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sharp loom
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And I think deathwing should've just been a corpse in the maelstrom

dense plover
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lull us into complacency

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then bam

sharp loom
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Awful explosion even if there is no future for him

dense plover
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after the hour of twilight, resurrect and bring back the full force of the black empire

rain cave
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opposite way round

sharp loom
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They did deathwing dirty

rain cave
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old god stuff causes murozond

sharp loom
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I hope the final expansion is just well of eternity

dense plover
rain cave
sharp loom
dense plover
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which is the destruction of azeroth/the empowering of the old gods/void lords

sharp loom
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That is awful

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Lmao

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The old gods tried to do shit in the war of the ancients right

rain cave
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yes but also, murozond is a void aligned entity as far as we know

sharp loom
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yeah deathwing

plain violet
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I hope we will see more of Neltharion.

crystal pond
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He broked the timeline when everyone was going to the end of time and not in the past

dense plover
rain cave
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and according to lore was created when old gods trick nozdormu into breaking the timeways

dense plover
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we dont know how it will truly happen

rain cave
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well how else would it be done

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lmao

crystal pond
dense plover
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but considering all the titan stuff on the isles, old god stuff isnt over

rain cave
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he just going to go spiderman 3 on us and have an emo phase?

dense plover
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think about the 3 seals mentioned in thaldrazzus

plain violet
dense plover
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and remember the rumor of a 5th old god?

rain cave
plain violet
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Wrathion talk about the voice as someone who was used to "world ending plans"

rain cave
dense plover
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its possible the dragon isles is right on top of a 5th old god

sharp loom
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I have at theory that the more Azeroth gets wounded and attacked
The more power the old gods have to corrupt the planet

rain cave
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and xalatath

dense plover
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wouldnt be retconning

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it would just confirm the theory

rain cave
dense plover
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and it could tie into xalatath and the art of that big squid shell thing

sharp loom
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Yeah

rain cave
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but azeroth being wounded is actually counter to what the old gods want

sharp loom
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Less defenses and the world soul will have cracks

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to corrupt

rain cave
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the old gods don't want to kill azeroth

sharp loom
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So Lmao imagine void lords opening sargeras

rain cave
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or have her in a wounded state

sharp loom
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sargeras being free so the olds gods can take the final blow

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that would be hectic

sharp loom
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going through the wounds is a way of doing that tho

crystal pond
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They CANT corrupt adult titans

dense plover
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interestingly related to the possibility of a 5th old god - the art that also hints at it from chronicles is very squidlike and considering the lack of the squidlike structure on dragon isles, it might be underground

rain cave
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xalatath's body could be under there 🤷‍♂️

dense plover
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this thing is missing

sharp loom
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I hope that's a patch

dense plover
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its the name of the weapon

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its supposedly a piece of one

rain cave
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well

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was inside

crystal pond
dense plover
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but that doesnt mean its the consciousness of the old god

rain cave
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it's called the black blade

dense plover
rain cave
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or blade of the black empire

dense plover
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10.1 is supposed to be underground

rain cave
crystal pond
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DF have different concept that it was originally

dense plover
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and with the titan facilities and the elemental seals

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its possible theres a 5th old god under the island

rain cave
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because nzoth's essence is most likely inside the black blade at the moment

dense plover
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remember, ghuun had 3 seals as well

pulsar minnow
dense plover
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they look pretty similar to the seal we see in thaldrazzus

rain cave
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and I could see a plot develop where if xalatath's original body is sealed under the dragon isles

crystal pond
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Wasnt 5th old god was ghuun?

dense plover
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ghuun was artificial

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the titans made it

rain cave
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nzoth cultists could try put him into it

dense plover
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but it got out of hand

dense plover
glad niche
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I wanna know whats feeding the tyrhold beacon

dense plover
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give nzoth a stronger body

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because he is physically the weakest

glad niche
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that light coming from SOMEWHERE

dense plover
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but was the smartest

dense plover
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it has a name

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theres a cutscene where it helps empower the flights again at the end

glad niche
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Its name is big stone thing?

crystal pond
dense plover
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except it doesnt work

rain cave
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I imagine it's related to tyr

dense plover
dense plover
rain cave
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and ofc the light

dense plover
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an artificial old god

rain cave
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which is why I reckon it could be keeping some void influence at bay

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under the dragon isles

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maybe it's even an'she related in terms of its light theming

uncut vault
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She’s actually got one of the better villain presences to date in the 10.0 leveling story

rain cave
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tie in and explain what an'she is if it's actually a titan thing

uncut vault
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And the base xpac ultimately leads directly into the raid where we fight her

crystal pond
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What if tyryon will do something really stupid and it will release a old god?

rain cave
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tyryon?

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who?

crystal pond
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Tyriom

glass flicker
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Oh, Razsageth is a female? Don't nuke me for pronouns because I didn't spoil myself, please. xD

rain cave
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tirion?

uncut vault
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Her motives are clear, she’s got good reason to do what she’s doing, and isn’t entirely incompetent the whole way through

crystal pond
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Ye

rain cave
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tirion fordring?

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he's dead

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like stone cold

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dead dead

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ultra dead

crystal pond
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The light guy on throne rn

pulsar minnow
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That's Turalyon

rain cave
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turalyon

pulsar minnow
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He's pretty uninvolved with the story

rain cave
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I doubt he'd release an old god

crystal pond
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Ahahah i forgot a name sorry

rain cave
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unless there's one hiding in the stormwind castle

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because I can't see turalyon leaving that place

crystal pond
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Or maybe play a role to noz corruption

rain cave
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the only tentacles he's releasing is with alleria in the bedroom

pulsar minnow
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I'd honestly be incredibly disappointed if this expansion just turns into another Old God expac

crystal pond
pulsar minnow
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Yeah but even so the storylines of the zones are pretty set in stone

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huh that rhymed

rain cave
crystal pond
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Even on beta i dont think they gonna involve turalyon

rain cave
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and not for xpac after

zealous basalt
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Is the new UI implemented?

pulsar minnow
rain cave
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I'm thinking they'll start working towards stuff that will pay off either end of expansion after, or 2 expansions down

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with the void stuff

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alternatively if we want to buy in to the memes

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the fact that devs are being allowed to experiment, and the WoW team is actually growing

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maybe they're about to gear in for a WoW 2 xdddddd

crystal pond
pulsar minnow
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I'm just genuinely tired of cosmic stuff. I don't want an old god nor do I want an escapade into the Voidlands. Legion did cosmic threats almost perfectly. Have them come to us.

pulsar minnow
rain cave
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I think the next stage for cosmic stuff will be the grand conflict over azeroth

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instead of us going anywhere else

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that being said before we get that I'd love to see an outland revamp for it

crystal pond
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I mean raid bosses

pulsar minnow
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Yeah but they already have the whole story pre-planned. They also told us that we'd know the final boss by the end of 10.0 and I'm not seeing any hints of Turalyon anywhere lol

rain cave
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this is an expansion about dragons so I feel the end boss has to be related to that story

crystal pond
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Did they said about murozond corruptiong anywhere?

rain cave
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i don't mean literally a dragon, look at garrosh in MoP

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but garrosh was associated with the story, as MoP was also about a growing faction conflict

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as well as introducing y'shaarj there and old god stuff

crystal pond
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Is someone know that garrosh will dig out heart of old god and went crazy af?

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Before it happened

rain cave
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if we look at the elements in dragonflight so far, we have primalists who are tied to galakrond, a blood elf who we know is at some point going to cause something bad to happen that's impactful, the stuff underground we've yet to know about (but is related to tyr's hold beacon), murozond/nozdormu

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in pandaria, for example, the klaxxi were introduced at launch and were related to old god stuff

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as well as the titan stuff with the mogu

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you could argue that once we were aware of y'shaarj's existence as well as knowing there was a faction conflict

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we knew the last bosses of the expansion

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(garrosh/yshaarj)

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it might be that we don't actually know literally who the last boss is going to be in DF by the end of the 1st patch

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just that we know the person who will END UP being the the last boss

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or similarly, how in legion we knew that sargeras was the goal of the expansion from the start

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but the actual last boss was a proxy for him

deep pawn
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I mean the finale of klaxxi faction quests was them straight up telling you "thanks for the help, but we'll kill you the moment the old gods return"

rain cave
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I reckon galakrond is the safest and strongest bet of the big obvious ones

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like people would get hyped to fight a massive protodrake with so much potential for a good staked story

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and art

deep pawn
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I still think it's Murozond unless he's used to bring a Galakrond from the past.

rain cave
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whereas murozond is just

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normal dragon

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like we don't fight normal dragons as last bosses

pulsar minnow
uncut vault
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Deathwing was also a really shitty last boss 😛

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theyve learned to not do stupidly sized bosses anymore

rain cave
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if we ever fight a normal dragon there's a gimmick to it

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deathwing wasn' even in dragon form

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he was just goo with tentacles

deep pawn
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Poor Onyxia and Nefarion in bwd

uncut vault
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Yes, because they physically couldnt do him in dragon form

rain cave
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+spine gimmick

uncut vault
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because you literally would just see his feet

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thats why they did the two different bosses

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Galakrond would/will have the same issue

rain cave
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I also don't think chromatus will be a last boss

deep pawn
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Galakrond is as big as DW if not way bigger

pulsar minnow
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Galakrond could sort of be a setpiece

uncut vault
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it's the same reason why they cut the original Argus fight

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and just made him titan keeper sized

rain cave
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I would be down to have a raid set inside galakrond thas all I;m sayin

uncut vault
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big bosses like that just don't work in WoW

deep pawn
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We did that with nzoth and it got laughed at

rain cave
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I mean I imagined our showdown sargeras in legion would be us literally on or in his body

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lol

pulsar minnow
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I've pitched it before but hear me out: A section of a raid or scenario where we get to use dragonriding to go around while the Dragon Aspects battle Galakrond

glad niche
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raids worth of people just chewing on his ankle. Seems legit

pulsar minnow
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The Aspects are doing the work we're just making sure they can keep doing that

rain cave
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I think they're bringing in these new things to experiment

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and find the fun

deep pawn
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I just don't think the scale of Galakrond makes for an interesting fight for players. Save it for a cinematic maybe

pulsar minnow
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Like imagine looking up and seeing stuff like this

rain cave
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because seriously what's the worst the could happen, they've had fights underwater and fights where you have to go platform to platform

pulsar minnow
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Just two massive dragons battling while everything is going crazy

rain cave
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if the dragonriding part is received badly for the fight they can just make it a simple hop to another island on mountback

uncut vault
rain cave
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I reckon we will see dragonriding tested as a mechanic in some early raid fights though

glad niche
uncut vault
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Sargeras just being a step above anything we could ever handle was a good move in legion

rain cave
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so they'll know if they can use it as an epic mechanic later on

deep pawn
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I'm just saying after Deathwing and N'zoth being poorly received, they'll never do a massive enemy raid boss again unless they do something like the summoning is messed up and he's shrunk

rain cave
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GW2 does good dragon fights

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or encounters I should say as well

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fighting zhaitan on the big epic airship was really cool

glad niche
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it was!

rain cave
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where you have to wait for him to show up, then somebody spots him and you see him gradually come out of the cloudcover

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a titan of flesh, a titan of metal in the air duking it out

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all hands on deck

pulsar minnow
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I don't think people really want to fight Galakrond as much as they just want to physically see him represented in-game in a meaningful way

glad niche
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The fight with aurenes granspa or whatever he was was pretty neat too

deep pawn
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Some things remain cooler as bones and myths of the past

rain cave
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and not in the middle of a mountain or whatever

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in the ocean

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mf landed in he ocean and is still big enough to be a zone

glad niche
rain cave
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that could be a thing, we kill galakrond in a cinematic or whatever but he ends up being so big he turns into the next patches zone

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because he can't truly be killed or something

lucid saffron
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I'd rather see a fight against Chromatus then Galakrond. Facing off against a 5 headed dragon that are of each flight.

rain cave
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chromatus is eh to me

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I reckon he will be a boss

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this xpac

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but he is for sure not final boss material

deep pawn
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I could absolutely see us stopping a summoning or resurrection, but actually fighting sounds like a recipe for disaster

glad niche
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MoP taught me mutiple headed bosses are a pain in the butt

rain cave
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not even mechanica lperspective

lucid saffron
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True, multihead bosses can be a nightmare if not done correctly

rain cave
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I think chromatus just feels like random elite mob you'd find in the open world

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nothing special

uncut vault
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you know that galakrond is literally just a big, diseased dragon right? 😛

glad niche
rain cave
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yeah but he feels cooler

pulsar minnow
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Yeah but he's a badass big, diseased dragon.

rain cave
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it's not about literal, as written canon and lore

uncut vault
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like, if literally "the culmination of all five dragonflights and the corruption of the old gods that was so strong they had to lock it in a prison and hope he never got free" isnt cool enough

lucid saffron
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Pretty sure he's just a pile of bones, last I checked, in Northrend

rain cave
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it's about how it feels

uncut vault
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a big dead dragon wont be either lol

deep pawn
rain cave
glad niche
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Idk what raid mosses were in bfa, also people quit jobs daily, so

deep pawn
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If N'zoth was rushed , a Galakrond fight wouldn't be much better

uncut vault
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and galakrond just looks like a big derpy proto-dragon now 😛

glad niche
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bosses* I was thinking of the clunk of deathwings fight

rain cave
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as well as galakrond having a mystery to him

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about what his power was

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chromatus is just a bunch of normal drake models clipped together

pulsar minnow
rain cave
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of spirit

glad niche
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I mean, if hes brought back he'll be a big hungry extra angry proto dragon. + whatever gross stuffs undoubtedly crawling around on/in em

deep pawn
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As far as I know, we primarily have the same leads for raid design from BFA still here.

rain cave
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incarnate of wind, fire, water, earth, spirit

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there should be one for each element, no?

pulsar minnow
uncut vault
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the incarnates didnt come to be until after the aspects got empowered

rain cave
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spirit = death

uncut vault
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but also galakrond would 100% be decay, not spirit

rain cave
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galakrond incarnate of spirit

glad niche
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My thought with it is, Galla might not just be gala in a comeback. He apparently cant truely die or whatever yeah? So.. what stops the old gods from tormenting him while hes sealed or whatever atm?

rain cave
rain cave
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incarnates are just a title

uncut vault
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I think that the threat of galakrond is definitely going to be a thing this xpac, I just don't think it's going to be literally him, let alone as the end boss of the xpac

deep pawn
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Well spirit eats life so while not exactly decay it's not a stretch

uncut vault
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theyre 100% not going to make another deathwing-level mistake for the endboss

rain cave
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ysera becomes incarnate of spirit to fight galakrond incarnate of decay 🤔

deep pawn
glad niche
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Whats keeping Galakrond from being warped by old gods and we dont find out until a successful rezz/reincarnation?

rain cave
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no old gods to warp him

glad niche
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theres none atm?

rain cave
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lol

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I mean

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xalatath?

glad niche
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Idk all the current lore so its a legit question xD

rain cave
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the only old god with some lingering influence in both body/whispers is yogg

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I think

deep pawn
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Knaifu is there, and Azshara is off to serve the throne of true power which could be void lords

rain cave
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nzoth is most likely in the black blade

rain cave
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azshara isn't a void aligned entity

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she hated the old gods from what I recall in bfa

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if she's going anywhere it's to find out more about the titans/order

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since all of her favourite things come from that domain

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arcane magic

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tidestone

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well of eternity, in a way

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throne of true power would also imply the throne over the other domains

deep pawn
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Except it's the void that usually markets itself as true power.

rain cave
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and order looks to be the domain with all the power atm

rain cave
uncut lintel
glad niche
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From what i know of her she was rather highnosed even to the old god that squidified her yeah? Somehow i dont see her willingly taking orders from them

rain cave
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it was azshara

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the highest throne we know of it first ones

deep pawn
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Why would she even be aware of first ones?

rain cave
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why wouldn't she be?

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they created the cycle that the old gods were sent to break effectively

deep pawn
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It'd require the old gods being in the know from the void lords and telling her.

rain cave
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I reckon the old gods would know

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yogg saron, god of death? lived next to icecrown, that was made out of his own blodd

deep pawn
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Old gods seem pretty minor on the cosmological scale

rain cave
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azeroth being tied to zereth mortis

deep pawn
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They're somewhere between wild gods and titans in power.

rain cave
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I think the people out of the know are us mortals and we're stumbling into a cosmology blindly

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the veil is being lifted

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the old gods know so much

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we cannot fathom it

deep pawn
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Feels like that'd be a mistake on the void lords part giving too much info to beings that were annoyances to the titans. Old gods were placed to corrupt the world soul, or I guess as a failsafe, destroy it if titans killed them.

rain cave
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why would the old gods knowing being a mistake on the void lords?

deep pawn
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Void lords can't enter our plane yet, but seems like other forces can likely go there.

rain cave
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wdym

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we've not seen any beings equivalent to the void lords enter our realm

jade basalt
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Void Lords can enter our plane, it's just that they lose their energy the longer they stay so they need to constantly consume matter and energy to stay anchored, as per Chronicle. We know of one void lord who did it, Dimensius, but he got pushed back by Tu'ure.

rain cave
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are you sure he's an actual void lord and not just the ingame voidlord/voidwalker things

crystal pond
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Yeah he is

rain cave
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ffs this bot

crystal pond
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No links for you today

rain cave
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I just want to link to wowpedia

jade basalt
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Yeah Dimensius is mentioned to have consumed whole entire worlds, he's not just a random mob.
And he has a whole army of Commanders whom we've met in TBC and WoD (who are actually smaller void beings), like Pandemonius.

And you can see on Chronicle's cosmic chart that Void Lords don't really look special.

rain cave
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but yeah the there are 2 pages on wowpedia, Voidlord and Void lord

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and they're drastically different

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lmao

crystal pond
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Hehehe

rain cave
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not the big boys

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also dimensius is a dungeon boss

crystal pond
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Its linked its a void lord like a void void lord

jade basalt
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Also, Xal'atath confirmed that Dimensius is a Void Lord proper, not just a voidlord mob.

crystal pond
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The real treat to the universe is a player dracthyr_lulmao

rain cave
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why tf he a dungeon boss

jade basalt
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Because that was pre retcon

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There was no such thing as 'Void Lords' back in TBC

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Just voidlords

crystal pond
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Oh the time when old gods was powerful then sargeras mmmm

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Sometimes retcon is needed

jade basalt
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Same reason we randomly killed Archaedas for some random treasure in a trogg cave, and then he got retconned into being one of the nine Titan Keepers and most powerful beings on the planet and protector of Azeroth, and now it's weird cause we beat his ass for no reason

rain cave
crystal pond
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For Loot

subtle oar
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It wasnt the full Void Lord

jade basalt
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It was definitely him but he wasn't at full power, it was just a shade of his power.

Xal'atath whispers: I long for the day our masters can truly pass into this realm. You have only seen fragments, shadows; the faintest of echoes. Ask the Ethereals what one of these manifestations are capable of.

crystal pond
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"the laterns will lead the masters way"

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They gonna mess up will oath stones and with tyrhold

deep pawn
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Didn't we also wake Archaedas up the wrong way so he may have been weakened?

uncut lintel
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@subtle oar oh i forgot wut i was gonna ping u for

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💀 just had it siting in my chat box

charred gyro
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True. Wake me up the wrong way and I can’t handle anything

proper crystal
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If Dracthyr were furry bait, the females would have boobs and the males would be a lot bigger. just saying

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tbh, the way I know WoW’s furry-esque races are unique and well-designed is that I can recognize when I’m seeing a Warcraft race surrounded by other furry art on something like e621.

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if you think Dracthyr look like furry art, I have to assume you don’t look at much furry art, tbh. Googling “dragon fursona” brings up a couple images that are similar (but with much shorter necks or massive boobs), but the vast majority of examples that come up would never be mistaken for a dracthyr.

deep pawn
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I think most people were complaining about the eyes early

glass flicker
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I think people were complaining about Dracthyr being dragon twinks instead of buff draconic humanoids.

dense plover
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theyre not a melee class

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theyre a mid-range caster-type

deep pawn
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They'd point to humans and hell, even male blood elves. Draenei some of the greatest mages of all time, the males have fridge chests.

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But yeah, I'm largely fine with Dracthyr.

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Hell I'm unlikely to make the buffest ones.

dense plover
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yeah i like the smaller bodies tbh

plain violet
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Same one, for now I tend to body two with dracthyr. The "absolute buff by default" was a problem from start of WoW.

cunning fossil
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I'm joking please don't take me seriously

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but again #ChestsliderforBodys1+2

cunning fossil
plain violet
# cunning fossil BUt seriously, AGREED

I can only agreed with you too. 😁
In every MMO I love more normal or slender type, or having the choice. It was... not that nice the "if male, must be Schwarzeneger"

proper crystal
# cunning fossil but again #ChestsliderforBodys1+2

Yes! I have SO many male characters using the "female" body type, I'd love to have a flat-chest option. My dracthyr will be yet another, I use he/they pronouns for Evanormu, a flat-chest option would be great.

glad niche
proper crystal
plain violet
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Pretty. :)

glad niche
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Piping in on the Disneyfied thing too. I'm aware I'm already apparently the odd one out here. But the game has always, above anything else, to me. Been cartoonish. Hell, TONS of people used to and I see a lot still- calling their alt characters "toons".
I don't personally see the issue with the Dracthyr look. I also don't see the "Disney" that so many people apparently see. Considering the body types we see in Frozen have almost become full default for anything they do 3D that involves humans. I don't see it.

The game has always been super vibrantly colored and had its own offset away from other mmos.

proper crystal
plain violet
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You're welcome! :)

I also agree the game was always really saturated with colors. Teldrassil is the perfect example.

glad niche
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I actually used to only play wow when FFXIV didn't feel high enough fantasy for me visually. Like, if you go into the black shroud (or nearly any core game zone) apart from the fantastical critters, the zone looks hyper realistic.

Meanwhile I look beside a rock in wow and there's a slobbering carnivorous plant just chilling.

proper crystal
# glad niche Piping in on the *Disneyfied* thing too. I'm aware I'm already apparently the od...

Agreed. I don't get the point in complaining about it becoming cartoony... It always has been. It was uglier when everything had 3 polygons, but it was always cartoony. That's something I love about WoW, it's not trying to be realistic or gritty. It can be dark and filled with horror and--well, it's warcraft, after all--but it's not setting out to be depressing. The colorful, cartoony aesthetic balances that out in a way settings that like Tamriel (ESO) doesn't.

glad niche
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The humor in wow has also always been cartoonish too. Someone loonietoons extents at times.

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Somewhat*

rain cave
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As discussed last night, it was a very metal style fantasy epic before

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Whereas now it's less that

plain violet
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ESO is sometimes too much "gritty dark".

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I also agree with Sama. Few zones in FFXIV can really make us feel high fantasy.

rain cave
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Yeah but ff14 is crap xd

glad niche
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Opinions.

proper crystal
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much metal, very nostalgia.

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rain cave
proper crystal
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okay, obligatory /s

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im joking, mate
obviously that's a stupid argument.

rain cave
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I think a good comparison here could be like old vs new orc and tauren

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Maybe even dwarf

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Since before they were obviously aimed to be more gritty

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In design

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But now they have a kind of animated life behind their eyes and an expression level that's not as serious

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WoW was never fully serious, but the comedy used to come in part from contradiction, this stiff gritty model saying or doing something nonbefitting

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The newer models leaned into the comedy of the actions but not the contradiction part, making the artstyle more "cartoony" and expressive

glad niche
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And I get that it used to look a set way. They pretty much chose the updated visual direction when they added pandaren and made their open announcement as to updating everything else to that higher polygon status.

Also, going and running MoP on a new character, you get to see new model nazgrim and old model nazgrim in fast succession. Opinion- his old model looks awful. He has no lips.

rain cave
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Just look at how tauren smile. When dancing

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Or when orc clapping face

languid yoke
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I don't think they had the technical tools to have them smile back then KEKW

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no game at that time really was expressive in a way games can be now

rain cave
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No shit

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But that still factors into design

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Lol

languid yoke
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I'm not a fan of the argumentation cause I just think the "gritty" part was part of the limitations

rain cave
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Which was still the design...

languid yoke
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cause I would not consider sth like WoD HFC as a happy funtime place

rain cave
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The way guldan expresses though, is kind of comical

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And your argument that "no because they didn't have the tech" is not really an excuse, design is influenced and controlled by what you can do

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They didn't think "of only we had more polygons to do x"

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They went "here's our design for our graphics budget"

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A conscious choice to go with a gritty style

glad niche
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Part of what you just talked about comes from issues outside of the models themselves.

Animation.

Over the years 14 has gotten better and better at realistic grounded expressions. They do a lot of silly experimentation in the form of hildibrand (just a side story questline) but in their overuse of weird face pulling and shenanigans they learn where the overextensions lay with the models.

Meanwhile, unless it's a super duper important cutscene in wow, you get to see whoever use the generic /talk emote with random lip movement over in wow.

rain cave
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Vanilla wow especially shows it

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WoW used to be fine showing human face skin used to make a tent

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Not cartoony either

languid yoke
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I never picked up on that

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(I knew about it years later)

rain cave
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Gnolls used to have a twisted visage with beady eyes and a foaming maw to eat people

proper crystal
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oh yeah, the gnolls' tents are sick

rain cave
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Tauren looked glum and muted, instead of expressive

languid yoke
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also what's your point, Legion has a mount made out of Draenei souls

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which is gross and dark af

rain cave
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But it's not graphic is it

languid yoke
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YEAH IT IS

rain cave
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Not in the same way

plain violet
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It is. O_o

rain cave
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We've had amalgamations all the time

languid yoke
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bruh.

plain violet
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Did you see their faces?!

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These are litteraly screaming and aguished faces.

rain cave
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Thaddius is creepier

rain cave
languid yoke
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thaddius is a dumb construct

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the fuck you're on

proper crystal
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Hell, did you see the quest in maldraxxus where there was an abomination made of kyrians stitched together?

rain cave
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Thaddius is made from women and children who's screams you can still fear

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Hear

plain violet
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...

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This is for you visually creepier than :

languid yoke
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oh no Neronn don't post thaddius he's so GRAPHIC

rain cave
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Not what I said neronn

proper crystal
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Or that one wicker boss in BFA who is made of multiple souls begging you to free them and thanking you at the end?

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wow

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watcher lmao

plain violet
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Gosh, let's wait for the model...

rain cave
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I'm just saying that while they still can do dark things, they aren't nearly as graphic

plain violet
rain cave
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Yeah evil looking mount

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The faces all look evil

languid yoke
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back then you could get away with dark things more easily at age limit 12 since it was simply less recognizable

proper crystal
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BFA had these guys, I mean....

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rain cave
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Doesn't show that these are forced together

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Yeah I'm not saying they don't do dark stuff

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I'm just saying where are the skinned human corpses?

languid yoke
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in diablo

proper crystal
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. . .

rain cave
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There's just a feeling

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It's not something entirely concrete

languid yoke
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your feeling is wrong then

rain cave
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It's how it feels

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Nope

languid yoke
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idk touch grass but make sure it's dark and gritty

rain cave
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Lol so if I disagree with your opinion you deflect with It's my opinion but mines wrong

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Gotcha

proper crystal
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Literally the house of constructs in Maldraxxus but okay

rain cave
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Again, I never claimed they stopped doing dark stuff

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So listing off dark stuff isn't points for you

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I'm saying that how those things feel is less, hopeless and downright horrifying

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In terms of feeling

proper crystal
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Your opinion is wrong because you're making claims that are based solely on "a feeling" while denying all evidence to the contrary and providing none of your own lmao
Is it possible that you have gotten older and therefore dont find these things as scary the first time like you did back in the day?

rain cave
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And if this whole conversation is because other people share my sentiment, then you can't say the feeling is wrong

cunning fossil
rain cave
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I'm not claiming anything

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As fact

plain violet
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Drustvar quests were downright horrifying.

rain cave
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I'm telling you how I feel, as well as evidently how others feel

plain violet
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I mean, there are dead childrens here too and others creepy feel...

rain cave
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There's something about the presentation

proper crystal
# rain cave I'm not claiming anything

WoW used to be fine showing human face skin used to make a tent
everyone gives examples of equally dark things in modern wow
"well sure, but that's different."
how?
"it's just a feeling."
?????

rain cave
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Yeah? It's a valid point

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Feeling is a big part of design

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Who cares if your film is a masterpiece if nobody feels that way

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Feeling shouldn't be overlooked

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Because it's the lens that stains the play experience

glad niche
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If you want to be angry or disgruntled over the updated player characters. Be so at the player base tbh. I remember the amount of outcry when pandaren were added. And how the vast majority of it had nothing to do with how they looked. Most were angry about how outdated they made the older races look.

So blizz made the announcement that they would be updating everything older then pandaren, the. Eventually the pandaren too.

The change started when players demanded older races be updated because they saw higher polygon pandabears.

rain cave
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Who said I was angry

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I like the new models

glad niche
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I also said disgruntled

rain cave
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I'm neither

glad niche
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Your messages here imply the opposite

rain cave
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I prefer the new models over the old ones drastically

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How

proper crystal
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Well, yes. It's valid to say it feels different, more friendly and lively. I would say that's an objective improvement. You may wish it had kept its gritty feel. That's valid.

It's not valid to suggest that the horror has been toned down in recent years, that simply is not true.

rain cave
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I'm just saying there's been an artstyle and overall change in tone

glad niche
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We can circle back to the orc smile thing earlier

rain cave
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I think a good comparison here might be Tom and jerry

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Early episodes Tom was animated and sound designed more like an actual cat

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People didn't like it, sounded like a cat being abused

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Made him more human, both design and sound

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Same actions now take a different feel

glad niche
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100% the artstyle and overall look has changed. They have simply moved the spook factors to content further afield then the woods outside stormwind.

We're talking about a game that now allows parents to link their accounts to ones ment for their children to play. Because the game now has multi generational families playing together. Which blizzard in part has capitalized on.

rain cave
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I think that's probably part of why the horror feels less

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We are aware of it in a meta context

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We see the drust as just levelling fodder, the next baddy in the line

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They don't feel particularly horrifying because if how ever-present they are too

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The face tent, wasn't a big thing it just was. A reality of the world

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Like seeing roadkill on the side of the highway

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It's gnarly

proper crystal
glad niche
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I do think "less" is incorrect. That's why I said they moved it further afield. That pig man boss for example? I'm glad it's a dungeon boss and later in the game. I was very unnerved and uncomfortable fighting it.

proper crystal
rain cave
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Well that's just your weird thresholds I guess

rain cave
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Dead animal

proper crystal
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Maybe I'm out-of-touch, being into vulture culture lmao

rain cave
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You eat roadkill?

proper crystal
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No, I make jewelry with their bones

rain cave
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Hahahahaha

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Lmaoooo

glad niche
# rain cave Well that's just your weird thresholds I guess

See. This. Instead of accepting different people find different things creepy. You deflect someone confirming content you find bland or normal, to in fact be creepy.

The take away here is that your opinion of what does or doesn't make for a gritty atmosphere does not hold for the rest of the player base.

rain cave
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Nah

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I'm saying I've never seen anyone say that pig boss is creepy

proper crystal
rain cave
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And fighting it didn't feel creepy

glad niche
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You have now. A few of us here.

rain cave
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And this discord is miles and bounds from the normal WoW demographic

proper crystal
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It's an embodiment of filth. It vomits on you, it's covered in lesions. It's Corruption personified. it's gross.

glad niche
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Our experiences in game are just as valid as yours tho.

rain cave
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Yeah but you can still acknowledge when your opinion isn't the norm

glad niche
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So can you.

rain cave
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I've done that many a time

proper crystal
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Everyone I've met on my server has been a kindred spirit, but okay 😂

rain cave
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That's your server

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Not this one

proper crystal
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The... server... I play on... in WoW....

rain cave
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Should have specified

proper crystal
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not Discord server lmao

glad niche
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We've been talking about in game stuff this entire time.

proper crystal
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🤦

rain cave
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Yeah but on discord

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As well as about opinions

proper crystal
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Why would I have meant discord when we're talking about the WoW playerbase? but ok

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smh

rain cave
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Because people don't usually define who they interact with based on server in WoW

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Considering cross server communication and grouping has been around for a while

proper crystal
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context: i play on an RP realm. we don't have a lot of cross-server interaction, no.

rain cave
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Lmao

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Explains itself then I guess

glad niche
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Anyways. There's a lot of trollish deflecting happening right now.

harsh mason
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What kind of nostalgic nonsense was there? If for you the severed heads of dragons from DF are not equivalent to tents made of leather, then my condolences

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rain cave
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I stg people aren't getting it

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It's not about the raw content

proper crystal
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No, no one is "getting it." We all seem to disagree with you.

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Funny, that.

rain cave
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Because this channel is a narrow demographic

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And I'm out of place in that denographic

proper crystal
rain cave
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Broski you can't claim to be the popular voice of WoW when you harvest roadkill and roleplay

harsh mason
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Nostalgia is evil, it always shows everything in the best light. And if I say that severed dragon heads are 100 times better at conveying cruelty than a tent made of leather, what are your arguments against?

proper crystal
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Yup, a narrow demographic of people who... Enjoy World of Warcraft and aren't looking for things to be upset about.

proper crystal
rain cave
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Not really

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Because I'm not using it against you in that way

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I'm just saying you're not the norm, and you should be aware of that

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Just like how I hate nier and ff14. But I'm aware people like it

proper crystal
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"you can't possibly have a normal opinion about this video game bc you harvest roadkill" is literally what you just said, dude.

harsh mason
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Are golems made of branches and people's souls something cruel? In the Maw(in SL), we literally walked on the ground, which stood out of the recycled souls of mortal races, and what?

rain cave
rain cave
glad niche
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You talked about orc facial expressions and tauren as well. I talked about animation quality differences between here and other games.

You spoke of the game losing it's gritty vibes. Lots of examples of the opposite have been given.

In both these cases you moved to your next talking point or jabbed at someone else's hobbies or interests instead of staying on the given topic.
That's deflection.

rain cave
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No?

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I've already given you my reasoning

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You keep throwing things at me that are irrelevant

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To keep it going

proper crystal
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Wow, you're stubborn. Can we all agree to block this guy already? Goodness gracious.

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What a wet blanket.

rain cave
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I'm stubborn yes but I'm not being unreasonable here

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Let's look at decapitation right

harsh mason
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Probably everyone here has already forgotten how the house of cadavers set up a death factory for Kyrian prisoners, killing them, processed their bodies into a single mass and made cadavers out of it

rain cave
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That's in kids cartoons and star wars man

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Doesn't mean those things are horrifying

proper crystal
# harsh mason Probably everyone here has already forgotten how the house of cadavers set up a ...

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Soulfused_Construct

Wowpedia
Soulfused Construct

The Soulfused Construct, later known as Unity, is an extremely powerful abomination made entirely of kyrian flesh, created by First Apprentice Malkrex and Sharrex the Fleshcrafter in the Flesh Stitchery in Maldraxxus. The construct is the culmination of Surgeon Stitchflesh's research and was intended to serve as the ultimate creation of the Hous...

rain cave
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Again this isn't about the raw content

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It's about how it feels, how it's presented

proper crystal
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No, no. It's how it made you feel, right?

plain violet
rain cave
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The kyrian aren't even flesh

harsh mason
proper crystal
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Nothing in modern WoW can compare to your nostalgia.

rain cave
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They're random blue cosmos people

plain violet
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The kyrians are flesh.

rain cave
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How they're sl beings

proper crystal
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Hell, the ground of Maldraxxus was flesh.

plain violet
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Litteraly the quests are talking about using FLESH.

harsh mason
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And they made cadavers out of them

languid yoke
rain cave
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I didn't think anything was made of flesh apart from maldraxxus stuff

harsh mason
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There it is described in the quest, they say they processed the bodies into porridge

languid yoke
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I remember the feelings I had the first time I played WoW back in early 2006 but playing classic made me realize that I can never feel that way for WoW again

plain violet
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... because SL is not a pure oniric realm and that flesh is not exclusive from the mortal realms.

rain cave
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Since kyrian look like ghosts

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Made of energy

languid yoke
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and it's not because things changed, it's because I changed, I learned, I know the game more

rain cave
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Like elementals

languid yoke
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and people generally do bad with change

harsh mason
proper crystal
# rain cave Made of energy

LOL no, they're not. Again, https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Soulfused_Construct <- a construct made of their flesh.

Wowpedia
Soulfused Construct

The Soulfused Construct, later known as Unity, is an extremely powerful abomination made entirely of kyrian flesh, created by First Apprentice Malkrex and Sharrex the Fleshcrafter in the Flesh Stitchery in Maldraxxus. The construct is the culmination of Surgeon Stitchflesh's research and was intended to serve as the ultimate creation of the Hous...

rain cave
plain violet
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Read the quests.

harsh mason
proper crystal
rain cave
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I like the new direction

proper crystal
rain cave
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I just said that I thought they were before you said otherwise

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Yeesh

proper crystal
rain cave
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Yes and so am i

harsh mason
rain cave
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I mean I know maldraxxus is dark but it didn't seem horrifying to me

proper crystal
rain cave
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But I'm aware my perspective on this is skewed

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I was playing WoW and left 4 dead at 8 years old lmao

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So it's rare to see something scary now

glad niche
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I remember seeing something about how DF story is going to be a lot more meaty in the text form. Reading the full text blurb on quests and such to get the full story.

Something to keep in mind going forward.

rain cave
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I do get a kick out of those weird exposed nerve monsters though

proper crystal
harsh mason
rain cave
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But I'm not stating I prefer the old days and want to go back to it. I'm saying there's a definite change in presentation and feel that has removed some of that raw grit

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And it's hard to put my finger on it

proper crystal
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and the lil steward with his tongue cut out dracthyr_cry_animated

rain cave
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I think it's because of stakes

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At this point who cares if a tongue is cut out

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Just heal it with magic idk

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You're a magic being surely you can reform

glad niche
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The more y'all remind me of maldraxus stuff I blocked out, the less I want my skellygoat mount

harsh mason
rain cave
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Illidan had his eyes burned out

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Would you call him gritty?

glad niche
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Yes

proper crystal
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.....Yes??

rain cave
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Or a smug mischievous chas

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Chad

proper crystal
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He's sacrificed everything! What have you given?

glad niche
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He killed a Naru because it wanted to wipe away his scars. What made him the person he'd grown to be at that point.

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Hims very gritty

rain cave
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Illidan is just prime meme material

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He's not particularly serious

proper crystal
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You can be a huge meme and also be an emo badass, just look at Zuko

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haha

glad niche
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I'd be a little batty too after everything he's experienced

rain cave
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But yeah illidan ripping a fat hole in the sky to argus without telling anyone then going "lol guess we have to now haha"

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Or mocking velen for being a prophet who couldn't see something coming

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I think illidan is the funniest character we've had front and center

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Bolvar just mopes

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Kadghar is close maybe equal

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Magni is.. magni

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I'm looking forward to seeing how important chromie is

glad niche
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I liked the previews for the new hub city

rain cave
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Since she's a joy to be around

glad niche
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The updated centaur lizards look great too

rain cave
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Those guys a weird

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Why are they made that way

glad niche
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I like them. Do hope they have a new run animation

rain cave
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What function does their taur body provide

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Some of them even have wings

glad niche
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They are mortals the dragons boopd with dragon mojo

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The visual outcome is kinda chaotic

rain cave
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Thought that was the draconids

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The bipedal ones

glad niche
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They both are draconids

rain cave
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So what are their specific names

glad niche
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I haven't asked any of them so idk.

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I'm sure there names will be above their heads tho. For those too awkward to ask.

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Jesting aside. Draconid is kinda an umbrella term.

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If it was once mortal and received the mojo boop, whatever it looks like after- it's still a draconid

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Iirc the body type may be varied depending upon what the mortal excelled at. The quadrupeds I think typically being casters. The big chunks typically being melee centric

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But I feel like I've seen the first wielding spears before so not fully sure

plain violet
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Yes, the quadrupeds, we have them tank, caster, healer, and DPS. :)

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But draconid is a hell of a mess, as a term...

glad niche
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As umbrella terms usually are

plain violet
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Yeah... can only but agree. ^^'

glad niche
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Just shake the wicca umbrella. Bet y'all didn't know Buddhism would fall out huh?

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(have friend that's Buddhist who informed me of this, please do not Googlefu to argue. This info came from someone it applies to)

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Lemme see if I can find the vid I watched recently about draconid

proper crystal
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you'll get to see plenty of her, thankfully. i love chromie <3

proper crystal
glad niche
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Speed

rain cave
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BTW I do want to apologise if I came off judgy and an ass earlier @proper crystal

proper crystal
rain cave
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😭

proper crystal
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being an rper got me an awesome spouse, so im still winning tho hehe

glad niche
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The Dracthyr don't have any vocal stuff in alpha, correct? Guessing I'd find as least one video of their dialogue

proper crystal
glad niche
#

Poots

rain cave
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I'm still all in for a New Zealand or aussie accent for the dracthyr

heavy lark
#

hi, will dual spec cost 1000 gold in wotlk? or it will get some cut in price?

rain cave
#

Since we're arriving in this brand new unexplored landmass with unique life

glad niche
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Aren't they north on the world map?

rain cave
#

What

glad niche
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The isles. Where the Dracthyr are. (Are they on the isles?)

rain cave
#

Yeah

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Forbidden reach is north of the dragon Isles

proper crystal
glad niche
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Not that it makes a difference mind you. I'd def find it hilarious if the isles are on some southern far flung patch and then Aussie Dracthyr

rain cave
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Isles are right of northrend I think

glad niche
#

Think of the theories that would come about based on other race locations

rain cave
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But I just think it would work well since we haven't had an aussie or kiwi accent yet

glad niche
#

Now I have to sit and map out what's where cause I'm bad at geology

rain cave
#

And they represent this kind of weird new world

glad niche
#

Geography?

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The map one

proper crystal
rain cave
#

And I don't want to imagine they'll just have normal edgy voices or something

proper crystal
#

it's speculated that exiles reach might be attached

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glad niche
#

Worgen got their own voices so

rain cave
#

I mean accent wise

glad niche
#

Yeah. Same.

rain cave
#

I think dracthyr deserve a bright new voice

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To let them stick out as a people

glad niche
#

Their human forms have voices distinct from non worgen humans

proper crystal
#

void elves got their own, too

glad niche
#

And DH

proper crystal
#

oh yeah! and DH!

glad niche
#

And nightborne

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Dracthyr will either have their own unique voices, or blizz wants to set themselves on fire ... Again.

It's really a toss up tbh

livid walrus
#

you cant class trial evoker just yet..

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glad niche
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Is that something they ment to be doable on the alpha? Isn't alpha already class trialing? XD

livid walrus
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hehe.

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i figured they wont be able to do class trial just yet

glad niche
#

Do you actually have to level on alpha? Or does it kinda flip flop your level depending on that you are doing?

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Like to alpha test a raid do you have to level up first or just get a 70 stamp on the forehead?

proper crystal
#

I believe 68 is the highest it goes at the moment

livid walrus
#

there is template depands on what they want to check

sharp loom
#

Christ I must say that I hate (IMO of course ) how the WoW community seems to be so prickly on both sides these days

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There's a whole load of shitting on you if you just simply dislike something from say an alpha, or art, or whatever by the "wholesome discords" etc. where they accuse you of surely getting all your content from r/wow

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Where you need to see the "good side" from stuff even though they literally don't know you love a lot of stuff already and just can't believe criticism =/= r/wow rants

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And the other side we all know since this is one of those more wholesome discords anyway

opaque pewter
#

Most of the time it's because of how badly the opinion is conveyed though

sharp loom
#

R/wow just preemptively calling everything shit

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Etc.

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Or just plays a game they should leave for a month or two

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But I am getting surprisingly more prickled by WoW fans who want to see the good so bad that they just seem super passive agressive

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and treat you like some "r/wow trash" or whatever

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Like it tbh needs to calm down on both sides lol

opaque pewter
#

I was just saying what I said earlier since you have a reputation of conveying your opinion as a statement. This tends to rile people up, and it's not really a particular community "issue"

sharp loom
#

I think it is, lol

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In what world have we been living that something being awful (to someone) is somehow given as a fact by that person

opaque pewter
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In most world

sharp loom
#

this is what I keep saying in these "wholesome" (attributed by me) communities too

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This has always been a thing

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Is calling something awful now not an opinion?

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Of course it is, what is the provocation or riling up in calling something awful by someone

opaque pewter
#

"I think it's awful" is the way people say these things in the circles I visit

sharp loom
#

Here is where I assume people just want to look down on you because they can than actually treat you as an opinion that is

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Everyone has the right to one. Y'know

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And some people treat it like you are a PoS for saying X

opaque pewter
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Yes as long as you frame it like so

sharp loom
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That I'm a PoS?

sharp loom
#

I mean everywhere you need to be really sensitive that the pro-WoW or anti-WoW people don't treat you as trash

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It's just tiring

opaque pewter
#

I'm not going to dance around any further. But try changing your way you write. You may be surprised how that will change how people communicate with you. Or don't, really. It's up to you.
Say that something is sh** in any community and you'll get backlash. Simple really

upper pasture
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so you're basically getting mad people have different opinions than you? not everyone is going to treat you with respect or kindly that's just how the internet works

sharp loom
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🤦‍♂️ lol

upper pasture
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frankly who cares what some internet people have to say about how you feel about something?

sharp loom
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No it's not okay to be like that for disagreeing, you don't agree?

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I literally do not care about them disagreeing with me, it's more how both sides of the community keep doing it to people

sharp loom
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I mean it's obviously extreme what I said but your logic is flawed

upper pasture
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then why would you want to be there?

sharp loom
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Exactly what I am asking overall, both sides are becoming icky

upper pasture
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usually if i don't enjoy being somewhere i'd leave and if somewhere/some people who at least agree with me on somethings

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not ask everyone there to change their views

sharp loom
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You really missed the point huh

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Yeah I just typed that because I'm angry not everyone agrees with me, mhm

upper pasture
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you're literally complaining about internet people being high nosed and rude to people who don't agree with them and you think they should change because you think its bad

sharp loom
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Wasn't talking about how this community just splits into two halves and has kind of a disdain for both sides or anything

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The community is getting prickly on just prejudices that you must hate a game or simp for blizzard

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I just touched on that

sharp loom
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Most communities have them

upper pasture
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and i'm telling you that that's not how the internet works. people are going to be as rude and "prickly" as they want to be because its the internet.

sharp loom
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Because it's you know, nice to have

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Ok thank you for your contribution

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Lol

upper pasture
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and if the mods aren't enforcing them then that's on the mods too

sharp loom
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Let's keep harassment to women in M+ silent too because that's just how people are

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Let's not talk about a thing I'm a witness of

upper pasture
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yeah, okay mate have fun

upper pasture
sharp loom
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Sigh

upper pasture
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but that's my experience

sharp loom
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I've seen some women share stories about how they join a voice channel for high end content they get completely trashed upon

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But that's just pricks being pricks bro why are you talking about it

upper pasture
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shit my old guild leader who've i've done a lot of my raiding with is a woman and she runs the shit out of the guild. she's amazing

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and those people will continue to alienate people until they have noone to play with

sharp loom
upper pasture
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or that, which would be best case then that's more of them together instead of in my groups

sharp loom
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But obviously you were not planning to contribute anything to what I said besides telling me I shouldn't talk about it, from the beginning
So I'm kind of lost why I went to answer so much

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Anyway even the "wholesome" side can remove some of its looking down on some people as a whole hater group, I'm witnessing an annoying divide

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that's all

glad niche
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PTR like to go off topic a lot huh.

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So, with dragon riding. Are all the drake's not available to poke around with now? ... I say all but I mean the showcased 4.

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I'm surprised I've not seen any vids going through all the given options yet, considering we've seen them all on wowhead now.

Well.. then again a lot of what's been shown is probably locked stuff I guess >~<

upper pasture
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yeah i think we haven't seen videos like that since they do still have to unlock some stuff

glad niche
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Booo.

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I'm dreading if parts I like are hard unlocks lol

upper pasture
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i suspect we will see all kinds of unlocks. some just normal leveling unlocks some WQs some pvp stuff and some raid/mythic+ unlocks

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hell we know some will be just found in the world too for the most part

glad niche
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I c I c

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I'm hopeful there will be wowhead or otherwise, guides for them

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Well, I can probably safely assume there will be. Never know for certain tho.

upper pasture
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yeah, it's a safe bet that there will be a guide when the time comes

glad niche
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NGL. Im still hoping Dracthyr eventually get optional base flight.

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I'd be perfectly fine with 310% on Dracthyr if it means I have the option to afk flap to places

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The alpha feedback forum still static silence from blue posts?

plain violet
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Base flight for dracthyr as a racial flight form would be amazing too.

glad niche
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That's what I mean pretty much.

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Getting a dragon race with wings. Can't even fly at will.

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If it's not druids with their birds, it doesn't get to have built in flight tho. :(

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We could get a playable dread raven and they would still find some BS excuse not to let it 310 fly =~=

rain cave
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I'm wondering what I should boost with the df one

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it's between warlock and rogue really

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maybe paladin

glad niche
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I boosted a hunter on new server before bf moved our guild to said server

plain violet
rain cave
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bruh zandalari females stealth animation is so muted compared to others

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glad niche
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Dracthyr have normal flight animations in the dressing room alone.

Flywalk / flyrun.

Neither are used while soaring so like ?????

Why y'all animate it and not let us use it???

C

rain cave
glad niche
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Their body does a full horizontal to the ground

rain cave
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with the run animation or both

plain violet
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Not even..

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And hovering also have a different animation.

plain violet
glad niche
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Idk which move zephyr is but if it's the hover off the ground, no. They are still up right.
If that's the strafe, also no, they still glide there

rain cave
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yeah but zephyr has an animation where they tilt forward

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to speed forward for a burst

glad niche
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They don't flap like a bird for that tho

rain cave
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they might

glad niche
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That's the one where they tuck their wings in yes?

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It's a different animation in the dressing room

rain cave
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I think there's one where they lie flat for a second and flap foward

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with a big gust

glad niche
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From watching bellulars play with them. The animations I'm talking about aren't used in soar mechanics or combat

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That's all I can really say since I don't have hands on access myself to scrutinize the animations

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And watching any winged thing fly. Mounts or druids. They all use a mix of flyrun and a glide

Flyrun being the forward momentum with regular placed flapping. Which switches at semi random intervals with a glide. Then for mid air hover, they have one that looks combat ready with no weapons out as well as a more neutral hover that's relaxed.

The second would easily function as the stationary mid air hover.

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Basically, they have all the building blocks required for core flight

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I have a hypothesis that MAYBE it's a level 70 ability. Which would explain why it's not seen on alpha, which apparently caps at 68(?)

But that would mean nothing above 68 is visible when looking in the skill book on alpha, which I've no clue if that does or doesn't function atm

pulsar minnow
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Dracthyr have normal flying animations

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Along with AdvFlying animations (Soar/Dragonriding)

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And then they have the DracHover animations

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The big gust is also its own animation

glad niche
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Yeah. So I'm not crazy then. They legit gave Dracthyr normal flight animations. And no normal flight allowance

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I'm a big nerd for self flight in games so I spend a lot of time tearing animations apart. (Like knowing the intervals between flaps and glides is semi random because I used to actually sit and count the wing beats vs how long glides lasted)

pulsar minnow
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FlyRun is pretty similar to AdvForwardGlide but has flapping intervals thrown in

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This one above is the Hover Dash animation. It's very fast

glad niche
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Mhmm. That would be the animation used for a core flight. Wowhead (on my end) does this weird little speed up hitch at the end of every animation. But in game it would be a seamless repeated wingflap. Which would seamlessly transition to the glide variant

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The first one

pulsar minnow
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yeah it's like 3 or so flaps then a glide

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It really just acts like normal dragon mounts

glad niche
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Yup yup. So they MADE core flight animations. But we don't get to have core flight :c

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Not ATM anyways

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Can't speak for later. Just the current set up isn't promising

pulsar minnow
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I really wish they'd add normal flying for Dracthyr along with complete dragonriding on the Isles

glad niche
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Same!!

pulsar minnow
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I love the Highland Drake and will definitely customize that guy to the extreme but I would still like to see my Dracthyr take flight himself from time to time

glad niche
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Soar just feels like a gimmick that will be (for some, already is) tossed aside cause everything else is better

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Same same

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I don't really like the still image options for the highland, but I like a lot of the Protos options

pulsar minnow
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It seems to me like Blizz is just very scared about Dragonriding not being received well by facets of the playerbase that they don't want to overcommit now.

glad niche
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I just want Dracthyr to have core flight ability. Let me cruise to old raids as a dragon person!!!

pulsar minnow
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So they're trying to keep it contained to the Dragon Isles for now until we're further along in the expansion when they can get a good idea if the system will ever get stale and become annoying to deal with

pulsar minnow
glad niche
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Depending on the zone, DR will have a tough time on some old continent masses.

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Some places are so dummy flat, maintaining air will prove (for some) too much of a hassle

pulsar minnow
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With vigor regen during flight and 6 vigor points I think it'll work perfectly

glad niche
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True. Would rely on maxing out the system but yeah

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I don't feel like they WOULD, but it being blizz. I've got a small small nibbling worry of "what if they eventually replace core flight with DR"

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I don't want that. I like my slowmo casual cruises

pulsar minnow
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I don't think they will after thinking about it some more

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Old flight is very easy at the expense of speed

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Dragonriding is very fast at the expense of more engagement

glad niche
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! Idea!!! Everything has a class or race mount now yes?? What if Dracthyr "mount" is their flight permit?? XD

pulsar minnow
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That's what it should be!

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They still don't have a racial/class mount. I wouldn't consider soar a mount either since its a 5 minute CD

glad niche
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Like, canonically. Alliance at least are all "spooky dragon! No sudden moves!"

Eventually everyone gets used to them and they can safely fly around without being mistaken for a murder hornet.

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Orgrimar idk. We could maybe play up the dummy number of wyvern riders coasting around everywhere and the worry of Dracthyr bopping into them or something

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Considering horde so chill with "odd looking" people

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They wouldn't really have the spook factor going so much as "don't fly into our defense units dumbass!"

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Please blizz. orz I know they aren't magically watching this chat but please! Let me dragon fly!!!

livid walrus
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this is living world i think .

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upper pasture
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did they say the living world stuff is the whole birds fly away when you get close but return when you leave the area?

jade basalt
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Yeah

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Well, that's just one specific example of living world

plain violet
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Interesting...

lean yew
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@dense plover hopefully this doesn’t end up trolling you but I saw someone get a df alpha flag today on their bnet

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It’s possible it was from earlier this week

dense plover
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ill check

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but also did you see the hunter update

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this fucking line

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"There is a new, potentially placeholder, not implemented, not final, not a promise talent added in the core tree. Sentinel Owl.

Sentinel Owl grants you unhindered vision of a targeted area, allowing your attacks to ignore line of sight to the area."
harsh wedge
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Certainly from earlier this week and only saw it now / got the mail today

dense plover
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so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

harsh wedge
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ah maybe then

dense plover
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still nothing tho

lean yew
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F

harsh wedge
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Don't forget the part of the other talent that gives it to allies too for sentinel owl

lean yew
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Can we get the hunter dev for demon hunters?

upper pasture
lean yew
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Jk I like our dh dev I just wish we’d get our talents not last

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But it’ll be last

dense plover
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no damage boost

upper pasture
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Yeah

harsh wedge
upper pasture
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I mean I like that los mechanic

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It’s neat

harsh wedge
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I hope they keep the part where you see the whole model through the wall

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Last boss of Mechagon Workshop got some nice legs in the mech with resonant arrow

plain violet
lean yew
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Wtb dh talent trees

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Prob gonna be last

uncut vault
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My question is if the owl will be placeable out of line of sight, or if you need the target location first like resonant arrow

ember blaze
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hunters with yet more updates and feedback.

dense plover
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ill check again in a bit just to be sure

plain violet
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It seem, for now, a strange common point was that every of my friends main a night elf.

dense plover
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thats probably just a coincidence

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but yeah so far, nothing

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i dont think im gonna get into alpha tbh

plain violet
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Probably. I also got no alpha. :(

dense plover
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this is the first alpha im missing since bfa

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and if i dont get beta, itll be the first beta ive missed since wod

livid walrus
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https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-mages/371353/7

World of Warcraft Forums
Feedback: Mages

Another interesting change would be split the middle capstone into 2 this way you still can only take 2 capstones but now you have the possibility to take those 2 at the same time. Having Wildfire being the only node under the Combustion Duration/Tempered Flames and then splitting in 2. Wildfire * ...

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this frozen orb situation confuses me

dense plover
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yeah they know there are lots of talents where the prereq stuff is wrong

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putting it on the forums is good but itll likely be fixed

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they talked a bunch about how a lot of classes have talents that need earlier prereqs but you can avoid the prereqs and they want to fix that

livid walrus
livid walrus
dense plover
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well i dont think pvp talents matter tbf

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those dont have prereqs, you can take those as you see fit

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also they really havent done a pass on pvp talents yet

livid walrus
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ah thanks

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i would like them have dynamic pvp talents depands on what you pick in the tree

dense plover
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yeah im pretty sure some classes have pvp talents that literally dont work because the base talent is gone

dense plover
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its much harder to hide and show different things

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can cause more issues than it solves

cunning fossil
dense plover
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read the new hunter changes

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theyre bringing back a modified version of the kyrian hunter stuff

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and making more talent changes

cunning fossil
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niiice

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also they looked at the MM tree and have shuffled around the lower left portion of it

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whihch means that they porobably flipped where the Ammos and Bombardment is

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Hunters are eating so fucking good this alpha dude

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I can see why other class mains are jealous

dense plover
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well hunter was in a terrible state