lintel]

buut it needs like 2 small dragon figures flying in the backgorund i think

[rain cave]

noice login screen was what I guessed it would be

[dense plover]

The starfall talent for balance legit sucks

[uncut lintel]

ok maybe fair, bcuz theo nly way i do dps is beserk and when convenants r gone its going back to a 3min cd

like relying on this fucking 3 min cd

for everything i fight

[dense plover]

They just need to change abilities around

And shift some tree stuff

[uncut lintel]

LIKE NO MORE RELYING ON BESERK FOR UR WHOLE ROTATION PLZ

[dense plover]

And cooldowns

[uncut lintel]

or atleast

lower cd

[dense plover]

I want to see the monk trees

It sounds like fistweaving might be back

And as long as Brew doesn’t start using chi again, it’s probably fine

It’s been in a good place

I hope blackout combo sticks around because it’s fun

[uncut lintel]

idk

havent touched monk wole sl rlly

[dense plover]

I’m actually On my way home from work early, so I’ll be digging through the db2s in under an hour

[uncut lintel]

did u get into alpha yt

?

yet

[dense plover]

Idk

[cunning fossil]

damn that login screen looks awesome

[dense plover]

Idk if they’ve even done a wave yet

[cunning fossil]

yeah I don't think so

Zen Pulse and Ancient Concordance

no idea what those are but they sound cool

[mossy meteor]

monk tree yoo

[cunning fossil]

oh Sweet Solo Rated is in

Looks like the Warrior Dev is doing work too

Man I feel so bad for Druids for real

like where is their dev?

[dense plover]

Wait - mistweaver gets faeline stomp but brew and ww don’t? I need to see the trees

[cunning fossil]

I really wanna se these changes already like damn they look sweet

[dense plover]

Faeline is a much more well designed ability and more engaging than weapons of order

I ducking hate WoO

[grand bane]

DEMON HUNTER TREEESSS WHOOHOOOO

[cunning fossil]

LMAO DH Isn't even on Alpha yet and they're already nerfed

this is a troll

[cunning fossil]

No trees bro. Just changes

[grand bane]

:(

[cunning fossil]

Monki sthe only official tree

To be fair, like. SOMEONE was gonna be the last Talent tree

so mI mean

Demon Blades Your auto attacks have a 60% chance to deal additional Shadow damage and generate 7-12 Fury.

THey buffed Demon Blades

Momentum Fel Rush, increasesFelblade, The Hunt, and Vengeful Retreat increase your damage done by 15% for 6

Looks like The Hunt is making a comback

AWESOME

I just hope that maybe they change the aesthetic to green or fel

[grand bane]

DH is gonna be useless i feel like

[cunning fossil]

Sentinel's Wisdom (NYI) While the Sentinel Owl is active, your party gains 5% Leech and 3% Avoidance.takes 10% reduced Nature damage, and the Sentinel Owl removes 1 Poison and Disease effect from a party member every 1 sec.

This is really specific but it is very cool to see Hunter have a poison and disease dispel

[cunning fossil]

et's wait for their trees to come out first yeah? lmao

might be good for certain fights

[pulsar minnow]

It’s so good holy shit

This login screen is genuinely perfect

[crystal pond]

Balasgos bane...?

[deep pawn]

MW never used faeline cause the mana cost was nuts

[signal bone]

new animations?

big if true

[cosmic beacon]

tru its like 2k mana for absolutely no damage and healing

and if u get giga procs u just oom yourself for no return

[dense plover]

Are servers up

[cunning fossil]

Porter seems to be on it

[dense plover]

As of now I don’t have access

I don’t think I’m gonna get it tbh

[mossy meteor]

yes they're up

[plain violet]

No key for me too.. :(

[austere gazelle]

Oh if the small changes for the DH are a preview of what it will lead to, it's already freaking good

[cunning fossil]

no key ;-;

[signal bone]

any new animations?

[austere gazelle]

Maybe for Beta

[cunning fossil]

woooo Monk Calc up!! IO'm excited

[dense plover]

wtf

celestial brew and purifying brew are talents

wtf

those are literally how the fucking spec works

WTF blizzard

how is the entire kit talents

like what do they have? blackout kick, spinning crane kick and tiger palm?

[plain violet]

I don't understand too.

[dense plover]

wtf is this tree

im SO ANGRY

this is legit unacceptabke

the entire fucking tree is just your base abilities

[trail knot]

like all trees?

[signal bone]

that's literally every tree lol

[dense plover]

no its way worse

they literally dont have a baseline kit

like - not even their first tank ability

and like - they need BOTH brews to FUNCTION

you literally dont get to have any fun with the spec tree

what a fucking waste

[signal bone]

but that's how all the spec trees work

every spec tree has core elements that make the spec work early in the tree

[dense plover]

WHY THE FUCK IS TIGERS LUST THE BASELINE FOR THE CLASS

[signal bone]

that you could theoretically skip

but you won't

[dense plover]

im beyond angry

theres like 7 talents that are necessary abilities for basic function as a tank

why are they talents instead of being talents that IMPROVE those abilities?

dude'

you have to TAKE roll on the class tree

the fuck

thats their key fucking class movement ability

WHO DESIGNED THIS

WHAT FUCKING IDIOT IS IN CHARGE

like - why do i have to take SOOTHING MIST for ROLL????????

and you cant get your base interrupt until WAY too late in the class tree

the actual fuck

its like they put everything in a hat and just drew stuff randomly

i cant wait for the monk guide writers to tear blizzard a new one

seriously - give me back old monk talents - this is a downgrade

[mossy meteor]

roll is baseline

the talent is just 2nd charge

[cunning fossil]

naicu

Damn getting Tigers Lust for free?

nice

Roll making you immune to roots and snares is gonna be neat inPVp

Taking Trancendence to gain Ring of Peace

is that good?>

Yo you can summon an Ox Statue AND a Jade statue as Brew?

That's really good right?

Having to Take Heavy Air to get Grace of the Crane seems REALLY bad ngl

looking at the blue post of Paladins and Warriors is like night and day in terms of interaction and actual feedback comprehension

[languid yoke]

idk I think you need to chill out, the WW/Brew trees are looking pretty neat (can't speak for MW)

if you have levelled as brew recently you will remember that you don't get your important stuff for AGES

blizzard considers stagger itself the base

[cunning fossil]

oh I'm not angry or anything I'm just giving my opinions

[languid yoke]

not you

mrpeach

the obviously overly angry person

[charred gyro]

we all need husbands named beef

[plain violet]

Oh my god I love this dialogue.

What is the response for "Why is Wellington so cute?"

[rain cave]

you clearly haven't seen the other trees

[glass flicker]

XD

[upper pasture]

their husband BEEF

BEEF WELLINGTON

[zealous basalt]

The class tree of the monk be very sus not gonna lie

[subtle oar]

I'm with Peach on this one, the Brew monk tree is unacceptable

[zealous basalt]

havent seen the tank one

[dense plover]

brew is by far the worst

the entire spec has no spec abilities

its literally all in talents

its trash

they ruined my class

[cunning fossil]

Monk Class Tree definitely looks rough

[zealous basalt]

damn ngl the fact you get the abilities at that late

its not looking fun

[dense plover]

yeah

they ruined the class

its worse than the initial hunter tree

[cunning fossil]

the fact that Breath of Fire is SO low in the second gate is really

sucky

[dense plover]

its potentially unplayable

[zealous basalt]

lvl 50

[cunning fossil]

Hopefully they change it

[dense plover]

this shouldnt have been released

i wouldve prefered no brew over this

[rain cave]

purifying brew is no more core than raging blow for fury

and that's a talent

[dense plover]

like how holy was delayed

[dense plover]

every brewmaster brew is a talent

its the fucking spec name

and NONE of it is baseline

[rain cave]

a lot of things aren't baseline anymore

[zealous basalt]

Well, for that most of

[rain cave]

because talents

[zealous basalt]

yeh

[cunning fossil]

They need to put it out there.

[zealous basalt]

most of the things aren't baseline anymore

[cunning fossil]

better now this was released than launch

[crimson jasper]

oh boy

people going insane I see

[dense plover]

but most =/= all

[crimson jasper]

always fun to check in with new updates xD

[zealous basalt]

the thing is that most of the good things of brewmaster are so low

[dense plover]

and right now, its literally the entire spec put at like level 50

its trash

[zealous basalt]

that the road to those mean that you gotta cut half of the brews

[dense plover]

so 1-40 is just unplayable

[cunning fossil]

I suppose they believe that Stagger is the main defensive mechanic?

So as long as you get that early enough, you're fine?

[zealous basalt]

imo

[cunning fossil]

that's not my opinion

[zealous basalt]

purifying brew should be where shuffle is

[crimson jasper]

I mean "unplayable" you dont really do much in low lvl content

aside from poking some quest mobs

I aint a monk guy tho by any means so idk^^

[rain cave]

a lot of things are arguably "unplayable" then at low levels

[cunning fossil]

they're practically next to each other

I don't see the benefit of doing that ngl?

Because purifying REQUIRES Stagger in the first place

[zealous basalt]

stagger is at the beginning

[cunning fossil]

exactly

[languid yoke]

just sayin'

it's kinda just mirroring this

is that a good thing? That's another debate. You're getting Keg Smash much earlier than on live though

they purposefully aren't giving you instant access to purifying/celestial brew because they still want some learning curve and not instantly overwhelm people speccing into brewmaster

[zealous basalt]

thankfully ww is a bit better

[languid yoke]

they explained that before for other specs

[cunning fossil]

i havn't checked WW out yet. MW looks really cool though

can either go full caster or damage

[rain cave]

maybe breath of fire could be higher up but

[cunning fossil]

yeah

[crimson jasper]

is it btw?^^

[rain cave]

swap these?

[cunning fossil]

that would make way more sense ye

[ancient jasper]

Oh, hey, DH are last. Just like I knew they'd be

[zealous basalt]

You kno i really like the last tier talents of the ww in the center

freaking Legion monk spamming kicks

[cunning fossil]

Someone was gonna be last tbf

[ancient jasper]

I mean I shouldn't be that surprised. They ignored 95% of the DH feedback throughout Shadowlands so I guess the only hope is they don't screw us over on the Talent Tree aspect. They're already nerfing our Haste from the looks of it

[zealous basalt]

ur 2 fast

[mossy meteor]

Yes

[crimson jasper]

ah sweet

[nocturne totem]

Do we know if the changing talent sets anywhere is a permanent change or just an Alpha testing thing?

[cunning fossil]

it looks to be a permanent change that is awaiting feedback

but it's likely going to stick around for live

[dense plover]

yeah its almost definitely permanent

the 5 sec cast thing might end up getting extended is my guess

probably to 10

just so people cant change mid-pvp or something

at least not easily

[mossy meteor]

monk trees bugged lol

[cunning fossil]

I already know I'm gonna love the NMokhud Offensive

[cunning fossil]

Heyo Peach I have an ask.
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/monk/brewmaster/BOEFCRGFURVVIIKBBVOVWRUEFVFUQiRBECUA

How does this build look?

yes there is no Breath of Fire

that is deliberate

Made this build to like try and off set the loss of Magical Damage Mitigation from Stagger

[harsh hinge]

when your class designer quit a few weeks ago so you get no updates

💀

[cunning fossil]

i thought he was fired?

[dense plover]

honestly i dont think you can have a solid brewmaster without BoF

its something like 5-10% damage reduction

especially from trash

i think chi torpedo is a waste

black ox statue without BoF is sorta dumb imo

the point of the statue is grouping up enemies

wtf man - why is ring of peace in the middle and above eye of the tiger

what a dumb choice

i dont use that - its mediocre and super situational

why take celestial flames without BoF?

[upper pasture]

Use what eye or ring?

[dense plover]

ring - i like eye, ring is boring

[dense plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/monk/brewmaster/BNQVSRGFVRVVIICBVOVWRUEVVFUQiBBECUA this is what i did with the build

dropped some talents to get more mobility and a shorter cooldown on leg sweep

[upper pasture]

I’ve seen a lot of monk tanks use ring pretty successfully.

[dense plover]

those extra stuns/interrupts are very strong

[dense plover]

i just really dont like it - its totally counter to the normal playstyle and doesnt really fit in anywhere ¯_(ツ)_/¯

its useful in M+

but that doesnt mean i like it

[upper pasture]

I suppose

[dense plover]

i hate how there are a bunch of mediocre 3% talents and then all the major talents are just "here is an ability you had in SLs"

like literally, brewmaster has less stuff now

they literally cant have all of their stuff

meanwhile hunter has a bunch of new stuff

warriors too

it just sucks

[upper pasture]

I mean, it’s the first tree released so there’s time for adjustment

[dense plover]

they put like 10 current abilities in the spec tree

[dense plover]

it REALLY needs to change

[upper pasture]

We can be hopeful

[dense plover]

this tree is so bad i might not sub

it legit kills my interest in my fucking main

[upper pasture]

I mean you weren’t subbed before

But I feel that, can understand how much it sucks to see your main get shorted

[dense plover]

i mean - DF looks cool - the change in endgame seems good

but if i cant enjoy my class, why bother?

[upper pasture]

Tbf you can’t currently enjoy your class as it is played now. There’s plenty of time for things to change for the better

[dense plover]

i mean - i got a sub

and i played during SLs

brew feels great

this feels bad

like i get 30 spec points

and i get free choice for like 10-15 of them

so why even give me 30?

ok apparently im wrong about the number of abilities from spec baseline

i guess it just feels REALLY bad for brew because almost none of the spec kit is tied to baseline vs for example hunter, where they still get some of their kit baseline

honestly i DO think shuffle and stagger should be pulled off the tree

those are required for the spec

you literally cant tank without them

can you imagine being queued with a rando who doesnt take shuffle for some reason?

but theyre your tank

and theyre constantly dying

[upper pasture]

I mean, I’ve queued up and got tanks that sit in fury spec now

[dense plover]

this is going to be a problem

[upper pasture]

Bad players will just be bad players

There’s just a lot of room for bad players with brews trees

But again this is the first tree it will probably change once they get feedback

[dense plover]

the real problem afaict is there isnt a lot of room for GOOD trees

there are so many mandatory options and theyre so spread out

across both trees

like - why is the base interrupt SO far down the class tree?

you literally cant interrupt until level 26

well apparently that lines up with others

i dont think thats a good design decision

[upper pasture]

I mean you can paralyze things

Not the greatest since the base 45 sec cd

[dense plover]

i think leg sweep MIGHT be baseline?

[upper pasture]

But you can pick that up pretty quickly and then sweep

And ring

But by the time you have ring you’ll have more than enough interrupts

[dense plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/monk/brewmaster/BOQVgRCFRZRVQKCBBEOVWREFVRVUCIEEUCBB this is my initial tree just doing a once over

i skipped weapons of order because i really dont like it

i hope they change it or remove it tbh

imo getting roll stuff and healing and dmg reduction is key

[upper pasture]

It’s kinda weird roll needs to be picked up at all

Cause like that was a monks thing

Kinda nervous they are gonna make DHs pick up double jump or glide lol

[dense plover]

it doesnt

its a bug

[upper pasture]

Oh whew

[dense plover]

the thing near the top is an extra charge

so with that and celerity you can get 3 charges

like that old legendary let you

btw getting to dig through the db2s

49440 RENOWN_LEVEL_UP_SKIP_BUTTON Skip

you can skip the renown level animation now

or you WILL be able to

49442 MAJOR_FACTION_RENOWN_TUTORIAL_PROGRESS Earning reputation will fill this bar. Once full you will gain a Renown level and unlock a reward.

and this answers how renown works

rep = renown

but you still gain it piecemeal

so its more like extra levels at max now

which is neat

49457 LOOT_ROLL_INELIGIBLE_REASON6 You already have a powerful version of this item. new loot option

49459    PROFESSIONS_GATHERING_STAT_DIFFICULTY_DESCRIPTION    Determines how much Skill is required to gather the primary reagent found here at higher qualities.```

looks like gathering is going to have difficulty stuff AT the node

im assuming it wont open a menu and will be mouseover

they removed the tyrande ysera stuff

so they might actually be changing that

could also just be encrypted

they also removed some competitive dialogue between wrathion and sabellian

so they might be changing that too

[cunning fossil]

Ah I see. I picked up Celestial Flame so that Spinning Crane kick would sometimes be able to proc it. But I do get what you mean since it's way less RNG and you have more control over the DR.

[cunning fossil]

because Celestial Flames apply BoF anyways via Spinning Crane Kick

[dense plover]

you want 100% uptime on BoF

anything less is unnecessary damage

[cunning fossil]

Again that's probably not a good idea.

That's fair.

[dense plover]

thats why i went through and made my own tree

its all focused on dmg reduction, mitigation and a ton of mobility and stuns

also sal'salabims and extra keg smash

[cunning fossil]

I was leaning more towards the self healing I suppose lol.

[dense plover]

because extra keg smash is SO good when combined with blackout combo

[cunning fossil]

oh and dodghes. it sounds cool

also understood! That makes sense.

[dense plover]

its definitely not optimal

i didnt take WoO

i took bonedust brew

[cunning fossil]

Oh neither did I

[dense plover]

and bonedust is pretty mediocre

but i like the thematics

[cunning fossil]

Interestin. I getcha.

To be honest I'll have at least one meme build for every spec anyways so this type of feedback is good.

[dense plover]

oh this is neat - it seems there can be primalist storms of differtent elements at different places

[cunning fossil]

I know my build is like hella cheesey

Oh really?

like Pre Patch or in the world?

[dense plover]

there are also new "rally" events for people to join multiplayer races

[dense plover]

endgame in DF zones

[cunning fossil]

oh damn nice

[dense plover]

Elemental Storm Primalists have unleashed a fire storm in Scalecracker Keep.

Elemental Storm Primalists have unleashed a torrential water in Scalecracker Keep.

this is true for a bunch of different locations

i think its one per zone?

maybe 2?

there might be a new endgame questline?

In Tyr's Footsteps: The Azure Span

theres one of these for each zone

theres the answer to the storms

```|cFFFFD200World Event:|r Primal Storms|nGather and combine the Dimmed Primeval Fire,|nWater, Storm, and Earth. ````

maybe

this is under heirloom

so idk

maybe also prepatch?

dungeons got their descriptions touched up

they changed some of the WQ garrtalent stuff

like tireless grip chalk no longer stops you losing grip, instead it doubles your base amount - which is good because removing the mechanic is dumb

Valdrakken 10.0 Valdrakken - Weekly Wrapper (LJS) this is under campaign

i assume this means there will be weekly quests endgame

also the renown rewards look great

[uncut vault]

the two things removed were cutscene dialogues likely intended to be encrypted

[dense plover]

yeah thats my guess as well

i just said it was possible theyre changing it

[uncut vault]

this quest is awkward as a draenei lmao

[cunning fossil]

I don't wanna be owned on twitter by Professional Warriors anymore. I just think SMF is cool ;-;

[crimson jasper]

it is, wielding all kinds of weapons is cool, 1 or 2 handed

[deep pawn]

send feedback and maybe they'll adjust the dialog for Draenei

the new SMF build does seem cool

[uncut vault]

really cool use of the xpac mechanics for this dungeon

[cunning fossil]

Agreed the dungeon looks sick

[crimson jasper]

I was hoping theyd use it in dungeons

and the raid for that matter

[ember blaze]

hoping for a cool racing intermission for a raid boss

[crimson jasper]

same

while people would probably say "oh no thats gonna be boring later on"

like

doesnt matter

give us a spectacle

game is supposed to be fun

[ember blaze]

👍

[crimson jasper]

not always "efficient"

[sullen dawn]

What's this 'slower fury' build they mentioned

[cunning fossil]

Slower fury build?

Do you mean just a straight up heavier version of fury warrion?

As in they use 2handers and instead do big attacks instead

[sullen dawn]

Yeh In blue post they mentioned a fury sub spec which is slower

Dunno if it has anything to do with choosing SMF or titans

[cunning fossil]

Not too sure honestly but I'll have to read the blue post

[sullen dawn]

For a good deal of time there has been a consistent complaint that some players cannot continue to play Fury due to the intense nature of it. Our goal with Annihilator and the related talents is to create a sub spec that would provide a lower APM build that would still allow players to have fun, be competitive and feel like a Fury Warrior.

From blue

[cunning fossil]

Oh that's the SMF build he's talking about then

[sullen dawn]

Ah

As long as I can still dual wield two hander as transmog all good

[rain cave]

the SMF fury build is based around speed I think, or atleast more autos for more rage and extra effects from 1h's

annihilator if I remember correctly adds a 10 second cooldown to whirlwind

but buffs it up a lot

so there's a funny build you can do where you get all the talents that effect whirlwind and stack them, so your whirlwind becomes a mini CD basically

something more akin to a mortal strike than a slam

[cunning fossil]

Annihilator makes one handed weapon auto attacks deal more damage and replaces raging bow.

What you're thinking of is Storm of Steel, which gives Whirldwind AND Slam 6 second cooldowns and 100% increased damage and also makes Slam generate 5 rage

[rain cave]

weird, did they rename it from annihilator? since I remember reading the patchnotes and seeing they changed annihilator but it had the whirlwind text on it

[rain cave]

storm of steel increases ravager duration

[rain cave]

it's storm of swords

[languid yoke]

was there no alpha invite wave yesterday? Haven't seen anyone get excited over a newly received invite the last two days

[subtle oar]

At this point, everyone Blizz wants in alpha are already there

[crystal pond]

Yep

Now everyone just wait for beta

[subtle oar]

We likely will not see any inv waves until beta

[austere gazelle]

So they invited people who play ALL the classes full time and knows them by heart ?

I'm not really optimist about those classes review then

[crystal pond]

Wdym

[plain violet]

Strangely, those two items have the Neltharion name in it.

[crystal pond]

Where are they?

[plain violet]

I dunno, didn't find yet the model..
But that's really strange

I wonder if that will be something old Neltharion would have wear?

[dense plover]

Probably just associated with Neltharus

[plain violet]

Could be possible.. But that's only a plate thing.

Maybe so a special cosmetic reward from the dungeon.

I did also find troll tooths.

And amusingly, the majority of "black dragonflight" items are purple and black.

There is also, for skinning, a "void dragon" and "infinite dragon" option.

But the two icons are empty.

[pulsar minnow]

Well that makes sense I guess, since we did find the uncorrupted Void Dragons in BFA and that plotline was kinda left hanging

[plain violet]

It could, but those items seem more to be dungeon drop (divided between flight, each icon has a black, bronze, red, blue.. each one is accurate except the black, that is black and purple)

[dense plover]

It’s almost guaranteed this expac had to tie into old gods/void SOMEHOW

[plain violet]

https://wow.zamimg.com/images/wow/icons/large/inv_10_dungeonjewelry_dragon_necklace_2_black.jpg

Like this one.

[dense plover]

there’s so much titan machinery on the isles that it wouldn’t make sense for there to not be SOMETHING old god related

That’s pretty much the majority of titan facilities

[plain violet]

I think it too Peach, plus the side quest with the dracthyrs and dragons going crazy with a relic.

[dense plover]

My guess is that the dragon isles are sitting on top of the 5th old god

[plain violet]

Oooh. Could be...

[dense plover]

They never said it doesn’t exist

[pulsar minnow]

Honestly... I'd kinda hate that

[dense plover]

I think it’s a solid idea, especially if it ties back into the original art

[plain violet]

We also have seen Netlharion, on a datamined text, using VOid without getting crazy yet. 🤔

[dense plover]

And it would explain why Neltharion was so easily corrupted

And how Nozdormu is influenced by the old gods to become Murozond

Or it could be the CORPSE of the 5th old god

One that was killed by the other 4 but as we know, even their corpses are dangerous

And then they bring back Xalatath and the dagger and give Nzoth the proper expac he deserves

[plain violet]

The corpse could be..

I think the subplot of the dracthyrs memories will play a part here.

They have seen Neltharion using the void in the past (versus the primalists)

[dense plover]

Idk how much of a plot to expect there. I think it’s just going to be a few cutscenes in their intro

[plain violet]

So.. what they could remember more.

[dense plover]

I wouldn’t mind seeing them expand on Neltharion lore

[plain violet]

Maybe! But for example, the sidequest at the Ohnaran plains with the sundered flames, is about searching their origins.

[dense plover]

But I personally think there’s a big titan facility beneath the isles doing SOMETHING and that’s what that 10.1 underground stuff is

[plain violet]

Or, one of the azure dungeon boss, is also a dracthyr searching the truth about his origins.

That's possible. :)

Maybe the expansion would be "HOW he created us". Like... the perfect creation they are of all flights, how could he do that.

And maybe, maybe, the void could have a part here.

(Because Void is pretty good at mixing life and essence, we know that from Legion)

[dense plover]

Bare minimum we know a lot of these titan facilities go very deep underground

They have lava and most of them disappear into bottomless pits

So there is absolutely something down there

[plain violet]

Yup... And they are pretty much the underground flight.

[dense plover]

Not to mention those mole people that were discovered that I don’t believe have actually shown up ingame

[plain violet]

I don't remember them..

[dense plover]

It’s a datamined model

[plain violet]

Niiiice...

[dense plover]

Gonna try and find it

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1548467655253692423?s=20&t=oN-8Dmc73enaq5c5hzQSkg

Simaia - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturn)

la creatura (mole guy?)

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jul 17, 2022, 12:40 AM

Might be this - can’t check because work internet blocks twitter for some reason

[languid yoke]

why are we even fighting him

[plain violet]

He's of the Sundered Flame, so a traitor, they want to find their origins, but consider the aspects are complicit to Neltharion treachery. :) @languid yoke

[plain violet]

Yeah, it is!

[crystal pond]

I "love" the plot about that "neltharion broked his promise to dracthyr by getting corrupted and dying out"

[plain violet]

Yes, I totally understand that the dracthyrs can feel some anger about that.

[pulsar minnow]

I thought the Sundered Flame is ticked off primarily over that the Aspects kept them in stasis for 20,000 years as though they were just tools and not living breathing people. Along with the Neltharion breaking his oath thing

[plain violet]

Many things, yes. :)

Ttriggered about being used as tools, in stasis, that the world is not "right", the no agency part... Neltharion... and wanting to understand what they really are.

[rain cave]

What's the story with galakrond s corpse in Northrend, ik lich King wanted to resurrect it but why didn't he?

[crystal pond]

There is a spell/item about "neltharion final command: free will" and scene script to that
Wonder what is that and the reason why they was puted in stasis

[rain cave]

It's interesting that neltharions story gets so interesting after his death

[crystal pond]

Because it was so freaking big, and needed so a lot of necro magic, that it was toohard even for lich king power

[rain cave]

Since he sounded like an interesting chap pre corrupton

[crystal pond]

It was telled in one of the quest in dragonblight but i dont remeber wich quest

[rain cave]

Because of how they're setting it up, I'm convinced we'll get some coverage on what drove him mad

[crystal pond]

His cinematic hits different after we all learn about him

[rain cave]

Perhaps the djardin are involved, their lava magic is quite similar to death wings appearance

And a different old god pallete could be cool

Doesn't even have to be an old god necessarily

But a lot of what I'm thinking theory wise is related to what the beam in tyrhold is channeling in to

[crystal pond]

I hope underground dangeon will not be boring

[rain cave]

Tyr is a character known for his hand

I feel like calling it tyrhold is very intentional

What is it holding

It's tied to magic in azeroth from what we've seen

[crystal pond]

Maybe tyr hold of the dragons

[rain cave]

The core didn't need to be active after the sundering

But now it does again

[crystal pond]

I think its Tyr's hold over dragons, sinse they was created with Tyr's help (aka he saw potentional in them and such) and get under his command and such

[rain cave]

The dragons have free will though,

[crystal pond]

Also about neltharion
It was sayed that neltharion power was litteraly feeling every rock and planet whole (he was even feeling azeroth heart) and its start broking his soul and then there old gods who like "void void void void"

[crystal pond]

Dracthyr have free will too
And before they was like with their own will but before 10.1 we will not know the true story of all of this

[uncut vault]

Azurethal got voice acting added

looks like they changed him into a guy, was a woman in the initial draft

[rain cave]

where have I heard that VA before

what does he mean by their visages being "distinctive"

[uncut vault]

Probably the scales and the like 😛

[subtle oar]

We stopped him

It was one of the dragonblight questlines

[cunning fossil]

Turned him into a twunk I see

[crystal pond]

It's so unusual to hear him with such a deep voice. I hope all the plot drathyr will have an interesting voice acting

[rain cave]

ok

since I was going to tangent onto like "maybe galakronds essence/ the thing that corrupted him is under tyrhold"

[plain violet]

Really interesting, both the voice and the possible reason behind their unusual appareance!

[plain violet]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/quest=65099/neltharions-final-command

This one, but there is no "free will" part, strange. Maybe a "forget" however...

[uncut vault]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=365232/rtc-free-will

their free will was the reason they were put in stasis, Neltharion basically used what remained of his control over them after Raszageth shattered the control Locus to send them to their Weyrns, where Malygos put them in arcane stasis until Neltharion could find a new way to control them

[dusty trellis]

Will we lose our covenant abilities in old content when the expansion is released

And does the heart of Azeroth work in shadowlands cause it’s considered old content now?

[upper pasture]

prolly not, some covenant things are being put into trees so they will probs not work anymore? but then again why add envoker stuff for just prepatch? maybe they will make covenant things only work in SLs like they wanted to at first

[ancient jasper]

Losing Soulshape.. Sadge

[rain cave]

I think they're just making all covenant abilities into basically a single thing

boon of the covenants or whatever

whatever the dracthyr get

[upper pasture]

They should give us a soulshape/critter shape toy usable in rested areas at least

[pulsar minnow]

It would kinda suck to see Soulshape dropped completely

[upper pasture]

Like I get that the mobility moving forward would be weird to take away from say everyone but shamans if they let shamans use soulshape like wolf form

So just make it a toy and let people enjoy being their little soulshape for X amount of time

[proper palm]

"I hear some dragons even choose to look like gnomes, whatever that is"
"Wrathion could not tell me why our visages are so distinctive, perhaps Blizzard don't want to work for something amazing" 😂

[crystal pond]

Probably lorewise its because they half-mortal-half-dragon, and this is the reason why their visages with scales and other things, because they cant be "clean" cause they hybrid and bla bla bla

[upper pasture]

or you could go with they have too much power/too little power to hide their true form completely

[rain cave]

I think the best explanation would be they can only assume a visage form close to the essence of the mortal races used in their initial creation

or if their visage forms were given to them by wrathion, which is what I'm picking up

their visage forms were crafted to fit into the factions

humans and elves are in both

whereas a tauren visage would only really feel at home in the horde

since wrathion is very conscious of the factions I guess

[upper pasture]

i mean sure but that's not what they are talking about they are talking about why they still have horns and scales coming out

[crystal pond]

Is there new questlines in new build also?

[plain violet]

Thanks!

[uncut vault]

neither humans nor elves existed 20k years ago, is the issue haha

[rain cave]

elves did

I swear

[uncut vault]

elves did not

they came into being 16k years ago

[crystal pond]

I dont think this is because of the power, but because of their nature
How they can be mortals, when they are already are mortals
Like when dragons have they visage they have almost nothing of their true form, because its a shapeshift litteraly
But how it works with dracthyr, if they both already, probably its a sideaffect of the fact that they are «mortal-dragons»

[rain cave]

but would the dracthyr have been made 20k years ago?

[uncut vault]

Yes, the prepatch quest has direct confirmation they were made 20k years ago

[rain cave]

hm

well I guess the wrathion explanation is the most sense

since he is the one responsible for their visage forms yes?

[uncut vault]

thats what makes this dialogue a bit confusing haha, the wrathion/ebyssian dialogue mostly wrapped it up as just "plot convenient elf forms"

but now apparently it might still be something inherent to them

[errant prairie]

For human forms, when did the curse of flesh struck the vrykuls? Way after the War of the Ancients or before it?

[crystal pond]

It was even hited in one of the tablets in creche, that "a mortal races that start filling azeroth" or something like that
Probably trolls and taurens was just chilling

OH

Mogu also

And dwarfs and gnomes

Maybe their creation was after curse of flesh

[uncut vault]

gnomes and dwarves wasnt until post-sundering

[errant prairie]

Oh found it, unless it got changed it was around 15,000 when the process began. The curse of flesh that is.

[crystal pond]

They was existed 👀

[uncut vault]

even trolls werent actually around back then, the only one that might have been around were tauren/yaungol

[crystal pond]

If dracthyr creation was after curse of flesh then its can explain why dracthyr look like elves/human, but if it was before then wtf there was only taurens

[uncut vault]

curse of flesh was 5k years after the dracthyr

who knows maybe neltharion just shaved a bunch of tauren and tossed them in a blender

[crystal pond]

Its doesnt hit when curse of flesh happened
It happened in winterskorn war but when winterskorn war happened lol?

Also if blizzard didnt forget about this event and didnt retcon it

again

[rain cave]

well how do they GET their visages

I don't have full context from the vid

they sound surprised to have them

like they've just chosen them or been given them

[plain violet]

Curse of Flesh was after sundering yes, and during Loken betrayal.

They are surprised because the dragons teach them that, and that they both don't recognize but recognize "oh, it's me/it's you"

[zealous basalt]

Is there a place to read how these guys (dracthyr) were created?

[plain violet]

That's the thing : we do not know. :p

Themselves, it's a subplot, search their origins.

We know some elements of their creations, but not really their origins, and they want to know.

(supposedly, there is a cinematic that will talk about that, but even after that, we do have multiple NPC in search of their own past)

[crystal pond]

Wait what
So the whole mortal thing with dracthyr is even more confusing

[plain violet]

Wait no, I have said something stupid.
There were already vrykul in flesh, affected, before the sundering, during the kaldorei time. However, there were still not humans.

I messed the timeline of Loken betrayal.

(Because Yogg used Loken betrayal to spread the curse, with the forge)

[crystal pond]

"Yogg-Saron then proceeded to corrupt the keeper Loken, tricking him to create an army with the Forge of Wills and attack his former allies. He realized his mistake too late, as he noticed the dark affliction on his army.[5] After Loken's betrayal, many titan-forged were exiled. Around 15,000 years ago, the vrykul's metallic skin became brittle and weak.[7] Over their millenia of imprisonment, the afflicted vrykul continued to degenerate into fleshy beings later known as humans. Many other titan-forged - mechagnomes, tol'vir, mogu, and giants - would suffer a similar fate. However, Yogg-Saron's plan had unintended consequences; it gave rise to mortal qualities of necessity, such as courage, resolve, and heroism"

Yeah the curse of flesh was befor sundering but there is no true data of it
Onlyv vrykul beecoming human thing

[zealous basalt]

mang tf this is confusing

[plain violet]

Yeah, the "vrykuls but human way later" is from Wotlk.

The before Sundering is from Chronicle.

And it was during -15k

[zealous basalt]

Chronicle overwrites Wotlk right?

[plain violet]

Yeah, but Chronicle do not contradidacte WOTLK

As humans were still way later and the corruption debuted on vrykul

The thing being..

Dracthyr are effectively 20k before

So it's 5k before the curse

[zealous basalt]

those 5k years

[crystal pond]

Well mogu empire was old as hell, around when troll empire start rising, so like, curse of flesh was around dracthyr creation

[plain violet]

And this is confusing.

[zealous basalt]

maybe retcon inc?

[plain violet]

Mogu was still of stone at this moment, but trolls were good

[zealous basalt]

that or something else

[plain violet]

Something else

[crystal pond]

This is confusing as hell
Probably another retcon with time data for events

[plain violet]

I do not think it will be a retcon yet.

I mean, the game talked about "hey, dracthyrs want to understand why they look like this"

[zealous basalt]

And this should be on the drakthyr starting zone or is something that will still be during the game?

[plain violet]

During the game.

I do have a theory.

Neltharion used void already during the dracthyr period.

[crystal pond]

Because it hited "start filling with mortal races" and the only ancient races is trolls and taurens

[plain violet]

Maybe he used the void on them..

[plain violet]

Yuuup...

So a whole different look.

Kaldorei empire only debuted at 15k

[crystal pond]

Where it saying about that?

[plain violet]

Datamined cinematic text

He panick and use void to attack the primalist leader

[crystal pond]

Hold my beer
W h e r e

[plain violet]

And then Malygos lost it.. 😁

@uncut vault Do you still have the datamined text of the cinematic between Malygos and Neltharion ?

Because that's where the text (if it is keeped that way) show Neltharion already using void magic

[crystal pond]

I remember only their dialogue about "wtf neltharion what did you created??" thing

[plain violet]

Maybe it was removed, but the part I read was "wtf what did you created" and when the primalist leader destroyed the stone, neltharion responded with a void blast

(the stone that held the dracthyr in MC before)

[crystal pond]

I wanna see it

[plain violet]

If Portergauge still have it.. 🙏🏽

Because if that made it to live, maybe my theorie of the dracthyrs being made with void could be true.

[crystal pond]

And Neltharion corruption will be more logical

Used void in wrong way and nzoth sayed "bonjour"

[plain violet]

Exactly!
Like, he used this power from the deepest place of Azeroth (that were corrupted), wanting to help (as void can mix life together)...

But approaching him more and more from the corruption of his kind.

[crystal pond]

I wonder if neltharion was also hearing azeroth
And when he start hearing nzoth he confused him as azeroth voice and the whole sad thing happen

Because nzoth was corrupting him like for almost 10k years
Before Wota Neltharion was ok and a pretty good guy

[plain violet]

Exactly, I hope Blizzard will get it right, that Neltharion was a good guy before.
That would be interesting, normally he should have heard Azeroth's voice, as he could hear all voices of the Earth...

[crystal pond]

Yeah it was speculated that neltharion was a previos speaker, sinse he can fill azeroth heart as his own and her pain

Jesus imagine having a insta planet pressure on you and also filling azeroth pain when the WOONS was happening...

Neltharion life sucked after he beccamed aspect

[plain violet]

Yup... that's what make his story a tragedy, and his character noble before that...

He is truly the warder.

[rain cave]

I mean, idk if he was " good"

isn't a big part of the dragons lore that ages ago they were kind of on their high horses

I mean neltharion DID make a slave race

[crystal pond]

I mean he wasnt like big bad
Probably he did it right before wota, when nzoth start corrupting him even more
Because before that drogbars was chilling in his lair and serve him not as slaves

It was hitted like everywhere that he was wise and tried make a peace on azeroth at any coast

[signal bone]

damn 20 weeks to get a set of sub-lfr tier gear

why tho

[plain violet]

He did, but we knew in the same times that he molded mountains and rivers to benefits mortal races, so he was pretty considerate.

He was also considered the most noble (in heart) of all dragons, know for his benevolence.

[dense plover]

Oh neat so the primalist invasions are a way to gather currency for early endgame gear

That’s great!

[crimson jasper]

l bet people gonna complain xD

l like it, it's also a chill grind for some nice transmog

just grab a friend, slap some baddies and have fun

[uncut vault]

Neltharion: By my order, swear to me your undying loyalty.

Dracthyr: Raz-shala Neltharion!

Raszageth shatters the Oathmaker

Energy shoots through all nearby dracthyr

The Storm-Eater cackles and screams in victory

In rage and panic, Neltharion unleashes void magic

Raszageth is forced back into the vault and the door seals shut behind her

Malygos: What have you wrought? These creatures are mortal, but they possess power from each of the flights?

Neltharion: The drakonid were only a first step. There is potential here.

Malygos: Not if you cannot control them. You made them too powerful and Raszageth destroyed your artifact. Even now I feel your power over these mortals waning.

Neltharion: I will not see them harmed.

Malygos: Do you think so low of me? No. Use what control you still have over them and send them to their creche. My flight shall place them in stasis until a time you can fix what Razsageth has done.

Neltharion YELL: Very well. DRACTHYR, BY MY ORDER, RETURN TO YOUR BARRACKS.

[crimson jasper]

duck mount??

haha xD

[plain violet]

Thanks!

So there is still the void part...

[uncut vault]

Well these have all since been removed so we dont know if that'll stay, but it likely will

[plain violet]

Understood! If it stay that way, that would be interesting. Surely the dialogues would have some changes but that's a crucial detail. This and the father feeling.

[plain violet]

@crystal pond

[crystal pond]

Oooh
Thank you very much Portergauge!

[plain violet]

:)

[uncut lintel]

IIS THIS REAL

R WE GTTING A DUCK MOUNT

[plain violet]

Quest

Not a mount for now

[uncut lintel]

awww

; (

day ruined

[plain violet]

Be patient. :)

[uncut lintel]

im been patieent for months

[plain violet]

More patient !

[uncut vault]

ow

[plain violet]

aouch.

[glass flicker]

I think the best one shot in the game is from Opulence.

"A Very Painful Amount of Damage"

[plain violet]

@uncut vault https://www.wowhead.com/beta/sound=205911/filedata-4621438 It seem some dracthyrs have voice in dracthyr form.

The voice is only used for a dracthyr, for now, Malicia.

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/sound=205909/filedata-4621435

[rain cave]

kinda annoyed their voices are just filtered edgy

also with a name like malicia you know she's gon be bad

[uncut vault]

Yeah I found a few of them around Valdrakken

Malicia isn't bad, shes the PvP NPC for the xpac

[rain cave]

just because she's bad doesn't make her a villain

but from the voices she do sound kinda evil

even if not an enemy

the name too

[uncut vault]

and Im telling you she isnt, she's just the PvP NPC lol

she's got quests like being suspicious about ducks

[upper pasture]

glad someone is watching those ducks besides me

[rain cave]

I'm not claiming she isn't the pvp npc

these things are not mutually exclusive

she can be bad, evil and also the PvP vendor

[plain violet]

Do you have another voiced PNJ? :o

I mean, in dracthyr form.

[uncut vault]

Only recorded Malicia and Azurethal sadly

[plain violet]

Oh, crap. :(
But thanks! :)

It will happen with time, but we already have great informations.

That the dracthyr voice has some echo, that they can call others "mortals"..

[deep pawn]

So, interesting fact. The 9.0.1 prepatch went on the PTR 2 months before it went live. Could we get a pre-patch ptr before beta? 😄

7.0 and 8.0 were 1 month before it went live

[cosmic beacon]

unholy changes

[upper pasture]

pog?

[cosmic beacon]

looks pog

basically all around buffs and improvements

[upper pasture]

pog then

[cunning fossil]

Wow it's almost as if they were tryign to compile as many changes as possible

[cosmic beacon]

unholy needs it

[ionic terrace]

O no

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/im-in-favor-of-the-timeskip/1301042/47

Time skip confirmed

[cunning fossil]

we know the time skip is happening

the question is how lon g

[upper pasture]

5 years

it says

[deep pawn]

Anduin gonna need a new model. He's gonna be 24-26, bearded and daddy AF I bet.

[upper pasture]

well...techanically 3 years

since SLs took 2 years and then 3 years passed and now we have DF

but as it says SLs started on year 35 and DF starts on year 40

[cunning fossil]

I kind hope he stays shaved ngl. BUt seeing him older will be interesting

[rain cave]

He just turns into a doomer wojak

[dense plover]

Nice to get a specific timeline - shadowlands is 2 years and dragon flight is 3 years after

So 5 years between BfA and DF

[rain cave]

How do we know

[crimson jasper]

l think it's good that way and not having a "time flows different in SL" bs to deal with

[upper pasture]

because reading is fun

[dense plover]

They really do need to change the dialogue that says a “few years” to explicitly say 3

[rain cave]

Where's the specific length stated

[rain cave]

They say several which is worse

[dense plover]

It’s stated in Danuser’s post

They need to change the dialogue now

[rain cave]

Where did he post

[upper pasture]

look up

[dense plover]

Idk but check the wowhead news

[upper pasture]

it's literally right there

[rain cave]

Where

[dense plover]

It links the post right there

[rain cave]

Where

[dense plover]

Latest news

[upper pasture]

okay well i'm done

[dense plover]

Literally

[rain cave]

Latest news?

[dense plover]

Yes

#latest-news

[rain cave]

Oh that's a channel here

[dense plover]

Doof

[upper pasture]

i think he's bumped his head

[deep pawn]

Hyped for the Thalyssra and Lorthemar wedding short story

[mossy meteor]

Besides stretching out the WoW timeline a bit, another benefit of this fast-forward is that it will let our younger characters get a little older, allowing some of them to take a larger role in future storylines. Yet not so much time will be passing that you’d expect characters who are already adults to look significantly different.

The reign of Dagran Thaurissan II is coming!

[crimson jasper]

who?

[rain cave]

Who's that

The best grow up I've seen yet is that whelp from the blue dragons quests in legion being older

[mossy meteor]

he's moira's son

[rain cave]

Lol

[mossy meteor]

and son of the BRD endboss

[crystal pond]

Oh lol

[mossy meteor]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dagran_Thaurissan

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dagran_Thaurissan_II

he's been a baby since cata

lmao

[rain cave]

Damn dwarves have been getting fuck all in current lore huh

[mossy meteor]

at least in game anyway

in books he's old

[rain cave]

Gnomes had more lore significance in this xpac than dwarves

[mossy meteor]

When King Anduin Wrynn visited Ironforge following the Argus Campaign, Dagran accompanied his mother and the king on a walk through Ironforge, including a visit to his favorite place, the Hall of Explorers. Anduin guessed that the prince was six or seven years old.

[upper pasture]

i mean tbf we literally listened to a dwarf all last expansion

[rain cave]

I've listened to night elf drama for 3 expansions now

😂

[upper pasture]

your point being?

[deep pawn]

So Dagran would be about 14 now?

[rain cave]

I want more variety in the races in the stories

[deep pawn]

14-16 is when Anduin became an adventurer of sorts

[rain cave]

If nelf can get a random quest to get night warrior custom

Give tauren a sun warrior version idk

Anshe borne

Or red orcs

Leper gnomes

Broken draenei

[upper pasture]

i mean we got dark ranger so they do be coming out with them

they want to add things when it makes sense not just randomly because it's "what the people want"

[pulsar minnow]

Personally, I really think this timeskip needed to happen for the story

I realized recently I've been wrong for a while about some of the timeline

Wrathion was born in year 29 during the Hour of Twilight patch right

Meaning he was 4-6 in BFA

Yikes. I get Dragons grow at an accelerated rate but wow the future Aspect should definitely be in the double digits to be qualified 😂

[upper pasture]

i mean isn't that part of the reasoning some of the blackfight on DI oppose Wrathion being the aspect?

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but he’s still being set up for the position regardless

That’s going to be his character arc- learning what it means to be an earth warder and not a self-righteous snob. But it’s laughable if he were to still take up the role at like 6 years old

[mossy meteor]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-hunters/1279513/228

god damn

more hunter changes

[dense plover]

Wtf

Where are Druid and monk changes? Or priest changes?

[cunning fossil]

Druid and Priest Dev left didn'yt they?

and Monk Changes were just released Peach

So we'll probably have to wait until next week for those

New 2-point passive talent, Serrated Shots: Serpent Sting and your bleed damage is increased by 10/20% damage. This value increases to 20/40% against targets below 30% HP.
New 2-point passive talent: Arctic Bola - Aimed Shot/Cobra Shot/Raptor Strike/Mongoose Bite have a chance to fling a bola out at your target that bounces 2/4 times and deals increased damage per point. Targets struck by the bola are snared by 20% for 3 sec.

Artic Bola sound sso cool

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/davonne-rogers-pretends-to-be-shocked-surprised-gif-6175133

[cunning fossil]

bruh Hunter thread has 222 posts on it

How big is the next class?

[subtle oar]

The Bloody Frenzy that adjusted Barbed Shot Frenzy stack generation has been removed.

NOOOOOOO

I loved that new talent!

[crystal pond]

Wtf are hunters getting changes 25/8

When others just doesnt exist...

[subtle oar]

Aspect of the Wild has been redesigned.

Aspect of the Wild now fires a Cobra Shot at your target and another nearby target. While Aspect of the Wild is active, Cobra Shot’s Focus cost is reduced by 10, and each Cobra Shot fires a Second Cobra Shot at a nearby target.

Huh. BM Hunters are getting basically Warlock Havoc

@cunning fossil New choice node below Aspect of the Wild: Each temporary beast summoned reduces the cooldown of Aspect of the Wild by 5 sec. Cobra Shot damage increased by 30% while Aspect of the Wild is active.

More support for a Zoo build for ya

[crimson jasper]

l still wanna see Soar changes

not buying the bs of "the changes don't impact the fun factor"

[mossy meteor]

At this point I doubt we'll get the speed change reverted unfortunately

[crimson jasper]

then remove the CD fully

[mossy meteor]

Isn't it already down to 3 minutes

[crimson jasper]

l bet the same guy that puts a 10 hour cd on toys was looking at Soar

[mossy meteor]

Probably not because

Class designers don't design rewards

[crimson jasper]

so far the expac looks great

but Soar is a big L from what they did

removing a non problem

[mossy meteor]

I believe that people like scarizard design all rewards but it could probably be a sub-section of the rewards team that does toys

[crimson jasper]

typical Blizzard

[mossy meteor]

Because scarizard himself designs weapons

[crimson jasper]

don't take this too literal

[mossy meteor]

He made the kt (?) weapon, jailer mace

And a few more iconic ones

[crimson jasper]

tldr l am just saying someone at blizz shat their pants when they saw people liked it and wanted more of it

[mossy meteor]

Plus trinkets

[crimson jasper]

so the "problem" had to be solved

[mossy meteor]

The soar speed probably deserved a nerf but

I don't think it needed that big of a nerf

[crimson jasper]

the nerf isn't even the biggest issue

[mossy meteor]

Like if it was at, idk, 950%

[crimson jasper]

their reasoning/excuse for it is

[mossy meteor]

Why not make it 800

Instead of 650 or whatever

[crimson jasper]

"advantage over other races" etc

[ionic terrace]

3.50

[crimson jasper]

BS

[mossy meteor]

Yeah the reasoning is fucking dumb

[crimson jasper]

yeap

[mossy meteor]

They mention pet battles

[crimson jasper]

that's what annoys me

yeeeap

[mossy meteor]

Who the fuck cares about pet battles lmao

[ionic terrace]

i am also dumb

me

[crimson jasper]

God no we can do them faster

[ionic terrace]

😠

[crimson jasper]

imagine

[mossy meteor]

Paddo

[ionic terrace]

[crimson jasper]

pet battle meta is in shambles

evoker break the meta

[mossy meteor]

You're memeing but

I'm 90% sure a person like that exists

On the official forums

[crimson jasper]

world first pet battle race ruined

most likely

but

do they know druids exist

or mages

or vulpera with a literal hearthstone anywhere

mole machine

[deep pawn]

Some people level alts by doing all the account wide pet quests each day and turn in on another character

[crimson jasper]

the list goes fkn on xD

[mossy meteor]

Mole machine with access to sha and mogushan vaults

[crimson jasper]

oh no they will feel so bad if random Dracthyr will do it FASTER

[mossy meteor]

They just need to add dragon riding to the main azeroth zones

Definitely isn't happening on launch but

10.2 maybe

Or 10.3 if it happens

[crimson jasper]

yea they need to

[mossy meteor]

(because you never know what might happen that'd cause an entire patch to be cut)

[crimson jasper]

it won't "invalidate" the "hard earned" flying mounts

like they say

same could be said about ground mounts then

didn't care about that

[mossy meteor]

Yeah i mean

With flying everywhere

[crimson jasper]

it's a alternate travel possibility

[mossy meteor]

Ground mounts just don't exist anymore

Nobody uses them

[crimson jasper]

wanna hf and some engagement

dragon riding

[mossy meteor]

Even when leveling alts people use flying mounts

[crimson jasper]

wanna go scratch your fkn nuts, auto walk afk flying

ez

Also yes

so they are afraid the "mount collection" will be worthless

in what world will it be blizz?

if a golden pile of shit Hat mog was THE rarest thing

people would wear it

even if you introduce another Helm transmog

[mossy meteor]

They added many unique mounts

But people still use the 3 pixel mount from wrath or tbc or cata

Xd

[crimson jasper]

l mean hey the new jelly cat can't fly

[mossy meteor]

Yeah

[crimson jasper]

so it's worthless lg?

[mossy meteor]

Pretty much worthless

They should make it fly

[crimson jasper]

l dont mind

[mossy meteor]

The store mount cat can fly

[crimson jasper]

but it's the same with thinking "it's not dragon riding so it's invalidated your effort of collecting it"

is what I mean

[mossy meteor]

(something something it's intentional to sell more store cat mounts)

Anyway

[crimson jasper]

store mounts are whatever, if people wanna buy them instead of a pack of smokes, go ahead

[mossy meteor]

It's far too late here to keep shitposting

[crimson jasper]

yea true

ranted enough

[mossy meteor]

Yep

[crimson jasper]

back to the big W of DF

have a good night

those primalist invasions l look forward to

the new walrus people mog is also neat

[rain cave]

Should they let us tmog 1hs to daggers for DH?

Can DH use daggers even?

I think they'd look cool, could be an Nice alternative playstyle too

Like this and that hots valeera skin

[thin warren]

didn't see a screenshot yet from the worldmap where the dragonisles will be

[crystal pond]

So Azurathel was supposed to be female character?

[rain cave]

I mean he has a male model so

And a male voice

[languid yoke]

seems pretty male to me yeah

[uncut vault]

they could in Legion

and got it removed in BfA

[rain cave]

Bruh

Why lmao

[glass flicker]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/rare-insights-into-azeroths-timeline-dragonflight-begins-40-years-after-opening-328441?webhook

So, there is only five years between WoD and DF?

How the heck did four expansions happen in five years?

[upper pasture]

no? there's 5 years between the start of shadowlands and the start of DF

there's 9 years between the start of WoD and the start of DF

[glass flicker]

The WoD cinematic clearly said the opening of the Dark Portal happened 35 years ago. And now this post says there's 40 years between now and then.

You do the math.

[upper pasture]

you do know they love to retcon things...right? and did you even look at the link you posted?

[sullen dawn]

It's really stupid have theyve scrunched up all the events in a small period of time

[glass flicker]

I read half the title and sighed.

[sullen dawn]

And then just loads of time chilling

[upper pasture]

i do find it weird that azeroth has had quite the 40 years

but smaller numbers are easier to keep track than larger numbers and it also helps with keeping mortals around in the story if you don't have hundreds of years passing by every 3 expansions

[glass flicker]

Two years for every expansion works.

[upper pasture]

okay but what about all the other stuff that came before the game?

also most expansions took one year

[upper pasture]

personally i'm glad they are coming out and giving us a timeline

[plain violet]

Me too!

[glass flicker]

So, why state it as year 40 when WoD was 35 before?

Retcons, man.