I understand the speed decrease in that it was dummy fast, its the excuse as to WHY that makes me angry
#beta-ptr-spoilers
glad niche
crimson jasper
then you should know this is very much sarcasm and throwing shade at blizzard
uncut lintel
im slow dont laugh at me 
crimson jasper
because they love being rat tartet
uncut lintel
blizz full of ppl with no brains so wutev
glad niche
noone else can zoom at DR speeds outside of the isle. So sure, decrease the max. its still near double normal flight speed
glad niche
but the claim its to remove advantage over other classes irks me, cause slaps my 7 druids various bird forms
uncut lintel
💀
nocturne totem
Now that I think about it Demon Hunter Glide is even more dumb than Soar
nocturne totem
Super advantage
uncut lintel
meh
glad niche
I think lore wise its been explained that DH dont do more then glide cause it involves tapping fel energy they struggle to control
glad niche
Like i said, the nerfed soar is still like double normal flight speed. I likely will be too busy on the isle proper to care.
its the REASON they gave that makes me mad
uncut lintel
blizzard go brrr
glad niche
Id even take them just being capable of normal flight and removing soar
Like, weve got wings to rival illidans, and he flaps about like a dang canary when he feels like it
nocturne totem
I can't use Glide as a paladin 
or be zanda
glad niche
iirc, the "we dont want advantages over others" crap has been used before, potentially in regards to DH for all i remember. And it always falls back to how druid is the golden child at blizzard that is constantly overlooked in that excuse
nocturne totem
They disabled Goblin Gliders in instances at the same time they added Glide to make DHs be special
glad niche
Was the actual forum post with this blue in it locked?
theres no means to reply that i can see
languid yoke
do you have alpha?
glad niche
no, is it only alpha participants that can reply to it?
languid yoke
ye
glad niche
gotcha
glad niche
The silence post slime cat and soar is oof
Like all the hype trains just derailed and all the hopium that blizz actually gives a damn just went up in smoke
Moreso the slimecat on that one. The soar change needs some fair compensation for me to be agreeable to it fully.
I'd really love just normal old flight on a Dracthyr. It's been. .. over a decade since I've played a game where a race has its own flight without a transformation needed at the least.
nocturne totem
What's wrong with the slime mount?
glad niche
Apparently the achievement didnt say normal mode. They have included LFR in the season starting August 4th. But it's excluded from the mount which is apparently presumably FOMO
(I don't do season stuff so I'm only repeating what I'm consumed from scouring wowhead and forums the last hour)
So, for months people have been excited over season stuff including LFR as an option. And the slimecat NOT being in the LFR stuff, was only made news today.
Season 4 includes LFR level content, LFR level content has zero rewards because of the abrupt exclusion
nocturne totem
Oh. I never would have assumed LFR would have anything tied to it.
glad niche
The problem is, why include it in the season stuff if it won't have a reward.
nocturne totem
Can you do Fated LFR?
glad niche
My understanding from reading through a bunch of stuff is that season 4 will be the first to included fated LFR
nocturne totem
They could have easily added an LFR tier reward along with the Normal/Heroic/Mythic stuff I guess.
glad niche
To test the waters or something? That part isn't very clear.
But while it's being added to the content pool, it apparently has zero rewards.
So, noone will want to do it. Thua defeating the purpose of even adding it as an option.
Thus*
glad niche
I'd assume so. I know nothing about gear from it. I just know a lot of forum members have soundly worded upset over the slimecat.
The baseline achievement doesn't say normal mode. From my scouring the first just lists the fated raids. The second states heroic specifically. The third states mythic specifically.
So. The forum talk since those were seen has been about how LFR will be included in the pool for the chievements. No blue post has ever once corrected this, from my understanding
Then today,a week before the season. Blue post saying LFR not eligible for mount
nocturne totem
I can understand miscommunication and wording the achievement wrong. But people should just run Normal then to get the mount.
glad niche
Basically. That with soar getting it's wings clipped for weak reasons. Forums are a kicked hornets nest.
Not even via foul mouthed trolly sorts. It's all well worded typed out responses. With no fresh blue responses in sight. So all of them feel unheard
glad niche
You say easy. But this is content 120% foreign to me. Who has extreme anxiety issues and avoids static based content like a plague.
So if I had wanted the cat. I'd probably be upset too.
nocturne totem
For those people's sakes I hope Blizz changes it
Especially if you can do Fated LFR
glad niche
LFR is bonkers side ways and sloppy cause of lack of communication. But when I did a lot of LFR in pandaria. It ment I didn't have to deal with static groups who (at the time) as a game community were notorious for being toxic and harmful
nocturne totem
In the future Blizz should know that players will look over every thing with a fine toothed comb
glad niche
Mhmm
nocturne totem
Achievements anyway should be clearly worded
glad niche
I'd said it earlier but. With soar nerf. It's truly not the speed clip that bothers me. It's the asinine reasons they gave.
nocturne totem
I think their reason makes sense.
glad niche
Shamans can water walk. Some class I don't remember can breathe under water. Mages have portals. Someone has slow fall.
Non travel side - druid and a few others selectively have battle rezes. Does that not put them at an advantage too?
nocturne totem
I bet when they designed it they thought only about Dragonflight. Then, people started using it in old zones and they thought "Oh shit"
glad niche
I mean yeah it's super speedy. I'd personally be fine with Dracthyr having soar on the isle and normal 310 or whatever flight in old zones.
nocturne totem
Yeah some classes have some good movement utility that makes their whole QoL playing the game easier then others live in poverty
glad niche
Just, end of the day, the advantageous excuse is to me 100% bogus. The game is not made with open world balance in mind. The classes and races each have some things they excel in that play part in being picked when making an alt.
Hell I have a handful on zandalari cause the bwonsamdi buff is op for how I play. And passive extra gold never hurt.
So. Seeing this chat so silent after those two things today. Very somber feeling.
Been looking like so much good back and forth in feedback and then fart noises
nocturne totem
There are a number of imbalances yeah. Blizz picks weird battles to say they want to make things even.
glad niche
Idk if we'll see it but I also hope the new drakes will function as normal mounts outside of the isles.
Don't personally care about riding enough to want it as my core flight. (Plus a lot of old zones are SUPER flat, which doesn't actually work very easily with mechanical flight mechanics)
In GW2 the ground mounts are permanently relevant because it's impossible to get lift in say, the desert, on the griffin. And the skyscale is a slow chunk who also doesn't permanently maintain air
My first thought when people want DR in old zones, is that huge baren flatland in northrend
Sure if you climb up high first you'll have fun for a good bit. Starting from ground level, your options are limited
nocturne totem
I wish they just adopted the FF14 all mounts fly thing
glad niche
I'm not sure why they haven't, tbh
dense plover
"Effects that scale with empower level, such as Power Swell and Tyranny, remove gameplay by indicating that it is always correct to fully empower your spells."
YO
they actually acknowledged the problem
"Iridescence is a new, 1-rank passive at the bottom of the right side of the tree. “Casting an empower spell increases the damage of your next 2 spells of the same color by 15% within 10 sec.”" - this is cool
but
i dont think they fixed it?
it seems like theyre encouraging it?
im confused
"Power Swell is now a 2-rank node that reads, “Empower spells increase your Essence regeneration rate by 50% for 2 sec or 4 sec [per rank].”"
like - doesnt this specifically encourage empowering?
deep pawn
I'm on the side lfr should count for the mount
It didn't specify and they said you can earn dinar in lfr so why not the mount
uncut vault
Sad to see charged blast go, it was honestly really neat
especially now that its replacement is ST only
dense plover
especially now that its replacement is ST only
from the sounds of it, a lot of people really liked it, and they might end up changing it again
uncut vault
I said it on the forums too, but I hope that Azure Strike gets some talents to make it feel less like filler if they are gonna go through with this
cause I do like the idea of a blue spell enhancing damage to a target
dense plover
its probably gonna see some more changes before its rotation is finalized
uncut vault
honestly my hot take is that I feel like essence regen needs to be nerfed a bit, to make the spec feel better lol
uncut vault
right now it has the issue where essence regens so fast, that you just constantly feel like you're missing damage by capping on it
even if you're doing everything possible
dense plover
and the new change isnt really gonna make it much better
uncut vault
especially in single target, where your main spender is a channeled ability
it feels a lot better in AoE thanks to Pyre being instant cast and a lot cooler to spam
- talent interactions with fire breath
lean yew
I am irrationally upset about the soar speed change
And haven't even been able to read through the changes they're making without getting upset about the soar change
I also liked how you could pick your charged blast talent, an aoe one for leveling and a reset one for st
dense plover
well thats dumb
because its still really good
its still 640% speed
its 50% faster than normal flying instead of approx. 130%
and its 200% more flight speed
lean yew
Yes but it's worthless in the dragon isles now
dense plover
it already was
lean yew
Which makes it even worse
dense plover
the cooldown made it worthless in the isles
imo, if they stick to the reduced speed, they should reduce or remove the cooldown within the isles
lean yew
I used soar any chance I could - but was heavily limited obviously by the cooldown
dense plover
either that or reduce the speed specifically outside the isles
thats another option
dont ruin it in the isles, only nerf it outside
charred gyro
I also just don't.. buy that anything in the old world is important enough to be concerned about a 4-min CD limited flying edge. They mentioned transmog and Chromie Time as a reason to nerf the speed? Like huh?
lean yew
I just don't get why it matters that much in old content - who is complaining about the efficiency?
dense plover
I also just don't.. buy that anything in the old world is important enough to be...
i think the reason is BS
imo its probably server load stuff and it makes the world appear significantly smaller
lean yew
Then they could've said that - the reason is what makes me so annoyed lol
It, and I said this on the thread, does not pass the sniff test
If it smells like shit, and looks like shit, it's probably shit
dense plover
i dont think they want to admit that the old world is starting to become a problem
charred gyro
I suppose.. future implications... in the old world..? ? Honestly I struggled to finish that thought. I don't see it.
dense plover
because then people are going to rant and rave about the world needing an update
and they really dont have the resources to do that again
lean yew
I think the need to nerf it in old world content highlights the flaws with the current travel system in wow, pre-dragonriding.
dense plover
i mean, the dragon riding speed only really works as well as it does in DF because the zones are designed for it
lean yew
I think they're also afraid to commit because once dragonriding is out of the box in the old world there's no going back
However, I do also think that the feedback once df launches is going to be extremely overwhelming and they'll have no choice.
dense plover
I think they're also afraid to commit because once dragonriding is out of the bo...
100%
lean yew
After dragonriding, old flying feels so bad
dense plover
i think if it DOES end up being added to the old world (when ideally), theyll unnerf the ability
theyve done that with racials in the past
where they nerfed them for launch and buffed them after
lean yew
True, they could just make it the same speed in dragon isles, lower the cd a bit, leave it nerfed in old world until if and when they enable dragonriding
dense plover
but its also possible that alpha feedback will result in them increasing it slightly
to somewhere less than the 950%
but more than 640
and hopefully reducing or removing the cooldown when on the isles
lean yew
I just hope they respond to feedback in some way and don't ignore it entirely
uncut vault
I honestly just hope they listen to the feedback for how it works on the dragon isles
dense plover
though i never expected it to be this much
uncut vault
like, reducing the speed for the old world, fine I guess, we will live
lean yew
I agree, the isles part is most important to me
dense plover
yeah the problem there is absolutely that they dont get the abilities and it has a 5 min cooldown and now it has less speed
lean yew
I wanna be able to soar next to my friends while they're dragonriding for a bit
lean yew
You obviously can't keep up forever, but if you're going a short distance its fine
It feels so good to launch up as a dracthyr and fly to the next quest area
It works really well for short travel
dense plover
It works really well for short travel
thats part of why the cooldown is so bad
i can understand SOME cooldown?
charred gyro
Right, it's already less powerful considering it doesn't benefit from the vigor system and upgrades. Leaving it at the same speed feels like the least they could do to allow it to be interesting in DF zones.
lean yew
Yeah, the cooldown on the isles needs to be lower.
lean yew
I should be able to fly to a quest, complete it, then soar to the turn in
dense plover
i think if they can make it only slower in the old world, that would also help
IE "this ability functions differently when on the dragon isles"
or even two versions of it - "Dragon Isles Soaring" "Azerothian Soaring"
maybe one as a passive describing how the ability is more powerful in your ancestral home
idk
lean yew
Yeah. I know they tend to avoid that, but making it just slower on dragon isles is just plain bad
The cooldown really has to be much lower though either way
It's hilariously bad in the starting zone when you soar across forgotten reach and then have to walk to the next area
uncut vault
A minute feels fine for on the dragon isles at least, since vigor recharge takes about that long baseline
and less so with upgrades
lean yew
Agreed. I tend to think they'll settle on 2, but it should be a minute if they're dead-set on a cooldown
Maybe I was an outlier, but I really liked the idea of choosing blue vs. red for a side to focus on
But it does make sense they want us to use both and not exclusively one or the other.
opaque pewter
Alchemy is getting new exciting terms. I have no idea what phials and incense are but it feels they'll be expanding to be more than just potion, flasks and transmutation this time around
upper pasture
Flasks no longer exists in DF they are called phials now
opaque pewter
Ah, so that's what it is
dense plover
yo
visage form is in the dressing room!
definitely not done
certain things arent working with others
like scales, some of the patterns, and eyebrows
subtle oar
Flasks no longer exists in DF they are called phials now
Not a big fan of the Phials tbh
livid walrus
did you know one continue casting if evoker use the friendly fly with me ?
dense plover
@uncut vault regarding your tweet about wrathion's followers, i think youre wrong
this
i think the entire point of mentioning garrosh is it clearly shows how his followers see him and how he works
i dont think wrathion has any regrets about what he did
because it worked
we beat the legion
we locked up sargeras
we defeated argus
we got rid of sylvanas
it all worked
and even if wrathion DOES regret it
think of it in the context of followers of other people
when a celebrity says or does something wrong-ish, people will say they did it for a good reason or that kind of stuff, even after they have apologized or said it was a mistake
uncut vault
The entire point of his journal was flat out talking about how he regrets it lol
and if it were average followers, it would be fine
its his two closest confidants
and again, my point isnt just that it exists, it's that it's in a quest designed to show his strengths
and that interaction is very much not that
dense plover
hmmm ok
uncut vault
its just "wow his followers are idiots"
dense plover
i still think some of his followers supporting that action isnt unreasonable
but probably not his main ones
uncut vault
meanwhile sabellian gets three interactions not only pumping him up, but saying blatantly that he is better than Wrathion
it should be even between the two IMO
dense plover
i definitely dont think sabellian should be better'
uncut vault
hence why I think replacing it with talking about N'zoth, and his journey to redemption after freeing Garrosh is a better thing for left and right to talkabout
dense plover
didnt Sabellian support deathwing's actions during Cata?
dense plover
hence why I think replacing it with talking about N'zoth, and his journey to red...
thats fair
uncut vault
We don't know when he stopped supporting him, only that he did, and has been building his own clutch of eggs since then
and somehow found a cure for their corruption off-screen
dense plover
and somehow found a cure for their corruption off-screen
supposedly found a cure
could all be a ruse or trap
btw, when did Wrathion say he regrets the garrosh stuff?
uncut vault
Well yeah, that's still TBD, but I doubt they'll all be corrupted simply because they are the future of the flight
in his 9.2.5 questline, not directly but via his journal stuff
basically saying that he's realized since then that operating through subterfuge and forcing conflict in an attempt to unite people isn't as noble a goal as he thought
dense plover
basically saying that he's realized since then that operating through subterfuge...
but does that mean he actually regrets it?
uncut vault
A pity the former Aspects are so reluctant to trust me. Even after all my research, their familiarity with the titans' handiwork surely eclipses my own. But given the troubled history of my dragonflight... of Deathwing, Onyxia, Nefarian... and myself... I cannot say I blame them, either.
[Medivh] said something on which I ruminate even now: "I can never change the actions of my past," he told me, "but I can forge a new legacy to leave behind."
A new legacy. In the end, perhaps that is what I am truly after. A way to make amends for my father's failings... as well as my own. A legacy worthy of the black dragonflight's original sacred charge: the defense of Azeroth. The end of the Old Gods.
haughty houndBOT
Medivh - https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=15608/medivh - PTR 9.2.7
dense plover
i mean - it still doesnt say he regrets it though
like - having a more noble goal doesnt mean that what you did in the past was the wrong thing
it might mean that you couldve done better
uncut vault
he very directly talks about his failings
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
im not saying that the line shouldnt be removed
maybe modified
something about how it wasnt the best plan but it worked
or how while the plan worked, there were better ways to go about it
i still think they should acknowledge that wrathion was responsible and accomplished the goal he set out to accomplish
uncut vault
If anything I'd prefer left and right outright say that Wrathion made mistakes, that he's jeopardized things in his attempts to fulfill his duty: but that he's been there trying to fulfill it nonetheless, and learned from his mistakes as a leader
theyre both very blunt, honest characters
dense plover
i think they can say that while also sort of hyping him idk
talking about the lengths wrathion went to in the past, how those mistakes happened to work out but taught him lessons, idk
i think ignoring it is bad
maybe instead of removing that line, they could add a second followup line that talks about him regreting the choices he made
uncut vault
My point in general for the thread was that it feels like they're writing Wrathion as a continuation of MoP wrathion
uncut vault
when he had a huge amount of development for his impatience and willingness to share his plans and glory alike with others in BfA
dense plover
since most players wont know who he is
theoretically
if you are a new player, DF is the first time you will meet wrathion
so giving the background is important
it might make sense to have significantly more relevant dialogue in that scene
talk about both the bad and good stuff he did
uncut vault
it's also why Im mixed on the interaction from the void elf, because it kinda gives the wrong impression of wrathion himself
like, shes right that he absolutely did do that, he was killing the corrupted dragons in Cata
but since then, he's come to pretty much the same opinion that is presented for Sabellian: that they should be cured, not culled
but this questline doesn't mention that at all
so I hope at least his opinions on that matter come up before the ultimate reputation choice happens
dense plover
it might be worth making a forum post
and talking about how they need to have more dialogue there since this is the first time new players will meet wrathion
uncut vault
I probably will on the general Waking shores post, I'm probably going to wait until the reputation story is testable to make a dedicated thread since I already have submitted some feedback and I want to see how they handle the story before actually making the choice
uncut vault
I also just want to see how amicable they are to story changes in general this time around, since it seems much further in development
mainly via the dracthyr feedback
and the lack of clarity on the weyrn you're in before getting suddenly whisked off to Stormwind/Orgrimmar
dense plover
i think thats because theyre missing cutscenes
but we will see
im hoping they expand on the timeskip theyve decided to do
we need definitive amounts of time
uncut vault
Well the cutscenes wouldnt really help it, since the ones we know about are about flashbacks to Neltharion's stuff
the issues are more in the quests themselves, and how they basically just present everyone as following the Alliance leader at first
the only hint at being in one or the other is the starting quest NPC, where no differences are shown and they dont comment on their weyrns
dense plover
i mean - that COULD be in the cutscenes since you are in these weyrns in the past
but it is definitely a fair critique
uncut vault
both starti n the exact same spot is the main issue there
I think something as simple as starting in a different one, and reversing the roles of the scalecommanders depending on which faction you are would fix it
because once you're out of the creche, you all follow Emberthal regardless
dense plover
theres supposed to be 2
so thats weird
like - the zone names list 2 weyrns/creches
i wonder if its a bug?
uncut vault
Yeah thats what I mean, the quests are the exact same, in the exact same area, following Azurethal throughthe quests and then finding Cindrethresh outside
dense plover
or maybe not finished?
uncut vault
I hope so, thats mostly what I mean of seeing how malleable the story development is first
uncut vault
also I was looking for the NPC for the horde quest starting
turns otu apparently he has a regular human visage form
despite joining the Horde
weird
maybe he's using it for subterfuge?
dense plover
see how there are 2 separate micro starting zone maps?
im pretty sure theres supposed to be some kind of separation
but the maps themselves are implemented
so i dont know
where do you start on this map i labeled?
uncut vault
I thinik that might be the other creches in the region
you start at D
then E and A have two other creches
dense plover
do you ever visit C?
dense plover
hmmm, yeah they definitely should change one to start somewhere else
i would initially report it as a bug though
uncut vault
the player creche is much bigger on the inside than the others
uncut vault
it's where most of them "are", but most of them are just locked doors
dense plover
i mean, they can change that though
not hard to copy the existing creche to a different part and change some NPC stuff
theyve done more in single builds historically
i g2g but uh, i hope they make some changes to make it a bit more consistent
uncut vault
Me too, thanks for the talk!
harsh mason
didnt Sabellian support deathwing's actions during Cata?
No, he not supported him( after second war) and stayed in the Outland so that the remnants of his dragonflight would not be infected by the corruption of the ancient gods.
In dragonflight, just some characters cite as an argument that Wrathion simply killed other black dragons, while Sabellian protected them (both from the grons and from the corruption of the old gods)
Let's just say Sabellian did much less damage than Wrathion (although he, as Neltharion's lieutenant, helped Ner'zhul's Horde)
livid walrus
The starting zone is also end game zone no?
livid walrus
someone can explain me why there is "The dark talon" and "Dark talon"?
plain violet
Typo. :p
glad niche
"Yeah but you guys arent THE dark Talons" scoffs "Posers"
plain violet
Well, lorewise, the dark talons are the dark talons, and it do not seem to be reputation tied behind...
Sometimes the <> are used just for title and such.
Considering it's alpha, errors like this can exist, like "Sisterhood of Elune" "The Sisterhood of Elune"
plain violet
"Yeah but you guys arent THE dark Talons" *scoffs* "Posers"
To be more edgy, add The.
Always!
glad niche
I just, thinking of funny things about the two visage options
and what i know of the start story
Wrathion all like "Ya gatta blend in homes! So the mortal races are less spooked by ya!"
Dracthyr "No prob fam!" concentrates ..... fart noises ..... picked the MOST catty statistic from horde and alliance options
Dracthyr 100% that "Is it me? Am I the drama?" meme
Such scamps
rain cave
glad niche
woah, what your feet all 1 toe each? xD
rain cave
woah, what your feet all 1 toe each? xD
I like to imagine the boots are painted to look like toes
instead of it just being weird wowhead dressing room error
rain cave
"Tell me you like feet without telling me you LIKE feet"
alternatively this particular dracthyr can't visage his feet properly and is self conscious
glad niche
aww, poor lad. Someone get this lizard some shoes! ... No flipflops!
I wasnt really lookin forward to picking over a visage in game. Seeing as I dont intend to make heavy use of it.
But Im happy with what I cooked up. Enough so to occasionally Belf dance
mmmm
nope. Nevermind. The dance is still horrible
So the dances are normally based on whats popular at the time the race came into being. But Im a stiff old person. Whats the Dracthyr dance based on?
it reminds me of swing dancing sorta
Electroswing I should say
I think she just picked something to match the BMP of the dance but it looks nice
Kinda sad the visage forms dont do either the same one or different pieces of whatever inspired it
ember blaze
the new camera thing is bad if youre not actually looking through a lens
having to aim a beam in third person is terrible 
glad niche
I know nothing being the pics you sent before, but considering for a normal camera id look through the lens, not sure why third person is an option
ember blaze
I know nothing being the pics you sent before, but considering for a normal came...
the activity is you aiming an awkward beam around
without actually looking through a camera
was watching towelliee
and it constantly disabled by moving
just looked terrible all around
glad niche
aaah
ember blaze
idk how you could mess that up so bad
glad niche
might have something to do with game modes, cant say for certain since im not blizzard back end
pulsar minnow
Someone posted this earlier but
grand bane
i am going to cry if its real
languid yoke
has nothing to do with hating DH, the same dev simply finished rogue first
of course it's not real
dense plover
idk how you could mess that up so bad
I mean - we don’t know what end game photo cataloging looks like
pulsar minnow
i am going to cry if its real
its not
grand bane
i know :D
livid walrus
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=194677/battle-arthas https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=194678/battle-illidan 🤔
this is new iliidan model btw?
plain violet
No, it's just the inner demon model, a bit old.
cunning fossil
worn crown
I main a DK and DH (yeap, I am an edgelord loool), so since DK and druid were the first ones to have talent tree, I'm suspecting DH will be the last 😆
opaque pewter
The people not happy are the loudest ones after all lol
coarse quail
where do you start on this map i labeled?
Why so much mountains?!?!
upper pasture
because we have dragon riding to use
coarse quail
because we have dragon riding to use
But still
Is there going to be...mobs...?
Npc's...?
Herbs? something else?
upper pasture
if i'm not mistaken that is the dracthyr starting zone which we will most likely come back as an end game zone at max level so.....yes?
harsh mason
A bit of mountains, so it seems from the outside
coarse quail
if i'm not mistaken that is the dracthyr starting zone which we will most likely...
Nice.
harsh mason
Calm down
coarse quail
Hope they won't do mistakes like previous patches
harsh mason
Hope they won't do mistakes like previous patches
What mistakes?
harsh mason
Are you telling us someone 's words here right now?
coarse quail
Are you telling us someone 's words here right now?
?
harsh mason
Like the storm peaks
I just don't understand why these questions, are you afraid of mountains?
There are many mountains in storm peak because it is a storm peak. But the whole continent did not consist of mountains alone
upper pasture
storm peaks was a pretty big zone had a raid in it and a dungeon (or two?) it also added a faction with dailies and a quite a few quests to do, idk what you're going on about
coarse quail
I just don't understand why these questions, are you afraid of mountains?
No,lol.
It is annoying to my opinion to add it and...just do nothing on them.
I know,there r meaning and all...but I wrote it to my opinion.
harsh mason
storm peaks was a pretty big zone had a raid in it and a dungeon (or two?) it al...
Well the location itself wasn't really big
upper pasture
had 113 quests in the zone and a raid and dungeons i'd count that as a pretty full zone even though it had mountians ¯_(ツ)_/¯
harsh mason
and it's strange that after tBC people are not tired of DQ
harsh mason
had 113 quests in the zone and a raid and dungeons i'd count that as a pretty fu...
It's not much. For comparison: in Legion, BfA and SL locations from 300 quests.
There are a lot of locations in WotLK, but they are small in size and content
pulsar minnow
Wow I found Halls of Infusion on WoW Tools
This dungeon looks beautiful
Its very much a return to the classic titan aesthetic though modernized with some tech stuff
The dungeon is overgrown and appears to have Primalist shenanigans going on inside
harsh mason
You can take screenshots, please, if it's not difficult
pulsar minnow
Will do
and oh wow this Dungeon is underneath Tyrhold I think
The part that I think might be Tyrhold
wheat drum
there is any boe in fated raids?
upper pasture
It's not much. For comparison: in Legion, BfA and SL locations from 300 quests. ...
Your also talking about content created a decade+ ago over content created not a decade ago plus I didn’t count all quests just story quest if you wanna get technical there’s like 250 quests in storm peaks including pet battles WQs and what not. The point is it’s not an empty zone
dense plover
there is any boe in fated raids?
#retail-wow this is for ptr and dragonflight
pulsar minnow
This nexus dungeon looks great as well
Looks like players might be teleporting across to various sections of the dungeon
Whatever this is the Primalists got into it Edit: wait this is probably the entrance to Vault of the Incarnates
dense plover
Whatever this is the Primalists got into it Edit: wait this is probably the entr...
could also be that halls dungeon
is the model not named?
pulsar minnow
its a bunch of numbers .wmo
I kinda just skimmed past it didnt write it down
But yeah there is a good change its halls of infusion because I did see one boss that has the primalist rock formation in their room
dense plover
huh - i wouldve figured that they would have textured these new caves by now
pulsar minnow
Theres an absolute ton of caves and rocks
Honestly really glad that is the case. We need little alcoves for secret dragon stuff
dense plover
we need NEW alcoves so its nice to see new ones
this one is neat
could be academy related?
cool library area - bronze and blue flags
i do wonder why some of my textures arent loading
well i found the ruby life pools
14783.wmo
@pulsar minnow @uncut vault bronze dragon shrine
livid walrus
😮
dense plover
well, the entrance
pulsar minnow
Yeah was checking that out too. There is no way that isn't related to some max level content
Because there isn't a dungeon or anything for it
dense plover
its the entrance in the grand time adventure thingy
its at the bronze dragon shrine
perfection
pulsar minnow
Oh there's a few assets with some really funny variations on the "delete me"
livid walrus
seems so
dense plover
dunno why the textures are weird
but the tool isnt being updated anymore so its better than nothing
livid walrus
shadows
pulsar minnow
Yup thats Halls of Infusion
Goldshire got a complete overhaul but its... just here?
dense plover
might be for a cutscene?
pulsar minnow
Would love to see it implemented
Gnoll Wars might even involve it
Old version of Tyrhold with dragon statues
dense plover
pretty sure this is part of valdrakken
pulsar minnow
Yeah that building's interior is in a loading screen
dense plover
yo this centaur structure with a big cat on it is awesome
i think i found a part of uldaman
its still loading textures
pulsar minnow
Ok so I think I've gone through all the DF stuff with the last thing being that early version of Tyrhold. I definitely missed some stuff because wow.tools' occasional weirdness
dense plover
yeah this thing
i think this is the disk that deimos breaks
wait
maybe not
this might be the raid?
theres like lava and stuff
yeah thats a boss platform
14720.wmo
pulsar minnow
Yep
dense plover
also it being a titan structure is interesting
pulsar minnow
I think Raszageth might be breaking into the raid to free the other incarnates
Raszageth, being their leader, was seemingly imprisoned far away from them in the Forbidden Reach
upper pasture
yeah this thing
Ngl that looks like something broke out
dense plover
Ngl that looks like something broke out
it MIGHT be how we get in
i cant seem to find any other entrance
and its the farthest from the final chamber
plain violet
The purple impact could be the "primal thunder" or arcane..
upper pasture
I might be but all I’m saying is how the door looks is something broke out of it not broke into it
pulsar minnow
The purple impact could be the "primal thunder" or arcane..
yeah its Raszageth's magic color so definitely her
harsh mason
ah you mean this crazy fucking room
there are 3 other incarnations
pulsar minnow
I might be but all I’m saying is how the door looks is something broke out of it...
Well Raszageth was freed on the Forbidden Reach so that was probably her breaking into the vault to free the others
plain violet
yeah its Raszageth's magic color so definitely her
That's what I think too...
dense plover
some kind of gnoll den/burrow
plain violet
Pretty...
pulsar minnow
The other incarnates haven't showed up in the story yet right?
dense plover
probably gnoll
dense plover
The other incarnates haven't showed up in the story yet right?
no
but we also havent gone to the zones that involve them really
and we probably have some info missing from azure span
since we didnt have the dungeon tie in
harsh mason
ah you mean this crazy fucking room
I suspect that Raszageth was gaining strength so that at the moment of death the release of energy would free other incarnations. I'm sure it will be
pulsar minnow
Next week should be Thaldraszus so we'll probably find out what happens
Honestly I really hope Raszageth isn't killed in the first raid. I think she's actually a pretty cool villain and there seems to be more to her involving the other aspects based on Kalec's dialogue in Azure Span
livid walrus
i tried to do monk starting zone, it seems you get too much exp there
dense plover
this is interesting - this is probably neltharion's model's head
we havent seen neltharion's new model yet
pulsar minnow
next week isnt ohnaran?
I think I read it being Thal, but that can probably change. Gosh I wish it was Ohn'ahran I can't wait to see that zone
pulsar minnow
That's why I'm keen on seeing it too
livid walrus
any Galakron hints?
dense plover
not sure what this is - 14680
dense plover
any Galakron hints?
if galakrond is showing up, we wont know until towards the time he is showing up
so 10.3
pulsar minnow
Blizz have said that we'd pretty much know the big bad by the end of 10.0, AKA after Vault. I'm gonna guess: The Incarnates United, a resurrected maybe elemental Galakrond (just because it'd be cool), or Murozond
dense plover
its almost definitely murozond
pulsar minnow
Leaning on him too
dense plover
porter had a pretty solid theory that nozdormu stops the primalists doing something bad
which is good
but by doing so, he dies
but he stops himself dying
and becomes murozond
something like that at least
murozond has to be created at some point and dragonflight is absolutely the best time
and it tying into the raid would make sense considering the primalist's tomorrow map
pulsar minnow
I feel like we're going to start off with Incarnates but over time (badum tss) its going to turn into the Infinite
Infinite eventually just taking over the Incarnates
dense plover
so - the map viewer in model viewer is awesome
it loads the world wmo
which confirms they didnt just change the minimap for grand time adventure
the actual world is significantly different
livid walrus
I hope for Chromatus too
dense plover
this portal seems significant
@uncut vault im looking around the grand time adventure map if you care
livid walrus
it is the portal we fight againts protodrake in the waking shores questline, there is a cinematic over there too.
dense plover
it is the portal we fight againts protodrake in the waking shores questline, the...
this portal is in the grand time adventure map
its nowhere near the waking shores
livid walrus
i know but the area is in waking shore as well , this cove model
pulsar minnow
How do you view the map file in modelviewer?
livid walrus
we fight a protodrake there and get cutscene , which is hidden from us
dense plover
it loads all the doodads and animated textures
livid walrus
sec going to take screenshot
dense plover
im looking at the plains a bit
its less flat then i thought
it has ridged
and rocky outcroppings
i cant really run this though
its SO laggy
maybe if i could double the amount of RAM i had i might be able to get 20fps XD
livid walrus
when do you think blizz will test pvp ?
dense plover
beta
upper pasture
season 2
pulsar minnow
Oh wow yeah this is amazing
dense plover
once all the classes are in and theyre focusing on testing
pulsar minnow
Yup this is vault of the Incarnates
It's working... sort of okay for me. I'm gonna try and see if I can find dungeon entrances
OH
Okay so I figured out what that Valdrakken Room with the loading screen was
That's actually Tal'ageth Academy
livid walrus
see the same portal , another location
dense plover
That's actually Tal'ageth Academy
sick
take ohnaran plains pictures
and that other zone
thaldrazzus
we have seen almost none of it
pulsar minnow
Centaur village
Its big
Another village towards the shore with an Ohn'ahra statue
plain violet
Oooh, a cult, niiice.
pulsar minnow
Huh. 3 random titan rooms underground. (Under Tyrhold)
could be for questing
Gosh I love the world design for Dragonflight. So many areas that are cut off unless you fly there. Really sells that this is the home of the dragons; they dont need stairs or anything
Tyrhold is completely inaccessible without flying for instance
dense plover
its really REALLY well designed
plain violet
I really like it too.
Some would say "but for the ones who don't have wings ?!" but well... Every dragon have wings and drakonids can be transported here, plus, there is portals. With magic everywhere, locomotion is totally something else.
Like when, in science-fiction, you can access portion of Coruscant only with a speeder, flying.
livid walrus
i doubt it , but i hope they could update ulduar
pulsar minnow
Im standing on what is roughly player height on the ground. These aqueducts are just my favorite part of this zone. They are genuinely massive
crystal pond
Is... Is raid gonna be tested soon? Or you guys just hyped again
pulsar minnow
pulsar minnow
Is... Is raid gonna be tested soon? Or you guys just hyped again
Nah. We're just checking out the zones and stuff in the modelviewer
dense plover
Is... Is raid gonna be tested soon? Or you guys just hyped again
also beta
they cant do raid testing until class balance is closer to done
raid testing is like - a month or 6 weeks before launch
crystal pond
Beta in the early sept, no?
Or its gonna be aug?
dense plover
sept
but raid testing probably in october
we literally havent even tested all the dungeons, we dont have all the class trees
raid will come after all of that is done
crystal pond
Idk how they gonna balance evoker
Imagine pvp with them 
dense plover
pvp balance is separate from pve
pulsar minnow
There's a lot of stuff on the Bronze Dragonshrine
Flightpoint, tents, what I believe is an Oathstone?
dense plover
lots of doodads
pulsar minnow
This has to be some sort of Torghast Equivalent
There's no way they'd just leave that giant door there
Very excited for them to reveal whatever is the Grand Time Adventure
glad niche
hm, i actually dont really like a lot of the highlands customizations
dense plover
This has to be some sort of Torghast Equivalent
that is my theory
dense plover
hm, i actually dont really like a lot of the highlands customizations
theyre definitely missing some
im pretty sure there are a few more horn colors
pulsar minnow
hm, i actually dont really like a lot of the highlands customizations
I think it'll look better put together
crystal pond
Maybe bronze oathstone questline going to be related with timetravel stuff that was datamined? This new maps i mean
glad niche
yeah, just from the pictures Im def feeling less jazzed compared to the others
Im hoping in game we'll have the ability to preview the locked ones
Id be mighty perturbed if i work my ass off for a customization and end up disliking it after all the effort
so far my fav seems to be the proto, based on pics alone
livid walrus
i found a bug.. you cant accept change body type in barber shop unless you change another thing in addition to that
dense plover
i found a bug.. you cant accept change body type in barber shop unless you chang...
then report it
pulsar minnow
New Arena
pulsar minnow
yeah, I think this is their final iteration on it
pulsar minnow
That would be pretty awesome if that is the case
dense plover
bushes maybe
missing textures/models
the tool doesnt always load them right
and its not being maintained
so
its a bit out of date
rain cave
@uncut vault I was surprised to hear taliesin calling you out in one of his videos
made me do a double take
rain cave
didn't realize porter had clout
pulsar minnow
World of WarClout
plain violet
Well, he got Twitter, a nice visibility, he have the alpha... 😁
I just hope it's not too difficult for him.
stray relic
That's so incredibly lame that violet isn't a scale option for your dragon riding mount ...
Yet white is
They give one obscure option but not both
dense plover
They give one obscure option but not both
more options will likely come in patches
proper crystal
Can Dracthyr wear helms (like glasses) in their visage forms?
pulsar minnow
Can Dracthyr wear helms (like glasses) in their visage forms?
Unfortunately no. It's a crime they can't wear top hats
spiral carbon
They can't in visage form ? 
stray relic
I hope more options will come, but it's just illogical that purple isn't an option initially
proper crystal
Unfortunately no. It's a crime they can't wear top hats
seriously?? Their visage form gets no helms at all??
pulsar minnow
<:sadcat:918299319965204520>
Oh sorry my brain doesn't work
No yeah visage form any armor works
proper crystal
pulsar minnow
my bad my brain is mush right now I've decided that today is the day I finally start using bartender and change ALL my keybinds 😅
pulsar minnow
Yeah... I'm gonna need it lol
proper crystal
I asked bc helms and shoes arent working in the dressing room right now--and obviously it's a WIP, plus I know for a fact shoes work for visage form in-game, but one can never be sure what's not showing up bc glitch/NYI and whats not showing up on purpose 👀
it's a shame there isn't a more turquoise or cyan hair highlight color, but I digress
pulsar minnow
Yeah all 3D assets dont seem to be working on Visage forms right now, really wish I could see the DF Warmode Mail on them but that entire set is composed of 3d bits and bobs
proper crystal
ah i see, I know 3d shirt sleeves don't work on the dressing room in general and the waist of time belt is showing up just fine on the visage, but the 3D boots i was trying to put on weren't working
dense plover
yeah theres some bugs - its in testing mode
proper crystal
yeah theres some bugs - its in testing mode
makes sense! I figured as much
tropic trail
glad niche
Owl.. no. Pepe!
uncut vault
harsh mason
I was thinking so, we were told that at the end of the storyline of the last location, we will be given a hint of the final boss
Maybe it will be Raszageth
upper pasture
I think when defeating Raszageth we will find out the true threat seeing as they are the final 10.0 boss
harsh mason
I know that, I'm just guessing
Raszageth is very closely related to dracthyr. Most likely Neltharion used her to create them)
She already definitely appears in 3 locations in the course of the plot
upper pasture
But if we defeat her in 10.0 how can she be the true threat?
harsh mason
But if we defeat her in 10.0 how can she be the true threat?
What makes you think we're going to beat her? And there are 3 more sealed incarnations in her arena. If she releases them (and she will release them), then we will not be able to defeat her there
upper pasture
Idk because I’m betting our true enemies will be the infinite. And because that’s usually what happens in raids is we beat the bosses sometimes they escape sometimes we fight their underlings and not them. There’s a chance she lives and becomes an raid boss in 10.1/.2/.3 but I don’t think she’s the big bad of DF
If she was going to be the big bad I feel like blizzard would have told us that too since her information is already out and they said “by the end of the storyline you’ll know who the big bad is” and we clearly already know who she is so
plain violet
I do wonder what will be the future of Dracthyrs, for sure, considering they slowly regain their memories and talents.
rain cave
I wonder if alextrasza will die
the infinite dragon in the uldaman revamp says there will only be one aspect, and nozdormu will become murozond
if alextrasza dies he'll be the only "original" aspect
since kalecgos is just a standin
not the actual blue aspect
upper pasture
if he becomes Murozond he isn't the aspect anymore
rain cave
why not
upper pasture
so i'd be alex is the only one who will be a true aspect when he falls at the end of 10.0
crystal pond
He still will be aspect
upper pasture
no shit
rain cave
he wouldn't lose any special time powers just because his mind changes
upper pasture
i'd bet when using his powers to save himself and alter the timeline to become Murozond he will lose a major chunk of his powers
hence why he wouldn't be an aspect anymore
rain cave
they already technically aren't aspects then
crystal pond
Neltharion was still the black aspect when he became deathwing
upper pasture
hmm...
crystal pond
They probably will get powers back and then murozond will happen
Because murozond is crazy af
By mind and time power
upper pasture
we've had a few dragons die already so i don't think we will be seeing a lot more of it
chilly horizon
whats this channel about?
upper pasture
there's other ways to progress a story than killing off characters
rain cave
well yeah but considering they are literally saying "there will be one aspect, and X will happen"
and there are
2 aspects...
upper pasture
and a fallen aspect can lose their powers so it's literally like a 50/50 shot of either happening
crystal pond
Alextrasza must die, so we will get aspect death combo
Or they need to reincarnate someone (Ysera and Malygos/Neltharion)
crystal pond
murozond is a strong boy
Died to 5 ppl
rain cave
Died to 5 ppl
I mean I'd argue no
because we also had the help from a fully aspect powered nozdormu
upper pasture
clearly the aspects get powers back because right now nozdormu is just normal
rain cave
and the hourglass
if you count the times we reset it's more like we threw 20-30 people at murozond
a full raidboss
and we had help
crystal pond
I hope muro will get a raid
rain cave
alternatively
"golden one claims a vacant throne" switch
golden one nozdormu
vacant throne aspect status
or
alexstrasza dying
crystal pond
Its turalyon, no?
rain cave
and her role as monarch
crystal pond
"the crown of light will bring only darkness"
rain cave
yeah a seperate whisper
crystal pond
Its turalyon
crystal pond
yeah a seperate whisper
It was going together no?
proper palm
Maybe Anduin ?
rain cave
you could argue the bronze dragon flight are light empowered
because time magic of their variety is VERY close to lights theming and design
proper palm
"the crown of light will bring only darkness"
µ
upper pasture
or here me out
rain cave
it's golden, focuses on maintaining a single timeline
dense plover
you could argue the bronze dragon flight are light empowered
no
upper pasture
blizzard "forgets" about those whispers
rain cave
whereas the infinite are confirmed to be void
and all about multiple timelines
and possibiities
proper palm
blizzard "forgets" about those whispers
It wouldn't surprise me
rain cave
amanthul is time guy, there's another titan specifically for arcane magic
glad niche
I don't think the infinite are void. Iirc the infinite are yet another misguided attempt to protect creation from "the indescribable awful stuff beyond comprehension"
and the void was tied into said ubber bad wasnt it
crystal pond
because time magic of their variety is VERY close to lights theming and design
Its both void and light thing
Void can see million of possibilitis (english yes)
Bronze dragons can do too
rain cave
Its both void and light thing
Void can see million of possibilitis (english yes...
I know but if you read what I said it says time magic of their (bronze) variety
time magic can be done by multiple types of magic
arcane included
but we can also see it's very similar to light and void
glad niche
Im misremembering what the uber bad was then, cause the whole old gods are also a "stop the worst stuff" arent they? just like, the WORST option
rain cave
which is my point
infinite are tied to the old gods
and their time magic is all about infinite possibilities
like the voids doctrine
crystal pond
blizzard "forgets" about those whispers
Of course they do
Or better
Gonna retcon it never happen kappa
rain cave
whereas the bronze are all about maintaining a single "true" narrative
which is what the light wants
upper pasture
i mean most bad guys think they are stopping a worse cause just because they think their views are better
dense plover
infinite are not those bad guys
theyre literally working to free the void
they literally are insane
crystal pond
Yeah
rain cave
in current lore: nozdormu gets tricked by the old gods into shattering the timeways
dense plover
a dragon becomes infinite when its intended death is prevented
theyre supposed to be dead
rain cave
that's why they're all cracked right?
they're like animated corpses out of time because they shouldn't be alive
crystal pond
It was sayed that murozond was corrupted by old gods
And now i understand how it can happen
We have black empire timeline yall
rain cave
no we don't
harsh mason
i'd bet when using his powers to save himself and alter the timeline to become M...
He's not an aspect already, they lost all their strength after the cataclysm. I'll say more, they can't have offspring either. That's why they protect the eggs so much
upper pasture
He's not an aspect already, they lost all their strength after the cataclysm. I'...
yes i'm aware
rain cave
and it is most likely a new torghast/visions/deaths of chromie scenario type thing
which to me implies it might not be very lore important
crystal pond
Nozdormu or someone can bring the corruption from the past and opsie will happen
harsh mason
But according to Chrono-Lord Deimos, he will become a new aspect, but already under the name Murozond
rain cave
Nozdormu or someone can bring the corruption from the past and opsie will happen
that ain't how it works
crystal pond
that ain't how it works
Blizzard can do this work kappa
rain cave
if they bring corruption/void shit from the past it's just old gods gul'dan plot then
they most likely won't tie things into alternate universe/timetravel so heavily like they did with WoD
crystal pond
But actually it can work
Nozdormu get dragon soul from the past so why the heck not?
rain cave
no
harsh mason
Nozdormu or someone can bring the corruption from the past and opsie will happen
He can't interfere with the timelines. But Chrono-Lord Deimos can
crystal pond
Yeah old gods defeated but void isnt
Void lord still exist ya know
harsh mason
By the way, we do not know from what time he arrived in Uldaman
dense plover
we got dragon soul from the past
we put it back
dense plover
By the way, we do not know from what time he arrived in Uldaman
no
crystal pond
and put it back
Yeah impowered it 3 times
Shoted deathwing 3 times and killed him
rain cave
Yeah impowered it 3 times
Shoted deathwing 3 times and killed him
shot him twice i thought?
one was a glancing shot that weakened him
crystal pond
3
rain cave
and the 2nd killed him after he crashed into maelstrom
crystal pond
First at blight
Second in sky
And final that killed him
rain cave
?
crystal pond
We shoted at him 3 times
rain cave
he got shot in the sky at dragonblight
harsh mason
It was sayed that murozond was corrupted by old gods
And now i understand how it...
What difference does it make how he was corrupted? The reasons may vary, just the result will be the same.
rain cave
and then another time to kill him
he fell out of the sky because we were literally on his back breaking his plates and he fell apart
he was injured as well
crystal pond
First at blight
Second in the sky on this flying boat
And then in maelstrom
harsh mason
His dragonflight is on the verge of extinction, have you thought about it?
rain cave
First at blight
Second in the sky on this flying boat
And then in maelstrom
I don't remember the boat one
it's spine of deathwing
we literally rip him apart on his back
that's why he falls
harsh mason
And just after Deathwing's death, after all the time interference
upper pasture
yeah i'm pretty sure we hit him again before spine fight
crystal pond
that's why he falls
Then we shoted at him
Look to cinematic
upper pasture
or atleast took another shot at him
deep pawn
You get two cutscenes. First after you kill the vertical dragon, that grazed him
Second after the boat fight which opened the spot on the back
Then finally thrall lands a hit that makes him crash
rain cave
ok yeah you're right
3 shots
so wtf is the point of spine fight
when it literally doesn't do anything
😭
upper pasture
we rip off his armor?
rain cave
his armour didn't stop it
it's a fucking god power laser beam
that ripped straight through his metal
upper pasture
¯_(ツ)_/¯
harsh mason
in current lore: nozdormu gets tricked by the old gods into shattering the timew...
But that was before Deathwing died. Now the reasons for his corruption may be different
deep pawn
Thrall didn't have energy to constantly take pot shots so we opened him up to make him nice and tender.
harsh mason
For example, the extinction of his dragonflight after Deathwing's death
glad niche
We slowed him down enough via ouchies for thralls awful aim to hit em
crystal pond
Imagine if dragon soul will be human deathwing form and then deathwing dragon form
But blizzard just give us green jesus memes
rain cave
I mean I feel like if they're going to corrupt nozdormu it will be because of void reasons
because that's the prophecy
crystal pond
I mean I feel like if they're going to corrupt nozdormu it will be because of v...
Yeah it must be
Cause void is still around
WE STILL HAVE TWILIGHT DRAGON
Maybe twilights will play role in it
harsh mason
I mean I feel like if they're going to corrupt nozdormu it will be because of v...
The essence of prophecies is that they predict the end result, but the reasons may be different. The end result is the transformation of Nozdormu into Murozond and the destruction of timelines
Nozdormu himself does not know how this will happen
rain cave
well yeah
I never specified
what would happen
I'm speculating on what might happen
harsh mason
He can become like this because of the infinity dragons, for example. Since they are already striving to do this
deep pawn
We have a dragon expansion and the last hanging dragon plot even is Nozdormu falling
rain cave
into shattering the timeways
we don't know how
and it can even be revealed after the fact it was the old gods
like if somehow alexstrasza dies
and he goes mad tries to undo it all
crystal pond
Rafaam will be play role 100%
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ends up shattering the timeways
deep pawn
They can tie in chromie even that her being around is what let's us succeed and thus why they tried to kill her.
crystal pond
I juat forgot ablut this guy
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and then it's revealed the old gods and void were behind alex's death
my bet is that the belf girl
the one that grew up from BC
she might play a part in alexstrasza's death
and it could be revealed she's been whispered to this entire time by the void
deep pawn
You think they will kill off the last two original aspects in one expansion?
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well it's a new chapter
why not
bring in some new blood
we already have ysera's replacement
and I'd argue nozdormu's too
kalecgos is replacing malygos
deep pawn
Do the reds even have a back up successor?
crystal pond
Mura will not die in this expac
He died in cata
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Mura will not die in this expac
He died in cata
mans infinite bruv
deep pawn
Technically murazond is already dead in our personal timeline
deep pawn
But let's river song this sucker
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Do the reds even have a back up successor?
don't think so
harsh mason
I mean I feel like if they're going to corrupt nozdormu it will be because of v...
This will be the fault of Xal'atath, 100%
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but alex has her consort I believe
harsh mason
Mura will not die in this expac
He died in cata
But Nozdormu is not
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that's true xalatath yet has a role to paly
harsh mason
So it doesn't change anything
Eh, I feel that Alexstrasza and Nozdormu will die, thereby there will be no more original aspects
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she did say a new age of dragons in the trailer
and the primalists are directly in counter to the aspects
she's a direct target
also there's definetly something under tyrs hold
that the giant light rock is holding back
or something
deep pawn
If Chromie was the only one capable of taking over successfully she could keep enough bronze's from becoming infinite that we win in the end.
She does seem to have the most control over time outside of Nozdormu himself
It would also be perfectly satisfying to fight him after he shatters time and weaken him that he escapes to the end time where we kill him
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I'm all for chromie supremacy
Nozdormu ingame just feels like he's a doomer centrist
Gigachad chromie just goes and meets her future self and figures out how she dies to stop it and not go infinite
Whereas noz is like "woe is me guess I'm fucked"
crystal pond
Imagine if chromie will die in this expac
dense plover
Imagine if chromie will die in this expac <:dracthyr_a1:1002363110658682990>
that would suck
killing off an npc that the entire community loves would be a mistake
that is a bad idea
glad niche
that but also chromie time
im left to currently understand, the chromie handling that is current timeline chromie
so if current chromie died... ?
Also chromie is the second best bronze and wibble wobbling the tie streams (second to Nozdormu)
So for nozdormus eventual downfall, someone would have to be the new leader
tender cypress
glad niche
idk those names, i just know from the bits ive read off wowpedia and such that chromie is apparently the second best at time manipulation magic
dense plover
chromie would not be in charge
she isnt anywhere near the leader of the flight
anachronos and soridormi definitely make more sense
livid walrus
Soridormi might die. Might not. She has new npc id in DF. But she also was part in karioz hourglass vision where she is killed.
glad niche
hmmm
ionic terrace
she has three new ids, two of which are wearing armor
i linked it a few days ago
livid walrus
She wears waiste of time.
crystal pond
Waste of time
ionic terrace
yes I did get a chuckle out of that, peach said others do too
Eternos (from Oculus) also has a DF id
austere gazelle
Imagine if chromie will die in this expac <:dracthyr_a1:1002363110658682990>
Deaths of Chromie did not happened yet. And we don't know who was behind it, but we ultimately save her
deep pawn
Was attempted and beaten. The key aspect of it was the attempt to kill her at multiple points of time all at once.
So in many ways it has happened
glad niche
new drake got chunky face
uncut vault
Neltharion was still the black aspect when he became deathwing
he wasn't, actually
that's what allowed them to empower thrall
being an aspect is as much about fulfilling the duty of an aspect as it is the power
plain violet
I hope the cinematics will show old Netlharion as he was before.