sorta like FFXIV
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
pulsar minnow
That sort of content cycle sounds really interesting if that is what they're doing. Just releasing stuff when it's ready and not packaged with anything else? I actually really like that lol.
cosmic beacon
jade basalt
"Titan Temple" subzone https://i.imgur.com/Aq4ZaBa.png
Found a refti (sethrak-looking titan-forged), his name is Zuttiki https://i.imgur.com/aG35jYp.png https://i.imgur.com/GxVEgBb.png https://i.imgur.com/mDOtFHb.png
"ten thousand years ago" https://i.imgur.com/rVhIbc0.png https://i.imgur.com/x6WvvxY.png https://i.imgur.com/IqRbNtF.png
So the refti were still active when the Dragon Isles went dormant
jade basalt
I think the second dialogue is actually supposed to belong to Mara
It looks like the refti are female https://i.imgur.com/PPD36Xr.png
dense plover
ok so elemental stuff is a big deal here
nice to have that threat back
hasnt really been present since cata
jade basalt
@lean yew Have you noticed a Black Dragon-themed area of Valdrakken? or is there not any?
ember blaze
i love this
jade basalt
look for the blacksmith trainer
Hmm the Blacktalon area?
jade basalt
Ah yeah, but I meant more like, an area for the black dragonflight itself, as there would've been one in the past. All the dragonflights seem to have an area except for the black flight?
dense plover
Ah yeah, but I meant more like, an area for the black dragonflight itself, as th...
its a question of whether neltharion ever bothered coming to valdrakken
he has the obsidian citadel or whatever
and neltharus
and its very neltharion to not participate in whatever everyone else is doing
especially if you are slowly losing your mind and want to keep stuff secret
jade basalt
Yeah but each flight has its 'capital', Ruby Life Pools, Temporal Flux, etc. But on top of that they each also have a little corner of Valdrakken
except the black flight which is missing
There are some black drakonid and dragonspawn, just no black area
@dense plover I'm high above this subzone and yet still completely dwarfed by the titan structures above https://gfycat.com/ZigzagBraveAsiaticmouflon
dense plover
except the black flight which is missing
2 options - as i suggested, neltharion decided to have his own area, he has 2, neltharus (equivalent to the other flight dungeons) and the sanctum/citadel
OR
whole cedar
has anyone found the dragonriding place?
dense plover
its underground
valdrakken has a deep underground system of rooms
that to my knowledge, arent accessible?
dense plover
i wish i could find the model of the capitol building
@pulsar minnow do you know the WMO for the valdrakken capitol building?
pulsar minnow
Not off the top of my head but I did find it at some point
I might go looking for it in a sec
jade basalt
Hmm maybe underground yeah
Thaldraszus is quite less finished than the other zones, lots of NPCs with placeholder titles like <(T1) Fighter>, or NPCs with ph names like "Unknown". But also most of the subzones are unfinished- no NPCs at all, or no quests, etc. Feels like there's going to be a lot more story in the zone, for now there's not much aside from the main storyline
dense plover
Thaldraszus is quite less finished than the other zones, lots of NPCs with place...
i dont think they want to tip their hand
jade basalt
Wtf this area is as big as Valddraken https://i.imgur.com/kwzfqlh.png https://i.imgur.com/NqHyHCC.png
dense plover
hmmm
ossuary is where they put bones
so idk
its not gonne be deathwing/neltharion's bones
or galakrond
pulsar minnow
@dense plover 14552.wmo is the Valdrakken main building
jade basalt
It's like some kind of city https://i.imgur.com/BwVVAoe.png
dense plover
<@117691857911152645> 14552.wmo is the Valdrakken main building
thank you
jade basalt
No NPCs at all
dense plover
weird
dense plover
<@117691857911152645> 14552.wmo is the Valdrakken main building
huh thats not the building with the tons of underground floors - what was?
jade basalt
Except these guys at the entrance where there's the flight path https://i.imgur.com/jkGRSCk.png
pulsar minnow
14279.wmo
dense plover
Except these guys at the entrance where there's the flight path https://i.imgur....
maybe theyre protecting something
idk what though
something that died
jade basalt
I kinda take it back, Thaldraszus is absolutely huge, but in a way you don't really expect. You go over some mountain and then suddenly there's a huge sprawling city or whatever. Then you look up and there's gigantic buildings yet above. Or even suspended in the air.
It's less spread out, uses much more elevation.
dense plover
yeah so i think deathwing/neltharion was doing stuff below tyrhold
or potentially just underground in a separate wmo
pulsar minnow
The floating islands to the north of Thaldraszus is Taz'ageth Academy a little south of that place though
jade basalt
The dungeon portal is Thaz'Ageth Academy https://i.imgur.com/yfcxg6V.png
Top island is called Veiled Ossuary
pulsar minnow
Huh okay
Is there anything there or just those Drakonids? Almost wonder if thats some endgame stuff
dense plover
The dungeon portal is Thaz'Ageth Academy https://i.imgur.com/yfcxg6V.png
tyrhold is freaking massive and tied to lava
jade basalt
Just those guys at the entrance
dense plover
also the black pit at the bottom implies theres more
dense plover
it is
glass flicker
Hogger be hoggin.
pulsar minnow
Oh thats awesome
glass flicker
Give him a hook, rename him to Roadhogger.
jade basalt
Taz'algeth Academy
Dungeon portal is all the way at the top of the tower
Those cities are so huge it's tough to capture them in full even in multiple screenshots, there's definitely more parts I'm not covering with my screens https://i.imgur.com/ZaJ8g4K.png https://i.imgur.com/RxOe7q0.png https://i.imgur.com/Ezy5hKz.png
There are a bunch of dracthyr student NPCs all around
And a few totally unfinished quests with no objectives and the quest descriptions are dev notes
ember blaze
what happened to the anticipated huge tree changes? 🤔
jade basalt
Holy cow, that was actually just one fraction of Taz'algeth. I got to the top of what I thought was the tallest tower and.. https://i.imgur.com/IbQHNe6.png
The view from up there
There's a camp for each flight
A few familiar faces! https://i.imgur.com/nx1cj1n.png https://i.imgur.com/pjtAwUs.png https://i.imgur.com/AGO0YJF.png
Also found the dragon with the Dr Strange-like cloak https://i.imgur.com/7o7yDlY.png https://i.imgur.com/auu33Hp.png https://i.imgur.com/IM2xUE0.png https://i.imgur.com/PgfF1vI.png
pulsar minnow
Ah so thats what that fancy Blue dragon was for
jade basalt
deep pawn
dense plover
Holy cow, that was actually just one fraction of Taz'algeth. I got to the top of...
so thats where oculeth and nola are
i wonder if this will be where you learn about the ancient waygates as well
this might end up being an endgame area you continue to come back to
sort of a side-hub
jade basalt
Hey you can customize all the mounts (that you have unlocked) now https://i.imgur.com/BTOCRkN.png
dense plover
nice
jade basalt
Honestly this may be the blackt flight area, I saw it as more of a Blacktalon area because it's so small and it's full of Wrathion's agents but, there's indeed a black flight flag. The color on the map is oddly yellow though, should be black or purple or something. https://i.imgur.com/OCfry6a.png
It's literally just these two buildings, one of the blacksmith trainer and the right one is training dummies https://i.imgur.com/B0bd1Ya.png
Can see the blue area in the back
dense plover
Honestly this may be the blackt flight area, I saw it as more of a Blacktalon ar...
i mean - when did neltharion lose his mind?
it was before the sundering right?
so its possible neltharion pulled out of valdrakken
its not like he ever got along much with the other flights in the first place
cunning fossil
MaximusPM said:
Please blizzard, please STOP STOP... I'm dying here. Seriously, I can't take this dumb system anymore.
PerkoP said:
What exactly is your issue? Do you want more borrowed power systems again instead of these talent trees?
Vsozonov said:
I know I do. I never had problems with borrowed powers, they kept the game interesting and fresh. As for these trees I guess they are an alright first draft, I've seen much worse. It's good that some new builds and playstyles will be possible and that we are getting new buttons to press.
livid walrus
every one can double jump in this build lol
uncut vault
did anyone else get permanently disarmed by the big Time Elemental quest?
livid walrus
well not everyone.. but some races can
rain cave
it's cool how you can make a thunderclap + rend build for fury
stomp and spread it
though it's probably better with tians grip since it scales off attack power
harsh wedge
Anyone having alpha and being in NA knows if the owls keep hooting during the day ? I am in EU and mainly play when it is night on alpha servers so I don't know if it just a night thing or always there
... And I just remembered it indeed is night in NA so not a lot of luck for me getting answers at this moment
uncut vault
these zone stories feel a lot shorter than most xpacs
the ending of thaldraszus is like
three quests lol
rain cave
these zone stories feel a lot shorter than most xpacs
perhaps levelling will be faster and focus less on a ton of tedious quests teling you to go from A to B and more about activities
and storylines
jade basalt
i mean - when did neltharion lose his mind?
It was essentially during the WotA. He had been hearing whispers for a while but he was still behaving like himself until the last minute essentially, in fact he was the most social and with a booming laugh.
harsh wedge
Am I being crazy or it's Grommash ? And not Saurfang?
harsh wedge
Should be named Mugrglscream then
harsh wedge
Was Anduin in Northrend ?
rain cave
don't think so
harsh wedge
So the other murloc could have been a Grommash variant since the timeline is not perfectly respected anyway
harsh wedge
Would fit better with the model and no need to create a new one just for saurfang
rain cave
So the other murloc could have been a Grommash variant since the timeline is not...
well if they're clearly saying it's a saurfang standin with the name..
saurfin is more like saurfang that hellscream
harsh wedge
Yeah but the model is clearly based on Hellscream
rain cave
because it's the only model of an orc style murloc they have
you telling me that murloc looks like anduin
jade basalt
So the other murloc could have been a Grommash variant since the timeline is not...
No, he's named Vrglrok Saurfin which stands for Varok Saurfang.
He just uses the Grom murloc model cause there's no other orc murloc model.
harsh wedge
Since the story is not perfectly the same, they can just call it Hellscream and not Saurfang
I know that
harsh wedge
I'm just saying, since the story is not the same, they can just sub one for the other
And the model will be correct then
Better than Saurfang being Grommash' model
rain cave
well maybe they have a reason for it be saurfang and anduin
like maybe the murloc version of azeroth doesn't even have a horde/alliance conflict and so saurfang would still be alive leading the horde
jade basalt
I feel 'that 1 model being correct' is much less important than the story. The story is essentially the same, but everyone is a murloc. Grom couldn't be here cause he died years ago against Mannoroth.
rain cave
as like a joke
about how murlocs can get along
but we can't
also by the same token
maybe saurfang has grom's axe
gorehowl
in this timeline
harsh wedge
But anduin wasn't there so the story is not that important
Was Baine even there at that moment?
rain cave
maybe they're just putting important named NPC's in who were allies
in murloc form
and if you eally want to stretch it then as I said
maybe there was no burning crusade expansion in this timeline
because murlocs opening dark portal lmao
so gorehowl wouldn't have a garrosh to belong to
saurfang murloc took it instead
🤷♂️
like realistically man it's because they didn't want to model a whole other model for saurfang murloc
same with the anduin one
they are just using the closest analogous model
harsh wedge
Still feels weird but I see
I might be a bit nitpicky about it because that'd require changing the whole zone, but if everything is a murloc here, and we can clearly see dragons are too (Deathwing is one), the normal dragon skeletons around the zone are kinda out of place
rain cave
is literally everything a murloc
or are there other beings
like beasts
elementals
because deathwing could be in visage form
harsh wedge
Every single NPC in the zone is a murloc, even our own variant
The plane pilots are murlocs too
harsh wedge
We are teleported if we go too far and places where there should be beasts in the normal zone are empty (or too far too see)
And normal murlocs for us are murlocs here too, Sir Finley Mrrgglton is in the battle as a murloc (would have been funny to see him as a human or something, like they swapped)
lean yew
Our plane pilot is Amelia earhart but murloc at the end of it lmao
livid walrus
i died during the black empire time... and i cant get there again
livid walrus
alive
last seen in legion
there is a party here
LOL
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livid walrus
livid walrus
is this renown with one of the factions?
nope
rain cave
what is this then
livid walrus
npc over here
rain cave
yeah but what is all this for
livid walrus
so many things
livid walrus
yeah but what is all this for
it seems you can get acompany with abeast to hunt with you
i give up wont post each spell
@rain cave this npc
but i think is is a subzone restricted
dense plover
oh cool
this is the hunt stuff
afaik its an endgame activity
it appears in different zones
its multistep
the two things you can have join you have some talents and color customization
they each have different abilities
livid walrus
you can learn things/select things on level 69 atm.
rain cave
they really are taking notes from gw2 then eh
dense plover
and then the talents are universal but do different things for the different pets
rain cave
this is like their mastery systems and zone activities
lean yew
there seems to be a major endgame "activity" for each of the reps
worn crown
Two (silly, maybe) questions for those in alpha: Can dragonriding mounts be used in the old world as normal flying mounts? Just out of curiosity! 😛
And in the Dragon Isles, can the DR mounts be used as normal ground mounts while they are out of vigor?
dense plover
And in the Dragon Isles, can the DR mounts be used as normal ground mounts while...
yes for this one
pretty sure no for the first one but im not sure
uncut vault
They cant be used outside of the dragon isles at all, sadly
uncut vault
you just get a "you are in the wrong zone" message
it's weird because they seem designed for it
they have to manually recharge vigor when mounting, seems like it could be done where that vigor only charges back up on the dragon isles
but that would make them ground mounts only
dense plover
they might end up usable outside of the isles eventually
but theyre still a very new thing
livid walrus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/781339646466195467/1004632768854097930/unknown.png?width=657&height=468 you seen it?
dense plover
i believe that thing is also going to host story summary/zone summary stuff
it will likely also be where the renown-reps are tracked
cunning fossil
I didn't even read that Bombardment has basically killed MMs 2 Target issue
THis means that Marksmanship hunters are not gonna complain too much more right?..Right??
harsh wedge
@rain cave
cunning fossil
Sorry forgot to link it
rain cave
Interesting
cunning fossil
but seriously though this should basically mean that MM hunter "issues" with two targets should be a dead topic
cunning fossil
because honestlly I understand the idea that "Hey, You're not supposed to be able to cleave that well. You're supposed to be really good at single target."
And I agree with it
I would say that they can lower it to 2 Arcane/CHimaera shots
because let's be real
if you're taking this talent, you have Chimaera shot 100% because this talent is only useful in 2 target fights
I.E, where Trick shots would never naturally trigger since it has the condition of 3 or more targets
harsh wedge
Forgot it was a two pointer talents so it will be every 4 arcane shots
But still feels high
cunning fossil
I mean, that's not exactly unreasonable
the only "issue" would be at the start of fights
like I assume the rotation would be "USing my own build idea for this."
harsh wedge
I've seen people saying that they should swap Bombardment (the one up) with the Heavy/Light Ammo because bombardment is kind of niche
Especially since Bombardment opens up for the explosive shot on multishot and are kinda opposite of each other
cunning fossil
That is fair enough yeah I can't argue with that too much
Heavy Ammo may be niche but Light Ammo definitely isn't
harsh wedge
yes
cunning fossil
hold on let me make a 2 target MM build really quid
cunning fossil
yes
This is what I could come up with
Use volley to start off the fight so you can start feeding into cleave immediately, and then the Chimaera shots will be able to tkae you from there.
cunning fossil
and since you're casting CHimaera shot a lot, you'll be more than likely to reduce Rapid fire CD by 5 seconds reliably to make it 15 on average
harsh wedge
Maybe the problem is that it is in the third section of the tree ?
And that it opens up talents (Light Ammo, Salvo) that are more considered high targets aoe
And especially for Light Ammo where it is the only one that unlocks it, at least for Salvo you can go around, but you'll have to spend 2 more talents points for it
cunning fossil
PErsonally I don't see it as an issue. it's not too far down as a last point talent that makes it frustrating to acquire, and at the same time it doesn't have enough talents after it to make it feel like a "must pick waste" of a tlent point
My only change would personally be to swap Bombardment with the Ammo choices
After that, it is honestly one of the best trees I've seen for a pure DPS class
harsh wedge
Indeed just that change would be perfect
cunning fossil
pretty much. ANd if they don't and have the justification that MM isn't supposed to be that good in 2 target, I will accept that
uncut vault
I've seen people saying that they should swap Bombardment (the one up) with the ...
honestly if anything it might be worth moving to a totally different place on the tree, since it's not really a talent you'd need if you're speccing fully into multishot, trick shots, volley, etc.
it feels like its intended as complimentary to the full aimed shot build, but it's currently over on the side of the tree that has a ton of AoE talents anyways
harsh wedge
It could also work by putting it next to Chimera Shot on the top right
Like a dependency of it, not opening anything else
cunning fossil
It could also work by putting it next to Chimera Shot on the top right
Makes the tree a bit top heavy IMO and it sort of doesn't fit if it were to go on that side of the tree IMO.
And also. What do you replace Bombardment with on that part of the tree? It'd be too easy to get tier 3 tablets otherwise I think
livid walrus
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pulsar minnow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781339646466195467/1004750627806658590/un...
Final boss!
crystal pond
Wrathion 2.0
dense plover
huh
so the giant mantis are on the isles
i figured those were for the grand time adventure stuff
also in hindsight, im willing to bet that the bronze shrine building is going to be the final raid entrance assuming murozond is the final boss
which is why its so detailed even though its empty
subtle oar
Still hoping Galakrond is the final boss
dense plover
if galakrond comes back, it would be the 2nd to last or a phase of murozond
glass flicker
I see it, tbh. The Necrotic Dragonflight.
dense plover
well he wouldnt be rezzed
remember, infinite flight is time
so either the phase would be in the past
maybe us assisting the proto drakes in the past to stop murozond interfering?
or it would be galakrond brought forward or in a timeline where he won
rain cave
idk I feel like murozond isn't as grand of a fight as people think
glass flicker
He doesn't have to be ressed to be a necrotic dragon.
rain cave
unless they got creative af with the raid as a whole
dense plover
i think youre fully wrong
glass flicker
He already infected other protodrakes with undeath by default.
rain cave
He doesn't have to be ressed to be a necrotic dragon.
I mean I've mentioned before how the primal incarnates represent the different elements and spirit is an element, which we haven't seen a incarnate for sooo
dense plover
a murozond fight isnt about fighting murozond
rain cave
spirit is the element associated with life/death
dense plover
its about stopping him from interfering in the timeways
rain cave
closest to death on the cosmological chart
dense plover
He already infected other protodrakes with undeath by default.
wut? when?
glass flicker
You didn't read Dawn of the Aspects?
rain cave
but I reckon they could flavour him as the "primal incarnate" of spirit
since spirit as an element is whacky on azeroth anyway
glass flicker
I think Necrotic Dragonflight.
rain cave
it's why the other elements were out ofcontrol
dense plover
found it
"as a by-product of his absorption of the proto-dragons' life essence his victims came back as undead, called the not-living."
dense plover
but yeah if galakrond is present he isnt going to be the bad guy
rain cave
and it might confuse people with shadowlands
unless their intent is to call back to shadowlands
dense plover
they said we would know the bad guy by the end of the first raid
rain cave
well yeah
dense plover
its almost definitely murozond
glass flicker
But how would they make Murozond stronger than in End Time?
rain cave
at most you can say a 50% odds of any particular person being the final boss
dense plover
But how would they make Murozond stronger than in End Time?
well firstly, he would have the infinite flight on his side
rain cave
But how would they make Murozond stronger than in End Time?
new murozond
dense plover
secondly end time is just one timeline
dense plover
and end time never ended up actually happening
rain cave
not an aged old one
not to mention that in end time we needed nozdormu's help
and the hourglass
whereas in a fight with him now
we wouldn't have that..
dense plover
and again, murozond knows the timeways better than anyone, so he can find allies throughout time
rain cave
council of guldans
glass flicker
So it'd be a "fully unleashed" kind of thing like we had with N'zoth?
rain cave
I'm still pitching that idea
dense plover
that, and the changes he could make in the past are what make him dangerous
rain cave
whenever I can
dense plover
So it'd be a "fully unleashed" kind of thing like we had with N'zoth?
it might even be more than that
rain cave
but I don't think murozond is the final boss
dense plover
the murozond we fight could be from 2000 years in the future
rain cave
he's not really... iconic enough
glass flicker
I don't see it.
dense plover
he could be super knowledgable
dense plover
he's not really... iconic enough
youre joking right? he has been a present threat in the lore for nearly as long as sargeras
rain cave
but I feel like they won't really fit as prime story material unless they're a setup for something else
rain cave
youre joking right? he has been a present threat in the lore for nearly as long ...
that's not true at all
dense plover
he literally goes back to vanilla wow
rain cave
sargeras has been in the lore since the beginning, but technically since WC3
glass flicker
I believe Alexstasza will be the end boss, following the defeat of Murozond. She just goes crazy after seeing the original Aspects gone and deduces that the mortals are the cause.
rain cave
whereas murozond was only really introduced in BC right?
no I reckon galakrond or some other force will be the end boss
dense plover
its also the fact that murozond's birth is the shattering of the timeways
rain cave
doesn't have to be a dragon remember
dense plover
it jeopardizes azeroth
it isnt just him but his existence
his birth is a bad thing
rain cave
I could see something happening BECAUSE of the end boss that causes the timeways to split
even if he isn't murozond
glass flicker
I kind of feel bad for Razsageth. Nobody cares about him.
rain cave
like how in WoD gul'dan gets lasered into our timeline by archimonde
glass flicker
The end boss of the first raid.
rain cave
maybe the end boss fucks something up and spawns murozond
completing the loop
and we don't even fight murozond at that point since we already did back in cata
plain violet
I remembered a funny thing.
rain cave
I kind of feel bad for Razsageth. Nobody cares about him.
think it's a lady dragon uwu
and tbf we haven't played alpha yet
and it's not complete
maybe we will care
glass flicker
Nobody cares so far.
plain violet
The purple proto-drake from WOTLK has, as a description, a "I wonder if things would have turned different if the titans elevated one more flight"
rain cave
but I don't think murozond is "final boss of expansion" material
plain violet
Considering the purple dragon asset paint, that's funny.
rain cave
The purple proto-drake from WOTLK has, as a description, a "I wonder if things w...
I mean there are purple dragons in some of the art
plain violet
That's why. :)
rain cave
but no necrotic flight
glass flicker
Denathrius was end boss material tbh. And everyone was gushing over him with the Afterlives short.
rain cave
I'm betting it will be brigning in the twilight flight or whatever they're called
plain violet
There were, at WOTLK, not purple dragon, but a purple proto dragon, and Ysera ask, in the descrption the mount, what would have been IF the titans elevated one more than flight than juste 5.
rain cave
the alliance have void elves
plain violet
So I wonder if the purple dragon paint we see in the datamined assets, is a nod to this.
rain cave
I reckon dragons can realize that void corrupted creatures aren't pure evil
since I imagine a lot of those void dragons
were corrupted in egg
against their will
glass flicker
Well...
rain cave
they could be brought in to the black dragonflight potentially, to help repopulate as well as provide their expertise on standing against void threats
glass flicker
Wrathion does confirm that dragons are conscious even in their egg.
rain cave
doesn't mean they weren't void corrupted against their will
plain violet
For now, we only have the mount that is purified.
glass flicker
True.
plain violet
Void corruption just make you insane.
plain violet
So unless they find a way to to purify them.. (like the mount)
rain cave
no you don't need to purify them
plain violet
Euh.
rain cave
void elves exist
plain violet
The void elves are a exception, you know, for a reason.
glass flicker
I wonder what happened to Naelie. Nobody remembers the Black Dragon in Wyrmrest.
rain cave
why would the dragons be raving mad
plain violet
I mean their whole description, questline..
rain cave
none of the other twilight dragons we've seen 'void corrupted' were raving mad
plain violet
There were mad, serving the old gods, and shadow priest are not corrupted. :/
rain cave
they literally turn into pure voidform and sprout tentacles
plain violet
Wieldwing void =/= being corrupted yet.
At Legion, Xal'Atath attempt to corrupt us, constantly.
glass flicker
Yeah, but consider that Anduin is a discipline priest.
plain violet
Shadowmoon orcs could wield void and became corrupted with time.
glass flicker
He uses shadow magic multiple times.
rain cave
Yeah, but consider that Anduin is a discipline priest.
he will be
glass flicker
Nah, he is.
glass flicker
He used a fear spell as well.
plain violet
We know from Legion also that Alleria was the first to really resist.
rain cave
get rid of anduins armour pplz
plain violet
(after her infusion)
rain cave
was she thoughhh
plain violet
It's a daily battle, as she say. :)
glass flicker
Fix Anduin's model pls.
plain violet
The void is a daily problem, you're not just "oh fine now"
glass flicker
He looks so much better in the cinematics than in game. Look how long his nose is.
plain violet
Every day, every moment, you can succumb and become a enemy.
rain cave
which is why I think the black dragonflight will take the twilight dragons in
because they'll want to help them
glass flicker
And then look at the Old Soldier cinematics. He has such a baby face.
plain violet
We will see, the statut of the current twilight flight is...
rain cave
And then look at the Old Soldier cinematics. He has such a baby face.
in CGI he has a round face, ingame cinematics he looks like tales of monkey island protagonist
plain violet
Not that good.
rain cave
I mean they've teased sinestra might be around
she could always have a large clutch
xalatath is lurking, too
glass flicker
I agree.
rain cave
bruh
glass flicker
Lord Illidan knows your mum.
rain cave
it's the same picture
livid walrus
rain cave
Doof made it.
finally I can bring my doofenshmirtz impression out again
glass flicker
Oh no.
livid walrus
one of the quests in the questlines which starts in the cave there us buged 😦 reported it .
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/781339646466195467/1004835593185935451/unknown.png?width=638&height=468 she is on a lonely flying rock.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781339646466195467/1004836192405180456/unknown.png My CABBAGES !
subtle oar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781339646466195467/1004836192405180456/un...
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There we go
livid walrus
subtle oar
Feesh
livid walrus
dense plover
Does it hop all the time or only when you get close?
I’m curious if it’s living world or not
livid walrus
it is stuck in place. the area is in time anomaly. so it is live ;p but paused
you cant stay there for long. you get a ticking damage , when you about 10% you get teleport
the area is not done
there seems to be alot of npc missing still
stormdragons!
at my location here
stormshroud peak
cunning fossil
Sweeet
livid walrus
lvl 70s
pulsar minnow
stormdragons!
No way! That actually makes me so happy I've been curious what would happen to them in DF
glad niche
Wont lie, most of my excitement for DF strictly has to do with the assumably massive dragon hodgepodge
livid walrus
i am coming for you
glad niche
they did say earlier on there would be a lot of dragon politics. We'd hear from and see flights that were outliers not picked for aspects or something
i cant tell what thay is
that*
livid walrus
a flying dragon glyph for dragonriding talent
pulsar minnow
they did say earlier on there would be a lot of dragon politics. We'd hear from ...
I really do wonder if the Storm Drakes have some connection to Raszageth
livid walrus
I meant storm drakes * not dragons
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Storm_drake here if you want to read more
pulsar minnow
Yeah I read a lot into it
I mean I've loved the Storm Drakes since I first saw them in Legion. That entire expansion was my favorite.
plain violet
Storm drakes are cool.
There were even metallic proto dragons, before.
That could breathe liquid metal.
livid walrus
they could find nice home in isle of thunder
pulsar minnow
One interesting tidbit is that the Storm Drakes swore loyalty to Odyn weirdly enough
So they might actually have some disagreements with the main flights off that principle
Since, of course, Odyn was very much against the aspects
livid walrus
i still want to see him in this expansion
sharp loom
I was scared this expansion was going to be furry
Or disney stuff
But I like the dragons a lot whew
Not a fan of the furbolgs and gnolls :s but ok w/e
plain violet
That would be funny if Odyn has common grounds with the primalists.
"Yeah, we don't want you either!"
cunning fossil
I was scared this expansion was going to be furry
What is this supposed to even mean
Are you scared of "OwO" inch at.
Newsflash, Tauren have been in the game since vanilla
Disney stuff? Like did you expect it to be too cutesy or something? Do you want everyone to be covered in guts?
trail knot
tauren look so goofy
plain violet
The WoD rework was strange, let's say.
trail knot
night elf male wod rework 😂😂
uncut lintel
I was scared this expansion was going to be furry
gnoll allied race when
glad niche
Tauren, worgen, pandaren, vulpera. dont count as furry I guess ;p But the new SCALEY?? Now that's reason for furry panic. #logic
not to mention the non playable anthros like the sethrak or them spider dudes
which btw, id 100% play the spider dudes
Wall climbing racial perk
rain cave
I think it's because tauren were in WC3, minotaurs are a thing, werewolves are also a thing and worgen OG models were not furry bait looking at all (though their remodels did spawn some discussion, but because remodel it was less)
pandaren yeah I guess, but at the same time people were too caught up in the whole "oh it's the chinese market expansion :^)"
but also chen existed in WC3 as well
but the way dracthyr look compared to I guess what some of the community expectations were
since we've always seen big bulky serious dragons
and then it's like
pop
"I am the skinny lizard person with a cutesy dance and animated face"
glad niche
I mean tbh if you go back far enough, things like Nelfs were considered "furrybait" cause of the whole druid thing
plain violet
People are always panicking with all that is not "human". But yes, Nelf at the time too.
To be honest, skinny humanoid dragon are cool, there is a lot of wonderful artworks from this, or 80's old anime, where it was really common.
Hell, even Yu-Gi-Oh was full of skinny dragon.
sharp loom
Disney stuff? Like did you expect it to be too cutesy or something? Do you want ...
The Wow art has turned far too squeaky clean and friendly in some areas
rain cave
To be honest, skinny humanoid dragon are cool, there is a lot of wonderful artwo...
I don' remember anything in particular about skinny lizard men
from the 80's
sharp loom
The hogger model is the biggest sin they made regarding models
Plenty of dragons look pretty fucking scary so that's good
rain cave
I mean I think bellular or taliesin summed it up
which is that old WoW artstyle was very metal
because the people that made WoW were metalheads
sharp loom
Are you scared of "OwO" inch at.
Newsflash, Tauren have been in the game since ...
No purely being an animal doesn't mean OwO
rain cave
who liked that fantasy
sharp loom
Making tauren look like fursuits would be OwO
rain cave
whereas now it's diverted to a different developerbase and fantasy
sharp loom
whereas now it's diverted to a different developerbase and fantasy
Yes this
cunning fossil
The hogger model is the biggest sin they made regarding models
Do you mean the new models recently made?
I hope that you know the old.model.only.looked menacing because it was literally triangles on top of triangles
rain cave
Making tauren look like fursuits would be OwO
to be fair giving tauren flowers was OwO but in a good way
sharp loom
to be fair giving tauren flowers was OwO but in a good way
Eh it was cute
rain cave
Do you mean the new models recently made?
I hope that you know the old.model.on...
not really
sharp loom
Ye not really
plain violet
Taurens were always flower-lovers.
cunning fossil
??
sharp loom
They could make a lot of stuff a lot more rough
plain violet
I don' remember anything in particular about skinny lizard men
I will search that.
sharp loom
And then the furbolgs look rough but they look like standard bear creatures
plain violet
Dracthyrs can have really intimidating skins.
rain cave
the old models were in the same artstyle as the rest of that eras models, which included a tent made with human face skin
sharp loom
They literally do not look a lot like furbolgs
rain cave
gnolls used to make tents out of human face skin
plain violet
... They do?
sharp loom
And the furbolgs had fucking crazy snarls
sharp loom
they could recreate that to keep the old spirit in
But anyway it's not like I hate all models
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/w1alof/just_for_fun_evolution_of_furbolgs/ i think this illustrates perfectly for me when something goes "wrong"
DF furbolg is just so much more fursuit and generic than the WC3/vanilla ones, they look like totally different families at this point
rain cave
oh yeah forgot the new firbolgs use the drogbar skeleton
sharp loom
OMG no shit then
rain cave
they also look cursed imo
sharp loom
They look like furry drogbars yeah
rain cave
sharp loom
I mean this is healthy criticism, I just think they remove a lot of the old spirit to turn it into disney-type generic stuff
rain cave
why are they so eerie
sharp loom
Yeah I would not know that is a furbolg
Wotlk furbolg was better
Higher quality but obviously a furbolg
Anyway yeah whatever the dragons at least look good
Also this for the sake of it
Like, this is obviously not just "higher quality" but willingly choosing to make it more cartoony than keep that grotesque grin and stance, and eyes
cunning fossil
ngl I think they look creepier in the second picture
rain cave
oh they got full new skeletons
rain cave
~~ngl I think they look creepier in the second picture~~
not in the metal way
rain cave
they look creepy in the modern WoW artstyle
cunning fossil
And sharp
sharp loom
~~ngl I think they look creepier in the second picture~~
I shouldn't call an opinion bad but man it's hard
rain cave
wheras the original models are just menacing
sharp loom
they look creepy in the sense that I think they look like fursuits
not like they're threatening me
rain cave
because they're literally bestial rabid hyena people who will eat you alive and rip your limbs off
sharp loom
I see plenty of furry people on twitter and discord and it just looks awfully close
Googling fursuits give a lot of cute ones, not the ones I was immediately thinking of but alright lol
cunning fossil
To each they're own I suppose.
But me personally am fine with it if it looks "less gruesome" or whatever.
Again that is my opinion so to each their own
sharp loom
I hope that the devs get a sweet spot between the HQ cartoony quality of WoW today which is not like 100% bad
between that and their roots
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/vzte2x/fixed_hogger_in_20min_during_lunch/ this post is a good example
You can easily make gnolls/hogger menacing but not have them be 2 polygons, just my 2 cents
Those mouths and eyes change so much, damn.
plain violet
~~ngl I think they look creepier in the second picture~~
Agree, the first look like a plush, the second one has a posture that is unnatural and more creepier.
By wanting to make it too much "metal", you finish by just making something edgy for being edgy. Maldraxxus was totally metal, while still understanding what is the core of it.
Also, there is already a new Hogger model.
sharp loom
I think that "fix" to hogger post is still what should happen to all gnolls
Personally don't think it's edgy to be edgy
It just looks like how gnolls are, killer hyenas
plain violet
Hyenas just look like dogs, you know?
I mean, their heads aren't always open with tooths out.
sharp loom
I mean the point is that gnolls were never 1:1 hyenas but more like on steroids
Super angry killers
pulsar minnow
Hogger did get a NEW NEW model recently in case that wasn't brought up
sharp loom
C'mon you know gnolls are not just walking dogs
sharp loom
Hogger did get a NEW NEW model recently in case that wasn't brought up
No I didn't I'll check it out
pulsar minnow
No I didn't I'll check it out
plain violet
And not super angry killer. :p
It's normal for a standard NPC model to have a living look. It's like wanting a wolf model with always tooths out, becoming completely grotesque, but in a funny way;
It remind me of some "better worgen art" that were just worgens face without lips, bare teeths visible.
sharp loom
You should google "gnoll fanart" and see how a lot of the community view gnolls
plain violet
Not only it would be painful as hell, but would lost the idea of the worgen.
sharp loom
I mean the ones who take them seriously then willingly make them cute lol
plain violet
Depend of the part of the fanbase you are looking, there were plenty of goofy cute looking gnoll artworks.
plain violet
Wait to see it animated, you'll understand. :)
They got pretty erratic movement.
That give them an unpredictable and nevrotic look.
ember blaze
yall cosider those cute?
sharp loom
That give them an unpredictable and nevrotic look.
Hmm hopefully it looks good
plain violet
It does, like, the decay one, you immediately understand "something not right"
plain violet
yall cosider those cute?
More like unsettling for me.
pulsar minnow
Honestly, if art style is the biggest complaint for Dragonflight, then I think that's probably a good thing
Much better than core gameplay systems posing an issue
plain violet
Aha. Dragonflight is amazing to feel.
sharp loom
Honestly, if art style is the biggest complaint for Dragonflight, then I think t...
I agree with this absolutely
plain violet
But we will see when all players get their hands on it.
sharp loom
Some discord got mad I was complaining about DF
pulsar minnow
Now honestly I do think they could make the gnolls a little more scary. Just harshen the lines on their faces a bit
sharp loom
but my complaints was that 2 zones looked kind of generic/copy-pasted at some points and that some models looked really eh to me
that is LUXURY
For blizzard
Dragonflying looks decent, talent trees are big hype, lore seems to have calmed down
and MS is soon buying blizz
I mean I'm happy mostly
But yeah it still ended up in a fight w/e 🤷♂️ all of this I said too
pulsar minnow
It's alright
I mean there is still a lot of metal shit in DF
The Djaradin butcher dragons and just leave their bodies lying around in their camps
sharp loom
Now honestly I do think they could make the gnolls a little more scary. Just har...
Just work on the back and the mouth and most is fixed
IMO
basically what the reddit guy did
and what the new model is actually :P
plain violet
The Djaradin are creeps, yes.
Even some dracthyrs animation are, when you consider the spells.
"Hey, I am just gonna disintegrate you, and spew some molten lava on your face"
"What about being on a timeloop forever?"
cunning fossil
just all I can say is that two is a far cry from what I thought it was
I believe they actually changes the model as well
To make it we look like the hogger in the artwirk
sharp loom
I tbh want some true metal stuff back like how out of pocket the scourge was
Where they just detailed in the story how people got tortured
how arthas killed a kid 💀
plain violet
Yeah uh...
Let's avoid some details that just feel out of place even for a game, sometimes. x)
sharp loom
The twilight hammer came close that crazy cult stuff
cunning fossil
Not my favorite stuff if there is too much of it but I can see how it's their to add drama
sharp loom
Let's avoid some details that just feel out of place even for a game, sometimes....
C'mon lol people loved how mean the scourge was
how abominations were made out of stitched corpses
To make such an evil metal enemy again, why not
plain violet
Scourge was a mix of really evil, and goofy, I'd say.
cunning fossil
Well that's not mean that's just common sense.
plain violet
Evil as each zombie apocalypse that target everyone.
cunning fossil
Scourge was just "What if Zombie Apocalypse...but controled"
sharp loom
I believe they actually changes the model as well
I hope so
plain violet
Goofy as.. come on, did you look at the DK storyline? You had mega serious shit, and then, a book about DK forgetting their weapons.
sharp loom
Scourge was just "What if Zombie Apocalypse...but controled"
Nah the scourge tbh was the best enemy WoW has
plain violet
Of squire ghoul.
sharp loom
The burning legion is too superficial
cunning fossil
I never argued that they weren't good enemies
But still they were basically "Zombie Apocalypse but in WoW"
With some Undead having personality
sharp loom
The scourge purely as zombie apocalypse is a bit underestimating it because the burning legion is just brr demons
At least the scourge had the fantastic arthas storyline combined with it
plain violet
What I mean by that, is that dark stories in WoW need to be done right. For example, the quest with the dragonmaw.
cunning fossil
It was very cool and I can see the appeal. He'll, I appeal it too
plain violet
We can't have dark stories just for being it "dark". Exploring the mental consequences, the healing, the regret.. Now, it's better.
cunning fossil
Arthas was extremely well thought out
plain violet
Arthas was a interesting character, as he was evil from the start, while still being realistic.
sharp loom
Ner'zhul trying to escape a pact
that even midst an apocalypse he tries to betray his master by finding a host
the scourge is among my favourite enemies in all games i've played
The burning legion is just endlessly Kil'jaeden and archimonde telling to sargeras "why are we failing"
And that's it
Just brr destroy there is no real backstory here tbh
cunning fossil
I wouldn't put it down that much. I mean, Sargeras has a backstory
It just osn't as believable because
plain violet
Would disagree, Sargeras backstory, eredar corruption..
plain violet
The hubris of a race.
cunning fossil
Eradar corruption was a big thing too
sharp loom
He has but tbh it isn't that... that good of a story when we're talking about a main villain
so do old gods
Basically sargeras story is: he fought endlessly against demons, got corrupted by his thoughts and the demons, got a midlife crisis... unleashed them all
Took over argus, made 2 lieutenants
And honestly that is 90% of it
cunning fossil
Wasn't it 3?
cunning fossil
Also a big part of it was that the Legion was nearly unbeatable. Conquering almost every world they set foot upon.
It's even referenced in the Night Fae /Elune Warrior storyline, where the guy had to sacrifice himself to beat the Legion off his home terf
cunning fossil
I kinda am clueless what WoW's next enemies will be
NGL, I like that we don't know
sharp loom
NGL, I like that we don't know
Sure but
2-3 expansions later and it becomes worrying
how far can you drain the lore lol
I have 0 clue what the enemy is this time
cunning fossil
I feel like not everything should have an "Oh look another person who wants to destroy/take over azeroth who is godly in power scale"
sharp loom
BFA killed off so much good lore it's heinous
pulsar minnow
I’m kinda alright with what they’re doing with DF in introducing the Primalists and whatnot
sharp loom
I agree
dense plover
I have 0 clue what the enemy is this time
probably murozond/infinite flight
cunning fossil
Like WORLD I mean
dense plover
a classic villain
sharp loom
I kind of hoped deathwing returned tbh LOL
dense plover
he isnt
pulsar minnow
Like I’m totally cool if the final boss is just a giant fusion of the primal incarnates. That could be awesome
sharp loom
Just retcon the fuck out of his death
dense plover
Just retcon the fuck out of his death
thats a terrible idea
cunning fossil
Just retcon the fuck out of his death
That would be a horrible idea lmao
dense plover
^^^^
sharp loom
Idc
Lol
He died but didn't explode into confetti
it's not that big
it's actually how it should've been
cunning fossil
Would mean the dragonflights sacrificed their powers for nothing though
dense plover
why bring back an old enemy that we killed when we have an enemy we havent?
dense plover
murozond dude
sharp loom
and got to deathwing's corpse
and he's not like the final villain
but he will fuck stuff up
dense plover
thats bad story telling
pulsar minnow
Deathwing was cool but i think Wrathions story is far more interesting in that he’s just still dealing with the shit DW caused
dense plover
It is what blizzard does constantly
no it isnt
they brought illidan back
but he was never confirmed to be dead
sharp loom
and ruined him ye
dense plover
deathwing is confirmed dead
sharp loom
deathwing is confirmed dead
yes he popped into confetti
the literal worst choice possible
dense plover
he melted actually
sharp loom
he could've just drowned
cunning fossil
I have so much hope for Wrathion. And that's beyond the gay shit.
He has grown so much but people still doubt him. I wonder what will help to prove him worthy of being a black dragon leader
dense plover
its literally how the expac intro cutscene starts
sharp loom
ok not confetti
dense plover
is his body being held together by metal plates
sharp loom
sparks
dense plover
he melted
sharp loom
No the cinematic didn't show him slowly melt to death into a puddle
stop implying that lol
dense plover
HE WAS LITERALLY MELTING IN THE RAID
sharp loom
Has nothing to do with his actual last moment death
cunning fossil
We had a whole fight about ripping the plates off his back
sharp loom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTkaRaSAROo 19:16 watch it
cunning fossil
To help kill him tho
sharp loom
Yes I know
doesn't matter
he could've started drowning and melting and fallen into the maelstrom
he POPPED into SPARKLES
The melting in the raid is irrelevant
cunning fossil
You can't hand wave character deathsb😭
dense plover
^^^
im not gonna have an argument about deathwing being a villain in this expac when he wont be
they have murozond
pulsar minnow
Aren’t his bones in Highmountain anyways?
dense plover
theyre telling us its murozond
sharp loom
Pretty meh villain
dense plover
its going to be murozond
sharp loom
I hope it's murozond for a patch .1 or .2
dense plover
Pretty meh villain
Ah yes, the big bad of the infinite flight we have been fighting for almost all of wow
cunning fossil
Murozond is an awesome villain though
dense plover
so much worse than deathwing
cunning fossil
I love the timey whimy stuff
dense plover
a dragon we didnt really meet until cata
cunning fossil
BUT THAT'S HIS THING
dense plover
thats the entire point of him - he shatters the timeways
pulsar minnow
I really love Nozdormu’s dynamic as a person who knows no matter what that they will turn evil no matter what
cunning fossil
I really love Nozdormu’s dynamic as a person who knows no matter what that they ...
Cry
;-;
sharp loom
Lol just because you say that's his thing doesn't mean I like it do I
Opinions are not a complex subject
dense plover
but saying its awful =/= i dont like it
sharp loom
it kinda is
dense plover
ones a descriptor, the other is an opinion
sharp loom
This thing is awful is not an opinion? 🧐
TIL
If murozond will constantly be trying to change time in everything he does I will just hate him as much as the jailer
pulsar minnow
Murozond’s thing is to bring about the hour of twilight when the old gods will take over
dense plover
generally speaking, if you arent happy about murozond, you better abandon dragonflight
sharp loom
Idk I hope they do it more than murozond tries to change time, spooky
dense plover
the end of time and the end of azeroth
sharp loom
LOL that is sounding like the jailor as a dragon
sharp loom
I will rewrite history!!!
cunning fossil
I really love Nozdormu’s dynamic as a person who knows no matter what that they ...
I wonder though...could this be the time line in which the "cycle" is broken?
That somehow, someway, he manages to either work with Murozond (again. Not saying it will), or will at least not become him maybe.
Like it's an interesting idea.
dense plover
I will rewrite history!!!
thats not his goal
its not to rewrite history
its to end it
sharp loom
Murozond wants to corrupt time or smth
dense plover
no more history
dense plover
Murozond wants to corrupt time or smth
no, he doesnt
sharp loom
🤓
dense plover
you clearly dont even know who he is my dude
sharp loom
🤓
dense plover
and you are calling him boring
sharp loom
If all he wants is to end time that is boring I literally do not care
I hope it's more than that
dense plover
its not TO end time
its THE end time
its the end of the world, its a disastrous event
its a cataclysmic event to help the void
if he is the final villain, that leads into more old gods/void lords stuff
sharp loom
It's been about 10 years since murozond truly was relevant but he wanted to invade timelines to do something with destroying everything
Sorry I said he wants to end time than he wants END time jesus lol
dense plover
It's been about 10 years since murozond truly was relevant but he wanted to inva...
the infinite flight have been a background presence for a long time
sharp loom
Yeah just like the burning legion and emerald nightmare
dense plover
dense plover
no, because we never saw murozond's birth from nozdormu
end time is meant to bring about the hour of twilight
something deathwing failed to do in cata
success = void lords
another present threat we havent truly faced yet
sharp loom
Void lords is really make or break
I am not sure if we know anything about them besides oo spooky things that made old gods and scare the shit out of sargeras
dense plover
well without murozond, theres no real tie in to the void anymore
sharp loom
They sound really hard to make a story out of
dense plover
I am not sure if we know anything about them besides oo spooky things that made ...
we dont really other than theyre the void equivalent of titans
sharp loom
Like so powerful and big, how can you even try to fight them
dense plover
same way we fought argus
sharp loom
Weeeeelll
pulsar minnow
If all he wants is to end time that is boring I literally do not care
The Hour of Twilight is the same thing Deathwing wanted y’know
dense plover
except we are stronger now
sharp loom
The void lords don't have a pantheon nor space ships
nor like planet churning things so far
pulsar minnow
Murozond and Deathwing have the same goal
dense plover
The void lords don't have a pantheon nor space ships
we dont know what the void lords have
sharp loom
So I'm not sure that is comparable
sharp loom
we dont know what the void lords have
Well that's why comparing it is a bit pointless
dense plover
no it isnt
sharp loom
I'm not sure it's as easy as argus
dense plover
theyve been described as the equivalent of the titans for the void
so its the only comparison we have
plain violet
Speaking of stronger, I quite liked the "mass disintegrate" cinematic.
sharp loom
The Hour of Twilight is the same thing Deathwing wanted y’know
I kinda forgot it was the exact same thing than just "apocalypse" but
my point still stands 😂
plain violet
It's always nice to see in a cinematic the idea of being multiple heroes and how bad a vilain can finish once we land all our spells on him.
sharp loom
Deathwing sounded more like a missionary than an interesting villain
End of times waa waa uhh ragnaros deal with them idk
I hope murozond does some shit that actually matters besides the last raid
plain violet
(dracthyr scenario, multiple dracthyrs kill a giant proto dragon that is pierced by multiple rays then immolated and crash, engulfed by flames)
pulsar minnow
Personally I feel like they’re going to sort of pull a Legion. Murozond takes us through a portal to the Dawn of the Aspects to snuff out the past selves of the aspects. He ends up stranding us there to fight Galakrond. Boom Galakrond final boss
Wouldn’t be the most ridiculous thing they’ve done
pulsar minnow
Supposedly yeah
dense plover
Personally I feel like they’re going to sort of pull a Legion. Murozond takes us...
i still think that kind of thing will just be a phase in his fight
giant bosses historically dont work super well
IE deathwing
except galakrond was MUCH bigger
sharp loom
Yeah it would be better if murozond is the master mind
but galakrond is the true enemy
like oops he ate me
dense plover
i disagree
plain violet
Galakrond is just a.. well.. big eater.
dense plover
i think if galakrond shows up it cant be major
plain violet
And a boss fight with him would be horrible.
dense plover
because then it undermines murozond
sharp loom
And a boss fight with him would be horrible.
Yeah this is the issue
dense plover
since a fully rezzed galakrond would be not something murozond could just control at will
sharp loom
because then it undermines murozond
I mean in MoP it first looked like the sha were the enemy
plain violet
Yes, mechanically, I don't see it possible.
dense plover
I mean in MoP it first looked like the sha were the enemy
i mean, they still were
sharp loom
...eh
dense plover
garrosh was empowered by the heart of an old god
sharp loom
if you stretch it yeah
sharp loom
Is that true?
dense plover
if garrosh had won, yshaarj wouldve won
sharp loom
Didn't garrosh willingly fuck all kinds of stuff up in MoP as villain anyway
Did he dig out the heart unwillingly? I don't remember that
dense plover
Didn't garrosh willingly fuck all kinds of stuff up in MoP as villain anyway
he was an orc supremacist, but he sought the heart of yshaarj (the old god that created the well) because he was whispered to
he just didnt realize it
let me find the thing
hold on
sharp loom
Y'shaarj is one of those villains that I feel like
sharp loom
damn it could've been so good but you had to make a lore that he was already
dead
and just a beating heart
plain violet
And with a fragile ego, that is needed to understand.
sharp loom
I would've loved a Y'shaarj old god
Just true fight with an old god
Garrosh enhanced is okay but, not as epic as that
dense plover
Garrosh enhanced is okay but, not as epic as that
except that yshaarj being dead is the entire motivation for all of pandaria
the sha are literally parts of its dead body
crystal pond
Let just remember that garrosh was having angry issue
sharp loom
Yes and I'd rather see the sha resurrected by garrosh at the end if they idk tweaked the lore
True y'shaarj would have been a very cool old god
plain violet
Garrosh was having.. 1290 issues.
sharp loom
I think he looks the nicest out of all of them
plain violet
Anger, daddy issues, racism..
dense plover
ok - so its never specified how he found out about the heart
its actually a big mystery
crystal pond
Blizzard forgot about that
dense plover
but, in all liklihood and considering in his final phase, he becomes yshaarj's avatar, its very likely it was whispering to him
dense plover
similar to how azshara was tricked into releasing nzoth
dense plover
Such a shame it was just a heart lol
and the 7 big sha we fought across all of the different content
crystal pond
Its fact that heart was burrowed under pandaria, this is why there is sha everywhere
but how garosh how found it? Welp ehhhh plot devise
dense plover
theoretically, if murozond wins, thats how we get more old god stuff
dense plover
Well yeah but open world bosses eh
only 1 was a world boss i think
dense plover
I still hope n'zoth didn't die
i think nzoth is in the dagger
wouldnt make sense to give us the weapon to kill him unless he knew it wouldnt