beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

but i dont think theyre done with other classes

[cunning fossil]

well of course not I doubt that they are done. it's just that the hunter person is just amazing at informing us

like

I think I havn't seen a week go by without 2-3 posts from the hunter guy

[dense plover]

i just think they want to see how their changes do with a very vocal section of the community before they propagate them across every tree

so i think the general game designers are probably holding off on any overarching changes to other classes from the class designers until they have settled on the changes they want to make system-wide

at least i hope so

if stellar drift stays as is, balance is fucked

its a terrible talent and its blocking some of the most fun choices

specifically oneths clear vision which i think is fun

tho tbh i think they should take that talent

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-sponge-bob-bikini-bottom-push-gif-8976449

and push it somewhere else

it should be switched with orbit breaker or be a side grade or something

[cunning fossil]

fair enough

Stellar Drift is abit boring

[glad niche]

that moment when you realize the giant maldraxxus statue be watchin you

[uncut vault]

Late on this but no, they don't

it's a bunch of regular bird sounds instead

[harsh wedge]

I see thanks

[dense plover]

its not that its boring, its that it puts one of the few spenders the class NEEDS on a 12 second cooldown

casting while moving is freaking worthless if i have no spells to cast

[ember blaze]

remove astral power from moonkin

[mossy meteor]

no

[ember blaze]

why not

[cosmic beacon]

Give them fury instead

Fury of elune

[subtle oar]

Furry*

[cosmic beacon]

That too

Feathers in boomkin is weirdge

Give us fluffy thing that casts

No joke tho plz blizz give us boomie forms like feral and guardian got

Where my jacked asf wereowl from mage tower

[ember blaze]

why not expand on the whole phases thing 🤔

and remove astral power

does the dot heal from this?

or is it only the instant damage part

will be nice in a big m+ pack

[ionic terrace]

new build on vendor, 45002

the 45000s \o/

[uncut vault]

only the instant as far as Ive been able to see

[ember blaze]

awww, that sucks

I think it would be nice if the dot also procs the heal

also kind of weird healer has this 3 point node still around, even after the talent tree update 🤔

I know it's good, but 1% per point x3 just never feels good.

at the same time, it's also only one target. 🤔

[lean yew]

k where did I get this title or is it alpha things

[dense plover]

alpha - i dont think the title condition is correct

[lean yew]

makes sense, I hope its a real title, although its quite long

so I doubt it

seems very incompetent slayer of minions-e, ie temporary

[urban spire]

its probably a temp title

theres a couple of those for killing bosses

[glass flicker]

I wish the "Slayer of Stupid, Incompetent and Useless Minions" kept being a title after Blackwing Descent.

[rain cave]

And we're back to the pendulum playstyle from WoD lol

[plain violet]

Strangely, the title was added on the 10.0...

[rain cave]

maybe it'll be used with some of the racism against dracthyr

people falsely labelling them lmao

[dense plover]

yes - its likely a temp title

but the condition isnt correct

which means its not being added or removed correctly

so everyone has it

[plain violet]

Oh, possible. 🤔
I would have think of some title for well, dracthyrs, but I understand.

[glad niche]

Just out of curiosity. Why are the vast majority of alpha Dracthyr pics I've seen all sporting that like... Crotch guard looking piece? No belt around the waist makes it look like it's been super glued on.

[uncut vault]

it's because a lot of people seem to not care about their dracthyrs armor

and dracthyr belts only show the 3d pieces

[rain cave]

can't wait to see the darksouls mogs from the questing gear

[uncut vault]

so theyre just naked dracthyr sporting the belt and shoulders from their base set

[glad niche]

Oooh. Ty port

[uncut vault]

no clue why so few folks care about the customization though honestly

naked dracthyr just look... weird lol

[glad niche]

It doesn't stack on top of the Dracthyr sash things? (If used)

[uncut vault]

it does stack

it replaces the breechcloth

[glad niche]

Nice!

[uncut vault]

but not the belt

[glad niche]

Oh

Meh.

[uncut vault]

so you can ahve a buckle on top of the belt

since there's no 2d belt texture on dracthyr

I can show you an example in a sec

[glad niche]

I like the second option traditional sash. We'll see if any mail belts can impress me tho

I kinda went sparse with my own Dracthyrs armor. (the closed off shirt type pieces look awful from the back, which is what I'll see most of when playing)

[uncut vault]

you mean the armored ones?

in my experience, the open-back one looks way more awkward in motion

[glad niche]

Yes

[uncut vault]

cause you see the totally bare back despite the body being armored

[glad niche]

That's why my Dracthyr just don't have too armor

He's recently posted in the dressing room

Top*

They both looked odd on the back, to me. Plus (just my personal taste here) they look a bit clunky on body 4. Like he's bulked up ever so slightly too much with them. So bare chest it is.

[uncut vault]

no belt:

regular belt:

long belt:

[glad niche]

Yeah. I def prefer the sash on barber gear more, personally

Gonna have to get myself that transmog yak lmao. Or just never stop and look at my gear while leveling xD

[plain violet]

I like naked dracthyrs for the whole "dragon" look, but the belt question will be complicated...

[glad niche]

That's pretty much the reason mine sports a "half naked" look. I feel like so much gear tries to hide the dragony bits. And I've already got visage for that.

[plain violet]

That's the idea. I want, when in dracthyr form, to be a dragon, my dragon, with a nice look.

[glad niche]

I do like a lot of the armored looks others have made tho. Just when designing mine the look felt suffocated. So "aight, no shirts for you!"

[plain violet]

The visage form is the clothed one, but the dragon is like a drake to me. I have a belt in visage form so I don't know how to do once in dragon form. At least I don't have tabards or such...

Ahaha I understand too. I like the armors too, they are pretty, but... not really for mine, it hide my own customizations.

And for example I was inspired by some dragons like red eyes black or stardust, that are thin and without armors, giving the whole "highly mobile and flying war machine"

[glad niche]

nodnod
I must go back to the realm of sleep. Night!

[plain violet]

Good night to you! :)

[jade basalt]

How dare you, they can look great https://i.imgur.com/nU0QZ0W.png https://i.imgur.com/0PnA53Z.png

I think the less clothing they wear, the more they look like dragons.

If they're covered from head to toes with a hood and everything, they look more like humanoid lizard people, and less like dragons.

I like to give mine a little bit of jewelry, maybe a little ankle or arm cover if it fits, but not full-fledged clothes otherwise they look like lizards trying to pass as humans https://i.imgur.com/74TFAAG.png

Here's my uncorrupted-black-dragon dracthyr for example with a little cover on his arms and feet https://gfycat.com/GrouchyNauticalAmericancrow

More clothing can fit depending on the theme though, for instance this guy is meant to be a commander or evil or something so he has protective armor, but still won't cover his entire body in order to maintain the dragon-y look. https://gfycat.com/SaltyBowedFlycatcher

[glad niche]

I'm pretty much the same with the whole armor debate. Growing up watching junk like loonietoons and characters like Donald duck and Mickey mouse. Naked or half clothed characters don't look weird to me

I'm happy everyone pretty much gets to cloth theirs to their taste tho.

[pulsar minnow]

Armor is a weird thing on the Dracthyr. Full armor doesn't really look that good imo

[glad niche]

This applies to anthropomorphics mind you. Naked humans or those walking about with their buns out and a t-shirt. I'll pass. Lmaooo

[pulsar minnow]

I think the main issue is that the shoulderpads sit too low on the Dracthyr so it makes their necks look much bigger

[ember blaze]

Please don’t advocate for shoulders to look like boulders

[pulsar minnow]

Not exactly that

The Dracthyr on the far left has these shoulderpads that aren't an option in-game

But with those shoulders the Dracthyr pulls off the fully-armored look really well

Also the Green Dragon has nyi shoulders as well

[glad niche]

I like some I found from legion. Need to try them on the Dracthyr and not just the visage. See how they look

[fierce shell]

will tier pieces work on Dracthyr at least?

like their specific class tier in DF

[jade basalt]

They might yeah.

Ion said this when asked about if the dracthyr tier set armor will show on dracthyr or not:

"Certain key pieces show in your draconic form: shoulders, large geometric pieces like belt buckles. When we make things like tier sets, we know that this armor is custom-made for the Evoker, and so we can do more things than we could do elsewhere."
So it sounds like the idea is that dracthyr-specific sets might show more or perhaps the whole armor because they can adapt it specifically to their body.

[fierce shell]

Nice

[glad niche]

Neat. RP Spells.

While I don't RP. I see the potential for a lot of fun. Also enjoy the shield one

[uncut vault]

Really hope they arent just one-and-done additions, cause these are phenomenal for RP

[glad niche]

One and done meaning no more in the future?

Or like single use? Cause from the wording I assume they are single use

There's definitely a lot of room for additions.

Wonder how many Dracthyr are going to end up targeted by "anti furry" bigotry and directed "just buy some shields"

Though I doubt they will be fully spam able. And not that they will actually hurt anyone. The visual could be obnoxious tho.

[uncut vault]

no more in the future, blizzard tends to add things once, maybe twice, and then drop the feature entirely

see: the glyph system since Legion

[plain violet]

I love the idea.

For RP purposes of course, as a roleplayer..

I also hope Blizzard will keep it.

[ember blaze]

who considers dragons furry

[harsh wedge]

Dragons are scaly, it's furry with scales

[ember blaze]

yeah im not familiar with furry terms or culture

so i doubt many will consider them furry

[harsh wedge]

I can tell you a lot will, especially in certain inns near Stormwind

[glad niche]

the joke was pretty much about the lot screaming about the game being overrun by furries (becuase of dracthyr)

the ones that ignore all the actually be-furred races and cry about the lizards

[urban spire]

dont they call them "scalies"?

[glad niche]

Granted Ive not seen said screamers in a short while. But they were (when last i saw) screeching about the "disney furries" and talking about dracthyr

but yes in actual furry culture, dragons are called scalies

[opaque pewter]

It's an umbrella term to describe the whole anthropomorphic community, so I would guess most people

[deep pawn]

hey, takes the heat off people who play Vulpera

[glad niche]

So far, since coming back to the game, vulpera are undoubtably the friendliest players I run into.

[dense plover]

guys

i have a job!

now i can pay for dragonflight when i decide to do that!

[upper pasture]

I thought you were gonna say you have alpha 😦

[dense plover]

i fucking wish XD

ive been forsaken

[upper pasture]

But congratulations!

[dense plover]

thanks

[pulsar minnow]

Grats!

[upper pasture]

I’ve decided I’ll play DF when it’s good and ready

[dense plover]

its a temporary job but its in teaching, which is what i want to do, so hopefully it will become permanent

either way it pays enough money for me to set some aside for DF when it comes out or around prepatch or whatever

[pulsar minnow]

After everything you did in SL Blizz should just gift you DF 😅

[dense plover]

i wouldnt say no but i didnt test in order to get stuff

[pulsar minnow]

The sheer amount of testing you did was absolutely legendary though

You should definitely get into Beta which is in like 10 days?

[dense plover]

i hope so?

[deep pawn]

I can't find much desire to play season 4 even though I want the slime cat mount

[upper pasture]

i feel the same way but it week one so i expect afterwards ill warm up to the season but as it is right now people being so selective with their groups it's making it impossible to play without running your own keys

[ember blaze]

kara and wod arent pug friendly dungeons

[deep pawn]

I have no idea if it'd be easiest to pug as a healer or dps for the normals

[ember blaze]

can you pump

[deep pawn]

only about 270 ilvl

[uncut vault]

huh, neat

[livid walrus]

i wonder what this one drops

[rain cave]

@cunning fossil you seen the whirlwind build for arms?

it's kinda interesting

give it a 10 second cooldown to increase damage, make it cast slam, buff slam damage, give it the recast on 3+ targets, buffing it with sweeping strikes and bladestorm talents

so you could make a build where whirlwind acts like a massive AOE burst of damage

[austere gazelle]

not sure since they said it'll go in Beta when they would have tested all the dungeons and all the classes, count more like 30 days. It'll be lame to go into beta with several classes still not implemented. I'd be salty if they go into beta without any testing for the DH, for example, cause that would mean that they might rush some classes while others were tested and had a longer time for feedback...

[mossy meteor]

Yo congrats

I love that it's in teaching

[glad niche]

Thought I'd ask here. For the black market. I have to make the purchase in a character that can wear the gear type I assume?

[brazen lava]

You don’t have to, but if it’s bop and you win it and can’t wear it, you wasted your money

[glad niche]

I ment BoP yeah. Just wanted to be sure. Have never used the market before but a belt I like can only come from it now apparently

[brazen lava]

One of the old T3 belts? Those are also class locked as well

[glad niche]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=103940/belt-of-the-iron-prison

Just lists the mail classes

[brazen lava]

Also probably wrong channel 🙂

[glad niche]

Yeah. I don't know where would be good to ask, so I asked in here cause 1- it's quite atm so I wouldn't be interrupting. 2- the most knowledgeable about game functions seem to congregate here

[glass flicker]

So, the Chromie quest line.

My tinfoil hat conspiracy theory is that Eternus is Chromie.

[ember blaze]

So we’re just quickly passing through those eras?

That’s lame.

[rain cave]

Is there voice acting?

[glass flicker]

I don't know. Do I look like a beta owner?

[rain cave]

Well it's just a theory I also thought about but quickly dispelled until we get voice acting

I don't see chromie going infinite is the thing

[glad niche]

I thought all the voiced stuff also isnt in alpha

[uncut vault]

Chromie definitely won’t go infinite, simply because she’s the marketable dragon face, and is clearly next in line for bronze aspect

[rain cave]

I think the thing we could potentially get, is maybe a slight readjustment of infinite lore

so it's not like a future version, it's an alternate timeline version as well

because the infinite have been stating that timelines are converging in df

alternatively

an infinite dragon with a male gnome visage who's just meant to be the grumbly counterpart to chromie thoughout the expansion

[uncut vault]

Eternus is basically exactly that, just a woman and no known visage atm

[mossy meteor]

voice acting usually doesn't exist this early

[uncut vault]

There are a handful of voiced characters but the vast majority are not

[cunning fossil]

This is Hella late but good job!!

[livid walrus]

next alpha phase is dungeons and new talents ?/class?

you can learn professions from older trainers and check DF recipies . at least to some of them .

@uncut vault if you want to check that out,. i found some nice thing you can make in engineering and others

[austere gazelle]

Do you think they could add a system of " soaring " for the DH ?

[glad niche]

With all the hell yet to be dracthyr are raising over the speed nerf? Hell no xD

I personally just wish to see normie 310 flight on dracthyr, but currently soar is their racial "perk"

I can envision the forum dumpster fires if they were made to feel even less sparkly special

[cunning fossil]

DH wings don't really function that way tho

[harsh wedge]

I guess you could use the argument that Illidan in Heroes of the Storm uses his wings as a mount during meta, but it would be really bad to take away something from a new class (or new race, but in this case it is both) even before they are on retail

But even if it was implemented, it would be as true flying and not soaring I think

[ember blaze]

Why would it be taking away

It’s not like meta again. Just giving the same mechanic when it makes sense

[harsh wedge]

Let's say we are in legion alpha

[ember blaze]

They both got wings

[harsh wedge]

You see DH with glide

[ember blaze]

And Illidan can fly

[harsh wedge]

And then you just add glide to someone else

[ember blaze]

Does someone else have wings

[harsh wedge]

It's just an example

[ember blaze]

But not the same

[harsh wedge]

Or the empowered spells, if you prefer something on evoker

You could add empowered spells to other classes

[ember blaze]

Charge mechanics should be introduced to other classes

[harsh wedge]

But it is a feature of evoker and can be a selling point for it

Adding them later, why not, but it would be silly to add empowered spells right now

[ember blaze]

Aim shot should be charge based

[glad niche]

If memory serves, they gave lore reasons for DH not flying in demon form. That being the longer they tap that fel power the less likely they are to withstand the corruption. We see this played out in the open world in a few rare mobs.

[harsh wedge]

Aimed shot could be charge based, but if they did do it in this alpha/beta, some people would make an uproar that something that is only for evoker is going to the others

[ember blaze]

Nobody has any attachments to evokers yet lol

But some people would be mad if they didn’t get it

[harsh wedge]

Looking at the uproar when they nerfed the Soar mechanic, a lot are attached to them

[ember blaze]

Their reasoning was terrible

And easily used as a fun detected moment

[glad niche]

For me it's really not the speed. It's the BS reasons

[harsh wedge]

Which reasoning ? The devs or the players ?

[ember blaze]

“Pet battles” LMAO

[glad niche]

Pet battles. Mog runs. The "having a leg up in the open world" type shit.

Cause. I've done it before and I'll continue to throw my 7 golden child druids with herbalism under the bus

Critters don't load onto the minimap in the time someone zooms over a zone. Chrome time won't matter because they start at 58 and are 60 by the time they leave the Dracthyr start story.
Mog runs- mage portals, summon friends below 50 (assumably, but nothing said afaik) will be 60 once the level cap changes. Summoning stones.

All three excuses they gave for the nerf. Do not apply to Dracthyr.

Chromie time will not matter until enough expansions have passed that they level squish again and it starts like DK and DH currently do.

Even when it is content they can do, what will they do with it? Get to an NPC faster then normal mount/flight speed.

[ember blaze]

If anything, nerf druids. Their form gives them advantage in current content for years.

But we’re drawing the line at pet battles for dracthyr

[glad niche]

What they need to do is stop nerfing flavor content and let people enjoy things.

It would be one thing if they simply said "our old maps and shitty and your zoomies are breaking server sound barriers"

[ember blaze]

Yep

[glad niche]

But they didn't. And they have been silent as the grave since all the backlash debunking the stupid excuses given

THAT is my disgruntlement

[opaque pewter]

It's a good time to make changes like this. Once you open the valve to the public it's hard to close it

[glad niche]

I get that. Like I said. The speed doesn't effect me, cause I will be going 🤷 until the day my dragon can 310 base flight and afk hover.

For me it's the reasonings and the following silence

[opaque pewter]

The biggest issue is that people treat this are nerfs of buff, when things shouldn't be seen as this; it's not even live and tuning is done near the end

[glad niche]

I feel like those actually IN the alpha experiencing the changes have legit reason to call it a nerf. But, thats really not the point here , ofc

[uncut vault]

it's a public alpha, so treating it as such is valid

its the same issue as torghast, the first version was crazy fun

and then build after build, that fun got chipped away for the sake of gameplay requirements

if they didnt want early stuff like this out in the world for publicities sake, they would/should restrict alpha to internal/NDA testing, and release beta as a product more in line with their gameplay desires

[dense plover]

i expect to see more changes to soar tbh

or itll suck until they roll out dragon riding to the old world

[glad niche]

tbh I'm not hopeful it will see improvement then either. Considering it was already far less usable then riding.(limited skills far below the vigor system + a 5 min CD once landed)
With the nerf it doesn't compare to riding OR core flight. Its been purposefully gimped (at this point in time) beyond usefulness (flight) or fun (riding).

Its speed reduction affects it on the isles, beside riding, as well as the old world where it really has no gaugeable use unless you shimmy up something tall first.

Open world mobility wise, Dracthyr are just prettied up lizard chickens right now.

[glad niche]

Obviously this is a pessimistic view of course. Just one that stems from every time I pick the game up and every awful choice that comes out of the dev team.

[proper crystal]

There's a reason everyone and their mom has a druid for herbalism, there's a reason I'm using a druid to get the bee mount, there's a reason I use a mage for world-spanning, continent-hopping secret-finding. Dracthyr should not have a 5 minute cooldown on soar. Frankly, I don't think soar should even have a cast time--let it feel like an elytra in minecraft with a cooldown on the rockets-equivalent. It still wouldn't be as mobile as a druid! That seems fine. They're dragons. There's no reason they shouldn't be able to flap their own damn wings, even if they're not as fast as a mount or larger, rideable dragon.

making up bs reasons to limit fun is not really instilling people with much confidence. smh.

[zealous basalt]

I'd love if dractyr suffered damage if they landed too fast or too hard

[dense plover]

Without a cooldown it would be insanely strong compared to flight form

It’s 200% faster

So it needs a cooldown

Just not 5 min

2 is probably better

[deep pawn]

I mean players will always want faster. Let us warp around we probably would

But if super fast flight breaks the old world, I get it.

[austere gazelle]

I am perfectly aware since I'm playing a DH. But lorewise, DH with wings flies Even Illidan, for example, in the Cathedral of Night dungeon, is fighting a dreadlord while flying. So the DH having the equivalent of soaring wouldn't be weird

at a lower speed maybe , but it's totally valid (and no other classes or races besides dracthyr or DH have wings. Let's use them at their full capacities )

I wouldn't even be mad if it was not flying but regular flight

[rain cave]

I don't see the harm in giving it out

Since it dragon riding is the future of mounts

Worgen have running wild

Why not have a flying one

You're going to be given these things for free anyway

Or they're very low work to achieve

[deep pawn]

while we're at it, unnerf zen flight some!

[fierce shell]

ya i wish i could just use that as a regular flying mount on my Monk

[rain cave]

while we're at it, let warriors hulk jump around like they did in legion

"oh one sec I've gotta go to the AH"
jumps and disappears into the sky

[ember blaze]

What’s even the reason why that can’t normal fly ?

[glad niche]

at that point in time it would have been bitching about "No other class has built in mounts! So unfair the NEW class aLwAyS gEtS sPeCiAl AtTeNtIoN!!" (while ignoring warlock/DK)

(and druid..... again)

[deep pawn]

it's instant cast

and instant cast flying is DRUIDS thing, no touchy

[rain cave]

yeah and look how amazing that's been for the game

can't compete with druids in gathering professions

that's one thing I've not seen people mention with dragonriding actually

is its impact on gathering and the economy

since no longer will it just be bot druids flying around

[ionic terrace]

[rain cave]

the best dragonriders can get between nodes fastest

[glad niche]

I mean the consumables/materials market is also going to be an open floodgate no longer controlled by server size

The only leg up druid/riders will have then is the speed of their gather affecting how much they toss on the AH in the newly unhinged undercut wars

[rain cave]

druid won't have a leg up though

the most effective method of gathering will be to master your dragon riding

wonder if there are node interactions in the dragonriding tree

[glad niche]

specifically the most efficient will be dracthyr riders

[austere gazelle]

What is the next class to be unveiled this week?

[rain cave]

nope

dracthyr's dragonriding is less efficient, and has a long cooldown

[glad niche]

dracthyr ON the dragons

riding them

[rain cave]

they aren't more efficient though

do dracthyr have a racial for dragonriding?

[glad niche]

for gathering

[rain cave]

wdym

[glad niche]

they have higher perception for the new gathering stats

[rain cave]

perception?

what gathering stats

[glad niche]

Discerning Eye (NYI): Increases your Perception by 50. Perception increases the radius of tracking Mining and Herbalism nodes, and the chance of finding additional rare materials when gathering.

[rain cave]

ah I see

but that doesn't increase gathering efficiency

per se

since don't other races have bonuses too

that could make up for it

[glad niche]

it increases their chance of rare gathers

[rain cave]

taurens herbalism speed

don't dark irons have faster mining

HM tauren

[glad niche]

no idea. Just that excluding bots, because of their boosted chance at rare materials, a dracthyr rider would have the best time gathering. If their goal is the rare materials, for use or sell

for base flight (unless its later changed) they also have this

Familiar Skies (NYI): You fly 20% faster on continents that you have fully explored.

[deep pawn]

I'm still not sure why they bother undercutting now

[glad niche]

I dunno, if you mean the AH. Its normally just people impatient to make gold faster

[deep pawn]

I mean the AH currently works the most recently listed sells first

so if yours aren't selling, just delist I guess

[glad niche]

a lot do, using auctionator, you can scan for undercuts, it, forwhatever reason, counts people listing after you at the exact same price, as uncerduts

so a lot run that, cancel their listings, and relist

[deep pawn]

if it's changing the price that's silly but yeah

if anyone lists after you that person sells first

it's Blizzard's attempt to minimize undercutting

[rain cave]

I wonder if they should do a new ah system

Like a market hour where the AH % cut is lower

So you drive a high volume of sales to a specific time of the week

Then people who are impatient and keep getting listed in front can sell then

A market Friday could be a fun thing

Could even do a thing where you can mark yourself as selling or buying something when you're in a city, and you and your counterpart are highlighted with an outline

So you can see others who are advertising/ selling what you want

[uncut vault]

Did anyone manage to get to 70 to see if Alexstrasza had any more quests to give?

[ionic terrace]

9.2.7 is now on release build, so should be on live soontm

[ember blaze]

@ionic terracea new patch? for what

[ionic terrace]

ah changes and whatever the other thing was

i think services channel

[ember blaze]

long maintenance tomorrow

[uncut lintel]

yea

for wow in general

ima be here complaining

[ionic terrace]

10.0.0.44999 on dev

rip the 45000 dream

but there's also 10.0.0.45002 on vendor

hm

[dense plover]

this is probably the build theyll use

.45002 might have stuff for gpu devs or something

thats usually what vendor is for

[rain cave]

Ray tracing

😎 😎

[fierce shell]

DLSS when

[mossy meteor]

alpha realms down

[ionic terrace]

Ur a realm

[mossy meteor]

nou

[ember blaze]

finally

[cunning fossil]

like down bad?>

[harsh wedge]

like down we get a phase tonight

(or today in na)

[ember blaze]

why it taking so long 😡

[lean yew]

it takes a while

but yes new phase today

ohnaran plains

and then next week its every zone

and then the week after is beta I think

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-alpha-development-notes/1278546/7

Warlocks

@dense plover Evoker
Racial Abilities
Soar – Cooldown reduced to 4 minutes (was 5 minutes).
Familiar Skies now reduces Soar’s cooldown by 1 minute on continents that you have fully explored.

[plain violet]

MMh.

That's still nice, but that would mean 4mn of CD during the intro.

Still much..

[austere gazelle]

It wont be beta before all the classes are available and all the dungeons ( as they said ) beta is in september at the very least

[deep pawn]

nah

[upper pasture]

Not if you use the explore maps well…except for Dragon isles

[deep pawn]

they only have 2 more phases left

[austere gazelle]

Those phases are not set in stone.

[plain violet]

That's what I am talking about. :)

During the intro so, of dracthyrs, you would still be at 4mn.

[deep pawn]

they seem pretty set and they are on a strict deadline

we have 3-4 months of testing left

[austere gazelle]

They won't move into beta until all the classes are availables at the very least

If they rush classes it will be very very bad

[upper pasture]

Aren’t we only missing one or two classes?

[austere gazelle]

This time around, all of our zones are ready for testing, and we’re going to be rolling them out over the course of successive alpha builds in the coming weeks, in rapid succession with focused feedback. After this week our plan is to shut down Azure Span, and point people at the next thing. And then we’ll shut that down and point people at the next thing. We want a focused experience that concentrates feedback, that’s better and a more-accurate testing experience for the people playing an Alpha, where the zone is actually full of other players because that’s where everyone’s attention is currently focused. And so we’re going to have a lot of excitement over the next month and a half as we roll out our zones, the rest of the talent trees, dungeons, everything else. And then as soon as it’s all there, we’ll move onto Beta.

And then as soon as it’s all there, we’ll move onto Beta.

[deep pawn]

yeah, and I'd be shocked if it's not this month still

[austere gazelle]

I won't really be happy if the class I play won't have the same " attention " during the alpha as the others because they decide to release it during beta and will left it with a lot of issues because " time constraint " tbh. And I'm not sure its their goal either

[upper pasture]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[austere gazelle]

Anyway , since they said they had to test thing " over the next month and a half " , and considering that the Alpha started July 14th, it put the start of beta early september

[upper pasture]

So regardless no matter how long your class gets tested if you don’t like it you’ll still be upset. So what does it matter if it’s two weeks or 14 weeks before beta?

[pulsar minnow]

What classes are left anyways? Monk, DH?

They can probably fit both into next weeks build since they’re not adding another zone

[austere gazelle]

Next weeks will be this and dungeons anyway , and preparing all the stuff ready for beta in september

[ember blaze]

holy paladin 😶

[pulsar minnow]

Unless I’m remembering wrong didnt Blizz say that launch would only have 4 Dragonflight dungeons and 4 dungeons from past expansions to start?

[austere gazelle]

for MM+

[pulsar minnow]

Ah okay.
Currently we have Neltharus, Ruby Life Pools, Uldaman, and now Azure Vault+Brackenhide hollow

[uncut vault]

@dense plover do you happen to remember which file type model textures are from? IE the funny face stretches

[pulsar minnow]

That leaves Halls of Infusion, Nokhund Offensive, and Tal’ageth

[austere gazelle]

And maybe the raid ? Or do you think they'll test it during Beta?

[uncut vault]

they renamed the academy to Algethar this build, for some reason

[pulsar minnow]

Huh. I guess it kinda sounds cooler

[uncut vault]

too close to tazavesh before i suppose

[deep pawn]

Switching Talents and Talent Loadouts no longer requires being in a rested area.

wasn't this how they said it'd be

back during announcement?

[pulsar minnow]

I love the change ngl

I think they said Rested areas

Such a good change. Especially considering how spread out the world is, it’d be a chore having to travel to a random camp to swap

[deep pawn]

nah, it was meant to be swapped on the fly even in raids

At least builds

[pulsar minnow]

Regardless it’s going to be so incredibly nice

[deep pawn]

just how they said it was going to be

I'd have bug reported it before this honestly

[pulsar minnow]

Oh, I’m fighting a random world boss, swap to ST. Oh, now I’m going to do a world quest? Multi target

Polar opposite of the stupid soulbind shrines from shadowlands. Gosh I hated those

[crimson jasper]

Soar still not allowed to be fun tho

[austere gazelle]

you're on alpha?

[crimson jasper]

no why?

[pulsar minnow]

Dracthyr should be allowed to do Dragonriding themselves imo. Like the upgrade system, vigor, and everything

[austere gazelle]

Maybe you'll find it fun when really testing it ^^

[crimson jasper]

this

[crimson jasper]

l can read, watch videos, and also tell you that taking away speed and still having a huge cooldown, is not helping the fun factor

[upper pasture]

4 mins/3 mins isn’t a huge CD

[austere gazelle]

speed reduction is really not a problem , it is still faster than regular flight...

[pulsar minnow]

I’m really don’t like how Dracthyr look when riding mounts in their dragon form. It’s weird.

[crimson jasper]

druid travel form, running wild want to know your location

[pulsar minnow]

I’m probably just gonna macro my mounting button to also activate visage form

Oh and Dracthyr also don’t have a class mount still which is kinda weird

[crimson jasper]

l dont care about "still being faster than regular flying"

l dont need an "advantage" as blizz phrases it

[crimson jasper]

cause soar is their class mount, on a cooldown ;p

[austere gazelle]

Do the Dracthyr have the regular flight for free and can travel by flying outside of soar? if not, yes, they should need it, but I think soar is good as it is, maybe tweak the CD a bit but it's fine

[pulsar minnow]

Nah they don’t have regular flying using their wings

Which they really should. They have the animations for it too

[austere gazelle]

That is the problem : they should

Soar is not the issue

[upper pasture]

I wonder, how long does flying usually last while using soar?

[pulsar minnow]

Meh. I feel like Dragons should be able to, well, be the dragon in Dragonriding. It’s not like Proto drakes or Ptero Drakes control any different

[tropic trail]

Honestly im waiting on that Flash Con talent or holy priest is gonna be eh in Heals single target lmfao

[crimson jasper]

soar is the problem as long as blizz reason behind its regulation stais the same

[austere gazelle]

Well I understand the point, the flying speed is not an issue, the CD should be tweaked a bit, or at least having more way to reduced it by doing stuff

[crimson jasper]

so ok if you want to sum it up, their bs reasoning to gut it is the problem

[austere gazelle]

That's a whole other story and I agree

[pulsar minnow]

No I think the flying speed is an issue. I think Dracthyr should be able to take full advantage of the Dragonriding system without mounting up

At least in the dragon isles

[crimson jasper]

well it's the reason why Soar isn't allowed to be fun

[austere gazelle]

Didn't they said that the flying speed was reduced only outside the DI ? I may have missread it

[pulsar minnow]

No

[crimson jasper]

nope

[pulsar minnow]

They said Soar was completely reduced to 640% max speed, and that Dragonriding MOUNTS were unaffected

Imo Dracthyr should have an advantage on the Dragon Isles. It’s their home. Because currently it’s kind of a disadvantage to use Soar unless your dragon is recharging vigor or something

[crimson jasper]

blizz is stupid

or atleast whoever decided this

cause look at the races

pandas have better raid food

l dont see that gone

mole machine DID

DH fkn double jump INSIDE dungeons and pvp

[pulsar minnow]

I think Blizz is just scared of the playerbase growing to hate Dragonriding after the honeymoon phase, but it’s this exact kind of overthinking that caused problems in BFA and Legion

[crimson jasper]

just give it to the players

unrestricted

we decide what's fun

[pulsar minnow]

They should. They need to trust their gut when they genuinely made something pretty awesome 😂

[cunning fossil]

Warlock and Holy Trees out let's goo

[pulsar minnow]

I haven’t looked but I’m praying summon pet infernal is back

And maybe Meta?

I’m asking for too much

[deep pawn]

Survival of the Fittest removed from Tenacity pets.
New Tenacity active button – Fortitude of the Bear: Increase the maximum health of you and your pet by 20% for 10 seconds. BULL

[pulsar minnow]

Oh wow this is pretty awesome

They're adding ensembles for civilian Valdrakken clothing

Pretty cool for the RP folk

[dense plover]

No idea

[plain violet]

Good, good...

[dense plover]

Omg

Demonology can get a pit lord

That’s amazing

[plain violet]

Yeah!

That's amazing.

[dense plover]

I love their talents so much

[plain violet]

The inquisitor eye too is pretty cool.

[dense plover]

I was so worried but they made it even better!

[plain violet]

Sounds like a flavorful warlock "mana familiar"

I like that we can spec into FULL DOGGO mode.

[dense plover]

I love the mob fantasy that is demonology

Yeah that’s great too

[plain violet]

... I mean, I love the dreadstalkers.

[dense plover]

Me too

[plain violet]

They are just doggo in lore so... 😁

The mob fantasy is pretty cool, I agree, to be the master of your own personal army.

[cerulean lava]

Still without the Alpha 😔

[plain violet]

With its generals under your orders.

[dense plover]

Me too

Idk why

I can hope that a wave hasn’t happened yet. Are the servers up or is the build the only thing out?

Wave usually doesn’t happen until after the servers come up

[cosmic beacon]

affliction tree looks neat

didnt see the drain life talent anywhere tho

no huge drain life with soul rot

[dense plover]

Drain life itself is probably baseline

[harsh wedge]

Drain life is baseline yes

Servers are up too @dense plover to answer

For a bit over 30 minutes I think now

[plain violet]

"Players that aren’t Dracthyr or Demon Hunters can no longer double jump after dismounting a dragonriding mount."

[dense plover]

Ok so still an hour or two to confirm if a wave has gone out

[glad niche]

Dracthyr can double jump?

[plain violet]

The Dracthyr part bugs me. The double jump will be added to them, or was the double jump a bug after dismounting?

[ember blaze]

Where demo pit lord meta

[plain violet]

In previous build all could double jump.

So it's a bug fix but... the typo clearly say that dracthyr should.

[cunning fossil]

Ayo what

[plain violet]

Yes, demo talent.

[harsh wedge]

Let me check if they can

[plain violet]

After the rift, boum.

[dense plover]

Look in the talents

[plain violet]

Sure! :)

[dense plover]

Probably near the bottom

[plain violet]

Thanks you.

[glad niche]

Time to make a warlock

[dense plover]

It’s a side summon and it only lasts 10 sec

[plain violet]

Yup all bottom end.

A result after your big CD.

[harsh wedge]

The pit lord is angry by the way, litterally rushes like the felguard and hits hard

[plain violet]

Niiiiice.

Love that.

[ember blaze]

dracthyr has double jump now? 👀

[plain violet]

It would seem by typo.

[dense plover]

Well considering it only lasts 10 sec

[plain violet]

But it's strange.

[harsh wedge]

For the dracthyr, first jump is normal jump, second jump activates gliding

[dense plover]

I assume they meant they can’t double jump at all

^this

[plain violet]

I see...

[harsh wedge]

Others could double jump because they don't glide

[plain violet]

So the "double jump" would be the glide part.

[harsh wedge]

... Even if last week I managed to triple jump on a dracthyr but that was weird

[glad niche]

what awful wording

jumping and hitting space again to initiate glide is NOT a double jump lmap

i see the typo, im leaving it

[plain violet]

I agree, the wording by tying it to DH, is strange.

[harsh wedge]

Indeed it isn't but I think they refer to it as double jump because it was one for all the others

[glad niche]

Sure but it would take them less the 5 seconds to specify the difference.

Thats the shit that got them in a dumpster fire over slime cat.

[uncut vault]

I really love this

[harsh wedge]

Why is Deaf capitalized ?

[glad niche]

Deaf?

xD

Probably just to draw attention to it so speed readers dont miss it

[plain violet]

Amazing. :o

Cool cool detail.

[uncut lintel]

why they ugly

[harsh wedge]

Compared to retail centaurs they are top models

[uncut lintel]

i wonder if they kept the sounds the same lol

[harsh wedge]

Oh boy everyone will be able to use the old two way charge of brewmasters

Oh seems like you won't need to be an engineer to use the battle res, just need the object

[cunning fossil]

Hecl yes

Kill Command Kill Command has a 25%15% chance to immediately reset its cooldown.
Rank 1: Kill Command has a 12% chance to immediately reset its cooldown.
Effect #1 Apply Aura: Add Modifier - Flat Modifies Effect #2's Value
Value: 15
Affected Spells:
Surv 8 - Flanking Strike Kill Command Kill Command
Kill Command
Quick Shot When Kill Command's cooldown is reset, you have a 30% chance to fire an Arcane Shot at your target at 100% of normal value.
Rank 1: When Kill Command's cooldown is reset, you have a 5% chance to fire an Arcane Shot at your target at 100% of normal value.
NEW Effect #2 Apply Aura: Dummy Modifies Damage/Healing Done
Value: 100
Ranger Kill Shot, Serpent Sting, Arcane Shot, Steady Shot, and Explosive Shot deal 20% increased damage.
Rank 1: Kill Shot, Serpent Sting, Arcane Shot, Steady Shot, and Explosive Shot deal 20% increased damage.
Rank 2: Kill Shot, Serpent Sting, Arcane Shot, Steady Shot, and Explosive Shot deal 40% increased damage.

Survival Ranged Build looks more real every day

[fierce shell]

hmm seems like msot specs play the same as SL, but 3-4 more random cooldowns

not a fan lol

[crimson jasper]

it was never meant to revamp the specs that are working fine, but to make a strong foundation to build upon

no need to redo all specs each expac

[fierce shell]

I didn't really like any of SL designs, too bad

[cunning fossil]

Tuf

MM Tree is just

it's..

GORGEOUS

[ember blaze]

a deaf dragon is gonna make some players mad

Another week, another hunter update

Meanwhile shadow and druids

[glad niche]

think the deaf one is a centaur leader

[pulsar minnow]

Merithra has a generic dragon and night elf model in DF. Edit: so watching this stream and in the talking head box Merithra has some unique armor but still uses the Nelf Model. Sort of like Liadrin.

Pretty much confirms that she wont be the aspect of the green

If it wasn't already evident

[ionic terrace]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=387169/boon-of-the-covenants

for evoker

i suppose it makes sense

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=199551/clasp-of-unity?bonus=6805

[ember blaze]

@ionic terracewhat is that

[ionic terrace]

evoker covenant spell

[ember blaze]

only one?

[ionic terrace]

yes

[ember blaze]

a self heal? lol

🛌

[pulsar minnow]

Hey it's better than nothing. Not like we'll really be using it in DF

[ionic terrace]

I mean I'm surprised they even gave them anything

[cunning fossil]

it's so that they can play in SL content I suppose

and it won't be used past torghast anyways

[dense plover]

Yeah still no alpha

Also I can’t believe they might be bringing back weapons of order

It’s such a lame ability

They don’t have it in the new thing but it received changes in the class change thing

I really hope it doesn’t follow us to DF

[uncut vault]

sorry centaur

your ancestors cant hear you

[glad niche]

Whats weapon of rder

order*

[uncut vault]

theyre busy fighting in the Skeleton War

[dense plover]

The monk bastion covenant ability

It’s boring

[Weapons of Order]

[haughty hound]

Weapons of Order - https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=310454/weapons-of-order - PTR 9.2.7

Weapons of Order

PTR 9.2.7

[dense plover]

It’s literally boring - it makes your weapons glow and you get a mastery and cooldown buff

[glad niche]

from skimming it does seem simple compared to convoke spirits for druid

[dense plover]

Bone dust brew is all but guaranteed

But I like that one

It’s thematic

[glad niche]

I havent done a whole lot of covenant stuff on different classes so Ill have to take your word for it apart from what ive experienced on drood and shammy

[dense plover]

The only other one I think is decent is the night fae one

[faeline stomp]

[haughty hound]

Faeline Stomp - https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=327104/faeline-stomp - PTR 9.2.7

Faeline Stomp

PTR 9.2.7

[dense plover]

This one is very weak, if it was bugged it would be good

I just think it’s run because it’s actually engaging - it changes how you play

Same with bone dust brew

[pulsar minnow]

Wow so from what I saw on this stream of the Ohn'ahran Plains, it's also got 4 chapters and seems to be a very short zone

They've got to have something up their sleeve for endgame story content

[dense plover]

So I don’t think 4 chapters necessarily = short zone

I think it just means 4 major story beats

[pulsar minnow]

I watched them play the whole zone its not that long of a story

[dense plover]

And I’m beginning to think they’ve left stuff out on purpose

Or there are endgame stories for each zone

[pulsar minnow]

Most likely yeah

We know that Ysera's got stuff going on so there must be something

But I think that's the bit of the story the devs are going to keep encrypted like they said they would

[lean yew]

god damnit I forgot logging off makes you lose all xp

I was just about to hit 63

[dense plover]

That’s a weird bug

[lean yew]

yeah idk i reported it again

maybe i didnt lose it all but I def lost some

also RIP if you talked to him he said it was his first time leaving the emerald gardens or w/e theyre called

and then he gets murdered

[ember blaze]

tragic

let us revive him

[lean yew]

this entire zone is just green dragon flight blue balls

the centaur people are cool but...green dragons D:

[uncut vault]

it definitely isnt

thaldraszus was just very weird

[lean yew]

having higher ilvl gear is going to make the leveling process much smoother

Which is obvious, but specifically the lower ilvl gear on evoker feels terrible lol

[umbral solar]

Anybody preorder the DF prequal novel?

[lean yew]

i did not yet

[umbral solar]

it's weird amazon has listed it as no longer available but im fairly sure they took my money months ago

we'll see if it ever shows up haha

[lean yew]

also, not sure if anyone else has finished the ohn'aran plains but im pretty sure whatever the ysera thing is with opening the way happens in the end game campaign, not in the leveling zone

and unless they change her model, that is -not- merithra in the loading screen

[umbral solar]

how is it going for you? I didn't get alpha access so I'm holding with crossed fingers for beta

[lean yew]

its been fine, the zones have been nice

[umbral solar]

wow nice

night elf fem would have made a great visage model, looking the horns youve got

[crimson jasper]

making every race a Visage just with added horns would have been better than what they went with imo

[umbral solar]

nelf fem, belf male, (or body 1 and 2), i feel would've worked

[umbral solar]

yeah. I understand arguments for and against that.

[crimson jasper]

l really don't like the current Visage looks

xd

all subjective ofc

[umbral solar]

on one hand i totally get it, dragons choose their own visage etc, but dracthyr are not "dragons" they were created by one.

[umbral solar]

oh 100% mate

I love the belf, but I'm still not 100% sold on it either tbh , played in dressing room couldnt really land on something i like

lots of hipster hairdos

[crimson jasper]

yet we get a quest with text that said we can choose any form we want ;p

maybe a hint towards opening up choices who knows

[umbral solar]

really?!?

I mean... for later down the track it makes sense if new dracthyr can adopt a different form

[crimson jasper]

the quest when you unlock the skill for it, don't remember the name but Ebonhorn talks to you about it iirc?

l didnt look too much further into it cause l'm avoiding most story spoilers

[umbral solar]

they might have meant "choose any form you want, as long as its dracthyr or visage" lol

[crimson jasper]

if ebonhorn would have known we are playing a game l'd agree ;p

[umbral solar]

well... enjoy away! I'm gonna keep watching Severance

[crimson jasper]

have fun^^

[umbral solar]

you too!

[ember blaze]

That would have been extremely lazy

[lean yew]

not a hint of tyrande/ysera in ohnaran plains

[crimson jasper]

not really, it would have given people more choice and saved resources, if you want it more fancy they could have added something else than just horns, overall l just don't like the current Visage forms, and l'd be more happy with even just being able to choose any other race at its base form without additional cosmetic stuff

they can still do that tho and keep the Visage forms they have made

won't happen probably but I also don't have to use the Visage form, would have just been cool to have one l would have used

[crimson jasper]

^

[deep pawn]

we're missing two classes, we should get them next week, I still think beta is this month

[ember blaze]

monk next week. dh the week after

[cunning fossil]

not unlikely very nice

[dense plover]

omg, they added base abilities and passives to the dragonflight talent calculator!

yay!

[cunning fossil]

nani where? In the scroll down?

[dense plover]

yeah below

[deep pawn]

it does include all glyphs though

[dense plover]

you can filter by class or spec

that doesnt have glyphs

this is so fucking awesome

i can ignore felguard and go hard on summoning as many demons as possible

[deep pawn]

and here I'm hyped for the fel guard talents

Plus there's some in there that help your demons a ton

On the right side you can get 10% more haste to your doggos

[dense plover]

bilescourge bombers, jailer, inquisitor's eye, imp gang boss, etc

only thing i skipped was demonic tyrant

i like it as a thing

but i think the hand of guldan at the bottom is probably more powerful

eh

or not

i just really like houndmaster's gambit

this is actually better

this way i get demonic tyrant

and dont waste talents on the felguard i wont use

not that the interrupt is separate, i see 0 reason to use it

[deep pawn]

fel guard will still be more damage

and have more hp

which if you're going tyrant buffs it

[dense plover]

eh

i would rather have 20 demons than 15 demons and a buffer felguard

its wackier

[ivory meadow]

2- 20?!

[cunning fossil]

Ok but consider.
Combining Tyrant JUST as Nether Portal Ends for the pit lord to stick around for 15 more seconds?

oh never mind I'm an idiot you already did that

Sorry

[rain cave]

The warlock talents are some of the best yet

I think it's because of how wide and creative some of it is

Themed around building your kit to a purpose

[cunning fossil]

agreed

They're so htematic and cool

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warlock/destruction/BOEKGREAiQVIRSGRBUNVVUUVSKKIEAgECBA

went ahead and tried to make a soul fire build for Destro

just pure Shadowburn spam

[deep pawn]

As it stands tyrant doesn't extend pitlord, but locks are bugged to hell

Half of afflictions abilities don't work at all

[cunning fossil]

Tyrant doesn't extend pitlord?? I hope that they clarify wether or not it's intended

though to be fair

[rain cave]

what race should my warlock be 😩

[cunning fossil]

even if it doesn't extend Pitlord, Tyrant still makes allyour Twisting Nether and Inner Demon Demons last for up to 30 seconds

[rain cave]

tied between the meme of vulpera, orc

and maybe nightborne

[cunning fossil]

Vulpera obviously

[rain cave]

the issue with vulpera is that then my mogs will look a bit shit

because of how helmets work on them

actually

guess it depends on the set

[cunning fossil]

fair enough

[rain cave]

vulpera it is

now I just need to decide on a server to boost on

because all my toons are ally idk if i should boost the vulpera on the same server

or does crossfaction mean it's not an issue

https://www.wowhead.com/news/warlocks-will-have-a-non-pet-interrupt-in-dragonflight-spell-lock-now-a-talent-328258

also bruh warlocks are so banger even on this first iteration

[astral jasper]

broadcast test anyone?

https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraftlore/comments/wkqg4j/spoilers_a_green_dragon_and_a_night_elf_leaders/

[rain cave]

is this fake?

[austere gazelle]

It's so bad I'll say it is not

[rain cave]

it reads like a shitpost

[austere gazelle]

Those kind of spoilers weren't supposed to be encrypted?

So no one could datamine this kind of thing?

If this is true, Malorne would have been a more meaningful choice

[rain cave]

I don't understand the logic in that post either

tyrande is not the heart of her people

malfurion is closer to nelf culture

tyrande is a priestess of elune, she's an expert on elune

malfurion is a druid which is way more in line with nelf culture

nelfs moving away from their elune obsession is something I'd like to see

[deep pawn]

My lock is nightborne female, they look good in Transmog

[rain cave]

the issue with nightborne for me is that their glowy hands can't be green

they look so arcaney

also, casting animations are shared with nelf

and good lord those are kind of terrible at times

[crystal pond]

This post is not fake, its even on wow tools atm

[rain cave]

fuck sake

how many bloody 'emotional' moments can ysera be in for modern WoW

why does she get such special attention in everything

despite the fact that they never update her model or actually do anything with her once they bring her in

she had little impact to the SL story other than

"I'm here"

in legion it was "I died lol"

[crystal pond]

I really hate for what blizzard did to her with whole rebirth stuff
Hello we have merithra
Let her be aspect
They didnt resurect malygos or Neltharion, but they did that to ysera
Female bias or what?

[rain cave]

I mean the story could have just been cooler

merithra having to step up as green aspect

kalecgos tying to guide her

as he had to do the same thing back in cata

but ofc kalec himself also going through a rediscovery of the blue flight at the same time

[crystal pond]

Yeah it was fun to watch
When kalec was like "i really scared but i need to do that"

Wanted same with merithra, but guess what
Its never gonna happen

[rain cave]

why bother giving merithra a higher res model than ysera if they're just gonna recycle ysera over and over lmao

[crystal pond]

And malfurion gonna be gone
No memes with sleepy druid man

[austere gazelle]

There is still an unknown element that will probably plays out in this expansion.
The dreadlords have an infiltrator in the plane of Life. This one gained the " truth " of her target.
" The vassal of life disguise treachery, beware the eyes of Green "
" Our operative have discovered a weakness that could be exploited "
It smells dreadlord somehow. Maybe Merithra was convinced she wasn't fit to be an Aspect and Ysera HAD to come back.
Ysera is somehow linked to Elune. There is a link that could be exploited

( does not explain why Malfurion had to die though. Malorne would have been a 100% more fitting choice )

[rain cave]

we still don't know who eyes of green is

in terms of the vassal of life

ysera has blue eyes

you could get very literate and iconorgraphical though

as the sun and moon are described as the eyes of the earth mother in tauren mythology

[austere gazelle]

Eyes of Green could also mean " someone envious " apparently

[rain cave]

maybe the "eyes of green" are the literal eyes of the green dragonflight

which would be elune and an'she

[rain cave]

galakrond was described as having a weird green energy too wasn't he?

and because of how his magic worked you could probably argue it was life-esque magic

[austere gazelle]

Given the way the sentence is build I'm not sure it's referencing to someone with green eyes ( could be though but we never know )

[uncut vault]

that dialogue is in fact real btw

[plain violet]

Mmh.

That doesn't seem really, really good.

[rain cave]

yeah I hate it

like straight up

I'm usually one to give benefit of the doubt, or play devils advocate for some story decisions

I've never gotten riled up about lore stuff really

but I just plain hate that story decision

lmao

like I this news came out a day after bellular released a video of his discussion on the (at the time) potential ysera resurrection and how he wants them to tread carefully and not resurrect her outright so soon

and just be wary of what they do next

then boom

"yeah it costs malfurion because lol"

what is there that ysera would even be needed for in this xpansion

like they'd need to resurrect her for some purpose right

they wouldn't just go "ok time for ysera to be back because dragons"

and yeet malfurion into the shadowlands

[crystal pond]

Also they changed Sabellian and Wrathion dialogue at Neltharus
And now it looks better

[crystal pond]

Im gonna laught hard if she gonna die again in this expac

[austere gazelle]

That's why they shouldn't encrypt lore and spoiler things, player needs to give feedback

At least to try to reduce those kind of ... " storyline "

[livid walrus]

New feature: soul trading

[pulsar minnow]

I’m not too much against Ysera coming back personally

She died at the start of Legion (2 years) and then we went into BFA and shadowlands (4 years) and now we have a time skip of like 2-3 years. Even without the time skip Ysera took longer to come back than Cenarius did

[austere gazelle]

It's not Ysera's return, its the senseless " lore explanation " as to why malfurion should exchange her place

[livid walrus]

We dont know. This is part of why leaks are bad

[austere gazelle]

We do, Malfurion is saying that Ysera " saved his life " in Val'sharah and he should have been the one to die. I'm trying to find when this occured.

[plain violet]

When she got corrupted by attempting to "save him"

[austere gazelle]

Yeah, that's 'wonky' tbh.

[plain violet]

But, well, Xavius didn't even wanted to kill Malfurion, just tourment him and take his sweet time.

So there is really no "his time was to die"..

It is.. Datamining still, so could change, but it wouldn't make sense.

[austere gazelle]

As I said, Malorne sounds like a better trade off than Malfurion anyway.

[plain violet]

It could, as they were tied...

For the Hogger people:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466626566621757442/1006900689949179944/unknown.png

[rain cave]

not at all

the last time we saw ysera was... this patch

if they rez her in 10.0

that will be 1 patch

prepatch seperate? I'll give you benefit of the doubt

means we don't see ysera for 1 prepatch in the story

then boom she's back

shadowlands was already her "coming back"

yes they teased she might return "some day" but that doesn't justify her presence at the beginning of dragonflight, especially sacrificing malfurion for it

Ysera doesn't bring anything to the stories she's been in across legion and shadowlands

she was just there

bringing her back for dragonflight to me it's just like

"well why'd you kill her off in the first place?"

maybe it is just them trying to undo damage afrasabi did

and also thinking "why did we kill her off tf"

but their choice to make malfurion the sacrifice is stupid

I mean maybe the whole "the vassal of life holds treachery, beware eyes of green" thing, where eyes of green means envy

will refer to tyrande going nutso again because malfurions gone and she envy's/ resents ysera for taking him

since tyrande was the vassal of elune literally

but imo elune isn't life

so I don't agree with that

[dense plover]

I hope that works. That’s stupid

[crystal pond]

If it was malfurion and not ysera who died in legion the story in SL will be more cooler then we have rn

Ysera death was stupud
Ysera rebirth was stupid
And now that
Gonna laught hard if they gonna retcon this in future expacs

[frozen zealot]

They’ll find something to give us somehow that says “here is why Ysera has to come back” if not then we’ll just watch the general storyline in Dragonflight crater and become inconsistent with plotholes and happenings that don’t make any sense just like Shadowlands then playercount will drop so badly then who knows maybe it will or maybe it won’t be the end of wow, I guess we’ll wait and see.

[pulsar minnow]

That’s not what I’m talking about. What I’m saying is that her character, whether we see her in the Shadowlands or not, has been dead longer Cenarius

[glad niche]

In game time. Not irl time. Is what Tiridan is saying

[pulsar minnow]

Ya

[glad niche]

So the white hogger was indeed a placeholder? Neat

[dense plover]

As I said when people on Reddit got up in arms. It was all but guaranteed to be a placeholder

[plain violet]

It was! :)

[dense plover]

They don’t replace iconic mobs with normal ones

[glad niche]

Peeps seemin angry about characters popping back up in a fantasy game. I'm just saying. Dragonball is still quite loved by it's fans. Idek how often Goku dies.

[dense plover]

That’s been a consistent thing

[glad niche]

I didn't really feel one way or the other about the whole hogger thing. It's just another angry mob I saw passing by the window.

I DID go - " color palette swap? Hmmmm"

[lean yew]

Praise ysera

I will gladly trade 1 malfurion for 1 ysera

It’s clear from doing ohnaran plains that merithra is in over her head lol

[ember blaze]

why

also, is ysera alive alive? 🤔

cause she was reborn with the seed right, so if she wasnt bound shed be alive in azeroth?

so if she dies she becomes a seed again right

[glad niche]

I think thats the whole Malfurion swap they were talking about earlier

shes alive in the worlds of death, shes not alive in the mortal plains atm. Idk if its datamine stuff or alpha stuff but apparently malf may be dying to bring her back to the living world or something

[ember blaze]

yeah but is she alive like a shadowlands former alive person

[glad niche]

That they didnt say above.

Not that I caught

[ember blaze]

cause being revived from the seed = alive in the real world right

[glad niche]

I think the seed is for a new elf treehouse, no?

not for her

[ember blaze]

no i mean when she was a seed

cause she died

[glad niche]

she was revived by the queens magic, in the ardenweald seed

which is why she became bound there

[ember blaze]

so if she dies, she wont become anima

🤔

[glad niche]

if malfurion is dying to somehow Goku her back to mortal realm, i think all currently understood mortal/SL death cannon is tossed out the window

which, you know, is blizzards way 😂

"heeey. Death Queen person.... swapsies?"

Him dying WOULD fuel Tyrande to be the eyes of green thing (if its an artful reference to jealousy) Seeing as she's awful at emotional control for a leader.

the entire green thing makes me go "Hmmmm.... Illigan eyeholes green now, and hes always had brother issues with malfurion 🤔 "

[rain cave]

which is irrelevant

because to us it doesn't feel like a long time

it's hard to asspull a timeskip as justification of things going faster

especially if the premise before the skip was

"some day, in the future, not soon"

and cenarius only died shortly after ysera

I mean technically before as well

because cenarius has come back multiple times

but it's been established that as a wild god cenarius can regenerate himself in the dream like that

whereas ysera cannot as a dragon aspect

and it's taken special intervention to cause this resurrection (multiple times)

I just feel they should cut their losses with ysera

I thought they were doing an illidan or a khadgar with her

still alive but just off doing their own thing, somewhere else

[glad niche]

🤷

[fierce shell]

i might need to buy a mmo mouse for DF. every spec i play gained like 3-5 additional skills

except boomkin, poor boomy. tree needs rework its so barebones imo

[rain cave]

if you haven't already, alt modifying keys worked for me to add more buttons

[fierce shell]

ya i know i find that a bit annoying tho tbh lol. shift is comfy but control and alt start gets weird

[rain cave]

alt Z. alt C, alt Q, Alt E

those are all solid binds

ofc alt 1,2,3

don't use your f number keys though

alt f4 isn't a great keybind

for me I have to find loads of keys since I only bind 1-5 on the actual number keys

and 5 is reserved for very niche spells I never use

1-4 is comfortable, anything past that's impossible

[fierce shell]

I use 1-4 for long cooldowns. and then main skills and stuff on Q,E, F, middle mouse button, thumb1,thumb2, and scroll up/down

[rain cave]

I use 1-4 for basic rotation stuff, Q and E for bigger core stuff

R for interrupts

X for AOE spell

F for whatever

[fierce shell]

shift-r and r have been my interrupts since vanilla nice lol

[rain cave]

alt Q and E are my offensive cooldowns

alt R is usually some kind of stun

I like to keep my bindings themed

[fierce shell]

i gotta use shift modifier more often that aloen should give me enough binds

[rain cave]

alt 1,2,3 are all defensive CD's

most of the time

[fierce shell]

especially now that my kb has a nice shift with the lubed stablizer and lubed switch

[rain cave]

I always reserve the 2 key for things like charge, deathgrip

harpoon

tab is for things like shadowstep, blink, psychic scream

[fierce shell]

i still have my tab as targeting

[rain cave]

idk how that works

how does it know what you want to target

just by pressing a button

[fierce shell]

its usually waht is in front of you, i click too. depends on the situation

[rain cave]

I only click

gets hectic in M+

[fierce shell]

I also use capslock as a key. but it can be annoying if i type a lot lol

[rain cave]

I forbade myself from doing that

[fierce shell]

it's actually in a good position to use a key, just the whole typing in caps problem lol

i use it as aoe cc on most classes or frost nova

[deep pawn]

I'm on the side the bringing Ysera back invalidates a lot of the Ardenweald story. The Winter Queen sacrificed greatly to bind Ysera to Ardenweald, and now is just gonna be "You can go if I get this slightly weaker being"

[rain cave]

idk how you would press it comfortably

[fierce shell]

guess it depends on the keyboard and hand position. for me it's actually easier than shift

[rain cave]

tf

I like to have all my keys in like, rotational reach

I don't like having to reposition my hand to press keys

or stretch anything outwards

[livid walrus]

Well maybe he has more anima so it doesnt matter if on the living realm he is abot weaker

[deep pawn]

if he's being turned into a seed, he's fed Anima to help him revive in the dream, which he could give he's nearly a demi-god

And that's what they're doing with Vol'jin as the new loa of kings

[pulsar minnow]

Cenarius didn't die in the Emerald Nightmare raid. He was knocked unconcious.

[pulsar minnow]

Uh... no. That's not true in the slightest. She was literally in a Wild Seed waiting to be reborn.

[charred gyro]

Yeah, Ysera would have been reborn if the anima drought wasn’t a thing. Nothing at all to do with being an aspect.

[ember blaze]

but she was reborn still no?

[uncut lintel]

[charred gyro]

When I said reborn, I meant back into the realm of Life. She was “reborn” from her seed once the Winter Queen gave a bit of her power to save Ysera’s failing seed. In doing so, Ysera became infused and bound to both the Winter Queen and the realm of Ardenweald (or maybe the SL in general). The understanding from there was that she could not be reborn into the realm of Life at that point because of the binding.

[rain cave]

she was sent there by elune

special exception

[rain cave]

then he died before ysera the last time he died

[rain cave]

why are people assuming malfurion will become a wild seed

or it's to do with anima

[charred gyro]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Malfurion would have become a wildseed, but I wouldn’t expect it either.

[rain cave]

malfurion's just gonna take ysera's place in the SL binding

is my guess

he's not dying

[charred gyro]

Tomato, tomato.

[rain cave]

not really

[charred gyro]

You’re right, it’s not quite dying as we’ve been told dying works. But I suppose I’ve assumed this is going to involve taking his soul, not just taking his living form over for an indefinite sleepover.

[cunning fossil]

Agreed

[rain cave]

why would it be taking his soul though

ysera is still basically alive

she's not soulless in the sl